[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote:   Hey Vaj, the Buddha boy. Atleast tell Robin which year you did your TTC. You seem to be more keen to bullshit with him than tell him certain basic facts about your association with TM.    From: maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 12:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula Robin: It is the very same with Transcendental Meditation, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and your status as a former TM initiator. Vaj: These types of disconnects we call non sequiturs (note: this is different from a Steinian non sequitur, which is when a person cannot understand an implication, often due to not adhering the linear laws of Flatland). Robin2: Chieftain Iffucan of Azcan in caftan/ Of tan and henna hackles, halt!/ Damned universal cock, as if the sun/ Was blackamoor to bear your blazing tail./ Fat! Fat! Fat! Fat! I am the personal./ Your world is you. I am my world./ You ten-foot poet among inchlings. Fat!/ Begone! An inchling bristles in these pines,/ Bristles, and points their Appalachian tangs,/ And fears not portly Azcan nor his hoos. [WS] Robin: But more than this, Vaj: you cannot even summon up the bluff and bravado and appropriate subjective responseâthat defines us as human beingsâin the face of these challenges to the veracity of your claims. You don't even defend yourself. This is telling. [But this no-defence is itself no defence: don't pull the supreme disinterestedness argument here, Vaj: you would be a total idiot to do this. But if you must, go ahead. You can tell me you are Guru Dev's grandson, and I would have to assign to this claim the same status as I would if you claim you are not defending yourself here because of some imperturbable state of spiritual equilibrium.] Vaj doesn't seem to realize, that for about 99 percent of human beans, for instance advaitic meditation techniques are as useless as, say, reading Kaama-suutra is for e.g. kindergarten kids...LoL!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 12, 2011, at 8:10 PM, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: The current successor wasn't even at the ashram when SBS died, He was studying with another guru. Smart man. It's never good to be attached. My point was simply that anything he had to say about MMY's involvement with whatever went on during/after SBS's death was based on hearsay. He wasn't there. In fact, I could make a case that a substantial portion of the rank and file monks AT the ashram accepted the will because without THEIR support, there never would have been a controversy. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
I wonder what would work for those 99% then? Osho Rajneesh wrote about dozens of techniques giving the sadaka the option to choose what suits him. Maharishi didn't give people that variety. In the long run that hurt the people who were in the TM mov't. I think this uni-dimensional monochrome approach of Maharishi really pissed off Vaj. From: cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 1:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula Vaj doesn't seem to realize, that for about 99 percent of human beans, for instance advaitic meditation techniques are as useless as, say, reading Kaama-suutra is for e.g. kindergarten kids...LoL! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote:   Hey Vaj, the Buddha boy. Atleast tell Robin which year you did your TTC. You seem to be more keen to bullshit with him than tell him certain basic facts about your association with TM.    From: maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 12:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula Robin: It is the very same with Transcendental Meditation, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and your status as a former TM initiator. Vaj: These types of disconnects we call non sequiturs (note: this is different from a Steinian non sequitur, which is when a person cannot understand an implication, often due to not adhering the linear laws of Flatland). Robin2: Chieftain Iffucan of Azcan in caftan/ Of tan and henna hackles, halt!/ Damned universal cock, as if the sun/ Was blackamoor to bear your blazing tail./ Fat! Fat! Fat! Fat! I am the personal./ Your world is you. I am my world./ You ten-foot poet among inchlings. Fat!/ Begone! An inchling bristles in these pines,/ Bristles, and points their Appalachian tangs,/ And fears not portly Azcan nor his hoos. [WS] Robin: But more than this, Vaj: you cannot even summon up the bluff and bravado and appropriate subjective responseâ€that defines us as human beingsâ€in the face of these challenges to the veracity of your claims. You don't even defend yourself. This is telling. [But this no-defence is itself no defence: don't pull the supreme disinterestedness argument here, Vaj: you would be a total idiot to do this. But if you must, go ahead. You can tell me you are Guru Dev's grandson, and I would have to assign to this claim the same status as I would if you claim you are not defending yourself here because of some imperturbable state of spiritual equilibrium.]
[FairfieldLife] Secret Codes + Hidden Messages of Xmas - this Saturday Hollywood Special Event
TWO SHOWS ONLY DEC. 17th in HOLLYWOOD Radio host Eben Rey hosts a Yuletide conspiracy-fest with screening of rare doc. The Pharmacratic Inquisition which reveals the cryptic symbols in your holiday tapestry. Cabaret Voltaire hosts the very timely event Secret Codes + Hidden Message of Christmas and will be featuring the documentary film The Pharmacratic Inquisition directed by Jan Irvin (with Mr. Irvin in attendance). The film will examine the Astrological interrelationship between the story of Jesus Christ and Winter Solstice (December 21st), the secret symbolism that can be found in the Catholic Church and the connection between St. Nick and Psychedelia. The event emcee will be the queen of late-night So-Cal alternative theories, radio host Eben Rey. Discussion - Q A with filmmaker Jan Irvin will follow + special guests. What: The Secret Codes + Hidden Messages of Christmas When: Saturday, December 17th, 5:30 pm and 7:45 pm Where: 1625 N. Las Palmas Ave., Hollywood, CA 90028 Tickets: http://secretcodeschristmas.eventbrite.com Info: Call 323-306-0676 or contact qu...@cabaretvoltaire.org Cabaret Voltaire, is an entertainment and media services company whose focus is on intelligent, thought provoking films, television projects and live lecture events. Since 1916, Cabaret Voltaire has proudly wreaked havoc across numerous continents and kibbutzs. Events have been recommended by LA Times, LA Weekly, ABC, CBS, FOX,
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome meeting with Maharaja-ji
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Yes, it is really quite incredible that these TM Rajas should even be going against Guru Dev's very certain spiritual advice to make use of our time on earth particularly by being with saints. Oh Please! They are not going against Guru Dev, they are trying to follow the guidelines set up by Maharishi himself long ago. Now, leave Guru Dev out of this, we don't know what he would have said. MMY was entirely clear about all of this and never ever budged from his position. Maharishi was clear, at times. This policy, I know, has consolitated during the final period of his life, but it wasn't always the same. And Maharishi could make exceptions to this rule, as I already said, for example in Lelystad. I don't blame you if you don't know that, but he did budge from his position. But in setting up 'rules', he would have to teach the administration, and usually was strong about it, I agree. The Rajas have to decide to make changes that MMY never did He did. The rules before were different (for example before the Muktananda event), and he would make exceptions himself. Now, maybe Maharishi would have changed this rule by now, but don't blame the Rajas or anyone else. This rule came from Maharishi and he was BLUNT about it. I am sure he was blunt to the administration. Yet, as you say yourself, it may be time for a change. The Rajas had no problem skipping the always-wear-a-crown thing, or inviting Beatles back, and even more so, use them for publicity, something unthinkable when Maharishi was still alive. And they even loosened the saints rule a bit, don't forget, but what I suggest is, keep these changes logical and transparent. What is illogical? There is a common belief in India, that once you have found your Guru, you don't need anybody else, right? We have Maharishi, we don't need Ammachi (or whoever), thats what you would hear in private conversations. That is to say, a Guru-Disciple relationship is assumed. The problem here is, that the TM movement is not at all upfront that this is the case. They are not telling, that Maharishi is our guru, but he is supposed only to be the founder of TM, at least publicly. Now, hence the confusion. Now, with regard to Maharishi being 'Guru', if he is a Guru to the TM people involved, to what people exactly? All TM teachers? Also TM teachers who are not really teachers anymore? And: Do they know this? Next: if we assume, that Maharishi is a guru to the people, which is not publicly said, it would be still possible, that people see different saints, as long as they don't take teaching from them, or rather as long as they don't become their disciples *simultaneausly*. There is an example often cited within TM, referring to Guru Dev, not seeing another saint or speaker, who comes to town, while all the Gurubhais go there. He stays in the Ashram, as his heart is completely filled with his master. Now a guest comes, nobody is in the Ashram to receive him, except Guru Dev, taking care of him, and finally the master finds out about the story, and viola, GD is just the most dedicated and devoted disciple. When citing this story, to TM teachers or sidhas, they usually forget to say: GD was having a relationship with his master that was personal throughout, he lived with him, he watched him daily, and he lived in his vibration. He had a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP to his master. But most people concerned from these policies, may even never have seen Maharishi, or any enlightened at all! That is what Buck is pointing out completely rightly: GD says it is very important to seek the company of saints! But, not being able to see Maharishi anymore, or even ever, the people are deprived from this. And then: in the example cited above, GD was so devoted that he stayed in the Ashram, while all others saw the saint/speaker. Do you notice two things? There was NO RULE in the Ashram to not see other saints, they did so with permission. And second, when GD stayed, he did so OUT OF HIS OWN WILL, out of his spontaneous devotion, not an IMPOSED SHOW OF DEVOTION. Two elements are present here: sponatneity of devotion, and I think that is the only devotion worth considering, and a real and lively guru-disciple relationship. Now, consider yourself: is this the case in TM? Obviously not for most people, obviously less so for more and more people since Maharishi withdrew in Holland, and since time passes ofter his demiss. There will come a time, not too far away,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome meeting with Maharaja-ji
The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Course at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers, rising to 2500, in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Yes, it is really quite incredible that these TM Rajas should even be going against Guru Dev's very certain spiritual advice to make use of our time on earth particularly by being with saints. Oh Please! They are not going against Guru Dev, they are trying to follow the guidelines set up by Maharishi himself long ago. Now, leave Guru Dev out of this, we don't know what he would have said. MMY was entirely clear about all of this and never ever budged from his position. Maharishi was clear, at times. This policy, I know, has consolitated during the final period of his life, but it wasn't always the same. And Maharishi could make exceptions to this rule, as I already said, for example in Lelystad. I don't blame you if you don't know that, but he did budge from his position. But in setting up 'rules', he would have to teach the administration, and usually was strong about it, I agree. The Rajas have to decide to make changes that MMY never did He did. The rules before were different (for example before the Muktananda event), and he would make exceptions himself. Now, maybe Maharishi would have changed this rule by now, but don't blame the Rajas or anyone else. This rule came from Maharishi and he was BLUNT about it. I am sure he was blunt to the administration. Yet, as you say yourself, it may be time for a change. The Rajas had no problem skipping the always-wear-a-crown thing, or inviting Beatles back, and even more so, use them for publicity, something unthinkable when Maharishi was still alive. And they even loosened the saints rule a bit, don't forget, but what I suggest is, keep these changes logical and transparent. What is illogical? There is a common belief in India, that once you have found your Guru, you don't need anybody else, right? We have Maharishi, we don't need Ammachi (or whoever), thats what you would hear in private conversations. That is to say, a Guru-Disciple relationship is assumed. The problem here is, that the TM movement is not at all upfront that this is the case. They are not telling, that Maharishi is our guru, but he is supposed only to be the founder of TM, at least publicly. Now, hence the confusion. Now, with regard to Maharishi being 'Guru', if he is a Guru to the TM people involved, to what people exactly? All TM teachers? Also TM teachers who are not really teachers anymore? And: Do they know this? Next: if we assume, that Maharishi is a guru to the people, which is not publicly said, it would be still possible, that people see different saints, as long as they don't take teaching from them, or rather as long as they don't become their disciples *simultaneausly*. There is an example often cited within TM, referring to Guru Dev, not seeing another saint or speaker, who comes to town, while all the Gurubhais go there. He stays in the Ashram, as his heart is completely filled with his master. Now a guest comes, nobody is in the Ashram to receive him, except Guru Dev, taking care of him, and finally the master finds out about the story, and viola, GD is just the most dedicated and devoted disciple. When citing this story, to TM teachers or sidhas, they usually forget to say: GD was having a relationship with his master that was personal throughout, he lived with him, he watched him daily, and he lived in his vibration. He had a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP to his master. But most people concerned from these policies, may even never have seen Maharishi, or any enlightened at all! That is what Buck is pointing out completely rightly: GD says it is very important to seek the company of saints! But, not being able to see Maharishi anymore, or even ever, the people are deprived from this. And then: in the example cited above, GD was so devoted that he stayed in the Ashram, while all others saw the saint/speaker. Do you notice two things? There was NO RULE in the Ashram to not see other saints, they did so with permission. And second, when GD stayed, he did so OUT OF HIS OWN WILL, out of his spontaneous devotion, not an IMPOSED SHOW OF DEVOTION. Two elements are present here: sponatneity of devotion, and I think that is the only devotion worth considering, and a real and lively guru-disciple relationship. Now, consider yourself: is this the case in TM? Obviously not for most people, obviously less
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome meeting with Maharaja-ji
These TM Rajas, that large Prime Minister in particular, push people to lie, hide and kiss ass to stay in the domes. I interviewed a person recently who was on the Mother Divine program, she remarked that to survive on Mother Divine they would all lie, hide and kiss-ass about this. In people's life the TM anti-saint policy is quite without conscience for people to participate. The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Course at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers, rising to 2500, in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Yes, it is really quite incredible that these TM Rajas should even be going against Guru Dev's very certain spiritual advice to make use of our time on earth particularly by being with saints. Oh Please! They are not going against Guru Dev, they are trying to follow the guidelines set up by Maharishi himself long ago. Now, leave Guru Dev out of this, we don't know what he would have said. MMY was entirely clear about all of this and never ever budged from his position. Maharishi was clear, at times. This policy, I know, has consolitated during the final period of his life, but it wasn't always the same. And Maharishi could make exceptions to this rule, as I already said, for example in Lelystad. I don't blame you if you don't know that, but he did budge from his position. But in setting up 'rules', he would have to teach the administration, and usually was strong about it, I agree. The Rajas have to decide to make changes that MMY never did He did. The rules before were different (for example before the Muktananda event), and he would make exceptions himself. Now, maybe Maharishi would have changed this rule by now, but don't blame the Rajas or anyone else. This rule came from Maharishi and he was BLUNT about it. I am sure he was blunt to the administration. Yet, as you say yourself, it may be time for a change. The Rajas had no problem skipping the always-wear-a-crown thing, or inviting Beatles back, and even more so, use them for publicity, something unthinkable when Maharishi was still alive. And they even loosened the saints rule a bit, don't forget, but what I suggest is, keep these changes logical and transparent. What is illogical? There is a common belief in India, that once you have found your Guru, you don't need anybody else, right? We have Maharishi, we don't need Ammachi (or whoever), thats what you would hear in private conversations. That is to say, a Guru-Disciple relationship is assumed. The problem here is, that the TM movement is not at all upfront that this is the case. They are not telling, that Maharishi is our guru, but he is supposed only to be the founder of TM, at least publicly. Now, hence the confusion. Now, with regard to Maharishi being 'Guru', if he is a Guru to the TM people involved, to what people exactly? All TM teachers? Also TM teachers who are not really teachers anymore? And: Do they know this? Next: if we assume, that Maharishi is a guru to the people, which is not publicly said, it would be still possible, that people see different saints, as long as they don't take teaching from them, or rather as long as they don't become their disciples *simultaneausly*. There is an example often cited within TM, referring to Guru Dev, not seeing another saint or speaker, who comes to town, while all the Gurubhais go there. He stays in the Ashram, as his heart is completely filled with his master. Now a guest comes, nobody is in the Ashram to receive him, except Guru Dev, taking care of him, and finally the master finds out about the story, and viola, GD is just the most dedicated and devoted disciple. When citing this story, to TM teachers or sidhas, they usually forget to say: GD was having a relationship with his master that was personal throughout, he lived with him, he watched him daily, and he lived in his vibration. He had a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP to his master. But most people concerned from these policies, may even never have seen Maharishi, or any enlightened at all! That is what Buck is pointing out completely rightly: GD says it is very important to seek the company of saints! But, not being able to see Maharishi anymore, or even ever, the people are deprived from this. And then: in the example cited above, GD was so devoted that he stayed in the Ashram, while all others saw the saint/speaker. Do you
[FairfieldLife] Luck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 12/12/2011 03:16 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Monday mornings are usually light for me work-wise, so I take advantage of it to catch up on episodes of both Dexter and Homeland, which have downloaded overnight. I did so this morning. First I watched Dex (a total head case himself) dealing with Travis (Colin Hanks, playing even more of a head case, because unlike Dex he doesn't know he's one). Then I watched the latest episode of Homeland, in which we finally get to see what Carrie (Claire Danes, the talented but bipolar heroine of the series) is like when she is off her meds. Both were chilling. Yup, both good episodes. On HBO following the season finale of Boardwalk Empire they showed the pilot of David Milch's Luck which begins airing at the end of January. Thank you, thank you for mentioning this. I'm down- loading it now, and will let you know what I think after I've seen it. I'm a total David Milch freak, so I suspect I'll like it. Because I said I'd follow up, I will. :-) I will be watching this one, *not* because I've ever been drawn to horse racing or, for that matter, betting in general, but because it appears that it's David Milch doing again what he is best at. That is, 1) creating total, immersive environments that completely capture the look and feel of a culture or subculture, 2) staffing these environments with a large cast of characters (in the sense of Man, is that person a *character*!), and 3) capturing the peculiar language of the environment and finding ways to tell a story using that language. Luck seems to have all those ingredients, plus the additional talents of Michael Mann as producer and sometimes director. I get the feeling that a lot of the tremendous cinematography in the pilot was Mann's doing, as was the tight integration of music. Dream cast: Tom Payne, Dustin Hoffman, Nick Nolte, John Ortiz, Kevin Dunn, Dennis Farina, Jason Gedrick, Ian Hart (loved his victory dance), Michael Gambon, Jurgen Prochnow, and many others. It has the potential to be as large and as varied a cast as Deadwood. A lot of the critical comments focus on what the reviewers found most difficult in watching it -- the arcane language of horse racing, and their inability to follow it. I had no such trouble. Pretty much everything was clear to me from the get-go; maybe I spent past incarnations at the track. :-) But, as with Deadwood, god is in the details. Who would have guessed that a jockey talking about how cool the horse he's riding could be a major taboo, one that could end your career? (Because betters might overhear, which would affect the odds.) Dennis Farina is as good as he always is, and his humility provides the perfect foil for Dustin Hoffman's rage and egomaniacal one-pointed quest for revenge. Nick Nolte is great so far, too, as The Old Man who has a (dare I say it?) track record of picking peaches (horses who are going to be great, potential Derby winners). In the pilot, however, I'm most taken with the group of four addicts (and addict is the right word for a compulsive gambler, as Milch, himself a former heroin junkie, would understand) who band together to play Pick Six. One is tempted to think of them as losers...except when they win. But even then they might lose, as their darker, more addicted-to-gambling side comes out. I think Jason Gedrick's character is going to be someone to watch. But all of this is just low-level stuff. One gets the feeling that the real meat of the show is going to revolve around high-level, multi-million-dollar deals orchestrated by Dustin Hoffman, all in the name of gaining his revenge on those who done him wrong. Anyway, thanks again for the tip. I wasn't expecting the series until January, so it's great to get an advance preview. Now if someone would only greenlight Joss Whedon's much-talked-about-but-never-realized series Goners.
