[FairfieldLife] Re: Osama's porn collection
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: This piece of news could be a CIA propaganda to kill Bin Ladin's status as a religious leader for the Al Qaeda and their sympathizers. No. It's to piss them off so we can bomb the stuffin's outta 'em. But if this news is true, it shows that Bin Ladin was a man under tremendous pressure from his enemies and and consequent fear of death. As such, he turns to pornography for release and contentment. Yeah. That's what they all say. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: There's no faster way to bring down a *religious* figure than with a good 'ol fashion sex scandal! Now if they could only come up with a home made video of him getting down with his three wives, all together. Now, put that on Pay per View for the whole world to see! The jihad would be over. From: Tom Pall thomas.pall@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 14, 2011 10:30:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Osama's porn collection  http://ca.news.yahoo.com/exclusive-pornography-found-bin-laden-hideout-officials-162214194.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Osama's porn collection
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: There's no faster way to bring down a *religious* figure than with a good 'ol fashion sex scandal! Now if they could only come up with a home made video of him getting down with his three wives, all together. Now, put that on Pay per View for the whole world to see! The jihad would be over. Nah. The CIA doesn't get off on straight sex. They would rather make a video of Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/05/cia_group_had_wacky_ideas_to_d.html# From: Tom Pall thomas.pall@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 14, 2011 10:30:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Osama's porn collection  http://ca.news.yahoo.com/exclusive-pornography-found-bin-laden-hideout-officials-162214194.html
[FairfieldLife] BG XIII 13, PITA of some Vaishnavas? Part 1
Introduction Bhagavad-giitaa XIII 13 (Transliteration scheme: ITRANS 5.2) GYeyaM yattatpravakShyAmi yajGYAtvAmR^itamashnute . anAdimatparaM brahma na sattannAsaduchyate .. 13\-13.. Simplified, more scientific transliteration, sandhi_s resolved: jñeyam; yat tat pravakSyaami yat; jñaatvaa; amRitam ashnute . *anaadimat param (alternative reading: anaadi matparam) brahma* na sat tat; na asat ucyate .. 13\-13.. Now, let's study the third line. Transliterated exactly as it reads in devanaagarii, looks like this: anaadimatparaM brahma That is, because of the nature of the devanaagarii script, 'anaadimatparam' usually (except in some books for beginners, or in otherwise substandard texts) is written without any spaces between the individual words. That means both readings (anaadimat param or anaadi matparam) can be justified.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV ad : man who enters several phases of reincarnation.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: Reincarnation - it's a beautiful thing!The clip was uploaded in November 2006,its old but IMHO creatively done which begs some question . Most amusing(!) when the protagonist find himself to be reincarnated as a cat and decides to speed up the reincarnation process (so that sooner to be a human back to be able to hold drink that gold liquid of Tiger Beer!) by killing himself by being electrocuted.?? [:(] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blWZR3hyLp0feature=player_embedded http://tinyurl.com/4y72brz This commercial just rocks. What I love is that, although for cinematic reasons it compresses time a bit, it's actually *knowledgeable* about the sup- posed mechanics of reincarnation: Your last desire and thoughts at the time of death determine to some extent the nature of your future incarnations. I also love the Panda, who has obviously been making his own journey through the incarnations to find the right beer, and manages it, but at the expense of the other seeker of enlightenbeer. :-) This commercial is somewhat related. It traces man's evolution from its final and ultimate accomplishment (enjoying a pint of Guinness) back to its earliest beginnings in the primeval ooze: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t4sdgvy-pk
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV ad : man who enters several phases of reincarnation.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: Reincarnation - it's a beautiful thing!The clip was uploaded in November 2006,its old but IMHO creatively done which begs some question . Most amusing(!) when the protagonist find himself to be reincarnated as a cat and decides to speed up the reincarnation process (so that sooner to be a human back to be able to hold drink that gold liquid of Tiger Beer!) by killing himself by being electrocuted.?? [:(] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blWZR3hyLp0feature=player_embedded http://tinyurl.com/4y72brz This commercial just rocks. What I love is that, although for cinematic reasons it compresses time a bit, it's actually *knowledgeable* about the sup- posed mechanics of reincarnation: Your last desire and thoughts at the time of death determine to some extent the nature of your future incarnations. I also love the Panda, who has obviously been making his own journey through the incarnations to find the right beer, and manages it, but at the expense of the other seeker of enlightenbeer. :-) This commercial is somewhat related. It traces man's evolution from its final and ultimate accomplishment (enjoying a pint of Guinness) back to its earliest beginnings in the primeval ooze: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t4sdgvy-pk It also reminds me of the gift that a former roommate of mine brought me from India. He was there on a TM TTC course, and brought back a bottle of -- no shit -- Guru brand beer. I kept it for years, and never opened it, because I always loved to imagine what its TV commercials would be like. Buncha gurus in their dhotis, trudge back to the cave after a long day preaching the dharma to the ignorant and undeserving, peel off the tops of their dhotis and sit around in their undershirts, drinking Guru beer and belching and enjoying the true rewards of enlightenment. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi verifies Carlsen's Enlightenment
On May 9, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Tom Pall wrote: Pedophilia is also a sexual orientation, given by God, probably genetic just like homosexuality. Just occurred to me, is it perchance plausible that some pedophiles get married just to have a chance to get themselves a legal sex toy? Lo and behold, even gay pedophiles!?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: OK I guess we are all over it. The link I provide where Craig reveals his true epistemology is interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-fDyPU3wlQ That's it exactly. Start with faith in unproven and unprovable ideas, and then work backwards to find logical-sounding arguments that support that faith. What I don't understand is, if these guys' faith is so strong, why do they have such a need to 1) prove it using spurious logic, and 2) convince others to believe in it, too? It strikes me as not only drawing bulls-eyes around arrows but evangelizing that as the only proper way to perform archery. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV ad : man who enters several phases of reincarnation.
ok i'll try again-hope i get through --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: The worrying element in that is the 1% who don't believe in the existence of beer. They must be a right bunch of little cults. This commercial just rocks. What I love is that, although for cinematic reasons it compresses time a bit, it's actually *knowledgeable* about the sup- posed mechanics of reincarnation: Your last desire and thoughts at the time of death determine to some extent the nature of your future incarnations. yes that seems to be the message nothing new for the definitely targeting an Asian audience I also love the Panda, who has obviously been making his own journey through the incarnations to find the right beer, and manages it, but at the expense of the other seeker of enlightenbeer. :-) [:x] Me, too-exactly this is the part of the tale I like most and this twist of the tale is often neglected This commercial is somewhat related. It traces man's evolution from its final and ultimate accomplishment (enjoying a pint of Guinness) back to its earliest beginnings in the primeval ooze: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t4sdgvy-pk This seems to be the European counterpart - great find- but a little bit a easy story line (evolution topics the West seems to be most obsessed with) a great animation job though Did you read the first line of the commentary section?There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to livelol It also reminds me of the gift that a former roommate of mine brought me from India. He was there on a TM TTC course, and brought back a bottle of -- no shit -- Guru brand beer. I kept it for years, and never opened it, because I always loved to imagine what its TV commercials would be like. Buncha gurus in their dhotis, trudge back to the cave after a long day preaching the dharma to the ignorant and undeserving, peel off the tops of their dhotis and sit around in their undershirts, drinking Guru beer and belching and enjoying the true rewards of enlightenment. :-) Guru Beer? your are kidding me ok Ill go along with that: its Sunday and the server seems to be not down. thanks to internet that the Internet proves me wrong - you are not kidding check this out http://www.capscollection.ru/search.php?searchstr=brewpage=1 http://tinyurl.com/5s5oyv8 Here it goes: Could not find anything from India but relayed telepathically from the Beer Guru's temporary ashram at The Beerodrome, London to be on topic : and reincarnation You always loved to imagine what its TV commercials would be like?Here it is: http://www.thebeerguru.com/buy-the-book/ with all your question answered: * From Beer to Eternity http://www.thebeerguru.com/2008/11/10/from-beer-to-eternity/ * Who are you calling a cult? http://www.thebeerguru.com/2008/10/09/who-are-you-calling-a-cult/ * The paramilitary extremist arm of the beer guru movement http://www.thebeerguru.com/2008/09/23/the-paramilitary-extremist-arm-of\ -the-beer-guru-movement/ * Is this a genuine spiritual path? http://www.thebeerguru.com/2008/09/23/is-this-a-genuine-spiritual-path/\ * The Beer Guru's plan for world domination http://www.thebeerguru.com/2008/09/23/the-beer-gurus-plan-for-world-dom\ ination/ * Beer Yoga http://www.thebeerguru.com/beer-yoga/ http://www.thebeerguru.com/beer-yoga/ * The Beer Guru and the Barmy(not Barry) Swami http://www.thebeerguru.com/about-the-beer-guru/ * The Teachings of The Beer Guru http://www.thebeerguru.com/the-teachings-of-the-beer-guru/ * The Way of The Beer Guru http://www.thebeerguru.com/the-way-of-the-beer-guru/ BEER IS DIVINE. DRINK IT RELIGIOUSLY. [180] For those who understand that drinking beer can be a spiritual experience, following the path of The Beer Guru will be second nature. Translated from ancient Sanskrit scrolls found behind the tandoori oven when The Balti Towers restaurant in Birmingham was demolished, the enigmatic Beer Guru's teachings have become renowned. They provide a step-by-step guide that takes you on a quest for The Holy Ale, a sacred beer that flows from the Font of All Wisdom and bestows infinite knowledge, immortality and instant enlightenment. If you survive the initiation of the whirling pit, you will meet the Beer Guru himself, the Dalai Llager, the Beer Goddess and the Barmy Swami. You will learn how to create your own Beer Temple and master the art of Tantric Beer drinking, so you can keep it up all night. The Beer Guru's Guide will give you a smile as broad as the Beer Bhudda's, for it is a path liberally strewn with mirth, joy and bliss. Who are you calling a cult? Beer as a spiritual path, The joy of sects Author: The Beer Guru Is this a genuine spiritual path? Relayed telepathically from the Beer Guru's personal chapel, in the Temple of The Beer Goddess, Kylie, somewhere in the Himalayas. There are disbelievers amongst
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV ad : man who enters several phases of reincarnation.
Tiger Beer vs pint of Guinness Your last desire and thoughts at the time of death determine to some extent the nature of your future incarnations. targeting an Asian audience Tiger Beer is an Asian beer brewed by Asia Pacific Breweries since 1932 http://www.apb.com.sg/ Interestingly in Malaysia, Tiger Beer is produced and marketed by Guinness Anchor Berhad (GAB).The It's Time for a Tiger slogan for Tiger Beer has run for decades since its inception in the 1930s. The writer Anthony Burgess named his first novel Time for a Tiger (the first part of the Malayan trilogy The Long Day Wanes) after the advertising slogan. Burgess reveals in his autobiography that, when his Time for a Tiger was published, he asked the manufacturer, for a complimentary clock with the Tiger beer slogan. The brewery declined to offer this or any other free gift to him. But fourteen years later, when Burgess was more famous, it relented. In 1970, the company offered Burgess a privilege of which he could consume any of their beers free of charge while in Singapore. However, in his own words Burgess wrote in response: But it was too late. I had become wholly a gin man. [:D] This film is quite obviously sponsored by Tiger beer
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV ad : man who enters several phases of reincarnation.
