[FairfieldLife] This is what the morons in Washington have done to your health care.
Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care A Mount Dora doctor posted a sign telling Obama health care supporters to go elsewhere. [Sign at the office door of Dr. Jack Cassell, a Mount Dora urologist.] Sign at the office door of Dr. Jack Cassell, a Mount Dora urologist. (Photo by Deirdre Lewis / April 1, 2010) http://ad.doubleclick.net/click%3Bh%3Dv8/3970/3/0/%2a/y%3B217146054%3B0\ -0%3B1%3B31530032%3B4-234/60%3B32900819/32918696/1%3Bu%3Dhttp%3A//www.or\ landosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-mount-dora-doctor-tells-pat\ ients-go-aw20100401%2C0%2C6040296%2Cfull.story%3B%7Eokv%3D%3Bptype%3Ds%3\ Bslug%3Dos-mount-dora-doctor-tells-patients-go-aw20100401%3Brg%3Dur%3Bre\ f%3Ddrudgereportcom%3Bpos%3D2%3Bsz%3D234x60%3Btile%3D2%3Bat%3DRepublican\ +Party%3Bat%3DCrime+Law+and+Justice%3Bat%3DWilliam+Allen%3Bat%3DHealth%3\ Bat%3DFlorida+Hospital%3Bat%3DPolitics%3Bat%3DAlan+M+Grayson%3Bat%3DUniv\ ersity+of+Florida%3Bat%3DFreedom+of+the+Press%3Bat%3DColleges+and+Univer\ sities%3Bat%3DClubs+and+Associations%3Bat%3DDrugs+and+Medicines%3Bat%3DM\ edical+Services%3Bat%3DBarack+Obama%3Bat%3DElections%3Bat%3DJustice+Syst\ em%3Bat%3DHospitals+and+Clinics%3Bu%3Dhttp%3A//www.orlandosentinel.com/n\ ews/local/breakingnews%3B%7Eaopt%3D2/1/18/1%3B%7Esscs%3D%3fhttp://thegui\ de.orlandosentinel.com/events-and-festivals?track=orl-mark-guide-events http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/trb.orlandosentinel/news/local/breakingn\ ews;ptype=s;slug=os-mount-dora-doctor-tells-patients-go-aw20100401;rg=ur\ ;ref=drudgereportcom;pos=2;sz=234x60;tile=2;at=Republican Party;at=Crime Law and Justice;at=William Allen;at=Health;at=Florida Hospital;at=Politics;at=Alan M Grayson;at=University of Florida;at=Freedom of the Press;at=Colleges and Universities;at=Clubs and Associations;at=Drugs and Medicines;at=Medical Services;at=Barack Obama;at=Elections;at=Justice System;at=Hospitals and Clinics;u=http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-moun\ t-dora-doctor-tells-patients-go-aw20100401,0,6040296,full.story;ord=1327\ 8803? * Related * [Sign at the office door of Dr. Jack Cassell, a Mount Dora urologist.] http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-doctor-sign,0\ ,3847557.photo Sign at the office door of Dr. Jack Cassell, a Mount Dora urologist. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-doctor-sign,0\ ,3847557.photo * [Dr. Jack Cassell] http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-lk-dr-jack-ca\ ssell,0,7880856.photo Dr. Jack Cassell http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-lk-dr-jack-ca\ ssell,0,7880856.photo * Poll: OK for doctor to protest health-care bill by shunning Obama voters? Lake County urologist Dr. Jack Cassell has put up a sign on his office door reading, If you voted for Obama seek urologic care elsewhere. What do you think? What is your reaction to Dr. Jack Cassell's actions? * Good for him. Obamacare will be a disaster, and we should keep fighting it. * Get over it, Doc. Health-care reform was badly needed, and this is just more sour grapes from the GOP. * Prescription for trouble. No matter what you think of the health-care overhaul, doctors should not impose their political views on patients. * [Multimedia] Multimedia * Complete coverage of Florida governor's race http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orl-governors-race-sg,0,58617\ 10.storygallery * [Stories] Stories * [Kosmas touts health care reform#8217;s benefits for children] http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/os-kosmas-health-reform-2010040\ 1,0,7605742.story Kosmas touts health care reform's benefits for children http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/os-kosmas-health-reform-2010040\ 1,0,7605742.story * Photos from political events in Central Florida http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/photos/ * [Read the Political Pulse blog] http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/ Read the Political Pulse blog http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/ * See more stories » http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-mount-dora-do\ ctor-tells-patients-go-aw20100401,0,6040296,full.story# * X Read Scott Maxwell's Taking Names the Blog http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_namesblog/ Read Mike Thomas' blog http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_columnist_mikethomas/ * Topics http://www.orlandosentinel.com/topic *Republican Party http://www.orlandosentinel.com/topic/politics/parties-movements/republi\ can-party-ORGOV004.topic *William Allen http://www.orlandosentinel.com/topic/politics/government/william-allen-\ PEHST002299.topic *Florida Hospital
[FairfieldLife] Obama Zombies-How the Liberal Machine Brainwashed My Generation!
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[FairfieldLife] Obama Zombies-youtube book review.
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[FairfieldLife] Democrat congressman afraid Guam might *tip-over*!
Watch and this and BE afraid, be VERY afraid, these folks are making life and death decisions for us: http://digg.com/search?sort=newestfltdigg=o50s=site%3Ayoutube.com or, http://digg.com/world_news/Congressman_thinks_Guam_will_tip_over_and_capsize
[FairfieldLife] Re: Democrat congressman afraid Guam might *tip-over*!
Tip over and *capsize*...nice try Judy! Ha, ha, actually I guess the congressman has been suffering with Hepatitis C for some time... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: Watch and this and BE afraid, be VERY afraid, these folks are making life and death decisions for us: http://digg.com/search?sort=newestfltdigg=o50s=site%3Ayoutube.com or, http://digg.com/world_news/Congressman_thinks_Guam_will_tip_over_and_capsize I watched the video, and my instant reaction was that he meant it metaphorically. He went on to make a number of comments about the environmental problems that would be created by putting that many additional people on such a small island. It appeared obvious to me that this was what he was referring to. Tip is a verb often used metaphorically with regard to the point at which an environment begins to deteriorate irretrievably (including in the context of global warming). Then I went and looked him up on the Web. His Wikipedia page mentions the incident and quotes his spokesman: I wasn't suggesting that the island of Guam would literally tip over. I was using a metaphor to say that with the addition of 8,000 Marines and their dependents an additional 80,000 people during peak construction to the port on the tiny island with a population of 180,000 could be a tipping point which would adversely affect the island's fragile ecosystem and over burden its already overstressed infrastructure. Having traveled to Guam last year, I saw firsthand how this beautiful but vulnerable island is already overburdened, and I was simply voicing my concerns that the addition of that many people could tip the delicate balance and do harm to Guam. Wikipedia introduces the quote by saying, In what may have been an attempt at damage control... Well, of course it was an attempt at damage control, but only of the damage created by the intentional misunderstanding of his remark promoted by people of ill will. There's no reason to think it wasn't exactly what he had in mind at the time. The admiral he was questioning seems to have taken it that way, chuckling at the jocular metaphor. He didn't seem surprised or embarrassed by it (as he most likely would have been had he taken it as having been meant literally) and went on to address the congressman's concerns about overpopulation of the island. FWIW, Johnson is a practicing Buddhist, one of only two in Congress. The example of certain people on FFL to the contrary, I'm not sure you can be a total nitwit and also be a practicing Buddhist.
[FairfieldLife] Obama-The beginning of Liberal Facism/Real change!
Liberal Fascism From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism#column-one , search http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism#searchInput Liberal Fascism [Liberal Fascism (cover).jpg] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Liberal_Fascism_%28cover%29.jpg Author Jonah Goldberg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah_Goldberg Country United States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States Language English http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language Subject(s) Politics Publisher http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publisher Doubleday http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doubleday_%28publisher%29 Publication date January 8, 2008 Media type Print (Hardcover http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcover ) Pages 496 ISBN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number 0385511841 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0385511841 OCLC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Computer_Library_Center Number 123136367 http://worldcat.org/oclc/123136367Dewey Decimal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Decimal_Classification 320.53/3 22 LC Classification http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Congress_Classification JC481 .G55 2007 Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning is a bestselling book on the origins and nature of fascist movements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism by Jonah Goldberg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah_Goldberg , a conservative http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism syndicated columnist and the editor-at-large of National Review Online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Review . The book, published in January 2008, reached #1 on the New York Times Best Seller list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Best_Seller_list of hardcover http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcover non-fiction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-fiction in its seventh week on the list.[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism#cite_note-0 The book has been controversial; critics include Matthew Feldman, and Chip Berlet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_Berlet [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism#cite_note-1 while those praising it include Michael Ledeen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ledeen and Ron Radosh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Radosh .[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism#cite_note-2 [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism#cite_note-3 Contents [hide] * 1 Summary of contents http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism#Summary_of_contents * 2 Origin of title and cover http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism#Origin_of_title_and_cover * 3 Daily Show appearance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism#Daily_Show_appearance * 4 Positive reviews http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism#Positive_reviews * 5 Negative reviews http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism#Negative_reviews * 6 Notes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism#Notes * 7 External links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism#External_links [edit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Liberal_Fascismaction=edits\ ection=1 ] Summary of contents In the book, Goldberg argues that fascist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism movements were and are left-wing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics . He states that both modern liberalism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism and fascism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism descended from progressivism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism , and that prior to World War II http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II , fascism was widely viewed as a progressive social movement with many liberal and left-wing adherents in Europe and the United States.[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism#cite_note-4 Goldberg writes that there was more to fascism than bigotry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry and genocide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide , and argues that bigotry and genocide were not so much a feature of Italian fascism, but rather of German Nazism, which was forced upon the Italian fascists after the Nazis had invaded northern Italy and created a puppet government http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Social_Republic in Salò http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sal%C3%B2 .[6] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism#cite_note-5 He argues that over time, the term fascism has lost its original meaning and has descended to the level of being a modern word for 'heretic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy ,' branding an individual worthy of excommunication from the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism
[FairfieldLife] Re: EVERY Republican voted against Clinton's Economic Plan
No way, Bush let us conservative Republicans down BIG TIME. Look there's plenty of blame to go around, but this recent group is the worst, mark my words, they have they're heads in the sand and America, as we knew it, is disappearing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: And this all happened since Obama took office.? Up until then, it was all hunky dory.? This war in Iraq, not adding to the deficit? This war in Iraq - care to discuss our ROI? Tell me Dix, what has been our ROI on that. At least Shemp, for all his conservative leanings, recognizes that the fiscal irresponsibility is on both sides of the isle. But you seem not to even concede that. You also don't seem to willing to address other points brought up. But that seems to be the case often with you, I have observed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: No..it will be, the economy stinks, there are no jobs, Obama and Gore are worried about Global Warming and in the mean time the ship of state is sinking. SS BROKE, Medicare BROKE, sustained promises by government in the form of Union pensions foreordain the collapse of the entire system before Obama leaves office..too much *GREECE* my friends. WE need REAL change NOW! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: The Dems will pick up seats, instead of lose them. Bring it On. What is the battle cry for the Repulicans going to be: HE GAVE HEALTH CARE TO CHILDREN. HE TOLD INSURANCE COMPANIES THEY COULDN'T DENY COVERAGE FOR PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS. THIS IS NOT AMERICA, THIS IS SOCIALISM. THESE MEASURES MUST BE REPEALED --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: President Clinton signed into law the largest deficit reduction plan in history As part of the 1993 Economic Plan, President Clinton cut taxes on 15 million low-income families and made tax cuts available to 90 percent of small businesses, while raising taxes on just 1.2 percent of the wealthiest taxpayers. From Wikipedia: The Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 ... was passed by the 103rd United States Congress http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/103rd_United_States_Congress and signed into law by President http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States Bill Clinton http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton . It has also been referred to as the Deficit Reduction Act of 1993. Part XIII, which dealt with taxes, is also called the Revenue Reconciliation Act of 1993. [...and just like today's Republicans ] Ultimately *every Republican in Congress voted against the bill,* as did a number of Democrats. Vice President http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States Al Gore http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore broke a tie in the Senate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate on both the Senate bill and the conference report http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress_Conference_committe\ \ e#The_conference_report . The House bill passed 219-213.[1] http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1993/roll199.xml The House passed the conference report on Thursday, August 5, 1993, by a vote of 218 to 216 (217 Democrats and 1 independent (Sanders http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders (VT-I)) voting in favor; 41 Democrats and 175 Republicans voting against) ...The Senate passed the conference report ... on Friday, August 6, 1993, by a vote of 51 to 50 (50 Democrats plus Vice President Gore voting in favor, ... and 44 Republicans voting against). President Clinton signed the bill on August 10, 1993. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Budget_Reconciliation_Act_of_1993#L\ \ egislative_history [Results:] During the Bill Clinton Presidency: * Average economic growth of 4.0 percent per year, compared to average growth of 2.8 percent during the previous years. The economy grew for 116 consecutive months, the most in history.[36] * Creation of more than 22.5 million jobsthe most jobs ever created under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous 12 years. Of the total new jobs, 20.7 million, or 92 percent, were in the private sector.[37] * Economic gains spurred an increase in family incomes for all Americans. Since 1993, real median family income increased by $6,338, from $42,612 in 1993 to $48,950 in 1999 (in 1999 dollars).[38] * Overall unemployment dropped to the lowest level in more than 30 years, down from 6.9 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in January 2001. The unemployment rate was below 5 percent for 40 consecutive
[FairfieldLife] MMY responds favorably to Ronald Reagan's SDI. Youtube.
Calls Ronald Reagan, intuitive!!! Good for MMY, see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkC9IusniMw
[FairfieldLife] Re: Republican even in death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: -- The start of Spring is seen by Al Gore as proof of global warming -- Bill Clinton That (inscription on tombstone) is priceless, I know exactly how he feels, ha, ha, right on bro...
