[FairfieldLife] Re: Smoke on the Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Hmmm, even God can miss now and then -- I suggest you spend the rest of your life looking over your shoulder. He's sure to try again. My job is to not get between you two. You know you've created God in your own image when He hates the same people you do. - Gordon Charrick Somehow I feel relieved after reading Edg's comment. Even if there were a God (I'm pretty sure there is not), and even if that God were so petty as to have it in for me personally, He/She/It would never be able to hit with any of His/Her/Its thunderbolts or planetfart clouds because I'm always being shadowed by my stalkers like Edg and...uh...others. The shit would hit those fans instead, not me. I just knew they were good for something... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Animation of ash cloud over Europe from Iceland's volcano: http://www2.dmu.dk/atmosphericenvironment/Vulkansky/dreameu_ani.gif Notice in this animation the one country not covered by the cloud. Some have suggested that this is because of the powerful Woo Woo emanating from Sitges. But I think it's because Penelope Cruz was seen sunbathing nude near here recently and no god in his right mind is going to let clouds force *her* to cover up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gas Pump Blues
I think an appropriate deeper, probing question might be along the lines of What has being 'the center of the universe' ever done for anyone except yourself? There *might* be some interesting answers to this. If there are, *that* might interest those who care about other human beings in the concept of everyday enlight- enment. If it's just feelgood stories, as tartbrain has said more eloquently than I before, I don't see these stories appealing to anyone who isn't Only in it for the self. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: I think all of that is good. However, as stated, I have not found it very interesting, yet. I have not listened as extensively as you, and there may be great gems that I missed. However, others seem to be having the same problem as I -- in maintaining interest. Perhaps these may be raw feeds that need a bit of editing -- with the whole left for those that want full access. And as I have suggested in several posts, some deeper probing, while considerate and sensitive to the fact that these are very personal stories, would be useful. For example, a Curtis type (Curtis, you are an archetype already!) examining the statements in an epistimological framework would be fascinating, IMO. And, bold claims, such as I experienced being the center of the universe deserve a bit more follow-up -- not just Gee that s great. Perhaps you can share the segments, experiences, ideas from the tapes that you found most interesting. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: For more than two weeks I have repeatedly and closely listened to the BATGAP episodes via iTunes downloads via a portable iPod. The BATGAP episodes are a fascinating record of the personal histories and subjective perspectives of persons who have courage to publicly discuss permanently established positive shifts in awareness. Here-to-fore, an individual's declaration of a permanent shift in awareness called into question the validity of the experience. Rick Archer and the BATGAP interviewees promote egalitarian principles of experience and expression of higher states of awareness. BATGAP is a vehicle for positive cultural advancement by diminishing the influence of exploitive individuals and hierarchical institutions that for control purposes employ excessively exclusive principles of experience and expression by default and discourage members' advancement. -Mainstream --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: And the yahoo group -- I read a 20 or so posts. The posters are way into their heads -- it would appear from their posts. Dry expositions. While a small sample, i don't see the energy, vibrancy, life surging from their words. Hard to strike gold twice. FFL with all it's problems has some good edg (edge) and gets into some interesting discussions. But I think you've pretty well nailed this Buddha at the Gas Pump. And those interviews-I've only listened to the Foster's piece, but there wasn't much there to make me want to push on. Then again, I don't have time to do a lot of speculative exploring.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Smoke on the Water
I should point out that this is the third gratuitous, unprovoked Get Barry post of the week *so far* from THE CORRECTOR. I consider the issue of whether she is stalking me for no other reason than because she's obsessed by me closed, and proven. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Animation of ash cloud over Europe from Iceland's volcano: http://www2.dmu.dk/atmosphericenvironment/Vulkansky/dreameu_ani.gif Notice in this animation the one country not covered by the cloud. Some have suggested that this is because of the powerful Woo Woo emanating from Sitges. But I think it's because Penelope Cruz was seen sunbathing nude near here recently and no god in his right mind is going to let clouds force *her* to cover up. (How would clouds force her to cover up? Don't you mean to let clouds cover her up?) FWIW, as scary as it looks in the animations and on radar, the cloud is virtually invisible from the ground over Europe; it's very high up, and the particles are too tiny and too widely dispersed to be seen as a cloud--but they're still a serious threat to aircraft. (And they may well result in some spectacular sunsets.) This has been an advisory from: --THE CORRECTOR--
[FairfieldLife] Re: Father Len Dubi: How TM enriches my religious life
Bernie's site was a huge validation to me when I found it. It was the only site that came up when I googled anti-cult cults. It may sound exaggerated, but I felt ...well... traumatized, when the shit hit the fan with the anti-Way crowd. I again found myself not knowing who to trust, including myself. It was...bizarre to me. Since then I see it wasn't bizarre, but rather very human. And a result of many dynamics. I think that will be made clearer (at least for me) as I continue to chronicle the events via memoir. I didn't meet Bernie until a few months ago, online. And only briefly. It was a pleasure to exchange a bit of dialog. I don't know if you know that he has a blog now, http://anotherlookatscientology2.blogspot.com/ though he apparently barely keeps up with it anymore. I read the dialog posts of yours over on Bernie's site. I think maybe ya'll were ahead of your time? ;-) I may be wrong, but it seems to me that cult-critics are moving more toward moderate ground in that they are recognizing more of the idea expressed in the questions I previously linked from Diekman's site. I've lately thought of the word usage of anti-cult, in regard to myself. I am anti-cult in the sense of endeavoring to be pro-autonomy/pro-interdependence/pro-human/pro-creativity. Hmmm, writing that out like that. Well, I recognize those four aspects as attributes that were squelched within my self, were silenced, were part of that soul murder and soul suicide. That said, it wasn't total murder or suicide because I feel I'm rediscovering my self again (and parts for the first time). Perhaps it was more of a soul paralysis or soul coma. I use soul in the sense of the self. And then some of the discovery/rediscovery can be mixed in with age and mid-life and lord knows what else. Oh well, more rambling. Yah, I write a lot. I quite literally journaled my way out The Way. I began the delve onto paper around 1998 and officially left The Way in latter 2005. I have at least 16 journals I wrote through that time. I write using some Gregg shorthand; therefore, my 16+ journals hold more words due to the shorthand. I might have an extra journal in there if it were all long hand. Ha! ;-D I wrote a lot of poetry my first year or so out of The Way. Then last year I discovered memoir and am now doing that, until I stop. So Judy, why do you call yourself author's friend? If you don't mind me asking. Thanks again! Rambling on,~carol*** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: Tough cookie. Ha. Not sure about that, but I am putting on weight, becoming a larger cookie. ;-) I don't know how far you read the narrative and if you read about my dad. He was (and still is in memory), one tough cookie. After his wreck and subsequent quadriplegia, he continued to live (13 years) as fully as one can. I have a few stories on my blog about that. Even as type this I shake my head at how he faced that part of his life. And my mom too, as she was his main caretaker. I did read about that. Amazing. Bless 'em both. snip I agree with you that folks can become life time TB in a field and still maintain enough autonomy to be who they are and be happy. Those of us who succumb(ed) to the soul murder that totalistic groups can exact, do so for various reasons. Still the group holds some (much?) of the responsibility for that. Unquestionably. The group ought to do whatever it can to ensure that members *don't* create cultlike relationships with it. The TMO doesn't, unfortunately. It is something I continue to ponder on varying levels. When I first began to experience the cult-like behaviour of the anti-Way folks, I googled anti-cult cults and found the following link. Another Look at Scientology http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/site.htm Oh, yeah, Bernie. Good guy. More than a decade ago, a discussion on alt.religion.scientology about anticult groups was crossposted to alt.meditation.transcendental (maybe by Bernie, I don't remember, but he participated), where I was hanging out at the time. If you go to his home page, click on his Third Way section, and look under Moderate Participants and then Moderate Critics, you'll see a link to some posts of mine he's reproduced from that discussion. He and I had something of a mutual admiration society going. I've had no contact with him since, but I was glad to see just now that he's kept the site relatively current. It's really well done. After that, over the following couple years, I made all sorts of connections which led to all sorts of conversations (3-D and 2-D) and some books, of course. I was quite naive in regard to group dynamics, so it's been a learning process. Hopefully I've learned something! :-D You sound like you've learned more than most! I like the question posted on Arthur Diekman's site
[FairfieldLife] Re: Look on the bright side.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: This is what the sudden removal of the thousands of large jets circling over the towns of southern England is like. I can sit in my garden and without realizing what it is that's missing I can hear what bird song actually sounds like, there is a deep silence that seem to go on forever. The NY Times's The Lede blog had a poignant video someone made in Garden Valley in the U.K.--dunno where that is-- Somewhere in Sussex apparently, nice part of the world, close to the south coast. Seems like everyone is noticing this silence, I sat and watched a cricket match on the village green yesterday it was like travelling back in time to a much better age, you could hear the birds in the woods from fields away. It really is striking. I'd love to think it's the start of a social movement that tries to reclaim the skies for the sake of our sanity but, realistically, the summer holidays will start soon and it'll be business as usual. And then work will start on the new high speed railway that will run right past our cricket pitch with trains every 15 mins going to Birmingham at 250mph (why?) You can't stop progess. of a blackbird singing at dawn, something he apparently never normally hears uninterrupted because of the jets flying over: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wytoOvrVCQ I grew up in New York City and was totally inured to the constant sound of airplanes. Where I am now on the Jersey Shore, there's maybe one a week or so that comes over, and it always feels like a big intrusion. So I can sympathize.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Report (or, When the Fans Hit the Sheet)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: snip The most recent findings I know of are that the face is identical to one of Leonardo's drawings that he made of a cadaver he was studying in one of his pursuits of understanding how the body really worked. Facial recognition software apparently matches them perfectly. Also the head is too small for the body and the picture is bigger at the front than the back, meaning that when the exposure was made (it really appears to be a photograph) they did the front and back seperately and got the wrong distance from the camera obscura in one of them. The most obvious error to me is that it looks like a photo and not like the image would if it had been draped over some- ones head. That would've stretched it and he'd end up looking like an alien - which might start a whole new conspiracy! I saw these guys do a lecture on it that became a docmentary that I can't find a link to: http://www.picknettprince.com/books/turinshroud/turin.htm Fascinating. They say the Shroud image is a perfect match with a Leonardo painting of Christ, Salvator Mundi (minus the moustache and beard). They have links to two very impressive .wmv videos; the first juxtaposes the painting with the Shroud image, the second juxtaposes the Leonardo painting to another painting somebody else made from a negative image of the Shroud. Worth a look. Turin Shroud to Salvator Mundi: http://www.picknettprince.com/books/turinshroud/Shroud%20to%20Salvator%20quick%20version.wmv http://tinyurl.com/y4tsza5 Aggemian's Shroud Portrait to Salvator Mundi: http://www.picknettprince.com/books/turinshroud/Shroud%2002%20-%20aggemian%20shroud%20portrait%20to%20salvator%20mundi.wmv http://tinyurl.com/y5pcz5t I think these were the ones they showed there lecture, they had only just worked it out and were rather excited. Don't blame them. They are very convincing and have left the ball in the court of the believers to disprove them. I think it will run and run at least until it gets handed over to science so they can do a better job of testing it than they did last time. Hard to see how the similarity between the Shroud image and the paintings could be explained otherwise. Maybe scientific evidence dating the Shroud isn't even required. No amount of evidence will convince a believer to the contrary as, erm, someone said. But definitively dating it to Leonardo's day would really be something, if only because it would push the date of the first photograph back by a few hundred years! Whatever the truth of it is I still think it's a beautiful thing. Very eerie, I'd love to see it in it's religious home, if only there wasn't a bloody volcano erupting I'd get a cheap flight over there
[FairfieldLife] Re: Volcanic ash keeps flights across Europe grounded.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: I'm hoping mount Eyjafjallajokull (will we ever learn how to pronounce that) My wild guess: ~ ey-yah-fyal-lah-yir [for 'jö'] -cool :D That's at least how that'd approx. be pronounced in Swedish... According to yesterdays Observer it's: AYA-feeyapla-yurkul. Which doesn't exactly roll off the tongue and isn't anywhere near as memorable as Krakatoa, Tambora or Vesuvius. Our new boy is nowhere near as destructive either (so far) he'll have to turn up the heat a bit to enter the volcano hall of fame.
[FairfieldLife] My experience with Trivedi
Out of curiosity, I went to last night's event with Mahendra Kumar Trivedi. He speaks English, but his accent is so thick that it was excruciatingly fatiguing for me to follow along with what he was saying. So, I pretty much tuned him out and sat there for two hours, bored out of my mind. When it came time to do the blessing, where he does his ooga-booga energy transmission, we had to sign a release form. It would have been nice if they'd mentioned that in the flyer, because I would have brought my reading glasses and a pen. So, on top of boredom, I was now annoyed. I borrowed a pen and went right up to one of the bright little floor lights and did my best to read the form and sign it. He then tells us to take off our shoes and socks and instructs us to pray to god, as we understand him/her/it, with our desire while he does his energy transmission. And, I'm yet again going WTF? All those seeds, plants and animals you supposedly performed magic on didn't have to pray in order for your woo-woo to work, so why do we? My upbringing was atheist, and unbounded ineffable transcendence is the closest I get to having anything resembling an understanding of god, and it's certainly not something I would pray to. So, I sat there and put my attention on my neck, which has been bothering me for a couple years. This morning, my neck is unchanged. Needless to say, I'm not the least bit inspired to fork over $300 for an individualized blessing because the only thing that would be blessed is his bank account. At least part of the $15 I did pay to see him goes to the civic center, which is struggling financially.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Look on the bright side.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13 meowthirteen@ wrote: Cities promote monkey mind. Little itty bitty towns have peace and bliss that promotes serenity. My opinion. Oh yea. This is definitely the case. How one raises kids etc. has nothing to do with it. Itty bitty towns are just magical, idyllic, paradise - almost entirely devoid of problems. (?) I've been holding my tongue lately, trying not to Bash The Blissninnies too much, so I'm happy to see that I'm not the only person here aware of the Bliss- ninnynessitude. My first reaction at seeing and browsing through the book that Dick Mays touted here last night: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/invited/762052/9b1419ba5b183eccd85c71ef13b14e78 was that for $29.95 ($39.95 for hardback) for a 40-page book, the authors should have included a free gift, your choice of either a bong or a barf bag. I know that I would have required one or both to get through the whole book.
[FairfieldLife] New MMY book: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay
Maharishi fans will be happy to hear a new book on the once popular mountebank is about to be released. Planned release, Spring 2010 http://www.robesofsilkfeetofclay.com/ This new book is the true story of a love affair with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the Indian Guru made famous by the Beatles, Donovan, Mia Farrow, Deepak Chopra and David Lynch. Maharishi was very successful in spreading his technique of Transcendental Meditation around the world. But rumours that he was not the celibate monk he claimed to be have been circulating for decades. In this book Judith Bourque describes the love affair she experienced with Maharishi when she went to India as a young woman to become a teacher of Transcendental Meditation. Once you have read it, the choice to believe the rumours or not will still be yours, but you will be better informed. The book is planned for release sometime during the spring of 2010
[FairfieldLife] Extramarital sex fuels earthquakes......
