[FairfieldLife] Line of Duty
The BBC's grim police corruption drame Line of Duty returned for a second series last night; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd7kfWjoCl0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd7kfWjoCl0 Well worth a look if you like that sort of thing
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV-inspired rap: Some early Top Of The Lake impressions
I have to agree with s3raphita here. Sorry ultrarishi and bhairitu...please don't take this personally, but my honest reaction to this series was feeling like I needed to take a shower afterwards. The worst thing about it was the overriding sense of obsession and ickiness that has become Jane Campion's trademark in her later films. And interestingly enough, it wasn't just the subject matter that made it that way. For example, the Millenium series of movies (starting with The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo) dealt with material just as dark, as did Bron-Broen in some ways, but I wasn't left with the same icky feeling after those films. On a craftsmanship level, I have to disagree with most of the reviews of this film I've read since watching it. I think that the reviewers either were swayed by the big names (Campion, Elizabeth Moss, Holly Hunter) or they have low standards. The plot was mediocre IMO, even by TV detective series standards. The timeline (which took place over 5 months) was completely messed up, with no real sense of elapsed time between scenes, the whodunnit was obvious after episode 3, and IMO there were almost no real characters. Instead they were caricatures...stereotypes with little depth...and I for one found none of them believable. Especially Holly Hunter as GJ. As I said before, if Campion actually based her on UG Krishnamurti, then her perception is *way* off. The only one of the awards it was nominated for that I felt was deserved was for cinematography, and even that was a no-brainer, because all that the DP had to do was point a camera at the beautiful NZ countryside and turn it on. All in all, color me disappointed. I was hoping that watching it would cure me of my aversion to Jane Campion, but instead it reinforced it. I won't be bothering with any of her films in the future. I really *needed* (after the shower) a quick watching of a dumb nerd/horror movie (Knights Of Badassdom) to take the bad taste out of my eyes. From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 12:22 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV-inspired rap: Some early Top Of The Lake impressions I watched the whole of Top Of The Lake. It's unpleasant and violent with no redeeming or attractive characters. I only watched because of the UG guru role to see where that would lead. Nowhere is the answer. There's no real relationship between the spiritual group and the disorder and crime surrounding it so the commune just adds a slightly exotic ambience to the drama. You wanted Holly Hunter's character to provide an alternative interpretation of the events but there is no resolution - just a confirmation of Campion's pessimism.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Line of Duty
Thanks for the heads-up. I really enjoyed the first season... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 9:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Line of Duty The BBC's grim police corruption drame Line of Duty returned for a second series last night; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd7kfWjoCl0 Well worth a look if you like that sort of thing
Re: [FairfieldLife] Line of Duty
This season gets off to a great start, but you do have to pay attention in the first five minutes to save having to rewind and start again like I did. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: Thanks for the heads-up. I really enjoyed the first season... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 9:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Line of Duty The BBC's grim police corruption drame Line of Duty returned for a second series last night; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd7kfWjoCl0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd7kfWjoCl0 Well worth a look if you like that sort of thing
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
I think your arms length comment kinda says it all, Steve. That's just what armchair seekers like Judy DO. They never actually DO anything much to further their own self discovery...they just read about other people's, and then argue about the stuff they think about it. One of the reasons that some of these armchair seekers purposefully keep from meeting the teachers they supposedly study with is that it's easier to preserve one's cherished fantasies about them if you've never met them. She did this with Maharishi, and she did it with Robin. She can continue to believe all the fantasies she's developed about both of them without fear of contradiction, because she's never exposed herself to the possibility of contradiction. Both of these guys -- or her impressions of them -- are tucked away in an elaborate fantasy cubbyhole in her mind, placed on a pedestal of honor there, and because she never has (or will) encounter the reality of them, she gets to call this fantasy truth. Anyone who disagrees with the fantasy is a liar. As has been pointed out here, Judy has arguably the *least* actual hands on spiritual experience of anyone on this forum. She's only done one short rounding course (which she, of course, considers long), she never became a teacher (and thus had to put other people's welfare ahead of her own), and she never met Maharishi. She never even met the Robin guy she claims to be the resident expert on. The only things she knows are the fantasies running around in her head. But to her those fantasies are so cherished and she *needs* them so much to keep on keepin' on that any challenge to them is perceived as a challenge to herself, her self, her very being. Challenging her idealized notions of Robin are (from her point of view) like attacking *her*, so of course she has to take them seriously. If anyone were to believe more objective points of view expressed here about the guy, they'd begin to challenge her posturing as the expert. And she simply cannot allow that. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy Excellent points. For most of us, it is just a chat room. A place to banter about. And so, it is sort of jarring when someone like Judy takes everything so seriously and personally. Like it squeezes most of the fun out of it. Of course you will never convince her of that. She views herself as the staunch upholder of truth and justice, and there is no battle too small for her to fight. Just like what she is going to say in response to this post. The internet age was made for her in some ways as it is easier to be friends with someone, or maintain an alliance when you can remain at arms length. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
[FairfieldLife] Who needs screenwriters?
This short certainly didn't. Every line of dialog is the name of a movie. http://digg.com/video/every-line-in-this-short-is-also-a-movie-title http://digg.com/video/every-line-in-this-short-is-also-a-movie-title
[FairfieldLife] RE: China's Moon Rover Is Kaput
That's a shame, all space exploration is good but they weren't sharing much info with the west anyway. Escaping Earth and boldly going to seek out new life and new civilisations should be a planetary thing not just one race having all the fun. But I think that deep in the western psyche, when we think of the first people to set foot on another world and shake hands with an alien we think of a 6 foot square-jawed all american hero. So there's a bit of bitterness that we haven't got the money to live the dream, or even to do the necessary hard science beforehand. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: It apparently did not survive the long frigid lunar night. So, what's next? Also, we can appreciate how the American rover on Mars has survived for about ten years now. http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/12/5404378/jade-rabbit-yutu-china-moon-rover-fails-after-malfunction http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/12/5404378/jade-rabbit-yutu-china-moon-rover-fails-after-malfunction
[FairfieldLife] RE: China's Moon Rover Is Kaput
Back to life: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/feb/13/jade-rabbit-lunar-rover-alive-after-all-says-china http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/feb/13/jade-rabbit-lunar-rover-alive-after-all-says-china
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: China's Moon Rover Is Kaput
Sounds as if the jade rabbit finally was granted approval for reincarnation from the Chinese government. http://personalityspirituality.net/2011/04/16/chinese-government-assumes-control-over-reincarnation/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Religious_Affairs_Bureau_Order_No._5 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 12:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: China's Moon Rover Is Kaput Back to life: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/feb/13/jade-rabbit-lunar-rover-alive-after-all-says-china
[FairfieldLife] South Carolina Governor is Smart
The main most reason to live in South Carolina instead of Iowa http://www.thestate.com/2014/02/11/3259329/gov-haley-backs-bill-to-allow.html
[FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
Yep, Damned Muck-Rakers. Did not fact check their sources. That is the problem with sensational journalism and the internet. -Buck geezerfreak posts: http://worldhindunews.com/2014021217951/young-vedic-pandits-go-missing-from-iowa-based-sponsoring-organization-ela-dutt/ http://worldhindunews.com/2014021217951/young-vedic-pandits-go-missing-from-iowa-based-sponsoring-organization-ela-dutt/ LEnglish5 writes: Oprah Winfrey did a TV show about Fairfield, and part of that show as about the Vedic Pandits. The living and working conditions could be seen in the TV footage: http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video No news article has bothered to do any fact checking on this issue. Certainly, no news article has bothered to link to the Oprah TV footage. . .
[FairfieldLife] Vedic Pundit Update
More than 30 Indian publications in the US and abroad have retracted the wildly inaccurate article about the Vedic Pandits that they had picked up from a Chicago Indian weekly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
that's not what it says you head in the sand ostritch On Thu, 2/13/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 12:41 PM Yep, Damned Muck-Rakers. Did not fact check their sources. That is the problem with sensational journalism and the internet. -Buck geezerfreak posts:http://worldhindunews.com/2014021217951/young-vedic-pandits-go-missing-from-iowa-based-sponsoring-organization-ela-dutt/ LEnglish5 writes: Oprah Winfrey did a TV show about Fairfield, and part of that show as about the Vedic Pandits. The living and working conditions could be seen in the TV footage: http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video No news article has bothered to do any fact checking on this issue. Certainly, no news article has bothered to link to the Oprah TV footage. . .
[FairfieldLife] RE: Sorry, I just had to...
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
I wonder why no one in the press questions the purpose of keeping these people in Iowa? The TMO don't seem very forthcoming in the article, are they embarrassed at importing people to pray for them? We know the raja's have yagya's performed for them on a daily basis to neutralise any negative planetary influences, as does the whole country - if they pay enough. The UK coughs up a lot for personal help from the gods too, I know people with a monthly direct debit to support this. No mention is made of when it will be decided to have been a failure, but then I don't remember there being any parameters for success set out other than Marshy's: Give me a billion dollars and I'll save the world... And quite why this has to be tax free considering the amount they charge TMers for the privilege of getting the gods to sway events in their favour is also beyond me. Maybe if the TMO cared about their welfare they would pay them to go to university and do something useful with their lives instead of sitting on their backsides all day singing songs so the wealthy can feel like they've got some of the age of enlightenment they were promised so long ago. But wait, maybe they are here as part of the TMOs commitment to science, think of what the knowledge of the existence of vedic gods would do to our understanding of the universe if the thorough and credible scientists at MUM had proof that chanting old poems could actually change the flow of world events! That must be it, I even had an admission from Fred Travis when he popped up on TM-Free agreeing with me that if a supposedly science based outfit like the TMO were going to claim veracity for all products they charge money for, they should at least do some research to make sure it actually works. Perhaps he took that to heart and is hard at work analysing world trends and will soon produce a stunning paper along the lines of Praying to Soma: an interdisciplinary study of how ancient gods affect global consciousness and the 10 years of brutal war in the middle east since the yagya programme started. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: that's not what it says you head in the sand ostritch On Thu, 2/13/14, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 12:41 PM Yep, Damned Muck-Rakers. Did not fact check their sources. That is the problem with sensational journalism and the internet. -Buck geezerfreak posts:http://worldhindunews.com/2014021217951/young-vedic-pandits-go-missing-from-iowa-based-sponsoring-organization-ela-dutt/ http://worldhindunews.com/2014021217951/young-vedic-pandits-go-missing-from-iowa-based-sponsoring-organization-ela-dutt/ LEnglish5 writes: Oprah Winfrey did a TV show about Fairfield, and part of that show as about the Vedic Pandits. The living and working conditions could be seen in the TV footage: http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video No news article has bothered to do any fact checking on this issue. Certainly, no news article has bothered to link to the Oprah TV footage. . .
