[FairfieldLife] RE: Shamans and Don Juan Matus
Interesting observation that. Did they turn red after they got here and, they must have all left together as there don't seem to be any left there from what I have heard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: They don't call Native Americans Indians for nothing, since they all came from Asia in the first place. Go figure. According to what I've read, a recent study of a 40,000 year old skeleton from China showed that early modern humans present in the Beijing area 40,000 y ago were related to the ancestors of many present-day Asians as well as Native Americans. So, what is a shaman anyway? A shaman is anybody who contacts a spirit world while in an altered state of consciousness. The idea is based on the notion that the visible world is of the senses is pervaded by invisible forces or spirits which affect the lives of living people. Shamans can reach altered states of consciousness in order to encounter and interact with the spirit world and channel transcendental energies. For me there is only the traveling on the paths that have heart, on any path that may have heart. There I travel, and the only worthwhile challenge for me is to traverse its full length. And there I travel—looking, looking, breathlessly. - Don Juan Matus Only known photography of Don Juan Matus:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Life as Reality Hologram
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, compost1uk compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nelsonriddle2001 nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snippus interruptus It should be obvious to anyone who has spent some time here that we do not all live in the same reality. The frequency -- and the *vehemence* -- of the never- ending arguments about what Reality is should clue us in to the fact that we are all seeing different realities. sipp,, Suggesting that this person's reality is Reality is to suggest that there is only *One* Reality. And sorry, but I'm not buyin' that one... It would seem that there must be as many realities as there are people for no two can have the same view point as in I am shorter than you so you have a higher view etc. Given that each of us has a different history,nothing will be seen quite the same. Like the immigration survey in CA- 70 percent said no es problema seriosa. But Nelson - why does that add up to many realities? Why not just multiple perspectives on the same, one, reality? If I see you in the distance, I see only one side of you. That doesn't mean I don't see *you*: It just means my perception is incomplete. If, at the same time, someone is gazing at your other side - does that mean we are blessed with TWO Nelson Riddles? I would hope not,, You are right- multiple views of the same reality like the blind men and the elephant- each found the elephant to be, for them, a different discovery. I guess that by definition you could only have one reality but, as we see these days, a lot of people are trying to obscure it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Victor Stenger's New Athiesm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, compost1uk compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: http://www.colorado.edu/philosophy/vstenger/ from the website: In The New Atheism, I review and expand upon the principles of New Atheism and answer many of its critics. I show how naturalism, the view that everything is matter an nothing more, is sufficient to explain all we observe in the universe from the most distant galaxies to the inner workings of the brain that result in the phenomenon of mind. [snip] Phew! And all before lunch no doubt. OK, Perhaps he'll need till tea time for the inner workings of the brain that result in the phenomenon of mind. But easy-peasy all the same. Or hubris? (And why does naturalism equate to materialism?) Seems amazing that some people still think that because they havent expierienced something, it doesn't exist. A dunce forsooth..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Victor Stenger's New Athiesm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, compost1uk compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, compost1uk compost1uk@ wrote: snip I don't think it's about the stuff so much as about the laws: A supernatural object or event is one in which the Laws of Nature are temporarily suspended (or violated). But that would imply we know all the laws of nature, wouldn't it? Well, maybe. What an odd idea supernatural is when you prod and poke at it! Something strange needs explaining. The supernaturalist says there IS no explanation; Or gives an explanation that can't be turned into a testable hypothesis. the scientist says there would be if we could just figure it out. I think I'm with the latter, but (against Stenger), I don't see why all explanations are materialist explanations. I think it comes down to testability. I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of things that are rejected as supernatural because they can't be-- or haven't been--nailed down by a test have simply not been tested properly. Lawrence LeShan came out with a book recently arguing that tests for mental telepathy are so poorly designed that they couldn't find telepathy even if it did exist, and proposes a different approach altogether. Maybe it is like a migraine- hard to explain or test for but when you expierience it, you are likely to become a believer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Life as Reality Hologram
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snippus interruptus It should be obvious to anyone who has spent some time here that we do not all live in the same reality. The frequency -- and the *vehemence* -- of the never- ending arguments about what Reality is should clue us in to the fact that we are all seeing different realities. sipp,, Suggesting that this person's reality is Reality is to suggest that there is only *One* Reality. And sorry, but I'm not buyin' that one... It would seem that there must be as many realities as there are people for no two can have the same view point as in I am shorter than you so you have a higher view etc. Given that each of us has a different history,nothing will be seen quite the same. Like the immigration survey in CA- 70 percent said no es problema seriosa.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A dailymail.co.uk article from Mike Dixon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Are we on the cusp of Civil War II yet? ;-) LOL... Dixon thinks the South will rise again. He doesn't realize how marginalized and irrelevant his loud and visible but clownish minority fringe wacko pals are becoming. They've become a bizarre circus attraction at best. mdixon.6569@ wrote: We'll be back, again and again, bigger and stronger. snip At the town hall meetings I saw, we wingnuts didn't look like a minority by any means- did I miss something here?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The prescience of Barney Frank
