Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had nothing to do with FFL per se. Yo Judy! Alive and kicking, that's nice to hear. Unless John's horoscope was right and you got reincarnated as the same thing! Actually, that's the most disappointing thing. All this time away, and she's still just as petty and self-obsessed as ever. One would have hoped there would have been progress of some kind... I was just going to comment on a different thread again that Buck and Willy's posts are always identical, like the record is well and truly scratched and will repeat forever in some sort of demented closed groove. But I couldn't be bothered for fear of falling into the sane trap myself. Maybe this is why so many people don't post to FFL any more, there's only so many times you can read the same thing?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had nothing to do with FFL per se. Yo Judy! Alive and kicking, that's nice to hear. Unless John's horoscope was right and you got reincarnated as the same thing! Actually, that's the most disappointing thing. All this time away, and she's still just as petty and self-obsessed as ever. One would have hoped there would have been progress of some kind...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Coffee
The only Starbucks in my town is at the central train station. Almost no one
goes there because in the Netherlands almost every cafe can make a better cup
of coffee and literally every cafe has better ambiance. Just goes to show ya
that "globalization" only works if the globe wants what you're sellin'...
From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:54 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Free Coffee
I happened to be at a Starbucks today, and the registers had just stopped
working even though they were still turned on. I got a free coffee. The barista
was on the phone with their technical help and said the network system had
somehow gone down. Saved me a small bit of cash. They put a sign on the store
that they could serve no more.
The news later this evening: Starbucks: Computer Outage Disrupts Sales in US,
Canada
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[FairfieldLife] Free Coffee
I happened to be at a Starbucks today, and the registers had just stopped working even though they were still turned on. I got a free coffee. The barista was on the phone with their technical help and said the network system had somehow gone down. Saved me a small bit of cash. They put a sign on the store that they could serve no more. The news later this evening: Starbucks: Computer Outage Disrupts Sales in US, Canada http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/starbucks-reports-register-outage-stores-us-canada-30571933 http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/starbucks-reports-register-outage-stores-us-canada-30571933 Starbucks: Computer Outage Disrupts Sales in US, Canada http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/starbucks-reports-register-outage-stores-us-canada-30571933 A computer outage affecting sales registers disrupted sales Friday at 8,000 company-operated Starbucks stores in the United States and Canada. Stores ... Starbucks: Computer Outage Disrupts Sales in US, Canada http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/starbucks-reports-register-outage-stores-us-canada-30571933 http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/starbucks-reports-register-outage-stores-us-canada-30571933 Starbucks: Computer Outage Disrupts Sales in US, Canada http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/starbucks-reports-register-outage-stores-us-canada-30571933 A computer outage affecting sales registers disrupted sales Friday at 8,000 company-operated Starbucks stores in the United States and Canada. Stores ... View on abcnews.go.com http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/starbucks-reports-register-outage-stores-us-canada-30571933 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Free Coffee
I happened to be at a Starbucks today, and the registers had just stopped working even though they were still turned on. I got a free coffee. The barista was on the phone with their technical help and said the network system had somehow gone down. Saved me a small bit of cash. They put a sign on the store that that could serve no more. The news later this evening: Starbucks: Computer Outage Disrupts Sales in US, Canada http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/starbucks-reports-register-outage-stores-us-canada-30571933 http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/starbucks-reports-register-outage-stores-us-canada-30571933 Starbucks: Computer Outage Disrupts Sales in US, Canada http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/starbucks-reports-register-outage-stores-us-canada-30571933 A computer outage affecting sales registers disrupted sales Friday at 8,000 company-operated Starbucks stores in the United States and Canada. Stores ... View on abcnews.go.com http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/starbucks-reports-register-outage-stores-us-canada-30571933 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Gallipoli
My soul tires reading this.. Gallipoli centenary: Australia and New Zealand mark Anzac Day The events throughout Saturday will mark the centenary of the landing of Australian and New Zealand Army Corps (Anzacs) at Gallipoli on Anzac Day. Gallipoli, one of World War One's bloodiest campaigns. About 131,000 - made up of 45,000 Allied forces and 86,000 from Turkey - died in the campaign. Gallipoli centenary: Australia and New Zealand mark Anzac Day - BBC News http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32459375 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32459375 Gallipoli centenary: Australia and New Zealand mark Anz... http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32459375 Australia and New Zealand hold dawn ceremonies in Turkey in honour of soldiers who fought at Gallipoli 100 years ago. View on www.bbc.com http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32459375 Preview by Yahoo Buck Brannaman Horse Riding and Training Notes https://sites.google.com/site/buckbrannamanhorseridingnotes/ https://sites.google.com/site/buckbrannamanhorseridingnotes/ Buck Brannaman Horse Riding and Training Notes https://sites.google.com/site/buckbrannamanhorseridingnotes/ Buck Brannaman Horse Riding and Training Clinic Notes. Horse training for western cowboy, dressage, natural horsmanship, trail riding. View on sites.google.com https://sites.google.com/site/buckbrannamanhorseridingnotes/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Yeah, thanks, Judy, for pointing out the pure made-up malicious bullshit, dishonesty and malice on FFL. So, it has been now established that "aryvazhi" posted at least seven lies about Judy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Judy, take care. Thank you for putting in a good word. Best regards, Emily ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : aryavazhi wrote, in part: ...Just remember Judy, not being in contact with the movement at all, having had 1 1/2 TM courses in her life, I don't really know what "1 1/2 TM courses" could mean, but for the record, I took the basic TM course, the TM-Sidhis course, the mini-SCI course, a self-pulse-reading course, and a couple of dozen residence courses and WPAs (some week-long). I've mentioned them all here at one time or another. refusing to get even advanced techniques because she was afraid of telling her mantra aloud, This is pure made-up malicious bullshit. I have an advanced technique and would have gotten more if I'd had the extra cash at the appropriate times. never having seen Maharishi herself, but playing the game of being the most faithful for years, I haven't played any games here, and I'm obviously "not the most faithful"; I have said many times that I loathe the movement and have criticized elements of Maharishi's teaching and of his personal life. until a Robin came, who, with a schizophrenic combination of faithful TMer and anti-Hindu cleric, He wasn't schizophrenic, he was rabidly anti-TM (not sure what "anti-Hindu cleric" means). just blew her away like nothing? And the going on defending Robin and TM? Robin was the target of many attacks, most of them unfair and many of them malicious. As his friend, I defended him. I've done likewise with TM. So what? And who misses her? Quite a few, judging by my email. Those whome she abused most, Buck and Willy, what a show I've criticized both of them on occasion but nowhere near as often as I have some others here (including yourself). I did a search, and Buck has hardly mentioned me since I stopped posting. Willytex invokes me frequently, not because he misses me but in the hope of annoying those I've criticized in the past. BFD. A fine show of dishonesty and malice, aryavazhi. So spiritual. Barry and his acolytes can relax, BTW. I have no intention of starting to post regularly again. I've peeked in now and then to see what was happening; I haven't bothered to correct Barry's lies about me because you all know that's just what he does. But you may not know aryavazhi is a liar as well, so I thought I should make that clear. If he responds to this, it will almost certainly be with more lies. Judy P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had nothing to do with FFL per se.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ethical Behavior and Culpability
There's just no way that the Maharishi could compare to all your accomplishments, MJ - like cutting the grass and stuff. LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Grass is cut, so I concede that Marshy did show some self effacing humility in the early days of his world wide life long sojourn. But that self effacing quality went away after a few years. This showed itself in many ways, especially in the last 10 years he was on earth. I honestly feel he was a fraud and a self aggrandizing huckster who was really almost another P.T. Barnum selling his Hindu flavored nostrums and vedic side shows of yagyas and hopping on foam for world peace. I also believe that the energy with which he created the Movement (which was one of fraud and deception) is perpetuating itself and that his leaders both large and small throughout the Movement follow in his footsteps energetically both consciously and unconsciously in their furtherance of fraudulent programs and in their own self aggrandizing efforts (both for themselves and the Movement) and in their deceptive energy and practices. Apple don't fall far from the tree and what they learned from him they feel is ok to do. From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 12:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ethical Behavior and Culpability MJ, in watching I feel this is an interesting point about ethical conduct you are making about these guys or that narrower group of people in the movement community. Maharishi often withheld himself out of lineage of the guru tradition in a separation by a means of a stop with his deferring to Brahmananda Saraswati and that line through vedic masters going back through Shankara and beyond to rishis before. Maharishi was really consistent with this, for whatever reasons around culpability. As Maharishi came to the West it used to be that Maharishi was quick to deflect people trying to 'pedestal' him, where he'd be walking through an airport and meditators meeting him would try to go to their knees before him, he would curtly nip that. At a point on a course I was on with Maharishi, the tru-believer types of the faith-based side of the movement conspired to have the whole group sing a puja in a way that it was done 'to' Maharishi as he arrived for a meeting. Oh was he annoyed with that positioning, with a look like the children had done something really wrong. The TM puja as we were taught it by M is an alignment straight to Shankara through Brahmananda Saraswati. Maharishi is not in the puja. Well, Maharishi left the course and did not return for that nuttiness. He had come to that meeting to deliver a discourse on Patanjali, which he did give for the camera. It was a fabulous lecture elucidating on the Yoga Sutras. But he left after the lecture. The tru-believers were warned ahead of that as they planned the choreography of the group singing the Puja to M, but did it anyway. It really bombed, going over like the proverbial lead-balloon. But Maharishi and the secular TM movement he created out in the world do have their own leg on flow charts of the Vedic tradition and Western spirituality as transcendentalism in counter-point to materialism and formalism. Though now, at this point the tru-believers have painted Maharishi in to the bottom of the holy tradition picture on stage. Eventually they might proly have themselves painted in to the picture as apostles. That is ego and you proly won't be able to stop them particularly. On the flowcharts of history the TM movement is proly not going to go entirely away anytime soon or go to ashes. The technique is way too good in ways in itself and may well outlive the organization probably regardless of the ethics of the people involved. Time will give the perspective. I do feel you raise a good point though and it will be interesting to see who will be able to some day speak calmly to it from within the movement with perspective. JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I guess it all depends how you want to look at it. Certainly if thoughts and emotions have any sort of energy, particularly those thoughts and feelings that recur and those that alter our behavior then it sure looks like a hook or some such. It has taken me a long time to get free of it all, even years after I thought I put it all behind me. Marshy sure was a con artist and so are his TM Movement leaders, really all the TB'ers are who are in the Movement. I mean all of the Bob Schneider, Bob Roth, Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, all of them. Some like Big Bopper Bevan and that damnable Neil Patterson seem more egregious in their behavior but they all perpetuate the fraud. It will be a grand day when the Movement is reduced to ashes at least here in the US.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Judy, take care. Thank you for putting in a good word. Best regards, Emily ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : aryavazhi wrote, in part: ...Just remember Judy, not being in contact with the movement at all, having had 1 1/2 TM courses in her life, I don't really know what "1 1/2 TM courses" could mean, but for the record, I took the basic TM course, the TM-Sidhis course, the mini-SCI course, a self-pulse-reading course, and a couple of dozen residence courses and WPAs (some week-long). I've mentioned them all here at one time or another. refusing to get even advanced techniques because she was afraid of telling her mantra aloud, This is pure made-up malicious bullshit. I have an advanced technique and would have gotten more if I'd had the extra cash at the appropriate times. never having seen Maharishi herself, but playing the game of being the most faithful for years, I haven't played any games here, and I'm obviously "not the most faithful"; I have said many times that I loathe the movement and have criticized elements of Maharishi's teaching and of his personal life. until a Robin came, who, with a schizophrenic combination of faithful TMer and anti-Hindu cleric, He wasn't schizophrenic, he was rabidly anti-TM (not sure what "anti-Hindu cleric" means). just blew her away like nothing? And the going on defending Robin and TM? Robin was the target of many attacks, most of them unfair and many of them malicious. As his friend, I defended him. I've done likewise with TM. So what? And who misses her? Quite a few, judging by my email. Those whome she abused most, Buck and Willy, what a show I've criticized both of them on occasion but nowhere near as often as I have some others here (including yourself). I did a search, and Buck has hardly mentioned me since I stopped posting. Willytex invokes me frequently, not because he misses me but in the hope of annoying those I've criticized in the past. BFD. A fine show of dishonesty and malice, aryavazhi. So spiritual. Barry and his acolytes can relax, BTW. I have no intention of starting to post regularly again. I've peeked in now and then to see what was happening; I haven't bothered to correct Barry's lies about me because you all know that's just what he does. But you may not know aryavazhi is a liar as well, so I thought I should make that clear. If he responds to this, it will almost certainly be with more lies. Judy P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had nothing to do with FFL per se.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Odd news story of the day...