[FairfieldLife] Re: Popular Music Greats
The Texas Tornados [image: Inline image 2] [image: Inline image 3] Flaco Jimenez, Doug Sahm, Freddy Fender, Augie Myers - Shawn Sahm, Speedy Sparks on bass. Tejano Music Awards http://youtu.be/RFCraxUUAtU Doug Sahm was a childhood musical prodigy born into a working-class family in San Antonio, Texas. I first met Doug at the Blue Note Lounge in 1962. We met up again in California after his smash hit She's About a Mover. The Texas Tornados is a Grammy Award winning Tejano band. Its music is a fusion of rock, country and various Mexican styles: Freddy Fender, Flaco Jiménez, Augie Meyers, Speedy Sparks, and Doug Sahm. This is Tex-Mex at it's best! Rock, country, Tejano, all mixed into one. Go figure. Is Anybody Goin' to San Antone - Gruene Hall, in Gruene, Texas, in 1992 http://youtu.be/1TphoKBScfM The San Antonio National Anthem: Hey Baby Que Paso? - Gruene Hall, in Gruene, Texas, in 1992 http://youtu.be/4tXhAYl173U Who Were You Thinking Of? - Gruene Hall, in Gruene, Texas, in 1992 http://youtu.be/L6ON9tlAQ-8 Dinero - Live on Austin City Limits http://youtu.be/_-4opbcLwk4 She's About A Mover - Live on Austin City Limits http://youtu.be/z4KbGhqmlgw The Rains Came - The Sir Douglas Quintet 1966 http://youtu.be/2KlLKuJpTgM Read more: He made the cover of Rolling Stone magazine in 1968 and 1971 and performed with the Grateful Dead, Dr. John, Willie Nelson, Boz Scaggs, and Bob Dylan. - Amazon review: 'Texas Tornado: The Times and Music of Doug Sahm' by Jan Reid University of Texas Press, 2010 Sahm, Meyers and Jiménez are from the San Antonio area. Their 2005 Live from Austin album was a recording of a 1990 performance on the TV series Austin City Limits. The Texas Tornados won a Grammy Award in 1991. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Tornados On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Freddy Fender [image: Inline image 1] Freddy Fender and The Texas Tornados on Austin City Limits Wasted Days and Wasted Nights http://youtu.be/-Qu8RPvhP-U Before the Next Teardrop Falls http://youtu.be/9MwB5j5lnbY Hey Baby Que Paso? - Texas Tornados Live at Gruene Hall, 1992 http://youtu.be/4tXhAYl173U The Texas Tornados: Freddy Fender - Vocals, guitar Doug Sahm - vocals, guitar, organ, piano Augie Meyers - Vocals, organ, piano Flaco Jimenez - vocals, accordion Speedy Sparks- bass Freddy Fender was born in San Benito, Texas, USA and was a Mexican-American Tejano, country and rock and roll musician, known for his work as a solo artist and in the groups Los Super Seven and the Texas Tornados. He is best known for his 1975 hits Before the Next Teardrop Falls and the subsequent remake of his own Wasted Days and Wasted Nights. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddy_Fender
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Country Chuckles
We are born naked, wet, and hungry. Then things get worse. - Will Rogers On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:40 PM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Never miss a good chance to shut up. - Will Rogers On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:27 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: That's it, Richard! I'm in love with Will Rogers. Is he still alive? (-: Long dead, Share: On August 15, 1935, Rogers was on a flight to Asia with the famous pilot Wiley Post when the craft developed engine troubles and crashed near Point Barrow, Alaska http://www.history.com/topics/alaska. The crash killed both men. Rogers was only 55. On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:46 AM, Pundit Sir punditster@... wrote: Timing has an awful lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance. - Will Rogers On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Richard, I love this guy! I bet he was enlightened (-: PS Maharishi said that at the deepest level of every atom, even every atom of our body, Purusha IS Prakriti. Go figure! On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:14 AM, Pundit Sir punditster@... wrote: Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. - Will Rogers On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Pundit Sir punditster@... wrote: Generally speaking, you aren't learning much when your mouth is moving. - Will Rogers On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:54 AM, authfriend@... wrote: So what was the good catch you said I made, Share? I don't believe you've responded to that question. Keep 'em coming Richard and thank you...
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
Sal, you are in rare form today! And just when I thought I couldn't learn anything more about the Movement, here you enlighten me! I had no idea the rajas had yagyas done for them. What a bunch of crap. It is one of those dichotomies that the TMO never address. What I mean is, if TM is as efficacious as is claimed and if you have the 10,000 times more powerful than TM program the TMSPs, why would you need anything else like yagyas and vastu veds? The TMO makes money off claiming they need donations for getting the pundits here and to Europe to cover their expenses and then the TMO gets money for the pundits doing all these yagyas for whoever. They are literally indentured servants at best. How much of the fees charged for the yagyas do the pundits get? None. On Thu, 2/13/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 2:04 PM I wonder why no one in the press questions the purpose of keeping these people in Iowa? The TMO don't seem very forthcoming in the article, are they embarrassed at importing people to pray for them? We know the raja's have yagya's performed for them on a daily basis to neutralise any negative planetary influences, as does the whole country - if they pay enough. The UK coughs up a lot for personal help from the gods too, I know people with a monthly direct debit to support this. No mention is made of when it will be decided to have been a failure, but then I don't remember there being any parameters for success set out other than Marshy's: Give me a billion dollars and I'll save the world... And quite why this has to be tax free considering the amount they charge TMers for the privilege of getting the gods to sway events in their favour is also beyond me. Maybe if the TMO cared about their welfare they would pay them to go to university and do something useful with their lives instead of sitting on their backsides all day singing songs so the wealthy can feel like they've got some of the age of enlightenment they were promised so long ago. But wait, maybe they are here as part of the TMOs commitment to science, think of what the knowledge of the existence of vedic gods would do to our understanding of the universe if the thorough and credible scientists at MUM had proof that chanting old poems could actually change the flow of world events! That must be it, I even had an admission from Fred Travis when he popped up on TM-Free agreeing with me that if a supposedly science based outfit like the TMO were going to claim veracity for all products they charge money for, they should at least do some research to make sure it actually works. Perhaps he took that to heart and is hard at work analysing world trends and will soon produce a stunning paper along the lines of Praying to Soma: an interdisciplinary study of how ancient gods affect global consciousness and the 10 years of brutal war in the middle east since the yagya programme started. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: that's not what it says you head in the sand ostritch On Thu, 2/13/14, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 12:41 PM Yep, Damned Muck-Rakers. Did not fact check their sources. That is the problem with sensational journalism and the internet. -Buck geezerfreak posts:http://worldhindunews.com/2014021217951/young-vedic-pandits-go-missing-from-iowa-based-sponsoring-organization-ela-dutt/ LEnglish5 writes: Oprah Winfrey did a TV show about Fairfield, and part of that show as about the Vedic Pandits. The living and working conditions could be seen in the TV footage: http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video No news article has bothered to do any fact checking on this issue. Certainly, no news article has bothered to link to the Oprah TV footage. . .
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
On 2/12/2014 11:02 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. It would be a strange meeting at Starbucks to be invited for coffee if you'd just been called a dumb hick, a perv, a liar, an idiot, a troll, and lower than slime and you were being shunned for your political POV and your place of birth by the group leaders. If that happened at a Starbucks up in Austin, there would be at least be some table-turning and a food fight before taking it out in the parking lot. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
On 2/13/2014 6:41 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Damned Muck-Rakers. Did not fact check their sources. There are no missing boy pandits in Vedic City and apparently the living quarters are fit for a king with a free education. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vedic Pundit Update
On 2/13/2014 6:46 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: More than 30 Indian publications in the US and abroad have retracted the wildly inaccurate article about the Vedic Pandits It looks like somebody in S.C. has been posting some fibs about the boy pandits in Vedic City, IA. What happened to The Corrector? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
On 2/13/2014 6:46 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: that's not what it says you head in the sand ostritch Maybe it's time for you to leave the Hindu pundit boys alone and mind your own business. You don't even know who the pundit boys are. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
On 2/13/2014 8:04 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I wonder why no one in the press questions the purpose of keeping these people in Iowa? It would probably be in the best interests of the poor Hindu pandit boys if they were left alone to pray and get an education in Vedic City. Most of us here probably think it would be better not to involve the children in a sordid FFL debate. There's nothing good going to come from discussing the private life of under age children on a public forum. It would probably be much better to just leave the children alone and raise our own - that's more appropriate and rewarding than smearing some religious group in Iowa. That's what I think.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
On 2/13/2014 8:39 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: They are literally indentured servants at best. Never pass up a made up opportunity to smear your old school teachers! Maybe it's none of your business what the poor Hindu pundit boys from India are doing in Vedic City. Did you make a donation? Get a grip - people pray for others in large groups every day all over the world!