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: One of the issues dearest to my heart is the oppressive taxes that self-employed people have to pay in the U.S., something I've mentioned before here on this forum. The self-employed have to pay double on payroll taxes because they are their own employer; so we pay 15.3% instead of 7.65% on the first $106,000 of Adjusted Gross Income (or something like that). So if you have, say, $40,000 of taxable income, you are in a ridiculous 45% tax bracket (25% federal income tax marginal rate, 5% state, and 15.3% payroll tax). snip, Being a one man business and, not dealing in very big numbers, I don't seem to be having such problems, Last year, HR Block charged me 160.00 to figure out that I owed 140.00 for federal and, I came in under the radar for state tax.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A dailymail.co.uk article from Mike Dixon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nelsonriddle2001 nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Are we on the cusp of Civil War II yet? ;-) LOL... Dixon thinks the South will rise again. He doesn't realize how marginalized and irrelevant his loud and visible but clownish minority fringe wacko pals are becoming. They've become a bizarre circus attraction at best. mdixon.6569@ wrote: We'll be back, again and again, bigger and stronger. snip At the town hall meetings I saw, we wingnuts didn't look like a minority by any means- did I miss something here? Dixon was talking about the 9/12 march in Wash DC, not a town hall event. A room packed with wingnuts wouldn't appear to be a minority... in a room packed with wingnuts. OIC, very logical, thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: LOL - Joe Wilson Voted for Funding Illegal Alien Healthcare in 2003
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Can you say 'hypocrite' boys and girls? Why would that make him a hypocrite? If he yelled out you lie that doesn't tell us what side of the issue Wilson is on -- or was on -- it just tells us that Wilson is claiming that Obama is is lying about something. You can't be serious, Shremp... One of the most persistent conservative concerns about health care legislation is that it will provide health care to illegal immigrants -- and the heated claim spilled onto the floor of President Obama's address to a joint session of Congress this evening, where one Republican member called the president a liar for denying it. Okay, I went to the link you provided and it has nothing on Wilson. So why did you provide the link? Again, even if Wilson is the #1 advocate against providing healthcare to illegal immigrants, why does that make him a hypocrite by shouting out you lie? It may make him rude but not hypocritical. The only issue after the impropriety of acting like Judy Stein and calling the president a liar is whether the president lied or not. Wilson's hypocrisy is obvious to any child and Obama didn't lie, Shremp: TIME: In the Senate Finance Committee working framework for a health plan, which Obama's speech seemed most to mimic, there is the line: No illegal immigrants will benefit from the health care tax credits. Similarly, the major health care reform bill to pass out of committee in the House, H.R. 3200, contains a Section 246, which is called, NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS. http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1921455,00.html Politifact: ...When we look at all of this evidence, it seems that health reform leaves in place the status quo on illegal immigration, and certainly does not provide any new benefits particularly for illegal immigrants The best argument that we find that health reform would help illegal immigrants is that some might be able to purchase the public option -- if it passes, and it might not -- on the new health insurance exchange. They would purchase that at full cost. Obama's said the reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally, which Wilson said was a lie. Actually, Obama can make a pretty thorough case that reform doesn't apply to those here illegally. We don't find the public option argument enough to make the case that Obama lied. We rate Wilson's statement False. http://snipurl.com/rqo21 [www_politifact_com] FactCheck.org: Illegal Immigrants Will Be Covered: FALSE One Republican congressman issued a press release claiming that 5,600,000 Illegal Aliens May Be Covered Under Obamacare, and we've been peppered with queries about similar claims. They're not true. In fact, the House bill (the only bill to be formally introduced in its entirety) specifically says that no federal money would be spent on giving illegal immigrants health coverage: H.R. 3200: Sec 246 NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States. Also, under current law, those in the country illegally don't qualify for federal health programs. Of interest: About half of illegal immigrants have health insurance now, according to the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center, which says those who lack insurance do so principally because their employers don't offer it. http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/seven-falsehoods-about-health-care/ [snip to end] It looks like if they are not checking on their status, it would be a moot point no?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Apology to Turing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: From Telegraph.com.uk: Gordon Brown: I'm proud to say sorry to a real war hero The treatment of code-breaker Alan Turing was utterly unfair, says Gordon Brown By Gordon Brown Published: 9:30PM BST 10 Sep 2009 Computer pioneer Alan Turing, who helped crack German Enigma codes during WWII This has been a year of deep reflection a chance for Britain, as a nation, to commemorate the profound debts we owe to those who came before. A unique combination of anniversaries and events have stirred in us that sense of pride and gratitude that characterise the British experience. Earlier this year, I stood with Presidents Sarkozy and Obama to honour the service and the sacrifice of the heroes who stormed the beaches of Normandy 65 years ago. And just last week, we marked the 70 years which have passed since the British government declared its willingness to take up arms against fascism and declared the outbreak of the Second World War. snip, Interesting story- Had forgotten about Mr turing and want to add that the Polish had done a lot of earlier ground work in the effort. Having worked with this equipment, I would observe that it was a near miracle that they had any sucess at all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Big Moving Sale
