[FairfieldLife] File - FFL Acronyms
BC - Brahman Consciousness BN - Bliss Ninny or Bliss Nazi CC - Cosmic Consciousness GC - God Consciousness MMY - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi OTP - Off the Program - a phrase used in the TM movement meaning to do something (such as see another spiritual teacher) considered in violation of Maharishi's program. POV - Point of View SBS - Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Maharishi's master SCI Science of Creative Intelligence SOC - State of Consciousness SSRS - Sri Sri Ravi Shankar (Pundit-ji) SV - Stpathya Ved (Vedic Architecture) TB - True Believer (in TM doctrines) TNB - True Non-Believer TMO - The Transcendental Meditation organization TTC TM Teacher Training Course UC - Unity Consciousness WYMS - World Youth Meditation Society later changed to World Youth Movement for the Science of Creative Intelligence was founded by Peter Hübner in Germany, as a national TM outlet competing with SIMS, Students International Meditation Society YMMV = Your Mileage may vary To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo Groups is subject to: https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness and/versus TM
That's the reason why headaches are widely reported after doing mindfulness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : When practicing mindfulness, for instance by watching the breath, one must remember to maintain attention on the chosen object of awareness, faithfully returning back to refocus on that object whenever the mind wanders away from it. Thus, mindfulness means not only, moment to moment awareness of present events, but also, remembering to be aware of something or to do something at a designated time in the future. In fact, the primary connotation of this Sanskrit term [smrti] (and its corresponding Pali term sati) is recollection. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindfulness http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindfulness On 5/30/2014 4:04 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Mindfulness, it is also that place like after you have thought a sutra or mantra and you are sitting as just quiet in samadhi in restful alertness. Resourcing Awake in Being, then pinging the system with some vibration of thought as the mantra or sutra and yet mindful as what comes out of Being. Mindfulness is built in to the TM-sidhis practice. It is not just mental repetition or thinking. It is the the wonderfully set up collision of Dharna, dhyan, and samadhi. Very much part of proper practice of TM is sitting there with no mantra and no thought. When Buddhistic practices are crossed with transcending it is mindfulness as wakefulness in process and 'mindfulness' becomes the colloquial word for it. TM'ers it seems often willfully misunderstand or misinterpret the word to stick it in the Eye of buddhists. But, like practicing the Sidhis, it is something you do within Being and the physiology. A lot like the Ved and Physiology mindful practice within TM. As Guru Dev said, japa alone is just reciting a mantra, add dhyan it is meditative practice. That is TM. That is mindfulness well done. That is what Guru Dev taught. It is being mindful in process and not just falling asleep or just some thinking. It is really quite beautiful. Maharishi packaged it very elegantly as TM and the advanced techniques, if you use them. They are things people should do, mindfully. Certainly people everywhere should at least take more quiet time and be more mindful that way too. Spiritual practice is something one does. 'Mindfulness' is a good catch-all for that. - Buck anartaxius writes: === SHARELONG60 WROTE: Ann, thanks so much for posting this. Mindfulness sounds exhausting to me! All that continual manipulation of attention! Plus Kabat-Zinn himself says that all the contents of attention are fleeting. So why bother to focus on them?! Just let attention go where it goes naturally, to a field of greatest happiness. === FLEETWOOD_MACANDCHESE WROTE: As I have expressed before, I am not a big fan of mindfulness, as a meditation practice, on its own, eyes open, or closed, because to my way of thinking, it puts the cart before the horse. However, I can see the strong value in having a spiritual teacher that a person actually has a personal relationship with, combined with mindfulness. That way, the teacher is functioning, much like the correct use of the mantra, in TM - bringing the student to subtler levels and experiences, without the student having a say, in where they want to go (aka, take it easy, take it as it comes). Breaks boundaries, quickly. Seems to me, that the advantage, of a personal relationship, with a spiritual teacher, combined with mindfulness, if done right, would be big, dramatic breakthroughs, in many, many areas - much faster, than the gradual 'erosion' of the mantra - though possible not as comprehensive, either...Both of the Barrys have mentioned significant interactions, as a result of, both, their attention, or mindfulness, on where the guru was pointing, in addition to the strength of the experience, itself, as a result of the guru's proximity. === BHAIRITU WROTE: Mindfulness is just another door to the same room. === I learned both mindfulness and TM. I only practised mindfulness for a short time until recently. There seems to be various styles of meditation called mindfulness. What I learned long ago was not difficult conceptually or exhausting, but thoughts seemed to be a problem for me then. In some mindfulness systems the attention one pays to various things is no greater than one pays attention to coming back to the mantra in TM, so it is not intrinsically difficult or tiring, or effortful, so the characterisation of mindfulness being concentration is not necessarily correct. Fleetwood_MacandCheese's comments above here I think are pretty good. Eyes open mindfulness is primarily to prevent visual hallucinations. Eyes closed mindfulness is more pleasant. It is well known that sensory deprivation results in hallucinations.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness and/versus TM
And suicides and attempted suicides and various psychotic episodes associated with TM - I'll take mindfulness any day. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness and/versus TM That's the reason why headaches are widely reported after doing mindfulness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : When practicing mindfulness, for instance by watching the breath, one must remember to maintain attention on the chosen object of awareness, faithfully returning back to refocus on that object whenever the mind wanders away from it. Thus, mindfulness means not only, moment to moment awareness of present events, but also, remembering to be aware of something or to do something at a designated time in the future. In fact, the primary connotation of this Sanskrit term [smrti] (and its corresponding Pali term sati) is recollection. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindfulness On 5/30/2014 4:04 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Mindfulness, it is also that place like after you have thought a sutra or mantra and you are sitting as just quiet in samadhi in restful alertness. Resourcing Awake in Being, then pinging the system with some vibration of thought as the mantra or sutra and yet mindful as what comes out of Being. Mindfulness is built in to the TM-sidhis practice. It is not just mental repetition or thinking. It is the the wonderfully set up collision of Dharna, dhyan, and samadhi. Very much part of proper practice of TM is sitting there with no mantra and no thought. When Buddhistic practices are crossed with transcending it is mindfulness as wakefulness in process and 'mindfulness' becomes the colloquial word for it. TM'ers it seems often willfully misunderstand or misinterpret the word to stick it in the Eye of buddhists. But, like practicing the Sidhis, it is something you do within Being and the physiology. A lot like the Ved and Physiology mindful practice within TM. As Guru Dev said, japa alone is just reciting a mantra, add dhyan it is meditative practice. That is TM. That is mindfulness well done. That is what Guru Dev taught. It is being mindful in process and not just falling asleep or just some thinking. It is really quite beautiful. Maharishi packaged it very elegantly as TM and the advanced techniques, if you use them. They are things people should do, mindfully. Certainly people everywhere should at least take more quiet time and be more mindful that way too. Spiritual practice is something one does. 'Mindfulness' is a good catch-all for that. - Buck anartaxius writes: === SHARELONG60 WROTE: Ann, thanks so much for posting this. Mindfulness sounds exhausting to me! All that continual manipulation of attention! Plus Kabat-Zinn himself says that all the contents of attention are fleeting. So why bother to focus on them?! Just let attention go where it goes naturally, to a field of greatest happiness. === FLEETWOOD_MACANDCHESE WROTE: As I have expressed before, I am not a big fan of mindfulness, as a meditation practice, on its own, eyes open, or closed, because to my way of thinking, it puts the cart before the horse. However, I can see the strong value in having a spiritual teacher that a person actually has a personal relationship with, combined with mindfulness. That way, the teacher is functioning, much like the correct use of the mantra, in TM - bringing the student to subtler levels and experiences, without the student having a say, in where they want to go (aka, take it easy, take it as it comes). Breaks boundaries, quickly. Seems to me, that the advantage, of a personal relationship, with a spiritual teacher, combined with mindfulness, if done right, would be big, dramatic breakthroughs, in many, many areas - much faster, than the gradual 'erosion' of the mantra - though possible not as comprehensive, either...Both of the Barrys have mentioned significant interactions, as a result of, both, their attention, or mindfulness, on where the guru was pointing, in addition to the strength of the experience, itself, as a result of the guru's proximity. === BHAIRITU WROTE: Mindfulness is just another door to the same room. === I learned both mindfulness and TM. I only practised mindfulness for a short time until recently. There seems to be various styles of meditation called mindfulness. What I learned long ago was not difficult conceptually or exhausting, but thoughts seemed to be a problem for me then. In some mindfulness systems the attention one pays to various things is no greater than one pays attention to coming back to the mantra in TM, so it is not intrinsically difficult or tiring, or effortful, so the characterisation of mindfulness being concentration is not necessarily correct. Fleetwood_MacandCheese's comments above here I think are pretty good. Eyes open
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lurking and Researching ..FairfieldLife at Yahoo [ FFL ]
. . Om the FFL 'message history', On the FFL main web page the 'message history' archive matrix that is organized by month and year is working again better now in this new yahoo-neo world. It reports in slim mode and you can scroll down through a month. Would be nice too if you could navigate back up through posts to the preceding month. This is a great way to find the areas where threads were discussed in a way that the neo search function does not really facilitate for in browsing. Like for instance, when Maharishi passed away in 'February- 2008'. One can now go quickly forward through a few days from Feb 1 to the area where posts announcing his death surface. There are some very poignant posts recorded there for quite a while. Even the first couple hundred posts made to FFL back in Sept and October 2001 are interesting to see for trend-lines then. Then also, one can use an index to FFL to find subjects and locate an approximate month to search. 'Drill baby, drill'. There are a lot of nuggets amongst the dross. -Buck The old FFL index still sort of works with Neo. Yahoo- groups truncates now-adays at 64K but this link to the old index seems in tack still. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/352508 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/352508 As Authfriend points out, You can 'right click' over links and open in a 'new tab' and still come back to the index without losing your place. One workaround is if you find a message you want to read on the list of search hits, instead of left-clicking on the link to the message to open it directly, right-click on it, then click Open in New Tab (this is in Windows 7 using Chrome; not sure if there's a Mac equivalent, but as I recall IE had a similar option). Read the message in the new tab, and close or save it or whatever when you're done. You'll then be back in the list you were perusing and still be where you were instead of being thrown back to the beginning. Within 'messages' on the FFL page I find typing in a word to search in to the box at the top of the page starts something as a search. Then that gets you the opportunity for, “advanced search” that comes with the results of the first search. Once you get going that can narrow down. But each time it kicks you back out to square one. Neo is quite miserable. Any other suggestions to lurkers to help with searches? [Right click and open links in a new tab which then allows you to come right back to your search results.] -Buck .
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lurking and Researching ..FairfieldLife at Yahoo [ FFL ]
Another more or less useful feature: At the bottom of each post, there's a link that says Show all [XXX] messages on this topic. If you click on it, that's what you'll get, a list of each post in the thread, all the way back to its beginning. It'll show you the first post to start with; scroll down for the list of the rest of the posts. Click on any of them for the full post. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : . . Om the FFL 'message history', On the FFL main web page the 'message history' archive matrix that is organized by month and year is working again better now in this new yahoo-neo world. It reports in slim mode and you can scroll down through a month. Would be nice too if you could navigate back up through posts to the preceding month. This is a great way to find the areas where threads were discussed in a way that the neo search function does not really facilitate for in browsing. Like for instance, when Maharishi passed away in 'February- 2008'. One can now go quickly forward through a few days from Feb 1 to the area where posts announcing his death surface. There are some very poignant posts recorded there for quite a while. Even the first couple hundred posts made to FFL back in Sept and October 2001 are interesting to see for trend-lines then. Then also, one can use an index to FFL to find subjects and locate an approximate month to search. 'Drill baby, drill'. There are a lot of nuggets amongst the dross. -Buck The old FFL index still sort of works with Neo. Yahoo- groups truncates now-adays at 64K but this link to the old index seems in tack still. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/352508 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/352508 As Authfriend points out, You can 'right click' over links and open in a 'new tab' and still come back to the index without losing your place. One workaround is if you find a message you want to read on the list of search hits, instead of left-clicking on the link to the message to open it directly, right-click on it, then click Open in New Tab (this is in Windows 7 using Chrome; not sure if there's a Mac equivalent, but as I recall IE had a similar option). Read the message in the new tab, and close or save it or whatever when you're done. You'll then be back in the list you were perusing and still be where you were instead of being thrown back to the beginning. Within 'messages' on the FFL page I find typing in a word to search in to the box at the top of the page starts something as a search. Then that gets you the opportunity for, “advanced search” that comes with the results of the first search. Once you get going that can narrow down. But each time it kicks you back out to square one. Neo is quite miserable. Any other suggestions to lurkers to help with searches? [Right click and open links in a new tab which then allows you to come right back to your search results.] -Buck .
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bevan and Sainthood
Well, Bevan does have a long war record. Bevan seems more like 'an old general' who will not fade away, when one looks at the record. Ypres. For people researching lurking from outside looking in on the personalities of the people inside TM now, FFL post [377120] can be useful for some perspective between the two characteristic sides of TM: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/377120 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/377120 At this point Bevan, it would seem, is keeping himself circumstantially at the lecturer-teacher level in his primary role to preserve and perpetuate Maharishi's teaching and movement as Bevan sees it and also is attending to help wrangle and secure Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaaraam Dr. Tony Nader in authority as head of all TM. Bevan has always been a strong leader that way for Maharishi, sort of like Joe Stalin was a strong leader. That is as legacy of his own and Maharishi's making and may be different than what is otherwise seen as spiritual, charismatic or saintliness. At a best Bevan seems a brave, formidable and loyal soldier. A dirty and ruthless fighter too. Classically there can be a lot to admire in the guy that way, -Buck Bevan? He is different than the other guys around him at that echelon, he seems sort of like an Australian version of Don Corleone. Bevan is a character extremely interesting in the TM story. Maharishi did not designate him 'Guru', everyone else at that level are administrators or 'Raja' though Bevan is 'Prime Minister' over it all. He is clearly the most powerful person and largest elephant in the room. Maharishi used him that way for 40 years. Bevan has presided over all that is TM with Maharishi as Maharishi's confidant and right hand for that long. As such he has also presided over the whole long decline from other times of height of what it once was as Bevan came in to control to some lows of what it is now. So, Bevan is not a 'guru', not an administrator like everyone else, he is Prime Minister, is he a saint? One should go back to the scholarly consideration of that. In what way is he spiritually transforming, or spiritually 'charismatic'? He is teacher-ly and in control but what is his 'field effect' that he carries with him? Fear or charisma on a scale of 'spiritual'? Spiritual-charisma? Defining Charismatic, spiritually: charismatic .. . Weber, in an oft quoted passage, defined charisma as a certain quality of an individual personality, by virtue of which [s/]he is set apart from ordinary [people] and treated as endowed with supernatural, superhuman, or at least specifically exceptional powers or qualities. These are such as are not accessible to the ordinary person, but are regarded as of divine origin or as exemplary, and on the basis of them the individual concerned is treated as a leader. 1 Introduction: “.. .New religions as first-generation religions, whether a new orthodox Christian movement such as eighteenth century Methodism or a new Hindu group built around a recently arrived guru, share many characteristics. During the first generation, the founder, whose new ideas led to the formation of the group, places a definitive stamp upon it. The first members are self-selected because of their initial confidence in the the leader and/or their agreement with the leader's program. The first generation is also a time of experimentation and rapid change. The leader must discover the right elements to combine in a workable program, generate solutions to unexpected obstacles, choose and train capable leaders, and elaborate upon the initial ideas or vision that motivated the founding of the group in order to create a more complete theology. The group formally or informally gives feed back in the form of approval or disapproval of the leader's actions. The most successful leaders are continually adjusting and reacting to the feedback.” When Prophets Die The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements Edited by Timothy Miller Introduction by J. Gordon Melton nablusoss1008 asks: Dear Buck, with your knowledge of inter-religions and insight into modern faiths and traditions, what great Saint, in your opinion, does our dear Bevan resemble as he blesses (with folded hands) the students upon the arrival for the ceremony ? Comedian Jim Carrey Funny, Heartfelt Commencement Address at Maharishi University http://www.soderetube.com/watch.php?vid=22ec9164c mjackson74 writes: Jabba the Hut, with about as much integrity. .
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lurking and Researching ..FairfieldLife at Yahoo [ FFL ]
Note: If the list is long, it won't show you the complete list at first; there'll be another link at the bottom that says [XXX] more messages. To get the entire list, you'll have to click on each one of those links. Also, as far as I can tell, there's no way to get back directly to the current message list from the list of posts in the thread you're researching. If you click the left-pointing arrow at the top on the left, it will take you to the Topics list; you'll then have to click the Messages heading to return to the current list. You'll probably need to play around with this feature to see how it works. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Another more or less useful feature: At the bottom of each post, there's a link that says Show all [XXX] messages on this topic. If you click on it, that's what you'll get, a list of each post in the thread, all the way back to its beginning. It'll show you the first post to start with; scroll down for the list of the rest of the posts. Click on any of them for the full post. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : . . Om the FFL 'message history', On the FFL main web page the 'message history' archive matrix that is organized by month and year is working again better now in this new yahoo-neo world. It reports in slim mode and you can scroll down through a month. Would be nice too if you could navigate back up through posts to the preceding month. This is a great way to find the areas where threads were discussed in a way that the neo search function does not really facilitate for in browsing. Like for instance, when Maharishi passed away in 'February- 2008'. One can now go quickly forward through a few days from Feb 1 to the area where posts announcing his death surface. There are some very poignant posts recorded there for quite a while. Even the first couple hundred posts made to FFL back in Sept and October 2001 are interesting to see for trend-lines then. Then also, one can use an index to FFL to find subjects and locate an approximate month to search. 'Drill baby, drill'. There are a lot of nuggets amongst the dross. -Buck The old FFL index still sort of works with Neo. Yahoo- groups truncates now-adays at 64K but this link to the old index seems in tack still. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/352508 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/352508 As Authfriend points out, You can 'right click' over links and open in a 'new tab' and still come back to the index without losing your place. One workaround is if you find a message you want to read on the list of search hits, instead of left-clicking on the link to the message to open it directly, right-click on it, then click Open in New Tab (this is in Windows 7 using Chrome; not sure if there's a Mac equivalent, but as I recall IE had a similar option). Read the message in the new tab, and close or save it or whatever when you're done. You'll then be back in the list you were perusing and still be where you were instead of being thrown back to the beginning. Within 'messages' on the FFL page I find typing in a word to search in to the box at the top of the page starts something as a search. Then that gets you the opportunity for, “advanced search” that comes with the results of the first search. Once you get going that can narrow down. But each time it kicks you back out to square one. Neo is quite miserable. Any other suggestions to lurkers to help with searches? [Right click and open links in a new tab which then allows you to come right back to your search results.] -Buck .
