[FairfieldLife] Pole Dancing Championship (two versions)
Since I have been criticized by Buck for posting photos or links to videos that raise his...uh...libido but lower his consciousness, and that he considers...uh...rude, I have decided to start my week with a post made safer for the sexually repressed among us by offering it in two versions. Both links below are dance videos. Neither contains any nudity. Both contain dazzling feats of athletic ability that most people on this forum would be unable to perform without giving themselves a heart attack. Safe For Prudes version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnmy7wyXCJI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnmy7wyXCJI Safe For Adults version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gGpAriVywYaia=true http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gGpAriVywYaia=true brought to you by [http://www.project88.in/stock/Kiran_Chandra/Kiran%20Chandra%20prude%20b\ ig.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Please Read Act - Support Francis Thicke for Iowa Sec. of Agriculture
Forwarded from a friend: Friends, I will try to keep the main points short with more info available below as an option for those who are interested. Especially if you live in Fairfield, you may have already received a copy of his letter from someone else; if so, please accept my apologies for the duplication, and just consider this a well intentioned reminder. Although this message will reach you too late for today's financial reporting deadline mentioned in Francis' letter, any support that you can give -- financial or otherwise -- will still have a big effect. [Sorry that I couldn't manage to send it earlier] Main points 1. This message is for anyone, no matter where you live, who cares about the health and purity of the American agricultural system. Please share this with your friends. 2. Francis Thicke, founder of Radiance Dairy in Fairfield, Iowa, is running for Iowa Secretary of Agriculture this year. He is a highly intelligent, common sense advocate for sustainable agriculture and a healthy food supply. Please read his short letter below. 3. Iowa has a disproportionate influence on American agricultural policy and federal agricultural funding, so what happens here has a huge effect on the whole country. [For more on this point, see the excellent blog post (Why Iowa Matters For What You Eat) from the Daily Kos included below, after Francis' letter] 4. Francis' campaign is being managed by a very experienced Iowa political adviser who has said that Francis has a very legitimate shot at winning this election. This is not just a symbolic candidacy. Francis's letter From:Thicke Team thicket...@gmail.com'http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTBsdTZpcnZpBF9TAzM5ODMwMTAyNwRhYwNhZGRBQg--/SIG=1rj0n7ki6/**http%3A//address.mail.yahoo.com/yab%3Fv=YM%26A=m%26simp=1%26e=thicketeam%2540gmail.com%26fn=Thicke%26ln=Team%26.done=http%253A%252F%252Fus.mc320.mail.yahoo.com Dear Friends, I am a dairy farmer, not a professional politician. But I began this campaign because I believe that we need new vision and leadership for Iowa agriculture. We need to make Iowa agriculture more resilient and energy self-sufficient. We need to make Iowa's animal agriculture more respectful of the needs of rural communities, and reinstate local control. We need to break up corporate monopolies that are stealing the profits of Iowa farmers. Most of all, I believe in Iowans and in our ability to solve our problems with hard work, leadership, and creative thinking. In the last month I have taken this message to http://www.spencerdailyreporter.com/story/1624602.html41 Iowan communities, including http://www.kciiradio.com/2010/04/ag-secretary-hopeful-visits-kalona/16 radio stations. I have started http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/4/20/858362/-IA-Ag-Sec:-Threats-to-FoodPeak-Oil-and-Agricultureblogging to reach citizens on line. And I went to Washington, D.C. to speak at a policy conference of the Organic Trade Association about innovative ways to keep Iowa farmers on the farm during this century of economic and environmental challenges. I need your help, throughout this campaign. But I really need you to step up now. May 14 is the financial filing deadline for our campaign reporting. It will get a lot of press, and it is important to the momentum of this campaign that I am able to demonstrate broad support. We need 500 new small donors by May 14. If you can https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/entity/22731contribute any amount, https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/entity/22731$5, $10 or more, I would deeply appreciate it. Please consider making a donation today. Thank you! Francis P.S. To keep up with the campaign http://www.facebook.com/pages/Thicke-for-Agriculture/111697048846081join the Thicke for Agriculture fan page on Facebook http://www.thickeforagriculture.com/Official Campaign Website http://www.thickeforagriculture.com/ Mailing address: Thicke for Agriculture, P.O. Box 1870, Fairfield, Iowa 52556 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/4/22/852323/-IA-Ag-Sec:-Why-Iowa-Matters-For-What-You-Eat http://www.dailykos.com/ IA Agriculture Secretary: Why Iowa Matters For What You Eat by http://2laneia.dailykos.com/2laneIA http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/4/22/852323/-IA-Ag-Sec:-Why-Iowa-Matters-For-What-You-Eat#Share this on Twitter - IA Ag Sec: Why Iowa Matters For What You Eat http://www.reddit.com/submit?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstoryonly%2F2010%2F4%2F22%2F852323%2F-IA-Ag-Sec%3A-Why-Iowa-Matters-For-What-You-Eattitle=IA%20Ag%20Sec%3A%20Why%20Iowa%20Matters%20For%20What%20You%20Eat Thu Apr 22, 2010 Why should you care who the Secretary of Agriculture is in Iowa if you don't live here? Do you want locally-grown healthy food at your local supermarket? Do you avoid meat and dairy products that are saturated with hormones and antibiotics, or do you buy them because the alternatives are three
Re: [FairfieldLife] Pole Dancing Championship (two versions)
Wow! That was hot! Wonder if they have Vedic Pole dancing? Would be super neat to see Kali and Durga getting down on those poles. From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 2:31:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Pole Dancing Championship (two versions) Since I have been criticized by Buck for posting photos or links to videos that raise his...uh...libido but lower his consciousness, and that he considers... uh...rude, I have decided to start my week with a post made safer for the sexually repressed among us by offering it in two versions. Both links below are dance videos. Neither contains any nudity. Both contain dazzling feats of athletic ability that most people on this forum would be unable to perform without giving themselves a heart attack. Safe For Prudes version http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Tnmy7wyXCJI Safe For Adults version http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=5gGpAriVywYaia=true brought to you by
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pole Dancing Championship (two versions)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: Wonder if they have Vedic Pole dancing? I wonder if they have Vedic, soy-based kielbasa.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A new theory about how astronomy was used by the ancients.
That's correct but he doesn't seem to get it. Duveyoung: I'd say you've flat out been caught red-handed as a bullshitter... It is a fact needing no further proof that the first sight of another person's face can determine the outcome of an entire day. However, we should all pay very careful heed to the prediction in the Brihat Samhita: 'If a man or woman is seriously ill and his spouse's face looks shinning and bright, he or she is sure to die'. Edg, I think he's saying that lots of people have had lots of different ideas about how the ancients used astronomy. He doesn't think you should bother to copyright yours because nobody's going to want to steal it; they'll come up with their own idea instead--i.e., they're a dime a dozen. (Right, Bhairitu?)
[FairfieldLife] Re: One more step closer to Big Brother
Bhairitu: So the attendant figures you didn't tip him enough last time and plants pot in your car and reports you. You sound really angry and scared - maybe you should reconsider joining in a Tea Party protest. This is all too Orwellian. So, you're going to park your own car, and that's going to take the place of giving an attendant a tip to park your car? If anything, according to your scenario, the attendant and his gang would plant a smoking time-bomb in your car and report you. You're not making much sense. So, if you saw a car parked in a building parking garage and it was running with the keys inside, and smoke was coming out of it, you would not report it? Maybe you have not thought this through. I thought we fought some wars against this kind of shit. No, you have not fought any wars - you don't even own a firearm, so how could you fight against anything? Joining a Tea Party protest would probably be the best kind of action you could take, considering your limited support of the wars we are in now. Somehow, I just don't see you climbing out of a foxhole very quickly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Who cares what they say about the Jews, it's how they act towards the Jews and Israel and they do a damn better job than you!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: This is the reason why this city could be the cause of Armageddon, the next world war. It is likely that the US would be on the side of Israel since there are still fundamentalist Christians who believe that this war will be between the forces of good and evil, thus leading to the Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture. What do these fundamentalist Christians say is going to happen to the Jews who don't accept Jesus as their Savior? Also, there is a fairly strong Jewish influence in the US which will lobby the politicians to support the Israeli cause. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever
Al-Jazeerah, really? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I jsut abhor the militaristic, elitist, chauvanist, barbarian underbelly. - You mean you abhor toughness, that's a personal issue I guess If you watched the videos I posted in response to yours, and you call that toughness -- as in being a good thing -- you have pretty much confirmed all of my points. Thanks -- you have made your position abundantly clear for all to see. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M Yes wonderful stuff. Religious elitism and entitlement at its best. Unapoligetic rights claimed to beat the shit out of anyone outside the clan. Imperialistic claims based on archaic myths -- or at best 3000 year old heretitary claims. Wonderful stuff. And i love israel, and it s entrepreneurial, semi-democratic, pioneer, spirit. I jsut abhor the militaristic, elitist, chauvanist, barbarian underbelly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever
My propaganda is better than yours: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGUxzISr9Us --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I jsut abhor the militaristic, elitist, chauvanist, barbarian underbelly. - You mean you abhor toughness, that's a personal issue I guess If you watched the videos I posted in response to yours, and you call that toughness -- as in being a good thing -- you have pretty much confirmed all of my points. Thanks -- you have made your position abundantly clear for all to see. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M Yes wonderful stuff. Religious elitism and entitlement at its best. Unapoligetic rights claimed to beat the shit out of anyone outside the clan. Imperialistic claims based on archaic myths -- or at best 3000 year old heretitary claims. Wonderful stuff. And i love israel, and it s entrepreneurial, semi-democratic, pioneer, spirit. I jsut abhor the militaristic, elitist, chauvanist, barbarian underbelly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A new theory about how astronomy was used by the ancients.
Judy, Here's Bhairitu's words: Don't bother copyrighting as the subject has been tackled by many authors. The use of the word, subject, indicates that he knows what the subject is: caveman night sky diary. He asserts confidently (many') that the subject has not only been, say, mentioned before, but he compounds the assertion with many authors. The word, author carries a connotation of a more serious writer -- not merely a Facebook blurber, and the use of many, indicates that this subject is old news and has been written about so many times that nothing new can be added and that a copyright is overkill. (Bhairitu shows his ignorance about copyright law in that simply putting the notice on any piece of text copyrights it for common law purposes, and an actual governmental form and fee to be paid is merely a more formal way to declare copyright, but it doesn't make copyrighting more protective, just more easily established as proof of date. Also, the copyright doesn't give the author ownership of the idea -- only the words it is embodied within.) As I've said, my only reason for copyrighting it was to date the idea for me personally -- not to secure some proprietary rights to the concept. BTW, did you know that Kepler's gig was creating charts for astrologers to use? It wasn't about plotting courses for safe traveling of ships. These statements pertain to astrology and to Kepler's efforts of only a couple hundred years ago. This is odd, when my whole essay is about humanity's take on the night skies 180,000 years ago. For Bhairitu to try to shore up astrology by name dropping Kepler -- a world class astronomer -- is petty at best and completely misses the subject. He seems to be trying to frame my essay as about astrology, when it clearly is the antithesis of astrology about which I am theorizing. Some day human beings may evolve where they understand the larger cycles of nature and how they express themselves in society than they do today. Here he seems to think I need education, and he tells me something that even ten-year olds already know; by this he sells me short and in fact this is a mild act of dressing me down, and I consider this an abusive debate tactic -- not to mention, AGAIN, that he's completely off the topic, since my theory is not that the cavemen were thinking about larger cycles, but instead that they were thinking about their past personal history that they knew very well and were using the night sky's star's positions as memory triggerers. Only in the broadest of usage can my essay be about larger cycles, because I am not speculating about if the ancients knew about larger cycles -- merely that they had a handy method right above their heads to use for a calandar - diary. It was the equivlent of taking a snapshot and putting it on the frig. Some astrologers believe that every time we go through heavy sunspot cycles society goes a bit nuts. This comment has me considering his mental health, because here he brings in sunspots and insanity, and I never mention sunspots or mental health at all. To me, his entire response - on the whole -- was non-responsive and trollish and an attempt to change the subject so he could appear knowledgeable and frame me as a trivial thinker in a field within which he is posing as a scholarly expert. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Bhairitu -- I'd say you've flat out been caught red-handed as a bullshitter. You put down my caveman night sky diary idea as trite... What? No harsh words for me? :-) I dismissed your essay as trite without even reading it. Sez Barry, trying *very* hard to get Edg to go after him, since his first attempt didn't work. snip Dude...you're trying to get into it with someone who doesn't think you're nearly as brilliant or unique as you think you are. Sorry, but Bhairitu said explicitly he wasn't beating up on Edg.