[FairfieldLife] Re: EVERY Republican voted against Clinton's Economic Plan
Thank God he had a Republican Congress! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20...@... wrote: Not a single Republican vote. Sound familiar ?Clinton led America to create tremendous prosperity, surpluses, peace and put the U.S. clearly in a beneficent and dominant role at end of his second term. No good deed goes unpunished - and the Republicans, green with envy at Clinton's economic record - relentlessly pursued Clinton with accusations of immorality and perjury witch hunts that led to impeachment by the House, and just short of expulsion from the Presidency by the Senate. G W Bush quickly sewed up the 2000 Republican Presidential nomination, then stole the general election, with the aid of the Supreme Court. The next decade was a disaster largely under complete Republican control. The Republicans have less than zero credibility. November is going to be an aberration as a mid-term election. The Dems will pick up seats, instead of lose them. Bring it On. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: President Clinton signed into law the largest deficit reduction plan in history As part of the 1993 Economic Plan, President Clinton cut taxes on 15 million low-income families and made tax cuts available to 90 percent of small businesses, while raising taxes on just 1.2 percent of the wealthiest taxpayers. From Wikipedia: The Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 ... was passed by the 103rd United States Congress http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/103rd_United_States_Congress and signed into law by President http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States Bill Clinton http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton . It has also been referred to as the Deficit Reduction Act of 1993. Part XIII, which dealt with taxes, is also called the Revenue Reconciliation Act of 1993. [...and just like today's Republicans ] Ultimately *every Republican in Congress voted against the bill,* as did a number of Democrats. Vice President http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States Al Gore http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore broke a tie in the Senate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate on both the Senate bill and the conference report http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress_Conference_committe\ e#The_conference_report . The House bill passed 219-213.[1] http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1993/roll199.xml The House passed the conference report on Thursday, August 5, 1993, by a vote of 218 to 216 (217 Democrats and 1 independent (Sanders http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders (VT-I)) voting in favor; 41 Democrats and 175 Republicans voting against) ...The Senate passed the conference report ... on Friday, August 6, 1993, by a vote of 51 to 50 (50 Democrats plus Vice President Gore voting in favor, ... and 44 Republicans voting against). President Clinton signed the bill on August 10, 1993. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Budget_Reconciliation_Act_of_1993#L\ egislative_history [Results:] During the Bill Clinton Presidency: * Average economic growth of 4.0 percent per year, compared to average growth of 2.8 percent during the previous years. The economy grew for 116 consecutive months, the most in history.[36] * Creation of more than 22.5 million jobsthe most jobs ever created under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous 12 years. Of the total new jobs, 20.7 million, or 92 percent, were in the private sector.[37] * Economic gains spurred an increase in family incomes for all Americans. Since 1993, real median family income increased by $6,338, from $42,612 in 1993 to $48,950 in 1999 (in 1999 dollars).[38] * Overall unemployment dropped to the lowest level in more than 30 years, down from 6.9 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in January 2001. The unemployment rate was below 5 percent for 40 consecutive months. Unemployment for African Americans fell from 14.2 percent in 1992 to 7.3 percent in 2000, the lowest rate on record. Unemployment for Hispanics fell from 11.8 percent in October 1992 to 5.0 percent in 2000, also the lowest rate on record.[37] * Inflation dropped to its lowest rate since the Kennedy Administration, averaging 2.5 percent, and fell from 4.7 percent during the previous administration.[39] * The homeownership rate reached 67.7 percent near the end of the Clinton administration, the highest rate on record. In contrast, the homeownership rate fell from 65.6 percent in the first quarter of 1981 to 63.7 percent in the first quarter of 1993.[40] * The poverty rate also declined from 15.1 percent in 1993 to 11.8 percent in 1999, the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. This left 7 million fewer people in poverty than there were in
[FairfieldLife] Re: EVERY Republican voted against Clinton's Economic Plan
Don't forget about that little Bill Gates thingy and Oh yes, my dear that little dot com thingy too.just minor of course. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20...@... wrote: The Republicans voted unanimously AGAINST the Clinton Revenue Reconciliation Act of 1993. The Republicans had NO PART in the legislation that created the basis of economic strength, prosperity and surpluses in the decade of the 90s. The Republican Congress true colors were revealed as soon as G W Bush took office. Together Bush and the Republican Congress immediately did what they always do - cut taxes on the wealthiest. First and foremost, Republicans cut taxes on the wealthy. Reagan the Republican in the 1980s also dismantled America's then-role as the largest creditor nation into the largest debtor nation, before Reagan left office in 1989. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: Thank God he had a Republican Congress! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: Not a single Republican vote. Sound familiar ?Clinton led America to create tremendous prosperity, surpluses, peace and put the U.S. clearly in a beneficent and dominant role at end of his second term. No good deed goes unpunished - and the Republicans, green with envy at Clinton's economic record - relentlessly pursued Clinton with accusations of immorality and perjury witch hunts that led to impeachment by the House, and just short of expulsion from the Presidency by the Senate. G W Bush quickly sewed up the 2000 Republican Presidential nomination, then stole the general election, with the aid of the Supreme Court. The next decade was a disaster largely under complete Republican control. The Republicans have less than zero credibility. November is going to be an aberration as a mid-term election. The Dems will pick up seats, instead of lose them. Bring it On. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: President Clinton signed into law the largest deficit reduction plan in history As part of the 1993 Economic Plan, President Clinton cut taxes on 15 million low-income families and made tax cuts available to 90 percent of small businesses, while raising taxes on just 1.2 percent of the wealthiest taxpayers. From Wikipedia: The Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 ... was passed by the 103rd United States Congress http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/103rd_United_States_Congress and signed into law by President http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States Bill Clinton http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton . It has also been referred to as the Deficit Reduction Act of 1993. Part XIII, which dealt with taxes, is also called the Revenue Reconciliation Act of 1993. [...and just like today's Republicans ] Ultimately *every Republican in Congress voted against the bill,* as did a number of Democrats. Vice President http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States Al Gore http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore broke a tie in the Senate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate on both the Senate bill and the conference report http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress_Conference_committe\ e#The_conference_report . The House bill passed 219-213.[1] http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1993/roll199.xml The House passed the conference report on Thursday, August 5, 1993, by a vote of 218 to 216 (217 Democrats and 1 independent (Sanders http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders (VT-I)) voting in favor; 41 Democrats and 175 Republicans voting against) ...The Senate passed the conference report ... on Friday, August 6, 1993, by a vote of 51 to 50 (50 Democrats plus Vice President Gore voting in favor, ... and 44 Republicans voting against). President Clinton signed the bill on August 10, 1993. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Budget_Reconciliation_Act_of_1993#L\ egislative_history [Results:] During the Bill Clinton Presidency: * Average economic growth of 4.0 percent per year, compared to average growth of 2.8 percent during the previous years. The economy grew for 116 consecutive months, the most in history.[36] * Creation of more than 22.5 million jobsthe most jobs ever created under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous 12 years. Of the total new jobs, 20.7 million, or 92 percent, were in the private sector.[37] * Economic gains spurred an increase in family incomes for all Americans. Since 1993, real median family income increased by $6,338, from $42,612 in 1993 to $48,950 in 1999 (in 1999 dollars).[38
[FairfieldLife] Re: EVERY Republican voted against Clinton's Economic Plan
No..it will be, the economy stinks, there are no jobs, Obama and Gore are worried about Global Warming and in the mean time the ship of state is sinking. SS BROKE, Medicare BROKE, sustained promises by government in the form of Union pensions foreordain the collapse of the entire system before Obama leaves office..too much *GREECE* my friends. WE need REAL change NOW! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: The Dems will pick up seats, instead of lose them. Bring it On. What is the battle cry for the Repulicans going to be: HE GAVE HEALTH CARE TO CHILDREN. HE TOLD INSURANCE COMPANIES THEY COULDN'T DENY COVERAGE FOR PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS. THIS IS NOT AMERICA, THIS IS SOCIALISM. THESE MEASURES MUST BE REPEALED --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: President Clinton signed into law the largest deficit reduction plan in history As part of the 1993 Economic Plan, President Clinton cut taxes on 15 million low-income families and made tax cuts available to 90 percent of small businesses, while raising taxes on just 1.2 percent of the wealthiest taxpayers. From Wikipedia: The Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 ... was passed by the 103rd United States Congress http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/103rd_United_States_Congress and signed into law by President http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States Bill Clinton http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton . It has also been referred to as the Deficit Reduction Act of 1993. Part XIII, which dealt with taxes, is also called the Revenue Reconciliation Act of 1993. [...and just like today's Republicans ] Ultimately *every Republican in Congress voted against the bill,* as did a number of Democrats. Vice President http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States Al Gore http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore broke a tie in the Senate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate on both the Senate bill and the conference report http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress_Conference_committe\ e#The_conference_report . The House bill passed 219-213.[1] http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1993/roll199.xml The House passed the conference report on Thursday, August 5, 1993, by a vote of 218 to 216 (217 Democrats and 1 independent (Sanders http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders (VT-I)) voting in favor; 41 Democrats and 175 Republicans voting against) ...The Senate passed the conference report ... on Friday, August 6, 1993, by a vote of 51 to 50 (50 Democrats plus Vice President Gore voting in favor, ... and 44 Republicans voting against). President Clinton signed the bill on August 10, 1993. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Budget_Reconciliation_Act_of_1993#L\ egislative_history [Results:] During the Bill Clinton Presidency: * Average economic growth of 4.0 percent per year, compared to average growth of 2.8 percent during the previous years. The economy grew for 116 consecutive months, the most in history.[36] * Creation of more than 22.5 million jobsthe most jobs ever created under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous 12 years. Of the total new jobs, 20.7 million, or 92 percent, were in the private sector.[37] * Economic gains spurred an increase in family incomes for all Americans. Since 1993, real median family income increased by $6,338, from $42,612 in 1993 to $48,950 in 1999 (in 1999 dollars).[38] * Overall unemployment dropped to the lowest level in more than 30 years, down from 6.9 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in January 2001. The unemployment rate was below 5 percent for 40 consecutive months. Unemployment for African Americans fell from 14.2 percent in 1992 to 7.3 percent in 2000, the lowest rate on record. Unemployment for Hispanics fell from 11.8 percent in October 1992 to 5.0 percent in 2000, also the lowest rate on record.[37] * Inflation dropped to its lowest rate since the Kennedy Administration, averaging 2.5 percent, and fell from 4.7 percent during the previous administration.[39] * The homeownership rate reached 67.7 percent near the end of the Clinton administration, the highest rate on record. In contrast, the homeownership rate fell from 65.6 percent in the first quarter of 1981 to 63.7 percent in the first quarter of 1993.[40] * The poverty rate also declined from 15.1 percent in 1993 to 11.8 percent in 1999, the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. This left 7 million fewer people in poverty than there were in 1993.[41] * The surplus in fiscal year 2000 was $237 billionthe third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever.[40] *
[FairfieldLife] For Mr. Do-Believer; Deficits to surge!
CBO report: Debt will rise to 90% of GDP. By David M. Dickson http://www.washingtontimes.com/staff/david-m-dickson/ President Obama's fiscal 2011 budget will generate nearly $10 trillion in cumulative budget deficits over the next 10 years, $1.2 trillion more than the administration projected, and raise the federal debt to 90 percent of the nation's economic output by 2020, the Congressional Budget Office reported Thursday. In its 2011 budget, which the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) released Feb. 1, the administration projected a 10-year deficit total of $8.53 trillion. After looking it over, CBO said in its final analysis, released Thursday, that the president's budget would generate a combined $9.75 trillion in deficits over the next decade. An additional $1.2 trillion in debt dumped on [GDP] to our children makes a huge difference, said Brian Riedl, a budget analyst at the conservative Heritage Foundation. That represents an additional debt of $10,000 per household above and beyond the federal debt they are already carrying. The federal public debt, which was $6.3 trillion ($56,000 per household) when Mr. Obama entered office amid an economic crisis, totals $8.2 trillion ($72,000 per household) today, and it's headed toward $20.3 trillion (more than $170,000 per household) in 2020, according to CBO's deficit estimates. That figure would equal 90 percent of the estimated gross domestic product in 2020, up from 40 percent at the end of fiscal 2008. By comparison, America's debt-to-GDP ratio peaked at 109 percent at the end of World War II, while the ratio for economically troubled Greece hit 115 percent last year. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/26/cbos-2020-vision-debt-wi\ ll-rise-to-90-of-gdp/
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Mr. Do-Believer; Deficits to surge!
policy, said Diane Lim Rogers, the chief economist for the Concord Coalition, a nonpartisan budget watchdog group. They're now Obama policy. Leaving Bush-era tax cuts in place for all but the top 5 percent of taxpayers would cost the Treasury $2 trillion over 10 years, she said. The cost of paying interest on the swelling national debt, much of it held by foreign central banks, also drives up the debt by about $1.3 trillion over 10 years. That's almost twice as much as the $700 billion Wall Street rescue package, which passed last year amid great controversy. Congressional committees will begin writing their own versions of the budget next week. Moderate Democrats already are uniting to promote budget discipline in what could become a challenge to Obama's agenda. Sixteen Democrats, led by Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh, have formed the Moderate Dems Working Group, and have begun meeting to discuss how to pare spending. There are a lot of like-minded Democrats concerned about spending in the budget. We're not anti-administration, but we want everyone to recognize some of us are fiscally conservative, said Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb. In the House, the Blue Dog Coalition, a group of 47 centrist Democrats, drew up a set of principles this week to guide the budget, emphasizing a need to reduce spending. Its biggest push is to hold nondefense discretionary spending, which Obama would increase by about 14 percent next year, to the level of inflation. Over the past 12 months, consumer prices are up about 0.2 percent, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Younger moderates bring a generational perspective. I am one of the few (lawmakers) who may actually have to end up paying for the deficits we're currently running up, said Rep. Tom Perriello, D-Va., a 34-year-old freshman. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/03/20/64528/cbo-obamas-budget-would-dou\ ble.html#ixzz0jJPH8g9R http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/03/20/64528/cbo-obamas-budget-would-doub\ le.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: CBO report: Debt will rise to 90% of GDP. By David M. Dickson http://www.washingtontimes.com/staff/david-m-dickson/ President Obama's fiscal 2011 budget will generate nearly $10 trillion in cumulative budget deficits over the next 10 years, $1.2 trillion more than the administration projected, and raise the federal debt to 90 percent of the nation's economic output by 2020, the Congressional Budget Office reported Thursday. In its 2011 budget, which the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) released Feb. 1, the administration projected a 10-year deficit total of $8.53 trillion. After looking it over, CBO said in its final analysis, released Thursday, that the president's budget would generate a combined $9.75 trillion in deficits over the next decade. An additional $1.2 trillion in debt dumped on [GDP] to our children makes a huge difference, said Brian Riedl, a budget analyst at the conservative Heritage Foundation. That represents an additional debt of $10,000 per household above and beyond the federal debt they are already carrying. The federal public debt, which was $6.3 trillion ($56,000 per household) when Mr. Obama entered office amid an economic crisis, totals $8.2 trillion ($72,000 per household) today, and it's headed toward $20.3 trillion (more than $170,000 per household) in 2020, according to CBO's deficit estimates. That figure would equal 90 percent of the estimated gross domestic product in 2020, up from 40 percent at the end of fiscal 2008. By comparison, America's debt-to-GDP ratio peaked at 109 percent at the end of World War II, while the ratio for economically troubled Greece hit 115 percent last year. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/26/cbos-2020-vision-debt-wi\ \ ll-rise-to-90-of-gdp/
[FairfieldLife] The coming Armageddon!