.warns Iranian cleric. A SENIOR Iranian cleric has claimed that dolled-up women incite extramarital sex, causing more earthquakes in Iran, a country that straddles several fault lines, newspapers reported today. Many women who dress inappropriately ... cause youths to go astray, taint their chastity and incite extramarital sex in society, which increases earthquakes, Ayatollah Kazem Sedighi told worshippers at overnight prayers in Tehran. Calamities are the result of people's deeds, he was quoted as saying by reformist Aftab-e Yazd newspaper. We have no way but conform to Islam to ward off dangers. The Islamic dress code is mandatory in Iran, which has been under clerical rule for more than three decades. Every post-pubescent woman regardless of her religion or nationality must cover her hair and bodily contours in public. Offenders face punishment and fine. But this has not stopped urban women from appearing in the streets wearing tight coats and flimsy headscarves and layers of skilfully applied makeup. Iran is prone to frequent quakes, many of which have been devastating. The worst in recent times hit the southern city of Bam in December 2003, killing 31,000 people - about a quarter of the population - and destroying its ancient mud-built citadel. From: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/extramarital-sex-fuels-ea\ rthquakes-warns-iran-cleric/story-e6frf7jx-1225854907773 http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/extramarital-sex-fuels-e\ arthquakes-warns-iran-cleric/story-e6frf7jx-1225854907773
[FairfieldLife] Planes V volcano
The European aviation industry emits 344,109 tons of CO2 per day. Eyjafjallajokull emits about 15,000 tons of CO2 a day. The 60% flight ban in Eurpoe has thus saved 206,465 tons every day. Which, from a battling global warming perspective, is an amazing amount to be thankful for. From: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2010/apr/19/iceland-volcano-ash-planes-europe
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
Gaia, dude. Can't get much clearer than that. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodle...@... wrote: The European aviation industry emits 344,109 tons of CO2 per day. Eyjafjallajokull emits about 15,000 tons of CO2 a day. The 60% flight ban in Eurpoe has thus saved 206,465 tons every day. Which, from a battling global warming perspective, is an amazing amount to be thankful for. From: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2010/apr/19/iceland-volcano-ash-planes-europe
[FairfieldLife] Political slogan FAIL
Given recent stories about Goldman Sachs and its leaders' inappropriate and possibly illegal behavior: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/19/business/19goldman.html?hp and even more outrageous stories of it paying out 5 *billion* dollars in pay and bonuses to its employees for three months' work: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/18/goldman-sachs-bonuses-ban_n_542006.html I think that the oft-tossed-around buzzphrase Too big to fail followed by a period as if were actually true needs to be changed to TOO BIG TO JAIL, followed by a question mark. I think that the only fitting karma for bankers who have considered the fast-growing prison-building industry as a safe and stable investment is for them to spend some time taking advantage of it.
[FairfieldLife] Hey, you Old Codgers
Home Lobsters may hold paralysis cure Sun, Apr 18 12:00 PM London, Apr 18 (ANI): A new treatment based on the shells of sea creatures like lobsters may offer fresh hope to paralyzed and brain-damaged patients. US researchers have found that a simple sugar found in crustacean shells appears to be able to cure damaged spinal chords, reports The Daily Express. Professor Richard Borgens, director of the Centre for Paralysis Research in Indiana, which is pioneering the new treatment, said: This is the most exciting development for spinal cord and brain injury since Second World War. I am very excited. Using chemicals to repair the damaged nervous system is a completely new way to treat people with these terrible injuries. It's amazing one of these special chemicals would turn out to be a sugar. In the treatment, the sugar, mixed with sterile water, is injected into the bloodstream and then migrates to the spinal cord injury where it plugs holes in the coating of the nerve cells. Borgens added: Science has moved in a new direction. Previously we have been looking at drugs which would potentially reduce damage. Now we are looking at complete repair. The treatment, successfully used in guinea pigs, will also work in human trials, says the expert. The spinal cord of a guinea pig is very similar to that of a human - it is just smaller, he said. This is not like a drug which may work in some species and not in others. This is a mechanical effect. The sugar molecules migrate to the nerve injury target and repair the injured area, not the undamaged area. The discovery, published in The Journal of Experimental Biology, was made by Youngman Cho, a chemist in his team. (AN)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Political slogan FAIL
In India there is a Cap on the bonuses for the board of directors. It cannot be more than 10% percent of the total profits made that year. Is there any percentage Cap or Ceiling in the US.? --- On Mon, 4/19/10, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Political slogan FAIL Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 6:00 AM Given recent stories about Goldman Sachs and its leaders' inappropriate and possibly illegal behavior: http://www.nytimes. com/2010/ 04/19/business/ 19goldman. html?hp and even more outrageous stories of it paying out 5 *billion* dollars in pay and bonuses to its employees for three months' work: http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ 2010/04/18/ goldman-sachs- bonuses-ban_ n_542006. html I think that the oft-tossed-around buzzphrase Too big to fail followed by a period as if were actually true needs to be changed to TOO BIG TO JAIL, followed by a question mark. I think that the only fitting karma for bankers who have considered the fast-growing prison-building industry as a safe and stable investment is for them to spend some time taking advantage of it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Volcanic Ash Cloud Turns Out to Be Finale of Lost
An Egyptian stele or obelisk is a funery monument, not a phallic symbol... Bhairitu: Not phallic? That's right, the Egyptian Obelisks were not built as a means to increase agricultural fertility. Sometimes an obelisk is just an obelisk. The obelisk symbolized the sun god Ra, and during the brief religious reformation of Akhenaten was said to be a petrified ray of the Aten, the sundisk. It was also thought that the god existed within the structure... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obelisk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Smoke on the Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: I should point out that this is the third gratuitous, unprovoked Get Barry post of the week *so far* from THE CORRECTOR. Guess what? Barry's lying. So far this week, I have made: --One post Sunday morning *in response to* an attack from Barry, so neither gratuitous nor unprovoked. --One post Sunday afternoon in response to Tartbrain's comments on that post that amounted to a couple of mild quips referring back to Barry's attack, so again neither gratuitous nor unprovoked. --The one Barry quotes here, which is obviously only minimally Get Barry, twitting him about a miswritten phrase, and then providing some info to counter a *general* misimpression about the volcano cloud, the main reason for my post, which had virtually nothing to do with Barry. So only one post, not three, that could even *vaguely* be counted as gratuitously Get Barry. The attack of Barry's that I was responding to in the first post made this prediction: Watch closely over the next week, and note how many times she feels it necessary to fire off a Get Barry post. Then do the same with me with regard to mentions of her. He made that post Friday afternoon. It was the last of a series of *five* posts from him viciously and gratuitously attacking me that began on Thursday. I consider the issue of whether she is stalking me for no other reason than because she's obsessed by me closed, and proven. So much for Barry's ability to consider, close, and prove what he claimed and predicted. He can only do it by lying, and even then he has to drastically shorten the original period his prediction covered, from a week to two days (not to mention the five gratuitous and unprovoked attacks of his in the two days before that). Then there's his indirect reference to me as a stalker this morning in a post responding to Edg. In fact, so far this week, the score on the gratuitous and unprovoked side of the ledger is *two-for-one Barry*. And that's only if he considers himself gotten by my tiny dig about his miswritten phrase. I suspect what's going on here is that Barry knew he'd never make it to the end of the week without a bunch of unprovoked attacks on me, so he had to end his prediction week prematurely. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Animation of ash cloud over Europe from Iceland's volcano: http://www2.dmu.dk/atmosphericenvironment/Vulkansky/dreameu_ani.gif Notice in this animation the one country not covered by the cloud. Some have suggested that this is because of the powerful Woo Woo emanating from Sitges. But I think it's because Penelope Cruz was seen sunbathing nude near here recently and no god in his right mind is going to let clouds force *her* to cover up. (How would clouds force her to cover up? Don't you mean to let clouds cover her up?) FWIW, as scary as it looks in the animations and on radar, the cloud is virtually invisible from the ground over Europe; it's very high up, and the particles are too tiny and too widely dispersed to be seen as a cloud--but they're still a serious threat to aircraft. (And they may well result in some spectacular sunsets.) This has been an advisory from: --THE CORRECTOR--
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: Thanks for the detailed report, I enjoyed that. Out of curiosity, I went to last night's event with Mahendra Kumar Trivedi. He speaks English, but his accent is so thick that it was excruciatingly fatiguing for me to follow along with what he was saying. So, I pretty much tuned him out and sat there for two hours, bored out of my mind. When it came time to do the blessing, where he does his ooga-booga energy transmission, we had to sign a release form. It would have been nice if they'd mentioned that in the flyer, because I would have brought my reading glasses and a pen. So, on top of boredom, I was now annoyed. I borrowed a pen and went right up to one of the bright little floor lights and did my best to read the form and sign it. He then tells us to take off our shoes and socks and instructs us to pray to god, as we understand him/her/it, with our desire while he does his energy transmission. And, I'm yet again going WTF? All those seeds, plants and animals you supposedly performed magic on didn't have to pray in order for your woo-woo to work, so why do we? My upbringing was atheist, and unbounded ineffable transcendence is the closest I get to having anything resembling an understanding of god, and it's certainly not something I would pray to. So, I sat there and put my attention on my neck, which has been bothering me for a couple years. This morning, my neck is unchanged. Needless to say, I'm not the least bit inspired to fork over $300 for an individualized blessing because the only thing that would be blessed is his bank account. At least part of the $15 I did pay to see him goes to the civic center, which is struggling financially.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obscene crucifix shocks parishioners.
FairfieldLife/message/246005 Curtis: The erotic art of South Indian temples... The Khajuraho images are not based on the 'Kama Sutra' or on the 'Tantras'. None of the images depict tantric imagery. The images are simply depictions of erotic art from the Gupta Age in India. The Khajuraho temples do not contain sexual or erotic art inside the temple or near the deities, therefore they are not considered to be Tantric icons. The carvings indicate that instead of being Tantric, simply indicate that for the visitor, they must leave their sexual desires outside the temple doors.
[FairfieldLife] Don't-miss volcano photos
Three shots in the NYTimes today, taken at night, that are the most spectacular, amazing volcano photos I've ever seen (look at them full-screen if you can): http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/18/photographing-icelands-fiery-vo\ lcano/?themc=th http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/18/photographing-icelands-fiery-v\ olcano/?themc=th http://tinyurl.com/yyh5gup http://tinyurl.com/yyh5gup The photographer, an Icelander, is quoted as saying: Standing in front of it at night is magnificent because you can really see the lightning that is at the center of the eruption. It's incredibly exciting. The adrenaline flows and I was shouting `wow look at that' over and over. I've never seen something like this before. Another spectacular photo, a daytime shot taken by an Icelandic farmer: See it in a larger size here: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/gallery/2010/04/grounded-giant-volcanic\ -ash-clouds-cancel-flights-across-europe.php?img=4 http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/gallery/2010/04/grounded-giant-volcani\ c-ash-clouds-cancel-flights-across-europe.php?img=4 http://tinyurl.com/yyshvwy http://tinyurl.com/yyshvwy
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: snip He then tells us to take off our shoes and socks and instructs us to pray to god, as we understand him/her/it, with our desire while he does his energy transmission. And, I'm yet again going WTF? All those seeds, plants and animals you supposedly performed magic on didn't have to pray in order for your woo-woo to work, so why do we? Humans are more complicated? Lots more mental stuff going on? Might inadvertently create some resistance? My upbringing was atheist, and unbounded ineffable transcendence is the closest I get to having anything resembling an understanding of god, and it's certainly not something I would pray to. Why not do TM, or whatever gets you to the transcendent? Or pray to the divine aspect of yourself? If this dude does anything, I should think, it's to somehow mobilize one's self-healing abilities. The trick would be to get out of the way of whatever aspect of one's self does the healing. Animals and plants don't have anything to get *in* the way. Just guessing... So, I sat there and put my attention on my neck, which has been bothering me for a couple years. This morning, my neck is unchanged. Needless to say, I'm not the least bit inspired to fork over $300 for an individualized blessing because the only thing that would be blessed is his bank account. At least part of the $15 I did pay to see him goes to the civic center, which is struggling financially.
