[FairfieldLife] Re: New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hold In Global Warming Alarmism
And again I say: Why do these ignorant wingnut wackos believe everything that happens to fall into their e-mail in boxes? I get this kind of crap all the time from my conservative friends and relatives. The scary thing is that when I point out the inaccuracies and outright falsehoods, they often really don't care whether the specific story is true or not. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Yes, he's an evangelical Christian who also doubts Darwin's theory of evolution. Real scientific guy. See http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2008/05/22/202659/should-you-believe-anything- john-christy-or-roy-spencer-say/ http://www.science20.com/chatter_box/global_warming_skeptic_clouds_issues
[FairfieldLife] Re: #f@ckyouwashington - no not you Tom
Politics is difficult and depressing and crazy-making - and I make myself crazy at times if I delve too far into the mania. Amazing, I wish the pain projecting liberals can come to a conclusion like you. Till the pain ends politics can be a great place for all the projections of a perfect world outside of us. I was lost in it till 2008, couldn't wait for the Rethuglican era to end, they looked evil to me, I'm glad I didn't invest my pain stock with Dolly Lama, Gandhi and MLK..LOL.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Of course I wasn't calling you that...I was actually calling myself that.  Politics is difficult and depressing and crazy-making - and I make myself crazy at times if I delve too far into the mania.  Your opinion is certainly as valid as mine and likely more so (I do not have my bibliography to post online.  I am feeling like I am wasting precious time in life by allowing the politics to affect me at all in this reactive way. I needed some exercise - went for a long swim and my brain is functioning again and feeling  more optimistic.  I get depressed - I'm heading into the big M (and no, that is not M for Maharishi).  It's a brave new world on all fronts. If I don't get exercise, life looks a lot bleaker.  And no, I don't want to pay your property taxes - I just found out mine are the highest in the neighborhood!  Must be because I stupidly told the assessor about the renovations I'd done when I moved in - I've been paying higher taxes for years.  It's endless.  This is why I get so annoyed about corporate america's aversion to paying their fair share - I do. --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: From: Tom Pall thomas.pall@... Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: #f@ckyouwashington To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 6:08 PM  On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote:  I ask myself, why bother with acting like an ignorant pundit?  I choose to retreat from here and spend my time on staying alive.  Survival is a basic instinct, afterall. Well, you also have the choice of being an ignorant feminazi and instead of having a single original thought, post URLs and what they've read in HuffPost and other online rags. You've written some things here that amazed me. So well articulated, so well reasoned, so well thought out that I composed a couple of posts asking you to give the attribution of the source you copied your words from, since except for bitching, there's next to no articulated cogent writing on politics here that's original. I googled and was amazed to find that I couldn't find what you had written anywhere except in FFL. Amazing. BTW, if you were calling me an ignorant pundit, well when you start paying my property taxes, I'll let you guide my life a bit. Maybe even a FF like life coach, which according to the last US census, was the stated profession of 80% of all ru women in FF. Otherwise, I'll assume you were talking about our feminazis and not me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hold In Global Warming Alarmism
Joe - Well we do need someone to balance out our liberal crackpot do.rflex. He hasn't been posting lately - would you like to fill in? All you need to do is mindlessly copy and paste from liberal wingnut wacko sites. May I suggest my favorites till 2008 - commondreams.org, huffingtonpost.com? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote: And again I say: Why do these ignorant wingnut wackos believe everything that happens to fall into their e-mail in boxes? I get this kind of crap all the time from my conservative friends and relatives. The scary thing is that when I point out the inaccuracies and outright falsehoods, they often really don't care whether the specific story is true or not. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Yes, he's an evangelical Christian who also doubts Darwin's theory of evolution. Real scientific guy. See http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2008/05/22/202659/should-you-believe-anyth\ ing- john-christy-or-roy-spencer-say/ http://www.science20.com/chatter_box/global_warming_skeptic_clouds_issue\ s
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jul 28, 2011, at 7:16 PM, FFL PostCount wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jul 23 00:00:00 2011 End Date (UTC): Sat Jul 30 00:00:00 2011 784 messages as of (UTC) Fri Jul 29 00:08:06 2011 50 whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... 50 authfriend jstein@... Isn't today Thursday? And didn't Judy post 3 more over the limit? Hmmm~~dum, de dum dum... :) I'm not sure what you're talking about, because they don't appear on the Yahoo Web version, but I do note that three recent posts have been deleted, but would have been sent to email readers and thus to the Post Count program. What were they about (as if we don't know)?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jul 28, 2011, at 7:16 PM, FFL PostCount wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jul 23 00:00:00 2011 End Date (UTC): Sat Jul 30 00:00:00 2011 784 messages as of (UTC) Fri Jul 29 00:08:06 2011 50 whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ 50 authfriend jstein@ Isn't today Thursday? And didn't Judy post 3 more over the limit? Hmmm~~dum, de dum dum... :) I'm not sure what you're talking about, because they don't appear on the Yahoo Web version, but I do note that three recent posts have been deleted, but would have been sent to email readers and thus to the Post Count program. What were they about (as if we don't know)? Ah, never mind. They've been archived on the www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com site, and thus count as posts made to FFL, there being no way to consider them Yahoo duplicates. The subject of the three posts that should (according to the rules of the forum) have her sitting on the Group O (for Obsession) bench until August 5th was, in fact, predictable. The fact that the obsession was so powerful and so overshadowing as to make her forget what day of the week it is was not. Posse members, please take note. Someone else will have to take up the slack and respond to all posts made by the three people on the Enemies List for the next eight days. Dharma calls. Do your duty. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jul 28, 2011, at 7:16 PM, FFL PostCount wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jul 23 00:00:00 2011 End Date (UTC): Sat Jul 30 00:00:00 2011 784 messages as of (UTC) Fri Jul 29 00:08:06 2011 50 whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ 50 authfriend jstein@ Isn't today Thursday? And didn't Judy post 3 more over the limit? Hmmm~~dum, de dum dum... :) I'm not sure what you're talking about, because they don't appear on the Yahoo Web version, but I do note that three recent posts have been deleted, but would have been sent to email readers and thus to the Post Count program. What were they about (as if we don't know)? Ah, never mind. They've been archived on the www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com site, and thus count as posts made to FFL, there being no way to consider them Yahoo duplicates. The mail-archive.com site is an off-site archive of a FFL email feed for people's convenience, but it is not an official count of FFL traffic. Most deletions are people editing after they've sent, and when I see that someone has overposted, the first thing I do is look in the admin log of FFL website activity to see if there were any deletions by that person to take the count back down. In this case, Judy realized her mistake and immediately deleted those posts. The question now is whether or not those particular deletions should be allowed to neutralize the overposting. Because Judy is so conscientious about the post count, I'm inclined to let her slide on this one, but I have asked Rick to make the decision on this one. I was against the post count in the first place, and yet, enforcement of it has become my responsibility for the most part. Contrary to the Nazi regalia that Tom Pall likes to project on me, I actually hate being put in situations like this one.
[FairfieldLife] LHC and YF?
Why is LHC so important for YFfers? Prolly because it seems rather obvious that the Higgs' field is equivalent, at least almost, with aakaasha, the finest aspect of sthuula-bhuuta-s?! -- (brahman is) aakaashas tallin.gaat (BS)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count
Bob, some things are just too good to be true. :) And I simply can't help myself. Sal On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:32 PM, Bob Price wrote: Did you watch THE LITTLE RASCALS (reruns of course) as a child? From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 9:21:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count On Jul 28, 2011, at 7:16 PM, FFL PostCount wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jul 23 00:00:00 2011 End Date (UTC): Sat Jul 30 00:00:00 2011 784 messages as of (UTC) Fri Jul 29 00:08:06 2011 50 whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com 50 authfriend jst...@panix.com Isn't today Thursday? And didn't Judy post 3 more over the limit? Hmmm~~dum, de dum dum... :)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
On Jul 29, 2011, at 2:45 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I'm not sure what you're talking about, because they don't appear on the Yahoo Web version, but I do note that three recent posts have been deleted, but would have been sent to email readers and thus to the Post Count program. What were they about (as if we don't know)? How can you tell whether or not something's been deleted? I realize administrators can, but I didn't think the rest of us peons could. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
On Jul 29, 2011, at 4:18 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: The mail-archive.com site is an off-site archive of a FFL email feed for people's convenience, but it is not an official count of FFL traffic. Most deletions are people editing after they've sent, and when I see that someone has overposted, the first thing I do is look in the admin log of FFL website activity to see if there were any deletions by that person to take the count back down. In this case, Judy realized her mistake and immediately deleted those posts. The question now is whether or not those particular deletions should be allowed to neutralize the overposting. Because Judy is so conscientious about the post count, I'm inclined to let her slide on this one, but I have asked Rick to make the decision on this one. I was against the post count in the first place, and yet, enforcement of it has become my responsibility for the most part. Contrary to the Nazi regalia that Tom Pall likes to project on me, I actually hate being put in situations like this one. Alex, it's a Yahoo group, for heaven's sake. If Judy were really as honest as she claims, she never would have deleted those posts, and would simply offer to take herself out of commission for a week. Thus relieving you of any guilt. And yes, the fact that she was so obsessed as to forget what day of the week it was is sad, but also kind of funny. This is exactly what the post count was set up for, in fact and if Judy had any sense of humor she might be able to see it. Hopefully this will be an end to her demonizing others for deleting *their* posts. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jul 29, 2011, at 2:45 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I'm not sure what you're talking about, because they don't appear on the Yahoo Web version, but I do note that three recent posts have been deleted, but would have been sent to email readers and thus to the Post Count program. What were they about (as if we don't know)? How can you tell whether or not something's been deleted? I realize administrators can, but I didn't think the rest of us peons could. Admins can see who did the deletion and when it was done. However, anyone can read the archives on the website, where every post is numbered: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages Deletions can be seen in numerical gaps in the sequence of post numbers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
(a threefer) OMG, not the honesty card, not that. Is it possible this is another Watergate (cover up worse than the break-in)? Should I say it; postgate or does deletegate sound better? If this stands, will FFL posts be worth less than the US dollar? From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 4:04:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count On Jul 29, 2011, at 4:18 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: The mail-archive.com site is an off-site archive of a FFL email feed for people's convenience, but it is not an official count of FFL traffic. Most deletions are people editing after they've sent, and when I see that someone has overposted, the first thing I do is look in the admin log of FFL website activity to see if there were any deletions by that person to take the count back down. In this case, Judy realized her mistake and immediately deleted those posts. The question now is whether or not those particular deletions should be allowed to neutralize the overposting. Because Judy is so conscientious about the post count, I'm inclined to let her slide on this one, but I have asked Rick to make the decision on this one. I was against the post count in the first place, and yet, enforcement of it has become my responsibility for the most part. Contrary to the Nazi regalia that Tom Pall likes to project on me, I actually hate being put in situations like this one. Alex, it's a Yahoo group, for heaven's sake. If Judy were really as honest as she claims, she never would have deleted those posts, and would simply offer to take herself out of commission for a week. Thus relieving you of any guilt. And yes, the fact that she was so obsessed as to forget what day of the week it was is sad, but also kind of funny. This is exactly what the post count was set up for, in fact and if Judy had any sense of humor she might be able to see it. Hopefully this will be an end to her demonizing others for deleting *their* posts. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
True, but what did she know and when did she know it? What day is it anyway? From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 4:17:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jul 29, 2011, at 2:45 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I'm not sure what you're talking about, because they don't appear on the Yahoo Web version, but I do note that three recent posts have been deleted, but would have been sent to email readers and thus to the Post Count program. What were they about (as if we don't know)? How can you tell whether or not something's been deleted? I realize administrators can, but I didn't think the rest of us peons could. Admins can see who did the deletion and when it was done. However, anyone can read the archives on the website, where every post is numbered: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages Deletions can be seen in numerical gaps in the sequence of post numbers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jul 29, 2011, at 2:45 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I'm not sure what you're talking about, because they don't appear on the Yahoo Web version, but I do note that three recent posts have been deleted, but would have been sent to email readers and thus to the Post Count program. What were they about (as if we don't know)? How can you tell whether or not something's been deleted? I realize administrators can, but I didn't think the rest of us peons could. I read FFL using the Yahoo browser, rather than on email. In its expanded Message View, which I use because it allows me to easily skip over the posts I don't choose to even click on, you can easily see the various message numbers. If there is a gap, someone has deleted one. Or three. Re Alex's post, I am more than content with the last word on this particular OI (overposting incident) falling to Rick to decide. However, evil SOB that I am, I do suggest that if the guilty party chooses to accept a Let her post next week verdict, that says a lot more about her integrity than she's tried to say over the years about ours.
[FairfieldLife] Double Down or Triple Down?
