[FairfieldLife] Re: New book, gives an interesting perspective on Maharishi
I had it set to utf-8. It's now set to Western ISO as you suggest. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: From the source of the message here's what it was doing: =E2=80=9Choly-war=E2=80=9D. It's not just with your post but a few others but only when using email. Yahoo seems to catch this and format properly on the web site. But in Thunderbird even reading the email in HTML it still displayed the special characters and rather hilariously the Euro symbol. Anyway doing a search on weird characters in Mac emails there's quite a few articles and one blog suggested instead of setting Character set to Auto set it to Western ISO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New book, gives an interesting perspective on Maharishi
LOL when I did that, my own text looked horrible. Sooo,,, its back to utf-8 as the default and I'll just run filter when I need to copy paste from safari to safari. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: I had it set to utf-8. It's now set to Western ISO as you suggest. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: From the source of the message here's what it was doing: =E2=80=9Choly-war=E2=80=9D. It's not just with your post but a few others but only when using email. Yahoo seems to catch this and format properly on the web site. But in Thunderbird even reading the email in HTML it still displayed the special characters and rather hilariously the Euro symbol. Anyway doing a search on weird characters in Mac emails there's quite a few articles and one blog suggested instead of setting Character set to Auto set it to Western ISO.
[FairfieldLife] Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-40-formerly-incarcerated-youth/
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-40-formerly-incarcerated-youth/ 40 at a cost of $10,000 = $250 per student. 2 other projects: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-25-domestic-abuse-survivors/ 25 at a cost of $6,250 = $250 per student. http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-18-former-child-prostitutes/ 18 at a cost of $4,500 = $250 per student. I wonder if this is a matching funds project, or if this is a new pricing structure for the DLF... It seems to me that $250 per student is a reasonable cost for TM instruction by anyone's standards. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: I wonder if this is a matching funds project, or if this is a new pricing structure for the DLF... It seems to me that $250 per student is a reasonable cost for TM instruction by anyone's standards. Now I understand... http://www.giveforyouth.org/projects/teach-meditation-to-at-risk-youth-around-the-globe/ It appears that it IS part of the matching funds thing with Microsoft. The $300/student cost is the normal DLF cost per student. The $250/student is probably a slight discount they are doing as part of the deal for matching funds with MS. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-40-formerly-incarcerated-youth/ 40 at a cost of $10,000 = $250 per student. 2 other projects: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-25-domestic-abuse-survivors/ 25 at a cost of $6,250 = $250 per student. http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-18-former-child-prostitutes/ 18 at a cost of $4,500 = $250 per student. I wonder if this is a matching funds project, or if this is a new pricing structure for the DLF... It seems to me that $250 per student is a reasonable cost for TM instruction by anyone's standards. While I agree that this is a good sign, and FAR more reasonable a cost for learning to meditate, TM-style, I think your phrase by anyone's standards reflects a lack of research on what other types of meditation cost to learn. For example, the results of 30 seconds of Googling: Vipassana Mediation: How much does the course cost? Each student who attends a Vipassana course is given this gift by a previous student. There is no charge for either the teaching, or for room and board. All Vipassana courses worldwide are run on a strictly voluntary donation basis. At the end of your course, if you have benefited from the experience, you are welcome to donate for the coming course, according to your volition and your means. Sahaja Yoga Meditation: Whether in the public, community, or business sectors, Sahaja Yoga Meditation is available without charge to the general public and to many schools, universities, hospitals, commun- ity centers and major corporations. As far as I know, neither of these organizations has assets in the billions of dollars. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-40-formerly-incarcerated-youth/ 40 at a cost of $10,000 = $250 per student. 2 other projects: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-25-domestic-abuse-survivors/ 25 at a cost of $6,250 = $250 per student. http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-18-former-child-prostitutes/ 18 at a cost of $4,500 = $250 per student. I wonder if this is a matching funds project, or if this is a new pricing structure for the DLF... It seems to me that $250 per student is a reasonable cost for TM instruction by anyone's standards. While I agree that this is a good sign, and FAR more reasonable a cost for learning to meditate, TM-style, I think your phrase by anyone's standards reflects a lack of research on what other types of meditation cost to learn. For example, the results of 30 seconds of Googling: Vipassana Mediation: How much does the course cost? Each student who attends a Vipassana course is given this gift by a previous student. There is no charge for either the teaching, or for room and board. All Vipassana courses worldwide are run on a strictly voluntary donation basis. At the end of your course, if you have benefited from the experience, you are welcome to donate for the coming course, according to your volition and your means. And strongly encouraged to give as much as possible to the Buddhists creating a great strain in the (mostly) young people who took the course. Sahaja Yoga Meditation: As far as I know, neither of these organizations has assets in the billions of dollars. Just sayin'... Nor do they have techniques that works very well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-40-formerly-incarcerated-youth/ 40 at a cost of $10,000 = $250 per student. 2 other projects: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-25-domestic-abuse-survivors/ 25 at a cost of $6,250 = $250 per student. http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-18-former-child-prostitutes/ 18 at a cost of $4,500 = $250 per student. I wonder if this is a matching funds project, or if this is a new pricing structure for the DLF... It seems to me that $250 per student is a reasonable cost for TM instruction by anyone's standards. While I agree that this is a good sign, and FAR more reasonable a cost for learning to meditate, TM-style, I think your phrase by anyone's standards reflects a lack of research on what other types of meditation cost to learn. For example, the results of 30 seconds of Googling: Vipassana Mediation: How much does the course cost? Each student who attends a Vipassana course is given this gift by a previous student. There is no charge for either the teaching, or for room and board. All Vipassana courses worldwide are run on a strictly voluntary donation basis. At the end of your course, if you have benefited from the experience, you are welcome to donate for the coming course, according to your volition and your means. And strongly encouraged to give as much as possible to the Buddhists creating a great strain in the (mostly) young people who took the course. Sahaja Yoga Meditation: As far as I know, neither of these organizations has assets in the billions of dollars. Just sayin'... Nor do they have techniques that works very well. Sahaja Yoga or Shri Mataji is not a very good example, because the lady is really weird and it's really a Hindu cult, BUT, it's free, and it works *very well* - at least for me. I took it, it's a kundalini raising initiation, and what shall I say, it really did it. I dislike the lady, but the initiation gave me a strong kundalini experience that lasted for two weeks. I think probably comparable to Muktananda Siddha Yoga. Btw. she was formerly a disciple of Osho, and then met Muktananda, but never joined him. http://www.rebelliousspirit.com/osho-webzine/1480/show/sharing
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Very beautiful, navashok, thank you. I love that part about renouncing the renunciation even. I've never before heard of the Ribhu Gita. Is it part of the Vedic literature? You could say so. It's part of the Shivarahasya Purana, and is to it, what the Gita is to the Mahabharatam. It's a very fundamental Vedantic scripture, and a favorite of Ramana Maharshi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shivarahasya_Purana It seems, that there was a Tamil translation of this book the library of one of the older Ashrams in Tiruvannamalai - the Eshanya Math - http://wikimapia.org/20376193/ESANYA-MADAM and he read it there for the first time - and recognized that he finally found a text which exactly described his experience. It is still being read every day as part of the ceremonies at the Ramana Ashram, but in Tamil. There is another Sadhu near Tiru, who's main teaching is the Ribhu Gita, his name is Thuli Baba. I came across it, when Poonjaji (Guru of Gangaji, disciple of Ramana) read it every day in the lecture hall in Lucknow. I don't think we really have to let go of anything. That which is, is always letting go and holding on, That doesn't need any help from us. But I just walked to the library and the air was so fresh and the sun huge and orange on the western horizon. The branches of trees are still bare against the light blue sky, some birds are singing. At such a time Truth is a sweet companion. From: navashok no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: A professor at MUM once explained that as one progresses, especially from CC to GC, what happens can be described as the depth coming up to the surface of life.àSo we might not feel deep, even during TM.àAnd we shouldn't TRY to feel deep. Deep is only a word. A concept. Deep also is used in deep sleep. I sometimes say, that I am very high up. But you are right. In a similar way it seems, with the TMSP, we more and more experience a mix of silence and liveliness together.àSo I extrapolate from that that it's counter productive to try and experience PURE silence. You can't try anyway. One has to remember that all these descriptions are concepts, and unless we let go of the concepts, we can't really get there. Here from the Ribhu Gita: All is a built-up structure of words and meanings. The apprehension of all worlds does not exist. All holy waters are, indeed, unreal. All temples of gods, too, are unreal. All being only Consciousness, the name all never is. Renouncing all forms, be of the certitude that all is Brahman. All is Brahman; that is the Truth. The phenomenal world and prakriti (manifestation), verily do not exist. Renounce the remembrance of prakriti and resort to the remembrance of Brahman. Then, renouncing even that, be firm in your own nature. Renouncing further this established nature, remain only as the Self. Renouncing the renunciation even, ever leave off the idea of any difference. Surrounding yourself yourself, abide in yourself yourself. What the finger points out as this is a deceased thought; this is only of words and speech. All is supposition. There is no doubt of this. All is unreal. There is no uncertainty of this. All is insignificant. There is no doubt of this. All is delusion. There is no doubt of this. (Rib.G 18, 24-30) From: navashok no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 6:42 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object? à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: It turns out that the EEG pattern of long-term TMers during TM remains the same as the EEG pattern found in short-term TMers: it's simple relaxation, no matter how long you have been doing it. Pure Consciousness is just the same pattern in its most extreme form. In every other meditation technique with published research, you see a shift away from simple relaxation towards something different, as you become more experienced. In other words, I wouldn't trust the words of a non-TM teacher with regards to your TM practice. They literally don't understand where you are at and can only attempt to transform your practice into their practice. Ahem. Isn't another way of interpreting your first two
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