[FairfieldLife] Global Cooling unlikely
Home Iceland volcano ash unlikely to cool planet, says Australian climatologist Mon, Apr 19 12:55 PM Melbourne, April 19 (ANI): An Australian climatologist has said that the volcanic ash cloud that exploded from an Icelandic volcano is unlikely to have an impact on global temperatures. The volcano, which is located under the Eyjafjallajokull glacier, had erupted on April 15, producing a 10-kilometre high plume of ash and rock that extended across most of northern Europe. And while the particles may have a short-term effect on the local temperature, experts believe that it will not have the same impact as the Pinatubo eruption did two decades earlier. In June 1991, Mount Pinatubo, an active volcano in the Philippines, launched ten cubic kilometres of material into the atmosphere. Particles from the eruption entered the Earth's stratosphere resulting in a 10 percent reduction in sunlight reaching the Earth's surface, and a 0.40C drop in global average temperatures. Dr Blair Trewin of the National Climate Centre in Melbourne says, in its current form the ash cloud is unlikely to have the same impact on global temperatures. For a volcano to have a significant global cooling effect it has to get its ash up into the stratosphere, ABC Science quoted him as saying. If it doesn't, the ash will get rained out fairly quickly, he said. But he said that even if the particles managed to reach the stratosphere, the location of the volcano will mean the ash will likely stay in the northern hemisphere. Once you're in the stratosphere the winds tend to flow out from the equator to the poles, Trewin said. So if you get a big eruption in the tropics the winds in the stratosphere will tend to spread out material over the whole globe. Whereas if it happens in the polar regions the stuff tends to get stuck - it doesn't spread up to lower latitudes, he stated. Trewin says the volcanic ash cloud may have an impact locally. When Mount St Helens erupted in 1980 it had no significant global impacts, but in the days immediately after the eruption you had cooling of daylight temperatures by 100C or more in some parts of the northwestern United States, he revealed. Dr Jeff Masters, Director of Meteorology at Weather Underground says the eruption isn't expected to have a significant impact on weather patterns in the northern hemisphere. However, the ash could bring spectacular sunsets to Europe over the next week, and to North America by sometime next week, as the jet stream wraps the ash cloud eastwards across the northern hemisphere, he added. (ANI)
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Thanks for the detailed report, I enjoyed that. I wonder if writing that report brought on some bad juju, because about 45 minutes ago, I heard Bilitis, my favorite kitty, howling in distress. She was breathing hard and drooling, so I went over to talk to Petra about it. When I returned, Bilitis was dead. http://alex.natel.net/kitties/bilitis2.jpg Rest in Peace, Billie. Out of curiosity, I went to last night's event with Mahendra Kumar Trivedi. He speaks English, but his accent is so thick that it was excruciatingly fatiguing for me to follow along with what he was saying. So, I pretty much tuned him out and sat there for two hours, bored out of my mind. When it came time to do the blessing, where he does his ooga-booga energy transmission, we had to sign a release form. It would have been nice if they'd mentioned that in the flyer, because I would have brought my reading glasses and a pen. So, on top of boredom, I was now annoyed. I borrowed a pen and went right up to one of the bright little floor lights and did my best to read the form and sign it. He then tells us to take off our shoes and socks and instructs us to pray to god, as we understand him/her/it, with our desire while he does his energy transmission. And, I'm yet again going WTF? All those seeds, plants and animals you supposedly performed magic on didn't have to pray in order for your woo-woo to work, so why do we? My upbringing was atheist, and unbounded ineffable transcendence is the closest I get to having anything resembling an understanding of god, and it's certainly not something I would pray to. So, I sat there and put my attention on my neck, which has been bothering me for a couple years. This morning, my neck is unchanged. Needless to say, I'm not the least bit inspired to fork over $300 for an individualized blessing because the only thing that would be blessed is his bank account. At least part of the $15 I did pay to see him goes to the civic center, which is struggling financially.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
Im sorry to hear about your cat. You only created good juju by taking a chance on your time and frustration and sharing your feelings with others and thank-you for that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Thanks for the detailed report, I enjoyed that. I wonder if writing that report brought on some bad juju, because about 45 minutes ago, I heard Bilitis, my favorite kitty, howling in distress. She was breathing hard and drooling, so I went over to talk to Petra about it. When I returned, Bilitis was dead. http://alex.natel.net/kitties/bilitis2.jpg Rest in Peace, Billie. Out of curiosity, I went to last night's event with Mahendra Kumar Trivedi. He speaks English, but his accent is so thick that it was excruciatingly fatiguing for me to follow along with what he was saying. So, I pretty much tuned him out and sat there for two hours, bored out of my mind. When it came time to do the blessing, where he does his ooga-booga energy transmission, we had to sign a release form. It would have been nice if they'd mentioned that in the flyer, because I would have brought my reading glasses and a pen. So, on top of boredom, I was now annoyed. I borrowed a pen and went right up to one of the bright little floor lights and did my best to read the form and sign it. He then tells us to take off our shoes and socks and instructs us to pray to god, as we understand him/her/it, with our desire while he does his energy transmission. And, I'm yet again going WTF? All those seeds, plants and animals you supposedly performed magic on didn't have to pray in order for your woo-woo to work, so why do we? My upbringing was atheist, and unbounded ineffable transcendence is the closest I get to having anything resembling an understanding of god, and it's certainly not something I would pray to. So, I sat there and put my attention on my neck, which has been bothering me for a couple years. This morning, my neck is unchanged. Needless to say, I'm not the least bit inspired to fork over $300 for an individualized blessing because the only thing that would be blessed is his bank account. At least part of the $15 I did pay to see him goes to the civic center, which is struggling financially.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: So sorry for your loss Alex. Glad you included the picture, what a beautiful kittie. I lost my 17 year old Abyssinian over Christmas so I understand. These little creatures become a part of our hearts. I'm sure you gave her a fantastic life. Our minds hate randomness and love to create connections. The only connection I see here is that you made one little creature's life great till the end. We should all be so lucky. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Thanks for the detailed report, I enjoyed that. I wonder if writing that report brought on some bad juju, because about 45 minutes ago, I heard Bilitis, my favorite kitty, howling in distress. She was breathing hard and drooling, so I went over to talk to Petra about it. When I returned, Bilitis was dead. http://alex.natel.net/kitties/bilitis2.jpg Rest in Peace, Billie. Out of curiosity, I went to last night's event with Mahendra Kumar Trivedi. He speaks English, but his accent is so thick that it was excruciatingly fatiguing for me to follow along with what he was saying. So, I pretty much tuned him out and sat there for two hours, bored out of my mind. When it came time to do the blessing, where he does his ooga-booga energy transmission, we had to sign a release form. It would have been nice if they'd mentioned that in the flyer, because I would have brought my reading glasses and a pen. So, on top of boredom, I was now annoyed. I borrowed a pen and went right up to one of the bright little floor lights and did my best to read the form and sign it. He then tells us to take off our shoes and socks and instructs us to pray to god, as we understand him/her/it, with our desire while he does his energy transmission. And, I'm yet again going WTF? All those seeds, plants and animals you supposedly performed magic on didn't have to pray in order for your woo-woo to work, so why do we? My upbringing was atheist, and unbounded ineffable transcendence is the closest I get to having anything resembling an understanding of god, and it's certainly not something I would pray to. So, I sat there and put my attention on my neck, which has been bothering me for a couple years. This morning, my neck is unchanged. Needless to say, I'm not the least bit inspired to fork over $300 for an individualized blessing because the only thing that would be blessed is his bank account. At least part of the $15 I did pay to see him goes to the civic center, which is struggling financially.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Smoke on the Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I should point out that this is the third gratuitous, unprovoked Get Barry post of the week *so far* from THE CORRECTOR. Guess what? Barry's lying. And ? Devoid of experiences he does what all aging armchair mystics do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: snip http://alex.natel.net/kitties/bilitis2.jpg Rest in Peace, Billie. Oh, Alex, so sorry. What a loss. Obviously a kitty with charm and personality, as well as stunning looks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Thanks for the detailed report, I enjoyed that. Me, too. I specifically liked the Sit there praying as hard as you possibly can for something to happen part. *No wonder* people report feeling something at his sessions. :-) This is such obvious pre-programming of expectations that only an idiot would try to defend it as being anything else, or as even *possibly* being anything else. Does it have to be anything else? Maybe 'pre-programming' of expectations can trigger the body's self-healing response.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote: Im sorry to hear about your cat. You only created good juju by taking a chance on your time and frustration and sharing your feelings with others and thank-you for that. Also so sorry to hear about your cat. That sucks. I wouldn't worry too much about juju, though. In the three hours since you made your post, at least 18,294 human beings around the world have died. I don't think you had any more to do with their deaths than you did Bilitis'. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Thanks for the detailed report, I enjoyed that. I wonder if writing that report brought on some bad juju, because about 45 minutes ago, I heard Bilitis, my favorite kitty, howling in distress. She was breathing hard and drooling, so I went over to talk to Petra about it. When I returned, Bilitis was dead. http://alex.natel.net/kitties/bilitis2.jpg Rest in Peace, Billie. Out of curiosity, I went to last night's event with Mahendra Kumar Trivedi. He speaks English, but his accent is so thick that it was excruciatingly fatiguing for me to follow along with what he was saying. So, I pretty much tuned him out and sat there for two hours, bored out of my mind. When it came time to do the blessing, where he does his ooga-booga energy transmission, we had to sign a release form. It would have been nice if they'd mentioned that in the flyer, because I would have brought my reading glasses and a pen. So, on top of boredom, I was now annoyed. I borrowed a pen and went right up to one of the bright little floor lights and did my best to read the form and sign it. He then tells us to take off our shoes and socks and instructs us to pray to god, as we understand him/her/it, with our desire while he does his energy transmission. And, I'm yet again going WTF? All those seeds, plants and animals you supposedly performed magic on didn't have to pray in order for your woo-woo to work, so why do we? My upbringing was atheist, and unbounded ineffable transcendence is the closest I get to having anything resembling an understanding of god, and it's certainly not something I would pray to. So, I sat there and put my attention on my neck, which has been bothering me for a couple years. This morning, my neck is unchanged. Needless to say, I'm not the least bit inspired to fork over $300 for an individualized blessing because the only thing that would be blessed is his bank account. At least part of the $15 I did pay to see him goes to the civic center, which is struggling financially.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Smoke on the Water
Have you ever considered that you might be having Hyper-Libidinous disorder.?? Conversely, celibate Yogis might be having Hypo-Libidinous disorder.?? They say that Issac Newton was Hypo-Libidinous. --- On Sun, 4/18/10, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Smoke on the Water Date: Sunday, April 18, 2010, 3:16 PM Notice in this animation the one country not covered by the cloud. Some have suggested that this is because of the powerful Woo Woo emanating from Sitges. But I think it's because Penelope Cruz was seen sunbathing nude near here recently and no god in his right mind is going to let clouds force *her* to cover up. --- do.rflex do.rf...@.. . wrote: Animation of ash cloud over Europe from Iceland's volcano: http://www2. dmu.dk/atmospher icenvironment/ Vulkansky/ dreameu_ani. gif
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: snip I wonder if writing that report brought on some bad juju Of course it didn't. From your description, it sounds as if she may have had a heart attack. Happens very suddenly with cats, and it's almost always quickly fatal. Very tough on you, but minimal suffering for her, and nothing you could have done.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obscene crucifix shocks parishioners.
Tart: Is there a religious worship of other similar phallics? A big huge fat long doobie for instance? (If great sex and great doobies don't bring you closer to god, what will?) Maybe so, but a 'crucifix', strictly speaking, must be three dimensional. So, a painting is not considered to be a crucifix by symbologists. The 'cross' is one of the most ancient human symbols, probably originating sometime during the Stone Age. The cross symbol appears in South Asian inscriptions, in Persian and in Celtic inscriptions. In the Far East, the cross symbolizes the 'Tree of Life'. The myth of the Sacred Tree in Genesis and the Great Flood myth mentioned in the Epic of Gilgamesh could be versions of two of the most basic myths known to history. Read more: Subject: Ficus Religiousus Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: January 27, 2002 http://tinyurl.com/y7xzlmq
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: Humans are more complicated? Lots more mental stuff going on? Might inadvertently create some resistance? My upbringing was atheist, and unbounded ineffable transcendence is the closest I get to having anything resembling an understanding of god, and it's certainly not something I would pray to. Why not do TM, or whatever gets you to the transcendent? Or pray to the divine aspect of yourself? If this dude does anything, I should think, it's to somehow mobilize one's self-healing abilities. The trick would be to get out of the way of whatever aspect of one's self does the healing. Animals and plants don't have anything to get *in* the way. Just guessing... Yep. Actually, Mr. Trivedi also said that in the course of the evening.
[FairfieldLife] Mystical Placebos (Re: Shroud of Turin Report (or, When the Fans Hit the Sheet)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: To me, its a fascinating illustration of projection manifesting -- a sort of mystical placebo effect. If one believes a relic or symbol (or for that matter practice, posture or pranayam -- or hug, darshan, or saintly attention, or wafer/wine, incense and flowers, murtis and icons, herbs and incantations) is blessed and real, then regardless of its actual status, it can create the expected effect for the individual. Turquoise's Barry's brother saw white light -- perhaps a poetic description o his feeling -- perhaps actual white light shone for him. Yet given the the below discussion, it would appear the dose is not the real thing, but rather a mystical placebo. I can relate. I have taken mundane objects and santified them in my mind -- and used a focus for appreciating nature and the universe -- and I walk away with a cleansed, uplifted, expanded state. Of course maybe my mundane object starting point was not mundane at all -- but holy and sacred as everything. Perhaps the entire universe and all of its contents is holy and sacred and worthy of respect and reverance. Each step is on holy land, each heart a sacred heart. Even if that is a placebo, it is a grand and magnificent one. Or perhaps, reflecting recent posts, there actually is that intense self-referral Love bending back into itself, self sufficient and blazing at the core of everything -- loving each particle of creation far more intensely than we might love back. Then reverence and appreciation of the sacred is not placebo, but a gateway to appreciating reality -- and a process that invokes a real response from the universe -- or that piece of it However, if the part is in the whole and the whole is in the part, this holographic type structure would imply reverence for the part brings a response -- blessings in mystical terms, from the Whole. And reverence for the Whole may bring concentrated blessings to a singular part in our gaze or vicinity. An odd but intriguing side thought: What if each of is an icon used for worship by others in he cosmos. Devas, cells, existence itself. Fits into the intense love the universe has for you -- idea / placebo / fantasy / delusion. And that by pour blessings on you in their offerings and santification of the idol He-Bajrangi-Bali-Hanuman http://ishare.rediff.com/video/Devotional/He-Bajrangi-Bali-Hanuman/10071\ 269 http://ishare.rediff.com/video/Devotional/He-Bajrangi-Bali-Hanuman/1007\ 1269http://tinyurl.com/y26kwr7 http://tinyurl.com/y26kwr7God Birthday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYrA_uodlPYfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYrA_uodlPYfeature=related http://tinyurl.com/y4e93dj http://tinyurl.com/y4e93dj -- they purify and enliven we -- the stone murtis -- upon which they put their loving attention. We of stone become walk, talking enlivened divinity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhNzE9VTxFEfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhNzE9VTxFEfeature=related http://tinyurl.com/y63z6ef http://tinyurl.com/y63z6ef http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSn5alb-Iv8feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSn5alb-Iv8feature=related http://tinyurl.com/y2tzf7n I suppose this genre could be termed Spiritual Fiction -- akin to Science Fiction. The latter has its value in pondering progress and technological change, ethics and all. SpiFi i guess could also have similar value -- in exploring mystic theses, gut feelings, intuitions and simply speculation about the underlying realities of life and the cosmos. The counter part to trekkie conventions -- hmmm maybe -- Burning Man with shades of Fuiggi and Amma-thons. (And of course a dash of he latter years' Dead Head concerts.) Then again it may be as delusional and temporary as a coke-head believing they are king of the world -- their momentary state being so grand. But I say, if one is going to be deluded, do it in a vast and magnificent way. Go for the gold. Let the universe be a blazing inferno of self-referral intense Love, where the part is the Whole and the Whole is the part. do not mind the kind of earthly mockery above BEAUTIFUL WRITTEN Its not a crazy as thinking a larger granite counter top in ones kitchen will actually bring sustained happiness. (Though per my thesis, the granite counter top could be the placebo that opens up the blazing love of the universe to Ashley an Biff in the upscale gated-community.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: snip The most recent findings I know of are that the face is identical to one of Leonardo's drawings that he made of a cadaver he was studying in one of his pursuits of understanding how the body really worked. Facial recognition software apparently
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Report (or, When the Fans Hit the Sheet)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodle...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: snip The most recent findings I know of are that the face is identical to one of Leonardo's drawings that he made of a cadaver he was studying in one of his pursuits of understanding how the body really worked. Facial recognition software apparently matches them perfectly. Also the head is too small for the body and the picture is bigger at the front than the back, meaning that when the exposure was made (it really appears to be a photograph) they did the front and back seperately and got the wrong distance from the camera obscura in one of them. The most obvious error to me is that it looks like a photo and not like the image would if it had been draped over some- ones head. That would've stretched it and he'd end up looking like an alien - which might start a whole new conspiracy! I saw these guys do a lecture on it that became a docmentary that I can't find a link to: http://www.picknettprince.com/books/turinshroud/turin.htm Fascinating. They say the Shroud image is a perfect match with a Leonardo painting of Christ, Salvator Mundi (minus the moustache and beard). They have links to two very impressive .wmv videos; the first juxtaposes the painting with the Shroud image, the second juxtaposes the Leonardo painting to another painting somebody else made from a negative image of the Shroud. Worth a look. Turin Shroud to Salvator Mundi: http://www.picknettprince.com/books/turinshroud/Shroud%20to%20Salvator%20quick%20version.wmv http://tinyurl.com/y4tsza5 Aggemian's Shroud Portrait to Salvator Mundi: http://www.picknettprince.com/books/turinshroud/Shroud%2002%20-%20aggemian%20shroud%20portrait%20to%20salvator%20mundi.wmv http://tinyurl.com/y5pcz5t I think these were the ones they showed there lecture, they had only just worked it out and were rather excited. Don't blame them. They are very convincing and have left the ball in the court of the believers to disprove them. I think it will run and run at least until it gets handed over to science so they can do a better job of testing it than they did last time. Hard to see how the similarity between the Shroud image and the paintings could be explained otherwise. Maybe scientific evidence dating the Shroud isn't even required. No amount of evidence will convince a believer to the contrary as, erm, someone said. But definitively dating it to Leonardo's day would really be something, if only because it would push the date of the first photograph back by a few hundred years! The camera obscura had been around since a few centuries B.C.E., actually. Did Leonardo take a photograph by putting on the Shround a layer of a substance that changed color when hit by light, or did he just use the projected Salvator Mundi image as an aid to paint it on the Shroud? No idea of the details here... Whatever the truth of it is I still think it's a beautiful thing. Very eerie, I'd love to see it in it's religious home, if only there wasn't a bloody volcano erupting I'd get a cheap flight over there I'd travel a ways to see it, not sure I'd go as far as Europe. Very evocative, in any case.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
Out of curiosity, I went to last night's event with Mahendra Kumar Trivedi. He speaks English, but his accent is so thick that it was excruciatingly fatiguing for me to follow along with what he was saying. So, I pretty much tuned him out and sat there for two hours, bored out of my mind. t. At least part of the $15 I did pay to see him goes to the civic center, which is struggling financially. I went last nite too. The woo-woo was a nice shaktipat. Yep, the talk part was a lot thick. But he is sticking to his guns in what he has to say. This is modern spirituality he is unfurling stripped of folklore mythology. Like Yogananda and Maharishi in mission and ministry before him in sequence bringing science in to it. Mr. Trivedi's a very powerful emitter and healer in his way, like Christ was. I found the shaktipat balancing and florescent of the chakras systems. Was clearing or energizing of the energetics of the subtle systems housing one's soul in the anatomy. Obviously created more visceral spaciousness within the subtle energetics of the body-mind complex. He is really good. Was an ultimately spiritual healing that way in addition to some aches and pains leaving. A pretty capable shaktipat. Pretty reasonable for $15 per person in a group. In watching the show, is exciting to see him get going in the secular modern spirituality expression. Jai Adi Shankara, -Buck in Fairfield
[FairfieldLife] MMY Quote
From a friend: Avidyayā mṛityuṁ tīrtvā vidyayā amṛitam aśhnute Through Avidyā, ignorance, you cross beyond mortality, beyond death, beyond change; through Vidyā, knowledge, you taste immortality. Īshā Upanishad 11 The Self is always the Self; it is never non-Self; but somehow it became identified with the body and with the whole objective field of life. So the ‘I’ got mixed up with ‘mine’; and when the ‘I’ awakens fully to its own original identity, then is the taste of immortality. The practice is just for this—to awaken to one’s own immortal reality. And practice means we go beyond that which we have been identified all the time—we transcend that, and transcend, and transcend, and transcend With time the taste of transcendental consciousness begins to be a little more lasting, more lasting, more lasting, and gradually the long identification with the boundaries of the body and the surroundings begins to dissolve. Those impressions begin to melt. So this practice, or Sādhanā, is just for the sake of transcending change. Through change you transcend change. That is why it says, through ignorance you cross beyond the field of change—through ignorance. Because enlightenment is the reality; ignorance is a mirage. You have the glasses on the eyes, but you are searching—where are the glasses? You are the Self, but you are searching—where is the Self, where is the Self? So the whole search is a kind of fraud, which is just Avidyā. The reality is eternity, immortality; so you taste immortality by virtue of being immortality. But to be immortal, you have first to cross beyond the boundaries of change. Through change you transcend change; through knowledge, that awakening, you taste immortality. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 6 December 1964, History of Thirty Years around the World, p.574.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Volcanic Ash Cloud Turns Out to Be Finale of Lost
WillyTex wrote: An Egyptian stele or obelisk is a funery monument, not a phallic symbol... Bhairitu: Not phallic? That's right, the Egyptian Obelisks were not built as a means to increase agricultural fertility. Sometimes an obelisk is just an obelisk. The obelisk symbolized the sun god Ra, and during the brief religious reformation of Akhenaten was said to be a petrified ray of the Aten, the sundisk. It was also thought that the god existed within the structure... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obelisk Slave, do you believe everything the Pharaoh tells you?
