[FairfieldLife] Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
Thanks for speaking up. As I have made clear in the past, I don't interact with Robin because I believe to do so is to become a codependent in helping an already mentally ill person to become more so. But it's been sad to see him reel in naive people here and do pretty much exactly what you describe. I have watched Fairfield Life and the general dance of spiritual naivete far too long to believe that those who have been sucked into his web will actually learn from what you said. In fact, they'll probably attack you for doing it. But thank you very much for trying. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Lord Knows lordknows888@... wrote: Dear Robin, I know you well, I was in the inner circle of your followers. I lived in the group house you named Annapurna in Victoria. I fully experienced what ultimately became a waking nightmare in being a member of your cult. I have a vivid memory of the day when a member of the group who had been extremely close to you attempted suicide after you ruthlessly confronted her and declared her to be an evil being who was only appearing in the guise of a human being. I remember the meeting at Heronwater in which you spoke with ice cold disdain about her when the news came of her attempted suicide, your only concern was to send someone to her apartment to collect any items from her belongings that could connect her to you. This is a fact, a horrible ugly fact which could be verified by all the people in that room, about 15 members of the inner circle.I am not proud of my involvement in this and many other heartless atrocities that took place over the years I was associated with you. In due time my turn came to be on the receiving end of an ultimate pronouncement on my soul as being irretrievably lost and after being brutally confronted by you and the whole group I was ejected from the cult with great scorn. This was the standard operating procedure and happened to many others over the years. Robin I have a simple question for you, what in your background gives you the the standing, the credibility to make pronouncements about the ultimate value of the Eastern Spiritual tradition and declare the death of Christianity? I would have thought that if you were truly remorseful for the harm you had done to so many people, the last thing you would have wanted to do is to give into the temptation to represent yourself as an authority capable of passing judgment on whole spiritual traditions as well as in some instances making harsh judgments about individuals on FFL. Robin you were never enlightened nothing could be more obvious. The biographies of enlightened teachers down through time are filled with stories of their extraordinary love, compassion and sacrifice in being of profound service to their followers. Yours is a record of extraordinary abuse done to your followers. I care not a whit for your experience of enlightenment it is all words, words, words. You did not walk the talk, you were never enlightened. In my opinion you were someone who was mentally unbalanced who had a very expansive spiritual experience whose ego appropriated it instantly and you ran with it. You have natural gifts of intellect and charisma which made it possible for you to attract a small group around you who fell for it hook, line, and sinker. The center piece of your unique revelations as an enlightened man was the imperative to confront your followers in order to expose the demonic and then expel it. Where in the biographies of enlightened sages do you find this method being used to enlighten the disciples? The idea that you were faithful and true to Maharishi and his teaching is pure fiction that lives on in your mind and your mind alone.   To put into perspective and accurate chronology your revelation about the Eastern spiritual tradition, it came in 1987 when you told the group that the the mantras we received through TM were the names of demons or fallen angels. It did not come years later after you had purged yourself of your supposed enlightenment.It was while you were still in a self admitted deeply disturbed state that you received this truth, and not as you have represented here as coming years later. In fact at the time this revelation came to you, you also believed that your wife was the incarnation of the devil and that Jewish people were evil. This was the nature of your very disturbed mind when you had the revelation that the whole Eastern spiritual tradition was satanic.  The one new conclusion that you have offered here on FFL is that the Christian tradition and most significantly the Catholic tradition no longer has any spiritual substance whatsoever and has not since the bombing by the Allies of the monastery of Monte Cassino (1945) during World War II. A very strange and eccentric theory, which is at odds with the example of Mother
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[FairfieldLife] Information on Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Definitions Narcissism, as in excessive or erotic interest in oneself and one's physical appearance. noun (See egotism) definition: Psychology; extreme selfishness, with a grandiose view of one's own talents and a craving for admiration, as characterizing a personality type. Psychoanalysis; self-centeredness arising from failure to distinguish the self from external objects, either in very young babies or as a feature of mental disorder. Someone with Narcissistic Personality disorder (NPD) has at least 5 of these symptoms: * has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) * is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love * believes that he or she is special and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) * requires excessive admiration * has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations * is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends * lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others * is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her * shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes Associated Features: Depressed Mood, Dramatic or Erratic or Antisocial Personality Differential Diagnosis. Not everyone who acts like a narcissist is one. Some disorders have similar or even the same symptoms such as: http://www.narcissism101.com/Beginning/personalitydisor.html ⨠http://www.narcissism101.com/Beginning/personalitydisor.html Histrionic Personality Disorder;⨠Antisocial Personality Disorder; â¨Borderline Personality Disorder;⨠Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder;â¨S chizotypal Personality Disorder;⨠Paranoid Personality Disorder;⨠Manic Episodes;⨠Hypomanic Episodes;⨠Personality Change Due to a General Medical Condition;⨠Symptoms that may develop in association with chronic substance use. Psychology Today: A Field Guide To Narcissism Link http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20051209-05.html Here are some more signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder to look out for: * Jealousy and possessiveness * Excessive need to feel special, adored, loved, appreciated, or admired * Rage attacks when you do not sufficiently meet his/her needs * Controlling behaviors (trying to control how you spend your time, who you talk to, how you dress, etc.) * Inflated self-esteem, or grandiosity (bragging, fishing for compliments) * Dramatic, insecure behaviors * Expecting you to take responsibility for making him/her feel better about him/herself * Blaming you for behaviors or feelings (i.e., YOU made me do this, or YOU made me feel this way.) * Not taking responsibility for angry behavior and justifying angry outbursts * An attitude that demonstrates the world revolves around me and you need to cater to my ideas, opinions, thoughts, and feelings. * An unwillingness to reflect on his/her own behaviors⨠Half the harm that is done in this world Is due to people who want to feel important They don't mean to do harm But the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it Because they are absorbed in the endless struggle To think well of themselves. T. S. Eliot
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mitt just can't help himself
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: This has been making the rounds for quite some time (since February, in fact). It's a Photoshop job. Here's the original AP photo: http://i.huffpost.com/gen/490196/thumbs/s-MITT-ROMNEY-RMONEY-large640.jpg Not the first time the Turq posts photoshopjobs here as if they are originals ...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mitt just can't help himself
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: This has been making the rounds for quite some time (since February, in fact). It's a Photoshop job. Here's the original AP photo: http://i.huffpost.com/gen/490196/thumbs/s-MITT-ROMNEY-RMONEY-large640.jpg Not the first time the Turq posts photoshopjobs here as if they are originals ... Nabby seems to be forgetting that only yesterday he weighed in as the photography expert he claims to be and said that this photo was *not* Photoshopped. :-) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316328 I can only assume that his faulty memory is caused by the same unreasoning hatred and need to get critics of TM and Maharishi as the resident cult apologist. We should have compassion; its a disease. Photoshopped or not, it's funny, and an accurate portrayal of the man and what he stands for.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
This would make an excellent starting point for a RWC and WTS FAQ, in my opinion. It’s the bitch-slap of enlightened insight. Thanks for taking the time, effort and emotional digging it took to write this. And ditto on wishing RWC the best - think of it as a ‘shirts off bear hug' R. :-). On Aug 6, 2012, at 9:25 PM, Lord Knows lordknows...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Robin, I know you well, I was in the inner circle of your followers. I lived in the group house you named Annapurna in Victoria. I fully experienced what ultimately became a waking nightmare in being a member of your cult. I have a vivid memory of the day when a member of the group who had been extremely close to you attempted suicide after you ruthlessly confronted her and declared her to be an evil being who was only appearing in the guise of a human being. I remember the meeting at Heronwater in which you spoke with ice cold disdain about her when the news came of her attempted suicide, your only concern was to send someone to her apartment to collect any items from her belongings that could connect her to you. This is a fact, a horrible ugly fact which could be verified by all the people in that room, about 15 members of the inner circle.I am not proud of my involvement in this and many other heartless atrocities that took place over the years I was associated with you. In due time my turn came to be on the receiving end of an ultimate pronouncement on my soul as being irretrievably lost and after being brutally confronted by you and the whole group I was ejected from the cult with great scorn. This was the standard operating procedure and happened to many others over the years. Robin I have a simple question for you, what in your background gives you the the standing, the credibility to make pronouncements about the ultimate value of the Eastern Spiritual tradition and declare the death of Christianity? I would have thought that if you were truly remorseful for the harm you had done to so many people, the last thing you would have wanted to do is to give into the temptation to represent yourself as an authority capable of passing judgment on whole spiritual traditions as well as in some instances making harsh judgments about individuals on FFL. Robin you were never enlightened nothing could be more obvious. The biographies of enlightened teachers down through time are filled with stories of their extraordinary love, compassion and sacrifice in being of profound service to their followers. Yours is a record of extraordinary abuse done to your followers. I care not a whit for your experience of enlightenment it is all words, words, words. You did not walk the talk, you were never enlightened. In my opinion you were someone who was mentally unbalanced who had a very expansive spiritual experience whose ego appropriated it instantly and you ran with it. You have natural gifts of intellect and charisma which made it possible for you to attract a small group around you who fell for it hook, line, and sinker. The center piece of your unique revelations as an enlightened man was the imperative to confront your followers in order to expose the demonic and then expel it. Where in the biographies of enlightened sages do you find this method being used to enlighten the disciples? The idea that you were faithful and true to Maharishi and his teaching is pure fiction that lives on in your mind and your mind alone. To put into perspective and accurate chronology your revelation about the Eastern spiritual tradition, it came in 1987 when you told the group that the the mantras we received through TM were the names of demons or fallen angels. It did not come years later after you had purged yourself of your supposed enlightenment.It was while you were still in a self admitted deeply disturbed state that you received this truth, and not as you have represented here as coming years later. In fact at the time this revelation came to you, you also believed that your wife was the incarnation of the devil and that Jewish people were evil. This was the nature of your very disturbed mind when you had the revelation that the whole Eastern spiritual tradition was satanic. The one new conclusion that you have offered here on FFL is that the Christian tradition and most significantly the Catholic tradition no longer has any spiritual substance whatsoever and has not since the bombing by the Allies of the monastery of Monte Cassino (1945) during World War II. A very strange and eccentric theory, which is at odds with the example of Mother Teresa's life (1910-1997) and also that of saint Padre Pio (1887-1968), to give just two prominent examples. Robin your record of accuracy on your grand theories and insights is abysmal. A pharmacy student in college is allowed only 3 occasions of lethal errors in making up prescriptions before
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curiosity Has Landed!