Guru Beer? your are kidding me ok Ill go along with that: its Sunday and the server seems to be not down. thanks to internet that the Internet proves me wrong - you are not kidding check this out http://www.capscollection.ru/search.php?searchstr=brewpage=1 http://tinyurl.com/5s5oyv8 Here it goes: Could not find anything from India but relayed telepathically from the Beer Guru's temporary ashram at The Beerodrome, London to be on topic : and reincarnation You always loved to imagine what its TV commercials would be like?Here it is: http://www.thebeerguru.com/buy-the-book/ with all your question answered: * From Beer to Eternity http://www.thebeerguru.com/2008/11/10/from-beer-to-eternity/ * Who are you calling a cult? http://www.thebeerguru.com/2008/10/09/who-are-you-calling-a-cult/ * The paramilitary extremist arm of the beer guru movement http://www.thebeerguru.com/2008/09/23/the-paramilitary-extremist-arm-of\ -the-beer-guru-movement/ * Is this a genuine spiritual path? http://www.thebeerguru.com/2008/09/23/is-this-a-genuine-spiritual-path/\ * The Beer Guru's plan for world domination http://www.thebeerguru.com/2008/09/23/the-beer-gurus-plan-for-world-dom\ ination/ * Beer Yoga http://www.thebeerguru.com/beer-yoga/ http://www.thebeerguru.com/beer-yoga/ * The Beer Guru and the Barmy(not Barry) Swami http://www.thebeerguru.com/about-the-beer-guru/ * The Teachings of The Beer Guru http://www.thebeerguru.com/the-teachings-of-the-beer-guru/ * The Way of The Beer Guru http://www.thebeerguru.com/the-way-of-the-beer-guru/ BEER IS DIVINE. DRINK IT RELIGIOUSLY. [180] For those who understand that drinking beer can be a spiritual experience, following the path of The Beer Guru will be second nature. Translated from ancient Sanskrit scrolls found behind the tandoori oven when The Balti Towers restaurant in Birmingham was demolished, the enigmatic Beer Guru's teachings have become renowned. They provide a step-by-step guide that takes you on a quest for The Holy Ale, a sacred beer that flows from the Font of All Wisdom and bestows infinite knowledge, immortality and instant enlightenment. If you survive the initiation of the whirling pit, you will meet the Beer Guru himself, the Dalai Llager, the Beer Goddess and the Barmy Swami. You will learn how to create your own Beer Temple and master the art of Tantric Beer drinking, so you can keep it up all night. The Beer Guru's Guide will give you a smile as broad as the Beer Bhudda's, for it is a path liberally strewn with mirth, joy and bliss. Who are you calling a cult? Beer as a spiritual path, The joy of sects Author: The Beer Guru Is this a genuine spiritual path? Relayed telepathically from the Beer Guru's personal chapel, in the Temple of The Beer Goddess, Kylie, somewhere in the Himalayas. There are disbelievers amongst us. Infidels, who raise doubts about the validity of the Beer Guru's path and teachings. They do not believe that beer can be sacred. That it can bestow enlightenment. Worse they scoff at the Beer Guru's teachings and say they are tosh. That he made them all up as a joke. Actually, he did. But that doesn't make them invalid, or nonsense. He had tapped into the universal stream of consciousness and wisdom. They were an inspired joke founded on eternal truths. As Zarathustra demonstrated, there is a very fine line between the wise man and the fool. There is plenty of hard evidence that much of The Beer Guru's teachings are based on fact. For instance, there is a well-established historical link between beer and spiritual practices. In the distant past, as well as in many indigenous cultures today, beer was regarded as sacred, a brew which brought visions and personal experiences of the gods. In mediaeval times, most British and European beer was brewed in monasteries by the monks. As it says in the book, many divine beers (and some lethal intoxicants) were created by men of god in places of spiritual reverence. There is even a genuine, ancient Tibetan tradition of brewing and drinking the beer of enlightenment. It is part of the Doha Tradition and includes Tibetan drinking songs. The Beer Guru's path is an evolution of that tradition for modern times and western society. There are many men who worshipped beer before the Beer Guru came along. He is merely giving them a framework of belief and practice in their daily religious observances. The Beer Guru's teachings have a firm foundation in traditional mystic practice. For him and his followers, enlightenment and spiritual devotion are inextricably tied up with drinking beer and appreciating it as a spiritual experience. The book (the Beer Guru's Guide http://www.thebeerguru.com/buy-the-book ) is a step-by-step instruction manual of how to attain enlightenment through drinking beer. As an intrinsic part of that process, the initiate has to undertake a quest for the Holy Ale, the beer of
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV ad : man who enters several phases of reincarnation.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: The worrying element in that is the 1% who don't believe in the existence of beer. Tell me about it. What a disbelieving set of heretical wankers they must be, right? Have they never heard of the BCA (Beer Cosmological Argument)? It conclusively proves the existence of beer: All that exists is part of the cosmic foam[1]. Beer, when properly served, is foamy. Therefore beer exists. [1] from the Wikipedia page on 'Observable universe.' The organization of structure arguably begins at the stellar level, though most cosmologists rarely address astrophysics on that scale. Stars are organized into galaxies, which in turn form clusters and superclusters that are separated by immense voids, creating a vast FOAM-like structure sometimes called the 'cosmic web'. To not believe in beer is akin to not believing in burgers. And we all know that burgers exist, and that they are Good, because they have Shiva's seal of approval: [http://loltheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/shiva_cheezburger.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] Not seeing as well as you used to?
Worried that your psychic seeing just ain't as accurate as it was in your youth? Starting to wonder whether you'll ever see properly again? Get a checkup: [http://mojo1000.com/storage/other-comics/third-eye-exam-comic.gif]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden? (Music of the Spheres)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Curtis and Judy, The latest results in cosmological research show that the universe may have started as quantum mechanical fluctuations at a very high temperature scale that can't be duplicated here on earth. John, are absolutely sure about this? This could have profound implications. I, like I think most of us, grew up thinking that the temperature scale could be duplicated on earth. But now you are saying no, this is not the case. This is defintely a turning point.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Osama's porn collection
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: This piece of news could be a CIA propaganda to kill Bin Ladin's status as a religious leader for the Al Qaeda and their sympathizers. John, do you really think this could at least be a possibility? I don't think this ocurred to anyone else. Impressive. But if this news is true, it shows that Bin Ladin was a man under tremendous pressure from his enemies and and consequent fear of death. As such, he turns to pornography for release and contentment. John, there is no doubt that you would be a top drawer candidate for news commentary on Fox or CNN, or any other news outlet with these unique and remarkable insights. Jim Lehr is retiring, and I think you should apply for the position. Ray Suarez has nothing, I repeat, nothing on you. Maybe a blog, combining these insights with an occassional astrology angle. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: There's no faster way to bring down a *religious* figure than with a good 'ol fashion sex scandal! Now if they could only come up with a home made video of him getting down with his three wives, all together. Now, put that on Pay per View for the whole world to see! The jihad would be over. From: Tom Pall thomas.pall@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 14, 2011 10:30:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Osama's porn collection  http://ca.news.yahoo.com/exclusive-pornography-found-bin-laden-hideout-o\ fficials-162214194.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Osama's porn collection
Raunch, I think the CIA could hire a movie director from some early 80's Chinese martial arts movies to do some propaganda of Osama and his buddies doing what you suggest below, and you would accept it as concrete and compelling evidence. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: There's no faster way to bring down a *religious* figure than with a good 'ol fashion sex scandal! Now if they could only come up with a home made video of him getting down with his three wives, all together. Now, put that on Pay per View for the whole world to see! The jihad would be over. Nah. The CIA doesn't get off on straight sex. They would rather make a video of Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/05/cia_group_had_wacky_id\ eas_to_d.html# From: Tom Pall thomas.pall@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 14, 2011 10:30:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Osama's porn collection  http://ca.news.yahoo.com/exclusive-pornography-found-bin-laden-hideout-o\ fficials-162214194.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden?
Thanks for watching it Barry. It is an important insight into the guy. I feel such an affinity with him since I spent 4 years at MIU with this exact agenda. I believe he is sincere just as I was. He is obviously a smart guy. So he feels confident that he can take on any intellectual challenge just as Thomas Aquinas did for the Church when they discovered Aristotle and Plato. All of our MIU courses were designed to lead us to the conclusion that we had found the highest wisdom in Maharishi's teaching from the perspective of any discipline. And no group took more self-satisfied delight in the perfection of his teaching than the philosophy department! While the sciences kind of lived in metaphor-land which had such a hokeiness to it, we were the ones really diving into the tools of thinking to show how brilliant Maharishi was and how his teaching solved all the paradoxes and unsolvable problems in Western philosophy. We were his righteous warriors whose work would unbend the cowering Hindu mysticism and let it walk right up to Western philosophy on its own terms (or so we imagined) and blacken its eye with its own fist! Till I realized that we had not. Like Craig our surety was built on a flawed foundation of the appeal to the primacy of mystical subjective experience. Just as he is so sure of the witness of the holy spirit as the true hidden premise, we had our witness of our own minds, sitting quietly on the throne of self-satisfied perfect surety, the unceasing bliss of being the knower-of-reality, the saved, (ooops wrong pretentious language, that is Craigs!) the leaders of the new age of enlightenment for all mankind. So we labored over philosophy texts and tried to master the ideas and perspectives but never let them be applied to our claims of mystical experience as the basis of it all, like a hidden Vatican library that issues no check out cards for the books. Then we would go out for a few drinks with Hegel or Kant or Hume (they would order Campari and we would order Vedically warm spring water). We would chat with them showing how earnestly we had mastered their vocabulary, their ideas until they saw us as sincere friends who appreciated their work. Until the Roofies kicked in. Then we would put a pillow case over their heads and beat them with socks filled with batteries and padlocks until they were bludgeoned into submission with our cries of triumph: The state of Unity Consciousness is the perfect fulfillment of the subjective and objective approaches in philosophy because it contains perfect subjectivity (the true Self) and perfect objectivity (the universal Being behind all creation) within it. Score team Maharishi, spike the ball, end-zone dance for everyone! Waking up from the cranial bruises, the great minds of the past would not be able to point out our fatally flawed pre-suppositions that all rested on an interpretation of our silence in meditation (or activity) as the actual basis for all that exists. The witness of the holy tradition spirit working its epistemological surety magic. Craig is every professor I had at MIU, using academic language to convince a bunch of naive young people that even from the perspective of Western philosophy, we were justified for believing the ideas of an advance man for the Hindu pope that we had the highest wisdom of life. And armed with this intellectual confidence we would not be shaken by all the academics pointing to us and saying but you have no clothes. We were wearing them on the INSIDE. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: OK I guess we are all over it. The link I provide where Craig reveals his true epistemology is interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-fDyPU3wlQ That's it exactly. Start with faith in unproven and unprovable ideas, and then work backwards to find logical-sounding arguments that support that faith. What I don't understand is, if these guys' faith is so strong, why do they have such a need to 1) prove it using spurious logic, and 2) convince others to believe in it, too? It strikes me as not only drawing bulls-eyes around arrows but evangelizing that as the only proper way to perform archery. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Bill Maher
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/bill-maher-takes-shot-pro-torture-so-calle
[FairfieldLife] Bill Maher
hands Christians a little hypocrisy pie: http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/bill-maher-takes-shot-pro-torture-so-calle
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden?