[FairfieldLife] Mahesh Yogi as Dark Yogi?
More Mahesh Dark Yogi accounts surface: (From TM-Free blog) ... I have to admit to being intrigued by his thoughts regarding forces'. I never speak about it, for fear of being branded a bit wacky, but I had an experiance years ago while sitting in a little group with Mahesh in Swizterland that forever had me wondering about things like those described by this guy. I was sitting there at close range watching Mahesh go on about something when his head very clearly took on the look of a beast. It shocked me to say the least. I was sitting next to a friend of mine (who later became a prominent Doctor in So. Cal). I turned to him and whispered did you see that?. He looked shaken himself and said I sure did. Did he look like an animal there for a minute?. It was something I never forgot and when things like this come up now, I read with a bit more interest than some.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever
You might like this article by Dennis Prager on the Genesis prediction and Israel and why conservative christians believe in a strong Israel: http://tiny.cc/pxnx5 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: If your question is serious, read the story of Joseph in Genesis. Then substitute Jesus for Joseph and Joseph's brothers for the Jewish people, (really the Pharisees). Many students of prophecy believe that the Old Testament is the truth concealed and the New Testament is the Truth revealed. Both stories parallel each other very closely. Example, Joseph is sold into slavery by his jealous brothers for 30 pieces of silver. Joseph is falsely accused and thrown in prison but rises up to sit at the right hand of Pharaoh. Joseph's brothers realize and confess their sin against their father and brother. Joseph forgives them, seeing the greater divine plan, then brings his whole family into Egypt, saving them from famine and death, where they enjoy great prosperity. From: do.rflex do.rf...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 3:52:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: This is the reason why this city could be the cause of Armageddon, the next world war. It is likely that the US would be on the side of Israel since there are still fundamentalist Christians who believe that this war will be between the forces of good and evil, thus leading to the Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture. What do these fundamentalist Christians say is going to happen to the Jews who don't accept Jesus as their Savior? Also, there is a fairly strong Jewish influence in the US which will lobby the politicians to support the Israeli cause. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: If your question is serious, read the story of Joseph in Genesis. Then substitute Jesus for Joseph and Joseph's brothers for the Jewish people, (really the Pharisees). Many students of prophecy believe that the Old Testament is the truth concealed and the New Testament is the Truth revealed. Both stories parallel each other very closely. Example, Joseph is sold into slavery by his jealous brothers for 30 pieces of silver. Joseph is falsely accused and thrown in prison but rises up to sit at the right hand of Pharaoh. Joseph's brothers realize and confess their sin against their father and brother. Joseph forgives them, seeing the greater divine plan, then brings his whole family into Egypt, saving them from famine and death, where they enjoy great prosperity. Not the same at all, Mike. Try again. From: do.rflex do.rf...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 3:52:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: This is the reason why this city could be the cause of Armageddon, the next world war. It is likely that the US would be on the side of Israel since there are still fundamentalist Christians who believe that this war will be between the forces of good and evil, thus leading to the Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture. What do these fundamentalist Christians say is going to happen to the Jews who don't accept Jesus as their Savior? Also, there is a fairly strong Jewish influence in the US which will lobby the politicians to support the Israeli cause. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever
The fate of the Jews: Uri Avnery, is the leader of Gush Shalom, an Israeli peace group. He was discussing the theology of many Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christians in a 2002-JUN essay, and wrote: According to its theological beliefs, the Jews must congregate in Palestine and establish a Jewish state on all its territory so as to make the Second Coming of Jesus Christ possible... the evangelists don't like to dwell openly on what comes next: before the coming [of the Messiah], the Jews must convert to Christianity. Those who don't will perish in a gigantic holocaust in the battle of Armageddon. This is basically an anti-Semitic teaching... 1 This teaching implies that Jews who remain true to God's covenants in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) will be all exterminated in a massive genocide that may be more numerous than the Nazi Holocaust. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_isra.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote: You might like this article by Dennis Prager on the Genesis prediction and Israel and why conservative christians believe in a strong Israel: http://tiny.cc/pxnx5 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: If your question is serious, read the story of Joseph in Genesis. Then substitute Jesus for Joseph and Joseph's brothers for the Jewish people, (really the Pharisees). Many students of prophecy believe that the Old Testament is the truth concealed and the New Testament is the Truth revealed. Both stories parallel each other very closely. Example, Joseph is sold into slavery by his jealous brothers for 30 pieces of silver. Joseph is falsely accused and thrown in prison but rises up to sit at the right hand of Pharaoh. Joseph's brothers realize and confess their sin against their father and brother. Joseph forgives them, seeing the greater divine plan, then brings his whole family into Egypt, saving them from famine and death, where they enjoy great prosperity. From: do.rflex do.rflex@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 3:52:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: This is the reason why this city could be the cause of Armageddon, the next world war. It is likely that the US would be on the side of Israel since there are still fundamentalist Christians who believe that this war will be between the forces of good and evil, thus leading to the Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture. What do these fundamentalist Christians say is going to happen to the Jews who don't accept Jesus as their Savior? Also, there is a fairly strong Jewish influence in the US which will lobby the politicians to support the Israeli cause. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever
On May 15, 2010, at 10:11 AM, do.rflex wrote: The fate of the Jews: Uri Avnery, is the leader of Gush Shalom, an Israeli peace group. He was discussing the theology of many Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christians in a 2002-JUN essay, and wrote: According to its theological beliefs, the Jews must congregate in Palestine and establish a Jewish state on all its territory so as to make the Second Coming of Jesus Christ possible... the evangelists don't like to dwell openly on what comes next: before the coming [of the Messiah], the Jews must convert to Christianity. Those who don't will perish in a gigantic holocaust in the battle of Armageddon. This is basically an anti-Semitic teaching... 1 Sayonara, everyone! :) This teaching implies that Jews who remain true to God's covenants in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) will be all exterminated in a massive genocide that may be more numerous than the Nazi Holocaust. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_isra.htm You know, there may be one good way to determine if the idiots that say they believe in this stuff really do--do they generally have their boys circumcised? If so, if any of them do really, then they are on their way to becoming (gasp!) Jewish, and presumably no amount of conversion later could erase that tiny (not to get personal or anything) fact. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: A new theory about how astronomy was used by the ancients.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Judy, Here's Bhairitu's words: Don't bother copyrighting as the subject has been tackled by many authors. The use of the word, subject, indicates that he knows what the subject is: caveman night sky diary. No, the subject is how the ancients used what they saw in the night sky. He's saying there have been lots of *different ideas* about this. When I said earlier that I thought this is what he meant, he agreed that it was. He thought you were considering copyrighting your idea so nobody could steal it; and he says you shouldn't bother because nobody would try to steal yours. They'd just come up with their own. This is my last post on this issue. Talk about making mountains out of molehills!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever
Of course you want to see Israel and the Jews thrive and prosper --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: The fate of the Jews: Uri Avnery, is the leader of Gush Shalom, an Israeli peace group. He was discussing the theology of many Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christians in a 2002-JUN essay, and wrote: According to its theological beliefs, the Jews must congregate in Palestine and establish a Jewish state on all its territory so as to make the Second Coming of Jesus Christ possible... the evangelists don't like to dwell openly on what comes next: before the coming [of the Messiah], the Jews must convert to Christianity. Those who don't will perish in a gigantic holocaust in the battle of Armageddon. This is basically an anti-Semitic teaching... 1 This teaching implies that Jews who remain true to God's covenants in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) will be all exterminated in a massive genocide that may be more numerous than the Nazi Holocaust. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_isra.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: You might like this article by Dennis Prager on the Genesis prediction and Israel and why conservative christians believe in a strong Israel: http://tiny.cc/pxnx5 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: If your question is serious, read the story of Joseph in Genesis. Then substitute Jesus for Joseph and Joseph's brothers for the Jewish people, (really the Pharisees). Many students of prophecy believe that the Old Testament is the truth concealed and the New Testament is the Truth revealed. Both stories parallel each other very closely. Example, Joseph is sold into slavery by his jealous brothers for 30 pieces of silver. Joseph is falsely accused and thrown in prison but rises up to sit at the right hand of Pharaoh. Joseph's brothers realize and confess their sin against their father and brother. Joseph forgives them, seeing the greater divine plan, then brings his whole family into Egypt, saving them from famine and death, where they enjoy great prosperity. From: do.rflex do.rflex@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 3:52:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: This is the reason why this city could be the cause of Armageddon, the next world war. It is likely that the US would be on the side of Israel since there are still fundamentalist Christians who believe that this war will be between the forces of good and evil, thus leading to the Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture. What do these fundamentalist Christians say is going to happen to the Jews who don't accept Jesus as their Savior? Also, there is a fairly strong Jewish influence in the US which will lobby the politicians to support the Israeli cause. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote: Of course you want to see Israel and the Jews thrive and prosper Sure, just as much as I want to see the Palestinians thrive and prosper. Fair, just and equal status for each under international law seems the right thing to me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: The fate of the Jews: Uri Avnery, is the leader of Gush Shalom, an Israeli peace group. He was discussing the theology of many Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christians in a 2002-JUN essay, and wrote: According to its theological beliefs, the Jews must congregate in Palestine and establish a Jewish state on all its territory so as to make the Second Coming of Jesus Christ possible... the evangelists don't like to dwell openly on what comes next: before the coming [of the Messiah], the Jews must convert to Christianity. Those who don't will perish in a gigantic holocaust in the battle of Armageddon. This is basically an anti-Semitic teaching... 1 This teaching implies that Jews who remain true to God's covenants in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) will be all exterminated in a massive genocide that may be more numerous than the Nazi Holocaust. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_isra.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: You might like this article by Dennis Prager on the Genesis prediction and Israel and why conservative christians believe in a strong Israel: http://tiny.cc/pxnx5 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: If your question is serious, read the story of Joseph in Genesis. Then substitute Jesus for Joseph and Joseph's brothers for the Jewish people, (really the Pharisees). Many students of prophecy believe that the Old Testament is the truth concealed and the New Testament is the Truth revealed. Both stories parallel each other very closely. Example, Joseph is sold into slavery by his jealous brothers for 30 pieces of silver. Joseph is falsely accused and thrown in prison but rises up to sit at the right hand of Pharaoh. Joseph's brothers realize and confess their sin against their father and brother. Joseph forgives them, seeing the greater divine plan, then brings his whole family into Egypt, saving them from famine and death, where they enjoy great prosperity. From: do.rflex do.rflex@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 3:52:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: This is the reason why this city could be the cause of Armageddon, the next world war. It is likely that the US would be on the side of Israel since there are still fundamentalist Christians who believe that this war will be between the forces of good and evil, thus leading to the Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture. What do these fundamentalist Christians say is going to happen to the Jews who don't accept Jesus as their Savior? Also, there is a fairly strong Jewish influence in the US which will lobby the politicians to support the Israeli cause. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M