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
That's it, Richard! I'm moving to Austin and hanging out at Starbuck's! But might visit Whole Foods now and then, just to stock up on Larabars and quinoa (-: On Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:54 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/12/2014 11:02 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. It would be a strange meeting at Starbucks to be invited for coffee if you'd just been called a dumb hick, a perv, a liar, an idiot, a troll, and lower than slime and you were being shunned for your political POV and your place of birth by the group leaders. If that happened at a Starbucks up in Austin, there would be at least be some table-turning and a food fight before taking it out in the parking lot. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] South Carolina Governor is Smart
On 2/13/2014 5:53 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: The main most reason to live in South Carolina instead of Iowa It's probably not the only reason to live in Iowa - there's also the weather. From what I've read, Iowa allows open carry after applicants successfully complete an approved training course. Apparently Iowa will honor any valid permit issued by any other state. Persons do not have to be a resident of the state from which the permit was issued. However, an Iowa resident must have an Iowa Permit To Carry in order to lawfully carry a firearm on his or her person in Iowa.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
I wonder why Barry assumes I never met Robin. So Bhairitu, you think Barry is just kidding with this post? He seems awfully wound up to me. There's always tremendous negative energy behind his demonizations of Robin or Ann or me or others he doesn't like. It's as if he was fighting for his very survival, the poor guy. He isn't kidding, but he might as well be. He styles himself as the expert on Judy Stein, but in fact he knows nothing about me other than what I've said on FFL, and he even misrepresents that. Whenever he tries to guess, he gets it wrong. This post of his is no exception. Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person suffering from NPD makes it up as they go along? If that isn't a perfect description of Barry himself, I can't imagine what is. Even Xeno admitted that Barry doesn't care anything about being truthful or accurate, and that's certainly borne out by this post, as well as countless others that preceded it. I think your arms length comment kinda says it all, Steve. That's just what armchair seekers like Judy DO. They never actually DO anything much to further their own self discovery...they just read about other people's, and then argue about the stuff they think about it. One of the reasons that some of these armchair seekers purposefully keep from meeting the teachers they supposedly study with is that it's easier to preserve one's cherished fantasies about them if you've never met them. She did this with Maharishi, and she did it with Robin. She can continue to believe all the fantasies she's developed about both of them without fear of contradiction, because she's never exposed herself to the possibility of contradiction. Both of these guys -- or her impressions of them -- are tucked away in an elaborate fantasy cubbyhole in her mind, placed on a pedestal of honor there, and because she never has (or will) encounter the reality of them, she gets to call this fantasy truth. Anyone who disagrees with the fantasy is a liar. As has been pointed out here, Judy has arguably the *least* actual hands on spiritual experience of anyone on this forum. She's only done one short rounding course (which she, of course, considers long), she never became a teacher (and thus had to put other people's welfare ahead of her own), and she never met Maharishi. She never even met the Robin guy she claims to be the resident expert on. The only things she knows are the fantasies running around in her head. But to her those fantasies are so cherished and she *needs* them so much to keep on keepin' on that any challenge to them is perceived as a challenge to herself, her self, her very being. Challenging her idealized notions of Robin are (from her point of view) like attacking *her*, so of course she has to take them seriously. If anyone were to believe more objective points of view expressed here about the guy, they'd begin to challenge her posturing as the expert. And she simply cannot allow that. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy Excellent points. For most of us, it is just a chat room. A place to banter about. And so, it is sort of jarring when someone like Judy takes everything so seriously and personally. Like it squeezes most of the fun out of it. Of course you will never convince her of that. She views herself as the staunch upholder of truth and justice, and there is no battle too small for her to fight. Just like what she is going to say in response to this post. The internet age was made for her in some ways as it is easier to be friends with someone, or maintain an alliance when you can remain at arms length. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
[FairfieldLife] Vedic Pandits Update #2
http://www.vedicpandits.org/emailing/images/bsflh-header.jpg Dear Supporter of the Maharishi Vedic Pandits, More than 30 Indian publications in the US and abroad have retracted the wildly inaccurate article about the Vedic Pandits that they had picked up from a Chicago Indian weekly. This has ranged from direct retractions (e.g., below), to publishing the detailed text of our responses, to new positive news articles about the Pandits. http://globalcountryofworldpeace.org/emailing/images/allvoices.gif Dr. Prakash Shrivastava and Raja Bob LoPinto held 5 days of meetings with the Vedic Pandits at the Maharishi Vedic City campus, working with them about this situation, educating them about the consequences of Pandits going off on their own, and addressing any concerns the Pandits have. This is already having a positive effect. Some Pandits who had left the Chicago airport without returning to India have returned to Maharishi Vedic City and been given flights home. The vast majority of the Vedic Pandits are very dedicated to their program and happy with campus life. One special outcome of these on-campus meetings was identifying Pandits in Maharishi Vedic City who have been in the Movement for 20 years or more, and forming a council of these senior Pandits to give advice and guide the others. Again, thank you for your support for the Maharishi Vedic Pandit program and for all your kind responses to this current challenge. With this situation largely behind us, we are now working to bring more Pandits from India to replace those who are going home after completing their 2- or 3-year stays in the US. Jai Guru Dev, Raja John Hagelin
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
It's funny you should say this about me without including Barry, whose attacks on those he doesn't like are almost all dead serious. As to the Internet being made for me, what makes you think all my friends are electronic-only? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: Excellent points. For most of us, it is just a chat room. A place to banter about. And so, it is sort of jarring when someone like Judy takes everything so seriously and personally. Like it squeezes most of the fun out of it. Of course you will never convince her of that. She views herself as the staunch upholder of truth and justice, and there is no battle too small for her to fight. Just like what she is going to say in response to this post. The internet age was made for her in some ways as it is easier to be friends with someone, or maintain an alliance when you can remain at arms length. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
[FairfieldLife] Yoga Pants Not Allowed Here
So says a high school principal in Massachusetts. What about meditation? http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/oddnews/high-school-outlaws-yoga-pants-and-leggings-173901237.html http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/oddnews/high-school-outlaws-yoga-pants-and-leggings-173901237.html
[FairfieldLife] RE: China's Moon Rover Is Kaput
Salyavin, You've given us a new story line with this post. It appears that the rover is leading us to the rabbit hole like Alice in Wonderland. What's next?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
then why has John Hagelin said that only 5% of them have gone missing? On Thu, 2/13/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 2:58 PM On 2/13/2014 6:41 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Damned Muck-Rakers. Did not fact check their sources. There are no missing boy pandits in Vedic City and apparently the living quarters are fit for a king with a free education. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
Are you sure that think is the right word? The pundits have an average age of 26, according to the article we are discussing. But if they were underage I would be even more likely to talk about them. I find the idea of keeping a bunch of foreigners as pets in the hope of giving yourselves a better life to be astoundingly offensive. Not least because it doesn't actually work, as anyone who has thought objectively about it for at least a minute will be aware. The amount of people I know who have desperately given money in the hope of a turnaround in bad circumstances is beyond count. I know disabled people who have paid a fortune for these bullshit yagyas. I know someone I can't even talk about who gave his life savings in exchange for a few prayers that quite obviously did nothing. The list is endless, in one way we have to say that if God didn't want them sheared he would not have made them sheep. On the other hand I can't see a wrong without wanting to see it righted. Either prove that this superstitious crap works or let the pundits go home or earn some money in Fairfield or get them a degree that might mean something in the real world. What I think is that the whole thing is a scam and you should be ashamed for trying to shut down debate about it on a public forum. But you are right in that they are religious, but they claim to be scientific and that makes them fair game. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/13/2014 8:04 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I wonder why no one in the press questions the purpose of keeping these people in Iowa? It would probably be in the best interests of the poor Hindu pandit boys if they were left alone to pray and get an education in Vedic City. Most of us here probably think it would be better not to involve the children in a sordid FFL debate. There's nothing good going to come from discussing the private life of under age children on a public forum. It would probably be much better to just leave the children alone and raise our own - that's more appropriate and rewarding than smearing some religious group in Iowa. That's what I think.
Re: [FairfieldLife] South Carolina Governor is Smart
we gone have it better here - when Gov. Nikki gits through, we gone have the right to carry openly or concealed any kinder weapon we wants ta, without no tranin' neither! - bang bang, bam bam! What a fine state to live in! On Thu, 2/13/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] South Carolina Governor is Smart To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 3:37 PM On 2/13/2014 5:53 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: The main most reason to live in South Carolina instead of Iowa It's probably not the only reason to live in Iowa - there's also the weather. From what I've read, Iowa allows open carry after applicants successfully complete an approved training course. Apparently Iowa will honor any valid permit issued by any other state. Persons do not have to be a resident of the state from which the permit was issued. However, an Iowa resident must have an Iowa Permit To Carry in order to lawfully carry a firearm on his or her person in Iowa.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
you are still an idiot who can't read - the MUM folks claim NONE of them are under the age of 18 On Thu, 2/13/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 3:09 PM On 2/13/2014 8:04 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I wonder why no one in the press questions the purpose of keeping these people in Iowa? It would probably be in the best interests of the poor Hindu pandit boys if they were left alone to pray and get an education in Vedic City. Most of us here probably think it would be better not to involve the children in a sordid FFL debate. There's nothing good going to come from discussing the private life of under age children on a public forum. It would probably be much better to just leave the children alone and raise our own - that's more appropriate and rewarding than smearing some religious group in Iowa. That's what I think.
[FairfieldLife] I knew the Beatles were angels on earth... I could never be upset with angels.
http://www.contactmusic.com/news-article/chopra-reveals-the-truth-behind-beatlesmaharishi-split_16_02_2006 http://www.contactmusic.com/news-article/chopra-reveals-the-truth-behind-beatlesmaharishi-split_16_02_2006
[FairfieldLife] MUM isn't the only school that hides it head
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/education/christian-school-faulted-for-halting-abuse-study.html?_r=1
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
Precisely! Follow the money people, follow the money ...