I love Curtis' use of the phrase double down on this forum. Like so many of his metaphors, it just nails an issue, and its accompanying state of attention. I'm really not much of a blackjack player, so it took me a second to identify the phrase when I first saw it, but then I related it to poker, and the process of not only calling the bet but raising it. Good metaphor. The phrase came up for me today in this cafe in Den Haag, because I was forced to decide whether to order a Westmalle Dubble or Tripel. Being (unlike Joe) a mere babe in the woods when it comes to beers, I had to ask my waiter to explain the difference to me. It seems that the terms are related to the brewing process. A Dubble beer tends to be darker and sharper to the tongue; a Tripel adds one more step to the process, which results in a beer that is lighter in color, slightly higher in alcohol content, and to my taste more flavorful. I tripled down. Having done so when faced with what may be the heaviest decision of my off-workday day, I thought I might ponder whether there is anything I've ever said on Fairfield Life that I want to double down on. Or even triple down on. I thought it might give me something to write about, as part of this exercise in summoning the muses, and getting the writing flow started. Sadly, I found pretty much nothing. Zip. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I've either made my case for any of the opinions I've expressed here, or I haven't. Doubling or tripling down on them and trying to make the same points in different words seems redundant. Oh well...guess I'll have to think of something else to fit under this Subject title. How 'bout the opposite, feeling that one *does* have to double down on one's opinions? That might be fun. We've all seen this mindstate in action, not just on the Internet but in our media, like when Sarah Palin felt she had to respond to her recent American history gaffe by doubling down and trying to reinvent American history. Some people just don't know when to cut their losses and STFU. I think the need to double down is related to attachment, and how heavily we *identify* with the idea or concept or spiritual path or spiritual teacher we feel the need to double down on, when our opinions about these things are challenged. I suspect the need to double down is further related to whether the person believes that the thing they're attached to IS opinion, or fact. That kinda leaves me stuck at the starting gate when it comes to feeling the need to double down; pretty much the only thing I deal with in these Internet raps that I write for the sheer FUN of it is opinion. And, as my travels along the spiritual path have made clear to me over the last half century, my opinion could always be erroneous. In the past I wasted an enormous amount of time and energy doubling down on my opinions, and arguing them with people on the Internet (some of them still on this forum). I apologize retroactively for wasting their time, and mine. I should have just been content with presenting my opinions, doing the best job I could of presenting them most clearly and most effectively the first time around, and then bowing out and allowing them to stand on their own. Or not, as the case may be. If my opinion was such that another person could be persuaded to share it, ever, I should have done my best to present it first time around; repeating the opinion, possibly in different words, wasn't going to make my case any stronger. If my opinion was such that the other person is never likely to share it, ditto...but even more so. What, really is the *problem* with people having different opinions? All of this said, I'm going to kick back and focus on my Westmalle Tripel, stop looking at my computer screen for a few minutes, and look around. It's a big wide world out there, far more potentially interesting than the inner world of Internet chat groups, especially one haunted by only a few people, many of whom have said they never read these long-winded cafe raps of mine anyway. For example, this particular cafe is surrounded by 17th-century Dutch stores, restaurants, and apartments. It just screams history, and the past. The paving stones my cafe table is resting on were laid in the 1800s. But in the distance I can see several of Den Haag's more modern architectural masterpieces. One looks like a kind of sailing ship, its upper stories crafted into a kind of cantilevered white sail, as if at any moment it's going to catch the breeze and sail off into the horizon like The Crimson Permanent Assurance building in a Monty Python movie. Just in front of it is an odd, aqua-colored building that looks -- forgive me in advance Bob for violating the rule of writing for FFL I reminded you of in a recent post -- like an enormous dildo. It really IS a big dick...uh...erected in the heart of this ancient city. Now having THAT inner vision or opinion of what in life is attractive and what is not, for the architect who designed it --
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: True, but what did she know and when did she know it? What day is it anyway? http://i53.tinypic.com/34fzp7k.jpg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
On Jul 29, 2011, at 6:19 AM, Bob Price wrote: (a threefer) OMG, not the honesty card, not that. That's right, Bob~~I'm pulling the honesty card bit. :) Which actually shows how low I've sunk...but there you have it. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
On Jul 29, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Bob Price wrote: True, but what did she know and when did she know it? LOL... What day is it anyway? Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
On Jul 29, 2011, at 6:17 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: Admins can see who did the deletion and when it was done. However, anyone can read the archives on the website, where every post is numbered: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages Deletions can be seen in numerical gaps in the sequence of post numbers. Ah, of course~~thanks. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
On Jul 29, 2011, at 6:32 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Re Alex's post, I am more than content with the last word on this particular OI (overposting incident) falling to Rick to decide. However, evil SOB that I am, I do suggest that if the guilty party chooses to accept a Let her post next week verdict, that says a lot more about her integrity than she's tried to say over the years about ours. She already said it when she deleted the posts. Sal
[FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count (Deletegate)
Lets make it official: Deletegate We need something catchy and memorable for future archival research. And unless the supremos (Alex and Rick) intervene I say we form a committee with subpoena powers to investigate. I nominate Denise as Chairwoman (if nothing else she may stop taking Tom so seriously) First order of business: Was anything deleted and what day is it? Second order of business: Does the deleter have a sense of humour? Third order of business: What is the current bid/ask spread on an FFL post? Fourth order of business: How much mileage can we get from a: Holier than thou attitude? Fifth order of business: And so on From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 4:32:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jul 29, 2011, at 2:45 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I'm not sure what you're talking about, because they don't appear on the Yahoo Web version, but I do note that three recent posts have been deleted, but would have been sent to email readers and thus to the Post Count program. What were they about (as if we don't know)? How can you tell whether or not something's been deleted? I realize administrators can, but I didn't think the rest of us peons could. I read FFL using the Yahoo browser, rather than on email. In its expanded Message View, which I use because it allows me to easily skip over the posts I don't choose to even click on, you can easily see the various message numbers. If there is a gap, someone has deleted one. Or three. Re Alex's post, I am more than content with the last word on this particular OI (overposting incident) falling to Rick to decide. However, evil SOB that I am, I do suggest that if the guilty party chooses to accept a Let her post next week verdict, that says a lot more about her integrity than she's tried to say over the years about ours.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count (Deletegate)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Lets make it official: Deletegate We need something catchy and memorable for future archival research. And unless the supremos (Alex and Rick) intervene I say we form a committee with subpoena powers to investigate. Jim recently spaced out on the day/time and had to take a week off. The only difference here is that Judy quickly saw her mistake and attempted to right the wrong by deleting her posts. I *really* hate being put in the position of making this call, so I emailed Rick and told him that I am stepping away from this one. It's his call. As for me, I have a tank full of pond water ready to go, so I'm going to go out on the tractor and water all the new plantings. With all the rain that had been in the forecast, we got about half a dozen drops. It rained last night, but when I went out this morning and turned the rain gauge upside down, not one drop came out. Grr...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count (Deletegate)
On Jul 29, 2011, at 7:21 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: Jim recently spaced out on the day/time and had to take a week off. The only difference here is that Judy quickly saw her mistake and attempted to right the wrong by deleting her posts. It's not righting anything, it's just covering it up. So much for her honesty. And really, so much for the post count. I say if she posts we abolish it altogether. I *really* hate being put in the position of making this call, so I emailed Rick and told him that I am stepping away from this one. It's his call. Yeah, it's got to be mighty tough telling someone they can't post to FFL for a week. Sal
[FairfieldLife] globel warming news
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count (Deletegate)
Where the hell is Judge Sirica when you need him. Are there tapes, hopefully no 18 1/2 minute gaps this time. Chairwoman Denise, you better get a move on, Rick will be up soon. From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 5:21:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count (Deletegate) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Lets make it official: Deletegate We need something catchy and memorable for future archival research. And unless the supremos (Alex and Rick) intervene I say we form a committee with subpoena powers to investigate. Jim recently spaced out on the day/time and had to take a week off. The only difference here is that Judy quickly saw her mistake and attempted to right the wrong by deleting her posts. I *really* hate being put in the position of making this call, so I emailed Rick and told him that I am stepping away from this one. It's his call. As for me, I have a tank full of pond water ready to go, so I'm going to go out on the tractor and water all the new plantings. With all the rain that had been in the forecast, we got about half a dozen drops. It rained last night, but when I went out this morning and turned the rain gauge upside down, not one drop came out. Grr...
[FairfieldLife] Check out Earth stalker found in eternal twilight - space - 27 July 2011 - Ne
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Double Down or Triple Down?
turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com snip Just in front of it is an odd, aqua-colored building that looks -- forgive me in advance Bob for violating the rule of writing for FFL I reminded you of in a recent post -- like an enormous dildo. It really IS a big dick...uh...erected in the heart of this ancient city. Now having THAT inner vision or opinion of what in life is attractive and what is not, for the architect who designed it -- not to mention the org that thought it was an appropriate image for their corporation -- was doubling down. You might even say they tripled down. Am I remembering correctly that the city center of Amsterdam has a lot of short little poles, connected by chain links, that look a lot like Shiva Lingams?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count (Deletegate)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jul 29, 2011, at 7:21 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: Jim recently spaced out on the day/time and had to take a week off. The only difference here is that Judy quickly saw her mistake and attempted to right the wrong by deleting her posts. It's not righting anything, it's just covering it up. So much for her honesty. And really, so much for the post count. I say if she posts we abolish it altogether. How can it be considered covering up, when there's nothing the least bit secretive about deleting posts? Admins have a bit more specific info about deletions, but anybody can see that deletions occurred, and anybody can look at the alternate archive and figure out what was deleted. It makes no sense to accuse Judy of trying to hide her overposting when there's simply no possible way to hide the overposting or the deletions. There's also the fact that she emailed me to tell me what had happened. I see no dishonesty or deception in any of her actions.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count (Deletegate)
I think this defence may have been explored before. Why would he have taped everything (and not deep 6'd them) if he knew he was lying? Just give us the tapes and let us make up our own mind! From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 6:25:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count (Deletegate) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jul 29, 2011, at 7:21 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: Jim recently spaced out on the day/time and had to take a week off. The only difference here is that Judy quickly saw her mistake and attempted to right the wrong by deleting her posts. It's not righting anything, it's just covering it up. So much for her honesty. And really, so much for the post count. I say if she posts we abolish it altogether. How can it be considered covering up, when there's nothing the least bit secretive about deleting posts? Admins have a bit more specific info about deletions, but anybody can see that deletions occurred, and anybody can look at the alternate archive and figure out what was deleted. It makes no sense to accuse Judy of trying to hide her overposting when there's simply no possible way to hide the overposting or the deletions. There's also the fact that she emailed me to tell me what had happened. I see no dishonesty or deception in any of her actions.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count (Deletegate)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Where the hell is Judge Sirica when you need him. He's dead, most likely murdered by a shape-shifting reptilian in the physical form of G Gordon Liddy. Are there tapes, hopefully no 18 1/2 minute gaps this time. The missing posts have been mixed with pond water and will soon be given to arborvitae, transplanted local cedars (which are actually junipers), and hardy pampas grass (which isn't actually a true pampas grass, but the real question is why Lowes would sell genuine tropical pampas grass in zone 5 Iowa, only to have unsuspecting housewives discover their lovingly planted ornamental grasses didn't survive the winter. Oh, the huge manatee!)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Double Down or Triple Down?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com snip Just in front of it is an odd, aqua-colored building that looks -- forgive me in advance Bob for violating the rule of writing for FFL I reminded you of in a recent post -- like an enormous dildo. It really IS a big dick...uh...erected in the heart of this ancient city. Now having THAT inner vision or opinion of what in life is attractive and what is not, for the architect who designed it -- not to mention the org that thought it was an appropriate image for their corporation -- was doubling down. You might even say they tripled down. Am I remembering correctly that the city center of Amsterdam has a lot of short little poles, connected by chain links, that look a lot like Shiva Lingams? You are correct, if your impression of Shiva is that he's hung like a horse and wearing one of those little while mini-condoms that only covers the tip. I'm not sure what the historical significance of them is, but their modern utility is that they keep cars from driving on the sidewalks and turning pedestrians into roadkill. Bad for tourism.
[FairfieldLife] MUSICON
The latest stop on my cafe crawl today is in an open public area near the Grote Markt tram stop. There are banners everywhere announcing the Summer Time Festival, and even though our weather here (in contrast to yours in the US) has been far from summery, and still is pretty chilly, a fairly large crowd has gathered to see one of the first of the musicians playing free here this weekend. He's kinda interesting, and I can see why the crowd gathered. Alone up on stage, seated in a chair, he plays on his lap one of those odd instruments that looks for all the world like one of Nabby's UFOs -- think two large woks welded together. No vocals, just the sound of this instrument, which I'm getting is a kind of steel drum on steroids. It's got range. The guy can play rhythm with one hand, while simultaneously playing a full, vibrant, deeply-toned melody with the other. He plays spontaneously, like Keith Jarrett does the piano, and seemingly with as much rapture; he seems genuinely lost in the melody he's improvising. I notice from where I'm sitting that he's seated right under the banner that says MUSICON, and I laugh inwardly. The sign seems appropriate, because the dude has obviously conned his muse into appearing. Then his gig is over and he's replaced onstage by a guy who plays solo on an obviously Middle Eastern instrument that looks a lot like a soprano sax and sounds similar to one, except screechier and less pleasant. He plays with an Albert Ayler fervor, but with none of his expertise or grace. It's a lot like listening to the screams of a cat accused of heresy who has fallen into the hands of the Inquisition. I plug my headphones into my laptop, search around on its hard disk for something more high vibe and soothing like Norwegian Death Metal, and tune the guy out, hoping for better in the next act. God help me, it didn't work. He put down the Middle Eastern Torture Implement and picked up a large alto saxophone, through which he is making sounds that resemble even to my earbud-stuffed ears a bullfrog drowning noisily in a vat of warm ghee. Not even the pounding of Thor's hammer could drown that out. But like the occasional rain showers today it's soon over, and I go back to waiting for the next act and hoping for better. Hey, it's free. The next act is a marimba player. I think I'll sign off here for the week (this being, by my count, my 50th) and relax into it, and into the remainder of my FFL-free day. Jai and away...
[FairfieldLife] 2 huge and intricate Crop Circles discovered today
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/cherhillwhitehorse/cherhillwhitehorse2011a.html http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/rivar/rivar2011.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hold In Global Warming Alarmism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote: And again I say: Why do these ignorant wingnut wackos believe everything that happens to fall into their e-mail in boxes? I get this kind of crap all the time from my conservative friends and relatives. The scary thing is that when I point out the inaccuracies and outright falsehoods, they often really don't care whether the specific story is true or not. Late Night: Professional Climate Change Denialist Issues Climate Change Denying Study, Wingnuts Rejoice http://firedoglake.com/2011/07/28/professional-climate-change-denialist\ -issues-climate-change-denying-study-wingnuts-rejoice/ By: Blue Texan http://firedoglake.com/author/blue-texan/ Thursday July 28, 2011 8:00 pm [Tweet] Tweet http://firedoglake.com/2011/07/28/professional-climate-change-denialist\ -issues-climate-change-denying-study-wingnuts-rejoice/# 4 [digg] http://digg.com/submit?phase=2url=http://fdl.me/nAOHj7title=Late+Nigh\ t%3A+Professional+Climate+Change+Denialist+Issues+Climate+Change+Denying\ +Study%2C+Wingnuts+Rejoice [stumbleupon] http://www.stumbleupon.com/submit?url=http://fdl.me/nAOHj7title=Late+N\ ight%3A+Professional+Climate+Change+Denialist+Issues+Climate+Change+Deny\ ing+Study%2C+Wingnuts+Rejoice http://firedoglake.com/?p=157494akst_action=share-this [300] Wingnuts everywhere are excitedly linking http://www.memeorandum.com/110728/p59#a110728p59 to this Forbes piece which FINALLY PROVES AL GORE IS FAT GLOBAL WARMING IS A HOAX!! http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alarmis\ m-192334971.html NASA satellite data from the years 2000 through 2011 show the Earth's atmosphere is allowing far more heat to be released into space than alarmist computer models have predicted, reports a new study in the peer-reviewed science journal Remote Sensing. The study indicates far less future global warming will occur than United Nations computer models have predicted, and supports prior studies indicating increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide trap far less heat than alarmists have claimed. And who authored the study? Someone at Caltech? MIT? Cambridge? Study co-author Dr. Roy Spencer, a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA's Aqua satellite, reports that real-world data from NASA's Terra satellite contradict multiple assumptions fed into alarmist computer models. Oh, Roy Spencer. You know Roy Spencer http://www.desmogblog.com/roy-spencer , don't you? He's an unabashed creationist http://thingsbreak.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/yes-roy-spencer-is-a-creati\ onist/ and a fellow at the Heartland Institute http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heartland_Institute , which is funded by ExxonMobil http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=41 to promote free market ideas. He's The Official Climatologist of the Rush Limbaugh Show http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_072308/content/01125112.gue\ st.html and he says he gets his views on science from the bible. http://littlegreenfootballs.com/page/221176_Limbaughs_official_climatol\ og And every few years, he issues a fatwa another paper or book debuking the myth of global warming. http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/05/roy_spencers_great_photoshop_b.\ php Then, inevitably, three things happen: 1) there's a huge celebration in Wingnuttia; 2) actual scientists examine said study; http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/12/science/earth/12climate.long.html and then, 3) they promptly smack down Spencer. http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2011/03/dr_roy_spencer_is_sad_and_lone.ph\ p Let me save you some trouble here, wingnuts. You're going to need to do a little better than a Big Oil-funded flat-earther from the University of Tractor Fixin' and Bible Learnin' to override every major scientific society and academy on the planet. http://www.ucsusa.org/ssi/climate-change/scientific-consensus-on.html Just trying to save you a little trouble here. http://firedoglake.com/2011/07/28/professional-climate-change-denialist-\ issues-climate-change-denying-study-wingnuts-rejoice/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Yes, he's an evangelical Christian who also doubts Darwin's theory of evolution. Real scientific guy. See http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2008/05/22/202659/should-you-believe-anyth\ ing- john-christy-or-roy-spencer-say/ http://www.science20.com/chatter_box/global_warming_skeptic_clouds_issue\ s
[FairfieldLife] Re: #f@ckyouwashington
Obama could save the day by invoking the 14th Amendment and shaming the Tea Party crazies for trying to burn down the house. It could be his ticket to victory in 2012, but will he do it? If he doesn't, Obama will be a one-term president. His base of loyal lefties is gone, the Tea Party wants his head, and the independents aren't impressed with his efforts to give away the farm. The manufactured debt ceiling crisis, the self-inflicted wound that has everyone disgusted with both parties, has made us ripe for the pickings by a stealth third party candidate that will be Obama's and our undoing. It won't be a Tea Party crazy. That would be too obvious. They need someone sneaky. It will be...drum roll please...an Ayn Rand, 3rd Reichian, uber-libertarian funded by Americans Elect, the spawn of Flat Earther, Thomas Friedman and the CATO institute. Their candidate will pose as a squeaky-clean man/woman of the people, a populist Bull Moose, Teddy Roosevelt type. Beware of any third party candidate faintly tainted by their stench. When I see a media promotion sponsored by Shell Oil like this: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/fast-fix/fast-fix-third-party-presidency-092236920.html I smell oil-billionaire-Koch-brother money priming the propaganda pump to make us believe anyone but a Republican or Democrat will magically fix the way Washington works. Sound familiar? Americans Elect seemingly comes from nowhere during an economic crisis. How did that happen? They are simply taking advantage of the disaster capitalism Naomi Klein warned us of in Shock Doctrine and they don't even have a candidate. They don't need one. They have cleverly hatched a plan to ask voters to nominate a candidate on the Internet. They promise the winner will be on the 2012 ballot in every state. Wow! Imagine the power every rube in the county will feel being involved in the nomination process instead of stuck with party picks. Americans Elect will give voters the illusion that they are picking a candidate when in fact it's a scam to solicit money for their Libertarian Super Pac so they can pick and promote whomever they damn well please. These jokers don't care about democracy. They care about bleeding the poor. Reagan was a big fan of Ayn Rand, which is why trickle down turned out to be an Orwellian trickle up from the have-nots to the haves. Libertarians cherish the vision of Ayn Rand world where, One puts oneself above all and crushes everything in one's way to get the best for oneself. They hate government regulation. They hate anything owned by the public...school, water, roads, energy. They hate government, especially government work programs to fix roads and bridges. Why raise taxes to fix anything when you can let it all go to hell, privatize the commons the sell it off to corporate globalists who pay slave wages? Libertarians are so fucking worried that grandma might have huge medical expenses; they rather cut off her Medicare than pay one dime more in higher taxes. Libertarians are evil, greedy bastards to the core. Real Democrats know in their bones that tax cuts only make the rich richer. Real Democrats know people need money in their pockets to drive the engine of economy. Real Democrats would fix our crumbling infrastructure and put people back to work as FDR did in the 1930's. That's how we got out of the Depression then and that's how we'll get out of hard times now. Real Democrats...I only wish.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2 huge and intricate Crop Circles discovered today
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/cherhillwhitehorse/cherhillwhitehorse2011a.html http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/rivar/rivar2011.html So, they utilize a worm hole to travel faster than the speed of light??