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, meowthirteen meowthirt...@... wrote: --- O geez I will be vending @ the market these hours I sure am interested in the pasta maker,so I can take some mint I grow and put it into a pastaput a white sauce on top-and a basil one and a lavender one...sometimes it is 2 pm before I am able to depart from the market. I wonder how much you are needing for it(?) And if you know anyone who would come over to the market for a snack for y all while you work your sale-maybe they would come by let me know how much (?) I had one, but it passed on to be incarnated into a refridgerator. Really the crank broke inside.I have been looking ever since to replace it. Well if you can, you are welcome at the tent people say looks like Camelot. Come have a pear. If you have two pearls, I may be interested in them. I was gifted single pearl earrings and I lost one. Would be great to make a set again. The flavor of your items for sale I adore-much interests me, but there are others in the world that should have loveliness in their days. These things I mentioned I miss . Please come by or I may check after the market,among my other errands. Thanks for posting! namaste snip Hi M-13, Was talking to Tom at lucky day and mentioned your kind thoughts about the store. He appreciated that very much as they having been feeling a bit down and felt uplifted at the news. thank you..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weight Control Research (was How Bevan got so big?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_re...@... wrote: http://snipurl.com/rq3et http://snipurl.com/rq3et [www_onlineprnews_com] It has been known for some time that stress, and fatigue are probable causes of obesity. It's also well know that the Transcendental Meditation Program is an effective solution for stress management. So according to researchers using the Transcendental Meditation Program to control weight was just the next logical step. Brain Chemistry and Weight Loss through Meditation Unlike diet or exercise which achieve weight loss by focusing on improving the physical body, the Transcendental Meditation Program addresses the problem of weight gain by correcting mental imbalances. When the brain is not functioning correctly it sends incorrect messages to the body resulting in abnormal food cravings, unneeded fat deposits, and an overly slow metabolism. There is not one type of mental imbalance that causes obesity. Several different independent studies each show how a particular imbalance in the brain is responsible for weight gain. One common imbalance is low serotonin levels, caused by stress, fatigue, and an imbalanced diet. Another common imbalance is incorrect functioning of the hypothalamus, which can be triggered by many factors including stress and diet. Did you note the role of MSG and HFCS in the equasion?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dressing Up, Dressing Down
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: So what's it like? What do the roos wear? What do the townies wear? Do you feel that you have to change clothes to go into town? Do you feel that you have to change clothes to attend a TMO function? Do you even wear clothes? FF is very informal. The other day, I finally gutted my closet of ancient clothes that haven't fit me for a very long time, and there was a fantastic pair of soft suede pants that I couldn't have worn more than half a dozen times. During our recent trip to Beverly Hills, one of my goals was to get one really nice dark suit that I can wear to inevitable somber occasions in the future, but everything else I bought is cool upscale stuff that I can wear with a pair of blue jeans. Went to a church supper last year with my bib overalls and, no one noticed it as out of place. (just about never get mistaken for a roo)
[FairfieldLife] Re: WWII Conspiracy Theories (Was: Right Wing Lunacy Getting Worse?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: I've been somewhat intrigued by a lot of conspiracy theories regarding war, some of which have a strong basis in facts, some of which are ridiculous. Does anyone here (specifically Bob Brigante who posted this below) know of any of the theories that WWII was completely avoidable, but the world bank fueled it because the world bank knew that every country participating would go into debt to the world bank in the process of trying to fund their own war? Supposedly all countries, Axis and Allies, had to borrow from the world bank in order to survive economically during the war. Nobody, not even Japan and Germany had any deep desire to lose the lives they lost. Only modern Islamic extremists seem to enjoy dying. I also remember the conspiracy theory that FDR and others in the USA knew about Pearl Harbor well ahead of time, but ignored it(much like 9/11 conpiracy theories). Supposedly FDR(Franklin Roosevelt) could see the next world superpower being whoever controlled oil. He befriended Saudi Arabia early in his administration in order to guarantee the US a top spot. I don't remember all the details, but some believe that other countries saw FDR's actions as a threat to their own existence and started beefing themselves up and trying to compete with that COG (Center of Gravity - a common term indicating the pivot point of a particular nations strategy). Then FDR allowed a major war in order to put the USA on the pedestal as the king of the hill. I remember a quote from Martin Sheen in Apocolypse Nowthe bullshit piled up so high in Vietnam you needed wings to stay above it seems like that's the reality of every war we've ever been in seekliberation snip,, It is interesting that some of the theories will turn out to be fact in the face of general disbelief. I hadn't been watching the older ones but some of the more recent happenings are more easily seen thru. Someone with a background in heavy metal work (welder) would see that the 9-11 report was a total farce for example. It does look like things are run from behind the scene and, the present administration has the unenviable job of public relations.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Politics as Shamanism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: snip The bill has become due. The big boys know this but can't simple tell the public they need to tighten their belts. The public doesn't need to be told to tighten their belts. They're already doing it, either because they have no choice or because they're afraid things will get worse and are trying to stay ahead of the game. Unfortunately, belt-tightening is *not* the remedy for the present economic situation. People who can afford it should be spending money, not saving it. The less consumer spending, the less production; the less production, the fewer jobs; the fewer jobs, the less consumer spending. It's a vicious circle. Government can make up for only so much of the decline in consumer spending, but as it is, the government isn't spending enough either. Maybe outsoursing too much and, buying foriegn made stuff has something to do with so many out of work that can't spend much? Do you think a lot of the present problem was brought about by those complaining?