Great rap, Curtis. I have nothing to add to it, because it pretty much covers the bases. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Thanks for watching it Barry. It is an important insight into the guy. I feel such an affinity with him since I spent 4 years at MIU with this exact agenda. I believe he is sincere just as I was. He is obviously a smart guy. So he feels confident that he can take on any intellectual challenge just as Thomas Aquinas did for the Church when they discovered Aristotle and Plato. All of our MIU courses were designed to lead us to the conclusion that we had found the highest wisdom in Maharishi's teaching from the perspective of any discipline. And no group took more self-satisfied delight in the perfection of his teaching than the philosophy department! While the sciences kind of lived in metaphor-land which had such a hokeiness to it, we were the ones really diving into the tools of thinking to show how brilliant Maharishi was and how his teaching solved all the paradoxes and unsolvable problems in Western philosophy. We were his righteous warriors whose work would unbend the cowering Hindu mysticism and let it walk right up to Western philosophy on its own terms (or so we imagined) and blacken its eye with its own fist! Till I realized that we had not. Like Craig our surety was built on a flawed foundation of the appeal to the primacy of mystical subjective experience. Just as he is so sure of the witness of the holy spirit as the true hidden premise, we had our witness of our own minds, sitting quietly on the throne of self-satisfied perfect surety, the unceasing bliss of being the knower- of-reality, the saved, (ooops wrong pretentious language, that is Craigs!) the leaders of the new age of enlightenment for all mankind. So we labored over philosophy texts and tried to master the ideas and perspectives but never let them be applied to our claims of mystical experience as the basis of it all, like a hidden Vatican library that issues no check out cards for the books. Then we would go out for a few drinks with Hegel or Kant or Hume (they would order Campari and we would order Vedically warm spring water). We would chat with them showing how earnestly we had mastered their vocabulary, their ideas until they saw us as sincere friends who appreciated their work. Until the Roofies kicked in. Then we would put a pillow case over their heads and beat them with socks filled with batteries and padlocks until they were bludgeoned into submission with our cries of triumph: The state of Unity Consciousness is the perfect fulfillment of the subjective and objective approaches in philosophy because it contains perfect subjectivity (the true Self) and perfect objectivity (the universal Being behind all creation) within it. Score team Maharishi, spike the ball, end-zone dance for everyone! Waking up from the cranial bruises, the great minds of the past would not be able to point out our fatally flawed pre-suppositions that all rested on an interpretation of our silence in meditation (or activity) as the actual basis for all that exists. The witness of the holy tradition spirit working its epistemological surety magic. Craig is every professor I had at MIU, using academic language to convince a bunch of naive young people that even from the perspective of Western philosophy, we were justified for believing the ideas of an advance man for the Hindu pope that we had the highest wisdom of life. And armed with this intellectual confidence we would not be shaken by all the academics pointing to us and saying but you have no clothes. We were wearing them on the INSIDE. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: OK I guess we are all over it. The link I provide where Craig reveals his true epistemology is interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-fDyPU3wlQ That's it exactly. Start with faith in unproven and unprovable ideas, and then work backwards to find logical-sounding arguments that support that faith. What I don't understand is, if these guys' faith is so strong, why do they have such a need to 1) prove it using spurious logic, and 2) convince others to believe in it, too? It strikes me as not only drawing bulls-eyes around arrows but evangelizing that as the only proper way to perform archery. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV ad : man who enters several phases of reincarnation.
lol and they say FFL cant't be fun yes i can recognize the cosmic beer foam in front and around the burger seems to be an illusion lol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: The worrying element in that is the 1% who don't believe in the existence of beer. Tell me about it. What a disbelieving set of heretical wankers they must be, right? Have they never heard of the BCA (Beer Cosmological Argument)? It conclusively proves the existence of beer: All that exists is part of the cosmic foam[1]. Beer, when properly served, is foamy. Therefore beer exists. [1] from the Wikipedia page on 'Observable universe.' The organization of structure arguably begins at the stellar level, though most cosmologists rarely address astrophysics on that scale. Stars are organized into galaxies, which in turn form clusters and superclusters that are separated by immense voids, creating a vast FOAM-like structure sometimes called the 'cosmic web'. To not believe in beer is akin to not believing in burgers. And we all know that burgers exist, and that they are Good, because they have Shiva's seal of approval: [http://loltheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/shiva_cheezburger.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Maher
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/bill-maher-takes-shot-pro-torture-so-calle Brilliant. The Christian bit starts at about the 7 minute mark, but everything up to then is well worth watching, too. Re the Christian rap, that's essentially my prob- lem with the Bhagavad-Gita. Apologists for it trot out its deeper spiritual teachings, and there is no question that they are there. What these apologists are ignoring is the plot. The plot of the book doth not, at any point, have any problem with war and the killing of our fellow humans being an acceptable and even somehow moral or dharmic solution to social problems. It accepts war as a given, and as a part of the status quo. You'll have to forgive me if, were I ever in search of something I could call a scripture, I pass on the Gita and go for some book whose author could conceive of a somewhat higher-vibe plot.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: but you have no clothes. We were wearing them on the INSIDE. that's the phrase of the week [:D] I'm so drawn up in your zone All the kids have always known That the emperor wears no clothes But they bow down to him anyway It's better than being alone
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden?
You are too kind. Thanks. Reminds me of the old Steve Martin routine. OK I'll admit it. I LIKE wearing men's underwear! And I wear them on the INSIDE of my pants so no one knows I have them on. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: but you have no clothes. We were wearing them on the INSIDE. that's the phrase of the week [:D] I'm so drawn up in your zone All the kids have always known That the emperor wears no clothes But they bow down to him anyway It's better than being alone
[FairfieldLife] Re: Narrative Behind Bin Laden Fable Flip-Flops AGAIN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: snip Although he gets a bump in the polls, the story of Obama's heroism isn't about getting a bump. It's about Homeland Security tightening the noose around our necks. The Times They Are A-Changin'. I don't see a lot of signs of that so far, do you? In fact I do, quite a lot and more so, since I accept the premise that Al Qaeda has been in cahoots from its inception with the CIA, which is well known for creating agent provocateurs. I think that's just nuts, frankly. The CIA did help *create* Al Qaeda when it supported the mujahadin in Afghanistan against the Russians, but there's no reason to think it still does. It's not nuts if you're willing to go down the rabbit hole with Alex Jones. But is it nuts to be willing to go down the rabbit hole with Alex Jones? I think you're about to go over to the dark side, raunchy, away from your liberal roots. You really ought to look more closely at Jones and what he preaches and stands for. Media Matters has a whole passel of stuff on Jones: http://mediamatters.org/search/tag/alex_jones?tab=all Under the Research tab, Who Is Alex Jones? has a good rundown. snip As to your quotes, a lot of what they report was going on well before the Osama raid, so one can't say that the raid is what triggered it. The emergency text message business has been in the works for years, for example. Of course an emergency texting system has been in the works for years, but before they killed bin Laden how well do you think the news of not being able to opt out of receiving a Presidential threat alert would have went over? To be honest, I'm not sure what's so bad about that. And this on the heels of Janet Napolitano changing the DHS terror alert system from colors to text, elevated or imminent. Coinkydink? Gee, most folks seem to think this is a good move, a climb-down from the Bush DHS nitwittery. You thought the color-coded system was better? And how far back do the heels go? I mean, how long ago does a security move of some sort have to have been made before you stop wondering if it was more than a coincidence that it was done before the Osama raid? snip The no-ride idea was Sen. Schumer's. It's brainless and has not been well received. Count Amtrak among the brainless. They're up for it. Ehh, maybe not so much. Here's what they said: Amtrak is committed to the safety and security of our passengers and remains a safe way to travel. All countermeasures add value in creating an overall security posture in protecting a rail system that operates in an open environment. The creation of a do not ride list is no exception. It would, however, have to be developed in close coordination with the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) and implemented in a way that respects civil rights and allows for the rapid flow of persons and trains, necessary for effective mass transit. I read this as a polite way of saying to Schumer, Are you freaking nuts?? LaHood: 'Once our friends in the intelligence community have a chance to look at the material that was gathered from bin Laden's house and we talk to Congress about ideas they have, if more needs to be done I'm sure Amtrak would be willing to do more,' he said. *LaHood said he sees no reason for Amtrak to do more now* [emphasis added]. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-12/lahood-says-amtrak-is-very-very-safe-.html http://tinyurl.com/6ba57eh Bloomberg: New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg isn't among the New Yorkers backing a 'no ride' list for Amtrak. 'I think in a practical point of view, it would be very difficult to enforce.'...While Bloomberg isn't convinced a no ride list would work on the rails, he says there are no serious threats against Amtrak or other commuter lines at the moment, and he insists New York's first responders are ready, should someone make an attempt. http://www.mediaite.com/online/michael-bloomberg-schumers-amtrak-no-ride-idea-just-wont-fly/ http://tinyurl.com/63z67ty snip And just generally speaking, the threat of retaliation from Al Qaeda has a pretty short shelf life, as I mentioned before. If they don't do something soon, it's not going to carry much weight. Oh they'll do something soon...bet on it. Keep an eye on Pakistan. I think the lid on the Tailban is about to blow. October surprise, anyone? B-b-b-b-but I thought the threats were all manufactured!
[FairfieldLife] Hindu Barbie
Found this image on the Net today while surfing, and thought that it was way cute. If the TM movement had found a way to arrange a product tie-in arrangement with Mattel Toys and thus get a kickback on every unit sold, would this not have SO been Maharishi's Recommended Barbie? [http://frtim.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/hindu-barbie2.jpg?w=225h=300]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Osama's porn collection
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Steve, it's not nice to mock the children. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: This piece of news could be a CIA propaganda to kill Bin Ladin's status as a religious leader for the Al Qaeda and their sympathizers. John, do you really think this could at least be a possibility? I don't think this ocurred to anyone else. Impressive. But if this news is true, it shows that Bin Ladin was a man under tremendous pressure from his enemies and and consequent fear of death. As such, he turns to pornography for release and contentment. John, there is no doubt that you would be a top drawer candidate for news commentary on Fox or CNN, or any other news outlet with these unique and remarkable insights. Jim Lehr is retiring, and I think you should apply for the position. Ray Suarez has nothing, I repeat, nothing on you. Maybe a blog, combining these insights with an occassional astrology angle. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: There's no faster way to bring down a *religious* figure than with a good 'ol fashion sex scandal! Now if they could only come up with a home made video of him getting down with his three wives, all together. Now, put that on Pay per View for the whole world to see! The jihad would be over. From: Tom Pall thomas.pall@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 14, 2011 10:30:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Osama's porn collection  http://ca.news.yahoo.com/exclusive-pornography-found-bin-laden-hideout-o\ fficials-162214194.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hindu Barbie
Wow, she is sooo much hotter than our Barbie! Does it come in a Real Doll version? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Found this image on the Net today while surfing, and thought that it was way cute. If the TM movement had found a way to arrange a product tie-in arrangement with Mattel Toys and thus get a kickback on every unit sold, would this not have SO been Maharishi's Recommended Barbie? [http://frtim.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/hindu-barbie2.jpg?w=225h=300]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Maher
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip Re the Christian rap, that's essentially my prob- lem with the Bhagavad-Gita. Apologists for it trot out its deeper spiritual teachings, and there is no question that they are there. What these apologists are ignoring is the plot. Well, no, we just see it differently than you do. The plot of the book doth not, at any point, have any problem with war and the killing of our fellow humans being an acceptable and even somehow moral or dharmic solution to social problems. It accepts war as a given, and as a part of the status quo. It was composed a *long, long time ago*, first of all. Second, you can mentally substitute for Arjuna's dilemma about killing his relatives any intractable conflict between heart and mind that you find morally acceptable, *and Krishna's teaching stays exactly the same*. It doesn't depend on the war setting. That setting just happened to be relevant to the warlike culture for which it was composed. It's only circumstantially relevant to the teaching itself, a convenient way to introduce the teaching, which is about *transcending conflict altogether*. If Arjuna's dharma had been that of a peacemaker rather than a warrior, *the teaching would still apply*. In a society that had evolved beyond war, in which war were no longer an acceptable solution to social problems, *the teaching would still apply*. (And that society of peace might well have developed as a result of following the teaching.) To maintain that the war setting somehow taints the teaching demonstrates a fundamentalist, literalist rigidity that misses the forest for the trees.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Osama's porn collection
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Raunch, I think the CIA could hire a movie director from some early 80's Chinese martial arts movies to do some propaganda of Osama and his buddies doing what you suggest below, and you would accept it as concrete and compelling evidence. Been there done that. To discredit bin Laden the CIA produced Hard Gay Ninja. CIA psy-ops for sure. Check out the Ninja's sausage movement in his pink snow suit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZW-lxe4ZAI --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: There's no faster way to bring down a *religious* figure than with a good 'ol fashion sex scandal! Now if they could only come up with a home made video of him getting down with his three wives, all together. Now, put that on Pay per View for the whole world to see! The jihad would be over. Nah. The CIA doesn't get off on straight sex. They would rather make a video of Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/05/cia_group_had_wacky_id\ eas_to_d.html# From: Tom Pall thomas.pall@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 14, 2011 10:30:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Osama's porn collection  http://ca.news.yahoo.com/exclusive-pornography-found-bin-laden-hideout-o\ fficials-162214194.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hindu Barbie
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Found this image on the Net today while surfing, and thought that it was way cute. If the TM movement had found a way to arrange a product tie-in arrangement with Mattel Toys and thus get a kickback on every unit sold, would this not have SO been Maharishi's Recommended Barbie? [http://frtim.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/hindu-barbie2.jpg?w=225h=300 http://frtim.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/hindu-barbie2.jpg?w=225h=300 ] The source of the above Barbie, just to show that its creator is ecumenically satirical, and wasn't singling out Hinduism alone: Barbie Gets Religion http://frtim.wordpress.com/2010/04/12/barbie-gets-religion/ [224] http://frtim.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/jewish-barbie.jpg Orthodox Jewish Barbie I swore I wouldn't blog about Episco-Barbie http://www.religionnews.com/index.php?/rnstext/barbie_gets_ordained_and\ _has_the_wardrobe_to_match/ . I even posted the following to Facebook/Twitter: No, I will not be blogging about the Episcopal Barbie. Great idea but she's gotten enough press already. I don't like jumping on blogging bandwagons. But then I was introduced to Tefillin Barbie http://www.hasoferet.com/bar/barbie.shtml , an Orthodox Jewish version of the iconic doll. And so, in the name of interfaith dialogue, I decided they just had to meet. [265] http://frtim.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/episco-barbie.jpg Episco-Barbie I'm blogging about this with a caveat, however. My seminary classmate, the Rev. Cynthia Hallas, claims she made an Episco-Barbie 10 years ago. Which might just set off a cat fight between the two Barbies the dolls not the priests involved. (And please pardon the sexist expression cat fight not sure what else to call it). [300] http://frtim.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/buddhist-barbie.jpg Buddhist Barbie But let's not just stop at the Judeo-Christian objectifying of women. While I was at it I found a Buddhist Barbie, a Nun Barbie, a Hindu Barbie, a Wicca Barbie, and a Muslim Barbie. So enjoy these images and try not to retch on your computer. Though that give me an idea Hangover Barbie! [300] http://frtim.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/hindu-barbie2.jpg Hindu Barbie [300] http://frtim.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/nun-barbie.jpg Nun Barbie [300] http://frtim.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/muslim-barbie1.jpg Muslim Barbie [200] http://frtim.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/wicca_barbie1.jpg Wicca Barbie
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden?