Thing is, these organizations aren't secular and aren't working with established charities and the TM teacher needs a place to live other than an ashram. And as for the billions in assets... If that exists, it is in the form of land investments and while I know the TMO has made a few good land deals over the years, it has also made some horrible ones too. Unless the real estate investments in India are really topnotch, it's not likely that the TMO has billions in assets. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-40-formerly-incarcerated-youth/ 40 at a cost of $10,000 = $250 per student. 2 other projects: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-25-domestic-abuse-survivors/ 25 at a cost of $6,250 = $250 per student. http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-18-former-child-prostitutes/ 18 at a cost of $4,500 = $250 per student. I wonder if this is a matching funds project, or if this is a new pricing structure for the DLF... It seems to me that $250 per student is a reasonable cost for TM instruction by anyone's standards. While I agree that this is a good sign, and FAR more reasonable a cost for learning to meditate, TM-style, I think your phrase by anyone's standards reflects a lack of research on what other types of meditation cost to learn. For example, the results of 30 seconds of Googling: Vipassana Mediation: How much does the course cost? Each student who attends a Vipassana course is given this gift by a previous student. There is no charge for either the teaching, or for room and board. All Vipassana courses worldwide are run on a strictly voluntary donation basis. At the end of your course, if you have benefited from the experience, you are welcome to donate for the coming course, according to your volition and your means. Sahaja Yoga Meditation: Whether in the public, community, or business sectors, Sahaja Yoga Meditation is available without charge to the general public and to many schools, universities, hospitals, commun- ity centers and major corporations. As far as I know, neither of these organizations has assets in the billions of dollars. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Very beautiful, navashok, thank you. I love that part about renouncing the renunciation even. I've never before heard of the Ribhu Gita. Is it part of the Vedic literature? You could say so. It's part of the Shivarahasya Purana, and is to it, what the Gita is to the Mahabharatam. It's a very fundamental Vedantic scripture, and a favorite of Ramana Maharshi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shivarahasya_Purana It seems, that there was a Tamil translation of this book the library of one of the older Ashrams in Tiruvannamalai - the Eshanya Math - http://wikimapia.org/20376193/ESANYA-MADAM and he read it there for the first time - and recognized that he finally found a text which exactly described his experience. It is still being read every day as part of the ceremonies at the Ramana Ashram, but in Tamil. There is another Sadhu near Tiru, who's main teaching is the Ribhu Gita, his name is Thuli Baba. http://www.gurusfeet.com/guru/thuli-baba I came across it, when Poonjaji (Guru of Gangaji, disciple of Ramana) read it every day in the lecture hall in Lucknow. http://books.google.de/books?id=8XL-bc7TzRwCdq I don't think we really have to let go of anything. That which is, is always letting go and holding on, That doesn't need any help from us. But I just walked to the library and the air was so fresh and the sun huge and orange on the western horizon. The branches of trees are still bare against the light blue sky, some birds are singing. At such a time Truth is a sweet companion. From: navashok no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: A professor at MUM once explained that as one progresses, especially from CC to GC, what happens can be described as the depth coming up to the surface of life.àSo we might not feel deep, even during TM.àAnd we shouldn't TRY to feel deep. Deep is only a word. A concept. Deep also is used in deep sleep. I sometimes say, that I am very high up. But you are right. In a similar way it seems, with the TMSP, we more and more experience a mix of silence and liveliness together.àSo I extrapolate from that that it's counter productive to try and experience PURE silence. You can't try anyway. One has to remember that all these descriptions are concepts, and unless we let go of the concepts, we can't really get there. Here from the Ribhu Gita: All is a built-up structure of words and meanings. The apprehension of all worlds does not exist. All holy waters are, indeed, unreal. All temples of gods, too, are unreal. All being only Consciousness, the name all never is. Renouncing all forms, be of the certitude that all is Brahman. All is Brahman; that is the Truth. The phenomenal world and prakriti (manifestation), verily do not exist. Renounce the remembrance of prakriti and resort to the remembrance of Brahman. Then, renouncing even that, be firm in your own nature. Renouncing further this established nature, remain only as the Self. Renouncing the renunciation even, ever leave off the idea of any difference. Surrounding yourself yourself, abide in yourself yourself. What the finger points out as this is a deceased thought; this is only of words and speech. All is supposition. There is no doubt of this. All is unreal. There is no uncertainty of this. All is insignificant. There is no doubt of this. All is delusion. There is no doubt of this. (Rib.G 18, 24-30) From: navashok no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 6:42 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object? à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: It turns out that the EEG pattern of long-term TMers during TM remains the same as the EEG pattern found in short-term TMers: it's simple relaxation, no matter how long you have been doing it. Pure Consciousness is just the same pattern in its most extreme form. In every other meditation technique with published research, you see a shift away from simple relaxation towards something different, as you become more experienced. In other words, I wouldn't
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: [...] Sahaja Yoga or Shri Mataji is not a very good example, because the lady is really weird and it's really a Hindu cult, BUT, it's free, and it works *very well* - at least for me. I took it, it's a kundalini raising initiation, and what shall I say, it really did it. I dislike the lady, but the initiation gave me a strong kundalini experience that lasted for two weeks. I think probably comparable to Muktananda Siddha Yoga. Btw. she was formerly a disciple of Osho, and then met Muktananda, but never joined him. http://www.rebelliousspirit.com/osho-webzine/1480/show/sharing So you think that teaching former child-prostitutes kundalini raising initiations is going to be a good way for them to handle PTSD? L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: [...] Sahaja Yoga or Shri Mataji is not a very good example, because the lady is really weird and it's really a Hindu cult, BUT, it's free, and it works *very well* - at least for me. I took it, it's a kundalini raising initiation, and what shall I say, it really did it. I dislike the lady, but the initiation gave me a strong kundalini experience that lasted for two weeks. I think probably comparable to Muktananda Siddha Yoga. Btw. she was formerly a disciple of Osho, and then met Muktananda, but never joined him. http://www.rebelliousspirit.com/osho-webzine/1480/show/sharing So you think that teaching former child-prostitutes kundalini raising initiations is going to be a good way for them to handle PTSD? L Plaze read the context!! I did NOT recommend it, but commented on Barry - giving my own experience. But giving my thoughts: who says that it couldn't work?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Very beautiful, navashok, thank you. I love that part about renouncing the renunciation even. I've never before heard of the Ribhu Gita. Is it part of the Vedic literature? You could say so. It's part of the Shivarahasya Purana, and is to it, what the Gita is to the Mahabharatam. It's a very fundamental Vedantic scripture, and a favorite of Ramana Maharshi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shivarahasya_Purana It seems, that there was a Tamil translation of this book the library of one of the older Ashrams in Tiruvannamalai - the Eshanya Math - http://wikimapia.org/20376193/ESANYA-MADAM and he read it there for the first time - and recognized that he finally found a text which exactly described his experience. It is still being read every day as part of the ceremonies at the Ramana Ashram, but in Tamil. There is another Sadhu near Tiru, who's main teaching is the Ribhu Gita, his name is Thuli Baba. http://www.gurusfeet.com/guru/thuli-baba I came across it, when Poonjaji (Guru of Gangaji, disciple of Ramana) read it every day in the lecture hall in Lucknow. http://books.google.de/books?id=8XL-bc7TzRwCdq More directly giving the quote http://books.google.de/books?id=8XL-bc7TzRwClpg=PA295vq=brahmanpg=PA155#v=snippetq=155f=false I don't think we really have to let go of anything. That which is, is always letting go and holding on, That doesn't need any help from us. But I just walked to the library and the air was so fresh and the sun huge and orange on the western horizon. The branches of trees are still bare against the light blue sky, some birds are singing. At such a time Truth is a sweet companion. From: navashok no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: A professor at MUM once explained that as one progresses, especially from CC to GC, what happens can be described as the depth coming up to the surface of life.àSo we might not feel deep, even during TM.àAnd we shouldn't TRY to feel deep. Deep is only a word. A concept. Deep also is used in deep sleep. I sometimes say, that I am very high up. But you are right. In a similar way it seems, with the TMSP, we more and more experience a mix of silence and liveliness together.àSo I extrapolate from that that it's counter productive to try and experience PURE silence. You can't try anyway. One has to remember that all these descriptions are concepts, and unless we let go of the concepts, we can't really get there. Here from the Ribhu Gita: All is a built-up structure of words and meanings. The apprehension of all worlds does not exist. All holy waters are, indeed, unreal. All temples of gods, too, are unreal. All being only Consciousness, the name all never is. Renouncing all forms, be of the certitude that all is Brahman. All is Brahman; that is the Truth. The phenomenal world and prakriti (manifestation), verily do not exist. Renounce the remembrance of prakriti and resort to the remembrance of Brahman. Then, renouncing even that, be firm in your own nature. Renouncing further this established nature, remain only as the Self. Renouncing the renunciation even, ever leave off the idea of any difference. Surrounding yourself yourself, abide in yourself yourself. What the finger points out as this is a deceased thought; this is only of words and speech. All is supposition. There is no doubt of this. All is unreal. There is no uncertainty of this. All is insignificant. There is no doubt of this. All is delusion. There is no doubt of this. (Rib.G 18, 24-30) From: navashok no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 6:42 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object? à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: It turns out that the EEG pattern of long-term TMers during TM remains the same as the EEG pattern found in short-term TMers: it's simple relaxation, no matter how long you have been
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: [...] Sahaja Yoga or Shri Mataji is not a very good example, because the lady is really weird and it's really a Hindu cult, BUT, it's free, and it works *very well* - at least for me. I took it, it's a kundalini raising initiation, and what shall I say, it really did it. I dislike the lady, but the initiation gave me a strong kundalini experience that lasted for two weeks. I think probably comparable to Muktananda Siddha Yoga. Btw. she was formerly a disciple of Osho, and then met Muktananda, but never joined him. http://www.rebelliousspirit.com/osho-webzine/1480/show/sharing So you think that teaching former child-prostitutes kundalini raising initiations is going to be a good way for them to handle PTSD? L Plaze read the context!! I did NOT recommend it, but commented on Barry - giving my own experience. But giving my thoughts: who says that it couldn't work? Navashok, It's poly true. Until those kids get some further clarifying technique and method on their subtle energetic system beyond just the reductionism of TM (meditation equals alpha wave global coherence) their resolution will be incremental at best with TM. Though the TM tru-believers with no experience of this would never believe it. They are so in the head.