got the joy of living and re-living http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti_yre6dsa4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti_yre6dsa4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTjSDScEyfc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTjSDScEyfc got the fun of sharing [:D] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkil7mlpspI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkil7mlpspI [http://www.bloomberg.com/image/ivQNiFG73kd8.jpg] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 08/05/2012 10:34 PM, John wrote: Cheers! http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-live-stream-coverage-20120309.html I watched it on NASA TV but kept thinking it almost looked staged. Hollywood couldn't have done it better. Now for them to find an artifact and hope they still show it to us. There are some things up there from previous pictures that even NASA doesn't know what to make of. They don't look natural.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
Wonder if there could be even the remotest of possibilities that the entities Robin and Lordknows occupy(?) exactly the same space-time coordinates... ;D --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: This would make an excellent starting point for a RWC and WTS FAQ, in my opinion. It's the bitch-slap of enlightened insight. Thanks for taking the time, effort and emotional digging it took to write this. And ditto on wishing RWC the best - think of it as a `shirts off bear hug' R. :-). On Aug 6, 2012, at 9:25 PM, Lord Knows lordknows888@... wrote: Dear Robin, I know you well, I was in the inner circle of your followers. I lived in the group house you named Annapurna in Victoria. I fully
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
I have never been a spiritual leader, or a leader of any kind, so I have never had followers. My task has been different. In that respect, there may well be legions of girlfriends, semi-girlfriends, sort-of girlfriends from way back in the 1980s who if they wanted to might well be able to write a screed here on FFL about what a jerk I was in those days. And maybe they would be right. But we all work on our stuff, and we are not the same people we were. We improve. We learn things. And what counts is not so much what we did but what we are now. Best to you, Robin. I hope you continue to post here because I enjoy your contributions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Dear Lord Knows, I don't think it is possible to answer to your accusations here and even try to dispute your account of those years you knew me. I am not the person you depict in your indictment of me. Those who know me best (including persons who were there at the beginning, some 35 years ago, and remain in close contact with me even now) know me as I am. They would not agree with your assessment of my character or my motivation. And they would, in your presence, claim to have a more profound understanding of me than is revealed by what you say about me in your post at FFL. If your judgment is the correct one, there will have to be a consensus about this. And if someone who has known me through these last twenty-five years believes your judgment of me is essentially false, you will have to consider that as contradicting what you so sincerely believe is the truth about me. I certainly am not prepared to defend anything I did during those ten years when I was enlightened--certainly not the incidents you cite in your case against me. But that you have got the person Robin in your sights in a way which is meaningfully related to who I am, there is where I believe you are very much mistaken. I cannot and will not attempt to justify my actions while I was enlightened, but in terms of where I have come since then I do not recognize myself in your portrayal of me here. And either would anyone who has known me through this past quarter of a century. I can never hope to challenge your interpretation of me based upon the evidence you present here during that time you knew me; but in my conscience and in my soul my conviction of the wrongness of your estimation of me now compels me to protest the unfairness, the inaccuracy, and the unnaturalness of your analysis of me. The person Robin is not who you would have me be. I am not that person. In speaking about Eastern or Western traditions I am merely exercising my free speech and what I have to say is based upon my own personal history, my reading, and my sense of what is true. I am not seeking for anyone to follow me, and I doubt that anyone on this forum feels in any way that I am not playing by the rules. Of course you are entitled to your extremely severe appraisal of my sanity and my integrity; and if you are essentially right about me, it is indeed a terrible thing for me to believe, as I do certainly believe, that you are prejudiced and blind in the damning conclusion you have reached about the person that I am. Now. Only good, however, can come from someone who speaks as you have spoken, and who has laid out the case against me in the way that you have. I suppose it was inevitable that this would happen. And I am glad it has. In the end it will be what the Creator makes of all this that counts, and I hope that he sees things more from my perspective than from your perspective. I will pray for you, as you evidently have already prayed for me. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Lord Knows lordknows888@ wrote: Dear Robin, I know you well, I was in the inner circle of your followers. I lived in the group house you named Annapurna in Victoria. I fully experienced what ultimately became a waking nightmare in being a member of your cult. I have a vivid memory of the day when a member of the group who had been extremely close to you attempted suicide after you ruthlessly confronted her and declared her to be an evil being who was only appearing in the guise of a human being. I remember the meeting at Heronwater in which you spoke with ice cold disdain about her when the news came of her attempted suicide, your only concern was to send someone to her apartment to collect any items from her belongings that could connect her to you. This is a fact, a horrible ugly fact which could be verified by all the people in that room, about 15 members of the inner circle.I am not proud of my involvement in this and many other heartless atrocities that took place over the years I was associated with you. In due time my turn came to be on the receiving end of an ultimate pronouncement on my soul as being
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mitt just can't help himself
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: This has been making the rounds for quite some time (since February, in fact). It's a Photoshop job. Here's the original AP photo: http://i.huffpost.com/gen/490196/thumbs/s-MITT-ROMNEY-RMONEY-large640.jpg Not the first time the Turq posts photoshopjobs here as if they are originals ... Nabby seems to be forgetting that only yesterday he weighed in as the photography expert he claims to be and said that this photo was *not* Photoshopped. :-) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316328 That's right, but I didn't study it in photoshop. If I did I would probably have discovered it was doctored, just like the many other pictures you have posted here over the years :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Thanks for speaking up. As I have made clear in the past, I don't interact with Robin because I believe to do so is to become a codependent in helping an already mentally ill person to become more so. But it's been sad to see him reel in naive people here and do pretty much exactly what you describe. I have watched Fairfield Life and the general dance of spiritual naivete far too long to believe that those who have been sucked into his web will actually learn from what you said. In fact, they'll probably attack you for doing it. But thank you very much for trying. Barry, I agree 100% and could not have said it better. And for Lordknows, given what you went through all those years ago, I think your post was not only informative and accurate and insightful, but rather generous to Robin. He had and has apparently incredible charisma, intellect and ability to attract people. I , too wish him well in dealing with such a combination of characteristics. Glad you made it out and away and on to your life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Lord Knows lordknows888@ wrote: Dear Robin, I know you well, I was in the inner circle of your followers. I lived in the group house you named Annapurna in Victoria. I fully experienced what ultimately became a waking nightmare in being a member of your cult. I have a vivid memory of the day when a member of the group who had been extremely close to you attempted suicide after you ruthlessly confronted her and declared her to be an evil being who was only appearing in the guise of a human being. I remember the meeting at Heronwater in which you spoke with ice cold disdain about her when the news came of her attempted suicide, your only concern was to send someone to her apartment to collect any items from her belongings that could connect her to you. This is a fact, a horrible ugly fact which could be verified by all the people in that room, about 15 members of the inner circle.I am not proud of my involvement in this and many other heartless atrocities that took place over the years I was associated with you. In due time my turn came to be on the receiving end of an ultimate pronouncement on my soul as being irretrievably lost and after being brutally confronted by you and the whole group I was ejected from the cult with great scorn. This was the standard operating procedure and happened to many others over the years. Robin I have a simple question for you, what in your background gives you the the standing, the credibility to make pronouncements about the ultimate value of the Eastern Spiritual tradition and declare the death of Christianity? I would have thought that if you were truly remorseful for the harm you had done to so many people, the last thing you would have wanted to do is to give into the temptation to represent yourself as an authority capable of passing judgment on whole spiritual traditions as well as in some instances making harsh judgments about individuals on FFL. Robin you were never enlightened nothing could be more obvious. The biographies of enlightened teachers down through time are filled with stories of their extraordinary love, compassion and sacrifice in being of profound service to their followers. Yours is a record of extraordinary abuse done to your followers. I care not a whit for your experience of enlightenment it is all words, words, words. You did not walk the talk, you were never enlightened. In my opinion you were someone who was mentally unbalanced who had a very expansive spiritual experience whose ego appropriated it instantly and you ran with it. You have natural gifts of intellect and charisma which made it possible for you to attract a small group around you who fell for it hook, line, and sinker. The center piece of your unique revelations as an enlightened man was the imperative to confront your followers in order to expose the demonic and then expel it. Where in the biographies of enlightened sages do you find this method being used to enlighten the disciples? The idea that you were faithful and true to Maharishi and his teaching is pure fiction that lives on in your mind and your mind alone.   To put into perspective and accurate chronology your revelation about the Eastern spiritual tradition, it came in 1987 when you told the group that the the mantras we received through TM were the names of demons or fallen angels. It did not come years later after you had purged yourself of your supposed enlightenment.It was while you were still in a self admitted deeply disturbed state that you received this truth, and not as you have represented here as coming years later. In fact at the time this revelation came to you, you also believed that your
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Curiosity Has Landed!
thank you so much for these. Links previously posted had sound only. From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2012 7:05 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Curiosity Has Landed! got the joy of living and re-living http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti_yre6dsa4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTjSDScEyfc got the fun of sharing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkil7mlpspI --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 08/05/2012 10:34 PM, John wrote: Cheers! http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-live-stream-coverage-20120309.html I watched it on NASA TV but kept thinking it almost looked staged. Hollywood couldn't have done it better. Now for them to find an artifact and hope they still show it to us. There are some things up there from previous pictures that even NASA doesn't know what to make of. They don't look natural.
[FairfieldLife] Nok has gone nuts??
Nokia 888 (ROFLMAO!) http://seekingalpha.com/article/786081-why-i-bought-nokia-a-picture-s-worth-2-per-share?source=email_rt_article_readmoreifp=0
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
Thank you feste for this, its clarity and compassion. I'd add only that if we have made mistakes that contributed, in the Marshall Rosenberg Non Violent Communication sense, to the pain of others, we can offer to make amends. In my experience, that sets the healing in motion. For all concerned. I think it's big in 12 Steps too. From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2012 7:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra I have never been a spiritual leader, or a leader of any kind, so I have never had followers. My task has been different. In that respect, there may well be legions of girlfriends, semi-girlfriends, sort-of girlfriends from way back in the 1980s who if they wanted to might well be able to write a screed here on FFL about what a jerk I was in those days. And maybe they would be right. But we all work on our stuff, and we are not the same people we were. We improve. We learn things. And what counts is not so much what we did but what we are now. Best to you, Robin. I hope you continue to post here because I enjoy your contributions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Dear Lord Knows, I don't think it is possible to answer to your accusations here and even try to dispute your account of those years you knew me. I am not the person you depict in your indictment of me. Those who know me best (including persons who were there at the beginning, some 35 years ago, and remain in close contact with me even now) know me as I am. They would not agree with your assessment of my character or my motivation. And they would, in your presence, claim to have a more profound understanding of me than is revealed by what you say about me in your post at FFL. If your judgment is the correct one, there will have to be a consensus about this. And if someone who has known me through these last twenty-five years believes your judgment of me is essentially false, you will have to consider that as contradicting what you so sincerely believe is the truth about me. I certainly am not prepared to defend anything I did during those ten years when I was enlightened--certainly not the incidents you cite in your case against me. But that you have got the person Robin in your sights in a way which is meaningfully related to who I am, there is where I believe you are very much mistaken. I cannot and will not attempt to justify my actions while I was enlightened, but in terms of where I have come since then I do not recognize myself in your portrayal of me here. And either would anyone who has known me through this past quarter of a century. I can never hope to challenge your interpretation of me based upon the evidence you present here during that time you knew me; but in my conscience and in my soul my conviction of the wrongness of your estimation of me now compels me to protest the unfairness, the inaccuracy, and the unnaturalness of your analysis of me. The person Robin is not who you would have me be. I am not that person. In speaking about Eastern or Western traditions I am merely exercising my free speech and what I have to say is based upon my own personal history, my reading, and my sense of what is true. I am not seeking for anyone to follow me, and I doubt that anyone on this forum feels in any way that I am not playing by the rules. Of course you are entitled to your extremely severe appraisal of my sanity and my integrity; and if you are essentially right about me, it is indeed a terrible thing for me to believe, as I do certainly believe, that you are prejudiced and blind in the damning conclusion you have reached about the person that I am. Now. Only good, however, can come from someone who speaks as you have spoken, and who has laid out the case against me in the way that you have. I suppose it was inevitable that this would happen. And I am glad it has. In the end it will be what the Creator makes of all this that counts, and I hope that he sees things more from my perspective than from your perspective. I will pray for you, as you evidently have already prayed for me. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Lord Knows lordknows888@ wrote: Dear Robin, I know you well, I was in the inner circle of your followers. I lived in the group house you named Annapurna in Victoria. I fully experienced what ultimately became a waking nightmare in being a member of your cult. I have a vivid memory of the day when a member of the group who had been extremely close to you attempted suicide after you ruthlessly confronted her and declared her to be an evil being who was only appearing in the guise of a human being. I remember the meeting at Heronwater in which you spoke with ice cold
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 7, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Seraphita wrote: I only learned of the existence of Robin Carlsen when I read Suzanne Segal's memoir Collision with the Infinite (she called him Robert Peterson in the text) which included a brief account of her troubling encounter with his cult. Being curious about TM heretics-cum-rebels I was wondering if anyone has any photos of the Victoria community back in the 1980s they could post on FFL. Lord Knows? Masked Zebra? It's been requested in the past that such photos not be shared publicly because of privacy concerns for those involved, esp. since many now have children, etc. As Vaj was told when he posted a photo of Robin and his group in Fairfield awhile back. These were concerns Robin himself voiced here. Interesting that Vaj doesn't mention this. Notice the passive voice: It's been requested... Of course, privacy concerns didn't appear to bother Vaj when he subsequently threatened to post video of Robin's seminars on YouTube: Well, I try to be sensitive to the fact that this whole thing has to have been very traumatic for R. It's amazing that none of the video has been leaked yet, but that's really just a matter of converting the old analog video to digital and we could have them up on YouTube quickly thereafter. The pathology of supposed higher states of consciousness - meditative disease - is a new field really, and I think video documentation could go a long way to helping jumpstart that field, potentially preventing suffering from faux meditative lineages like Mahesh Co. Yes, Vaj is obviously the most sensitive of individuals, isn't he? It would be interesting if you'd share what Segal found troubling with RWC and the WTS - perhaps an excerpt or two? Says Vaj, demonstrating his great sensitivity once again.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Thanks for speaking up. As I have made clear in the past, I don't interact with Robin because I believe to do so is to become a codependent in helping an already mentally ill person to become more so. But it's been sad to see him reel in naive people here and do pretty much exactly what you describe. I have watched Fairfield Life and the general dance of spiritual naivete far too long to believe that those who have been sucked into his web will actually learn from what you said. In fact, they'll probably attack you for doing it. But thank you very much for trying. Barry, I agree 100% and could not have said it better. And for Lordknows, given what you went through all those years ago, I think your post was not only informative and accurate and insightful, but rather generous to Robin. Generous to Robin? This is a joke, right? You don't really think how Lord Knows has characterized Robin's activities on FFL bears any resemblance to the reality, do you? You're *agreeing* with Barry that Robin is sucking people into his web?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