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
I agree totally - it might have some decency if they would do some sort of profit sharing with the pundits - but given the millions of dollars the TMO gets from the yagyas, and the pundits get maybe 50 bucks a month, and even that is apparently not given if the man who posted here recently is accurate. What an unconscionable con this whole thing is. On Thu, 2/13/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 4:29 PM Are you sure that think is the right word? The pundits have an average age of 26, according to the article we are discussing. But if they were underage I would be even more likely to talk about them. I find the idea of keeping a bunch of foreigners as pets in the hope of giving yourselves a better life to be astoundingly offensive. Not least because it doesn't actually work, as anyone who has thought objectively about it for at least a minute will be aware. The amount of people I know who have desperately given money in the hope of a turnaround in bad circumstances is beyond count. I know disabled people who have paid a fortune for these bullshit yagyas. I know someone I can't even talk about who gave his life savings in exchange for a few prayers that quite obviously did nothing. The list is endless, in one way we have to say that if God didn't want them sheared he would not have made them sheep. On the other hand I can't see a wrong without wanting to see it righted. Either prove that this superstitious crap works or let the pundits go home or earn some money in Fairfield or get them a degree that might mean something in the real world. What I think is that the whole thing is a scam and you should be ashamed for trying to shut down debate about it on a public forum. But you are right in that they are religious, but they claim to be scientific and that makes them fair game. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/13/2014 8:04 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I wonder why no one in the press questions the purpose of keeping these people in Iowa? It would probably be in the best interests of the poor Hindu pandit boys if they were left alone to pray and get an education in Vedic City. Most of us here probably think it would be better not to involve the children in a sordid FFL debate. There's nothing good going to come from discussing the private life of under age children on a public forum. It would probably be much better to just leave the children alone and raise our own - that's more appropriate and rewarding than smearing some religious group in Iowa. That's what I think.
[FairfieldLife] A Dream of Life (without Gravity)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhVQqPx5Ubw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhVQqPx5Ubw
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV-inspired rap: Some early Top Of The Lake impressions
Well as somebody once said, taste is relative and you're no relative of mine. :-D I was more into the storyline especially the bit about dealing with the town tyrant. I also like films just set in other countries. Campion also mocked Hunter's cult a bit in the film. In an earlier Campion film, Sweetie, she mocked another cult. Guess which one? I was right about Knights of Badassdom. There are articles on the web about it being shelved even after getting a good response at Comic Con. On 02/13/2014 12:28 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I have to agree with s3raphita here. Sorry ultrarishi and bhairitu...please don't take this personally, but my honest reaction to this series was feeling like I needed to take a shower afterwards. The worst thing about it was the overriding sense of obsession and ickiness that has become Jane Campion's trademark in her later films. And interestingly enough, it wasn't just the subject matter that made it that way. For example, the Millenium series of movies (starting with The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo) dealt with material just as dark, as did Bron-Broen in some ways, but I wasn't left with the same icky feeling after those films. On a craftsmanship level, I have to disagree with most of the reviews of this film I've read since watching it. I think that the reviewers either were swayed by the big names (Campion, Elizabeth Moss, Holly Hunter) or they have low standards. The plot was mediocre IMO, even by TV detective series standards. The timeline (which took place over 5 months) was completely messed up, with no real sense of elapsed time between scenes, the whodunnit was obvious after episode 3, and IMO there were almost no real characters. Instead they were caricatures...stereotypes with little depth...and I for one found none of them believable. Especially Holly Hunter as GJ. As I said before, if Campion actually based her on UG Krishnamurti, then her perception is *way* off. The only one of the awards it was nominated for that I felt was deserved was for cinematography, and even that was a no-brainer, because all that the DP had to do was point a camera at the beautiful NZ countryside and turn it on. All in all, color me disappointed. I was hoping that watching it would cure me of my aversion to Jane Campion, but instead it reinforced it. I won't be bothering with any of her films in the future. I really *needed* (after the shower) a quick watching of a dumb nerd/horror movie (Knights Of Badassdom) to take the bad taste out of my eyes. *From:* s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2014 12:22 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] RE: TV-inspired rap: Some early Top Of The Lake impressions I watched the whole of Top Of The Lake. It's unpleasant and violent with no redeeming or attractive characters. I only watched because of the UG guru role to see where that would lead. Nowhere is the answer. There's no real relationship between the spiritual group and the disorder and crime surrounding it so the commune just adds a slightly exotic ambience to the drama. You wanted Holly Hunter's character to provide an alternative interpretation of the events but there is no resolution - just a confirmation of Campion's pessimism.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
On 2/12/2014 10:25 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: It's odd, isn't it, that most people here in this place for the insane nevertheless manage to get their facts straight most of the time and ground their opinions in those facts rather than in hallucinatory fantasies and deliberate distortions, especially regarding other FFLers. Doesn't mean they always get everything right, or that they're always fair, but they do make an effort. What's odd is that most of us manage to get our facts straight most of the time and ground our facts rather than hallucinatory fantasies and deliberate distortions, except Robin when he posts his parodies. It looks like Robin was deliberately posting some distortions. So, it's not easy to describe Robin in a nut shell - he seems to have come out of his trance-induction state and dealt with his psychotic break pretty well - but he is difficult to figure out. These days he seems like a nice bunch of guys. Go figure. Judy, I think you an intelligent and well-meaning person; but Curtis and Barry and even to some extent, although less passionately, Steve have identified what is wrong with you; and I think you must be courageous enough to finally examine yourself, since I, who until just now was one of your most loyal supporters have undergone an extraordinary change of heart, and have admitted to myself that you are the person in the wrong here, that Barry is right. - Masked Zebra http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/300960
Re: [FairfieldLife] South Carolina Governor is Smart
So South Carolina will become The Wild East? :-D On 02/13/2014 08:31 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: we gone have it better here - when Gov. Nikki gits through, we gone have the right to carry openly or concealed any kinder weapon we wants ta, without no tranin' neither! - bang bang, bam bam! What a fine state to live in! On Thu, 2/13/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] South Carolina Governor is Smart To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 3:37 PM On 2/13/2014 5:53 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: The main most reason to live in South Carolina instead of Iowa It's probably not the only reason to live in Iowa - there's also the weather. From what I've read, Iowa allows open carry after applicants successfully complete an approved training course. Apparently Iowa will honor any valid permit issued by any other state. Persons do not have to be a resident of the state from which the permit was issued. However, an Iowa resident must have an Iowa Permit To Carry in order to lawfully carry a firearm on his or her person in Iowa.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
Um, yeah, except he figured nobody here was stupid enough to think he was serious, given how vanishingly unlikely it was that he would ally himself with Barry. And anyone who was that stupid who watched for signs of any rapprochement with Barry or opposition to me after that would have had a rude awakening and realize how foolish they had been. Good grief, even Barry knew it was a gag. Oh, and not to mention that when he responded to my wildly over-the-top role-playing in response to his post, he pretended to take me seriously. Not even the stupidest people would have failed to realize that what I wrote was a gag. It's odd, isn't it, that most people here in this place for the insane nevertheless manage to get their facts straight most of the time and ground their opinions in those facts rather than in hallucinatory fantasies and deliberate distortions, especially regarding other FFLers. Doesn't mean they always get everything right, or that they're always fair, but they do make an effort. What's odd is that most of us manage to get our facts straight most of the time and ground our facts rather than hallucinatory fantasies and deliberate distortions, except Robin when he posts his parodies. It looks like Robin was deliberately posting some distortions. So, it's not easy to describe Robin in a nut shell - he seems to have come out of his trance-induction state and dealt with his psychotic break pretty well - but he is difficult to figure out. These days he seems like a nice bunch of guys. Go figure. Judy, I think you an intelligent and well-meaning person; but Curtis and Barry and even to some extent, although less passionately, Steve have identified what is wrong with you; and I think you must be courageous enough to finally examine yourself, since I, who until just now was one of your most loyal supporters have undergone an extraordinary change of heart, and have admitted to myself that you are the person in the wrong here, that Barry is right. - Masked Zebra http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/300960 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/300960
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam
On 2/9/2014 9:45 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 2/8/2014 9:21 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Neither Eastern Orthodox nor Western Christianity permit the view that humans can become ontologically one with God. That remains the seperative divide between Eastern and Western religions. What Eastern Orthodox philosophy supports the notion that humans can ontologically be one with God? 1. Vedanta 2. Yoga 3. Mimamsa 4. Samkhya 5. Nyaya 6. Vaisheshika From what I've read, there are no orthodox systems in India that support the notion of union with God. There are numerous gods in Indian mythology such as Krishna and Vishnu; but there is no dualist system that I know of that advocates a union with god or the gods. In Vedanta we have the Brahman, not to be confused with God Brahma, but Brahman is not the Creator God - you can't merge an unreal existence with the real, the this with That, since you are already That. Maybe it's time to review the Six Orthodox Systems of Indian Philosophy: 1. Vedanta Sri-Vaishnavism - Vishisht Advaita Vedanta Tengalai (Southern; Tamil) Bengalai (Northern; Sanskrit) Madhva Vaishnavism - Dvaita Vedanta Bengali Vaishnavism Bheda-bheda Vedanta West Indian or Gujarati Vaishnavism - Shuddh Advaita Smartism - Advaita Vedanta 2. Yoga (Sankhya Dualism) 3. Mimamsa (Vedist Ritualism) 4. Samkhya (Brahmanic Analytical Atheism) 5. Nyaya (Logical Theism) 6. Vaisheshika (Atomic Naturalism) Works cited: Foundations of Hindu Philosophy By Theos Bernard, Ph.D. Philosophical Publishing House 1947 pp. 129-130
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam
That's Eastern Orthodox Christianity, dingbat. Neither Eastern Orthodox nor Western Christianity permit the view that humans can become ontologically one with God. That remains the seperative divide between Eastern and Western religions. What Eastern Orthodox philosophy supports the notion that humans can ontologically be one with God? 1. Vedanta 2. Yoga 3. Mimamsa 4. Samkhya 5. Nyaya 6. Vaisheshika From what I've read, there are no orthodox systems in India that support the notion of union with God. There are numerous gods in Indian mythology such as Krishna and Vishnu; but there is no dualist system that I know of that advocates a union with god or the gods. In Vedanta we have the Brahman, not to be confused with God Brahma, but Brahman is not the Creator God - you can't merge an unreal existence with the real, the this with That, since you are already That. Maybe it's time to review the Six Orthodox Systems of Indian Philosophy: 1. Vedanta Sri-Vaishnavism - Vishisht Advaita Vedanta Tengalai (Southern; Tamil) Bengalai (Northern; Sanskrit) Madhva Vaishnavism - Dvaita Vedanta Bengali Vaishnavism Bheda-bheda Vedanta West Indian or Gujarati Vaishnavism - Shuddh Advaita Smartism - Advaita Vedanta 2. Yoga (Sankhya Dualism) 3. Mimamsa (Vedist Ritualism) 4. Samkhya (Brahmanic Analytical Atheism) 5. Nyaya (Logical Theism) 6. Vaisheshika (Atomic Naturalism) Works cited: Foundations of Hindu Philosophy By Theos Bernard, Ph.D. Philosophical Publishing House 1947 pp. 129-130