[FairfieldLife] Facing fears, and killing the Buddha
I was remembering back to the summer of 1980, I had just received my siddhis, and completed my year commitment to get them, at the awkwardly named, Kansas City Capital Of The Age Of Enlightenment. A friend of mine, a fellow sidha plebe, invited me to Santa Barbara, and I went down there, via Eugene, Oregon. About facing fears, I was 26, and I had always loved dancing, but not dating - So, I had really not danced in a public setting, much. Plus, I was coming off a year of monk-lite. Anyway, I remember that summer I decided I would dance as much as I wanted, and used to just get out onto the dance floor if I liked the music, and go for it - a regular napoleon dynamite. :-) Fear is really useful, when protecting the physical body - That adrenaline shot, that lets us know, that bodily harm, or extinction, is suddenly possible. A critical tool to have - fear - but it looks like we abuse it, to protect a lot of ourselves, that doesn't need protecting. Fear was never meant to limit our choices, if physical danger is absent, yet it is used constantly to do that. The ego, the identity, is not part of the physical body, and yet we treat it as if it is. Interestingly, fear, if entertained long enough will take on a life of its own. The ego actually imbues the fear of a particular object, with a personality, with attributes. The ego does this to protect itself, so that it can justify not facing the fear - In effect, saying to itself, Face THAT?! What? Are you NUTS?!. The ego continues, saying to itself, Don't you realize, that if you face THAT, you may cease to exist!. Misusing fear, to protect the ego. All these subtle messages, these fears, then become associated with an external object, a behavior, a person, or vast multiples of all three, and are justifiably never faced, leading to a life of limitations.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness and/versus TM
LOL! Yes, too much internal television, leading to eyestrain, and headaches. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's the reason why headaches are widely reported after doing mindfulness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : When practicing mindfulness, for instance by watching the breath, one must remember to maintain attention on the chosen object of awareness, faithfully returning back to refocus on that object whenever the mind wanders away from it. Thus, mindfulness means not only, moment to moment awareness of present events, but also, remembering to be aware of something or to do something at a designated time in the future. In fact, the primary connotation of this Sanskrit term [smrti] (and its corresponding Pali term sati) is recollection. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindfulness http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindfulness On 5/30/2014 4:04 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Mindfulness, it is also that place like after you have thought a sutra or mantra and you are sitting as just quiet in samadhi in restful alertness. Resourcing Awake in Being, then pinging the system with some vibration of thought as the mantra or sutra and yet mindful as what comes out of Being. Mindfulness is built in to the TM-sidhis practice. It is not just mental repetition or thinking. It is the the wonderfully set up collision of Dharna, dhyan, and samadhi. Very much part of proper practice of TM is sitting there with no mantra and no thought. When Buddhistic practices are crossed with transcending it is mindfulness as wakefulness in process and 'mindfulness' becomes the colloquial word for it. TM'ers it seems often willfully misunderstand or misinterpret the word to stick it in the Eye of buddhists. But, like practicing the Sidhis, it is something you do within Being and the physiology. A lot like the Ved and Physiology mindful practice within TM. As Guru Dev said, japa alone is just reciting a mantra, add dhyan it is meditative practice. That is TM. That is mindfulness well done. That is what Guru Dev taught. It is being mindful in process and not just falling asleep or just some thinking. It is really quite beautiful. Maharishi packaged it very elegantly as TM and the advanced techniques, if you use them. They are things people should do, mindfully. Certainly people everywhere should at least take more quiet time and be more mindful that way too. Spiritual practice is something one does. 'Mindfulness' is a good catch-all for that. - Buck anartaxius writes: === SHARELONG60 WROTE: Ann, thanks so much for posting this. Mindfulness sounds exhausting to me! All that continual manipulation of attention! Plus Kabat-Zinn himself says that all the contents of attention are fleeting. So why bother to focus on them?! Just let attention go where it goes naturally, to a field of greatest happiness. === FLEETWOOD_MACANDCHESE WROTE: As I have expressed before, I am not a big fan of mindfulness, as a meditation practice, on its own, eyes open, or closed, because to my way of thinking, it puts the cart before the horse. However, I can see the strong value in having a spiritual teacher that a person actually has a personal relationship with, combined with mindfulness. That way, the teacher is functioning, much like the correct use of the mantra, in TM - bringing the student to subtler levels and experiences, without the student having a say, in where they want to go (aka, take it easy, take it as it comes). Breaks boundaries, quickly. Seems to me, that the advantage, of a personal relationship, with a spiritual teacher, combined with mindfulness, if done right, would be big, dramatic breakthroughs, in many, many areas - much faster, than the gradual 'erosion' of the mantra - though possible not as comprehensive, either...Both of the Barrys have mentioned significant interactions, as a result of, both, their attention, or mindfulness, on where the guru was pointing, in addition to the strength of the experience, itself, as a result of the guru's proximity. === BHAIRITU WROTE: Mindfulness is just another door to the same room. === I learned both mindfulness and TM. I only practised mindfulness for a short time until recently. There seems to be various styles of meditation called mindfulness. What I learned long ago was not difficult conceptually or exhausting, but thoughts seemed to be a problem for me then. In some mindfulness systems the attention one pays to various things is no greater than one pays attention to coming back to the mantra in TM, so it is not intrinsically difficult or tiring, or effortful, so the characterisation of mindfulness being concentration is not necessarily correct. Fleetwood_MacandCheese's comments above here I think are pretty good. Eyes open mindfulness is primarily to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness and/versus TM
For the record, my bet is that neither the Jim-bot nor the Nabby-bot have *ever* in their lives learned or practiced any form of mindfulness meditation, as taught by a reputable teacher. Neither of them, in fact, seems even capable of distinguishing mindfulness from forms of concentration meditation that they heard described by Maharishi and his parrot TM teachers as potentially causing headaches. First, having practiced both real mindfulness and concentration techniques, I can assure you (as has Anartaxius) that they are not the same thing. Second, having practiced them alongside many others practicing the same techniques, I've never heard a single person complain of headaches. Not one. No one I ever asked had ever heard of anyone complaining of headaches. Maharishi just made that shit up about concentration, and Nabby just made it up about mindfulness. Third, this is yet another example of TMers badrapping techniques *they have never learned or practiced* in an attempt to portray TM as better than something *they know nothing about*. How pathetic. Don't they ever get tired of demonstrating how insecure they are? From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com LOL! Yes, too much internal television, leading to eyestrain, and headaches. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's the reason why headaches are widely reported after doing mindfulness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : When practicing mindfulness, for instance by watching the breath, one must remember to maintain attention on the chosen object of awareness, faithfully returning back to refocus on that object whenever the mind wanders away from it. Thus, mindfulness means not only, moment to moment awareness of present events, but also, remembering to be aware of something or to do something at a designated time in the future. In fact, the primary connotation of this Sanskrit term [smrti] (and its corresponding Pali term sati) is recollection. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindfulness On 5/30/2014 4:04 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Mindfulness, it is also that place like after you have thought a sutra or mantra and you are sitting as just quiet in samadhi in restful alertness. Resourcing Awake in Being, then pinging the system with some vibration of thought as the mantra or sutra and yet mindful as what comes out of Being. Mindfulness is built in to the TM-sidhis practice. It is not just mental repetition or thinking. It is the the wonderfully set up collision of Dharna, dhyan, and samadhi. Very much part of proper practice of TM is sitting there with no mantra and no thought. When Buddhistic practices are crossed with transcending it is mindfulness as wakefulness in process and 'mindfulness' becomes the colloquial word for it. TM'ers it seems often willfully misunderstand or misinterpret the word to stick it in the Eye of buddhists. But, like practicing the Sidhis, it is something you do within Being and the physiology. A lot like the Ved and Physiology mindful practice within TM. As Guru Dev said, japa alone is just reciting a mantra, add dhyan it is meditative practice. That is TM. That is mindfulness well done. That is what Guru Dev taught. It is being mindful in process and not just falling asleep or just some thinking. It is really quite beautiful. Maharishi packaged it very elegantly as TM and the advanced techniques, if you use them. They are things people should do, mindfully. Certainly people everywhere should at least take more quiet time and be more mindful that way too. Spiritual practice is something one does. 'Mindfulness' is a good catch-all for that. - Buck anartaxius writes: === SHARELONG60 WROTE: Ann, thanks so much for posting this. Mindfulness sounds exhausting to me! All that continual manipulation of attention! Plus Kabat-Zinn himself says that all the contents of attention are fleeting. So why bother to focus on them?! Just let attention go where it goes naturally, to a field of greatest happiness. === FLEETWOOD_MACANDCHESE WROTE: As I have expressed before, I am not a big fan of mindfulness, as a meditation practice, on its own, eyes open, or closed, because to my way of thinking, it puts the cart before the horse. However, I can see the strong value in having a spiritual teacher that a person actually has a personal relationship with, combined with mindfulness. That way, the teacher is functioning, much like the correct use of the mantra, in TM - bringing the student to subtler levels and experiences, without the student having a say, in where they want to go (aka, take it easy, take it as it comes). Breaks boundaries, quickly. Seems to me, that the advantage, of a personal relationship, with a spiritual teacher, combined with mindfulness, if done right, would be big, dramatic breakthroughs, in many, many areas - much
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Quaker Meditators in Fairfield, Iowa
. . The group meditations in Fairfield, Iowa were long, large and twice daily then. As the transcendental meditators generally arrived in Fairfield, Iowa during the mid and late 1970's and throughout the 1980's the Fairfield group meditations then were large and inclusive of the whole TM meditating community. The group meditations once facilitated in the 1980's by the TM organization were long, large and twice daily attended. Initially there was not need to have distinct Quaker meetings for worship separate from the long hours of the much larger corporate enterprise as the TM group meditations were facilitated in Fairfield, Iowa. Only very occasionally would the meditator-Quakers meet of their own being in Quaker Meeting as they were certainly in discipline as peace-activists otherwise in the long group meditations as meetings for worship as Quakers could recognized themselves within the TM group. It was only after some years when TM administration of the Dome meditation became exclusionary and the size of the Dome meditations declined that meditating-Quakers of Fairfield also added in a turning back to their own meditation schedule a Quaker Meeting to fill a vacuum created by communal purgings and depletion then of what had been the larger TM Dome meditation community. Since that time of the declines in the TM Dome meditation of the 1990's and 00's in Fairfield there has been sustained a regular schedule of old silent Quaker Meetings kept in an addition as their own Quaker's refuge of inclusive communal spirituality. Quaker Meeting for Worship, 17th Century. Entering into this form of worship. . “… the first that enters into the place of your meeting, be not careless, nor wander up and down either in body or mind, but innocently sit down in some place and turn in thy mind to the Light, and wait upon God (The Unified Field Transcendent) simply, as if none were present but the Lord, and here thou art strong. When the next that come in, let them in simplicity and heart sit down and turn to the same Light, and wait in the Spirit, and so all the rest coming in fear of the Lord sit down in pure stillness and silence of all flesh, and wait in the Light. A few that are thus gathered by the arm of the Lord into the unity of the Spirit, this is a sweet and precious meeting in which all are met with the Lord…. Those who are brought to a pure, still waiting on God in the Spirit are come nearer to God than words are… though not a word be spoken to the hearing of the ear. In such a meeting where the presence and power of God is felt, there will be an unwillingness to part asunder, being ready to say in yourselves, it is good to be here, and this is the end of all words and writings, to bring people to the eternal living word.” -1660 -Alexander Parker, Letters of Early Friends, ed. A.R. Barclay (London; Darton and Harvey, 1841), pp. 365-66. Alexander Parker was a close companion of George Fox. There is a principle which is pure, placed in the human mind, which in different places and ages hath had different names. It is, however, pure and proceeds from God (the Unified Field). It is deep and inward, confined to no forms of religion nor excluded from any, where the heart stands in perfect sincerity. In whomsoever this takes root and grows, of what nation soever, they become brethren. -John Woolman, Quaker 20th Century Quakers coming to Fairfield, Iowa in a form of spiritual direct-action peace-activism as re-enforcement joining with the large group meditations facilitated by Transcendental Meditation(TM) in Fairfield held a natural affinity to Quakers. To come as re-enforcement to the enterprise of what was identified then as the spiritual Meissner Effect (ME) of group consciousness had a recognized legitimacy to spiritual Quakerism. That corporate group spirituality is a Quaker practice that particularly attracted a number of old Quakers in to the TM movement early on. Initially upon coming to Fairfield, Iowa to re-enforce the aggregate numbers in meditation the old-style Quakers joined in alongside the TM meditations; as when in Rome do as the Romans do. This history in context now becomes an additional chapter in The Quakers of Iowa. See: http://iagenweb.org/history/qoi/QOITOC.htm http://iagenweb.org/history/qoi/QOITOC.htm The Quakers of Iowa A history of the Quaker settlement of Iowa including the nature of the under ground rail road in 19th Century Iowa. Written by Louis T. Jones, 1914 http://iagenweb.org/history/qoi/QOITOC.htm For sometime, the transcending meditation group practices of Quakers as the Society of Friends was a dominant spiritual practice in the settlement and cultivation of America and as so often has happened with Knowledge in sequence of time the now ancient silent transcendental Quaker practice fell crashing upon shoals of spiritually ignorant ideologies and the primitive
[FairfieldLife] Re: Qualities of the Unified Field
. . “It’s like watering the root and enlivening the nourishment, the sap. And the sap permeates all the fields of the tree—branches, leaves, flowers—and nourishes them.” “This in physics is called a “field effect.” The field effect is produced from the unified field of natural law. It nourishes all the laws of nature which emerge from the unified field and conduct all activity in nature.” -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi The Unified Field I go among trees and sit still, All my stirring becomes quiet around me like circles on water. -Wendell Berry All Possibilities Freedom Unboundedness Self-Sufficiency Bliss Integrating Self-Referral Invincibility Perfect Balance Fully Awake Within Itself Total Potential of Natural Law Unmanifest Simplicity Harmonizing Infinite Correlation Infinite Silence Pure Knowledge Infinite Organizing Power Perfect Orderliness Infinite Creativity Purifying Immortality Nourishing Evolutionary Omnipresence Ominiscience Ominipotence Bountiful Discriminating Infinite Dynamism .
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
“The younger generation grew restive, however, and demanding personal freedom and individual ownership of property. In 1898 the [Zoar] Society was disbanded and property divided up among the members.” The Zoarites of Zoar, Ohio they got in a lot of trouble for being spiritually outside the box of the Christian Churches in those days back in old Europe. They came to America with help of other separatists like Quakers in those days to be able to pursue their spiritual practices more freely in the New World. Like the Quakers, Harmonists, the inspirationists at Amana, and Shakers they met in Meeting houses and not churches for group meditation and their programs. Satsanga. Zoar and the Zoarites : “These German “Come Outers” [separatists] were for the most part mystics who had read the writings of Jacob Boehm, Gerhard Terstegen, and Jung Stilling; they cherished different religious or doctrinal beliefs, were stigmatized as fanatics, but were usually , I judge, simple-hearted, pious people, desirous to lead a more spiritual life than the found in the churches.” -Nordoff, The Communistic Societies of the United States (1794-1875) Published 1875 Like in Fairfield it [satsang] starts as small living room satsanga or meetings in home or in the public community meeting rooms with a teacher, mystic or visiting saint. Friends in meetings. Occasionally it goes straight to a big space like Adyashanti coming to the Fairfield convention center once. But Satsanga certainly lives and thrives in an old fashion too under the radar where necessary in meditating Fairfield, just like in history. It's part of the story. Interesting that so many of these spiritual groups that developed historically had commonly started out around a mystic in meetings held in people's living rooms then going on towards facilitating around that in to organizations and becoming a history. In Europe they would have living room meetings [satsanga?] and then grow in to facilitating groups while defending themselves against the persecutions that would come from the established local orthodoxy, be that the Lutherans, Papists, or Anglicans of their day. Then, eventually fleeing to America. Thanks. Yes, the world could use a lot more piety. FFL could too. -Buck the Pious Nicely put. It reminds me of something I wanted to say about awoelflebater's post on another thread (power naps): Now, these long-term, incessant meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes.: We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm! [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ] TM and Quietist Pietistic [meditating] Fairfield, Iowa in companion as with other historic places like for instance on the Registry of National Historic Places, organized here A to Z.. Other Meissner Effect [ME] group meditators... Amana Colonies Long Meissner Effect group meditations every day. http://amanacolonies.com/pages/about-amana-colonies/history.php http://amanacolonies.com/pages/about-amana-colonies/history.php Brook Farm http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/dcr/parks/boston/brookfarmbrochure.pdf http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/dcr/parks/boston/brookfarmbrochure.pdf Pleasant Hill, Half hour silent meditation twice a day and daily group Meissner Effect [ME] meditations http://www.shakervillageky.org/ http://www.shakervillageky.org/ Whittier, Iowa Hicksite Quakers, National Registry of Historic Places; Settlement era Iowa Meissner Effect [ME] Group Meditation: https://sites.google.com/site/ffhamfampage/clients/whittier-quaker-meeting-house https://sites.google.com/site/ffhamfampage/clients/whittier-quaker-meeting-house Zoar http://www.ohiohistory.org/museums-and-historic-sites/museum--historic-sites-by-name/zoar-village http://www.ohiohistory.org/museums-and-historic-sites/museum--historic-sites-by-name/zoar-village [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ] In a coming future, meditating Fairfield, Iowa very likely shall also come to be on the National Registry of Historic Places along with other important spiritual practice communities of American and Western history. Going forward
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana
On 5/31/2014 7:13 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: Sorry Lawson, but I put in years of study about this with very real teachers plus I also learned to teach TM. You did not and are just making shit up. I understand you want the home team to win but this ain't a ballgame. Apparently I am the only informant on this list that has completed a course in Buddhist Vipassana, except for maybe Vaj. Correct me if I am wrong. The course I took was conducted by the Trungpa Tulku. This is probably a double-mirror, I don't know, but apparently Chogyam Trungpa was in Sante Fe for a single week-end and never returned after 1978. He spent more time in bed up in Boulder, CO., than just about anywhere else, including Sante Fe. Chogyam Trungpa visited Austin, Texas on two occasions, at which time Trungpa founded the local Shambhala Training Center, and he never returned after that. Go figure. Tibet to Texas: A Grass Roots History of the Karma Kagya Buddhism in the Lonestar State: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/tibet.htm --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
[FairfieldLife] Where We Went
Yesterday, we went to this place:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Now Playing
In a Gadda Da Vida - Iron Butterfly http://youtu.be/ZCkHanF4v1w On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Simply Irresistible - Robert Palmer - Live extended mix http://youtu.be/ou9zoChYBQs 33 1/3 vinyl LP, Technics SL-1200 MK2 Direct Drive Quartz Turntable System On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On the Road Again - Willie Nelson http://youtu.be/1TD_pSeNelU On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Bo Diddley If you ask me I'd say that there is nothing, just absolutely nothing, that you can do in your whole entire lifetime that will top the level of cool that Bo Diddley hit in this performance back in 1965. - Jason McHenry Bo Diddley- Live Performance http://youtu.be/IMZjAOoX6nw Bo Diddley - 1955 45 RPM recording http://youtu.be/8XxGUIbYjmY You Can't Judge a Book by the Cover http://youtu.be/Lch0o4wwGyw One of the founders, if not the founder of rock 'n roll, Bo Diddley invented the rock signature beat, a simple five-accent clave driving rhythm. Hard edge electric guitar - one of the corner stones of rock. In 2004, Rolling Stone ranked him No. 20 on their list of the 100 Greatest Artists of All Time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Diddley
[FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story
I was talking to my Kentucky friend Bob the other day. Bob was MIU for eight years total, as a student for most of them, but he worked on staff from time to time. This is what he told me. Yeah I was there during the Robin Carlsen years. I went to see him once, just once, out of curiosity really. And it was interesting, but he was kinda strange I thought. He was kinda strange. Now one thing, he did have some energy, no question about it. He looked directly in my eyes and man I felt like he was peering into all the deep dark stuff that was in there, you know? But he was really kinda strange, and from what I could see of his stuff, well he was doing exorcisms is what he was really doing with people. But anyway I only went that one time, and that was the only time I saw him except for the time he came to a Charlie Lutes talk and I was there. But anyway, I went back on campus after the Robin Carlsen thing, and went to work the next day like usual, I was working the in press at that time and about half way through the day a guy comes in and says Bob, the Ad Council wants to see you. So I said ok and man, there were a few guys in the press that day, and none of 'em would look me straight in the eye, they all had these hang dog looks on their faces and would only look at me out of the sides of their eyes. So I followed this guy on over to where they were waiting for me, and I walk in the room and there is Bill Rist, Mario Orsati and James Beddinger. There was one other guy there too, but I can't remember who it was. They sit me down and started in on the interrogation. They asked me all kinds of questions about my going to see Robin, but the main thing they kept asking me over and over was Do you believe in him? So I told 'em what I knew they wanted to hear, like I thought he was flakey and I just went that one time out of curiosity and stuff like that. I guess I satisfied them, cause they didn't kick me out, but they sure did give me some lectures about how I needed to be careful about what I did as a staff or student and I needed to be careful about my behavior and my thinking. And that was the end of it, except that after that every time I saw James around campus he would give me these looks, you know, like I'm watching you boy! kind of looks. And I swear, you know I am a big and was a big Charlie Lutes fan so whenever Charlie would come anywhere close to Fairfield, I would always go see him. But after that meeting with Bill Rist and Mario and James, ever after that when I would come back on campus after seeing Charlie, there would come James. It didn't matter if I was headed to my room or the dining hall or student union, or wherever I would be, just a few minutes after getting back on campus, James would come walking by. He would just say hello, but I knew he was letting me know he knew I had gone to see Charlie. The other thing that happened was from then on any time I applied for a course of any kind, WPA or whatever my application was always held up and I had to answer questions about going to see Robin Carlsen that one time. And that went on while I was staff and student and for years after, even when I would apply to go to a WPA in Louisville or someplace, they have always asked me about going to see Robin.
[FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts
For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white belt is the rank you are given as a beginner. The rankings then progress after six months or so through a variety of gaudy colors to give the newbies a sense of progress, and then to the first real ranking, brown belt. That qualifies you as a beginner with good intentions, and in a reputable karate dojo takes 1-2 years to achieve. Put in another 2 years of dues in the same reputable dojo, and you might finally make black belt, which designates you as still a beginner but one who can finally be taken seriously. Only the higher black belt rankings -- especially above fifth degree -- can ever *really* be taken seriously, and they often require a lifetime of effort. Back in the Rama trip, we all studied martial arts. People could pick their discipline -- karate, judo, aikido, tae kwon do, tai chi, jiu-jitsu, whatever -- but you had to be in the dojo several times a week. Rama felt that it was good for improving our meditation by making us more fit, but also good for our careers by teaching us how to deal with competition. Interestingly enough, our equal emphasis on career led to a really funny (although you may have had to have been there to get it fully) one-liner I heard from a female Rama student towards the end of my time in that trip. We had managed to avoid each other for over a decade, but ran into each other at Grand Central one day after work and, having missed our train, decided to have a drink and a snack in the famous Oyster Bar. When the inevitable subject of Where do you study martial arts? came up, she laughed and said, A new place. I've got a white belt in nine different styles of karate. I laughed so hard I may have spit my margarita on her, because I understood. We moved so often that it was difficult to advance in belt ranks, simply because we moved so much. And in most of the karate dojos, if you came from another school -- even if you had attained a brown belt or a black belt there -- you were immediately assigned the rank of white belt. I always thought that this was a *wonderful* tradition. It weeded out the narcissists and the egomaniacs, who would never allow themselves to be seen in a lowly white belt again, as if they were mere beginners. For those who had no problem with this, like my new friend and I, we had been white belts a LOT, and knew how valuable it was. As a white belt, you unconsciously take on Beginner's Mind again. You don't assume that you know everything already, and as a result can actually *learn* from the new teacher. Being willing to put on a white belt again -- even after in my case over a dozen years studying karate -- was IMO simultaneously an indicator of humility and an indicator of having an open mind, being willing to learn something new. Which is why I have less respect for many long-term TMers than they sometimes believe I should have. *Especially* if they've been at some point a TM teacher, remarkably few of them I've encountered have ever had the humility to put on a white belt and Beginner's Mind and learn another technique of meditation. And by learn, I mean *take a class*, and learn from someone who has been trained how to teach that technique, not read a book. There have been a few long-term TMers I have met on this forum who have done this, and I admire them. Who I don't admire as much are the others who have never -- and who in fact would never consider -- donning a white belt again and learning another technique of meditation. They've become so convinced by Maharishi's ego-pandering that they're black belts in meditation that they don't feel that they could possibly have anything to learn from another meditation teacher or tradition. These types of TMers -- who are fortunately becoming fewer as the TM movement falls apart -- IMO couldn't achieve Beginner's Mind again on a bet. I think that's sad, achieving a state in which one believes that one really doesn't have anything more to learn. I'd prefer to hang with the white belts any day, because they're willing to learn more, and *build upon* the things they've already learned. The lady I had drinks with in New York -- who had two black belts to her credit when she spoke her one-liner to me -- is now a fifth-degree black belt, working on her sixth. To paraphrase the I Ching, Perseverance -- and humility -- furthers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness and/versus TM
On 6/1/2014 6:17 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: And suicides and attempted suicides and various psychotic episodes associated with TM - I'll take mindfulness any day. There is no evidence that basic TM practice is the cause of any attempted suicides or psychotic episodes. If there was any evidence you could post it here so we could read it for ourselves. What you maybe need to be doing is being /mindful of what you post to the group/ - we don't take kindly to people posting unsubstantiated rumors and theories that have no evidence to support them. So far as I know, there's been no double-blind, scientific studies that report any adverse effects from sitting around with your eyes closed and thinking about stuff for a few minutes a day. Are you sure it's TM that you were practicing, or was it some stoned-out day dreaming fantasy you were play-acting in your mind? At any rate, you don't seem very believable or even very mindful when you post nonsense not backed up by any facts. Go figure. Maybe you could explain to us /exactly/ what it was that you were thinking when you used to meditate. Thanks. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story
That's pretty much it. Nice story, and well-told. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, you who claim that TM is not a cult. As a former State Coordinator, I can tell you that I was instructed to similarly keep an eye on TM teachers in the Oregon-Washington area. I can also tell you that I failed miserably in my duties, and never said shit to anyone back at National. :-) From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 4:42 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story I was talking to my Kentucky friend Bob the other day. Bob was MIU for eight years total, as a student for most of them, but he worked on staff from time to time. This is what he told me. Yeah I was there during the Robin Carlsen years. I went to see him once, just once, out of curiosity really. And it was interesting, but he was kinda strange I thought. He was kinda strange. Now one thing, he did have some energy, no question about it. He looked directly in my eyes and man I felt like he was peering into all the deep dark stuff that was in there, you know? But he was really kinda strange, and from what I could see of his stuff, well he was doing exorcisms is what he was really doing with people. But anyway I only went that one time, and that was the only time I saw him except for the time he came to a Charlie Lutes talk and I was there. But anyway, I went back on campus after the Robin Carlsen thing, and went to work the next day like usual, I was working the in press at that time and about half way through the day a guy comes in and says Bob, the Ad Council wants to see you. So I said ok and man, there were a few guys in the press that day, and none of 'em would look me straight in the eye, they all had these hang dog looks on their faces and would only look at me out of the sides of their eyes. So I followed this guy on over to where they were waiting for me, and I walk in the room and there is Bill Rist, Mario Orsati and James Beddinger. There was one other guy there too, but I can't remember who it was. They sit me down and started in on the interrogation. They asked me all kinds of questions about my going to see Robin, but the main thing they kept asking me over and over was Do you believe in him? So I told 'em what I knew they wanted to hear, like I thought he was flakey and I just went that one time out of curiosity and stuff like that. I guess I satisfied them, cause they didn't kick me out, but they sure did give me some lectures about how I needed to be careful about what I did as a staff or student and I needed to be careful about my behavior and my thinking. And that was the end of it, except that after that every time I saw James around campus he would give me these looks, you know, like I'm watching you boy! kind of looks. And I swear, you know I am a big and was a big Charlie Lutes fan so whenever Charlie would come anywhere close to Fairfield, I would always go see him. But after that meeting with Bill Rist and Mario and James, ever after that when I would come back on campus after seeing Charlie, there would come James. It didn't matter if I was headed to my room or the dining hall or student union, or wherever I would be, just a few minutes after getting back on campus, James would come walking by. He would just say hello, but I knew he was letting me know he knew I had gone to see Charlie. The other thing that happened was from then on any time I applied for a course of any kind, WPA or whatever my application was always held up and I had to answer questions about going to see Robin Carlsen that one time. And that went on while I was staff and student and for years after, even when I would apply to go to a WPA in Louisville or someplace, they have always asked me about going to see Robin.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness and/versus TM
On 6/1/2014 8:38 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: For the record, my bet is that neither the Jim-bot nor the Nabby-bot have *ever* in their lives learned or practiced any form of mindfulness meditation, as taught by a reputable teacher. Neither of them, in fact, seems even capable of distinguishing mindfulness from forms of concentration meditation that they heard described by Maharishi and his parrot TM teachers as potentially causing headaches. As a matter of fact, you didn't specify what training you've had and under what teacher. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
[FairfieldLife] A great rap by Patton Oswalt
The comedian undertakes something that could do all of us here a lot of good: Summer is upon us, and I've got a bad case of The Spurts. I've gone down an internet/Twitter/Facebook rabbit hole and I need to engineer a summer spent in nothing but humid, skin-to-air reality for myself. If I don't, I feel like my psyche is going to suffer permanent slippage. I'm going to try to keep this short. And this isn't going to be a diatribe against the Internet or the information age or Twitter or anything like that. It's going to be a gentle, winking diatribe against myself, and my ego and its appetites. I was reading some -- not all -- but some of Camus' THE REBEL. At an airport, waiting for a flight. And this line hits me like a ton of bricks: Tyrants conduct monologues above a million solitudes. I've become my own tyrant -- Tweeting, and then responding to my own responses, and then fighting people who disagree with me. Constantly feeling like I have to have an instant take on things, instead of taking a breath, and getting as much information as I can about the world. Or simply listening to the people around me, and watching the world and picking up its hidden rhythms, which crouch underneath the micro and the macro. But I've lost sight of them. And it's because of this -- there's a portal to a shadow planet in my right hand, the size of a deck of cards, and I can't keep myself from peeling off one card after another, looking for a rare ace of sensation. The Spurts: I've aggressively re-wired my own brain to live and die in a 140 character jungle. I've let my syntax become nothing more than a carnival barker's ramp-up to a click-able link where I'm trying to sell something, or promote something, or share something I had no hand in making. So -- I'm engineering a summer. From today, June 1st, until Tuesday, September 2nd. Radio silent. No Twitter, no Facebook. There'll be a few announcements here and on my Twitter feed -- mostly for shows and some movies I'm about to appear in -- but I scheduled these to drop weeks and months from now, without me having to do them on the day. The chairs are up on the tables, the floor's been swept, and I'm locking up my tiny, personal online nightclub until the leaves turn brown. If Chili John's in Burbank can thrive while still closing for the summer, I ought to do just fine. I want to de-atrophy the muscles I once had. The ones I used to charge through books, sprint through films, amble pleasantly through a new music album or a human conversation. I've lost them -- willingly, mind you. My fault. Got addicted to the empty endorphins of being online. So I need to dry out, and remind myself of the deeper tides I used to be able to swim in -- in pages, and celluloid, and sounds, and people. Another writer I read some of, before nervously refreshing my Twitter @ mentions or updating my e-mail Inbox, was Garret Keizer. An essay in Harper's from 2010. Luckily, Keizer writes the kind of sentences that, even in the all-night casino floor of a world we live in now, can punch through the din like God's gun. The line that stuck with me was this: For fear of becoming dinosaurs we are turned into sheep. I don't want to be either. But whatever options are left? They're on the other side of the silence bath I'm about to take. Have a good, safe, fun summer. It's upon us. Stay cool when it comes down.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
How to tell if you're in a cult #75 Seems rather fragile this invincibility, eh? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I was talking to my Kentucky friend Bob the other day. Bob was MIU for eight years total, as a student for most of them, but he worked on staff from time to time. This is what he told me. Yeah I was there during the Robin Carlsen years. I went to see him once, just once, out of curiosity really. And it was interesting, but he was kinda strange I thought. He was kinda strange. Now one thing, he did have some energy, no question about it. He looked directly in my eyes and man I felt like he was peering into all the deep dark stuff that was in there, you know? But he was really kinda strange, and from what I could see of his stuff, well he was doing exorcisms is what he was really doing with people. But anyway I only went that one time, and that was the only time I saw him except for the time he came to a Charlie Lutes talk and I was there. But anyway, I went back on campus after the Robin Carlsen thing, and went to work the next day like usual, I was working the in press at that time and about half way through the day a guy comes in and says Bob, the Ad Council wants to see you. So I said ok and man, there were a few guys in the press that day, and none of 'em would look me straight in the eye, they all had these hang dog looks on their faces and would only look at me out of the sides of their eyes. So I followed this guy on over to where they were waiting for me, and I walk in the room and there is Bill Rist, Mario Orsati and James Beddinger. There was one other guy there too, but I can't remember who it was. They sit me down and started in on the interrogation. They asked me all kinds of questions about my going to see Robin, but the main thing they kept asking me over and over was Do you believe in him? So I told 'em what I knew they wanted to hear, like I thought he was flakey and I just went that one time out of curiosity and stuff like that. I guess I satisfied them, cause they didn't kick me out, but they sure did give me some lectures about how I needed to be careful about what I did as a staff or student and I needed to be careful about my behavior and my thinking. And that was the end of it, except that after that every time I saw James around campus he would give me these looks, you know, like I'm watching you boy! kind of looks. And I swear, you know I am a big and was a big Charlie Lutes fan so whenever Charlie would come anywhere close to Fairfield, I would always go see him. But after that meeting with Bill Rist and Mario and James, ever after that when I would come back on campus after seeing Charlie, there would come James. It didn't matter if I was headed to my room or the dining hall or student union, or wherever I would be, just a few minutes after getting back on campus, James would come walking by. He would just say hello, but I knew he was letting me know he knew I had gone to see Charlie. The other thing that happened was from then on any time I applied for a course of any kind, WPA or whatever my application was always held up and I had to answer questions about going to see Robin Carlsen that one time. And that went on while I was staff and student and for years after, even when I would apply to go to a WPA in Louisville or someplace, they have always asked me about going to see Robin.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story
FWIW, Robin wasn't just some harmless saint folks went to see to soak up a little darshan. He was perceived by the MIU leaders to be a real threat, especially to group TM-Sidhis practice; he had dreamed up some new sutras--focusing on himself, I believe--that he wanted his followers to use. (Ann, is that correct?) He was perhaps even more of a threat because he was totally committed to Maharishi, insisting that MIU had taken a wrong turn and was destroying the value of Maharishi's teaching. If anyone is interested, in the FFL Files section, under Miscellaneous Writings, is a file called RWC ledger 83.pdf, which is the reproduction of an ad Robin had placed in the Ledger when he was there in 1983 explaining his position. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : That's pretty much it. Nice story, and well-told. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, you who claim that TM is not a cult. As a former State Coordinator, I can tell you that I was instructed to similarly keep an eye on TM teachers in the Oregon-Washington area. I can also tell you that I failed miserably in my duties, and never said shit to anyone back at National. :-) From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 4:42 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story I was talking to my Kentucky friend Bob the other day. Bob was MIU for eight years total, as a student for most of them, but he worked on staff from time to time. This is what he told me. Yeah I was there during the Robin Carlsen years. I went to see him once, just once, out of curiosity really. And it was interesting, but he was kinda strange I thought. He was kinda strange. Now one thing, he did have some energy, no question about it. He looked directly in my eyes and man I felt like he was peering into all the deep dark stuff that was in there, you know? But he was really kinda strange, and from what I could see of his stuff, well he was doing exorcisms is what he was really doing with people. But anyway I only went that one time, and that was the only time I saw him except for the time he came to a Charlie Lutes talk and I was there. But anyway, I went back on campus after the Robin Carlsen thing, and went to work the next day like usual, I was working the in press at that time and about half way through the day a guy comes in and says Bob, the Ad Council wants to see you. So I said ok and man, there were a few guys in the press that day, and none of 'em would look me straight in the eye, they all had these hang dog looks on their faces and would only look at me out of the sides of their eyes. So I followed this guy on over to where they were waiting for me, and I walk in the room and there is Bill Rist, Mario Orsati and James Beddinger. There was one other guy there too, but I can't remember who it was. They sit me down and started in on the interrogation. They asked me all kinds of questions about my going to see Robin, but the main thing they kept asking me over and over was Do you believe in him? So I told 'em what I knew they wanted to hear, like I thought he was flakey and I just went that one time out of curiosity and stuff like that. I guess I satisfied them, cause they didn't kick me out, but they sure did give me some lectures about how I needed to be careful about what I did as a staff or student and I needed to be careful about my behavior and my thinking. And that was the end of it, except that after that every time I saw James around campus he would give me these looks, you know, like I'm watching you boy! kind of looks. And I swear, you know I am a big and was a big Charlie Lutes fan so whenever Charlie would come anywhere close to Fairfield, I would always go see him. But after that meeting with Bill Rist and Mario and James, ever after that when I would come back on campus after seeing Charlie, there would come James. It didn't matter if I was headed to my room or the dining hall or student union, or wherever I would be, just a few minutes after getting back on campus, James would come walking by. He would just say hello, but I knew he was letting me know he knew I had gone to see Charlie. The other thing that happened was from then on any time I applied for a course of any kind, WPA or whatever my application was always held up and I had to answer questions about going to see Robin Carlsen that one time. And that went on while I was staff and student and for years after, even when I would apply to go to a WPA in Louisville or someplace, they have always asked me about going to see Robin. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : That's pretty much it. Nice story, and well-told. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, you who claim that TM is not a cult.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana
Of course I am familiar with the EEG of TM. In fact I was a subject for a study and the University of Washington. I didn't produce alpha waves but theta. Alpha can be induced by just simple breathing techniques. Theta and delta are more indicative of advanced meditation states. Have you ever been a subject in an EEG study? Do you have your own personal EEG device? You know they are inexpensive? Perhaps I should get one and do studies of a wider range of meditation techniques which the TMO won't do. On 05/31/2014 08:27 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: You're familiar with the EEG of TM and other practices? And I'm not making stuff up, though I understand why you might want to believe so. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Sorry Lawson, but I put in years of study about this with very real teachers plus I also learned to teach TM. You did not and are just making shit up. I understand you want the home team to win but this ain't a ballgame. On 05/31/2014 02:18 PM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: You are assuming that it is only the mantra that is different about TM. You are also assuming that, without looking at the EEG, that all practices that use the proper mantra work the same. Neither assumption may be correct. The research I am referring to was done on: 13 Tibetan Buddhists, 15 QiGong, 14 Sahaja Yoga, 14 Ananda Marga Yoga, 15 Zen practitioners. All of them showed the same general pattern: http://www.amaye.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/med-connectivity-EEG-tomog.pdf The globally reduced functional interdependence between brain regions in meditation suggests that interaction between the self process functions is minimized, and that constraints on the self process by other processes are minimized, thereby leading to the subjective experience of non-involvement, detachment and letting go, as well as of all-oneness and dissolution of ego borders during meditation. I haven't seen the research they have been doing on TM, but I am assuming, from the enthusiasm that Fred Travis has revealed when referring to it, that they are finding that TM has a different effect than any of the above practices on the same measure. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 05/31/2014 10:48 AM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The thing is, Vipassana and virtually other practice besides TM, affects the brain in a different way than TM. No true at all. There are lots of other meditation programs that use beej mantras (at teach at a fraction of the price of TM). They will get similar or better results than TM often because the beej mantra selected actually suits the individual better than the TM method. Here's apparently your theme song. :-D http://youtu.be/1k8craCGpgs And if they teach TM in India according to the student's personal deity what do when it's Shiva?