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Politics as Shamanism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nelsonriddle2001 nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: snip The bill has become due. The big boys know this but can't simple tell the public they need to tighten their belts. The public doesn't need to be told to tighten their belts. They're already doing it, either because they have no choice or because they're afraid things will get worse and are trying to stay ahead of the game. Unfortunately, belt-tightening is *not* the remedy for the present economic situation. People who can afford it should be spending money, not saving it. The less consumer spending, the less production; the less production, the fewer jobs; the fewer jobs, the less consumer spending. It's a vicious circle. Government can make up for only so much of the decline in consumer spending, but as it is, the government isn't spending enough either. Maybe outsoursing too much and, buying foriegn made stuff has something to do with so many out of work that can't spend much? Do you think a lot of the present problem was brought about by those complaining? Good grief, no, and no. Here's a primer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession_of_2008 Good grief, what a lot of fine print. I stand corrected. I did think that the old buy American, save your job motto had some merit tho. Did you read F.I.A.S.C.O (title) concernes wall street dishonesty. Guess I should should stick with the conspiacy theories where everyone can be entitled to an opinion even if they are (adjective omitted).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Politics as Shamanism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nelsonriddle2001 nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nelsonriddle2001 nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: snip The bill has become due. The big boys know this but can't simple tell the public they need to tighten their belts. The public doesn't need to be told to tighten their belts. They're already doing it, either because they have no choice or because they're afraid things will get worse and are trying to stay ahead of the game. Unfortunately, belt-tightening is *not* the remedy for the present economic situation. People who can afford it should be spending money, not saving it. The less consumer spending, the less production; the less production, the fewer jobs; the fewer jobs, the less consumer spending. It's a vicious circle. Government can make up for only so much of the decline in consumer spending, but as it is, the government isn't spending enough either. Maybe outsoursing too much and, buying foriegn made stuff has something to do with so many out of work that can't spend much? Do you think a lot of the present problem was brought about by those complaining? Good grief, no, and no. Here's a primer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession_of_2008 Good grief, what a lot of fine print. I stand corrected. I did think that the old buy American, save your job motto had some merit tho. Sure, but it's really a very minor factor in the current economic mess. Did you read F.I.A.S.C.O (title) concernes wall street dishonesty. No, haven't read it. Don't want to raise my blood pressure to dangerous levels! I don't really need convincing on that score. Is it a good read? Quite boring and, sad to see that there are very few honest people involved if any.
[FairfieldLife] Re: [Obama Pretends He Dosen't Know] , nothin'...]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, babajii_99 babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nelsonriddle2001 nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, babajii_99 babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Obama Doesn't Want You To Know He Knows Public Option Is Popular By: emptywheel Friday September 4, 2009 11:23 am (snip) I have an idea, what happened to President Obama, since he was inaugurated President... It seems like, someone had a 'Little Talk'...with him... snip,, r.g. Sounds like some wingnut conspiracy theory. :-) Thank you, for your kind remarks, sir...as I was thinking the same thing, myself... I first was 'Clued In' about this scenero, some years back, when I had met this guy, who said, that he had been in the CIA, and that his father had been in the CIA, also... He told me he wanted to see the tape, which I described, but told him, that I did not, but he told me what was in it... So, recently I remembered this, and looked on the Net, and there it is... About this story... So, ... I just was thinking, that some of these people are so entrenched in the military, oil, weapons sales, drug dealing bus., that these things are bound to happen, when they start employing thousands upon thousands of 'Black Mercenary Murdering Thugs'...on the government payroll, some making 1/2 mil. a year... These things are bound to happen in the Roman Empire...it's just the way it is... R.G. You don't go along with the Warren commision report? How about the 9-11 report. Then there was the story about people finding anthrax in the mail when they didn't vote properly. If you keep up, I won't be able to be the top conspiracy wingnut
[FairfieldLife] Re: [Obama Pretends He Dosen't Know] , nothin'...]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, babajii_99 babajii...@... wrote: (snip) Obama Doesn't Want You To Know He Knows Public Option Is Popular By: emptywheel Friday September 4, 2009 11:23 am (snip) I have an idea, what happened to President Obama, since he was inaugurated President... It seems like, someone had a 'Little Talk'...with him... That went something like this... He gets a call from: 'Mr. Big'...for a short meeting at the WH... Mr. Big arrives with an entourage of a few people... 'We want you to watch a little tape we have, Mr. President, and BTW, congratulations on the election...what a wonderful speaker, you are, indeed!' 'Here, we will play for you the 'Zupruder Film, in it's original form, before it was altered, slightly... You see, a few frames were removed, but when replace, you can clearly see here, Mr. Greer, a CIA agent, who was driving the car, see how he turns so quickly, the camera barely can track it...and shooting the President, at point blank range...see how the car, is slowing down...see how Jackie is running out'... 'So, anyhow, it's very sad, that we had to do that, very, very sad, indeed'... 'But, you understand, Mr. Obama, that Mr. Kennedy was getting a little too nosey, about our affairs, so, we had no other choice... We had warned him, about this..he never listened...so arrogant, the man was'... But, you are much smarter than he...a better speaker, I might add... So, you have a nice wife, and nice daughters...so beautiful is your life, your family... And such a good speaker, you are...indeed you are... That is why, we want you to continue to make these beautiful speeches of yours, all over the world...to bring the 'World Peace' 'The Peace and Love, of the '60's...ahh, so beautiful, is your vision, Mr. Obama...indeed!' 'Nonetheless, we have our operations, shall we say, very well entrenched by now...you understand, it has been this way, for quite some time, now'... We don't bother you, and you don't bother, us, Kapish? As you saw in the film, we don't play very nice...so... We will leave you now, to a peaceful and joyful night, Mr. Obama... And, we shall be 'In Touch'...but, hopefully, not...'Too in Touch'... r.g. Sounds like some wingnut conspiracy theory. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Right Wing Lunacy is Getting Worse