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
What's funny about this is that I posted my comment yesterday morning and it only showed up on the web site in the evening. It came through by mail yesterday morning. The NSA must be really busy these days. :-D Perhaps it depends on one's pedigree. Some folks I met during my time in TM apparently went to finishing schools and their gatherings were a bit snobbish if not uncomfortable. I would guess they would not feel comfortable at one of my anything goes table chats at Starbucks. On 02/12/2014 09:02 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: I like to think of this place as if we are sitting around a table at Starbucks. First off, most folks at the table wouldn't get so wound up on assertions because they would know the asserter is just kidding them. And we would hope that before someone replied they didn't say, just a minute as they looked up something online on their phone or tablet. That would be a really bogged down conversation, hmm. :-D I would like to think if we were all sitting at Starbucks together we would have enough respect for each other that we would be willing to reveal enough of what is real and true about ourselves in a way that does not infringe, compromise or inappropriately offend others. It would also be nice to think that the parameters that bind us when we are together in person are not different from how we would conduct ourselves online. Many times I feel some take liberties via internet forums that they would not so readily adopt in person. Or, at least, I certainly hope they wouldn't adopt in 3D because some here need to learn some real manners. In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. On 02/12/2014 07:39 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
We know you cut the cable as far as TV is concerned. Did you dump TWC for broadband too? Comcast wants to gobble it up if you've been paying attention to the news. The Roberts family must want to own the world. On 02/13/2014 06:54 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 2/12/2014 11:02 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. It would be a strange meeting at Starbucks to be invited for coffee if you'd just been called a dumb hick, a perv, a liar, an idiot, a troll, and lower than slime and you were being shunned for your political POV and your place of birth by the group leaders. If that happened at a Starbucks up in Austin, there would be at least be some table-turning and a food fight before taking it out in the parking lot. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam
Richard, I've just been reading a book of Mother Meera. She says: It is the law that the human has to change in order to unite with the Divine. Maybe she doesn't use an orthodox system but I think she's pretty enlightened! She also writes a lot about Paramatman. I wonder how that's different from Brahman. On Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:28 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/9/2014 9:45 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 2/8/2014 9:21 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Neither Eastern Orthodox nor Western Christianity permit the view that humans can become ontologically one with God. That remains the seperative divide between Eastern and Western religions. What Eastern Orthodox philosophy supports the notion that humans can ontologically be one with God? 1. Vedanta 2. Yoga 3. Mimamsa 4. Samkhya 5. Nyaya 6. Vaisheshika From what I've read, there are no orthodox systems in India that support the notion of union with God. There are numerous gods in Indian mythology such as Krishna and Vishnu; but there is no dualist system that I know of that advocates a union with god or the gods. In Vedanta we have the Brahman, not to be confused with God Brahma, but Brahman is not the Creator God - you can't merge an unreal existence with the real, the this with That, since you are already That. Maybe it's time to review the Six Orthodox Systems of Indian Philosophy: 1. Vedanta Sri-Vaishnavism - Vishisht Advaita Vedanta Tengalai (Southern; Tamil) Bengalai (Northern; Sanskrit) Madhva Vaishnavism - Dvaita Vedanta Bengali Vaishnavism Bheda-bheda Vedanta West Indian or Gujarati Vaishnavism - Shuddh Advaita Smartism - Advaita Vedanta 2. Yoga (Sankhya Dualism) 3. Mimamsa (Vedist Ritualism) 4. Samkhya (Brahmanic Analytical Atheism) 5. Nyaya (Logical Theism) 6. Vaisheshika (Atomic Naturalism) Works cited: Foundations of Hindu Philosophy By Theos Bernard, Ph.D. Philosophical Publishing House 1947 pp. 129-130
Re: [FairfieldLife] South Carolina Governor is Smart
Pretty much - there is in the capitol city of Columbia a neighborhood called Five Points - a lot of restaurants and bars that cater to the University of SC students - there have been a lot of incidents of violence, robberies, rapes, a few shootings there and some of the shootings happened with guys who were packing with no permit and no training, the very thing Gov Nikki thinks is a cool thing. Her deal is she wants to be the first female President of the US and loves to get the NRA on her side. She is a Sikh by birth but claims to have given it up and become born agin after she married her white Protestant hubby. I have had dealings with her sister - beautiful Sikh woman who is as unprincipled as her sister. She is a big New Ager and has alienated nearly everyone I know who had dealings with her. Of course, Gov. Nikki isn't the one who introduced the proposed law, that was one of our new state legislators, a Republican. As it is, SC citizens can now carry loaded weapons into restaurants and bars, as long as they don't consume alcohol. Not to many bar owners think its a good idea, but hey, when we can all carry open or concealed, it will be much more better. I saw that out in Arizona and New Mexico years ago. I can't wait till I can strap on my American Eagle 50 caliber and go strut around. On Thu, 2/13/14, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] South Carolina Governor is Smart To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 5:13 PM So South Carolina will become The Wild East? :-D On 02/13/2014 08:31 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: we gone have it better here - when Gov. Nikki gits through, we gone have the right to carry openly or concealed any kinder weapon we wants ta, without no tranin' neither! - bang bang, bam bam! What a fine state to live in! On Thu, 2/13/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] South Carolina Governor is Smart To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 3:37 PM On 2/13/2014 5:53 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: The main most reason to live in South Carolina instead of Iowa It's probably not the only reason to live in Iowa - there's also the weather. From what I've read, Iowa allows open carry after applicants successfully complete an approved training course. Apparently Iowa will honor any valid permit issued by any other state. Persons do not have to be a resident of the state from which the permit was issued. However, an Iowa resident must have an Iowa Permit To Carry in order to lawfully carry a firearm on his or her person in Iowa.
[FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird
They may exist around suns that are considered red dwarfs. Life in them could be strange, such as plants with black leaves in order to gather sunlight for photosynthesis. http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/13/5405788/exoplanet-search-for-habitable-planets http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/13/5405788/exoplanet-search-for-habitable-planets
[FairfieldLife] Re: More About Badrinath
My Journey to India 2011 - Badarikashrama - The Mountain Home of God [image: Inline image 1] At holy places you don't have to wait for miracles - they are all around you. Diaries by Sacinandana Swami: http://www.sacinandanaswami.com/my-journey-to-india/http://www.sacinandanaswami.com/en/s1a23/diaries-by-sacinandana-swami/my-journey-to-india-2011-badarikashrama-the-mountain-home-of-god.html On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: A broad stairway leads up to a tall arched gateway, which is the main entrance. The architecture resembles a Buddhist vihara (temple), with the brightly painted facade also more typical of Buddhism temples. [image: Inline image 1] The main shrine houses the 1 m (3.3 ft) Shaligram (black stone) image of Badrinarayan, housed in a gold canopy, under a Badri Tree. The image of Badari Narayan is armed with Shankh (conch) and Chakra (wheel) in two of his arms in a lifted posture and two arms rested on the lap in Yogamudra posture. Vishnu in the form of Badrinath, is depicted in the temple sitting in padmasana posture. According to the legend, Vishnu was chastised by a sage who saw Vishnu's consort Lakshmi massaging his feet. Vishnu went to Badrinath to perform austerity, meditating for a long time in padmasana. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badrinath_temple
[FairfieldLife] The coldest place in the universe...
Here’s one of the coolest sentences you’ll ever read: The International Space Station will soon be the coldest place in the known universe. A new instrument that will be sent to the ISS, called the Cold Atom Lab, will reach temperatures as low as 100 picokelvin — 100 trillionths of a degree above absolute zero. As matter approaches absolute zero, it starts to exhibit some very odd, rather quantum behavior. http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/175932-the-international-space-station-will-soon-become-the-coldest-place-in-the-known-universe-for-science http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/175932-the-international-space-station-will-soon-become-the-coldest-place-in-the-known-universe-for-science
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
We could all meet at Starbucks in Austin and get those YouTube people down here to film it and put it online. It would be an interesting meeting but seriously, I doubt if Judy would be invited and still get all the others to show up for the meeting. But, assuming she did show up, after Barry started the yelling and Buck upset the table, I don't see anyone defending her - maybe if Ann wore her boots she might try kicking Share in the shin or something. Go figure. But, seriously I can see Mike Dixon maybe slinging some mashed potatoes at Judy and I'm pretty sure MJ would get a pie in his face hole. There's no telling what Xeno or Curtis would do. I don't know if I could resist tripping someone like Robin as they tried to run out the door to the parking lot. I'd hope that people would come to their senses before someone had to call the cops and a bambulance. LoL! On 2/13/2014 9:22 AM, Share Long wrote: That's it, Richard! I'm moving to Austin and hanging out at Starbuck's! But might visit Whole Foods now and then, just to stock up on Larabars and quinoa (-: On Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:54 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/12/2014 11:02 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com mailto:awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. It would be a strange meeting at Starbucks to be invited for coffee if you'd just been called a dumb hick, a perv, a liar, an idiot, a troll, and lower than slime and you were being shunned for your political POV and your place of birth by the group leaders. If that happened at a Starbucks up in Austin, there would be at least be some table-turning and a food fight before taking it out in the parking lot. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Churning the Ocean of Milk
IMO, this is a parable about meditation which tells of its many benefits, the greatest of which is Amrit, the elixir of life. Along the way, the asuras got disturbed in the churning when the apsaras appeared. As such, the gods obtained more benefits such as the appearances of Dhanvantari and Shri, the beautiful Goddess. Eventually, Vishnu awarded the amrit to the gods. http://www.saivism.net/articles/churning.asp http://www.saivism.net/articles/churning.asp
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
On 2/13/2014 10:29 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I find the idea of keeping a bunch of foreigners as pets in the hope of giving yourselves a better life to be astoundingly offensive. There are probably a million foreign students living and working in the U.S. and in Canada. Around here, there are thousands of immigrants from India and Mexico. What would you have them do, leave their religion and their culture behind just because they want to get an education in the US? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird
John, here's an inspiring article about a woman who searches for exoplanets. http://www.dailygood.org/2014/01/29/a-great-potential-for-love/ On Thursday, February 13, 2014 1:02 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: They may exist around suns that are considered red dwarfs. Life in them could be strange, such as plants with black leaves in order to gather sunlight for photosynthesis. http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/13/5405788/exoplanet-search-for-habitable-planets
Re: [FairfieldLife] South Carolina Governor is Smart
Hey MJ, Carrying loaded guns is not going to win the Superbowl and the support of Nature. You guys need to pass the bhong laws to win the Superbowl just like the State of Washington. If the people start smoking weed, then Shiva may bestow his blessings on you all. IMO, Peyton Manning should wear his hair in dreadlocks so that the Broncos can win the Superbowl next year.