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: The Second Amendment as an Expression of First Principles
From: impri...@hillsdaleconnect.org Reply-to: happeni...@hillsdale.edu To: wle...@aol.com Sent: 3/28/2013 10:19:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: The Second Amendment as an Expression of First Principles _Click here_ (http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/p/vsIlRPj6NC) if you cannot see this email. (http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/12026854:15054391730:m:1:214094475:CBE50C2BA82E39C2A207CD7C718C3410:r) March 2013 • Volume 42, Number 3 The Second Amendment as an Expression of First Principles Edward J. Erler California State University, San Bernardino EDWARD J. ERLER is professor of political science at California State University, San Bernardino. He earned his B.A. from San Jose State University and his M.A. and Ph.D. in government from the Claremont Graduate School. He has published numerous articles on constitutional topics in journals such as Interpretation, the Notre Dame Journal of Law, and the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy. He was a member of the California Advisory Commission on Civil Rights from 1988-2006 and served on the California Constitutional Revision Commission in 1996. He is the author of The American Polity and co-author of The Founders on Citizenship and Immigration. The following is adapted from a lecture delivered on February 13, 2013, at Hillsdale College’s Kirby Center for Constitutional Studies and Citizenship in Washington, D.C. We are currently mired in a frantic debate about the rights of gun owners. One example should suffice to prove that the debate has become hysterical: Second Amendment supporters, one prominent but less than articulate member of Congress alleges, have become “enablers of mass murder.” Special animus has been directed against so-called assault rifles. These are semi-automatic, not automatic weapons—the latter have been illegal under federal law since the 1930s—because they require a trigger pull for every round fired. Some semi-automatic firearms, to be sure, can be fitted with large-capacity magazines. But what inspires the ire of gun control advocates seems to be their menacing look—somehow they don’t appear fit for polite society. No law-abiding citizen could possibly need such a weapon, we are told—after all, how many rounds from a high-powered rifle are needed to kill a deer? And we are assured that these weapons are not well-adapted for self-defense—that only the military and the police need to have them. Now it’s undeniable, Senator Dianne Feinstein to the contrary notwithstanding, that semi-automatic weapons such as the AR-15 are extremely well-adapted for home defense—especially against a crime that is becoming more and more popular among criminals, the home invasion. Over the past two decades, gun ownership has increased dramatically at the same time that crime rates have decreased. Combine this with the fact that most gun crimes are committed with stolen or illegally obtained weapons, and the formula to decrease crime is clear: Increase the number of responsible gun owners and prosecute to the greatest extent possible under the law those who commit gun-related crimes or possess weapons illegally. _Read the rest of this issue..._ (http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/12026855:15054391730:m:1:214094475:CBE50C2BA82E39C2A207CD7C718C3410:r) CONNECT WITH US (http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/12026856:15054391730:m:1:214094475:CBE50C2BA82E39C2A207CD7C718C3410:r) (http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/12026857:15054391730:m:1:214094475:CBE50C2BA82E39C2A207CD7C718 C3410:r) (http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/12026858:15054391730:m:1:214094475:CBE50C2BA82E39C2A207CD7C718C3410:r) SOCIAL SHARING (http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/p/ssIlRPj6NC?show=1h=1ch=1CID=15054391730) MESSAGE TOOLS » _Share this message_ (http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/p/ssIlRPj6NC?show=1h=1ch=1CID=15054391730) » _Forward to a friend_ (http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/forwardthis/ft.php?mID=3005163em=wle...@aol.comch=ec1e596c6516556759892606d2f105ec ) » _View this message online_ (http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/p/vsIlRPj6NC) (http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/12026859:15054391730:m:1:214094475:CBE50C2BA82E39C2A207CD7C718C3410:r) (http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/12026860:15054391730:m:1:214094475:CBE50C2 BA82E39C2A207CD7C718C3410:r) This message was intended for: _wleed3@aol.com_ (mailto:wle...@aol.com) You were added to the system November 3, 2010. For more information _click here_ (http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/p/isIlRPj6NC) . Please _click here_ (http://www.paramountcommunication.com/hillsdale_apps/index.php?email=wle...@aol.commhash=73013db4b7f8c2d1b874c6ca43b09afd) to manage your email delivery
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?
I have heard of the Shiva Puranas from a friend who loves to browse in used bookstores and find long lost copies of Vedic literature. She has metioned the Shiva Puranas a few times. I've been told that Shiva is my ishta devata and that feels right to me. When Poonjaji read the Ribhu Gita at Lucknow did he read it in English or Tamil? What did you experience? It amazes me to think that Ramana found a book that describes his experience. In another thread you wrote: Sahaja Yoga or Shri Mataji is not a very good example, because the lady is really weird and it's really a Hindu cult, BUT, it's free, and it works *very well* - at least for me. I took it, it's a kundalini raising initiation, and what shall I say, it really did it. I dislike the lady, but the initiation gave me a strong kundalini experience that lasted for two weeks. What do you mean when you say that your kundalini experience lasted for two weeks? From: navashok no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:20 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Very beautiful, navashok, thank you. I love that part about renouncing the renunciation even. I've never before heard of the Ribhu Gita. Is it part of the Vedic literature? You could say so. It's part of the Shivarahasya Purana, and is to it, what the Gita is to the Mahabharatam. It's a very fundamental Vedantic scripture, and a favorite of Ramana Maharshi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shivarahasya_Purana It seems, that there was a Tamil translation of this book the library of one of the older Ashrams in Tiruvannamalai - the Eshanya Math - http://wikimapia.org/20376193/ESANYA-MADAM and he read it there for the first time - and recognized that he finally found a text which exactly described his experience. It is still being read every day as part of the ceremonies at the Ramana Ashram, but in Tamil. There is another Sadhu near Tiru, who's main teaching is the Ribhu Gita, his name is Thuli Baba. http://www.gurusfeet.com/guru/thuli-baba I came across it, when Poonjaji (Guru of Gangaji, disciple of Ramana) read it every day in the lecture hall in Lucknow. http://books.google.de/books?id=8XL-bc7TzRwCdq More directly giving the quote http://books.google.de/books?id=8XL-bc7TzRwClpg=PA295vq=brahmanpg=PA155#v=snippetq=155f=false I don't think we really have to let go of anything. That which is, is always letting go and holding on, That doesn't need any help from us. But I just walked to the library and the air was so fresh and the sun huge and orange on the western horizon. The branches of trees are still bare against the light blue sky, some birds are singing. At such a time Truth is a sweet companion. From: navashok no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: A professor at MUM once explained that as one progresses, especially from CC to GC, what happens can be described as the depth coming up to the surface of life. So we might not feel deep, even during TM. And we shouldn't TRY to feel deep. Deep is only a word. A concept. Deep also is used in deep sleep. I sometimes say, that I am very high up. But you are right. In a similar way it seems, with the TMSP, we more and more experience a mix of silence and liveliness together. So I extrapolate from that that it's counter productive to try and experience PURE silence. You can't try anyway. One has to remember that all these descriptions are concepts, and unless we let go of the concepts, we can't really get there. Here from the Ribhu Gita: All is a built-up structure of words and meanings. The apprehension of all worlds does not exist. All holy waters are, indeed, unreal. All temples of gods, too, are unreal. All being only Consciousness, the name all never is. Renouncing all forms, be of the certitude that all is Brahman. All is Brahman; that is the Truth. The phenomenal world and prakriti (manifestation), verily do not exist. Renounce the remembrance of prakriti and resort to the remembrance of Brahman. Then, renouncing even that, be firm in your own nature. Renouncing further this established nature, remain only as the Self. Renouncing the renunciation
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
You get what you pay for. That is why most people have never heard of these two meditation programs - No one with any name recognition has found them to be successful, so rather than generating interest, or even controversy, these two marginal techniques are relegated to the backwaters of spiritual concern. Perhaps you can amuse yourself by finding all the other free and useless forms of meditation available around the globe, and then please share them with us. That is, when you aren't sticking your finger someplace warm and stinky.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-40-formerly-incarcerated-youth/ 40 at a cost of $10,000 = $250 per student. 2 other projects: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-25-domestic-abuse-survivors/ 25 at a cost of $6,250 = $250 per student. http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-18-former-child-prostitutes/ 18 at a cost of $4,500 = $250 per student. I wonder if this is a matching funds project, or if this is a new pricing structure for the DLF... It seems to me that $250 per student is a reasonable cost for TM instruction by anyone's standards. While I agree that this is a good sign, and FAR more reasonable a cost for learning to meditate, TM-style, I think your phrase by anyone's standards reflects a lack of research on what other types of meditation cost to learn. For example, the results of 30 seconds of Googling: Vipassana Mediation: How much does the course cost? Each student who attends a Vipassana course is given this gift by a previous student. There is no charge for either the teaching, or for room and board. All Vipassana courses worldwide are run on a strictly voluntary donation basis. At the end of your course, if you have benefited from the experience, you are welcome to donate for the coming course, according to your volition and your means. Sahaja Yoga Meditation: Whether in the public, community, or business sectors, Sahaja Yoga Meditation is available without charge to the general public and to many schools, universities, hospitals, commun- ity centers and major corporations. As far as I know, neither of these organizations has assets in the billions of dollars. Just sayin'...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before Java
noozguru Happy 30th Anniversary of being a computer programer. My memory takes me back even farther than that. My then husband's best friend was a programmer and he often carried around a stack of computer cards, but I think they were called something else. Anyway, they had square holes punched into them here and there. I think that's how they ran programs. Seems like ancient history! From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before Java On 03/27/2013 10:59 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: No this post is not necessarily for the geeks on FFL because there is a TM connection. I was thinking about the problems I have with software development on a certain device and thinking how dated that device is though still being sold and how much better Android devices are. Android being a Java based device (implemented on top of embedded Linux) I recalled the precursors to Java that didn't win. snip You might be interested in the product I'm working on. Imagine this: an Integrated Development Environ- ment for building mobile apps of *all* types (Android, iOS, Blackberry, Win8, Palm, you name it) that is Eclipse-based, and which you can run on any platform (Windows, Unix/Linux. Macs) and build your basic app once, then just compile and deploy for each of the target environments, adding platform-specific enhancements in Java, Objective-C, and using WYSIWYG dev tools such as JQuery, Sencha, and Dojo. There's even a built-in app center from which you can deply and sell your apps. I've probably already seen it or at least had it pitched to me (I think at least one is based in Europe). I get emails on these all the time and installed two of the cross development platforms but they required learning a whole new set of classes and I'm either too lazy for that or don't want to invest the time in something that might be passe in a few years. Bedroom software developers need to be wise in budgeting resources since many of the apps don't generate that much money to be a full time gig unless you're the one who had the wild idea that 10,000 people had but only 3 actually developed it and you got the ring when the app merry-go-round came around. It's all luck (or karma). Actually I'm a jazz musician who likes to write software. That would make about 90% of the industry cringe except for that 10% consisting of visionary entrepreneurs who want someone creative and not just an engineer. And when it's like an artform then they might wind up prying my cold dead hands off the keyboard because artists never retire. BTW, this month marks my 30th anniversary of programming computers. I bought a VIC-20 when they were $88 at K-Mart and two weeks later was writing code in assembler (BASIC was WAY too limited). Often people inquiring about my services weren't even born yet when I got that computer. And of course they know everything and I know nothing. :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Before Java
I think it was around 1987 that tech took off for me. I had a 8080 XT clone, with a 30 MB hard drive, and a 1200 baud modem. For work, I was troubleshooting the FTS (Federal Telephone System) and in my spare time, writing an HR program using Turbo Pascal, an early OOP with lousy extensibility. Moved into troubleshooting datacomm after that, learning every comm protocol I could find (SDLC, HDLC, X.25, Q.931, ATM, etc., and then when they showed up about ten years later, TCP and IP). Nice to have all that stuff reasonably stable nowadays. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: noozguru Happy 30th Anniversary of being a computer programer. My memory takes me back even farther than that. My then husband's best friend was a programmer and he often carried around a stack of computer cards, but I think they were called something else. Anyway, they had square holes punched into them here and there. I think that's how they ran programs. Seems like ancient history! From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before Java  On 03/27/2013 10:59 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: No this post is not necessarily for the geeks on FFL because there is a TM connection. I was thinking about the problems I have with software development on a certain device and thinking how dated that device is though still being sold and how much better Android devices are. Android being a Java based device (implemented on top of embedded Linux) I recalled the precursors to Java that didn't win. snip You might be interested in the product I'm working on. Imagine this: an Integrated Development Environ- ment for building mobile apps of *all* types (Android, iOS, Blackberry, Win8, Palm, you name it) that is Eclipse-based, and which you can run on any platform (Windows, Unix/Linux. Macs) and build your basic app once, then just compile and deploy for each of the target environments, adding platform-specific enhancements in Java, Objective-C, and using WYSIWYG dev tools such as JQuery, Sencha, and Dojo. There's even a built-in app center from which you can deply and sell your apps. I've probably already seen it or at least had it pitched to me (I think at least one is based in Europe). I get emails on these all the time and installed two of the cross development platforms but they required learning a whole new set of classes and I'm either too lazy for that or don't want to invest the time in something that might be passe in a few years. Bedroom software developers need to be wise in budgeting resources since many of the apps don't generate that much money to be a full time gig unless you're the one who had the wild idea that 10,000 people had but only 3 actually developed it and you got the ring when the app merry-go-round came around. It's all luck (or karma). Actually I'm a jazz musician who likes to write software. That would make about 90% of the industry cringe except for that 10% consisting of visionary entrepreneurs who want someone creative and not just an engineer. And when it's like an artform then they might wind up prying my cold dead hands off the keyboard because artists never retire. BTW, this month marks my 30th anniversary of programming computers. I bought a VIC-20 when they were $88 at K-Mart and two weeks later was writing code in assembler (BASIC was WAY too limited). Often people inquiring about my services weren't even born yet when I got that computer. And of course they know everything and I know nothing. :-D
[FairfieldLife] Paper is not dead
Speaking of the tech/daily life interface: http://vimeo.com/61275290
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?