[FairfieldLife] Rajah's conflict with Saints
And who teaches this course at MUM? The Rajahs in drag who can't defuse conflict in their own backyard or Maharajah Nader Ram in his clown suit. From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome meeting with Maharaja-ji The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Course at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers, rising to 2500, in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Luck
Who would have guessed that a jockey talking about how cool the horse he's riding could be a major taboo, one that could end your career? It's true, I don't never ever talk that way about my horses to nobody. If the wrong person really knew how good mine are they'd be stole right out of the paddock from me the next night. -Buck https://sites.google.com/site/trailridingicelandichorses/home/shepherding-sheep --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 12/12/2011 03:16 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Monday mornings are usually light for me work-wise, so I take advantage of it to catch up on episodes of both Dexter and Homeland, which have downloaded overnight. I did so this morning. First I watched Dex (a total head case himself) dealing with Travis (Colin Hanks, playing even more of a head case, because unlike Dex he doesn't know he's one). Then I watched the latest episode of Homeland, in which we finally get to see what Carrie (Claire Danes, the talented but bipolar heroine of the series) is like when she is off her meds. Both were chilling. Yup, both good episodes. On HBO following the season finale of Boardwalk Empire they showed the pilot of David Milch's Luck which begins airing at the end of January. Thank you, thank you for mentioning this. I'm down- loading it now, and will let you know what I think after I've seen it. I'm a total David Milch freak, so I suspect I'll like it. Because I said I'd follow up, I will. :-) I will be watching this one, *not* because I've ever been drawn to horse racing or, for that matter, betting in general, but because it appears that it's David Milch doing again what he is best at. That is, 1) creating total, immersive environments that completely capture the look and feel of a culture or subculture, 2) staffing these environments with a large cast of characters (in the sense of Man, is that person a *character*!), and 3) capturing the peculiar language of the environment and finding ways to tell a story using that language. Luck seems to have all those ingredients, plus the additional talents of Michael Mann as producer and sometimes director. I get the feeling that a lot of the tremendous cinematography in the pilot was Mann's doing, as was the tight integration of music. Dream cast: Tom Payne, Dustin Hoffman, Nick Nolte, John Ortiz, Kevin Dunn, Dennis Farina, Jason Gedrick, Ian Hart (loved his victory dance), Michael Gambon, Jurgen Prochnow, and many others. It has the potential to be as large and as varied a cast as Deadwood. A lot of the critical comments focus on what the reviewers found most difficult in watching it -- the arcane language of horse racing, and their inability to follow it. I had no such trouble. Pretty much everything was clear to me from the get-go; maybe I spent past incarnations at the track. :-) But, as with Deadwood, god is in the details. Who would have guessed that a jockey talking about how cool the horse he's riding could be a major taboo, one that could end your career? (Because betters might overhear, which would affect the odds.) Dennis Farina is as good as he always is, and his humility provides the perfect foil for Dustin Hoffman's rage and egomaniacal one-pointed quest for revenge. Nick Nolte is great so far, too, as The Old Man who has a (dare I say it?) track record of picking peaches (horses who are going to be great, potential Derby winners). In the pilot, however, I'm most taken with the group of four addicts (and addict is the right word for a compulsive gambler, as Milch, himself a former heroin junkie, would understand) who band together to play Pick Six. One is tempted to think of them as losers...except when they win. But even then they might lose, as their darker, more addicted-to-gambling side comes out. I think Jason Gedrick's character is going to be someone to watch. But all of this is just low-level stuff. One gets the feeling that the real meat of the show is going to revolve around high-level, multi-million-dollar deals orchestrated by Dustin Hoffman, all in the name of gaining his revenge on those who done him wrong. Anyway, thanks again for the tip. I wasn't expecting the series until January, so it's great to get an advance preview. Now if someone would only greenlight Joss Whedon's much-talked-about-but-never-realized series Goners.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rajah's conflict with Saints
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: And who teaches this course at MUM? The Rajahs in drag who can't defuse conflict in their own backyard or Maharajah Nader Ram in his clown suit. From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome meeting with Maharaja-ji The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Course at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers, rising to 2500, in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. It is more closely under Bevan. It is administrated under MUM, Bevan is President of the U. and he attends to the experience sessions during the schedule. It is not so directly under Hagelin at all this way. It is more the purview of Bevan Prime Minister President and the Birx as administrators. It is held in a tight fist by them. Hagelin and his people can't really do nothing without bringing them along. It is very political. It is the vestige of the TM-taliban this way.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sometimes crazy wisdom is just crazy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Gotta laugh at that right off the bat, zarzari. The Wikipedia article begins: Love bombing is the deliberate show of affection or friendship by an individual or a group of people toward another individual. Critics have asserted that this action may be motivated in part by the desire to recruit, convert or otherwise influence. Haha, very funny. That's the first time I am accused fo doing something like love bombing, and I see your point. But, even if I disagree at times, I can simply appreciate and agree with what others have said here before. I wouldn't say the same thing to others. Now have another look at your first paragraph. I'm sure the irony was inadvertent, but it really is pretty funny. Yes In any case, thanks for the kind words. I found the rest of your post rather amusing as well. I know you mean well, but you're just WAY off target. As far as Ravi is concerned, I'm very fond of him but not *remotely* in love with him, not even on the level of a crush. Well I'm happy to hear that. Actually, most of what I wrote then is off target with you, but it maybe on target with someone else here. I probably got mixed up here, since I don't follow all the treads, and I also get confused with names, real and screen names, but just before I wrote this, kind of free and unprepared, I just had read another rather long letter by maskedzebra (Robin?), and probably my whole spin was an that. So sorry, it hit the wrong person, but again you are the right one, as you have enough distance yourself to understand the issue. I just saw too many females having a crush on their respective gurus, which always led to big melodramas. Nor do I for a nanosecond consider him to be my guru. I'm not in the market for one, and if I were, he wouldn't be a candidate. I do find him fascinating and perplexing. I don't believe, however, that I've ever expressed an opinion as to whether he is or isn't enlightened. I don't know and wouldn't care to take a guess. That issue doesn't really enter into my take on him. Okay, point taken. To be honest, I cannot know either. I feel very similarly about Robin, as it happens, if for different reasons considering how very different their personalities are. And I felt that way about both of them well before either had had occasion to make posts that were complimentary to me (which occurred before I'd ever complimented either of them). It's nice to be complimented, of course, and I appreciate their good opinions of me. But that doesn't have much if any effect on how I feel toward them, other than, you know, friendly. You may have missed my criticisms of Ravi for his attacks on raunchy and Alex, BTW. Yes, I did not really follow up. I can understand that this is luring, especially when one has been through very dry online discussions, with mostly men. Besides that, the whole culture in the TM movement isn't really geared toward the heart, so I can understand, if somebody comes, and touches you on a wholly differnt level, it is a kind of transcending itself. Yes, it is. In my case, however, it comes from Robin and Denise and obbajeeba and Bob Price and raunchy and Steve and even Alex, as well as others, not just Ravi. It's their interactions and emotional honesty that get to me. Yes, it's luring, but you seem to be putting a negative spin on those qualities which I don't think really belongs there. Non, not in this case. It is good if you get out of this very unwholesome rigit atmosphere that dominated here in the past. Again with regard to Ravi, I don't make any judgments about his state of consciousness. I'm just very dubious that behavior can ever tell you for sure one way or another. The fact that you've seen certain qualities (or their absence) in the enlightened folks you've known doesn't convince me that one can't be enlightened and have the opposite of those qualities (or their absence). I don't think enlightenment has a set of rules about how it manifests itself to other people; I strongly suspect just about anything goes. Well yes - and no. I answered this in another post. While I acknowledge that principally, in practical life, we have to take a stand, anyway it will happen, und you will have 'beliefs' about certain persons. While I agree that there is no fixed rule, I believe that there are differences to the others, that show somehow. And then, I have my preferences, it's as simple as that. snip
[FairfieldLife] Santa's Reindeer
[http://www.pugman.com/Pug%20Information/Reindeer%20Christmas.gif] According to the Alaska Department of Fish and Game,while both male and female reindeer grow antlers in thesummer each year, male reindeer drop their antlers atthe beginning of winter, usually late November tomid-December. Female reindeer retain their antlerstill after they give birth in the spring. Therefore,according to EVERY historical rendition depicting Santa's reindeer, EVERY single one of them, from Rudolphto Blitzen, had to be a girl. We should've known... ONLYwomen would be able to drag a fat-ass man in a redvelvet suit all around the world in one night and notget lost.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
God is a concept by which we measure our pain. John Lennon On Dec 12, 2011, at 10:55 PM, maskedzebra wrote: Life can educate one to belief in God. And experiences too are what bring this about; but I don't mean visions and other forms of sense experience which show us the 'existence of this being', but e.g. sufferings of various sorts. These neither show us God in the way a sense impression shows us an object, nor do they give rise to conjectures about him. Experiences, thoughts,—life can force this concept on us. Wittgenstein
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: God is a concept by which we measure our pain. - John Lennon And our gullibility. :-) [[evol-superstition.jpg]] On Dec 12, 2011, at 10:55 PM, maskedzebra wrote: Life can educate one to belief in God. And experiences too are what bring this about; but I don't mean visions and other forms of sense experience which show us the 'existence of this being', but e.g. sufferings of various sorts. These neither show us God in the way a sense impression shows us an object, nor do they give rise to conjectures about him. Experiences, thoughts,life can force this concept on us. Wittgenstein
[FairfieldLife] in memoriam, Eileen Squillo
...we remember eileen as a spirited, gifted person. she was inspired about life and music and singing! she had faith in its natural power to bring people together and build community! all the blessings of heaven to her! I just wanted to let you know Eileen made her transition to Higher Life today a couple of hours ago. Fr. James Viorol was at her bedside as was her husband Paul. Fr. James administered Extreme Unction and absolution. May Light Perpetual Shine upon her. Bishop William Downey some of the more recent people in Fairfield may not have known Eileen Campbell Squillo. She was a virtuoso mezzo-soprano, and did some wonderful singing with folks in meditating Fairfield back in the day.
[FairfieldLife] Portrait of a Saint
Quiet and simple, but not slovenly; most humble, without any meanness of spirit; noble and generous, grave and courteous, superior to all that is earthy, despising what is perishable, his gaze fixed on what will remain for ever unchanged, guiding himself in all things, great or small, by the most perfect standards; master of all his feelings, even in their first movements, and therefore showing externally and continuously that imperturbable peace in the midst of which his soul steadily shaped its course to the eternal shores. . . . one notes especially a prudence more than human, and a love of God, and of his neighbour for God, which consumed his heart with its seraphic and sweet fires. . . [His letters] show us a mind sure, vast, profound, comprehensive, fitted for speculation or action. In the management of men or affairs, he stands eminent among the foremost the world has known. His judgement was clear and solid, With sure vision he read the hearts of men, and detected accurately the twistings and turnings, the ins and outs, of their minds. He possessed a marvellous discretion in treating all characters, classes, and conditions. Mature deliberation, firmness of resolve, skill in counsel, compelling persuasion, vigorous execution, were his. He showed courage in facing difficult undertakings, and perseverance in carrying them through, constancy in supporting adversity, and resourcefulness ins surmounting obstacles. He was ready at all points, grasped all details, knew when to give way and when to insist, to yield or hold fast, as circumstances indicated, to show severity or mildness, condescension or determination, as the case required. There burned in him a zeal, active, ardent, indefatigable, always meditating enterprises, battles, and victories to spread the greater glory of God . . . And all this was united with an unalterable sweetness and gentleness, ennobled by a largeness of heart, which rose above all labours or success, beautified by that noble and delicate urbanity, characteristic of _ chivalry of his day, enlightened by supernatural illumination of heavenly wisdom. Anyone guess who this is?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Portrait of a Saint
On Dec 13, 2011, at 8:20 AM, maskedzebra wrote: Quiet and simple, but not slovenly; most humble, without any meanness of spirit; noble and generous, grave and courteous, superior to all that is earthy, despising what is perishable, his gaze fixed on what will remain for ever unchanged, guiding himself in all things, great or small, by the most perfect standards; master of all his feelings, even in their first movements, and therefore showing externally and continuously that imperturbable peace in the midst of which his soul steadily shaped its course to the eternal shores. . . . one notes especially a prudence more than human, and a love of God, and of his neighbour for God, which consumed his heart with its seraphic and sweet fires. . . [His letters] show us a mind sure, vast, profound, comprehensive, fitted for speculation or action. In the management of men or affairs, he stands eminent among the foremost the world has known. His judgement was clear and solid, With sure vision he read the hearts of men, and detected accurately the twistings and turnings, the ins and outs, of their minds. He possessed a marvellous discretion in treating all characters, classes, and conditions. Mature deliberation, firmness of resolve, skill in counsel, compelling persuasion, vigorous execution, were his. He showed courage in facing difficult undertakings, and perseverance in carrying them through, constancy in supporting adversity, and resourcefulness ins surmounting obstacles. He was ready at all points, grasped all details, knew when to give way and when to insist, to yield or hold fast, as circumstances indicated, to show severity or mildness, condescension or determination, as the case required. There burned in him a zeal, active, ardent, indefatigable, always meditating enterprises, battles, and victories to spread the greater glory of God . . . And all this was united with an unalterable sweetness and gentleness, ennobled by a largeness of heart, which rose above all labours or success, beautified by that noble and delicate urbanity, characteristic of _ chivalry of his day, enlightened by supernatural illumination of heavenly wisdom. Anyone guess who this is? Coach Sandusky?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portrait of a Saint
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 13, 2011, at 8:20 AM, maskedzebra wrote: Quiet and simple, but not slovenly; most humble, without any meanness of spirit; noble and generous, grave and courteous, superior to all that is earthy, despising what is perishable, his gaze fixed on what will remain for ever unchanged, guiding himself in all things, great or small, by the most perfect standards; master of all his feelings, even in their first movements, and therefore showing externally and continuously that imperturbable peace in the midst of which his soul steadily shaped its course to the eternal shores. . . . one notes especially a prudence more than human, and a love of God, and of his neighbour for God, which consumed his heart with its seraphic and sweet fires. . . [His letters] show us a mind sure, vast, profound, comprehensive, fitted for speculation or action. In the management of men or affairs, he stands eminent among the foremost the world has known. His judgement was clear and solid, With sure vision he read the hearts of men, and detected accurately the twistings and turnings, the ins and outs, of their minds. He possessed a marvellous discretion in treating all characters, classes, and conditions. Mature deliberation, firmness of resolve, skill in counsel, compelling persuasion, vigorous execution, were his. He showed courage in facing difficult undertakings, and perseverance in carrying them through, constancy in supporting adversity, and resourcefulness ins surmounting obstacles. He was ready at all points, grasped all details, knew when to give way and when to insist, to yield or hold fast, as circumstances indicated, to show severity or mildness, condescension or determination, as the case required. There burned in him a zeal, active, ardent, indefatigable, always meditating enterprises, battles, and victories to spread the greater glory of God . . . And all this was united with an unalterable sweetness and gentleness, ennobled by a largeness of heart, which rose above all labours or success, beautified by that noble and delicate urbanity, characteristic of _ chivalry of his day, enlightened by supernatural illumination of heavenly wisdom. Anyone guess who this is? Coach Sandusky? RESPONSE:No. Not him. Someone else.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portrait of a Saint
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 13, 2011, at 8:20 AM, maskedzebra wrote: Quiet and simple, but not slovenly; most humble, without any meanness of spirit; noble and generous, grave and courteous, superior to all that is earthy, despising what is perishable, his gaze fixed on what will remain for ever unchanged, guiding himself in all things, great or small, by the most perfect standards; master of all his feelings, even in their first movements, and therefore showing externally and continuously that imperturbable peace in the midst of which his soul steadily shaped its course to the eternal shores. . . . one notes especially a prudence more than human, and a love of God, and of his neighbour for God, which consumed his heart with its seraphic and sweet fires. . . [His letters] show us a mind sure, vast, profound, comprehensive, fitted for speculation or action. In the management of men or affairs, he stands eminent among the foremost the world has known. His judgement was clear and solid, With sure vision he read the hearts of men, and detected accurately the twistings and turnings, the ins and outs, of their minds. He possessed a marvellous discretion in treating all characters, classes, and conditions. Mature deliberation, firmness of resolve, skill in counsel, compelling persuasion, vigorous execution, were his. He showed courage in facing difficult undertakings, and perseverance in carrying them through, constancy in supporting adversity, and resourcefulness ins surmounting obstacles. He was ready at all points, grasped all details, knew when to give way and when to insist, to yield or hold fast, as circumstances indicated, to show severity or mildness, condescension or determination, as the case required. There burned in him a zeal, active, ardent, indefatigable, always meditating enterprises, battles, and victories to spread the greater glory of God . . . And all this was united with an unalterable sweetness and gentleness, ennobled by a largeness of heart, which rose above all labours or success, beautified by that noble and delicate urbanity, characteristic of _ chivalry of his day, enlightened by supernatural illumination of heavenly wisdom. Anyone guess who this is? Coach Sandusky? RESPONSE II: Good guess though. Keep trying. I'll let you know if you get it right. Thanks, Vaj. I don't actually think that CS was that saintlyfrom what I hear. But thinking outside the boxthat can never be a bad thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portrait of a Saint
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 13, 2011, at 8:20 AM, maskedzebra wrote: Quiet and simple, but not slovenly; most humble, without any meanness of spirit; noble and generous, grave and courteous, superior to all that is earthy, despising what is perishable, his gaze fixed on what will remain for ever unchanged, guiding himself in all things, great or small, by the most perfect standards; master of all his feelings, even in their first movements, and therefore showing externally and continuously that imperturbable peace in the midst of which his soul steadily shaped its course to the eternal shores. . . . one notes especially a prudence more than human, and a love of God, and of his neighbour for God, which consumed his heart with its seraphic and sweet fires. . . [His letters] show us a mind sure, vast, profound, comprehensive, fitted for speculation or action. In the management of men or affairs, he stands eminent among the foremost the world has known. His judgement was clear and solid, With sure vision he read the hearts of men, and detected accurately the twistings and turnings, the ins and outs, of their minds. He possessed a marvellous discretion in treating all characters, classes, and conditions. Mature deliberation, firmness of resolve, skill in counsel, compelling persuasion, vigorous execution, were his. He showed courage in facing difficult undertakings, and perseverance in carrying them through, constancy in supporting adversity, and resourcefulness ins surmounting obstacles. He was ready at all points, grasped all details, knew when to give way and when to insist, to yield or hold fast, as circumstances indicated, to show severity or mildness, condescension or determination, as the case required. There burned in him a zeal, active, ardent, indefatigable, always meditating enterprises, battles, and victories to spread the greater glory of God . . . And all this was united with an unalterable sweetness and gentleness, ennobled by a largeness of heart, which rose above all labours or success, beautified by that noble and delicate urbanity, characteristic of _ chivalry of his day, enlightened by supernatural illumination of heavenly wisdom. Anyone guess who this is? Coach Sandusky? RESPONSE III: Just a correction there, Vaj: I meant JS not CS. I just realized, upon further reflection, that you were probably pulling my leg, right? Well, you got me, because at first I just thought: How could Vaj make such a lousy guess? But then, after writing back to you you twice, I realized: Robin, he was kidding around. I get it now, Vaj: and by cracky you won't fool me again. But absolutely this is not a description of Jerry Sandusky. And remember: this was before the good guys bombed the Benedictine Monastery. Mountain-climbing, then, it is out?