[FairfieldLife] Not your usual pirate
Hannibal finished it's second season a week ago so Friday night NBC launched Crossbones, a series based on the pirate Blackbeard. It stars John Malkovich as Blackbeard. I'm usually not into this genre be decided to give it a try watching it on Hulu+. This may well be a series worth watching especially since the protagonist, Tom Lowe - a British doctor, has been employed by the British to find Blackbeard and assassinate him before he learns the secrets of a navigation device built to foil him and his pirate ships. But along the way our protagonist learns there might be something more to Blackbread and his roving crews than first thought.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A great rap by Patton Oswalt
Oswalt often shows up playing a very wide variety of characters from a complete goof to a diabolical villain. Seems to be a very busy actor these days. On 06/01/2014 08:15 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The comedian undertakes something that could do all of us here a lot of good: Summer is upon us, and I've got a bad case of The Spurts. I've gone down an internet/Twitter/Facebook rabbit hole and I need to engineer a summer spent in nothing but humid, skin-to-air reality for myself. If I don't, I feel like my psyche is going to suffer permanent slippage. I'm going to try to keep this short. And this isn't going to be a diatribe against the Internet or the information age or Twitter or anything like that. It's going to be a gentle, winking diatribe against myself, and my ego and its appetites. I was reading some -- not all -- but some of Camus' THE REBEL. At an airport, waiting for a flight. And this line hits me like a ton of bricks: Tyrants conduct monologues above a million solitudes. I've become my own tyrant -- Tweeting, and then responding to my own responses, and then fighting people who disagree with me. Constantly feeling like I have to have an instant take on things, instead of taking a breath, and getting as much information as I can about the world. Or simply listening to the people around me, and watching the world and picking up its hidden rhythms, which crouch underneath the micro and the macro. But I've lost sight of them. And it's because of this -- there's a portal to a shadow planet in my right hand, the size of a deck of cards, and I can't keep myself from peeling off one card after another, looking for a rare ace of sensation. The Spurts: I've aggressively re-wired my own brain to live and die in a 140 character jungle. I've let my syntax become nothing more than a carnival barker's ramp-up to a click-able link where I'm trying to sell something, or promote something, or share something I had no hand in making. So -- I'm engineering a summer. From today, June 1st, until Tuesday, September 2nd. Radio silent. No Twitter, no Facebook. There'll be a few announcements here and on my Twitter feed -- mostly for shows and some movies I'm about to appear in -- but I scheduled these to drop weeks and months from now, without me having to do them on the day. The chairs are up on the tables, the floor's been swept, and I'm locking up my tiny, personal online nightclub until the leaves turn brown. If Chili John's in Burbank can thrive while still closing for the summer, I ought to do just fine. I want to de-atrophy the muscles I once had. The ones I used to charge through books, sprint through films, amble pleasantly through a new music album or a human conversation. I've lost them -- willingly, mind you. My fault. Got addicted to the empty endorphins of being online. So I need to dry out, and remind myself of the deeper tides I used to be able to swim in -- in pages, and celluloid, and sounds, and people. Another writer I read some of, before nervously refreshing my Twitter @ mentions or updating my e-mail Inbox, was Garret Keizer. An essay in Harper's from 2010. Luckily, Keizer writes the kind of sentences that, even in the all-night casino floor of a world we live in now, can punch through the din like God's gun. The line that stuck with me was this: For fear of becoming dinosaurs we are turned into sheep. I don't want to be either. But whatever options are left? They're on the other side of the silence bath I'm about to take. Have a good, safe, fun summer. It's upon us. Stay cool when it comes down.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story
What I noticed about the TM Gestapo is that they were mediocre people who began showing up after the AofE courses who were not a part of the spiritual crowd of TM'ers. Perhaps they were jealous and saw that their only niche was to play cop for the TMO. Most of us rejected them as jokes but if the TMO was going to be their venue perhaps it was time to move on. On 06/01/2014 07:42 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I was talking to my Kentucky friend Bob the other day. Bob was MIU for eight years total, as a student for most of them, but he worked on staff from time to time. This is what he told me. Yeah I was there during the Robin Carlsen years. I went to see him once, just once, out of curiosity really. And it was interesting, but he was kinda strange I thought. He was kinda strange. Now one thing, he did have some energy, no question about it. He looked directly in my eyes and man I felt like he was peering into all the deep dark stuff that was in there, you know? But he was really kinda strange, and from what I could see of his stuff, well he was doing exorcisms is what he was really doing with people. But anyway I only went that one time, and that was the only time I saw him except for the time he came to a Charlie Lutes talk and I was there. But anyway, I went back on campus after the Robin Carlsen thing, and went to work the next day like usual, I was working the in press at that time and about half way through the day a guy comes in and says Bob, the Ad Council wants to see you. So I said ok and man, there were a few guys in the press that day, and none of 'em would look me straight in the eye, they all had these hang dog looks on their faces and would only look at me out of the sides of their eyes. So I followed this guy on over to where they were waiting for me, and I walk in the room and there is Bill Rist, Mario Orsati and James Beddinger. There was one other guy there too, but I can't remember who it was. They sit me down and started in on the interrogation. They asked me all kinds of questions about my going to see Robin, but the main thing they kept asking me over and over was Do you believe in him? So I told 'em what I knew they wanted to hear, like I thought he was flakey and I just went that one time out of curiosity and stuff like that. I guess I satisfied them, cause they didn't kick me out, but they sure did give me some lectures about how I needed to be careful about what I did as a staff or student and I needed to be careful about my behavior and my thinking. And that was the end of it, except that after that every time I saw James around campus he would give me these looks, you know, like I'm watching you boy! kind of looks. And I swear, you know I am a big and was a big Charlie Lutes fan so whenever Charlie would come anywhere close to Fairfield, I would always go see him. But after that meeting with Bill Rist and Mario and James, ever after that when I would come back on campus after seeing Charlie, there would come James. It didn't matter if I was headed to my room or the dining hall or student union, or wherever I would be, just a few minutes after getting back on campus, James would come walking by. He would just say hello, but I knew he was letting me know he knew I had gone to see Charlie. The other thing that happened was from then on any time I applied for a course of any kind, WPA or whatever my application was always held up and I had to answer questions about going to see Robin Carlsen that one time. And that went on while I was staff and student and for years after, even when I would apply to go to a WPA in Louisville or someplace, they have always asked me about going to see Robin.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness and/versus TM
Truly a waste of time, except for wankers. All of these medieval meditation techniques, like this 'mindfulness', introduced by the delusional, as a panacea for modern life. Could it get any weirder?? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's right, haven't tried nor am I going to. A Buddhist technique that gives headaches to large number of people is not only a waste of time but probably harmful. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, my bet is that neither the Jim-bot nor the Nabby-bot have *ever* in their lives learned or practiced any form of mindfulness meditation, snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Not your usual pirate
I watched the full season of the recent STARZ series Black Sails, also about pirates, and wound up thinking more of it than I did the first episode of Crossbones. The writing of the latter seemed scattered, as if the writers didn't really understand what their concept was. Malcovich was interesting in a Gary-Oldman-like over-the-top way, but his character didn't grab me the way that some of the characters in Black Sails did. Plus, I was experiencing cognitive dissonance while watching it. The other male lead is played by an English actor by the name of Richard Coyle, and he's actually very good in his role. But part of me was cracking up laughing every time I saw him, because I first got to know him as an actor on a comedy series called Coupling, in which he played Jeff, one of the most clueless guy-hanging-around-in-a-bar characters ever captured on film. Every time he'd be onscreen in Crossbones, being all serious, I kept waiting for his mother to come in from the wings and say in a hideously disappointed voice, Oh JEFFREY! :-) The terror of the Melty Man - Coupling - BBC comedy The terror of the Melty Man - Coupling - BBC comedy View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 6:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Not your usual pirate Hannibal finished it's second season a week ago so Friday night NBC launched Crossbones, a series based on the pirate Blackbeard. It stars John Malkovich as Blackbeard. I'm usually not into this genre be decided to give it a try watching it on Hulu+. This may well be a series worth watching especially since the protagonist, Tom Lowe - a British doctor, has been employed by the British to find Blackbeard and assassinate him before he learns the secrets of a navigation device built to foil him and his pirate ships. But along the way our protagonist learns there might be something more to Blackbread and his roving crews than first thought.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story
Yes, I became very aware of the big fish in little pond syndrome, and the below average DNA of the pond, itself, about the same time I was considering TTC. Kinda good that the self-righteous aggrandizers took over for awhile. Idealism would not have sustained the TMO, through thick and thin, whereas the momentum of the many ego trips, certainly did. Now that the TMO has survived, I see more light from the idealists peeking through, again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : What I noticed about the TM Gestapo is that they were mediocre people who began showing up after the AofE courses who were not a part of the spiritual crowd of TM'ers. Perhaps they were jealous and saw that their only niche was to play cop for the TMO. Most of us rejected them as jokes but if the TMO was going to be their venue perhaps it was time to move on. On 06/01/2014 07:42 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I was talking to my Kentucky friend Bob the other day. Bob was MIU for eight years total, as a student for most of them, but he worked on staff from time to time. This is what he told me. Yeah I was there during the Robin Carlsen years. I went to see him once, just once, out of curiosity really. And it was interesting, but he was kinda strange I thought. He was kinda strange. Now one thing, he did have some energy, no question about it. He looked directly in my eyes and man I felt like he was peering into all the deep dark stuff that was in there, you know? But he was really kinda strange, and from what I could see of his stuff, well he was doing exorcisms is what he was really doing with people. But anyway I only went that one time, and that was the only time I saw him except for the time he came to a Charlie Lutes talk and I was there. But anyway, I went back on campus after the Robin Carlsen thing, and went to work the next day like usual, I was working the in press at that time and about half way through the day a guy comes in and says Bob, the Ad Council wants to see you. So I said ok and man, there were a few guys in the press that day, and none of 'em would look me straight in the eye, they all had these hang dog looks on their faces and would only look at me out of the sides of their eyes. So I followed this guy on over to where they were waiting for me, and I walk in the room and there is Bill Rist, Mario Orsati and James Beddinger. There was one other guy there too, but I can't remember who it was. They sit me down and started in on the interrogation. They asked me all kinds of questions about my going to see Robin, but the main thing they kept asking me over and over was Do you believe in him? So I told 'em what I knew they wanted to hear, like I thought he was flakey and I just went that one time out of curiosity and stuff like that. I guess I satisfied them, cause they didn't kick me out, but they sure did give me some lectures about how I needed to be careful about what I did as a staff or student and I needed to be careful about my behavior and my thinking. And that was the end of it, except that after that every time I saw James around campus he would give me these looks, you know, like I'm watching you boy! kind of looks. And I swear, you know I am a big and was a big Charlie Lutes fan so whenever Charlie would come anywhere close to Fairfield, I would always go see him. But after that meeting with Bill Rist and Mario and James, ever after that when I would come back on campus after seeing Charlie, there would come James. It didn't matter if I was headed to my room or the dining hall or student union, or wherever I would be, just a few minutes after getting back on campus, James would come walking by. He would just say hello, but I knew he was letting me know he knew I had gone to see Charlie. The other thing that happened was from then on any time I applied for a course of any kind, WPA or whatever my application was always held up and I had to answer questions about going to see Robin Carlsen that one time. And that went on while I was staff and student and for years after, even when I would apply to go to a WPA in Louisville or someplace, they have always asked me about going to see Robin.
[FairfieldLife] What We Saw
Yesterday, we saw this VW van in South San Antonio. The van had a current inspection and registration tag on the windshield - apparently it's a daily driver to deliver tamales in the neighborhood.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story
We know you should be taking baby steps, but what about Bob? Baby Steps Clip: http://youtu.be/p3JPa2mvSQ4 On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I was talking to my Kentucky friend Bob the other day. Bob was MIU for eight years total, as a student for most of them, but he worked on staff from time to time. This is what he told me. Yeah I was there during the Robin Carlsen years. I went to see him once, just once, out of curiosity really. And it was interesting, but he was kinda strange I thought. He was kinda strange. Now one thing, he did have some energy, no question about it. He looked directly in my eyes and man I felt like he was peering into all the deep dark stuff that was in there, you know? But he was really kinda strange, and from what I could see of his stuff, well he was doing exorcisms is what he was really doing with people. But anyway I only went that one time, and that was the only time I saw him except for the time he came to a Charlie Lutes talk and I was there. But anyway, I went back on campus after the Robin Carlsen thing, and went to work the next day like usual, I was working the in press at that time and about half way through the day a guy comes in and says Bob, the Ad Council wants to see you. So I said ok and man, there were a few guys in the press that day, and none of 'em would look me straight in the eye, they all had these hang dog looks on their faces and would only look at me out of the sides of their eyes. So I followed this guy on over to where they were waiting for me, and I walk in the room and there is Bill Rist, Mario Orsati and James Beddinger. There was one other guy there too, but I can't remember who it was. They sit me down and started in on the interrogation. They asked me all kinds of questions about my going to see Robin, but the main thing they kept asking me over and over was Do you believe in him? So I told 'em what I knew they wanted to hear, like I thought he was flakey and I just went that one time out of curiosity and stuff like that. I guess I satisfied them, cause they didn't kick me out, but they sure did give me some lectures about how I needed to be careful about what I did as a staff or student and I needed to be careful about my behavior and my thinking. And that was the end of it, except that after that every time I saw James around campus he would give me these looks, you know, like I'm watching you boy! kind of looks. And I swear, you know I am a big and was a big Charlie Lutes fan so whenever Charlie would come anywhere close to Fairfield, I would always go see him. But after that meeting with Bill Rist and Mario and James, ever after that when I would come back on campus after seeing Charlie, there would come James. It didn't matter if I was headed to my room or the dining hall or student union, or wherever I would be, just a few minutes after getting back on campus, James would come walking by. He would just say hello, but I knew he was letting me know he knew I had gone to see Charlie. The other thing that happened was from then on any time I applied for a course of any kind, WPA or whatever my application was always held up and I had to answer questions about going to see Robin Carlsen that one time. And that went on while I was staff and student and for years after, even when I would apply to go to a WPA in Louisville or someplace, they have always asked me about going to see Robin.
[FairfieldLife] Your own personal EEG device
First off a disclaimer that I don't have connection with this company but these are fairly inexpensive devices. Perhaps FFL'ers could get them and report in their daily brainwave activity. We could even replace the Postcount with it. Perhaps call it The Lawson Index. :-D http://neurosky.com/products-markets/eeg-biosensors/ There even an SDK for developers. We could start a whole new revolution in social networking except it would truly be neural networking!
Re: [FairfieldLife] What We Saw
Richard, I love it! Thanks for posting. On Sunday, June 1, 2014 11:38 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yesterday, we saw this VW van in South San Antonio. The van had a current inspection and registration tag on the windshield - apparently it's a daily driver to deliver tamales in the neighborhood.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device
They're a useless toy. The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes. This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair (for that you need 2 EEG electrodes). From the product description: The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 hours of battery life. FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme: http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif View on www.immram... http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif Preview by Yahoo In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two different electrodes simultaneously. Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science involved. A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares the 19 x 18 = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average. The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair as there ain't a pair to compare. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story
He still does TM, is a bit sad about the behavior of the TMO and was surprised at the pundit riot -he teaches English at some Catholic College in Kentucky. He's got some good stories about seeing people freak out (as in major unstressing) He knew and worked with Brain Henchcliff who committed suicide not long after leaving MIU staff. He also has as I put in his account long been a fan of Charlie and has told me some stuff Charlie said at lectures that make me see why Marshy never let Charlie in the front door much. He also reports that Charlie was vocal in his unhappiness over Marshy introducing the TM Siddhi program - said so at his talks on more than one occasion. From: Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story We know you should be taking baby steps, but what about Bob? Baby Steps Clip: http://youtu.be/p3JPa2mvSQ4 On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I was talking to my Kentucky friend Bob the other day. Bob was MIU for eight years total, as a student for most of them, but he worked on staff from time to time. This is what he told me. Yeah I was there during the Robin Carlsen years. I went to see him once, just once, out of curiosity really. And it was interesting, but he was kinda strange I thought. He was kinda strange. Now one thing, he did have some energy, no question about it. He looked directly in my eyes and man I felt like he was peering into all the deep dark stuff that was in there, you know? But he was really kinda strange, and from what I could see of his stuff, well he was doing exorcisms is what he was really doing with people. But anyway I only went that one time, and that was the only time I saw him except for the time he came to a Charlie Lutes talk and I was there. But anyway, I went back on campus after the Robin Carlsen thing, and went to work the next day like usual, I was working the in press at that time and about half way through the day a guy comes in and says Bob, the Ad Council wants to see you. So I said ok and man, there were a few guys in the press that day, and none of 'em would look me straight in the eye, they all had these hang dog looks on their faces and would only look at me out of the sides of their eyes. So I followed this guy on over to where they were waiting for me, and I walk in the room and there is Bill Rist, Mario Orsati and James Beddinger. There was one other guy there too, but I can't remember who it was. They sit me down and started in on the interrogation. They asked me all kinds of questions about my going to see Robin, but the main thing they kept asking me over and over was Do you believe in him? So I told 'em what I knew they wanted to hear, like I thought he was flakey and I just went that one time out of curiosity and stuff like that. I guess I satisfied them, cause they didn't kick me out, but they sure did give me some lectures about how I needed to be careful about what I did as a staff or student and I needed to be careful about my behavior and my thinking. And that was the end of it, except that after that every time I saw James around campus he would give me these looks, you know, like I'm watching you boy! kind of looks. And I swear, you know I am a big and was a big Charlie Lutes fan so whenever Charlie would come anywhere close to Fairfield, I would always go see him. But after that meeting with Bill Rist and Mario and James, ever after that when I would come back on campus after seeing Charlie, there would come James. It didn't matter if I was headed to my room or the dining hall or student union, or wherever I would be, just a few minutes after getting back on campus, James would come walking by. He would just say hello, but I knew he was letting me know he knew I had gone to see Charlie. The other thing that happened was from then on any time I applied for a course of any kind, WPA or whatever my application was always held up and I had to answer questions about going to see Robin Carlsen that one time. And that went on while I was staff and student and for years after, even when I would apply to go to a WPA in Louisville or someplace, they have always asked me about going to see Robin.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device
F3, F4, P3, P4... for Alaric's demo. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : They're a useless toy. The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes. This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair (for that you need 2 EEG electrodes). From the product description: The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 hours of battery life. FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme: http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif View on www.immram... http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif Preview by Yahoo In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two different electrodes simultaneously. Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science involved. A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares the 19 x 18 = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average. The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair as there ain't a pair to compare. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness and/versus TM
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Truly a waste of time, except for wankers. All of these medieval meditation techniques, like this 'mindfulness', introduced by the delusional, as a panacea for modern life. Could it get any weirder?? I wish I was as certain of just one thing as you seem to be about everything. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's right, haven't tried nor am I going to. A Buddhist technique that gives headaches to large number of people is not only a waste of time but probably harmful. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, my bet is that neither the Jim-bot nor the Nabby-bot have *ever* in their lives learned or practiced any form of mindfulness meditation, snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts
On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I think that's sad, achieving a state in which one believes that one really doesn't have anything more to learn. I'd prefer to hang with the white belts any day, because they're willing to learn more, and *build upon* the things they've already learned. The lady I had drinks with in New York -- who had two black belts to her credit when she spoke her one-liner to me -- is now a fifth-degree black belt, working on her sixth. To paraphrase the I Ching, Perseverance -- and humility -- furthers. In the philosophy of Shotokan, one of the most important principles is humility, respect, compassion, patience, and both an inward and outward calmness. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
[FairfieldLife] Friends Journal article, The TM Diaspora...