Re: [FairfieldLife] My experience with Trivedi
Alex Stanley wrote: Out of curiosity, I went to last night's event with Mahendra Kumar Trivedi. He speaks English, but his accent is so thick that it was excruciatingly fatiguing for me to follow along with what he was saying. So, I pretty much tuned him out and sat there for two hours, bored out of my mind. When it came time to do the blessing, where he does his ooga-booga energy transmission, we had to sign a release form. It would have been nice if they'd mentioned that in the flyer, because I would have brought my reading glasses and a pen. So, on top of boredom, I was now annoyed. I borrowed a pen and went right up to one of the bright little floor lights and did my best to read the form and sign it. He then tells us to take off our shoes and socks and instructs us to pray to god, as we understand him/her/it, with our desire while he does his energy transmission. And, I'm yet again going WTF? All those seeds, plants and animals you supposedly performed magic on didn't have to pray in order for your woo-woo to work, so why do we? My upbringing was atheist, and unbounded ineffable transcendence is the closest I get to having anything resembling an understanding of god, and it's certainly not something I would pray to. So, I sat there and put my attention on my neck, which has been bothering me for a couple years. This morning, my neck is unchanged. Needless to say, I'm not the least bit inspired to fork over $300 for an individualized blessing because the only thing that would be blessed is his bank account. At least part of the $15 I did pay to see him goes to the civic center, which is struggling financially. Probably the main reason Maharishi was so successful was because he DID NOT have a thick accent and westerners were able to understand him. I've been telling my tantra teacher for years to go take an accent reduction course. Living in Silicon Valley there are plenty of those offered and for a reasonable price. Since most people taking these courses already know English it is usually about practicing some simple drills and eliminating some of the regional quirks in pronunciation. Some of the drills are even available online. My teacher tends to drop vowels leaving one listening to a string of consonants. Sounds like he is Americans as if they are Indians. Even in Fairfield there would be a tremendous cultural gap. That's another mistake would-be gurus from India frequently make.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote: snip I went last nite too. The woo-woo was a nice shaktipat. Yep, the talk part was a lot thick. But he is sticking to his guns in what he has to say. This is modern spirituality he is unfurling stripped of folklore mythology. Cool, can't wait to hear some examples. Like Yogananda and Maharishi in mission and ministry before him in sequence bringing science in to it. That sounds very sciency, I'll look forward to some evidence for this claim. Otherwise I might think magic was the agent being invoked. Mr. Trivedi's a very powerful emitter and healer in his way, like Christ was. OOh dear, that isn't helping support the claim, but I'm sure this is just some rapport gaining warm up. I found the shaktipat balancing MMM sounds kind of folkloreish to me. and florescent of the chakras systems. Is that the chakras from Indian folklore you are talking about? Was clearing or energizing of the energetics of the subtle systems housing one's soul in the anatomy. You wouldn't be referring the the subtle bodies found in Indian folklore would you? But I'm sure energizing the energetics is lots of fun. Obviously created more visceral spaciousness within the subtle energetics of the body-mind complex. Obviously. And who wouldn't want or need some more visceral spaciousness within the energetics of their body-mind complex? (Has your body mind complex gone condo yet cuz even though there would be monthly fee the pool wouldn't end up looking like a science experiment.) He is really good. Was an ultimately spiritual healing that way in addition to some aches and pains leaving. Nice touch on the generalized specifics at the end. It almost made is sound as if more happened than a nice little excursion into your imagination. A pretty capable shaktipat. Pretty reasonable for $15 per person in a group. No doubt you are a connoisseur. I suspect you are on every spiritual mailing list headed up by the title:easy mark. In watching the show, is exciting to see him get going in the secular modern spirituality expression. Here is why you get both barrels of snark from me Doug. You went to a spiritual healer and had a good time. If that is how you presented it I wouldn't even bother you with a reply. But you had to step into the flim-flamery zone with the science claims and that makes you an accessory to fraud. He has neither scientific proofs nor has he demonstrated a genuine understanding of science on his site. He is using pseudo science as marketing. It is one thing to claim to be magical, it is another to claim that the methods of science lend credibility to the magical claims. That for me is over the line and shifts my suspicions from guy getting rich from his own wacky beliefs about himself and his special abilities to this is a conscious fraud. And you who have a freak'n college education have no excuse attempting to present this as scientific. You are just being mentally lazy and not paying attention to the simplest fundamentals of the principles educated people use to distinguish fact from fantasy. Jai Adi Shankara, -Buck in Fairfield That kind of sums up what I am getting at.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
Gaia is really pissed now as Breaking News on MSNBC has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable name Hekla, has begun erupting. If this is the one they are were worried on then all bets are off. TurquoiseB wrote: Gaia, dude. Can't get much clearer than that. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodle...@... wrote: The European aviation industry emits 344,109 tons of CO2 per day. Eyjafjallajokull emits about 15,000 tons of CO2 a day. The 60% flight ban in Eurpoe has thus saved 206,465 tons every day. Which, from a battling global warming perspective, is an amazing amount to be thankful for. From: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2010/apr/19/iceland-volcano-ash-planes-europe
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Sounds like he is Americans as if they are Indians. Even in Fairfield there would be a tremendous cultural gap. That's another mistake would-be gurus from India frequently make. I think the accent thing is a help since we are much more adept at noticing gaps in logic when our conscious mind is not hung up on figuring out what is being said. While most of use could spot a televangelist routine in our own language, we give a foreign person a lot more leeway and most people don't like to appear culturally insensitive by challenging a foreign born speaker. So much of Maharishi's personal pettiness was just written off as part of his inscrutable Indianness. In some street cons the person purposely speaks too rapidly to follow until the person's eyes glaze over and they are given a direct command which due to brain overload they sometimes follow without reflection. So much of Maharishi's speech patterns were designed to overwhelm our mind's ability to analyze what he was saying. And if that didn't work he just wore us down with hours of speaking on abstract topics. There is an old saw from Neuro-Linguistic Programming that if you have been listening to someone for 5 minutes and you still haven't heard anything that you could put in a wheelbarrow, you are being hypnotized. State change language is not meant to inform, it is mean to shift you out of your conscious mind's usual organization. Depending on your beliefs in the person doing this shifting you would either consider this a good or a bad thing. But one thing for sure, your ability to apply the rules of reason gets impaired. Alex Stanley wrote: Out of curiosity, I went to last night's event with Mahendra Kumar Trivedi. He speaks English, but his accent is so thick that it was excruciatingly fatiguing for me to follow along with what he was saying. So, I pretty much tuned him out and sat there for two hours, bored out of my mind. When it came time to do the blessing, where he does his ooga-booga energy transmission, we had to sign a release form. It would have been nice if they'd mentioned that in the flyer, because I would have brought my reading glasses and a pen. So, on top of boredom, I was now annoyed. I borrowed a pen and went right up to one of the bright little floor lights and did my best to read the form and sign it. He then tells us to take off our shoes and socks and instructs us to pray to god, as we understand him/her/it, with our desire while he does his energy transmission. And, I'm yet again going WTF? All those seeds, plants and animals you supposedly performed magic on didn't have to pray in order for your woo-woo to work, so why do we? My upbringing was atheist, and unbounded ineffable transcendence is the closest I get to having anything resembling an understanding of god, and it's certainly not something I would pray to. So, I sat there and put my attention on my neck, which has been bothering me for a couple years. This morning, my neck is unchanged. Needless to say, I'm not the least bit inspired to fork over $300 for an individualized blessing because the only thing that would be blessed is his bank account. At least part of the $15 I did pay to see him goes to the civic center, which is struggling financially. Probably the main reason Maharishi was so successful was because he DID NOT have a thick accent and westerners were able to understand him. I've been telling my tantra teacher for years to go take an accent reduction course. Living in Silicon Valley there are plenty of those offered and for a reasonable price. Since most people taking these courses already know English it is usually about practicing some simple drills and eliminating some of the regional quirks in pronunciation. Some of the drills are even available online. My teacher tends to drop vowels leaving one listening to a string of consonants. Sounds like he is Americans as if they are Indians. Even in Fairfield there would be a tremendous cultural gap. That's another mistake would-be gurus from India frequently make.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just what America needs
hairitu: ...the worldview for dummies. So, you're a HuffPo reader - I thought so.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: snip He then tells us to take off our shoes and socks and instructs us to pray to god, as we understand him/her/it, with our desire while he does his energy transmission. And, I'm yet again going WTF? All those seeds, plants and animals you supposedly performed magic on didn't have to pray in order for your woo-woo to work, so why do we? Humans are more complicated? Lots more mental stuff going on? Might inadvertently create some resistance? Trivedi specifically addressed resistance as being the reason why some people need more than one blessing to achieve results. My upbringing was atheist, and unbounded ineffable transcendence is the closest I get to having anything resembling an understanding of god, and it's certainly not something I would pray to. Why not do TM, or whatever gets you to the transcendent? Or pray to the divine aspect of yourself? If this dude does anything, I should think, it's to somehow mobilize one's self-healing abilities. The trick would be to get out of the way of whatever aspect of one's self does the healing. Animals and plants don't have anything to get *in* the way. Just guessing... I'll just chalk this up as yet another case of me being out of step with the prevailing paradigms, because I feel like his instruction basically summoned my resistance.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
Man, you have a point. I hated his lectures. It was full of shit. However, I loved to listen to Nader, Hagelin, Dilbeck etc etc. --- On Mon, 4/19/10, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 9:52 AM I think the accent thing is a help since we are much more adept at noticing gaps in logic when our conscious mind is not hung up on figuring out what is being said. While most of use could spot a televangelist routine in our own language, we give a foreign person a lot more leeway and most people don't like to appear culturally insensitive by challenging a foreign born speaker. So much of Maharishi's personal pettiness was just written off as part of his inscrutable Indianness. In some street cons the person purposely speaks too rapidly to follow until the person's eyes glaze over and they are given a direct command which due to brain overload they sometimes follow without reflection. So much of Maharishi's speech patterns were designed to overwhelm our mind's ability to analyze what he was saying. And if that didn't work he just wore us down with hours of speaking on abstract topics. There is an old saw from Neuro-Linguistic Programming that if you have been listening to someone for 5 minutes and you still haven't heard anything that you could put in a wheelbarrow, you are being hypnotized. State change language is not meant to inform, it is mean to shift you out of your conscious mind's usual organization. Depending on your beliefs in the person doing this shifting you would either consider this a good or a bad thing. But one thing for sure, your ability to apply the rules of reason gets impaired.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: snip So much of Maharishi's speech patterns were designed to overwhelm our mind's ability to analyze what he was saying. And your scientific evidence that MMY deliberately designed his speech patterns to prevent you from analyzing what he was saying? There is an old saw from Neuro-Linguistic Programming that if you have been listening to someone for 5 minutes and you still haven't heard anything that you could put in a wheelbarrow, you are being hypnotized. Gee, that sounds really scientific there.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
Curtis: And who wouldn't want or need some more visceral spaciousness within the energetics of their body-mind complex... Doesn't that imply that there is a 'mind' with 'space' and an 'energy' inside it, and that these two entities are separated? These are metaphysical terms, not scientific terms. Is there any scientific proof that there is a human body-mind complex in the first place? We all have metaphysical beliefs, whether we want to admit it or not - you are a case in point. The 'singing bard' is probably one of the oldest types of spiritual teacher on the planet! How is your 'singing the blues' to an audience that different from an Indian fakir singing a bhajan to his God?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv.is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1395588323904ref=mf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Gaia is really pissed now as Breaking News on MSNBC has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable name Hekla, has begun erupting. If this is the one they are were worried on then all bets are off.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip So much of Maharishi's speech patterns were designed to overwhelm our mind's ability to analyze what he was saying. And your scientific evidence that MMY deliberately designed his speech patterns to prevent you from analyzing what he was saying? Science is what Doug was claiming, and that I was challenging. I make no claims that my analysis is scientific, it is a opinion from the body of work done by Bandler and Grinder analysing speech patterns of Milton Erickson and other state change experts. I am certified as a practitioner of NLP (FWIW) so that is the basis of my opinion. You also added the word deliberately which I would not do. Maharishi was probably just using the same techniques of language used on him. One of the things I liked about NLP was that it gave a framework to understand language patterns that people use naturally through trial and error. It is not claiming that every person using language that defies the conscious mind to keep track of the details is conscious of the techniques they are employing. But after sitting in a room for hours and hours of tapes for what added up to over 2 years of my life, enduring endless repetition of the same phrases, I'm pretty sure Maharishi was not very interested in my conscious mind in his communications. YMMV I am not even endorsing all the claims of NLP which get pretty far-fetched but I believe their language work was excellent and some of it has trickled down to mainstream psychology. There is an old saw from Neuro-Linguistic Programming that if you have been listening to someone for 5 minutes and you still haven't heard anything that you could put in a wheelbarrow, you are being hypnotized. Gee, that sounds really scientific there.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Curtis: And who wouldn't want or need some more visceral spaciousness within the energetics of their body-mind complex... Doesn't that imply that there is a 'mind' with 'space' and an 'energy' inside it, and that these two entities are separated? These are metaphysical terms, not scientific terms. You are addressing this to the wrong person Richard I was goofing on what he wrote. Those are his terms not mine. Is there any scientific proof that there is a human body-mind complex in the first place? We all have metaphysical beliefs, whether we want to admit it or not - you are a case in point. Do you understand that Doug and I are different people? The 'singing bard' is probably one of the oldest types of spiritual teacher on the planet! I would not consider myself or any blues performer I have ever heard to be a spiritual teacher. If the subject of the blues even addresses spiritual topics as Son House does in Preach'n blues, it is in mockery of people who claim to know things that they could not. Perhaps you are thinking of gospel which is the exact opposite of the devil's music I perform. How is your 'singing the blues' to an audience that different from an Indian fakir singing a bhajan to his God? I'm sure on some levels they are very similar. But in this particular case the better comparison would be me singing my music to myself with no one there which is also actually the case for the Bhajan singer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip So much of Maharishi's speech patterns were designed to overwhelm our mind's ability to analyze what he was saying. And your scientific evidence that MMY deliberately designed his speech patterns to prevent you from analyzing what he was saying? Science is what Doug was claiming, and that I was challenging. I make no claims that my analysis is scientific, it is a opinion from the body of work done by Bandler and Grinder analysing speech patterns of Milton Erickson and other state change experts. I am certified as a practitioner of NLP (FWIW) so that is the basis of my opinion. OK, so it's just your opinion, then. Thank you for clarifying. You also added the word deliberately which I would not do. Perhaps the word designed wasn't quite right, then, because that implies intention. But thank you for clarifying. Maharishi was probably just using the same techniques of language used on him. One of the things I liked about NLP was that it gave a framework to understand language patterns that people use naturally through trial and error. It is not claiming that every person using language that defies the conscious mind to keep track of the details is conscious of the techniques they are employing. But after sitting in a room for hours and hours of tapes for what added up to over 2 years of my life, enduring endless repetition of the same phrases, I'm pretty sure Maharishi was not very interested in my conscious mind in his communications. YMMV Interesting that he would want his teachers not to analyze what he said, but apparently had no such reservations about ordinary TMers doing so. Oh, wait, but so many of the tapes we saw were made during TTCs. Did you notice that when the video camera was on, he would suddenly stop using those speech patterns and talk so that you could analyze what he said for a while until the camera was turned off? I am not even endorsing all the claims of NLP which get pretty far-fetched but I believe their language work was excellent and some of it has trickled down to mainstream psychology. Frankly, I think trying to apply NLP theories to MMY doesn't make a whole lot more sense than trying to apply quantum theory to the Unified Field. IMHO, of course.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just what America needs