[FairfieldLife] Hitler vegetarian myth
http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/hitler.html http://www.naturalnews.com/025163_Hitler_vegetarian_vegetarianism.html
[FairfieldLife] Ode to my beloved and Robin
Post number 50 for my beloved and Robin. I was saving it to slay Jim. Because I have no agenda, I have no selfishness, I have brutal honesty, playful dishonesty, dedicated to nothing but the truth, willing to ruin my reputation, humiliate myself publicly in the cause of my pursuit for the higher truth, willing to sacrifice for integrity, ever alert, fluidly, gracefully adapting to the perplexing, dazzling, dizzying, constant shifting reality. So I'm in no hurry to respond to Jim, I have the whole of eternity available. I bow down to your unenlightened white ass my dear Robin, to the man whose exceptional intellect is unmatched and possibly the only intellect that can explain RTM (Ravi Transgressive Mode - I like it), whose dedication to understand RTM it seems is unseen and unheard of, that the ignorant, retarded liars, crooks, emotionally damaged ones who have covered themselves with layers and layers of some of the basest, crudest, grossest states of consciousness, that these MF'ers are so threatened. They dive into a personal conversation between the mystic who naturally follows RTM and the exceptional intellectual who formulated RTM and would like to understand it. Pathetic. Sad. Miserable MF'ers. Ravi is a slave of his lovers and slayers of the intellectuals, the pimps. When your message reached I was in my most utter humanness, in pain, in sadness, shock - I was utterly numb and just crashed on my desk chair exhausted after just a 2 hour sleep the previous night caused by my intense love to my beloved. I woke up exhausted, still numb because my most beautiful, radiant beloved was mad at me. Listen to this Robin - this is the first time that RTM has functioned such. No slaying, no abusing, no provoking, no enchanting, tempting, no Kali or Mohini moves. Just unconditional love, the Durga energy, that RTM can hurt people by just showing unconditional love. But then Steve - are you reading this? My beloved is the real heartland. And I in pursuit of my higher values of truth, brutal honesty, my integrity was willing to sacrifice my own selfish needs to heal my wound caused by my love being viciously, cruelly, brazenly, ferociously rejected by my ex. Rick asked in my interview if I was selfless - I unflinchingly said yes. But I have been thinking of this statement since then. Robin - I have irrefutable proof today. That RTM is so ruthless in its pursuit of truth, honesty and integrity that it was willing to destroy Ravi's petty, selfish, stupid needs to heal his own wounds. I already knew my beloved loved me. She is her Virgo Venus little ways showed she cared for me. She posted poems from Sufi saints that she knew I loved, she went and researched on Mira, who I told her merged into Lord Krishna. Steve - listen to the love of my beloved, the real Mid Western Heartland girl. She practiced hard to sing a song in Telugu, my native tongue and then asked me ever so gently, so innocently to back her up. She touched me, she was all the more beautiful, all the more radiant, more loving and all I had to do was walk to her car and ask her out again. But what does this mean machine - this RTM dedicated to truth, honest and integrity decides to do? It refuses to heal the personal wounds of Ravi Chivukula in it grandiose, megalomaniac higher pursuit. zarzari_786 - are you reading this as well? RTM forces Ravi to realize that he loves his beloved too much, he sees that she is perfect in all sense but she needs to the embodiment of strength and valor like Rukmini. RTM forces Ravi into deep pain, sadness, misery to sacrifice his personal selfish needs in its higher pursuit of making his beloved rise higher in consciousness. RTM makes Ravi use his sheer unconditional love, none of the patented Kali-Durga and Mohini-Kali maneuvers. RTM forces Ravi to hurt his own beloved, the beautiful, radiant one through the energy of Durga - unconditional love. Rukmini - are you reading this? The unconditional love, truth, honesty, integrity of Ravi Chivukula is such that he will slay himself, he will humiliate himself, he will engage in playful silly antics, behave like a circus clown, a court jester, or a stand up comedian. And Robin as I lay vulnerable, sad, suffering, niserable, painful, shocked, numbed and the helpless inability of my intellect to understand RTM, Robin swoops in like the Eagle and as soon as I read his message I feel blissed out again. Because I'm coming closer and closer to understand the mean machine of RTM. I understand that RTM made my beloved stronger by making her type that email to me. So I achieved the purpose of making her stronger, brave even if it meant I had to slay myself. Now Rukmini if you are still reading this, I sent an email to you and posted videos on Facebook. A little secret - I moved to LA because I knew you were in pain and sadness with a deep longing to love someone unconditionally. Rukimini - you finally found your Krishna, a playful, deceptive Krishna for sure - but he is intensely loyal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portrait of a Saint
Anyone guess who this is? Washington's horse. George Washington rode up and sat his horse quietly beside the bridge. Private Howland wrote, The noble horse of Gen. Washington stood with his breast pressed close against the end of the west rail of the bridge, and the firm, composed and majestic countenance... inspired confidence and assurance in a moment so important and critical. In this passage across the bridge it was my fortune to be next the west rail, and arriving at the west end of the bridge I was pressed against the shoulder of the end of the general's horse and in contact with the general's boot. The horse stood firm as the rider, and seemed to understand that he was not to quit his post and station. Again the men spoke of his composure in a critical moment, and the army rallied to his quiet leadership. Nearly all the Americans got safely across the creek. Howland wrote that the bridge was narrow and our platoons in passing it were crowded into a dense and solid mass, in the rear of which, the enemy were making their best efforts. Every man who crossed the bridge passed close by him. The horse stood firm as the rider, and seemed to understand that he was not to quit his post and station. Again the men spoke of his composure in a critical moment, and the army rallied to his quiet leadership. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Quiet and simple, but not slovenly; most humble, without any meanness of spirit; noble and generous, grave and courteous, superior to all that is earthy, despising what is perishable, his gaze fixed on what will remain for ever unchanged, guiding himself in all things, great or small, by the most perfect standards; master of all his feelings, even in their first movements, and therefore showing externally and continuously that imperturbable peace in the midst of which his soul steadily shaped its course to the eternal shores. . . . one notes especially a prudence more than human, and a love of God, and of his neighbour for God, which consumed his heart with its seraphic and sweet fires. . . [His letters] show us a mind sure, vast, profound, comprehensive, fitted for speculation or action. In the management of men or affairs, he stands eminent among the foremost the world has known. His judgement was clear and solid, With sure vision he read the hearts of men, and detected accurately the twistings and turnings, the ins and outs, of their minds. He possessed a marvellous discretion in treating all characters, classes, and conditions. Mature deliberation, firmness of resolve, skill in counsel, compelling persuasion, vigorous execution, were his. He showed courage in facing difficult undertakings, and perseverance in carrying them through, constancy in supporting adversity, and resourcefulness ins surmounting obstacles. He was ready at all points, grasped all details, knew when to give way and when to insist, to yield or hold fast, as circumstances indicated, to show severity or mildness, condescension or determination, as the case required. There burned in him a zeal, active, ardent, indefatigable, always meditating enterprises, battles, and victories to spread the greater glory of God . . . And all this was united with an unalterable sweetness and gentleness, ennobled by a largeness of heart, which rose above all labours or success, beautified by that noble and delicate urbanity, characteristic of _ chivalry of his day, enlightened by supernatural illumination of heavenly wisdom. Anyone guess who this is?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extraordinary Results from Course on Vedic Physiology
sparaig: one of my favorite quotes from MMY: Spiritual and Material Values Every experience has its level of physiology, and so unbounded awareness has its own level of physiology which can be measured. Every aspect of life is integrated and connected with every other phase. When we talk of scientific measurements, it does not take away from the spiritual experience. We are not responsible for those times when spiritual experience was thought of as metaphysical. Everything is physical. Consciousness is the product of the functioning of the brain. Talking of scientific measurements is no damage to that wholeness of life which is present everywhere and which begins to be lived when the physiology is taking on a particular form. This is our understanding about spirituality: it is not on the level of faith --it is on the level of blood and bone and flesh and activity. It is measurable. -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi There is an element of faith in accepting the premise that there is such a spiritual state - enlightenment. The enlightenment tradition in India was founded by Shakya the Muni, the first historical yogin (circa 563 BCE). But, I'm not convinced that enlightenment has a set of physical corollaries that manifests itself in the body - an enlightened person might have the same physical attributes as an un-enlightened person. Enlightenment is a psycological experience - an awareness of being aware - it's just a mental outlook. Before enlightenment; chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment; chop wood, carry water. - Hsin Hsin Ming It is a conditioning of the nervous system. Enlightenment doesn't have anything to do with the human nervous system. If it did, we could see it and measure it and replicate it. The enlightened state is a state of mind; a state where we percieve reality as it really is. Enlightenment is a mental state - there is no change in the physical body. Enlightenment is a metaphysical state. The historical buddha is said to have attained enlightenment, but he had a bad back until the day he passed away. Enlightenment ...is the state of residing in such great understanding and depth, that no matter what life throws your way, you are at peace with it, you are able to say, That's OK, no problem. - Zen Buddhist Master Charlotte Joko Beck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
And while your at it, you should also try to get a copy of the recent interview with SBS's successor. sparaig: The current successor wasn't even at the ashram when SBS died, He was studying with another guru. Apparently SBS passed away in Calcutta and only three others were present at the time. SBS did not spend much time at Jyotirmath. According to what I've read, SBS was at Jyotirmath on only two occasions, for less than three weeks during the warm season. The only succussor to SBS is Swami Vasudevananda in the desciplic succession. Swami Svarupanand took another guru and Svarup was NOT mentioned in the will of SBS. Swami Svarupanand became the Shankaracharya in the early 1980s of the Dwarakapeeth. Soon afterwards, the Parishad and others asked him to choose to remain the Shankaracharya of only one of the peeths and give up the other. According to Vidyasankar Sundaresan, Swami Shantanand was succeeded by Swami Vasudevanand. Swami Vasudevanand is the sole remaining representative of the Guru Dev lineage... Jyotirmath Sankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century By Vidyasankar Sundaresan http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extraordinary Results from Course on Vedic Physiology
Your response really makes me think Richard. I am reading a book that explores this question from a slightly different angle. It is called, The Mind and the Brain, neuroplasticity and the power of mental force. by Schwarty and Beggley. It discusses a theory of how the mind influences the brain's functioning. I'll just paste in the book description from Amazon which got me interested because I am not deep enough into it to speak about it. But thanks for an deepening the question about this relationship in your response. Here is a the key excerpt: This major discovery is at the core of The Mind and the Brain: that through the power of thought, by focusing attention, human beings can use their own minds to change their brains. Here is the whole quote: The greatest scientific advances are never the result of strict adherence to convention. Often it takes an innovative maverick, someone willing to see things differently while possessing the determination and intelligence to substantiate his challenges to conventional wisdom. Jeffrey M. Schwartz, M.D., a leading neuroscientist and Research Professor of Psychiatry at the UCLA School of Medicine, an international authority on brain diseases and author of the definitive work on obsessive compulsive disorder, Brain Lock, has defied convention again in his new book, The Mind and the Brain: Neuroplasticity and the Power of Mental Force. The Mind and the Brain, written with Sharon Begley, formerly Newsweek's senior science writer and now science columnist for The Wall Street Journal, is a work as profound as it is provocative: a book that gives substantial proof that - contrary to popular scientific belief - the entity we commonly call the mind has the power to change the makeup of the physical brain. For years, there has been a division between the assumptions of hard science 'which contended that the brain functioned essentially as a machine' and our daily human experience, which seems to suggest that the mind is something different from the physical brain, a force we are capable of harnessing for our benefit. This was a conflict that always bothered Jeffrey Schwartz, who was responsible for the revolutionary Four Steps therapy that has helped patients around the world battle the effects of obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD). His therapy was grounded in cognitive-behavioural principles, which drew on a patient's own awareness of his state of mind, and involved the patient directly in his own therapy. Combining the revelations of more than two decades of research with a progressive approach influenced by the Buddhist principle of mindful awareness, Schwartz's therapy was wildly successful but it also opened a door into a much more significant revelation: while reviewing his patients' brain scans, Schwartz discovered that their self-directed therapy was actually changing the wiring of their brains. This major discovery is at the core of The Mind and the Brain: that through the power of thought, by focusing attention, human beings can use their own minds to change their brains. The scientific implications of this discovery are manifold: victims of stroke may be able to use the discovery to help reassume command of their bodies and lives, and psychiatrists treating patients with mental disorders may be able to decrease their patients' reliance on psychiatric drugs. As a therapeutic advance, then, The Mind and the Brain offers a paradigm shift that promises new treatments for conditions from dyslexia to depression. Schwartz's discovery may amount to the most conclusive scientific evidence to date of the existence of free will 'that is, the power of human beings to take an active role in the choices they make. In the book Schwartz points accusingly at the moral vacuum created by the old, materialistic worldview and raises questions of personal responsibility in a new light. Infused with the insatiable curiosity of a scientific trailblazer and the passion of a crusader, The Mind and the Brain is a daring and groundbreaking work of research and vision - one whose conclusions are sure to make waves within the scientific community, and to affect profoundly the human race's understanding of itself. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@... wrote: sparaig: one of my favorite quotes from MMY: Spiritual and Material Values Every experience has its level of physiology, and so unbounded awareness has its own level of physiology which can be measured. Every aspect of life is integrated and connected with every other phase. When we talk of scientific measurements, it does not take away from the spiritual experience. We are not responsible for those times when spiritual experience was thought of as metaphysical. Everything is physical. Consciousness is the product of the functioning of the brain. Talking of scientific measurements is no damage
[FairfieldLife] David Parrish: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 12/13/2011
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Portrait of a Saint
This was terrific, Buck. Private Howland was without knowing it experiencing what it was to be becoming an AMERICAN. The creation of your country had something to do with GW's horse. At least it feels this way to me when I read the words of Private Howland. I just understand something more about the United States! Thanks for this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Anyone guess who this is? Washington's horse. George Washington rode up and sat his horse quietly beside the bridge. Private Howland wrote, The noble horse of Gen. Washington stood with his breast pressed close against the end of the west rail of the bridge, and the firm, composed and majestic countenance... inspired confidence and assurance in a moment so important and critical. In this passage across the bridge it was my fortune to be next the west rail, and arriving at the west end of the bridge I was pressed against the shoulder of the end of the general's horse and in contact with the general's boot. The horse stood firm as the rider, and seemed to understand that he was not to quit his post and station. Again the men spoke of his composure in a critical moment, and the army rallied to his quiet leadership. Nearly all the Americans got safely across the creek. Howland wrote that the bridge was narrow and our platoons in passing it were crowded into a dense and solid mass, in the rear of which, the enemy were making their best efforts. Every man who crossed the bridge passed close by him. The horse stood firm as the rider, and seemed to understand that he was not to quit his post and station. Again the men spoke of his composure in a critical moment, and the army rallied to his quiet leadership. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Quiet and simple, but not slovenly; most humble, without any meanness of spirit; noble and generous, grave and courteous, superior to all that is earthy, despising what is perishable, his gaze fixed on what will remain for ever unchanged, guiding himself in all things, great or small, by the most perfect standards; master of all his feelings, even in their first movements, and therefore showing externally and continuously that imperturbable peace in the midst of which his soul steadily shaped its course to the eternal shores. . . . one notes especially a prudence more than human, and a love of God, and of his neighbour for God, which consumed his heart with its seraphic and sweet fires. . . [His letters] show us a mind sure, vast, profound, comprehensive, fitted for speculation or action. In the management of men or affairs, he stands eminent among the foremost the world has known. His judgement was clear and solid, With sure vision he read the hearts of men, and detected accurately the twistings and turnings, the ins and outs, of their minds. He possessed a marvellous discretion in treating all characters, classes, and conditions. Mature deliberation, firmness of resolve, skill in counsel, compelling persuasion, vigorous execution, were his. He showed courage in facing difficult undertakings, and perseverance in carrying them through, constancy in supporting adversity, and resourcefulness ins surmounting obstacles. He was ready at all points, grasped all details, knew when to give way and when to insist, to yield or hold fast, as circumstances indicated, to show severity or mildness, condescension or determination, as the case required. There burned in him a zeal, active, ardent, indefatigable, always meditating enterprises, battles, and victories to spread the greater glory of God . . . And all this was united with an unalterable sweetness and gentleness, ennobled by a largeness of heart, which rose above all labours or success, beautified by that noble and delicate urbanity, characteristic of _ chivalry of his day, enlightened by supernatural illumination of heavenly wisdom. Anyone guess who this is?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sometimes crazy wisdom is just crazy
...according to the dogma, a person can't be both enlightened AND crazy... Good topic Barry... turquoiseb: As for intellectual clarity, have you ever read any of the books by Chogyam Trungpa? Some are utterly brilliant, despite the fact (as we know now) that he was totally in the bag (meaning falling down drunk) while writing most of them. Apparently, Trungpa didn't 'write' any books; they were recorded from dharma talks. In many cases, Trungpa was 'utterly brilliant' when he was under the influence, but not when sober. Go figure. Trungpa is a meditation master of the Kagyud sect, which holds the Bodhisatva Vajradhara (Dorje Chang) as it's Adi-Buddha. The human historical founder of the sect was Tilopa (988-1069), one of the most illustrious of the 84 Mahasiddhas. He is said to have recieved instructions directly from Vajradhara. Next come the Indian sage Naropa (1016-1100), Tilop's long-suffering disciple. From Tilopa and Naropa originate the meditative practices with which the sect is identified: The Six Yogas of Naropa (Na-ro'i chos-drug) and Mahamudra (Phyag-rya-chen-po). The first two divisions of the sect originated with two Tibetan disciples of Naropa. Khyungo the yogin (1012-64) founded the Shangpa Kagud and Marpa the translator (1012-96) founded the Dagpo (Dwags-po) Kagyd. Marpa was a layman whose thirst for learning drove him to undertake three costly and perilous journeys to India. Each time, he obtained important oral and written teachings. His momentous meeting with Naropa inspired his career as a major proponent of the Vajrayana in Tibet.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Luck
On 12/13/2011 03:05 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoisebno_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: On 12/12/2011 03:16 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Monday mornings are usually light for me work-wise, so I take advantage of it to catch up on episodes of both Dexter and Homeland, which have downloaded overnight. I did so this morning. First I watched Dex (a total head case himself) dealing with Travis (Colin Hanks, playing even more of a head case, because unlike Dex he doesn't know he's one). Then I watched the latest episode of Homeland, in which we finally get to see what Carrie (Claire Danes, the talented but bipolar heroine of the series) is like when she is off her meds. Both were chilling. Yup, both good episodes. On HBO following the season finale of Boardwalk Empire they showed the pilot of David Milch's Luck which begins airing at the end of January. Thank you, thank you for mentioning this. I'm down- loading it now, and will let you know what I think after I've seen it. I'm a total David Milch freak, so I suspect I'll like it. Because I said I'd follow up, I will. :-) I will be watching this one, *not* because I've ever been drawn to horse racing or, for that matter, betting in general, but because it appears that it's David Milch doing again what he is best at. That is, 1) creating total, immersive environments that completely capture the look and feel of a culture or subculture, 2) staffing these environments with a large cast of characters (in the sense of Man, is that person a *character*!), and 3) capturing the peculiar language of the environment and finding ways to tell a story using that language. Luck seems to have all those ingredients, plus the additional talents of Michael Mann as producer and sometimes director. I get the feeling that a lot of the tremendous cinematography in the pilot was Mann's doing, as was the tight integration of music. Dream cast: Tom Payne, Dustin Hoffman, Nick Nolte, John Ortiz, Kevin Dunn, Dennis Farina, Jason Gedrick, Ian Hart (loved his victory dance), Michael Gambon, Jurgen Prochnow, and many others. It has the potential to be as large and as varied a cast as Deadwood. A lot of the critical comments focus on what the reviewers found most difficult in watching it -- the arcane language of horse racing, and their inability to follow it. I had no such trouble. Pretty much everything was clear to me from the get-go; maybe I spent past incarnations at the track. :-) But, as with Deadwood, god is in the details. Who would have guessed that a jockey talking about how cool the horse he's riding could be a major taboo, one that could end your career? (Because betters might overhear, which would affect the odds.) Dennis Farina is as good as he always is, and his humility provides the perfect foil for Dustin Hoffman's rage and egomaniacal one-pointed quest for revenge. Nick Nolte is great so far, too, as The Old Man who has a (dare I say it?) track record of picking peaches (horses who are going to be great, potential Derby winners). In the pilot, however, I'm most taken with the group of four addicts (and addict is the right word for a compulsive gambler, as Milch, himself a former heroin junkie, would understand) who band together to play Pick Six. One is tempted to think of them as losers...except when they win. But even then they might lose, as their darker, more addicted-to-gambling side comes out. I think Jason Gedrick's character is going to be someone to watch. But all of this is just low-level stuff. One gets the feeling that the real meat of the show is going to revolve around high-level, multi-million-dollar deals orchestrated by Dustin Hoffman, all in the name of gaining his revenge on those who done him wrong. Anyway, thanks again for the tip. I wasn't expecting the series until January, so it's great to get an advance preview. Now if someone would only greenlight Joss Whedon's much-talked-about-but-never-realized series Goners. So would you pay $100+ a month just so you could watch Luck on HBO?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Luck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 12/13/2011 03:05 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Because I said I'd follow up, I will. :-) I will be watching this one, *not* because I've ever been drawn to horse racing or, for that matter, betting in general, but because it appears that it's David Milch doing again what he is best at. That is, 1) creating total, immersive environments that completely capture the look and feel of a culture or subculture, 2) staffing these environments with a large cast of characters (in the sense of Man, is that person a *character*!), and 3) capturing the peculiar language of the environment and finding ways to tell a story using that language. Luck seems to have all those ingredients, plus the additional talents of Michael Mann as producer and sometimes director. I get the feeling that a lot of the tremendous cinematography in the pilot was Mann's doing, as was the tight integration of music. Dream cast: Tom Payne, Dustin Hoffman, Nick Nolte, John Ortiz, Kevin Dunn, Dennis Farina, Jason Gedrick, Ian Hart (loved his victory dance), Michael Gambon, Jurgen Prochnow, and many others. It has the potential to be as large and as varied a cast as Deadwood. A lot of the critical comments focus on what the reviewers found most difficult in watching it -- the arcane language of horse racing, and their inability to follow it. I had no such trouble. Pretty much everything was clear to me from the get-go; maybe I spent past incarnations at the track. :-) But, as with Deadwood, god is in the details. Who would have guessed that a jockey talking about how cool the horse he's riding could be a major taboo, one that could end your career? (Because betters might overhear, which would affect the odds.) Dennis Farina is as good as he always is, and his humility provides the perfect foil for Dustin Hoffman's rage and egomaniacal one-pointed quest for revenge. Nick Nolte is great so far, too, as The Old Man who has a (dare I say it?) track record of picking peaches (horses who are going to be great, potential Derby winners). In the pilot, however, I'm most taken with the group of four addicts (and addict is the right word for a compulsive gambler, as Milch, himself a former heroin junkie, would understand) who band together to play Pick Six. One is tempted to think of them as losers...except when they win. But even then they might lose, as their darker, more addicted-to-gambling side comes out. I think Jason Gedrick's character is going to be someone to watch. But all of this is just low-level stuff. One gets the feeling that the real meat of the show is going to revolve around high-level, multi-million-dollar deals orchestrated by Dustin Hoffman, all in the name of gaining his revenge on those who done him wrong. Anyway, thanks again for the tip. I wasn't expecting the series until January, so it's great to get an advance preview. Now if someone would only greenlight Joss Whedon's much-talked-about-but-never-realized series Goners. So would you pay $100+ a month just so you could watch Luck on HBO? No fuckin' way. They'd take my eyepatch away from me. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extraordinary Results from Course on Vedic Physiology
curtisdeltablues: Your response really makes me think Richard. I am reading a book that explores this question from a slightly different angle. It is called, The Mind and the Brain, neuroplasticity and the power of mental force. by Schwarty and Beggley. Thanks for the info. Apparently, there's no difference between being 'enlightened' and being un-enlightened, except for one's POV. I first started thinking about this after reading some of the old Zen koans or riddles. Dogen, the founder of the Soto Zen sect in Japan, compiled many koans in the Shobogenzo. According to Shunryu Suzuki, a Soto master, the main practice of Zen is 'just sitting'. This just sitting IS enlightenment. That's it! You are not going to get any more enlightenment than you are going to get. So, just stop striving, just Be - be aware of being aware. A monk told Joshu: 'I have just entered the monastery. Please teach me.' Joshu asked: 'Have you eaten your rice?' The monk replied: 'I have eaten.' Joshu said: 'Then you had better wash your bowl.' At that moment the monk was enlightened! Joshu Washes the Bowl: http://www.ibiblio.org/zen/gateless-gate/7.html Reccomended reading: 'The Zen Experience' by Thomas Hoover New American Library, 1980 http://tinyurl.com/d7allmz The best history of Zen ever written. - Library Journal
[FairfieldLife] Newt?