I was in the midst of replying to one of Robin's post to me, though work and events for me tend to put things on a hiatus from time to time. A number of things you have said here resonate with some of what I was going to say, but this post of yours is far more succinct and direct, and, I dare say, eloquent than what I could have produced, and also much clearer in delineating the issues. And you seem to have the advantage of knowing Robin, unlike me. Most of the accounts of enlightenment and awaking I have encountered, including my own experiences give the distinct impression that this experience normally takes persons completely by surprise, and takes them aback in a way that leaves them essentially speechless, for it pulls the rug out from under one's beliefs and expectations. I had been thinking of the analogy of American football, taking the ball and running with it, as you put it here before I even wrote it down. Robin definitely had an experience, but it does not appear to have shaken his world to its roots; instead he seems to have instantly taken it in hand rather than spending years afterward attempting to make sense of the insensible as other teachers have done. There is a gestation period of consolidation and growth in which one is certainly not ready to teach anything; one in fact may never teach anything at all and just choose to live quietly with it away from the eyes of the world. Also the integrative experience is just that, one sees the commonality of spiritual traditions with a tendency to prune off the accumulated distractions of history and subsequent interpretation. That Robin maintains an essentially dualistic stance is an indication he did not experience true unity. I would say he had the experience of an ego having a unity-like experience. If he had experienced actual unity, he could not have undone it. One cannot really say 'I experience unity', there is just unity, and no one to observe it. This post of yours was an especial treat. You could add a lot of value to this forum, should you choose to continue to post here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Lord Knows lordknows888@... wrote: Dear Robin, I know you well, I was in the inner circle of your followers. I lived in the group house you named Annapurna in Victoria. I fully experienced what ultimately became a waking nightmare in being a member of your cult. I have a vivid memory of the day when a member of the group who had been extremely close to you attempted suicide after you ruthlessly confronted her and declared her to be an evil being who was only appearing in the guise of a human being. I remember the meeting at Heronwater in which you spoke with ice cold disdain about her when the news came of her attempted suicide, your only concern was to send someone to her apartment to collect any items from her belongings that could connect her to you. This is a fact, a horrible ugly fact which could be verified by all the people in that room, about 15 members of the inner circle.I am not proud of my involvement in this and many other heartless atrocities that took place over the years I was associated with you. In due time my turn came to be on the receiving end of an ultimate pronouncement on my soul as being irretrievably lost and after being brutally confronted by you and the whole group I was ejected from the cult with great scorn. This was the standard operating procedure and happened to many others over the years. Robin I have a simple question for you, what in your background gives you the the standing, the credibility to make pronouncements about the ultimate value of the Eastern Spiritual tradition and declare the death of Christianity? I would have thought that if you were truly remorseful for the harm you had done to so many people, the last thing you would have wanted to do is to give into the temptation to represent yourself as an authority capable of passing judgment on whole spiritual traditions as well as in some instances making harsh judgments about individuals on FFL. Robin you were never enlightened nothing could be more obvious. The biographies of enlightened teachers down through time are filled with stories of their extraordinary love, compassion and sacrifice in being of profound service to their followers. Yours is a record of extraordinary abuse done to your followers. I care not a whit for your experience of enlightenment it is all words, words, words. You did not walk the talk, you were never enlightened. In my opinion you were someone who was mentally unbalanced who had a very expansive spiritual experience whose ego appropriated it instantly and you ran with it. You have natural gifts of intellect and charisma which made it possible for you to attract a small group around you who fell for it hook, line, and sinker. The center piece of your unique revelations as an enlightened man was
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Stupa of Tibetan Buddhism, Ketut too (-:
Good morning again, RC It could be that we are expressing the very wide difference between masculine and feminine in these matters. Indeed the practice Marnia Robinson suggests seems as if it would be quite challenging for males. Thus the Taoist practices seem more realistic, compassionate and healthy for both masculine and feminine. The other difference I sense we are expressing is that between East and West, the latter having been much more imbued with the spirit matter split I've written about in other posts. I have turned from the epitome of that resulting ignorance, the Catholic Church. Whereas you seem to be at least intrigued by the ideas on sexuality the Church both professes and attempts to enforce. I readily admit that I could be wrong and deluded about all this. However, I'm willing to take that chance in order to again experience that sex can indeed lead one to God. If only momentarily. Share PS We have switched places Ghazali and I am cheering for you as you walk that high wire across Niagara Falls. Being the Gemini I am I had already integrated many divergent points of view of you into my awareness. So, no surprises. It's tricky when someone is so brilliant especially with words. Others can come to distrust the sincerity of the words. And to state the obvious, here on FFL we are limited to words. None of us know you now as you are in 3D day to day life. I rely on my own felt sense to grok the truth of what your words express. Willing to take a chance on that too (-: From: Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 12:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Stupa of Tibetan Buddhism, Ketut too (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Share1: Marnia Robinson writes: Take, for example, the ancient Tibetan Buddhist myth, The Great Stupa. It confirms that passion is indeed the reason for mankind's fallen state, and says there are three paths to liberation: ~the overcoming of passion through renunciation ~the neutralization of passion by pouring all one's energy into selfless service ~the conquering of passion through controlled indulgence. That is, using sex itself in such a way as to transcend passion's treacherous downward suction. It says that the third path is the fastest and most powerful path, although also the easiest one to fall from...until one masters it. Robin1: I think this just BS, Share. There is no spiritual path that entails sex or abstinence from sex: celibacy. Controlled indulgence--any being with the intelligence to know how susceptible we all are to the power of this reality inside our bodies, knows this is just plain ridiculous. 'Mastering' controlled indulgence--this is the most absurd and ludicrous idea I think I may have heard when it comes to traditional idea of spirituality, Share. Beautifully sincere, but hopelessly naive. Look: here is where I come out on all this. I believe that only the grace of the Personal God can make of celibacy something real, creative, strong, holy. Without that grace, all you have is will power and some religious idea of how good and necessary it is to be abstain from sexual activity. The sexual drive in human beings, Share--unless it has simply just attenuated because of age, or just doesn't assert itself for some unknown reason--always conquers the individual person. One can only do one's best to act with integrity in this matter. But turning sex into some kind of path of truth, that is just a hoot. Don't you see, Share, for this to be true would mean that encountering the methodology and teaching of Marnia Robinson *would be to encounter something more powerful, or potentially more powerful, than sexual desire*. That can't happen. The reality and power of sexuality is something *no human being in my lifetime* has ever mastered--mastered here means, having more control over and intelligence about than what the sensation of sexuality presents to us. *We cannot truly command this aspect of ourselves as human beings without the grace given to us by the author of sexuality* (before the Fall). I have never seen a single human being, Share, who I intuitively knew: *This person knows more about his or her sexuality, what it is, how it acts within him or her, how it can be put it inside a context such as to make it submit itself to that person's will--than the power of this reality to determine that person's experience*. Marnia Robinson: The myth, which is very old, predicted there would come a time when the unstable energies produced by increased indulgence in passion would create chaos at both seen and unseen levels across the globe. The first two paths, celibacy and compassionate service to others, would no longer open the door to enlightenment, though they would remain useful spiritual disciplines. Why? Because general
[FairfieldLife] Things We Know More About Than Romney's Tax Returns
Fascinating bits of trivia in their own right, but I love HuffPost's title for the slide show at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/07/mitt-romney-taxes_n_1736813.html#slide=1324149 Things we know more about than a Presidential candidate's tax returns include King Tut's penis, the secret forumula for Coca-Cola, Area 51, The God Particle, and dinosaur sex.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
Seraphita, your message sparked my curiosity regarding Suzanne Segal and her memoir Collision with the Infinite (what a great title!), and some Googling brought up a couple of links that may be of interest to some of the readers here at FFL: http://www.nonduality.com/suzanne.htm http://www.nonduality.com/suzanne.htm (Robin, under Part 6, this passage caught my eye: Segal, had she lived and integrated her vastness 'body' with the physical/emotional/mental/spiritual body, may have composed something like that which Adi Da composed below. Segal could only speak of the vastness; she had not yet made the return journey, that Adi Da speaks of, back to the body, back to unenlightenment.) http://www.spiritualteachers.org/suzanne_segal.htm http://www.spiritualteachers.org/suzanne_segal.htm (link at bottom to an interview several months before her death.) I found it very interesting reading. LaughingGull --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: I only learned of the existence of Robin Carlsen when I read Suzanne Segal's memoir Collision with the Infinite (she called him Robert Peterson in the text) which included a brief account of her troubling encounter with his cult. Being curious about TM heretics-cum-rebels I was wondering if anyone has any photos of the Victoria community back in the 1980s they could post on FFL. Lord Knows? Masked Zebra?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Thanks for speaking up. As I have made clear in the past, I don't interact with Robin because I believe to do so is to become a codependent in helping an already mentally ill person to become more so. But it's been sad to see him reel in naive people here and do pretty much exactly what you describe. I have watched Fairfield Life and the general dance of spiritual naivete far too long to believe that those who have been sucked into his web will actually learn from what you said. In fact, they'll probably attack you for doing it. But thank you very much for trying. Barry, I agree 100% and could not have said it better. And for Lordknows, given what you went through all those years ago, I think your post was not only informative and accurate and insightful, but rather generous to Robin. Generous to Robin? This is a joke, right? Not at all a joke. LordKnows paid for a healing ceremony for Robin, and clearly stated Robin's gifts in addition to the problems. really think how Lord Knows has characterized Robin's activities on FFL bears any resemblance to the reality, do you? In my opinion it sounds pretty accurate, and like a horrible experience. You're *agreeing* with Barry that Robin is sucking people into his web? I think Robin is brilliant and working things out about himself and his beliefs - and can still be very powerful with words and ideas. His style of thinking and writing are unusual and make me uncomfortable - almost mersmerizing. I have said this before here, and to Robin hmself. I think he is powerful, without intending to do anything negative to others. He just has incredible power
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Thanks for speaking up. As I have made clear in the past, I don't interact with Robin Interesting phrase considering how Barry has behaved toward Robin. For those who weren't here or don't recall, Barry's first interactions with Robin were actually rather friendly on both sides. But then when Robin had been on FFL for about a week, Barry made a post that began: MZ, here's a free clue to explain to you why I got no more than two sentences into the self-serving drivel below: I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR 'ENLIGHTENMENT.' It (meaning the stories you tell others and yourself about your experiences and what you think they mean or meant) obviously are very important to YOU, because you just won't STFU about them. All these years later and you still won't STFU about them. This was a comment on a post Robin had made to Rick (not to Barry) in response to Rick having questioned what Robin had said about his enlightenment. As far as Barry was concerned, it was inappropriate for Robin to describe his experience in the face of Rick's challenge because Barry wasn't interested in it. Robin responded to Barry's attack with one of his irony posts. From then on, Barry has continued to attack Robin unrelentingly in posts to others. That's how he can say he doesn't interact with Robin. because I believe to do so is to become a codependent in helping an already mentally ill person to become more so. Right. But repeated vicious gratuitous, attacks on such a person would definitely be helpful, I'm sure we can all agree. Oh, forgot to mention, while he's attacking Robin, Barry brags over and over that he doesn't read any of Robin's posts. That must be why he gets so much of what he says about Robin dead wrong. But it's been sad to see him reel in naive people here and do pretty much exactly what you describe. I have watched Fairfield Life and the general dance of spiritual naivete far too long to believe that those who have been sucked into his web will actually learn from what you said. In fact, they'll probably attack you for doing it. But thank you very much for trying.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
Dominus dedit, Dominus abstulit (...)? Cave...cave sit nomen Domini benedictum and at a far and forlorn beach merumaid fluttered with his wings in Job's morning cup for the flagrance of a long forlorn flower the hand and arm who held this empty cup holds a kite to surf with stench of sweat the boat's in the sky and again merumaid fluttered with his wings feeling free when carried by the winds Iob 1, 21 Nudus egressus sum de utero matris meae et nudus revertar illuc... sit nomen Domini benedictum Thanks for taking the time,... good night a night in rain storm and lightening sleep well, too .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: snip He had made me enlightened; I still acted as if he were my Master. snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
Dear Lord Knows, There is something else which you must bear in mind in wondering how I received your categorical judgment of my sanity, my character, and my actions. It is this, Lord Knows: that I believe that the truth about those ten years, about my behaviour, about my enlightenment, about the pain and terror I created in the souls of other human beings, the matter of free will versus cosmic will--that all this is being discussed here inside what I believe is a context of reality where that reality--what created us, what created the universe, what created your first person subjective sense of yourself, what created even your ability to write that post--and for me to respond to it--will pass judgment (perhaps only silently within itself) on Robin Carlsen, and the extent to which you have represented the truth of those ten years. I am keenly sensitive, then, Lord Knows, to those cues from within your post--and how you will act in response to the various rebuttals that have been directed towards you since you posted your letter--which would indicate--beyond what you yourself are identified with as the truth of this matter--reality's verdict here. In other words, Lord Knows--this is so important for you to grasp if you are sincere in wanting everyone to know the truth,--despite being the object of your castigation and damnation, I am still seeking to embrace the truth of those ten years. I have been dedicated to this very purpose for the past twenty-five years. What this comes down to, Lord Knows, is that you must not let my own desire to know and to be responsible for the truth of my actions and all that happened during those ten years because of the assumption of my enlightenment, overtake and surpass your own honest and sincere determination to get the truth out. My philosophy asks this of me; that is, to recognize there may be more reality and truth inside the consciousness and point of view of another person than myself. This, after all, is what got me launched on this self-rehabilitation project of the past twenty-five years. Someone demonstrating a more accurate perception of me than I had of myself. The beginning of the showdown: that I was gravely deceived about who I was and of course about the human normalcy of my enlightenment. Now if you do not depend only on the truth of your experience, and, in the face of challenges to the final validity or definitiveness of that experience, become defensive and evasive and belligerent in the presence of the complexities and contradictions of this whole affair, then I shall have to conclude that, in the end, you are not that sure of your judgment, you are not that sure of your sincerity, and you are not willing to go to where you must go in order to know with a sense of conviction and courage that all that you say in your post--and perhaps future posts--is 'true'. Because if you are right in what you have said about me, in the kind of person I really am (unchanged from what I was when you knew me), that I am mentally ill, deluded, and simply plain wrong, then you will trust in the objectivity and truthfulness of your testimony--without the need for any personal venom or hatred or irrationality to come into what you write. This at least--perhaps this is a simplification of reality--is how I understand the means to measure the truth of what you have said, what you are going to say, about me. *Reality and truth will do the work for you, Lord Knows*. I will then, declare that I hold myself to that standard of truth whereby I utterly trust reality to make its judgment of me known to me--even through you. But if I sense reality's refusal to go along with your judgment of me--at least to some extent--then I shall pay attention to this, because this, after all--and I know this is a point of much bitterness and condemnation for you--this is how my philosophy 'works': I seek the moral and metaphysical and aesthetic cues within the subjectivity of another person which will enable me--if we are arguing about matters where there is some dispute--to know the extent to which reality is getting behind that subjectivity, and the extent to which, because reality is not getting behind that subjectivity, that subjectivity must make up for this, by becoming more strident, more bellicose, more defensive, more isolated. If we take your post as corresponding pretty much to the truth about Robin Carlsen then it must follow that anything which is said, which has been said, which will be said, contra your judgment of me, will be received by you within a context wherein your experience is supported by reality (even if you are unaware of this support, I assure you, reality will be present in your words, in your point of view). And I would like to feel this, Lord Knows. I believe I am entitled to feel this--as are the readers on this forum. And should I find myself on the defensive, and preferring to adhere to notions
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Thanks for speaking up. As I have made clear in the past, I don't interact with Robin because I believe to do so is to become a codependent in helping an already mentally ill person to become more so. But it's been sad to see him reel in naive people here and do pretty much exactly what you describe. I have watched Fairfield Life and the general dance of spiritual naivete far too long to believe that those who have been sucked into his web will actually learn from what you said. In fact, they'll probably attack you for doing it. But thank you very much for trying. Barry, I agree 100% and could not have said it better. And for Lordknows, given what you went through all those years ago, I think your post was not only informative and accurate and insightful, but rather generous to Robin. Generous to Robin? This is a joke, right? Not at all a joke. LordKnows paid for a healing ceremony for Robin, and clearly stated Robin's gifts in addition to the problems. As I went on to make clear, I'm asking whether you truly believe LK has been generous to Robin in his portrayals of Robin's activities here on FFL (the only activities of his you know about firsthand, obviously). really think how Lord Knows has characterized Robin's activities on FFL bears any resemblance to the reality, do you? In my opinion it sounds pretty accurate, and like a horrible experience. I beg your pardon? Robin's activities on FFL sound like a horrible experience? You must mean Lord Knows's characterization of Robin's activities 30 years ago. But that wasn't what I asked you about. (On the other hand, how would you know whether LK's description of Robin 30 years ago was accurate?) Now, would you mind answering my question? Do you think LK's descriptions of Robin's participation on FFL are accurate? You're *agreeing* with Barry that Robin is sucking people into his web? I think Robin is brilliant and working things out about himself and his beliefs That, of course, is what he has repeatedly said himself: that he is working things out about himself and his beliefs. - and can still be very powerful with words and ideas. His style of thinking and writing are unusual and make me uncomfortable - almost mersmerizing. I have said this before here, and to Robin hmself. I think you may be unique in this. I find what Robin writes often compelling and fascinating, but it's never made me uncomfortable; and I've never seen anybody else suggest that. I think he is powerful, without intending to do anything negative to others. He just has incredible power I concur. But again, that isn't what I asked you. Do you agree with Barry that Robin is trying to suck people into his web? And of course that's what LK has suggested as well. Do you find that suggestion generous to Robin?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: Dominus dedit, Dominus abstulit (...)? affero, abstuli, ablatum, afferre??