[FairfieldLife] Re: Double Down or Triple Down?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I love Curtis' use of the phrase double down on this forum. Like so many of his metaphors, it just nails an issue, and its accompanying state of attention. I'm really not much of a blackjack player, so it took me a second to identify the phrase when I first saw it, but then I related it to poker, and the process of not only calling the bet but raising it. Good metaphor. The phrase came up for me today in this cafe in Den Haag, because I was forced to decide whether to order a Westmalle Dubble or Tripel. Being (unlike Joe) a mere babe in the woods when it comes to beers, I had to ask my waiter to explain the difference to me. It seems that the terms are related to the brewing process. A Dubble beer tends to be darker and sharper to the tongue; a Tripel adds one more step to the process, which results in a beer that is lighter in color, slightly higher in alcohol content, and to my taste more flavorful. I tripled down. Having done so when faced with what may be the heaviest decision of my off-workday day, I thought I might ponder whether there is anything I've ever said on Fairfield Life that I want to double down on. Or even triple down on. I thought it might give me something to write about, as part of this exercise in summoning the muses, and getting the writing flow started. Sadly, I found pretty much nothing. Zip. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I've either made my case for any of the opinions I've expressed here, or I haven't. Doubling or tripling down on them and trying to make the same points in different words seems redundant. Oh well...guess I'll have to think of something else to fit under this Subject title. How 'bout the opposite, feeling that one *does* have to double down on one's opinions? That might be fun. We've all seen this mindstate in action, not just on the Internet but in our media, like when Sarah Palin felt she had to respond to her recent American history gaffe by doubling down and trying to reinvent American history. Some people just don't know when to cut their losses and STFU. I think the need to double down is related to attachment, and how heavily we *identify* with the idea or concept or spiritual path or spiritual teacher we feel the need to double down on, when our opinions about these things are challenged. I suspect the need to double down is further related to whether the person believes that the thing they're attached to IS opinion, or fact. That kinda leaves me stuck at the starting gate when it comes to feeling the need to double down; pretty much the only thing I deal with in these Internet raps that I write for the sheer FUN of it is opinion. And, as my travels along the spiritual path have made clear to me over the last half century, my opinion could always be erroneous. In the past I wasted an enormous amount of time and energy doubling down on my opinions, and arguing them with people on the Internet (some of them still on this forum). I apologize retroactively for wasting their time, and mine. I should have just been content with presenting my opinions, doing the best job I could of presenting them most clearly and most effectively the first time around, and then bowing out and allowing them to stand on their own. Or not, as the case may be. If my opinion was such that another person could be persuaded to share it, ever, I should have done my best to present it first time around; repeating the opinion, possibly in different words, wasn't going to make my case any stronger. If my opinion was such that the other person is never likely to share it, ditto...but even more so. What, really is the *problem* with people having different opinions? All of this said, I'm going to kick back and focus on my Westmalle Tripel, stop looking at my computer screen for a few minutes, and look around. It's a big wide world out there, far more potentially interesting than the inner world of Internet chat groups, especially one haunted by only a few people, many of whom have said they never read these long-winded cafe raps of mine anyway. For example, this particular cafe is surrounded by 17th-century Dutch stores, restaurants, and apartments. It just screams history, and the past. The paving stones my cafe table is resting on were laid in the 1800s. But in the distance I can see several of Den Haag's more modern architectural masterpieces. One looks like a kind of sailing ship, its upper stories crafted into a kind of cantilevered white sail, as if at any moment it's going to catch the breeze and sail off into the horizon like The Crimson Permanent Assurance building in a Monty Python movie. Just in front of it is an odd, aqua-colored building that looks -- forgive me in advance Bob for violating the rule of writing for FFL I reminded you of in a recent post -- like an enormous dildo. It really IS a big dick...uh...erected in
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count (Deletegate)
On Jul 29, 2011, at 7:21 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: Jim recently spaced out on the day/time and had to take a week off. The only difference here is that Judy quickly saw her mistake and attempted to right the wrong by deleting her posts. It's not righting anything, it's just covering it up. So much for her honesty. And really, so much for the post count. I say if she posts we abolish it altogether. How can it be considered covering up, when there's nothing the least bit secretive about deleting posts? Admins have a bit more specific info about deletions, but anybody can see that deletions occurred, and anybody can look at the alternate archive and figure out what was deleted. It makes no sense to accuse Judy of trying to hide her overposting when there's simply no possible way to hide the overposting or the deletions. There's also the fact that she emailed me to tell me what had happened. I see no dishonesty or deception in any of her actions. Dear Alex, If I can interpose a comment here: from the whole tone and context of how you have responded to this charge of one FFL member overposting, one has the feeling that you are entirely free of any need to be defensive or unfair in your explanation of how and why you have acted as you have in this matter. I think this a perfect instance where one, ultimately, can get an intuitive feel for where the truth lies. If someone is committed to getting justice at all costs, but is being driven by something other than or in addition to the mere facts of the case, then one can assume that this person is determined to *use* this particular circumstance in order to settle a score, in order to retaliate, in order to seek revenge for past slights or wrongs. And in this reading of the issue it means that the subjective is driving the objective. Which is never a good thing if one is interested in *discovering* what the truth of the matter is. Without getting into all the arguments on both sides here, I merely wish to point out that you, in your attempts to defuse the moral significance of this particular instance of overposting, exhibit just that measure of equanimity and disinterestedness which enables your true, non-reactive nature to show itself. And thus to allow others to have the space to examine the issue for themselves without bias, without any sense of ex parte prejudice. I am not saying therefore that you are 100% right and your critics 100% wrong; I am saying something else. I am saying that by your writing the way you have about this issue you are demonstrating beyond all doubt your own sincere and honest motives, and therefore, by doing so, indicating (at least to me) that the friendly and wholesome forces within the universe are getting behind you. Therefore, it is much more likely your version of this issue is closer to how it would be viewed from a perfectly objective standpoint than the version of those who are clamouring for the strict application of the letter of the law. I have said it before: when one's third person perspective is getting (almost exclusively) controlled by the variability and unreliability of one's first person perspectiveto the detriment of remaining impartial about a particular issueone can be sure that issue is not being examined fairlyor rather the opportunity to know where the preponderance of truth lies is obscured. Whereas in my reading of all your posts on this matter, you have shown (at least to me) you are approaching it so as to determine where actual truth and justice lies. Justice, then, need to be felt and experienced beyond and apart from one's particular and personal desires. I therefore conclude that this poster did not willfully violate the spirit of the rule, and therefore should not be penalizedthe only reason to penalize her is to satisfy what appear to be the appetite of her enemies for revenge against her. (I have no idea whether their antagonism is valid or not; I have not read enough along these lines at FFL to know anything about this.) I just like the person who comes through in your posts, Alex. MZ
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2 huge and intricate Crop Circles discovered today
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/cherhillwhitehorse/cherhillwhitehorse2011a.html http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/rivar/rivar2011.html So, they utilize a worm hole to travel faster than the speed of light?? I don't know. What I do know is that they allow much more frequent sightsings of their visits to earth now than just a few years back. It's part of a plan to let us get somehow used to their presence. And to get used to the idea that they are indeed friendly. Together with my girfriend who is a lawyer, mostly using her left side of the brain, and almost completely uniterested in what can not be labelled and logicically understood saw a HUGE UFO at 5 am over Berlin. And when I say huge I mean HUGE and quite near, I'd say perhaps 4-500 meters away. It was silently hovering over our heads with lots of lights in different colours. My girlfriend who does not believe in UFO's quietly said; was that an UFO ? I don't think this could have happenned say 10 years ago above a major city. If I'm not much mistaken, I think you will be able to ask that question yourself to the Spacebrothers within 5 years.
[FairfieldLife] ABC Nightline - Meditation
Last night's ABC Nightline had a good segment on meditation featuring the Dalai Lhama. Nothing profound, but a very positive presentation on meditation as a practice. See: http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ABC Nightline - Meditation
I found a direct link to the Nightline Meditate to Happiness segment: http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/sign-times-meditate-happiness-14185909 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvosteen monroe1@... wrote: Last night's ABC Nightline had a good segment on meditation featuring the Dalai Lhama. Nothing profound, but a very positive presentation on meditation as a practice. See: http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count (Deletegate)
Just because he's dead does not mean we can't speak to him. I just spoke with Abby (likes the name of our scandal) and he said when Judge Hoffman bound and gagged Booby Seale as a show of solidarity they all came to court gagged. He suggested if this is allowed to stand all the posters need to post over in the first hour of the turn over and go dark for two weeks. That would leave Ricks pithy remarks for the deleter comment on. What do say fellow posters? From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 7:39:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count (Deletegate) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Where the hell is Judge Sirica when you need him. He's dead, most likely murdered by a shape-shifting reptilian in the physical form of G Gordon Liddy. Are there tapes, hopefully no 18 1/2 minute gaps this time. The missing posts have been mixed with pond water and will soon be given to arborvitae, transplanted local cedars (which are actually junipers), and hardy pampas grass (which isn't actually a true pampas grass, but the real question is why Lowes would sell genuine tropical pampas grass in zone 5 Iowa, only to have unsuspecting housewives discover their lovingly planted ornamental grasses didn't survive the winter. Oh, the huge manatee!)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count (Deletegate)
Hmmm. Maybe I've figured out how you could do what you've claimed. The last two paragraphs present your point. That which precedes it is justification. Excessive discursion. When it covers over the cognizance of sheer awareness (cit) then the waking and dream states partially overlap. Clever. Or perhaps habitual. . --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: On Jul 29, 2011, at 7:21 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: Jim recently spaced out on the day/time and had to take a week off. The only difference here is that Judy quickly saw her mistake and attempted to right the wrong by deleting her posts. It's not righting anything, it's just covering it up. So much for her honesty. And really, so much for the post count. I say if she posts we abolish it altogether. How can it be considered covering up, when there's nothing the least bit secretive about deleting posts? Admins have a bit more specific info about deletions, but anybody can see that deletions occurred, and anybody can look at the alternate archive and figure out what was deleted. It makes no sense to accuse Judy of trying to hide her overposting when there's simply no possible way to hide the overposting or the deletions. There's also the fact that she emailed me to tell me what had happened. I see no dishonesty or deception in any of her actions. Dear Alex, If I can interpose a comment here: from the whole tone and context of how you have responded to this charge of one FFL member overposting, one has the feeling that you are entirely free of any need to be defensive or unfair in your explanation of how and why you have acted as you have in this matter. I think this a perfect instance where one, ultimately, can get an intuitive feel for where the truth lies. If someone is committed to getting justice at all costs, but is being driven by something other than or in addition to the mere facts of the case, then one can assume that this person is determined to *use* this particular circumstance in order to settle a score, in order to retaliate, in order to seek revenge for past slights or wrongs. And in this reading of the issue it means that the subjective is driving the objective. Which is never a good thing if one is interested in *discovering* what the truth of the matter is. Without getting into all the arguments on both sides here, I merely wish to point out that you, in your attempts to defuse the moral significance of this particular instance of overposting, exhibit just that measure of equanimity and disinterestedness which enables your true, non-reactive nature to show itself. And thus to allow others to have the space to examine the issue for themselves without bias, without any sense of ex parte prejudice. I am not saying therefore that you are 100% right and your critics 100% wrong; I am saying something else. I am saying that by your writing the way you have about this issue you are demonstrating beyond all doubt your own sincere and honest motives, and therefore, by doing so, indicating (at least to me) that the friendly and wholesome forces within the universe are getting behind you. Therefore, it is much more likely your version of this issue is closer to how it would be viewed from a perfectly objective standpoint than the version of those who are clamouring for the strict application of the letter of the law. I have said it before: when one's third person perspective is getting (almost exclusively) controlled by the variability and unreliability of one's first person perspectiveto the detriment of remaining impartial about a particular issueone can be sure that issue is not being examined fairlyor rather the opportunity to know where the preponderance of truth lies is obscured. Whereas in my reading of all your posts on this matter, you have shown (at least to me) you are approaching it so as to determine where actual truth and justice lies. Justice, then, need to be felt and experienced beyond and apart from one's particular and personal desires. I therefore conclude that this poster did not willfully violate the spirit of the rule, and therefore should not be penalizedthe only reason to penalize her is to satisfy what appear to be the appetite of her enemies for revenge against her. (I have no idea whether their antagonism is valid or not; I have not read enough along these lines at FFL to know anything about this.) I just like the person who comes through in your posts, Alex. MZ
[FairfieldLife] Re: #f@ckyouwashington
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: I've said for a long time that it is corporate that's running the show.  While I believe Obama thought he could usher in a more just and robust America, he wasn't able to and is now another pawn taking directions from the big Democratic party doners.  However, he faced unbelievable odds...Bush and the Republicans left this country in tatters after inheriting the strongest federal balance sheet in postwar history.  I have no understanding of how anyone could trust that agenda, which is why, when I look at the alternative to Obama, I get even more worried.  All politicians give us BS in their speeches - I can't tolerate listening to any of them on either side.  I think we need to get a message to the Democratic Party and our individual reps...they are just as bad right now in using sensationalism and self-righteousness to drum up money as the other side...two sides of the same coin.  It's a completely flawed system. Maybe there is value in a 4th party, I don't know. Until we, the people, address corporate america and demand that they work for us and not the other way around, we are screwed.  How do we do this?  I'd like to hear some ideas. Denise, I have been thinking about your question and just heard about this book by Ralph Nader, Only the Rich Can Save Us. The Amazon summary sounds fascinating. His basic positionis that the superrich (Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, etc) have the means and power to make changes in various parts of our society (refomr of health care, education, government) if they decide to do so. Check it out if it sounds of interest to you. Of course, Obama may be deciding that his life is more importantremember what happens to those who are too outspoken and gain too much influence.  While I have no proof of course.I always think about JFK, Bobby Kennedy, and MLK.  --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: From: Tom Pall thomas.pall@... Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] #f@ckyouwashington To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 4:36 AM  On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 9:40 AM, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: We don't need a 3rd party.  We need to primary Obama with a Democrat who will stand up and say Obama doesn't represent the party of FDR, he represents the blood suckers on Wall Street. Bernie Sanders agrees we should primary Obama hoping it would push Obama further to the left. It's not going to happen. Obama has a lock on plenty of money for a campaign that would (if 2008 is any lesson) trash the reputation of the challenger, have the DNC cheat for him and play the race card for good measure. Obama is on the right, has always been on the right and will stay on the right regardless of a primary. The debt ceiling debate is just kabuki to make the rubes believe that the only choice, Flimflam Man has to save the county from defaulting on its debt is sacrifice Social Security and Medicare when in truth that is exactly what Obama was hired to do. If Obama were a Democrat, he would have stopped all the Republican crazy talk about the debt ceiling by simply saying he would invoke the 14th Amendment. Bill Clinton said he would invoke the constitutional option to raise the debt ceiling without hesitation, and force the courts to stop me in order to prevent a default. Now, there's a president with some balls. http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2011/07/19/bill-clinton-says-he-would-use-the-14th-amendment/ For the past few weeks, Obama has shown no interest in involving Democrats in negotiating with Boehner, Cantor or McConnell because he couldn't have gotten away with unilaterally offering up programs to help the poor and women. Obama has continually lied about the strength and solvency of the social safety net and now he has accomplished what George W. Bush and every Republican before him could only dream of doing, destroy FDR's New Deal. What is going on here? I've been complaining about a lack of follow through, a lack of leadership.Yes, we're going to close GITMO, yes, gays in the military and so on yet when in office it's OK, at least two full scale wars are great, and we'll involve ourselves in civil wars as we do in Libya. It's Pax Americana all over again. We can't cut defense spending because when Obama became president he was born again and saw how important being involved in everybody else's life is good. Then there's the gay thing. Another president who cared would have used his powers as Commander in Chief. Another president would have said yes, I've got a duty to uphold the way, but I'm going to shirk my duty and tell Justice to lay off the DOM law. I've wondered where the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: #f@ckyouwashington
On 07/29/2011 08:51 AM, wayback71 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evansdmevans365@... wrote: I've said for a long time that it is corporate that's running the show.  While I believe Obama thought he could usher in a more just and robust America, he wasn't able to and is now another pawn taking directions from the big Democratic party doners.  However, he faced unbelievable odds...Bush and the Republicans left this country in tatters after inheriting the strongest federal balance sheet in postwar history.  I have no understanding of how anyone could trust that agenda, which is why, when I look at the alternative to Obama, I get even more worried.  All politicians give us BS in their speeches - I can't tolerate listening to any of them on either side.  I think we need to get a message to the Democratic Party and our individual reps...they are just as bad right now in using sensationalism and self-righteousness to drum up money as the other side...two sides of the same coin.  It's a completely flawed system. Maybe there is value in a 4th party, I don't know. Until we, the people, address corporate america and demand that they work for us and not the other way around, we are screwed.  How do we do this?  I'd like to hear some ideas. Denise, I have been thinking about your question and just heard about this book by Ralph Nader, Only the Rich Can Save Us. The Amazon summary sounds fascinating. His basic positionis that the superrich (Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, etc) have the means and power to make changes in various parts of our society (refomr of health care, education, government) if they decide to do so. Check it out if it sounds of interest to you. Problem is that Gates and Buffet type billionaires are the minority. There is a long history of older rich families who don't think much of the public and have little interest in saving anything. Look at the damage the Koch brothers are doing. We've spent centuries trying to rid ourselves of the landed gentry and we don't need to encourage retain that class division.