Curtis, you seem to be suggesting that there's something wrong with attempting to construct a rational, logical argument for a premise that one has already accepted on faith or on the basis of personal experience, and that any such argument must necessarily be flawed because it's designed to achieve a predetermined conclusion. Have I misread you? Because rational/logical arguments for and against the existence of God have been going on for millennia among both religionists and philosophers, many if not most of whom had a personal investment in the outcome of the arguments, i.e., they already believed one or the other was the case. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Thanks for watching it Barry. It is an important insight into the guy. I feel such an affinity with him since I spent 4 years at MIU with this exact agenda. I believe he is sincere just as I was. He is obviously a smart guy. So he feels confident that he can take on any intellectual challenge just as Thomas Aquinas did for the Church when they discovered Aristotle and Plato. All of our MIU courses were designed to lead us to the conclusion that we had found the highest wisdom in Maharishi's teaching from the perspective of any discipline. And no group took more self-satisfied delight in the perfection of his teaching than the philosophy department! While the sciences kind of lived in metaphor-land which had such a hokeiness to it, we were the ones really diving into the tools of thinking to show how brilliant Maharishi was and how his teaching solved all the paradoxes and unsolvable problems in Western philosophy. We were his righteous warriors whose work would unbend the cowering Hindu mysticism and let it walk right up to Western philosophy on its own terms (or so we imagined) and blacken its eye with its own fist! Till I realized that we had not. Like Craig our surety was built on a flawed foundation of the appeal to the primacy of mystical subjective experience. Just as he is so sure of the witness of the holy spirit as the true hidden premise, we had our witness of our own minds, sitting quietly on the throne of self-satisfied perfect surety, the unceasing bliss of being the knower-of-reality, the saved, (ooops wrong pretentious language, that is Craigs!) the leaders of the new age of enlightenment for all mankind. So we labored over philosophy texts and tried to master the ideas and perspectives but never let them be applied to our claims of mystical experience as the basis of it all, like a hidden Vatican library that issues no check out cards for the books. Then we would go out for a few drinks with Hegel or Kant or Hume (they would order Campari and we would order Vedically warm spring water). We would chat with them showing how earnestly we had mastered their vocabulary, their ideas until they saw us as sincere friends who appreciated their work. Until the Roofies kicked in. Then we would put a pillow case over their heads and beat them with socks filled with batteries and padlocks until they were bludgeoned into submission with our cries of triumph: The state of Unity Consciousness is the perfect fulfillment of the subjective and objective approaches in philosophy because it contains perfect subjectivity (the true Self) and perfect objectivity (the universal Being behind all creation) within it. Score team Maharishi, spike the ball, end-zone dance for everyone! Waking up from the cranial bruises, the great minds of the past would not be able to point out our fatally flawed pre-suppositions that all rested on an interpretation of our silence in meditation (or activity) as the actual basis for all that exists. The witness of the holy tradition spirit working its epistemological surety magic. Craig is every professor I had at MIU, using academic language to convince a bunch of naive young people that even from the perspective of Western philosophy, we were justified for believing the ideas of an advance man for the Hindu pope that we had the highest wisdom of life. And armed with this intellectual confidence we would not be shaken by all the academics pointing to us and saying but you have no clothes. We were wearing them on the INSIDE. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: OK I guess we are all over it. The link I provide where Craig reveals his true epistemology is interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-fDyPU3wlQ That's it exactly. Start with faith in unproven and unprovable ideas, and then work backwards to find logical-sounding arguments that support that faith. What I don't understand is, if these guys' faith is so strong, why do they have such a need to 1) prove it
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi verifies Carlsen's Enlightenment
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 4:43 AM, cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: On May 9, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Tom Pall wrote: Pedophilia is also a sexual orientation, given by God, probably genetic just like homosexuality. Just occurred to me, is it perchance plausible that some pedophiles get married just to have a chance to get themselves a legal sex toy? Lo and behold, even gay pedophiles!? Smatter for you? Never watch Law and Order SVU? Happens every 3rd episode. It's LO SVU I got my pedo's just another yet unrecognized, not yet legalized, not yet government mandated sexual orientation argument from. You can learn a lot from TV. Like, for example, people are getting thrown out of the Mens dome in droves for knock down drag out fights with other guys there. Ones who don't get thrown out for fighting are in India at a non-TM sanctioned Ayurvedic clinic being treated for terminal diseases. Archie Bunker explained all of this years ago. He said to keep away from natural food. He said that most people die of natural causes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hindu Barbie
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip http://frtim.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/jewish-barbie.jpg Orthodox Jewish Barbie Um, no, Reform Jewish Barbie.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden?
and I thought you had the newest trend of the GIYFFR Guru in You fake foam routine in mind [:((] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: You are too kind. Thanks. Reminds me of the old Steve Martin routine. OK I'll admit it. I LIKE wearing men's underwear! And I wear them on the INSIDE of my pants so no one knows I have them on. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: but you have no clothes. We were wearing them on the INSIDE. that's the phrase of the week [:D] I'm so drawn up in your zone All the kids have always known That the emperor wears no clothes But they bow down to him anyway It's better than being alone
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi verifies Carlsen's Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: On May 9, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Tom Pall wrote: Pedophilia is also a sexual orientation, given by God, probably genetic just like homosexuality. (Probably not, actually.) Just occurred to me, is it perchance plausible that some pedophiles get married just to have a chance to get themselves a legal sex toy? Lo and behold, even gay pedophiles!? If you mean by having kids to hit on, no. It's just as illegal, if not more so, to sexually abuse your own kids.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hindu Barbie
America's favorite plastic shiksa might be able to explain how today's generation of Jews feels about being Jewish. Barbie was created in 1959 by Ruth Handler (a Jewish woman). But Barbie did not particularly resemble Handler's daughter Barbara, after whom the doll is named. With her blond-bombshell image and perfect nose, The Tribe suggests that Barbie symbolizes the goyishe ideal for a generation of Jews who assimilated their way to the American Dream. Bruised by a history of antisemitism and marginalization, and living in an age before cultural specificity was cool, these Jews chose to play down their tribal uniqueness and blend in to their surroundings. All-American Hollywood is one product of this generation; the Barbie doll is another. http://www.tribethefilm.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_twFE5ibk0Ifeature=player_embedded http://tinyurl.com/42ms347 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8xW3QvqbDQfeature=player_embedded http://tinyurl.com/3o2zbpj --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip http://frtim.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/jewish-barbie.jpg Orthodox Jewish Barbie Um, no, Reform Jewish Barbie.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden?
Hi just stopping by this morning on my way to Quaker Meeting. This is an excellent talk by this Craig guy about spiritual doubt. His starting first from context of experience or lack there of; got spiritual experience or you don't. And then differently that variability of reasoning without experience. May be you guys that are hung up on his Christain buzzwords could substitute Unified Field for his language use of Holy Spirit or God, if the Christain things set you off. That might help you listen to what he has to say. It is really not about the argument you want to make it. You just need more experience. Then you'd see. I love yous. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: OK I guess we are all over it. The link I provide where Craig reveals his true epistemology is interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-fDyPU3wlQ That's it exactly. Start with faith in unproven and unprovable ideas, and then work backwards to find logical-sounding arguments that support that faith.
[FairfieldLife] Very Rare Open Event in the Dome
Tonite, concert with Paul Horn. Men's dome on campus. Open even to meditators, govs. TM-citizens and public without current dome badges. 7:45pm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Curtis, you seem to be suggesting that there's something wrong with attempting to construct a rational, logical argument for a premise that one has already accepted on faith or on the basis of personal experience, and that any such argument must necessarily be flawed because it's designed to achieve a predetermined conclusion. Have I misread you? You raise an interesting point. In science I accept that a hypothesis can come from anywhere as long as it goes through the process honestly. So is it different for a philosophical proposition? No, I think it is the same. I think the issue I take objection to is that for Craig, and me in my past, there is no possibility for counter evidence to the idea that could change his or my mind. This is not an honest use of the methods of philosophy IMO. You must be open to being wrong. My other criticism for Craig is that he seems unaware that he has loaded his proposition with an assumption in the beginning and then acts surprised when it comes out the other end of a syllogism. It is one of the modern criticism of some of Socrate's arguments. This is not an honest use of the method IMO. It was also ubiquitous at MIU. When the bio majors used the vacuum state as an analogy for DNA, they were not on such shaky ground. It was a teaching tool. It may have reinforced the dogma a bit, but it didn't subvert their scientific training. But the way we operated in the philosophy department was much more creepy. Because rational/logical arguments for and against the existence of God have been going on for millennia among both religionists and philosophers, many if not most of whom had a personal investment in the outcome of the arguments, i.e., they already believed one or the other was the case. It is widely accepted in academic philosophy that none have succeeded. Even guys like Plato are full of assumptions that modern philosophers shoot down. The problem in using philosophy this way is that guys like Craig are not speaking to groups with the necessary tools to see where he stacks the deck. The same was true for us at MIU. Until two brilliant students who were initiators did. It was an amazing clash of minds. They proved the religious rather than the scientific nature of SCI using the techniques we had been taught in the philosophy of science course in a paper. The hubub was wild with the administration getting involved and requiring the students being forced to have many private meetings to correct their thinking. They came away very disillusioned. (I of course immediately rolled them under the bus of judging their thinking as tired being the good little company man!) But I knew them well enough to understand their issues and they were legit in hindsight. When Maharishi caught wind of the controversy the philosophy major came to a screeching halt. I am really glad I was there when they had it. But your challenge of what is the legitimate use of philosophy to understand reality, sort of how I think John is using it, seems like something I need to think about more. It is important that I refrain from judging the source and only focus on the process as we have been doing with Craig so far. But his statement about the relationship of his inner witness of the holy spirit and reason did kinda creep me out with the deja-vu vibe. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Thanks for watching it Barry. It is an important insight into the guy. I feel such an affinity with him since I spent 4 years at MIU with this exact agenda. I believe he is sincere just as I was. He is obviously a smart guy. So he feels confident that he can take on any intellectual challenge just as Thomas Aquinas did for the Church when they discovered Aristotle and Plato. All of our MIU courses were designed to lead us to the conclusion that we had found the highest wisdom in Maharishi's teaching from the perspective of any discipline. And no group took more self-satisfied delight in the perfection of his teaching than the philosophy department! While the sciences kind of lived in metaphor-land which had such a hokeiness to it, we were the ones really diving into the tools of thinking to show how brilliant Maharishi was and how his teaching solved all the paradoxes and unsolvable problems in Western philosophy. We were his righteous warriors whose work would unbend the cowering Hindu mysticism and let it walk right up to Western philosophy on its own terms (or so we imagined) and blacken its eye with its own fist! Till I realized that we had not. Like Craig our surety was built on a flawed foundation of the appeal to the primacy of mystical subjective experience. Just as he is so sure of the witness of the holy spirit as the true hidden
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Hi just stopping by this morning on my way to Quaker Meeting. This is an excellent talk by this Craig guy about spiritual doubt. His starting first from context of experience or lack there of; got spiritual experience or you don't. And then differently that variability of reasoning without experience. Not when we are dealing with the forms of logic of the scientific method. The criticism of Craig I have is that his premises are not self-evident starting points. They are loaded so that the conclusion is inevitable. This has nothing to do with where he got the idea in the first place. Reason does not vary with your experience. That is if you are using it well and honestly. May be you guys that are hung up on his Christain buzzwords could substitute Unified Field for his language use of Holy Spirit or God, if the Christain things set you off. Right that helps a lot. Using a scientific word in a poetic context is way better than an imaginary Casper who somehow managed to knock up Mary with his transcendental nads. That might help you listen to what he has to say. It is really not about the argument you want to make it. You just need more experience. Then you'd see. Yeah the old condescension maneuver. Let's see how this works in reverse. I have a secret experience that you don't have that proves that you are wrong about this. Too bad you are not on the same level of my experience or you would agree with me. To assume the neither Barry nor I have had any of your cherished experiences in our stint in the movement and afterwords is assumptive arrogance. Perhaps we have and are interpreting its meaning and value differently from you. I love yous. You demean a beautiful concept by your manipulative use of it here. Jai Guru Dev, The original reality show success, from homeless to Hindu pope! -Buck So I am so assume that everything you wrote above is part of your shtick character Doug? OK --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: OK I guess we are all over it. The link I provide where Craig reveals his true epistemology is interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-fDyPU3wlQ That's it exactly. Start with faith in unproven and unprovable ideas, and then work backwards to find logical-sounding arguments that support that faith.