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
Xeno, thought you might find this excerpt from one of Robin's books of interest. It describes his experience of becoming enlightened on a mountain in Arosa, Switzerland, in 1976: My friend by this time was asking what was happening, and by the look on my face, knew something powerfully expansive was taking place. I could not speak and by this time had fallen to my knees, turning in the opposite direction to give some respite to my exploding vision; here on the other side was the panorama of mountains, and they too assumed the form and reality of Beingness, of the most liquid yet ethereal immortality. I was moaning as I experienced all these boundaries of perception dissolving, and then, as I turned to look up into my friend's face, I saw the perfection of God shining from his face and body. I put my head down to touch the ground when suddenly my whole being began to flow out of its self, engulfing me in the same ocean of light which had swept over the rock face, the mountains, and my now Godlike friend. And then I as if woke up. The spell was broken. I knew myself to have always existed. All my suffering, all my strivings, time, space, personal history was but a dream. There had never been anything but the light of consciousness. I had never been born nor would I ever die. Something disappeared forever, and I later came to know what that was. Something continued to form the apparent boundaries of Robin but the ego that had previously had so much to say about my sensation and experience of the world was now the individuated expression of what was the unmanifest reality of God. With the completion of my being, I assumed a silence and inner repose, having been transformed into the actuality of what existence was. I was the substance, the reality that so obviously had its being before and beyond the phenomenal forms that before seemed to have an existence of their own. Now I had become invisibly one with something whose integrity could only be described as God, for I saw how that something was the essential character of everything, indeed was naught else but that something. I had lost everything only to gain everything, and that everything now supported and motivated the particular something I was, giving me a uniqueness that was the purest form of the universality which now was the primary reality of my existence and of my being. By this time I spoke quietly and persuasively to my friend about what had happened--that I was in Unity, the term all meditators and teachers were familiar with as equated with liberation, Enlightenment. Apparently my actions and my appearance during and immediately after the experience testified to the authenticity of what I now simply and innocently declared. The integration of my personality was suddenly absolute and every sensation of tension, worry, or doubt had dissolved leaving only the self-confidence of Being. --Excerpt from The Sunnyside Drama: The First Three Years of Enlightenment © Robin Woodsworth Carlsen, 1979, ISBN 09-20910-03-3 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: I was in the midst of replying to one of Robin's post to me, though work and events for me tend to put things on a hiatus from time to time. A number of things you have said here resonate with some of what I was going to say, but this post of yours is far more succinct and direct, and, I dare say, eloquent than what I could have produced, and also much clearer in delineating the issues. And you seem to have the advantage of knowing Robin, unlike me. Most of the accounts of enlightenment and awaking I have encountered, including my own experiences give the distinct impression that this experience normally takes persons completely by surprise, and takes them aback in a way that leaves them essentially speechless, for it pulls the rug out from under one's beliefs and expectations. I had been thinking of the analogy of American football, taking the ball and running with it, as you put it here before I even wrote it down. Robin definitely had an experience, but it does not appear to have shaken his world to its roots; instead he seems to have instantly taken it in hand rather than spending years afterward attempting to make sense of the insensible as other teachers have done. There is a gestation period of consolidation and growth in which one is certainly not ready to teach anything; one in fact may never teach anything at all and just choose to live quietly with it away from the eyes of the world. Also the integrative experience is just that, one sees the commonality of spiritual traditions with a tendency to prune off the accumulated distractions of history and subsequent interpretation. That Robin maintains an essentially dualistic stance is an indication he did not experience true unity. I would say he had the experience of an ego having a unity-like experience.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
On 08/06/2012 06:25 PM, Lord Knows wrote: A note to readers of FFL who have found Robin to be very intelligent, erudite, insightful, even at times kind and thoughtful. Yes Robin was all of that and more when we followed him as well, but at bottom Robin is not trustworthy, he is not what he seems. I had heard of Robin years ago when he was up to his mischief and a friend from Fairfield told me about him. He showed up here posting a wall of words which is usually the sign of an uneducated person posting. I suggested he format his posts better or people wouldn't read them. He continues to post long-winded posts which I also usually don't bother with. To me he just reads like a sociopath and certainly not the first one I've encountered from the TMO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Thanks for speaking up. As I have made clear in the past, I don't interact with Robin because I believe to do so is to become a codependent in helping an already mentally ill person to become more so. But it's been sad to see him reel in naive people here and do pretty much exactly what you describe. I have watched Fairfield Life and the general dance of spiritual naivete far too long to believe that those who have been sucked into his web will actually learn from what you said. In fact, they'll probably attack you for doing it. But thank you very much for trying. Barry, I agree 100% and could not have said it better. And for Lordknows, given what you went through all those years ago, I think your post was not only informative and accurate and insightful, but rather generous to Robin. Generous to Robin? This is a joke, right? Not at all a joke. LordKnows paid for a healing ceremony for Robin, and clearly stated Robin's gifts in addition to the problems. As I went on to make clear, I'm asking whether you truly believe LK has been generous to Robin in his portrayals of Robin's activities here on FFL (the only activities of his you know about firsthand, obviously). I was not talking only about LK's portrayals of Robin's posts on Ffldlife. I was talking about LK being generous in his assessment of Robin actions in the past (30 years ago) and how he sees some of the same patterns remaining, altho faded out . And especially generous given how harmful those experiences of 30 years ago probably were to LK and many others. Of course, neither you nor I was part of Robin's group, so both of us are only basing our opinions on the reports of others. Sounds hairraising to me. If I had been thru that and it was as bad as has been suggested, I think I would feel justified in expressing the things LK did. really think how Lord Knows has characterized Robin's activities on FFL bears any resemblance to the reality, do you? In my opinion it sounds pretty accurate, and like a horrible experience. I beg your pardon? Robin's activities on FFL sound like a horrible experience? No. I was talking about being in Robins' cult 30 years ago. You must mean Lord Knows's characterization of Robin's activities 30 years ago. But that wasn't what I asked you about. (On the other hand, how would you know whether LK's description of Robin 30 years ago was accurate?) Now, would you mind answering my question? Do you think LK's descriptions of Robin's participation on FFL are accurate? Dealt with above. You're *agreeing* with Barry that Robin is sucking people into his web? I think Robin is brilliant and working things out about himself and his beliefs That, of course, is what he has repeatedly said himself: that he is working things out about himself and his beliefs. Yes, so we agree about that. - and can still be very powerful with words and ideas. His style of thinking and writing are unusual and make me uncomfortable - almost mersmerizing. I have said this before here, and to Robin hmself. I think you may be unique in this. I find what Robin writes often compelling and fascinating, but it's never made me uncomfortable; and I've never seen anybody else suggest that. I think he is powerful, without intending to do anything negative to others. He just has incredible power I concur. But again, that isn't what I asked you. Do you agree with Barry that Robin is trying to suck people into his web? No, I do not think Robin is doing that intentionally. But he has a way of writing that switches that I feel keeps at least me off balance. Anyway, I guess we fundamentally disagree about this and how much we enjoy reading Robin's posts. We can agree he is brilliant, incredibly articulate and has great knowledge of many fields. And of course that's what LK has suggested as well. Do you find that suggestion generous to Robin? Not generous in that particular instance or phrase, but generous nthe big picture and in other ways, as I already explained.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curiosity Has Landed!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 08/05/2012 10:34 PM, John wrote: Cheers! http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-live-stream-coverage-20120309.html I watched it on NASA TV but kept thinking it almost looked staged. Hollywood couldn't have done it better. Now for them to find an artifact and hope they still show it to us. There are some things up there from previous pictures that even NASA doesn't know what to make of. They don't look natural. I'm sure there are some people who are thinking that this landing is a hoax or a great conspiracy by NASA. But we'll have to accept that this event actually happened. This event also reinforces the likely possibility that robots can do the job of space exploration just as well as humans would on Mars or elsewhere in the solar system. The use of robots would be safer and cheaper than having humans do the work. There are many obstacles in having humans do the actual exploration of Mars. That would mean the astronauts would have to pack oxygen, food and water for at least 16 months in the space ship. Then, there's the likelihood of accidents and emergencies that could happen along the way.
[FairfieldLife] Another George Bush Coming Up
This guy appears to be ambitious in making a name for himself. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-players-abc-news/america-ready-another-george-bush-101209365.html
[FairfieldLife] Just Another Day In The Life
Here we see, dear and fair readers of FFL, an example of doing less and accomplishing more displayed in the economy of only eight posts in a single day. The bubbling bliss of an obsessive cult-apologist shared with all the world. She might be a cracked pot, but she is *our* cracked pot. Sun Aug 5, 2012 FFL PostCount 8 Vaj knows that. ...Vaj's malicious dishonesty. ...Vaj's capacity for hatred... Vaj wrote Wonder how Vaj... ...Vaj's penchant for malicious dishonesty ... Actually it's Barry who... What Barry means... The real reason Barry ...if anyone Barry had... It isn't clear why Barry even ... ...yet another example of Barry's... I'm guessing Barry has... Here Barry was... ...such as those Barry has when... ...Barry's standard dual motivation... Barry's lying. ...in fact it was Barry who... ...between Barry and... Barry tried to ... It was stunning to watch the obsession turn on a dime from Vajradhatu to TurquoiseB. I'm sure Ann, Feste, Nabby, and Raving Lunatic Yogi are s proud. Boy, how would ya like drawing to an inside straight with those four? http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Another Day In The Life
Is it rude to say I told you so when I actually did, back on February 8th? :-) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/303806 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote: Here we see, dear and fair readers of FFL, an example of doing less and accomplishing more displayed in the economy of only eight posts in a single day. The bubbling bliss of an obsessive cult-apologist shared with all the world. She might be a cracked pot, but she is *our* cracked pot. Sun Aug 5, 2012 FFL PostCount 8 Vaj knows that. ...Vaj's malicious dishonesty. ...Vaj's capacity for hatred... Vaj wrote Wonder how Vaj... ...Vaj's penchant for malicious dishonesty ... Actually it's Barry who... What Barry means... The real reason Barry ...if anyone Barry had... It isn't clear why Barry even ... ...yet another example of Barry's... I'm guessing Barry has... Here Barry was... ...such as those Barry has when... ...Barry's standard dual motivation... Barry's lying. ...in fact it was Barry who... ...between Barry and... Barry tried to ... It was stunning to watch the obsession turn on a dime from Vajradhatu to TurquoiseB. I'm sure Ann, Feste, Nabby, and Raving Lunatic Yogi are s proud. Boy, how would ya like drawing to an inside straight with those four? http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Another Day In The Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote: Here we see, dear and fair readers of FFL, an example of doing less and accomplishing more displayed in the economy of only eight posts in a single day. The bubbling bliss of an obsessive cult-apologist shared with all the world. She might be a cracked pot, but she is *our* cracked pot. It's just like AZ to go for the underbelly when the jackals are trying to down the antelope. I can always count on you to wait for enough people to start in on a subject before you come out of the woodwork. The quintessential coward. Sorry, but true. Sun Aug 5, 2012 FFL PostCount 8 Vaj knows that. ...Vaj's malicious dishonesty. ...Vaj's capacity for hatred... Vaj wrote Wonder how Vaj... ...Vaj's penchant for malicious dishonesty ... Actually it's Barry who... What Barry means... The real reason Barry ...if anyone Barry had... It isn't clear why Barry even ... ...yet another example of Barry's... I'm guessing Barry has... Here Barry was... ...such as those Barry has when... ...Barry's standard dual motivation... Barry's lying. ...in fact it was Barry who... ...between Barry and... Barry tried to ... It was stunning to watch the obsession turn on a dime from Vajradhatu to TurquoiseB. I'm sure Ann, Feste, Nabby, and Raving Lunatic Yogi are s proud. Boy, how would ya like drawing to an inside straight with those four? http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Another Day In The Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Is it rude to say I told you so when I actually did, back on February 8th? :-) Not more than usual, just predictable, gloating and pathetic. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/303806 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote: Here we see, dear and fair readers of FFL, an example of doing less and accomplishing more displayed in the economy of only eight posts in a single day. The bubbling bliss of an obsessive cult-apologist shared with all the world. She might be a cracked pot, but she is *our* cracked pot. Sun Aug 5, 2012 FFL PostCount 8 Vaj knows that. ...Vaj's malicious dishonesty. ...Vaj's capacity for hatred... Vaj wrote Wonder how Vaj... ...Vaj's penchant for malicious dishonesty ... Actually it's Barry who... What Barry means... The real reason Barry ...if anyone Barry had... It isn't clear why Barry even ... ...yet another example of Barry's... I'm guessing Barry has... Here Barry was... ...such as those Barry has when... ...Barry's standard dual motivation... Barry's lying. ...in fact it was Barry who... ...between Barry and... Barry tried to ... It was stunning to watch the obsession turn on a dime from Vajradhatu to TurquoiseB. I'm sure Ann, Feste, Nabby, and Raving Lunatic Yogi are s proud. Boy, how would ya like drawing to an inside straight with those four? http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/
[FairfieldLife] Robin your last post has a double message ((shades of yesteryear)
Dear Robin, 1) I am a single author and not a composite of authors2)I did not state that you were psychotic and that you were going to hell, I stated I thought you were mentally unbalanced.3)I live my life holding myself to a standard of honesty (thanks for the pep talk on the need for honesty anyway)4)I found your post quite different in it's seeming intent which could be summarized as a exhortation to honesty, and to state that honesty is your creed. I detected an unstated subtext. It was a kind of an almost bullying posturing which you was communicating in effect you better bring your A game buddy boy because I'm going to hit that frigging honesty ball out of the park.Where do I read this subtext you ask? At least in part right here You have staked out a very strong position; should you have any doubts about standing behind that position, then it might be more problematic in entering into disputations with you. After all, you know all my tricks and ruses and feints that enable me to cover up the fact that I don't have any faith that the truth will get me through my argument.and right here, No, I think innocence and sincerity are the way to pursue this matter, LordKnows. And I am hoping you are ready to give it your all. This is like high class trash talking before playing a game. This has me feeling shades of yesteryear, I've seen this move before.5) I have also seen you seem reasonable and temperate initially as you skillfully absorb an initial hit before marshalling your forces for the counter offensive . I'm a little rusty Robin it has been over 25 years since I've seen your moves on the court, but it comes back as things play out here. What am I referencing when I state this you ask, this Reasonable and temperate? I would have thought those two qualities somewhat incompatible with your description of my character and my motives and my mental health. Not that you are not allowed to defend yourself, but do it out front and don't package it inside a message which is supposed to be about honesty. Honesty is transparency not hidden double messages. So you see Robin in your exhortation to honesty you are showing the opposite,subtle manipulation. 5)I have to tell you Robin that this kind of bully boy posturing in the guise of an exhortation to honesty is not an encouraging sign for real honesty, which is at least your stated intention.6)Robin in my last post I stated that I was still weighing the pros and cons of entering into a dialogue with you, this last post has convinced me it is not worth it.What would be the point when right here in the first post about our potential dialogue you are up to your old tricks.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Robin your last post has a double message ((shades of yesteryear)
On Aug 7, 2012, at 4:35 PM, lordknows888 lordknows...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Robin, 1) I am a single author and not a composite of authors 2)I did not state that you were psychotic and that you were going to hell, I stated I thought you were mentally unbalanced. 3)I live my life holding myself to a standard of honesty (thanks for the pep talk on the need for honesty anyway) 4)I found your post quite different in it's seeming intent which could be summarized as a exhortation to honesty, and to state that honesty is your creed. I detected an unstated subtext. It was a kind of an almost bullying posturing which you was communicating in effect you better bring your A game buddy boy because I'm going to hit that frigging honesty ball out of the park.Where do I read this subtext you ask? At least in part right here You have staked out a very strong position; should you have any doubts about standing behind that position, then it might be more problematic in entering into disputations with you. After all, you know all my tricks and ruses and feints that enable me to cover up the fact that I don't have any faith that the truth will get me through my argument.and right here,No, I think innocence and sincerity are the way to pursue this matter, LordKnows. And I am hoping you are ready to give it your all. This is like high class trash talking before playing a game. This has me feeling shades of yesteryear, I've seen this move before. 5) I have also seen you seem reasonable and temperate initially as you skillfully absorb an initial hit before marshalling your forces for the counter offensive . I'm a little rusty Robin it has been over 25 years since I've seen your moves on the court, but it comes back as things play out here. What am I referencing when I state this you ask, this Reasonable and temperate? I would have thought those two qualities somewhat incompatible with your description of my character and my motives and my mental health. Not that you are not allowed to defend yourself, but do it out front and don't package it inside a message which is supposed to be about honesty. Honesty is transparency not hidden double messages. So you see Robin in your exhortation to honesty you are showing the opposite,subtle manipulation. 5)I have to tell you Robin that this kind of bully boy posturing in the guise of an exhortation to honesty is not an encouraging sign for real honesty, which is at least your stated intention. 6)Robin in my last post I stated that I was still weighing the pros and cons of entering into a dialogue with you, this last post has convinced me it is not worth it.What would be the point when right here in the first post about our potential dialogue you are up to your old tricks. Be careful of the “I’m a wounded animal” type pattern RWC likes to fall back on - to suck people in - typically when it’s he who’s on the losing end of a particular situation. I’ve also seen him use if ‘if only you could have felt it as I did' (often implying some extraordinary bliss, grace or trophy state) to draw in the (largely) TM-related folks here. Old tactic, just a “New Fairfield”. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Curiosity Has Landed!