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Glen Beck sure knows how to put the Moron back in Moroni. In his grave Rolling over Marconi Right, Macaroni should be buried.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Nelson Riddle (and others, if they want)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nelsonriddle2001 nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_reply@ wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Take the case of our recent spammer, Miryam Shoshan Yosef... If she is a U.S. citizen, her 'gun rights' are specified in the U.S. Constitution, Second Amendment, which has been consistently upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court. You and Judy can call citizens who exercise their civil rights 'gun nuts' if you want to, but it doesn't do your argument for disarming the people any good. In fact it makes you two look like extremists, not the othe way around. snip,, IMO the gun problem in the US is unsolveable. Nothing can be done about the extraordinary number of guns already out there, and so any patchwork quilt attempt to limit the number of new guns will be ineffective at reducing the number of them. The larger problem is that Americans believe they NEED guns to feel safe. People in other countries don't. What's wrong with America that its people do? Had you noticed the peoples reaction to having their guns confiscated in England for example? It looked to me like a lot of them were happier with than without. And, I hope you are right about the issue being an unsolvable problem here as there are some considerable forces trying to solve the problem. Their major problem is setting up a dictatorship with an armed citizenry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Nelson Riddle (and others, if they want)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Take the case of our recent spammer, Miryam Shoshan Yosef... If she is a U.S. citizen, her 'gun rights' are specified in the U.S. Constitution, Second Amendment, which has been consistently upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court. You and Judy can call citizens who exercise their civil rights 'gun nuts' if you want to, but it doesn't do your argument for disarming the people any good. In fact it makes you two look like extremists, not the othe way around. But what is really troubling is not that she might have a gun in her possesion, but that you, living in Spain, would even care if she did. You sound really scared, Barry. Firearms laws in Spain are very restrictive, you probabkly already knew that. What I'd be worried about, if I lived over there, is the local terrorists. From what I've read, they're not very fond of people coming over there and sponging off the government.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Nelson Riddle (and others, if they want)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Take the case of our recent spammer, Miryam Shoshan Yosef... If she is a U.S. citizen, her 'gun rights' are specified in the U.S. Constitution, Second Amendment, which has been consistently upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court. You and Judy can call citizens who exercise their civil rights 'gun nuts' if you want to, but it doesn't do your argument for disarming the people any good. In fact it makes you two look like extremists, not the othe way around. But what is really troubling is not that she might have a gun in her possesion, but that you, living in Spain, would even care if she did. You sound really scared, Barry. Firearms laws in Spain are very restrictive, you probabkly already knew that. What I'd be worried about, if I lived over there, is the local terrorists. From what I've read, they're not very fond of people coming over there and sponging off the government. I would think that a background check on her should disqualify her. Here, everyone is checked before getting a permit to purchase which doesn't take long. On another point, if you need something to contemplate, maybe the new vaccine in question will be what causes the flu.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you make sense of the ugliest abuses of man?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Sep 2, 2009, at 11:52 AM, WillyTex wrote: The psycho rapist freakshow conundrum... From what I've read, Phillip Gariddo was a liberal and owned no guns. So, what does that tell you, Vaj? Vaj wrote: He used his penis as his gun and his weapon of personal destruction? It tells me that he was a liberal who owned no guns, like a lot of other people. It also tells me that you don't understand much about the 'ugliest abuses of man'. It also tells me you are very afraid of gun owners and that you equate Phillip Gariddo with law-abiding citizens who own guns. That tells me that you're a quack and a crackpot, and quite possible an extremist who thinks nothing of, really, of psycho rapists, and that you'll use any excuse, even kidnapping and rape, in order to post your own liberal political propaganda. Considering the guy wasn't known as someone who was shooting people, trying to make something of the (alleged) fact that he did not own a gun (or that they have yet to find one) seems kinda silly Willy. And what is your source that he was an alleged liberal? I heard he was a right-wing religious nut! Maybe it is a case of karma where the results are unfathomable and, you shouldn't be too concerned after all. It does seem to natural to be concerned over others problems even tho I seem to recall reading that a wise man grieves not for the living nor the dead
[FairfieldLife] Re: Important - Special election Tuesday, Sept 1st in Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Please share this with all your friends in Fairfield. Important - Special election Tuesday, Sept 1st in Fairfield As many may know, there is a special election on Sept 1st in Fairfield (and the surrounding district 90) for the vacated Iowa House seat of democrat John Whitaker (who was recently appointed to the USDA). The democratic candidate is Curt Hanson, who is a known friend to the environment. His opposition is county Board of Supervisors member republican Stephen Burgmeier . Burgmeier owns a CAFO [CAFO = confined animal feeding operation = factory farm] http://www.epa.gov/region7/water/cafo/index.htm http://www.epa.gov/region7/water/cafo/index.htm on the outskirts of Fairfield and is not known as a friend to the environment. This special election will be held this coming Tuesday Sept 1st, though voters can also cast their votes early, prior to the 1st, by stopping into the Jefferson county courthouse in downtown Fairfield. All city and county polls will be open on Sept 1st === This election is expected to be VERY close - it could even come to single digits (less than 10 votes could well make the difference!) So, if you are registered as a voter in Fairfield (or if you know anyone who is), please take advantage of the opportunity in this special election to help protect the environmental quality of life in Fairfield and the surrounding district 90 by voting FOR Curt Hanson, and to make sure that all your FF friends get out to vote as well. snip,, I noticed that, when surveyed on the marriage definition and the second amendment, that Mr. Hanson didn't have a comment.. That puts him in the class with the man who dosen't have a point of view living in his nowhere land. A politition without a point ov view? this is a contradiction in terms and not a good sign..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who are the gun wackos going to shoot at?