[FairfieldLife] The Three Gunas as Vedic Gods
Is there anyone who would care to discuss the three gunas as living experiences within us, even as personified beings taking us over, similar to but, perhaps, somewhat different than what RC writes about? All three were and are huge parts of my experience in the movement and now. Sattva, as the direct experience of love of the sublime, the divine, even love of reverence, itself, and certainly reverence, pulling the heart along with it as bhakti? I don't, I must say, see a whole lot of that here with a few exceptions. Though we didn't practice bhakti, per se, in TM, that and sattva were certainly huge components of my experience. Of course pure sattva, the simplicity of purity itself, is more characterized by equanimity and balance, but that is not what I wish to speak of here. Rajas, especially in it's form of sexual energy, almost as if it were this huge rakshasa dwelling within one, and yes, rising up into towering intensities, was, for me, rampant in the movement. IME, there were times when M cranked that energy out almost as effectively as the darshan, so that men and women sitting next to each other would start eyeing each others bodies, stroking chair posts and rubbing chair arms and nubs with their fingers. Did no one else perceive this? (No, folks, this was not purely my projections.) There were a whole lot of sexual energies raging around in the subtle planes on our august courses, and M was certainly one of the main perpetrators and participants. And Tamas, in, WIWC, its demonic form, this titanic desire to thrust one's hands into the universe, rip it to shreds and stomp it to smithereens beneath one's feet, to become Siva or Shakti and really do it or, also, of course, to completely remake it in one's own image, and to be furious and frustrated that one couldn't do either, yes, like an acting out frozen inner child? I also, of course, realize, that one could contribute all of the above to a titanic ego, but that, IMO, is the easy way out and wouldn't, I think, do the above justice though, perhaps, I am wrong in this. And, perhaps, there is not much to discuss. Perhaps I am only revealing myself here, yes, in front of the wrong audience. But, OWT (one would think), this forum could possibly be helpful for more than one person in discussing such things. Thanks m
[FairfieldLife] the Karina
Was anyone else here in the Karina, Mallorca II, and do I even have the hotel name right--the one with the three-termers we almost burned down?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count (Deletegate)
On 07/29/2011 05:21 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Pricebobpriced@... wrote: Lets make it official: Deletegate We need something catchy and memorable for future archival research. And unless the supremos (Alex and Rick) intervene I say we form a committee with subpoena powers to investigate. Jim recently spaced out on the day/time and had to take a week off. The only difference here is that Judy quickly saw her mistake and attempted to right the wrong by deleting her posts. I *really* hate being put in the position of making this call, so I emailed Rick and told him that I am stepping away from this one. It's his call. As for me, I have a tank full of pond water ready to go, so I'm going to go out on the tractor and water all the new plantings. With all the rain that had been in the forecast, we got about half a dozen drops. It rained last night, but when I went out this morning and turned the rain gauge upside down, not one drop came out. Grr... Post deletions mostly don't work for those of us who read via email. Judy is usually very good about watching her post count. For those concerned since it is a 50 post limit give yourself 7 posts a day and you get 1 extra at the end of the week. You can start watching your trends. I may sometime post more at the start of the week because I know many topics are going to piddle out as the week continues and people will drop out of topics because they've posted out. The post count script works by email and downloads the headers once a day a 15 minutes after 0 hours UTC (or GMT). The 15 minutes is because I noticed a latency from Yahoo mail that some might game to post more than the limit. The script filters messages outside the date and time range of the week. Occasionally Yahoo will burp and send out a duplicate of one message. Unfortunately Yahoo will also bump the message number, otherwise duplicate emails with the same message number could be expunged from the count. It appears that web site filters duplicates. Some here will remember that I opposed posting limits as being silly. In fact if you probably told folks at Yahoo about the posting limits they would probably say you have what? I don't know of any other group that has them. Most groups though have narrow topic rules and the moderators either delete messages or remove people who break those rules. I always thought that the complaints about too many posts came from computer illiterate people who for some reason didn't know how to skip messages they weren't interested or the few people who were using the group as their pre-Twitter twitting.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Double Down or Triple Down?
Nice rap, Barry. I surprised myself in having no tripel -- I mean treble -- err, trouble -- reading through the whole thing. Your thoughts resonate exactly with how I felt yesterday when you posted your invitation for anyone to tell the circumstances of their awakening (or whatever): Did we make it public, and if so what was the response? I was almost moved to write, but then realized that in my mind at least, the whole thing has been done to death already, and I was tired of replaying my own stories or truths over and over again. And yet stories are great; if heartfelt, they move my soul and enrich my life. My life's purpose (if it can be said to have a purpose at all) appears to be threefold: self-expression (cardinal, cohering love of being), self-discovery (fixed, radiating light of consciousness), and self-delight (mutable, dissolving laughter of ecstasy), as expressed through the four elemental needs of passion (fire), liberation (water), justice or right action (air), and wealth (earth). True or heartfelt stories can be crucial for exciting permutations of these three modes and four elemental needs. Stories are memories, and memory seems to run the whole show. I think DNA itself is essentially a storehouse of programs or memories, with an interesting correlate: change our memories -- change our programs or stories via active imagination grounded in the body with breath -- and we change our DNA. Healing our past, we jump time-lines into a different present. But I think it boils down to whether or not there is actually a fresh face, a genuinely receptive audience, at the bar. If there is a need, the story is always new, but if there's no real need, then it's definitely stale ale; there's no real flow, no shakti. Gotta have a ground for the current to flow. And whaddaya know -- I ended up telling the same old story after all. Sorry about that. It's closing time. I've had enough and I think it's time to go home... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I love Curtis' use of the phrase double down on this forum. Like so many of his metaphors, it just nails an issue, and its accompanying state of attention. I'm really not much of a blackjack player, so it took me a second to identify the phrase when I first saw it, but then I related it to poker, and the process of not only calling the bet but raising it. Good metaphor. The phrase came up for me today in this cafe in Den Haag, because I was forced to decide whether to order a Westmalle Dubble or Tripel. Being (unlike Joe) a mere babe in the woods when it comes to beers, I had to ask my waiter to explain the difference to me. It seems that the terms are related to the brewing process. A Dubble beer tends to be darker and sharper to the tongue; a Tripel adds one more step to the process, which results in a beer that is lighter in color, slightly higher in alcohol content, and to my taste more flavorful. I tripled down. Having done so when faced with what may be the heaviest decision of my off-workday day, I thought I might ponder whether there is anything I've ever said on Fairfield Life that I want to double down on. Or even triple down on. I thought it might give me something to write about, as part of this exercise in summoning the muses, and getting the writing flow started. Sadly, I found pretty much nothing. Zip. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I've either made my case for any of the opinions I've expressed here, or I haven't. Doubling or tripling down on them and trying to make the same points in different words seems redundant. Oh well...guess I'll have to think of something else to fit under this Subject title. How 'bout the opposite, feeling that one *does* have to double down on one's opinions? That might be fun. We've all seen this mindstate in action, not just on the Internet but in our media, like when Sarah Palin felt she had to respond to her recent American history gaffe by doubling down and trying to reinvent American history. Some people just don't know when to cut their losses and STFU. I think the need to double down is related to attachment, and how heavily we *identify* with the idea or concept or spiritual path or spiritual teacher we feel the need to double down on, when our opinions about these things are challenged. I suspect the need to double down is further related to whether the person believes that the thing they're attached to IS opinion, or fact. That kinda leaves me stuck at the starting gate when it comes to feeling the need to double down; pretty much the only thing I deal with in these Internet raps that I write for the sheer FUN of it is opinion. And, as my travels along the spiritual path have made clear to me over the last half century, my opinion could always be erroneous. In the past I wasted an enormous amount of time and energy doubling down on my opinions, and arguing them with people on the
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Three Gunas as Vedic Gods
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: Rajas, especially in it's form of sexual energy, almost as if it were this huge rakshasa dwelling within one, and yes, rising up into towering intensities, was, for me, rampant in the movement. IME, there were times when M cranked that energy out almost as effectively as the darshan, so that men and women sitting next to each other would start eyeing each others bodies, stroking chair posts and rubbing chair arms and nubs with their fingers. Did no one else perceive this? (No, folks, this was not purely my projections.) There were a whole lot of sexual energies raging around in the subtle planes on our august courses, and M was certainly one of the main perpetrators and participants. This guna description interests me predictably enough. I see a few things that don't match my perception of reality in this description. When I was in the movement I acquired the fundamentalist Hindu's bad attitude about sex. Equating sexual energy with a rakshasa seems to be an expression of what I now consider to be a very unhealthy attitude. It took me many years to not view sex as if I was losing something which was the way we thought of it at sidhaland. This puritanical negative view even resulted in me experiencing what I now consider my self-fulfilling prophesy. I used to get tired or experience that my awareness had been compromised from sex. All I can say is that this experience is completely optional and now it is practically the opposite of how it affects me now. If was was going to assign a guna (and I would be unlikely to do so outside this discussion.) it would be the loving connection with a loved one that only the grace of sattwa could achieve. Two separate beings joined in an act so comprehensively loving that we share our primal roots along with one of the most profound shifts of unitive consciousness possible to share. The second thing that doesn't match my experience is that Maharishi somehow was projecting this onto us. We were young, we were hot, and we were already in the type of enhanced trance state that makes for great sex. We didn't need any help from him, horn dog though he might have been, pitching dhoti tents behind those flower vases he always had on his table. And one thing is sure to make you want to jump someone's bones is the instruction to stop jumping bones during the course. While sitting in a room with every version of international beauty whose bones you could dream about jumping! Of course perhaps I had misread your view of sex completely Mark and have misrepresented your views. If that is the case then consider this a piece about my own bad attitudes in my past. Is there anyone who would care to discuss the three gunas as living experiences within us, even as personified beings taking us over, similar to but, perhaps, somewhat different than what RC writes about? All three were and are huge parts of my experience in the movement and now. Sattva, as the direct experience of love of the sublime, the divine, even love of reverence, itself, and certainly reverence, pulling the heart along with it as bhakti? I don't, I must say, see a whole lot of that here with a few exceptions. Though we didn't practice bhakti, per se, in TM, that and sattva were certainly huge components of my experience. Of course pure sattva, the simplicity of purity itself, is more characterized by equanimity and balance, but that is not what I wish to speak of here. Rajas, especially in it's form of sexual energy, almost as if it were this huge rakshasa dwelling within one, and yes, rising up into towering intensities, was, for me, rampant in the movement. IME, there were times when M cranked that energy out almost as effectively as the darshan, so that men and women sitting next to each other would start eyeing each others bodies, stroking chair posts and rubbing chair arms and nubs with their fingers. Did no one else perceive this? (No, folks, this was not purely my projections.) There were a whole lot of sexual energies raging around in the subtle planes on our august courses, and M was certainly one of the main perpetrators and participants. And Tamas, in, WIWC, its demonic form, this titanic desire to thrust one's hands into the universe, rip it to shreds and stomp it to smithereens beneath one's feet, to become Siva or Shakti and really do it or, also, of course, to completely remake it in one's own image, and to be furious and frustrated that one couldn't do either, yes, like an acting out frozen inner child? I also, of course, realize, that one could contribute all of the above to a titanic ego, but that, IMO, is the easy way out and wouldn't, I think, do the above justice though, perhaps, I am wrong in this. And, perhaps, there is not much to discuss. Perhaps I am only revealing myself here,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count (Deletegate)
I am a fan of posting limits but I am also a fan of spirit of the law verses letter of the law. It accomplished its goal of cutting out obnoxious over-posting, so I really don't care if anyone goes over some week by accident. If it was chronic that would be a different story. But with Judy, that is obviously not the case. I throw my hat in for leniency for all going forward. We know what the rule is about. I say everyone deserves a mulligan, using a word that I will never get a chance to use in its actual sports context. I believe that as Mark Twain pointed out Golf is a good walk spoiled. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 07/29/2011 05:21 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Pricebobpriced@ wrote: Lets make it official: Deletegate We need something catchy and memorable for future archival research. And unless the supremos (Alex and Rick) intervene I say we form a committee with subpoena powers to investigate. Jim recently spaced out on the day/time and had to take a week off. The only difference here is that Judy quickly saw her mistake and attempted to right the wrong by deleting her posts. I *really* hate being put in the position of making this call, so I emailed Rick and told him that I am stepping away from this one. It's his call. As for me, I have a tank full of pond water ready to go, so I'm going to go out on the tractor and water all the new plantings. With all the rain that had been in the forecast, we got about half a dozen drops. It rained last night, but when I went out this morning and turned the rain gauge upside down, not one drop came out. Grr... Post deletions mostly don't work for those of us who read via email. Judy is usually very good about watching her post count. For those concerned since it is a 50 post limit give yourself 7 posts a day and you get 1 extra at the end of the week. You can start watching your trends. I may sometime post more at the start of the week because I know many topics are going to piddle out as the week continues and people will drop out of topics because they've posted out. The post count script works by email and downloads the headers once a day a 15 minutes after 0 hours UTC (or GMT). The 15 minutes is because I noticed a latency from Yahoo mail that some might game to post more than the limit. The script filters messages outside the date and time range of the week. Occasionally Yahoo will burp and send out a duplicate of one message. Unfortunately Yahoo will also bump the message number, otherwise duplicate emails with the same message number could be expunged from the count. It appears that web site filters duplicates. Some here will remember that I opposed posting limits as being silly. In fact if you probably told folks at Yahoo about the posting limits they would probably say you have what? I don't know of any other group that has them. Most groups though have narrow topic rules and the moderators either delete messages or remove people who break those rules. I always thought that the complaints about too many posts came from computer illiterate people who for some reason didn't know how to skip messages they weren't interested or the few people who were using the group as their pre-Twitter twitting.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Three Gunas as Vedic Gods
Hey, Mark, great post. Yes, like Bentov I like to see our field-of-expression as a spindle-torus, with the three gunas being Sattva as Love or coherence of matter or Being from the outer or equator inward, the black-hole cohering and scooping in everything to curve back in on itself (Vishnu); Rajas as the radiantly-rotating I AM central singularity-point (Brahma); and Tamas as the white-hole of blissful energy diffusing and exploding outward (Shiva) from the center toward the outer equator again -- though of course, this is from an inner or subjective POV. The introvert's Vishnu is the extrovert's Shiva, and vice-versa. The black-hole apparently creates the inner but destroys the outer, while the white-hole apparently destroys the inner but creates the outer. But that is all from the POV of particles within the flow; in Reality, we are no-thing, beyond the three gunas; the apparent flow is inside of us as an eternal field, and nothing really happens ... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: Is there anyone who would care to discuss the three gunas as living experiences within us, even as personified beings taking us over, similar to but, perhaps, somewhat different than what RC writes about? All three were and are huge parts of my experience in the movement and now. Sattva, as the direct experience of love of the sublime, the divine, even love of reverence, itself, and certainly reverence, pulling the heart along with it as bhakti? I don't, I must say, see a whole lot of that here with a few exceptions. Though we didn't practice bhakti, per se, in TM, that and sattva were certainly huge components of my experience. Of course pure sattva, the simplicity of purity itself, is more characterized by equanimity and balance, but that is not what I wish to speak of here. Rajas, especially in it's form of sexual energy, almost as if it were this huge rakshasa dwelling within one, and yes, rising up into towering intensities, was, for me, rampant in the movement. IME, there were times when M cranked that energy out almost as effectively as the darshan, so that men and women sitting next to each other would start eyeing each others bodies, stroking chair posts and rubbing chair arms and nubs with their fingers. Did no one else perceive this? (No, folks, this was not purely my projections.) There were a whole lot of sexual energies raging around in the subtle planes on our august courses, and M was certainly one of the main perpetrators and participants. And Tamas, in, WIWC, its demonic form, this titanic desire to thrust one's hands into the universe, rip it to shreds and stomp it to smithereens beneath one's feet, to become Siva or Shakti and really do it or, also, of course, to completely remake it in one's own image, and to be furious and frustrated that one couldn't do either, yes, like an acting out frozen inner child? I also, of course, realize, that one could contribute all of the above to a titanic ego, but that, IMO, is the easy way out and wouldn't, I think, do the above justice though, perhaps, I am wrong in this. And, perhaps, there is not much to discuss. Perhaps I am only revealing myself here, yes, in front of the wrong audience. But, OWT (one would think), this forum could possibly be helpful for more than one person in discussing such things. Thanks m
Re: [FairfieldLife] the Karina
Yeah Mark, I was there. Remember the glass doors down stairs shattering? I spoke to M one day in Samoa about putting on pounds during the course and that night he asked if anybody was having *table tendencies* and thus started the Special techniques. From: Mark Landau m...@sky5.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 9:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] the Karina Was anyone else here in the Karina, Mallorca II, and do I even have the hotel name right--the one with the three-termers we almost burned down?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Three Gunas as Vedic Gods