So, in your old age you've been thinking about this a lot. LoL!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
I honestly don't know what's more pathetic -- hiring strippers to perform at
your funeral to draw a bigger crowd, or spending your last days trying to
convince your sycophants to "erect" a bunch of phallic symbols with your name
on them ("Maharishi Towers of Invincibility") all over the world to perpetuate
your memory.
From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 10:46 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Odd news story of the day...
Beijing cracks down on 'uncivilised' strip shows at funerals
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/funeral-strippers-beijing-cracks-down-on-uncivilised-practice-of-using-exotic-dancers-to-attract-mourners-to-ceremonies-in-rural-china-10199606.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/funeral-strippers-beijing-cracks-down-on-uncivilised-practice-of-using-exotic-dancers-to-attract-mourners-to-ceremonies-in-rural-china-10199606.html
Beijing cracks down on 'uncivilised' strip shows...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/funeral-strippers-beijing-cracks-down-on-uncivilised-practice-of-using-exotic-dancers-to-attract-mourners-to-ceremonies-in-rural-china-10199606.html
Be kind. Try to live a virtuous life. Then, when the time comes, crowds may
come to your funeral. In rural China, apparently, it also helps to attract mo...
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[FairfieldLife] Re: "Wayward Pines" episode 1 available streaming
That's your name - "Edg"? I always thought that was an alias. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Name's spelled "Edg" -- no e. Thanks for the heads-up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Transcendent Activation
Activated alignment of spiritual energy in the subtle system in learning to meditate in a tradition can come with mastership -a master line. You betcha. The puja with its invocations shifts alignment to a tradition, invoking the tradition saying “come here, this is the person”, in grace. In the case of the TM puja it is not invoking MMY but back to a tradition. The experience then is activated in the subtle body and the soul. It is an amazing thing to be in the middle of. It is way different by experience than learning from reading a book or something. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Well yes, activated, that was my clear experience as I was taught to meditate. That was not an implant per se. Yes I read the classics and the transcendentalists before I learned to properly meditate and experience transcendence. Went to Methodist Church Sunday some as a kid growing up to see it. Quaker Meeting with my people. Let us posit 'yes' that some thing gets activated whence one transcends for sake of discussion for the moment. It clearly did for me when I sat with a geeky guy who did the puja and taught me to meditate. It was pretty clear from then. And, broaden for sake of discussion to simply learning an effective transcendent meditation then activating some things spiritual in people that are fine and okay. Did you listen to that interview by Rick of Karunamayi on Batgap.com? ..Okay, not every meditation is suited to everyone, it depends on the person but several paths lead in the same direction of refinement. But yes, an effective 'transcending' meditation and its experience changes things in the subtle bodies of the system. 'Implant' is the wrong word or connotation for that activation in the subtle system as spirituality in human experience. 'Implant' or 'hook' as signatures are too loaded of words. It is not science fiction or medical implant or hook. But yes joining a group may place an energetic implant as socio-psychologic hook as emotional or mental forms in the system; and some TM'ers, depending on the person, may have something of that which could be definable. Obviously depends on the person. But that is cultural and different from the activation that comes with an effective transcendent experience in the system and the two deserve to be sorted out from each other in discussion. It is a fair discussion. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Really good observation. Yep, is largely just natural law. A will as large Nature to reveal herself in human life. It is a flow in nature to experience itself. In human life that is what transcendentalism is and transcendentalists are about spiritually. Everyone will come to see it at least in the end. JaiGuruYou! Activated in the energy field of life it is nothing you'll get rid of. Even the 'anti-TM'ers' and 'anti-cultists', as you say below. "Then, then, then I rose. Then first humanity triumphant passed the crystal ports of light, And seized eternal youth. Man, all immortal, hail, hail! Heaven, all lavish of strange gifts to man, Thine's all the glory, man's the boundless bliss." aryavazhi writes: I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met some kind of a clearvoyant, telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants, from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so. But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping formal TM would make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts and ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces, expectations, even in the subconscious. I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts, which were like hooks clinging to me. I did this to an extend, so that I could feel happy, and not 'miss' anything of my old TM environment, instead enjoying my new life, and my new spiritual discoveries fully. (That's what about I told my friend) But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant, that still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. In fact, could this be one explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny they are TB), and anti-TMers alike are hooked to the same story? Infact could also anti-cultist be fighting the same implant, that TMers so vehemently defend? This is just a thought, I know, I will probably not get a lot of support for it, but could there be something to it?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
So, you and Saly have been having phantasies about Judy. LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Judy seems cagey about why she doesn't post anymore though. I think she either converted to Catholicism and is too embarrased to talk about it, Haha, I had similar phantasies, that she hang out with Robin, creating the Robin / Judy retro cult..or joining ISIS as a black widow. or she read one of those facebook epiphanies about not wasting your life on trivia and do something positive instead. Not very likely, because she was told the same here innumeral times, even by me, when we were still on good terms, but no chance of an insight. Anyway, I am glad she is alive and seems well, and is even able to emulate her old self. I wish her the best but not here on FFL. And she should do what the doctors say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Transcendent Implant
Activated alignment of spiritual energy in the subtle system in learning to meditate in a tradition comes with mastership -a master line. You betcha. The puja with its invocations shifts alignment to a tradition, invoking the tradition saying “come here, this is the person”, in grace. In the case of the TM puja it is not invoking MMY but back to a tradition. The experience then is activated in the subtle body and the soul. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Well yes, activated, that was my clear experience as I was taught to meditate. That was not an implant per se. Yes I read the classics and the transcendentalists before I learned to properly meditate and experience transcendence. Went to Methodist Church Sunday some as a kid growing up to see it. Quaker Meeting with my people. Let us posit 'yes' that some thing gets activated whence one transcends for sake of discussion for the moment. It clearly did for me when I sat with a geeky guy who did the puja and taught me to meditate. It was pretty clear from then. And, broaden for sake of discussion to simply learning an effective transcendent meditation then activating some things spiritual in people that are fine and okay. Did you listen to that interview by Rick of Karunamayi on Batgap.com? ..Okay, not every meditation is suited to everyone, it depends on the person but several paths lead in the same direction of refinement. But yes, an effective 'transcending' meditation and its experience changes things in the subtle bodies of the system. 'Implant' is the wrong word or connotation for that activation in the subtle system as spirituality in human experience. 'Implant' or 'hook' as signatures are too loaded of words. It is not science fiction or medical implant or hook. But yes joining a group may place an energetic implant as socio-psychologic hook as emotional or mental forms in the system; and some TM'ers, depending on the person, may have something of that which could be definable. Obviously depends on the person. But that is cultural and different from the activation that comes with an effective transcendent experience in the system and the two deserve to be sorted out from each other in discussion. It is a fair discussion. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Really good observation. Yep, is largely just natural law. A will as large Nature to reveal herself in human life. It is a flow in nature to experience itself. In human life that is what transcendentalism is and transcendentalists are about spiritually. Everyone will come to see it at least in the end. JaiGuruYou! Activated in the energy field of life it is nothing you'll get rid of. Even the 'anti-TM'ers' and 'anti-cultists', as you say below. "Then, then, then I rose. Then first humanity triumphant passed the crystal ports of light, And seized eternal youth. Man, all immortal, hail, hail! Heaven, all lavish of strange gifts to man, Thine's all the glory, man's the boundless bliss." aryavazhi writes: I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met some kind of a clearvoyant, telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants, from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so. But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping formal TM would make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts and ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces, expectations, even in the subconscious. I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts, which were like hooks clinging to me. I did this to an extend, so that I could feel happy, and not 'miss' anything of my old TM environment, instead enjoying my new life, and my new spiritual discoveries fully. (That's what about I told my friend) But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant, that still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. In fact, could this be one explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny they are TB), and anti-TMers alike are hooked to the same story? Infact could also anti-cultist be fighting the same implant, that TMers so vehemently defend? This is just a thought, I know, I will probably not get a lot of support for it, but could there be something to it?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Transcendent Implant
Me? I don't. You are making assumptions about me. Weighty Quakers transcend in practice from way back. I know that. I agree with Karunamayi in her recent interview with Rick Archer on BatGap.com, that not all meditations are right for all people. Buddhists get real good at it too. The irony of the alpha global-coherence argument the TM people make is that it ignores people's experience. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Since so-called transcending is a natural thing, meaning you just become aware of the energy you really are, what makes you think all meditations don't result in that experience, other than Marshy claiming perhaps that they don't? From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 1:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Transcendent Implant Well yes, activated, that was my clear experience as I was taught to meditate. That was not an implant per se. Yes I read the classics and the transcendentalists before I learned to properly meditate and experience transcendence. Went to Methodist Church Sunday some as a kid growing up to see it. Quaker Meeting with my people. Let us posit 'yes' that some thing gets activated whence one transcends for sake of discussion for the moment. It clearly did for me when I sat with a geeky guy who did the puja and taught me to meditate. It was pretty clear from then. And, broaden for sake of discussion to simply learning an effective transcendent meditation then activating some things spiritual in people that are fine and okay. Did you listen to that interview by Rick of Karunamayi on Batgap.com? ..Okay, not every meditation is suited to everyone, it depends on the person but several paths lead in the same direction of refinement. But yes, an effective 'transcending' meditation and its experience changes things in the subtle bodies of the system. 'Implant' is the wrong word or connotation for that activation in the subtle system as spirituality in human experience. 'Implant' or 'hook' as signatures are too loaded of words. It is not science fiction or medical implant or hook. But yes joining a group may place an energetic implant as socio-psychologic hook as emotional or mental forms in the system; and some TM'ers, depending on the person, may have something of that which could be definable. Obviously depends on the person. But that is cultural and different from the activation that comes with an effective transcendent experience in the system and the two deserve to be sorted out from each other in discussion. It is a fair discussion. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Really good observation. Yep, is largely just natural law. A will as large Nature to reveal herself in human life. It is a flow in nature to experience itself. In human life that is what transcendentalism is and transcendentalists are about spiritually. Everyone will come to see it at least in the end. JaiGuruYou! Activated in the energy field of life it is nothing you'll get rid of. Even the 'anti-TM'ers' and 'anti-cultists', as you say below. "Then, then, then I rose. Then first humanity triumphant passed the crystal ports of light, And seized eternal youth. Man, all immortal, hail, hail! Heaven, all lavish of strange gifts to man, Thine's all the glory, man's the boundless bliss." aryavazhi writes: I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met some kind of a clearvoyant, telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants, from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so. But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping formal TM would make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts and ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces, expectations, even in the subconscious. I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts, which were like hooks clinging to me. I did this to an extend, so that I could feel happy, and not 'miss' anything of my old TM environment, instead enjoying my new life, and my new spiritual discoveries fully. (That's what about I told my friend) But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant, that still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. In fact, could this be one explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny they are TB), and anti-TMers alike are hooked to the same story? Infact could also anti-cultist be fighting the same implant, that TMers so vehemently defend? This is just a thought, I know, I will probably not get a lot of support for it, but could there b