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote: But, you already admitted to wanting to take the guns away from law-abiding citizens... Vaj wrote: It used to be called treason... So, where in the U.S. Constitution is it called 'treason'? A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. - Second Amendment to the United States Constitution Wouldn't you call some of the government branches that don't abide by the constitution an example of treason?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who are the gun wackos going to shoot at?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Are the Wingnuts Causing Bullets to Fly off the Shelves in Preparation for Armed Conflict? With Whom? Has anyone noticed President Obama taking guns away from Americans? Anyone? Hands? snip,, When he does, it is already too late and, as the scouts say be prepared That article is older news as things have lightened up some and, supplies are making a comeback slowly. We can congratulate the president for stimulating this industry at least and, wish he did as well with others.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who are the gun wackos going to shoot at?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:06 PM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:03 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: We just need to expand the definition of who can and cannot have guns. I think we just need an extensive ad campaign to balance the NRA's ads and America's macho cowboy heritage from the movies. Something along the lines of the now-famous ads from New South Wales to try to slow down kids who were speeding through towns. The campaign, dubbed Fast Car, Small Penis, worked like a charm. Accidents in the territory dropped by sommething like 50 percent: http://www.videosift.com/video/Fast-Car-Small-Penis-Campaign So just come up with a similar ad campaign for America that does nothing more than tell the obvious truth: Only feel safe when packing a gun? You've got a tiny dick. That's funny. A friend, who is also a psychiatrist, told me show me a middle-aged man obsessed with guns and I'll show you a man with penis problems. It's one of those little saying you just can't forget. A sutra if you will :-) 'Fascination with guns' I see as a phase 7-18 year old boys go thru-- and then they grow up and hopefully stop being boys. Exactly: That just might be worth wearing on the back of a T-Shirt. Over my Kevlar vest, of course. ;-) How do the middle aged women carrying guns fit in to the picture?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The 5 Stages of Fascism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vajradhatu108 vajradh...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nelsonriddle2001 nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip,, It only appears that way if you don't realize how the Republican party has morphed over time. It's no longer any sort of real, honest republican party! In fact it could be argued that our current party system is no true two-party system, only a two-party system by name. In actuality they're one and the same in effect. It also helps to point out that founding fathers were in no way way remotely connected with the words Republican party and the current party of the same name. They're two different entities entirely. Nor are they the Federalists they imagine themselves as. If the founding fathers (my ancestors) saw the Republicans of today, they would either be planning a way to destroy them or (at best) deport them. Looks like a good point- deport them both and start over.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The 5 Stages of Fascism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Aug 28, 2009, at 9:06 AM, WillyTex wrote: Vaj wrote: Worried about the gun nuts... Well, I always thought the 'Brown-shirts' were the ones wanting to take AWAY the weapons owned by the people. In order to do that in the U.S.A., you'd have to repeal the Second Amendment. The last thing the Gestapo would want is for the people to have a well regulated and armed militia. So, if you're wanting to take away my civil rights, then that's probably illegal in the U.S.A. Nelson wrote: I believe the first and second amenndment are both under attack. So, the 'Brown-shirts' are attacking the U.S. Constitution. They think that American citizens who support the Constitution are 'gun nuts'. So, the 'Brown-shirts' call the Americans who support the Second Amendment 'Brown-shirts', but the real 'Brown-shirts' are the liberals who want to take away our civil rights. So, you're saying that the fascists are attacking in '5 stages' and this is the first stage, calling us 'gun nuts'? No, no, no. The Brownshirts are the right-wing extremists who are threatening our Democracy by showing up bearing arms at town meetings Willy. These are meetings for talking, not shooting. So what we need to do is take away the guns of right-wing extremists and dangerous militia groups. Everyone else would get to keep theirs. It might just be easier to chip them. You already have a legal militia in Texas called the Texas National Guard. Don't spit in their faces by going vigilante on them! No one wants another Waco Willy or another McVeigh or another Columbine or another Virginia Tech or another Pittsburgh cop killer or another George Tiller killer or insert next nut. There was a famous painting many people have on their walls in the northern US by an artist named Norman Rockwell of what a town hall meeting is supposed to look like. There are no guns in that picture and everyone's free to speak their mind. There are no Brownshirts in that picture Willy. And that's the way us Yankees would like to keep it. We like to feel free to speak our minds. We don't need no Teabagging Brownshirts around. And you're supposed to read the article before you respond to it WIlly! It looks to me like this picture is sort of inside out--the right wing extremest and malitia groups were what saved the country back when. They were the patriots of their day. Older Yankee
[FairfieldLife] Re: The 5 Stages of Fascism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote: Vaj wrote: Worried about the gun nuts... Well, I always thought the 'Brown-shirts' were the ones wanting to take AWAY the weapons owned by the people. In order to do that in the U.S.A., you'd have to repeal the Second Amendment. The last thing the Gestapo would want is for the people to have a well regulated and armed militia. So, if you're wanting to take away my civil rights, then that's probably illegal in the U.S.A. I believe the first and second amenndment are both under attack.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getcher medical care here...step into the next available cattle stall
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: Seems I heard that HR 3200 also would allow the feds debit your bank accounts. The lord giveth and the lord taketh away. --- On Thu, 8/27/09, WillyTex no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: WillyTex no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Getcher medical care here...step into the next available cattle stall snip, And the fed taketh away? Either way, did they plan on some people not having bank accounts? I don't use mine much and, wouldn't mind trying doing without.