IME rakshasas or demons are simply our own so-called bad children spurned, as the devatas or angels are our own so-called good children approved. The more we try to be sattvic good guy the more we demonize our not-good selves, and the stronger and more demanding and more external the so-called demonic gets. And oddly enough, however we treat these children of ours is exactly how we end up feeling treated by the Universe. What we do unto others, we are actually doing to ourself. If we reject these ugly children, we end up feeling ugly, rejected, unloved and alienated. What goes around, comes around. Whatever we sow, we end up reaping. We can't sow seeds of disunion and rejection and end up reaping love and union. As Jesus was supposed to have said, the key is not to resist evil but to look inside oneself for the log before pointing out the dust-fleck in our neighbor's eye. All of the evil we see out there stems from our own rejected children in here. Also, it behooves us to allow the little children to come to Me, because as you treat the least of these is how you treat Me. All of this is nothing other than the chod or demon-feeding technique Vaj has occasionally spoken of here, and what I like to call particle-work, bringing all of Us into integrity with unconditional Love. I've been practicing this consciously for nearly thirty years now, and it really works. As we bring unconditional Love to the suffering-points within, and imaginatively give them whatever they need, they lighten up into enlightenment and ecstatic union with us -- something we all can enjoy :-) *L*L*L* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: Hey, Mark, great post. Yes, like Bentov I like to see our field-of-expression as a spindle-torus, with the three gunas being Sattva as Love or coherence of matter or Being from the outer or equator inward, the black-hole cohering and scooping in everything to curve back in on itself (Vishnu); Rajas as the radiantly-rotating I AM central singularity-point (Brahma); and Tamas as the white-hole of blissful energy diffusing and exploding outward (Shiva) from the center toward the outer equator again -- though of course, this is from an inner or subjective POV. The introvert's Vishnu is the extrovert's Shiva, and vice-versa. The black-hole apparently creates the inner but destroys the outer, while the white-hole apparently destroys the inner but creates the outer. But that is all from the POV of particles within the flow; in Reality, we are no-thing, beyond the three gunas; the apparent flow is inside of us as an eternal field, and nothing really happens ... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: Is there anyone who would care to discuss the three gunas as living experiences within us, even as personified beings taking us over, similar to but, perhaps, somewhat different than what RC writes about? All three were and are huge parts of my experience in the movement and now. Sattva, as the direct experience of love of the sublime, the divine, even love of reverence, itself, and certainly reverence, pulling the heart along with it as bhakti? I don't, I must say, see a whole lot of that here with a few exceptions. Though we didn't practice bhakti, per se, in TM, that and sattva were certainly huge components of my experience. Of course pure sattva, the simplicity of purity itself, is more characterized by equanimity and balance, but that is not what I wish to speak of here. Rajas, especially in it's form of sexual energy, almost as if it were this huge rakshasa dwelling within one, and yes, rising up into towering intensities, was, for me, rampant in the movement. IME, there were times when M cranked that energy out almost as effectively as the darshan, so that men and women sitting next to each other would start eyeing each others bodies, stroking chair posts and rubbing chair arms and nubs with their fingers. Did no one else perceive this? (No, folks, this was not purely my projections.) There were a whole lot of sexual energies raging around in the subtle planes on our august courses, and M was certainly one of the main perpetrators and participants. And Tamas, in, WIWC, its demonic form, this titanic desire to thrust one's hands into the universe, rip it to shreds and stomp it to smithereens beneath one's feet, to become Siva or Shakti and really do it or, also, of course, to completely remake it in one's own image, and to be furious and frustrated that one couldn't do either, yes, like an acting out frozen inner child? I also, of course, realize, that one could contribute all of the above to a titanic ego, but that, IMO, is the easy way out and wouldn't, I think, do the above justice though, perhaps, I am wrong in this. And, perhaps, there is not much to discuss. Perhaps I am
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count (Deletegate)
Abby called again and said he's changed his mind. After more thought he figures protesting by giving up our posts has already been done. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_JOGmXpe5INR=1 He also said: Every tribe needs a truth commission and FFL should be no exception. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 10:54:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count (Deletegate) I am a fan of posting limits but I am also a fan of spirit of the law verses letter of the law. It accomplished its goal of cutting out obnoxious over-posting, so I really don't care if anyone goes over some week by accident. If it was chronic that would be a different story. But with Judy, that is obviously not the case. I throw my hat in for leniency for all going forward. We know what the rule is about. I say everyone deserves a mulligan, using a word that I will never get a chance to use in its actual sports context. I believe that as Mark Twain pointed out Golf is a good walk spoiled. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 07/29/2011 05:21 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Pricebobpriced@ wrote: Lets make it official: Deletegate We need something catchy and memorable for future archival research. And unless the supremos (Alex and Rick) intervene I say we form a committee with subpoena powers to investigate. Jim recently spaced out on the day/time and had to take a week off. The only difference here is that Judy quickly saw her mistake and attempted to right the wrong by deleting her posts. I *really* hate being put in the position of making this call, so I emailed Rick and told him that I am stepping away from this one. It's his call. As for me, I have a tank full of pond water ready to go, so I'm going to go out on the tractor and water all the new plantings. With all the rain that had been in the forecast, we got about half a dozen drops. It rained last night, but when I went out this morning and turned the rain gauge upside down, not one drop came out. Grr... Post deletions mostly don't work for those of us who read via email. Judy is usually very good about watching her post count. For those concerned since it is a 50 post limit give yourself 7 posts a day and you get 1 extra at the end of the week. You can start watching your trends. I may sometime post more at the start of the week because I know many topics are going to piddle out as the week continues and people will drop out of topics because they've posted out. The post count script works by email and downloads the headers once a day a 15 minutes after 0 hours UTC (or GMT). The 15 minutes is because I noticed a latency from Yahoo mail that some might game to post more than the limit. The script filters messages outside the date and time range of the week. Occasionally Yahoo will burp and send out a duplicate of one message. Unfortunately Yahoo will also bump the message number, otherwise duplicate emails with the same message number could be expunged from the count. It appears that web site filters duplicates. Some here will remember that I opposed posting limits as being silly. In fact if you probably told folks at Yahoo about the posting limits they would probably say you have what? I don't know of any other group that has them. Most groups though have narrow topic rules and the moderators either delete messages or remove people who break those rules. I always thought that the complaints about too many posts came from computer illiterate people who for some reason didn't know how to skip messages they weren't interested or the few people who were using the group as their pre-Twitter twitting.
[FairfieldLife] Strange creature seems to be smoking a pipe in this new Crop Circle
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/cherhillwhitehorse/cherhillwhitehorse2011a.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If TM were a drug?
I use Banyan's products too. I also have some of the Pukka teas they distribute though the local health food store a couple miles away stocks the full Pukka line. And that's cheaper because there's no shipping. And same for the cycling of herbs which is a very common ayurvedic practice. Sometimes all I need is a pinch of some herbal combination every so once in a while. Learning some ayurveda is good. Most of my workshops were from Dr. Lad's people including one with Dr. Lad himself. On 07/28/2011 08:59 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote: I have used Banyan Botanicals in the past. They seem to have a product - http://www.banyanbotanicals.com/prodinfo.asp?number=1271variation=aite\ m=3mitem=4 http://www.banyanbotanicals.com/prodinfo.asp?number=1271variation=ait\ em=3mitem=4 (It has Ashwagandha, the stress buster). A good technique with herbs is to take them for 3 weeks and lay off for a week. The good thing with Ayurvedic medicine is that they work very gently, rejuvenate your body ability's to deal with the problem so you can ultimately quit after a few months. Worked like a charm for my fatty liver issues. I hate going to sleep because I don't see any reason for it, once asleep I hate getting up because I don't see any good reason for it either :-), so I'm always late at work, glad I'm working though since I'm forced to sleep and get up because of that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evansdmevans365@... wrote: I may see an Ayurvedic practitioner. Â I am going to try Valerian and the tribal mantra...definitely am of the pitta variety. Â Have resorted to 1/2 an Ambien...which definitely puts you out...but it's more like being knocked out, which is not the goal! Â I have no side effects that I'm aware of in the AM however, so it's pretty tempting to use. Â I've had some success with Melatonin but have to take a lot of it. --- On Wed, 7/27/11, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: From: Bhairitu noozguru@... Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] If TM were a drug? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 27, 2011, 9:58 AM Â Knowing some ayurveda is useful. Insomnia is often related to a vata imbalance though in summer excess pitta can cause it. Cooling and calming herbs are useful. Spearmint tea is cooling for pitta and somewhat calming for vata. Comfrey is also a good tea to use. Dr. Lad's vata tea consists of equal amounts of cumin, coriander and ginger. But if pitta might be an issue reduce or omit the ginger. Even back in the 1980s I kept a bottle of valerian root tablets next to my bed to allay insomnia. Ram is a calming mantra for vata. I've also successfully used this tribal mantra to bring on sleep: http://www.intentblog.com/archives/2007/02/health_tip_of_t_1.html On 07/27/2011 09:40 AM, Denise Evans wrote: Sleep deprivation is a chronic issue - does TM allow you to nap at will? --- On Fri, 7/22/11, Vajvajradhatu@... wrote: From: Vajvajradhatu@... Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] If TM were a drug? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 22, 2011, 5:00 AM On Jul 22, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Tom Pall wrote: On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 6:27 AM, cardemaisterno_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: If Transcendental Meditation were a drug, conferring so many benefits with few, if any, side effects, it would be a billion-dollar blockbuster. - Norman E. Rosenthal, Transcendence: Healing and Transformation Through Transcendental Meditation Wiki: Rosenthal began a private practice in the suburbs of Washington, D.C. in 1979.[2] At the same time he began a research fellowship with Fredrick Goodwin at the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) in Bethesda, Maryland. [3]This was the beginning of a 20 year career with the NIMH as a Researcher, Research Fellow, and Senior Researcher.[2][4] Rosenthal eventually became the director of seasonal studies at the institute and in 1985 led research with 160 participants on the effects of SAD and later studied the psycho-physiological phenomena of spring fever. [5][6] If TM were a drug, it would be an unapproved one. First put in the market because of it's wonderful effects then quickly taken off the market because of its horrific side effects. This happens with drugs all the time as clinicians start noting dangerous side effects with a wider population than in the studies, though many of the ontoward side effects observed during clinical trials are swept under the rug. TM would be eventually be classified as a Schedule I drug in the US, with the ability to waste lives at least as often as heroin. There are dangerous drugs which are put on and kept on the market because although they have a profile where the dangerous side effects are about as frequent as their useful properties, these drugs are prescribed in tightly monitored situations. That's not the situation with TM, where it's get everyone to buy it and many to use it 8 hours
RE: [FairfieldLife] Strange creature seems to be smoking a pipe in this new Crop Circle
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 1:13 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Strange creature seems to be smoking a pipe in this new Crop Circle http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/cherhillwhitehorse/cherhillwhitehors e2011a.html I knew it! The aliens are stoners!
[FairfieldLife] 'Tea Party Bitches=Burn Baby Burn'
These tea party bitches, want to just burn everything down... They remind me of the burning of the Reichstag in Germany in 1933... They are cut from the same cloth.. They are American facists, for sure. These raksashas would take our country down... For no reason other then to create: CHAOS! And remember, although Jesus said to love your enemy... He did turn the tables in the Temple... Even Jesus lost his patience with these money worshipping types... Ones who have no campassion, and only serve their own small egos... To the loss of us all... r.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Strange creature seems to be smoking a pipe in this new Crop Circle
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 1:13 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Strange creature seems to be smoking a pipe in this new Crop Circle http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/cherhillwhitehorse/cherhillwhitehors e2011a.html I knew it! The aliens are stoners! HAHA ! Who knew Rick Archer has humour ?? hehe :-)
[FairfieldLife] Emptiness is the Potential of Everything
If MMY was alive now, he would have used dark energy as an example of this potential. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVBWcF0MNEgfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Climate Change Debunked? Not So Fast
Climate Change Debunked? Not So Fast Stephanie Pappas, LiveScience Senior Writer Date: 28 July 2011 Time: 07:14 PM ET [cloud cover and climate change] Scientists have shown that as the planet warms water vapor, and thus clouds, will increase, trapping even more heat. One scientist, however, suggests random events drive clouds, which then drive warming. CREDIT: Nicolle Rager Fuller, National Science Foundation View full size image New research suggesting that cloud cover, not carbon dioxide, causes global warming is getting buzz in climate skeptic circles. But mainstream climate scientists dismissed the research as unrealistic and politically motivated. It is not newsworthy, Daniel Murphy, a National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) cloud researcher, wrote in an email to LiveScience. The study, published July 26 in the open-access online journal Remote Sensing, got public attention when a writer for The Heartland Institute, a libertarian think-tank that promotes climate change skepticism http://www.livescience.com/11372-top-10-craziest-environmental-ideas.ht\ ml , wrote for Forbes magazine that the study disproved the global warming worries of climate change alarmists. http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alarmis\ m-192334971.html However, mainstream climate scientists say that the argument advanced in the paper is neither new nor correct. The paper's author, University of Alabama, Huntsville researcher Roy Spencer, is a climate change skeptic and controversial figure within the climate research community. He's taken an incorrect model, he's tweaked it to match observations, but the conclusions you get from that are not correct, Andrew Dessler, a professor of atmospheric sciences at Texas AM University, said of Spencer's new study. Cloud chaos Spencer's research hinges on the role of clouds in climate change. Mainstream climate researchers agree that climate change happens when carbon dioxide traps heat from the sun in the atmosphere, much in the same way that a windshield traps solar heat in a car on a sunny afternoon. As the planet warms, a side effect is more water vapor in the atmosphere. This water vapor, known to most of us as clouds, traps more heat, creating a viscous loop. [Earth in Balance: 7 Crucial Tipping Points http://www.livescience.com/13032-earth-7-tipping-points-climate-change.\ html ] Spencer sees it differently. He thinks that the whole cycle starts with the clouds. In other words, random increases in cloud cover cause climate warming. The cloud changes are caused by chaos in the climate system, Spencer told LiveScience. In the new paper, Spencer looked at satellite data from 2000 to 2010 to compare cloud cover and surface temperatures. Using a simple model, he linked the two, finding, he said, that clouds drive warming. His comparisons of his data with six Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) models showed, he said, that the models are too sensitive (meaning some variables, such as warming, increase at the slightest change in other factors) and that carbon dioxide is not likely to cause much warming at all. [Image Gallery: Curious Clouds http://www.livescience.com/11256-curious-clouds.html ] Disagreements However, no climate scientist contacted by LiveScience agreed. The study finds a mismatch between the month-to-month variations in temperature and cloud cover in models versus the real world over the past 10 years, said Gavin Schmidt, a NASA Goddard climatologist. What this mismatch is due to data processing, errors in the data or real problems in the models is completely unclear. Other researchers pointed to flaws in Spencer's paper, including an unrealistic model placing clouds as the driver of warming and a lack of information about the statistical significance of the observed temperature changes. Statistical significance is the likelihood of results being real, as opposed to chance fluctuations unrelated to the other variables in the experiment. I cannot believe it got published, said Kevin Trenberth, a senior scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research. Several researchers expressed frustration that the study was attracting media attention. If you want to do a story then write one pointing to the ridiculousness of people jumping onto every random press release as if well-established science gets dismissed on a dime, Schmidt said. Climate sensitivity is not constrained by the last two decades of imperfect satellite data, but rather the paleoclimate record http://www.livescience.com/5871-drilling-ice-earth-future.html . Spencer agreed that his work could not disprove the existence of manmade global warming. But he dismissed research on the ancient climate, calling it a gray science. Politics and science The science of Spencer's work proved inextricable from the political debate surrounding global warming
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: #f@ckyouwashington
Bill Gates and Warren Buffet just happen to have a value system with respect to social responsibiity that corresponds more closely to mine, persay. The Koch Brother's value system is antithetical to mine and, therefore, their influence and money-wielding power and control are damaging, to say the least. Oprah will save the day!! In all cases...too much money under too unilateral a controlof course, now the solution sounds like the dreaded socialism...and our president has already been accused of being a socialist in much bad press back in the good 'ol healthcare debate. Now we accuse him of being a pawn of the capitalists, a right-winger in sheep's clothing, a weak-willed community organizer, etc. I'm thinkin' prayer is the answer...and that action concept of non-violent defiance on the part of the people that was put forth in the ultimate conspiracy video of the illuminati posted here a few hundred posts back :) --- On Fri, 7/29/11, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: #f@ckyouwashington To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 29, 2011, 9:11 AM On 07/29/2011 08:51 AM, wayback71 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evansdmevans365@... wrote: I've said for a long time that it is corporate that's running the show.  While I believe Obama thought he could usher in a more just and robust America, he wasn't able to and is now another pawn taking directions from the big Democratic party doners.  However, he faced unbelievable odds...Bush and the Republicans left this country in tatters after inheriting the strongest federal balance sheet in postwar history.  I have no understanding of how anyone could trust that agenda, which is why, when I look at the alternative to Obama, I get even more worried.  All politicians give us BS in their speeches - I can't tolerate listening to any of them on either side.  I think we need to get a message to the Democratic Party and our individual reps...they are just as bad right now in using sensationalism and self-righteousness to drum up money as the other side...two sides of the same coin.  It's a completely flawed system. Maybe there is value in a 4th party, I don't know. Until we, the people, address corporate america and demand that they work for us and not the other way around, we are screwed.  How do we do this?  I'd like to hear some ideas. Denise, I have been thinking about your question and just heard about this book by Ralph Nader, Only the Rich Can Save Us. The Amazon summary sounds fascinating. His basic positionis that the superrich (Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, etc) have the means and power to make changes in various parts of our society (refomr of health care, education, government) if they decide to do so. Check it out if it sounds of interest to you. Problem is that Gates and Buffet type billionaires are the minority. There is a long history of older rich families who don't think much of the public and have little interest in saving anything. Look at the damage the Koch brothers are doing. We've spent centuries trying to rid ourselves of the landed gentry and we don't need to encourage retain that class division.