http://www.usdebtclock.org/index.html And Barack Obama isn't even addressing this, even if you include his so-called health reform package, it's nothing but chump change. They're more interested in social engineering than the ship of state which is foundering and they're measuring the windows for blindsgo figure! Well America, American gets what America deserves and America now 'deserves' Barack Obama, may it RIP.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A cartoon from 1934
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Dictatorial Congress? What the hell are you talking about??? The Democrats are doing what they were *elected* to do. Maybe you need to look at this cartoon again: Dude! expand your vocabulary skills: Main Entry: dic·ta·to·ri·al 1 a : of, relating to, or befitting a dictator dictatorial power b : ruled by a dictator 2 : oppressive to or arrogantly overbearing toward others. Dictorial has more than one meaning, I know your one cylinder brain can only handle one meaning of a word at a time especially when THAT meaning supports your conclusion but please look before you leapI was using it in the context of the 2nd entry, duh.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The coming Armageddon!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: http://www.usdebtclock.org/index.html And Barack Obama isn't even addressing this, even if you include his so-called health reform package, it's nothing but chump change. They're more interested in social engineering than the ship of state which is foundering and they're measuring the windows for blindsgo figure! Well America, American gets what America deserves and America now 'deserves' Barack Obama, may it RIP. Billy Gee Whiz is repeating the right wing talking points of misinformation and denying the realities that since Obama took office his policies have *turned around* the catastrophic direction of the economy he inherited when he took office. Once again... Let's see, the recession started December of 2007. Dude-when are you going to stop living in the past. There's enough blame to go around on both sides. We need solutions NOW, who cares WHO did it, how do we FIX it? All of our social programs are going/gone broke!! You've apparently got your head in the sand, dude, Medicare and Social Security are/or are going broke!! That just didn't start under Bush! Social Security...going broke! Medicare going broke
[FairfieldLife] Re: The coming Armageddon!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: http://www.usdebtclock.org/index.html And Barack Obama isn't even addressing this, even if you include his so-called health reform package, it's nothing but chump change. They're more interested in social engineering than the ship of state which is foundering and they're measuring the windows for blindsgo figure! Well America, American gets what America deserves and America now 'deserves' Barack Obama, may it RIP. I've already shown what Obama's policies have done so far to turn around the economy - plus the CBO says his Health Care Reform will reduce the deficit by $138 Billion the 1st 10 yrs and $1.6 Trillion the next 10 yrs. What have the Republicans [who for the most part CAUSED the biggest rise in debt in the last 200 years] done to help, Billy Gee Whiz? All they've done is try to block all Obama's efforts - because they're proven failures and angry, bitter sore losers. Why do you think the American people threw them out on their asses in the last 2 national elections, Billy Gee Whiz? Why do you think only 26% of the American people approve of how the Republicans have handled Health Care Reform? NOTE - as far back as 2005 it was reported that: Washington, D.C. - President George W. Bush and the current Administration have now borrowed more money from foreign governments and banks than the previous 42 U.S. presidents combined. Throughout the first 224 years (1776-2000) of our nation's history, 42 U.S. presidents borrowed a combined $1.01 trillion from foreign governments and financial institutions according to the U.S. Treasury Department. In the past four years alone (2001-2005), the Bush Administration has borrowed a staggering $1.05 trillion. http://www.house.gov/apps/list/hearing/ca18_cardoza/bush_administration_breaks_record.html Well, I'm wasting my time talking to a Obama true believer, but, the deficit is upwards of 13 trillion dollars and growing, get over just blaming Bush and the Republicans, both parties are at fault!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The coming Armageddon!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: BillyG wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: http://www.usdebtclock.org/index.html And Barack Obama isn't even addressing this, even if you include his so-called health reform package, it's nothing but chump change. They're more interested in social engineering than the ship of state which is foundering and they're measuring the windows for blindsgo figure! Well America, American gets what America deserves and America now 'deserves' Barack Obama, may it RIP. Billy Gee Whiz is repeating the right wing talking points of misinformation and denying the realities that since Obama took office his policies have *turned around* the catastrophic direction of the economy he inherited when he took office. Once again... Let's see, the recession started December of 2007. Dude-when are you going to stop living in the past. There's enough blame to go around on both sides. We need solutions NOW, who cares WHO did it, how do we FIX it? All of our social programs are going/gone broke!! You've apparently got your head in the sand, dude, Medicare and Social Security are/or are going broke!! That just didn't start under Bush! Social Security...going broke! Medicare going broke Laissez faire capitalism is the problem. It introduces entropy into the economic system creating chaos and allowing an unethical few to rob the public. Problems won't get solved until this problem with capitalism is recognized and removed. Free market capitalism has created the greatest, most opulent Nation on Earth in recent History, and yes, it can always be improved upon but not changed...please. Say YES to competition and freedom,
[FairfieldLife] Re: The coming Armageddon!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: http://www.usdebtclock.org/index.html And Barack Obama isn't even addressing this, even if you include his so-called health reform package, it's nothing but chump change. They're more interested in social engineering than the ship of state which is foundering and they're measuring the windows for blindsgo figure! Well America, American gets what America deserves and America now 'deserves' Barack Obama, may it RIP. Billy Gee Whiz is repeating the right wing talking points of misinformation and denying the realities that since Obama took office his policies have *turned around* the catastrophic direction of the economy he inherited when he took office. Once again... Let's see, the recession started December of 2007. Dude-when are you going to stop living in the past. There's enough blame to go around on both sides. We need solutions NOW, who cares WHO did it, how do we FIX it? All of our social programs are going/gone broke!! You've apparently got your head in the sand, dude, Medicare and Social Security are/or are going broke!! That just didn't start under Bush! Social Security...going broke! Medicare going broke All you're doing is repeating the same shameful right wing talking points of misinformation, misrepresentation, half-truth and distortion the Repuglicans use to obscure the fact that Obama is doing the best he can to *successfully* turn arouind the mess he inherited. The Repuglicans are doing nothing but trying to obstruct everything he's doing. You remind me of that silly blockbuster movie The Titanic where the ship was sinking are here are a couple of boobs running around chasing each other over some personal vendettawhat a joke. I will grant you, yes, the Republicans under Bush increased the deficit. A pox on both their houses
[FairfieldLife] Re: A cartoon from 1934
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: FDR had the same right wing anti-reform crazies and fearmongers... Take a look [click to enlarge]: http://i.imgur.com/reOAh.jpg Yeahha, ha, that's just crazy! http://www.usdebtclock.org/index.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: A cartoon from 1934
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: FDR had the same right wing anti-reform crazies and fearmongers... Take a look [click to enlarge]: http://i.imgur.com/reOAh.jpg Yeahha, ha, that's just crazy! http://www.usdebtclock.org/index.html Obama inherited most of the debt from 'Dumbya' and the Repuglicans - including the ongoing costs of the Iraq and Afghanistan unnecessary Republican wars - Bush's 2 *unpaid for* tax cuts for the rich - and BushCo's *unpiad for* Medicare legislation.. Dude...these budgets were voted for by the Democrats AND the Republicans, including Obama. Please, no party is lily white when it comes to deficit spendingthe only balanced budget we ever had was with a Republican congress under Clinton. GWya let the true conservative Reagan Republicans downyou know that. Obama is a socialist at heart.but only as long as he's at the top of course. Almost EVERY legitimate economist has stated that TARP [under Bush} and the Recovery Act [stimulus] were *critically necessary* to save the world from another catastrophic global Great Depression. The Recovery Act [stimulus passed under Obama] accounts for only 7% of the deficit as the rest was left behind by the Repuglicans. Obama's Health Care Reform *reduces* the deficit by $138 Billion the 1st 10 yrs and 1.6 Trillion the next 10. Let's see, the recession started December of 2007. The financial meltdown happened in September 2008. Obama took office in January 2009. Yeah. It's now going to take a colossal effort to clean up the catastrophic financial nightmare that the Bush administration and the GOP controlled Congress left behind and Obama inherited. There are some good results however since Obama took office: ~~U.S. Enters Recovery as Stimulus Refutes Skeptics~~ Bloomberg: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=a7iQTrYFwTtY ~~U.S. Economy Gets Lift From Stimulus~~ Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125185379218478087.html ~~Germany, France out of recession~~ Guardian [UK]: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/aug/13/germany-france-emerge-recession ~~Japan Steps out of Recession~~ BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8205072.stm ~~UK Officially Out of Recession~~ http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/sep/08/uk-factory-output-recession-recovery ~~Across the nation, housing starts are rising~~ Journal Sentinal: http://www.jsonline.com/business/53623677.html ~~Retail sales rose at the swiftest rate in three years in August~~ http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/15/briefing-americas-open-markets-equities-retail.html ~~U.S. household wealth up for first time since 2007~~ http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN173520090917 ~~US leading economic index up for fifth month in a row~~ http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090921/ts_alt_afp/useconomygrowthindex ~~Obama loan relief plan hits goal early ~~ http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gOGPH5tuY5PvE2_kbh0FBQPiqnUQD9B6V5IO3 ~~Obama's mortgage relief program growing ~~ http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090909/ap_on_re_us/us_foreclosure_aid ~~Dow passes 10,000 mark on earnings optimism~~first time in a year http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5881Q720091014 ~~GDP Grew 3.2 percent as Stimulus Took Hold: U.S. Economy Preview~~ http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=aDGvmWmB18w0 ~~Jobs outlook brightens - National Association for Business Economics says more U.S. firms are planning to hire and increase investment in the next six months~~~ http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/26/news/economy/NABE/?postversion=2009102612 ~~U.S. Goods Orders Rise for Fourth Time in Six Months ~~ Orders for U.S. durable goods rose in September for the fourth time in the past six months, a sign factories are helping ring in an economic recovery. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068sid=aXTOqhc6Ac4I ~~Durable-Goods Orders Tick Up~~ Orders climbed for long-lasting goods during September, the fourth increase in six months, while a key gauge of capital spending rose strongly, a favorable sign for U.S. manufacturing. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125673286433612857.html ~~USA Today: Stimulus working, having significant impact on economy~~ http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-10-27-jobs_N.htm ~~ Economy grows in 3Q, signals end of recession~~ http://csbj.com/2009/10/29/economy-grows-in-3q-signals-end-of-recession/ ~~Productivity at 6-year high, jobless claims fall~~ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/05/AR2009110501639.html ~~US leading indicators up for seventh month in row~~ http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091119/ts_alt_afp/useconomygrowthindex
[FairfieldLife] Re: A cartoon from 1934
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: But you still maintain that the right wing anti-reform crazies and fearmongers are right, eh? Dude-they aren't anti-reform! I know it makes you feeel good to say so, but..it ain't so! Hey go live in your socialist utopia, leave America alone, we like the basics here and don't want fundamental change! Only improvements, which the Republicans have forwarded on to the dictatorial congress and they passed on; are you even an American?
[FairfieldLife] Bill Gates, Toshiba in early talks on nuclear reactor..
Thank God there are still some Americans with common sens! When all of this Gore/Obama nonsense is over America can have clean energy and a strong economy too, if we survive these idiots!! http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100323/ts_afp/japannuclearusgatescompanytoshiba_20100323053821
[FairfieldLife] 12000 jobs created by Health Care Reform Bill :-)
That's right, there will be 12000 new IRS agents hired in order to enforce the mandatory insurance provision...cool huh! I can hardly wait! http://healthfreedomblog.com/?p=1065
[FairfieldLife] Russia to drill for oil off the Gulf of Mexico!!