*One afternoon Newt Gingrich was riding in his limousine when he saw two men along the road-side eating grass. * *Disturbed, he ordered his driver to stop and got out to investigate. * *He asked one man, Why are you eating grass? * *We don't have any money for food, the poor man replied. We have to eat grass. * *Well, then, you can come with me to my house and I'll feed you, Newt said. * *But sir, I have a wife and two children with me. They are over there, under that tree. * *Bring them along, Newt replied. * *Turning to the other poor man he stated, You may come with us, also. * *The second man, in a pitiful voice, then said, But sir, I also have a wife and SIX children with me! * *Bring them all as well, Newt answered. * *They all entered the car, which was no easy task, even for a car as large as the limousine was. * *Once under way, one of the poor fellows turned to Gingrich and said, Sir, you are too kind. * *Thank you for taking all of us with you. * * Newt replied, Glad to do it. * *You'll really love my place. * *The grass is almost a foot high. *
[FairfieldLife] Turq's kinda woman
Over the years, admittedly often because I provoked it, there has been speculation on this forum as to my taste in women. Most of it has been so off as to be ludicrous. For the record, this is the first video or photo I have seen in ages that left me thinking, Wow. I am in love. This is just SO my kinda woman. We'd get along. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emKY2AbC3L8 The wolves can come, too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's kinda woman
http://www.tanja-askani.de/ta_ueber.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Over the years, admittedly often because I provoked it, there has been speculation on this forum as to my taste in women. Most of it has been so off as to be ludicrous. For the record, this is the first video or photo I have seen in ages that left me thinking, Wow. I am in love. This is just SO my kinda woman. We'd get along. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emKY2AbC3L8 The wolves can come, too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Luck
On 12/13/2011 09:10 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 12/13/2011 03:05 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Because I said I'd follow up, I will. :-) I will be watching this one, *not* because I've ever been drawn to horse racing or, for that matter, betting in general, but because it appears that it's David Milch doing again what he is best at. That is, 1) creating total, immersive environments that completely capture the look and feel of a culture or subculture, 2) staffing these environments with a large cast of characters (in the sense of Man, is that person a *character*!), and 3) capturing the peculiar language of the environment and finding ways to tell a story using that language. Luck seems to have all those ingredients, plus the additional talents of Michael Mann as producer and sometimes director. I get the feeling that a lot of the tremendous cinematography in the pilot was Mann's doing, as was the tight integration of music. Dream cast: Tom Payne, Dustin Hoffman, Nick Nolte, John Ortiz, Kevin Dunn, Dennis Farina, Jason Gedrick, Ian Hart (loved his victory dance), Michael Gambon, Jurgen Prochnow, and many others. It has the potential to be as large and as varied a cast as Deadwood. A lot of the critical comments focus on what the reviewers found most difficult in watching it -- the arcane language of horse racing, and their inability to follow it. I had no such trouble. Pretty much everything was clear to me from the get-go; maybe I spent past incarnations at the track. :-) But, as with Deadwood, god is in the details. Who would have guessed that a jockey talking about how cool the horse he's riding could be a major taboo, one that could end your career? (Because betters might overhear, which would affect the odds.) Dennis Farina is as good as he always is, and his humility provides the perfect foil for Dustin Hoffman's rage and egomaniacal one-pointed quest for revenge. Nick Nolte is great so far, too, as The Old Man who has a (dare I say it?) track record of picking peaches (horses who are going to be great, potential Derby winners). In the pilot, however, I'm most taken with the group of four addicts (and addict is the right word for a compulsive gambler, as Milch, himself a former heroin junkie, would understand) who band together to play Pick Six. One is tempted to think of them as losers...except when they win. But even then they might lose, as their darker, more addicted-to-gambling side comes out. I think Jason Gedrick's character is going to be someone to watch. But all of this is just low-level stuff. One gets the feeling that the real meat of the show is going to revolve around high-level, multi-million-dollar deals orchestrated by Dustin Hoffman, all in the name of gaining his revenge on those who done him wrong. Anyway, thanks again for the tip. I wasn't expecting the series until January, so it's great to get an advance preview. Now if someone would only greenlight Joss Whedon's much-talked-about-but-never-realized series Goners. So would you pay $100+ a month just so you could watch Luck on HBO? No fuckin' way. They'd take my eyepatch away from me. :-) If folks in the US want to be legal that's what they have to do. Can't even just have basic cable and HBO last I looked. Gotta sign up for a whole buncha stuff from those scamsters. Some premium shows are available on the pay per streaming places like Vudu but HBO will be the last company to ever do something like that though they are releasing some of their series to Vudu. Unfortunately too many US businesses believe that good business is to operate like a con game.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extraordinary Results from Course on Vedic Physiology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@... wrote: curtisdeltablues: Your response really makes me think Richard. I am reading a book that explores this question from a slightly different angle. It is called, The Mind and the Brain, neuroplasticity and the power of mental force. by Schwarty and Beggley. Thanks for the info. Apparently, there's no difference between being 'enlightened' and being un-enlightened, except for one's POV. I first started thinking about this after reading some of the old Zen koans or riddles. Dogen, the founder of the Soto Zen sect in Japan, compiled many koans in the Shobogenzo. According to Shunryu Suzuki, a Soto master, the main practice of Zen is 'just sitting'. This just sitting IS enlightenment. That's it! Very interesting. I am not sure. I think the term enlightenment is one of those emotionally laden terms like God that actually covers many different states of mind. If we just isolate the state of awareness itself from all the magical claims then I can see the case for it being a shift of attention. But it also occurs to me that intense practice of meditation does shift your attention so that it can stay that way pretty persistently. And it wouldn't surprise me if it has a physical shift of how the brain is communicating with itself. I suspect that long meditation practice can adjust how the brain functions between its parts, and this has profound implications for our sense of self which is created by this interaction. (I know reductionism again, but there it is.) You are not going to get any more enlightenment than you are going to get. So, just stop striving, just Be - be aware of being aware. We have an odd agreement in this phrase Richard. I like to say that I am as enlightened up as I need to be to enjoy my life. I'm not hungry for more of an internal shift. From moment to moment I might want to tweak it a bit and use meditation and exercise as one of the tools. I can imagine how you might identify with this term as useful, even though it doesn't match my view of myself. And there is a serious problem I see with the lack of distinction between heightened states of awareness and mental problems. We are seeing that issue being played out on this board sometimes. And it is no service to the person being tormented to egg their delusions on. But the kind of quiet state of awareness shift you seem to be describing does have some real appeal for me as a POV. I don't know how it grew into so much baggage and hype though. What is with all of that sidhis nonsense? A monk told Joshu: 'I have just entered the monastery. Please teach me.' Joshu asked: 'Have you eaten your rice?' The monk replied: 'I have eaten.' Joshu said: 'Then you had better wash your bowl.' At that moment the monk was enlightened! I had a friend who went to one of those Western Advaita guys to sit for a week. Sam Harris is a fan of this. In time his mind kind of wound down and he was aware of whatever state it was that this guy was guiding them all to, some version of ineffable wholeness blah de blah de blah. When I am in the middle of a lake in my kayak I shift into something that might use these words. Or right now if I notice it. But to have it really dominate and push all the other activity out takes a bit of dedication and practice. But is it really so freak'n great that it warrants that time? It has been a long time since I defined my life in terms of internal states. Now I am interested in focusing whatever state I have in creative expression. I was talking with a teacher the other day who is collaborating on a course for teachers with me about how I used to really notice having to get up early as we did for this meeting. It used to affect my sense of who I was even, I just couldn't be as aware. Now we both agreed that it makes almost no difference to our functioning to be tired. We just show up and start chopping. And it isn't that we were claiming some state of enlightenment, we looked at it in terms of one of the bennies of getting older. I was such a wimp as a young man, always fussing about my state of consciousness and my need to cultivate it with lots of whatever. But a lot of it is my shift of attention, I really don't care what awareness I have while I chop. So I can relate to your quotes and POV. I haven't integrated it with all the possible variations of what we are lumping into with the word enlightenment. But I think you are on to something important here and will read anything else you care to write about it. Joshu Washes the Bowl: http://www.ibiblio.org/zen/gateless-gate/7.html Reccomended reading: 'The Zen Experience' by Thomas Hoover New American Library, 1980 http://tinyurl.com/d7allmz The best history of Zen ever written. - Library Journal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's kinda woman
That was charming on so many levels. I think they must still be juveniles because that language they are practicing will turn serious at some point. There was one moment when the wolf/husky? was on top of her that I thought will be a move to avoid when they are mature. I liked how they went submissive for her so easily. I guess you have seen that guy who lives with wolves. He was able to shift from being alpha to not being alpha and that looked scary to the max. But that was in a pack and not the way pet owners can behave. Perfect seasonal joy film, Barry, thanks for posting it. Oh yeah, lips that touch dog tongue will never touch mine. If we get back to her place and she greets her pug with a kiss on the mouth, I tell her that I think I remember seeing a sign where I parked and have to move my car. Then while driving away I call my cellphone carrier and change my number. As Clint says, A man's got to know his limitations! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Over the years, admittedly often because I provoked it, there has been speculation on this forum as to my taste in women. Most of it has been so off as to be ludicrous. For the record, this is the first video or photo I have seen in ages that left me thinking, Wow. I am in love. This is just SO my kinda woman. We'd get along. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emKY2AbC3L8 The wolves can come, too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: OT: Two tough questions
Heh, thanks for the clarification. He is well known to historians for being vegetarian. We have silly notions about that. Just more cultural illusions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Emptybill, My comments are shown below: 1. He had more than a shakti yoga chart aspect. He had shakti herself. How do you this assertion to be true? Don't bother confining her within some Christian morality myth. She doesn't necessarily follow ordinary human moral considerations but rather plays both side of the game against each other at the same time that she also referees. How do you know this statement is correct? If you were fooled by him then you must have associated with him. That could be interesting, depending upon how much you remember. However, rather than announcing something on a public forum, send me a private email. We might have known each other. I simply meant to say that the squeaky clean habit fooled me to select category C. I don't have any prior life remembrance of Hitler if that is what you're referring to. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: I answered NO to question 1, and candidate C to question 2. By the way, Adolf Hitler had Shakti Yoga in his birth chart. He was destined to be a destroyer of worlds. So, his seemingly squeaky clean habits fooled many people, including me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: *2 TOUGH QUESTIONS INTERESTING * * Question 1: If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids already, three who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded, and she had syphilis, would you recommend that she have an abortion? Read the next question before looking at the response for this one. Question 2: It is time to elect a new world leader, and only your vote counts. Here are the facts about the three candidates. Candidate A: Associates with crooked politicians, and consults with astrologists. He's had two mistresses. He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 Martinis a day. Candidate B: He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon, used opium in college and drinks a quart of whiskey every evening. Candidate C: He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and never committed adultery. Which of these candidates would be our choice? Decide first... No peeking, and then scroll down for the response. Candidate A is Franklin D. Roosevelt. Candidate B is Winston Churchill. Candidate C is Adolf Hitler. And, by the way, on your answer to the abortion question: If you said YES, you just killed Beethoven.*
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's kinda woman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: That was charming on so many levels. I think they must still be juveniles because that language they are practicing will turn serious at some point. There was one moment when the wolf/husky? was on top of her that I thought will be a move to avoid when they are mature. I liked how they went submissive for her so easily. As I understand it, she raised all of them from pups, so there is possibly a different dynamic goin' down. To them she's Mama Wolf. I guess you have seen that guy who lives with wolves. He was able to shift from being alpha to not being alpha and that looked scary to the max. But that was in a pack and not the way pet owners can behave. Perfect seasonal joy film, Barry, thanks for posting it. I thought so. Made me want to go out and frolic in the snow. But there isn't any yet this year. Oh yeah, lips that touch dog tongue will never touch mine. Finally, I am more liberal than Curtis. Watch out for flying pigs. :-) If we get back to her place and she greets her pug with a kiss on the mouth, I tell her that I think I remember seeing a sign where I parked and have to move my car. Then while driving away I call my cellphone carrier and change my number. As Clint says, A man's got to know his limitations! And I respect yours, but as a dog owner I can attest that sometimes you just can't avoid tongue. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ode to my beloved and Robin
Steve, I'm sorry to hurt you publicly. I knew you would eventually understand. I love you, I never forgot your phone call. I just wanted to show that you didn't have to be ashamed of your innocent heart and use caustic wit to hurt. Please forgive me. And Curtis I hope you read this. You will like it since you are so fascinated my younger women. You will like this - I will be 41 next month but my Rukmini is only 27. Unlike you who cover your lust for younger women with your 7 layered deception, I was ashamed with myself that I had compromised my integrity by asking a 27 year old for a date. I didn't realize she was that young when I fell in love. I was looking for someone in 34-36 range. Because though I'm full of sexual energy, this Krishna has no perverted sexual energy. And being the epitome of honesty I have confessed all my sins and have been purified by Mother Ganges. Steve are you listening? You don't have to go to Varanasi, it's just metaphorical. Robin - got that? Liberals get it? Your fascination with Church of Liberalism results either in intellectually enlightened like Jim, Adyashanti or sexual perverts in the guise of renunciation like Muktananda or Maharishi. Rick get it? Robin get it? Only Ravi can criticize other Gurus. Rick, so you can continue to be ashamed of you heart centeredness and hide it by pretending as a wannabe intellectual, interviewing intellectually enlightened on your stupid show, getting conned day in and day out. I took it as the will of the existence that I was going to get a younger partner, after all Rukmini has to be much younger than Krishna. And I'm in no hurry, remember I have the whole of eternity. I'm also the humble servant of my Guru, I will just wait for her. Till then I will enjoy my time with Rukmini. Remember Ravi is totally at ease both in a temple or nightclub, so we both will just have fun, both at temples and nightclubs. Unlike Jim who posts out intentionally to avoid hiding his pains with his heart centeredness. I'm intentionally posting out to enjoy my time with my beloved. Get it emptybill? Yes you are right I'm a Bhogi, but my inner is Yogi. No more emails, no facebook once my beloved gets back to me. My attention will be in her. I will totally spoil her with my love. If she doesn't I will be still blessed out. Denise I hope you are reading. If my beloved doesn't get back then fine. Like feste37 says I might have just created a masterpiece that my belived Bob Price will market and I become a millionaire. And Denise I get blissed out on my pain too. So I will just wallow in my unhealed pain, and get blissed out wallowing in my pain, misery and sadness. Love you all, Ravi. On Dec 13, 2011, at 8:31 AM, seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I'm down with this. Definitely down with this.