[FairfieldLife] Re: the Karina
In Mallorca, I spent Oct of 11971 in one hotel, then moved to the hotel where the evening lectures were held. then moved to the hotel in which MMY was living. I cannot recall the names and which was which. Altho one of them was the Karina. I know loads of people used incense and did pujas in their rooms (didn't we all?), and I recall that someone's curtain blew into their space heater and caught fire (some rooms were freezing so they gave us space heaters). Some people stuck pictures of MMY and Guru Dev on their walls with honey. I myself stopped drinking any water except at dinner because I did not want to have to go to the bathroom during asanas or meditations. I wanted smooth sailing all day long, uninterrupted by anything! I got dehydrated and went to the dr who made the diagnosis. I --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: Was anyone else here in the Karina, Mallorca II, and do I even have the hotel name right--the one with the three-termers we almost burned down?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Three Gunas as Vedic Gods
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: Rajas, especially in it's form of sexual energy, almost as if it were this huge rakshasa dwelling within one, and yes, rising up into towering intensities, was, for me, rampant in the movement. IME, there were times when M cranked that energy out almost as effectively as the darshan, so that men and women sitting next to each other would start eyeing each others bodies, stroking chair posts and rubbing chair arms and nubs with their fingers. Did no one else perceive this? (No, folks, this was not purely my projections.) There were a whole lot of sexual energies raging around in the subtle planes on our august courses, and M was certainly one of the main perpetrators and participants. This guna description interests me predictably enough. I see a few things that don't match my perception of reality in this description. When I was in the movement I acquired the fundamentalist Hindu's bad attitude about sex. Equating sexual energy with a rakshasa seems to be an expression of what I now consider to be a very unhealthy attitude. It took me many years to not view sex as if I was losing something which was the way we thought of it at sidhaland. This puritanical negative view even resulted in me experiencing what I now consider my self-fulfilling prophesy. I used to get tired or experience that my awareness had been compromised from sex. All I can say is that this experience is completely optional and now it is practically the opposite of how it affects me now. If was was going to assign a guna (and I would be unlikely to do so outside this discussion.) it would be the loving connection with a loved one that only the grace of sattwa could achieve. Two separate beings joined in an act so comprehensively loving that we share our primal roots along with one of the most profound shifts of unitive consciousness possible to share. The second thing that doesn't match my experience is that Maharishi somehow was projecting this onto us. We were young, we were hot, and we were already in the type of enhanced trance state that makes for great sex. We didn't need any help from him, horn dog though he might have been, pitching dhoti tents behind those flower vases he always had on his table. And one thing is sure to make you want to jump someone's bones is the instruction to stop jumping bones during the course. While sitting in a room with every version of international beauty whose bones you could dream about jumping! Of course perhaps I had misread your view of sex completely Mark and have misrepresented your views. If that is the case then consider this a piece about my own bad attitudes in my past. I also assumed that the kundalini energy increased during all that meditation and that that same energy made us all very excited - at least that has been my experience. Is there anyone who would care to discuss the three gunas as living experiences within us, even as personified beings taking us over, similar to but, perhaps, somewhat different than what RC writes about? All three were and are huge parts of my experience in the movement and now. Sattva, as the direct experience of love of the sublime, the divine, even love of reverence, itself, and certainly reverence, pulling the heart along with it as bhakti? I don't, I must say, see a whole lot of that here with a few exceptions. Though we didn't practice bhakti, per se, in TM, that and sattva were certainly huge components of my experience. Of course pure sattva, the simplicity of purity itself, is more characterized by equanimity and balance, but that is not what I wish to speak of here. Rajas, especially in it's form of sexual energy, almost as if it were this huge rakshasa dwelling within one, and yes, rising up into towering intensities, was, for me, rampant in the movement. IME, there were times when M cranked that energy out almost as effectively as the darshan, so that men and women sitting next to each other would start eyeing each others bodies, stroking chair posts and rubbing chair arms and nubs with their fingers. Did no one else perceive this? (No, folks, this was not purely my projections.) There were a whole lot of sexual energies raging around in the subtle planes on our august courses, and M was certainly one of the main perpetrators and participants. And Tamas, in, WIWC, its demonic form, this titanic desire to thrust one's hands into the universe, rip it to shreds and stomp it to smithereens beneath one's feet, to become Siva or Shakti and really do it or, also, of course, to completely remake it in one's own image, and to be furious and frustrated that one couldn't do either, yes,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: #f@ckyouwashington
This makes enormous senseyou should publish this in the Op/Ed section :) --- On Fri, 7/29/11, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: From: raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: #f@ckyouwashington To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 29, 2011, 7:42 AM Obama could save the day by invoking the 14th Amendment and shaming the Tea Party crazies for trying to burn down the house. It could be his ticket to victory in 2012, but will he do it? If he doesn't, Obama will be a one-term president. His base of loyal lefties is gone, the Tea Party wants his head, and the independents aren't impressed with his efforts to give away the farm. The manufactured debt ceiling crisis, the self-inflicted wound that has everyone disgusted with both parties, has made us ripe for the pickings by a stealth third party candidate that will be Obama's and our undoing. It won't be a Tea Party crazy. That would be too obvious. They need someone sneaky. It will be...drum roll please...an Ayn Rand, 3rd Reichian, uber-libertarian funded by Americans Elect, the spawn of Flat Earther, Thomas Friedman and the CATO institute. Their candidate will pose as a squeaky-clean man/woman of the people, a populist Bull Moose, Teddy Roosevelt type. Beware of any third party candidate faintly tainted by their stench. When I see a media promotion sponsored by Shell Oil like this: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/fast-fix/fast-fix-third-party-presidency-092236920.html I smell oil-billionaire-Koch-brother money priming the propaganda pump to make us believe anyone but a Republican or Democrat will magically fix the way Washington works. Sound familiar? Americans Elect seemingly comes from nowhere during an economic crisis. How did that happen? They are simply taking advantage of the disaster capitalism Naomi Klein warned us of in Shock Doctrine and they don't even have a candidate. They don't need one. They have cleverly hatched a plan to ask voters to nominate a candidate on the Internet. They promise the winner will be on the 2012 ballot in every state. Wow! Imagine the power every rube in the county will feel being involved in the nomination process instead of stuck with party picks. Americans Elect will give voters the illusion that they are picking a candidate when in fact it's a scam to solicit money for their Libertarian Super Pac so they can pick and promote whomever they damn well please. These jokers don't care about democracy. They care about bleeding the poor. Reagan was a big fan of Ayn Rand, which is why trickle down turned out to be an Orwellian trickle up from the have-nots to the haves. Libertarians cherish the vision of Ayn Rand world where, One puts oneself above all and crushes everything in one's way to get the best for oneself. They hate government regulation. They hate anything owned by the public...school, water, roads, energy. They hate government, especially government work programs to fix roads and bridges. Why raise taxes to fix anything when you can let it all go to hell, privatize the commons the sell it off to corporate globalists who pay slave wages? Libertarians are so fucking worried that grandma might have huge medical expenses; they rather cut off her Medicare than pay one dime more in higher taxes. Libertarians are evil, greedy bastards to the core. Real Democrats know in their bones that tax cuts only make the rich richer. Real Democrats know people need money in their pockets to drive the engine of economy. Real Democrats would fix our crumbling infrastructure and put people back to work as FDR did in the 1930's. That's how we got out of the Depression then and that's how we'll get out of hard times now. Real Democrats...I only wish.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Three Gunas as Vedic Gods
On Jul 29, 2011, at 10:45 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: Rajas, especially in it's form of sexual energy, almost as if it were this huge rakshasa dwelling within one, and yes, rising up into towering intensities, was, for me, rampant in the movement. IME, there were times when M cranked that energy out almost as effectively as the darshan, so that men and women sitting next to each other would start eyeing each others bodies, stroking chair posts and rubbing chair arms and nubs with their fingers. Did no one else perceive this? (No, folks, this was not purely my projections.) There were a whole lot of sexual energies raging around in the subtle planes on our august courses, and M was certainly one of the main perpetrators and participants. This guna description interests me predictably enough. I see a few things that don't match my perception of reality in this description. When I was in the movement I acquired the fundamentalist Hindu's bad attitude about sex. Equating sexual energy with a rakshasa seems to be an expression of what I now consider to be a very unhealthy attitude. It took me many years to not view sex as if I was losing something which was the way we thought of it at sidhaland. This puritanical negative view even resulted in me experiencing what I now consider my self-fulfilling prophesy. I used to get tired or experience that my awareness had been compromised from sex. All I can say is that this experience is completely optional and now it is practically the opposite of how it affects me now. If was was going to assign a guna (and I would be unlikely to do so outside this discussion.) it would be the loving connection with a loved one that only the grace of sattwa could achieve. Two separate beings joined in an act so comprehensively loving that we share our primal roots along with one of the most profound shifts of unitive consciousness possible to share. The second thing that doesn't match my experience is that Maharishi somehow was projecting this onto us. We were young, we were hot, and we were already in the type of enhanced trance state that makes for great sex. We didn't need any help from him, horn dog though he might have been, pitching dhoti tents behind those flower vases he always had on his table. And one thing is sure to make you want to jump someone's bones is the instruction to stop jumping bones during the course. While sitting in a room with every version of international beauty whose bones you could dream about jumping! Of course perhaps I had misread your view of sex completely Mark and have misrepresented your views. If that is the case then consider this a piece about my own bad attitudes in my past. Thank you for your response and what you write, especially about the beauty and sacredness of true union, Curtis, but, yes, total misread. That is not what I meant at all. That is not what I meant at all. I have no problem with sex and am not at all equating it with a rakshasa. I'm being quite literal when I talk about personified beings taking over, beings over and above our innate, natural tendencies. Beyond that, all I can do is recommend another reading of my full, original post. And, again, sorry, but you had to have been there and to have had the developed or stripped bare perceptual abilities to perceive it, but M would sometimes, rarely, yes, but not super rarely, fill the hall with sexual energy as if it were the golden light of darshan and would even make verbal double entendres about it, such as, Everyone has a different role, one will be the bed... and, If you want the fruit hanging from the tree, just go and pick it. But this begins to get us back into that subject of sexual frustration, which, of course, no one could possibly objectively perceive in another...
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Three Gunas as Vedic Gods
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Landau Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 4:45 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Three Gunas as Vedic Gods And, again, sorry, but you had to have been there and to have had the developed or stripped bare perceptual abilities to perceive it, but M would sometimes, rarely, yes, but not super rarely, fill the hall with sexual energy as if it were the golden light of darshan and would even make verbal double entendres about it, such as, Everyone has a different role, one will be the bed... and, If you want the fruit hanging from the tree, just go and pick it. But this begins to get us back into that subject of sexual frustration, which, of course, no one could possibly objectively perceive in another... Mark, were you at the Santa Barbara ATR course where he went on for about 10 minutes with the analogy that TM is just like screwing? No one could keep a straight face.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 2 huge and intricate Crop Circles discovered today
Perhaps our brethren from the Pleides (sp?) are realizing we need further assistance. --- On Fri, 7/29/11, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 2 huge and intricate Crop Circles discovered today To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 29, 2011, 8:07 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/cherhillwhitehorse/cherhillwhitehorse2011a.html http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/rivar/rivar2011.html So, they utilize a worm hole to travel faster than the speed of light?? I don't know. What I do know is that they allow much more frequent sightsings of their visits to earth now than just a few years back. It's part of a plan to let us get somehow used to their presence. And to get used to the idea that they are indeed friendly. Together with my girfriend who is a lawyer, mostly using her left side of the brain, and almost completely uniterested in what can not be labelled and logicically understood saw a HUGE UFO at 5 am over Berlin. And when I say huge I mean HUGE and quite near, I'd say perhaps 4-500 meters away. It was silently hovering over our heads with lots of lights in different colours. My girlfriend who does not believe in UFO's quietly said; was that an UFO ? I don't think this could have happenned say 10 years ago above a major city. If I'm not much mistaken, I think you will be able to ask that question yourself to the Spacebrothers within 5 years.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2 huge and intricate Crop Circles discovered today
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Perhaps our brethren from the Pleides (sp?) are realizing we need further assistance. Indeed ! http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/cherhillwhitehorse/cherhillwhitehorse2011a.html --- On Fri, 7/29/11, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 2 huge and intricate Crop Circles discovered today To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 29, 2011, 8:07 AM Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/cherhillwhitehorse/cherhillwhitehorse2011a.html http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/rivar/rivar2011.html So, they utilize a worm hole to travel faster than the speed of light?? I don't know. What I do know is that they allow much more frequent sightsings of their visits to earth now than just a few years back. It's part of a plan to let us get somehow used to their presence. And to get used to the idea that they are indeed friendly. Together with my girfriend who is a lawyer, mostly using her left side of the brain, and almost completely uniterested in what can not be labelled and logicically understood saw a HUGE UFO at 5 am over Berlin. And when I say huge I mean HUGE and quite near, I'd say perhaps 4-500 meters away. It was silently hovering over our heads with lots of lights in different colours. My girlfriend who does not believe in UFO's quietly said; was that an UFO ? I don't think this could have happenned say 10 years ago above a major city. If I'm not much mistaken, I think you will be able to ask that question yourself to the Spacebrothers within 5 years.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Three Gunas as Vedic Gods
On Jul 29, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Mark Landau wrote: And, perhaps, there is not much to discuss. Perhaps I am only revealing myself here, yes, in front of the wrong audience. But, OWT (one would think), this forum could possibly be helpful for more than one person in discussing such things. The intellectual constructs of gunas I only find valuable for Ayurvedic consults or something I'm assessing as a combination of experiential and objective values - in the real world where we live our lives, they're only helpful as a thought-construct can be. They therefore hold no absolute value as was done in the TMO. I remember one of my Nath gurus telling me, when I had asked for advice, you know what you're problem is? You don't have enough tamas. This was totally deflating at the time: I was lead to believe I should gain sattva and hold onto it; avoid everything tamasic like the plague. Wear silk clothing to protect me from the tamasic during practice, wear silk underwear otherwise; eat a sattvic diet and everything will be cool. Live a sattvic lifestyle. Ha! What a load of bullshit. I'd be a morbidly obese adult onset diabetic if I'd continued following Mahesh's advice. One wonders: how many died from similar advice? He killed so many, too soon. It is not a helpful construct for living your life, unless you enjoy taking advice for renunciates, to renunciates, of specific classes of mantra. Even then, I'd want to trust that the guru giving that instruction was authentic and held authentic lineage. Of course we now know that Mahesh did not. SO therefore it's important to assess what relative value such advice would hold for one. Curtis' example is a good one for an honest, average person - with good discrimination and an enquiring mind. For those lacking discrimination or the desire to enquire beyond 'what you were told' or 'lead to believe', watch out. Blind followers just do what blind people on any path will naturally do: they fall.