They ain't stupid that's for sure, they must be laughing all the way to the bank at all the Environmental purest wackos in the USA, (and Hollywood). http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/18/obama-surrenders-gulf-oil-to-moscow/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eckhart Tolle and Ramesh Balsekar's meet, 2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: Tolle looks like a troll from the Black Forest. Maybe he fell into the gap!! :-) But the Neo-Advaitin message isn't very exciting: Everything is the Self. (saved people the trouble of reading the Balsekar books). I've seen more exciting screen savers than that message. Once I came into work and heard a gurgling as of sound, with bubbles and water; then saw a co-worker's screen saver as a fish aquarium. Mystery solved! Lesson: It's what people want to put onto their screen saver that counts; having said that the blank screen saver exists. Satsang for today: The bogus Neo-Advaitins say that the purpose of life is to realize the blank screen saver, then poof! dissolve into Nothingness...no more existence at physical death. If you believe that nonsense and are a woman, you're worse than a trailer-trash truckstop ho. If you're a man and believe it, ye have indeed drunk the Kool-Aid and are worse than a racist NASCAR red-neck. Not speaking of Billy...he's on the right track; but thanks for posting the item. Good work! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: Where DOES he get those cute little vests...and, you gotta love that beard! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Consciousness and the Now by Gautam Sachdeva http://gautamsachdeva.com/images/Gautam.jpg OH, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet, Till Earth and Sky stand presently at Godâs great Judgement Seat; But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth, When two strong men stand face to face, thoâ they come from the ends of the earth! --Rudyard Kipling -Rudyard Kipling Over the years, I have invariably been asked for details of the encounter between the two spiritual Masters, Ramesh Balsekar and Eckhart Tolle. Itâs human nature; our curiosity is aroused; we want to know what exactly happens when two Masters meet. Is it any different from when two ordinary people meet? Does something happen at an energetic level? What was the feeling like in the room? These are some of the questions that have come my way. It was only recently (eight years later!), that it occurred to me to pen my thoughts regarding that meeting which took place in 2002. But first, some background to place the meeting in context. In 2000, the publishing company Yogi Impressions was born. I actually had no intention to enter the publishing business. It was just that we had a hard time finding an appropriate publisher for my motherâs book on her visual experience of the awakening of the Kundalini. We finally decided to self-publish her book; my background in advertising gave me the confidence as I was familiar with the process of designing and printing. After we brought out her book, we had no plans to publish any more books. My journey with Eckhart and Ramesh started, almost simultaneously, around this time. We soon found ourselves publishing Eckhartâs and Rameshâs books. The next two titles we brought out were The Power of Now (Indian edition), and Rameshâs bookThe Ultimate Understanding. My sister Nikki had read The Power of Now around the time it had just released in the West. The book had a tremendous impact on her and she met Eckhart, almost immediately, when she was in Vancouver on a business trip. She was keen to bring Eckhartâs message to India and we ended up publishing the Indian edition of the same, through a series of synchronistic events. Eckhart had mentioned to Nikki early on that âThe Power of Now will be the beginning of an adventure for Gautam.â Thanks to him, and the success of his books, we were soon able to publish books of some other spiritual masters as well. On a personal level, during my lifeâs spiritual journey, I have had the good fortune of meeting some wonderful beings, over the years, whom I would not have normally met had it not been for spiritual publishing. Eckhart was right - it was the start of an adventure that still continues. With Ramesh, his editor at the time informed me he was looking for a publisher to bring out his new book. I said that, although I did not have much experience as such in publishing, I would be more than happy to help though they probably would be better off with an experienced publisher. Nevertheless, a meeting was arranged with Ramesh. The first question he asked me was if I had read any of his earlier books. I was in a spot! A bit embarrassed, I hesitatingly replied, âNone!â I thought that was the end of that - I would politely be shown the door. To my surprise, Ramesh burst out laughing and said, âThen youâre perfect for the job!â This immediately endeared me
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stages of the fourth praaNaayaama?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: As we all hopefully know, according to YS there are several stages of samaadhi, at least: - savitarka - nirvitarka - savicaara - nirvicaara - saananda - saasmitaa - nirbiija - dharma-megha According to Taimni, those are all, save nirbiija and dharmamegha, saMprajñaata. Between most of them, up to saasmitaa, is an asaMprajñaata stage of samaadhi, or stuff. So, why couldn't there be stages of caturthaH praaNaayaamaH? According to Bhojadeva, caturthaH is stambha-ruupo gativicchedaH (scil. praaNasya?); Vyaasa explains it to be gatyaabhaavaH (praaNasya?). Patañjali sez that the ordinary praaNaayaama is desha-kaala-saMjñaabhiH paridRSTo diirgha-suukSmaH and the Fourth is baahyaabhyantara-viSayaakSepii. With all due respect, the stages you mentioned ARE indications of the withdrawal of the prana. Once the prana (psycho-energetic power) is withdrawn to the Sahasrar chakra, congratulations, you've transcended fully for the first time. Unless you go to long rounding courses it could take a million years for this to happen according to MMY (Fuiggi, Italy). People often confuse prana with breath, the breath however is merely a biproduct of the rapidly moving prana (life, energy) within and around the subtle body. That is why when one practices pranayama (breathing exercises) one can 'control' the prana by controlling it's most external manifestation. Additionally, once you can control the prana and move it up through or into the 7th door, (primarily through concentration or passive control of the mind as in TM), you have fully withdrawn the prana and have achieved Nirvikalpa Samadhi, the highest Samadhi or ecstasy. I hope this answers your question..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eckhart Tolle and Ramesh Balsekar's meet, 2002
Where DOES he get those cute little vests...and, you gotta love that beard! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Consciousness and the Now by Gautam Sachdeva http://gautamsachdeva.com/images/Gautam.jpg OH, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet, Till Earth and Sky stand presently at Godâs great Judgement Seat; But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth, When two strong men stand face to face, thoâ they come from the ends of the earth! --Rudyard Kipling -Rudyard Kipling Over the years, I have invariably been asked for details of the encounter between the two spiritual Masters, Ramesh Balsekar and Eckhart Tolle. Itâs human nature; our curiosity is aroused; we want to know what exactly happens when two Masters meet. Is it any different from when two ordinary people meet? Does something happen at an energetic level? What was the feeling like in the room? These are some of the questions that have come my way. It was only recently (eight years later!), that it occurred to me to pen my thoughts regarding that meeting which took place in 2002. But first, some background to place the meeting in context. In 2000, the publishing company Yogi Impressions was born. I actually had no intention to enter the publishing business. It was just that we had a hard time finding an appropriate publisher for my motherâs book on her visual experience of the awakening of the Kundalini. We finally decided to self-publish her book; my background in advertising gave me the confidence as I was familiar with the process of designing and printing. After we brought out her book, we had no plans to publish any more books. My journey with Eckhart and Ramesh started, almost simultaneously, around this time. We soon found ourselves publishing Eckhartâs and Rameshâs books. The next two titles we brought out were The Power of Now (Indian edition), and Rameshâs bookThe Ultimate Understanding. My sister Nikki had read The Power of Now around the time it had just released in the West. The book had a tremendous impact on her and she met Eckhart, almost immediately, when she was in Vancouver on a business trip. She was keen to bring Eckhartâs message to India and we ended up publishing the Indian edition of the same, through a series of synchronistic events. Eckhart had mentioned to Nikki early on that âThe Power of Now will be the beginning of an adventure for Gautam.â Thanks to him, and the success of his books, we were soon able to publish books of some other spiritual masters as well. On a personal level, during my lifeâs spiritual journey, I have had the good fortune of meeting some wonderful beings, over the years, whom I would not have normally met had it not been for spiritual publishing. Eckhart was right - it was the start of an adventure that still continues. With Ramesh, his editor at the time informed me he was looking for a publisher to bring out his new book. I said that, although I did not have much experience as such in publishing, I would be more than happy to help though they probably would be better off with an experienced publisher. Nevertheless, a meeting was arranged with Ramesh. The first question he asked me was if I had read any of his earlier books. I was in a spot! A bit embarrassed, I hesitatingly replied, âNone!â I thought that was the end of that - I would politely be shown the door. To my surprise, Ramesh burst out laughing and said, âThen youâre perfect for the job!â This immediately endeared me to him and I heaved a sigh of relief. Thus began my journey in publishing. I soon found myself also donning the hat of spiritual publisher. In those early years, I was fortunate to develop an intimate relationship with Ramesh as well as Eckhart. I met Eckhart on numerous occasions during his retreats across the world and also spent time, a few days before and after the retreats, with him. With Ramesh, I had no idea I would end up sitting at his feet for almost ten years and that he would become a father-figure to me and the biggest influence thus far in my life. For his teaching was a validation of my life experience. It was with this background that, when Eckhart travelled to India in 2002 and visited Mumbai, I thought it would be wonderful if I could get the two of them together. After all, I found my life situation looking like the Caduceus of Mercury, the staff with two snakes wrapped around it in the form of a double helix. For destiny had intricately woven these two extraordinary beings and their teaching around me. I was quite excited and asked Ramesh if he would like to meet Eckhart, and he readily offered an evening invitation to tea. Now, Ramesh used to enjoy having a dig at various teachers or, rather, their teaching. Especially those who had written
[FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Nithyananda Sex Scandal (Watch Video) | India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: Boy you'd think the (in your words made up thing called God)that spoke of laws and commandment but could not be seen at Sinai would not have been so quickly rejected. Remember what happens..hint here is the where the man made small gods come into play: When the people saw that Moses was so long in coming down from the mountain, they gathered around Aaron and said, Come, make us gods [a] who will go before us. As for this fellow Moses who brought us up out of Egypt, we don't know what has happened to him. 2 Aaron answered them, Take off the gold earrings that your wives, your sons and your daughters are wearing, and bring them to me. 3 So all the people took off their earrings and brought them to Aaron. 4 He took what they handed him and made it into an idol cast in the shape of a calf, fashioning it with a tool. Then they said, These are your gods, [b] O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt. 5 When Aaron saw this, he built an altar in front of the calf and announced, Tomorrow there will be a festival to the LORD. 6 So the next day the people rose early and sacrificed burnt offerings and presented fellowship offerings. [c] Afterward they sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry. note: reverly is code for orgies, typical of worship back in the day 7 Then the LORD said to Moses, Go down, because your people, whom you brought up out of Egypt, have become corrupt. 8 They have been quick to turn away from what I commanded them and have made themselves an idol cast in the shape of a calf. They have bowed down to it and sacrificed to it and have said, 'These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.' Exodus 32 The Sinai event was unique in ancient and modern times. How about THIS part ??? Numbers 31:1-54 - Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins -- Wow! - - Let's see... we have the mass slaughter of defenseless prisoners, mass infanticide and sexual slavery. Is THIS the kind of 'godly' behavior at the basis of your moral code Mr 'sgrayatlarge' ??? I'll bet you also approve of torturing the detainees, eh? ...for Jesus? Mr. Do-Most scripture is written in allegory and symbolism, to take something like that literally is..well, I think you should take a serious look at your ability to think clearly. It appears your disdain for scripture has corrupted your objectivity. It's called reasoning FROM a conclusion and not TO a conclusion, don't you remember Charlie saying that? He said it often.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Nithyananda Sex Scandal (Watch Video) | India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: If you're so sure of your position BillyGee, please give us YOUR interpretation of the atrocities of mass slaughter of helpless prisoners, the mass slaughter of children and the taking possession of 32,000 virgins for themselves. This should be good... The context has been lost in antiquity or perverted during translation; I don't really know what it means scripturally if anything at all. All of scripture is full of ambiguity due to the lapse of time and change in social mores. To evaluate something like that with contemporary values and understandings is kind of silly
[FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Nithyananda Sex Scandal (Watch Video) | India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: http://thefastertimes.com/india/2010/03/08/sex-and-the-single-swami-why-indi as-gurus-cant-keep-it-in-their-loincloths/ I always thought he looked kind of hokey! He is apparently taking advantage of gullible people and sincere people looking for answers. It looks like his 'mistress' set him up, nice job if she did and good for her!!
[FairfieldLife] The myth of 'green' jobs.....
http://www.youtube.com/user/thedailybeck?blend=3ob=4#p/u/12/H6IY0UK9O2k
[FairfieldLife] Re: The word socialist: be afraid, be very, very afraid.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: ShempMcGurk wrote: BTW, you didn't answer this question the other day: would you let your house burn than have the local fire department put out the fire? ???Why would I do that? I pay my taxes and expect the services. But even if I didn't pay taxes I would still expect the fire company to come and put out the fire. Okay and you would also want to police department to come if you had someone break into your house. And you would want the potholes in your streets and highways fixed to keep your car from being damaged. You probably like to walk in parks that are kept up. All these things are socialistic programs to maintain the commons. You wouldn't want a privatized fire department who would let your house burn because you didn't pay them their yearly fee? Or a privatized police department to tell you to get lost because you didn't pay up as a burglar with a gun makes his way towards the room you're in. And Arizona already has a health care program. You probably avoid that so you can enjoy paying expensive premiums to a private insurer? Nobody is saying everything has to be socialized. It makes no sense for the family owned corner grocery or gas station to be socialized. The latter is the mistake some countries made in implementing socialism. That government is best which governs least
[FairfieldLife] Global warming rears it's ugly head once again!
By KARL RITTER, Associated Press WriterKarl Ritter, Associated Press Writer Thu Mar 4, 6:45 pm ET STOCKHOLM Dozens of ships including a passenger ferry with nearly 1,000 people on board were trapped Friday in heavy pack ice in the Baltic Sea off Sweden's east coast, officials said. Ice breakers were trying to free the ferry Amorella and two cargo ships stuck at the edge of an archipelago northeast of Stockholm, while rescue helicopters and military hovercraft were on standby to evacuate passengers if needed. Gale-force winds were hampering the effort, the Swedish Maritime Administration said. As soon as they break the ice, it freezes over again, sea rescue spokesman Peter Lindquist said. He said no one was hurt and there were no immediate plans to evacuate the ships. The Maritime Administration said the Amorella had 753 passengers and 190 crew on board. The 10-deck ship belongs to Viking Line, which operates Baltic Sea cruises between Sweden and Finland. The other ships stuck in the area were the roll-on-roll-off ferry Sea Wind with 32 people and the Regal Star, a cargo ship with 56 people on board. Three other ferries that got stuck in the ice were able to break free earlier Thursday. One of those ships, the Finnfellow, collided lightly with the Amorella when the ice pressed the two ships together, but there was no major damage to either ship, Lindquist said. Just some paint that was scratched off, he said. A total of about 50 ships were stuck in ice along Sweden's eastern seaboard, said Johny Lindvall, who manages the maritime administration's ice breaker service. Heavy ice cover is not uncommon further north, but the ice rarely gets thick enough in the Stockholm archipelago to trap powerful passenger ferries like the Amorella. There's no danger for the passengers as long as there's food and drink on board, Lindvall told The Associated Press. Mats Nystrom, a passenger on the Amorella, told Swedish broadcaster SVT that there was no panic on the ship. The atmosphere is calm so there is no danger in that sense, said Nystrom, who is a sports presenter for the network. He said the most dramatic event had been when the two ships touched. Suddenly in the loudspeakers there's a voice saying that all passengers must immediately move to the front. Of course at that moment the passengers got worried and wondered what was happening, Nystrom said. The maritime administration said the ships had ignored warnings about the icy conditions. Normally we can handle this type of obstacle, Viking Line CEO Jan Karstrom told SVT. But in this case the wind is unfortunate. It's blowing toward land and it means that (the ice) is packed more and more against land. Three Swedish icebreakers were trying to free the ship. Finland also dispatched an ice breaker to help out, said Benny Paulsson from a maritime rescue center on Finland's southwest coast.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The word socialist: be afraid, be very, very afraid.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:06 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The word socialist: be afraid, be very, very afraid. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Nablus must be from one of those silly socialistic Scandinavian countries. Well, if so, Nabby, it would be good for you to know that even at the very bottom of our recession, our lowest quintile is far, far better off than the middle class of any of your Scandinavian countries. Is that so, would you like to elaborate ? By some statistics perhaps ? ;-) I saw a show on TV that discussed some study concluding that Norwegians were the happiest people in the world. Depends on how you (they) define happiness. Drunks are happy too!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The word socialist: be afraid, be very, very afraid.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Nablus must be from one of those silly socialistic Scandinavian countries. Well, if so, Nabby, it would be good for you to know that even at the very bottom of our recession, our lowest quintile is far, far better off than the middle class of any of your Scandinavian countries. Is that so, would you like to elaborate ? By some statistics perhaps ? ;-) Socialism is great...when you're on the receiving end. It's nothing but pubescent idealism from those who think feeling is superior to thinking and have largely, their heads in the clouds. It's been tried and has failed over and over again!! Merit is the best motivator. I can understand my nephew being for socialism, he has nothing.but student loans! People over 30 ought to know better by now, from the lessons of History.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What's the scariest thing in this photo?
He's a Democrat? Oh, BTW this is a good example of the one dimensional thinking of some liberals like Mr. Do, they tend to paint with a very gratuitous brush...as suits their pleasure. They actually stereotype ALL Republicans this way, Republicans aren't just wrong...they're EVIL! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: all those loose wires under the TV. Somebody could trip and hurt themselves, even start a fire and ruin all those beautiful guns and ammo. From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, March 1, 2010 1:10:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] What's the scariest thing in this photo? Â Hint: it's front and center, at the bottom
[FairfieldLife] Re: An interview with Nancy Cooke de Herrera including the India TTC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: From off-list: Could you post the following link to FFL...it's an hour-long interview made in 2003 with Nancy Cooke de Herrera in which she talks about the India TTC that the Beatles attended and dispells some of the rumors from that course. http://tinyurl.com/yfprvbv Enjoyed it, thanks.
[FairfieldLife] God was one, but wanted to become many.