Re: [FairfieldLife] South Carolina Governor is Smart
On 2/13/2014 10:31 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: we gone have it better here - when Gov. Nikki gits through, we gone have the right to carry openly or concealed any kinder weapon we wants ta, without no tranin' neither! - bang bang, bam bam! What a fine state to live in! If you are insane or if you are a convicted criminal you cannot own a firearm in SC or in IA. And, it is against a federal law that you cannot own a machine gun or saw off the end of your shotgun. However, if you do prefer to be armed with a pistol I would suggest that in public you conceal your weapon - never show your gun unless you plan to use it to defend yourself. In fact, the best plan would be to never tell anyone you even carry a pistol on your person or keep one in your car or at your home. According to Sun Tzu in the Art of War, the best line of defense is to have no enemies. That being said, the last place you would want to be is in a gun fight without a gun. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
LOL, is that what they're doing, getting an education? Well spun, you should work in the TM press office. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/13/2014 10:29 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I find the idea of keeping a bunch of foreigners as pets in the hope of giving yourselves a better life to be astoundingly offensive. There are probably a million foreign students living and working in the U.S. and in Canada. Around here, there are thousands of immigrants from India and Mexico. What would you have them do, leave their religion and their culture behind just because they want to get an education in the US? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
On 2/13/2014 10:31 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: you are still an idiot who can't read - the MUM folks claim NONE of them are under the age of 18 It's still none of your business what Hindu schoolboys do after school, no matter what age they are or where they live - it's a free country.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
On 2/13/2014 10:51 AM, geezerfr...@yahoo.com wrote: Precisely! Follow the money people, follow the money ... He's dead, Geezer. What money?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
On 2/13/2014 10:52 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: if they would do some sort of profit sharing with the pundits You mean other than the cash stipend, the free room and board and the free education?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
You really are an utterly shameless apologist. Luckily everyone else can read and understand and don't have to rely on your delusions. I might just try and add up the amount of money that people that just I know have spent on prayers performed by your schoolboys. I'll need a big calculator though... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/13/2014 10:51 AM, geezerfreak@... mailto:geezerfreak@... wrote: Precisely! Follow the money people, follow the money ... He's dead, Geezer. What money?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam
On 2/13/2014 11:33 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *That's Eastern Orthodox Christianity, dingbat.* Robin was an Advaita Vedantin, dingbat.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
On 2/13/2014 11:55 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Did you dump TWC for broadband too? We've still got the ATT DSL at the place in San Antonio. When we move to Austin we will get on the fiber optic. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: It's funny you should say this about me without including Barry, whose attacks on those he doesn't like are almost all dead serious. It just an area where we have a difference of opinion. In general, I think Barry's approach to the site more or less mirrors mine which is to give people ample space to express their opinions, and not necessarily press too hard if there is a disagreement. As to the Internet being made for me, what makes you think all my friends are electronic-only? I mean only that it may be easier to form alliances or remain friendly, electronically, where that may not be the case in person. I don't assume that all your friends are electronic only. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: Excellent points. For most of us, it is just a chat room. A place to banter about. And so, it is sort of jarring when someone like Judy takes everything so seriously and personally. Like it squeezes most of the fun out of it. Of course you will never convince her of that. She views herself as the staunch upholder of truth and justice, and there is no battle too small for her to fight. Just like what she is going to say in response to this post. The internet age was made for her in some ways as it is easier to be friends with someone, or maintain an alliance when you can remain at arms length. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
Re: [FairfieldLife] South Carolina Governor is Smart
On 2/13/2014 12:19 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: I can't wait till I can strap on my American Eagle 50 caliber and go strut around. You could go to the mall or a movie theater or an elementary school and strut around with the ammo belt around your neck. Yeah, that's the ticket!
[FairfieldLife] The Bible was made up?
The Old Testament's made-up camels are a problem for Zionism The earliest camel bones have been dated at 1,500 years after Genesis – which undermines Zionists' promised land narrative http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2014/feb/13/old-testament-camels-zionism-genesis http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2014/feb/13/old-testament-camels-zionism-genesis
Re: [FairfieldLife] Churning the Ocean of Milk
On 2/13/2014 1:57 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: this is a parable about meditation which tells of its many benefits, the greatest of which is Amrit, the elixir of life. Along the way, the asuras got disturbed in the churning when the apsaras appeared. As such, the gods obtained more benefits such as the appearances of Dhanvantari and Shri, the beautiful Goddess. Eventually, Vishnu awarded the amrit to the gods. The most popular version this myth, The Churning of the Milk Ocean, is found in the Eighth Canto of the Bhagavata Purana. In Buddhist mythology, amrita is the Nectar of the Gods, which grants them immortality. The Ninth Mandala of the Rigveda is known as the Soma Mandala. In this epoch Dhanvantari, the physician to the gods, first appeared during the great churning of the cosmic milk ocean to deliver amrta (nectar) for the nourishment of the demigods. The churning of the milk ocean is one of the most famous episodes in Puranic history and is celebrated in a major way every twelve years in the festival known as Kumbha Mela. The story is related in the Srimad Bhagavatam, a major work that describes the avataras in great detail. Soma and Haoma was a ritual drink of importance among the early Indo-Iranians, and the later Vedic and Iranian cultures. It is frequently mentioned in the Rigveda, which contains many hymns praising its energizing or intoxicating qualities. It is described as a decoction prepared by pressing juice from the stalks of a certain mountain plant, which has been variously hypothesized to be a psychedelic mushroom, cannabis, or ephedra. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedra
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
On 2/13/2014 2:21 PM, salyavin808 wrote: is that what they're doing, getting an education? All Indian pandits go to school - probably their entire lives are devoted to learning.
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
You must be very selective in the posts by Barry that you read. You're a piker compared to him. Did you see his post this morning? Its viciousness (and inaccuracy) is typical. Your experience with making and keeping friends live vs. electronically is most definitely not the same as mine. Did you notice all the mind-reading in your first post (quoted below, in blue) in this sequence? It's funny you should say this about me without including Barry, whose attacks on those he doesn't like are almost all dead serious. It just an area where we have a difference of opinion. In general, I think Barry's approach to the site more or less mirrors mine which is to give people ample space to express their opinions, and not necessarily press too hard if there is a disagreement. As to the Internet being made for me, what makes you think all my friends are electronic-only? I mean only that it may be easier to form alliances or remain friendly, electronically, where that may not be the case in person. I don't assume that all your friends are electronic only. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: Excellent points. For most of us, it is just a chat room. A place to banter about. And so, it is sort of jarring when someone like Judy takes everything so seriously and personally. Like it squeezes most of the fun out of it. Of course you will never convince her of that. She views herself as the staunch upholder of truth and justice, and there is no battle too small for her to fight. Just like what she is going to say in response to this post. The internet age was made for her in some ways as it is easier to be friends with someone, or maintain an alliance when you can remain at arms length. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
On 2/13/2014 2:27 PM, salyavin808 wrote: I might just try and add up the amount of money that people that just I know have spent on prayers performed by your schoolboys. So, how much money have you donated to the MMY pandit project?
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Bible was made up?