2003, (Though my mother's side of the family is old Iowa Quaker (Whittier- Springville, Ia. via Flushing, Oh. and the Carolinas) and runs directly back to England, I am not currently really versed or participating in things Quaker. My own interests are more abstract. However, I thought you all might appreciate these thoughts on Quaker Meeting as practice as we are doing it out in the hinterlands. Best Regards from very Southeastern Iowa, [paste:] Friends Journal Dear Editors; Your July 2003 'Welcome to Newcomers' article in Friends Journal came in good timing as good food for thought. I live in a community where several of us have sat on occasion and worshipped as Friends. In our town we have several experienced Quakers. Some Earlham College grads. Some Eastern birth-rights who went to Friends schools out there. Some Midwest birth-rights. Some Scattergood Friends. Also a few convinced Friends who were in Meetings elsewhere at other times. In the last 25-30 years in our little town occasionally we have met but nothing as far as having a regular Friends Meeting. Following after the vocations of our different lives we are 'fallen between-the-cracks-friends' as Teddy Milne describes in her Friends Journal article on membership. I believe that all of us here, whether formerly affiliated as Quakers or not, would claim our religious or spiritual affiliation as Quaker, regardless. Though none of us are members of organized formal Friends Meetings otherwise. Hence, when we do meet it is truly as friends pursuing a corporate practice of sitting together in a powerful silence. When we do meet it is in common as with the Quaker Practice suggested by Esther Greenleaf Murer in the Friends Journal on 'Why Come to Meeting' on time? Coming to Meeting, as in the corporate nature of our peculiar Quaker worship. For those of us as Friends living here in this little Iowa town known for its thousands of Transcendental Meditators, mostly our Quaker practice as Friends we have absorbed into a larger testimony of a group practice of meditation with a larger activist endeavor. In itself that is an endeavor of corporate practice of sitting in cultivated silence towards a so called 'Field Effect' of a collective world spiritual peace. Living in our 'meditating' community here as Friends we each recognize it experientially as Quaker in form though it has been part of another larger experiment incorporating aspects of Quaker method of sitting in group, on large scale. For years and now for decades, we have had group meditations of many hundreds people everyday and sometimes thousands, with many of us spending an hour and a half to three or four or five hours a day silently meditating in group. It has been a very powerful corporate experience spiritually for the many of those who have pursued it. The 'weight' of it I think any of the founding Quakers would have recognized as part of their own experience. The experience, while I experience it as similar, does not exactly transpose over in the terms of definitions that Quaker authors like Davies or Knowles in their Journal article would like. It is much more simple and powerful in nature; more like Marty Grundy in her 'Sit Thee Here' article in the Journal . I know weighty Friends in the same way that I know weighty 'meditators' from our community here. Weighty in the 'throw-power' of their cultivated silence. I really appreciate the way that Marty Grundy catches the gravity of this weight in her words. It is a very abstract thing but Marty catches it: [snip] But the older Friend did much more. As she settled into worship, slipping into that familiar deep openness to God's Spirit, she silently drew the visitor with her. Many Friends have had the precious experience of sitting near a weighty Friend and being drawn by that Friend's experience into a deeper, more prayerful place. And then the next two paragraphs enlarging on this. This weightiness comes in time from just doing it through time in practice. It becomes its own standard of weight in experience. Now, recently as aspects of the larger Transcendental Meditation (TM) group participation here in this town have become less inclusive, the larger group meditation practice has dwindled in scope. The several of us old-Quakers who have been active in the larger community group meditations have been exploring a refuge in the tradition of our old Quaker practice that is without the exclusive trappings of our community 'meditation' TM organization. Separations are nothing new even to Quaker Meetings also along the same lines: cultivated experiential practitioners (conservatives) on the one hand and then those dogmatic cultist mood- makers of faith (evangelicals) on the other. I see this even still within the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts
On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white belt is the rank you are given as a beginner. A white belt is the belt you get when you buy a karate uniform. The first class I attended was when my parents were stationed in Japan in 1959 in the USAF. What is important in martial arts isn't the clothing you wear or your rank at a dojo - what is important is self control which /begins in the mind/. An effective self defense is greatly a function of our awareness of the surroundings in the outside world; our ability to control the content of our mind under stress; and our ability to remove ourselves as a target by our behavior and mindset. Most instructors only give lip service to mental preparation such as meditation and spend more time discussing physical tactics. Self defense is as much mental as physical. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story
The EEG measures I have seen from practicing the TM-Sidhis as part of the Invincible America project say that not only was he sorta wrong, he was majorly wrong about the TM-SIdhis. Maharishi was 100% (and then some!!!) correct about the long-term effects, meditation-wise. Look at the before/after EEG in that video I linked to. Last 5 minutes: EEG-only part of presentation on upcoming seminar on Transcendental Meditation and EEG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd_b-LS6SzQlist=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd_b-LS6SzQlist=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA EEG-only part of presentation on upcoming seminar on Tra... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd_b-LS6SzQlist=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA This is the EEG video presented within the presentation about the upcoming seminar on Transcendental Meditation and EEG done by Alaric Arenander. It's... View on www.youtube... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd_b-LS6SzQlist=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA Preview by Yahoo L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : He still does TM, is a bit sad about the behavior of the TMO and was surprised at the pundit riot -he teaches English at some Catholic College in Kentucky. He's got some good stories about seeing people freak out (as in major unstressing) He knew and worked with Brain Henchcliff who committed suicide not long after leaving MIU staff. He also has as I put in his account long been a fan of Charlie and has told me some stuff Charlie said at lectures that make me see why Marshy never let Charlie in the front door much. He also reports that Charlie was vocal in his unhappiness over Marshy introducing the TM Siddhi program - said so at his talks on more than one occasion. From: Pundit Sir punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story We know you should be taking baby steps, but what about Bob? Baby Steps Clip: http://youtu.be/p3JPa2mvSQ4 http://youtu.be/p3JPa2mvSQ4 On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I was talking to my Kentucky friend Bob the other day. Bob was MIU for eight years total, as a student for most of them, but he worked on staff from time to time. This is what he told me. Yeah I was there during the Robin Carlsen years. I went to see him once, just once, out of curiosity really. And it was interesting, but he was kinda strange I thought. He was kinda strange. Now one thing, he did have some energy, no question about it. He looked directly in my eyes and man I felt like he was peering into all the deep dark stuff that was in there, you know? But he was really kinda strange, and from what I could see of his stuff, well he was doing exorcisms is what he was really doing with people. But anyway I only went that one time, and that was the only time I saw him except for the time he came to a Charlie Lutes talk and I was there. But anyway, I went back on campus after the Robin Carlsen thing, and went to work the next day like usual, I was working the in press at that time and about half way through the day a guy comes in and says Bob, the Ad Council wants to see you. So I said ok and man, there were a few guys in the press that day, and none of 'em would look me straight in the eye, they all had these hang dog looks on their faces and would only look at me out of the sides of their eyes. So I followed this guy on over to where they were waiting for me, and I walk in the room and there is Bill Rist, Mario Orsati and James Beddinger. There was one other guy there too, but I can't remember who it was. They sit me down and started in on the interrogation. They asked me all kinds of questions about my going to see Robin, but the main thing they kept asking me over and over was Do you believe in him? So I told 'em what I knew they wanted to hear, like I thought he was flakey and I just went that one time out of curiosity and stuff like that. I guess I satisfied them, cause they didn't kick me out, but they sure did give me some lectures about how I needed to be careful about what I did as a staff or student and I needed to be careful about my behavior and my thinking. And that was the end of it, except that after that every time I saw James around campus he would give me these looks, you know, like I'm watching you boy! kind of looks. And I swear, you know I am a big and was a big Charlie Lutes fan so whenever Charlie would come anywhere close to Fairfield, I would always go see him. But after that meeting with Bill Rist and Mario and James, ever after that when I would come back on campus after seeing Charlie, there would come James.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness and/versus TM
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's right, haven't tried nor am I going to. A Buddhist technique that gives headaches to large number of people is not only a waste of time but probably harmful. === People practising TM also report headaches and head pressure during and after meditation. This seems to be a potential experience with all forms of meditation, perhaps an indication of effort creeping into the practise. One can also have a headache during meditation for reasons unrelated to meditation. Since you eschew Buddhist meditation entirely, how do you know it causes people headaches? How many people do you directly know that practice Buddhist meditation and have headaches? Note that 'mindfulness' represents a large number of meditation techniques rather than a single uniformly taught method so one would expect wide variations. Those that taught me never discussed making use of concentration or effort. And recall also that TM is considered harmful by many people. There does not seem to be really solid evidence either way here. I prefer both kinds of meditation, TM and 'mindfulness', noting that 'mindfulness' is not deliberate minding or focusing, at least the way I was taught.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness and/versus TM
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness and/versus TM
Stranger indeed, the latest is that the strainers getting headaches while trying to get their minds full will be required to wear funny hats: http://www.google.no/imgres?imgurl=https://lh5.ggpht.com/zsULfqG_kp723o4xYECC5atq-GFcvP-7REqYl4cdT3y7XorQGvqAvbu-hfcbikQuuQ%253Dw300imgrefurl=https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id%3Dcom.funny.hats.live.wallpaper%26hl%3Denh=300w=300tbnid=Xa75MN9hTN02IM:zoom=1docid=abOmr6ExbcAC7Mitg=1hl=noei=UWiLU6nhGKvNygO69YCgCAtbm=ischved=0CF4QMyhWMFY4ZA G http://www.google.no/imgres?imgurl=http://por-img.cimcontent.net/api/assets/bin-201405/243fa8d5cbb98358790af61213c75473.jpgimgrefurl=http://xfinity.comcast.net/slideshow/news-toppix0919/42/h=400w=576tbnid=gi3e5dSpzLBF0M:zoom=1docid=veKksx0J61nuAMhl=noei=UWiLU6nhGKvNygO69YCgCAtbm=ischved=0CCIQMygaMBo4ZA http://www.google.no/imgres?imgurl=https://lh5.ggpht.com/zsULfqG_kp723o4xYECC5atq-GFcvP-7REqYl4cdT3y7XorQGvqAvbu-hfcbikQuuQ%253Dw300imgrefurl=https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id%3Dcom.funny.hats.live.wallpaper%26hl%3Denh=300w=300tbnid=Xa75MN9hTN02IM:zoom=1docid=abOmr6ExbcAC7Mitg=1hl=noei=UWiLU6nhGKvNygO69YCgCAtbm=ischved=0CF4QMyhWMFY4ZA Google Bilder-resultat for https://lh5.ggpht.com/zsULfqG_kp723o4xYECC5at... http://www.google.no/imgres?imgurl=https://lh5.ggpht.com/zsULfqG_kp723o4xYECC5atq-GFcvP-7REqYl4cdT3y7XorQGvqAvbu-hfcbikQuuQ%253Dw300imgrefurl=https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id%3Dcom.funny.hats.live.wallpaper%26hl%3Denh=300w=300tbnid=Xa75MN9hTN02IM:zoom=1docid=abOmr6ExbcAC7Mitg=1hl=noei=UWiLU6nhGKvNygO69YCgCAtbm=ischved=0CF4QMyhWMFY4ZA Viderekoblingsmerknad Siden du var på, prøver å sende deg til https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.funny.hats.live.wallpaperhl=en. View on www.google.no http://www.google.no/imgres?imgurl=https://lh5.ggpht.com/zsULfqG_kp723o4xYECC5atq-GFcvP-7REqYl4cdT3y7XorQGvqAvbu-hfcbikQuuQ%253Dw300imgrefurl=https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id%3Dcom.funny.hats.live.wallpaper%26hl%3Denh=300w=300tbnid=Xa75MN9hTN02IM:zoom=1docid=abOmr6ExbcAC7Mitg=1hl=noei=UWiLU6nhGKvNygO69YCgCAtbm=ischved=0CF4QMyhWMFY4ZA Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Truly a waste of time, except for wankers. All of these medieval meditation techniques, like this 'mindfulness', introduced by the delusional, as a panacea for modern life. Could it get any weirder?? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's right, haven't tried nor am I going to. A Buddhist technique that gives headaches to large number of people is not only a waste of time but probably harmful. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, my bet is that neither the Jim-bot nor the Nabby-bot have *ever* in their lives learned or practiced any form of mindfulness meditation, snip
RE: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types
Rick should get someone much more scholarly [with credentials] to discern and categorize the interviewees spiritually if Rick is going to publish a categorical list like that and not just let some earnest friend go work on it. First, Rick really ought to pull the list from the Batgap page right now, back up and think about it some more before publishing some stoopid list that way it is growing now or he is looking at all kinds of legal troubles for Batgap and himself. Kindly, -Buck in the Dome Yes, I noticed the attempt at categorization on Batgap. It is lame. -Buck Legal troubles? What might those be, pray tell? Feel free to give me category suggestions for specific individuals and I may implement them. . http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=3920196/grpspId=1705077076/msgId=385442/stime=1401626068 http://y.analytics.yahoo.com/fpc.pl?ywarid=515FB27823A7407Ea=10001310322279js=noresp=img
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness and/versus TM
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Truly a waste of time, except for wankers. All of these medieval meditation techniques, like this 'mindfulness', introduced by the delusional, as a panacea for modern life. Could it get any weirder?? I wish I was as certain of just one thing as you seem to be about everything. You wouldn't like it. It's a form of stasis in which nothing ever changes except the individual wording of the declarations of one's superiority. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device
Gawd, you're even elitist about *EEG machines*, which have nothing whatsoever to do with meditation. :-) From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 7:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device They're a useless toy. The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes. This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair (for that you need 2 EEG electrodes). From the product description: The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 hours of battery life. FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme: http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... View on www.immram... Preview by Yahoo In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two different electrodes simultaneously. Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science involved. A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares the 19 x 18 = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average. The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair as there ain't a pair to compare. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device
If you actually read the thread, you'll see that at this point it's talking about the effects of different kinds of meditation on the practitioners' EEGs. Bhairitu suggested getting a personal EEG device to check what happens with your EEG when you meditate. Lawson is pointing out that such devices are useless toys and won't tell you anything at all significant about your meditating EEG. That's a perfectly reasonable comment that isn't even remotely elitist. If you're not interested in meditating EEGs, fine. But both Lawson and Bhairitu are, as are many researchers, both TM and non-TM. Don't you have anything more sensible to carp about? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Gawd, you're even elitist about *EEG machines*, which have nothing whatsoever to do with meditation. :-) From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 7:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device They're a useless toy. The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes. This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair (for that you need 2 EEG electrodes). From the product description: The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 hours of battery life. FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme: http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif View on www.immram... http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif Preview by Yahoo In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two different electrodes simultaneously. Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science involved. A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares the 19 x 18 = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average. The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair as there ain't a pair to compare. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device
No serious researcher uses EEG to measure the effects of things on the brain any more. They use fMRI. Only low-rent researchers who can't get grants or afford more up-to-date equipment rely on EEGs, or cite them. If you actually read the thread, you'll see that at this point it's talking about the effects of different kinds of meditation on the practitioners' EEGs. Bhairitu suggested getting a personal EEG device to check what happens with your EEG when you meditate. Lawson is pointing out that such devices are useless toys and won't tell you anything at all significant about your meditating EEG. That's a perfectly reasonable comment that isn't even remotely elitist. If you're not interested in meditating EEGs, fine. But both Lawson and Bhairitu are, as are many researchers, both TM and non-TM. Don't you have anything more sensible to carp about? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Gawd, you're even elitist about *EEG machines*, which have nothing whatsoever to do with meditation. :-) From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 7:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device They're a useless toy. The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes. This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair (for that you need 2 EEG electrodes). From the product description: The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 hours of battery life. FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme: http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... View on www.immram... Preview by Yahoo In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two different electrodes simultaneously. Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science involved. A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares the 19 x 18 = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average. The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair as there ain't a pair to compare. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness; the Guru as mantra - Let 'er rip, or not?