God was One, but He wanted to become many. You cannot enjoy a game with only one person. If you want to play any game, you will need more players. God originated Himself out of His own Silence in order to divinely enjoy the Cosmic Game. If we go deep within, we see that we are only taking a conscious part in God's Cosmic Game. We see that we are not the doers; God is the Doer. We are only His instruments. God is One, but He felt that He wanted to enjoy Himself, to fulfil Himself in millions of shapes and forms. He felt that being One, He was not fully satisfied. Why should He be satisfied with only being the One Infinite? He can also be the multitudinous finite. God is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent. If He is omnipotent, then why should He not become like an ant, an infinitely tiny creature? Because of His omnipotent Power, we think of God as something very great or very vast. But just because God is omniscient and omnipotent, He can also be inside the finite. In this way, God is playing His eternal Game in and through you, through me, through all human beings. God is infinite, but He houses Himself in each tiny child. Here in the finite, He wants to enjoy Himself and play the tune of the Infinite. Only then does He get the greatest joy. It is in the finite that we are aspiring to achieve the Infinite. Again, the Infinite gets the greatest joy by making itself as tiny as possible. Finite and infinite: to our outer eyes they seem to be opposites, but in God's Eye they are one. The finite and the Infinite always go together; the one complements the other. The finite wants to reach the absolute Highest, which is the Infinite. The Infinite wants to manifest itself in and through the finite. Then the game is complete. Otherwise it will be only a one-sided game. There will be no joy, no achievement, no fulfilment. In and through the Infinite, the finite is singing its song of realisation. And in and through the finite, the Infinite is singing its song of manifestation. (Anonymous)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The objective of Meditation.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: Hey Billy, do you have any idea which sounds corrispond to which chakra? I've heard several different sounds, trumpets, harps, flutes,tamboora, rushing wind, bells and vena. In the first chakra (earth), (according to Swami Yogananda), is the sound similar to that of a buzzing bee, the second (water) flute, the third (fire) harp, the forth (air) bell or gong sound, and the fifth (ether) ocean rumbling, these all emanate from the one cosmic sound that animates the universe (Mother Divine) the holy pranava sound of AUM, OM. Each petal (sound emanation) of each chakra has a sound emanation too, this is called a bija sound or mantra and is essentially the live blood of a devata, it IS the devata. 50 of these sounds are found in the lower 6 chakras and the 7th contains a composite of them all, they also make up the sounds of the Sanskrit alphabet. Source: Bhagavad Gita by Paramahansa Yogananda
[FairfieldLife] The 'bow' of meditation and the importance of posture.
If you look at an Xray of a healthy spine you'll notice how closely it resembles that of an archers bow, when sitting properly this is the optimum posture (or asana) for meditation, especially when you want to raise Shakti to her mate Shiva; an advanced state of meditation. Arjuna and his bow, as mentioned in the Bhagavad Gita, is symbolic of the spine. When Arjuna took up his bow it meant to imply he assumed the lotus posture of meditation, where the spine is kept straight, and began to meditate. Slouching during meditation cuts off the vital flow of prana and renders meditation less effective and/or leads to sleep. SBS meditated in the Lotus posture.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_re...@... wrote: Jerry Jarvis at Global Capital in New York after the David Lynch Foundation benefit concert. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Qu7a2lbkw Jerry Jarvis on Jan 12 2009 Jerry remembers Nat's bedroom Any particular question lingering for the last 30 years? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c4jhBY22dAfeature=related Interesting name Meru-danda, you probably know that it symbolizes the central canal of the spine or the sushumna where the shakti (prana) ascends to Shiva, yes? SBS was a dandi Swami and carried this 'staff' representing the kundalini shakti.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Qu7a2lbkw 'scuse my ignorance, but who was that speaking? I'm sticking my head above the parapet here - but I thought he did a fine job. And was that substantial chap reading his magazine and making notes Bevan? (And why wasn't he paying attention!) What did you mean by 'substantial'?
[FairfieldLife] The objective of Meditation.
Whether it's a form of japa meditation such as TM or a form of concentration as in Kriya Yoga the objective is to *move the prana up the spine*. In TM the objective is achieved by effortless control of the mind, in Kriya Yoga it is the direct control of the prana using concentration. Consciousness is the 'rider' of prana; effect prana=effect consciousness. As the prana goes up the spine the consciousness or jiva does likewise giving rise to astral phenomenon such as bells, harps, buzzing and other sounds associated with each chakra, which are the sounds of the mechanics of each chakra. When the prana reaches the 6th chakra, the jiva or soul experiences the first state of Enlighenment or Savikalpa Samadhi as MMY himself says in his lecture on kundalini.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry, Bongo, but sea levels NOT rising
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: For the fearmongers like Bongo Brazil who would dearly love it if 10s of millions of his fellow human being died horrible deaths as a result of global warming and rising sea levels, I have bad news: http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles%202007/MornerInterview.pdf Bongo, a rational response to ANY news that catastrophic man-mande global warming may not be occuring would be: HEY, I'M NOT YET CONVINCED BUT I SURE AS HECK WANT TO BE! I WANT TO BE PROVEN WRONG AND HOPE WITH ALL MY HEART THAT I AM PROVEN WRONG BECAUSE THAT WOULD MEAN THAT MILLIONS WON'T DIE AND SUFFER. Instead, Bongo, your consistent response to the OVERWHELMING data that global warming research is flawed is, inevitably, anger. Followed by a flurry of posts countering any good news (and I know it's hard for you to comprehend but news that millions may not be dying is in most polite society considered good news). Your responses are NOT rational. I think you nailed it, they seem to WANT to believe this stuff...perhaps it satisfies other liberal agendas lurking in their subconscious minds.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: The mantras that are recited are no mantras at all. Without the immutable potency that is in the mantras, as their very life and soul (jiva), they are futile like a cloud that will not rain. Shiva-sutra-vimarshini So Vaj-That really sounds romantic, now, just how are the mantras given *potency*? And IF the mantras have **immutable potency** how then can it be lost?
[FairfieldLife] Big Businesses pulling out of Climate Change legislation!
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[FairfieldLife] Good News-Nuclear Power back in America! Jobs, Jobs, Jobs.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'bija mantras' used in TM, and where the bija mantras come from. It appears that the prime use of a bija mantra is to invoke a particular 'god' or 'goddess'. In fact it is said that Guru Dev would not give out a mantra without knowing of the devotee's preference for a particular god. Seems to me that the process of 'transcendence' is not dependent on the use of a mantra but upon the abandonment of thought. I suspect that many successfully 'transcend' without ever getting initiated, just sitting still and letting go of thought can do it. *Vibration* is the essence of bija mantra, whether TM or otherwise (as in Hong Sau or Hamsa). By repeating or setting up this vibration within your mind you are attracting that vibration or Devata (Devatas are nothing but sound vibrations animating the Universe, their essence is bliss). By striking one tuning fork all the tuning forks in the general vicinity attuned to that frequency will vibrate as well, this is what Mantra meditation is, IMO. Through affinity, one is attracted to a particular vibration or formless devata and in time that devata can appear to you in ANY form. So Mantras would be an invaluable asset for meditation, IMO. By repeating the mantra you are attracting the Devata or Bliss.
[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'bija mantras' used in TM, and where the bija mantras come from... nadarrombus: patanjali states the bija om is the mantra which is used... Patanjali mentions the 'pranava', but does not state that it is 'om'. AUM is not, stictly speaking, a 'bija' mantra. AUM isn't mentioned in the Yoga Sutras nor in the Rig Veda. So, Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'TM' bija mantras and where they came from. I also don't think Patanjali taught TM type meditation, He apparently taught *Concentration* (Dharana) as a means of controlling the prana, a much more difficult but volitional process, one used by the great Paramahansa Yogananda. TM is a much more passive process, but simpler for most people. Concentration, once mastered, is more controllable using the WILL.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dh%C4%81ra%E1%B9%87%C4%81 snip maharishi translated and made commentaries changing the sanskrit to english according to his preference Vernon Katz made the translation and they seem to be pretty standard. I've compared Katz's translation with Swami Prabhupada's word for word translations and they are near the same. There are some question that are not answered in Patanjalis' Yoga Sutra. For example, Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'bija mantras' used in TM, and where the bija mantras come from. maharishi didn't want tm people to read the vedic literature in english... The Maharishi, with help from Vernon Katz, translated the Bhagavad Gita into English. In the Maharishi's TM-Sidhi Program, Patanjali's 'flying sutra' is repeated in English.
[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: TM is a much more passive process, but simpler for most people. Concentration, once mastered, is more controllable using the WILL.. 'Simpler'? I'm not so sure about that. TM relies on the fairly finely balanced use of mantra repetition, which masquerades as simple but is actually otherwise. I wonder how many who say that concentration of willpower is more difficult than TM have actually tried it? I think we tend to parrot ideas without really doing any ammount of homework. Actually, it was a feature of Maharishi's modus operandus, to find out about 'rival' systems of meditation, but unfortunately he always made them out to be either ineffectual or too difficult. Now, given the teaching, I suspect that a great many practitioners of TM would have found some of those 'difficult' techniques quite a lot easier than they imagined. I practiced Hong Sau for almost a year, and believe me, it's more difficult, but then it's a completely different approach. Using Concentration, the object is to withdraw the prana to the point between the eyebrows, once having accomplished that, the soul or consciousness is free from the bodily cage as they say. TM is almost always accompanied with rest, not so all the time with Hong Sau or Concentration, it takes time to master it, it's something you have to practice in order to accomplish. TM is almost automatic but the results are unpredictable. Once the technique of Concentration is Mastered you can go into Samadhi, at will, anytime. Personally I feel TM is more suited for me, it's easier, the only problem is falling asleep frequently..
[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: Is it not possible for you to mix and match the strengths of the various techniques, e.g. take it easy whilst using willpower, letting go of discursive thought gradually, gently? They are two distinct different approaches, they not the same, not at all. One, Concentration or Hong Sau uses effort and control, as you progress your concentration becomes more intense, the objective of raising the prana up through the spine to the Ajna Chakra, is accomplished, it takes years and years to accomplish this. TM indirectly controls the body by influencing the mind and brings about what Swami Yogananda calls 'Conscious Sleep' but this is just the first state of meditation, if you're interested further read his book entitled The Science of Religion page 51 under The Meditational Method and The Scientific Method or Yoga, I think he describes TM very well in the meditational method. Using Kriya Yoga one learns to consciously die..and return, as you may already know. If and when meditation is taught outside of a religious context, without the use of a puja or magic prayers, I suspect that science will show that it is not only easy and effective, but will concern itself with why it had been overlooked for so long. And it will probably blame those who described meditation as difficult and those who asserted it took many years to learn and practise. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote: TM is a much more passive process, but simpler for most people. Concentration, once mastered, is more controllable using the WILL.. 'Simpler'? I'm not so sure about that. TM relies on the fairly finely balanced use of mantra repetition, which masquerades as simple but is actually otherwise. I wonder how many who say that concentration of willpower is more difficult than TM have actually tried it? I think we tend to parrot ideas without really doing any ammount of homework. Actually, it was a feature of Maharishi's modus operandus, to find out about 'rival' systems of meditation, but unfortunately he always made them out to be either ineffectual or too difficult. Now, given the teaching, I suspect that a great many practitioners of TM would have found some of those 'difficult' techniques quite a lot easier than they imagined. I practiced Hong Sau for almost a year, and believe me, it's more difficult, but then it's a completely different approach. Using Concentration, the object is to withdraw the prana to the point between the eyebrows, once having accomplished that, the soul or consciousness is free from the bodily cage as they say. TM is almost always accompanied with rest, not so all the time with Hong Sau or Concentration, it takes time to master it, it's something you have to practice in order to accomplish. TM is almost automatic but the results are unpredictable. Once the technique of Concentration is Mastered you can go into Samadhi, at will, anytime. Personally I feel TM is more suited for me, it's easier, the only problem is falling asleep frequently..
[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: I agree Vaj. But if one is too achievement-orientated then the process can be strained and cause headache. However, in my experience, if one is easy-going about the whole business, and accepts that sometimes one will be more in tune with the process than others, then great depths of silence can be attained easily. And the effect of that silence is deeply refreshing.. Oh but then you know I guess. The main thing is that people are not put off by this 'difficult' label which for so long has kept people from finding the stark simplicity and fulfillingness of meditation. TM IS easy, because it's a passive process, recommended by Yogis down through time, but it's not the BEST way according to Swami Yogananda. Direct control of the Prana is more direct apparently, pranayama is the key to transcending or ascending the chakras which is the only way to enlightenment. The seven doors must be opened and the spinal fire kundalini (shakti) must be awakened to ascend to Shiva the seventh Chakra. You can meditate all you want but until you actually awaken kundalini you are merely experiencing peace, which is good but not the final aim of Yoga.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The jig is up! Phil Jones confesses!