Hmmm, I think pure awareness is thrilled with thoughts or no thoughts or even semi thoughts because all it EVER experiences is itself, but from all these different angles, so never bored. I'm thinking that the unmanifest cannot be concentrated upon because there it is, even in what is not being concentrated upon! The proverbial fish looking for the water (-: From: sound of stillness soundofstilln...@ymail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 8:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object? Can we put our attention on the experiencer? I'm not so sure. Isn't Guru Dev reported to have said it isn't possible to concentrate on the unmanifest? Or is that something else he was talking about. My experience and understanding from Edwin Bryant's YS commentary is that with greater purity pure awareness is reflected back to itself. It doesn't matter whether there are thoughts or no thoughts. My experience in meditation is if I want to think any piece of the mantra, it thrills the experiencer, pure awareness. If I don't want to, pure awareness is thrilled with whatever else the attention is on. Great dialogue. With tradition as a guide, experiencing all things anew . . . --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: First of all Lawson, I really appreciate the dialogue we are having. Don't think that I want to dump TM. I think it is a very good technique to start meditation, and I think that at a later stage it is up to everybody to either continue to advance with TM or with something else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: I suspect you are both misreading what Lawson had in mind. He isn't stupid, and he knows the TM research better than anyone here. I'm not sure what he means either, but I'd suggest you wait to draw any conclusions until he can clarify. It's very highly unlikely that either of you would be able to come up with something he had missed or hadn't accounted for. The pattern during TM is one of increased alpha EEG coherence, and that starts to level off (but never completely stops changing) after a few months of TM , but the longer one has been practicing the more the EEG outside of TM practice starts to resemble the EEG during TM practice. Now, the EEG found during pure consciousness is the most coherent found in a given TMer and if you look just at the EEG during PC, there's obviously some room for refinement during practice, but the average outside of practice starts to resemble the average during, and that was my point... because, in contrast, the average EEG during mantra-based meditation What do you mean by mantra based meditation? TM IS mantra based. Well, technically, a mantra is used in TM practice, but mantra-based practices are considered focused attention practices, and those tend to show more and more gamma EEG the longer you have been doing them. Okay. shifts from relaxed alpha to concentrative gamma as one becomes more experienced, and the average EEG outside of such practices also shifts towards less alpha and more gamma. And that is bad or worse? How do you know? Well, insomuch as these techniques all tend to fragment the brain as a side-effect of the long-term practice, while PC is a period where the brain is idling in a vary coherent way, showing the EEG associated with relaxation and rest, rather than concentration and effort, I have no way of knowing... In my experience, with higher states there comes a spontaneous concentration, really concentrated awareness, completely focused and without effort. Maharishi might say point value. Well with TM, if you REALLY are in samadhi (pure consciousness), you can't note it until such time as some degree of waking state consciousness reassumes, and by then, you are no longer in the pure state. And this is something that raises question marks for me. How could you say that you experience pure consciousness, when you 'notice' it only afterwards? Does it mean you are not conscious during the experience, or does it mean you are unable to press a button while you are in? What kind of 'purity' is this, when it is *lost* so easily? So whole model of having pure consciousness, as an overlay over normal activity, and also the normally active mind, rests on the assertion, that the purity of PC doesn't get lost, right? I think that the whole contradiction comes about, because of the definitions, how you
[FairfieldLife] US Sends B2 Bombers to South Korea
Obama shows the US military might to North Korea. What will Kim-Jong-Un do to up the ante? http://news.yahoo.com/us-sends-b-2s-south-korea-military-drills-121203496.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. But thinking of time without space is for me like contemplating a zen koan. Very fun. I was fascinated that she ended the talk with a reference to neuroscience and how progress in that field may hold the key to our understanding time itself. Thanks for posting. From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space A German physicist said so. Is she right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACS1_5jyvHE
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Sends B2 Bombers to South Korea
He (Kim Jong Un) will posture up against the US and the world vocally, and at worst will instigate a minor attack against S. Korea and call it an accident. North Korea only shows enough courage to impress their own imprisoned people of their power. It's no different than a drunk thug at a bar. He'll posture up just enough to intimidate anyone who is weak or afraid, but the moment someone walks up to him with any significant fighting experience, he'll shut up and back down. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Obama shows the US military might to North Korea. What will Kim-Jong-Un do to up the ante? http://news.yahoo.com/us-sends-b-2s-south-korea-military-drills-121203496.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before Java
The stacks of cards kept me from any interest when I was in college. And in 1978 it was a toss up between buying a computer or getting the TM-Sidhis. I still have the 50th anniversary issue of Radio-Electronics (Oct 1979 and only $1.25) which features many early personal computers and kits. Even prior to that I would read that magazine and recall the emergence of the Altair. In 1980 I had data entry gigs from Olsten's temp service because I could type. On 03/28/2013 07:42 AM, Share Long wrote: noozguru Happy 30th Anniversary of being a computer programer. My memory takes me back even farther than that. My then husband's best friend was a programmer and he often carried around a stack of computer cards, but I think they were called something else. Anyway, they had square holes punched into them here and there. I think that's how they ran programs. Seems like ancient history! From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before Java On 03/27/2013 10:59 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: No this post is not necessarily for the geeks on FFL because there is a TM connection. I was thinking about the problems I have with software development on a certain device and thinking how dated that device is though still being sold and how much better Android devices are. Android being a Java based device (implemented on top of embedded Linux) I recalled the precursors to Java that didn't win. snip You might be interested in the product I'm working on. Imagine this: an Integrated Development Environ- ment for building mobile apps of *all* types (Android, iOS, Blackberry, Win8, Palm, you name it) that is Eclipse-based, and which you can run on any platform (Windows, Unix/Linux. Macs) and build your basic app once, then just compile and deploy for each of the target environments, adding platform-specific enhancements in Java, Objective-C, and using WYSIWYG dev tools such as JQuery, Sencha, and Dojo. There's even a built-in app center from which you can deply and sell your apps. I've probably already seen it or at least had it pitched to me (I think at least one is based in Europe). I get emails on these all the time and installed two of the cross development platforms but they required learning a whole new set of classes and I'm either too lazy for that or don't want to invest the time in something that might be passe in a few years. Bedroom software developers need to be wise in budgeting resources since many of the apps don't generate that much money to be a full time gig unless you're the one who had the wild idea that 10,000 people had but only 3 actually developed it and you got the ring when the app merry-go-round came around. It's all luck (or karma). Actually I'm a jazz musician who likes to write software. That would make about 90% of the industry cringe except for that 10% consisting of visionary entrepreneurs who want someone creative and not just an engineer. And when it's like an artform then they might wind up prying my cold dead hands off the keyboard because artists never retire. BTW, this month marks my 30th anniversary of programming computers. I bought a VIC-20 when they were $88 at K-Mart and two weeks later was writing code in assembler (BASIC was WAY too limited). Often people inquiring about my services weren't even born yet when I got that computer. And of course they know everything and I know nothing. :-D
[FairfieldLife] Happy Holi
When the elephant decides to walk through the village, all the dogs come out and bark. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
[FairfieldLife] Re: Now, teacher alleges Girish Chandra Varma raped her for 15 years / Victim, Girish Chandra Varma with sexual harassment threatens to commit suicide
Yes her claim is seeming more and more ridiculous and implausible, you are on record here accepting them immediately and at face value though. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Now, teacher alleges Girish Chandra Varma raped her for 15 years Rageshri Ganguly http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/toireporter/author-Rageshri-Ganguly.cms , TNN | Mar 25, 2013, 09.21 PM IST BHOPAL: In a surprising turn of events, a teacher of Maharishi Vidya Mandir (MVM) Ratanpur, who had earlier alleged sexual harassment http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/sexual-harassment against chairman of the group Girish Chandra Varma http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Girish-Chandra-Varma , went to the Mahila Thana http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/thana-electric-supply-co-ltd/stocks/com panyid-12537.cms with her husband on Sunday to file an FIR http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/FIR of repeated rape in the same case. Though the police did not register an FIR, the police station received her written complaint. The victim alleged that the police were under pressure from Varma and she would move court with a private complaint. In the fresh complaint, the teacher alleged that Varma not only repeatedly raped her for 15 years from 1998, but also wanted her to bring students and teachers of MVM http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/MVM to him with bad intention. Also, she had alleged that Varma had threatened her and her husband with dire consequences, including death threats, if they did not comply with his wishes. After coming out of thana, she alleged, the attitude of the investing officer of sexual harassment case changed after she received a call on her mobile phone and she said that the investigation of the previous complaint is still on and hence any action would be taken only after into the case of sexual harassment. IO Seema Patel, on the other hand, remained tight-lipped. _ Victim, Girish Chandra Varma with sexual harassment threatens to commit suicide MUMBAI: The woman complainant who had charged Girish Chandra Varma of Maharshi Group http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Maharshi-Group with sexual harassment and rape has threatened to commit suicide if police failed to register an FIR. The woman had on Sunday approached the police alleging that Varma, chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir (MVM) group, had raped her for 15 years. The couple also demanded that Varma should resign