[FairfieldLife] My Hobo with a Shotgun mini review
Loved it. Turq didn't but he said he fast forwarded through it. This was a homage to 1980's movies and I will be looking forward to the Bluray of it which I hope has commentary. The movie is filmed even from the opening titles as a 1980s film and editing and style is very 1980s grindhouse. No wonder as director Jason Eisner wrote the fake trailer of Hobo with a Shotgun in the Grindhouse film dual feature a couple years back. The film is set in a dystopian past aka 1980s as you will notice most of the cars including a DeLorean are from the 1980s and I think they left a few late model cars in the background to make it purposely grindhouse funky. Rutger Hauer plays a Charles Bronson like hobo who comes into a town run by criminals. In fact this film is sort of a homage to Bronson's Death Wish. Molly Dunsworth plays a young Jennifer Grey looking prostitute he takes up with. Two of the young hoods even resemble teenage Tom Cruise and Charlie Sheen. It's a gory film though some of it intentionally fake gore but very fun and entertaining. Especially if you're into films of the 70s and 80s. Released to theaters this weekend, probably some art houses but I watched in on Vudu.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden? (Music of the Spheres)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Curtis and Judy, The latest results in cosmological research show that the universe may have started as quantum mechanical fluctuations at a very high temperature scale that can't be duplicated here on earth. John, are absolutely sure about this? This could have profound implications. I, like I think most of us, grew up thinking that the temperature scale could be duplicated on earth. But now you are saying no, this is not the case. This is defintely a turning point. I got all of the information above from the lecture that was cited in the earlier post. If you have the time, you should watch it. It's amazing how they were able to piece together these data from ingenious recording devices. The lecturer seems to be suggesting that there may be other universes that were created along with ours. But it appears that it will be difficult to prove this conjecture.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Curtis, you seem to be suggesting that there's something wrong with attempting to construct a rational, logical argument for a premise that one has already accepted on faith or on the basis of personal experience, and that any such argument must necessarily be flawed because it's designed to achieve a predetermined conclusion. Have I misread you? You raise an interesting point. In science I accept that a hypothesis can come from anywhere as long as it goes through the process honestly. So is it different for a philosophical proposition? No, I think it is the same. I think the issue I take objection to is that for Craig, and me in my past, there is no possibility for counter evidence to the idea that could change his or my mind. This is not an honest use of the methods of philosophy IMO. You must be open to being wrong. Being wrong about whether God exists? Or being wrong about the correctness of your logical reasoning? 'Cause it ain't likely you'll find out whether you're wrong about God's existence, at least while you're still alive. Tangentially, Craig has another video that I thought made a good point about the old saw that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence in connection with God's existence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-5PFRc2FIAfeature=related Doesn't prove anything one way or the other, but it kind of takes the wind out of the sails of the atheist's argument that he's addressing, that if God exists, we should have all kinds of evidence for it. My other criticism for Craig is that he seems unaware that he has loaded his proposition with an assumption in the beginning and then acts surprised when it comes out the other end of a syllogism. It is one of the modern criticism of some of Socrate's arguments. That he acts surprised? I don't get this. snip Because rational/logical arguments for and against the existence of God have been going on for millennia among both religionists and philosophers, many if not most of whom had a personal investment in the outcome of the arguments, i.e., they already believed one or the other was the case. It is widely accepted in academic philosophy that none have succeeded. Even guys like Plato are full of assumptions that modern philosophers shoot down. Sure, but neither side's arguments have succeeded. The problem in using philosophy this way is that guys like Craig are not speaking to groups with the necessary tools to see where he stacks the deck. Well, he didn't seem to have any problem addressing Hawking and Davies et al., who appear to have a lot of excellent tools. He speaks to both types of groups, IOW. The same was true for us at MIU. Until two brilliant students who were initiators did. It was an amazing clash of minds. They proved the religious rather than the scientific nature of SCI using the techniques we had been taught in the philosophy of science course in a paper. The hubub was wild with the administration getting involved and requiring the students being forced to have many private meetings to correct their thinking. They came away very disillusioned. (I of course immediately rolled them under the bus of judging their thinking as tired being the good little company man!) But I knew them well enough to understand their issues and they were legit in hindsight. When Maharishi caught wind of the controversy the philosophy major came to a screeching halt. I am really glad I was there when they had it. But your challenge of what is the legitimate use of philosophy to understand reality, sort of how I think John is using it, seems like something I need to think about more. It is important that I refrain from judging the source and only focus on the process as we have been doing with Craig so far. But his statement about the relationship of his inner witness of the holy spirit and reason did kinda creep me out with the deja-vu vibe. I just don't think you're going to find many folks mounting arguments for God's existence who don't have some degree of inner certainty to start with. It seems to me *laudable* that such people would do their best to construct a logical argument to support that inner certainty. Sometimes it appears that atheists think it's perfectly fine for *them* to do this--to construct a logical argument against God's existence--but not for believers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hindu Barbie
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: But let's not just stop at the Judeo-Christian objectifying of women. While I was at it I found a Buddhist Barbie, a Nun Barbie, a Hindu Barbie, a Wicca Barbie, and a Muslim Barbie. So enjoy these images and try not to retch on your computer. Though that give me an idea Hangover Barbie! [300] http://frtim.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/hindu-barbie2.jpg Hindu Barbie Whoa, looks quite a lot like Taylor (Hunter Tylo)! :0
[FairfieldLife] Debunking the Myth of the Underprivileged (American) Soldier
A somewhat dated editorial in *USA Today* http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-11-27-soldier-edit_x.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi verifies Carlsen's Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: Like, for example, people are getting thrown out of the Mens dome in droves for knock down drag out fights with other guys there. Ones who don't get thrown out for fighting are in India at a non-TM sanctioned Ayurvedic clinic being treated for terminal diseases. Archie Bunker explained all of this years ago. He said to keep away from natural food. He said that most people die of natural causes. Tom, who can be left in the TM Movement? Between most everyone on your CIC except one or two coming down with serious psychological disorders, and with droves of men getting thrown out of the dome for brawls, and the numerous other examples you site - have you asked the last one out to be sure to turn off the light. Because we must be getting to that point.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Osama's porn collection
No, something more along this order. Especially the dubbing part. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5lDfumdO_E --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: Raunch, I think the CIA could hire a movie director from some early 80's Chinese martial arts movies to do some propaganda of Osama and his buddies doing what you suggest below, and you would accept it as concrete and compelling evidence. Been there done that. To discredit bin Laden the CIA produced Hard Gay Ninja. CIA psy-ops for sure. Check out the Ninja's sausage movement in his pink snow suit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZW-lxe4ZAI --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: There's no faster way to bring down a *religious* figure than with a good 'ol fashion sex scandal! Now if they could only come up with a home made video of him getting down with his three wives, all together. Now, put that on Pay per View for the whole world to see! The jihad would be over. Nah. The CIA doesn't get off on straight sex. They would rather make a video of Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/05/cia_group_had_wacky_id\ eas_to_d.html# From: Tom Pall thomas.pall@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 14, 2011 10:30:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Osama's porn collection  http://ca.news.yahoo.com/exclusive-pornography-found-bin-laden-hideout-o\ fficials-162214194.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Very Rare Open Event in the Dome
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Tonite, concert with Paul Horn. Men's dome on campus. Open even to meditators, govs. TM-citizens and public without current dome badges. 7:45pm Oh, Buck, I'm so happy for you. You belong Buck, you belong. Isn't it just Wonderful!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Very Rare Open Event in the Dome
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 1:20 PM, seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.netwrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Tonite, concert with Paul Horn. Men's dome on campus. Open even to meditators, govs. TM-citizens and public without current dome badges. 7:45pm Oh, Buck, I'm so happy for you. You belong Buck, you belong. Isn't it just Wonderful! Ray, you may be a bit fuzzy about Iowa geography when cheering Doug about where he belongs. The dome is in Fairfield, not Mount Pleasant.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi verifies Carlsen's Enlightenment [1 Attachment]
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 1:13 PM, seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.netwrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: Like, for example, people are getting thrown out of the Mens dome in droves for knock down drag out fights with other guys there. Ones who don't get thrown out for fighting are in India at a non-TM sanctioned Ayurvedic clinic being treated for terminal diseases. Archie Bunker explained all of this years ago. He said to keep away from natural food. He said that most people die of natural causes. Tom, who can be left in the TM Movement? Between most everyone on your CIC except one or two coming down with serious psychological disorders, and with droves of men getting thrown out of the dome for brawls, and the numerous other examples you site - have you asked the last one out to be sure to turn off the light. Because we must be getting to that point. Can you imagine two TB men duking it out? The mind boggles. Heck, I'd have a #1 and a #2 experience just watching it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Curtis, you seem to be suggesting that there's something wrong with attempting to construct a rational, logical argument for a premise that one has already accepted on faith or on the basis of personal experience, and that any such argument must necessarily be flawed because it's designed to achieve a predetermined conclusion. Have I misread you? You raise an interesting point. In science I accept that a hypothesis can come from anywhere as long as it goes through the process honestly. So is it different for a philosophical proposition? No, I think it is the same. I think the issue I take objection to is that for Craig, and me in my past, there is no possibility for counter evidence to the idea that could change his or my mind. This is not an honest use of the methods of philosophy IMO. You must be open to being wrong. Being wrong about whether God exists? Or being wrong about the correctness of your logical reasoning? Wrong about what ever premise you are proposing. Also wrong in your reasoning. We have many cognitive flaws that make good reasoning very difficult. It helps to have others around you telling you where you are full of it sometimes. 'Cause it ain't likely you'll find out whether you're wrong about God's existence, at least while you're still alive. There are so many concepts of God. It seems improper to even use one word for them all. As far as God's existence goes for me the evidence is not compelling and the reasons people believe in him don't work for me. I cannot say whether any of them are actually factual statements about a super being. I can just say that we can study the history of these ideas to locate when men created them and how the idea has changed over time. I put it on a low probability of turning out true. Tangentially, Craig has another video that I thought made a good point about the old saw that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence in connection with God's existence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-5PFRc2FIAfeature=related I'll check it out. I enjoy his videos I watched a few others. But just from what you have written I will say that this truth does not increase the possibility of it being true. It is up to those proposing the concepts to make a case. So far they have not for me. It is impossible to state that anyone can know that one of the God ideas is definitely NOT true. You really can't prove a negative like this. But it also doesn't increase the odds of it being true just because we can't prove it is untrue. It isn't like a 50 50 chance. The history of man with these ideas puts it at a very low probability for me. I have not heard a compelling case why someone shouldn't believe in Moon as the messiah once we start down this road. It all seems conveniently culturally random what people end up believing in this area. Doesn't prove anything one way or the other, but it kind of takes the wind out of the sails of the atheist's argument that he's addressing, that if God exists, we should have all kinds of evidence for it. My other criticism for Craig is that he seems unaware that he has loaded his proposition with an assumption in the beginning and then acts surprised when it comes out the other end of a syllogism. It is one of the modern criticism of some of Socrate's arguments. That he acts surprised? I don't get this. snip Because rational/logical arguments for and against the existence of God have been going on for millennia among both religionists and philosophers, many if not most of whom had a personal investment in the outcome of the arguments, i.e., they already believed one or the other was the case. It is widely accepted in academic philosophy that none have succeeded. Even guys like Plato are full of assumptions that modern philosophers shoot down. Sure, but neither side's arguments have succeeded. No, what I am saying is that modern philosophers have succeeded in proving philosophically the flaws in all the God arguments. But it is kind of a moot point because guys like Craig don't really put stock in them either, they rely on mystical experience which creates the problem of, then why not Moon, or Bin Laden? They have compelling subjective experiences leading to complete conviction also. The problem in using philosophy this way is that guys like Craig are not speaking to groups with the necessary tools to see where he stacks the deck. Well, he didn't seem to have any problem addressing Hawking and Davies et al., who appear to have a lot of excellent tools. He speaks to both types of groups, IOW. You are right about that. But most of his time is
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden?