Darn, I was really hoping there was Man Made Global Warming so we could sock it to the big evil corporations (the ones that create jobs) and everybody could live poor...like ME. Ohhh, Socialism is great too, especially when you're on the receiving end, like ME! Where's Robin Hood Obama when you need himI love the earth, I have feelings!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: http://tinyurl.com/ygwbn7v http://tinyurl.com/ygwbn7v Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995 By Jonathan Petre http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=yauthornamef=Jonathan+Pe\ tre Last updated at 5:12 PM on 14th February 2010 * Data for vital 'hockey stick graph' has gone missing * There has been no global warming since 1995 * Warming periods have happened before - but NOT due to man-made changes [Professor Phil Jones] Data: Professor Phil Jones admitted his record keeping is 'not as good as it should be' The academic at the centre of the `Climategate' affair, whose raw data is crucial to the theory of climate change, has admitted that he has trouble `keeping track' of the information. Colleagues say that the reason Professor Phil Jones has refused Freedom of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant papers. Professor Jones told the BBC yesterday there was truth in the observations of colleagues that he lacked organisational skills, that his office was swamped with piles of paper and that his record keeping is `not as good as it should be'. The data is crucial to the famous `hockey stick graph' used by climate change advocates to support the theory. Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon. And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no `statistically significant' warming. The admissions will be seized on by sceptics as fresh evidence that there are serious flaws at the heart of the science of climate change and the orthodoxy that recent rises in temperature are largely man-made. Professor Jones has been in the spotlight since he stepped down as director of the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit after the leaking of emails that sceptics claim show scientists were manipulating data. The raw data, collected from hundreds of weather stations around the world and analysed by his unit, has been used for years to bolster efforts by the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to press governments to cut carbon dioxide emissions. More... * MAIL ON SUNDAY COMMENT: The professor's amazing climate change retreat http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1250813/The-professor-s-amazi\ ng-climate-change-retreat.html Following the leak of the emails, Professor Jones has been accused of `scientific fraud' for allegedly deliberately suppressing information and refusing to share vital data with critics. Discussing the interview, the BBC's environmental analyst Roger Harrabin said he had spoken to colleagues of Professor Jones who had told him that his strengths included integrity and doggedness but not record-keeping and office tidying. Mr Harrabin, who conducted the interview for the BBC's website, said the professor had been collating tens of thousands of pieces of data from around the world to produce a coherent record of temperature change. That material has been used to produce the `hockey stick graph' which is relatively flat for centuries before rising steeply in recent decades. According to Mr Harrabin, colleagues of Professor Jones said `his office is piled high with paper, fragments from over the years, tens of thousands of pieces of paper, and they suspect what happened was he took in the raw data to a central database and then let the pieces of paper go because he never realised that 20 years later he would be held to account over them'. Asked by Mr Harrabin about these issues, Professor Jones admitted the lack of organisation in the system had contributed to his reluctance to share data with critics, which he regretted. Enlarge[Chart] http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/02/13/article-1250872-0847D53D0\ 5DC-535_468x295_popup.jpg But he denied he had cheated over the data or unfairly influenced the scientific process, and said he still believed recent temperature rises were predominantly man-made. Asked about whether he lost track of data, Professor Jones said: `There is some truth in that. We do have a trail of where the weather stations have come from but it's probably not as good as it should be. `There's a continual updating of the dataset. Keeping track of everything is difficult. Some countries will do lots of checking on their data then issue improved data, so
[FairfieldLife] Re: Glow and samaadhi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: What could be the Sanskrit word Maharishi seems to translate to 'glow' in connection with samaadhi? Jyoti? The meaning of the name Jyoti is Light.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Knowledge according to Krishna
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Repost, emphasis below mine, to point out what's really being said. I've never understood the jealous god thang, and those who go for it. I mean, if I run into someone in real life who wants more than anything else my constant devotion and characterizes anything less as ignorance, I write them off as the energy vampires they are and walk away. If one of them happened to have blue skin that wouldn't change a thing...it's still an energy vampire trying to get me to give him mine. Add to this that these are not Krishna's words but the words of some guy claiming to represent him, and IMO you've got a pretty lame teaching. But YMMV... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Humility, pridelessness, nonviolence, tolerance, simplicity, approaching a bona fide spiritual master, cleanliness, steadiness and self-control; renunciation of the objects of sense gratification, absence of false ego, the perception of the evil of birth, death, old age and disease; nonattachment to children, wife, home and the rest, and even-mindedness amid pleasant and unpleasant events; *constant and unalloyed devotion to Me*, resorting to solitary places, detachment from the general mass of people; accepting the importance of self-realization, and philosophical search for the Absolute Truth--*all these I thus declare to be knowledge*, and what is contrary to these is ignorance. http://www.asitis.com/13/8-12.html You've put your finger on it astutely by calling God, Jealous, but that is just an expression, not an actuality. It is meant to convey that the almighty will not 'reveal' himself if there are any other attachments occupying your heart, IMHO. The fact of the matter is you must want HIM ALONE, who is the greatest prize of the universe, such is the fact of the matter, like it or not! Remember the commandment, Thou shalt not have any Gods before me? (Money, fame, sex, etc.) You have a proclivity for thinking that you are separate from God (ego), (which is evident by your frequent usage of the term, 'my' and 'I') this is a mistake, God is the essence of your own being and in him we live, move and have our BEING. Without that formless spark of Divinity (which is bliss) that exists as your own soul, you would immediately perish..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Knowledge according to Krishna
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Repost, emphasis below mine, to point out what's really being said. I've never understood the jealous god thang, and those who go for it. I mean, if I run into someone in real life who wants more than anything else my constant devotion and characterizes anything less as ignorance, I write them off as the energy vampires they are and walk away. If one of them happened to have blue skin that wouldn't change a thing...it's still an energy vampire trying to get me to give him mine. Add to this that these are not Krishna's words but the words of some guy claiming to represent him, and IMO you've got a pretty lame teaching. But YMMV... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Humility, pridelessness, nonviolence, tolerance, simplicity, approaching a bona fide spiritual master, cleanliness, steadiness and self-control; renunciation of the objects of sense gratification, absence of false ego, the perception of the evil of birth, death, old age and disease; nonattachment to children, wife, home and the rest, and even-mindedness amid pleasant and unpleasant events; *constant and unalloyed devotion to Me*, resorting to solitary places, detachment from the general mass of people; accepting the importance of self-realization, and philosophical search for the Absolute Truth--*all these I thus declare to be knowledge*, and what is contrary to these is ignorance. http://www.asitis.com/13/8-12.html You've put your finger on it astutely by calling God, Jealous, but that is just an expression, not an actuality. It is meant to convey that the almighty will not 'reveal' himself if there are any other attachments occupying your heart, IMHO. FWIW, according to the interpretation at the link (a Hare Krishna site), it's the devotion that brings about all the other stuff, not the reverse: ...If one does not approach, or is not able to approach, the transcendental service of the Lord, then the other nineteen items are of no particular value. But, if one takes to devotional service in full Krsna consciousness, the other nineteen items automatically develop within him. There's nothing in the Gita text as translated that suggests Krishna wants devotion (let alone that he's jealous). It simply says, This is the way it works. He may not want it, or need it, but, it's required!! :-) Although, I think he wants it, as he is constantly seeking us through the still small voice of conscience, guiding us, back to him: I FLED Him, down the nights and down the days; I fled Him, down the arches of the years; I fled Him, down the labyrinthine ways Of my own mind; and in the mist of tears I hid from Him, and under running laughter. Up vistaed hopes I sped; And shot, precipitated, Adown Titanic glooms of chasmèd fears, From those strong Feet that followed, followed after. But with unhurrying chase, And unperturbèd pace, Deliberate speed, majestic instancy, They beatand a Voice beat More instant than the Feet `All things betray thee, who betrayest Me.' (Thompson) By devotion is meant (to my understanding), regularity of the practice and the other principles espoused by one's particular path.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Knowledge according to Krishna
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: It's good to know that because Card threw the word Krishna into the title so many here are jumping on the bandwagon of defending the Hare Krishna Recruitment Speech. Since they believe in this Krishna guy so much, I for one look forward to seeing the lot of them giving all their possessions and wealth to the Hare Krishna movement (renunciation of the objects of sense gratification), leaving their families (nonattachment to children, wife, home and the rest), shaving their heads and wearing orange robes (absence of false ego), and standing in airports and shopping malls (resorting to solitary places, detachment from the general mass of people) selling copies of the Gita to passersby. I wish them well with their pursuit of knowledge. :-) Krishna must be distinguished from Yadava Krishna that lived thousands of years ago, just like Jesus must be distinguished from Christ which means 'anointed one'. Krishna consciousness is what MMY calls God Consciousness it can also be called Christ Consciousness as it is the one same formless state of Universal Bliss immanent IN creation, Brahman is beyond creation or unmanifest, FYI. (They are unified in what MMY calls Brahm, Emmerson calls it the oversoul).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Knowledge according to Krishna
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip There's nothing in the Gita text as translated that suggests Krishna wants devotion (let alone that he's jealous). It simply says, This is the way it works. He may not want it, or need it, but, it's required!! :-) Yup, according to the Bhakti interpretation of the text, at least. Although, I think he wants it, as he is constantly seeking us through the still small voice of conscience, guiding us, back to him: It's a glorious poem, but I can't get into anthropomorphizing deity. I think Thompson was projecting his own fear of surrender onto a manufactured image of a Divine Pursuer. Or he may have been very well aware of what he was afraid of and created a metaphor to describe the self fleeing from the Self. Yeah that's it! (the later) It is the 'ego' fleeing the higher Self or the Soul. Conscience is the voice of that soul, hence MMY proclaims Natural Law by which life is ordered according to law, natural law, or, Raj-Ram if you wish. If you go further on in the poem it gives the reason the ego flees the admonitions of the soul or conscience: *For, though I knew His love Who followèd, Yet was I sore adread Lest, having Him, I must have naught beside.* By naught beside would mean the pleasures of the ego, (i.e. all of the senses). He would have to give up all the pleasures of the senses, (a lame argument of the ego however)...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Garish Girish on Facebook
That's why it's important to remember that MMY wasn't a Sat-Guru and TM has no Parampara (direct lineage of enlightened Master to another), nor could Girish claim to be. MMY NEVER claimed to be a GURU per se, you could refer to him as that in a generic way but not in the sense it is understood in India. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: He who aspires to be the next Maharishi has not one but two Facebook pages. Check 'em out; they are listed under: - Girishjifans Varma - Brahmachari Girish On the second one he has seven listings under website. What I find interesting is that when you do a google advanced search on nader for each of those sites, pretty much the only mention of Nader is in the context of a milestone in the history of the Movement. But, boy, do I LOVE those colorful photos of the aspiring Maharishi! I don't think even James Cameron could outdo the gaudy, raffish, and psychedelic colors that Girish has managed to surround himself with. Can you say loud in technicolor? I next expect the Garish One to hand out 3-D glasses so that all who gaze upon his Photos of Opulant Spiritual Flotsam and Jetsam can get really, really convinced he is the Real Thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Knowledge according to Krishna
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip There's nothing in the Gita text as translated that suggests Krishna wants devotion (let alone that he's jealous). It simply says, This is the way it works. He may not want it, or need it, but, it's required!! :-) Yup, according to the Bhakti interpretation of the text, at least. Although, I think he wants it, as he is constantly seeking us through the still small voice of conscience, guiding us, back to him: It's a glorious poem, Yikes. I just went and reread the whole thing. I'd forgotten how purple it was! I can't really stomach much of it other than that first stanza. but I can't get into anthropomorphizing deity. I think Thompson was projecting his own fear of surrender onto a manufactured image of a Divine Pursuer. Or he may have been very well aware of what he was afraid of and created a metaphor to describe the self fleeing from the Self. Yeah that's it! (the later) It is the 'ego' fleeing the higher Self or the Soul. Conscience is the voice of that soul, hence MMY proclaims Natural Law by which life is ordered according to law, natural law, or, Raj-Ram if you wish. That's most likely what Thompson thought it was; he led a pretty dissolute life, and he was a Catholic, so he must have been carrying a lot of guilty baggage. If you go further on in the poem it gives the reason the ego flees the admonitions of the soul or conscience: *For, though I knew His love Who followèd, Yet was I sore adread Lest, having Him, I must have naught beside.* By naught beside would mean the pleasures of the ego, (i.e. all of the senses). He would have to give up all the pleasures of the senses, (a lame argument of the ego however)... What resonates for me is more abstract, the fear of giving up your individuality. It is a lame argument, because you don't lose your individuality, it just feels as though you're going to. All you're really losing is your attachment to it. Bingo!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans on Wrong Side of Public Opinion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Republicans -- Not Obama -- More Often on Wrong Side of Public Opinion Nate Silver http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/republicans-not-obama-more-often\ -on.html looks at 25 issues that President Obama has made an affirmative effort to push forward since taking office a year ago and and summarized public opinion data on each of them. Of the 25 issues, Obama's position appears to be on the right side of public opinion on 14, it's on the wrong side of public opinion on five issues and for the remaining six the polling is probably too ambiguous to render a clear verdict. Republicans, however, have overwhelmingly opposed almost all of these measures with the exception of three. http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/02/09/republicans_on_wrong_side_o\ f_public_opinion.html I'd buy that for a dollar!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daoV-LsINiA
[FairfieldLife] Re: Draupadi's Marriage
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: To All: The marriage of Draupadi to five brothers, including Arjuna the hero of the Mahabharata, is a symbol of how our five senses are intimately connected with our love affairs. In this regard, the panchamsha chart shows how the five elements, signifying the senses, are distributed to satisfy both the man and woman in a given marriage relationship. Knowing these relationships, one can understand one's needs and the lover's desires for a lasting and rewarding marriage union. In a deeper scheme of things, these five elements have a common basis in the unified field, the bliss or soma that permeates the entire universe. As such, the Rig Veda sings for posterity that for those who are not familiar with this bliss, what can It do for him? Here's some more: She put a condition for her marriage. She would wed the prince who would pierce the eye of the rotating wooden fish by looking at its reflection. Drupaudi is symbolic in Vyasa's great masterpiece of kula-kundalini; when she 'rises' UP the 'wooden pole supporting the fish' she 'marries' each chakra in turn, each chakra is represented by one Pandu and each Pandu bequeaths the aspirant or jiva a particular power associated with that chakra; Arjuna being self control. Piercing the eye of the wooden fish is symbolic of opening the third eye or Ajna chakra, which is the 6th chakra and the first state of enlightenment (Savikalpa Samadhi) Source for story below: http://www.boloji.com/mahabharata/10.htm
[FairfieldLife] India dumps IPCC on climate change ending climate evangelism!
India forms new climate change body The Indian government has established its own body to monitor the effects of global warming because it cannot rely on the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the group headed by its own leading scientist Dr R.K Pachauri. By Dean Nelson in New Delhi Published: 3:47PM GMT 04 Feb 2010 Comments 130 | Comment on this article Everest from the summit of Kala Patar Gokyo Nepal Himalaya: India forms new climate change body Scientists believe it could take more than 300 years for the HImalayan glaciers to disappear Photo: ALAMY The move is a significant snub to both the IPCC and Dr Pachauri as he battles to defend his reputation following the revelation that his most recent climate change report included false claims that most of the Himalayan glaciers would melt away by 2035. Scientists believe it could take more than 300 years for the glaciers to disappear. The body and its chairman have faced growing criticism ever since as questions have been raised on the credibility of their work and the rigour with which climate change claims are assessed. Related Articles * Global cooling hits Al Gore's home * Global warming and a tale of two planets * The eco-loons are appalled by India's super-cheap Tata Nano. I think it's brilliant * Barack Obama faces 'revolution' if he imposes tough carbon targets, warns IPCC * Despite the hot air, the Antarctic is not warming up In India the false claims have heightened tensions between Dr Pachauri and the government, which had earlier questioned his glacial melting claims. In Autumn, its environment minister Mr Jairam Ramesh said while glacial melting in the Himalayas was a real concern, there was evidence that some were actually advancing despite global warming. Dr Pachauri had dismissed challenges like these as based on voodoo science, but last night Mr Ramesh effectively marginalized the IPC chairman even further. He announced the Indian government will established a separate National Institute of Himalayan Glaciology to monitor the effects of climate change on the world's `third ice cap', and an `Indian IPCC' to use `climate science' to assess the impact of global warming throughout the country. There is a fine line between climate science and climate evangelism. I am for climate science. I think people misused [the] IPCC report, [the] IPCC doesn't do the original research which is one of the weaknesses they just take published literature and then they derive assessments, so we had goof-ups on Amazon forest, glaciers, snow peaks.
[FairfieldLife] And yet ANOTHER 'error' in IPCC report!
The Netherlands http://topics.breitbart.com/the+Netherlands/ has asked the UN climate change http://topics.breitbart.com/Climate+Change/ panel to explain an inaccurate claim in a landmark 2007 report that more than half the country was below sea level, the Dutch government said Friday. According to the Dutch authorities, only 26 percent of the country is below sea level, and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC http://topics.breitbart.com/IPCC/ ) will be asked to account for its figures, environment ministry spokesman Trimo Vallaart http://topics.breitbart.com/Trimo+Vallaart/ told AFP. http://topics.breitbart.com/AFP/ The incident could cause further embarrassment for the IPCC, http://topics.breitbart.com/IPCC/ which recently admitted a claim in the same report that global warming could melt Himalayan glaciers by 2035 was wrong. IPCC http://topics.breitbart.com/IPCC/ experts calculated that 55 percent of the Netherlands http://topics.breitbart.com/the+Netherlands/ was below sea level by adding the area below sea level -- 26 percent -- to the area threatened by river flooding -- 29 percent -- Vallaart said. They should have been clearer, Vallaart said, adding that the Dutch office for environmental planning, an IPCC http://topics.breitbart.com/IPCC/ partner, had exact figures. Correcting the error had been on the agenda several times but had never actually happened, Vallaart said. The spokesman said he regretted the fact that proper procedure was not followed and said it should not be left to politicians to check the IPCC's http://topics.breitbart.com/IPCC/ numbers.