from the post of chairman on moral grounds. The complainant and wife of Rajesh Sharma told media at a press conference here on Monday that the only way left for her and her family was to commit suicide. Unless the police register an FIR under sections of rape against Varma I would commit suicide in front of the chief minister's residence within a week, the complainant said. We would have to take the Geetika Sharma way ( suicide )to convince the world that we are truthful, Sharma told the media. The couple also revealed the circumstances under which the victim was raped repeatedly by Girish Chandra Varma, including the last time on January 1, 2013 in his Audi http://www.zigwheels.com/newcars/Audi car. The couple questioned that when the new rape law is in place, why the FIR was not being registered. In the name of investigation, police are just dilly dallying since March 11. When I have detailed out the circumstances of rape as asked by the police and have named Varma as the accused why an FIR is not being registered in this case?, the complainant alleged. It is also highly objectionable that police are accepting Varma's statement provided to them in a CD rather than interrogating him face-to-face, she said. The victim in her complaint has stated that Varma possessed some objectionable pictures and videos of her taken during the rape, which he had threatened to make public unless she complied with his demands. Since our families knew each other much before my marriage, I tried to sort out the matter at the women's panel. But since that has proved futile, the police should file an FIR in this matter, she said. The complaint also alleged that Varma had used her husband's e-mail account since October 2011 for sending mails and money transactions which later made out as proof http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Proof-(musician) against her. Also, my husband was made to sign on many blank papers while he was his personal secretary, which is now being used against him, she said. She reiterated that Mahila Thana http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/thana-electric-supply-co-ltd/stocks/com panyid-12537.cms investigating officer (IO) Seema Patel initially heard her complaint on Sunday but then after a phone call received by her, refused to even hear her complaint and also slammed the state women's commission (SWC). 'Defamation does not hold good' A police
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: [...] Sahaja Yoga or Shri Mataji is not a very good example, because the lady is really weird and it's really a Hindu cult, BUT, it's free, and it works *very well* - at least for me. I took it, it's a kundalini raising initiation, and what shall I say, it really did it. I dislike the lady, but the initiation gave me a strong kundalini experience that lasted for two weeks. I think probably comparable to Muktananda Siddha Yoga. Btw. she was formerly a disciple of Osho, and then met Muktananda, but never joined him. http://www.rebelliousspirit.com/osho-webzine/1480/show/sharing So you think that teaching former child-prostitutes kundalini raising initiations is going to be a good way for them to handle PTSD? L Plaze read the context!! I did NOT recommend it, but commented on Barry - giving my own experience. But giving my thoughts: who says that it couldn't work? Navashok, It's poly true. Until those kids get some further clarifying technique and method on their subtle energetic system beyond just the reductionism of TM (meditation equals alpha wave global coherence) their resolution will be incremental at best with TM. Though the TM tru-believers with no experience of this would never believe it. They are so in the head. John Douglas seems to offer effective spiritual techniques that also seem to be sanctioned by TM that a lot of TM people like in addition to TM. It is not cheap but, See: http://spiritrepair.com/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
On 03/28/2013 03:46 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-40-formerly-incarcerated-youth/ 40 at a cost of $10,000 = $250 per student. 2 other projects: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-25-domestic-abuse-survivors/ 25 at a cost of $6,250 = $250 per student. http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-18-former-child-prostitutes/ 18 at a cost of $4,500 = $250 per student. I wonder if this is a matching funds project, or if this is a new pricing structure for the DLF... It seems to me that $250 per student is a reasonable cost for TM instruction by anyone's standards. While I agree that this is a good sign, and FAR more reasonable a cost for learning to meditate, TM-style, I think your phrase by anyone's standards reflects a lack of research on what other types of meditation cost to learn. For example, the results of 30 seconds of Googling: Vipassana Mediation: How much does the course cost? Each student who attends a Vipassana course is given this gift by a previous student. There is no charge for either the teaching, or for room and board. All Vipassana courses worldwide are run on a strictly voluntary donation basis. At the end of your course, if you have benefited from the experience, you are welcome to donate for the coming course, according to your volition and your means. And strongly encouraged to give as much as possible to the Buddhists creating a great strain in the (mostly) young people who took the course. Sahaja Yoga Meditation: As far as I know, neither of these organizations has assets in the billions of dollars. Just sayin'... Nor do they have techniques that works very well. Sahaja Yoga or Shri Mataji is not a very good example, because the lady is really weird and it's really a Hindu cult, BUT, it's free, and it works *very well* - at least for me. I took it, it's a kundalini raising initiation, and what shall I say, it really did it. I dislike the lady, but the initiation gave me a strong kundalini experience that lasted for two weeks. I think probably comparable to Muktananda Siddha Yoga. Btw. she was formerly a disciple of Osho, and then met Muktananda, but never joined him. http://www.rebelliousspirit.com/osho-webzine/1480/show/sharing My tantra guru also had a student who was a juvenile probation officer and had him teach a bunch of those kids meditation for free. One of the major things that happened didn't even involve meditation. He brought a birthday cake to one meeting to celebrate the birthday of one of the kids. The kid was in tears, seems her family had NEVER celebrated her birthday.
[FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. But thinking of time without space is for me like contemplating a zen koan. Very fun. I was fascinated that she ended the talk with a reference to neuroscience and how progress in that field may hold the key to our understanding time itself. Thanks for posting. From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space  A German physicist said so. Is she right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACS1_5jyvHE
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Sends B2 Bombers to South Korea
IMO, Obama should send Dennis Rodman back to North Korea as an unofficial diplomat to ease the tensions. Rodman may be able to save the world from a nuclear war. It sounds funny but Rodman may have found himself a new gig for the time being. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: He (Kim Jong Un) will posture up against the US and the world vocally, and at worst will instigate a minor attack against S. Korea and call it an accident. North Korea only shows enough courage to impress their own imprisoned people of their power. It's no different than a drunk thug at a bar. He'll posture up just enough to intimidate anyone who is weak or afraid, but the moment someone walks up to him with any significant fighting experience, he'll shut up and back down. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Obama shows the US military might to North Korea. What will Kim-Jong-Un do to up the ante? http://news.yahoo.com/us-sends-b-2s-south-korea-military-drills-121203496.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: [...] Sahaja Yoga or Shri Mataji is not a very good example, because the lady is really weird and it's really a Hindu cult, BUT, it's free, and it works *very well* - at least for me. I took it, it's a kundalini raising initiation, and what shall I say, it really did it. I dislike the lady, but the initiation gave me a strong kundalini experience that lasted for two weeks. I think probably comparable to Muktananda Siddha Yoga. Btw. she was formerly a disciple of Osho, and then met Muktananda, but never joined him. http://www.rebelliousspirit.com/osho-webzine/1480/show/sharing So you think that teaching former child-prostitutes kundalini raising initiations is going to be a good way for them to handle PTSD? Plaze read the context!! I did NOT recommend it, but commented on Barry - giving my own experience. But giving my thoughts: who says that it couldn't work? Nor did Barry recommend it. I know nothing about it, and stipulated in my original post that it was based on 30 seconds of Googling. My point in posting what I did was Lawson's silly statement that this supposedly low price (which it turns out is partially subsidized by Microsoft) is fair by anyone's standards. That's just DUMB, and reflects a lack of knowledge of what meditation is worth in the marketplace, and what other teachers of meditation's standards *are*. There are a number of organizations that teach for free, because the people who teach *do it* for free. I'm of the opinion that this is a plus, not a minus, and reflects a better mentality on the part of the teacher. Please don't forget that this supposedly low price for TM is available only to a very few people in instances where it is being paid for by someone other than themselves. Anyone else still pays the sticker price. Even THAT wouldn't bother Lawson, because he's made excuses for that in the past, too. I think they're excuses, made by people who, if they were being honest, cannot find any way to justify to *themselves* the unconscionably high prices that the TMO charges for TM, but feel the need to make such justifications to others. The high prices are a form of discrimination. Only the wealthy or well-to-do (or those who have some organization willing to pay the fee *for* them) get to learn TM. The rest can go suck eggs. This is the TM version of compassion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I think they're excuses, made by people who, if they were being honest, cannot find any way to justify to *themselves* the unconscionably high prices that the TMO charges for TM, but feel the need to make such justifications to others. The high prices are a form of discrimination. Only the wealthy or well-to-do (or those who have some organization willing to pay the fee *for* them) get to learn TM. The rest can go suck eggs. This is the TM version of compassion. DrD's comment above is a proper answer to your endless nonsense. He wrote: You get what you pay for. That is why most people have never heard of these two meditation programs - No one with any name recognition has found them to be successful, so rather than generating interest, or even controversy, these two marginal techniques are relegated to the backwaters of spiritual concern. Perhaps you can amuse yourself by finding all the other free and useless forms of meditation available around the globe, and then please share them with us. That is, when you aren't sticking your finger someplace warm and stinky.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Gilead, John Willison, 1742