[FairfieldLife] The Health Care Industry As War Profiteers (was Re: Billionaires for Wealthcare)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, babajii_99 babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: We have the Most Profitable Health Care System in the World ! Keep the Billionaires Rich! Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHVwrCzRUX0 Funny and instructive protest/film. While on vacation I found an old copy of Vanity Fair and read an article about Halliburton/KR and the whistleblowers who have pointed out how systematically they have ripped off (and continue to rip it off to this day) the federal government and, by extension, US taxpayers. This flick reminded me that in a real sense the health care industry (doctors, Big Pharma, and insurance com- panies) are KR's moral equivalents -- war profiteers. Somewhere along the line, their focus shifted away fighting the war (against terror, against disease) and shifted to *perpetuating* it. Because every day they can make it last means millions more in the bank for them. What's the difference, after all, between billing the federal government for meals served to a number of people that exceeds the population of Iraq (and worse, having them *pay* that bill without question), and doctors ordering tests that they know are not necessary but which increase their profits or drug companies selling a drug in the US for $20 a pill that they sell in other countries for 40 cents a pill? Nothing. There seems to be a group of people, who continue to be pulling the strings, that have no compassion or mercy, or any redeeming qualities... All they know how to do is divide and conquer, and to war against anyone, who is not in their demonic group... Like you said, if they can't wage war, overseas, then they will wage war on their own countrymen, and woman...keeping the masses, scared, confused and drained... Right now, they've are waging a war on President Obama, and the American people..they will fight tooth and nail to prevent Obama from doing anything which would be against their insidious plans... They consider him, to be an easy target, for their propaganda, which taps into racism, and anything else they can come up with... They will do anything necessary to stay on top, because they don't believe in a Creator God, the Oneness of Spirit, or any evolved consciousness...They believe in seperateness, as long as they can feel superior... It's the same with the people running the TM movement...as they are just a reflection of the same collective rich boy superiority... They have evil selfish, and murderous intentions, and if a new age is truly to manifest itself, these selfish egotistical bastards will need to fail, but since they control everything, I'm not sure how this is going to happen... They have been at this for too long, to give up now... It will take an act of God, to reverse this trend... And that is what will probably happen. r.g. Hey RG this sounds like a similar situation we had here in the seventeen hundreds where a minority of wingnuts handled the problem. Now we have even more wingnuts so you can relax.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Stop the Lautenberg Gun Grab
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Aug 26, 2009, at 4:05 PM, wle...@... wrote: From: i...@... To: wle...@... Sent: 8/26/2009 3:43:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Stop the Lautenberg Gun Grab A special message from Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms: Stop the Lautenberg Gun Grab Gun Hater Lautenberg Proposes Extraordinary Powers Be Given To the U.S. Attorney General To Limit Gun Sales. Are you for or against the gun grab? Each YEAR, almost 10 times the number of people killed in the Iraq War are killed by guns. It's clear something has to be done. One wonders how many homegrown terrorists/militia members are on the list? What we need is a phaser like on Star Trek. You set the sucker on stun and when someone breaks into your home or tries to mug you, you merely point it at them and they're knocked out. Then ya call 911. Problem solved. People are going nutty on this sh*t. People showing up at town meetings with guns, etc. These are all signs of impending fascism, along with the rise of militias. The new brown shirts are the gun nuts in these militias. Let's borrow Sarah Palin's old helicopter and hunt'em down. Being on the wingnuts mailing list, I have seen this one afew times- there are more of them out there.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Stop the Lautenberg Gun Grab
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , WLeed3@ wrote: From: info@ To: wleed3@ Sent: 8/26/2009 3:43:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Stop the Lautenberg Gun Grab Lol ! What'ya gonna do to stop it wingnut? Shoot somebody? OffWorld Might not have to-lots of people working on getting rid of the Lautenberg type butt heads peacefully.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Republican Agenda'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, babajii_99 babajii...@... wrote: (snip) Being a bright lad, I expect you noticed that everyone in Washington is seriously anti second amendment. (name any of the top players) Do you think it is accidental? Mr. Nelson, it's no riddle, if you believe this stuff as true... Just stock up on as much ammo, as you can, at Walmart...just buy everything they have... In the meantime, stock up on every kind of handgun, rifle, shotguns, flame throwers, hand grenades, everything... The only thing you might have trouble securing is a 'Nuclear War-head'... But as smart as you are, you could probably figure out a way to make on... R.g. Hi RG, Being the resident conspiracy theorist-rightwingnut-anti UN- anti big government and, whatever, I am entitled to have a different opinion than most of the current hypnotized types we see in the majority. Wallmart here dosent carry ammo anymore and, not being in the rich and famous category, stocking up is slow going. keep laughing..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Swine Flu's, Bird Flu's - caused by Meat Eaters