[FairfieldLife] Chelsea Clinton's Debut as a TV Journalist
Critics may disagree, but IMO she'll do just fine in her role in the show. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/critics-chelsea-clinton-rock-center-debut-boring-162230857.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extraordinary Results from Course on Vedic Physiology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@ wrote: curtisdeltablues: Your response really makes me think Richard. I am reading a book that explores this question from a slightly different angle. It is called, The Mind and the Brain, neuroplasticity and the power of mental force. by Schwarty and Beggley. Thanks for the info. Apparently, there's no difference between being 'enlightened' and being un-enlightened, except for one's POV. I first started thinking about this after reading some of the old Zen koans or riddles. Dogen, the founder of the Soto Zen sect in Japan, compiled many koans in the Shobogenzo. According to Shunryu Suzuki, a Soto master, the main practice of Zen is 'just sitting'. This just sitting IS enlightenment. That's it! Very interesting. I am not sure. I think the term enlightenment is one of those emotionally laden terms like God that actually covers many different states of mind. If we just isolate the state of awareness itself from all the magical claims then I can see the case for it being a shift of attention. But it also occurs to me that intense practice of meditation does shift your attention so that it can stay that way pretty persistently. And it wouldn't surprise me if it has a physical shift of how the brain is communicating with itself. I suspect that long meditation practice can adjust how the brain functions between its parts, and this has profound implications for our sense of self which is created by this interaction. (I know reductionism again, but there it is.) Enlightenment is a loaded term. There is a shift of experience. Everything remains the same. Nothing happens. Everything is like it was before, even before one started on a path. Seeking stops. What in hell is going to happen next? The seeking was an illusion. Except when we are seeking, we think there is some truth to what we are anticipating. Anticipation has nothing to do with being here and now. That is why we are not here and now. You cannot make a mood of this. It will be a surprise, unanticipated. Learning to live with this experience is a whole new world, because everything you thought it was going to be was not what it is. Realisation is just another passing moment, replaced by whatever is going on. You are not going to get any more enlightenment than you are going to get. So, just stop striving, just Be - be aware of being aware. We have an odd agreement in this phrase Richard. I like to say that I am as enlightened up as I need to be to enjoy my life. I'm not hungry for more of an internal shift. From moment to moment I might want to tweak it a bit and use meditation and exercise as one of the tools. I can imagine how you might identify with this term as useful, even though it doesn't match my view of myself. And there is a serious problem I see with the lack of distinction between heightened states of awareness and mental problems. We are seeing that issue being played out on this board sometimes. And it is no service to the person being tormented to egg their delusions on. But the kind of quiet state of awareness shift you seem to be describing does have some real appeal for me as a POV. I don't know how it grew into so much baggage and hype though. What is with all of that sidhis nonsense? A monk told Joshu: 'I have just entered the monastery. Please teach me.' Joshu asked: 'Have you eaten your rice?' The monk replied: 'I have eaten.' Joshu said: 'Then you had better wash your bowl.' At that moment the monk was enlightened! I had a friend who went to one of those Western Advaita guys to sit for a week. Sam Harris is a fan of this. In time his mind kind of wound down and he was aware of whatever state it was that this guy was guiding them all to, some version of ineffable wholeness blah de blah de blah. When I am in the middle of a lake in my kayak I shift into something that might use these words. Or right now if I notice it. But to have it really dominate and push all the other activity out takes a bit of dedication and practice. But is it really so freak'n great that it warrants that time? It has been a long time since I defined my life in terms of internal states. Now I am interested in focusing whatever state I have in creative expression. I was talking with a teacher the other day who is collaborating on a course for teachers with me about how I used to really notice having to get up early as we did for this meeting. It used to affect my sense of who I was even, I just couldn't be as aware. Now we both agreed that it makes almost no difference to our functioning to be tired. We just show up and start chopping. And it isn't that we were claiming
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's kinda woman
Why don't you tell her instead of telling us? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Over the years, admittedly often because I provoked it, there has been speculation on this forum as to my taste in women. Most of it has been so off as to be ludicrous. For the record, this is the first video or photo I have seen in ages that left me thinking, Wow. I am in love. This is just SO my kinda woman. We'd get along. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emKY2AbC3L8 The wolves can come, too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ode to my beloved and Robin
John, I hope you are reading this. You proved me wrong. Yes enlightened don't have lust. Last week after my Guru's program I went to a nightclub with a friend because he is just a young guy 27 and likes to party. I was his designated driver. We had fun at the club. Then he wanted to go to a gentleman's club. I hesitated because I was enlightened, but then I can't be a bad friend so I went along. I was astonished John, I watched topless women and I had no lust. Rukmini - are you reading this? Once one if my Gopis said I should just give a woman the time and place to meet and let her decide. So I'm asking you out publicly. Oh my beloved, radiant one, beautiful one I am inviting you out for a date at the Hare Krishna Temple on Rose Ave and Hampton Drive in Venice. Perfect huh? And then we will go the bar on the beach - Venice Ale house. Venice, Dwarka remember? I will wait for you to show up 8 PM. Bob if my beloved doesn't show up, I'm giving you all rights to market this story to make a movie. We will get rich and do our own version of Thelma and Louise. This is Hollywood right? Love ya Bob. Obba I didn't have anything to say to you, because you already played your part right my Gopi? Remember hacked emails? Love you all. This is the last post. Is 52 a sacred number? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Steve, I'm sorry to hurt you publicly. I knew you would eventually understand. I love you, I never forgot your phone call. I just wanted to show that you didn't have to be ashamed of your innocent heart and use caustic wit to hurt. Please forgive me. And Curtis I hope you read this. You will like it since you are so fascinated my younger women. You will like this - I will be 41 next month but my Rukmini is only 27. Unlike you who cover your lust for younger women with your 7 layered deception, I was ashamed with myself that I had compromised my integrity by asking a 27 year old for a date. I didn't realize she was that young when I fell in love. I was looking for someone in 34-36 range. Because though I'm full of sexual energy, this Krishna has no perverted sexual energy. And being the epitome of honesty I have confessed all my sins and have been purified by Mother Ganges. Steve are you listening? You don't have to go to Varanasi, it's just metaphorical. Robin - got that? Liberals get it? Your fascination with Church of Liberalism results either in intellectually enlightened like Jim, Adyashanti or sexual perverts in the guise of renunciation like Muktananda or Maharishi. Rick get it? Robin get it? Only Ravi can criticize other Gurus. Rick, so you can continue to be ashamed of you heart centeredness and hide it by pretending as a wannabe intellectual, interviewing intellectually enlightened on your stupid show, getting conned day in and day out. I took it as the will of the existence that I was going to get a younger partner, after all Rukmini has to be much younger than Krishna. And I'm in no hurry, remember I have the whole of eternity. I'm also the humble servant of my Guru, I will just wait for her. Till then I will enjoy my time with Rukmini. Remember Ravi is totally at ease both in a temple or nightclub, so we both will just have fun, both at temples and nightclubs. Unlike Jim who posts out intentionally to avoid hiding his pains with his heart centeredness. I'm intentionally posting out to enjoy my time with my beloved. Get it emptybill? Yes you are right I'm a Bhogi, but my inner is Yogi. No more emails, no facebook once my beloved gets back to me. My attention will be in her. I will totally spoil her with my love. If she doesn't I will be still blessed out. Denise I hope you are reading. If my beloved doesn't get back then fine. Like feste37 says I might have just created a masterpiece that my belived Bob Price will market and I become a millionaire. And Denise I get blissed out on my pain too. So I will just wallow in my unhealed pain, and get blissed out wallowing in my pain, misery and sadness. Love you all, Ravi. On Dec 13, 2011, at 8:31 AM, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: I'm down with this. Definitely down with this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Green Dolphin Street
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Keith Jarrett plays a classic standard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCSQbxzJyoUfeature=related Trio Töykeät (the Rude ones?) plays at Pori Jazz Festival: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_mE2fa7WP0feature=related From about 7 mins onwards, it's almost oscarpetersonian, but the drum solo sucks, bad time... : / Those musicians are fantastic. The piano player knows his chord progressions well. If they were playing here in SF, I'd go and listen to them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extraordinary Results from Course on Vedic Physiology
zarzari: Maharishi came from one of the most conservative traditions in India. He would never teach us the Gayatri mantra, would he? The recitation of the Gayatri isn't neccesary in the practice of TM. That's because the Gayatri isn't considered a bija mantra in the Tantric Tradition. Since MMY, via SBS, follows the Sri Vidya, only bijas are used in TM meditation. Sri Vidya consists of 'indestructible seed' syllables rather than words, so the bijas transcend such mundane considerations as semantic meaning. Accordingly, a bija-only mantra meditation is not merely esoteric but inherently superior! Thus the Vedic Gayatri is a lower form of the Sri Vidya. According to Sri Vidya, the Gayatri gains its esoteric signigicance only when it is interpreted as Sri Vidya bija mantra. Seed-syllables (bijasaras) are the purest form of mantra. They do not make a request or praise a God. According to Brooks, the Gayatri cannot match Sri Vidya bijas because it is still in common language; it is Veda and mantra, but when transformed into the Sri Vidya bijas its greatness increases.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ode to my beloved and Robin
Ravi, You just might get what you're looking for, if you're really sincere. If you're planning to get married to your beloved, make sure that your birth charts are matching to ensure the relationship would last. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raviyogichivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: John, I hope you are reading this. You proved me wrong. Yes enlightened don't have lust. Last week after my Guru's program I went to a nightclub with a friend because he is just a young guy 27 and likes to party. I was his designated driver. We had fun at the club. Then he wanted to go to a gentleman's club. I hesitated because I was enlightened, but then I can't be a bad friend so I went along. I was astonished John, I watched topless women and I had no lust. Rukmini - are you reading this? Once one if my Gopis said I should just give a woman the time and place to meet and let her decide. So I'm asking you out publicly. Oh my beloved, radiant one, beautiful one I am inviting you out for a date at the Hare Krishna Temple on Rose Ave and Hampton Drive in Venice. Perfect huh? And then we will go the bar on the beach - Venice Ale house. Venice, Dwarka remember? I will wait for you to show up 8 PM. Bob if my beloved doesn't show up, I'm giving you all rights to market this story to make a movie. We will get rich and do our own version of Thelma and Louise. This is Hollywood right? Love ya Bob. Obba I didn't have anything to say to you, because you already played your part right my Gopi? Remember hacked emails? Love you all. This is the last post. Is 52 a sacred number? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Steve, I'm sorry to hurt you publicly. I knew you would eventually understand. I love you, I never forgot your phone call. I just wanted to show that you didn't have to be ashamed of your innocent heart and use caustic wit to hurt. Please forgive me. And Curtis I hope you read this. You will like it since you are so fascinated my younger women. You will like this - I will be 41 next month but my Rukmini is only 27. Unlike you who cover your lust for younger women with your 7 layered deception, I was ashamed with myself that I had compromised my integrity by asking a 27 year old for a date. I didn't realize she was that young when I fell in love. I was looking for someone in 34-36 range. Because though I'm full of sexual energy, this Krishna has no perverted sexual energy. And being the epitome of honesty I have confessed all my sins and have been purified by Mother Ganges. Steve are you listening? You don't have to go to Varanasi, it's just metaphorical. Robin - got that? Liberals get it? Your fascination with Church of Liberalism results either in intellectually enlightened like Jim, Adyashanti or sexual perverts in the guise of renunciation like Muktananda or Maharishi. Rick get it? Robin get it? Only Ravi can criticize other Gurus. Rick, so you can continue to be ashamed of you heart centeredness and hide it by pretending as a wannabe intellectual, interviewing intellectually enlightened on your stupid show, getting conned day in and day out. I took it as the will of the existence that I was going to get a younger partner, after all Rukmini has to be much younger than Krishna. And I'm in no hurry, remember I have the whole of eternity. I'm also the humble servant of my Guru, I will just wait for her. Till then I will enjoy my time with Rukmini. Remember Ravi is totally at ease both in a temple or nightclub, so we both will just have fun, both at temples and nightclubs. Unlike Jim who posts out intentionally to avoid hiding his pains with his heart centeredness. I'm intentionally posting out to enjoy my time with my beloved. Get it emptybill? Yes you are right I'm a Bhogi, but my inner is Yogi. No more emails, no facebook once my beloved gets back to me. My attention will be in her. I will totally spoil her with my love. If she doesn't I will be still blessed out. Denise I hope you are reading. If my beloved doesn't get back then fine. Like feste37 says I might have just created a masterpiece that my belived Bob Price will market and I become a millionaire. And Denise I get blissed out on my pain too. So I will just wallow in my unhealed pain, and get blissed out wallowing in my pain, misery and sadness. Love you all, Ravi. On Dec 13, 2011, at 8:31 AM, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: I'm down with this. Definitely down with this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ode to my beloved and Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raviyogichivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Is 52 a sacred number? Yes, it is a sacred number associated with the Lord of online silence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ode to my beloved and Robin
PS. Regarding topless or naked ladies, don't fool yourself into believing that you are enlightened. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Ravi, You just might get what you're looking for, if you're really sincere. If you're planning to get married to your beloved, make sure that your birth charts are matching to ensure the relationship would last. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raviyogichivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: John, I hope you are reading this. You proved me wrong. Yes enlightened don't have lust. Last week after my Guru's program I went to a nightclub with a friend because he is just a young guy 27 and likes to party. I was his designated driver. We had fun at the club. Then he wanted to go to a gentleman's club. I hesitated because I was enlightened, but then I can't be a bad friend so I went along. I was astonished John, I watched topless women and I had no lust. Rukmini - are you reading this? Once one if my Gopis said I should just give a woman the time and place to meet and let her decide. So I'm asking you out publicly. Oh my beloved, radiant one, beautiful one I am inviting you out for a date at the Hare Krishna Temple on Rose Ave and Hampton Drive in Venice. Perfect huh? And then we will go the bar on the beach - Venice Ale house. Venice, Dwarka remember? I will wait for you to show up 8 PM. Bob if my beloved doesn't show up, I'm giving you all rights to market this story to make a movie. We will get rich and do our own version of Thelma and Louise. This is Hollywood right? Love ya Bob. Obba I didn't have anything to say to you, because you already played your part right my Gopi? Remember hacked emails? Love you all. This is the last post. Is 52 a sacred number? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Steve, I'm sorry to hurt you publicly. I knew you would eventually understand. I love you, I never forgot your phone call. I just wanted to show that you didn't have to be ashamed of your innocent heart and use caustic wit to hurt. Please forgive me. And Curtis I hope you read this. You will like it since you are so fascinated my younger women. You will like this - I will be 41 next month but my Rukmini is only 27. Unlike you who cover your lust for younger women with your 7 layered deception, I was ashamed with myself that I had compromised my integrity by asking a 27 year old for a date. I didn't realize she was that young when I fell in love. I was looking for someone in 34-36 range. Because though I'm full of sexual energy, this Krishna has no perverted sexual energy. And being the epitome of honesty I have confessed all my sins and have been purified by Mother Ganges. Steve are you listening? You don't have to go to Varanasi, it's just metaphorical. Robin - got that? Liberals get it? Your fascination with Church of Liberalism results either in intellectually enlightened like Jim, Adyashanti or sexual perverts in the guise of renunciation like Muktananda or Maharishi. Rick get it? Robin get it? Only Ravi can criticize other Gurus. Rick, so you can continue to be ashamed of you heart centeredness and hide it by pretending as a wannabe intellectual, interviewing intellectually enlightened on your stupid show, getting conned day in and day out. I took it as the will of the existence that I was going to get a younger partner, after all Rukmini has to be much younger than Krishna. And I'm in no hurry, remember I have the whole of eternity. I'm also the humble servant of my Guru, I will just wait for her. Till then I will enjoy my time with Rukmini. Remember Ravi is totally at ease both in a temple or nightclub, so we both will just have fun, both at temples and nightclubs. Unlike Jim who posts out intentionally to avoid hiding his pains with his heart centeredness. I'm intentionally posting out to enjoy my time with my beloved. Get it emptybill? Yes you are right I'm a Bhogi, but my inner is Yogi. No more emails, no facebook once my beloved gets back to me. My attention will be in her. I will totally spoil her with my love. If she doesn't I will be still blessed out. Denise I hope you are reading. If my beloved doesn't get back then fine. Like feste37 says I might have just created a masterpiece that my belived Bob Price will market and I become a millionaire. And Denise I get blissed out on my pain too. So I will just wallow in my unhealed pain, and get blissed out wallowing in my pain, misery and sadness. Love you all, Ravi. On Dec 13, 2011, at 8:31 AM, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: I'm down with this. Definitely down with this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sometimes crazy wisdom is just crazy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Judy, already there was so much praise about this post of yours, and I agree with that! that I hardly dare to answer you, You know, I'm glad if folks liked it, but I didn't think it was *that* good! Thanks to everyone who said something nice about it, but I'm sort of mystified by all the applause. I feel as though I've written much better ones that nobody paid any attention to. ;-) I guess this one just happened to touch a chord somehow. snip ...if by detachment you mean what is generally referred to in the context of enlightenment as nonattachment, it's not necessarily obvious at all on the basis of behavior. Nonattachment is a subjective quality that may or may not be evident from behavior (especially when the only behavior one sees is the words a person writes in an electronic forum). Exactly! What I mean is that you can not make watertight rules.But I do think that the quality is bound to express itself in some way, I have seen that clearly with the sages I know. There is some very big difference, visible to anyone who spends time with them. But please you or Barry update me about the difference of detachment and non-attachment. I always thought detachment expresses that well. I think the distinction Barry and I are making is somewhat artificial; the terms are pretty much synonymous in their standard English meaning. But as I use them, detachment is psychological, can be achieved by an effort of will, and can often be evident to an observer. Nonattachment is metaphysical, spontaneous/involuntary, a function of development of consciousness, and cannot be perceived by an observer. TM's witnessing is a state of nonattachment. Nonattachment may result in the appearance of detachment, or it may not. Jesus got very angry, it seemed, at the money-changers in the temple, but what was his internal state while he was driving them out? His *behavior* didn't appear at all detached, rather the opposite; but if he wasn't overshadowed by his anger, if it didn't leave karmic traces, he was nonattached to the anger. Line drawn in air describes nonattachment. There's a lot in MMY's Gita translation/commentary about attachment and nonattachment. Another term for attachment is bondage; I believe they're equivalent. Karma is the formation of attachment to objects of experience. You're attached when you're overshadowed by relative experience. That's line engraved in stone. At least, this is my intellectual understanding. Another issue, I think is old age. With some people, reaching a certain age, mental abilities start to fail. True. But again, intellectual clarity in a person's writing would tend to rule that out. Yes. But with some people here, not you, this clarity isn't there. They are swept away by emotions, romantic phantasies, exaggerated to cosmic dimensions. I'm not sure any of them are elderly, actually. And what you describe isn't usually characteristic of a person whose mental abilities are starting to fail with age anyway. They tend to become vague and make mistakes and be forgetful, not swept away by emotion. Nor is what you describe necessarily a symptom of mental illness. Lack of inhibition *can* be such a symptom, or a person can just be uninhibited by nature. It can be at least partly cultural; some cultures are more reserved than others, some are more prone to fantasy and romanticism and exaggeration than others. MMY indulged in a lot of the latter, even in his earlier days. But he was still sharp as a tack when he needed to be; I don't think it would make sense to say he was mentally disturbed. (Caveat before Barry makes a huge to-do about it: I never met the man; I'm going by what I saw on the videotapes and other people's accounts who did spend time with him.) Then there is the issue of lonliness, isolation. Also true. But in many if not most cases, you can't tell whether a person is isolated or lonely on the basis of what they write on an electronic forum (unless they tell you). The speculation, or even the assertion, that a person whose posts one doesn't like is lonely is often used as a cheap putdown to avoid addressing what the person says, but in most cases one doesn't know whether that's true. This is not my intention to point out who is what. I just enumerate possible reasons. Definitely we know that these situations exist. And it's only honest to say so. Sure, I just wanted to make my own point about this. For people who *are* isolated, for whatever reason, electronic communication is, or can be, a very positive thing, I think, if they use it properly. Not a complete substitute for live relationships, certainly, but way better than nothing. snip The increasing use of YouTube videos, especially music videos, as a substitute for or amplification of the written