On 2/13/2014 2:53 PM, salyavin808 wrote: The earliest camel bones have been dated at 1,500 years after Genesis – which undermines Zionists' promised land narrative It's probably not a good idea to equate historical archaeology with ancient political propaganda. Apparently all the semitic-speaking people originated in the the Levant, descended from the Cannanites, the native inhabitants. The Canaanites were, if anyone, the original people of Canaan, not the Philistines who came much later. But, it is a fact that the Arabs came after the Philistines, who were assimilated into the Canaanite society. The Bible attributes the name to Canaan, the son of Ham and the grandson of Noah, whose offspring correspond to the names of various ethnic groups in the land of Canaan, listed in the Table of Nations (Gen. 10), where Sidon is named as his firstborn son, to be subdued by the descendents of Shem.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
On 2/13/2014 3:04 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Judy has arguably the *least* actual hands on spiritual experience of anyone on this forum. Maybe that's to Judy's credit - she was not as gullible as you were for example, donating thousands of dollars to MMY and to the Rama guy - spending half of your adult life working to promote a simple set of relaxation techniques. If what you say is true, ou've got very little to show for all your money and time. Are you as light as a feather? Can you fly, hover or fill whole rooms with golden light?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
U-Verse or something else? Did I read that they are doing a community fiber in Austin? I have U-Verse and the fiber terminates about 1/2 block away so it is copper from there to the pole. Not much of any problem but it is overpriced. They should have done community fiber here but we would have needed a hipper city council for that. On 02/13/2014 12:35 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 2/13/2014 11:55 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Did you dump TWC for broadband too? We've still got the ATT DSL at the place in San Antonio. When we move to Austin we will get on the fiber optic. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
YouTube people is us. You have a smart phone with a camera don't you? My phone takes 1080p HD and has a wide angle lens (instead of a 52mm standard like point and shoots). I also have other HD cameras. I suspect that folks who read like they would kill each other on FFL would just be laughing together. On 02/13/2014 11:52 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: We could all meet at Starbucks in Austin and get those YouTube people down here to film it and put it online. It would be an interesting meeting but seriously, I doubt if Judy would be invited and still get all the others to show up for the meeting. But, assuming she did show up, after Barry started the yelling and Buck upset the table, I don't see anyone defending her - maybe if Ann wore her boots she might try kicking Share in the shin or something. Go figure. But, seriously I can see Mike Dixon maybe slinging some mashed potatoes at Judy and I'm pretty sure MJ would get a pie in his face hole. There's no telling what Xeno or Curtis would do. I don't know if I could resist tripping someone like Robin as they tried to run out the door to the parking lot. I'd hope that people would come to their senses before someone had to call the cops and a bambulance. LoL! On 2/13/2014 9:22 AM, Share Long wrote: That's it, Richard! I'm moving to Austin and hanging out at Starbuck's! But might visit Whole Foods now and then, just to stock up on Larabars and quinoa (-: On Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:54 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/12/2014 11:02 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com mailto:awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. It would be a strange meeting at Starbucks to be invited for coffee if you'd just been called a dumb hick, a perv, a liar, an idiot, a troll, and lower than slime and you were being shunned for your political POV and your place of birth by the group leaders. If that happened at a Starbucks up in Austin, there would be at least be some table-turning and a food fight before taking it out in the parking lot. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] RE: The Bible was made up?
Archaeology and religion never seem to agree, and the evidence that the religious conception of the history of Palistine seems to be more and more unlikely. One site that the religious would probably find particularly annoying has the hypothesis that the Persians basically created Judaism. Judaism was created by the Persians in the fifth century. Colonists were deported into Yehud. Their reward was to have control of a temple state which collected taxes for Persia. Only priests of the temple state were Jews - a nation of priests. The history of the Jews was invented from Assyrian records and imagination, to show the native people as apostates who had to obey God diligently to atone for their past failings. Modern archaeologists have dug down to the roots of the bible stories and found them rotten. If David once lived, but not as in the bible, the biblical stories about him are fiction. Critical scholars consider that Genesis-Judges contains no reliable history. Even biblicists accept miraculously early stories were edited 'rather late'. The Jewish bible is a pious fraud, containing a little history hard to discern among the fiction, propagated for theological reasons. Only scripture corroborated by archaeological scholarship should be accepted as history. The Persian period is the earliest admissible context for the biblical romance. Biblicists accuse any critic of the bible as extreme until they accept it as the true account of God’s finger waggling in Jewish history. Most university departments of biblical studies employ committed evangelists not skeptics, so religious history is not history. History is scientific. Religious history is tendentious. It is a rather extensive argument beginning at http://www.askwhy.co.uk/judaism/index.php#How http://www.askwhy.co.uk/judaism/index.php#How
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
Yes Tricky Dicky, learning things of no value except to people like you who think they will have a better life from having someone do a bit of chanting on their behalf. It's a crock, I'm sorry you had to hear it here first. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/13/2014 2:21 PM, salyavin808 wrote: is that what they're doing, getting an education? All Indian pandits go to school - probably their entire lives are devoted to learning.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
noozguru and Richard, if youtube is us, then why the heck can't I find what I just posted there? Mr first youtube and I can't even figure out how to find it! Go figure! On Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:34 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: YouTube people is us. You have a smart phone with a camera don't you? My phone takes 1080p HD and has a wide angle lens (instead of a 52mm standard like point and shoots). I also have other HD cameras. I suspect that folks who read like they would kill each other on FFL would just be laughing together. On 02/13/2014 11:52 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: We could all meet at Starbucks in Austin and get those YouTube people down here to film it and put it online. It would be an interesting meeting but seriously, I doubt if Judy would be invited and still get all the others to show up for the meeting. But, assuming she did show up, after Barry started the yelling and Buck upset the table, I don't see anyone defending her - maybe if Ann wore her boots she might try kicking Share in the shin or something. Go figure. But, seriously I can see Mike Dixon maybe slinging some mashed potatoes at Judy and I'm pretty sure MJ would get a pie in his face hole. There's no telling what Xeno or Curtis would do. I don't know if I could resist tripping someone like Robin as they tried to run out the door to the parking lot. I'd hope that people would come to their senses before someone had to call the cops and a bambulance. LoL! On 2/13/2014 9:22 AM, Share Long wrote: That's it, Richard! I'm moving to Austin and hanging out at Starbuck's! But might visit Whole Foods now and then, just to stock up on Larabars and quinoa (-: On Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:54 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/12/2014 11:02 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. It would be a strange meeting at Starbucks to be invited for coffee if you'd just been called a dumb hick, a perv, a liar, an idiot, a troll, and lower than slime and you were being shunned for your political POV and your place of birth by the group leaders. If that happened at a Starbucks up in Austin, there would be at least be some table-turning and a food fight before taking it out in the parking lot. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] RE: The Bible was made up?
Yeah, the exodus never happened either, at least not how it was written anyway. You can tell because there aren't any sites in the Sinai desert of that age. I doubt much of it would survive close scrutiny, except Genesis obviously. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: Archaeology and religion never seem to agree, and the evidence that the religious conception of the history of Palistine seems to be more and more unlikely. One site that the religious would probably find particularly annoying has the hypothesis that the Persians basically created Judaism. Judaism was created by the Persians in the fifth century. Colonists were deported into Yehud. Their reward was to have control of a temple state which collected taxes for Persia. Only priests of the temple state were Jews - a nation of priests. The history of the Jews was invented from Assyrian records and imagination, to show the native people as apostates who had to obey God diligently to atone for their past failings. Modern archaeologists have dug down to the roots of the bible stories and found them rotten. If David once lived, but not as in the bible, the biblical stories about him are fiction. Critical scholars consider that Genesis-Judges contains no reliable history. Even biblicists accept miraculously early stories were edited 'rather late'. The Jewish bible is a pious fraud, containing a little history hard to discern among the fiction, propagated for theological reasons. Only scripture corroborated by archaeological scholarship should be accepted as history. The Persian period is the earliest admissible context for the biblical romance. Biblicists accuse any critic of the bible as extreme until they accept it as the true account of God’s finger waggling in Jewish history. Most university departments of biblical studies employ committed evangelists not skeptics, so religious history is not history. History is scientific. Religious history is tendentious. It is a rather extensive argument beginning at http://www.askwhy.co.uk/judaism/index.php#How http://www.askwhy.co.uk/judaism/index.php#How
[FairfieldLife] RE: The Bible was made up?
FWIW, the 3rd letter of Hebrew alphabet is 'gimmel', meaning 'camel'... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G11_QryTqZM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G11_QryTqZM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Churning the Ocean of Milk
Richard, I believe MMY believed soma actually exist as a chemical in the stomach of advanced meditators. This chemical is the source of bliss that meditators experience as part of the meditation practice. As such, the meditators are favored by the demigods since they too are seeking for this soma or amrita, the food of the gods. He invited researchers to work on this to discover the chemical involved. But I don't know if this research was actually undertaken. David Frawley wrote about this aspect of soma in relation with meditation in a book he published a few years ago.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird
Share, That was a nice article. Thanks for posting. The more we know about these exoplanets, the more we'll understand them. In the long run, they'll teach us about ourselves.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
Me? Are you kidding, not a penny. I can spot a scam from miles away. From the first time I heard about it I thought No way, it's rubbish, I'm surprised they get away with it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/13/2014 2:27 PM, salyavin808 wrote: I might just try and add up the amount of money that people that just I know have spent on prayers performed by your schoolboys. So, how much money have you donated to the MMY pandit project?
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Bible was made up?
Most likely the Bible is just a collection of old trader's tales that finally got written down. What remains today is most likely far from what existed originally. I've never given it much credence other than it being a book of tales some useful as moral examples. On 02/13/2014 12:53 PM, salyavin808 wrote: The Old Testament's made-up camels are a problem for Zionism The earliest camel bones have been dated at 1,500 years after Genesis – which undermines Zionists' promised land narrative http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2014/feb/13/old-testament-camels-zionism-genesis
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
Me? Are you kidding, not a penny. I can spot a scam from miles away. From the first time I heard about it I thought No way, it's rubbish, I'm surprised they get away with it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/13/2014 2:27 PM, salyavin808 wrote: I might just try and add up the amount of money that people that just I know have spent on prayers performed by your schoolboys. So, how much money have you donated to the MMY pandit project?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
LOL, me? Are you kidding, not a penny! I can spot a scam a mile away, you have to get up pretty early to catch me out, but yagyas! FFS, the whole concept stinks to high heaven. I'm embarrassed for you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/13/2014 2:27 PM, salyavin808 wrote: I might just try and add up the amount of money that people that just I know have spent on prayers performed by your schoolboys. So, how much money have you donated to the MMY pandit project?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Churning the Ocean of Milk
On my siddhis course (20+ years ago) the administrator said the grinding rocks were analogies for the two hemispheres of the brain.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: What's funny about this is that I posted my comment yesterday morning and it only showed up on the web site in the evening. It came through by mail yesterday morning. The NSA must be really busy these days. :-D Perhaps it depends on one's pedigree. Some folks I met during my time in TM apparently went to finishing schools and their gatherings were a bit snobbish if not uncomfortable. I would guess they would not feel comfortable at one of my anything goes table chats at Starbucks. What a funny concept, finishing schools are. I think you are dating yourself by bringing them up. Most people born after 1970 wouldn't know what you meant by that term. I am pretty sure no one currently at FFL ever went to one and as for pedigrees, those are for dogs and farm animals. On 02/12/2014 09:02 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote: I like to think of this place as if we are sitting around a table at Starbucks. First off, most folks at the table wouldn't get so wound up on assertions because they would know the asserter is just kidding them. And we would hope that before someone replied they didn't say, just a minute as they looked up something online on their phone or tablet. That would be a really bogged down conversation, hmm. :-D I would like to think if we were all sitting at Starbucks together we would have enough respect for each other that we would be willing to reveal enough of what is real and true about ourselves in a way that does not infringe, compromise or inappropriately offend others. It would also be nice to think that the parameters that bind us when we are together in person are not different from how we would conduct ourselves online. Many times I feel some take liberties via internet forums that they would not so readily adopt in person. Or, at least, I certainly hope they wouldn't adopt in 3D because some here need to learn some real manners. In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. On 02/12/2014 07:39 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] South Carolina Governor is Smart
nah - the mall or to church would be more my speed On Thu, 2/13/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] South Carolina Governor is Smart To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 8:40 PM On 2/13/2014 12:19 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: I can't wait till I can strap on my American Eagle 50 caliber and go strut around. You could go to the mall or a movie theater or an elementary school and strut around with the ammo belt around your neck. Yeah, that's the ticket!