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Careful yes. Well, actually they have to be very careful. A cold wind blows from the Global Country of World Peace over the realm. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Nicely said. I find the TM teachers I know who are more deeply embedded in the movement are very careful about how they express themselves, and often cannot come up with satisfactory answers to weird questions because it is not in their memory database of Maharishi quotations. Particularly questions that come in from angles of other enlightenment systems. They fail the Turing test and sound like a machine. The more experienced teachers though do much better at this. I admit that devotion as some people seem to practice it is beyond my understanding. I feel some people are truly devoted, and others have to mimic it because that particular way of relating to the system was reinforced by everything Maharishi said. At some point I realised that the peculiarities of the movement all came from Maharishi, and there was no independent confirmation of those particular attitudes and ideas from other sources. If you search through lots of enlightenment traditions you can discover certain commonalities but the list is rather short, something on the order of quietness, curiosity, and persistence. Barry's recent post concerning the cult play book was pretty much spot on. A lot of cult behaviour I think is not really conscious as people pick it up without realising what is happening, and because it happened to me in more than one system, it has been a little easier to spot when I have gone off the rails of rationality. I like to think I was lucky in that I had some interesting experiences before I learned TM, and they helped guide me away from a lot of nonsense, but I was not completely successful in avoiding certain things, especially early on. I think of enlightenment as a problem to be solved, and there is certain information you need and certain things you may have to do, and the trick is to find what works for you by learning to discriminate. It is really ironic how one can search for freedom and end up in a kind of mental prison, the opposite of the goal one sought. Perhaps it is the comfort of a certain mental sameness of the people around you that is the driver of the religious mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count For the sake of there being material divergent view represented on FFL given the hostile climate that came over FFL I have volunteered here many times the voice of the tru-believer and for my effort have been heaped on in return with personal invective... Most of the people here probably went through a true-believer stage, at least to some extent... I don't know where we'd be without the clarity of your thinking Xeno. Interestingly, I had dinner with a few old movement friends the other night and we talked for the first time about beliefs and the TMO. I had assumed they were well into the movement still but only because we never talk about it, all of us having many other interests and I wouldn't care if they were or weren't real TBs unless they go on at me about it and they never do so it never came up. That should have given it away really as the TBs we've seen here can't help but go on about it endlessly like they are trying to convert the world still. Anyway, my friends were almost as sceptical as me and they all said they had a brief fling with true believerism but grew out of it after careful thought and checking how the movement worked and the how the long term program resulted in quite a few not so impressive cases. I was surprised but pleased, they shared my distaste for fanatics and agreed with my analysis that some of them are desperate for a strong view of reality to hold their own inner chaos in check. There has to be a reason some people just never get over the first flush of involvement with the TMO but a process of diving into the knowledge and then, as you say, judging and expanding beyond the limited POV of the movement seems to be something people go through regardless of exposure to sites like this I'm happy to say. I'm sure of what the aim of the Reesh was though and it wasn't transcending devotion to his worldview. Religions have at their basis a set of beliefs that define what it's all about. without them the religion would cease to exist so they have to be continually reinforced at the expense of reality to avoid disintegration of everything else they religion has come to mean to the adherents. This is the job of TM teachers as you are either on the bus or off it. But my friends scepticism reassures me that maybe a lot more people are going beyond the confines of Mar
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Nicely said. I find the TM teachers I know who are more deeply embedded in the movement are very careful about how they express themselves, and often cannot come up with satisfactory answers to weird questions because it is not in their memory database of Maharishi quotations. Particularly questions that come in from angles of other enlightenment systems. They fail the Turing test and sound like a machine. The more experienced teachers though do much better at this. I admit that devotion as some people seem to practice it is beyond my understanding. I feel some people are truly devoted, and others have to mimic it because that particular way of relating to the system was reinforced by everything Maharishi said. At some point I realised that the peculiarities of the movement all came from Maharishi, and there was no independent confirmation of those particular attitudes and ideas from other sources. If you search through lots of enlightenment traditions you can discover certain commonalities but the list is rather short, something on the order of quietness, curiosity, and persistence. Barry's recent post concerning the cult play book was pretty much spot on. A lot of cult behaviour I think is not really conscious as people pick it up without realising what is happening, and because it happened to me in more than one system, it has been a little easier to spot when I have gone off the rails of rationality. I like to think I was lucky in that I had some interesting experiences before I learned TM, and they helped guide me away from a lot of nonsense, but I was not completely successful in avoiding certain things, especially early on. I think of enlightenment as a problem to be solved, and there is certain information you need and certain things you may have to do, and the trick is to find what works for you by learning to discriminate. It is really ironic how one can search for freedom and end up in a kind of mental prison, the opposite of the goal one sought. Perhaps it is the comfort of a certain mental sameness of the people around you that is the driver of the religious mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count For the sake of there being material divergent view represented on FFL given the hostile climate that came over FFL I have volunteered here many times the voice of the tru-believer and for my effort have been heaped on in return with personal invective... Most of the people here probably went through a true-believer stage, at least to some extent... I don't know where we'd be without the clarity of your thinking Xeno. Interestingly, I had dinner with a few old movement friends the other night and we talked for the first time about beliefs and the TMO. I had assumed they were well into the movement still but only because we never talk about it, all of us having many other interests and I wouldn't care if they were or weren't real TBs unless they go on at me about it and they never do so it never came up. That should have given it away really as the TBs we've seen here can't help but go on about it endlessly like they are trying to convert the world still. Anyway, my friends were almost as sceptical as me and they all said they had a brief fling with true believerism but grew out of it after careful thought and checking how the movement worked and the how the long term program resulted in quite a few not so impressive cases. I was surprised but pleased, they shared my distaste for fanatics and agreed with my analysis that some of them are desperate for a strong view of reality to hold their own inner chaos in check. There has to be a reason some people just never get over the first flush of involvement with the TMO but a process of diving into the knowledge and then, as you say, judging and expanding beyond the limited POV of the movement seems to be something people go through regardless of exposure to sites like this I'm happy to say. I'm sure of what the aim of the Reesh was though and it wasn't transcending devotion to his worldview. Religions have at their basis a set of beliefs that define what it's all about. without them the religion would cease to exist so they have to be continually reinforced at the expense of reality to avoid disintegration of everything else they religion has come to mean to the adherents. This is the job of TM teachers as you are either on the bus or off it. But my friends scepticism reassures me that maybe a lot more people are going beyond the confines of Marshy's vedicism. Learning to see the world with your own eyes can only be a good thing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Collaboration in a type of, Love? In kindness to a creative process?Quite evidently thoughtful conversation takes a civil kind collaboration in self-control to have productive conversation. Some have done their poisonous work here with the communal well-spring.Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.The cultural place that was FFL seems to have been poisoned. The place evidently has died for lack of a willing collaboration as an oxygen that could include other points of view other than some caustic character of dominant internet haters and personalities in method. The cost to FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups has been the loss of a forum for communal thinking.A pervasive unkindness in ad hominem-istic snark parading as 'intellectual retort', it's the dominant 'culture' here at FFL now, as the evident lack in thoughtful community culture here. Folks otherwise have come instead to fear to spend their time thinking here reading let alone posting here. It is a sad commentary on how it has gone down for FFL. Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community.Salon, saloon or shalom; who would enter in to a place met with the likes of, “You Suck..” or “Fuck you” as first text lines or “You lying Fuck” as a subject heading? MJ, there was a long period of a poisonous malignancy here in the postings between a few people who came on before you came along and added to it in your way. FFL is just not a safe place for well-meaning people to loiter or join in hence most folks wandered out. Meditators and people around Fairfield here always go 'whew-phew' and roll their eyes about the reputation of FFL as a place for thoughtful dialogue whence FFL gets mentioned. FFL got wrecked a while ago as a community place that way. mjackson74 wrote, well Buck how do you account for the departure of all the people who used to post on FFL in the years before I joined? Looking back at the archives, there were a whole bunch of folk who had already dropped out before I came along, so the fact that Judy, Anne, Jimmy the Enlightened and Nappy Nabby jumped ship does not seem to be that much of a recent trend.Yep, even Rick chooses to post substantial material elsewhere now instead of posting to FFL as to just shark-feeding for what is left remaining of FFL. A long list of people is now gone before us who had once helped further the culture of the list, mostly been driven off by an aggressive and appalling unkindness of culture in the ongoing personal shark-like attack by the ad hominem that evidently has become endemic here; that seeming 'professionals' default to use in their writing method instead of simply dealing with material posed. And those same complain about originality, thinking and lack of creativity..Nothing to see here folks. Just another person trying to blame the fact that he and the people he likes can't think of anything intelligent to say on the people they don't like. :-)Good timing, Turqb,Left or driven off? This as your thinking is fine as intelligent retort on one level Anartaxius except, the low post and dwindled active member counts may show something else.Looking in on the culture of what is FFL now, is it a surprise the numbers have dropped off when there is so much about Fairfield or larger spiritual matter being talked about otherwise by others actively involved in it? No, it is like the well was poisoned here by some.Ironically there is an evident invective that is intolerance to conversation here and to divergent idea by a concentration of some few who remain active posting here.If could be we are just getting on with our lives. Now that most of the TB crazies have left, some of the tart, sharp conversation has dwindled, and there are less opportunities for intelligent retorts. I think you would have welcomed the change. 'Intelligent retort'?We've not been very good at discussion here for some time on FFL and the place as a forum is nearly dead.Yep, visiting looking back in on Fairfieldlife at yahoo-groups evidently this is mostly a sad inhospitable place rendered down to some pulp substance of travelogue, movie reviews and the personal bickerings of a few. Om, for what once was Fairfieldlife,Sooo, turns out that there WERE ZERO posts since last night.Just another tell that FFL is going down for the count.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
I have said so once or twice before when the Peak crowd was still active on FFL
but if you wanna, go ahead.
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
MJ,this takes a lot of courage to do given the climate on FFL and I admire
that. Contritionmaybe, but what of repentance? And the others here now?
Youracknowledgment though is a good start towards something better hereon FFL.
Would you like that I convey your apology here over to ourformer communal
members at The_Peak? I admire your out-front starton this, MJ. Best Regards,
MJ writing: “Grantedmany of us here including me sometimes went over the top
with namecalling and if I offended anyone I apologize,”
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
I disagree - if for example you are referring to people including me asking
Jimmy for proof he was enlightened other than his assertion in the face of the
cussing rants he would go on when challenged or in the face of someone saying
Marshy was a fraud. In light of his behavior I think such challenges were
warranted.
Same with common sense challenges to Nabby's assertions that Benjy Creme was
some sort of a high spiritual guru. I mean come on.
Granted many of us here including me sometimes went over the top with name
calling and if I offended anyone I apologize, except for the vile things I said
about Marshy which while harsh were all true.
From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
A push back, a kindcounter-offensive evidently was in order for all the damage
beingrendered in the reduced scope of communal discussion on our FFLcommunity
by a character of intolerant writers cutting good peopledown at their knees by
employing a methodical crossfire of unkindpersonal invective as weapon against
both the TM-TB's and theexperiential-based transcendentalist members then
present on thelist.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
This larger thread is a larger searchfor better diversity of thought here on
Rick's FairfieldLife atYahoo-groups. Anartaxius, whoever you are, in your
spock-likeunfeeling way for this point you go ahead and condone the
unkindculture of the snark here because you practice it. Lot like thatarticle
Geezer posted recently about how people can be led into their[cult] beliefs
given over to a control by their beliefs if they firstare led to act on them..
Seems you've been led far down a low pathhere with some others, possibly so far
out of the light to see yourway back up very clearly.
An evident consequence of thisis that the whole communal discussion here
suffers for your plight.As they say, change happens within, hopefully you and
others can makesome way in your vile meanness for kindness and we may all be
betteroff here. That might take some courage on your part to change.-JaiGuruYou
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
It looks like somebody posted a false analogy.
According to what I've read, a false analogy is a rhetorical fallacy that uses
an analogy (comparing objects or ideas with similar characteristics) to support
an argument, but the conclusion made by it is not supported by the analogy due
to the differences between the two objects.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
I think, Buck, what you call collaboration is a situation where everyone agrees
with you.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
I have no problem withconsidering divergent opinion. I am quite happy reading
it here, asRick had originally intended. But I do brace at the ruinous
hurtfulway you and others presenting here have on the discussions here.
Buck,you need to realize that we are dealing with people who think they canwin
a religious debate by spreading a rumor that you are a drunkard.Although you
may have given up that kind of childish bullying in gradeschool, some have not
risen to that level of discourse or social skills.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Collaboration? Could many folksdare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL
anymore given the lackof self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL?
What is mostlymissing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to
process, alove enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there
tobe creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is aculture of
rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinkinghere and driven people
away.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
I think your original post DID say she was EITHER dead or stove up real bad.
But I am too lazy to look it up since the archive is not easy to look through.
From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Salyavin,
I've never predicted that Judy died. Check the post history if you have the
time. This rumor has definitely been exaggerated.
We're just having a bit of fun John. You did stick your neck out with a
prediction which was cool but seemed destined to be wrong like all your
astrological divinations. Maybe you'll get one right by chance someday ;-)
Judy seems cagey about why she doesn't post anymore though. I think she either
converted to Catholicism and is too embarrased to talk about it, or she read
one of those facebook epiphanies about not wasting your life on trivia and do
something positive instead.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate
all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a
correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had
nothing to do with FFL per se.
Yo Judy! Alive and kicking, that's nice to hear. Unless John's horoscope was
right and you got reincarnated as the same thing!