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome meeting with Maharaja-ji
Yep, evidently the Rajas have produced two domes full of liars. That is a bad feeling there as in, not a good feeling to have there underneath. These TM Rajas, that large Prime Minister in particular, push people to lie, hide and kiss ass to stay in the domes. I interviewed a person recently who was on the Mother Divine program, she remarked that to survive on Mother Divine they would all lie, hide and kiss-ass about this. In people's life the TM anti-saint policy is quite without conscience for people to participate. The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Course at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers, rising to 2500, in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Yes, it is really quite incredible that these TM Rajas should even be going against Guru Dev's very certain spiritual advice to make use of our time on earth particularly by being with saints. Oh Please! They are not going against Guru Dev, they are trying to follow the guidelines set up by Maharishi himself long ago. Now, leave Guru Dev out of this, we don't know what he would have said. MMY was entirely clear about all of this and never ever budged from his position. Maharishi was clear, at times. This policy, I know, has consolitated during the final period of his life, but it wasn't always the same. And Maharishi could make exceptions to this rule, as I already said, for example in Lelystad. I don't blame you if you don't know that, but he did budge from his position. But in setting up 'rules', he would have to teach the administration, and usually was strong about it, I agree. The Rajas have to decide to make changes that MMY never did He did. The rules before were different (for example before the Muktananda event), and he would make exceptions himself. Now, maybe Maharishi would have changed this rule by now, but don't blame the Rajas or anyone else. This rule came from Maharishi and he was BLUNT about it. I am sure he was blunt to the administration. Yet, as you say yourself, it may be time for a change. The Rajas had no problem skipping the always-wear-a-crown thing, or inviting Beatles back, and even more so, use them for publicity, something unthinkable when Maharishi was still alive. And they even loosened the saints rule a bit, don't forget, but what I suggest is, keep these changes logical and transparent. What is illogical? There is a common belief in India, that once you have found your Guru, you don't need anybody else, right? We have Maharishi, we don't need Ammachi (or whoever), thats what you would hear in private conversations. That is to say, a Guru-Disciple relationship is assumed. The problem here is, that the TM movement is not at all upfront that this is the case. They are not telling, that Maharishi is our guru, but he is supposed only to be the founder of TM, at least publicly. Now, hence the confusion. Now, with regard to Maharishi being 'Guru', if he is a Guru to the TM people involved, to what people exactly? All TM teachers? Also TM teachers who are not really teachers anymore? And: Do they know this? Next: if we assume, that Maharishi is a guru to the people, which is not publicly said, it would be still possible, that people see different saints, as long as they don't take teaching from them, or rather as long as they don't become their disciples *simultaneausly*. There is an example often cited within TM, referring to Guru Dev, not seeing another saint or speaker, who comes to town, while all the Gurubhais go there. He stays in the Ashram, as his heart is completely filled with his master. Now a guest comes, nobody is in the Ashram to receive him, except Guru Dev, taking care of him, and finally the master finds out about the story, and viola, GD is just the most dedicated and devoted disciple. When citing this story, to TM teachers or sidhas, they usually forget to say: GD was having a relationship with his master that was personal throughout, he lived with him, he watched him daily, and he lived in his vibration. He had a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP to his master. But most people concerned from these policies, may even never have seen Maharishi, or any enlightened at all! That is what Buck is pointing out completely rightly: GD says it is very important to seek the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extraordinary Results from Course on Vedic Physiology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@ wrote: curtisdeltablues: Your response really makes me think Richard. I am reading a book that explores this question from a slightly different angle. It is called, The Mind and the Brain, neuroplasticity and the power of mental force. by Schwarty and Beggley. Thanks for the info. Apparently, there's no difference between being 'enlightened' and being un-enlightened, except for one's POV. I first started thinking about this after reading some of the old Zen koans or riddles. Dogen, the founder of the Soto Zen sect in Japan, compiled many koans in the Shobogenzo. According to Shunryu Suzuki, a Soto master, the main practice of Zen is 'just sitting'. This just sitting IS enlightenment. That's it! Very interesting. I am not sure. I think the term enlightenment is one of those emotionally laden terms like God that actually covers many different states of mind. If we just isolate the state of awareness itself from all the magical claims then I can see the case for it being a shift of attention. But it also occurs to me that intense practice of meditation does shift your attention so that it can stay that way pretty persistently. And it wouldn't surprise me if it has a physical shift of how the brain is communicating with itself. I suspect that long meditation practice can adjust how the brain functions between its parts, and this has profound implications for our sense of self which is created by this interaction. (I know reductionism again, but there it is.) Enlightenment is a loaded term. There is a shift of experience. Everything remains the same. Nothing happens. Everything is like it was before, even before one started on a path. Seeking stops. What in hell is going to happen next? The seeking was an illusion. Except when we are seeking, we think there is some truth to what we are anticipating. Anticipation has nothing to do with being here and now. That is why we are not here and now. You cannot make a mood of this. It will be a surprise, unanticipated. Learning to live with this experience is a whole new world, because everything you thought it was going to be was not what it is. Do you prefer being awakened to not being having everything just happen is relaxing, but sometimes I wonder how much creativity and inventiveness would then occur. Or does the creativity just happen too? Realisation is just another passing moment, replaced by whatever is going on. You are not going to get any more enlightenment than you are going to get. So, just stop striving, just Be - be aware of being aware. We have an odd agreement in this phrase Richard. I like to say that I am as enlightened up as I need to be to enjoy my life. I'm not hungry for more of an internal shift. From moment to moment I might want to tweak it a bit and use meditation and exercise as one of the tools. I can imagine how you might identify with this term as useful, even though it doesn't match my view of myself. And there is a serious problem I see with the lack of distinction between heightened states of awareness and mental problems. We are seeing that issue being played out on this board sometimes. And it is no service to the person being tormented to egg their delusions on. But the kind of quiet state of awareness shift you seem to be describing does have some real appeal for me as a POV. I don't know how it grew into so much baggage and hype though. What is with all of that sidhis nonsense? A monk told Joshu: 'I have just entered the monastery. Please teach me.' Joshu asked: 'Have you eaten your rice?' The monk replied: 'I have eaten.' Joshu said: 'Then you had better wash your bowl.' At that moment the monk was enlightened! I had a friend who went to one of those Western Advaita guys to sit for a week. Sam Harris is a fan of this. In time his mind kind of wound down and he was aware of whatever state it was that this guy was guiding them all to, some version of ineffable wholeness blah de blah de blah. When I am in the middle of a lake in my kayak I shift into something that might use these words. Or right now if I notice it. But to have it really dominate and push all the other activity out takes a bit of dedication and practice. But is it really so freak'n great that it warrants that time? It has been a long time since I defined my life in terms of internal states. Now I am interested in focusing whatever state I have in creative expression. I was talking with a teacher the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ode to my beloved and Robin
Dear Ravi: Posting out, yes, unsubscribing, I hope not. Yes, I've been reading. Robin asking you to take a deeper look to determine if you are aware - and I use that term loosely and in an all-encompassing way. You replying today. All very sweet and humorous to me, in my current state of mind. Thank you for helping me - you did, in fact, help me quite a bit - and I appreciate it from the bottom of my heart. I've been trying to bypass my intellect. I can't communicate well from my analytical self right now. I was at one time, quite the intellect (in my line of work) and with my friends, as compared to many. Lots of analysis. But, when I mostly lost that ability about a year ago, along with everything else I knew about myself, I plunged straight into intense painful desperation on all levels. Nothing was as it seemed; I couldn't formulate thoughts. It was too tiring to think. I updated my will. I put my best friend and sister in charge of my kids, should anything happen to me. The world I knew was falling away - it still is, in many regards. Why, on earth, would I have gone to see Amma - three days of full immersion from a state of complete ignorance with my children in tow, if not completely desperate? At this point, I'm trying to just be, allow, not judge anything in the larger sense, not label, not succeed at anything - trying to stay aware, connect, feel, trust in the universe, find my intuition, and on and on. I just don't have any answers right now - not for me, not for anyone else. I don't care a whit about being right. My kids need me to be present. I'm much more compassionate with them these days - they appreciate that. I believe that my landing here at FFL was a divine intervention of some sort. I just followed the next indicated step from a suggestion on the examma site. I never did go back on anti-depressants and don't plan to at this point. I am actively attempting to reintroduce myself to myself and yes, have been feeling oodles of shame and pain. Yes, I am claiming and reframing my life and my past. Yes, I established contact with my sexual energy, or some larger energy within posing as such. Didn't expect it - couldn't help it...just allowed the whole FFL experience and all its players to wash over me again and again and again. Shit. I've never experienced anything like it - it came on suddenly and strongly - completely surreal. I don't know what the future holds. I'm just letting life unfold right now and trying to keep my head above water. I wish you the best as always, pathology or no pathology - I just take you as you come. I'm just so grateful that you responded to my cry for help. Love always, ~Em From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ode to my beloved and Robin Steve, I'm sorry to hurt you publicly. I knew you would eventually understand. I love you, I never forgot your phone call. I just wanted to show that you didn't have to be ashamed of your innocent heart and use caustic wit to hurt. Please forgive me. And Curtis I hope you read this. You will like it since you are so fascinated my younger women. You will like this - I will be 41 next month but my Rukmini is only 27. Unlike you who cover your lust for younger women with your 7 layered deception, I was ashamed with myself that I had compromised my integrity by asking a 27 year old for a date. I didn't realize she was that young when I fell in love. I was looking for someone in 34-36 range. Because though I'm full of sexual energy, this Krishna has no perverted sexual energy. And being the epitome of honesty I have confessed all my sins and have been purified by Mother Ganges. Steve are you listening? You don't have to go to Varanasi, it's just metaphorical. Robin - got that? Liberals get it? Your fascination with Church of Liberalism results either in intellectually enlightened like Jim, Adyashanti or sexual perverts in the guise of renunciation like Muktananda or Maharishi. Rick get it? Robin get it? Only Ravi can criticize other Gurus. Rick, so you can continue to be ashamed of you heart centeredness and hide it by pretending as a wannabe intellectual, interviewing intellectually enlightened on your stupid show, getting conned day in and day out. I took it as the will of the existence that I was going to get a younger partner, after all Rukmini has to be much younger than Krishna. And I'm in no hurry, remember I have the whole of eternity. I'm also the humble servant of my Guru, I will just wait for her. Till then I will enjoy my time with Rukmini. Remember Ravi is totally at ease both in a temple or nightclub, so we both will just have fun, both at temples and nightclubs. Unlike Jim who posts out intentionally to avoid
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome meeting with Maharaja-ji
The domes are full of people right now who have visited saints. Yep, evidently the Rajas have produced two domes full of liars. That is a bad feeling there as in, not a good feeling to have there underneath. These TM Rajas, that large Prime Minister in particular, push people to lie, hide and kiss ass to stay in the domes. I interviewed a person recently who was on the Mother Divine program, she remarked that to survive on Mother Divine they would all lie, hide and kiss-ass about this. In people's life the TM anti-saint policy is quite without conscience for people to participate. The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Course at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers, rising to 2500, in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Yes, it is really quite incredible that these TM Rajas should even be going against Guru Dev's very certain spiritual advice to make use of our time on earth particularly by being with saints. Oh Please! They are not going against Guru Dev, they are trying to follow the guidelines set up by Maharishi himself long ago. Now, leave Guru Dev out of this, we don't know what he would have said. MMY was entirely clear about all of this and never ever budged from his position. Maharishi was clear, at times. This policy, I know, has consolitated during the final period of his life, but it wasn't always the same. And Maharishi could make exceptions to this rule, as I already said, for example in Lelystad. I don't blame you if you don't know that, but he did budge from his position. But in setting up 'rules', he would have to teach the administration, and usually was strong about it, I agree. The Rajas have to decide to make changes that MMY never did He did. The rules before were different (for example before the Muktananda event), and he would make exceptions himself. Now, maybe Maharishi would have changed this rule by now, but don't blame the Rajas or anyone else. This rule came from Maharishi and he was BLUNT about it. I am sure he was blunt to the administration. Yet, as you say yourself, it may be time for a change. The Rajas had no problem skipping the always-wear-a-crown thing, or inviting Beatles back, and even more so, use them for publicity, something unthinkable when Maharishi was still alive. And they even loosened the saints rule a bit, don't forget, but what I suggest is, keep these changes logical and transparent. What is illogical? There is a common belief in India, that once you have found your Guru, you don't need anybody else, right? We have Maharishi, we don't need Ammachi (or whoever), thats what you would hear in private conversations. That is to say, a Guru-Disciple relationship is assumed. The problem here is, that the TM movement is not at all upfront that this is the case. They are not telling, that Maharishi is our guru, but he is supposed only to be the founder of TM, at least publicly. Now, hence the confusion. Now, with regard to Maharishi being 'Guru', if he is a Guru to the TM people involved, to what people exactly? All TM teachers? Also TM teachers who are not really teachers anymore? And: Do they know this? Next: if we assume, that Maharishi is a guru to the people, which is not publicly said, it would be still possible, that people see different saints, as long as they don't take teaching from them, or rather as long as they don't become their disciples *simultaneausly*. There is an example often cited within TM, referring to Guru Dev, not seeing another saint or speaker, who comes to town, while all the Gurubhais go there. He stays in the Ashram, as his heart is completely filled with his master. Now a guest comes, nobody is in the Ashram to receive him, except Guru Dev, taking care of him, and finally the master finds out about the story, and viola, GD is just the most dedicated and devoted disciple. When citing this story, to TM teachers or sidhas, they usually forget to say: GD was having a relationship with his master that was personal throughout, he lived with him, he watched him daily, and he lived in his vibration. He had a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP to his master. But most people concerned from
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extraordinary Results from Course on Vedic Physiology
Curtis, are you aware that Schwartz is a proponent of Intelligent Design? According to Wikipedia, Schwartz has signed the Discovery Institute's A Scientific Dissent from Darwinism. The Discovery Institute promotes the idea of Intelligent Design as a means of having creationism taught in public schools. Schwartz is most likely not a creationist per se, but he's clearly not sold on Darwin (and I wonder about his judgment getting involved with anything related to the Discovery Institute). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_M._Schwartz What you're getting into with him is mind/body dualism, something you've previously seemed to hold at a distance. Just saying. This is 50 and out for me. Back in a few days. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Your response really makes me think Richard. I am reading a book that explores this question from a slightly different angle. It is called, The Mind and the Brain, neuroplasticity and the power of mental force. by Schwarty and Beggley. It discusses a theory of how the mind influences the brain's functioning. I'll just paste in the book description from Amazon which got me interested because I am not deep enough into it to speak about it. But thanks for an deepening the question about this relationship in your response. Here is a the key excerpt: This major discovery is at the core of The Mind and the Brain: that through the power of thought, by focusing attention, human beings can use their own minds to change their brains. Here is the whole quote: The greatest scientific advances are never the result of strict adherence to convention. Often it takes an innovative maverick, someone willing to see things differently while possessing the determination and intelligence to substantiate his challenges to conventional wisdom. Jeffrey M. Schwartz, M.D., a leading neuroscientist and Research Professor of Psychiatry at the UCLA School of Medicine, an international authority on brain diseases and author of the definitive work on obsessive compulsive disorder, Brain Lock, has defied convention again in his new book, The Mind and the Brain: Neuroplasticity and the Power of Mental Force. The Mind and the Brain, written with Sharon Begley, formerly Newsweek's senior science writer and now science columnist for The Wall Street Journal, is a work as profound as it is provocative: a book that gives substantial proof that - contrary to popular scientific belief - the entity we commonly call the mind has the power to change the makeup of the physical brain. For years, there has been a division between the assumptions of hard science 'which contended that the brain functioned essentially as a machine' and our daily human experience, which seems to suggest that the mind is something different from the physical brain, a force we are capable of harnessing for our benefit. This was a conflict that always bothered Jeffrey Schwartz, who was responsible for the revolutionary Four Steps therapy that has helped patients around the world battle the effects of obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD). His therapy was grounded in cognitive-behavioural principles, which drew on a patient's own awareness of his state of mind, and involved the patient directly in his own therapy. Combining the revelations of more than two decades of research with a progressive approach influenced by the Buddhist principle of mindful awareness, Schwartz's therapy was wildly successful but it also opened a door into a much more significant revelation: while reviewing his patients' brain scans, Schwartz discovered that their self-directed therapy was actually changing the wiring of their brains. This major discovery is at the core of The Mind and the Brain: that through the power of thought, by focusing attention, human beings can use their own minds to change their brains. The scientific implications of this discovery are manifold: victims of stroke may be able to use the discovery to help reassume command of their bodies and lives, and psychiatrists treating patients with mental disorders may be able to decrease their patients' reliance on psychiatric drugs. As a therapeutic advance, then, The Mind and the Brain offers a paradigm shift that promises new treatments for conditions from dyslexia to depression. Schwartz's discovery may amount to the most conclusive scientific evidence to date of the existence of free will 'that is, the power of human beings to take an active role in the choices they make. In the book Schwartz points accusingly at the moral vacuum created by the old, materialistic worldview and raises questions of personal responsibility in a new light. Infused with the insatiable curiosity of a scientific trailblazer and the passion of a crusader, The Mind and the Brain is a daring and groundbreaking work of research and vision - one
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extraordinary Results from Course on Vedic Physiology