[FairfieldLife] The Start of Yoga in America
Home Author shows yoga owes debt to forgotten Iowa man Yoga owes its American popularity not to some mystic Indian swami but rather to the toil a century ago of a forgotten white man from Iowa once infamous in the tabloids for his insatiable sexual appetite. That is the revelation of The Great Oom: The Improbable Birth of Yoga in America, a book telling the unlikely tale of Pierre Bernard -- born Perry Baker in Leon, Iowa -- who started to popularize hatha yoga in America a century ago with the help of the Vanderbilts. These days some 20 million Americans practice yoga, but few have heard of Bernard -- once infamous in the yellow press which derided him as Oom the Omnipotent and at one time as well known as circus pioneer P.T. Barnum. Yoga was here in America in almost the exact form that we know it today 100 years ago and this fellow with a loose reputation from the middle of the country was the one who made it popular, author Robert Love said in an interview about his book. This is the first book that has made the case for Bernard's importance in the history of yoga. Love paints a fascinating picture of the struggle to make the now popular regimen of exercise and meditation acceptable. Bernard promoted yoga, as well as freedom of sexual expression and women's liberation, at a time when America's social mores were strict and repressed. He made yoga safe for Americans and made America safe for yoga, Love said, adding that in the first couple of decades of the 20th century yoga was so far from mainstream society that it was nearly considered a crime to participate in it. SWAMIS AS SCHEMERS Yoga outfits, tights and revealing tops were scandalous. Coed exercise sessions were outrageous. Bernard gave tabloids plenty of fodder with his promiscuity and for his a penchant for free sex decades before the flower power era. He was accused of kidnapping young women for illicit sex and briefly spent time in jail on those charges, which were later dropped. Swamis were viewed as schemers who could hypnotize gullible Gilded Age heiresses out of fortunes. Because the practice was foreign and body-centered and was very, very non-Christian, it was difficult for many Americans to process, Love said. It was wildly weird. As Bernard promoted yoga in the early decades of the 20th century, the conventional wisdom was that a sinful wave of yoga ... was befalling and harming American women. The Orient was thought of as exotic and even a bit sinful and sexy, Love said. Bernard's Clarkstown Country Club in Nyack, New York, a suburb of New York City up the Hudson River, became America's first ashram. The yogi also trained heavyweight boxer Lou Nova, was a circus ringleader, and the owner of a baseball team. It was the Nyack connection that drew Love, who has taken yoga classes but is neither an expert or devotee, to Bernard. Like all good stories of the last 10 years it starts with real estate, Love said. Love and his wife bought a stone cottage overlooking the Hudson River and found it had mystical symbols carved into it. His curiosity led to an investigation into what those symbols meant and to learning about America's first ashram down the hill from his new home. I am just a journalist who stumbled upon a great story in my own house, said Love, who spent seven years researching the book with assistance from his wife. When Bernard's success peaked in the roaring 20s yoga was a niche hobby among the fashionable and elite. It was boosted by its popularity among Hollywood stars in the 1930s and finally gained mainstream U.S. acceptance in the hippie movements of the 1960s, after Bernard's death in 1955. If Bernard is a forgotten figure, it is because he was simply too controversial for the yoga community, Love said. When you have a guy who purports to be a holy man and he has another side to him that loves money and fine things, people don't know what to do with it, Love said. We want our gurus and holy men to be straight from central casting. Bernard was so unique, so fiercely idiosyncratic in his beliefs and in his life that he got lost. (Editing by Daniel Trotta and Patricia Reaney)
[FairfieldLife] The Start of Yoga in America
Home Author shows yoga owes debt to forgotten Iowa man Yoga owes its American popularity not to some mystic Indian swami but rather to the toil a century ago of a forgotten white man from Iowa once infamous in the tabloids for his insatiable sexual appetite. That is the revelation of The Great Oom: The Improbable Birth of Yoga in America, a book telling the unlikely tale of Pierre Bernard -- born Perry Baker in Leon, Iowa -- who started to popularize hatha yoga in America a century ago with the help of the Vanderbilts. These days some 20 million Americans practice yoga, but few have heard of Bernard -- once infamous in the yellow press which derided him as Oom the Omnipotent and at one time as well known as circus pioneer P.T. Barnum. Yoga was here in America in almost the exact form that we know it today 100 years ago and this fellow with a loose reputation from the middle of the country was the one who made it popular, author Robert Love said in an interview about his book. This is the first book that has made the case for Bernard's importance in the history of yoga. Love paints a fascinating picture of the struggle to make the now popular regimen of exercise and meditation acceptable. Bernard promoted yoga, as well as freedom of sexual expression and women's liberation, at a time when America's social mores were strict and repressed. He made yoga safe for Americans and made America safe for yoga, Love said, adding that in the first couple of decades of the 20th century yoga was so far from mainstream society that it was nearly considered a crime to participate in it. SWAMIS AS SCHEMERS Yoga outfits, tights and revealing tops were scandalous. Coed exercise sessions were outrageous. Bernard gave tabloids plenty of fodder with his promiscuity and for his a penchant for free sex decades before the flower power era. He was accused of kidnapping young women for illicit sex and briefly spent time in jail on those charges, which were later dropped. Swamis were viewed as schemers who could hypnotize gullible Gilded Age heiresses out of fortunes. Because the practice was foreign and body-centered and was very, very non-Christian, it was difficult for many Americans to process, Love said. It was wildly weird. As Bernard promoted yoga in the early decades of the 20th century, the conventional wisdom was that a sinful wave of yoga ... was befalling and harming American women. The Orient was thought of as exotic and even a bit sinful and sexy, Love said. Bernard's Clarkstown Country Club in Nyack, New York, a suburb of New York City up the Hudson River, became America's first ashram. The yogi also trained heavyweight boxer Lou Nova, was a circus ringleader, and the owner of a baseball team. It was the Nyack connection that drew Love, who has taken yoga classes but is neither an expert or devotee, to Bernard. Like all good stories of the last 10 years it starts with real estate, Love said. Love and his wife bought a stone cottage overlooking the Hudson River and found it had mystical symbols carved into it. His curiosity led to an investigation into what those symbols meant and to learning about America's first ashram down the hill from his new home. I am just a journalist who stumbled upon a great story in my own house, said Love, who spent seven years researching the book with assistance from his wife. When Bernard's success peaked in the roaring 20s yoga was a niche hobby among the fashionable and elite. It was boosted by its popularity among Hollywood stars in the 1930s and finally gained mainstream U.S. acceptance in the hippie movements of the 1960s, after Bernard's death in 1955. If Bernard is a forgotten figure, it is because he was simply too controversial for the yoga community, Love said. When you have a guy who purports to be a holy man and he has another side to him that loves money and fine things, people don't know what to do with it, Love said. We want our gurus and holy men to be straight from central casting. Bernard was so unique, so fiercely idiosyncratic in his beliefs and in his life that he got lost. (Editing by Daniel Trotta and Patricia Reaney)
[FairfieldLife] Getting better with age: Clint Eastwood and Transcendental Meditation
Getting better with age: Clint Eastwood and Transcendental Meditation http://www.blogher.com/user/66370May 14, 2010 4:56 am by jkblair http://www.blogher.com/member/jkblair in http://www.blogher.com/taxonomy/term/ * * Share * [Delicious] Delicious http://del.icio.us/post?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogher.com%2Fgetting-bett\ er-age-clint-eastwood-and-transcendental-meditationtitle= * [Digg] Digg http://digg.com/submit?phase=2url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogher.com%2Fgetti\ ng-better-age-clint-eastwood-and-transcendental-meditationtitle= * [StumbleUpon] StumbleUpon http://www.stumbleupon.com/submit?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogher.com%2Fge\ tting-better-age-clint-eastwood-and-transcendental-meditationtitle= * [Facebook] Facebook http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogher.com%2Fget\ ting-better-age-clint-eastwood-and-transcendental-meditationt= * [Google] Google http://www.google.com/bookmarks/mark?op=addbkmk=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogh\ er.com%2Fgetting-better-age-clint-eastwood-and-transcendental-meditation\ title= * [Yahoo] Yahoo http://myweb2.search.yahoo.com/myresults/bookmarklet?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww\ .blogher.com%2Fgetting-better-age-clint-eastwood-and-transcendental-medi\ tationt= * Email http://www.blogher.com/forward?path=node/288070 by Mario Orsatti http://www.tm.org/blog/author/mario-orsatti/ on May 12, 2010 [Post image for Getting better with age: Clint Eastwood and Transcendental Meditation] People who age well are an inspirationespecially for me since I just turned 60. Clint Eastwood is certainly a prime example. At 62-years-old, Mr. Eastwood won his first Oscar for the film, Unforgiven http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbtHohnjDdM . Then, as many film-making professionals believe, he only got stronger and better with age, going on a stunning run of creative successes. Eastwood is now 79, and since his first Oscar he has made 15 moviesthree of which have been nominated for Best Picture. (His most recent movie, Invictus, had two Academy-Award nominations.) Mr. Eastwood has also been nominated for Best Director or Best Actor four additional times. And he often collaborates on the music for his films. Of course I like to think that his Transcendental Meditation practice has had something to do with it. In a recent issue of GQ magazine http://www.gq.com/entertainment/men-of-the-year/2009/badass/clint-eastw\ ood-legend-invictus-director?currentPage=1 Clint Eastwood was asked about his TM practice. Do you still meditate? Twice a day. How does that work for you? It works great. I'm religious about it when I'm working. I believe in whatever self-help you can give yourself . So meditation with me was just a self-reliant thing. I've been doing it almost forty years. Eastwood went public in the 1970s about his daily TM routine when he appeared on the Merv Griffin Show with the founder of the Transcendental Meditation program, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi http://www.tm.org/maharishi . He's quietly kept enjoying his daily TM practice ever since. I think it's amazing how many people practice Transcendental Meditation every day, year after year. I think I know how they feel, and why they spend the time transcending every daybecause it makes them feel more alive, more together, and better able to keep going and growing. It reminds me of something Maharishi wrote in his book, The Science of Being and Art of Living: Expansion of happiness is the purpose of life, and evolution is the process through which it is fulfilled . `If one is not happy, one has lost the very purpose of life. If one not constantly developing his intelligence, power, creativity, peace and happiness, then he has lost the very purpose of life. Life is not meant to be lived in dullness, idleness, and suffering; these do not belong to the essential nature of life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh Yogi as Dark Yogi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: More Mahesh Dark Yogi accounts surface: (From TM-Free blog) ... I have to admit to being intrigued by his thoughts regarding forces'. I never speak about it, for fear of being branded a bit wacky, but I had an experiance years ago while sitting in a little group with Mahesh in Swizterland that forever had me wondering about things like those described by this guy. I was sitting there at close range watching Mahesh go on about something when his head very clearly took on the look of a beast. It shocked me to say the least. I was sitting next to a friend of mine (who later became a prominent Doctor in So. Cal). I turned to him and whispered did you see that?. He looked shaken himself and said I sure did. Did he look like an animal there for a minute?. It was something I never forgot and when things like this come up now, I read with a bit more interest than some. Simple; what he saw was one of the numerous Rakshasas He destroyed on almost a daily basis.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A new theory about how astronomy was used by the ancients.