All the best.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Judy seems cagey about why she doesn't post anymore though. I think she either converted to Catholicism and is too embarrased to talk about it, Haha, I had similar phantasies, that she hang out with Robin, creating the Robin / Judy retro cult..or joining ISIS as a black widow. or she read one of those facebook epiphanies about not wasting your life on trivia and do something positive instead. Not very likely, because she was told the same here innumeral times, even by me, when we were still on good terms, but no chance of an insight. Anyway, I am glad she is alive and seems well, and is even able to emulate her old self. I wish her the best but not here on FFL. And she should do what the doctors say.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
MJ, this takes a lot of courage to do given the climate on FFL and I admire that. Contrition maybe, but what of repentance? And the others here now? Your acknowledgment though is a good start towards something better here on FFL. Would you like that I convey your apology here over to our former communal members at The_Peak? I admire your out-front start on this, MJ. Best Regards, MJ writing: “Granted many of us here including me sometimes went over the top with name calling and if I offended anyone I apologize,” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I disagree - if for example you are referring to people including me asking Jimmy for proof he was enlightened other than his assertion in the face of the cussing rants he would go on when challenged or in the face of someone saying Marshy was a fraud. In light of his behavior I think such challenges were warranted. Same with common sense challenges to Nabby's assertions that Benjy Creme was some sort of a high spiritual guru. I mean come on. Granted many of us here including me sometimes went over the top with name calling and if I offended anyone I apologize, except for the vile things I said about Marshy which while harsh were all true. From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count A push back, a kind counter-offensive evidently was in order for all the damage being rendered in the reduced scope of communal discussion on our FFL community by a character of intolerant writers cutting good people down at their knees by employing a methodical crossfire of unkind personal invective as weapon against both the TM-TB's and the experiential-based transcendentalist members then present on the list. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This larger thread is a larger search for better diversity of thought here on Rick's FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups. Anartaxius, whoever you are, in your spock-like unfeeling way for this point you go ahead and condone the unkind culture of the snark here because you practice it. Lot like that article Geezer posted recently about how people can be led into their [cult] beliefs given over to a control by their beliefs if they first are led to act on them.. Seems you've been led far down a low path here with some others, possibly so far out of the light to see your way back up very clearly. An evident consequence of this is that the whole communal discussion here suffers for your plight. As they say, change happens within, hopefully you and others can make some way in your vile meanness for kindness and we may all be better off here. That might take some courage on your part to change. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It looks like somebody posted a false analogy. According to what I've read, a false analogy is a rhetorical fallacy that uses an analogy (comparing objects or ideas with similar characteristics) to support an argument, but the conclusion made by it is not supported by the analogy due to the differences between the two objects. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I think, Buck, what you call collaboration is a situation where everyone agrees with you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I have no problem with considering divergent opinion. I am quite happy reading it here, as Rick had originally intended. But I do brace at the ruinous hurtful way you and others presenting here have on the discussions here. Buck, you need to realize that we are dealing with people who think they can win a religious debate by spreading a rumor that you are a drunkard. Although you may have given up that kind of childish bullying in grade school, some have not risen to that level of discourse or social skills. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.
[FairfieldLife] Re: One of the best drummers on this planet?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin, I've never predicted that Judy died. Check the post history if you have the time. This rumor has definitely been exaggerated. We're just having a bit of fun John. You did stick your neck out with a prediction which was cool but seemed destined to be wrong like all your astrological divinations. Maybe you'll get one right by chance someday ;-) Judy seems cagey about why she doesn't post anymore though. I think she either converted to Catholicism and is too embarrased to talk about it, or she read one of those facebook epiphanies about not wasting your life on trivia and do something positive instead. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had nothing to do with FFL per se. Yo Judy! Alive and kicking, that's nice to hear. Unless John's horoscope was right and you got reincarnated as the same thing! All the best.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count For the sake of there being material divergent view represented on FFL given the hostile climate that came over FFL I have volunteered here many times the voice of the tru-believer and for my effort have been heaped on in return with personal invective of abuse from what has become an endemic intellectual intolerance here. Most of the people here probably went through a true-believer stage, at least to some extent, and this probably includes most of those here with whom you disagree. So these people can at least understand your position, but the important point is a true-believer cannot understand the position of someone who is outside that belief. Stable belief keeps the mind in a narrow range of options of unreality, for a belief is a substitute for direct experience, it is the mind's ossified interpretation of experience. A belief is simply a thought that one is convinced is true. Evidence is of no concern. A belief is essentially an opinion, emotionally held so tight it cannot be let go of. A belief is a pretence of knowledge. It stands in place of knowledge. To get out of the mind trap of belief, one has to see that beliefs are not real; this happens if the mind expands enough. Only then can you see how well thought corresponds to experience, to facts, and it is an ongoing battle to be able to do this because it is part of the structure of human minds to have a certain level of gullibility built in, so self-deception is always around the corner. Once a person has managed to off-load various sets of beliefs, to them people whose minds are fixed in a small range of ideas which they cannot let go of appear basically as idiots. Up to a point there is a certain amount of compassion for such a person because most of us were in that vice ourselves, but if someone is so impacted by belief that they never budge, such a one is an unforgivable idiot, having turned their back on expansion of mind and experience in favour of a mental rut, a mental prison from which they will not emerge. In order to break the repetitive cycle of belief, one has to honestly consider any idea one has as possibly and even likely being untrue. Once that stance is acquired, it becomes easier to evaluate what one and others say. Scientists have to adopt such a stance as a matter of course or otherwise they would be laughed out of the community of scientists, and it is not necessarily easy for a scientist to do this for psychological reasons. Like drinking coffee or beer, it is an acquired taste. Giving up cherished but wrong ideas can be a bitter experience for some people. I don't know where we'd be without the clarity of your thinking Xeno. Interestingly, I had dinner with a few old movement friends the other night and we talked for the first time about beliefs and the TMO. I had assumed they were well into the movement still but only because we never talk about it, all of us having many other interests and I wouldn't care if they were or weren't real TBs unless they go on at me about it and they never do so it never came up. That should have given it away really as the TBs we've seen here can't help but go on about it endlessly like they are trying to convert the world still. Anyway, my friends were almost as sceptical as me and they all said they had a brief fling with true believerism but grew out of it after careful thought and checking how the movement worked and the how the long term program resulted in quite a few not so impressive cases. I was surprised but pleased, they shared my distaste for fanatics and agreed with my analysis that some of them are desperate for a strong view of reality to hold their own inner chaos in check. There has to be a reason some people just never get over the first flush of involvement with the TMO but a process of diving into the knowledge and then, as you say, judging and expanding beyond the limited POV of the movement seems to be something people go through regardless of exposure to sites like this I'm happy to say. I'm sure of what the aim of the Reesh was though and it wasn't transcending devotion to his worldview. Religions have at their basis a set of beliefs that define what it's all about. without them the religion would cease to exist so they have to be continually reinforced at the expense of reality to avoid disintegration of everything else they religion has come to mean to the adherents. This is the job of TM teachers as you are either on the bus or off it. But my friends scepticism reassures me that maybe a lot more people are going beyond the confines of Marshy's vedicism. Learning to see the world with your own eyes can only be a good thing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Can anybody spell cognitive dissonance? LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No wonder you're identifying with Willytex these days...you're just like him, a total fiction. So, for 9 years you posted using the alias "Uncle Tantra" on Google Groups and another 9 years posting as the "TurquoiseB" on Yahoo Groups, while I posted as "Richard J. Williams" since 1998, but I'm the total fiction? You are not even making any sense, Barry. From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 4:07 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count Back sometime ago when Marek was with us, by his example I advertized then that the FFL list to be more complete as a communal discussion group of substantial material should need a 'public defender' of the TB-faithful to present the TB-TM thought here during periods when it was not represented by TB'ers themselves. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : That was for the community here. No one came forward so that was when the voice of Buck arrived, a practical old experienced voice of transcendentalism to push skeptics and apostates back alike who had then rolled over the FFL community as like the fanatical fundamentalism of IS has swept over whole areas of Syria. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A push back, a kind counter-offensive evidently was in order for all the damage being rendered in the reduced scope of communal discussion on our FFL community by a character of intolerant writers cutting good people down at their knees by employing a methodical crossfire of unkind personal invective as weapon against both the TM-TB's and the experiential-based transcendentalist members then present on the list. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This larger thread is a larger search for better diversity of thought here on Rick's FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups. Anartaxius, whoever you are, in your spock-like unfeeling way for this point you go ahead and condone the unkind culture of the snark here because you practice it. Lot like that article Geezer posted recently about how people can be led into their [cult] beliefs given over to a control by their beliefs if they first are led to act on them.. Seems you've been led far down a low path here with some others, possibly so far out of the light to see your way back up very clearly. An evident consequence of this is that the whole communal discussion here suffers for your plight. As they say, change happens within, hopefully you and others can make some way in your vile meanness for kindness and we may all be better off here. That might take some courage on your part to change. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It looks like somebody posted a false analogy. According to what I've read, a false analogy is a rhetorical fallacy that uses an analogy (comparing objects or ideas with similar characteristics) to support an argument, but the conclusion made by it is not supported by the analogy due to the differences between the two objects. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I think, Buck, what you call collaboration is a situation where everyone agrees with you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I have no problem with considering divergent opinion. I am quite happy reading it here, as Rick had originally intended. But I do brace at the ruinous hurtful way you and others presenting here have on the discussions here. Buck, you need to realize that we are dealing with people who think they can win a religious debate by spreading a rumor that you are a drunkard. Although you may have given up that kind of childish bullying in grade school, some have not risen to that level of discourse or social skills. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Apparently Barry has just posted an ad hominem. Ad hominem is the second to last resort of someone who is losing a debate and is unable to respond with legitimacy. The last resort (most difficult for the ego) is to consider that he or she might be wrong. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : What neither of them (Buck and WillyTheDoucheBag) Non sequitur. seems to understand is that their act is straight out of the Cult Playbook, and so obviously so that it brands them as cultists and the organization they think they're protecting as a cult to anyone who is familiar with the tactic. You're not even making any sense. So, you worked for the TMO for 14 years and worked for the Rama cult for another 20 years, but Willy is the cultist? Go figure. This tactic has been written about by religious sociologists for hundreds of years. It's what happens when a group that has gathered around a charismatic figure or an outlying set of beliefs suddenly finds that neither the charisma nor the beliefs are working for them any more. Whereas in the early days of their cult they were able to rant and preach and have people actually listen to them (and a certain small percentage of the listeners actually want to join up and become part of the cult), now what happens when they rant is that people laugh at them. The charisma is long gone and the beliefs -- finally seen in the light of day without the charisma making them look more reasonable -- are seen by anyone listening as ludicrous. Non sequitur. The thing that cultists fear most is NOT persecution. It's NOT disbelief. It's being laughed at. Non sequitur. So when a cult or spiritual organization has reached the stage of its history in which it's being laughed at a LOT, what they do is attempt to "circle the wagons" and convince the few remaining cult members that they're being persecuted. The claim of persecution thus actually becomes a tactic to make people's beliefs stronger, because nothing inspires belief in the unbelievable like becoming convinced that someone wants to stop you from believing it. Non sequitur. In his posts this morning (my time), Buck has essentially *ADMITTED* doing this. He isn't *really* concerned that people are "persecuting" TMers on this forum -- that's all an act, and has been since Day One of "Buck's" appearance on FFL. It's a fiction. It's falling back on the oldest tactic in religious history. Non sequitur. As Salyavin says, what sane people would do when discussing their beliefs on a public forum is "put their opinion forward reasonably like everyone else does round here and then let it stand or fall on its own merits or back it up with further arguments if necessary." What insane people do is stop presenting any arguments whatsoever and scream loudly, "They're trying to persecute me because of my beliefs." This ploy actually works on a few people. Stupid people. Non sequitur. Smart people see through it and lose all respect not only for the person attempting this tactic, but for the organization or cult in whose name it is being done. From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In other words, you made up this whole "Buck" act out of whole cloth so you could attack the people YOU wanted to attack and whine endlessly and hopefully make lurkers think that TMers were being somehow persecuted when they weren't. How evolved of you. Nice of you to finally admit it, however. Now everyone can ignore your silly ass without feeling the least bit guilty about it. No wonder you're identifying with Willytex these days...you're just like him, a total fiction. The main trouble with "Bucks" fanaticism is that - like Willytex's - it isn't very effective in securing its aims. They both come across as utterly demented and it doesn't matter how many times it's pointed out to them they just carry on regardless thus painting the True Believer as an unaware obsessive. Or maybe that's the idea A better approach would surely be to put your opinion forward reasonably like everyone else does round here and then let it stand or fall on its own merits or back it up with further arguments if necessary. It's not complicated. From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 4:07 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count Back sometime ago when Marek was with us, by his example I advertized then that the FFL list to be more complete as a communal discussion group of substantial material should need a 'public defender' of the TB-faithful to present the TB-TM thought here during periods when it was not represented by TB'ers themselves. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : That was for the community here. No one came forward so that was when the voice of Buck arrived, a practical old experienced
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Salyavin, I've never predicted that Judy died. Check the post history if you have the time. This rumor has definitely been exaggerated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had nothing to do with FFL per se. Yo Judy! Alive and kicking, that's nice to hear. Unless John's horoscope was right and you got reincarnated as the same thing! All the best.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
MJ, I never stated Judy died. Check the posts I've made regarding this subject. Other members have added to my original post and turned it to say she met her demise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Since you were the one who started the "rumor" how do you square this event with your jyotish pronouncement she was dead or real stove up? Of course, she could actually BE dead and someone like Anne is masquerading as Judy to prove jyotish is a black lie. From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count Judy, Welcome back. So, Anne was correct in saying that the rumor about your demise was greatly exaggerated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : aryavazhi wrote, in part: ...Just remember Judy, not being in contact with the movement at all, having had 1 1/2 TM courses in her life, I don't really know what "1 1/2 TM courses" could mean, but for the record, I took the basic TM course, the TM-Sidhis course, the mini-SCI course, a self-pulse-reading course, and a couple of dozen residence courses and WPAs (some week-long). I've mentioned them all here at one time or another. I should add: I took checker training, but was never certified. I also got one of the techniques Chopra taught. And I spent some months on a working vacation at the TM-run hotel in Asbury Park, NJ. I was working for myself, not the TMO, but I was surrounded by movement people--ate with them, did program with them, etc. I've talked about that here too. So much for "not being in contact with the movement at all."