Re: [FairfieldLife] South Carolina Governor is Smart
I'll pass that on to Gov. Nikki - I'm sure she'll appreciate it. On Thu, 2/13/14, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] South Carolina Governor is Smart To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 8:19 PM Hey MJ, Carrying loaded guns is not going to win the Superbowl and the support of Nature. You guys need to pass the bhong laws to win the Superbowl just like the State of Washington. If the people start smoking weed, then Shiva may bestow his blessings on you all. IMO, Peyton Manning should wear his hair in dreadlocks so that the Broncos can win the Superbowl next year.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Churning the Ocean of Milk
Martyboi, That's a good analogy. The venom, that the snake emitted during the churning of the ocean, could represent the stress being released in the person's brain during the practice of meditation. But somehow the stress release is cleansed by the Impulse of Intelligence represented by Shiva who drank the venom from the milk ocean. Thus, the sadhus of India drink hard liquor like whiskey as a form of worship to Shiva. So, one can probably use this story as an excuse for for drinking Jack Daniels or Chivas Regal at the local tavern. Using another tradition, Santos Bonacci lectures that the ark of the covenant actually represents the two halve's of the human brain. Thus, the sojourn of the Hebrews from Egypt to the land of Canaan represents the rise of the kundalini from the root chakra to the crown chakra.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: I wonder why Barry assumes I never met Robin. So Bhairitu, you think Barry is just kidding with this post? He seems awfully wound up to me. There's always tremendous negative energy behind his demonizations of Robin or Ann or me or others he doesn't like. It's as if he was fighting for his very survival, the poor guy. He isn't kidding, but he might as well be. He styles himself as the expert on Judy Stein, but in fact he knows nothing about me other than what I've said on FFL, and he even misrepresents that. Whenever he tries to guess, he gets it wrong. This post of his is no exception. Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person suffering from NPD makes it up as they go along? If that isn't a perfect description of Barry himself, I can't imagine what is. Even Xeno admitted that Barry doesn't care anything about being truthful or accurate, and that's certainly borne out by this post, as well as countless others that preceded it. I think your arms length comment kinda says it all, Steve. That's just what armchair seekers like Judy DO. They never actually DO anything much to further their own self discovery...they just read about other people's, and then argue about the stuff they think about it. One of the reasons that some of these armchair seekers purposefully keep from meeting the teachers they supposedly study with is that it's easier to preserve one's cherished fantasies about them if you've never met them. She did this with Maharishi, and she did it with Robin. She can continue to believe all the fantasies she's developed about both of them without fear of contradiction, because she's never exposed herself to the possibility of contradiction. Both of these guys -- or her impressions of them -- are tucked away in an elaborate fantasy cubbyhole in her mind, placed on a pedestal of honor there, and because she never has (or will) encounter the reality of them, she gets to call this fantasy truth. Anyone who disagrees with the fantasy is a liar. As has been pointed out here, Judy has arguably the *least* actual hands on spiritual experience of anyone on this forum. She's only done one short rounding course (which she, of course, considers long), she never became a teacher (and thus had to put other people's welfare ahead of her own), and she never met Maharishi. She never even met the Robin guy she claims to be the resident expert on. The only things she knows are the fantasies running around in her head. But to her those fantasies are so cherished and she *needs* them so much to keep on keepin' on that any challenge to them is perceived as a challenge to herself, her self, her very being. Challenging her idealized notions of Robin are (from her point of view) like attacking *her*, so of course she has to take them seriously. If anyone were to believe more objective points of view expressed here about the guy, they'd begin to challenge her posturing as the expert. And she simply cannot allow that. Barry you are such an outstandingly boring boor. Give us something to want to read about, step it up, man. You make me positively snooze with your same old, same old. Are you really this uninteresting? Is it possible anyone can find it fulfilling to continually write like you do about the things that you do? Are you really so bereft of originality and is your concern with making shit up about the same old person you have been obsessed with for all these years still your primary life's drive? Thank God you truly are a freak of nature. More than one of you per 100 square miles would be grounds for dropping some sort of nuclear warhead on the area. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy Excellent points. For most of us, it is just a chat room. A place to banter about. And so, it is sort of jarring when someone like Judy takes everything so seriously and personally. Like it squeezes most of the fun out of it. Of course you will never convince her of that. She views herself as the staunch upholder of truth and justice, and there is no battle too small for her to fight. Just like what she is going to say in response to this post. The internet age was made for her in some ways as it is easier to be friends with someone, or maintain an alliance when you can remain at arms length. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
I suggest you go to one of the community colleges you are always yapping about Richie and take a reading comprehension course. Obviously Sal said the TMO is exploiting the Indians to give THEMSELVES a better life - i.e. the TMO people get advantages by taking advantage of the Indians - he didn't mean the pundits were coming here to get a better life in that sentence On Thu, 2/13/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 8:21 PM LOL, is that what they're doing, getting an education? Well spun, you should work in the TM press office. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/13/2014 10:29 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I find the idea of keeping a bunch of foreigners as pets in the hope of giving yourselves a better life to be astoundingly offensive. There are probably a million foreign students living and working in the U.S. and in Canada. Around here, there are thousands of immigrants from India and Mexico. What would you have them do, leave their religion and their culture behind just because they want to get an education in the US? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
what education? The only thing they teach 'em is how to recite the vedas, a job that is shit in India unless you are one of the fat cats that run the places that hoodwink the dummy Americans, Canadians and Europeans to give them big money to chant for 'em to no avail, the ashram owners get the bucks and the pundits who do the actual chants get to eat. On Thu, 2/13/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 8:26 PM On 2/13/2014 10:52 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: if they would do some sort of profit sharing with the pundits You mean other than the cash stipend, the free room and board and the free education?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
I know one initiator whose wife has a lot of health problems - he has paid the Movement thousands for health yagyas - ain't done shit. On Thu, 2/13/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 8:27 PM You really are an utterly shameless apologist. Luckily everyone else can read and understand and don't have to rely on your delusions. I might just try and add up the amount of money that people that just I know have spent on prayers performed by your schoolboys. I'll need a big calculator though... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/13/2014 10:51 AM, geezerfreak@... wrote: Precisely! Follow the money people, follow the money ... He's dead, Geezer. What money?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Churning the Ocean of Milk
Like much of what Marshy said, its made up bullshit - that means that one can't have higher states of consciousness unless one has the magic juice produced in the belly - what you experience in awareness it not dependent on what you have in your stomach. It was one of Marshy's bullshit attempts to keep his pet scientists chasing red herrings so he could keep them doing bogus research to prove TM exists and works as advertised. I have had conversations with some of the men and women who grew up in the Movement - what many of them experienced was beyond the pale - I guess none of their parents had too much soma or they would have known their kids needed them at home instead of zoning out in the Domes. On Thu, 2/13/14, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Churning the Ocean of Milk To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 10:21 PM Richard, I believe MMY believed soma actually exist as a chemical in the stomach of advanced meditators. This chemical is the source of bliss that meditators experience as part of the meditation practice. As such, the meditators are favored by the demigods since they too are seeking for this soma or amrita, the food of the gods. He invited researchers to work on this to discover the chemical involved. But I don't know if this research was actually undertaken. David Frawley wrote about this aspect of soma in relation with meditation in a book he published a few years ago.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vedic Pandits Update #2
I have been searching the Internet and I have yet to find any news outlets retracting the story about the missing pundits, except for the Allvoices one referenced in the communique from Hagelin which I suspect was written by a TM'er - I mean what objective journalist would refer to a program he or she knows nothing about as a landmark program? On Thu, 2/13/14, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Vedic Pandits Update #2 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 4:11 PM Dear Supporter of the Maharishi Vedic Pandits,More than 30 Indian publications in the US and abroad have retracted the wildly inaccurate article about the Vedic Pandits that they had picked up from a Chicago Indian weekly. This has ranged from direct retractions (e.g., below), to publishing the detailed text of our responses, to new positive news articles about the Pandits.Dr. Prakash Shrivastava and Raja Bob LoPinto held 5 days of meetings with the Vedic Pandits at the Maharishi Vedic City campus, working with them about this situation, educating them about the consequences of Pandits going off on their own, and addressing any concerns the Pandits have. This is already having a positive effect. Some Pandits who had left the Chicago airport without returning to India have returned to Maharishi Vedic City and been given flights home. The vast majority of the Vedic Pandits are very dedicated to their program and happy with campus life. One special outcome of these on-campus meetings was identifying Pandits in Maharishi Vedic City who have been in the Movement for 20 years or more, and forming a council of these senior Pandits to give advice and guide the others.Again, thank you for your support for the Maharishi Vedic Pandit program and for all your kind responses to this current challenge. With this situation largely behind us, we are now working to bring more Pandits from India to replace those who are going home after completing their 2- or 3-year stays in the US. Jai Guru Dev,Raja John Hagelin