Judy, Hmmm, seems to me I deconstructed his post, and you are purposefully ignoring the issues I illustrated. In fact, you're being downright Barryesque in that you snip off many of my comments -- seemingly because I scored points with them -- and that just wouldn't do now would it? He made a statement that he cannot back up, and now here's you defending a bullshitter by using the same troll tactics of Barry -- including his I'm not going to talk about this ploy -- shame on your hypocrisy. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Judy, Here's Bhairitu's words: Don't bother copyrighting as the subject has been tackled by many authors. The use of the word, subject, indicates that he knows what the subject is: caveman night sky diary. No, the subject is how the ancients used what they saw in the night sky. He's saying there have been lots of *different ideas* about this. When I said earlier that I thought this is what he meant, he agreed that it was. He thought you were considering copyrighting your idea so nobody could steal it; and he says you shouldn't bother because nobody would try to steal yours. They'd just come up with their own. This is my last post on this issue. Talk about making mountains out of molehills!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pole Dancing Championship (two versions)
Hey do they still conduct the Yogic-Flying championships, Or is it Vedic Olympics.?? I forgot. --- On Sat, 5/15/10, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Pole Dancing Championship (two versions) Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 2:31 AM Since I have been criticized by Buck for posting photos or links to videos that raise his...uh...libido but lower his consciousness, and that he considers... uh...rude, I have decided to start my week with a post made safer for the sexually repressed among us by offering it in two versions. Both links below are dance videos. Neither contains any nudity. Both contain dazzling feats of athletic ability that most people on this forum would be unable to perform without giving themselves a heart attack. Safe For Prudes version http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Tnmy7wyXCJI Safe For Adults version http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=5gGpAriVywYaia=true brought to you by
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finger Wagger in Chief
I will not tolerate more finger-pointing...
[FairfieldLife] Re: A new theory about how astronomy was used by the ancients.
Duveyoung: He made a statement that he cannot back up... Apparently you don't get it Edg - nobody wants to discuss Astrology with you because you and Barry are not Astrologers, in fact you are both flamers. Get some smarts - if you can't find something common to discuss, just keep your pie-hole shut, or talk about Advaita Vedanta - something you believe in. But, in fact many of your ideas have already been discussed on Usenet - you need to get up to speed if you're going to dialog with the Jyotish Pundits. 'Stars of India' Recent travels in India. by Peter Holt Mainstream, 1998 'Astrology of the Seers' A modern classic describing general Indian Astrology. by David Frawley 'Beneath a Vedic Sky' One of the best books concerning Jyotish by a teacher of TM. Includes CD. by William Levacy (Available from 21st Century Books in Fairfield) Hmmm, seems to me I deconstructed his post, and you are purposefully ignoring the issues I illustrated. In fact, you're being downright Barryesque in that you snip off many of my comments -- seemingly because I scored points with them -- and that just wouldn't do now would it? He made a statement that he cannot back up, and now here's you defending a bullshitter by using the same troll tactics of Barry -- including his I'm not going to talk about this ploy -- shame on your hypocrisy. Here's Bhairitu's words: Don't bother copyrighting as the subject has been tackled by many authors. The use of the word, subject, indicates that he knows what the subject is: caveman night sky diary. No, the subject is how the ancients used what they saw in the night sky. He's saying there have been lots of *different ideas* about this. When I said earlier that I thought this is what he meant, he agreed that it was. He thought you were considering copyrighting your idea so nobody could steal it; and he says you shouldn't bother because nobody would try to steal yours. They'd just come up with their own. This is my last post on this issue. Talk about making mountains out of molehills!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever
The entire conflict in the Middle East and elsewhere in the world can be summed up to the answer of this question: Who are the children of God? The Jew, Arab, and Christian (we can include all the other sects worldwide) believe that he or she has the one true religion. Therefore, each of them believe that he or she is the true child of God. As such, they fight and kill each other for the sake of their religion. Unfortuantely, they fail to see the grand scale of the universe or the cosmos, and even the infinite other universes that may exist. In short, they fail to understand the meaning of the Sermon on the Mount: Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: The fate of the Jews: Uri Avnery, is the leader of Gush Shalom, an Israeli peace group. He was discussing the theology of many Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christians in a 2002-JUN essay, and wrote: According to its theological beliefs, the Jews must congregate in Palestine and establish a Jewish state on all its territory so as to make the Second Coming of Jesus Christ possible... the evangelists don't like to dwell openly on what comes next: before the coming [of the Messiah], the Jews must convert to Christianity. Those who don't will perish in a gigantic holocaust in the battle of Armageddon. This is basically an anti-Semitic teaching... 1 This teaching implies that Jews who remain true to God's covenants in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) will be all exterminated in a massive genocide that may be more numerous than the Nazi Holocaust. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_isra.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: You might like this article by Dennis Prager on the Genesis prediction and Israel and why conservative christians believe in a strong Israel: http://tiny.cc/pxnx5 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: If your question is serious, read the story of Joseph in Genesis. Then substitute Jesus for Joseph and Joseph's brothers for the Jewish people, (really the Pharisees). Many students of prophecy believe that the Old Testament is the truth concealed and the New Testament is the Truth revealed. Both stories parallel each other very closely. Example, Joseph is sold into slavery by his jealous brothers for 30 pieces of silver. Joseph is falsely accused and thrown in prison but rises up to sit at the right hand of Pharaoh. Joseph's brothers realize and confess their sin against their father and brother. Joseph forgives them, seeing the greater divine plan, then brings his whole family into Egypt, saving them from famine and death, where they enjoy great prosperity. From: do.rflex do.rflex@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 3:52:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: This is the reason why this city could be the cause of Armageddon, the next world war. It is likely that the US would be on the side of Israel since there are still fundamentalist Christians who believe that this war will be between the forces of good and evil, thus leading to the Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture. What do these fundamentalist Christians say is going to happen to the Jews who don't accept Jesus as their Savior? Also, there is a fairly strong Jewish influence in the US which will lobby the politicians to support the Israeli cause. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M
[FairfieldLife] The dispelling of darkness by The Goddess and Her Disciples, the Masters
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: It was something I never forgot and when things like this come up now, I read with a bit more interest than some. Simple; what he saw was one of the numerous Rakshasas He destroyed on almost a daily basis. Maharishi would devour Rakshasas using intricate and dangerous procedures which would necessitate to draw them physically close. Mother Kali does this continually and eternally ofcourse but on a much grander scale. Some great Masters, Her Disciples, do the same thing for the benefit on mankind albeit on a much smaller scale. Only Masters of the highest order practise these ageold cleansing of the collective consciousness on behalf of mankind. There are very good reasons for this, reasons we could dwell on at a later point. Naturally, Maharishi, As one with the Goddess, was able to do this with the blessings and in the name of His Divinity Brahmananda Saraswati. Sometimes sensitive persons, physically close to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would get a glimpse into this cosmic battle, a play of consciousness on behalf of God on earth, Her Lila, in Maharishis presence. A few got scared witnesseing this. The older souls were filled with Bliss. Consider it a Blessing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A new theory about how astronomy was used by the ancients.
I'm talking about the opposite of astrology. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Duveyoung: He made a statement that he cannot back up... Apparently you don't get it Edg - nobody wants to discuss Astrology with you because you and Barry are not Astrologers, in fact you are both flamers. Get some smarts - if you can't find something common to discuss, just keep your pie-hole shut, or talk about Advaita Vedanta - something you believe in. But, in fact many of your ideas have already been discussed on Usenet - you need to get up to speed if you're going to dialog with the Jyotish Pundits. 'Stars of India' Recent travels in India. by Peter Holt Mainstream, 1998 'Astrology of the Seers' A modern classic describing general Indian Astrology. by David Frawley 'Beneath a Vedic Sky' One of the best books concerning Jyotish by a teacher of TM. Includes CD. by William Levacy (Available from 21st Century Books in Fairfield) Hmmm, seems to me I deconstructed his post, and you are purposefully ignoring the issues I illustrated. In fact, you're being downright Barryesque in that you snip off many of my comments -- seemingly because I scored points with them -- and that just wouldn't do now would it? He made a statement that he cannot back up, and now here's you defending a bullshitter by using the same troll tactics of Barry -- including his I'm not going to talk about this ploy -- shame on your hypocrisy. Here's Bhairitu's words: Don't bother copyrighting as the subject has been tackled by many authors. The use of the word, subject, indicates that he knows what the subject is: caveman night sky diary. No, the subject is how the ancients used what they saw in the night sky. He's saying there have been lots of *different ideas* about this. When I said earlier that I thought this is what he meant, he agreed that it was. He thought you were considering copyrighting your idea so nobody could steal it; and he says you shouldn't bother because nobody would try to steal yours. They'd just come up with their own. This is my last post on this issue. Talk about making mountains out of molehills!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever
I don't doubt that is what Uri Avnery believes, as most Jews believe, because that is what most Christian theologians believed and have been teaching for two thousand years. It's called *replacement theology*,Christians believed they replace the Jews as the *chosen people*. However, times and thinking have changed dramatically in recent decades since the *fig tree* has begun to bud.Christians have been dropping replacement theology like a hot potato because it is not Biblical. Again, read, better yet, study the story of Joseph, it is all there in far greater detail than I could possibly go into here. Joseph, betrayed by his brothers, saves the day for all of them, just as Christ saves the day for all the Jews, not just Jewish believers, from total destruction.At that time, the Jews will accept him as their messiah, not knowing it is Jesus until he reveals the scars in his hands, feet and side, just as Joseph revealed his circumcision to prove he was his brother's brother.At that time, the *scales* that blinded the eyes of the Jewish people to the identity of Christ, as it did with Saul of Tarsus, will be removed and there will be a great healing/ awakening between Christ, the church and the Jewish people, as it was when Joseph revealed his true identity to his brothers. John , you're still thinking in old, out dated, theological teaching, regarding the Christian faith, as many still do. The Bible teaches that when the Messiah comes, Jews and Gentiles will be united together as one. The Gentiles will be grafted into the tree of Abraham through the church. Of course, until it all happens, it is a matter of faith. From: do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 8:11:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever The fate of the Jews: Uri Avnery, is the leader of Gush Shalom, an Israeli peace group. He was discussing the theology of many Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christians in a 2002-JUN essay, and wrote: According to its theological beliefs, the Jews must congregate in Palestine and establish a Jewish state on all its territory so as to make the Second Coming of Jesus Christ possible... the evangelists don't like to dwell openly on what comes next: before the coming [of the Messiah], the Jews must convert to Christianity. Those who don't will perish in a gigantic holocaust in the battle of Armageddon. This is basically an anti-Semitic teaching... 1 This teaching implies that Jews who remain true to God's covenants in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) will be all exterminated in a massive genocide that may be more numerous than the Nazi Holocaust. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_isra.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote: You might like this article by Dennis Prager on the Genesis prediction and Israel and why conservative christians believe in a strong Israel: http://tiny.cc/pxnx5 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: If your question is serious, read the story of Joseph in Genesis. Then substitute Jesus for Joseph and Joseph's brothers for the Jewish people, (really the Pharisees). Many students of prophecy believe that the Old Testament is the truth concealed and the New Testament is the Truth revealed. Both stories parallel each other very closely. Example, Joseph is sold into slavery by his jealous brothers for 30 pieces of silver. Joseph is falsely accused and thrown in prison but rises up to sit at the right hand of Pharaoh. Joseph's brothers realize and confess their sin against their father and brother. Joseph forgives them, seeing the greater divine plan, then brings his whole family into Egypt, saving them from famine and death, where they enjoy great prosperity. From: do.rflex do.rflex@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 3:52:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: This is the reason why this city could be the cause of Armageddon, the next world war. It is likely that the US would be on the side of Israel since there are still fundamentalist Christians who believe that this war will be between the forces of good and evil, thus leading to the Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture. What do these fundamentalist Christians say is going to happen to the Jews who don't accept Jesus as their Savior? Also, there is a fairly strong Jewish influence in the US which will lobby the politicians to support the Israeli cause. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M
RE: [FairfieldLife] The dispelling of darkness by The Goddess and Her Disciples, the Masters
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 1:27 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] The dispelling of darkness by The Goddess and Her Disciples, the Masters --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: It was something I never forgot and when things like this come up now, I read with a bit more interest than some. Simple; what he saw was one of the numerous Rakshasas He destroyed on almost a daily basis. Maharishi would devour Rakshasas using intricate and dangerous procedures which would necessitate to draw them physically close. Mother Kali does this continually and eternally ofcourse but on a much grander scale. Some great Masters, Her Disciples, do the same thing for the benefit on mankind albeit on a much smaller scale. Only Masters of the highest order practise these ageold cleansing of the collective consciousness on behalf of mankind. There are very good reasons for this, reasons we could dwell on at a later point. Naturally, Maharishi, As one with the Goddess, was able to do this with the blessings and in the name of His Divinity Brahmananda Saraswati. Sometimes sensitive persons, physically close to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would get a glimpse into this cosmic battle, a play of consciousness on behalf of God on earth, Her Lila, in Maharishis presence. A few got scared witnesseing this. The older souls were filled with Bliss. Consider it a Blessing. Is this a theory you made up or are you one of the older souls who were filled with Bliss as you experienced it directly? Please elaborate on the intricate and dangerous procedures.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new theory about how astronomy was used by the ancients.