So where did you learn practice Shikan taza for how long?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device
I doubt that's the case, but at any rate, MUM's EEG equipment is hardly low-rent. And your comment here is a non sequitur to the one I was responding to. Sounds to me as if you're being elitist... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : No serious researcher uses EEG to measure the effects of things on the brain any more. They use fMRI. Only low-rent researchers who can't get grants or afford more up-to-date equipment rely on EEGs, or cite them. If you actually read the thread, you'll see that at this point it's talking about the effects of different kinds of meditation on the practitioners' EEGs. Bhairitu suggested getting a personal EEG device to check what happens with your EEG when you meditate. Lawson is pointing out that such devices are useless toys and won't tell you anything at all significant about your meditating EEG. That's a perfectly reasonable comment that isn't even remotely elitist. If you're not interested in meditating EEGs, fine. But both Lawson and Bhairitu are, as are many researchers, both TM and non-TM. Don't you have anything more sensible to carp about? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Gawd, you're even elitist about *EEG machines*, which have nothing whatsoever to do with meditation. :-) From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 7:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device They're a useless toy. The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes. This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair (for that you need 2 EEG electrodes). From the product description: The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 hours of battery life. FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme: http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... View on www.immram... http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif Preview by Yahoo In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two different electrodes simultaneously. Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science involved. A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares the 19 x 18 = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average. The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair as there ain't a pair to compare. L
[FairfieldLife] One for Bharitu (or other nerds)
I seem to remember that you liked Silicon Valley, which I found too silly to bother with. Here's another one for your perusal. Check out Halt and Catch Fire, the new AMC series starring Lee Pace (from Pushing Daisies). The IMDB description is Set in the early 1980s, series dramatizes the personal computing boom through the eyes of a visionary, an engineer and a prodigy whose innovations directly confront the corporate behemoths of the time. Their personal and professional partnership will be challenged by greed and ego while charting the changing culture in Texas' Silicon Prairie. The first few words, displayed on the screen at the beginning of the series, are: HALT AND CATCH FIRE (HCF): An early computer command that sent the machine into a race condition, forcing all instructions to compete for superiority at once. Control of the computer could not be regained. The first episode is actually pretty interesting, and for a show about nerds, it's pretty fuckin' dynamic. Great babe, too, in newcomer Mackenzie Davis.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness and/versus TM
Of course there's the case of of the Principal of the all-girls Buddhist school in Thailand, who became a TM teacher herself because so many students were complaining of headaches after learning more modern (traditional) Buddhist techniques. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's right, haven't tried nor am I going to. A Buddhist technique that gives headaches to large number of people is not only a waste of time but probably harmful. === People practising TM also report headaches and head pressure during and after meditation. This seems to be a potential experience with all forms of meditation, perhaps an indication of effort creeping into the practise. One can also have a headache during meditation for reasons unrelated to meditation. Since you eschew Buddhist meditation entirely, how do you know it causes people headaches? How many people do you directly know that practice Buddhist meditation and have headaches? Note that 'mindfulness' represents a large number of meditation techniques rather than a single uniformly taught method so one would expect wide variations. Those that taught me never discussed making use of concentration or effort. And recall also that TM is considered harmful by many people. There does not seem to be really solid evidence either way here. I prefer both kinds of meditation, TM and 'mindfulness', noting that 'mindfulness' is not deliberate minding or focusing, at least the way I was taught.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device
Remains to be seen. We used to check for alpha using a biofeedback device. There are also other companies selling personal EEG devices. Yes, I know the universities have medical quality devices. And BTW, I knew Fred Travis when he was at the SIMS TM center near the University of Washington. It might be fun to play with one of these and see what different mantras produce. I might even write some software for it. On 06/01/2014 10:21 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: They're a useless toy. The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes. This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair (for that you need 2 EEG electrodes). From the product description: The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 hours of battery life. FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme: http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif image http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif View on www.immram... http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif Preview by Yahoo In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two different electrodes simultaneously. Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science involved. A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares the 19 x 18 = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average. The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair as there ain't a pair to compare. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] One for Bharitu (or other nerds)
Unfortunately AMC is pay access only for me unless they've posted the pilot for free (and probably not). I liked Kevin's Smith's Comic Book Men but refuse to pay as much for a half-hour show as a full hour show streaming. I ran into a race condition problem recently trying to run javascript in an Android webview which sometimes runs the javascript before the webview is finished initializing and returns the wrong screen dimensions (default 320x240). Had to ad a workaround to the library I was using and finally Google acknowledges the bug and are going to fix it next release. On 06/01/2014 12:51 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I seem to remember that you liked Silicon Valley, which I found too silly to bother with. Here's another one for your perusal. Check out Halt and Catch Fire, the new AMC series starring Lee Pace (from Pushing Daisies). The IMDB description is Set in the early 1980s, series dramatizes the personal computing boom through the eyes of a visionary, an engineer and a prodigy whose innovations directly confront the corporate behemoths of the time. Their personal and professional partnership will be challenged by greed and ego while charting the changing culture in Texas' Silicon Prairie. The first few words, displayed on the screen at the beginning of the series, are: HALT AND CATCH FIRE (HCF): An early computer command that sent the machine into a race condition, forcing all instructions to compete for superiority at once. Control of the computer could not be regained. The first episode is actually pretty interesting, and for a show about nerds, it's pretty fuckin' dynamic. Great babe, too, in newcomer Mackenzie Davis.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts
On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'd prefer to hang with the white belts any day, because they're willing to learn more, and *build upon* the things they've already learned. The lady I had drinks with in New York -- who had two black belts to her credit when she spoke her one-liner to me -- is now a fifth-degree black belt, working on her sixth. To paraphrase the I Ching, Perseverance -- and humility -- furthers. Yogis have no need for a belt of any color. Have a nice day. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device
Actually, you're wrong. People who try to figure out what the brain is doing use all sorts of different machines, hopefully on the same subjects, maybe even at the same time, or very close to the same time (in the case of EEG + something else ). EEG measures tiny electrical currents in the scalp thought to be related to the activity fo the underlying part of the brain. The drawback is that it looks at ALL electrical activity from every part of the brain (every part of the skin, actually), and all sorts of mathematical analysis is done to try to compensate for distant electrical sources (whether from other parts of the brain, or eye twitches, or whatever). The advantage is that you get 1,000 samples per second to work with and machiens are REALLY cheap compared to every thing else. MEG measure tiny magnetic fields coming from the brain. It is more accurate than EEG in that fields from distant parts of the brain and/or body aren't going to interfere much, if at all, as they are even more weak than the field coming from the part of the brain directly underneath the magnets, and those magnets have to be so sensitive to pick of brain-based fields that they need to be cooled with liquid nitrogen to work at all. They sampling rate is about 500-1000/second, so theyre in the same ballpark as EEG in that regard. The disadvantages are that you only get fields coming from the surface of the brain, and the neurons have to be oriented just the right way, or you don't register a magnetic field at all, if I'm reading things properly. Also, MEG machiens are the most expensive of the brain imaging stuff I have read about. fMRI and other imaging techniques that use BOLD (Blood Oxygen Level Difference) are much more accurate spatially than MEG or EEG. EVen with the best mathematical techniques and the highest-resolution (256 electrode) machines, you still have 1/10 the spatial accuracy from EEG/MEG as you do from BOLD-based imaging. The disadvantages are many: even the best BOLD-based imaging requires 1 second per image, and the machines run from somewhat unhealthy to use to rather unhealthy to use. There's no limit to how often or how much you can use MEG/EEG on a specific subject, but fMRI and other BOLD imaging machines all have limits of days/weeks/month(s) as to how often you can safely run the same test on the same subject. It turns out that BOLD systems have another issue: when dealing with a resting brain, it turns out that the parts of the brain that are supposed to activate the most during rest are also the parts that happen to sit next to major blood vessels. It is difficult to tell how much blood oxygen level is related to the activation of the brain and how much is due to sitting next to a major source of blood in the first place. Even breathing can change oxygen levels in the brain, and so holding one's breath is considered an important thing to do when working with these machines. Of course, unless you're in the TM pure consciousness state, holding yoru breath is an active mental process and would interfere with measuring what your brain is doing when completely allowed to rest, so that's another consideration. The rest of the brain imaging machines take longer to get an image and are even more dangerous, as I understand it. Getting back to the point: there are tradeoffs of what you can determine from any specific imaging technique, and researchers prefer to use 2 or more on the same subjects, if at all possible. It's true that MUM doesn't have anything but EEG, but they can partner with other universities that do, and they have done so in the past, and will in the future, I am sure. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : No serious researcher uses EEG to measure the effects of things on the brain any more. They use fMRI. Only low-rent researchers who can't get grants or afford more up-to-date equipment rely on EEGs, or cite them. If you actually read the thread, you'll see that at this point it's talking about the effects of different kinds of meditation on the practitioners' EEGs. Bhairitu suggested getting a personal EEG device to check what happens with your EEG when you meditate. Lawson is pointing out that such devices are useless toys and won't tell you anything at all significant about your meditating EEG. That's a perfectly reasonable comment that isn't even remotely elitist. If you're not interested in meditating EEGs, fine. But both Lawson and Bhairitu are, as are many researchers, both TM and non-TM. Don't you have anything more sensible to carp about? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Gawd, you're even elitist about *EEG machines*, which have nothing whatsoever to do with meditation. :-) From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device
Well, it's not the higehst-quality either. Up until the partnership with the folk at the Key-Institute, MUM didn't have real access to the best possible analysis of EEG, so it didn't really matter. Now that they are partnering on a regular basis (or so I hear) perhaps a high-def EEG machine will be in the works. Those are really kool. Tononi uses the output of one in his discussion of his work on magnetic induction during sleep about 2 minutes in: Giulio Tononi Deep Sleep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RptzQ_o2deA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RptzQ_o2deA Giulio Tononi Deep Sleep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RptzQ_o2deA This feature is not available right now. Please try again later. View on www.youtube... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RptzQ_o2deA Preview by Yahoo L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I doubt that's the case, but at any rate, MUM's EEG equipment is hardly low-rent. And your comment here is a non sequitur to the one I was responding to. Sounds to me as if you're being elitist... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : No serious researcher uses EEG to measure the effects of things on the brain any more. They use fMRI. Only low-rent researchers who can't get grants or afford more up-to-date equipment rely on EEGs, or cite them. If you actually read the thread, you'll see that at this point it's talking about the effects of different kinds of meditation on the practitioners' EEGs. Bhairitu suggested getting a personal EEG device to check what happens with your EEG when you meditate. Lawson is pointing out that such devices are useless toys and won't tell you anything at all significant about your meditating EEG. That's a perfectly reasonable comment that isn't even remotely elitist. If you're not interested in meditating EEGs, fine. But both Lawson and Bhairitu are, as are many researchers, both TM and non-TM. Don't you have anything more sensible to carp about? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Gawd, you're even elitist about *EEG machines*, which have nothing whatsoever to do with meditation. :-) From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 7:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device They're a useless toy. The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes. This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair (for that you need 2 EEG electrodes). From the product description: The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 hours of battery life. FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme: http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... View on www.immram... http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif Preview by Yahoo In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two different electrodes simultaneously. Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science involved. A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares the 19 x 18 = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average. The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair as there ain't a pair to compare. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white belt is the rank you are given as a beginner... I have a black belt, but not because I have studied martial arts. It just holds up my pants.
[FairfieldLife] Re: One for Bharitu (or other nerds)
Idon't believe that was an actual command (not intentionally at least), but just a description of what sometimes happened (hopefully not the catch fire part, but you never know)... L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I seem to remember that you liked Silicon Valley, which I found too silly to bother with. Here's another one for your perusal. Check out Halt and Catch Fire, the new AMC series starring Lee Pace (from Pushing Daisies). The IMDB description is Set in the early 1980s, series dramatizes the personal computing boom through the eyes of a visionary, an engineer and a prodigy whose innovations directly confront the corporate behemoths of the time. Their personal and professional partnership will be challenged by greed and ego while charting the changing culture in Texas' Silicon Prairie. The first few words, displayed on the screen at the beginning of the series, are: HALT AND CATCH FIRE (HCF): An early computer command that sent the machine into a race condition, forcing all instructions to compete for superiority at once. Control of the computer could not be regained. The first episode is actually pretty interesting, and for a show about nerds, it's pretty fuckin' dynamic. Great babe, too, in newcomer Mackenzie Davis.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device
Here's a 14 channel personal EEG. Two models, one for $299 and one for $750 (haven't had time to see if they both have 14 channels). http://emotiv.com/eeg/features.php On 06/01/2014 10:27 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: F3, F4, P3, P4... for Alaric's demo. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : They're a useless toy. The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes. This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair (for that you need 2 EEG electrodes). From the product description: The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 hours of battery life. FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme: http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif image http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif View on www.immram... http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif Preview by Yahoo In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two different electrodes simultaneously. Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science involved. A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares the 19 x 18 = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average. The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair as there ain't a pair to compare. L
[FairfieldLife] Plan 9's Finno-Ugric dominance
Maila Nurmi (my-lah noor-me), born in Petsamo Finland 1922, orig. Maila Elizabeth Syrjäniemi. Bela Lugosi, born in Lugos 1882, then Hungary, now Lugoj, Romania; orig. Béla Ferenc Dezső Blaskó
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device
And a comparison chart on the numerous person EEG devices: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_consumer_brain%E2%80%93computer_interfaces On 06/01/2014 10:27 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: F3, F4, P3, P4... for Alaric's demo. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : They're a useless toy. The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes. This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair (for that you need 2 EEG electrodes). From the product description: The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 hours of battery life. FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme: http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif image http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif View on www.immram... http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif Preview by Yahoo In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two different electrodes simultaneously. Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science involved. A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares the 19 x 18 = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average. The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair as there ain't a pair to compare. L
[FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??
Wikipedia:
The English word celibacy derives from the Latin caelibatus, state of being
unmarried, from Latin caelebs, meaning unmarried. This word derives from two
Proto-Indo-European http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_language
stems, *kaiwelo- alone and *lib(h)s- living.[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celibacy#cite_note-7
kaivalya n. (fr. %{ke4vala}) , isolation Va1m. ; absolute unity Veda7ntas.
BhP. ; perfect isolation , abstraction , detachment from all other connections
, detachment of the soul from matter or further transmigrations , beatitude
MBh. KapS. Sa1m2khyak. c. ; for %{vaikalya} Ra1jat. vii , 1149 ; (mf(%{A})n.)
leading to eternal happiness or emancipation MBh. xiii , 1101.
kevala , f. {I} (later {A}) exclusive, belonging only to (gen. or dat.); alone,
simple, pure, mere; whole, entire, each, all. --- n. adv. only. {na kevalam}
-- {api} not only--but also.
But can celibacy make one feel sick, especially around the prostata?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device
Yeah, that's a lot better. I don't know what the significance is of 14 vs 19 leads... It looks like they're ignoring most of teh central (Cx) and parietal (Px) input positions, but not sure what that would do for measuring TM or other meditation practices. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Here's a 14 channel personal EEG. Two models, one for $299 and one for $750 (haven't had time to see if they both have 14 channels). http://emotiv.com/eeg/features.php http://emotiv.com/eeg/features.php On 06/01/2014 10:27 AM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: F3, F4, P3, P4... for Alaric's demo. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... wrote : They're a useless toy. The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes. This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair (for that you need 2 EEG electrodes). From the product description: The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 hours of battery life. FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme: http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... View on www.immram... Preview by Yahoo In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two different electrodes simultaneously. Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science involved. A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares the 19 x 18 = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average. The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair as there ain't a pair to compare. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device
That's an odd chart. What does measuring 8 mental states mean? That there are 8 electrodes over parts of the brain associated with mental processes? Odd way of putting it. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : And a comparison chart on the numerous person EEG devices: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_consumer_brain%E2%80%93computer_interfaces http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_consumer_brain%E2%80%93computer_interfaces On 06/01/2014 10:27 AM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: F3, F4, P3, P4... for Alaric's demo. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... wrote : They're a useless toy. The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes. This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair (for that you need 2 EEG electrodes). From the product description: The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 hours of battery life. FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme: http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... View on www.immram... Preview by Yahoo In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two different electrodes simultaneously. Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science involved. A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares the 19 x 18 = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average. The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair as there ain't a pair to compare. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device
Even the low-end ones are pretty damned expensive, though. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Well, it's not the higehst-quality either. Up until the partnership with the folk at the Key-Institute, MUM didn't have real access to the best possible analysis of EEG, so it didn't really matter. Now that they are partnering on a regular basis (or so I hear) perhaps a high-def EEG machine will be in the works. Those are really kool. Tononi uses the output of one in his discussion of his work on magnetic induction during sleep about 2 minutes in: Giulio Tononi Deep Sleep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RptzQ_o2deA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RptzQ_o2deA Giulio Tononi Deep Sleep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RptzQ_o2deA This feature is not available right now. Please try again later. View on www.youtube... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RptzQ_o2deA Preview by Yahoo L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I doubt that's the case, but at any rate, MUM's EEG equipment is hardly low-rent. And your comment here is a non sequitur to the one I was responding to. Sounds to me as if you're being elitist... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : No serious researcher uses EEG to measure the effects of things on the brain any more. They use fMRI. Only low-rent researchers who can't get grants or afford more up-to-date equipment rely on EEGs, or cite them. If you actually read the thread, you'll see that at this point it's talking about the effects of different kinds of meditation on the practitioners' EEGs. Bhairitu suggested getting a personal EEG device to check what happens with your EEG when you meditate. Lawson is pointing out that such devices are useless toys and won't tell you anything at all significant about your meditating EEG. That's a perfectly reasonable comment that isn't even remotely elitist. If you're not interested in meditating EEGs, fine. But both Lawson and Bhairitu are, as are many researchers, both TM and non-TM. Don't you have anything more sensible to carp about? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Gawd, you're even elitist about *EEG machines*, which have nothing whatsoever to do with meditation. :-) From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 7:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device They're a useless toy. The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes. This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair (for that you need 2 EEG electrodes). From the product description: The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 hours of battery life. FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme: http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... View on www.immram... http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif Preview by Yahoo In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two different electrodes simultaneously. Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science involved. A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares the 19 x 18 = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average. The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair as there ain't a pair to compare. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
Right, thanks! Clearly I was never enlightened in any of my past lives - or in this one either. But then, this could be my first ever life! If someone learns meditation in their first incarnation maybe they are a shoo-in to make Bodhisattva grade in double quick time . . . ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/30/2014 11:51 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:s3raphita@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Re I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings . . .: This is Rama we're talking about, no? Yes. What I was meaning to ask you before was: did Rama ever give his followers (or just you perhaps) instructions on how they also could levitate? No. Did Rama claim to be utilising Patanjali's Samyama hints (as re-packaged by MMY)... No. ...or had he discovered a new occult secret? No idea. The most he ever said about it was that he remembered how to do it from a previous life. Fred Lenz, aka, Rama, learned how to levitate from Master Fwap. The whole story is related by Lenz in his book Surfing the Himalayas, which apparently Barry never read. I'm sure this information won't be lost on Judy. LoL! ...Master Fwap told me that most people who have been enlightened in their previous incarnations would normally begin to regain their past-life enlightenment-if they lived at sea level-at around the age of twenty-nine, when their astrological Saturn return took place. He said that living in or near sacred mountains, because of their beneficial auric influences, often made past-life returns happen even faster. 'Surfing the Himalayas: A Spiritual Adventure' by Frederick Lenz St. Martin's Press, 1997 p. 119 This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Historic Meissner-like Effect [ME] of Peace:
. . Maharishi: “All don't have to meditate. Just some small percentage in society will be enough.”[281] -1968-9 “This was borne out at the end of 1974 when it was found that in cities where the number of meditators had reached one percent the crime rate decreased significantly.” Conversations with Maharishi, Vol I. Vernon Katz, MUM Press 2001 “Expansion of happiness is the purpose of life, and evolution is the process by which it is fulfilled. Life begins in a natural way, it evolves, and happiness expands. The expansion of happiness carries with it the growth of intelligence, power, creativity and everything that may be said to be of significance in life.” -The Science of Being and Art of Living -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi [1963] = = = 12 January 1972 Maharishi inaugurated the World Plan to “eliminate the age-old problems of mankind in this generation.” Creating an Ideal Society: . .people currently practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique are constantly intensifying the Maharishi Effect and contributing to the Age of Enlightenment. The dawn is rising to the day. 12 January 1977 The influence of orderliness generated from the state of infinite correlation experienced during the Transcendental Meditation technique is so powerful that even one per cent of the people in society practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique is sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and give an evolutionary direction to community life as a whole. The phenomenon of a powerful influence of harmony spreading through a whole community or nation when a small fraction of the population practices the Transcendental Meditation technique is known as the Maharishi Effect [ME]. Considering the [Maharishi] Meissner-like Effect of Increasing Coherence in systems. “Sudden sharp changes from relatively disordered to much more ordered states may be considered 'phase transitions' as described in the physical sciences. For instance, water changes from a less orderly arrangement of molecules in the liquid state to a highly ordered crystalline structure when the temperature is lowered to 0 degree C. Physicists are now beginning to explore the possible applications of phase transition models to sudden sweeping changes in individual and social systems . . Transitions to more orderly configurations are frequently mediated by the influence of a few individuals from within a population. Such effects are observed in developing systems of many sorts. For instance, in the embryo prior to the formation of any organs, a small cluster of cells is known as 'The Primary Organizer'. These few cells determine the developmental fates of the multitude of undifferentiated and unordered cells comprising the rest of the embryo.” Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., West Germany, MERU Press, 1976 As more and more cities rose to one percent of the population practicing Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found that not only did crime decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative trends also decreased, and positivity increased. Research scientists named this phenomenon the 'Maharishi Effect' in honor of Maharishi. As early as, “In 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more orderly and harmonious functioning would occur when a small fraction -on the order of one percent- of a population practiced the Transcendental Meditation technique (6), and in December 1974 we found that crime rate did decrease in four midwestern U.S. Cities in which one percent of the population was practicing the TM technique.” Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., West Germany, MERU Press, 1976 Right from the beginning of his movement, Maharishi predicted that even a small number of the world's population practicing his Transcendental Meditation technique could neutralize the stress being built up in the world consciousness, thus averting conflicts and wars. In 1974 these predictions were validated by scientific studies showing that in cities where one percent of the population learned the transcendental Meditation technique there was a sudden decrease in crime rates. By 1974 more than one million people throughout the world had learned the practice of Transcendental Meditation
[FairfieldLife] Re: Science and Spirituality and Maharishi:
. . Observation, Hypothesis, Test; Scientific Process.. . When you get things laid out in time series of publication to look at it becomes remarkable what Maharishi was doing all along going way back. There was quite a lot of scientific process (advancement too) which got specifically propelled by Maharishi all through the years and decades. Constantly. Quite fairly this is something that distinguishes Maharishi's spiritual teaching. Observe, hypothesize, test. The science was actually driving larger policy that was initiated by Maharishi himself to be able to set up tests and explore data all along from early on. He was really quite a modern man fusing the ancient and modern in the science of collecting data, making hypothesis and testing as process of science on the spiritual; in making hypothesis based on observation in research that then drives tests and the history of the movement as science test is also a history of Transcendental Meditation [TM] dating from early in Maharishi's arrival in the West in the 1950's through the 60's, 70's, 1980's, 90's, 00's to present. “Observe, hypothesis, test”. He really persisted and in culture pulled quite a coup on religion-ists and atheists alike in a teaching of science and spirituality. -Buck Thanks this science is an extremely important addition to the data around spirituality. -Buck in the Dome LEnglish5 offers: Fred Travis' article published in the New York Academy of Sciences that discusses the preliminary research on Cosmic Consciousness: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full Specific research on pure consciousness discussed in that paper: Breath Suspension During the Transcendental Meditation Technique http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/content/44/2/133.full.pdf Electrophysiologic Characteristics of Respiratory Suspension Periods Occurring During the Practice of the Transcendental Meditation Program http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/content/46/3/267.full.pdf Autonomic patterns during respiratory suspensions: Possible markers of Transcendental Consciousness http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/transcendental-consciousness.pdf Correlates of stabilization of pure consciousness, aka Cosmic Consciousenss -the preliminary stage of enlightenment in TM-theory: Psychological http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf physiological http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I have this idea kicking around in my head to try to interview Sam Harris, or someone like him. An intelligent atheist, as I understand him. I’d want to read all his books first, and then hash out the likely points of discussion with you beforehand. We could do it on FFL. My perspective is very SCI-like – that intelligence is omnipresent, all-pervading, and obvious if one looks closely enough. I’m interviewing a guy named Bernardo Kastrup in a couple of months who has written a book called “Why Materialism is Baloney”, but it would be fun to interview an intelligent materialist, if that’s what Harris is, and see if we could find any common ground. What do you think?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device
There's an OpenEEG project that you might want to look into. http://openeeg.sourceforge.net/ On 06/01/2014 02:30 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: That's an odd chart. What does measuring 8 mental states mean? That there are 8 electrodes over parts of the brain associated with mental processes? Odd way of putting it. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : And a comparison chart on the numerous person EEG devices: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_consumer_brain%E2%80%93computer_interfaces On 06/01/2014 10:27 AM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: F3, F4, P3, P4... for Alaric's demo. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... wrote : They're a useless toy. The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes. This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair (for that you need 2 EEG electrodes). From the product description: The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 hours of battery life. FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme: http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif image http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif View on www.immram... http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif Preview by Yahoo In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two different electrodes simultaneously. Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science involved. A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares the 19 x 18 = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average. The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair as there ain't a pair to compare. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Old Index to FFL
Yahoo Groups Neo it seems truncates posts at 64KB. Older versions of the Index are not truncated. This one seems to be 'unabridged' by neo-truncation.. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/352508 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/352508 One can also do a subject search for 'Index' to turn up the earlier index as they developed. Use the advanced search feature that comes up as a button once you do an initial search from the messages search box. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Sri M Interview
This is a fascinating interview. Has anyone heard of this yogi before? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOxHkyx40v8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOxHkyx40v8
[FairfieldLife] Lightmint vs EEG claptrap
Apparently none of the posters on this thread read the short article by Swartz about the difference between mindfulness and awakening to the innate awareness that makes us what we are. The actual discussion by James Swartz was about the difference between the practice of Buddhist Vipassana and its relationship to the Vedanta teachings about awakening to one’s invariant witness-awareness. EEG's indicate nothing about Lightmint and have never demonstrated anything about consciousness as such. The assumption is that EEG brain activity enumerates variant forms of subjectivity, all the while never investigating this unsupported claim itself. That assumption is not challenged because it attacks the very funding-base (University and Institutional) that supports most of these studies. Read it and Weep, Weep, Weep. “The reflected awareness that bounces off the tiny mirror of an individual intellect and makes perception and inference possible casts such a small penumbra of light that it is impossible for it to reveal the complete cognitive process. It may reveal those parts of the chain of experience that are less subtle than it but it cannot illumine the causal factors of which it is an effect. Modern psychology has developed an understanding this process, which Vedanta does not contradict. But, because it assumes that consciousness is an effect of matter, it does not understand the actual relationship between awareness/consciousness and matter and therefore is of no help in our inquiry into the self.” James Swartz, Discrimination between the Self and the Not-Self
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lightmint vs EEG claptrap
EEG doesn't tell us anything about dreaming either, except that it's occurring, based on subjective reports when sleeping subjects are awakened. IOW, the EEG signatures of people who are dreaming are identifiable as such. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Apparently none of the posters on this thread read the short article by Swartz about the difference between mindfulness and awakening to the innate awareness that makes us what we are. The actual discussion by James Swartz was about the difference between the practice of Buddhist Vipassana and its relationship to the Vedanta teachings about awakening to one’s invariant witness-awareness. EEG's indicate nothing about Lightmint and have never demonstrated anything about consciousness as such. The assumption is that EEG brain activity enumerates variant forms of subjectivity, all the while never investigating this unsupported claim itself. That assumption is not challenged because it attacks the very funding-base (University and Institutional) that supports most of these studies. Read it and Weep, Weep, Weep. “The reflected awareness that bounces off the tiny mirror of an individual intellect and makes perception and inference possible casts such a small penumbra of light that it is impossible for it to reveal the complete cognitive process. It may reveal those parts of the chain of experience that are less subtle than it but it cannot illumine the causal factors of which it is an effect. Modern psychology has developed an understanding this process, which Vedanta does not contradict. But, because it assumes that consciousness is an effect of matter, it does not understand the actual relationship between awareness/consciousness and matter and therefore is of no help in our inquiry into the self.” James Swartz, Discrimination between the Self and the Not-Self
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts
Succinctly and beautifully written, Richard, thank you. On Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:52 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white belt is the rank you are given as a beginner. A white belt is the belt you get when you buy a karate uniform. The first class I attended was when my parents were stationed in Japan in 1959 in the USAF. What is important in martial arts isn't the clothing you wear or your rank at a dojo - what is important is self control which begins in the mind. An effective self defense is greatly a function of our awareness of the surroundings in the outside world; our ability to control the content of our mind under stress; and our ability to remove ourselves as a target by our behavior and mindset. Most instructors only give lip service to mental preparation such as meditation and spend more time discussing physical tactics. Self defense is as much mental as physical. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??
The goal of Raja yoga is kaivalya (isolation) of the Purusha from the
prakriti.
/Or, to look from another angle, the power of pure consciousness
settles in its own pure nature./ — Kaivalya Pada: Sutra 35.
On 6/1/2014 4:27 PM, cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Wikipedia:
The English word /celibacy/ derives from the Latin /caelibatus/,
state of being unmarried, from Latin /caelebs/, meaning unmarried.
This word derives from two Proto-Indo-European
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_language stems,
*kaiwelo- alone and *lib(h)s- living.^[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celibacy#cite_note-7
*kaivalya* n. (fr. %{ke4vala}) , isolation Va1m. ; absolute unity
Veda7ntas. BhP. ; perfect isolation , abstraction , detachment from
all other connections , detachment of the soul from matter or further
transmigrations , beatitude MBh. KapS. Sa1m2khyak. c. ; for
%{vaikalya} Ra1jat. vii , 1149 ; (mf(%{A})n.) leading to eternal
happiness or emancipation MBh. xiii , 1101.
*kevala* , f. {I} (later {A}) exclusive, belonging only to (gen. or
dat.); alone, simple, pure, mere; whole, entire, each, all. --- n.
adv. only. {na kevalam} -- {api} not only--but also.
But can celibacy make one feel sick, especially around the prostata?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??
Richard, I still disagree with you about this alleged separation of Purusha and
Prakriti being the ultimate goal of yoga. Maybe it's a temporary goal but I
think the ultimate goal is to realize that Purusha IS Prakriti. Even in this
quote, the word power I think, refers to Prakriti. So the quote is saying that
Prakriti settles into Purusha.
On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:12 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
The goal of Raja yoga is kaivalya (isolation) of the Purusha from the prakriti.
Or, to look from another angle, the power of pure consciousness settles in its
own pure nature. — Kaivalya Pada: Sutra 35.
On 6/1/2014 4:27 PM, cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Wikipedia:
The English word celibacy derives from the Latin caelibatus, state of being
unmarried, from Latin caelebs, meaning unmarried. This word derives from
two Proto-Indo-European stems, *kaiwelo- alone and *lib(h)s- living.[7]
kaivalya n. (fr. %{ke4vala}) , isolation Va1m. ; absolute unity Veda7ntas.
BhP. ; perfect isolation , abstraction , detachment from all other
connections , detachment of the soul from matter or further transmigrations ,
beatitude MBh. KapS. Sa1m2khyak. c. ; for %{vaikalya} Ra1jat. vii , 1149 ;
(mf(%{A})n.) leading to eternal happiness or emancipation MBh. xiii , 1101.
kevala , f. {I} (later {A}) exclusive, belonging only to (gen. or dat.);
alone, simple, pure, mere; whole, entire, each, all. --- n. adv. only. {na
kevalam} -- {api} not only--but also.
But can celibacy make one feel sick, especially around the prostata?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??
This description considers them separate, reflective of a dualistic philosophy.
In the Samkhya tradition there is purusha and there is prakriti, and these
two are as separate as the clockmaker and the clock. Purusha is the soul, the
Self, pure consciousness, and the only source of consciousness. The word
literally means man. Prakriti is that which is created. It is nature in all
her aspects. Prakriti literally means creatrix, the female creative energy.
Purusha Prakriti http://www.yinyoga.com/ys1_4.1.1_purusha_prakriti.php
http://www.yinyoga.com/ys1_4.1.1_purusha_prakriti.php
Purusha Prakriti http://www.yinyoga.com/ys1_4.1.1_purusha_prakriti.php
Purusha Prakriti Samkhya and the Classical Yoga of the Yoga Sutras are
dualistic philosophies. Very few yoga teachers today realize this.
View on www.yinyoga.com http://www.yinyoga.com/ys1_4.1.1_purusha_prakriti.php
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Richard, I still disagree with you about this alleged separation of Purusha
and Prakriti being the ultimate goal of yoga. Maybe it's a temporary goal but I
think the ultimate goal is to realize that Purusha IS Prakriti. Even in this
quote, the word power I think, refers to Prakriti. So the quote is saying that
Prakriti settles into Purusha.
On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:12 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@...
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
The goal of Raja yoga is kaivalya (isolation) of the Purusha from the prakriti.
Or, to look from another angle, the power of pure consciousness settles in
its own pure nature. — Kaivalya Pada: Sutra 35.
On 6/1/2014 4:27 PM, cardemaister@... mailto:cardemaister@... [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Wikipedia:
The English word celibacy derives from the Latin caelibatus, state of being
unmarried, from Latin caelebs, meaning unmarried. This word derives from two
Proto-Indo-European http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_language
stems, *kaiwelo- alone and *lib(h)s- living.[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celibacy#cite_note-7
kaivalya n. (fr. %{ke4vala}) , isolation Va1m. ; absolute unity Veda7ntas.
BhP. ; perfect isolation , abstraction , detachment from all other connections
, detachment of the soul from matter or further transmigrations , beatitude
MBh. KapS. Sa1m2khyak. c. ; for %{vaikalya} Ra1jat. vii , 1149 ; (mf(%{A})n.)
leading to eternal happiness or emancipation MBh. xiii , 1101.
kevala , f. {I} (later {A}) exclusive, belonging only to (gen. or dat.);
alone, simple, pure, mere; whole, entire, each, all. --- n. adv. only. {na
kevalam} -- {api} not only--but also.
But can celibacy make one feel sick, especially around the prostata?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??
Beautiful photo, Emily and to Richard too, this dualism is certainly true of
one level of reality. But I'll go with Maharishi on this and he has explained
that even in every cell of our body, at the deepest level, Purusha IS Prakriti.
This is sometimes depicted by those sacred pictures from India in which one
half of the body is male and one half is female.
On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:28 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
This description considers them separate, reflective of a dualistic philosophy.
In the Samkhya tradition there is purusha and there is prakriti, and these two
are as separate as the clockmaker and the clock. Purusha is the soul, the Self,
pure consciousness, and the only source of consciousness. The word literally
means man. Prakriti is that which is created. It is nature in all her
aspects. Prakriti literally means creatrix, the female creative energy.
Purusha Prakriti
Purusha Prakriti
Purusha Prakriti Samkhya and the Classical Yoga of the Yoga Sutras are
dualistic philosophies. Very few yoga teachers today realize this.
View on www.yinyoga.com Preview by Yahoo
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Richard, I still disagree with you about this alleged separation of Purusha and
Prakriti being the ultimate goal of yoga. Maybe it's a temporary goal but I
think the ultimate goal is to realize that Purusha IS Prakriti. Even in this
quote, the word power I think, refers to Prakriti. So the quote is saying that
Prakriti settles into Purusha.
On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:12 PM, 'Richard J. Williams'
punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
The goal of Raja yoga is kaivalya
(isolation) of the Purusha from the prakriti.
Or, to look from another angle, the power of pure
consciousness settles in its own pure nature. — Kaivalya
Pada: Sutra 35.
On 6/1/2014 4:27 PM, cardemaister@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Wikipedia:
The English word celibacy derives from the Latin caelibatus,
state of being unmarried, from Latin caelebs,
meaning unmarried. This word derives from two Proto-Indo-European stems,
*kaiwelo- alone and *lib(h)s- living.[7]
kaivalya n. (fr. %{ke4vala}) , isolation
Va1m. ; absolute unity Veda7ntas. BhP. ; perfect
isolation , abstraction , detachment from all other
connections , detachment of the soul from matter or
further transmigrations , beatitude MBh. KapS.
Sa1m2khyak. c. ; for %{vaikalya} Ra1jat. vii ,
1149 ; (mf(%{A})n.) leading to eternal happiness or
emancipation MBh. xiii , 1101.
kevala , f. {I} (later {A}) exclusive, belonging only to (gen. or
dat.); alone, simple, pure, mere; whole, entire, each, all. --- n.
adv. only. {na kevalam} -- {api} not only--but also.
But can celibacy make one feel sick, especially around
the prostata?
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protection is active.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts
Hate to say it, but a lot of what he wrote was cribbed from an Amazon reader review of a book on karate: http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649 http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649 Check out the review by H. Asbury. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Succinctly and beautifully written, Richard, thank you. On Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:52 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white belt is the rank you are given as a beginner. A white belt is the belt you get when you buy a karate uniform. The first class I attended was when my parents were stationed in Japan in 1959 in the USAF. What is important in martial arts isn't the clothing you wear or your rank at a dojo - what is important is self control which begins in the mind. An effective self defense is greatly a function of our awareness of the surroundings in the outside world; our ability to control the content of our mind under stress; and our ability to remove ourselves as a target by our behavior and mindset. Most instructors only give lip service to mental preparation such as meditation and spend more time discussing physical tactics. Self defense is as much mental as physical. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness; the Guru as mantra - Let 'er rip, or not?
On 6/1/2014 1:46 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: So where did you learn practice Shikan taza for how long? FYI: I sat with Suzuki Roshi at the SFZC for a year in 1968 and with Jokusho Kwong-roshi since 1969 whenever I visit my daughter who lives in Sonoma, so it's been 46 years now that I've been practicing in the Soto Zen tradition. Up in northern California lots of people practice various types of meditation. Sonoma Mountain Zen Center is situated on 80 acres of rolling hills and mountainous land, located 11 miles from the town of Santa Rosa. We are thinking about moving there next year so we can sit with roshi full-time. Inside the Sonoma Zen Center: Jakusho Kwong-roshi was born in Santa Rosa in 1935 and began studying Zen with Shunryu Suzuki-roshi in 1959. He received ordination at San Francisco Zen Center in 1970 and began establishing Sonoma Mountain Zen Center in 1973 as his commemoration to his teacher. Kwong-roshi completed Dharma transmission in 1978 through Hoitsu Suzuki-roshi at Rinsoin, Japan. This authorized him as Dharma successor to Suzuki-roshi's lineage. Kwong-roshi travels annually to the Southwest, Iceland and Poland to lead sesshins for affiliate sitting groups. Sonoma Mountain Zen Center: http://www.smzc.net/ On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 1:46 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: So where did you learn practice Shikan taza for how long?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??
Richard, yoga comes from root meaning yoked or union. Are you saying that the
goal of union is to separate?!
On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:12 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
The goal of Raja yoga is kaivalya (isolation) of the Purusha from the prakriti.
Or, to look from another angle, the power of pure consciousness settles in its
own pure nature. — Kaivalya Pada: Sutra 35.
On 6/1/2014 4:27 PM, cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Wikipedia:
The English word celibacy derives from the Latin caelibatus, state of being
unmarried, from Latin caelebs, meaning unmarried. This word derives from
two Proto-Indo-European stems, *kaiwelo- alone and *lib(h)s- living.[7]
kaivalya n. (fr. %{ke4vala}) , isolation Va1m. ; absolute unity Veda7ntas.
BhP. ; perfect isolation , abstraction , detachment from all other
connections , detachment of the soul from matter or further transmigrations ,
beatitude MBh. KapS. Sa1m2khyak. c. ; for %{vaikalya} Ra1jat. vii , 1149 ;
(mf(%{A})n.) leading to eternal happiness or emancipation MBh. xiii , 1101.
kevala , f. {I} (later {A}) exclusive, belonging only to (gen. or dat.);
alone, simple, pure, mere; whole, entire, each, all. --- n. adv. only. {na
kevalam} -- {api} not only--but also.
But can celibacy make one feel sick, especially around the prostata?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??
I don't know enough to disagree. I didn't know what either were so looked them
up out of curiosity. Your belief is consistent with a non-dual paradigm. On
these sacred pictures, which half is male and which half is female?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Beautiful photo, Emily and to Richard too, this dualism is certainly true of
one level of reality. But I'll go with Maharishi on this and he has explained
that even in every cell of our body, at the deepest level, Purusha IS Prakriti.
This is sometimes depicted by those sacred pictures from India in which one
half of the body is male and one half is female.
On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:28 PM, emilymaenot@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
This description considers them separate, reflective of a dualistic
philosophy.
In the Samkhya tradition there is purusha and there is prakriti, and these
two are as separate as the clockmaker and the clock. Purusha is the soul, the
Self, pure consciousness, and the only source of consciousness. The word
literally means man. Prakriti is that which is created. It is nature in all
her aspects. Prakriti literally means creatrix, the female creative energy.
Purusha Prakriti http://www.yinyoga.com/ys1_4.1.1_purusha_prakriti.php
http://www.yinyoga.com/ys1_4.1.1_purusha_prakriti.php
Purusha Prakriti http://www.yinyoga.com/ys1_4.1.1_purusha_prakriti.php
Purusha Prakriti Samkhya and the Classical Yoga of the Yoga Sutras are
dualistic philosophies. Very few yoga teachers today realize this.
View on www.yinyoga.com
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Richard, I still disagree with you about this alleged separation of Purusha
and Prakriti being the ultimate goal of yoga. Maybe it's a temporary goal but I
think the ultimate goal is to realize that Purusha IS Prakriti. Even in this
quote, the word power I think, refers to Prakriti. So the quote is saying that
Prakriti settles into Purusha.