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
For the sake of there beingmaterial divergent view represented on FFL given the
hostile climatethat came over FFL I have volunteered here many times the voice
ofthe tru-believer and for my effort have been heaped on in return withpersonal
invective of abuse from what has become an endemicintellectual intolerance here.
Most of the people here probably went through a true-believer stage, at least
to some extent, and this probably includes most of those here with whom you
disagree. So these people can at least understand your position, but the
important point is a true-believer cannot understand the position of someone
who is outside that belief. Stable belief keeps the mind in a narrow range of
options of unreality, for a belief is a substitute for direct experience, it is
the mind's ossified interpretation of experience.
A belief is simply a thought that one is convinced is true. Evidence is of no
concern. A belief is essentially an opinion, emotionally held so tight it
cannot be let go of. A belief is a pretence of knowledge. It stands in place of
knowledge. To get out of the mind trap of belief, one has to see that beliefs
are not real; this happens if the mind expands enough. Only then can you see
how well thought corresponds to experience, to facts, and it is an ongoing
battle to be able to do this because it is part of the structure of human minds
to have a certain level of gullibility built in, so self-deception is always
around the corner.
Once a person has managed to off-load various sets of beliefs, to them people
whose minds are fixed in a small range of ideas which they cannot let go of
appear basically as idiots. Up to a point there is a certain amount of
compassion for such a person because most of us were in that vice ourselves,
but if someone is so impacted by belief that they never budge, such a one is an
unforgivable idiot, having turned their back on expansion of mind and
experience in favour of a mental rut, a mental prison from which they will not
emerge.
In order to break the repetitive cycle of belief, one has to honestly consider
any idea one has as possibly and even likely being untrue. Once that stance is
acquired, it becomes easier to evaluate what one and others say. Scientists
have to adopt such a stance as a matter of course or otherwise they would be
laughed out of the community of scientists, and it is not necessarily easy for
a scientist to do this for psychological reasons. Like drinking coffee or beer,
it is an acquired taste. Giving up cherished but wrong ideas can be a bitter
experience for some people.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: "Wayward Pines" episode 1 available streaming
Name's spelled "Edg" -- no e. Thanks for the heads-up.
[FairfieldLife] "Wayward Pines" episode 1 available streaming
Availabe now and without ads (for Edge). I'll probably watch tonight on VUDU at HDX. I see it's on Hulu now. http://www.thewrap.com/wayward-pines-to-stream-premiere-episode-in-first-ever-global-preview/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had nothing to do with FFL per se. Yo Judy! Alive and kicking, that's nice to hear. Unless John's horoscope was right and you got reincarnated as the same thing! All the best.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Back to the Basics that Worked until the 1990's
The lake was filled in to make a swamp.
Details on this? I don't remember any body of water near campus except the
reservoir.
From: "douglaspor...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 1:46 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Back to the Basics that Worked until the 1990's
The TM movement should get back to the basics, and what worked in the
1960's through 1990's.
1) No more Sthupidya-ved. It is superstition. Placebo effect.
If you think it works, it works. If you don't, it doesn't.
SV detracts from all the good scientific research studies on TM.
SV did not work for Telegroup or USA Global Link or Books R Fun.
SV did not increase MUM's enrollment.
Historic buildings were torn down for no reason.
The lake was filled in to make a swamp.
There are no studies published on it in over 20 years.
It just makes the movement look silly.
2) No more encouraging young people to join Purusha or Mother Divine.
No more spending millions on development far away from cities.
Fairfield is far enough.
We need young meditators to live in Fairfield, have kids, and send them to
Maharishi School.
Enrollment is so low, the 5th and 6th grades have to be combined. 3) The
movement should have allowed David Kaplan to have a girl friend and round with
Purusha. He paid for the place. Celebacy has nothing to do with TM. It is
not a requirement for enlightenment. Most of the Purusha at the time are now
house holders anyway. Welcome David back as a Raja.
4) Cut the nonsense of Raja's wearing crowns.It makes smart, successful guys
look silly.Rajas should be elected, not appointed.
5) What happens to CEOs when a company does not reach its goals?They are
replaced. The President of M.U.M. is rarely on campus, and
has not performed since the Taste of Utopia course in December 1983.
Could we get 7000 now?Time for new leadership. #yiv4298453053 #yiv4298453053
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Ethical Behavior and Culpability
Grass is cut, so
I concede that Marshy did show some self effacing humility in the early days of
his world wide life long sojourn. But that self effacing quality went away
after a few years. This showed itself in many ways, especially in the last 10
years he was on earth.
I honestly feel he was a fraud and a self aggrandizing huckster who was really
almost another P.T. Barnum selling his Hindu flavored nostrums and vedic side
shows of yagyas and hopping on foam for world peace.
I also believe that the energy with which he created the Movement (which was
one of fraud and deception) is perpetuating itself and that his leaders both
large and small throughout the Movement follow in his footsteps energetically
both consciously and unconsciously in their furtherance of fraudulent programs
and in their own self aggrandizing efforts (both for themselves and the
Movement) and in their deceptive energy and practices. Apple don't fall far
from the tree and what they learned from him they feel is ok to do.
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 12:09 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ethical Behavior and Culpability
MJ,in watching I feel this is an interesting point about ethical conductyou are
making about these guys or that narrower group of people inthe movement
community. Maharishi often withheld himself out oflineage of the guru tradition
in a separation by a means of a stopwith his deferring to Brahmananda Saraswati
and that line throughvedic masters going back through Shankara and beyond to
rishisbefore. Maharishi was really consistent with this, for whateverreasons
around culpability.
AsMaharishi came to the West it used to be that Maharishi was quick todeflect
people trying to 'pedestal' him, where he'd be walkingthrough an airport and
meditators meeting him would try to go totheir knees before him, he would
curtly nip that. At a point on acourse I was on with Maharishi, the
tru-believer types of thefaith-based side of the movement conspired to have the
whole groupsing a puja in a way that it was done 'to' Maharishi as he
arrivedfor a meeting. Oh was he annoyed with that positioning, with a looklike
the children had done something really wrong. The TM puja as wewere taught it
by M is an alignment straight to Shankara throughBrahmananda Saraswati.
Maharishi is not in the puja. Well, Maharishileft the course and did not
return for that nuttiness. He had cometo that meeting to deliver a discourse on
Patanjali, which he didgive for the camera. It was a fabulous lecture
elucidating on theYoga Sutras. But he left after the lecture. The tru-believers
werewarned ahead of that as they planned the choreography of the groupsinging
the Puja to M, but did it anyway. It really bombed, goingover like the
proverbial lead-balloon.
ButMaharishi and the secular TM movement he created out in the world dohave
their own leg on flow charts of the Vedic tradition and Westernspirituality as
transcendentalism in counter-point to materialism andformalism. Though now, at
this point the tru-believers have paintedMaharishi in to the bottom of the holy
tradition picture on stage. Eventually they might proly have themselves painted
in to the pictureas apostles. That is ego and you proly won't be able to stop
themparticularly. On the flowcharts of history the TM movement is prolynot
going to go entirely away anytime soon or go to ashes. Thetechnique is way too
good in ways in itself and may well outlive theorganization probably regardless
of the ethics of the peopleinvolved. Time will give the perspective. I do feel
you raise agood point though and it will be interesting to see who will be
ableto some day speak calmly to it from within the movement withperspective.
JaiGuruYou
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
I guess it all depends how you want to look at it. Certainly if thoughts and
emotions have any sort of energy, particularly those thoughts and feelings that
recur and those that alter our behavior then it sure looks like a hook or some
such.
It has taken me a long time to get free of it all, even years after I thought I
put it all behind me. Marshy sure was a con artist and so are his TM Movement
leaders, really all the TB'ers are who are in the Movement. I mean all of the
Bob Schneider, Bob Roth, Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, all of them. Some like Big
Bopper Bevan and that damnable Neil Patterson seem more egregious in their
behavior but they all perpetuate the fraud.
It will be a grand day when the Movement is reduced to ashes at least here in
the US.
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[FairfieldLife] Back to the Basics that Worked until the 1990's
The TM movement should get back to the basics, and what worked in the 1960's through 1990's. 1) No more Sthupidya-ved. It is superstition. Placebo effect. If you think it works, it works. If you don't, it doesn't. SV detracts from all the good scientific research studies on TM. SV did not work for Telegroup or USA Global Link or Books R Fun. SV did not increase MUM's enrollment. Historic buildings were torn down for no reason. The lake was filled in to make a swamp. There are no studies published on it in over 20 years. It just makes the movement look silly. 2) No more encouraging young people to join Purusha or Mother Divine. No more spending millions on development far away from cities. Fairfield is far enough. We need young meditators to live in Fairfield, have kids, and send them to Maharishi School. Enrollment is so low, the 5th and 6th grades have to be combined. 3) The movement should have allowed David Kaplan to have a girl friend and round with Purusha. He paid for the place. Celebacy has nothing to do with TM. It is not a requirement for enlightenment. Most of the Purusha at the time are now house holders anyway. Welcome David back as a Raja. 4) Cut the nonsense of Raja's wearing crowns. It makes smart, successful guys look silly. Rajas should be elected, not appointed. 5) What happens to CEOs when a company does not reach its goals? They are replaced. The President of M.U.M. is rarely on campus, and has not performed since the Taste of Utopia course in December 1983. Could we get 7000 now? Time for new leadership.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Transcendent Implant
Since so-called transcending is a natural thing, meaning you just become aware
of the energy you really are, what makes you think all meditations don't result
in that experience, other than Marshy claiming perhaps that they don't?
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 1:00 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Transcendent Implant
Wellyes, activated, that was my clear experience as I was taught tomeditate.
That was not an implant per se. Yes I read the classics and the
transcendentalists before I learned to properly meditate andexperience
transcendence. Went to Methodist Church Sunday some as akid growing up to see
it. Quaker Meeting with my people. Let usposit 'yes' that some thing gets
activated whence one transcends forsake of discussion for the moment. It
clearly did for me when I satwith a geeky guy who did the puja and taught me to
meditate. It waspretty clear from then. And, broaden for sake of discussion
tosimply learning an effective transcendent meditation then activatingsome
things spiritual in people that are fine and okay. Did youlisten to that
interview by Rick of Karunamayi on Batgap.com? ..Okay,not every meditation is
suited to everyone, it depends on the personbut several paths lead in the same
direction of refinement. But yes,an effective 'transcending' meditation and its
experience changesthings in the subtle bodies of the system. 'Implant' is the
wrongword or connotation for that activation in the subtle system
asspirituality in human experience. 'Implant' or 'hook' as signaturesare too
loaded of words. It is not science fiction or medicalimplant or hook. But yes
joining a group may place an energeticimplant as socio-psychologic hook as
emotional or mental forms in thesystem; and some TM'ers, depending on the
person, may have somethingof that which could be definable. Obviously depends
on the person. But that is cultural and different from the activation that
comeswith an effective transcendent experience in the system and the twodeserve
to be sorted out from each other in discussion. It is a fairdiscussion.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Reallygood observation. Yep, is largely just natural law. A will as large
Natureto reveal herself in human life. It is a flow in nature toexperience
itself. In human life that is what transcendentalism is andtranscendentalists
are about spiritually. Everyone will come to see it atleast in the end.