On 08/07/2012 12:33 PM, John wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 08/05/2012 10:34 PM, John wrote: Cheers! http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-live-stream-coverage-20120309.html I watched it on NASA TV but kept thinking it almost looked staged. Hollywood couldn't have done it better. Now for them to find an artifact and hope they still show it to us. There are some things up there from previous pictures that even NASA doesn't know what to make of. They don't look natural. I'm sure there are some people who are thinking that this landing is a hoax or a great conspiracy by NASA. But we'll have to accept that this event actually happened. This event also reinforces the likely possibility that robots can do the job of space exploration just as well as humans would on Mars or elsewhere in the solar system. The use of robots would be safer and cheaper than having humans do the work. There are many obstacles in having humans do the actual exploration of Mars. That would mean the astronauts would have to pack oxygen, food and water for at least 16 months in the space ship. Then, there's the likelihood of accidents and emergencies that could happen along the way. I was thinking the staff was asked to ham it up a bit for TV. Nerds are usually a bit low key and focused for these things. I was expecting bottles of champagne to be broken out (against guvmint policy).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Just Another Day In The Life
On 08/07/2012 12:51 PM, azgrey wrote: Here we see, dear and fair readers of FFL, an example of doing less and accomplishing more displayed in the economy of only eight posts in a single day. The bubbling bliss of an obsessive cult-apologist shared with all the world. She might be a cracked pot, but she is *our* cracked pot. Sun Aug 5, 2012 FFL PostCount 8 Vaj knows that. ...Vaj's malicious dishonesty. ...Vaj's capacity for hatred... Vaj wrote Wonder how Vaj... ...Vaj's penchant for malicious dishonesty ... Actually it's Barry who... What Barry means... The real reason Barry ...if anyone Barry had... It isn't clear why Barry even ... ...yet another example of Barry's... I'm guessing Barry has... Here Barry was... ...such as those Barry has when... ...Barry's standard dual motivation... Barry's lying. ...in fact it was Barry who... ...between Barry and... Barry tried to ... It was stunning to watch the obsession turn on a dime from Vajradhatu to TurquoiseB. I'm sure Ann, Feste, Nabby, and Raving Lunatic Yogi are s proud. Boy, how would ya like drawing to an inside straight with those four? http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ Yup, just another day in the life at the Funny Farm Lounge! :-D
[FairfieldLife] Resending post, including Robin's post with mine this time
Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra Dear Lord Knows, Well, I hope you know what you're doing, that you are not being deceived in this temptation to have a conversation about this matter. I trust you will remain as serious and non-ambivalent as you were in that first post. You have staked out a very strong position; should you have any doubts about standing behind that position, then it might be more problematic in entering into disputations with you. After all, you know all my tricks and ruses and feints that enable me to cover up the fact that I don't have any faith that the truth will get me through my argument. I am assuming you are a single author and not a composite of authors--the latter would, I think, mean trouble, because what will compel people most is one persons's utterly sincere testimony about Robin Carlsen--if you are pretending to be one person and you actually represent a collective consciousness--I can assure you this will show up in your next post. Because you will compromise the truth of your testimony by the falseness of your claim to be a single person. No, I think innocence and sincerity are the way to pursue this matter, Lord Knows. And I am hoping you are ready to give it your all. From the tone of this second post of yours, I would almost think you have been partially converted away from your Robin-is-psychotic-and-is-going-to-hell perspective. I will be very interested in the tone as you put it, of your next post. Reasonable and temperate? I would have thought those two qualities somewhat incompatible with your description of my character and my motives and my mental health. The truth of what happened in those ten years--Lord knows, Lord Knows, I would not want you to be persuaded to mitigate it in any way whatsoever. So you must at least make this promise to me: You will not let off on the accelerator in driving this truth home to all the readers at FFL. But sincerity and honesty: this could be the beginning of the Final Reconciliation--that is, if we are both capable of exercising these two faculties to the maximum. And I think we will need to be if we are to get to the bottom of this whole matter. Sincerely, Robin #316421 From: lordknows888 lordknows...@yahoo.com Date: Tue Aug 7, 2012 1:35 pm Subject: Robin your last post has a double message ((shades of yesteryear) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316421 lordknows888 http://profiles.yahoo.com/lordknows888 [Offline] Offline [Send Email] Send Email http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/post?postID=ZYIQiytJ3jdRHg9\ 1iivtbHxWmLP7PCvGVW7MLSMFAs7jlBV6cAYXRtjpvkCw5f9cKc5Ganx-47gyxuE7TloU_ZR\ maZbAlV3s_jy5CWru6g Dear Robin, 1) I am a single author and not a composite of authors2)I did not state that you were psychotic and that you were going to hell, I stated I thought you were mentally unbalanced.3)I live my life holding myself to a standard of honesty (thanks for the pep talk on the need for honesty anyway)4)I found your post quite different in it's seeming intent which could be summarized as a exhortation to honesty, and to state that honesty is your creed. I detected an unstated subtext. It was a kind of an almost bullying posturing which you was communicating in effect you better bring your A game buddy boy because I'm going to hit that frigging honesty ball out of the park.Where do I read this subtext you ask? At least in part right here You have staked out a very strong position; should you have any doubts about standing behind that position, then it might be more problematic in entering into disputations with you. After all, you know all my tricks and ruses and feints that enable me to cover up the fact that I don't have any faith that the truth will get me through my argument.and right here, No, I think innocence and sincerity are the way to pursue this matter, LordKnows. And I am hoping you are ready to give it your all. This is like high class trash talking before playing a game. This has me feeling shades of yesteryear, I've seen this move before.5) I have also seen you seem reasonable and temperate initially as you skillfully absorb an initial hit before marshalling your forces for the counter offensive . I'm a little rusty Robin it has been over 25 years since I've seen your moves on the court, but it comes back as things play out here. What am I referencing when I state this you ask, this Reasonable and temperate? I would have thought those two qualities somewhat incompatible with your description of my character and my motives and my mental health. Not that you are not allowed to defend yourself, but do it out front and don't package it inside a message which is supposed to be about honesty. Honesty is transparency not hidden double messages. So you see Robin in your exhortation to honesty you are showing the opposite,subtle manipulation. 5)I have to tell you Robin that this kind of bully
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Stupa of Tibetan Buddhism, Ketut too (-:
Dear Share, Yes, you are right about the decidedly Catholic tone to it. Composed by a rotund 13th century Dominican monk. When he first wanted to become a religious his two brothers, who were soldiers, confined him in a fortress. I will let this account speak for itself, as it bears upon the very theme we are now discussing: There he remained for nearly two years, praying and studying while his family tried any means they could think of to lead him to abandon his vocation. His brothers even tried to damage his virtue, but Thomas drove the temptress out of his room with a burning branch he snatched from the fire. It was at this time that he received the gift of perfect chastity from God, a gift which was told to him by two angels in a dream, in answer to his prayers for purity of mind and body. I think your response to this essay apposite, normal, and appropriate. That tone gives this reader the sense of someone demonstrating a waltz with their legs and arms tied. That is a response to the ontological context of an old universe, a universe which does not exist anymore--that is, the context within which this conception of human sexuality and the precepts that naturally follow from this such a conception is a different universe from the one we find ourselves existing in on August 7, 2012. You and I were born, then, into a different ontological universe, Share, and so your response is a very real one. But you have to imagine: How was it possible for someone to believe what this Angelic Doctor says if your experience is true? It can only mean one thing--at least to me:--*God changed his universe before we were born*. I think that the present experience of the power of sexuality is beyond any supernatural grace originating in the tradition that this Dominican monk so faithfully describes here. Christ personally thanked him for writing the book from which this passage is taken: *Summa Theologiae: A Concise Translation* edited by Timothy McDermott. So, then, your sense of it, Share, seems entirely reasonable. It is just that I have a different perspective, for if you are right just in the terms in which you understand your experience in reading this passage, it must mean that the Angelic Doctor--one of the greatest philosophers who has ever lived--was not as sensitive or intelligent as you are. This could never be. And so it is that I have concluded (for other reasons as well) that the universe into which you and I were born differs markedly in its ontological context from the universe into which this Dominican friar was born. I maintain that Western culture is severely marred by the spirit matter split that began long ago. For me, Share, this simply means that the supernatural grace which supported and sustained the conception of sexuality as delineated in this essay has gone out of the universe, thus leaving a context in which all that suppression and discipline and control exercised over the sexuality of human beings now, instead of becoming the means to safeguard the salvation of the soul, becomes instead something which seems estranged from what is natural and normal. The split between matter and the spirit was always joined by supernatural grace, since that split began at the Fall. Once Mary and the Holy Ghost abandoned the Church, then the forced waltz began. But before this--before the Allied Bombing of the very monastery where this Angelic Doctor lived and prayed--there was a big Party going on, and everyone was dancing very freely--within, that is, the powerful grace which gave this monk the context to have complete control over her sexuality. I don't disagree with anything you say after this, either, except that while I grant you that sex can be in the service of a profoundly loving and self-sacrificing act, it cannot lead one to ultimate truth, to our Creator, the Being who first put the man-woman reality inside our bodies. For me you are entirely convincing in your affirmation that: Nor do I find myself distracted from spiritual matters during loving intimacy--but I wonder whether your male partner could reciprocate in this. I am anticipating here something you say in your next post on this topic: and I will say, Share, that all that I have said about sexuality can only apply to the man, for I cannot know what that difference is in a woman's experience of the sexual act. It certainly would seem to be something other than the man's experience--at least it can be so, certainly. And it seems to me that indeed a woman possesses the potential to make of this reality something other than I believe we men can make of it. I have been under siege today from a number of sources. So you are right: I am walking that tightrope over the falls--but then again, I ask for this kind of precariousness in my sense of what I seek from reality. It wasn't so wonderful an evening as it turned out, Lord knows. But this is all good. Good for me anyhow.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Just Another Day In The Life
noozguru you made me laugh out loud, will never be able to see acronym FFL quite the same. that's a good thing (-: ps maybe will change into my lounging pjs From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2012 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Just Another Day In The Life On 08/07/2012 12:51 PM, azgrey wrote: Here we see, dear and fair readers of FFL, an example of doing less and accomplishing more displayed in the economy of only eight posts in a single day. The bubbling bliss of an obsessive cult-apologist shared with all the world. She might be a cracked pot, but she is *our* cracked pot. Sun Aug 5, 2012 FFL PostCount 8 Vaj knows that. ...Vaj's malicious dishonesty. ...Vaj's capacity for hatred... Vaj wrote Wonder how Vaj... ...Vaj's penchant for malicious dishonesty ... Actually it's Barry who... What Barry means... The real reason Barry ...if anyone Barry had... It isn't clear why Barry even ... ...yet another example of Barry's... I'm guessing Barry has... Here Barry was... ...such as those Barry has when... ...Barry's standard dual motivation... Barry's lying. ...in fact it was Barry who... ...between Barry and... Barry tried to ... It was stunning to watch the obsession turn on a dime from Vajradhatu to TurquoiseB. I'm sure Ann, Feste, Nabby, and Raving Lunatic Yogi are s proud. Boy, how would ya like drawing to an inside straight with those four? http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ Yup, just another day in the life at the Funny Farm Lounge! :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Resending post, including Robin's post with mine this time
OK, I am changing my mind on the author here. It is sounding less and less like the person I know. In fact, it sounds like a different person altogether. I wonder what is going on here, are you morphing into a different personae or just referencing off others that are very unlike you? All I know is that your tone and your character in this latest post is not someone I recognize after all. Sorry about that. I guess I was mistaken. And given your tone of the post below I agree it would be a good idea to give FFL a miss this time around. We have enough negativity here already. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lordknows888 lordknows888@... wrote: Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra Dear Lord Knows, Well, I hope you know what you're doing, that you are not being deceived in this temptation to have a conversation about this matter. I trust you will remain as serious and non-ambivalent as you were in that first post. You have staked out a very strong position; should you have any doubts about standing behind that position, then it might be more problematic in entering into disputations with you. After all, you know all my tricks and ruses and feints that enable me to cover up the fact that I don't have any faith that the truth will get me through my argument. I am assuming you are a single author and not a composite of authors--the latter would, I think, mean trouble, because what will compel people most is one persons's utterly sincere testimony about Robin Carlsen--if you are pretending to be one person and you actually represent a collective consciousness--I can assure you this will show up in your next post. Because you will compromise the truth of your testimony by the falseness of your claim to be a single person. No, I think innocence and sincerity are the way to pursue this matter, Lord Knows. And I am hoping you are ready to give it your all. From the tone of this second post of yours, I would almost think you have been partially converted away from your Robin-is-psychotic-and-is-going-to-hell perspective. I will be very interested in the tone as you put it, of your next post. Reasonable and temperate? I would have thought those two qualities somewhat incompatible with your description of my character and my motives and my mental health. The truth of what happened in those ten years--Lord knows, Lord Knows, I would not want you to be persuaded to mitigate it in any way whatsoever. So you must at least make this promise to me: You will not let off on the accelerator in driving this truth home to all the readers at FFL. But sincerity and honesty: this could be the beginning of the Final Reconciliation--that is, if we are both capable of exercising these two faculties to the maximum. And I think we will need to be if we are to get to the bottom of this whole matter. Sincerely, Robin #316421 From: lordknows888 lordknows888@... Date: Tue Aug 7, 2012 1:35 pm Subject: Robin your last post has a double message ((shades of yesteryear) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316421 lordknows888 http://profiles.yahoo.com/lordknows888 [Offline] Offline [Send Email] Send Email http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/post?postID=ZYIQiytJ3jdRHg9\ 1iivtbHxWmLP7PCvGVW7MLSMFAs7jlBV6cAYXRtjpvkCw5f9cKc5Ganx-47gyxuE7TloU_ZR\ maZbAlV3s_jy5CWru6g Dear Robin, 1) I am a single author and not a composite of authors2)I did not state that you were psychotic and that you were going to hell, I stated I thought you were mentally unbalanced.3)I live my life holding myself to a standard of honesty (thanks for the pep talk on the need for honesty anyway)4)I found your post quite different in it's seeming intent which could be summarized as a exhortation to honesty, and to state that honesty is your creed. I detected an unstated subtext. It was a kind of an almost bullying posturing which you was communicating in effect you better bring your A game buddy boy because I'm going to hit that frigging honesty ball out of the park.Where do I read this subtext you ask? At least in part right here You have staked out a very strong position; should you have any doubts about standing behind that position, then it might be more problematic in entering into disputations with you. After all, you know all my tricks and ruses and feints that enable me to cover up the fact that I don't have any faith that the truth will get me through my argument.and right here, No, I think innocence and sincerity are the way to pursue this matter, LordKnows. And I am hoping you are ready to give it your all. This is like high class trash talking before playing a game. This has me feeling shades of yesteryear, I've seen this move before.5) I have also seen you seem reasonable and temperate initially as you skillfully absorb an initial hit before