Judy Being wrong about whether God exists? Or being wrong about the correctness of your logical reasoning? This section below should read their premises and reasoning not your which means I was directing it to you Judy. I am not. ME: Wrong about what ever premise you are proposing. Also wrong in your reasoning. We have many cognitive flaws that make good reasoning very difficult. It helps to have others around you telling you where you are full of it sometimes. 'Cause it ain't likely you'll find out whether you're wrong about God's existence, at least while you're still alive. There are so many concepts of God. It seems improper to even use one word for them all. As far as God's existence goes for me the evidence is not compelling and the reasons people believe in him don't work for me. I cannot say whether any of them are actually factual statements about a super being. I can just say that we can study the history of these ideas to locate when men created them and how the idea has changed over time. I put it on a low probability of turning out true. Tangentially, Craig has another video that I thought made a good point about the old saw that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence in connection with God's existence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-5PFRc2FIAfeature=related I'll check it out. I enjoy his videos I watched a few others. But just from what you have written I will say that this truth does not increase the possibility of it being true. It is up to those proposing the concepts to make a case. So far they have not for me. It is impossible to state that anyone can know that one of the God ideas is definitely NOT true. You really can't prove a negative like this. But it also doesn't increase the odds of it being true just because we can't prove it is untrue. It isn't like a 50 50 chance. The history of man with these ideas puts it at a very low probability for me. I have not heard a compelling case why someone shouldn't believe in Moon as the messiah once we start down this road. It all seems conveniently culturally random what people end up believing in this area. Doesn't prove anything one way or the other, but it kind of takes the wind out of the sails of the atheist's argument that he's addressing, that if God exists, we should have all kinds of evidence for it. My other criticism for Craig is that he seems unaware that he has loaded his proposition with an assumption in the beginning and then acts surprised when it comes out the other end of a syllogism. It is one of the modern criticism of some of Socrate's arguments. That he acts surprised? I don't get this. snip Because rational/logical arguments for and against the existence of God have been going on for millennia among both religionists and philosophers, many if not most of whom had a personal investment in the outcome of the arguments, i.e., they already believed one or the other was the case. It is widely accepted in academic philosophy that none have succeeded. Even guys like Plato are full of assumptions that modern philosophers shoot down. Sure, but neither side's arguments have succeeded. No, what I am saying is that modern philosophers have succeeded in proving philosophically the flaws in all the God arguments. But it is kind of a moot point because guys like Craig don't really put stock in them either, they rely on mystical experience which creates the problem of, then why not Moon, or Bin Laden? They have compelling subjective experiences leading to complete conviction also. The problem in using philosophy this way is that guys like Craig are not speaking to groups with the necessary tools to see where he stacks the deck. Well, he didn't seem to have any problem addressing Hawking and Davies et al., who appear to have a lot of excellent tools. He speaks to both types of groups, IOW. You are right about that. But most of his time is spent with undergrads, that was a fluke encounter. And we seem to see his interaction differently. I thought, although he is well versed in science thoery, he still didn't get the philosophical challenges or answer them effectively. There is a debate with Hitchens. I would like to see if Sam Harris has debated him. So I should give him more credit for going head to head with trained people. I don't necessity agree with arguing the science details as the best way to show the flaws in his argument. It is enough just to identify the assertions as unproven assumptions. The same was true for us at MIU. Until two brilliant students who were initiators did. It was an amazing clash of minds. They proved the religious rather than the scientific nature of SCI using the techniques we had been taught in the philosophy of science course in
[FairfieldLife] Spiritual Depression
I like this thing of Craig's short video on 'doubt'. It seems a great head-on discussion of spiritual depressions along the spiritual experience path, of on-again and off-again awakening spiritual experience. Different from clinical depressions. Different too from just mentalizations or arguing sophism otherwise. Similar to Craig though also practical on the ground, it is interesting that this experience of spiritual depression comes up as a practical thread of discussion also within both Adya Shanti's discoursing here with meditators in Fairfield and also in Bill Bauman's talk and meditation the other day. In both Adya Shanti and also Bauman they turned right around with these folks and worked on spiritual experience. Both as spiritual teachers were incredibly patient but neither dinked around in syllogisms. May be you should have been there to understand the experience spiritually. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-fDyPU3wlQ -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Judy Being wrong about whether God exists? Or being wrong about the correctness of your logical reasoning? This section below should read their premises and reasoning not your which means I was directing it to you Judy. I am not. ME: Wrong about what ever premise you are proposing. Also wrong in your reasoning. We have many cognitive flaws that make good reasoning very difficult. It helps to have others around you telling you where you are full of it sometimes. 'Cause it ain't likely you'll find out whether you're wrong about God's existence, at least while you're still alive. There are so many concepts of God. It seems improper to even use one word for them all. As far as God's existence goes for me the evidence is not compelling and the reasons people believe in him don't work for me. I cannot say whether any of them are actually factual statements about a super being. I can just say that we can study the history of these ideas to locate when men created them and how the idea has changed over time. I put it on a low probability of turning out true. Tangentially, Craig has another video that I thought made a good point about the old saw that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence in connection with God's existence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-5PFRc2FIAfeature=related I'll check it out. I enjoy his videos I watched a few others. But just from what you have written I will say that this truth does not increase the possibility of it being true. It is up to those proposing the concepts to make a case. So far they have not for me. It is impossible to state that anyone can know that one of the God ideas is definitely NOT true. You really can't prove a negative like this. But it also doesn't increase the odds of it being true just because we can't prove it is untrue. It isn't like a 50 50 chance. The history of man with these ideas puts it at a very low probability for me. I have not heard a compelling case why someone shouldn't believe in Moon as the messiah once we start down this road. It all seems conveniently culturally random what people end up believing in this area. Doesn't prove anything one way or the other, but it kind of takes the wind out of the sails of the atheist's argument that he's addressing, that if God exists, we should have all kinds of evidence for it. My other criticism for Craig is that he seems unaware that he has loaded his proposition with an assumption in the beginning and then acts surprised when it comes out the other end of a syllogism. It is one of the modern criticism of some of Socrate's arguments. That he acts surprised? I don't get this. snip Because rational/logical arguments for and against the existence of God have been going on for millennia among both religionists and philosophers, many if not most of whom had a personal investment in the outcome of the arguments, i.e., they already believed one or the other was the case. It is widely accepted in academic philosophy that none have succeeded. Even guys like Plato are full of assumptions that modern philosophers shoot down. Sure, but neither side's arguments have succeeded. No, what I am saying is that modern philosophers have succeeded in proving philosophically the flaws in all the God arguments. But it is kind of a moot point because guys like Craig don't really put stock in them either, they rely on mystical experience which creates the problem of, then why not Moon, or Bin Laden? They have compelling subjective experiences leading to complete conviction also. The problem in using philosophy this way is that guys like Craig are not speaking to groups with the necessary
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi verifies Carlsen's Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: Can you imagine two TB men duking it out? The mind boggles. TM TB Boot Camp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol5Dfs7jqFI Heck, I'd have a #1 and a #2 experience just watching it. Just as a hint, dude, revelations about your excretory functions definitely fall into the category of Too Much Information.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Very Rare Open Event in the Dome
D'oh! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 1:20 PM, seventhray1 steve.sundur@...wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Tonite, concert with Paul Horn. Men's dome on campus. Open even to meditators, govs. TM-citizens and public without current dome badges. 7:45pm Oh, Buck, I'm so happy for you. You belong Buck, you belong. Isn't it just Wonderful! Ray, you may be a bit fuzzy about Iowa geography when cheering Doug about where he belongs. The dome is in Fairfield, not Mount Pleasant.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi verifies Carlsen's Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: Can you imagine two TB men duking it out? The mind boggles. Heck, I'd have a #1 and a #2 experience just watching it. I just hope there is a restroom close by'
[FairfieldLife] Russian pantheon and Sanskrit!