JaiGuruYou! Activated in the energy field of life it is nothing you'll get rid
of. Even the 'anti-TM'ers' and 'anti-cultists', as you say below.
"Then, then, then I rose.Then first humanity triumphant passed the crystal
ports of light,And seized eternal youth.Man, all immortal, hail, hail!Heaven,
all lavish of strange gifts to man,Thine's all the glory, man's the boundless
bliss."
aryavazhi writes:
I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met some kind of a clearvoyant,
telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had
left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of
things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a
believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants,
from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so.
But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping
formal TM would make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts and
ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces,
expectations, even in the subconscious.
I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts,
which were like hooks clinging to me. I did this to an extend, so that I could
feel happy, and not 'miss' anything of my old TM environment, instead enjoying
my new life, and my new spiritual discoveries fully. (That's what about I told
my friend)
But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant, that
still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. In fact, could this be one
explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny
they are TB), and anti-TMers alike are hooked to the same story? Infact could
also anti-cultist be fighting the same implant, that TMers so vehemently defend?
This is just a thought, I know, I will probably not get a lot of support for
it, but could there be something to it?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Since you were the one who started the "rumor" how do you square this event
with your jyotish pronouncement she was dead or real stove up? Of course, she
could actually BE dead and someone like Anne is masquerading as Judy to prove
jyotish is a black lie.
From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Judy,
Welcome back. So, Anne was correct in saying that the rumor about your demise
was greatly exaggerated.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
aryavazhi wrote, in part:
...Just remember Judy, not being in contact with the movement at all, having
had 1 1/2 TM courses in her life,
I don't really know what "1 1/2 TM courses" could mean, but for the record, I
took the basic TM course, the TM-Sidhis course, the mini-SCI course, a
self-pulse-reading course, and a couple of dozen residence courses and WPAs
(some week-long). I've mentioned them all here at one time or another.
I should add: I took checker training, but was never certified. I also got one
of the techniques Chopra taught. And I spent some months on a working vacation
at the TM-run hotel in Asbury Park, NJ. I was working for myself, not the TMO,
but I was surrounded by movement people--ate with them, did program with them,
etc. I've talked about that here too. So much for "not being in contact with
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
For the sake of there being material divergent view represented on FFL given the hostile climate that came over FFL I have volunteered here many times the voice of the tru-believer and for my effort have been heaped on in return with personal invective of abuse from what has become an endemic intellectual intolerance here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Back sometime ago when Marek was with us, by his example I advertized then that the FFL list to be more complete as a communal discussion group of substantial material should need a 'public defender' of the TB-faithful to present the TB-TM thought here during periods when it was not represented by TB'ers themselves. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : That was for the community here. No one came forward so that was when the voice of Buck arrived, a practical old experienced voice of transcendentalism to push skeptics and apostates back alike who had then rolled over the FFL community as like the fanatical fundamentalism of IS has swept over whole areas of Syria. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A push back, a kind counter-offensive evidently was in order for all the damage being rendered in the reduced scope of communal discussion on our FFL community by a character of intolerant writers cutting good people down at their knees by employing a methodical crossfire of unkind personal invective as weapon against both the TM-TB's and the experiential-based transcendentalist members then present on the list. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This larger thread is a larger search for better diversity of thought here on Rick's FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups. Anartaxius, whoever you are, in your spock-like unfeeling way for this point you go ahead and condone the unkind culture of the snark here because you practice it. Lot like that article Geezer posted recently about how people can be led into their [cult] beliefs given over to a control by their beliefs if they first are led to act on them.. Seems you've been led far down a low path here with some others, possibly so far out of the light to see your way back up very clearly. An evident consequence of this is that the whole communal discussion here suffers for your plight. As they say, change happens within, hopefully you and others can make some way in your vile meanness for kindness and we may all be better off here. That might take some courage on your part to change. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It looks like somebody posted a false analogy. According to what I've read, a false analogy is a rhetorical fallacy that uses an analogy (comparing objects or ideas with similar characteristics) to support an argument, but the conclusion made by it is not supported by the analogy due to the differences between the two objects. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I think, Buck, what you call collaboration is a situation where everyone agrees with you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I have no problem with considering divergent opinion. I am quite happy reading it here, as Rick had originally intended. But I do brace at the ruinous hurtful way you and others presenting here have on the discussions here. Buck, you need to realize that we are dealing with people who think they can win a religious debate by spreading a rumor that you are a drunkard. Although you may have given up that kind of childish bullying in grade school, some have not risen to that level of discourse or social skills. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Transcendent Implant
Well yes, activated, that was my clear experience as I was taught to meditate. That was not an implant per se. Yes I read the classics and the transcendentalists before I learned to properly meditate and experience transcendence. Went to Methodist Church Sunday some as a kid growing up to see it. Quaker Meeting with my people. Let us posit 'yes' that some thing gets activated whence one transcends for sake of discussion for the moment. It clearly did for me when I sat with a geeky guy who did the puja and taught me to meditate. It was pretty clear from then. And, broaden for sake of discussion to simply learning an effective transcendent meditation then activating some things spiritual in people that are fine and okay. Did you listen to that interview by Rick of Karunamayi on Batgap.com? ..Okay, not every meditation is suited to everyone, it depends on the person but several paths lead in the same direction of refinement. But yes, an effective 'transcending' meditation and its experience changes things in the subtle bodies of the system. 'Implant' is the wrong word or connotation for that activation in the subtle system as spirituality in human experience. 'Implant' or 'hook' as signatures are too loaded of words. It is not science fiction or medical implant or hook. But yes joining a group may place an energetic implant as socio-psychologic hook as emotional or mental forms in the system; and some TM'ers, depending on the person, may have something of that which could be definable. Obviously depends on the person. But that is cultural and different from the activation that comes with an effective transcendent experience in the system and the two deserve to be sorted out from each other in discussion. It is a fair discussion. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Really good observation. Yep, is largely just natural law. A will as large Nature to reveal herself in human life. It is a flow in nature to experience itself. In human life that is what transcendentalism is and transcendentalists are about spiritually. Everyone will come to see it at least in the end. JaiGuruYou! Activated in the energy field of life it is nothing you'll get rid of. Even the 'anti-TM'ers' and 'anti-cultists', as you say below. "Then, then, then I rose. Then first humanity triumphant passed the crystal ports of light, And seized eternal youth. Man, all immortal, hail, hail! Heaven, all lavish of strange gifts to man, Thine's all the glory, man's the boundless bliss." aryavazhi writes: I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met some kind of a clearvoyant, telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants, from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so. But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping formal TM would make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts and ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces, expectations, even in the subconscious. I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts, which were like hooks clinging to me. I did this to an extend, so that I could feel happy, and not 'miss' anything of my old TM environment, instead enjoying my new life, and my new spiritual discoveries fully. (That's what about I told my friend) But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant, that still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. In fact, could this be one explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny they are TB), and anti-TMers alike are hooked to the same story? Infact could also anti-cultist be fighting the same implant, that TMers so vehemently defend? This is just a thought, I know, I will probably not get a lot of support for it, but could there be something to it?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Judy, Welcome back. So, Anne was correct in saying that the rumor about your demise was greatly exaggerated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : aryavazhi wrote, in part: ...Just remember Judy, not being in contact with the movement at all, having had 1 1/2 TM courses in her life, I don't really know what "1 1/2 TM courses" could mean, but for the record, I took the basic TM course, the TM-Sidhis course, the mini-SCI course, a self-pulse-reading course, and a couple of dozen residence courses and WPAs (some week-long). I've mentioned them all here at one time or another. I should add: I took checker training, but was never certified. I also got one of the techniques Chopra taught. And I spent some months on a working vacation at the TM-run hotel in Asbury Park, NJ. I was working for myself, not the TMO, but I was surrounded by movement people--ate with them, did program with them, etc. I've talked about that here too. So much for "not being in contact with the movement at all."
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ethical Behavior and Culpability
In almost all Indian traditions unless you have earned and been given a title you cannot claim it. "Swami" is conferred title and given by a guru to a disciple upon achieving some level of expertise. Maharishi was never conferred such a title by SBS or he would have used it. It also limits what he could do as a meditation teacher. If he broke away from that protocol he would have been trashed by many other leaders of Indian paths. He was trashed enough for the self proclaimed "Maharishi" title which I'm not sure is ever conferred anyway. On 04/24/2015 09:09 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: MJ, in watching I feel this is an interesting point about ethical conduct you are making about these guys or that narrower group of people in the movement community. Maharishi often withheld himself out of lineage of the guru tradition in a separation by a means of a stop with his deferring to Brahmananda Saraswati and that line through vedic masters going back through Shankara and beyond to rishis before. Maharishi was really consistent with this, for whatever reasons around culpability. As Maharishi came to the West it used to be that Maharishi was quick to deflect people trying to 'pedestal' him, where he'd be walking through an airport and meditators meeting him would try to go to their knees before him, he would curtly nip that. At a point on a course I was on with Maharishi, the tru-believer types of the faith-based side of the movement conspired to have the whole group sing a puja in a way that it was done 'to' Maharishi as he arrived for a meeting. Oh was he annoyed with that positioning, with a look like the children had done something really wrong. The TM puja as we were taught it by M is an alignment straight to Shankara through Brahmananda Saraswati. Maharishi is not in the puja. Well, Maharishi left the course and did not return for that nuttiness. He had come to that meeting to deliver a discourse on Patanjali, which he did give for the camera. It was a fabulous lecture elucidating on the Yoga Sutras. But he left after the lecture. The tru-believers were warned ahead of that as they planned the choreography of the group singing the Puja to M, but did it anyway. It really bombed, going over like the proverbial lead-balloon. But Maharishi and the secular TM movement he created out in the world do have their own leg on flow charts of the Vedic tradition and Western spirituality as transcendentalism in counter-point to materialism and formalism. Though now, at this point the tru-believers have painted Maharishi in to the bottom of the holy tradition picture on stage. Eventually they might proly have themselves painted in to the picture as apostles. That is ego and you proly won't be able to stop them particularly. On the flowcharts of history the TM movement is proly not going to go entirely away anytime soon or go to ashes. The technique is way too good in ways in itself and may well outlive the organization probably regardless of the ethics of the people involved. Time will give the perspective. I do feel you raise a good point though and it will be interesting to see who will be able to some day speak calmly to it from within the movement with perspective. JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I guess it all depends how you want to look at it. Certainly if thoughts and emotions have any sort of energy, particularly those thoughts and feelings that recur and those that alter our behavior then it sure looks like a hook or some such. It has taken me a long time to get free of it all, even years after I thought I put it all behind me. Marshy sure was a con artist and so are his TM Movement leaders, really all the TB'ers are who are in the Movement. I mean all of the Bob Schneider, Bob Roth, Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, all of them. Some like Big Bopper Bevan and that damnable Neil Patterson seem more egregious in their behavior but they all perpetuate the fraud. It will be a grand day when the Movement is reduced to ashes at least here in the US.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Judy Stein, Editor From Beyond The Grave.
Some things never change. :-)
From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
aryavazhi wrote, in part:
...Just remember Judy, not being in contact with the movement at all, having
had 1 1/2 TM courses in her life,
I don't really know what "1 1/2 TM courses" could mean, but for the record, I
took the basic TM course, the TM-Sidhis course, the mini-SCI course, a
self-pulse-reading course, and a couple of dozen residence courses and WPAs
(some week-long). I've mentioned them all here at one time or another.
refusing to get even advanced techniques because she was afraid of telling her
mantra aloud,
This is pure made-up malicious bullshit. I have an advanced technique and would
have gotten more if I'd had the extra cash at the appropriate times.
never having seen Maharishi herself, but playing the game of being the most
faithful for years,
I haven't played any games here, and I'm obviously "not the most faithful"; I
have said many times that I loathe the movement and have criticized elements of
Maharishi's teaching and of his personal life.
until a Robin came, who, with a schizophrenic combination of faithful TMer and
anti-Hindu cleric,
He wasn't schizophrenic, he was rabidly anti-TM (not sure what "anti-Hindu
cleric" means).
just blew her away like nothing? And the going on defending Robin and TM?
Robin was the target of many attacks, most of them unfair and many of them
malicious. As his friend, I defended him. I've done likewise with TM. So what?
And who misses her?