WillyTex wrote: Duveyoung: He made a statement that he cannot back up... Apparently you don't get it Edg - nobody wants to discuss Astrology with you because you and Barry are not Astrologers, in fact you are both flamers. Get some smarts - if you can't find something common to discuss, just keep your pie-hole shut, or talk about Advaita Vedanta - something you believe in. But, in fact many of your ideas have already been discussed on Usenet - you need to get up to speed if you're going to dialog with the Jyotish Pundits. 'Stars of India' Recent travels in India. by Peter Holt Mainstream, 1998 'Astrology of the Seers' A modern classic describing general Indian Astrology. by David Frawley 'Beneath a Vedic Sky' One of the best books concerning Jyotish by a teacher of TM. Includes CD. by William Levacy (Available from 21st Century Books in Fairfield) Levacy was a TM teacher as was James Braha and a number of other authors on Jyotish. I hung out with many of these people including Frawley at ACVA (American Council of Vedic Astroogers) conferences back in the 1990s. Those were fun gatherings where you met many folks from a number of different paths even some who were still strongly involved in TM and very close to Maharishi. There would often be over 200 folks at these conferences. There were many guest astrologers from India. My first contact with this group when I called David Frawley at the recommendation of my ayurveda MD to get a reading. He told me he wasn't doing readings anymore but to take advantage of K N Rao being in the Bay Area that week for readings. So I called the number he gave and got a reading from Rao, a very accomplished and well known Indian astrologer. Dennis Harness who headed up ACVA invited me to attend the weekend seminar with Rao at the San Rafael Embassy Suites. So I booked a room there since I didn't want to deal with driving the 40 or so miles and it turned out to be a good idea as Rao kept chatting way into the evenings in his room. That workshop was filled with many advanced astrologers from the west and it was specifically about the Jaimini Sutras and system of astrology. I was very green about astrology and didn't even know what signs each planet owned. But I waded through and understood many of the concepts. The real value was making a bunch of new friends from all over the world. ACVA hosted a couple more symposiums in San Rafael where Harness lived for a couple more years and then when he moved to Sedona where for a couple more years they were hosted in Del Mar near San Diego. Then I attended one in Sedona and by then it was mainly for beginners. The 1990s were a great time and many folks had expendable income so air trips even to Phoenix were cheap and so the symposiums were well attended. In 2002 along with tantra teacher Swami Abhayanand visited an Ayurvedic symposium on the Berkeley campus. It was well attended and I got to see some of my old chums from AVCA and introduce them to Swami. I recall seeing a throng following a young lady to the expo hall for a book signing. The young lady? Naomi Campbell who was very into ayurveda. The next year Swami signed up for a table at the expo. But that conference was poorly attended and lost money. They blamed the new TSA rules that made people uncomfortable with airline flying. And by the early 00's I was beginning to see a downturn in such things as new age stores in the area closed. Open Secret bookstore in San Rafael is still open and I have many fond memories of hanging out with jyotish friends there for weekend workshops with Chakrapani, Hart DeFouw and Robert Svododa in the 1990s.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new theory about how astronomy was used by the ancients.
Astrology uses astronomy, Edg. Apparently you didn't get my point about many early astronomers, of whom Kepler was only one, made their living by preparing charts for astrologers. A serious astrologer knows some astronomy too. Duveyoung wrote: I'm talking about the opposite of astrology. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Duveyoung: He made a statement that he cannot back up... Apparently you don't get it Edg - nobody wants to discuss Astrology with you because you and Barry are not Astrologers, in fact you are both flamers. Get some smarts - if you can't find something common to discuss, just keep your pie-hole shut, or talk about Advaita Vedanta - something you believe in. But, in fact many of your ideas have already been discussed on Usenet - you need to get up to speed if you're going to dialog with the Jyotish Pundits. 'Stars of India' Recent travels in India. by Peter Holt Mainstream, 1998 'Astrology of the Seers' A modern classic describing general Indian Astrology. by David Frawley 'Beneath a Vedic Sky' One of the best books concerning Jyotish by a teacher of TM. Includes CD. by William Levacy (Available from 21st Century Books in Fairfield) Hmmm, seems to me I deconstructed his post, and you are purposefully ignoring the issues I illustrated. In fact, you're being downright Barryesque in that you snip off many of my comments -- seemingly because I scored points with them -- and that just wouldn't do now would it? He made a statement that he cannot back up, and now here's you defending a bullshitter by using the same troll tactics of Barry -- including his I'm not going to talk about this ploy -- shame on your hypocrisy. Here's Bhairitu's words: Don't bother copyrighting as the subject has been tackled by many authors. The use of the word, subject, indicates that he knows what the subject is: caveman night sky diary. No, the subject is how the ancients used what they saw in the night sky. He's saying there have been lots of *different ideas* about this. When I said earlier that I thought this is what he meant, he agreed that it was. He thought you were considering copyrighting your idea so nobody could steal it; and he says you shouldn't bother because nobody would try to steal yours. They'd just come up with their own. This is my last post on this issue. Talk about making mountains out of molehills!
[FairfieldLife] Re: A new theory about how astronomy was used by the ancients.
So fucking what? I'm talking about something quite different than any recent recorded relationships between astronomy and astrology. You are the one missing the point. And I know a ton about astronomy and the history of it including Kepler et al and how they futzed around with astrology. Kepler improved the methods of measuring the stars' positions, and it was a great boon to astrologers. But I'm talking about a diary in the sky, and you simply will not acknowledge that concept being unrelated to astrology's main intent -- divining personal karma from star positions. You seem to be sticking with your guns that my idea is not novel, yet you have not come up with one single previous reference thereto. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Astrology uses astronomy, Edg. Apparently you didn't get my point about many early astronomers, of whom Kepler was only one, made their living by preparing charts for astrologers. A serious astrologer knows some astronomy too. Duveyoung wrote: I'm talking about the opposite of astrology. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: Duveyoung: He made a statement that he cannot back up... Apparently you don't get it Edg - nobody wants to discuss Astrology with you because you and Barry are not Astrologers, in fact you are both flamers. Get some smarts - if you can't find something common to discuss, just keep your pie-hole shut, or talk about Advaita Vedanta - something you believe in. But, in fact many of your ideas have already been discussed on Usenet - you need to get up to speed if you're going to dialog with the Jyotish Pundits. 'Stars of India' Recent travels in India. by Peter Holt Mainstream, 1998 'Astrology of the Seers' A modern classic describing general Indian Astrology. by David Frawley 'Beneath a Vedic Sky' One of the best books concerning Jyotish by a teacher of TM. Includes CD. by William Levacy (Available from 21st Century Books in Fairfield) Hmmm, seems to me I deconstructed his post, and you are purposefully ignoring the issues I illustrated. In fact, you're being downright Barryesque in that you snip off many of my comments -- seemingly because I scored points with them -- and that just wouldn't do now would it? He made a statement that he cannot back up, and now here's you defending a bullshitter by using the same troll tactics of Barry -- including his I'm not going to talk about this ploy -- shame on your hypocrisy. Here's Bhairitu's words: Don't bother copyrighting as the subject has been tackled by many authors. The use of the word, subject, indicates that he knows what the subject is: caveman night sky diary. No, the subject is how the ancients used what they saw in the night sky. He's saying there have been lots of *different ideas* about this. When I said earlier that I thought this is what he meant, he agreed that it was. He thought you were considering copyrighting your idea so nobody could steal it; and he says you shouldn't bother because nobody would try to steal yours. They'd just come up with their own. This is my last post on this issue. Talk about making mountains out of molehills!