[FairfieldLife] Re: Resending post, including Robin's post with mine this time
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lordknows888 lordknows888@... wrote: Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra Dear Lord Knows, Well, I hope you know what you're doing, that you are not being deceived in this temptation to have a conversation about this matter. I trust you will remain as serious and non-ambivalent as you were in that first post. You have staked out a very strong position; should you have any doubts about standing behind that position, then it might be more problematic in entering into disputations with you. After all, you know all my tricks and ruses and feints that enable me to cover up the fact that I don't have any faith that the truth will get me through my argument. I am assuming you are a single author and not a composite of authors--the latter would, I think, mean trouble, because what will compel people most is one persons's utterly sincere testimony about Robin Carlsen--if you are pretending to be one person and you actually represent a collective consciousness--I can assure you this will show up in your next post. Because you will compromise the truth of your testimony by the falseness of your claim to be a single person. No, I think innocence and sincerity are the way to pursue this matter, Lord Knows. And I am hoping you are ready to give it your all. From the tone of this second post of yours, I would almost think you have been partially converted away from your Robin-is-psychotic-and-is-going-to-hell perspective. I will be very interested in the tone as you put it, of your next post. Reasonable and temperate? I would have thought those two qualities somewhat incompatible with your description of my character and my motives and my mental health. The truth of what happened in those ten years--Lord knows, Lord Knows, I would not want you to be persuaded to mitigate it in any way whatsoever. So you must at least make this promise to me: You will not let off on the accelerator in driving this truth home to all the readers at FFL. But sincerity and honesty: this could be the beginning of the Final Reconciliation--that is, if we are both capable of exercising these two faculties to the maximum. And I think we will need to be if we are to get to the bottom of this whole matter. Sincerely, Robin #316421 From: lordknows888 lordknows888@... Date: Tue Aug 7, 2012 1:35 pm Subject: Robin your last post has a double message ((shades of yesteryear) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316421 lordknows888 http://profiles.yahoo.com/lordknows888 [Offline] Offline [Send Email] Send Email http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/post?postID=ZYIQiytJ3jdRHg9\ 1iivtbHxWmLP7PCvGVW7MLSMFAs7jlBV6cAYXRtjpvkCw5f9cKc5Ganx-47gyxuE7TloU_ZR\ maZbAlV3s_jy5CWru6g Dear Robin, 1) I am a single author and not a composite of authors2)I did not state that you were psychotic and that you were going to hell, I stated I thought you were mentally unbalanced.3)I live my life holding myself to a standard of honesty (thanks for the pep talk on the need for honesty anyway)4)I found your post quite different in it's seeming intent which could be summarized as a exhortation to honesty, and to state that honesty is your creed. I detected an unstated subtext. It was a kind of an almost bullying posturing which you was communicating in effect you better bring your A game buddy boy because I'm going to hit that frigging honesty ball out of the park.Where do I read this subtext you ask? At least in part right here You have staked out a very strong position; should you have any doubts about standing behind that position, then it might be more problematic in entering into disputations with you. After all, you know all my tricks and ruses and feints that enable me to cover up the fact that I don't have any faith that the truth will get me through my argument.and right here, No, I think innocence and sincerity are the way to pursue this matter, LordKnows. And I am hoping you are ready to give it your all. This is like high class trash talking before playing a game. This has me feeling shades of yesteryear, I've seen this move before.5) I have also seen you seem reasonable and temperate initially as you skillfully absorb an initial hit before marshalling your forces for the counter offensive . I'm a little rusty Robin it has been over 25 years since I've seen your moves on the court, but it comes back as things play out here. What am I referencing when I state this you ask, this Reasonable and temperate? I would have thought those two qualities somewhat incompatible with your description of my character and my motives and my mental health. Not that you are not allowed to defend yourself, but do it out front and don't package it inside a message which is supposed to be about honesty. Honesty is
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Another Day In The Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote: Here we see, dear and fair readers of FFL, an example of doing less and accomplishing more displayed in the economy of only eight posts in a single day. The bubbling bliss of an obsessive cult-apologist shared with all the world. She might be a cracked pot, but she is *our* cracked pot. It's just like AZ to go for the underbelly when the jackals are trying to down the antelope. I can always count on you to wait for enough people to start in on a subject before you come out of the woodwork. The quintessential coward. Sorry, but true. Dear Ann, But I've always considered you much more porcupine than jackal. Your display of braveheartednessitude while assisting Feste in denigrating dear sweet Sunshine Sal was sooo impressive. Good on ya attacking an absent FFLer. But you won't mind me pointing that out because you are, self-described, nonreactive. bwahahaha, that one *really* cracked me up when read it. Yer killin' me girl! Yours, with xoxoxo, Azgrey (psst: it's the hypocrisy thang, stupid.) Sun Aug 5, 2012 FFL PostCount 8 Vaj knows that. ...Vaj's malicious dishonesty. ...Vaj's capacity for hatred... Vaj wrote Wonder how Vaj... ...Vaj's penchant for malicious dishonesty ... Actually it's Barry who... What Barry means... The real reason Barry ...if anyone Barry had... It isn't clear why Barry even ... ...yet another example of Barry's... I'm guessing Barry has... Here Barry was... ...such as those Barry has when... ...Barry's standard dual motivation... Barry's lying. ...in fact it was Barry who... ...between Barry and... Barry tried to ... It was stunning to watch the obsession turn on a dime from Vajradhatu to TurquoiseB. I'm sure Ann, Feste, Nabby, and Raving Lunatic Yogi are s proud. Boy, how would ya like drawing to an inside straight with those four? http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
So, you've changed in the intervening years. Have you accepted Jesus as your personal Savior? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Dear Lord Knows, There is something else which you must bear in mind in wondering how I received your categorical judgment of my sanity, my character, and my actions. It is this, Lord Knows: that I believe that the truth about those ten years, about my behaviour, about my enlightenment, about the pain and terror I created in the souls of other human beings, the matter of free will versus cosmic will--that all this is being discussed here inside what I believe is a context of reality where that reality--what created us, what created the universe, what created your first person subjective sense of yourself, what created even your ability to write that post--and for me to respond to it--will pass judgment (perhaps only silently within itself) on Robin Carlsen, and the extent to which you have represented the truth of those ten years. I am keenly sensitive, then, Lord Knows, to those cues from within your post--and how you will act in response to the various rebuttals that have been directed towards you since you posted your letter--which would indicate--beyond what you yourself are identified with as the truth of this matter--reality's verdict here. In other words, Lord Knows--this is so important for you to grasp if you are sincere in wanting everyone to know the truth,--despite being the object of your castigation and damnation, I am still seeking to embrace the truth of those ten years. I have been dedicated to this very purpose for the past twenty-five years. What this comes down to, Lord Knows, is that you must not let my own desire to know and to be responsible for the truth of my actions and all that happened during those ten years because of the assumption of my enlightenment, overtake and surpass your own honest and sincere determination to get the truth out. My philosophy asks this of me; that is, to recognize there may be more reality and truth inside the consciousness and point of view of another person than myself. This, after all, is what got me launched on this self-rehabilitation project of the past twenty-five years. Someone demonstrating a more accurate perception of me than I had of myself. The beginning of the showdown: that I was gravely deceived about who I was and of course about the human normalcy of my enlightenment. Now if you do not depend only on the truth of your experience, and, in the face of challenges to the final validity or definitiveness of that experience, become defensive and evasive and belligerent in the presence of the complexities and contradictions of this whole affair, then I shall have to conclude that, in the end, you are not that sure of your judgment, you are not that sure of your sincerity, and you are not willing to go to where you must go in order to know with a sense of conviction and courage that all that you say in your post--and perhaps future posts--is 'true'. Because if you are right in what you have said about me, in the kind of person I really am (unchanged from what I was when you knew me), that I am mentally ill, deluded, and simply plain wrong, then you will trust in the objectivity and truthfulness of your testimony--without the need for any personal venom or hatred or irrationality to come into what you write. This at least--perhaps this is a simplification of reality--is how I understand the means to measure the truth of what you have said, what you are going to say, about me. *Reality and truth will do the work for you, Lord Knows*. I will then, declare that I hold myself to that standard of truth whereby I utterly trust reality to make its judgment of me known to me--even through you. But if I sense reality's refusal to go along with your judgment of me--at least to some extent--then I shall pay attention to this, because this, after all--and I know this is a point of much bitterness and condemnation for you--this is how my philosophy 'works': I seek the moral and metaphysical and aesthetic cues within the subjectivity of another person which will enable me--if we are arguing about matters where there is some dispute--to know the extent to which reality is getting behind that subjectivity, and the extent to which, because reality is not getting behind that subjectivity, that subjectivity must make up for this, by becoming more strident, more bellicose, more defensive, more isolated. If we take your post as corresponding pretty much to the truth about Robin Carlsen then it must follow that anything which is said, which has been said, which will be said, contra your judgment of me, will be received by you within a context wherein your experience is supported by reality (even if you are unaware of this support, I assure you, reality will
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robin your last post has a double message ((shades of yesteryear)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 7, 2012, at 4:35 PM, lordknows888 lordknows888@... wrote: Dear Robin, 1) I am a single author and not a composite of authors 2)I did not state that you were psychotic and that you were going to hell, I stated I thought you were mentally unbalanced. 3)I live my life holding myself to a standard of honesty (thanks for the pep talk on the need for honesty anyway) 4)I found your post quite different in it's seeming intent which could be summarized as a exhortation to honesty, and to state that honesty is your creed. I detected an unstated subtext. It was a kind of an almost bullying posturing which you was communicating in effect you better bring your A game buddy boy because I'm going to hit that frigging honesty ball out of the park.Where do I read this subtext you ask? At least in part right here You have staked out a very strong position; should you have any doubts about standing behind that position, then it might be more problematic in entering into disputations with you. After all, you know all my tricks and ruses and feints that enable me to cover up the fact that I don't have any faith that the truth will get me through my argument. and right here,No, I think innocence and sincerity are the way to pursue this matter, LordKnows. And I am hoping you are ready to give it your all. This is like high class trash talking before playing a game. This has me feeling shades of yesteryear, I've seen this move before. 5) I have also seen you seem reasonable and temperate initially as you skillfully absorb an initial hit before marshalling your forces for the counter offensive . I'm a little rusty Robin it has been over 25 years since I've seen your moves on the court, but it comes back as things play out here. What am I referencing when I state this you ask, this Reasonable and temperate? I would have thought those two qualities somewhat incompatible with your description of my character and my motives and my mental health. Not that you are not allowed to defend yourself, but do it out front and don't package it inside a message which is supposed to be about honesty. Honesty is transparency not hidden double messages. So you see Robin in your exhortation to honesty you are showing the opposite,subtle manipulation. 5)I have to tell you Robin that this kind of bully boy posturing in the guise of an exhortation to honesty is not an encouraging sign for real honesty, which is at least your stated intention. 6)Robin in my last post I stated that I was still weighing the pros and cons of entering into a dialogue with you, this last post has convinced me it is not worth it.What would be the point when right here in the first post about our potential dialogue you are up to your old tricks. Be careful of the I'm a wounded animal type pattern RWC likes to fall back on - to suck people in - typically when it's he who's on the losing end of a particular situation. I've also seen him use if `if only you could have felt it as I did' (often implying some extraordinary bliss, grace or trophy state) to draw in the (largely) TM-related folks here. Old tactic, just a New Fairfield. :-) RESPONSE: Dear Vaj,, I am sure you can explain this, but why is it that your post here contains what Lord Knows posted 22 minutes later. Are you colluding with Lord Knows?--surely you can provide some explanation for what seems suspiciously like a joint enterprise. But if I am wrong and there is an innocent (I rather think there must be, this is too much keystone cops) reason for this, you will tell me what it is. What I find staggering and nonplussing is your depiction of me here. You have never met me, Vaj, else you would know how fatally off the mark you are in almost everything you say about me--once, that is, you become critical. No one who has ever met me would say the things you say. They represent an imaginative reading of me--and do not in any way whatsoever contain the force and truth of some direct encounter with me. Lord Knows, Lord knows, he does know me--after a fashion. But again, Vaj, tell us how you preempted LK888's post to me? I am more curious than anything else. You do not know me, Vaj. You are being driven by something other than the search for the truth. And by the way: you must tell your friend, Lord Knows that he ducked the real fight, and I consider him to be cowardly for doing so. *That* should compel him to respond to those first three posts, don't you think? Especially the third one on free will. Where I have addressed a very personal question to him, which in avoiding answering, he damages his credibility fatally. Of course only in my eyes. I am sure he has garnered sympathy from other quarters. For me, though, when I make a serious accusation and judgment about
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Another Day In The Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Is it rude to say I told you so when I actually did, back on February 8th? :-) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/303806 Not at all TurquoiseB. Reviewing the Judyatri Mantra on a regular basis has the effect of shining a disinfecting light on her harpy blathering. It seems to carry an inoculating power against the Uncle Remis tarbaby syndrome. Carry on. ;-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote: Here we see, dear and fair readers of FFL, an example of doing less and accomplishing more displayed in the economy of only eight posts in a single day. The bubbling bliss of an obsessive cult-apologist shared with all the world. She might be a cracked pot, but she is *our* cracked pot. Sun Aug 5, 2012 FFL PostCount 8 Vaj knows that. ...Vaj's malicious dishonesty. ...Vaj's capacity for hatred... Vaj wrote Wonder how Vaj... ...Vaj's penchant for malicious dishonesty ... Actually it's Barry who... What Barry means... The real reason Barry ...if anyone Barry had... It isn't clear why Barry even ... ...yet another example of Barry's... I'm guessing Barry has... Here Barry was... ...such as those Barry has when... ...Barry's standard dual motivation... Barry's lying. ...in fact it was Barry who... ...between Barry and... Barry tried to ... It was stunning to watch the obsession turn on a dime from Vajradhatu to TurquoiseB. I'm sure Ann, Feste, Nabby, and Raving Lunatic Yogi are s proud. Boy, how would ya like drawing to an inside straight with those four? http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi Ann