From Google's PaaNini-group: Russian pantheon. Cognate words in Sanskrit and Russian. The Russian pantheon. Cognate words in Sanskrit and Russian provides a unique and incredibly deep insight into the consanguinity of Russian and Sanskrit. This is the first book in Russian language about application of the Panini's grammar in word derivations and in morphological analysis including both languages - Sanskrit and Russian. All examples are provided with full derivation history beginning with the verb root as it is found in the dhatupatha of Panini and ending in the final form of every word considered. The study covers all names of the chief pagan deities building Russian pantheon and a number of other important words in the Russian language. Many archaic patterns in the national character of modern Russians are unveiled and explained through the grammatical analysis of cognate words in Sanskrit and Russian. The book is in Russian language. HARDCOVER: ISBN 978-1-4475-0748-2 http://www.lulu.com/product/hardcover/russian-pantheon-cognate-words-in-sanskrit-and-russian/15123375 PAPERBACK: ISBN 978-1-4475-1180-9 http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/russian-pantheon-cognate-words-in-sanskrit-and-russian/10300372 The book in PDF format: https://rapidshare.com/files/460631706/RussianPantheon2011R5.zip (648 pages, 2.7 mb) Wadim Sommer
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Curtis, you seem to be suggesting that there's something wrong with attempting to construct a rational, logical argument for a premise that one has already accepted on faith or on the basis of personal experience, and that any such argument must necessarily be flawed because it's designed to achieve a predetermined conclusion. Have I misread you? You raise an interesting point. In science I accept that a hypothesis can come from anywhere as long as it goes through the process honestly. So is it different for a philosophical proposition? No, I think it is the same. I think the issue I take objection to is that for Craig, and me in my past, there is no possibility for counter evidence to the idea that could change his or my mind. This is not an honest use of the methods of philosophy IMO. You must be open to being wrong. Being wrong about whether God exists? Or being wrong about the correctness of your logical reasoning? Wrong about what ever premise you are proposing. Well, I think you have to scratch that requirement where the existence of God is concerned. I mean, you can't object to someone not being open to being wrong about something that can't be shown to be wrong (whether they're arguing pro or con God's existence). Also wrong in your reasoning. But that's a different story. I just wanted to make that distinction. snip There are so many concepts of God. It seems improper to even use one word for them all. As far as God's existence goes for me the evidence is not compelling and the reasons people believe in him don't work for me. I cannot say whether any of them are actually factual statements about a super being. And of course there are more abstract concepts of God that aren't of a super being and can't be called him (and maybe, in the Advaita context, that one can't even make factual statements about). I sometimes wonder whether, if atheists had never been exposed to anthropomorphic God-concepts but had heard only about the more abstract ones, they might be more receptive, or at least less resistant. snip Tangentially, Craig has another video that I thought made a good point about the old saw that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence in connection with God's existence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-5PFRc2FIAfeature=related I'll check it out. I enjoy his videos I watched a few others. But just from what you have written I will say that this truth does not increase the possibility of it being true. Yes, as I went on to say: snip Doesn't prove anything one way or the other, but it kind of takes the wind out of the sails of the atheist's argument that he's addressing, that if God exists, we should have all kinds of evidence for it. My other criticism for Craig is that he seems unaware that he has loaded his proposition with an assumption in the beginning and then acts surprised when it comes out the other end of a syllogism. It is one of the modern criticism of some of Socrate's arguments. That he acts surprised? I don't get this. I was hoping you'd elaborate on this... Because rational/logical arguments for and against the existence of God have been going on for millennia among both religionists and philosophers, many if not most of whom had a personal investment in the outcome of the arguments, i.e., they already believed one or the other was the case. It is widely accepted in academic philosophy that none have succeeded. Even guys like Plato are full of assumptions that modern philosophers shoot down. Sure, but neither side's arguments have succeeded. No, what I am saying is that modern philosophers have succeeded in proving philosophically the flaws in all the God arguments. Yes, I know that's what you're saying. I'm just pointing out that while you may defeat those arguments, that doesn't prove God's nonexistence. snip I just don't think you're going to find many folks mounting arguments for God's existence who don't have some degree of inner certainty to start with. Good point. The question is do they respect the importance of counter-evidence. If they do not then they are not being reasonable. *What* counter-evidence? It seems to me *laudable* that such people would do their best to construct a logical argument to support that inner certainty. It might be if they respected the method rather than subverting it. As a side example was Maharishi sincerely wondering if the model of quantum mechanics was really a description of his level of Being, or was he using it in a more cynical marketing way to make his assertions sound more sciencey for marketing purposes and to make the believers have more
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Expression
I like this thing of Craig's short video on 'doubt'. It seems a great head-on discussion of spiritual depressions along the spiritual experience path, of on-again and off-again awakening spiritual experience. Different from clinical depressions. Different too from just mentalizations or arguing sophism otherwise. Similar to Craig though also practical on the ground, it is interesting that this experience of spiritual depression comes up as a practical thread of discussion also within both Adya Shanti's discoursing here with meditators in Fairfield and also in Bill Bauman's talk and meditation the other day. In both Adya Shanti and also Bauman they turned right around with these folks and worked on spiritual experience. Both as spiritual teachers were incredibly patient but neither dinked around in syllogisms. May be you should have been there to understand the experience spiritually. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-fDyPU3wlQ -Buck May be you guys that are hung up on his Christain buzzwords could substitute Unified Field for his language use of Holy Spirit or God, if the Christain things set you off. Right that helps a lot. Using a scientific word in a poetic context is way better than an imaginary Casper who somehow managed to knock up Mary with his transcendental nads. Oh that's right, you're being a logical absolutist here epistemologically. Regardless, it's a good story that has some good lessons, like Beware the Pharisees and Scribes. It's a good book, has some great lines, kind of important culturally too for context. Read it lately?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Expression
I like this thing of Craig's short video on 'doubt'. It seems a great head-on discussion of spiritual depressions along the spiritual experience path, of on-again and off-again awakening spiritual experience. Different from clinical depressions. Different too from just mentalizations or arguing sophism otherwise. Similar to Craig though also practical on the ground, it is interesting that this experience of spiritual depression comes up as a practical thread of discussion also within both Adya Shanti's discoursing here with meditators in Fairfield and also in Bill Bauman's talk and meditation the other day. In both Adya Shanti and also Bauman they turned right around with these folks and worked on spiritual experience. Both as spiritual teachers were incredibly patient but neither dinked around in syllogisms. May be you should have been there to understand the experience spiritually. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-fDyPU3wlQ -Buck May be you guys that are hung up on his Christain buzzwords could substitute Unified Field for his language use of Holy Spirit or God, if the Christain things set you off. Right that helps a lot. Using a scientific word in a poetic context is way better than an imaginary Casper who somehow managed to knock up Mary with his transcendental nads. Oh that's right, you're being a logical absolutist here epistemologically. Regardless, it's a good story that has some good lessons, like Beware the Pharisees and Scribes. It's a good book, has some great lines, kind of important culturally too for context. Read it lately? Here's a condensed version: How condescending and how kind Was God's eternal son! Our mis'ry reached his heav'nly mind, And pity brought him down. When justice by our sins provoked, Drew forth its dreadful sword, He gave his soul up to the stroke Without a murm'ring word. Here we receive repeated seals Of Jesus' dying love; Hard is the wretch that never feels One soft affection move. Here let our hearts begin to melt, While we his death record, And with our joy for pardon'ed guilt, Mourn that we pierced the Lord. Possibly you'd like the tune of this hymn if not the content.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Narrative Behind Bin Laden Fable Flip-Flops AGAIN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: snip Although he gets a bump in the polls, the story of Obama's heroism isn't about getting a bump. It's about Homeland Security tightening the noose around our necks. The Times They Are A-Changin'. I don't see a lot of signs of that so far, do you? In fact I do, quite a lot and more so, since I accept the premise that Al Qaeda has been in cahoots from its inception with the CIA, which is well known for creating agent provocateurs. I think that's just nuts, frankly. The CIA did help *create* Al Qaeda when it supported the mujahadin in Afghanistan against the Russians, but there's no reason to think it still does. It's not nuts if you're willing to go down the rabbit hole with Alex Jones. But is it nuts to be willing to go down the rabbit hole with Alex Jones? It's not any more nuts that believing the everything the government tells you. The rabbit hole can be fun. Come on. Where's your sense of adventure? I think you're about to go over to the dark side, raunchy, away from your liberal roots. You really ought to look more closely at Jones and what he preaches and stands for. Not to worry, my liberal roots are just fine, touched them up today. It's just that it makes no sense that liberals questioned the government passionately when Bush was in power, but question the government very little now that Obama is in power. Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. Thomas Jefferson It's not news that Alex Jones is a wacky conspiracy theorist and his heart-throb is Libertarian, Ron Paul, whose heart-throb is Ayn Rand, a disgusting sociopath. I have no use for heartless SOBs the likes of her. Glenn Beck is also a Libertarian. The difference is that Beck is a sick fuck, who intentionally lies, whereas Jones may be a sick fuck but as far as I can tell, he doesn't intentionally lie. Rather, he pieces together factual events as he sees them, tosses them into his conspiracy-mixing bowl, lets the batter get half baked, then sells whatever comes out of the oven. Just because he has yummy cookie-cutter ideas, doesn't mean I'll eat all the cookies. Media Matters has a whole passel of stuff on Jones: http://mediamatters.org/search/tag/alex_jones?tab=all Under the Research tab, Who Is Alex Jones? has a good rundown. snip As to your quotes, a lot of what they report was going on well before the Osama raid, so one can't say that the raid is what triggered it. The emergency text message business has been in the works for years, for example. Of course an emergency texting system has been in the works for years, but before they killed bin Laden how well do you think the news of not being able to opt out of receiving a Presidential threat alert would have went over? To be honest, I'm not sure what's so bad about that. What's bad about Orwell's1984? Just as Winston Smith could not opt out of the telescreen used to inform the government, misinform and monitor the population, we cannot opt out of the president's terror alerts. And this on the heels of Janet Napolitano changing the DHS terror alert system from colors to text, elevated or imminent. Coinkydink? Gee, most folks seem to think this is a good move, a climb-down from the Bush DHS nitwittery. You thought the color-coded system was better? And how far back do the heels go? I mean, how long ago does a security move of some sort have to have been made before you stop wondering if it was more than a coincidence that it was done before the Osama raid? How far indeed, if there's no possibility of entertaining a coincidence to begin with? snip The no-ride idea was Sen. Schumer's. It's brainless and has not been well received. Count Amtrak among the brainless. They're up for it. Ehh, maybe not so much. Here's what they said: Amtrak is committed to the safety and security of our passengers and remains a safe way to travel. All countermeasures add value in creating an overall security posture in protecting a rail system that operates in an open environment. The creation of a do not ride list is no exception. It would, however, have to be developed in close coordination with the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) and implemented in a way that respects civil rights and allows for the rapid flow of persons and trains, necessary for effective mass transit. I read this as a polite way of saying to Schumer, Are you freaking nuts?? I don't agree. I read
[FairfieldLife] Re: Very Rare Open Event in the Dome
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Tonite, concert with Paul Horn. Men's dome on campus. Open even to meditators, govs. TM-citizens and public without current dome badges. 7:45pm Oh, Buck, I'm so happy for you. You belong Buck, you belong. Isn't it just Wonderful! Thanks 7Ray. It's like watching the wrestle of civil war between the campus progressives who would like to see it work out on one side and the TM-taliban who would like to keep it the way it was on the other. Little did either party know how many people are here from out of town attending the special Oneness weekend being held in Fairfield and then also the Bill Bauman national reunion weekend held in Fairfield. Jeeese think of all the otherwise in-eligible meditators who are going to be in the dome tonite!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Narrative Behind Bin Laden Fable Flip-Flops AGAIN