[FairfieldLife] Hide the Decline reprise...enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk
[FairfieldLife] Greenpeace using phony ipcc numbers in propaganda.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD0IWb2w-jM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD0IWb2w-jM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tibet temperature 'highest since records began'
Have those renegade icebergs reached Australia yet!! Ha, ha --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: If you want to play the anecdotal evidence game, take a gander at the following. Look, Bongo, nobody believes the global warming propaganda anymore: temperature statistics fudged, lying about Himalayan glaciers melting, bullshitting about sea levels. The phoney evidence has been exposed for all to see. You should be celebrating the fact that millions won't die, John. Instead you are miserable about it. Why is that? http://www.weather.com/newscenter/stormwatch/ http://www.weather.com/newscenter/stormwatch/ Storm WatchHistoric snowstorm winds down later today Chris Dolce, Lead Meteorologist, The Weather Channel Feb. 6, 2010 12:05 pm ET Snow, heavy in some locations, continues to fall from West Virginia and southwest Pennsylvania eastward to the Mid-Atlantic Coast. Look for the snow to wind down from west to east late this afternoon and early evening putting the final touches on this historic event. Widespread totals of a foot to over two feet have been reported in portions of southern Pennsylvania, West Virginia, northern Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, southern New Jersey and the District of Columbia. Localized amounts have topped 30 inches. As the low pushes off the coast it will continue to strengthen which will result in very strong winds near and along the coast. Gusts of 40 to 50 miles per hour will be likely along the coasts from the Tidewater of Virginia north to the Jersey shore. Snow and gusty winds will contribute to low visibilities and near-blizzard conditions in some areas. The winds will also serve up high surf which will lead to beach erosion and areas of coastal flooding from Atlantic City southward to the Carolina coast.
[FairfieldLife] It keeps getting worse; latest climate change scandal.
UN climate change panel based claims on student dissertation and magazine article The United Nations' expert panel on climate change based claims about ice disappearing from the world's mountain tops on a student's dissertation and an article in a mountaineering magazine. By Richard Gray, Science Correspondent and Rebecca Lefort Published: 9:00PM GMT 30 Jan 2010 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7111525/UN-cl\ imate-change-panel-based-claims-on-student-dissertation-and-magazine-art\ icle.html [Himalayan glaciers: UN climate change panel based claims on student dissertation and magazine article ]
[FairfieldLife] Re: UN scientist admits unverified data used for politics
Whaat! Political correctness? What have we been telling you! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: Peace be upon those who follow guidance. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Glacier-scientists-says-knew-data-verified.html Glacier scientist: I knew data hadn't been verified By David Rose Last updated at 12:54 AM on 24th January 2010 The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders. Dr Murari Lal also said he was well aware the statement, in the 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), did not rest on peer-reviewed scientific research. In an interview with The Mail on Sunday, Dr Lal, the co-ordinating lead author of the report's chapter on Asia, said: `It related to several countries in this region and their water sources. We thought that if we can highlight it, it will impact policy-makers and politicians and encourage them to take some concrete action. `It had importance for the region, so we thought we should put it in.' Dr Lal's admission will only add to the mounting furore over the melting glaciers assertion, which the IPCC was last week forced to withdraw because it has no scientific foundation. According to the IPCC's statement of principles, its role is `to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis, scientific, technical and socio-economic information IPCC reports should be neutral with respect to policy'. The claim that Himalayan glaciers are set to disappear by 2035 rests on two 1999 magazine interviews with glaciologist Syed Hasnain, which were then recycled without any further investigation in a 2005 report by the environmental campaign group WWF. It was this report that Dr Lal and his team cited as their source. The WWF article also contained a basic error in its arithmetic. A claim that one glacier was retreating at the alarming rate of 134 metres a year should in fact have said 23 metres the authors had divided the total loss measured over 121 years by 21, not 121. Last Friday, the WWF website posted a humiliating statement recognising the claim as `unsound', and saying it `regrets any confusion caused'. Dr Lal said: `We knew the WWF report with the 2035 date was grey literature [material not published in a peer-reviewed journal]. But it was never picked up by any of the authors in our working group, nor by any of the more than 500 external reviewers, by the governments to which it was sent, or by the final IPCC review editors.' In fact, the 2035 melting date seems to have been plucked from thin air. Professor Graham Cogley, a glacier expert at Trent University in Canada, who began to raise doubts in scientific circles last year, said the claim multiplies the rate at which glaciers have been seen to melt by a factor of about 25. `My educated guess is that there will be somewhat less ice in 2035 than there is now,' he said. `But there is no way the glaciers will be close to disappearing. It doesn't seem to me that exaggerating the problem's seriousness is going to help solve it.' One of the problems bedevilling Himalayan glacier research is a lack of reliable data. But an authoritative report published last November by the Indian government said: `Himalayan glaciers have not in any way exhibited, especially in recent years, an abnormal annual retreat.' When this report was issued, Raj Pachauri, the IPCC chairman, denounced it as `voodoo science'. Having been forced to apologise over the 2035 claim, Dr Pachauri blamed Dr Lal, saying his team had failed to apply IPCC procedures. It was an accusation rebutted angrily by Dr Lal. `We as authors followed them to the letter,' he said. `Had we received information that undermined the claim, we would have included it.' However, an analysis of those 500-plus formal review comments, to be published tomorrow by the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF), the new body founded by former Chancellor Nigel Lawson, suggests that when reviewers did raise issues that called the claim into question, Dr Lal and his colleagues simply ignored them. For example, Hayley Fowler of Newcastle University, suggested that their draft did not mention that Himalayan glaciers in the Karakoram range are growing rapidly, citing a paper published in the influential journal Nature. In their response, the IPCC authors said, bizarrely, that they were `unable to get hold of the suggested references', but would `consider' this in their final version. They failed to do so. The Japanese government commented that the draft did not clarify what it meant by stating that the likelihood of the glaciers disappearing by 2035 was `very high'. `What is the confidence level?' it asked. The
[FairfieldLife] Re: UN scientist admits unverified data used for politics
Once again you are right Mr. Do, they were only off by 315 years. The glaciers will melt in the year 2350 AD, we better speed up our conservation efforts. I'm going right out and buying a 'smart' car, yippiee!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnXqyBsO2bo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hmmm... viirya and samaadhi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: According to Patañjali, the following are the prerequisites for samaadhi (in the case of those not videhas and/or[?] prakRtilayas): shraddhaa -- faith viirya -- indomitable energy or will smRti -- memory samaadhi-prajñaa -- intelligence or 'high knowledge' or keen intellect essential for samaadhi (vocabulary based on Taimni's Science of Yoga) According to YS II 38 gaining 'viirya' depends(?) on brahma-carya (brahma-charya): brahmacarya-pratiSThaayaaM viirya-laabhaH. Does that mean without brahmacarya samaadhi shall be at least essentially weaker than with being established in sexual continence (Taimni)? MMY says that all eight limbs (Angas) must be practiced simultaneously MMY Gita appendix/Yoga Samadhi is the goal, and once the goal of Samadhi is reached all the 'tools' used to achieve that goal are no longer necessary. Virya or Celibacy is one of the *soldiers* mentioned in the Bhagavad Gita, his name is Uttamaujas, (CH1vs6) or vital celibacy from uttama/chief, principle and ojas/bodily strength. Patanjali devised eight *means* to YOGA, each limb (anga) is designed to bring about the state of Yoga (Union) in the sphere of life to which it relates. MMY/Gita (In spite of his later lectures where he, IMO, pandered to modernity and suggested only TM meditation was necessary.)
[FairfieldLife] The Lord God is constantly pursuing us!
I fled Him down the nights and down the days I fled Him down the arches of the years I fled Him down the labyrinthine ways Of my own mind, and in the midst of tears I hid from him, and under running laughter. Up vistaed hopes I sped and shot precipitated Adown titanic glooms of chasmed fears From those strong feet that followed, followed after But with unhurrying chase and unperturbed pace, Deliberate speed, majestic instancy, They beat, and a Voice beat, More instant than the feet: All things betray thee who betrayest me. All things that are not in harmony with Natural Law will ultimately cause you suffering and inevitably you will (either willingly or reluctantly) supplicate in obedience to the laws of nature. Not easy for the ego because as Francis Thompson goes on to say in his poem: I pleaded, outlaw-wise, by many a hearted casement, curtained red, trellised with inter-twining charities, For though I knew His love who followed, Yet was I sore adread, lest having Him, *I should have naught beside*. So the soul conjectures, if I give in to conscience and truth (natural law) I will have to give up all my old friends; sex, drink, gluttony, and so forth. Perhaps so, but as the Bible says: He that findeth his life (soul) shall lose it (ego) : and he that loseth his life (ego) for my sake shall find it (soul). and the Gita: He who has conquered his self (ego) by his Self (soul) alone is himself his own best friend Gita/CH6vs6
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi is Brahman
One day the Christians went crazy and made Jesus God Mohammad --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote: If you object to the kind of person or the personalities he appointed, it is you that is perverted and against Dharma.
[FairfieldLife] Would you trust this guy with your wallet?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Using shaktimat in yoga
Notice the excellent posture (asana) of the guy in the red dhoti, the tmorg could learn a few things from him. Generally TM'ers have poor posture for meditation, (necks bent, spines bent), in spite of it all TM gives good rest, but, does poor posture lead to sleep? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: http://www.rubiinigroup.com/images/stories/shaktimatto.pdf The text is in Finnish, but hopefully the pictures speak more than a thousand words...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gays think they can make their own rules!
No, you actually don't have the picture, here's the picture, enjoy: (Turn up volume) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqc8TD2ynzo --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: Surity is a seductive drug isn't it? And with an all powerful imaginary friend no less. Must be amazing to be so close to the big guy,huh? Just you and him knowing each other's thoughts intimately, alone together in the quiet of the night, a brief snuggle followed by a clumsy but not unwelcome wandering hand bringing you to that firm throbbing knowledge of what is absolutely right for other people who may be listening to their own imaginary friends. But their friend doesn't have the strong shoulders and cute jawline of your secret imaginary manfriend. With his strong arms holding you and making you feel so safe and sure and getting more and more excited until you just explode in a fountain of God's manliness, falling back into his comforting arms that feel so turgidly right against those gay people's flacid wrongness. I got the picture now. e--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: From a Religious standpoint, where the Laws of Nature determine proper behavior according to the rules designed by God, the idea that mere humans can flout God's laws is foolhardy to say the least. Presuming the Religious point of view is correct; Gays, though well intended, are basically misguided fools! The laws of nature are designed to protect humanity from suffering, not deprive them from happiness and pleasure. Only by following Natural Law can man become truly happy, not visa-versa. Not matter how hard Gays try to change society, one thing they will NEVER be able to change is the still small voice of their own soul called conscience!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gays think they can make their own rules!
I hope you're right for 'their' sake, has it ever occurred to you that if you were wrong you'd be sending messages to them supporting behavior that would be conducive to their suffering? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: From a Religious standpoint, where the Laws of Nature determine proper behavior according to the rules designed by God, the idea that mere humans can flout God's laws is foolhardy to say the least. Presuming the Religious point of view is correct; Gays, though well intended, are basically misguided fools! The laws of nature are designed to protect humanity from suffering, not deprive them from happiness and pleasure. Only by following Natural Law can man become truly happy, not visa-versa. Not matter how hard Gays try to change society, one thing they will NEVER be able to change is the still small voice of their own soul called conscience!! I would suggest that your self-rtighteous, Puritanical, religious based, ignorant judgmental bigotry is what is contrary to Natural Law. Homosexuality is found occurring 'Naturally' not only in humans but throughout the evolutionary scale: Homosexual behaviour widespread in animals according to new study Homosexual behaviour is a nearly universal phenomenon in the animal kingdom, according to a new study. Louise Gray, Environment Correspondent - 16 Jun 2009 [Homosexual behaviour widespread in animals according to new study] Dolphins have been known engage in same-sex interactions to facilitate group bonding Photo: GETTY The pairing of same sex couples had previously been observed in more than 1,000 species including penguins, dolphins and primates. However, in the latest study the authors claim the phenomenon is not only widespread but part of a necessary biological adaptation for the survival of the species. They found that on the Hawaiian island of Oahu, almost a third of the Laysan albatross population is raised by pairs of two females because of the shortage of males. Through these 'lesbian' unions, Laysan albatross are flourishing. Their existence had been dwindling before the adaptation was noticed. Other species form same-sex bonds for other reasons, they found. Dolphins have been known engage in same-sex interactions to facilitate group bonding while male-male pairings in locusts killed off the weaker males. A pair of gay penguins recently hatched an egg at a German zoo after being given the egg that had been rejected by its biological parents by keepers. Writing in Trends in Ecology Evolution, Dr Nathan Bailey, an evolutionary biologist at California University, said previous studies have failed to consider the evolutionary consequences of homosexuality. He said same homosexual behaviour was often a product of natural selection to further the survival of the species. Dr Bailey said: It's clear same-sex sexual behaviour extends far beyond the well-known examples that dominate both the scientific and popular literature for example, bonobos, dolphins, penguins and fruit flies. Same-sex behaviours courtship, mounting or parenting are traits that may have been shaped by natural selection, a basic mechanism of evolution that occurs over successive generations, he said. But our review of studies also suggests that these same-sex behaviours might act as selective forces in and of themselves. http://snipurl.com/u5j9y [www_telegraph_co_uk] See Also: 1,500 animal species practice homosexuality http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gays think they can make their own rules!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Well, aren't you the busy body, wagging your self-righteous finger at people you dont' even know. Are you kidding me? Religious nutbags such as yourself are the misguided fools, not gays. Your bigotry is founded in fear of your own sexuality. Guys like you burn witches at the stake. Let the boys loose. Get a girlfriend, get layed and most of all, get off your presumptuous soapbox. You, and Mr. Do bring up an interesting point I've pondered for years. Gay activists generally think if they root out so-called homophobia and puritanical thinking from Society they will root out the conflict from within themselves as well. I think they're mistaken. Unfortunately they don't understand the source of their conflict isn't Society but their own Conscience! When the soul becomes outraged by the abnormal behavior of the Ego, it protests, for the soul intuitively knows the real ramifications of sin (ignorance). Conscience is that vehicle of the outrage of the soul beckoning the individual to cease and change one's behavior. Unfortunately, these people, not being Religious for the most part and not understanding the constitution of man, don't understand this inner conflict and think this inhibition is being imposed from without, it isn't, it's the tiny still voice of conscience within their own soul. The only way to end the conflict is, not to change society, but to change themselves!! Just a theory.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gays think they can make their own rules!