Lord Knows, it makes me laugh too, particularly when reading Robin's responses where he uses your name constantly, sometimes I think as a little touch-in-cheek like listening to my grandmother saying ...lord knows this...and lord knows that It's a southern thing, you know...no, it's a southern thing, lord knows. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lordknows888 lordknows888@... wrote: Dear Ann. Ann thank you for very kind words and vote of confidence.This has been a very interesting day for me.I was seriously considering dialoguing with Robin but if you read my last post you will see how that unfolded.It would have been interesting but in the end exhausting, and to what purpose.If Robin would put away his old tricks and really be honest rather than always writing about the theory of how life supports honesty, than I agree it could have been potentially very worthwhile. I think a number of people on this forum would have found it of interest and it would have been a fullfillmment of my desire to have a genuine heart to heart conversation with, him as you know. Is it a lost opportunity? You could look at it that way.What to do? It is not how I would have wished it to go. As you know from our private conversations I was genuinely open and willing to find a new Robin, someone who really had moved on and had stopped his old games.I am aware Robin and others here would find that hard to believe given my post which was bitter medicine for Robin to read, but if Robin had been as reasonable and temperate as he first seemed and open to truly heartfelt honest inquiry then all could have been different. I do not claim to have the last word on Robin or anything else for that matter. I wish Robin could hear the words spoken to his heart Go and sin no more, all is forgiven as if they were spoken by Christ to him. Just to be clear I have not become a born again Christian, but when I think of what might be most healing and helpful to Robin it is just what comes to mind.Robin would probably say how presumptuous of me to assume he hasn't already experienced this or something like it, it's true of course I don't know. All I can say is I don't see the change in him that he seems to feel. All the Best Lord Knows (my online name makes me laugh a little)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Another Day In The Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote: Here we see, dear and fair readers of FFL, an example of doing less and accomplishing more displayed in the economy of only eight posts in a single day. I wonder why az quotes from only five of them while implying all eight were about Barry and Vaj, and claims they were made in a single day when it was actually over two days. He couldn't have intended to mislead anybody, could he? The bubbling bliss of an obsessive cult-apologist shared with all the world. She might be a cracked pot, but she is *our* cracked pot. Sun Aug 5, 2012 FFL PostCount 8 Vaj knows that. ...Vaj's malicious dishonesty. ...Vaj's capacity for hatred... Vaj wrote Wonder how Vaj... ...Vaj's penchant for malicious dishonesty ... Actually it's Barry who... What Barry means... The real reason Barry ...if anyone Barry had... It isn't clear why Barry even ... ...yet another example of Barry's... I'm guessing Barry has... Here Barry was... ...such as those Barry has when... ...Barry's standard dual motivation... Barry's lying. ...in fact it was Barry who... ...between Barry and... Barry tried to ... It was stunning to watch the obsession turn on a dime from Vajradhatu to TurquoiseB. Right, two posts about Vaj and then three about Barry. I'm flattered that az was glued to his computer all day Saturday and Sunday just for the thrill of catching that stunning moment when I switched my obsession from Vaj to Barry. You know what else is stunning? az never seems to be able to address anything I say concerning Barry or Vaj (or anybody else, for that matter). He did appear to be about to do so once, demanding to see my evidence for something I'd said about Vaj, claiming he wanted to discuss the issue in question. I produced the evidence, and we never heard a word more from az about it. I'm sure Ann, Feste, Nabby, and Raving Lunatic Yogi are s proud. Boy, how would ya like drawing to an inside straight with those four? Let's see, now, how long has Ravi been gone from FFL? Oh, only seven months. Well, that's OK, then. One can't always be on top of all the fast-paced developments at FFL, can one? But there are quite a few more of my minions you could have included who are still posting here. Easier for az, I suppose, to reach back more than 12 years into the past for ammunition. http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
Dear Lord Knows, Just to make sure you understand my position here: I take very seriously the truth and the feeling contained inside your initial post. I believe it was in some basic sense a just response to those ten years--within a certain inevitable perspective. But having had your say, then anything which challenges your thesis, your judgment, has to be evaluated according to the extent to which it either consolidates your thesis, or brings it--in some respects at least--into question. Now regardless of how it may have seemed to you or to others, I was only interested in responding to it with complete honesty and candour. That is, I wanted to take all of it into me and see what kind of experience I had once I had received it its most extreme point of purported truthfulness. Once I had done that, then, over the course of time, certain thoughts occurred to me--You must remember that I have been thinking about those ten years for twenty-five years now, and you must suppose, because of this, that I have considered all possible judgments of myself--and I chose to articulate those thoughts in the form of three posts. I did not conceive of what I did as some attempt to destroy your testimony in its essential integrity. But having suffered deeply and wrestled with this matter over a quarter of a century, I am naturally going to have some response to a judgment like yours since I will have to compare it with my own interrogation of myself, which I can assure you, in some very real way is more severe and searching than is represented by what you have said in that initial post. Now I composed several posts in response to your post, and after the third post, I saw that, while I was composing that third post, you had already posted, giving there an indication that you were contemplating going against your initial decision that you would not be drawn into to answering anything I had to say. I am sure, by the way, Lord Knows, that even God himself will give us a chance (should there still be something in the way of a personal judgment of our souls) to explain ourselves, to defend the actions of our life--that is, if we feel ourselves to have a clear conscience. And that is the difference here: whatever atrocities I have committed in my life, I have--although you will be furiously opposed to accepting the validity of this--done my penance over the course of these twenty-five years. And I have a personal witness to this, and his testimony is more sophisticated and profound than your own, as expressed in your post. Were you to speak to him and listen to his account of the past twenty-five years, you would immediately realize how very serious he is, how informed he is, and how his grasp of both the truth of those ten years and his grasp of the nature and problems (which were serious and almost never-ending) of his friend make your own analysis in your post seem, paradoxically enough, superficial. And he himself knows all about the excoriating and cruel humiliation and terror of confrontation--perhaps more than anyone who lived through those ten years. So. what I have done, then, Lord Knows, is to meet your post not in the ambition to demolish its truthfulness, but instead to meet it within my own sense of the truthfulness of those ten years--and the very complex and multi-leveled understanding I have gained from these past twenty-five years. What I know now about why I behaved as I did, and who I am, goes well beyond what I believe can be inferred from your post describing the Robin that you knew in those ten years and certainly what you know about the kind of human being I am now. I found your response to my fourth and provocative post a complete indulgence. You chose to put your entire focus there, neglecting--perhaps accidentally (that still is a serious matter)--to consider what I had said in the three posts which followed upon your initial post. I do not in any way consider this conversation, this dispute to be a matter of tactics or moves on the court as you put. I consider it to be almost a matter of life and death, since there are souls out there who were part of those ten years who will want us--especially if they still have some moments of perplexity and torment--to do justice, complete justice to what happened. I do believe you have laid out a case against me. I am not shirking my responsibilities in facing your charges; but, as I have tried to say here, I have lived with the misery and agony of those ten years--and the horror and terror of it all--for twenty-five years. That you would think me to be the very same person that I was when you last knew me seems intolerant and close-minded indeed. You made some reference in your second post to my being more temperate and restrained than you would have anticipated in my first two posts to you. But then, when I gently derided you for stepping outside of the affective context within which you had
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi Ann
Dear Lord Knows (Good one by the way), This is the man I know, this one right here in this post. You have always been a thoughtful, sensitive and reasonable person and I like you very much. I think FFL and you and Robin and Lord knows who else could benefit from dialogue here but I also completely understand why your heart may not be in it. I think I understand what you are looking for but I am not sure you will be able to find it on a forum format like this one. Even the tone of your second post was different from the man I know you to be so maybe it would not bring out the best of who you are, and believe me, I know you to be very loving, true and honest. You are a true seeker and you have remained a good man throughout it all. I also believe you to have moved on, are happy and surrounded by people who love you. I don't believe you to be negative, brooding or vengeful. And I understand you to love the knowledge there is to be gleaned from investigation of the human condition and the human spirit. If you ever feel in the future to jump in again I know that all of us would benefit from the depth of who you are. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lordknows888 lordknows888@... wrote: Dear Ann. Ann thank you for very kind words and vote of confidence.This has been a very interesting day for me.I was seriously considering dialoguing with Robin but if you read my last post you will see how that unfolded.It would have been interesting but in the end exhausting, and to what purpose.If Robin would put away his old tricks and really be honest rather than always writing about the theory of how life supports honesty, than I agree it could have been potentially very worthwhile. I think a number of people on this forum would have found it of interest and it would have been a fullfillmment of my desire to have a genuine heart to heart conversation with, him as you know. Is it a lost opportunity? You could look at it that way.What to do? It is not how I would have wished it to go. As you know from our private conversations I was genuinely open and willing to find a new Robin, someone who really had moved on and had stopped his old games.I am aware Robin and others here would find that hard to believe given my post which was bitter medicine for Robin to read, but if Robin had been as reasonable and temperate as he first seemed and open to truly heartfelt honest inquiry then all could have been different. I do not claim to have the last word on Robin or anything else for that matter. I wish Robin could hear the words spoken to his heart Go and sin no more, all is forgiven as if they were spoken by Christ to him. Just to be clear I have not become a born again Christian, but when I think of what might be most healing and helpful to Robin it is just what comes to mind.Robin would probably say how presumptuous of me to assume he hasn't already experienced this or something like it, it's true of course I don't know. All I can say is I don't see the change in him that he seems to feel. All the Best Lord Knows (my online name makes me laugh a little)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Another Day In The Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote: Here we see, dear and fair readers of FFL, an example of doing less and accomplishing more displayed in the economy of only eight posts in a single day. The bubbling bliss of an obsessive cult-apologist shared with all the world. She might be a cracked pot, but she is *our* cracked pot. It's just like AZ to go for the underbelly when the jackals are trying to down the antelope. I can always count on you to wait for enough people to start in on a subject before you come out of the woodwork. The quintessential coward. Sorry, but true. Dear Ann, But I've always considered you much more porcupine than jackal. Your display of braveheartednessitude while assisting Feste in denigrating dear sweet Sunshine Sal was sooo impressive. Good on ya attacking an absent FFLer. Huh? Who is Sunshine Sal? I have never commented on her in my life. I never read anything she ever wrote. But you won't mind me pointing that out because you are, self-described, nonreactive. bwahahaha, that one *really* cracked me up when read it. Yer killin' me girl! Really, I said that? Show me where. If you can I will gladly retract my statement and apologize to you. I need the practice as I told Share anyway. Yours, with xoxoxo, Azgrey (psst: it's the hypocrisy thang, stupid.) Sun Aug 5, 2012 FFL PostCount 8 Vaj knows that. ...Vaj's malicious dishonesty. ...Vaj's capacity for hatred... Vaj wrote Wonder how Vaj... ...Vaj's penchant for malicious dishonesty ... Actually it's Barry who... What Barry means... The real reason Barry ...if anyone Barry had... It isn't clear why Barry even ... ...yet another example of Barry's... I'm guessing Barry has... Here Barry was... ...such as those Barry has when... ...Barry's standard dual motivation... Barry's lying. ...in fact it was Barry who... ...between Barry and... Barry tried to ... It was stunning to watch the obsession turn on a dime from Vajradhatu to TurquoiseB. I'm sure Ann, Feste, Nabby, and Raving Lunatic Yogi are s proud. Boy, how would ya like drawing to an inside straight with those four? http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi Ann
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lordknows888 lordknows888@... wrote: Dear Ann. Ann thank you for very kind words and vote of confidence.This has been a very interesting day for me.I was seriously considering dialoguing with Robin but if you read my last post you will see how that unfolded.It would have been interesting but in the end exhausting, and to what purpose.If Robin would put away his old tricks and really be honest rather than always writing about the theory of how life supports honesty, Really be honest = humbly accept Lord Knows's scathing view of him. Old tricks = not accepting that view. than I agree it could have been potentially very worthwhile. I think a number of people on this forum would have found it of interest and it would have been a fullfillmment of my desire to have a genuine heart to heart conversation with, him as you know. Is it a lost opportunity? You could look at it that way.What to do? It is not how I would have wished it to go. It was how you wished it to go as of your first post, where you declared you had no intention of engaging with Robin. No indication in that post that you wanted a genuine heart to heart conversation with him, explicitly to the contrary. Why do I suspect you may have misrepresented your intentions to Ann when you talked to her privately? As you know from our private conversations I was genuinely open and willing to find a new Robin, someone who really had moved on and had stopped his old games.I am aware Robin and others here would find that hard to believe given my post That's an understatement. which was bitter medicine for Robin to read, Not bitter, toxic. More like poison than medicine. but if Robin had been as reasonable and temperate as he first seemed and open to truly heartfelt honest inquiry then all could have been different. I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. If you had sincerely changed your mind about wanting a dialogue with him after seeing his first posts, you would have responded to those rather than his fourth. He's right, you chose the coward's way out. I do not claim to have the last word on Robin or anything else for that matter. I wish Robin could hear the words spoken to his heart Go and sin no more, all is forgiven as if they were spoken by Christ to him. But with the emphasis on sin no more, right? As long as he behaves as you think he should behave, he's forgiven, but not otherwise. What hypocrisy. Just to be clear I have not become a born again Christian, but when I think of what might be most healing and helpful to Robin it is just what comes to mind. Just to be clear, I do not believe you have it within you to do anything that might be the least bit healing or helpful to Robin, nor do I think for one second that this is your intention. Robin would probably say how presumptuous of me to assume he hasn't already experienced this or something like it, it's true of course I don't know. All I can say is I don't see the change in him that he seems to feel. You have not been looking for it. You've seen what you wanted to see. All the Best Lord Knows (my online name makes me laugh a little)