[FairfieldLife] Of Copyrights and Patents
I don't recall when I filed my first copyright. It might have been when I was in high school in the 1960s or when I wrote some songs I wanted protected in the early 1970s. Back then you paid around $6 and mailed your application, which could often be obtained at the post office, and get back a certificate with an official seal showing when your copyright was registered. If you published your work after first filing a copyright you had to file another form for the published work. Given the renaissance that went on in the early 1970s the office, being flooded with applications got the rules changed. There were also alternative ways which song writers who had a bunch of songs to copyright and not much money used and that was to put the sheet music of their songs in an envelope and have mail it back to themselves using registered mail. The idea was to have some record that they originated the work if infringed on. I recall in the late 1970s when Songwriter Magazine was running contests advice from songwriter Tom T. Hall that if anyone stole your work and you weren't famous you would know at least you were capable of writing hit material. I believe he mentioned this was a lesson he learned himself. The 1960s group I was in made the mistake of signing with a local unscrupulous record company. Three of us were under 21 and had to have our parents sign the recording (which of course they howled about). The company also had us sign a contract for our music and didn't require our parents sign it . The recording contract was good for a year and the company didn't renew it. The publishing contract was good for 7 years. A few years later one member had a record he'd made for AM climbing the charts. The owner of the record company went after AM for royalties and AM pulled the record. It never dawned on my that band member's folks never signed the publishing contract and that it was invalid. Over the years due to budget cuts copyrights have become easier. Computer software was another stupid mess as far as copyrights go. I recall the copyright office required something like the first and last 50 lines of code. Now this was the 1990s and given object oriented programming where a program is often broken files some not even 50 lines long what was the first 50 and the last 50 lines? So the rules changed again. These days if you publish something all you have to do is put a proper notice on your work. I believe you can still register formally but it not often necessary. Copyrights used to be only good for 17 years with one renewal allowed. Even as a copyright holder I believe that rule is good enough. But Disney seeing that even with the extended renewal periods that had been added over the years realized that Mickey Mouse was about to go out of copyright. So they collared Sonny Bono and got him to push through Digital Millennium Copyright Right act to protect ol' Mickey. It also instituted a lot of draconian rules including some which made fair use difficult. It faced one challenge and lost a few years ago but we aren't going to give up. BTW, Obama's new Supreme Court nominee is not very big on the DMCA and corporate ownership of the media. One point in her favor. http://thresq.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/05/kagan-supreme-court-hollywood.html Regarding patents, part of my job at a software company was to implement a patent program. I was resistant to it but the board of directors wanted it. My programmers hated it. After all it was hard enough to get them to comment their code a little so that other programmers could work on it let along keep a patent journal. Before I left the company one patent had been granted which made the programmer who came up with a little depressed as he thought as I did it was pretty much prior art. But you couldn't convince the clueless Patent Office of that. That institution was and still is hopelessly out of date. They grant patents to companies that given the problem it solves about any programmer would come up with because that is the way software works. One VERY BAD patent was granted to TiVo which is their time shifting patent. What is it? Well in a nut shell is simply the ability to read a file while it is still being written to. That's how your DVR timeshifts. When you record a show it writes the DTV stream to the hard drive (it's an MPEG-2 transport stream) and once open at any time you could start reading that file for playback on your TV. Now anyone who has written software knows that opening a file for writing and then reading it is inherent in most any programming language. It way predates the existence of TiVo. But the fatheads at TiVo want a monopoly on DVRs so go after companies making including Dish Network which has been having a splat with them for years: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20005031-260.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever
Of course you want to see Israel and the Jews thrive and prosper do.rflex Sure, just as much as I want to see the Palestinians thrive and prosper... No, John, we don't want to see the PLO and the Hamas 'thrive and prosper' - we want to see them prosecuted and brought to trial. The PLO and the Hamas are terrorist organizations. The PLO kidnapped and murdered eleven Israeli athletes at the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich. We do not want them to thrive and prosper.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: I don't doubt that is what Uri Avnery believes, as most Jews believe, because that is what most Christian theologians believed and have been teaching for two thousand years. It's called *replacement theology*,Christians believed they replace the Jews as the *chosen people*. However, times and thinking have changed dramatically in recent decades since the *fig tree* has begun to bud.Christians have been dropping replacement theology like a hot potato because it is not Biblical. Again, read, better yet, study the story of Joseph, it is all there in far greater detail than I could possibly go into here. Joseph, betrayed by his brothers, saves the day for all of them, just as Christ saves the day for all the Jews, not just Jewish believers, from total destruction. Who's to say all of that is anything more than a thousands of years old fable written by someone from a primitive desert tribe you've interpreted to comform to your own present day personal Christianist views, Mike? At that time, the Jews will accept him as their messiah, not knowing it is Jesus until he reveals the scars in his hands, feet and side, Where does it say that in the Bible, Mike?  just as Joseph revealed his circumcision to prove he was his brother's brother.At that time, the *scales* that blinded the eyes of the Jewish people to the identity of Christ, as it did with Saul of Tarsus, will be removed and there will be a great healing/ awakening between Christ, the church and the Jewish people, as it was when Joseph revealed his true identity to his brothers. Where is this comparison of scales being removed from the eyes of the Jewish people to be found in the Bible, Mike? John , you're still thinking in old, out dated, theological teaching, regarding the Christian faith, as many still do. The Bible teaches that when the Messiah comes, Jews and Gentiles will be united together as one. Where in the Bible does it clearly and specifically indicate that, when the Messiah comes, Jews and Gentiles will be united together as one? Who's to say YOUR views are right and other Christian's views are wrong? And... What if the Jews don't buy your personal interpretation of the Bible? Do you think they don't or won't have free choice? What do the Christianists say is going to happen to the Jews - or anyone else - who doesn't accept Jesus as their Savior? The Gentiles will be grafted into the tree of Abraham through the church. Of course, until it all happens, it is a matter of faith. __ __ From: do.rflex do.rf...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 8:11:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever  The fate of the Jews: Uri Avnery, is the leader of Gush Shalom, an Israeli peace group. He was discussing the theology of many Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christians in a 2002-JUN essay, and wrote: According to its theological beliefs, the Jews must congregate in Palestine and establish a Jewish state on all its territory so as to make the Second Coming of Jesus Christ possible... the evangelists don't like to dwell openly on what comes next: before the coming [of the Messiah], the Jews must convert to Christianity. Those who don't will perish in a gigantic holocaust in the battle of Armageddon. This is basically an anti-Semitic teaching... 1 This teaching implies that Jews who remain true to God's covenants in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) will be all exterminated in a massive genocide that may be more numerous than the Nazi Holocaust. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_isra.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: You might like this article by Dennis Prager on the Genesis prediction and Israel and why conservative christians believe in a strong Israel: http://tiny.cc/pxnx5 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: If your question is serious, read the story of Joseph in Genesis. Then substitute Jesus for Joseph and Joseph's brothers for the Jewish people, (really the Pharisees). Many students of prophecy believe that the Old Testament is the truth concealed and the New Testament is the Truth revealed. Both stories parallel each other very closely. Example, Joseph is sold into slavery by his jealous brothers for 30 pieces of silver. Joseph is falsely accused and thrown in prison but rises up to sit at the right hand of Pharaoh. Joseph's brothers realize and confess their sin against their father and brother. Joseph forgives them, seeing the greater divine plan, then brings his whole family into Egypt, saving them from famine and death, where they enjoy great prosperity. From: do.rflex
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new theory about how astronomy was used by the ancients.
Okay, since you know a ton about astronomy can you tell us how to calculate an planet's orbit? What terms and methods are available? How do you implement reading Chebyshev polynomials in software that can be read from the JPL ephemeris. Now no fair cheating and looking this stuff up because you know a ton about astronomy and should be able to answer off the top of your head. ;-) While we're at it how do you know for sure how ancients 190,000 years ago used astronomy? Or are you now a channeler for ancient astronomers? All I was doing was just jibing you a bit about the idea of copyrighting your sky diary. I could care less either way. But you sure do. Line on water, Edg. Duveyoung wrote: So fucking what? I'm talking about something quite different than any recent recorded relationships between astronomy and astrology. You are the one missing the point. And I know a ton about astronomy and the history of it including Kepler et al and how they futzed around with astrology. Kepler improved the methods of measuring the stars' positions, and it was a great boon to astrologers. But I'm talking about a diary in the sky, and you simply will not acknowledge that concept being unrelated to astrology's main intent -- divining personal karma from star positions. You seem to be sticking with your guns that my idea is not novel, yet you have not come up with one single previous reference thereto. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Astrology uses astronomy, Edg. Apparently you didn't get my point about many early astronomers, of whom Kepler was only one, made their living by preparing charts for astrologers. A serious astrologer knows some astronomy too. Duveyoung wrote: I'm talking about the opposite of astrology. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: Duveyoung: He made a statement that he cannot back up... Apparently you don't get it Edg - nobody wants to discuss Astrology with you because you and Barry are not Astrologers, in fact you are both flamers. Get some smarts - if you can't find something common to discuss, just keep your pie-hole shut, or talk about Advaita Vedanta - something you believe in. But, in fact many of your ideas have already been discussed on Usenet - you need to get up to speed if you're going to dialog with the Jyotish Pundits. 'Stars of India' Recent travels in India. by Peter Holt Mainstream, 1998 'Astrology of the Seers' A modern classic describing general Indian Astrology. by David Frawley 'Beneath a Vedic Sky' One of the best books concerning Jyotish by a teacher of TM. Includes CD. by William Levacy (Available from 21st Century Books in Fairfield) Hmmm, seems to me I deconstructed his post, and you are purposefully ignoring the issues I illustrated. In fact, you're being downright Barryesque in that you snip off many of my comments -- seemingly because I scored points with them -- and that just wouldn't do now would it? He made a statement that he cannot back up, and now here's you defending a bullshitter by using the same troll tactics of Barry -- including his I'm not going to talk about this ploy -- shame on your hypocrisy. Here's Bhairitu's words: Don't bother copyrighting as the subject has been tackled by many authors. The use of the word, subject, indicates that he knows what the subject is: caveman night sky diary. No, the subject is how the ancients used what they saw in the night sky. He's saying there have been lots of *different ideas* about this. When I said earlier that I thought this is what he meant, he agreed that it was. He thought you were considering copyrighting your idea so nobody could steal it; and he says you shouldn't bother because nobody would try to steal yours. They'd just come up with their own. This is my last post on this issue. Talk about making mountains out of molehills!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever
What do these fundamentalist Christians say is going to happen to the Jews who don't accept Jesus as their Savior? Mike Dixon: If your question is serious, read the story of Joseph in Genesis... dorkx: Not the same at all, Mike. Try again. It's basicaly the same eschatolgy that your Guru Dev used to believe in, and preached on many occasians. It's yer basic Samkhya dualism with a dash of dialectics thrown in for good measure. The same theology that probably 95% of all religious believers ascribe to. You obviously believe in it too, based on what you've posted on Usenet. The only difference being that your Guru Dev thought things and events were an illusion and that Parabrahman was the only reality. For you, it's all real. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever
Mike Dixon: Joseph, betrayed by his brothers, saves the day for all of them, just as Christ saves the day for all the Jews, not just Jewish believers, from total destruction. do.rflex: What do the Christianists say is going to happen to the Jews - or anyone else - who doesn't accept Jesus as their Savior? Even Jerry Falwell has adopted the 'dual covenant theology', along with John Hagee and Rabbi Aryeh Scheinberg. This creed, which runs counter to mainstream evangelism, maintains that the Jewish people has a special relationship to God through the revelation at Sinai and therefore does not need to go through Christ or the Cross to get to heaven... Maybe you should keep your pie hole shut, John, about religious stuff you know nothing about. You're way down in Brazil, you're way out of the loop, you don't even know what's going on in U.S. churches. http://www.apologeticsindex.org/357-john-hagee-salvation
[FairfieldLife] Re: A new theory about how astronomy was used by the ancients.