WillyTex wrote: hairitu: ...the worldview for dummies. So, you're a HuffPo reader - I thought so. And what exactly is wrong with that? Actually the story was linked from Raw Story which I suppose with which you also have a problem.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
They were often redundant. I know his theory was you have to say the same things over and over again for it to sink in but for me it heard that, got the t-shirt, what else you got? Jason wrote: Man, you have a point. I hated his lectures. It was full of shit. However, I loved to listen to Nader, Hagelin, Dilbeck etc etc. --- On Mon, 4/19/10, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 9:52 AM I think the accent thing is a help since we are much more adept at noticing gaps in logic when our conscious mind is not hung up on figuring out what is being said. While most of use could spot a televangelist routine in our own language, we give a foreign person a lot more leeway and most people don't like to appear culturally insensitive by challenging a foreign born speaker. So much of Maharishi's personal pettiness was just written off as part of his inscrutable Indianness. In some street cons the person purposely speaks too rapidly to follow until the person's eyes glaze over and they are given a direct command which due to brain overload they sometimes follow without reflection. So much of Maharishi's speech patterns were designed to overwhelm our mind's ability to analyze what he was saying. And if that didn't work he just wore us down with hours of speaking on abstract topics. There is an old saw from Neuro-Linguistic Programming that if you have been listening to someone for 5 minutes and you still haven't heard anything that you could put in a wheelbarrow, you are being hypnotized. State change language is not meant to inform, it is mean to shift you out of your conscious mind's usual organization. Depending on your beliefs in the person doing this shifting you would either consider this a good or a bad thing. But one thing for sure, your ability to apply the rules of reason gets impaired.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting. So it would not be unusual at all for it to start up. Living around volcanos one learns a bit about them. They could be doing damage control too as not to alarm the public but if it does explode with a boom then damage control may no longer be possible. authfriend wrote: From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv.is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1395588323904ref=mf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Gaia is really pissed now as Breaking News on MSNBC has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable name Hekla, has begun erupting. If this is the one they are were worried on then all bets are off.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
Bhairitu: They were often redundant... So, how many years did you listen to the Maharishi give 'redundant' talks?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very real religion -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting. So it would not be unusual at all for it to start up. Living around volcanos one learns a bit about them. They could be doing damage control too as not to alarm the public but if it does explode with a boom then damage control may no longer be possible. authfriend wrote: From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv.is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1395588323904ref=mf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Gaia is really pissed now as Breaking News on MSNBC has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable name Hekla, has begun erupting. If this is the one they are were worried on then all bets are off.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:13 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very real religion -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest? I nominate Nabby.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
Al Gore, the High Priest of Global Warming? --- On Mon, 4/19/10, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 7:12 PM That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very real religion -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Bhairitu noozg...@.. . wrote: The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting. So it would not be unusual at all for it to start up. Living around volcanos one learns a bit about them. They could be doing damage control too as not to alarm the public but if it does explode with a boom then damage control may no longer be possible. authfriend wrote: From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs .com/eruptions/ 2010/04/changes_ in_the_eruption_ at_eyj.php http://tinyurl. com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr. com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv. is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog. ldc.upenn. edu/nll/? p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour: http://www.facebook .com/video/ video.php? v=1395588323904 ref=mf --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Gaia is really pissed now as Breaking News on MSNBC has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable name Hekla, has begun erupting. If this is the one they are were worried on then all bets are off.
[FairfieldLife] Judith Bourke Conny Larsson - a cult?
From the pro-Sai Baba site: http://www.saisathyasai.com/Conny_Larsson/judith-bourque-filmmaker-endermologie.html ... This site attempts to link Judith Bourke and Conny Larsson in some type of guilt by association conspiration against Sathya Sai Baba.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Judith Bourke Conny Larsson - a cult?
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of yifuxero Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:36 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Judith Bourke Conny Larsson - a cult? From the pro-Sai Baba site: http://www.saisathyasai.com/Conny_Larsson/judith-bourque-filmmaker-endermolo gie.html ... This site attempts to link Judith Bourke and Conny Larsson in some type of guilt by association conspiration against Sathya Sai Baba. They're friends. Whether or not Conny is a psychic trance medium has little bearing on what Judith says she experienced 40+ years ago. Or Jennifer, etc.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
Here's a link to Katla tremor updates: http://hraun.vedur.is/ja/Katla2009/stodvaplott.html Duveyoung wrote: That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very real religion -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest? Edg
[FairfieldLife] Conny Larsson on MMY, Sai Baba, and Kalki
http://www.saibabaexpose.com/GD.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
If Katla lights up tomorrow -- all the 420'ers'll think it's a sign from God. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Here's a link to Katla tremor updates: http://hraun.vedur.is/ja/Katla2009/stodvaplott.html Duveyoung wrote: That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very real religion -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest? Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting. So it would not be unusual at all for it to start up. Living around volcanos one learns a bit about them. Yes, that's been in the news for days now; you don't have to live around volcanos to have picked it up. Hekla has erupted before when the other one did. The point is that the report this morning was in error. They could be doing damage control too as not to alarm the public I quoted two *bloggers*, Bhairitu, in addition to MSNBC. One lives in Iceland within sight of the Hekla volcano and is keeping tabs on the tremors; in Iceland, you *want* to alarm the public if there's a volcano erupting so those nearby can get out of the way. The other blogger has a scientific reputation to uphold and isn't worried about alarming anybody. but if it does explode with a boom then damage control may no longer be possible. Nobody's doing damage control, Bhairitu. Hekla isn't erupting, sorry. Maybe later. Maybe soon. If it does, we'll hear about it right away. It's not exactly the sort of thing you can keep under wraps even if you wanted to. I gave a link to a Webcam of the volcano. You can see for yourself that it's quiet. Oh, wait, maybe they're feeding it footage from last year so nobody will know there's an eruption going on! Sheesh. authfriend wrote: From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv.is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1395588323904ref=mf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Gaia is really pissed now as Breaking News on MSNBC has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable name Hekla, has begun erupting. If this is the one they are were worried on then all bets are off.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
I heard the Native Americans in the Pacific Northwest have an old saying: When little sister calls, big brother answers, referring to Mt. St. Helens and Mt. Rainier. The answer is not necessarily immediate.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: snip Science is what Doug was claiming, and that I was challenging. I make no claims that my analysis is scientific, it is a opinion from the body of work done by Bandler and Grinder analysing speech patterns of Milton Erickson and other state change experts. I am certified as a practitioner of NLP (FWIW) so that is the basis of my opinion. OK, so it's just your opinion, then. Thank you for clarifying. It is my opinion based on Bandler and Grinder's theories about speech patterns. I actually analyzed some of Maharishi's speeches with my instructors at my certification course in Colorado. The whole thing is based on Grinder and Bandler's analysis which many might object to. I can't claim it is my personal opinion because I am basing it on their work. I think you would enjoy their analysis of language if you are not already familiar with it. You also added the word deliberately which I would not do. Perhaps the word designed wasn't quite right, then, because that implies intention. I agree that I don't know how deliberate any of this was. I suspect it was a matter of trial and error. The same patterns pop up in Rick's interviews and I'm sure that is just from telling the story a bunch of times and eliminating things that make people go wh. When Bandler and Grinder presented their analysis after modeling Milton Erickson he said Oh that's what I do!. He wasn't aware of any of it as being a pattern that could be analyzed. But thank you for clarifying. Maharishi was probably just using the same techniques of language used on him. One of the things I liked about NLP was that it gave a framework to understand language patterns that people use naturally through trial and error. It is not claiming that every person using language that defies the conscious mind to keep track of the details is conscious of the techniques they are employing. But after sitting in a room for hours and hours of tapes for what added up to over 2 years of my life, enduring endless repetition of the same phrases, I'm pretty sure Maharishi was not very interested in my conscious mind in his communications. YMMV Interesting that he would want his teachers not to analyze what he said, but apparently had no such reservations about ordinary TMers doing so. Both teachers and meditators believe they were doing more analyzing than they were. Mostly we fit together phrases from his language patterns like a puzzle. I'm sure you are familiar with the concept of sacred science language from Lifton. Using TM terms and phrases gives people a lot more confidence in their understanding than I believe is deserved. Oh, wait, but so many of the tapes we saw were made during TTCs. Did you notice that when the video camera was on, he would suddenly stop using those speech patterns and talk so that you could analyze what he said for a while until the camera was turned off? Maharishi has lots of different speech patterns if you hang out with him long enough. Most of the tapes reflect his state change patterns. On TTC we also had tapes of specific instructions like how to handle the press which use his down to biz style. It is quite distinct. I am not even endorsing all the claims of NLP which get pretty far-fetched but I believe their language work was excellent and some of it has trickled down to mainstream psychology. Frankly, I think trying to apply NLP theories to MMY doesn't make a whole lot more sense than trying to apply quantum theory to the Unified Field. IMHO, of course. I don't see why not, it analysis in great detail his specific forms of speech patterns. This is not an overlay of different subjects in a metaphorical context, it is the actual subject matter of the theories. And since I was certified to teach it, NLP is a framework I was trained to apply in this exact way. Of course that doesn't prove anything about NLP's validity which, as I have mentioned, I have different feelings about depending on the aspect of NLP we are discussing. It is extremely useful in art like poetry and songwriting to understand the mechanics of how you turn a person's mind inward with language and how to avoid internal contradictions that disturb invoking and internal connection with the words. Maharishi was very good at this style of speech and you can analysis him using it in a positive way if you are inclined to assign positive motivations to him. And for the most part I do, with some important exceptions. My training from Maharishi in using this language form made me a quick study in NLP, particularly in trance inductions. You can also discuss this as the language of gaining rapport with someone. This is a very non sinister use where you want the person to have as little specific conflict with what you are saying as possible. In my own
[FairfieldLife] Funniest volcano moment yet !
I was just on Skype with my bro, who is of course still stuck in Turin unable to get home, Shroud Woo Woo notwithstanding. And we were just chatting about various stuff when for some reason Scientology entered the conversation. Both of us had the same idea at the same time. Are the Scientologists going crazy because of L.Ron's paranoid mythology of bad Body Thetans emerging from volcanos and causing humans horrible distress and taking over their bodies? Are there Scientologists all over the world hunkered down in bunkers fearing the end of the world? This idea tickled me so much that I decided to write a meme about this very subject and set it loose on the Internet, to see how long it would take to echo back to me. So I started researching Xenu and volcanos and Body Thetans, and then I thought to check whether anyone *else* had hit upon this wild hair idea. So I Googled Thetans AND volcanos and to my mild disappointment but my overall pleasure discovered that I was NOT the first to make such a connection or start such a meme. From a post today on alt.religion.scientology: Europeans Beware - Thetans from Iceland volcano might body-snatch with a vengeance. From: Gregory Hall, Esq. Just imagine the millions or billions of disembodied thetans trying to find bodies as they rain down on Europe from the volcano in Iceland. The authorities aren't telling anybody but the REAL reason aircraft won't fly is not because of a little dust. It's because of all those thetans exiled for billions of years by the Xenu in the Earth's volcanoes. Aircraft certainly aren't proof against them. Stay indoors, don't expose yourself to this clear and present danger. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. The volcano that was incorrectly reported to have erupted was Hekla. The big mofo is Katla. It blows about twice a century, so I guess the world must have been crushed on a pretty regular basis. That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very real religion Not. It's unlikely to be a big threat anywhere but in Iceland. If it spews a lot of ash and the wind is right, that could be a problem elsewhere, but not a world- crushing one. -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting. So it would not be unusual at all for it to start up. Living around volcanos one learns a bit about them. They could be doing damage control too as not to alarm the public but if it does explode with a boom then damage control may no longer be possible. authfriend wrote: From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv.is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1395588323904ref=mf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Gaia is really pissed now as Breaking News on MSNBC has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable name Hekla, has begun erupting. If this is the one they are were worried on then all bets are off.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Funniest volcano moment yet !