On 05/15/2011 04:08 PM, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriendjstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydograunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriendjstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydograunchydog@ wrote: snip Although he gets a bump in the polls, the story of Obama's heroism isn't about getting a bump. It's about Homeland Security tightening the noose around our necks. The Times They Are A-Changin'. I don't see a lot of signs of that so far, do you? In fact I do, quite a lot and more so, since I accept the premise that Al Qaeda has been in cahoots from its inception with the CIA, which is well known for creating agent provocateurs. I think that's just nuts, frankly. The CIA did help *create* Al Qaeda when it supported the mujahadin in Afghanistan against the Russians, but there's no reason to think it still does. It's not nuts if you're willing to go down the rabbit hole with Alex Jones. But is it nuts to be willing to go down the rabbit hole with Alex Jones? It's not any more nuts that believing the everything the government tells you. The rabbit hole can be fun. Come on. Where's your sense of adventure? I think you're about to go over to the dark side, raunchy, away from your liberal roots. You really ought to look more closely at Jones and what he preaches and stands for. Not to worry, my liberal roots are just fine, touched them up today. It's just that it makes no sense that liberals questioned the government passionately when Bush was in power, but question the government very little now that Obama is in power. Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. Thomas Jefferson It's not news that Alex Jones is a wacky conspiracy theorist and his heart-throb is Libertarian, Ron Paul, whose heart-throb is Ayn Rand, a disgusting sociopath. I have no use for heartless SOBs the likes of her. Glenn Beck is also a Libertarian. The difference is that Beck is a sick fuck, who intentionally lies, whereas Jones may be a sick fuck but as far as I can tell, he doesn't intentionally lie. Rather, he pieces together factual events as he sees them, tosses them into his conspiracy-mixing bowl, lets the batter get half baked, then sells whatever comes out of the oven. Just because he has yummy cookie-cutter ideas, doesn't mean I'll eat all the cookies. And I can bet you Judy has no idea of what Alex's listeners are like or can even list things he's for and against. She'll never listen to find out or even look at the forum. For instance: I would estimate that 1/3 of the PrisonPlanet forum is liberal You can just see that in postings there. Again it's just a rough estimate. When they posted a video a couple years back about how the digital TV boxes had cameras in I among other forum members quickly pointed out that the YouTube video was a hoax. For one thing if they really did that then it would have been a contract item that was just part of the board not some little IC camera anyone can buy on the Internet. The belief about cameras in the STBs was all based on a very stupid statement a Comcast exec had made about putting cameras in the set top boxes so they could see who is watching. Well, we DO know that people would NOT like that at all. Jones considers himself a constitutional conservative not just a right winger. And he can be a bit all over the board politically even with taking liberal positions on some things. Hence he is for the 1st Amendment. And of course for the 2nd Amendment. He is also antiwar, anti big corporations, anti corporate and bank bailouts. Now that isn't typical conservative and I know of many progressives who take those positions. And I've mentioned before there are plenty of things I don't agree with him on. (I'm also older than his parents). We're adults (though apparently Judy doesn't think so) and capable of making up our own minds. I listen to it as entertainment and sometimes to see what they're up to. And yes sometimes they scoop stuff days, weeks and months in advance of the MSM. OTOH, I can't stand to watch much of anyone on FOX News because those hosts do make my blood boil and their target audience is definitely people with lower IQs. Mike Rivero announced on Friday that he is going to end his daily 2 hour show in June. He is an atheist and doesn't feel like he fits in with the RBN Christian crowd. He also finds it hard to find advertisers. That's something that progressives like Malloy and Hartmann have problems with too. But then we should expect that the majority of people with money have it because that's all they care about: money. They are otherwise worthless souls. That's why I would like to see estates capped at $20 million. We don't need any
Re: [FairfieldLife] Narrative Behind Bin Laden Fable Flip-Flops AGAIN
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: http://www.prisonplanet.com/narrative-behind-bin-laden-fable-flip-flops-again.html And remember that the day after Obama's announcement I mentioned that it was delayed an hour so they could get troops in civvies to show up outside the WH. According to Wayne Madsen I was partly correct as it was Obama supporters from George Washington and Howard Universities that were called in for the rally and hand new American flags by the White House. Curtis thought it was just a bunch of DC barflies and I was wondering how barflies would be running around with American flags? It was a Wag the Dog.: Civvies? Our resident bag ladies through they were supposed to be troops in skivies and glued themselves to CNN all day long.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Narrative Behind Bin Laden Fable Flip-Flops AGAIN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: snip It's not nuts if you're willing to go down the rabbit hole with Alex Jones. But is it nuts to be willing to go down the rabbit hole with Alex Jones? It's not any more nuts that believing the everything the government tells you. And those are the only two options? I would never recommend that anyone believe everything the government says, but relatively speaking, I think it's a lot less nuts than believing *almost* anything Alex Jones tells you. The rabbit hole can be fun. Come on. Where's your sense of adventure? As I said before, I think people like Jones have the effect of discrediting any questioning of the government, and that's *terribly* dangerous. If I were a government trying to get away with something, I'd be thrilled if Jones picked up on it, because most sensible people would assume he was just paranoid and dismiss the whole thing from their minds. Greenwald is the counterexample. He sometimes verges on the edge of paranoia, but in most cases he has hard evidence of whatever he's griping about, and his arguments are usually supremely logical and extremely thorough. When he complains about something, it's almost always worth paying attention to. (No, it's *always* worth paying attention to, but you may read what he has to say and decide he's overreacting.) I think you're about to go over to the dark side, raunchy, away from your liberal roots. You really ought to look more closely at Jones and what he preaches and stands for. Not to worry, my liberal roots are just fine, touched them up today. It's just that it makes no sense that liberals questioned the government passionately when Bush was in power, but question the government very little now that Obama is in power. I'm in 100 percent agreement with you there. Greenwald, of course, makes that point repeatedly. snip Of course an emergency texting system has been in the works for years, but before they killed bin Laden how well do you think the news of not being able to opt out of receiving a Presidential threat alert would have went over? To be honest, I'm not sure what's so bad about that. What's bad about Orwell's1984? Just as Winston Smith could not opt out of the telescreen used to inform the government, misinform and monitor the population, we cannot opt out of the president's terror alerts. That's so far out of proportion I don't even know how to address it. Come on, Raunchy! You may not be able to opt out of them, but you can sure as hell ignore them, unlike Winston. There's no monitoring involved here. And BTW, as I understand it, it's not just terror alerts. Could be any kind of threat, like a release of radioactivity. And in any case, you were suggesting that there would have been a huge outcry if it weren't for the Osama raid. I'd love to have seen a poll prior to the raid; I'd be willing to bet most people would have been happy to have it. And this on the heels of Janet Napolitano changing the DHS terror alert system from colors to text, elevated or imminent. Coinkydink? Gee, most folks seem to think this is a good move, a climb-down from the Bush DHS nitwittery. You thought the color-coded system was better? And how far back do the heels go? I mean, how long ago does a security move of some sort have to have been made before you stop wondering if it was more than a coincidence that it was done before the Osama raid? How far indeed, if there's no possibility of entertaining a coincidence to begin with? Huh? The no-ride idea was Sen. Schumer's. It's brainless and has not been well received. Count Amtrak among the brainless. They're up for it. Ehh, maybe not so much. Here's what they said: Amtrak is committed to the safety and security of our passengers and remains a safe way to travel. All countermeasures add value in creating an overall security posture in protecting a rail system that operates in an open environment. The creation of a do not ride list is no exception. It would, however, have to be developed in close coordination with the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) and implemented in a way that respects civil rights and allows for the rapid flow of persons and trains, necessary for effective mass transit. I read this as a polite way of saying to Schumer, Are you freaking nuts?? I don't agree. I read this as Amtrak's sheepish PR nod to the inevitable demise of your civil rights before it bows to TSA feeling you up. We'll have to agree to disagree. I think the implicit message is that you *can't* have a no-ride list (let alone TSA screening like at airports) that allows for the rapid flow of persons and trains. It's
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat May 14 00:00:00 2011 End Date (UTC): Sat May 21 00:00:00 2011 152 messages as of (UTC) Mon May 16 00:00:22 2011 24 authfriend jst...@panix.com 14 curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com 13 raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com 12 Tom Pall thomas.p...@gmail.com 11 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com 9 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com 9 Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com 9 Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com 8 seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net 6 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 5 Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net 5 Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 4 John jr_...@yahoo.com 3 whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com 3 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 3 emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com 3 WillyTex willy...@yahoo.com 3 Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com 2 sparaig lengli...@cox.net 2 Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com 1 wayback71 waybac...@yahoo.com 1 martyboi marty...@yahoo.com 1 guyfawkes91 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 Robert babajii...@yahoo.com Posters: 24 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: My Hobo with a Shotgun mini review
I've watched the entire Grindhouse series. The only one I really liked was Machete. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Loved it. Turq didn't but he said he fast forwarded through it. This was a homage to 1980's movies and I will be looking forward to the Bluray of it which I hope has commentary. The movie is filmed even from the opening titles as a 1980s film and editing and style is very 1980s grindhouse. No wonder as director Jason Eisner wrote the fake trailer of Hobo with a Shotgun in the Grindhouse film dual feature a couple years back. The film is set in a dystopian past aka 1980s as you will notice most of the cars including a DeLorean are from the 1980s and I think they left a few late model cars in the background to make it purposely grindhouse funky. Rutger Hauer plays a Charles Bronson like hobo who comes into a town run by criminals. In fact this film is sort of a homage to Bronson's Death Wish. Molly Dunsworth plays a young Jennifer Grey looking prostitute he takes up with. Two of the young hoods even resemble teenage Tom Cruise and Charlie Sheen. It's a gory film though some of it intentionally fake gore but very fun and entertaining. Especially if you're into films of the 70s and 80s. Released to theaters this weekend, probably some art houses but I watched in on Vudu.
[FairfieldLife] Scientism
Scientism in fact is less interested in the real as such which necessarily goes beyond our limitations than in what is non-contradictory, therefore in what is logical, or more precisely, in what is empirically logical; thus in what is logical de facto according to a given experience, and not in what is logical dejure in accordance with the nature of things . . . The fundamental contradiction of scientism is to want to explain the real without the help of that first science which is metaphysics, hence not to know that only the science of the Absolute gives meaning and discipline to the science of the relative; and not to know at the same stroke that the science of the relative, when it is deprived of this help, can only lead to suicide, beginning with that of the intelligence, then with that of the human, and in the end, with that of humanity. Frithjof Schuon ...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Narrative Behind Bin Laden Fable Flip-Flops AGAIN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: snip And I can bet you Judy has no idea of what Alex's listeners are like or can even list things he's for and against. She'll never listen to find out or even look at the forum. You know, Bhairitu, one big reason I don't trust your judgment on much of anything is how consistently wildly wrong you are in the things you say about me. You register that I disagree with you, and the rest you fantasize.
[FairfieldLife] Among the Truthers
Hey, Raunchy and Bhairitu, they've written a book about you! Among the Truthers: A Journey Through America's Growing Conspiracist Underground, by Jonathan Kay Review here: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/15/books/review/book-review-among-the-truthers-by-jonathan-kay.html?ref=review http://tinyurl.com/6g9et7l You can read the preface and first chapter here: http://www.harpercollins.com/browseinside/index.aspx?isbn13=9780062004819 http://tinyurl.com/63en84c The author defines conspiracy theory as A theory that traces important events to a secretive, nefarious cabal, and whose proponents consistently respond to contrary facts not by modifying their theory, but instead by insisting on the existence of ever-wider circles of high-level conspirators controlling most or all parts of society. It's that last part that just nails Bhairitu (less so Raunchy): Couldn't have been Osama; no dialysis machine in the compound. His wife said he'd recovered from his kidney ailment years ago? Well, she's obviously part of the conspiracy. Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and Pakistan all accept that Osama was killed by the U.S. last week? Well, the U.S. is paying them to say that. Etc., etc. Also fascinating is the author's list of conspiracy theorists' talking points, almost all of which we've seen advanced here by Bhairitu and/or Raunchy. Makes you wonder just how much thinking for themselves they're really doing when somebody who doesn't know them from Adam can reel off their positions so precisely.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Among the Truthers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: The author defines conspiracy theory as A theory that traces important events to a secretive, nefarious cabal, and whose proponents consistently respond to contrary facts not by modifying their theory, but instead by insisting on the existence of ever-wider circles of high-level conspirators controlling most or all parts of society. Right, that's it concisely put. The ever widening circle of consipiracy. And if you don't buy into it, then you are just a dupe for anything the government says. That by itself is pretty insulting and manipulative.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Very Rare Open Event in the Dome
Very nice evening. Well produced. Lite and very nice Mc'ing to introduce things. Highly talented collection of musicians. Fabulous music performances. You should have been there. About a thousand people. No crowns nor robes to be seen. -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Tonite, concert with Paul Horn. Men's dome on campus. Open even to meditators, govs. TM-citizens and public without current dome badges. 7:45pm Oh, Buck, I'm so happy for you. You belong Buck, you belong. Isn't it just Wonderful! Thanks 7Ray. It's like watching the wrestle of civil war between the campus progressives who would like to see it work out on one side and the TM-taliban who would like to keep it the way it was on the other. Little did either party know how many people are here from out of town attending the special Oneness weekend being held in Fairfield and then also the Bill Bauman national reunion weekend held in Fairfield. Jeeese think of all the otherwise in-eligible meditators who are going to be in the dome tonite!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Among the Truthers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: The author defines conspiracy theory as A theory that traces important events to a secretive, nefarious cabal, and whose proponents consistently respond to contrary facts not by modifying their theory, but instead by insisting on the existence of ever-wider circles of high-level conspirators controlling most or all parts of society. (I should note that the author is quoting somebody else's definition, but it's the one he's chosen to use.) Right, that's it concisely put. The ever widening circle of consipiracy. And if you don't buy into it, then you are just a dupe for anything the government says. That by itself is pretty insulting and manipulative. Yup, also stupid and wrong. Sure, there are people who believe everything the government says; but there's a huge territory between that and not believing a given conspiracy theory. (We see precisely the same tendency here from certain people with regard to criticisms of the TMO: if you disagree with one of them, you're a True Believer, a religious fanatic.)