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes! OMG! It's what I've been trying to tell you all. -Buck in the Dome Great Unified Field, attend while Zion sings The joy that from Thy presence springs; --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: Willison was a preacher in the Church of Scotland. . . THE BALM OF GILEAD, by John Willison, 1742. A day of the ministration of the Spirit would bring many rare and rich blessings along with it, such as the discoveries of the Redeemer's glory, convictions of the evil and vileness of sin, many crowns of victory and triumph to Christ, great additions to his friends and followers. Then gospel-light would shine clear, saving knowledge increase, ignorance and error vanish, riches of free grace would be displayed, and Satan be bound up. Then ministers and ordinances would be lively, secure sinners would be awakened, dead souls would live, heard hearts would be melted, strong lusts subdued, and many sons and daughters born to God. Such a day would heal divisions, cement breaches, make us all of one heart and mind, and bring down Heaven to earth. This would redress our grievances, remove our complaints, and unite, Christs's scattered flock. It would make true religion and holy persons to be in esteem, vice to be in disgrace, and iniquity as ashamed to hide its face. Then sabbaths and communions would be days of heaven. Prayers and praise, spiritual converse, talking of Christ and redeeming love, would be our chiefest delight. Oh, then, pray for such a time Om Yes, let us work for such times for all! And, that in the spiritual work there are not things Negative and unhelpful to how we live our lives in a spiritual journey of balance and harmony aimed at the growth and perfection of the soul while here on earth? Yes certainly there are! Yes it is so that there is virtuous and sinful to spiritual life. -Buck in the Dome Yes indeed like, as our virtuous Alex Stanley thus shows us here; We quote Mr. Stanley: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote: I probably would have enjoyed it, and I hope it was recorded.. But, with my life so completely focused on Vedic purity, I was in bed by 9pm and unable to attend. Needless to say, and going to bed early greatly improves my quality of life. That's fabulous. Good example of spiritual virtue and what be sinfulness. ...And for instance there is Nablusoss here. This is most instructive: [ ] 9PM is truly impressive, a goal I could never achieve even on Purusha, now using 'living in a city' as a lame excuse. Tisk, Tisk. In the good work of spiritual life virtue triumphs. Needless to say, going to bed early greatly improves my quality of life. -Buck in the Dome
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
Fortunately, the effects on PTSD of various forms of meditation are now being studied by independent researchers, so we may have a reasonably definitive answer about this within a few years or a decade or so. I'm expecting TM to come out on top but of course, I'm quite often wrong. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: [...] Sahaja Yoga or Shri Mataji is not a very good example, because the lady is really weird and it's really a Hindu cult, BUT, it's free, and it works *very well* - at least for me. I took it, it's a kundalini raising initiation, and what shall I say, it really did it. I dislike the lady, but the initiation gave me a strong kundalini experience that lasted for two weeks. I think probably comparable to Muktananda Siddha Yoga. Btw. she was formerly a disciple of Osho, and then met Muktananda, but never joined him. http://www.rebelliousspirit.com/osho-webzine/1480/show/sharing So you think that teaching former child-prostitutes kundalini raising initiations is going to be a good way for them to handle PTSD? L Plaze read the context!! I did NOT recommend it, but commented on Barry - giving my own experience. But giving my thoughts: who says that it couldn't work? Navashok, It's poly true. Until those kids get some further clarifying technique and method on their subtle energetic system beyond just the reductionism of TM (meditation equals alpha wave global coherence) their resolution will be incremental at best with TM. Though the TM tru-believers with no experience of this would never believe it. They are so in the head.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
Well, vipassana is mindfulness meditation. There are 2 or 3 formal forms of mindfulness that are being tested quite thoroughly by the scientific community, and are currently extremely popular, partly because they are cheaper then TM and partly because an awful lot of scientists are apparently Buddhist, so they have an emotional attachment to this particular meditation style. One thing that most people don't realize is that Tibetan monks coming into this country as refuges, even with decades on the cushion, often find themselves unable to practice standard Buddhist techniques due to PTSD flashbacks. TM, according to some researchers (not TMing) may have properties that make practitioners less likely to suffer PTSD in the first place. Long-term practice of most other forms of meditation leads to higher activation levels at higher frequencies, even outside of meditation. TM, long-term, has the exact opposite effect. Insomuch as coherent alpha EEG is a natural sign of relaxation, this may prove to be a serious advantage for TMers, as opposed to people who have trained themselves to remain in the moment by enhancing the normal waking state mechanisms for paying attention and have really high gamma EEG and really low alpha EEG outside of meditation. Being really in the moment and experiencing and remembering every nuance of what occurs as your temple is being blown up by the Chinese apparently isn't all that healthy. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: You get what you pay for. That is why most people have never heard of these two meditation programs - No one with any name recognition has found them to be successful, so rather than generating interest, or even controversy, these two marginal techniques are relegated to the backwaters of spiritual concern. Perhaps you can amuse yourself by finding all the other free and useless forms of meditation available around the globe, and then please share them with us. That is, when you aren't sticking your finger someplace warm and stinky.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-40-formerly-incarcerated-youth/ 40 at a cost of $10,000 = $250 per student. 2 other projects: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-25-domestic-abuse-survivors/ 25 at a cost of $6,250 = $250 per student. http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-18-former-child-prostitutes/ 18 at a cost of $4,500 = $250 per student. I wonder if this is a matching funds project, or if this is a new pricing structure for the DLF... It seems to me that $250 per student is a reasonable cost for TM instruction by anyone's standards. While I agree that this is a good sign, and FAR more reasonable a cost for learning to meditate, TM-style, I think your phrase by anyone's standards reflects a lack of research on what other types of meditation cost to learn. For example, the results of 30 seconds of Googling: Vipassana Mediation: How much does the course cost? Each student who attends a Vipassana course is given this gift by a previous student. There is no charge for either the teaching, or for room and board. All Vipassana courses worldwide are run on a strictly voluntary donation basis. At the end of your course, if you have benefited from the experience, you are welcome to donate for the coming course, according to your volition and your means. Sahaja Yoga Meditation: Whether in the public, community, or business sectors, Sahaja Yoga Meditation is available without charge to the general public and to many schools, universities, hospitals, commun- ity centers and major corporations. As far as I know, neither of these organizations has assets in the billions of dollars. Just sayin'...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Monsanto and the Seeds of Suicide
On 03/28/2013 01:29 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/271-38/16674-focus-monsanto-and-the-seeds-of-suicide Obama signed HR 993 which has a rider protecting Monsanto. Obama has now proved to be an enemy of the people. He's frequently called Bush III. http://gmoinside.org/president-obama-were-not-going-away/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
Thanks L, this is quite clear and I enjoy your sense of humor. Anyway, what about the old restful alertness. You've said what indicates relaxation. Is there an EEG indication for the alert part? I also appreciate this that you said in another post: Stress means a lot more in this context than was believed 40 years ago. From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 3:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth Well, vipassana is mindfulness meditation. There are 2 or 3 formal forms of mindfulness that are being tested quite thoroughly by the scientific community, and are currently extremely popular, partly because they are cheaper then TM and partly because an awful lot of scientists are apparently Buddhist, so they have an emotional attachment to this particular meditation style. One thing that most people don't realize is that Tibetan monks coming into this country as refuges, even with decades on the cushion, often find themselves unable to practice standard Buddhist techniques due to PTSD flashbacks. TM, according to some researchers (not TMing) may have properties that make practitioners less likely to suffer PTSD in the first place. Long-term practice of most other forms of meditation leads to higher activation levels at higher frequencies, even outside of meditation. TM, long-term, has the exact opposite effect. Insomuch as coherent alpha EEG is a natural sign of relaxation, this may prove to be a serious advantage for TMers, as opposed to people who have trained themselves to remain in the moment by enhancing the normal waking state mechanisms for paying attention and have really high gamma EEG and really low alpha EEG outside of meditation. Being really in the moment and experiencing and remembering every nuance of what occurs as your temple is being blown up by the Chinese apparently isn't all that healthy. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: You get what you pay for. That is why most people have never heard of these two meditation programs - No one with any name recognition has found them to be successful, so rather than generating interest, or even controversy, these two marginal techniques are relegated to the backwaters of spiritual concern. Perhaps you can amuse yourself by finding all the other free and useless forms of meditation available around the globe, and then please share them with us. That is, when you aren't sticking your finger someplace warm and stinky.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-40-formerly-incarcerated-youth/ 40 at a cost of $10,000 = $250 per student. 2 other projects: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-25-domestic-abuse-survivors/ 25 at a cost of $6,250 = $250 per student. http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-18-former-child-prostitutes/ 18 at a cost of $4,500 = $250 per student. I wonder if this is a matching funds project, or if this is a new pricing structure for the DLF... It seems to me that $250 per student is a reasonable cost for TM instruction by anyone's standards. While I agree that this is a good sign, and FAR more reasonable a cost for learning to meditate, TM-style, I think your phrase by anyone's standards reflects a lack of research on what other types of meditation cost to learn. For example, the results of 30 seconds of Googling: Vipassana Mediation: How much does the course cost? Each student who attends a Vipassana course is given this gift by a previous student. There is no charge for either the teaching, or for room and board. All Vipassana courses worldwide are run on a strictly voluntary donation basis. At the end of your course, if you have benefited from the experience, you are welcome to donate for the coming course, according to your volition and your means. Sahaja Yoga Meditation: Whether in the public, community, or business sectors, Sahaja Yoga Meditation is available without charge to the general public and to many schools, universities, hospitals, commun- ity centers and major corporations. As far as I know, neither of these organizations has assets in the billions of dollars. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] How Will the Supreme Court Decide on Gay Marriages?