Okay, so I cannot do the math of an astronomer, I don't care, cuz this isn't about modern astronomy's math, it's about the non-mathematical action of book-marking a memory by using the stars' positions. What I do care about, line on stone, is that you acted like an asshole and remain unapologetic about it. This is especially surprising because I've been your most ardent supporter here across a range of issues and yet you gave me short shrift, and still are doing so. My concept is novel as far as I know, and you cast a doubt upon it without ANY real reason other than to pooh-pooh an idea out of what appears to be a smug and haughty pride in your astrological education. As for what I know -- you can ask Socrates -- he knows that he doesn't know, so I'm going with that. I was THEORIZING -- get it? And unlike you in your obfuscation and your unfounded denials, I DO have reason to speculate as I have done because the Lascaux cave paintings indicate that the sky-chart was very important to them -- so important that a ton of work was done on the caves and Stonehenge et al. That was about 15,000 years ago, and we have astronomical artifacts that are at most 32,000 years old, and I use that knowledge merely as indicative of the mindset at the birth of recorded history to theorize about the life of humanity during the 190,000 years leading up to Lascaux, get it? And my theory was that determining when to plant seeds was but a recent concern, and that even an ordinary intellect 200,000 years ago could easily note the sun's placement in the sky changing daily. One doesn't have to channel a caveman to see that that could have happened back then. Your suggestion is proof that you still want to put me down with smarm -- so fuck you fuck you fuck you from now on. If my notion is correct, it'll be a long time coming before proof is there, but I wanted -- go figure with this group's known attitudes -- to share the idea for mutual benefits, but all I get is your horseshit, Barry's horseshit, Judy's horseshit, and Willy's horseshit. There's your snapshot of friendly responders -- do you really like being in that picture? Not a single person has yet taken the idea and let it run around their brains for awhile and see if maybe just maybe it was not a bad idea and would go a LONG LONG WAY towards helping us come up with reasons why it took a modern brain so long to invent agriculture or any kind of culture. My theory gives a reason that goes to the question of what they were doing with their leisure-brain-time. No artifact goes back beyond 32,000 years that can indicate how they thought about the night sky. We have tool-making as far back as 2,000,000 years ago with early hominids, but my theory gives us a possibility that the ancients had a GOOGLE IN THE SKY that was common to all and could have had a very robust village give-and-take in that they all shared the same notation system and could keep notes on others as well as themselves. If this theory is true, then we can begin to see that astrology is perhaps a corruption of that use of the stars. Black is white -- an old meme of transitions. It might be that the predictive dynamics of the notation system were gradually emphasized beyond reason -- for instance, a caveperson could predict the stars' positions approximately at the end of someone's lifetime, and it would be as if a death sentence hanging up there -- two more hand-spans movement of that star and Ugamaugga will be dead for sure. Like that, it could have gotten out of hand and become more vested in prediction instead of recollection. This theory has legs I haven't even begun to dwell upon, and I brought it here, because, silly me, I thought folks cared about the spirituality of the ancients.not merely the last few thousand years. My bad. I know you bad-mouthing, troll-fuckers, so shame on me. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Okay, since you know a ton about astronomy can you tell us how to calculate an planet's orbit? What terms and methods are available? How do you implement reading Chebyshev polynomials in software that can be read from the JPL ephemeris. Now no fair cheating and looking this stuff up because you know a ton about astronomy and should be able to answer off the top of your head. ;-) While we're at it how do you know for sure how ancients 190,000 years ago used astronomy? Or are you now a channeler for ancient astronomers? All I was doing was just jibing you a bit about the idea of copyrighting your sky diary. I could care less either way. But you sure do. Line on water, Edg. Duveyoung wrote: So fucking what? I'm talking about something quite different than any recent recorded relationships between astronomy and astrology. You are the one missing the point. And I know a ton about astronomy and the history of it including Kepler et
[FairfieldLife] The Iceland Volcano, in time-lapse view
Lovely. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/15/iceland-volcano-time-laps_n_577481.html
[FairfieldLife] Evolution of Life in the Universe
This is an interesting clip from the viewpoint of sceptics. We posted this a few months ago. But its good to revisit this point again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYOR0dPZc3Ifeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: A new theory about how astronomy was used by the ancients.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: WillyTex wrote: Duveyoung: He made a statement that he cannot back up... Apparently you don't get it Edg - nobody wants to discuss Astrology with you because you and Barry are not Astrologers, in fact you are both flamers. Get some smarts - if you can't find something common to discuss, just keep your pie-hole shut, or talk about Advaita Vedanta - something you believe in. But, in fact many of your ideas have already been discussed on Usenet - you need to get up to speed if you're going to dialog with the Jyotish Pundits. 'Stars of India' Recent travels in India. by Peter Holt Mainstream, 1998 'Astrology of the Seers' A modern classic describing general Indian Astrology. by David Frawley 'Beneath a Vedic Sky' One of the best books concerning Jyotish by a teacher of TM. Includes CD. by William Levacy (Available from 21st Century Books in Fairfield) Levacy was a TM teacher as was James Braha and a number of other authors on Jyotish. I hung out with many of these people including Frawley at ACVA (American Council of Vedic Astroogers) conferences back in the 1990s. Those were fun gatherings where you met many folks from a number of different paths even some who were still strongly involved in TM and very close to Maharishi. There would often be over 200 folks at these conferences. There were many guest astrologers from India. My first contact with this group when I called David Frawley at the recommendation of my ayurveda MD to get a reading. He told me he wasn't doing readings anymore but to take advantage of K N Rao being in the Bay Area that week for readings. So I called the number he gave and got a reading from Rao, a very accomplished and well known Indian astrologer. Dennis Harness who headed up ACVA invited me to attend the weekend seminar with Rao at the San Rafael Embassy Suites. So I booked a room there since I didn't want to deal with driving the 40 or so miles and it turned out to be a good idea as Rao kept chatting way into the evenings in his room. That workshop was filled with many advanced astrologers from the west and it was specifically about the Jaimini Sutras and system of astrology. I was very green about astrology and didn't even know what signs each planet owned. But I waded through and understood many of the concepts. The real value was making a bunch of new friends from all over the world. ACVA hosted a couple more symposiums in San Rafael where Harness lived for a couple more years and then when he moved to Sedona where for a couple more years they were hosted in Del Mar near San Diego. Then I attended one in Sedona and by then it was mainly for beginners. The 1990s were a great time and many folks had expendable income so air trips even to Phoenix were cheap and so the symposiums were well attended. In 2002 along with tantra teacher Swami Abhayanand visited an Ayurvedic symposium on the Berkeley campus. It was well attended and I got to see some of my old chums from AVCA and introduce them to Swami. I recall seeing a throng following a young lady to the expo hall for a book signing. The young lady? Naomi Campbell who was very into ayurveda. The next year Swami signed up for a table at the expo. But that conference was poorly attended and lost money. They blamed the new TSA rules that made people uncomfortable with airline flying. And by the early 00's I was beginning to see a downturn in such things as new age stores in the area closed. Open Secret bookstore in San Rafael is still open and I have many fond memories of hanging out with jyotish friends there for weekend workshops with Chakrapani, Hart DeFouw and Robert Svododa in the 1990s. Yeah, I met these guys when I was living in Seattle up until 2004. It was in 1994 that I started learning jyotish. One of the students in our class was the wife of the governor of Washington state. Our teacher was Brendan Feeley who had since moved to the nation's capital. Then, there was another group that sponsored Sanjay Rath, another jyotishi from India, to give lectures in Sunnyvale, CA. He visited for about three or fours after that. But something happened, which I'm not privy to, and the group fell apart. Since then, Rath has never come back to California.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever
As I said, all prophecy is a matter of faith until it happens. Your original question was *what happens to the Jews that don't accept Christ?* I explained, from a prophetic point of view, what is supposed to happen. The Bible is full of prophecies from Genesis to Revelation of the coming of Messiah. I'm not going to bother to look each statement up and give you book, chapter and verse, it would take too much of my time and would fall on deaf ears anyway( fable written by a primitive desert tribe). Most of what I've replied to you is found in Genesis, Revelation and the writings of Paul. I'll be the first to admit, I could be wrong in my understanding, but from what I've learned in recent years, it sure makes more since than the Replacement theology taught for so long, which would make God a liar in his own words. As for what anybody chooses to believe, that's their business, not mine. I simply answered your original question based on my understanding of prophecies. From: do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 12:54:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: I don't doubt that is what Uri Avnery believes, as most Jews believe, because that is what most Christian theologians believed and have been teaching for two thousand years. It's called *replacement theology*,Christians believed they replace the Jews as the *chosen people*. However, times and thinking have changed dramatically in recent decades since the *fig tree* has begun to bud.Christians have been dropping replacement theology like a hot potato because it is not Biblical. Again, read, better yet, study the story of Joseph, it is all there in far greater detail than I could possibly go into here. Joseph, betrayed by his brothers, saves the day for all of them, just as Christ saves the day for all the Jews, not just Jewish believers, from total destruction. Who's to say all of that is anything more than a thousands of years old fable written by someone from a primitive desert tribe you've interpreted to comform to your own present day personal Christianist views, Mike? At that time, the Jews will accept him as their messiah, not knowing it is Jesus until he reveals the scars in his hands, feet and side, Where does it say that in the Bible, Mike?  just as Joseph revealed his circumcision to prove he was his brother's brother.At that time, the *scales* that blinded the eyes of the Jewish people to the identity of Christ, as it did with Saul of Tarsus, will be removed and there will be a great healing/ awakening between Christ, the church and the Jewish people, as it was when Joseph revealed his true identity to his brothers. Where is this comparison of scales being removed from the eyes of the Jewish people to be found in the Bible, Mike? John , you're still thinking in old, out dated, theological teaching, regarding the Christian faith, as many still do. The Bible teaches that when the Messiah comes, Jews and Gentiles will be united together as one. Where in the Bible does it clearly and specifically indicate that, when the Messiah comes, Jews and Gentiles will be united together as one? Who's to say YOUR views are right and other Christian's views are wrong? And... What if the Jews don't buy your personal interpretation of the Bible? Do you think they don't or won't have free choice? What do the Christianists say is going to happen to the Jews - or anyone else - who doesn't accept Jesus as their Savior? The Gentiles will be grafted into the tree of Abraham through the church. Of course, until it all happens, it is a matter of faith. __ __ From: do.rflex do.rf...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 8:11:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever  The fate of the Jews: Uri Avnery, is the leader of Gush Shalom, an Israeli peace group. He was discussing the theology of many Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christians in a 2002-JUN essay, and wrote: According to its theological beliefs, the Jews must congregate in Palestine and establish a Jewish state on all its territory so as to make the Second Coming of Jesus Christ possible... the evangelists don't like to dwell openly on what comes next: before the coming [of the Messiah], the Jews must convert to Christianity. Those who don't will perish in a gigantic holocaust in the battle of Armageddon. This is basically an anti-Semitic teaching... 1 This teaching implies that Jews who remain true to God's covenants in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) will be all exterminated in a massive genocide that may be more numerous than the Nazi Holocaust. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_isra.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new theory about how astronomy was used by the ancients.