On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:12 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@...
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
The goal of Raja yoga is kaivalya (isolation) of the Purusha from the prakriti.
Or, to look from another angle, the power of pure consciousness settles in
its own pure nature. — Kaivalya Pada: Sutra 35.
On 6/1/2014 4:27 PM, cardemaister@... mailto:cardemaister@... [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Wikipedia:
The English word celibacy derives from the Latin caelibatus, state of being
unmarried, from Latin caelebs, meaning unmarried. This word derives from two
Proto-Indo-European http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_language
stems, *kaiwelo- alone and *lib(h)s- living.[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celibacy#cite_note-7
kaivalya n. (fr. %{ke4vala}) , isolation Va1m. ; absolute unity Veda7ntas.
BhP. ; perfect isolation , abstraction , detachment from all other connections
, detachment of the soul from matter or further transmigrations , beatitude
MBh. KapS. Sa1m2khyak. c. ; for %{vaikalya} Ra1jat. vii , 1149 ; (mf(%{A})n.)
leading to eternal happiness or emancipation MBh. xiii , 1101.
kevala , f. {I} (later {A}) exclusive, belonging only to (gen. or dat.);
alone, simple, pure, mere; whole, entire, each, all. --- n. adv. only. {na
kevalam} -- {api} not only--but also.
But can celibacy make one feel sick, especially around the prostata?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??
Emily if you google on ShivaShakti, you'll get some images which I don't know
how to post. Male on right...
On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:50 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
I don't know enough to disagree. I didn't know what either were so looked them
up out of curiosity. Your belief is consistent with a non-dual paradigm. On
these sacred pictures, which half is male and which half is female?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Beautiful photo, Emily and to Richard too, this dualism is certainly true of
one level of reality. But I'll go with Maharishi on this and he has explained
that even in every cell of our body, at the deepest level, Purusha IS Prakriti.
This is sometimes depicted by those sacred pictures from India in which one
half of the body is male and one half is female.
On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:28 PM, emilymaenot@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
This description considers them separate, reflective of a dualistic philosophy.
In the Samkhya tradition there is purusha and there is prakriti, and these two
are as separate as the clockmaker and the clock. Purusha is the soul, the Self,
pure consciousness, and the only source of consciousness. The word literally
means man. Prakriti is that which is created. It is nature in all her
aspects. Prakriti literally means creatrix, the female creative energy.
Purusha Prakriti
Purusha Prakriti
Purusha Prakriti Samkhya and the Classical Yoga of the Yoga Sutras are
dualistic
philosophies. Very few yoga teachers today
realize this.
View on www.yinyoga.comPreview by Yahoo
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Richard, I still disagree with you about this alleged separation of Purusha and
Prakriti being the ultimate goal of
yoga. Maybe it's a temporary goal but I think the ultimate goal is to realize
that Purusha IS Prakriti. Even in this quote, the word power I think, refers
to Prakriti. So the quote is saying that Prakriti settles into Purusha.
On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:12 PM, 'Richard J. Williams'
punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
The goal of Raja yoga is kaivalya
(isolation) of the Purusha from the prakriti.
Or, to look from another angle, the power of pure
consciousness settles in its own pure nature. — Kaivalya
Pada: Sutra 35.
On 6/1/2014 4:27 PM, cardemaister@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Wikipedia:
The English word celibacy derives from the Latin caelibatus,
state of being unmarried, from Latin caelebs,
meaning unmarried. This word derives from two Proto-Indo-European stems,
*kaiwelo- alone and *lib(h)s- living.[7]
kaivalya n. (fr. %{ke4vala}) , isolation
Va1m. ; absolute unity Veda7ntas. BhP. ; perfect
isolation , abstraction , detachment from all other
connections , detachment of the soul from matter or
further transmigrations , beatitude MBh. KapS.
Sa1m2khyak. c. ; for %{vaikalya} Ra1jat. vii ,
1149 ; (mf(%{A})n.) leading to eternal happiness or
emancipation MBh. xiii , 1101.
kevala , f. {I} (later {A}) exclusive, belonging only to (gen. or
dat.); alone, simple, pure, mere; whole, entire, each, all. --- n.
adv. only. {na kevalam} -- {api} not only--but also.
But can celibacy make one feel sick, especially around
the prostata?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts
On 6/1/2014 8:09 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Succinctly and beautifully written, Richard, thank you. If you are going to achieve consistent, meaningful results in your quest for defensive self-culture, you are going to have to cultivate a series of specialized habits, for habits are the only things you can count on retaining in the face of strong resistance. /Get the right mental habits, cultivate physical culture, practice meditation 2 x 20 and nothing can stop your progress toward your goal./ According to my martial arts teacher, Sensei Randall Bassett, /We have a way of not realizing what is occurring within our own minds in moments of heavy stress; and this helps to explain why we so often tend to yield to irrational responses in the face of such threat - responses that a knowledgeable opponent will use against us./ The historical Buddha, Gotama, in his youth was a master of the martial arts and he testified countless times to the difficulty involved in gaining habit-level skill, or mindfulness. In many respects there is no greater threat than stress and fatique and the resistance of your own mental inertia and lethargy. Work cited: 'Zen Karate' By Randall Bassett Warner Books, 1975 Paper. 238 p. Illustrated with 161 line drawings. p. 146 On Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:52 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com mailto:turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white belt is the rank you are given as a beginner. A white belt is the belt you get when you buy a karate uniform. The first class I attended was when my parents were stationed in Japan in 1959 in the USAF. What is important in martial arts isn't the clothing you wear or your rank at a dojo - what is important is self control which /begins in the mind/. An effective self defense is greatly a function of our awareness of the surroundings in the outside world; our ability to control the content of our mind under stress; and our ability to remove ourselves as a target by our behavior and mindset. Most instructors only give lip service to mental preparation such as meditation and spend more time discussing physical tactics. Self defense is as much mental as physical. http://www.avast.com/ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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I thought it might be cribbed too, but couldn't find it. Richard! Be honest! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Hate to say it, but a lot of what he wrote was cribbed from an Amazon reader review of a book on karate: http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649 http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649 Check out the review by H. Asbury. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Succinctly and beautifully written, Richard, thank you. On Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:52 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white belt is the rank you are given as a beginner. A white belt is the belt you get when you buy a karate uniform. The first class I attended was when my parents were stationed in Japan in 1959 in the USAF. What is important in martial arts isn't the clothing you wear or your rank at a dojo - what is important is self control which begins in the mind. An effective self defense is greatly a function of our awareness of the surroundings in the outside world; our ability to control the content of our mind under stress; and our ability to remove ourselves as a target by our behavior and mindset. Most instructors only give lip service to mental preparation such as meditation and spend more time discussing physical tactics. Self defense is as much mental as physical. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??
On 6/1/2014 8:18 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Richard, I still disagree with you about this alleged separation of
Purusha and Prakriti being the ultimate goal of yoga. Maybe it's a
temporary goal but I think the ultimate goal is to realize that
Purusha IS Prakriti. Even in this quote, the word power I think,
refers to Prakriti. So the quote is saying that Prakriti settles into
Purusha.
Kaivalya is the ultimate goal of Raja yoga and means solitude,
detachment or isolation, a vrddhi-derivation from kevala alone,
isolated. It is the isolation of purusha from prakrti, and subsequent
liberation from rebirth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaivalya
On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:12 PM, 'Richard J. Williams'
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
The goal of Raja yoga is kaivalya (isolation) of the Purusha from the
prakriti.
/Or, to look from another angle, the power of pure consciousness
settles in its own pure nature./ — Kaivalya Pada: Sutra 35.
On 6/1/2014 4:27 PM, cardemais...@yahoo.com
mailto:cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Wikipedia:
The English word /celibacy/ derives from the Latin /caelibatus/,
state of being unmarried, from Latin /caelebs/, meaning
unmarried. This word derives from two Proto-Indo-European
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_language stems,
*kaiwelo- alone and *lib(h)s- living.^[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celibacy#cite_note-7
*kaivalya* n. (fr. %{ke4vala}) , isolation Va1m. ; absolute unity
Veda7ntas. BhP. ; perfect isolation , abstraction , detachment from
all other connections , detachment of the soul from matter or further
transmigrations , beatitude MBh. KapS. Sa1m2khyak. c. ; for
%{vaikalya} Ra1jat. vii , 1149 ; (mf(%{A})n.) leading to eternal
happiness or emancipation MBh. xiii , 1101.
*kevala* , f. {I} (later {A}) exclusive, belonging only to (gen. or
dat.); alone, simple, pure, mere; whole, entire, each, all. --- n.
adv. only. {na kevalam} -- {api} not only--but also.
But can celibacy make one feel sick, especially around the prostata?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??
You can post the link, right? I was just teasing...:)
This guy who developed Yin Yoga, Bernie Clark, is pretty funny.
The union of purusha and prakriti was a horrible mistake. This unfortunate
marriage should never have happened. The only remedy: a fast and thorough
divorce! Like Brer Rabbit, the only way to be freed from the Tar Baby is to be
thrown into the briar patch where we can scrape off prakriti and finally free
ourselves. The briar patch is the practice of yoga.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Emily if you google on ShivaShakti, you'll get some images which I don't know
how to post. Male on right...
On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:50 PM, emilymaenot@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
I don't know enough to disagree. I didn't know what either were so looked
them up out of curiosity. Your belief is consistent with a non-dual
paradigm. On these sacred pictures, which half is male and which half is
female?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Beautiful photo, Emily and to Richard too, this dualism is certainly true of
one level of reality. But I'll go with Maharishi on this and he has explained
that even in every cell of our body, at the deepest level, Purusha IS Prakriti.
This is sometimes depicted by those sacred pictures from India in which one
half of the body is male and one half is female.
On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:28 PM, emilymaenot@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
This description considers them separate, reflective of a dualistic
philosophy.
In the Samkhya tradition there is purusha and there is prakriti, and these
two are as separate as the clockmaker and the clock. Purusha is the soul, the
Self, pure consciousness, and the only source of consciousness. The word
literally means man. Prakriti is that which is created. It is nature in all
her aspects. Prakriti literally means creatrix, the female creative energy.
Purusha Prakriti http://www.yinyoga.com/ys1_4.1.1_purusha_prakriti.php
http://www.yinyoga.com/ys1_4.1.1_purusha_prakriti.php
Purusha Prakriti http://www.yinyoga.com/ys1_4.1.1_purusha_prakriti.php
Purusha Prakriti Samkhya and the Classical Yoga of the Yoga Sutras are
dualistic philosophies. Very few yoga teachers today realize this.
View on www.yinyoga.com http://www.yinyoga.com/ys1_4.1.1_purusha_prakriti.php
Preview by Yahoo
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Richard, I still disagree with you about this alleged separation of Purusha
and Prakriti being the ultimate goal of yoga. Maybe it's a temporary goal but I
think the ultimate goal is to realize that Purusha IS Prakriti. Even in this
quote, the word power I think, refers to Prakriti. So the quote is saying that
Prakriti settles into Purusha.
On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:12 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@...
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
The goal of Raja yoga is kaivalya (isolation) of the Purusha from the prakriti.
Or, to look from another angle, the power of pure consciousness settles in
its own pure nature. — Kaivalya Pada: Sutra 35.
On 6/1/2014 4:27 PM, cardemaister@... mailto:cardemaister@... [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Wikipedia:
The English word celibacy derives from the Latin caelibatus, state of being
unmarried, from Latin caelebs, meaning unmarried. This word derives from two
Proto-Indo-European http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_language
stems, *kaiwelo- alone and *lib(h)s- living.[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celibacy#cite_note-7
kaivalya n. (fr. %{ke4vala}) , isolation Va1m. ; absolute unity Veda7ntas.
BhP. ; perfect isolation , abstraction , detachment from all other connections
, detachment of the soul from matter or further transmigrations , beatitude
MBh. KapS. Sa1m2khyak. c. ; for %{vaikalya} Ra1jat. vii , 1149 ; (mf(%{A})n.)
leading to eternal happiness or emancipation MBh. xiii , 1101.
kevala , f. {I} (later {A}) exclusive, belonging only to (gen. or dat.);
alone, simple, pure, mere; whole, entire, each, all. --- n. adv. only. {na
kevalam} -- {api} not only--but also.
But can celibacy make one feel sick, especially around the prostata?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts
Sad. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : I thought it might be cribbed too, but couldn't find it. Richard! Be honest! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Hate to say it, but a lot of what he wrote was cribbed from an Amazon reader review of a book on karate: http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649 http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649 Check out the review by H. Asbury. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Succinctly and beautifully written, Richard, thank you. On Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:52 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white belt is the rank you are given as a beginner. A white belt is the belt you get when you buy a karate uniform. The first class I attended was when my parents were stationed in Japan in 1959 in the USAF. What is important in martial arts isn't the clothing you wear or your rank at a dojo - what is important is self control which begins in the mind. An effective self defense is greatly a function of our awareness of the surroundings in the outside world; our ability to control the content of our mind under stress; and our ability to remove ourselves as a target by our behavior and mindset. Most instructors only give lip service to mental preparation such as meditation and spend more time discussing physical tactics. Self defense is as much mental as physical. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??
On 6/1/2014 8:36 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: this dualism is certainly true of one level of reality. But I'll go with Maharishi on this and he has explained that even in every cell of our body, at the deepest level, Purusha IS Prakriti. Purusha has the /appearance/ of being the same as Purusha - the key word here is appears. Advaita (not-two in Sanskrit) refers to the identity of the true Self, Atman, which is /pure consciousness/, and the highest Reality, Brahman, which is also pure consciousness. According to Gaudapada, the Absolute is not subject to birth, change and death. The Absolute is aja, the unborn eternal. The empirical world of appearances, prakriti, is considered unreal, and not absolutely existent. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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Now Share knows who to attribute to her opinion that it was succinctly and beautifully written. smile ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Sad. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : I thought it might be cribbed too, but couldn't find it. Richard! Be honest! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Hate to say it, but a lot of what he wrote was cribbed from an Amazon reader review of a book on karate: http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649 http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649 Check out the review by H. Asbury. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Succinctly and beautifully written, Richard, thank you. On Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:52 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white belt is the rank you are given as a beginner. A white belt is the belt you get when you buy a karate uniform. The first class I attended was when my parents were stationed in Japan in 1959 in the USAF. What is important in martial arts isn't the clothing you wear or your rank at a dojo - what is important is self control which begins in the mind. An effective self defense is greatly a function of our awareness of the surroundings in the outside world; our ability to control the content of our mind under stress; and our ability to remove ourselves as a target by our behavior and mindset. Most instructors only give lip service to mental preparation such as meditation and spend more time discussing physical tactics. Self defense is as much mental as physical. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
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On 6/1/2014 8:44 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Hate to say it, but a lot of what he wrote was cribbed from an Amazon reader review of a book on karate: http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649 Check out the review by H. Asbury. Check out this review of /Zen Karate/, by Randall Basset, which I posted in 2000, seven years before the review by H. Asbury. Do you have any comments to post on martial arts? Go figure. Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Thread: TM and Self Defense Subject: A treatise on managing internal energies in adversity. Author: willytex Date: 11/14/2000 http://tinyurl.com/ohqeudm --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
I forget Sal, who is it that claims TM did not, of does not have some cultish elements about it? I mean, I know you have a minor orgasm when you come upon some new example. I left before the Robin Carlson period, but I imagine he created quite a challenge to the existing structure. So, I am not surprised that the powers that be felt alarmed. Can you imagine a similar thing happening with any other teacher? Name one. Name any. How would it have played out? What about Rama if someone emerged to present a significant challenge? On the other hand, the separation of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar was, by all appearances, an amicable parting. So how do you explain that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : How to tell if you're in a cult #75 Seems rather fragile this invincibility, eh? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I was talking to my Kentucky friend Bob the other day. Bob was MIU for eight years total, as a student for most of them, but he worked on staff from time to time. This is what he told me. Yeah I was there during the Robin Carlsen years. I went to see him once, just once, out of curiosity really. And it was interesting, but he was kinda strange I thought. He was kinda strange. Now one thing, he did have some energy, no question about it. He looked directly in my eyes and man I felt like he was peering into all the deep dark stuff that was in there, you know? But he was really kinda strange, and from what I could see of his stuff, well he was doing exorcisms is what he was really doing with people. But anyway I only went that one time, and that was the only time I saw him except for the time he came to a Charlie Lutes talk and I was there. But anyway, I went back on campus after the Robin Carlsen thing, and went to work the next day like usual, I was working the in press at that time and about half way through the day a guy comes in and says Bob, the Ad Council wants to see you. So I said ok and man, there were a few guys in the press that day, and none of 'em would look me straight in the eye, they all had these hang dog looks on their faces and would only look at me out of the sides of their eyes. So I followed this guy on over to where they were waiting for me, and I walk in the room and there is Bill Rist, Mario Orsati and James Beddinger. There was one other guy there too, but I can't remember who it was. They sit me down and started in on the interrogation. They asked me all kinds of questions about my going to see Robin, but the main thing they kept asking me over and over was Do you believe in him? So I told 'em what I knew they wanted to hear, like I thought he was flakey and I just went that one time out of curiosity and stuff like that. I guess I satisfied them, cause they didn't kick me out, but they sure did give me some lectures about how I needed to be careful about what I did as a staff or student and I needed to be careful about my behavior and my thinking. And that was the end of it, except that after that every time I saw James around campus he would give me these looks, you know, like I'm watching you boy! kind of looks. And I swear, you know I am a big and was a big Charlie Lutes fan so whenever Charlie would come anywhere close to Fairfield, I would always go see him. But after that meeting with Bill Rist and Mario and James, ever after that when I would come back on campus after seeing Charlie, there would come James. It didn't matter if I was headed to my room or the dining hall or student union, or wherever I would be, just a few minutes after getting back on campus, James would come walking by. He would just say hello, but I knew he was letting me know he knew I had gone to see Charlie. The other thing that happened was from then on any time I applied for a course of any kind, WPA or whatever my application was always held up and I had to answer questions about going to see Robin Carlsen that one time. And that went on while I was staff and student and for years after, even when I would apply to go to a WPA in Louisville or someplace, they have always asked me about going to see Robin.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts
our ability to control the content of our mind under stress; and our ability to remove ourselves as a target by our behavior and mindset. On 6/1/2014 9:07 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Sad. You are supposed to read the messages BEFORE you post your comments. According to the philosophy of Self-defense, the best self-defense is to have no enemies. Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Thread: TM and Self Defense Subject: A treatise on managing internal energies in adversity. Author: willytex Date: 11/14/2000 http://tinyurl.com/ohqeudm ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : I thought it might be cribbed too, but couldn't find it. Richard! Be honest! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Hate to say it, but a lot of what he wrote was cribbed from an Amazon reader review of a book on karate: http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649 Check out the review by H. Asbury. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Succinctly and beautifully written, Richard, thank you. On Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:52 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white belt is the rank you are given as a beginner. A white belt is the belt you get when you buy a karate uniform. The first class I attended was when my parents were stationed in Japan in 1959 in the USAF. What is important in martial arts isn't the clothing you wear or your rank at a dojo - what is important is self control which /begins in the mind/. An effective self defense is greatly a function of our awareness of the surroundings in the outside world; our ability to control the content of our mind under stress; and our ability to remove ourselves as a target by our behavior and mindset. Most instructors only give lip service to mental preparation such as meditation and spend more time discussing physical tactics. Self defense is as much mental as physical. http://www.avast.com/ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