It appears that Judge Kennedy is the key figure in deciding the legality of Gay Marriages. The court may decide that Proposition 8 should not have been heard in the Supreme Court. By doing so, the gay proponents would win by default since the California Court favored gay marriage for the state. If effect, the Supreme Court will use administrative maneuvering instead of deciding on the substance of the case. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/kennedy-decide-gay-marriage-cases-201558362--election.html
[FairfieldLife] Company Offers One Way Trip to Mars
Any takers here on FFL? http://gma.yahoo.com/company-offers-one-way-trip-mars-191306571--abc-news-topstories.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
I like mindemptiness, in general. Mindfulness is fine for everyday common sense activity, not meditation. Otherwise another technique for monks, who can sit around and think about what they think. Yeah, I like the cushioning effect of established silence. Lots of restfulness, along with lots of alertness. A graceful balance that allows me to do things that I would tend not to, and go further more easily, than if the silence were not there. Seems to work in tandem with the ability to quickly dissolve very deep impressions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Well, vipassana is mindfulness meditation. There are 2 or 3 formal forms of mindfulness that are being tested quite thoroughly by the scientific community, and are currently extremely popular, partly because they are cheaper then TM and partly because an awful lot of scientists are apparently Buddhist, so they have an emotional attachment to this particular meditation style. One thing that most people don't realize is that Tibetan monks coming into this country as refuges, even with decades on the cushion, often find themselves unable to practice standard Buddhist techniques due to PTSD flashbacks. TM, according to some researchers (not TMing) may have properties that make practitioners less likely to suffer PTSD in the first place. Long-term practice of most other forms of meditation leads to higher activation levels at higher frequencies, even outside of meditation. TM, long-term, has the exact opposite effect. Insomuch as coherent alpha EEG is a natural sign of relaxation, this may prove to be a serious advantage for TMers, as opposed to people who have trained themselves to remain in the moment by enhancing the normal waking state mechanisms for paying attention and have really high gamma EEG and really low alpha EEG outside of meditation. Being really in the moment and experiencing and remembering every nuance of what occurs as your temple is being blown up by the Chinese apparently isn't all that healthy. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: You get what you pay for. That is why most people have never heard of these two meditation programs - No one with any name recognition has found them to be successful, so rather than generating interest, or even controversy, these two marginal techniques are relegated to the backwaters of spiritual concern. Perhaps you can amuse yourself by finding all the other free and useless forms of meditation available around the globe, and then please share them with us. That is, when you aren't sticking your finger someplace warm and stinky.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-40-formerly-incarcerated-youth/ 40 at a cost of $10,000 = $250 per student. 2 other projects: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-25-domestic-abuse-survivors/ 25 at a cost of $6,250 = $250 per student. http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-18-former-child-prostitutes/ 18 at a cost of $4,500 = $250 per student. I wonder if this is a matching funds project, or if this is a new pricing structure for the DLF... It seems to me that $250 per student is a reasonable cost for TM instruction by anyone's standards. While I agree that this is a good sign, and FAR more reasonable a cost for learning to meditate, TM-style, I think your phrase by anyone's standards reflects a lack of research on what other types of meditation cost to learn. For example, the results of 30 seconds of Googling: Vipassana Mediation: How much does the course cost? Each student who attends a Vipassana course is given this gift by a previous student. There is no charge for either the teaching, or for room and board. All Vipassana courses worldwide are run on a strictly voluntary donation basis. At the end of your course, if you have benefited from the experience, you are welcome to donate for the coming course, according to your volition and your means. Sahaja Yoga Meditation: Whether in the public, community, or business sectors, Sahaja Yoga Meditation is available without charge to the general public and to many schools, universities, hospitals, commun- ity centers and major corporations. As far as I know, neither of these organizations has assets in the billions of dollars. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Company Offers One Way Trip to Mars
I'll sponsor MJ for a trip. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Any takers here on FFL? http://gma.yahoo.com/company-offers-one-way-trip-mars-191306571--abc-news-topstories.html
[FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 29-Mar-13 00:15:02 UTC
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I have heard of the Shiva Puranas from a friend who loves to browse in used bookstores and find long lost copies of Vedic literature. She has metioned the Shiva Puranas a few times. I've been told that Shiva is my ishta devata and that feels right to me. When Poonjaji read the Ribhu Gita at Lucknow did he read it in English or Tamil? In English, from the book I linked to, it just was newly published. His audience were mainly westerners. On a later trip I listened to Thuli Baba, who read the book in Tamil. That was at an Ashram in Tiru. There were many people from Lucknow there now, Poonjaji had just died, so we met up there again. It is interesting that I later became friends with an old Swami, whose grand grand grand father had translated the original Sanskrit into Tamil, he was the head of the mutt I mentioned. Ramana Ashram also published a much smaller condensed version of the Ribhu Gita in English. What did you experience? It's a long time ago. I don't think I had any extraordinary experience from the reading, but I definitely liked it, and bought it later on that trip. I remember having read the Avadhut Gita before, with which I had great experiences. It amazes me to think that Ramana found a book that describes his experience. In another thread you wrote: Sahaja Yoga or Shri Mataji is not a very good example, because the lady is really weird and it's really a Hindu cult, BUT, it's free, and it works *very well* - at least for me. I took it, it's a kundalini raising initiation, and what shall I say, it really did it. I dislike the lady, but the initiation gave me a strong kundalini experience that lasted for two weeks. What do you mean when you say that your kundalini experience lasted for two weeks? I had a clear perception of the Kundalini rising, and felt the effect of the experience for about a week, until it slowly faded. I didn't per-sue her technique, since meditation was more or less automatic. Also this is a long time ago. From: navashok no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:20 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Very beautiful, navashok, thank you.àI love that part about renouncing the renunciation even.àI've never before heard of the Ribhu Gita.àIs it part of the Vedic literature? You could say so. It's part of the Shivarahasya Purana, and is to it, what the Gita is to the Mahabharatam. It's a very fundamental Vedantic scripture, and a favorite of Ramana Maharshi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shivarahasya_Purana It seems, that there was a Tamil translation of this book the library of one of the older Ashrams in Tiruvannamalai - the Eshanya Math - http://wikimapia.org/20376193/ESANYA-MADAM and he read it there for the first time - and recognized that he finally found a text which exactly described his experience. It is still being read every day as part of the ceremonies at the Ramana Ashram, but in Tamil. There is another Sadhu near Tiru, who's main teaching is the Ribhu Gita, his name is Thuli Baba. http://www.gurusfeet.com/guru/thuli-baba I came across it, when Poonjaji (Guru of Gangaji, disciple of Ramana) read it every day in the lecture hall in Lucknow. http://books.google.de/books?id=8XL-bc7TzRwCdq More directly giving the quote http://books.google.de/books?id=8XL-bc7TzRwClpg=PA295vq=brahmanpg=PA155#v=snippetq=155f=false I don't think we really have to let go of anything.àThat which is, is always letting go and holding on, That doesn't need any help from us.àBut I just walked to the library and the air was so fresh and the sun huge and orange on the western horizon.àThe branches of trees are still bare against the light blue sky, some birds are singing.àAt such a time Truth is a sweet companion. From: navashok no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object? à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: A professor at MUM once explained that as one progresses, especially from CC to GC, what happens can be described as the depth coming up to the surface of life.ÃâàSo we might not feel deep, even during TM.ÃâàAnd we
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: You get what you pay for. If you are dumb enough to believe it - it's a salesman slogan, nothing more, definitely not true in the spiritual world, definitely not true in my own experience. That you believe this shows you don't know very much. I have had the most extraordinary and transformative experiences in settings that were completely free, or on donation basis. That is why most people have never heard of these two meditation programs - No one with any name recognition has found them to be successful, so rather than generating interest, or even controversy, these two marginal techniques are relegated to the backwaters of spiritual concern. Perhaps you can amuse yourself by finding all the other free and useless forms of meditation available around the globe, and then please share them with us. That is, when you aren't sticking your finger someplace warm and stinky.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-40-formerly-incarcerated-youth/ 40 at a cost of $10,000 = $250 per student. 2 other projects: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-25-domestic-abuse-survivors/ 25 at a cost of $6,250 = $250 per student. http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-18-former-child-prostitutes/ 18 at a cost of $4,500 = $250 per student. I wonder if this is a matching funds project, or if this is a new pricing structure for the DLF... It seems to me that $250 per student is a reasonable cost for TM instruction by anyone's standards. While I agree that this is a good sign, and FAR more reasonable a cost for learning to meditate, TM-style, I think your phrase by anyone's standards reflects a lack of research on what other types of meditation cost to learn. For example, the results of 30 seconds of Googling: Vipassana Mediation: How much does the course cost? Each student who attends a Vipassana course is given this gift by a previous student. There is no charge for either the teaching, or for room and board. All Vipassana courses worldwide are run on a strictly voluntary donation basis. At the end of your course, if you have benefited from the experience, you are welcome to donate for the coming course, according to your volition and your means. Sahaja Yoga Meditation: Whether in the public, community, or business sectors, Sahaja Yoga Meditation is available without charge to the general public and to many schools, universities, hospitals, commun- ity centers and major corporations. As far as I know, neither of these organizations has assets in the billions of dollars. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: You get what you pay for. That is why most people have never heard of these two meditation programs - No one with any name recognition has found them to be successful, so rather than generating interest, or even controversy, these two marginal techniques are relegated to the backwaters of spiritual concern. Perhaps you can amuse yourself by finding all the other free and useless forms of meditation available around the globe, and then please share them with us. That is, when you aren't sticking your finger someplace warm and stinky.:-) You are really dump and stupid, aren't you? Is this the kind of level you have reached in your supposed enlightenment? Do you have to say this, because you feel so threatened that people make experiences outside TM? You don't even know what you are talking about - copy all the neo-advaitic teachings, mix them with a little TM, and don't even know where they are coming from, right? These teachings were all given free, you just use - abuse them quite obviously. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-40-formerly-incarcerated-youth/ 40 at a cost of $10,000 = $250 per student. 2 other projects: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-25-domestic-abuse-survivors/ 25 at a cost of $6,250 = $250 per student. http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-18-former-child-prostitutes/ 18 at a cost of $4,500 = $250 per student. I wonder if this is a matching funds project, or if this is a new pricing structure for the DLF... It seems to me that $250 per student is a reasonable cost for TM instruction by anyone's standards. While I agree that this is a good sign, and FAR more reasonable a cost for learning to meditate, TM-style, I think your phrase by anyone's standards reflects a lack of research on what other types of meditation cost to learn. For example, the results of 30 seconds of Googling: Vipassana Mediation: How much does the course cost? Each student who attends a Vipassana course is given this gift by a previous student. There is no charge for either the teaching, or for room and board. All Vipassana courses worldwide are run on a strictly voluntary donation basis. At the end of your course, if you have benefited from the experience, you are welcome to donate for the coming course, according to your volition and your means. Sahaja Yoga Meditation: Whether in the public, community, or business sectors, Sahaja Yoga Meditation is available without charge to the general public and to many schools, universities, hospitals, commun- ity centers and major corporations. As far as I know, neither of these organizations has assets in the billions of dollars. Just sayin'...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Monsanto and the Seeds of Suicide
why why why? What hold does Monsanto have over these people? The whole thing baffles me. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Monsanto and the Seeds of Suicide On 03/28/2013 01:29 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/271-38/16674-focus-monsanto-and-the-seeds-of-suicide Obama signed HR 993 which has a rider protecting Monsanto. Obama has now proved to be an enemy of the people. He's frequently called Bush III. http://gmoinside.org/president-obama-were-not-going-away/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