[FairfieldLife] Apple has more Cash than the US Federal Government
Why can't our politicians do the same? http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/apple-more-money-federal-government-163023405.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count (Deletegate)
On Jul 29, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: How can it be considered covering up, when there's nothing the least bit secretive about deleting posts? Admins have a bit more specific info about deletions, but anybody can see that deletions occurred, and anybody can look at the alternate archive and figure out what was deleted. It makes no sense to accuse Judy of trying to hide her overposting when there's simply no possible way to hide the overposting or the deletions. There's also the fact that she emailed me to tell me what had happened. I see no dishonesty or deception in any of her actions. Judy has over-posted on numerous occasions. When she doesn't, she posts out at exactly 50 posts - as if she was totally obsessed with posting. In fact, the reason posting limits were set was BECAUSE OF JUDY (and Lawson). SO the entire list has been held hostage because of these two posters. But really, Judy is the main culprit. Lawson had his own issues and has worked on them to the point where he seems to have those compulsions under control. I myself routinely underpost. But on the occasions where I have just lightly over-posted by Yahoo! not sending a post or two or three to me, I was immediately banned, despite any protest. At this point, since public flogging is no longer in fashion, I think Judy should be both banned and flogged on YouTube.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count (Deletegate)
On 07/29/2011 03:44 PM, Vaj wrote: On Jul 29, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: How can it be considered covering up, when there's nothing the least bit secretive about deleting posts? Admins have a bit more specific info about deletions, but anybody can see that deletions occurred, and anybody can look at the alternate archive and figure out what was deleted. It makes no sense to accuse Judy of trying to hide her overposting when there's simply no possible way to hide the overposting or the deletions. There's also the fact that she emailed me to tell me what had happened. I see no dishonesty or deception in any of her actions. Judy has over-posted on numerous occasions. When she doesn't, she posts out at exactly 50 posts - as if she was totally obsessed with posting. In fact, the reason posting limits were set was BECAUSE OF JUDY (and Lawson). SO the entire list has been held hostage because of these two posters. But really, Judy is the main culprit. Lawson had his own issues and has worked on them to the point where he seems to have those compulsions under control. I myself routinely underpost. But on the occasions where I have just lightly over-posted by Yahoo! not sending a post or two or three to me, I was immediately banned, despite any protest. At this point, since public flogging is no longer in fashion, I think Judy should be both banned and flogged on YouTube. And we know what will happen if she is forgiven: from then on Rick and Alex will be bugged by people who accidentally overpost.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count (Deletegate)
On Jul 29, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Bhairitu wrote: On 07/29/2011 03:44 PM, Vaj wrote: On Jul 29, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: How can it be considered covering up, when there's nothing the least bit secretive about deleting posts? Admins have a bit more specific info about deletions, but anybody can see that deletions occurred, and anybody can look at the alternate archive and figure out what was deleted. It makes no sense to accuse Judy of trying to hide her overposting when there's simply no possible way to hide the overposting or the deletions. There's also the fact that she emailed me to tell me what had happened. I see no dishonesty or deception in any of her actions. Judy has over-posted on numerous occasions. When she doesn't, she posts out at exactly 50 posts - as if she was totally obsessed with posting. In fact, the reason posting limits were set was BECAUSE OF JUDY (and Lawson). SO the entire list has been held hostage because of these two posters. But really, Judy is the main culprit. Lawson had his own issues and has worked on them to the point where he seems to have those compulsions under control. I myself routinely underpost. But on the occasions where I have just lightly over-posted by Yahoo! not sending a post or two or three to me, I was immediately banned, despite any protest. At this point, since public flogging is no longer in fashion, I think Judy should be both banned and flogged on YouTube. And we know what will happen if she is forgiven: from then on Rick and Alex will be bugged by people who accidentally overpost. She's already been forgiven on numerous occaisions. Others, less so. The sad thing is, fag hags like our dear Broom Hilda, will appeal to sensitive men's feminine sides. So they fall prey.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count (Deletegate)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: She's already been forgiven on numerous occaisions. Others, less so. The sad thing is, fag hags like our dear Broom Hilda, will appeal to sensitive men's feminine sides. So they fall prey. I think I just got called gay on FFL! If what you say is true and she has been forgiven in the past, I see your point and Bhairitu's too. Anything that causes Rick and Alex hassles needs to be avoided. I withdraw my point but maintain my strictly hetero-sensitivity as a badge I earned in the 70's when I got that haircut with the layers and the feathering. I ran that till I found out how many more women the bad boys were gett'n. But seriously to repair this insinuation (not that there is anything wrong with it) I am furious about that sports team who traded that huge man to that other sports team because now my favored club will have less of a chance for the playoff tournament contest involving a lot of beer and babes in bikinis as well as a license to turn over cars in my neighborhood and set them on fire to express my displeasure at the outcome of said tournament. That is how manly I am. Plus I am going to eat a steak for dinner because I love having huge meat in my mouth. Wait, that didn't come out right... On Jul 29, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Bhairitu wrote: On 07/29/2011 03:44 PM, Vaj wrote: On Jul 29, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: How can it be considered covering up, when there's nothing the least bit secretive about deleting posts? Admins have a bit more specific info about deletions, but anybody can see that deletions occurred, and anybody can look at the alternate archive and figure out what was deleted. It makes no sense to accuse Judy of trying to hide her overposting when there's simply no possible way to hide the overposting or the deletions. There's also the fact that she emailed me to tell me what had happened. I see no dishonesty or deception in any of her actions. Judy has over-posted on numerous occasions. When she doesn't, she posts out at exactly 50 posts - as if she was totally obsessed with posting. In fact, the reason posting limits were set was BECAUSE OF JUDY (and Lawson). SO the entire list has been held hostage because of these two posters. But really, Judy is the main culprit. Lawson had his own issues and has worked on them to the point where he seems to have those compulsions under control. I myself routinely underpost. But on the occasions where I have just lightly over-posted by Yahoo! not sending a post or two or three to me, I was immediately banned, despite any protest. At this point, since public flogging is no longer in fashion, I think Judy should be both banned and flogged on YouTube. And we know what will happen if she is forgiven: from then on Rick and Alex will be bugged by people who accidentally overpost. She's already been forgiven on numerous occaisions. Others, less so. The sad thing is, fag hags like our dear Broom Hilda, will appeal to sensitive men's feminine sides. So they fall prey.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count (Deletegate)
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: She's already been forgiven on numerous occaisions. Others, less so. The sad thing is, fag hags like our dear Broom Hilda, will appeal to sensitive men's feminine sides. So they fall prey. Won't work here. Our moderator throws his weight around as often as he can to show how butch he is.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count (Deletegate)
On Jul 29, 2011, at 7:25 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I think I just got called gay on FFL! If what you say is true and she has been forgiven in the past, I see your point and Bhairitu's too. Anything that causes Rick and Alex hassles needs to be avoided. No I was referring to Alex and Rick - one who is gay/bi and one who is a goddess lover (a deeply sensitive feminine side). I withdraw my point but maintain my strictly hetero-sensitivity as a badge I earned in the 70's when I got that haircut with the layers and the feathering. I ran that till I found out how many more women the bad boys were gett'n. God I remember that haircut! If only I'd realized. But seriously to repair this insinuation (not that there is anything wrong with it) I am furious about that sports team who traded that huge man to that other sports team because now my favored club will have less of a chance for the playoff tournament contest involving a lot of beer and babes in bikinis as well as a license to turn over cars in my neighborhood and set them on fire to express my displeasure at the outcome of said tournament. That is how manly I am. Plus I am going to eat a steak for dinner because I love having huge meat in my mouth. Wait, that didn't come out right… Well, you could still join the NRA. It's the poor mans Viagra. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count (Deletegate)
On Jul 29, 2011, at 7:26 PM, Tom Pall wrote: On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: She's already been forgiven on numerous occaisions. Others, less so. The sad thing is, fag hags like our dear Broom Hilda, will appeal to sensitive men's feminine sides. So they fall prey. Won't work here. Our moderator throws his weight around as often as he can to show how butch he is. Alex, can we get a pict of you posing with a gun? Any type. Or next to a dead animal you killed? Any kind (except roadkill, of course). ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count (Deletegate)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: That was very funny. I guess I've been a bit insecure since I brought home that issue of Men's Health magazine. I swear it was because they promised me perfect abs, I swear! On Jul 29, 2011, at 7:25 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I think I just got called gay on FFL! If what you say is true and she has been forgiven in the past, I see your point and Bhairitu's too. Anything that causes Rick and Alex hassles needs to be avoided. No I was referring to Alex and Rick - one who is gay/bi and one who is a goddess lover (a deeply sensitive feminine side). I withdraw my point but maintain my strictly hetero-sensitivity as a badge I earned in the 70's when I got that haircut with the layers and the feathering. I ran that till I found out how many more women the bad boys were gett'n. God I remember that haircut! If only I'd realized. But seriously to repair this insinuation (not that there is anything wrong with it) I am furious about that sports team who traded that huge man to that other sports team because now my favored club will have less of a chance for the playoff tournament contest involving a lot of beer and babes in bikinis as well as a license to turn over cars in my neighborhood and set them on fire to express my displeasure at the outcome of said tournament. That is how manly I am. Plus I am going to eat a steak for dinner because I love having huge meat in my mouth. Wait, that didn't come out right Well, you could still join the NRA. It's the poor mans Viagra. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count (Deletegate)
Sounds like you are jealous Vaj. perhaps you should try dressing in drag, and we'll be more lenient on the posting limits. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 29, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: How can it be considered covering up, when there's nothing the least bit secretive about deleting posts? Admins have a bit more specific info about deletions, but anybody can see that deletions occurred, and anybody can look at the alternate archive and figure out what was deleted. It makes no sense to accuse Judy of trying to hide her overposting when there's simply no possible way to hide the overposting or the deletions. There's also the fact that she emailed me to tell me what had happened. I see no dishonesty or deception in any of her actions. Judy has over-posted on numerous occasions. When she doesn't, she posts out at exactly 50 posts - as if she was totally obsessed with posting. In fact, the reason posting limits were set was BECAUSE OF JUDY (and Lawson). SO the entire list has been held hostage because of these two posters. But really, Judy is the main culprit. Lawson had his own issues and has worked on them to the point where he seems to have those compulsions under control. I myself routinely underpost. But on the occasions where I have just lightly over-posted by Yahoo! not sending a post or two or three to me, I was immediately banned, despite any protest. At this point, since public flogging is no longer in fashion, I think Judy should be both banned and flogged on YouTube.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count (Deletegate)
It wasn't really spacing out Alex. I live on the West coast and have been flying to the East coast every couple of weeks since January. Just lost track of the timezone differential. No big deal - I accept the rules in place. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Lets make it official: Deletegate We need something catchy and memorable for future archival research. And unless the supremos (Alex and Rick) intervene I say we form a committee with subpoena powers to investigate. Jim recently spaced out on the day/time and had to take a week off. The only difference here is that Judy quickly saw her mistake and attempted to right the wrong by deleting her posts. I *really* hate being put in the position of making this call, so I emailed Rick and told him that I am stepping away from this one. It's his call. As for me, I have a tank full of pond water ready to go, so I'm going to go out on the tractor and water all the new plantings. With all the rain that had been in the forecast, we got about half a dozen drops. It rained last night, but when I went out this morning and turned the rain gauge upside down, not one drop came out. Grr...