I do believe Turq has turned a corner. Lookie lookie he's telling folks not to expose themselves. A first! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: I was just on Skype with my bro, who is of course still stuck in Turin unable to get home, Shroud Woo Woo notwithstanding. And we were just chatting about various stuff when for some reason Scientology entered the conversation. Both of us had the same idea at the same time. Are the Scientologists going crazy because of L.Ron's paranoid mythology of bad Body Thetans emerging from volcanos and causing humans horrible distress and taking over their bodies? Are there Scientologists all over the world hunkered down in bunkers fearing the end of the world? This idea tickled me so much that I decided to write a meme about this very subject and set it loose on the Internet, to see how long it would take to echo back to me. So I started researching Xenu and volcanos and Body Thetans, and then I thought to check whether anyone *else* had hit upon this wild hair idea. So I Googled Thetans AND volcanos and to my mild disappointment but my overall pleasure discovered that I was NOT the first to make such a connection or start such a meme. From a post today on alt.religion.scientology: Europeans Beware - Thetans from Iceland volcano might body-snatch with a vengeance. From: Gregory Hall, Esq. Just imagine the millions or billions of disembodied thetans trying to find bodies as they rain down on Europe from the volcano in Iceland. The authorities aren't telling anybody but the REAL reason aircraft won't fly is not because of a little dust. It's because of all those thetans exiled for billions of years by the Xenu in the Earth's volcanoes. Aircraft certainly aren't proof against them. Stay indoors, don't expose yourself to this clear and present danger. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Sounds like he is Americans as if they are Indians. Even in Fairfield there would be a tremendous cultural gap. That's another mistake would-be gurus from India frequently make. I think the accent thing is a help since we are much more adept at noticing gaps in logic when our conscious mind is not hung up on figuring out what is being said. While most of use could spot a televangelist routine in our own language, we give a foreign person a lot more leeway and most people don't like to appear culturally insensitive by challenging a foreign born speaker. So much of Maharishi's personal pettiness was just written off as part of his inscrutable Indianness. In some street cons the person purposely speaks too rapidly to follow until the person's eyes glaze over and they are given a direct command which due to brain overload they sometimes follow without reflection. So much of Maharishi's speech patterns were designed to overwhelm our mind's ability to analyze what he was saying. And if that didn't work he just wore us down with hours of speaking on abstract topics. There is an old saw from Neuro-Linguistic Programming that if you have been listening to someone for 5 minutes and you still haven't heard anything that you could put in a wheelbarrow, you are being hypnotized. State change language is not meant to inform, it is mean to shift you out of your conscious mind's usual organization. Depending on your beliefs in the person doing this shifting you would either consider this a good or a bad thing. But one thing for sure, your ability to apply the rules of reason gets impaired. This is really interesting stuff, Curtis. If youw were so inclined, this could be a thesis or a really interesting book - how language patterns are used in religions and by gurus, whether intentional or not. And then there is the likelihood that different brains are more or less susceptible to those language patterns. Probably those of us who tend to be religious or spiritual by nature are less inclined to analyze things or stay rooted in logic. Alex Stanley wrote: Out of curiosity, I went to last night's event with Mahendra Kumar Trivedi. He speaks English, but his accent is so thick that it was excruciatingly fatiguing for me to follow along with what he was saying. So, I pretty much tuned him out and sat there for two hours, bored out of my mind. When it came time to do the blessing, where he does his ooga-booga energy transmission, we had to sign a release form. It would have been nice if they'd mentioned that in the flyer, because I would have brought my reading glasses and a pen. So, on top of boredom, I was now annoyed. I borrowed a pen and went right up to one of the bright little floor lights and did my best to read the form and sign it. He then tells us to take off our shoes and socks and instructs us to pray to god, as we understand him/her/it, with our desire while he does his energy transmission. And, I'm yet again going WTF? All those seeds, plants and animals you supposedly performed magic on didn't have to pray in order for your woo-woo to work, so why do we? My upbringing was atheist, and unbounded ineffable transcendence is the closest I get to having anything resembling an understanding of god, and it's certainly not something I would pray to. So, I sat there and put my attention on my neck, which has been bothering me for a couple years. This morning, my neck is unchanged. Needless to say, I'm not the least bit inspired to fork over $300 for an individualized blessing because the only thing that would be blessed is his bank account. At least part of the $15 I did pay to see him goes to the civic center, which is struggling financially. Probably the main reason Maharishi was so successful was because he DID NOT have a thick accent and westerners were able to understand him. I've been telling my tantra teacher for years to go take an accent reduction course. Living in Silicon Valley there are plenty of those offered and for a reasonable price. Since most people taking these courses already know English it is usually about practicing some simple drills and eliminating some of the regional quirks in pronunciation. Some of the drills are even available online. My teacher tends to drop vowels leaving one listening to a string of consonants. Sounds like he is Americans as if they are Indians. Even in Fairfield there would be a tremendous cultural gap. That's another mistake would-be gurus from India frequently make.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just what America needs
So, you're a HuffPo reader - I thought so. Bhairitu: Actually the story was linked from Raw Story... So, you're a Raw Story reader - I thought so.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: snip Both teachers and meditators believe they were doing more analyzing than they were. Mostly we fit together phrases from his language patterns like a puzzle. I'm sure you are familiar with the concept of sacred science language from Lifton. Using TM terms and phrases gives people a lot more confidence in their understanding than I believe is deserved. ROTFL! Citing Lifton in relation to TM is sillier than citing Erikson, IMHO. Yes, I've read him. Remember how you refused to discuss his theories with me on alt.m.t? I must have asked you a dozen times.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 waybac...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Sounds like he is Americans as if they are Indians. Even in Fairfield there would be a tremendous cultural gap. That's another mistake would-be gurus from India frequently make. I think the accent thing is a help since we are much more adept at noticing gaps in logic when our conscious mind is not hung up on figuring out what is being said. While most of use could spot a televangelist routine in our own language, we give a foreign person a lot more leeway and most people don't like to appear culturally insensitive by challenging a foreign born speaker. So much of Maharishi's personal pettiness was just written off as part of his inscrutable Indianness. In some street cons the person purposely speaks too rapidly to follow until the person's eyes glaze over and they are given a direct command which due to brain overload they sometimes follow without reflection. So much of Maharishi's speech patterns were designed to overwhelm our mind's ability to analyze what he was saying. And if that didn't work he just wore us down with hours of speaking on abstract topics. There is an old saw from Neuro-Linguistic Programming that if you have been listening to someone for 5 minutes and you still haven't heard anything that you could put in a wheelbarrow, you are being hypnotized. State change language is not meant to inform, it is mean to shift you out of your conscious mind's usual organization. Depending on your beliefs in the person doing this shifting you would either consider this a good or a bad thing. But one thing for sure, your ability to apply the rules of reason gets impaired. This is really interesting stuff, Curtis. If youw were so inclined, this could be a thesis or a really interesting book - how language patterns are used in religions and by gurus, whether intentional or not. And then there is the likelihood that different brains are more or less susceptible to those language patterns. Probably those of us who tend to be religious or spiritual by nature are less inclined to analyze things or stay rooted in logic. I tend to agree with Curtis' theory, and have for years. It's the same monotone, sing-song speech pattern, pretty much no matter who the teacher is. I also agree with him that many of the people doing this are not consciously aware that they are doing it; they are just mimicking speech patterns that worked on *them*. Might I remind people of a quote from the Braco healer guy whose name came up here recently. According to his site, while you're waiting to have your individual session standing in front of him, during which he blasts you with his Woo Woo, he plays audio tapes, which everyone has to listen to while waiting for their turn. Here are *his* words (or the words of whichever of his followers wrote the website) on the subject: Braco does not talk to his visitors, nor does he touch them or use any other form of nonverbal suggestion: He simply is gazing at them. ... When the groups are listening to Braco´s voice, Braco is not standing in front of them. Braco is not there, you will only listen to a tape, which has been recorded. But just to listen to the sound of his voice is enough to experience similar feelings, reactions and effects as the people do, when they are looking into Braco´s eyes. Duh. Why do they feel a hit while he's gazing at him? They've been state changed first.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip Both teachers and meditators believe they were doing more analyzing than they were. Mostly we fit together phrases from his language patterns like a puzzle. I'm sure you are familiar with the concept of sacred science language from Lifton. Using TM terms and phrases gives people a lot more confidence in their understanding than I believe is deserved. ROTFL! Citing Lifton in relation to TM is sillier than citing Erikson, IMHO. Not according to Lifton himself. His use of the language of sacred science is dead on IMO. Singer, his partner in applying his theory to the movement, agreed. Yes, I've read him. Remember how you refused to discuss his theories with me on alt.m.t? I must have asked you a dozen times. I remember discussing it with you on numerous occasions although I am sure I also refused sometimes. I find his model very useful in understanding my experience in the TM movement which we have clarified was very different from your own. Applying his principles to a person who was not in a fulltime facility and subject to the rules of a teacher seems pointless. I am certainly not interested in convincing you of anything here. Lifton's were a critical piece for my understanding of what happened to me in the movement. I offer my experience to others who want to do their own study and decide if it applies to their experience. Your opinions about either his theories or my application of them to my own unshared movement experiences is worthless to me. I accept that you don't find the model useful in evaluating your relationship with Maharishi and the movement. Given our different history in the movement that does not surprise me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 waybac...@... wrote: This is really interesting stuff, Curtis. If youw were so inclined, this could be a thesis or a really interesting book - how language patterns are used in religions and by gurus, whether intentional or not. And then there is the likelihood that different brains are more or less susceptible to those language patterns. Probably those of us who tend to be religious or spiritual by nature are less inclined to analyze things or stay rooted in logic. Thanks I appreciate what you wrote but I would not be the qualified guy for these jobs! In my experience you have to walk this road of research yourself if you are interested. All the material is there from many sources including cold reading and NLP and Lifton and even Steve Hassen wrote a book that really turned my head around when I needed it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Sounds like he is Americans as if they are Indians. Even in Fairfield there would be a tremendous cultural gap. That's another mistake would-be gurus from India frequently make. I think the accent thing is a help since we are much more adept at noticing gaps in logic when our conscious mind is not hung up on figuring out what is being said. While most of use could spot a televangelist routine in our own language, we give a foreign person a lot more leeway and most people don't like to appear culturally insensitive by challenging a foreign born speaker. So much of Maharishi's personal pettiness was just written off as part of his inscrutable Indianness. In some street cons the person purposely speaks too rapidly to follow until the person's eyes glaze over and they are given a direct command which due to brain overload they sometimes follow without reflection. So much of Maharishi's speech patterns were designed to overwhelm our mind's ability to analyze what he was saying. And if that didn't work he just wore us down with hours of speaking on abstract topics. There is an old saw from Neuro-Linguistic Programming that if you have been listening to someone for 5 minutes and you still haven't heard anything that you could put in a wheelbarrow, you are being hypnotized. State change language is not meant to inform, it is mean to shift you out of your conscious mind's usual organization. Depending on your beliefs in the person doing this shifting you would either consider this a good or a bad thing. But one thing for sure, your ability to apply the rules of reason gets impaired. This is really interesting stuff, Curtis. If youw were so inclined, this could be a thesis or a really interesting book - how language patterns are used in religions and by gurus, whether intentional or not. And then there is the likelihood that different brains are more or less susceptible to those language patterns. Probably those of us who tend to be religious or spiritual by nature are less inclined to analyze things or stay rooted in logic. Alex Stanley wrote: Out of curiosity, I went to last night's event with Mahendra Kumar Trivedi. He speaks English, but his accent is so thick that it was excruciatingly fatiguing for me to follow along with what he was saying. So, I pretty much tuned him out and sat there for two hours, bored out of my mind. When it came time to do the blessing, where he does his ooga-booga energy transmission, we had to sign a release form. It would have been nice if they'd mentioned that in the flyer, because I would have brought my reading glasses and a pen. So, on top of boredom, I was now annoyed. I borrowed a pen and went right up to one of the bright little floor lights and did my best to read the form and sign it. He then tells us to take off our shoes and socks and instructs us to pray to god, as we understand him/her/it, with our desire while he does his energy transmission. And, I'm yet again going WTF? All those seeds, plants and animals you supposedly performed magic on didn't have to pray in order for your woo-woo to work, so why do we? My upbringing was atheist, and unbounded ineffable transcendence is the closest I get to having anything resembling an understanding of god, and it's certainly not something I would pray to. So, I sat there and put my attention on my neck, which has been bothering me for a couple years. This morning, my neck is unchanged. Needless to say, I'm not the least bit inspired to fork over $300 for an individualized blessing because the only thing that would be blessed is his bank account. At least part of the $15 I did pay to see him goes to the civic center, which is
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
You SOUND like you're trying to do damage control. :-D All I did was pass along the info the MSNBC reported plus comment on what would happen if it blows. Ever been to a volcano? Ever look at the mapping of how the lava flows to the surface. I would suspect at the some point there is a split that goes one way the volcano that is currently blowing and the bigger volcano. It may take more energy for the bigger one to blow. There is a map of that kind of flow at the local volcano which shows how they thing the flow worked it way to the surface at the main peak and the one next door. Fortunately it blew about 4000 years ago. Mt. Tamalpais just north of San Francisco is also an extinct volcano. We'll see what happens. authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting. So it would not be unusual at all for it to start up. Living around volcanos one learns a bit about them. Yes, that's been in the news for days now; you don't have to live around volcanos to have picked it up. Hekla has erupted before when the other one did. The point is that the report this morning was in error. They could be doing damage control too as not to alarm the public I quoted two *bloggers*, Bhairitu, in addition to MSNBC. One lives in Iceland within sight of the Hekla volcano and is keeping tabs on the tremors; in Iceland, you *want* to alarm the public if there's a volcano erupting so those nearby can get out of the way. The other blogger has a scientific reputation to uphold and isn't worried about alarming anybody. but if it does explode with a boom then damage control may no longer be possible. Nobody's doing damage control, Bhairitu. Hekla isn't erupting, sorry. Maybe later. Maybe soon. If it does, we'll hear about it right away. It's not exactly the sort of thing you can keep under wraps even if you wanted to. I gave a link to a Webcam of the volcano. You can see for yourself that it's quiet. Oh, wait, maybe they're feeding it footage from last year so nobody will know there's an eruption going on! Sheesh. authfriend wrote: From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv.is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1395588323904ref=mf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Gaia is really pissed now as Breaking News on MSNBC has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable name Hekla, has begun erupting. If this is the one they are were worried on then all bets are off.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
Rick Archer wrote: I heard the Native Americans in the Pacific Northwest have an old saying: When little sister calls, big brother answers, referring to Mt. St. Helens and Mt. Rainier. The answer is not necessarily immediate. It's called the Pacific Ring of Fire and when St. Helen's blew then activity was observed later on Rainier, I think more in the 1990s. The devastation if Rainier blew would be something. But Seattle worries more about the subduction fault the city is built on. Frankly San Francisco should be nothing but a port with single level warehouses and not a city at all.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just what America needs
WillyTex wrote: So, you're a HuffPo reader - I thought so. Bhairitu: Actually the story was linked from Raw Story... So, you're a Raw Story reader - I thought so. So you really have nothing to say -- but we all know that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip Both teachers and meditators believe they were doing more analyzing than they were. Mostly we fit together phrases from his language patterns like a puzzle. I'm sure you are familiar with the concept of sacred science language from Lifton. Using TM terms and phrases gives people a lot more confidence in their understanding than I believe is deserved. ROTFL! Citing Lifton in relation to TM is sillier than citing Erikson, IMHO. Not according to Lifton himself. Duh! His use of the language of sacred science is dead on IMO. Singer, his partner in applying his theory to the movement, agreed. Singer's even worse. Yes, I've read him. Remember how you refused to discuss his theories with me on alt.m.t? I must have asked you a dozen times. I remember discussing it with you on numerous occasions I could get you to talk about his work in only the very most general terms, as you do here. You were never willing to go into his theories in detail with me. The basic problem with Lifton is that his theories and models are so poorly worded and described that depending on how you choose to interpret them, you can apply them to almost anything. although I am sure I also refused sometimes. I find his model very useful in understanding my experience in the TM movement which we have clarified was very different from your own. Applying his principles to a person who was not in a fulltime facility and subject to the rules of a teacher seems pointless. I am certainly not interested in convincing you of anything here. Lifton's were a critical piece for my understanding of what happened to me in the movement. I offer my experience to others who want to do their own study and decide if it applies to their experience. Your opinions about either his theories or my application of them to my own unshared movement experiences is worthless to me. I accept that you don't find the model useful in evaluating your relationship with Maharishi and the movement. Given our different history in the movement that does not surprise me.