dude, you sound incoherent. I cannot figure out what you are trying to say. Did Vipassonthat suddenly become more popular because you didn't like what I said? Or was it the rather rude reminder of B's past behavior that was verbotten? Spell it out, please. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: You get what you pay for. That is why most people have never heard of these two meditation programs - No one with any name recognition has found them to be successful, so rather than generating interest, or even controversy, these two marginal techniques are relegated to the backwaters of spiritual concern. Perhaps you can amuse yourself by finding all the other free and useless forms of meditation available around the globe, and then please share them with us. That is, when you aren't sticking your finger someplace warm and stinky.:-) You are really dump and stupid, aren't you? Is this the kind of level you have reached in your supposed enlightenment? Do you have to say this, because you feel so threatened that people make experiences outside TM? You don't even know what you are talking about - copy all the neo-advaitic teachings, mix them with a little TM, and don't even know where they are coming from, right? These teachings were all given free, you just use - abuse them quite obviously. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-40-formerly-incarcerated-youth/ 40 at a cost of $10,000 = $250 per student. 2 other projects: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-25-domestic-abuse-survivors/ 25 at a cost of $6,250 = $250 per student. http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-18-former-child-prostitutes/ 18 at a cost of $4,500 = $250 per student. I wonder if this is a matching funds project, or if this is a new pricing structure for the DLF... It seems to me that $250 per student is a reasonable cost for TM instruction by anyone's standards. While I agree that this is a good sign, and FAR more reasonable a cost for learning to meditate, TM-style, I think your phrase by anyone's standards reflects a lack of research on what other types of meditation cost to learn. For example, the results of 30 seconds of Googling: Vipassana Mediation: How much does the course cost? Each student who attends a Vipassana course is given this gift by a previous student. There is no charge for either the teaching, or for room and board. All Vipassana courses worldwide are run on a strictly voluntary donation basis. At the end of your course, if you have benefited from the experience, you are welcome to donate for the coming course, according to your volition and your means. Sahaja Yoga Meditation: Whether in the public, community, or business sectors, Sahaja Yoga Meditation is available without charge to the general public and to many schools, universities, hospitals, commun- ity centers and major corporations. As far as I know, neither of these organizations has assets in the billions of dollars. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Monsanto and the Seeds of Suicide
Death by a thousand cuts. Starts out as a way to capitalize on this power over nature, GM food - take profit where they can get it. Once a company goes public (in quotes to reflect the relative few that own most stocks) the motive for making money is abstracted into the need for a corporation to perform for its stockholders. Then, when industries like food production and health care are involved, people become expendable in the face of greater corporate profits. Bad enough here in the US, but overseas the model is strictly corporate colonialism. Many of the regulations and laws here in the US, meant to stem this *blindness* for profits, go Out The Window, when these entities operate overseas. The idea behind colonies was for the more technically powerful countries to suck dry the less powerful countries. That is what corporations have replaced, including sometimes chewing up people in the process. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: why why why? What hold does Monsanto have over these people? The whole thing baffles me. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Monsanto and the Seeds of Suicide  On 03/28/2013 01:29 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/271-38/16674-focus-monsanto-and-the-seeds-of-suicide Obama signed HR 993 which has a rider protecting Monsanto. Obama has now proved to be an enemy of the people. He's frequently called Bush III. http://gmoinside.org/president-obama-were-not-going-away/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Monsanto and the Seeds of Suicide
Money, money, money, money. The world is about money. Forget enlightenment, get rich instead. Worse yet there was a recount in to areas of the California GMO labeling proposition. Recount showed more in favor than the original count. But when they went to do a recount in a farm area of the state guess what? They were blocked. Big agra did NOT want to see a recount. And probably that proposition actually won instead of losing. The new business model is to be a crook (though some would argue that has always been big business's model). On 03/28/2013 06:22 PM, Share Long wrote: why why why? What hold does Monsanto have over these people? The whole thing baffles me. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Monsanto and the Seeds of Suicide On 03/28/2013 01:29 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/271-38/16674-focus-monsanto-and-the-seeds-of-suicide Obama signed HR 993 which has a rider protecting Monsanto. Obama has now proved to be an enemy of the people. He's frequently called Bush III. http://gmoinside.org/president-obama-were-not-going-away/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Holi
Thank you! I read this to my wife, and we both began laughing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... no_reply@... wrote: When the elephant decides to walk through the village, all the dogs come out and bark. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
[FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?)  But thinking of time without space is for me like contemplating a zen koan. Very fun. I was fascinated that she ended the talk with a reference to neuroscience and how progress in that field may hold the key to our understanding time itself. Thanks for posting. From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space  A German physicist said so. Is she right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACS1_5jyvHE
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: You get what you pay for. If you are dumb enough to believe it - it's a salesman slogan, nothing more, definitely not true in the spiritual world, definitely not true in my own experience. That you believe this shows you don't know very much. Ah, but paying can be in more than just dollars and cents. I do believe you CAN get what you pay for. I see it all the time, at least in the material world. But I also know there are no 'free lunches'. My father said it all the time, and it is a cliche but it is, in fact, true. Nothing is without some sort of cost. And generally, the more you pay, whether it is in the form of effort, intention, money, time, the more you will reap. To me, it is a simple law of physics, of energy, of the way the world works. I have had the most extraordinary and transformative experiences in settings that were completely free, or on donation basis. That is why most people have never heard of these two meditation programs - No one with any name recognition has found them to be successful, so rather than generating interest, or even controversy, these two marginal techniques are relegated to the backwaters of spiritual concern. Perhaps you can amuse yourself by finding all the other free and useless forms of meditation available around the globe, and then please share them with us. That is, when you aren't sticking your finger someplace warm and stinky.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-40-formerly-incarcerated-youth/ 40 at a cost of $10,000 = $250 per student. 2 other projects: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-25-domestic-abuse-survivors/ 25 at a cost of $6,250 = $250 per student. http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-18-former-child-prostitutes/ 18 at a cost of $4,500 = $250 per student. I wonder if this is a matching funds project, or if this is a new pricing structure for the DLF... It seems to me that $250 per student is a reasonable cost for TM instruction by anyone's standards. While I agree that this is a good sign, and FAR more reasonable a cost for learning to meditate, TM-style, I think your phrase by anyone's standards reflects a lack of research on what other types of meditation cost to learn. For example, the results of 30 seconds of Googling: Vipassana Mediation: How much does the course cost? Each student who attends a Vipassana course is given this gift by a previous student. There is no charge for either the teaching, or for room and board. All Vipassana courses worldwide are run on a strictly voluntary donation basis. At the end of your course, if you have benefited from the experience, you are welcome to donate for the coming course, according to your volition and your means. Sahaja Yoga Meditation: Whether in the public, community, or business sectors, Sahaja Yoga Meditation is available without charge to the general public and to many schools, universities, hospitals, commun- ity centers and major corporations. As far as I know, neither of these organizations has assets in the billions of dollars. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
Seems like time and space form an inextricable matrix*, like a cross in 2D, time vertical, space horizontal, with an identity dot stuck somewhere at the center. If the identity dot on the matrix expands, we have a lot more access to all the time/space points in the matrix. So, although time cannot be cleaved from space, except as an impossible abstraction, we can, according to the time and space our identity absorbs, move more or less freely along either the space line, or time line, or combination of the two (the cosmic etch-a-sketch - ha-ha). Forward time, and stationary space, are no longer a given. *not talking about any relationship to the movie(s). lol. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?)  But thinking of time without space is for me like contemplating a zen koan. Very fun. I was fascinated that she ended the talk with a reference to neuroscience and how progress in that field may hold the key to our understanding time itself. Thanks for posting. From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space  A German physicist said so. Is she right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACS1_5jyvHE
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: You get what you pay for. That is why most people have never heard of these two meditation programs - No one with any name recognition has found them to be successful, so rather than generating interest, or even controversy, these two marginal techniques are relegated to the backwaters of spiritual concern. Perhaps you can amuse yourself by finding all the other free and useless forms of meditation available around the globe, and then please share them with us. That is, when you aren't sticking your finger someplace warm and stinky.:-) You are really dump and stupid, aren't you? Is this the kind of level you have reached in your supposed enlightenment? Do you have to say this, because you feel so threatened that people make experiences outside TM? You don't even know what you are talking about - copy all the neo-advaitic teachings, mix them with a little TM, and don't even know where they are coming from, right? These teachings were all given free, you just use - abuse them quite obviously. Do you think you could ever bring yourself to agree with the people who you have decided you don't like? Talk about closed-minded. Fer chrissakes, don't look at who is writing a post, as an experiment in objectivity, and respond based purely on the content, not on who wrote the damn thing. This drives me CRAZY. You, and others, are so damn predictable. SURPRISE US. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-40-formerly-incarcerated-youth/ 40 at a cost of $10,000 = $250 per student. 2 other projects: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-25-domestic-abuse-survivors/ 25 at a cost of $6,250 = $250 per student. http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-18-former-child-prostitutes/ 18 at a cost of $4,500 = $250 per student. I wonder if this is a matching funds project, or if this is a new pricing structure for the DLF... It seems to me that $250 per student is a reasonable cost for TM instruction by anyone's standards. While I agree that this is a good sign, and FAR more reasonable a cost for learning to meditate, TM-style, I think your phrase by anyone's standards reflects a lack of research on what other types of meditation cost to learn. For example, the results of 30 seconds of Googling: Vipassana Mediation: How much does the course cost? Each student who attends a Vipassana course is given this gift by a previous student. There is no charge for either the teaching, or for room and board. All Vipassana courses worldwide are run on a strictly voluntary donation basis. At the end of your course, if you have benefited from the experience, you are welcome to donate for the coming course, according to your volition and your means. Sahaja Yoga Meditation: Whether in the public, community, or business sectors, Sahaja Yoga Meditation is available without charge to the general public and to many schools, universities, hospitals, commun- ity centers and major corporations. As far as I know, neither of these organizations has assets in the billions of dollars. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] For All You Baby Lovers
[Cincinnati Zoo Botanical Garden Primate Team Leader Ron Evans works with two-month-old Gladys, a Western Lowland Gorilla, who was born to a mother who showed little maternal instinct. Humans have stepped in as caregivers and say the animal is thriving. ] Little female is being fostered by zoo keepers at Cincinnati zoo. They have to dress in gorilla-like outfits to help raise her.http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/03/28/a-little-loving-care-baby-go\ rilla-raised-by-human-surrogates-at-cincinnati-zoo-is-thriving/ [Glenn Hartong / AP / Cinncinati Enquirer ] [Glenn Hartong / AP / Cincinnati Enquirer ]
[FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, would it make a sound? IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, even in a piece of rock. Also, the laws of physics must be preserved so a sound of a falling tree will be produced even without humans or humanoids in the exoplanet. JR
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Company Offers One Way Trip to Mars
Right he does need it, MJ apparently has saved so many anti-TM messages in his drafts folder over the last week and half that he is totally stressed out deciding which and how many to post. Not to mention drafts of drafts and drafts of drafts of drafts - he is totally confused as to which is a clickable, sendable draft versus non-clickable, non-sendable draft of a draft or draft of a draft of a draft - not even a few draft beers resolve this confusion. He didn't even have any time to collect his food stamps !!! Poor guy - he needs a break. I think MJ definitely suffers from PTMSD - Post TM Stress Disorder that I have talked about in the past. He needs all the help we can extend !!! On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:57 PM, feste37 fest...@yahoo.com wrote: ** I'll sponsor MJ for a trip. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Any takers here on FFL? http://gma.yahoo.com/company-offers-one-way-trip-mars-191306571--abc-news-topstories.html