Quite a few, judging by my email.
Those whome she abused most, Buck and Willy, what a show
I've criticized both of them on occasion but nowhere near as often as I have
some others here (including yourself). I did a search, and Buck has hardly
mentioned me since I stopped posting. Willytex invokes me frequently, not
because he misses me but in the hope of annoying those I've criticized in the
past. BFD.
A fine show of dishonesty and malice, aryavazhi. So spiritual.
Barry and his acolytes can relax, BTW. I have no intention of starting to post
regularly again. I've peeked in now and then to see what was happening; I
haven't bothered to correct Barry's lies about me because you all know that's
just what he does. But you may not know aryavazhi is a liar as well, so I
thought I should make that clear. If he responds to this, it will almost
certainly be with more lies.
Judy
P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate
all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a
correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had
nothing to do with FFL per se.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Ethical Behavior and Culpability
You raise interesting points - I shall reply after I cut the grass - its been
raining a lot out here in SC - gotta get that electric lawn mower out - it cost
enough, I gotta get some use out of it!
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 12:09 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ethical Behavior and Culpability
MJ,in watching I feel this is an interesting point about ethical conductyou are
making about these guys or that narrower group of people inthe movement
community. Maharishi often withheld himself out oflineage of the guru tradition
in a separation by a means of a stopwith his deferring to Brahmananda Saraswati
and that line throughvedic masters going back through Shankara and beyond to
rishisbefore. Maharishi was really consistent with this, for whateverreasons
around culpability.
AsMaharishi came to the West it used to be that Maharishi was quick todeflect
people trying to 'pedestal' him, where he'd be walkingthrough an airport and
meditators meeting him would try to go totheir knees before him, he would
curtly nip that. At a point on acourse I was on with Maharishi, the
tru-believer types of thefaith-based side of the movement conspired to have the
whole groupsing a puja in a way that it was done 'to' Maharishi as he
arrivedfor a meeting. Oh was he annoyed with that positioning, with a looklike
the children had done something really wrong. The TM puja as wewere taught it
by M is an alignment straight to Shankara throughBrahmananda Saraswati.
Maharishi is not in the puja. Well, Maharishileft the course and did not
return for that nuttiness. He had cometo that meeting to deliver a discourse on
Patanjali, which he didgive for the camera. It was a fabulous lecture
elucidating on theYoga Sutras. But he left after the lecture. The tru-believers
werewarned ahead of that as they planned the choreography of the groupsinging
the Puja to M, but did it anyway. It really bombed, goingover like the
proverbial lead-balloon.
ButMaharishi and the secular TM movement he created out in the world dohave
their own leg on flow charts of the Vedic tradition and Westernspirituality as
transcendentalism in counter-point to materialism andformalism. Though now, at
this point the tru-believers have paintedMaharishi in to the bottom of the holy
tradition picture on stage. Eventually they might proly have themselves painted
in to the pictureas apostles. That is ego and you proly won't be able to stop
themparticularly. On the flowcharts of history the TM movement is prolynot
going to go entirely away anytime soon or go to ashes. Thetechnique is way too
good in ways in itself and may well outlive theorganization probably regardless
of the ethics of the peopleinvolved. Time will give the perspective. I do feel
you raise agood point though and it will be interesting to see who will be
ableto some day speak calmly to it from within the movement withperspective.
JaiGuruYou
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
I guess it all depends how you want to look at it. Certainly if thoughts and
emotions have any sort of energy, particularly those thoughts and feelings that
recur and those that alter our behavior then it sure looks like a hook or some
such.
It has taken me a long time to get free of it all, even years after I thought I
put it all behind me. Marshy sure was a con artist and so are his TM Movement
leaders, really all the TB'ers are who are in the Movement. I mean all of the
Bob Schneider, Bob Roth, Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, all of them. Some like Big
Bopper Bevan and that damnable Neil Patterson seem more egregious in their
behavior but they all perpetuate the fraud.
It will be a grand day when the Movement is reduced to ashes at least here in
the US.
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[FairfieldLife] Ethical Behavior and Culpability
MJ, in watching I feel this is an interesting point about ethical conduct you are making about these guys or that narrower group of people in the movement community. Maharishi often withheld himself out of lineage of the guru tradition in a separation by a means of a stop with his deferring to Brahmananda Saraswati and that line through vedic masters going back through Shankara and beyond to rishis before. Maharishi was really consistent with this, for whatever reasons around culpability. As Maharishi came to the West it used to be that Maharishi was quick to deflect people trying to 'pedestal' him, where he'd be walking through an airport and meditators meeting him would try to go to their knees before him, he would curtly nip that. At a point on a course I was on with Maharishi, the tru-believer types of the faith-based side of the movement conspired to have the whole group sing a puja in a way that it was done 'to' Maharishi as he arrived for a meeting. Oh was he annoyed with that positioning, with a look like the children had done something really wrong. The TM puja as we were taught it by M is an alignment straight to Shankara through Brahmananda Saraswati. Maharishi is not in the puja. Well, Maharishi left the course and did not return for that nuttiness. He had come to that meeting to deliver a discourse on Patanjali, which he did give for the camera. It was a fabulous lecture elucidating on the Yoga Sutras. But he left after the lecture. The tru-believers were warned ahead of that as they planned the choreography of the group singing the Puja to M, but did it anyway. It really bombed, going over like the proverbial lead-balloon. But Maharishi and the secular TM movement he created out in the world do have their own leg on flow charts of the Vedic tradition and Western spirituality as transcendentalism in counter-point to materialism and formalism. Though now, at this point the tru-believers have painted Maharishi in to the bottom of the holy tradition picture on stage. Eventually they might proly have themselves painted in to the picture as apostles. That is ego and you proly won't be able to stop them particularly. On the flowcharts of history the TM movement is proly not going to go entirely away anytime soon or go to ashes. The technique is way too good in ways in itself and may well outlive the organization probably regardless of the ethics of the people involved. Time will give the perspective. I do feel you raise a good point though and it will be interesting to see who will be able to some day speak calmly to it from within the movement with perspective. JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I guess it all depends how you want to look at it. Certainly if thoughts and emotions have any sort of energy, particularly those thoughts and feelings that recur and those that alter our behavior then it sure looks like a hook or some such. It has taken me a long time to get free of it all, even years after I thought I put it all behind me. Marshy sure was a con artist and so are his TM Movement leaders, really all the TB'ers are who are in the Movement. I mean all of the Bob Schneider, Bob Roth, Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, all of them. Some like Big Bopper Bevan and that damnable Neil Patterson seem more egregious in their behavior but they all perpetuate the fraud. It will be a grand day when the Movement is reduced to ashes at least here in the US.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Hey Judy, Hi. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : aryavazhi wrote, in part: ...Just remember Judy, not being in contact with the movement at all, having had 1 1/2 TM courses in her life, I don't really know what "1 1/2 TM courses" could mean, but for the record, I took the basic TM course, the TM-Sidhis course, the mini-SCI course, a self-pulse-reading course, and a couple of dozen residence courses and WPAs (some week-long). I've mentioned them all here at one time or another. I should add: I took checker training, but was never certified. I also got one of the techniques Chopra taught. And I spent some months on a working vacation at the TM-run hotel in Asbury Park, NJ. I was working for myself, not the TMO, but I was surrounded by movement people--ate with them, did program with them, etc. I've talked about that here too. So much for "not being in contact with the movement at all."
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
I am still a Barry fan, but I must say that FFL has not been the same without
the acerbic Judy vibe.
And I for one am happy to hear from you, but only because JR asserted some time
ago that your jyotish said you were either dead or had had some sort of real
shore nuff bad trauma (relating to your legs I think he said) - I'm too lazy to
look it up.
You would think if jyotish were accurate, it could surely differentiate between
death and alive but stove up.
(Stove up is a phrase for suffering physical discomfort caused by injury,
illness, exercise, or overwork - I put that in for Sal's benefit.)
From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
aryavazhi wrote, in part:
...Just remember Judy, not being in contact with the movement at all, having
had 1 1/2 TM courses in her life,
I don't really know what "1 1/2 TM courses" could mean, but for the record, I
took the basic TM course, the TM-Sidhis course, the mini-SCI course, a
self-pulse-reading course, and a couple of dozen residence courses and WPAs
(some week-long). I've mentioned them all here at one time or another.
refusing to get even advanced techniques because she was afraid of telling her
mantra aloud,
This is pure made-up malicious bullshit. I have an advanced technique and would
have gotten more if I'd had the extra cash at the appropriate times.
never having seen Maharishi herself, but playing the game of being the most
faithful for years,
I haven't played any games here, and I'm obviously "not the most faithful"; I
have said many times that I loathe the movement and have criticized elements of
Maharishi's teaching and of his personal life.
until a Robin came, who, with a schizophrenic combination of faithful TMer and
anti-Hindu cleric,
He wasn't schizophrenic, he was rabidly anti-TM (not sure what "anti-Hindu
cleric" means).
just blew her away like nothing? And the going on defending Robin and TM?
Robin was the target of many attacks, most of them unfair and many of them
malicious. As his friend, I defended him. I've done likewise with TM. So what?
And who misses her?
Quite a few, judging by my email.
Those whome she abused most, Buck and Willy, what a show
I've criticized both of them on occasion but nowhere near as often as I have
some others here (including yourself). I did a search, and Buck has hardly
mentioned me since I stopped posting. Willytex invokes me frequently, not
because he misses me but in the hope of annoying those I've criticized in the
past. BFD.
A fine show of dishonesty and malice, aryavazhi. So spiritual.
Barry and his acolytes can relax, BTW. I have no intention of starting to post
regularly again. I've peeked in now and then to see what was happening; I
haven't bothered to correct Barry's lies about me because you all know that's
just what he does. But you may not know aryavazhi is a liar as well, so I
thought I should make that clear. If he responds to this, it will almost
certainly be with more lies.