[FairfieldLife] Statistically better than a monkey with a coin
Statistically better than a monkey with a coinBy Raj http://rajpatel.org/author/raj/ on 04/19/2010 in Uncategorized http://rajpatel.org/category/uncategorized/ On 7th April, Alan Greenspan appeared before the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission http://fcic.gov/hearings/04-07-2010.php , to explain what happened. He testified http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/2010/04/07/HP/R/31519/Citigroup+execu\ tives+we+warned+about+mortgage+risk.aspx that he was right 70% of the time and wrong 30% of the time. That's great. He spends 70% of his day asleep, eating, pooping, and commuting. It's hard to screw these things up. Which suggests that the screw-uppy 30% was limited to those parts of the day when he was sitting in front of a desk making monetary policy. http://tinyurl.com/y27fhd8
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: You SOUND like you're trying to do damage control. :-D No damage to BE controlled. All I did was pass along the info the MSNBC reported plus comment on what would happen if it blows. No reason for you not to do that. But all I did was quote an MSNBC update and two reputable blogs to the effect that the earlier report was false, and point out that nobody else was reporting it. And you suggested the report was being denied because they didn't want the public to be alarmed--as if you could keep a volcano eruption from the public! Ever been to a volcano? Ever look at the mapping of how the lava flows to the surface. Bhairitu, I'm not disputing that one or the other of the two nearby volcanos could well blow. They've done it before when this one erupted; and it's well known that volcanos that are near each other can be connected in various ways. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if one of the others erupted. It's just that it didn't happen *this morning*. I would suspect at the some point there is a split that goes one way the volcano that is currently blowing and the bigger volcano. It may take more energy for the bigger one to blow. There is a map of that kind of flow at the local volcano which shows how they thing the flow worked it way to the surface at the main peak and the one next door. Fortunately it blew about 4000 years ago. Mt. Tamalpais just north of San Francisco is also an extinct volcano. We'll see what happens. authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting. So it would not be unusual at all for it to start up. Living around volcanos one learns a bit about them. Yes, that's been in the news for days now; you don't have to live around volcanos to have picked it up. Hekla has erupted before when the other one did. The point is that the report this morning was in error. They could be doing damage control too as not to alarm the public I quoted two *bloggers*, Bhairitu, in addition to MSNBC. One lives in Iceland within sight of the Hekla volcano and is keeping tabs on the tremors; in Iceland, you *want* to alarm the public if there's a volcano erupting so those nearby can get out of the way. The other blogger has a scientific reputation to uphold and isn't worried about alarming anybody. but if it does explode with a boom then damage control may no longer be possible. Nobody's doing damage control, Bhairitu. Hekla isn't erupting, sorry. Maybe later. Maybe soon. If it does, we'll hear about it right away. It's not exactly the sort of thing you can keep under wraps even if you wanted to. I gave a link to a Webcam of the volcano. You can see for yourself that it's quiet. Oh, wait, maybe they're feeding it footage from last year so nobody will know there's an eruption going on! Sheesh. authfriend wrote: From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv.is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1395588323904ref=mf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Gaia is really pissed now as Breaking News on MSNBC has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable name Hekla, has begun erupting. If this is the one they are were worried on then all bets
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip Both teachers and meditators believe they were doing more analyzing than they were. Mostly we fit together phrases from his language patterns like a puzzle. I'm sure you are familiar with the concept of sacred science language from Lifton. Using TM terms and phrases gives people a lot more confidence in their understanding than I believe is deserved. ROTFL! Citing Lifton in relation to TM is sillier than citing Erikson, IMHO. Not according to Lifton himself. Duh! His use of the language of sacred science is dead on IMO. Singer, his partner in applying his theory to the movement, agreed. Singer's even worse. I found her both sincere and extremely perceptive concerning issues fulltime people had in the movement. Yes, I've read him. Remember how you refused to discuss his theories with me on alt.m.t? I must have asked you a dozen times. I remember discussing it with you on numerous occasions I could get you to talk about his work in only the very most general terms, as you do here. You were never willing to go into his theories in detail with me. The basic problem with Lifton is that his theories and models are so poorly worded and described that depending on how you choose to interpret them, you can apply them to almost anything. I'm not claiming he is speaking from a mountaintop, I just found his model useful. There are certainly more ways to misuse the model than to use it correctly. But according to him applying it to fulltime TM people was appropriate. According to you perhaps not. I'll go with my experience which is that I found it useful. I don't have any reason to debate your POV I'm sure there is much I would agree with. But your lack of experience with the levels of the movement that exhibited the things Lifton and Singer discuss makes it all kind of a moot point. If you had the experiences of the movement I had you might not find that his theories were either poorly worded or vague. And I certainly have not found that they could be properly used to describe anything. If you would care to give some examples I would certainly read it with interest. He was attempting to describe a phenomenon in human behavior. Given his initial work with Korean war vets it was a valuable humanitarian project to attempt to understand what had happened to them. But it isn't hard science so take what is useful and leave the rest. (where have I heard this before?) although I am sure I also refused sometimes. I find his model very useful in understanding my experience in the TM movement which we have clarified was very different from your own. Applying his principles to a person who was not in a fulltime facility and subject to the rules of a teacher seems pointless. I am certainly not interested in convincing you of anything here. Lifton's were a critical piece for my understanding of what happened to me in the movement. I offer my experience to others who want to do their own study and decide if it applies to their experience. Your opinions about either his theories or my application of them to my own unshared movement experiences is worthless to me. I accept that you don't find the model useful in evaluating your relationship with Maharishi and the movement. Given our different history in the movement that does not surprise me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
Too lazy to look it up, but I did read that Katla is able to be almost a world killer -- but that was about almost killing all life on Earth -- the lesser damage of killing humanity due to mass starvation is a much more possible result out of a Katla event. Here's a concept that most folks really don't have a handle on: the thinness of the Earth's crust. How thin? Well the Earth's diameter is about 8,000 miles, and the crust is at most 50 miles thick and under the oceans it's only about five to ten miles thick. About a third of one percent of the diameter of the Earth. Sounds like a lot of rock between us and the hot interior, right? Well it is -- we're not boiling, right?, but though rock has great insulating properties, the crust's thinness is very very much thinner than you might expect -- relatively speaking, and it is this I wish to underline -- with a metaphor that packs a punch for me. Consider this: if the Earth were the size of a billiard ball, if one touches the ball where there is ocean, it would feel only barely moist to the touch. And if you breathed upon it -- fogged it as if to clean your eyeglasses -- then that layer of water you've put upon the ball would be one of Earth's deepest oceans. See? The oceans are about five miles deep, and so is the crust under the oceansthat's about 1/1000th of the Earth's diameter. The crust is thinner than an egg shell and the inside of the egg is up to about 10,000 F degreeshotter than the surface of the sun. There's your protection that volcanoes so easily pierce. Feeling a bit more at risk? My job is done here. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. The volcano that was incorrectly reported to have erupted was Hekla. The big mofo is Katla. It blows about twice a century, so I guess the world must have been crushed on a pretty regular basis. That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very real religion Not. It's unlikely to be a big threat anywhere but in Iceland. If it spews a lot of ash and the wind is right, that could be a problem elsewhere, but not a world- crushing one. -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting. So it would not be unusual at all for it to start up. Living around volcanos one learns a bit about them. They could be doing damage control too as not to alarm the public but if it does explode with a boom then damage control may no longer be possible. authfriend wrote: From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv.is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1395588323904ref=mf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Gaia is really pissed now as Breaking News on MSNBC has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable name Hekla, has begun erupting. If this is the one they are were worried on then all bets are off.
[FairfieldLife] Isha Upanishad 11
Avidyayâ má¹ityuá¹ tîrtvâ vidyayâ amá¹itam aúhnute Through Avidyâ, ignorance, you cross beyond mortality, beyond death, beyond change; through Vidyâ, knowledge, you taste immortality. Îshâ Upanishad 11 The Self is always the Self; it is never non-Self; but somehow it became identified with the body and with the whole objective field of life. So the `I' got mixed up with `mine'; and when the `I' awakens fully to its own original identity, then is the taste of immortality. The practice is just for thisto awaken to one's own immortal reality. And practice means we go beyond that which we have been identified all the timewe transcend that, and transcend, and transcend, and transcend With time the taste of transcendental consciousness begins to be a little more lasting, more lasting, more lasting, and gradually the long identification with the boundaries of the body and the surroundings begins to dissolve. Those impressions begin to melt. So this practice, or Sâdhanâ, is just for the sake of transcending change. Through change you transcend change. That is why it says, through ignorance you cross beyond the field of changethrough ignorance. Because enlightenment is the reality; ignorance is a mirage. You have the glasses on the eyes, but you are searchingwhere are the glasses? You are the Self, but you are searchingwhere is the Self, where is the Self? So the whole search is a kind of fraud, which is just Avidyâ. The reality is eternity, immortality; so you taste immortality by virtue of being immortality. But to be immortal, you have first to cross beyond the boundaries of change. Through change you transcend change; through knowledge, that awakening, you taste immortality. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 6 December 1964, History of Thirty Years around the World, p.574.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Too lazy to look it up, but I did read that Katla is able to be almost a world killer -- but that was about almost killing all life on Earth -- the lesser damage of killing humanity due to mass starvation is a much more possible result out of a Katla event. Conceivable, but unlikely. AS I SAID, Katla erupts about twice a century, and it hasn't killed the world or killed humanity by mass starvation yet. Icelanders living anywhere near it should be worried, and depending on what it spews and which way the winds are blowing, it could cause big problems in Europe with air travel and maybe some crops. Iceland's Laki eruption in 1783 killed thousands across Europe and caused a famine in France and a very cold winter around the globe. Could that be what you're thinking of? That was the worst one in recent history from Iceland. What you really need to worry about, of course, is the Yellowstone caldera. Definitely a potential world-killer. But apparently the uplift has slowed way down recently, so geologists aren't as concerned as they were. snip The crust is thinner than an egg shell and the inside of the egg is up to about 10,000 F degreeshotter than the surface of the sun. There's your protection that volcanoes so easily pierce. Feeling a bit more at risk? My job is done here. Not even a tad bit. But you've shot your wad, so your job is done here anyway.
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[FairfieldLife] The Names of theTranscendent
Rick started on the batgap homepage this description referencing the cross-cultural experience of the spiritual transcendent. Craig Pearson enumerates this too in some of his writing: This same field is described everywhere in the world's great philosophical and religious traditions. Plato refers to it as the Good and the Beautiful. Aristotle calls it Being. For Plotinus it is the Infinite, for St. Bernard of Clairvaux the Word, for Ralph Waldo Emerson the Oversoul. It is referred to in Christiantity as the kingdom of Heaven within, in Judaism as Ein Sof. The direct experience of this transcendental field is referred to in India as Yoga, in Buddhism as Nirvana, in Islam as fana, in Christianity as spiritual marriage. It is a universal teaching based on a universal reality and a universal experience. http://www.tm.org/blog/meditation/laozi-and-the-tao-te-ching-the-ancient-wisdom-of-china/ Evidently is 'repeatable' in experience. Seems scientific as it appears universal across culture and time. Rick writing on batgap: People everywhere are undergoing a shift to an Awakened state of consciousness which is transforming their understanding of themselves and the world. For some, this shift has been abrupt and dramatic. For others, it has been so gradual that they may not have realized it has occurred. Such shifts, or awakenings, are not new: Christ spoke of the Kingdom of Heaven within, Buddhists speak of Nirvana, Zen masters of Satori, Hindus of Moksha, but these traditions generally regard these states as rare and difficult to attain. Many people are therefore skeptical of claims of higher states of consciousness. They find it hard to believe that apparently ordinary friends and neighbors might be experiencing something extraordinary. Maybe they expect Enlightenment to look as remarkable on the outside as it is reputed to be on the inside. About, This show will attempt to dispel skepticism and misconceptions by week after week, allowing otherwise ordinary people to relate their experience of spiritual awakening. The terminology is tricky, because there are no universally agreed upon definitions to describe this experience. Also, enlightenment is not something that an individual person gets. It's not even something that the mind can grasp. It's an awakening to that which contains the mind and all other things. So it's not surprising that language is inadequate to convey it. http://batgap.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
I kind of hope this thing doesn't peter out for your sake Edg. You seem to thrive on this sort of thing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very real religion -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting. So it would not be unusual at all for it to start up. Living around volcanos one learns a bit about them. They could be doing damage control too as not to alarm the public but if it does explode with a boom then damage control may no longer be possible. authfriend wrote: From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv.is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1395588323904ref=mf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Gaia is really pissed now as Breaking News on MSNBC has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable name Hekla, has begun erupting. If this is the one they are were worried on then all bets are off.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:13 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very real religion -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest? I nominate Nabby. Maybe Edg can do a version of his, get ten people to vouch for him sort of thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
That's really neat. Although I could look it up, can you tell us again, what keeps the earth's core continually hot, as in, why hasn't it cooled down already? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Too lazy to look it up, but I did read that Katla is able to be almost a world killer -- but that was about almost killing all life on Earth -- the lesser damage of killing humanity due to mass starvation is a much more possible result out of a Katla event. Here's a concept that most folks really don't have a handle on: the thinness of the Earth's crust. How thin? Well the Earth's diameter is about 8,000 miles, and the crust is at most 50 miles thick and under the oceans it's only about five to ten miles thick. About a third of one percent of the diameter of the Earth. Sounds like a lot of rock between us and the hot interior, right? Well it is -- we're not boiling, right?, but though rock has great insulating properties, the crust's thinness is very very much thinner than you might expect -- relatively speaking, and it is this I wish to underline -- with a metaphor that packs a punch for me. Consider this: if the Earth were the size of a billiard ball, if one touches the ball where there is ocean, it would feel only barely moist to the touch. And if you breathed upon it -- fogged it as if to clean your eyeglasses -- then that layer of water you've put upon the ball would be one of Earth's deepest oceans. See? The oceans are about five miles deep, and so is the crust under the oceansthat's about 1/1000th of the Earth's diameter. The crust is thinner than an egg shell and the inside of the egg is up to about 10,000 F degreeshotter than the surface of the sun. There's your protection that volcanoes so easily pierce. Feeling a bit more at risk? My job is done here. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. The volcano that was incorrectly reported to have erupted was Hekla. The big mofo is Katla. It blows about twice a century, so I guess the world must have been crushed on a pretty regular basis. That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very real religion Not. It's unlikely to be a big threat anywhere but in Iceland. If it spews a lot of ash and the wind is right, that could be a problem elsewhere, but not a world- crushing one. -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting. So it would not be unusual at all for it to start up. Living around volcanos one learns a bit about them. They could be doing damage control too as not to alarm the public but if it does explode with a boom then damage control may no longer be possible. authfriend wrote: From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv.is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour:
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Names of theTranscendent