Actually, God doesn't make any human Gay, every soul is born with proclivities he or she has brought over from previous lives. If He/She was promiscuous in a previous life, he/she is promiscuous now, or born that way. If He/She was effeminate or overly masculine in a previous life, he/she is born effeminate or masculine now . As ye sow, so shall ye reap. A favorite cop-out gays use to defend their homosexuality is, I was born that way, supposedly deflecting the responsibility of their homosexuality from them to Nature or God. Sorry, but according to the laws of nature he/she is justly receiving the results of their freedom initiated wrong actions in previous lives. Deal with it, unless you want to keep you head in the sand, which is also your freewill to do. Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh shall from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit shall from the Spirit reap eternal life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gays think they can make their own rules!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: How do -you- know what God created and didn't create, you presumptuous self-righteous twit? That homosexuality clearly DID come into existence under Natural Law is undisputsbly obvious in nature. Maybe you simply can't comprehend the fact that Homosexuality is found occurring 'Naturally' not only in humans but throughout the evolutionary scale. For you to make bigoted moral judgments about gays like you are doing is clearly an expression of your religious dogma based ignorance. You even violate the teachings in the book you quote. Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Matthew 7:12 How does the above quote square with Galatians? Perhaps you should be condemning the Bible my friend. Do you have a problem with scripture? Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh shall from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit shall from the Spirit reap eternal life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gays think they can make their own rules!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: How do -you- know what God created and didn't create, you presumptuous self-righteous twit? That homosexuality clearly DID come into existence under Natural Law is undisputsbly obvious in nature. Maybe you simply can't comprehend the fact that Homosexuality is found occurring 'Naturally' not only in humans but throughout the evolutionary scale. For you to make bigoted moral judgments about gays like you are doing is clearly an expression of your religious dogma based ignorance. You even violate the teachings in the book you quote. Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Matthew 7:12 How does the above quote square with Galatians? Perhaps you should be condemning the Bible my friend. Do you have a problem with scripture? Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh shall from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit shall from the Spirit reap eternal life. There's nothing wrong with the Galatians quote. What's wrong is your asinine implied assumption that it applies negatively to gays because YOU think homosexuality is against Natural Law. What's ALSO wrong is your hypocritical violation of the teaching I pointed out in the book you quote. You're another typical ignorant self-righteous religious bigot, BillyG, plain and simple. Easy on the ad hominems my friend, we're just having a conversation. There is a difference between making Judgments for educational purposes and *sitting in Judgment*, I think you've got the two mixed up. Both quotes are harmonious, understanding Karma does not give one the right to sit in Judgment of another but it does enable the reader to make Judgments for oneself as to the nature of right and wrong
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gays think they can make their own rules!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: John, Your hate, contempt and anger towards Billy is palpable. It's also way disproportionate to what he wrote, which is an opinion that you happen to disagree with. I find it coincidental that your tirade (which pretty much happens with anyone you disagree with) occured at the same time that Jon Stewart took Keith Olbermann to task for over-the-top name-calling of Scott Brown. What Stewart says about Obermann in the following clip I believe equally applies to the way you treated Billy (who once again was just expressing an opinion you happen to disagree with): http://tinyurl.com/ybz7q5q Well put Shemp,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gays think they can make their own rules!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: Actually ... every soul is born with proclivities he or she has brought over from previous lives. If He/She was promiscuous in a previous life, he/she is promiscuous now, or born that way. Billy, you may have single-handedly cured my atheism. This God guy sounds like an OK dude. I mean, the way you're explaining it, if I got a lot of nookie in this life -- and I definitely did -- I'll be getting a lot of nookie in the next one. I will, according to you, be *born* in such a way as to insure me getting a lot of nookie. I would suspect that the consequence of ones promiscuity in one life wold lead one to become more and degenerate in the next life. And since sex is insatiable one would be lead to more and more degenerate forms of sex to satisfy the growing demand and urge, leading ultimately to wretchedness, one conceivably in rare cases could even be reborn as an animal. Nice setup. Good work, God. I'm still not big on the using tsunamis and earthquakes to smite people idea, but You get a big high-five from me for this one. Why blame God? When you accepted the individual right of freewill you began to decide your own fate. That's the deal, like it or not! The first sign of Wisdom is understanding this But, having learned the basics, I am curious about the details. Maybe Your humble servant Billy can fill me in on some of them: * If I only slept with three fashion models in this life, and not one of them a supermodel, am I limited to three in the next life? I know that Your time is precious, but if You could tell Billy the answer to this one fairly soon it would really help me out. There is a Vogue fashion shoot scheduled for Sitges during the Carnivale in February, and Your answer may determine which bars I frequent during that period. * If I only had one threesome relationship (two women and me, so neither You nor Billy have to worry about that gay thing), am I limited to only one threesome in the next life? If so, I may be more discriminating next time and not choose sisters. Sister issues are a bitch. * If I missed sleeping with women of some ethnic persuasion this time around, am I not likely to score with women of that ethnicity next time around? Knowing this in advance would save me a lot of time. * If I was promiscuous in this incarnation with someone who was really smokin' and wanted to hook up my next incarnation with *her* next incarnation, is there any possibility of this? One of the models could do just the most amazing things with an airbrush. Thanks for Your time, Big Guy. And for providing Your humble servant Billy to tell me all this stuff. Made my day. And possibly, if Your answer to any of the questions above is Yes, my night.
[FairfieldLife] Rush calls liberals *cockroaches*! :-)
Are there any on this forum?
[FairfieldLife] Liberalism/Socialism at variance with Natural Law.
Liberalism, Marxism, Socialism are all at variance with Natural Law which proclaims, As a Man Soweth, that also shall he Reap, which is a doctrine based on MERIT. Liberalism has nothing to do with merit!! Capitalism does, which is the *freedom* to reap the honest benefits of that which one has sown! Marxism and Socialism merely adopt an ideological point of view, that all should be equal in outcome as in, from each according to their ability, to each according to their need, which is idealism grounded in fantasy, (at least for now). Basically, liberals merely attempt to play GOD! by determining outcome!! The era of RamRaj can only come from the embodiment of natural law in the hearts and minds of every individual, (for the forest to be green, every tree must be green). Imposing forms of government upon a group of people in ignorance is laudable but does not fulfill the idea esposued therein but is certainly a good start, (fake it till you make it). Remember the legend of Camelot? That's the closest thing to RamRaj I can think of where a monarchy was ideal.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rush calls liberals *cockroaches*! :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: He can call us whatever he wants. Who gives a shit what drug addled idiot thinks? BillyG wrote: Are there any on this forum? So you admit it, you are a cockroach!! Well, at least you're honest! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Liberalism/Socialism at variance with Natural Law.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Too bad you don't have the IQ to understand what the statement really means. It applies to capitalists too. The capitalists dogs have soiled their beds and will suffer the results as we take their freedom to exploit and plunder away. Are you suggesting there isn't a little larceny in your own soul? My point being, you can't compel honesty, integrity and behavior from without, to be lasting it must come from within. Merely outlawing 'capitalism' will not reform the soul of man, the degenerate man will find other ways to exploit his fellow man. That's like saying bullets kill people, bullets don't kill people they're stupid pieces of lead and have no volition, people kill people!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Travesty! Supremes Confirm Corporate Personhood
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:19 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travesty! Supremes Confirm Corporate Personhood Let's see we have Teabaggers who can't spell and you want me to have faith in the American people? Rent Bladerunner and look at your future. What this means is that corporations can really own politicians. Maybe we ought to require politicians to wear patches indicating their contributors. What we could do is restrict the size of corporations to 200 people. Beyond that the ability to manage them goes out of control anyway and you really don't need anything larger this day in age. So you think Google, Microsoft, Boeing, etc., could function if reduced to 200 people? I agree with you on most liberal issues, but this idea seems silly. As long as Unions are required to do the same thingall this does is LEVEL the playing field my friend!!! Capitalism in and of itself is NOT evil, nor is any form of government according to MMY. Any form of government can work as long as the level of consciousness is high MMY/Paraphrased
[FairfieldLife] Re: Liberalism/Socialism at variance with Natural Law.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BillyG Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:27 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Liberalism/Socialism at variance with Natural Law. Then why are saints compassionate, always trying to help the downtrodden? Conservatives' attitude seems to be I'm going to get mine; screw everybody else. Quite the opposite of what every human embodiment of natural law ever taught. I don't know if I agree with you suggestion that Conservatives are selfish? They're like anybody else, are you suggesting there a NO Liberals that are selfish? I doubt you're suggesting that. America is still the most generous Country in the World to my knowledge, and it was founded on free market Capitalism, wasn't it?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Liberalism/Socialism at variance with Natural Law.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BillyG Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:39 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Liberalism/Socialism at variance with Natural Law. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of BillyG Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:27 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Liberalism/Socialism at variance with Natural Law. Then why are saints compassionate, always trying to help the downtrodden? Conservatives' attitude seems to be I'm going to get mine; screw everybody else. Quite the opposite of what every human embodiment of natural law ever taught. I don't know if I agree with you suggestion that Conservatives are selfish? They're like anybody else, are you suggesting there a NO Liberals that are selfish? I doubt you're suggesting that. There are exceptions to every generality. America is still the most generous Country in the World to my knowledge, and it was founded on free market Capitalism, wasn't it? Yes, which at the time depended on slavery, which liberals succeeded in outlawing. For an eloquent discussion of the need for government restraint of free market Capitalism, watch or read the transcript of last week's episode of Bill Moyers Journal, with the Wall Street Journal's Thomas Frank: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/01152010/watch.html I didn't know liberals freed the slaves and ended slavery?
[FairfieldLife] Gays think they can make their own rules!
From a Religious standpoint, where the Laws of Nature determine proper behavior according to the rules designed by God, the idea that mere humans can flout God's laws is foolhardy to say the least. Presuming the Religious point of view is correct; Gays, though well intended, are basically misguided fools! The laws of nature are designed to protect humanity from suffering, not deprive them from happiness and pleasure. Only by following Natural Law can man become truly happy, not visa-versa. Not matter how hard Gays try to change society, one thing they will NEVER be able to change is the still small voice of their own soul called conscience!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Scott Brown, my kind of Republican!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: BillyG: Scott Brown, my kind of Republican! It's a really bad idea - and if the number of tea parties being held now is any indication, this move will spark an outrage with the mid-term voters. Apparently a majority of American voters are not in favor of passage of the current health insurance reform bill. With Brown in the Senate, Reid's natural coalition becomes one vote short of 60, empowering the Republicans to block the bill--but only if they all stick together. For Reid and for the White House, this creates an almost irresistible temptation to slow the seating of Brown while trying to rush the healthcare bill to President Barack Obama's desk while they still have the votes to override the filibuster. It's a bad idea... Read more: 'Scott Brown Should Take His Senate Seat Immediately' By Peter Roff U.S. News World Report January 20, 2010 http://tinyurl.com/ydhzp7d It's the People's Seat Scott Brown http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJEEQHOnI2Q
[FairfieldLife] Coburn (Republican) Offers Amendment to Reduce Fed Spending!
January 20, 2010 Coburn (Republican) Offers Amendment to Reduce Federal Spending, Not Increase National Debt While the Senate debates legislation to increase the national debt, Dr. Coburn has offered an amendment to stop the debt increase and immediately reduce federal spending. Specifically, the amendment would alleviate the need to increase the national debt by rescinding at least $120 billion by consolidating more than 640 duplicative government programs, cutting wasteful Washington spending, and returning billions of dollars of unspent money. The amendment will be debated this week and early next week. Sixty votes are required to approve the amendment http://coburn.senate.gov/public/
[FairfieldLife] Scott Brown, my kind of Republican!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkwu260Ih2k
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another Climate Change scandal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Here's a comment posted on that page: People disagreeing over how quickly glaciers are going to melt is not a scandal. But those people who bury their heads in the sand and claim that climate change doesn't exist at all are simply deluding themselves. We are using up too much energy too quickly and we are putting too much waste into landfill sites. Those who deny that the environment is being seriously damaged do so because they are too lazy to recycle or save energy. http://newshuddlines.blogspot.com So let's have THAT argument, and not cloak the laudable goal of improving the environment in catastrophe, embellished numbers and political correctness. I understand the ipcc NOW says it will take 40 to 50 years for some of these, 'disasters' to happen. I don't think Al Gore can wait that long, investments you know! Al, store up your treasures in heaven, where where moth and rust do not destroy
[FairfieldLife] Re: John Manning's slave-owner mentality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: Certainly. Taking food when you're starving doesn't somehow make you indecent. They are for the most part law abiding. There's virtually no law to abide by in the areas that have been hardest hit by the earthquake. To refrain from taking food under those circumstances because it's against the law is cutting off your nose to spite your face. I also know that it takes a lot before someone resorts to stealing. Yes, in the case of food, about 72 hours. If your threshold is lower than others, that is a reflection on you, Judy, not on the Haitian people. As I just pointed out, we don't know whether it's lower than others. And I don't think it's a reflection (a negative one, at least) on either me or the Haitian people. And your attempts to justify or excuse bad behavior on the part of a few reflects on the whole population in a distasteful way. I don't consider it bad behavior. Stealing, under any circumstances is bad behavior, now, is it forgiven? probably yes! There is such a thing as mitigating circumstances, however I think it would merit a punishment never the less, however slight
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who to blame for the Haiti earthquake?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Nah, it's the Sun and Moon being aided by Rahu, Venus and Mercury hanging out in Sag's house. IOW, it's a conspiracy! :-D Doncha think it's possible that the earthquake happened because someone in Haiti had messy hair, and that some spit MAN is responsible for it being messy? It's probably spit Keven Costner who flouted the Laws Of Nature to make this happen. Or at least I'm pretty sure that's how at least one person on this forum sees it. :-) Mike Dixon wrote: BS! Everybody knows it's Bush's fault! From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com Some time ago someone posted a list of the rajas and their domains, among which was: Lucien Mansour 113 Haiti Looks like Lucien skipped his program. Bad Lucien. If your believe in Divine Justice then, the dispensary of that justice is the law of Karma. It's hard to believe this could be that, but, what else could it be, how do you explain it otherwise? The victims of this, and other earthquakes are meriting what they have sowed in previous (or present) lives, this is the law of Karma. Now, some folks would like to take that a step further and say, well, therefore that gives us license to sit in Judgment of them or to be indifferent!! Wrong!! Judge not lest ye be judged, and do unto others as you would have them do on to you!! Those are the *other* laws which proclaim, As ye sow, so shall ye reap! As per the particulars, only God can know for sure what or why these poor folks fell victim to such a disaster, as for me, I will be donating money for their relief..
[FairfieldLife] Prominent Scientists now think mini ice age imminent!
They say that their research shows that much of the warming was caused by oceanic cycles when they were in a `warm mode' as opposed to the present `cold mode'. This challenge to the widespread view that the planet is on the brink of an irreversible catastrophe is all the greater because the scientists could never be described as global warming `deniers' or sceptics. Among the most prominent of the scientists is Professor Mojib Latif, a leading member of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which has been pushing the issue of man-made global warming on to the international political agenda since it was formed 22 years ago. Prof Latif, who leads a research team at the renowned Leibniz Institute at Germany's Kiel University, has developed new methods for measuring ocean temperatures 3,000ft beneath the surface, where the cooling and warming cycles start. snip http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mi\ ni-ice-age-starts-here.html