Judy sometimes you really come through, big thanks. I was unaware of this connection and greatly appreciate your pointing it out. I actually got the book because it seemed to push back on my POV, so it seems it will do so in spades, it is even more useful than I thought. He is a specialist in OCD disorders was all I knew about him. I notice now that Brian Josephson our old TM nobel laureate wrote a positive review on the back. Excellent! This will show me some edges of the debate I am missing. I am so bogged down in books I didn't properly research this one so thanks for helping me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Curtis, are you aware that Schwartz is a proponent of Intelligent Design? According to Wikipedia, Schwartz has signed the Discovery Institute's A Scientific Dissent from Darwinism. The Discovery Institute promotes the idea of Intelligent Design as a means of having creationism taught in public schools. Schwartz is most likely not a creationist per se, but he's clearly not sold on Darwin (and I wonder about his judgment getting involved with anything related to the Discovery Institute). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_M._Schwartz What you're getting into with him is mind/body dualism, something you've previously seemed to hold at a distance. Just saying. This is 50 and out for me. Back in a few days. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Your response really makes me think Richard. I am reading a book that explores this question from a slightly different angle. It is called, The Mind and the Brain, neuroplasticity and the power of mental force. by Schwarty and Beggley. It discusses a theory of how the mind influences the brain's functioning. I'll just paste in the book description from Amazon which got me interested because I am not deep enough into it to speak about it. But thanks for an deepening the question about this relationship in your response. Here is a the key excerpt: This major discovery is at the core of The Mind and the Brain: that through the power of thought, by focusing attention, human beings can use their own minds to change their brains. Here is the whole quote: The greatest scientific advances are never the result of strict adherence to convention. Often it takes an innovative maverick, someone willing to see things differently while possessing the determination and intelligence to substantiate his challenges to conventional wisdom. Jeffrey M. Schwartz, M.D., a leading neuroscientist and Research Professor of Psychiatry at the UCLA School of Medicine, an international authority on brain diseases and author of the definitive work on obsessive compulsive disorder, Brain Lock, has defied convention again in his new book, The Mind and the Brain: Neuroplasticity and the Power of Mental Force. The Mind and the Brain, written with Sharon Begley, formerly Newsweek's senior science writer and now science columnist for The Wall Street Journal, is a work as profound as it is provocative: a book that gives substantial proof that - contrary to popular scientific belief - the entity we commonly call the mind has the power to change the makeup of the physical brain. For years, there has been a division between the assumptions of hard science 'which contended that the brain functioned essentially as a machine' and our daily human experience, which seems to suggest that the mind is something different from the physical brain, a force we are capable of harnessing for our benefit. This was a conflict that always bothered Jeffrey Schwartz, who was responsible for the revolutionary Four Steps therapy that has helped patients around the world battle the effects of obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD). His therapy was grounded in cognitive-behavioural principles, which drew on a patient's own awareness of his state of mind, and involved the patient directly in his own therapy. Combining the revelations of more than two decades of research with a progressive approach influenced by the Buddhist principle of mindful awareness, Schwartz's therapy was wildly successful but it also opened a door into a much more significant revelation: while reviewing his patients' brain scans, Schwartz discovered that their self-directed therapy was actually changing the wiring of their brains. This major discovery is at the core of The Mind and the Brain: that through the power of thought, by focusing attention, human beings can use their own minds to change their brains. The scientific implications of this discovery are manifold: victims of stroke may be able to use the discovery to help reassume command of their bodies and lives, and psychiatrists treating patients with mental disorders may be able to decrease their patients'
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome meeting with Maharaja-ji
Given the quite strong and substantial peer-review science on all this, it would seem these Raja evidently are holding back World Peace with their anti-saint dome policy done this way they do. These poor dome numbers here have long been the problem of this policy they are keeping. It is a shame and a time is come to change it. En lieu it would not be a bad thing to prosecute them all for crimes against humanity at the World Court of International Justice in the Hague. Their own research on meditating groups coupled with their miserable dome numbers would convict them. It is a sad case. A crime. The domes are full of people right now who have visited saints. Yep, evidently the Rajas have produced two domes full of liars. That is a bad feeling there as in, not a good feeling to have there underneath. These TM Rajas, that large Prime Minister in particular, push people to lie, hide and kiss ass to stay in the domes. I interviewed a person recently who was on the Mother Divine program, she remarked that to survive on Mother Divine they would all lie, hide and kiss-ass about this. In people's life the TM anti-saint policy is quite without conscience for people to participate. The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Course at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers, rising to 2500, in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Yes, it is really quite incredible that these TM Rajas should even be going against Guru Dev's very certain spiritual advice to make use of our time on earth particularly by being with saints. Oh Please! They are not going against Guru Dev, they are trying to follow the guidelines set up by Maharishi himself long ago. Now, leave Guru Dev out of this, we don't know what he would have said. MMY was entirely clear about all of this and never ever budged from his position. Maharishi was clear, at times. This policy, I know, has consolitated during the final period of his life, but it wasn't always the same. And Maharishi could make exceptions to this rule, as I already said, for example in Lelystad. I don't blame you if you don't know that, but he did budge from his position. But in setting up 'rules', he would have to teach the administration, and usually was strong about it, I agree. The Rajas have to decide to make changes that MMY never did He did. The rules before were different (for example before the Muktananda event), and he would make exceptions himself. Now, maybe Maharishi would have changed this rule by now, but don't blame the Rajas or anyone else. This rule came from Maharishi and he was BLUNT about it. I am sure he was blunt to the administration. Yet, as you say yourself, it may be time for a change. The Rajas had no problem skipping the always-wear-a-crown thing, or inviting Beatles back, and even more so, use them for publicity, something unthinkable when Maharishi was still alive. And they even loosened the saints rule a bit, don't forget, but what I suggest is, keep these changes logical and transparent. What is illogical? There is a common belief in India, that once you have found your Guru, you don't need anybody else, right? We have Maharishi, we don't need Ammachi (or whoever), thats what you would hear in private conversations. That is to say, a Guru-Disciple relationship is assumed. The problem here is, that the TM movement is not at all upfront that this is the case. They are not telling, that Maharishi is our guru, but he is supposed only to be the founder of TM, at least publicly. Now, hence the confusion. Now, with regard to Maharishi being 'Guru', if he is a Guru to the TM people involved, to what people exactly? All TM teachers? Also TM teachers who are not really teachers anymore? And: Do they know this? Next: if we assume, that Maharishi is a guru to the people, which is not publicly said, it would be still possible, that people see different saints, as long as they don't take teaching from them, or rather as long as they don't become their disciples *simultaneausly*. There is an example often cited within TM, referring to Guru
[FairfieldLife] Why Tebow Wins?
It appears that he's running a good period in his jyotish chart. If anyone knows his birth data, please let me know. I can check it out and let everyone know what I find. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=dw-wetzel_tim_tebow_pastor_faith_121211
[FairfieldLife] Soul II Soul - Back to Life
Alright, unless I miscounted this is 50 for me. Peace out as well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB54dZkzZOYfeature=relmfu
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ode to my beloved and Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raviyogichivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Is 52 a sacred number? Yes, it is a sacred number associated with the Lord of online silence. Deep bow to our habanero eating roadie for the lords of karma.
[FairfieldLife] The Pineal Gland as Stargate
The narrator is essentially elaborating on Patanjali's sutra relating to the light or jyoti in the middle of the forehead. For those who are meditating, they may be aware of this phenomenon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenv=NcvtNdTDnJ0NR=1
[FairfieldLife] Iron sky sneak peek!
http://www.ironsky.net/sneakpeek/sneakpeek/
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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[FairfieldLife] For Curtis and Barry
Not really my topic, but I came across it in my searches, I thought you might like it. [cult-poster.jpg (251×299)]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome meeting with Maharaja-ji
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: I especially like your point about having a guru disciple relationship - you nailed it. Without that relationship, these TMO rules seem really harsh and unreasonable. So we were asked to act as if we had this discipleship going on, but were not in much contact with MMY andc ertainly got no personal guidance. Personally, I hope they change the rules, but I am annoyed by Buck's ongoing blame of the Rajas for this rule. Nope, the problem is that these TM Rajas take it the way they do now; choosing to punish people with access to the dome over the anti-saint policy. They certainly have the power and authority to do it differently. So what do you think they should do differently? The policy, as I understand it, is meant to keep people who are learning different techniques or modifications to the techniques they already know, from practicing in the Domes. What exactly is your issue with the intent, here? L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome meeting with Maharaja-ji
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Course at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers, rising to 2500, in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. And there is a belief/concern that people who are sitting with the saints are learning new practices that they will bring with them and practice in the Domes instead of the official TM and TM-Sidhis program. Do you understand that this is what the policy is meant to address? L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome meeting with Maharaja-ji
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: These TM Rajas, that large Prime Minister in particular, push people to lie, hide and kiss ass to stay in the domes. I interviewed a person recently who was on the Mother Divine program, she remarked that to survive on Mother Divine they would all lie, hide and kiss-ass about this. In people's life the TM anti-saint policy is quite without conscience for people to participate. Well, that''s definitely a problem, that people who are posing as something they are not, are posing as something they are not. I, on the other hand, try to be honest. It gets me into trouble on a regular basis, but at least I'm honest. Obviously, the people you talk to are very selfish, dishonest people. Sad, really. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome meeting with Maharaja-ji
Buck you're aware that you're commenting on your own posts, right? L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Given the quite strong and substantial peer-review science on all this, it would seem these Raja evidently are holding back World Peace with their anti-saint dome policy done this way they do. These poor dome numbers here have long been the problem of this policy they are keeping. It is a shame and a time is come to change it. En lieu it would not be a bad thing to prosecute them all for crimes against humanity at the World Court of International Justice in the Hague. Their own research on meditating groups coupled with their miserable dome numbers would convict them. It is a sad case. A crime. The domes are full of people right now who have visited saints. Yep, evidently the Rajas have produced two domes full of liars. That is a bad feeling there as in, not a good feeling to have there underneath. These TM Rajas, that large Prime Minister in particular, push people to lie, hide and kiss ass to stay in the domes. I interviewed a person recently who was on the Mother Divine program, she remarked that to survive on Mother Divine they would all lie, hide and kiss-ass about this. In people's life the TM anti-saint policy is quite without conscience for people to participate. The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Course at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers, rising to 2500, in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Yes, it is really quite incredible that these TM Rajas should even be going against Guru Dev's very certain spiritual advice to make use of our time on earth particularly by being with saints. Oh Please! They are not going against Guru Dev, they are trying to follow the guidelines set up by Maharishi himself long ago. Now, leave Guru Dev out of this, we don't know what he would have said. MMY was entirely clear about all of this and never ever budged from his position. Maharishi was clear, at times. This policy, I know, has consolitated during the final period of his life, but it wasn't always the same. And Maharishi could make exceptions to this rule, as I already said, for example in Lelystad. I don't blame you if you don't know that, but he did budge from his position. But in setting up 'rules', he would have to teach the administration, and usually was strong about it, I agree. The Rajas have to decide to make changes that MMY never did He did. The rules before were different (for example before the Muktananda event), and he would make exceptions himself. Now, maybe Maharishi would have changed this rule by now, but don't blame the Rajas or anyone else. This rule came from Maharishi and he was BLUNT about it. I am sure he was blunt to the administration. Yet, as you say yourself, it may be time for a change. The Rajas had no problem skipping the always-wear-a-crown thing, or inviting Beatles back, and even more so, use them for publicity, something unthinkable when Maharishi was still alive. And they even loosened the saints rule a bit, don't forget, but what I suggest is, keep these changes logical and transparent. What is illogical? There is a common belief in India, that once you have found your Guru, you don't need anybody else, right? We have Maharishi, we don't need Ammachi (or whoever), thats what you would hear in private conversations. That is to say, a Guru-Disciple relationship is assumed. The problem here is, that the TM movement is not at all upfront that this is the case. They are not telling, that Maharishi is our guru, but he is supposed only to be the founder of TM, at least publicly. Now, hence the confusion. Now, with regard to Maharishi being 'Guru', if he is a Guru to the TM people involved, to what people exactly? All TM teachers? Also TM teachers who are not really teachers anymore? And: Do they know this?
[FairfieldLife] Vampire girl, and meaning of 52
Vampire girl from CGArena: http://www.cgarena.com/gallery/3d/details/characters/vampirefqd092011.html ... Meaning of 52: In the Mayan calendar 1 kin = 1 day, and one castle = 52 kin. The Mayans followed the 52 year Spiritual cycle. The time required for any weekday to recur with both the same month and year days is 18,980 days, or 52 years. This is the Calendar Round. ... The Long Count has 52,000 tun = 144,000 weeks, just more than 5,125 years. The Long Count cycle will end in Dec 21, 2012, when it will again be 13.0.0.0.0. according to anthropologists who begin our current Count of just more than 5,125 years from Aug 31, 3113 BC. ... from http://kalarhythms.org/mayan-calendar/52-year-calendar-round.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ode to my beloved and Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: snip And Curtis I hope you read this. You will like it since you are so fascinated my younger women. Nothing fascinates me less than chicks in their 20's. Well almost nothing... I would rather remove my left eye with an escargot fork than date one. You will like this - I will be 41 next month but my Rukmini is only 27. I ran that routine at your age. You'll find out for yourself what the downsides are. Unlike you who cover your lust for younger women with your 7 layered deception, I was ashamed with myself that I had compromised my integrity by asking a 27 year old for a date. I love the whole *bragging about the young chick* deal within your *I'm so spiritual unlike you* put-downs. My guess is that guys her age don't flatter her like you do. I didn't realize she was that young when I fell in love. I was looking for someone in 34-36 range. Using the L word at this stage means this is probably gunna end with a restraining order. Because though I'm full of sexual energy, this Krishna has no perverted sexual energy. And being the epitome of honesty I have confessed all my sins and have been purified by Mother Ganges. The test of your conquering of lust is not in a strip club of hardbitten pole pros in a room full of wood-suppressant dudes. It will be if your infatuated attention and flattery gets your girl to try an experimental practice kiss (the kind she is working on for her actual future husband) while her firm breasts press against your chest.(the way they feel before having kids and gravity ruin them) Give us the report on the one eyed shorts guru then. You are gunna have a tough time selling any chick on your enlightened superiority. Chicks between 27 and 35 who are unmarried are looking for stability as a primary quality in a partner. Just think of that term stability and look into the mirror for a minute (without a mouthful of milk, unless you have some paper towels handy). Don't worry Ravi, many guys make a last attempt at the innocent young ones at your transitional age point,myself included. It isn't a bad thing,just know it for what it is, illusion on both sides. Understanding that would cushion the blow, a little. But of course it is impossible to hear right now. I'll check back with you when the boo hoo hoo meltdown posts start up. Get that guitar soon, you are going to need it. You are the guy who is a big fan of brutal honesty right? Steve are you listening? You don't have to go to Varanasi, it's just metaphorical. Robin - got that? Liberals get it? Your fascination with Church of Liberalism results either in intellectually enlightened like Jim, Adyashanti or sexual perverts in the guise of renunciation like Muktananda or Maharishi. Rick get it? Robin get it? Only Ravi can criticize other Gurus. Rick, so you can continue to be ashamed of you heart centeredness and hide it by pretending as a wannabe intellectual, interviewing intellectually enlightened on your stupid show, getting conned day in and day out. I took it as the will of the existence that I was going to get a younger partner, after all Rukmini has to be much younger than Krishna. And I'm in no hurry, remember I have the whole of eternity. I'm also the humble servant of my Guru, I will just wait for her. Till then I will enjoy my time with Rukmini. Remember Ravi is totally at ease both in a temple or nightclub, so we both will just have fun, both at temples and nightclubs. Unlike Jim who posts out intentionally to avoid hiding his pains with his heart centeredness. I'm intentionally posting out to enjoy my time with my beloved. Get it emptybill? Yes you are right I'm a Bhogi, but my inner is Yogi. No more emails, no facebook once my beloved gets back to me. My attention will be in her. I will totally spoil her with my love. If she doesn't I will be still blessed out. Denise I hope you are reading. If my beloved doesn't get back then fine. Like feste37 says I might have just created a masterpiece that my belived Bob Price will market and I become a millionaire. And Denise I get blissed out on my pain too. So I will just wallow in my unhealed pain, and get blissed out wallowing in my pain, misery and sadness. Love you all, Ravi. On Dec 13, 2011, at 8:31 AM, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: I'm down with this. Definitely down with this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Curtis and Barry
Nice find, thanks. I'm pretty sure most people here can relate to that sentiment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@... wrote: Not really my topic, but I came across it in my searches, I thought you might like it. [cult-poster.jpg (251×299)]
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pineal Gland as Stargate
did you read the comments people have made about the author? Im curious to know which Sutra that is, please advise. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: The narrator is essentially elaborating on Patanjali's sutra relating to the light or jyoti in the middle of the forehead. For those who are meditating, they may be aware of this phenomenon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenv=NcvtNdTDnJ0NR=1
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome meeting with Maharaja-ji
Your overblown rhetoric is part of the problem. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Yep, evidently the Rajas have produced two domes full of liars. That is a bad feeling there as in, not a good feeling to have there underneath. These TM Rajas, that large Prime Minister in particular, push people to lie, hide and kiss ass to stay in the domes. I interviewed a person recently who was on the Mother Divine program, she remarked that to survive on Mother Divine they would all lie, hide and kiss-ass about this. In people's life the TM anti-saint policy is quite without conscience for people to participate. The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Course at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers, rising to 2500, in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Yes, it is really quite incredible that these TM Rajas should even be going against Guru Dev's very certain spiritual advice to make use of our time on earth particularly by being with saints. Oh Please! They are not going against Guru Dev, they are trying to follow the guidelines set up by Maharishi himself long ago. Now, leave Guru Dev out of this, we don't know what he would have said. MMY was entirely clear about all of this and never ever budged from his position. Maharishi was clear, at times. This policy, I know, has consolitated during the final period of his life, but it wasn't always the same. And Maharishi could make exceptions to this rule, as I already said, for example in Lelystad. I don't blame you if you don't know that, but he did budge from his position. But in setting up 'rules', he would have to teach the administration, and usually was strong about it, I agree. The Rajas have to decide to make changes that MMY never did He did. The rules before were different (for example before the Muktananda event), and he would make exceptions himself. Now, maybe Maharishi would have changed this rule by now, but don't blame the Rajas or anyone else. This rule came from Maharishi and he was BLUNT about it. I am sure he was blunt to the administration. Yet, as you say yourself, it may be time for a change. The Rajas had no problem skipping the always-wear-a-crown thing, or inviting Beatles back, and even more so, use them for publicity, something unthinkable when Maharishi was still alive. And they even loosened the saints rule a bit, don't forget, but what I suggest is, keep these changes logical and transparent. What is illogical? There is a common belief in India, that once you have found your Guru, you don't need anybody else, right? We have Maharishi, we don't need Ammachi (or whoever), thats what you would hear in private conversations. That is to say, a Guru-Disciple relationship is assumed. The problem here is, that the TM movement is not at all upfront that this is the case. They are not telling, that Maharishi is our guru, but he is supposed only to be the founder of TM, at least publicly. Now, hence the confusion. Now, with regard to Maharishi being 'Guru', if he is a Guru to the TM people involved, to what people exactly? All TM teachers? Also TM teachers who are not really teachers anymore? And: Do they know this? Next: if we assume, that Maharishi is a guru to the people, which is not publicly said, it would be still possible, that people see different saints, as long as they don't take teaching from them, or rather as long as they don't become their disciples *simultaneausly*. There is an example often cited within TM, referring to Guru Dev, not seeing another saint or speaker, who comes to town, while all the Gurubhais go there. He stays in the Ashram, as his heart is completely filled with his master. Now a guest comes, nobody is in the Ashram to receive him, except Guru Dev, taking care of him, and finally the master finds out about the story, and viola, GD is just the most dedicated and devoted disciple. When citing this story, to TM teachers or sidhas, they usually forget to say: GD was having a relationship with his master that was personal throughout, he lived with him, he watched him daily, and he lived in his vibration. He had a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rajah's conflict with Saints
Actually they are doing more to diffuse conflict than anyone ever has before in the history of the world. And as for the clothes, as someone who has had to wear the academic cap and gown to preside overr a University convocation, it was no more nor less drag, nor is any bishop pope lama etc who is of less value to the world than the Rajas. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: And who teaches this course at MUM? The Rajahs in drag who can't defuse conflict in their own backyard or Maharajah Nader Ram in his clown suit. From: Buck dhamiltony2k5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome meeting with Maharaja-ji The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Course at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers, rising to 2500, in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world.