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote: Rick started on the batgap homepage this description referencing the cross-cultural experience of the spiritual transcendent. Craig Pearson enumerates this too in some of his writing: This same field is described everywhere in the world's great philosophical and religious traditions. Plato refers to it as the Good and the Beautiful. Aristotle calls it Being. For Plotinus it is the Infinite, for St. Bernard of Clairvaux the Word, for Ralph Waldo Emerson the Oversoul. It is referred to in Christiantity as the kingdom of Heaven within, in Judaism as Ein Sof. The direct experience of this transcendental field is referred to in India as Yoga, in Buddhism as Nirvana, in Islam as fana, in Christianity as spiritual marriage. It is a universal teaching based on a universal reality and a universal experience. http://www.tm.org/blog/meditation/laozi-and-the-tao-te-ching-the-ancient-wisdom-of-china/ Evidently is 'repeatable' in experience. Seems scientific as it appears universal across culture and time. You mean like belief in witchcraft and the lower status of women from men? Both are super popular on this planet. Or perhaps the now trans cultural popularity of Mcdonald's should grant it status as a universally healthy diet? It is OK to just believe things because you want to. Just keep the misleading term scientific out of it. There is nothing scientific about collaging together a bunch of poorly defined terms as a poetic exercise. If you really believed in the methods of science as a way to increase the reliability of knowledge you wouldn't be slap dashing the term where it doesn't belong. Like in the humanities where all these vague terms in the world salad paragraph come from. Using the terms of science to market ideas in the humanities is an obvious con. No one is being fooled. Scientific knowledge isn't the only knowledge worthy of asserting. But misapplying it isn't going to help your argument of the value of these ideas. And if you do misapply science and look down under your butt and don't see a deerskin on a silk couch, don't be surprised if someone points their finger and says bullshit. You don't have the insulated environment Maharishi had to get away with this. Rick writing on batgap: People everywhere are undergoing a shift to an Awakened state of consciousness which is transforming their understanding of themselves and the world. For some, this shift has been abrupt and dramatic. For others, it has been so gradual that they may not have realized it has occurred. Such shifts, or awakenings, are not new: Christ spoke of the Kingdom of Heaven within, Buddhists speak of Nirvana, Zen masters of Satori, Hindus of Moksha, but these traditions generally regard these states as rare and difficult to attain. Many people are therefore skeptical of claims of higher states of consciousness. They find it hard to believe that apparently ordinary friends and neighbors might be experiencing something extraordinary. Maybe they expect Enlightenment to look as remarkable on the outside as it is reputed to be on the inside. About, This show will attempt to dispel skepticism and misconceptions by week after week, allowing otherwise ordinary people to relate their experience of spiritual awakening. The terminology is tricky, because there are no universally agreed upon definitions to describe this experience. Also, enlightenment is not something that an individual person gets. It's not even something that the mind can grasp. It's an awakening to that which contains the mind and all other things. So it's not surprising that language is inadequate to convey it. http://batgap.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip Both teachers and meditators believe they were doing more analyzing than they were. Mostly we fit together phrases from his language patterns like a puzzle. I'm sure you are familiar with the concept of sacred science language from Lifton. Using TM terms and phrases gives people a lot more confidence in their understanding than I believe is deserved. ROTFL! Citing Lifton in relation to TM is sillier than citing Erikson, IMHO. Not according to Lifton himself. Duh! His use of the language of sacred science is dead on IMO. Singer, his partner in applying his theory to the movement, agreed. Singer's even worse. I found her both sincere and extremely perceptive concerning issues fulltime people had in the movement. Yes, I know. snip The basic problem with Lifton is that his theories and models are so poorly worded and described that depending on how you choose to interpret them, you can apply them to almost anything. snip If you would care to give some examples I would certainly read it with interest. Naah. I just wanted to register my opinion. I've done that. And since my opinion is worthless to you, as yours is to me, I don't see any point in discussing it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: But if these people are expressing true significant shifts of consciousness that would benefit humanity then Rick's project is going way beyond the movement in opening them for examination. I think either way Rick is really on to something with this project. By now we should expect people living in the states Maharishi described vaguely and promised repeatedly. Hearing from them is a great resource for all of us interested in evaluating these claims. Curtisdeltablue, well that is a large ascent in your POV. Nice. Yes, I think Rick is on to something also. timely in its way. Is quite cool, are a lot more posted to the site now. Rick Archer obviously has been quite busy interviewing. Is some great journalism And good commentary too about spirituality. Thanks for taking the time to do this Rick. http://batgap.com/ FF Buddhas at the gas pumps. Funny that Rick has scooped the TM movement on this. Interviewing and publishing the 'awakened' this way. These various Fairfield neighbors (buddhas at the gas pump) seems are all of old TM movement. In the domes Bevan calls in every day to hear and commentate on the meditating experiences. Has been doing that for months as his domain. Those tapes available to publicly listen to? YouTube? Folks on the IA course have to stay put and listen to that commentary there as part of their program there. Rick's found buddhas out at the gas pumps of the larger meditating community would all welcome, in the domes as old meditators? A large irony of course is that they all seem to give credit to TM along the way yet by 'guideline' of the TM movement they mostly would not be welcome in the domes as most have visited with other holy people, saints or gurus. I have only seen one BudPump, but seek to watch more. The contrast of unfettered description of change in ones inner life (kind of ironic huh) from the high-tea, silk couch, victorian approach of the TMO, to a more blue jeans approach of BudGas, (The greening of the TMO -- a reference to another 1970ish book that had a lot of impact The Greening of America by Reich) raises the question of what other different kinds of change may be manifesting in people's inner and outer lives. Stuff that may not be the darling spiritual catch phrase of the moment. Stuff that may not sound hot and sexy -- more mundane. And parallel to my adjacent post on social change, is the change accelerating? Is it manifesting in new and unexpected ways? Can there be opposite, multi-varied change that is far outside the spiritual-cafe norm. More spiritual or inner core outliers. Can anyone define (and limit, by that definition) what inner change consists of? If change is accelerating, it may be unsettling. Like a rapid build construction site, if you just saw the demolition of the old site, and the deep excavation of the new, you might thing something bas was happening. Without seeing more of the totality, it may seem bleak. Are different parts of the change related -- and if so how? Are outer peoples change and pattern an pace of change related? I just listened to the Andy Schulman interview. Honest and cogent. I also like the first three or so minutes in this Schulman-buddha interview as Rick describing how people might see or react to spiritual-ized people. Seems a good real categorization of what one hears around. Can see that kind of variation in the skepticism in anti-meditation/anti=spiritual response and TM-deniers on FFL too. http://batgap.com/ Transcendental Fairfield: People everywhere are undergoing a shift to an Awakened state of consciousness which is transforming their understanding of themselves and the world. For some, this shift has been abrupt and dramatic. For others, it has been so gradual that they may not have realized it has occurred. Such shifts, or awakenings, are not new: Christ spoke of the Kingdom of Heaven within, Buddhists speak of Nirvana, Zen masters of Satori, Hindus of Moksha, but these traditions generally regard these states as rare and difficult to attain. Many people are therefore skeptical of claims of higher states of consciousness. They find it hard to believe that apparently ordinary friends and neighbors might be experiencing something extraordinary. Maybe they expect Enlightenment to look as remarkable on the outside as it is reputed to be on the inside. About, This show will attempt to dispel skepticism and misconceptions by week after week,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gas Pump Blues (no more?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: I think an appropriate deeper, probing question might be along the lines of What has being 'the center of the universe' ever done for anyone except yourself? There *might* be some interesting answers to this. If there are, *that* might interest those who care about other human beings in the concept of everyday enlight- enment. If it's just feelgood stories, as tartbrain has said more eloquently than I before, I don't see these stories appealing to anyone who isn't Only in it for the self. I don't recall characterizing them as feel good stories ( i may have -- lots of posts recently) -- just not so interesting for a prolonged listen. But on Edg's advice, I read a thread in which he engaged one of the people on the Pump list, and it was interesting. So I posted some questions, and the members have been very nice, supportive, helpful. And they have some good insights. So I probably sampled too few posts to draw a strong conclusion. Same with the video and tapes. I will give them another go in a few days or this weekend. Some posts may be a bit intellectual, but dome are on here are also. So, I have a new view of things over yonder. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: I think all of that is good. However, as stated, I have not found it very interesting, yet. I have not listened as extensively as you, and there may be great gems that I missed. However, others seem to be having the same problem as I -- in maintaining interest. Perhaps these may be raw feeds that need a bit of editing -- with the whole left for those that want full access. And as I have suggested in several posts, some deeper probing, while considerate and sensitive to the fact that these are very personal stories, would be useful. For example, a Curtis type (Curtis, you are an archetype already!) examining the statements in an epistimological framework would be fascinating, IMO. And, bold claims, such as I experienced being the center of the universe deserve a bit more follow-up -- not just Gee that s great. Perhaps you can share the segments, experiences, ideas from the tapes that you found most interesting. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: For more than two weeks I have repeatedly and closely listened to the BATGAP episodes via iTunes downloads via a portable iPod. The BATGAP episodes are a fascinating record of the personal histories and subjective perspectives of persons who have courage to publicly discuss permanently established positive shifts in awareness. Here-to-fore, an individual's declaration of a permanent shift in awareness called into question the validity of the experience. Rick Archer and the BATGAP interviewees promote egalitarian principles of experience and expression of higher states of awareness. BATGAP is a vehicle for positive cultural advancement by diminishing the influence of exploitive individuals and hierarchical institutions that for control purposes employ excessively exclusive principles of experience and expression by default and discourage members' advancement. -Mainstream --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: And the yahoo group -- I read a 20 or so posts. The posters are way into their heads -- it would appear from their posts. Dry expositions. While a small sample, i don't see the energy, vibrancy, life surging from their words. Hard to strike gold twice. FFL with all it's problems has some good edg (edge) and gets into some interesting discussions. But I think you've pretty well nailed this Buddha at the Gas Pump. And those interviews-I've only listened to the Foster's piece, but there wasn't much there to make me want to push on. Then again, I don't have time to do a lot of speculative exploring.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: But if these people are expressing true significant shifts of consciousness that would benefit humanity then Rick's project is going way beyond the movement in opening them for examination. I think either way Rick is really on to something with this project. By now we should expect people living in the states Maharishi described vaguely and promised repeatedly. Hearing from them is a great resource for all of us interested in evaluating these claims. Curtisdeltablue, well that is a large ascent in your POV. Nice. That section is misleading out of the full context of my post. In context it is not an ascent of my POV large or small. I always keep the option open that someday you all who practice spiritual techniques may do or say something that indicates you are functioning on a higher level from the rest of us. It just hasn't happened yet. Same thing with the God idea. He might show up someday and insist that I get baptized in the Potomac and accept Jesus as my personal savior. I'll bring my kayak and make a day of it on the condition that it includes a happy ending. Yes, I think Rick is on to something also. timely in its way. Agreed. As I said in the full context of the post there interviews are valuable no matter where you fall on the belief spectrum. I think he could easily get some national coverage of this project if the right person checks it out. I'm not so sure that the actual content of what people are saying in the interviews will motivate people to take up a spiritual practice but I haven't heard them all. Is quite cool, are a lot more posted to the site now. Rick Archer obviously has been quite busy interviewing. Is some great journalism And good commentary too about spirituality. Thanks for taking the time to do this Rick. http://batgap.com/ FF Buddhas at the gas pumps. Funny that Rick has scooped the TM movement on this. Interviewing and publishing the 'awakened' this way. These various Fairfield neighbors (buddhas at the gas pump) seems are all of old TM movement. In the domes Bevan calls in every day to hear and commentate on the meditating experiences. Has been doing that for months as his domain. Those tapes available to publicly listen to? YouTube? Folks on the IA course have to stay put and listen to that commentary there as part of their program there. Rick's found buddhas out at the gas pumps of the larger meditating community would all welcome, in the domes as old meditators? A large irony of course is that they all seem to give credit to TM along the way yet by 'guideline' of the TM movement they mostly would not be welcome in the domes as most have visited with other holy people, saints or gurus. I have only seen one BudPump, but seek to watch more. The contrast of unfettered description of change in ones inner life (kind of ironic huh) from the high-tea, silk couch, victorian approach of the TMO, to a more blue jeans approach of BudGas, (The greening of the TMO -- a reference to another 1970ish book that had a lot of impact The Greening of America by Reich) raises the question of what other different kinds of change may be manifesting in people's inner and outer lives. Stuff that may not be the darling spiritual catch phrase of the moment. Stuff that may not sound hot and sexy -- more mundane. And parallel to my adjacent post on social change, is the change accelerating? Is it manifesting in new and unexpected ways? Can there be opposite, multi-varied change that is far outside the spiritual-cafe norm. More spiritual or inner core outliers. Can anyone define (and limit, by that definition) what inner change consists of? If change is accelerating, it may be unsettling. Like a rapid build construction site, if you just saw the demolition of the old site, and the deep excavation of the new, you might thing something bas was happening. Without seeing more of the totality, it may seem bleak. Are different parts of the change related -- and if so how? Are outer peoples change and pattern an pace of change related? I just listened to the Andy Schulman interview. Honest and cogent. I also like the first three or so minutes in this Schulman-buddha interview as Rick describing how people might see or react to spiritual-ized people. Seems a good real categorization of what one hears around. Can see that kind of variation in the skepticism in anti-meditation/anti=spiritual response and TM-deniers on FFL
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Names of theTranscendent
Once he gets past Aristotle his statement of equivalence between traditions is just new age amateurism. He plainly doesn't know much of anything about the traditions he is comparing. In terms of the philosophy of religion this is just a waste of time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Rick started on the batgap homepage this description referencing the cross-cultural experience of the spiritual transcendent. Craig Pearson enumerates this too in some of his writing: This same field is described everywhere in the world's great philosophical and religious traditions. Plato refers to it as the Good and the Beautiful. Aristotle calls it Being. For Plotinus it is the Infinite, for St. Bernard of Clairvaux the Word, for Ralph Waldo Emerson the Oversoul. It is referred to in Christiantity as the kingdom of Heaven within, in Judaism as Ein Sof. The direct experience of this transcendental field is referred to in India as Yoga, in Buddhism as Nirvana, in Islam as fana, in Christianity as spiritual marriage. It is a universal teaching based on a universal reality and a universal experience.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Names of theTranscendent
Ssssettt...wary sswweeet! I've heard that the Eskimos have numerous names for Snow. The Christian references could easily have dualistic meanings, not necessarily the sole Gnostic interpretation. But first one should (imo) lay the groundwork for such a discussion by stating the objective. Are there benefits to experiencing or realizing the Spiritual Transcendent? ... If so, what are the benefits? What are the effective techniques of realizing the goal? How long does it take? Why should people experience the Transcendent?...as opposed to (say), spending time getting involved with the Tea Party Movement? Does the Transcendent make people Happy? Does it make them self-actualized? How about rich? Improve one's health?...cure diseases? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote: Rick started on the batgap homepage this description referencing the cross-cultural experience of the spiritual transcendent. Craig Pearson enumerates this too in some of his writing: This same field is described everywhere in the world's great philosophical and religious traditions. Plato refers to it as the Good and the Beautiful. Aristotle calls it Being. For Plotinus it is the Infinite, for St. Bernard of Clairvaux the Word, for Ralph Waldo Emerson the Oversoul. It is referred to in Christiantity as the kingdom of Heaven within, in Judaism as Ein Sof. The direct experience of this transcendental field is referred to in India as Yoga, in Buddhism as Nirvana, in Islam as fana, in Christianity as spiritual marriage. It is a universal teaching based on a universal reality and a universal experience. http://www.tm.org/blog/meditation/laozi-and-the-tao-te-ching-the-ancient-wisdom-of-china/ Evidently is 'repeatable' in experience. Seems scientific as it appears universal across culture and time. Rick writing on batgap: People everywhere are undergoing a shift to an Awakened state of consciousness which is transforming their understanding of themselves and the world. For some, this shift has been abrupt and dramatic. For others, it has been so gradual that they may not have realized it has occurred. Such shifts, or awakenings, are not new: Christ spoke of the Kingdom of Heaven within, Buddhists speak of Nirvana, Zen masters of Satori, Hindus of Moksha, but these traditions generally regard these states as rare and difficult to attain. Many people are therefore skeptical of claims of higher states of consciousness. They find it hard to believe that apparently ordinary friends and neighbors might be experiencing something extraordinary. Maybe they expect Enlightenment to look as remarkable on the outside as it is reputed to be on the inside. About, This show will attempt to dispel skepticism and misconceptions by week after week, allowing otherwise ordinary people to relate their experience of spiritual awakening. The terminology is tricky, because there are no universally agreed upon definitions to describe this experience. Also, enlightenment is not something that an individual person gets. It's not even something that the mind can grasp. It's an awakening to that which contains the mind and all other things. So it's not surprising that language is inadequate to convey it. http://batgap.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN May 1!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: I just got a letter in the mail from the Minneapolis TM center suggesting that I might like to announce Jerry's lecture on my blog. Apparently Keith Wallace recently called folks to a meeting on the West Coast to consider the straits the TM movement is in. Sanctioning a Jerry touring is likely some part of charting a hopeful rehab. The large irony of course is that he has to be 'brought back' to do the reconciliation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN May 1!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I just got a letter in the mail from the Minneapolis TM center suggesting that I might like to announce Jerry's lecture on my blog. Apparently Keith Wallace recently called folks to a meeting on the West Coast to consider the straits the TM movement is in. Sanctioning a Jerry touring is likely some part of charting a hopeful rehab. The large irony of course is that he has to be 'brought back' to do the reconciliation. Seems changes are coming to the TMO. Maybe a return to the feel of the mid-70's. I think Rajaism may go, be swept under the rug since it is so weird. Changes to make TM more mainstream seem to be inching in - reducing the price, Jerry tours, TM higherups attend healings by healers, measuring the brainwaves of non TM healers at MUM, asking Rick to publicize Jerry. Each of these would have been shocking, shocking just 3 years ago. If Tm is in straits now, and Judith's book rings true, it may take a toll on the TMO as people get really upset or at least filled with doubts.