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Aug 04 00:00:00 2012 End Date (UTC): Sat Aug 11 00:00:00 2012 284 messages as of (UTC) Wed Aug 08 00:09:41 2012 27 Robert babajii...@yahoo.com 23 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com 22 Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com 20 authfriend jst...@panix.com 15 Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net 14 sparaig lengli...@cox.net 14 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 14 Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com 14 Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 13 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 13 awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com 13 Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com 9 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com 7 John jr_...@yahoo.com 5 danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 5 Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com 5 Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com 5 Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us 4 Susan waybac...@yahoo.com 3 wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com 3 lordknows888 lordknows...@yahoo.com 3 feste37 fest...@yahoo.com 3 azgrey no_re...@yahoogroups.com 3 Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com 3 Joe geezerfr...@yahoo.com 2 raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com 2 laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com 2 Mark msilver1...@yahoo.com 2 Lord Knows lordknows...@yahoo.com 2 Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com 1 salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com 1 nelson nelsonriddle2...@yahoo.com 1 merlin vedamer...@yahoo.de 1 martyboi marty...@yahoo.com 1 iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 eustace10679 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com 1 Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com 1 Dick Mays dickm...@lisco.com 1 Dr. Jessie jmer...@vastu2vaastu.com Posters: 42 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
Excerpt from Suzanne Segal's Collision with the Infinite [New Age Books, pp80-81]. The Victoria community is a minor episode in the book, which is anyway essential reading for anyone who took up TM and subsequently had uncomfortable or alarming experiences of unboundedness or depersonalization. Note that Robert = Robin Carlsen: Robert called me late one night. He said he had felt strange ever since our talk the previous week, and he wondered what I had done to him. This was the kind of accusation that Robert often levelled at others. Whenever he felt dissociated, spacey, or dissolved in someone's presence, he concluded that the person must be evil . . . . . . At six in the morning, Robert's wife came into my room and woke me. She said that Robert was outside in the entryway and wanted to speak with me. What she didn't tell me was that Robert had been telling the other students in the house that I was evil because I was Jewish.The previous week, apparently, he had come to the conclusion that all Jews were evil . . . I met Robert . . . He started by accusing me of making him feel strange the previous week, then proceeded to enumerate all the things I had done to him. Finally he told me I needed to leave right away because all Jews were evil and therefore were no longer welcome in this house, which was a sacred space to him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Another Day In The Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote: snip Your display of braveheartednessitude while assisting Feste in denigrating dear sweet Sunshine Sal was sooo impressive. Good on ya attacking an absent FFLer. Huh? Who is Sunshine Sal? I have never commented on her in my life. I never read anything she ever wrote. And you weren't involved at all in the discussion with Feste about Sal. az has you confused with someone else. But you won't mind me pointing that out because you are, self-described, nonreactive. bwahahaha, that one *really* cracked me up when read it. Yer killin' me girl! Really, I said that? Show me where. If you can I will gladly retract my statement and apologize to you. I need the practice as I told Share anyway. You once told Vaj you were *UNreactive* with regard to your WTS days: - [Vaj wrote:] Each person will respond very differently. For example one might expect someone who was found to be demonic would react strongly, someone who never was, less so. [Ann wrote:] One might expect that, but I was an heavily confronted numerous times and I consider myself rather well-adjusted and unreactive, about this and many other aspects of the old days including dear old Robin himself. It just doesn't compute with me to not take total responsibility for my involvement. No one is to blame, for any of it, except myself and I don't even blame me. It was all really good and necessary in the end (and in the now). - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316091 That was in a very specific context, i.e., that you didn't blame Robin or anybody else for your experiences with his group. So that's two strikes on az. Let's see if he goes for three.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: So, you've changed in the intervening years. Have you accepted Jesus as your personal Savior? Have you not bothered to read any of Robin's posts? If he's said once, he's said dozens of times that he converted to Catholicism back in 1987 and then deconverted. He no longer follows any religion and does not believe Jesus is even accessible in the world any longer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi Ann
WOW! that is quite a scathing summation Judy about Lord Knows. I felt that Lord Knows post was excellent and hit the nail directly on the head and countersunk it. That post basically was 98% accurate, which for some may be difficult to take. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lordknows888 lordknows888@ wrote: Dear Ann. Ann thank you for very kind words and vote of confidence.This has been a very interesting day for me.I was seriously considering dialoguing with Robin but if you read my last post you will see how that unfolded.It would have been interesting but in the end exhausting, and to what purpose.If Robin would put away his old tricks and really be honest rather than always writing about the theory of how life supports honesty, Really be honest = humbly accept Lord Knows's scathing view of him. Old tricks = not accepting that view. than I agree it could have been potentially very worthwhile. I think a number of people on this forum would have found it of interest and it would have been a fullfillmment of my desire to have a genuine heart to heart conversation with, him as you know. Is it a lost opportunity? You could look at it that way.What to do? It is not how I would have wished it to go. It was how you wished it to go as of your first post, where you declared you had no intention of engaging with Robin. No indication in that post that you wanted a genuine heart to heart conversation with him, explicitly to the contrary. Why do I suspect you may have misrepresented your intentions to Ann when you talked to her privately? As you know from our private conversations I was genuinely open and willing to find a new Robin, someone who really had moved on and had stopped his old games.I am aware Robin and others here would find that hard to believe given my post That's an understatement. which was bitter medicine for Robin to read, Not bitter, toxic. More like poison than medicine. but if Robin had been as reasonable and temperate as he first seemed and open to truly heartfelt honest inquiry then all could have been different. I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. If you had sincerely changed your mind about wanting a dialogue with him after seeing his first posts, you would have responded to those rather than his fourth. He's right, you chose the coward's way out. I do not claim to have the last word on Robin or anything else for that matter. I wish Robin could hear the words spoken to his heart Go and sin no more, all is forgiven as if they were spoken by Christ to him. But with the emphasis on sin no more, right? As long as he behaves as you think he should behave, he's forgiven, but not otherwise. What hypocrisy. Just to be clear I have not become a born again Christian, but when I think of what might be most healing and helpful to Robin it is just what comes to mind. Just to be clear, I do not believe you have it within you to do anything that might be the least bit healing or helpful to Robin, nor do I think for one second that this is your intention. Robin would probably say how presumptuous of me to assume he hasn't already experienced this or something like it, it's true of course I don't know. All I can say is I don't see the change in him that he seems to feel. You have not been looking for it. You've seen what you wanted to see. All the Best Lord Knows (my online name makes me laugh a little)
[FairfieldLife] Greetings from the New York Center for Nonviolent Communication
Greetings, We are excited and grateful for the opportunity to share this upcoming event with you: NVC Discovery Weekend August 31 - September 2, 2012 in Chelsea, Manhattan http://www.nycnvc.org/dwe.htm . It is a weekend of learning, sharing and discussing what Jack Canfield, Deepak Chopra, John Gray, Marianne Williamson and many more have called: `dynamic... life-changing... healing... invaluable... most useful processes you will ever learn... effective... elegant... intrinsically radical... timely... necessary... simple... insightful... liberating... concise... essential... transformative... as radical and changing as the eight-fold path... a must read!... powerful!' ABOUT NYCNVC NYCNVC is committed to contributing to the growth and development of anyone wishing to integrate Nonviolent Communication (NVC) into their lives. The NVC Discovery Weekend is our most popular in-person workshop, and is the ideal preparation for our residential intensives http://nycnvc.org/trainings.htm and 52 week online course http://nycnvc.org/cc_online_2012.htm (which this year includes over 1,000 participants from 6 continents and 54 countries). WHY YOU? We are contacting you because we read your mission, it appears to us to be complementary with our own, and we hope that you will find this event relevant to the members of your group. If that is not the case, or should you have any questions or feedback, please contact us directly: off...@nycnvc.org. I sincerely hope this is of use to you and yours. (See posting info below) Warmly, Kumari and Antonio THE POSTING Are you enrolled in the NYCNVC Discovery Weekend? (Aug 31 - Sep 2) A weekend of learning, sharing and discussing what Jack Canfield, Deepak Chopra, John Gray, Marianne Williamson and many more have called: `dynamic... life-changing... healing... invaluable... most useful processes you will ever learn... effective... elegant... intrinsically radical... timely... necessary... simple... insightful... liberating... concise... essential... transformative... as radical and changing as the eight-fold path... a must read!... powerful!' What This training is for anyone who wants a comprehensive introductory training in Nonviolent Communication (NVC) with a certified CNVC trainer. It is also helpful for those who already know NVC and want deeper integration. The weekend provides the movement and intensity that many beginners want and the depth practiced NVCers can benefit from. It is a highly effective way to transform relationships with your friends, family, and enemies, and bring more compassion, harmony and fun into your life. The weekend includes experiential exercises, demonstrations, role plays and more. When August 31st - September 2nd 2012 Friday 7:00 PM-9:15 PM, Saturday 9:30 AM-4:30 PM, Sunday 9:30 AM-4:30 PM Where Sivananda Yoga Center (Chelsea, Manhattan) How Much $260 To register for the Discovery Weekend, visit : http://www.nycnvc.org/dwe.htm http://www.nycnvc.org/dwe.htm http://www.nycnvc.org/dwe.htm Questions off...@nycnvc.org or (646) 201-9226
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
Seraphita: This was indeed a spectacularly disturbing and violent episode during those ten years. I did attempt to find within Suzanne the evidence which seemed to make of her someone invulnerable to the reality of everything that I thought I was living for as the enlightened man. But this incident has some important antecedents. First of all, my brother is an Orthodox Jew, and has close ties to the state of Israel. In the time I spent in Israel in 1985 I had a profound experience of the beauty of the Jewish people. They seemed a superior race of people (I have already in another post referred to the Jewish settler that I intreviewed, and my time in being invited to dinner in a Israeli household where we talked freely. I had very serious conversations with many Israelis while I was there. I took away an experience of Israel which was ultra-positive, I would say, even mystically positive. And when I returned to North America I had intended to write a book about Israel and the Jewish people, especially in regard to the Palestinians. It would set out the fact that I believe the Jewish people to be more beautiful than any other race of people. They had the genetic credentials, then, to be the Chosen People. But in preparation for writing this book I began to perceive the integrity of Jewishness as being something dominant and overpowering, and it seemed that a Jewish person subconsciously looked down upon the goyim--the non-Jew. This became a metaphysical perception, and dominated my experience. And I especially felt my own vulnerability in this context even as I was enlightened and presumably beyond the power of being influenced by what I selected out as the metaphysical reality of Jewishness. However, before I became aware of what seemed, from within my enlightenment, to be a preternatural form of integrity inside every Jewish person (and my brother seemed the exemplary instance of this; I had known him all my life, and although we were raised in a goyim household he became convinced while at graduate school during the Six Day War that we had Jewish ancestors and he was a Jew. So he converted, and as soon as he did--and married an Orthodox Jewish woman--he suddenly seemed comprehensible to me. And after that I always saw him as a Jew first (which he believed he was) and my brother second. He meanwhile looked upon me as the classic and quintessential goyim and he controlled the context intellectually, and made it very clear to me the rightness and truthfulness of himself as a Jew. He was inside reality; I was now on the outside--and he made this the most natural thing there could be. When I told an Orthodox Jew the story about all this, this Jewish man insisted I come to the synagogue, that my soul was the soul of a Jew, that my mother was Jewish, that God had made me a Jew and I must stop thinking I was a Gentile. But I never believed in the evidence for my Jewish ancestry (although I did not examine this as my brother did), and have remained a goyim to this moment. Although after the last 24 hours I am thinking of seeking refuge in the enclosed community of the Orthodox here in Toronto. :-) (I should just here stipulate that all this began before I had any interest in Catholicism; I had always, once I was grown up, rejected Christianity as utterly mythological--including the supposed divinity of Christ. Meanwhile in preparing to write my book I had a personal exchange of letters with Benjamin Netanyahu, who was then Israeli Ambassador to the United States. However, my perception of the metaphysical superiority and power of the Jewish people became an obsession, and it dominated my consciousness, even my way of seeing reality. Suzanne Segal was the most terrible victim of this perception, as I analyzed her in the most ruthless and uncompromising way: attempting to get right to the mystical level of her contempt for the goyim. It was perhaps the most intense confrontation of the ten years. I can only assume that Suzanne now, from where she exists, understands what happened, what drove me into this obsession, and even how the integrity of the Jew has always been somewhere--up until the the last 75 years or so--a problem for the Gentile since the Crucifixion of Christ, although throughout my anti-Semitic period Christ never entered into equation. I do think there is a mystery here which remains not entirely resolved for me, but I certainly have no perception of the metaphysical integrity of a Jew such as to make me anti-Semtic. But during one year there, after I returned from Israel, I was under the dominion of a prejudice, a prejudice which has gone with my enlightenment. Although I have to watch for my tendency to be especially alert in the presence of Jew, for I have always found Jewish people--with the example of my brother, who is more gifted than I am intellectually and musically--to be formidable, much more formidable than the
[FairfieldLife] Hi Ann
Dear Ann. Ann thank you for very kind words and vote of confidence.This has been a very interesting day for me.I was seriously considering dialoguing with Robin but if you read my last post you will see how that unfolded.It would have been interesting but in the end exhausting, and to what purpose.If Robin would put away his old tricks and really be honest rather than always writing about the theory of how life supports honesty, than I agree it could have been potentially very worthwhile. I think a number of people on this forum would have found it of interest and it would have been a fullfillmment of my desire to have a genuine heart to heart conversation with, him as you know. Is it a lost opportunity? You could look at it that way.What to do? It is not how I would have wished it to go. As you know from our private conversations I was genuinely open and willing to find a new Robin, someone who really had moved on and had stopped his old games.I am aware Robin and others here would find that hard to believe given my post which was bitter medicine for Robin to read, but if Robin had been as reasonable and temperate as he first seemed and open to truly heartfelt honest inquiry then all could have been different. I do not claim to have the last word on Robin or anything else for that matter. I wish Robin could hear the words spoken to his heart Go and sin no more, all is forgiven as if they were spoken by Christ to him. Just to be clear I have not become a born again Christian, but when I think of what might be most healing and helpful to Robin it is just what comes to mind.Robin would probably say how presumptuous of me to assume he hasn't already experienced this or something like it, it's true of course I don't know. All I can say is I don't see the change in him that he seems to feel. All the Best Lord Knows (my online name makes me laugh a little)