[FairfieldLife] Why not robot Saints?
from CGArena, by aiomk: Why are robots excluded? http://www.cgarena.com/gallery/3d/details/characters/aiomk072011.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Why did you stand so close? The lamb rested and fell asleep. The sharpness came from a ginsu knife, $19.95 a set. The lamb continued to peacefully sleep. The flock needs a lassie. The shepherd a reason why. Daisies in the spring from Argentina. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Graceless lady you know who I am. (Lyric from Stones song you sent me) If you are poised so elegantly and wisely on that Montana fence, why did you drop the lumber near my feet? It seemed to me the grazing sheep came too close, and one little lamb jumped right into your lap. Without really thinking you sheared him with your unthoughtout mind Before he was ready to sacrifice his lambness for your love. But your farewell words, they tell me I should still look after my flock Seeing as how I am the perfect shepherd of my own duncehood. Looks as if you still will insist on flowers. Let's do some living after we die. (Lyric from Stones song you sent me) A wall of forest looms above and sweetly the blackbird sings; all the birds make melody over me and my books and things. There sings to me the cuckoo from bush-citadels in grey hood. God's doom! May the Lord protect me writing well, under the great wood. St Gall Dreaming of cow pastures and fences is a metaphor for counting sheep. One, jump, two, jump, three, jump. Sleepy gaze as one grazes on the barley. A fence is not, as Vishnu tells of maintaining. A fence is not at birth or at death. Transition, balance, keeps me on a fence to be climbed, if one wishes to venture to the other side, my dear Kanuk pal. I straddle that lumber using my steady pace. Border guards could not keep me from climbing the slopes in Montana? Border guards could not keep me from Moose Jaw. Wild horses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07CSyTmA1Ic like fences too. If you were to unsubscribe, I would turn blue. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: I guess I must have been dreaming, obbajeeba. No sticks and stones. Hey Ravi! How about insulting, goading, provoking, violating obbajeeba *after she says this*? :-) What you have said here is fiction, baby doll. Your humour mode got the best of you. Says sourpuss Canadian lad. You areI'm doing the job of Ravi herequite beautifully sitting on the fence at al times, obbajeeba. We love you, but your charm just might be treacherous at any moment. After getting hit like this, though, obbajeeba, maybe it's time for *me* to unsubscribe. What do you say to *that*? Do I hear some cheers? Your brilliant humour is your defenceor can be. This was a stupid post, obbajeeba. But since it is not possible to insult, goad, provoke, even violate other human beings on this forum then you won't mind putting this to the test. Love from Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Pardon me if I point out it is not possible to insult, goad, provoke, even violate other human beings on this forum. There is no flesh or blood, or wine or bread. Jesus would agree. Fiction, all the above and all the below. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Dear Ravi, You must help me out, Ravi, for I am more perplexed and stymied by a particular reality than I think I have ever been over anything I have experienced in my life. Now this is going to be a little complicated, but I am going to do my best to clarify just what my question is to you (which I would like answered), so that I can resolve this mystery. The mystery, of course, is all about you. You see, RaviI am going to say something terribly obvious here, so stay with me,you do insult, goad, provoke, even violate other human beings on this forum. Now, whenever someone actually unjustifiably does something like this, there is always evidenceat least there has always been for me, even when I was a young childof the malice, hatred, frustration, violence, resentmentor whatever: something negative in other wordsin the person who does this. Even, I believe if there in fact is some *justifiable* basis for going after a person; hardly anyone knows how to do this without exhibiting something deficient or distorted in themselvesJudy is an exception to this; or at least so I believe. Whatever Judy's problem iswhich I am not privy toit is not evidently a personal one. There may be something intrinsically problematic about the existential Judy, but for all we know, she could be a tough love secular saint. That's my read on her anyhow. But let me get back to my main point: Ravi, in your creative confrontationswhat I would like to from here on refer to as the Ravi Transgressive Mode (RTM)not
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
The flock needs a lassie. No problema - here's one by Dani Garcia: http://www.cgarena.com/gallery/3d/details/characters/magamix052011.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Why did you stand so close? The lamb rested and fell asleep. The sharpness came from a ginsu knife, $19.95 a set. The lamb continued to peacefully sleep. The flock needs a lassie. The shepherd a reason why. Daisies in the spring from Argentina. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Graceless lady you know who I am. (Lyric from Stones song you sent me) If you are poised so elegantly and wisely on that Montana fence, why did you drop the lumber near my feet? It seemed to me the grazing sheep came too close, and one little lamb jumped right into your lap. Without really thinking you sheared him with your unthoughtout mind Before he was ready to sacrifice his lambness for your love. But your farewell words, they tell me I should still look after my flock Seeing as how I am the perfect shepherd of my own duncehood. Looks as if you still will insist on flowers. Let's do some living after we die. (Lyric from Stones song you sent me) A wall of forest looms above and sweetly the blackbird sings; all the birds make melody over me and my books and things. There sings to me the cuckoo from bush-citadels in grey hood. God's doom! May the Lord protect me writing well, under the great wood. St Gall Dreaming of cow pastures and fences is a metaphor for counting sheep. One, jump, two, jump, three, jump. Sleepy gaze as one grazes on the barley. A fence is not, as Vishnu tells of maintaining. A fence is not at birth or at death. Transition, balance, keeps me on a fence to be climbed, if one wishes to venture to the other side, my dear Kanuk pal. I straddle that lumber using my steady pace. Border guards could not keep me from climbing the slopes in Montana? Border guards could not keep me from Moose Jaw. Wild horses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07CSyTmA1Ic like fences too. If you were to unsubscribe, I would turn blue. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: I guess I must have been dreaming, obbajeeba. No sticks and stones. Hey Ravi! How about insulting, goading, provoking, violating obbajeeba *after she says this*? :-) What you have said here is fiction, baby doll. Your humour mode got the best of you. Says sourpuss Canadian lad. You areI'm doing the job of Ravi herequite beautifully sitting on the fence at al times, obbajeeba. We love you, but your charm just might be treacherous at any moment. After getting hit like this, though, obbajeeba, maybe it's time for *me* to unsubscribe. What do you say to *that*? Do I hear some cheers? Your brilliant humour is your defenceor can be. This was a stupid post, obbajeeba. But since it is not possible to insult, goad, provoke, even violate other human beings on this forum then you won't mind putting this to the test. Love from Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Pardon me if I point out it is not possible to insult, goad, provoke, even violate other human beings on this forum. There is no flesh or blood, or wine or bread. Jesus would agree. Fiction, all the above and all the below. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Dear Ravi, You must help me out, Ravi, for I am more perplexed and stymied by a particular reality than I think I have ever been over anything I have experienced in my life. Now this is going to be a little complicated, but I am going to do my best to clarify just what my question is to you (which I would like answered), so that I can resolve this mystery. The mystery, of course, is all about you. You see, RaviI am going to say something terribly obvious here, so stay with me,you do insult, goad, provoke, even violate other human beings on this forum. Now, whenever someone actually unjustifiably does something like this, there is always evidenceat least there has always been for me, even when I was a young childof the malice, hatred, frustration, violence, resentmentor whatever: something negative in other wordsin the person who does this. Even, I believe if there in fact is some *justifiable* basis for going after a person; hardly anyone knows how to do this without exhibiting something deficient or distorted in themselvesJudy is an exception to this; or at least so I believe. Whatever Judy's problem iswhich I am not privy
[FairfieldLife] Thirsty Fairy
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[FairfieldLife] Under the Sun
by Gustavo Rios de Olveira, Brazil... http://www.cgarena.com/gallery/3d/details/characters/underthesunhmu032011.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pineal Gland as Stargate
Yes, I've read the comments. It appears that the commenters are not familiar with the sutra written by Patanjali. The sutra is in Chapter 3, verse 32. http://www.swamivenkatesananda.org/clientuploads/publications_online/Enlightened%20Living%20by%20Swami%20Venkatesananda.pdf If you can see this light in your forehead, you should focus your attention on that light while in samadhi, TC in TM speak. You will see ethereal figures appearing as triangles, circles, or squares. Eventually, without any effort, you will see visions of people as Patanjali mentioned. IMO, this is the technique that Srila Prabhupada mentioned in his commentary to the Srimad Bhagavatam. He stated that the ancient rishis were able to visit other planets and worlds while in meditation. Also, according to Deepak Chopra, MMY stated that some TMers were able to see the lunar landscape while in TC. Thus, it is fair to say that the pineal gland or the third eye is a stargate to see the spiritual world and perhaps even other planets in this universe. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukra69@... wrote: did you read the comments people have made about the author? Im curious to know which Sutra that is, please advise. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: The narrator is essentially elaborating on Patanjali's sutra relating to the light or jyoti in the middle of the forehead. For those who are meditating, they may be aware of this phenomenon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenv=NcvtNdTDnJ0NR=1
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ode to my beloved and Robin
A heart of wisdom. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: snip And Curtis I hope you read this. You will like it since you are so fascinated my younger women. Nothing fascinates me less than chicks in their 20's. Well almost nothing... I would rather remove my left eye with an escargot fork than date one. You will like this - I will be 41 next month but my Rukmini is only 27. I ran that routine at your age. You'll find out for yourself what the downsides are. Unlike you who cover your lust for younger women with your 7 layered deception, I was ashamed with myself that I had compromised my integrity by asking a 27 year old for a date. I love the whole *bragging about the young chick* deal within your *I'm so spiritual unlike you* put-downs. My guess is that guys her age don't flatter her like you do. I didn't realize she was that young when I fell in love. I was looking for someone in 34-36 range. Using the L word at this stage means this is probably gunna end with a restraining order. Because though I'm full of sexual energy, this Krishna has no perverted sexual energy. And being the epitome of honesty I have confessed all my sins and have been purified by Mother Ganges. The test of your conquering of lust is not in a strip club of hardbitten pole pros in a room full of wood-suppressant dudes. It will be if your infatuated attention and flattery gets your girl to try an experimental practice kiss (the kind she is working on for her actual future husband) while her firm breasts press against your chest.(the way they feel before having kids and gravity ruin them) Give us the report on the one eyed shorts guru then. You are gunna have a tough time selling any chick on your enlightened superiority. Chicks between 27 and 35 who are unmarried are looking for stability as a primary quality in a partner. Just think of that term stability and look into the mirror for a minute (without a mouthful of milk, unless you have some paper towels handy). Don't worry Ravi, many guys make a last attempt at the innocent young ones at your transitional age point,myself included. It isn't a bad thing,just know it for what it is, illusion on both sides. Understanding that would cushion the blow, a little. But of course it is impossible to hear right now. I'll check back with you when the boo hoo hoo meltdown posts start up. Get that guitar soon, you are going to need it. You are the guy who is a big fan of brutal honesty right? Steve are you listening? You don't have to go to Varanasi, it's just metaphorical. Robin - got that? Liberals get it? Your fascination with Church of Liberalism results either in intellectually enlightened like Jim, Adyashanti or sexual perverts in the guise of renunciation like Muktananda or Maharishi. Rick get it? Robin get it? Only Ravi can criticize other Gurus. Rick, so you can continue to be ashamed of you heart centeredness and hide it by pretending as a wannabe intellectual, interviewing intellectually enlightened on your stupid show, getting conned day in and day out. I took it as the will of the existence that I was going to get a younger partner, after all Rukmini has to be much younger than Krishna. And I'm in no hurry, remember I have the whole of eternity. I'm also the humble servant of my Guru, I will just wait for her. Till then I will enjoy my time with Rukmini. Remember Ravi is totally at ease both in a temple or nightclub, so we both will just have fun, both at temples and nightclubs. Unlike Jim who posts out intentionally to avoid hiding his pains with his heart centeredness. I'm intentionally posting out to enjoy my time with my beloved. Get it emptybill? Yes you are right I'm a Bhogi, but my inner is Yogi. No more emails, no facebook once my beloved gets back to me. My attention will be in her. I will totally spoil her with my love. If she doesn't I will be still blessed out. Denise I hope you are reading. If my beloved doesn't get back then fine. Like feste37 says I might have just created a masterpiece that my belived Bob Price will market and I become a millionaire. And Denise I get blissed out on my pain too. So I will just wallow in my unhealed pain, and get blissed out wallowing in my pain, misery and sadness. Love you all, Ravi. On Dec 13, 2011, at 8:31 AM, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: I'm down with this. Definitely down with this.
[FairfieldLife] Ganesh
http://www.cgarena.com/gallery/3d/details/characters/ganeshacml122010.html
[FairfieldLife] Angel
by Edward Fleissig: http://www.cgarena.com/gallery/3d/details/characters/edward_fleissigkbi082010.html
[FairfieldLife] True identity of Patanjali
from CGArena: http://www.cgarena.com/gallery/3d/details/characters/yodaodm082010.html
[FairfieldLife] Shivarender
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[FairfieldLife] She Dragon
http://www.cgarena.com/gallery/3d/details/characters/shedragonrej082010.html
[FairfieldLife] Goddess Raj
http://www.cgarena.com/gallery/3d/details/characters/goddessraj082010.html
[FairfieldLife] In the Golden Forest
http://www.cgarena.com/gallery/3d/details/characters/golden_foresqbv082010.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vampire girl, and meaning of 52
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: Vampire girl from CGArena: http://www.cgarena.com/gallery/3d/details/characters/vampirefqd092011.ht\ ml http://www.cgarena.com/gallery/3d/details/characters/vampirefqd092011.h\ tml Is she possibly related to this girl? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jrJ5mcCshwfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jrJ5mcCshwfeature=related ... Meaning of 52: In the Mayan calendar 1 kin = 1 day, and one castle = 52 kin. The Mayans followed the 52 year Spiritual cycle. The time required for any weekday to recur with both the same month and year days is 18,980 days, or 52 years. This is the Calendar Round. ... The Long Count has 52,000 tun = 144,000 weeks, just more than 5,125 years. The Long Count cycle will end in Dec 21, 2012, when it will again be 13.0.0.0.0. according to anthropologists who begin our current Count of just more than 5,125 years from Aug 31, 3113 BC. ... from http://kalarhythms.org/mayan-calendar/52-year-calendar-round.htm
[FairfieldLife] Alabama Republican is a Secret Sperm Donor
There you have it. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/alabama-republican-leading-secret-life-sperm-donor-zealand-223358558.html
[FairfieldLife] John Douglas
Anyone had any experience with this healer? Done sessions? Taken workshops? Experienced a cure?
[FairfieldLife] Higgs Boson Cornered
The God Particle may have been found. http://news.yahoo.com/long-sought-god-particle-cornered-scientists-140202981.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: On second thought, I think you right in all that you say here, Steve. I will try to be more careful next time. And you are certainly correct about Curtis: My response is always inferior to Curtis's. I have never doubted this, Steve. But I certainly have attempted to make it seem as if this might not be true. Now you have told the truth. I am vanquishedat least in my pride. I needed this. And I feel much better having admitted to my weakness. Perhaps you could act as an intermediary between Curtis and myself. It is going to take some time for me to overcome the egregious error I have madebut that's what pride and envy can do to a guy. Thanks from the lonely Canadian. I like negative or damning adjudicationsit's humiliation that ennobles my soul. Whew. All the way from St Louis: smackdown. That Ravi guy, what a fucking asshole. I only defended him, Steve, because he was so nice to me. If he had attacked me like he did Curtis, I would not have been as calm and deadly as Curtis was. I would be shrieking blue murder. Too bad about Sidney. And Albert. Steve: Okay, you have humiliated me a little. I enjoy your posts immensely. Sometimes I am short of time, especially in the mornings and have to scim them. But if someone makes an implication about anothers sexual preferences, then I think that implication is generally inappropiate. Robin: I am not going to argue with you about this, Steve: how could I? I only say that there is a mystery here, and however justified Curtis was in his defence of his personal honourhaving been attacked by Ravihe acted only after Ravi overposted. Bob Price challenged him far more profoundly in two posts which Curtis chose not to answer. I don't take issue with Curtis responding to Raviand he could not have composed a more devastating and effective post; but in approaching his critic (Ravi) he made sure that the person he was addressing conformed to Curtis's determination of who Curtis decided Ravi was as a human being. Had Curtis done the more courageous thing, he would have certainly come back at Ravi, but he would have done this without necessarily insinuating that Ravi was nothing but a fool and an immature asshole. Curtis made sure, by how he contextualized Ravi on the basis of what Ravi had said about Curtis, that every reader at FFL would conclude from what Curtis said, that Ravi was only this. Whereas, the significance of Ravi having insulted Curtis, carries with itand it does whenever he transgresses against any of usa certain mystical and strangely inaccessible context which goes to the mystery of who this person Ravi Chivukula is. In the background of this insolent disparagement of Curtis were my two open letters to Ravi and his responsesespecially to the second open letter. Now however unpredictable and reckless and even gratuitous are Ravi's attacks on other personsand I admit that the whole area of sexuality has to be out of bounds because no one that I know really has any kind of ultimate integrity here [integrity sexually meaning the person has perfect control over this and it is never a danger to their own self-esteem: sexuality and money are in my opinion metaphysically beyond the jurisdiction of perfect understanding]there is evidence that Ravi cannot simply be judged on the basis of what he said about Curtis. Curtis has essentially made Ravi not only accountable for what he said; but Curtis has gone far beyond this: he has ridiculed Ravi right out of having any kind of prestige or credibility at FFL. Curtis is a very strong and powerful person, and when he does what he did here, he places Ravi in a placein the minds of FFL readerswhere no one spontaneously can taken him seriously again. This is what I was getting at my implication in my post to obbajeeba. Steve: I thought Ravi's implication had a wink, wink, nod, nod, tone about it and deserved a sharp response which was given. Robin: I don't take *anything* that Ravi does or says out of the context of the total person that I am trying my best to fathom. As I say, if one isolates a particular act of Ravi's and implicitly draws from this a conclusion about the kind of person Ravi must be, then we escape from the more important responsibility of trying to understand who Ravi Chivukula is. Now for me, Steve, what Ravi has done is to make himself someone whom I cannot process within the psychological and metaphysical paradigm I have been developing and refining all my life. I think there is somethingthis is but an intuition based upon his writingsto learn here about who Ravi is. The phenomenon of Ravi Chivukula. He defies the classification that I have successfully applied to everyone else. And this, for me at least, is a profound mystery (vide my second open letter). Now what I