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Three Gunas as Vedic Gods
This psychologizes chö (d) and is a way to dismiss it as merely a method to devalue our internal fodder. Chö means cutting; it is a Buddhist Tantric method for severing our human psyche from abhaya- which is primal dread or the tremendum. Rakshasa-s/demons are not simple psychological projections and neither are deva-s. To dismiss them on such grounds is to indulge in reductionism. \ ... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: IME rakshasas or demons are simply our own so-called bad children spurned, as the devatas or angels are our own so-called good children approved. All of this is nothing other than the chod or demon-feeding technique Vaj has occasionally spoken of here,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
Back to the Tibetan Autonomous Region for you, Vaj - Enjoy your week off! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@... wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jul 23 00:00:00 2011 End Date (UTC): Sat Jul 30 00:00:00 2011 888 messages as of (UTC) Fri Jul 29 23:52:53 2011 54 Vaj vajradhatu@... 53 authfriend jstein@... 50 whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... 50 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com 50 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 48 Mark Landau m...@sky5.com 44 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... 39 Bhairitu noozguru@... 38 Bob Price bobpriced@... 35 richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... 31 curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... 30 obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com 29 Denise Evans dmevans365@... 28 Tom Pall thomas.pall@... 24 sparaig LEnglish5@... 23 RoryGoff rorygoff@... 22 emptybill emptybill@... 21 John jr_esq@... 19 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 18 Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... 18 Rick Archer rick@... 17 Yifu yifuxero@... 13 Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... 13 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... 12 tedadams108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 12 maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com 11 wayback71 wayback71@... 11 Buck dhamiltony2k5@... 9 wgm4u wgm4u@... 7 at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@... 6 seventhray1 steve.sundur@... 6 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... 5 fflmod fflmod@... 5 PaliGap compost1uk@... 4 raunchydog raunchydog@... 3 WLeed3@... 3 Robert babajii_99@... 2 wvosteen monroe1@... 2 shukra69 shukra69@... 2 noah wayback71@... 2 merlin vedamerlin@... 2 johnt johnlasher20002000@... 2 azgrey no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 Joe geezerfreak@... 2 J JB789@... 2 Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 do.rflex do.rflex@... 1 ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 richardnelson108 richardnelson108@... 1 martyboi martyboi@... 1 eustace10679 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 Jean jeanjessup@... 1 Declan Fitzmaurice declan.fitzmaurice@... 1 David fiskedavid@... Posters: 54 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Tea Party Bitches=Burn Baby Burn'
And what would you know about the 1933 Reichtag fire Chaim? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: These tea party bitches, want to just burn everything down... They remind me of the burning of the Reichstag in Germany in 1933... They are cut from the same cloth.. They are American facists, for sure. These raksashas would take our country down... For no reason other then to create: CHAOS! And remember, although Jesus said to love your enemy... He did turn the tables in the Temple... Even Jesus lost his patience with these money worshipping types... Ones who have no campassion, and only serve their own small egos... To the loss of us all... r.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count
Awww, let's make the limit 55. I always liked those master numbers... And doesn't that resonate with something to do with driving? On Jul 29, 2011, at 6:16 PM, FFL PostCount wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jul 23 00:00:00 2011 End Date (UTC): Sat Jul 30 00:00:00 2011 888 messages as of (UTC) Fri Jul 29 23:52:53 2011 54 Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net 53 authfriend jst...@panix.com 50 whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com 50 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com 50 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 48 Mark Landau m...@sky5.com 44 Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net 39 Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 38 Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com 35 richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com 31 curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com 30 obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com 29 Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com 28 Tom Pall thomas.p...@gmail.com 24 sparaig lengli...@cox.net 23 RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com 22 emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com 21 John jr_...@yahoo.com 19 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 18 Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com 18 Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com 17 Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com 13 Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com 13 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com 12 tedadams108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 12 maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com 11 wayback71 waybac...@yahoo.com 11 Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com 9 wgm4u wg...@yahoo.com 7 at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brah...@sbcglobal.net 6 seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net 6 Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com 5 fflmod ffl...@yahoo.com 5 PaliGap compost...@yahoo.co.uk 4 raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com 3 wle...@aol.com 3 Robert babajii...@yahoo.com 2 wvosteen monr...@monroe-electronics.com 2 shukra69 shukr...@yahoo.ca 2 noah waybac...@yahoo.com 2 merlin vedamer...@yahoo.de 2 johnt johnlasher20002...@yahoo.com 2 azgrey no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 Joe geezerfr...@yahoo.com 2 J jb...@hotmail.com 2 Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com 1 ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 richardnelson108 richardnelson...@yahoo.com 1 martyboi marty...@yahoo.com 1 eustace10679 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 Jean jeanjes...@q.com 1 Declan Fitzmaurice declan.fitzmaur...@yahoo.com 1 David fiskeda...@hotmail.com Posters: 54 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Three Gunas as Vedic Gods
I think the key lies in how Rory defines himself; as an all inclusive entity. Psychological has nothing to do with it. He is making the point (if you don't mind me speaking up for you Rory...heh heh) that the world as it is assembled is essentially what we make it. There is nothing in the world truly external, or unreachable, for us. It is all us, an inclusive environment which we take in, both divine and demonic, with an open heart. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: This psychologizes chö (d) and is a way to dismiss it as merely a method to devalue our internal fodder. Chö means cutting; it is a Buddhist Tantric method for severing our human psyche from abhaya- which is primal dread or the tremendum. Rakshasa-s/demons are not simple psychological projections and neither are deva-s. To dismiss them on such grounds is to indulge in reductionism. \ ... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: IME rakshasas or demons are simply our own so-called bad children spurned, as the devatas or angels are our own so-called good children approved. All of this is nothing other than the chod or demon-feeding technique Vaj has occasionally spoken of here,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count (Deletegate)
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: Alex, can we get a pict of you posing with a gun? Any type. Or next to a dead animal you killed? Any kind (except roadkill, of course). ;-) Standing next to an animal you've killed with a gun doesn't prove you're a man. Now what I did shows manhood. You see, I was up working in Alaska during the Valdez days. One Saturday I I got some time off so I went to the Pioneer Club in downtown Anchorage. The Pioneer Club is the oldest extant bar in Anchorage and it's typical Alaskan redneck. I ordered up a beer, turned to the guy sitting next to me and told him that I was from Texas but that I sure loved Alaska, it was so pretty and that I'd do anything to become an Alaskan. Apparently there were a bunch of guys who honed in on the conversation. One guy behind me said Tex, do you really want to become an Alaskan? I said Yes, of course. Well now, it's easy to become an Alaskan. There are only 3 steps involved. What do I have to do? I'd do anything to become an Alaskan. Tex, first, you have to drink you up a whole bottle of Yukon Jack, all in one sitting. I ordered up a bottle of Yukon Jack and a glass and commenced to drinking. OK, what else do I have to do? You have to kill yourself a grizzly bear with your bare hands. Shoot. we do that for fun on a Saturday night. What's the last thing I have to do? You have to rape yourself an Eskimo woman. I involuntarily spit out the Yukon Jack I had in my mouth. Shoot. Do you know how ugly those Eskimos are? Tex, it's not two out of three. So, I finished the bottle of whiskey and wondered/half staggered out into the Alaskan winter. About 4 hours later I was outside the Pioneer Club, lying on my stomach, with just enough strength to tap on the door. My clothes were pretty much clawed off and I was bleeding from the dozens of claw marks. Eventually someone heard my tap, tap, tap and they opened the door. A couple guys picked me up, sat me down on the bar stool and held me, trying to keep me from sliding off the bar stool and hitting the deck again. Finally I got up enough strength to speak. OK, where's this Eskimo woman I got to go kill?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Force Of Fate
Shows how much you know about astrology, Tom. Uranus belongs in the outhouse, and Pluto belongs in the dog house. Geez! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 8:28 PM, John jr_esq@... wrote: Penelope's chart is unique and no other person can duplicate it. This applies to everyone in this planet. The gifts of nature are different for everyone. For example, Bill Gates has a chart for making billions of dollars in the computer industry. Le, le. We've been thru this bullshit already. Because so and so has Pluto in the outhouse, Obama is president of the U.S.Explains a lot. Except that 1,000,000 other people also have Pluto in the outhouse. And it's always in retrospect. Lincoln had this, that and that. Therefore he'll be the worse president the US has ever had. responsible for seemingly endless needless deaths to benefit the North economically in the War of Northern Aggression. Take a science course. Even go so far as to take a math or worse yet, a statistics course.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations. You have realized enlightenment. Now leave.
Saying all of this, I apologize in advance to those to whom I have given offense in the past by challenging *their* claims of having realized the Big E. I may not have believed your claims at the time, and may in fact not believe them now, but I *do* respect you having gone public with them. As does Rick, or he wouldn't be doing his BATGAP series. Thanks dude. I appreciated the challenge(s) too though (strictly in hindsight, of course) - grew a lot as a result. I have one thing in common with you, in that I don't believe my claims either. It is just my experience, and I can't argue with it, much as I have done my damnedest to destroy my ongoing experience(!). Anyway, that is water, or if you prefer, champagne, under the bridge. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Mind-segueing from my previous cafe rap, I find my self realizing that an even better measure of where the rubber meets the road in a spiritual organization might be how it treats those who have realized its goal, and dare to say so. I submit that this is an interesting topic, Robin and others who have dared to say so being among us. How were they treated by the organization that had promised enlightenment to its followers (not to mention...uh...financial supporters) for many decades? Was their attainment of the goal celebrated and their testimony added to the WhyYouShouldLearnTM.com Web page? Or were they instantly marginalized and/or ostracized? It's an interesting question, isn't it? Those of you who have dared to say so, either on this forum or within the cloistered halls of the TM movement, do you care to comment? How were you treated? Those of you who never mentioned your personal realization within those same cloistered halls, but only on forums such as this one, why did you make that choice? What did you expect would be the response from within the cloistered halls to your proclamation, that prevented you from making it? Honestly curious, and I will do my best to avoid any samskaras that tempt me to poke fun where it might be misinterpreted in response. I really don't know, because although I have experienced the occasional period of time spent in enlightened (or, at the very least, not ordinary) states of consciousness, I was never tempted to go public with them, and thus never had to risk the potential wrath of the public. Saying all of this, I apologize in advance to those to whom I have given offense in the past by challenging *their* claims of having realized the Big E. I may not have believed your claims at the time, and may in fact not believe them now, but I *do* respect you having gone public with them. As does Rick, or he wouldn't be doing his BATGAP series. I guess my point in this cafe rap -- if I have one, other than just to rap -- is What was that decision to 'go public' LIKE for you? Did you feel some reticence in doing so? If so, WHY did you feel that reticence? It's an interesting question, n'est-ce pas?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count
And we could make it a warning for first offense, if it's within 5 of the limit... On Jul 29, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Mark Landau wrote: Awww, let's make the limit 55. I always liked those master numbers... And doesn't that resonate with something to do with driving? On Jul 29, 2011, at 6:16 PM, FFL PostCount wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jul 23 00:00:00 2011 End Date (UTC): Sat Jul 30 00:00:00 2011 888 messages as of (UTC) Fri Jul 29 23:52:53 2011 54 Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net 53 authfriend jst...@panix.com 50 whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com 50 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com 50 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 48 Mark Landau m...@sky5.com 44 Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net 39 Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 38 Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com 35 richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com 31 curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com 30 obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com 29 Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com 28 Tom Pall thomas.p...@gmail.com 24 sparaig lengli...@cox.net 23 RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com 22 emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com 21 John jr_...@yahoo.com 19 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 18 Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com 18 Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com 17 Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com 13 Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com 13 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com 12 tedadams108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 12 maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com 11 wayback71 waybac...@yahoo.com 11 Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com 9 wgm4u wg...@yahoo.com 7 at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brah...@sbcglobal.net 6 seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net 6 Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com 5 fflmod ffl...@yahoo.com 5 PaliGap compost...@yahoo.co.uk 4 raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com 3 wle...@aol.com 3 Robert babajii...@yahoo.com 2 wvosteen monr...@monroe-electronics.com 2 shukra69 shukr...@yahoo.ca 2 noah waybac...@yahoo.com 2 merlin vedamer...@yahoo.de 2 johnt johnlasher20002...@yahoo.com 2 azgrey no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 Joe geezerfr...@yahoo.com 2 J jb...@hotmail.com 2 Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com 1 ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 richardnelson108 richardnelson...@yahoo.com 1 martyboi marty...@yahoo.com 1 eustace10679 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 Jean jeanjes...@q.com 1 Declan Fitzmaurice declan.fitzmaur...@yahoo.com 1 David fiskeda...@hotmail.com Posters: 54 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Three Gunas as Vedic Gods
You are of course entitled to your own viewpoint. As whether rakshasas or devas are simple psychological projections or not, I could not say. I have certainly experienced them as real and very powerful entities which are, however, on closer look ultimately projections of the Self, or of Us, as is everything. And I do enjoy indulging in reducing everything to the Self, or to IS-ness or Reality. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: This psychologizes chö (d) and is a way to dismiss it as merely a method to devalue our internal fodder. Chö means cutting; it is a Buddhist Tantric method for severing our human psyche from abhaya- which is primal dread or the tremendum. Rakshasa-s/demons are not simple psychological projections and neither are deva-s. To dismiss them on such grounds is to indulge in reductionism. \ ... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: IME rakshasas or demons are simply our own so-called bad children spurned, as the devatas or angels are our own so-called good children approved. All of this is nothing other than the chod or demon-feeding technique Vaj has occasionally spoken of here,
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Three Gunas as Vedic Gods
Exactly so, Jim! You may speak for me anytime :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: I think the key lies in how Rory defines himself; as an all inclusive entity. Psychological has nothing to do with it. He is making the point (if you don't mind me speaking up for you Rory...heh heh) that the world as it is assembled is essentially what we make it. There is nothing in the world truly external, or unreachable, for us. It is all us, an inclusive environment which we take in, both divine and demonic, with an open heart. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: This psychologizes chö (d) and is a way to dismiss it as merely a method to devalue our internal fodder. Chö means cutting; it is a Buddhist Tantric method for severing our human psyche from abhaya- which is primal dread or the tremendum. Rakshasa-s/demons are not simple psychological projections and neither are deva-s. To dismiss them on such grounds is to indulge in reductionism. \ ... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: IME rakshasas or demons are simply our own so-called bad children spurned, as the devatas or angels are our own so-called good children approved. All of this is nothing other than the chod or demon-feeding technique Vaj has occasionally spoken of here,
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Three Gunas as Vedic Gods
I do enjoy indulging in reducing everything to the Self, or to IS-ness or Reality. How dare you!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: You are of course entitled to your own viewpoint. As whether rakshasas or devas are simple psychological projections or not, I could not say. I have certainly experienced them as real and very powerful entities which are, however, on closer look ultimately projections of the Self, or of Us, as is everything. And I do enjoy indulging in reducing everything to the Self, or to IS-ness or Reality. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: This psychologizes chö (d) and is a way to dismiss it as merely a method to devalue our internal fodder. Chö means cutting; it is a Buddhist Tantric method for severing our human psyche from abhaya- which is primal dread or the tremendum. Rakshasa-s/demons are not simple psychological projections and neither are deva-s. To dismiss them on such grounds is to indulge in reductionism. \ ... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: IME rakshasas or demons are simply our own so-called bad children spurned, as the devatas or angels are our own so-called good children approved. All of this is nothing other than the chod or demon-feeding technique Vaj has occasionally spoken of here,
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Three Gunas as Vedic Gods
OK, yet I ask humbly for your dispensation that I be regarded as several iota larger than an I-particle. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: Exactly so, Jim! You may speak for me anytime :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I think the key lies in how Rory defines himself; as an all inclusive entity. Psychological has nothing to do with it. He is making the point (if you don't mind me speaking up for you Rory...heh heh) that the world as it is assembled is essentially what we make it. There is nothing in the world truly external, or unreachable, for us. It is all us, an inclusive environment which we take in, both divine and demonic, with an open heart. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: This psychologizes chö (d) and is a way to dismiss it as merely a method to devalue our internal fodder. Chö means cutting; it is a Buddhist Tantric method for severing our human psyche from abhaya- which is primal dread or the tremendum. Rakshasa-s/demons are not simple psychological projections and neither are deva-s. To dismiss them on such grounds is to indulge in reductionism. \ ... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: IME rakshasas or demons are simply our own so-called bad children spurned, as the devatas or angels are our own so-called good children approved. All of this is nothing other than the chod or demon-feeding technique Vaj has occasionally spoken of here,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count
On Jul 29, 2011, at 8:23 PM, Mark Landau wrote: Awww, let's make the limit 55. I always liked those master numbers... And doesn't that resonate with something to do with driving? I deleted a bunch of messages - but it won't matter when I do it.
[FairfieldLife] For Nablusos, my warped sense of humor - Enjoy!
PARAPROSDOKIAN SENTENCES TO ENJOY A paraprosdokian (from Greek #960;#945;#961;#945;-, meaning beyond and #960;#961;#959;#963;#948;#959;#954;#943;#945;, meaning expectation) is a figure of speech in which the latter part of a sentence or phrase is surprising or unexpected in a way that causes the reader or listener to reframe or reinterpret the first part. It is frequently used for humorous or dramatic effect, sometimes producing an anticlimax. Some examples: Ø I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness. ØDo not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. ØI want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my grandfather. Not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car. ØGoing to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. ØThe last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list. ØLight travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. ØIf I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong. ØWe never really grow up; we only learn how to act in public. ØWar does not determine who is right -- only who is left. ØKnowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad. ØThe early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. ØEvening news is where they begin with 'Good evening,' and then proceed to tell you why it isn't. ØTo steal ideas from one person is plagiarism. To steal from many is research. ØA bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. My desk is a work station. ØHow is it one careless match can start a forest fire, but it takes a whole box to start a campfire? ØSome people are like Slinkies . not really good for anything, but you can't help smiling when you see one tumble down the stairs. ØDolphins are so smart that within a few weeks of captivity, they can train people to stand on the very edge of the pool and throw them fish. Ø I thought I wanted a career; turns out I just wanted pay checks. ØA bank is a place that will lend you money if you can prove that you don't need it. ØWhenever I fill out an application, in the part that says If an emergency, notify: I put DOCTOR. ØI didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you. ØI saw a woman wearing a sweat shirt with Guess on it... So I said Implants? ØWhy does someone believe you when you say there are four billion stars, but check when you say the paint is wet? ØWomen will never be equal to men until they can walk down the street with a bald head and a beer gut and still think they are sexy. ØWhy do Americans choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America ? ØBehind every successful man is his woman. Behind the fall of a successful man is usually another woman. ØA clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory. ØYou do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice. ØThe voices in my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas! ØAlways borrow money from a pessimist. He won't expect it back. ØA diplomat is someone who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that you will look forward to the trip. ØHospitality: making your guests feel like they're at home, even if you wish they were. ØMoney can't buy happiness, but it sure makes misery easier to live with. ØI discovered I scream the same way whether I'm about to be devoured by a great white shark or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot. ØSome cause happiness wherever they go. Others whenever they go. ØThere's a fine line between cuddling and holding someone down so they can't get away. ØI used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure. Ø I always take life with a grain of salt... plus a slice of lemon... and a shot of tequila. ØWhen tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water. ØYou're never too old to learn something stupid. ØTo be sure of hitting the target, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target. ØNostalgia isn't what it used to be. ØA bus is a vehicle that runs twice as fast when you are after it as when you are in it. ØIf you are supposed to learn from your mistakes, why do some people have more than one child? ØChange is inevitable, except from a vending machine.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations. You have realized enlightenment. Now leave.
On Jul 29, 2011, at 8:55 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: Thanks dude. I appreciated the challenge(s) too though (strictly in hindsight, of course) - grew a lot as a result. I have one thing in common with you, in that I don't believe my claims either. It is just my experience, and I can't argue with it, much as I have done my damnedest to destroy my ongoing experience(!). Anyway, that is water, or if you prefer, champagne, under the bridge. Please continue growing and then get back to us - or your local 12-step group - your choice.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
Hope springs eternal! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 29, 2011, at 8:23 PM, Mark Landau wrote: Awww, let's make the limit 55. I always liked those master numbers... And doesn't that resonate with something to do with driving? I deleted a bunch of messages - but it won't matter when I do it.