Judy
P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate
all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a
correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had
nothing to do with FFL per se.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
aryavazhi wrote, in part: ...Just remember Judy, not being in contact with the movement at all, having had 1 1/2 TM courses in her life, I don't really know what "1 1/2 TM courses" could mean, but for the record, I took the basic TM course, the TM-Sidhis course, the mini-SCI course, a self-pulse-reading course, and a couple of dozen residence courses and WPAs (some week-long). I've mentioned them all here at one time or another. refusing to get even advanced techniques because she was afraid of telling her mantra aloud, This is pure made-up malicious bullshit. I have an advanced technique and would have gotten more if I'd had the extra cash at the appropriate times. never having seen Maharishi herself, but playing the game of being the most faithful for years, I haven't played any games here, and I'm obviously "not the most faithful"; I have said many times that I loathe the movement and have criticized elements of Maharishi's teaching and of his personal life. until a Robin came, who, with a schizophrenic combination of faithful TMer and anti-Hindu cleric, He wasn't schizophrenic, he was rabidly anti-TM (not sure what "anti-Hindu cleric" means). just blew her away like nothing? And the going on defending Robin and TM? Robin was the target of many attacks, most of them unfair and many of them malicious. As his friend, I defended him. I've done likewise with TM. So what? And who misses her? Quite a few, judging by my email. Those whome she abused most, Buck and Willy, what a show I've criticized both of them on occasion but nowhere near as often as I have some others here (including yourself). I did a search, and Buck has hardly mentioned me since I stopped posting. Willytex invokes me frequently, not because he misses me but in the hope of annoying those I've criticized in the past. BFD. A fine show of dishonesty and malice, aryavazhi. So spiritual. Barry and his acolytes can relax, BTW. I have no intention of starting to post regularly again. I've peeked in now and then to see what was happening; I haven't bothered to correct Barry's lies about me because you all know that's just what he does. But you may not know aryavazhi is a liar as well, so I thought I should make that clear. If he responds to this, it will almost certainly be with more lies. Judy P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had nothing to do with FFL per se.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
I guess it all depends how you want to look at it. Certainly if thoughts and emotions have any sort of energy, particularly those thoughts and feelings that recur and those that alter our behavior then it sure looks like a hook or some such. It has taken me a long time to get free of it all, even years after I thought I put it all behind me. Marshy sure was a con artist and so are his TM Movement leaders, really all the TB'ers are who are in the Movement. I mean all of the Bob Schneider, Bob Roth, Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, all of them. Some like Big Bopper Bevan and that damnable Neil Patterson seem more egregious in their behavior but they all perpetuate the fraud. It will be a grand day when the Movement is reduced to ashes at least here in the US. From: aryavazhi To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I was once in a class with this lady who was teaching a healing thing, there were three of us former TM'ers and she said the other two had what she called a TM "hook," which she said was a psychological hook of some kind that she had seen in TM'ers and former TM'ers. Dunno why she thought I didn't have one. See, that's exactly what I am saying. Some people see this kind of thing, same type of people who see auras etc. I basically had this kind of thought, about a 'TM- implant', hook or device, which some people can obviously see, and have observed with TMers, and all I wanted to do is to get it out into the open. I am not an expert on implants obviously. Now, get this clear, these people are usually not anti cult experts or deprogrammers. I admit, there is some overlap, because it all relates to some kind of spiritual programming, we all underwent, in a more or less degree. But I think there is more than just an intelectual component to these 'hooks'. They are subtle physical forces, and of course they make people less free. It's basically a mental and emotional prison. Anybody remember Maharishi talking in the SoB about the 'Binding influence of thought'? Now, you TM defenders, wouldn't this also apply to the theories you were taught by Maharishi himself? All these theories he employed to sell his meditation better, all his marketing buzzwords, the whole thought construct, built upon each other, like a network of theories, a whole cluster of of related ideas, that makes you start TM, stay in TM, stay involved, involve others, all the tricks he employed quite consciously add up to this cluster, and if you kill one idea, there are still so many you stay hooked to. It takes a while and some effort to escape this prison. What are these ideas, and how do they take root, how are they planted? Well, I guess it starts with the first contact, it could start with meeting any TMer and anyone telling you TM ideas and using TM terminology. It starts at the first lecture, it starts with the second lecture and the 3 days checking, when you are told what 'transcendence' is, how it is defined physiologically, higher consciousness etc. I would say the first layer of the TM indoctrination revolves around the concepts of being, transcendence, and the supposed means how to attain it. One of the key anchoring techniques is that everything here is related to physiology. There is always an opposing force, in this case it is stress, and stress is something anchored in physiology. Like engrams on scientology. There is a lot of emphazis in the initial TM instructions on physiology, and purifying it. That is further enhanced by relating everything to some kind of scientific research. Then the next fundamental layer is groups and the world, collective consciousness. A TMer may agree that there are other valid paths out there, but he will ultimately always come back to, that it is the movement which purifies world consciousness, and this idea of the world consciousness is then linked to the group practise. The group practise, especially of sidhis, will enhance ones own progress, but also purify global consciousness. A circular logic is employed here: Individual experiences, the enlightenment of each person is seen as dependend on WC, and WC is dependend on the individual meditating. Practically this means, that people start to live in groups together, and therefore a mutual confirmation of opinions is established and sought. Like in many religions, community becomes a big factor. People feel, if they are not living in a group or community, they are being deprived of an essential right, and the fluidum of spiritual progress. In this environment, people more and more isolate themselves, and become depended of the group. Community is a big and essential factor in anyones life, and we have seen with the disclosures on scientology, that it was one of the essential factors there as well, and it is the same w
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[FairfieldLife] Spooky Spock
I'm sure Lawson has facts and figures to hand about this and if not, why not? Why evade the big questions? I think we should organise a conference between spiritual groups like the TMO and Scientology to discuss the matter. Russell Brand can host, John Hagelin can point out the connection between Xenu and the unified field and everyone else can sit there and look embarrassed. Haha, great. Here is a video for your entertainment let's call it spooky spock. Now we are not talking about implants, but about walk-ins and crawl-ins. I think they all adopt the term 'unified field' and 'quantum mechanics' all too easily. Xenu fits in right there. STAR TREK : In memory of SPOCK !!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPPg7roUQbY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPPg7roUQbY STAR TREK : In memory of SPOCK !!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPPg7roUQbY This is all me channel,art and stores. Enjoy. Google Community : The Azenders http://www.ra-key.com http://www.arcturiancouncil.com http:/... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPPg7roUQbY Preview by Yahoo
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I was once in a class with this lady who was teaching a healing thing, there were three of us former TM'ers and she said the other two had what she called a TM "hook," which she said was a psychological hook of some kind that she had seen in TM'ers and former TM'ers. Dunno why she thought I didn't have one. See, that's exactly what I am saying. Some people see this kind of thing, same type of people who see auras etc. I basically had this kind of thought, about a 'TM- implant', hook or device, which some people can obviously see, and have observed with TMers, and all I wanted to do is to get it out into the open. I am not an expert on implants obviously. Now, get this clear, these people are usually not anti cult experts or deprogrammers. I admit, there is some overlap, because it all relates to some kind of spiritual programming, we all underwent, in a more or less degree. But I think there is more than just an intelectual component to these 'hooks'. They are subtle physical forces, and of course they make people less free. It's basically a mental and emotional prison. Anybody remember Maharishi talking in the SoB about the 'Binding influence of thought'? Now, you TM defenders, wouldn't this also apply to the theories you were taught by Maharishi himself? All these theories he employed to sell his meditation better, all his marketing buzzwords, the whole thought construct, built upon each other, like a network of theories, a whole cluster of of related ideas, that makes you start TM, stay in TM, stay involved, involve others, all the tricks he employed quite consciously add up to this cluster, and if you kill one idea, there are still so many you stay hooked to. It takes a while and some effort to escape this prison. What are these ideas, and how do they take root, how are they planted? Well, I guess it starts with the first contact, it could start with meeting any TMer and anyone telling you TM ideas and using TM terminology. It starts at the first lecture, it starts with the second lecture and the 3 days checking, when you are told what 'transcendence' is, how it is defined physiologically, higher consciousness etc. I would say the first layer of the TM indoctrination revolves around the concepts of being, transcendence, and the supposed means how to attain it. One of the key anchoring techniques is that everything here is related to physiology. There is always an opposing force, in this case it is stress, and stress is something anchored in physiology. Like engrams on scientology. There is a lot of emphazis in the initial TM instructions on physiology, and purifying it. That is further enhanced by relating everything to some kind of scientific research. Then the next fundamental layer is groups and the world, collective consciousness. A TMer may agree that there are other valid paths out there, but he will ultimately always come back to, that it is the movement which purifies world consciousness, and this idea of the world consciousness is then linked to the group practise. The group practise, especially of sidhis, will enhance ones own progress, but also purify global consciousness. A circular logic is employed here: Individual experiences, the enlightenment of each person is seen as dependend on WC, and WC is dependend on the individual meditating. Practically this means, that people start to live in groups together, and therefore a mutual confirmation of opinions is established and sought. Like in many religions, community becomes a big factor. People feel, if they are not living in a group or community, they are being deprived of an essential right, and the fluidum of spiritual progress. In this environment, people more and more isolate themselves, and become depended of the group. Community is a big and essential factor in anyones life, and we have seen with the disclosures on scientology, that it was one of the essential factors there as well, and it is the same with any deceived youth joining the ISIS in syria, (they are also called ISIS tourists now ;-) ) If you manage, to unwind some of this layering of ideas, you will still have the previous layer working in you. Maybe you abondan the group idea, get out of it, and live your own life, still the previous layers - ideas - about transcendence, the higher states etc form part of your innermost convictions. You still remain on the 'hook'. Barry said, that especially TM teachers, as they not only are recepients of these ideas, but actually promote them actively, are more indoctrinated themselves, by the simple fact, that they make these ideas their own. That is very true, for any adaptation of ideas, but we have also seen the phenomenon, that mere sidhas or meditators, try to copy this behaviour, and copy TM teachers, by parroting what they say - maybe because they believe they get a spiritual upgrade this way. Just remember
Re: [FairfieldLife] Odd news story of the day...
I honestly don't know what's more pathetic -- hiring strippers to perform at
your funeral to draw a bigger crowd, or spending your last days trying to
convince your sycophants to "erect" a bunch of phallic symbols with your name
on them ("Maharishi Towers of Invincibility") all over the world to perpetuate
your memory.
From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 10:46 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Odd news story of the day...
Beijing cracks down on 'uncivilised' strip shows at funerals
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Be kind. Try to live a virtuous life. Then, when the time comes, crowds may
come to your funeral. In rural China, apparently, it also helps to attract
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[FairfieldLife] Odd news story of the day...
Beijing cracks down on 'uncivilised' strip shows at funerals http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/funeral-strippers-beijing-cracks-down-on-uncivilised-practice-of-using-exotic-dancers-to-attract-mourners-to-ceremonies-in-rural-china-10199606.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/funeral-strippers-beijing-cracks-down-on-uncivilised-practice-of-using-exotic-dancers-to-attract-mourners-to-ceremonies-in-rural-china-10199606.html Beijing cracks down on 'uncivilised' strip shows... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/funeral-strippers-beijing-cracks-down-on-uncivilised-practice-of-using-exotic-dancers-to-attract-mourners-to-ceremonies-in-rural-china-10199606.html Be kind. Try to live a virtuous life. Then, when the time comes, crowds may come to your funeral. In rural China, apparently, it also helps to attract mo... View on www.independent.co.uk http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/funeral-strippers-beijing-cracks-down-on-uncivilised-practice-of-using-exotic-dancers-to-attract-mourners-to-ceremonies-in-rural-china-10199606.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] One of the best drummers on this planet?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
What neither of them (Buck and WillyTheDoucheBag) seems to understand is that their act is straight out of the Cult Playbook, and so obviously so that it brands them as cultists and the organization they think they're protecting as a cult to anyone who is familiar with the tactic. This tactic has been written about by religious sociologists for hundreds of years. It's what happens when a group that has gathered around a charismatic figure or an outlying set of beliefs suddenly finds that neither the charisma nor the beliefs are working for them any more. Whereas in the early days of their cult they were able to rant and preach and have people actually listen to them (and a certain small percentage of the listeners actually want to join up and become part of the cult), now what happens when they rant is that people laugh at them. The charisma is long gone and the beliefs -- finally seen in the light of day without the charisma making them look more reasonable -- are seen by anyone listening as ludicrous. The thing that cultists fear most is NOT persecution. It's NOT disbelief. It's being laughed at. So when a cult or spiritual organization has reached the stage of its history in which it's being laughed at a LOT, what they do is attempt to "circle the wagons" and convince the few remaining cult members that they're being persecuted. The claim of persecution thus actually becomes a tactic to make people's beliefs stronger, because nothing inspires belief in the unbelievable like becoming convinced that someone wants to stop you from believing it. In his posts this morning (my time), Buck has essentially *ADMITTED* doing this. He isn't *really* concerned that people are "persecuting" TMers on this forum -- that's all an act, and has been since Day One of "Buck's" appearance on FFL. It's a fiction. It's falling back on the oldest tactic in religious history. As Salyavin says, what sane people would do when discussing their beliefs on a public forum is "put their opinion forward reasonably like everyone else does round here and then let it stand or fall on its own merits or back it up with further arguments if necessary." What insane people do is stop presenting any arguments whatsoever and scream loudly, "They're trying to persecute me because of my beliefs." This ploy actually works on a few people. Stupid people. Smart people see through it and lose all respect not only for the person attempting this tactic, but for the organization or cult in whose name it is being done. From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In other words, you made up this whole "Buck" act out of whole cloth so you could attack the people YOU wanted to attack and whine endlessly and hopefully make lurkers think that TMers were being somehow persecuted when they weren't. How evolved of you. Nice of you to finally admit it, however. Now everyone can ignore your silly ass without feeling the least bit guilty about it. No wonder you're identifying with Willytex these days...you're just like him, a total fiction. The main trouble with "Bucks" fanaticism is that - like Willytex's - it isn't very effective in securing its aims. They both come across as utterly demented and it doesn't matter how many times it's pointed out to them they just carry on regardless thus painting the True Believer as an unaware obsessive. Or maybe that's the idea A better approach would surely be to put your opinion forward reasonably like everyone else does round here and then let it stand or fall on its own merits or back it up with further arguments if necessary. It's not complicated. From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 4:07 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count Back sometime ago when Marek waswith us, by his example I advertized then that the FFL list to bemore complete as a communal discussion group of substantial materialshould need a 'public defender' of the TB-faithful to present theTB-TM thought here during periods when it was not represented byTB'ers themselves. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : That was for the community here.No one came forward so that was when the voice of Buck arrived, apractical old experienced voice of transcendentalism to push skepticsand apostates back alike who had then rolled over the FFL communityas like the fanatical fundamentalism of IS has swept over whole areasof Syria. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A push back, a kindcounter-offensive evidently was in order for all the damage beingrendered in the reduced scope of communal discussion on our FFLcommunity by a character of intolerant writers cutting good peopledown at their knees by employing a methodical crossfire of unkindpersonal invective as weapon against both the TM-TB's and theexperiential-based transcendentalist me