John wrote: Yeah, I met these guys when I was living in Seattle up until 2004. It was in 1994 that I started learning jyotish. One of the students in our class was the wife of the governor of Washington state. Our teacher was Brendan Feeley who had since moved to the nation's capital. Brendan is an old friend too. Did you know Robert Koch who also lived in Seattle (now in Bend, OR)? Robert was the first person to do a jyotish chart for me. I had a sidereal chart done in the 1970s but not jyotish. Robert was an ISKON refugee. ;-) Then, there was another group that sponsored Sanjay Rath, another jyotishi from India, to give lectures in Sunnyvale, CA. He visited for about three or fours after that. But something happened, which I'm not privy to, and the group fell apart. Since then, Rath has never come back to California. I didn't know Sanjay but I know there was quite a bit of controversy over his teachings. It was part of his family tradition. But then if you read some of the Jyotish groups on Yahoo you'll see there are always spats going particularly between Indians that make FFL spats look like a Sunday picnic. There was also a monthly study group up in Sonoma at Bette Timm's center. That was a fun group and included folks like Linda Johnsen and her husband Jonathan.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: As I said, all prophecy is a matter of faith until it happens. Your original question was *what happens to the Jews that don't accept Christ?* I explained, from a prophetic point of view, what is supposed to happen. The Bible is full of prophecies from Genesis to Revelation of the coming of Messiah. I'm not going to bother to look each statement up and give you book, chapter and verse, it would take too much of my time and would fall on deaf ears anyway( fable written by a primitive desert tribe). Most of what I've replied to you is found in Genesis, Revelation and the writings of Paul. I'll be the first to admit, I could be wrong in my understanding, but from what I've learned in recent years, it sure makes more since than the Replacement theology taught for so long, which would make God a liar in his own words. As for what anybody chooses to believe, that's their business, not mine. I simply answered your original question based on my understanding of prophecies. Thanks for sharing 'your' understanding. It's quite apparent that other Christians, particularly from the Christian Right, have their own very different understandings/interpretations. 'My' understanding from the Christian fundamentalists is generally that anyone who doesn't accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior, is headed for the not-so-fun-at-all 'Lake of Fire' described in the Book of Revelation. From: do.rflex do.rf...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 12:54:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: I don't doubt that is what Uri Avnery believes, as most Jews believe,àbecause that is what most Christian theologians believed and have been teaching for two thousand years. It's called *replacement theology*,Christians believed theyàreplace the Jews as the *chosen people*. However, times and thinking have changed dramatically in recent decades since the *fig tree* has begun to bud.Christians have been dropping replacement theology like a hot potato because it is not Biblical. Again, read, better yet, studyàthe story of Joseph, it is all there in far greater detail than I could possibly go into here. Joseph, betrayed by his brothers, saves the day for all of them, just as Christ saves the day for all the Jews, not just Jewish believers, from total destruction. Who's to say all of that is anything more than a thousands of years old fable written by someone from a primitive desert tribe you've interpreted to comform to your own present day personal Christianist views, Mike? At that time, the Jews will accept him as their messiah, not knowing it is Jesus until he reveals the scars in his hands, feet and side, Where does it say that in the Bible, Mike? àjust as Joseph revealed his circumcision to prove he was his brother's brother.At that time, the *scales* that blinded the eyes of the Jewish people to the identity of Christ, as it did with Saul of Tarsus, will be removed and there will be a great healing/ awakeningàbetween Christ, the church and the Jewish people, as it was when Joseph revealed his true identity to his brothers. Where is this comparison of scales being removed from the eyes of the Jewish people to be found in the Bible, Mike? John , you're still thinking in old, out dated, theological teaching, regarding the Christian faith, as many still do. The Bible teaches that when the Messiah comes, Jews and Gentiles will be united together as one. Where in the Bible does it clearly and specifically indicate that, when the Messiah comes, Jews and Gentiles will be united together as one? Who's to say YOUR views are right and other Christian's views are wrong? And... What if the Jews don't buy your personal interpretation of the Bible? Do you think they don't or won't have free choice? What do the Christianists say is going to happen to the Jews - or anyone else - who doesn't accept Jesus as their Savior? The Gentiles will be grafted into the tree of Abraham through the church. Of course, until it all happens, it is a matter of faith. __ __ From: do.rflex do.rflex@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 8:11:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever àThe fate of the Jews: Uri Avnery, is the leader of Gush Shalom, an Israeli peace group. He was discussing the theology of many Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christians in a 2002-JUN essay, and wrote: According to its theological beliefs, the Jews must congregate in Palestine and establish a Jewish state on all its territory so as to make the Second Coming of Jesus Christ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh Yogi as Dark Yogi?
Divinity takes every form like the Rig Veda takes the form of the horse headed sage, the wise are not disturbed by that --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: More Mahesh Dark Yogi accounts surface: (From TM-Free blog) ... I have to admit to being intrigued by his thoughts regarding forces'. I never speak about it, for fear of being branded a bit wacky, but I had an experiance years ago while sitting in a little group with Mahesh in Swizterland that forever had me wondering about things like those described by this guy. I was sitting there at close range watching Mahesh go on about something when his head very clearly took on the look of a beast. It shocked me to say the least. I was sitting next to a friend of mine (who later became a prominent Doctor in So. Cal). I turned to him and whispered did you see that?. He looked shaken himself and said I sure did. Did he look like an animal there for a minute?. It was something I never forgot and when things like this come up now, I read with a bit more interest than some. Simple; what he saw was one of the numerous Rakshasas He destroyed on almost a daily basis.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever
That's my understanding as well. What I was saying earlier is the fate of Jews at the time of his return. When Messiah stops the total destruction of the Earth, he will be recognized by the Jews as Messiah and he will reveal to them that he is Jesus by showing them the scars in his hands, feet and side, just as Joseph revealed his true identity to his brothers by showing them that he was circumcised. None of this changes the concept of the *suffering servant* who takes away the sins of the world. If one's sins have not been removed, he can not enter the Kingdom of Heaven whether he is Jew or Gentile. OTOH if one doesn't believe in sin, what does it matter? BTW the Lake of Fire sentencing is supposed to be at the end of creation, the time of final judgment. None of this can be proved or disproved, it's all a matter of faith. What one can do, if interested, is learn the prophesies and watch to see if they come true. When the disciples came to Jesus and asked him when all these things will come to pass, he said *learn the parable of the fig tree. When it buds, know that that generation will not pass before all these things must come true.* The fig tree represents Israel, founded May 15th 1948, the generation of the baby boomers. Time will tell. From: do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 3:13:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: As I said, all prophecy is a matter of faith until it happens. Your original question was *what happens to the Jews that don't accept Christ?* I explained, from a prophetic point of view, what is supposed to happen. The Bible is full of prophecies from Genesis to Revelation of the coming of Messiah. I'm not going to bother to look each statement up and give you book, chapter and verse, it would take too much of my time and would fall on deaf ears anyway( fable written by a primitive desert tribe). Most of what I've replied to you is found in Genesis, Revelation and the writings of Paul. I'll be the first to admit, I could be wrong in my understanding, but from what I've learned in recent years, it sure makes more since than the Replacement theology taught for so long, which would make God a liar in his own words. As for what anybody chooses to believe, that's their business, not mine. I simply answered your original question based on my understanding of prophecies. Thanks for sharing 'your' understanding. It's quite apparent that other Christians, particularly from the Christian Right, have their own very different understandings/interpretations. 'My' understanding from the Christian fundamentalists is generally that anyone who doesn't accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior, is headed for the not-so-fun-at-all 'Lake of Fire' described in the Book of Revelation. From: do.rflex do.rf...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 12:54:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: I don't doubt that is what Uri Avnery believes, as most Jews believe, because that is what most Christian theologians believed and have been teaching for two thousand years. It's called *replacement theology*,Christians believed they replace the Jews as the *chosen people*. However, times and thinking have changed dramatically in recent decades since the *fig tree* has begun to bud.Christians have been dropping replacement theology like a hot potato because it is not Biblical. Again, read, better yet, study the story of Joseph, it is all there in far greater detail than I could possibly go into here. Joseph, betrayed by his brothers, saves the day for all of them, just as Christ saves the day for all the Jews, not just Jewish believers, from total destruction. Who's to say all of that is anything more than a thousands of years old fable written by someone from a primitive desert tribe you've interpreted to comform to your own present day personal Christianist views, Mike? At that time, the Jews will accept him as their messiah, not knowing it is Jesus until he reveals the scars in his hands, feet and side, Where does it say that in the Bible, Mike?  just as Joseph revealed his circumcision to prove he was his brother's brother.At that time, the *scales* that blinded the eyes of the Jewish people to the identity of Christ, as it did with Saul of Tarsus, will be removed and there will be a great healing/ awakening between Christ, the church and the Jewish people, as it was when Joseph revealed his true identity to his brothers. Where is this comparison of scales being removed from the eyes of the Jewish people to be found in the Bible, Mike?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A new theory about how astronomy was used by the ancients.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: John wrote: Yeah, I met these guys when I was living in Seattle up until 2004. It was in 1994 that I started learning jyotish. One of the students in our class was the wife of the governor of Washington state. Our teacher was Brendan Feeley who had since moved to the nation's capital. Brendan is an old friend too. Did you know Robert Koch who also lived in Seattle (now in Bend, OR)? Robert was the first person to do a jyotish chart for me. I had a sidereal chart done in the 1970s but not jyotish. Robert was an ISKON refugee. ;-) Robert Koch was my second teacher after Brendan left Seattle, WA. I saw both of them at the last seminar Sanjay Rath gave in Sunnyvale, CA. From what I've heard Sanjay's group broke apart due to money dispute. I tried to get some info from one of the organizers. But she would not talk about it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh Yogi as Dark Yogi?
this is true. I have long known that Mahesh is one of the evil ones, who's very purpose was to hijack the world's promise of being benedicted with the Blessings of Guru Dev's great gift of TM; only to sabatoge the whole program. This was a deliberate plan on his part, from the very beginning. He won't be appearing in his Radiant Form to people - as occurs after the deaths of many Saints - since devils radiate the Dark Force, often appearing as animals. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: More Mahesh Dark Yogi accounts surface: (From TM-Free blog) ... I have to admit to being intrigued by his thoughts regarding forces'. I never speak about it, for fear of being branded a bit wacky, but I had an experiance years ago while sitting in a little group with Mahesh in Swizterland that forever had me wondering about things like those described by this guy. I was sitting there at close range watching Mahesh go on about something when his head very clearly took on the look of a beast. It shocked me to say the least. I was sitting next to a friend of mine (who later became a prominent Doctor in So. Cal). I turned to him and whispered did you see that?. He looked shaken himself and said I sure did. Did he look like an animal there for a minute?. It was something I never forgot and when things like this come up now, I read with a bit more interest than some. Simple; what he saw was one of the numerous Rakshasas He destroyed on almost a daily basis.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh Yogi as Dark Yogi?
Soanything goes eh? It was exactly this kind of whatever my brain, my senses perceive from MMY, whether I'm seeing tantrums, the head of a beast, using people up, then discarding themregardless of what the brain that god gave me tells me is going on, I should ignore it and blindly trust the masterit was this kind of thinking that made me pull the rip cord all those years ago. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote: Divinity takes every form like the Rig Veda takes the form of the horse headed sage, the wise are not disturbed by that --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: More Mahesh Dark Yogi accounts surface: (From TM-Free blog) ... I have to admit to being intrigued by his thoughts regarding forces'. I never speak about it, for fear of being branded a bit wacky, but I had an experiance years ago while sitting in a little group with Mahesh in Swizterland that forever had me wondering about things like those described by this guy. I was sitting there at close range watching Mahesh go on about something when his head very clearly took on the look of a beast. It shocked me to say the least. I was sitting next to a friend of mine (who later became a prominent Doctor in So. Cal). I turned to him and whispered did you see that?. He looked shaken himself and said I sure did. Did he look like an animal there for a minute?. It was something I never forgot and when things like this come up now, I read with a bit more interest than some. Simple; what he saw was one of the numerous Rakshasas He destroyed on almost a daily basis.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh Yogi as Dark Yogi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote: Divinity takes every form like the Rig Veda takes the form of the horse headed sage, the wise are not disturbed by that If some are disturbed when divinity takes the form of the other end of the horse, does that make them not wise, or the form not divinity? Just curious.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A new theory about how astronomy was used by the ancients.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: John wrote: Yeah, I met these guys when I was living in Seattle up until 2004. It was in 1994 that I started learning jyotish. One of the students in our class was the wife of the governor of Washington state. Our teacher was Brendan Feeley who had since moved to the nation's capital. Brendan is an old friend too. Did you know Robert Koch who also lived in Seattle (now in Bend, OR)? Robert was the first person to do a jyotish chart for me. I had a sidereal chart done in the 1970s but not jyotish. Robert was an ISKON refugee. Robert Koch was my second teacher after Brendan left Seattle, WA. I saw both of them at the last seminar Sanjay Rath gave in Sunnyvale, CA. From what I've heard Sanjay's group broke apart due to money dispute. I tried to get some info from one of the organizers. But she would not talk about it. So you're saying that all these Jyotishi, who you are presenting as somewhat advanced, and yourself cool because you shared a little of their limelight by studying with them, couldn't see a little thing like money problems coming when they founded their organization? Sounds a lot like It's A Ride's sig line: The psychic fair has been canceled due to unforeseen circumstances. :-)