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: Swine Flus, Bird Flus - caused by Meat Eaters. To prevent future epidemics people should stop eating meat. Problem solved. No swine flu, no bird flu which starts on farms. Also Jacobs-Cruksfeld disease. The good thing is it is the meat-eaters like Turq and Willy, who will be most susceptable to the epidemics, and then the world will be a better place after the meat-heads go. OffWorld From the conspiracy point of view maybe somee of these flu bugs are designer fabrications and can't be blamed on the meat eaters.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Republican Agenda'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, babajii_99 babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nelsonriddle2001 nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, babajii_99 babajii_99@ wrote: Anti-Constitutional and want to establish a monied Monarchy.. Because they are: 'Of the Money, by the Money, and for the Money... Simple, huh? Money first, second and third...the people last on the list... If you have no money, to the Republicans, you just don't count...as a human being... Kind of demonic, don't ya think? r.g. As an opinion, I think the present administration trying to rewrite the first and second amendment is a problem. (amongst others) And, How are they trying to do that? Is that something you heard on Fox(CIA)News? R.g. No, it is various legislation like H.R. 45 and others that the anti second amendment majority in Washington are trying to put thru. With the latest supreme court pick, things have gotten even worse.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does This Story 'Ring' True?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: 'JFK's (CIA) Driver pulled the trigger!' http://community-2.webtv.net/Larry762/fontcolor3300FF/page4.html A few years ago, met someone in Sedona, AZ... Who said his father was a CIA guy, and he had been also... He invited me to see a âSecret CIAâ film he had, to show me: Of who really winged the murder shot, That killed President Kennedy, in broad day light. And why the limo slowed down, and why Jackie Kennedy tried to escape from the car... The whole thing, seemed to âDark and Spookyâ at the time, so I never took him up, on his offer... Anyway, I was curious to see, what he had told me, would be documented on the âInternetsâ... But, it makes sense, in that it seems this dark shadow government has been pulling the strings behind the scenes, since that day, in Dallas, Texas...(âBush Terror-toryâ) From that day on, we have been âAt Warâ with something, or other... First their was the Viet Nam war. The War on Poverty. The war on MLK The war on RFK The adoption of the âSouthern Stategyâ...war on liberals. The War on Drugs. The War on the Middle Classâ The War on People like John Lennon(Nixonâs hope to deport John) Reaganâs war on government, war on the poor, to scheister everything to the top, and expect it to âTrickle Down?â...what a joke he was! Hollywood movie actor, reading his lines, for you know who... Secret dealing with the Iranians, to sell weapons, sway the election, Contra/Drug running...flooding the market with cocaine. Big Biz Takeover of all media... Supreme court elects President, illegally. Cheney strengthens the âShadow Government, with secret dealings.. More and more manipulation of the Wall St. dealings... Strengthening the grip of the military/ corporate takeover of America. Outsourcing of jobs, for cheap overseas labor... Invading Iraq, for oil, and not worrying about the 100,000âs people killed, maimed and terrorized. As he, like his friends are psychopaths, or one having no conscious, soul-less. The creation of war vehicles, to be sold to the general public(Hummers) A liar President who manipulated the Corporate owned media, to do his bidding... The false price gouging of the oil companies, to $4.50 a gallon. The stealing of 700 billion from the US treasury, as their last act in office, after they bankrupted the country.. The war on Liberal and Progressives by the Corporate[CIA] ââChristian-Reich Wing Media, like Fox, and all the rest of the âBrainwashed Soul-less Zombiesâ... Add your own All this time I thought you were anti conspiracy theory wow.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Republican Agenda'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nelsonriddle2001 Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 5:31 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Republican Agenda' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , babajii_99 babajii_99@ wrote: Anti-Constitutional and want to establish a monied Monarchy.. Because they are: 'Of the Money, by the Money, and for the Money... Simple, huh? Money first, second and third...the people last on the list... If you have no money, to the Republicans, you just don't count...as a human being... Kind of demonic, don't ya think? r.g. As an opinion, I think the present administration trying to rewrite the first and second amendment is a problem. (amongst others) Might be if they were, but you're just expressing the usual right-wing habit of getting all wee-weed up (Obama's expression) over fabricated, unfounded fears. Being a bright lad, I expect you noticed that everyone in Washington is seriously anti second amendment. (name any of the top players) Do you think it is accidental?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Should you be forced to get the Swine Flu Vaccination?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: snip I've never had a flu shot and I think I only got the flu once bad enough to have to lay low and just read a book for a few days. Most years I don't get sick at all, and if I do get a mild something or other after the sleep deprivation and crowds of an Amma event, it's usually not bad enough that I can't work or do normal things. Yebbut...that you've been sick with flu only once before doesn't tell you anything about whether you'll get it again--especially the current swine flu, which is new and different, so people don't have antibodies to it. (And if you're able to work and do normal things, that probably isn't the flu anyway, of any type.) The real point is, though, that even if you're not worried about catching the flu yourself, you should get the shot; because if you do catch it, you can spread it to other people who haven't had the shot (even before you actually start having symptoms), and who may be more vulnerable to getting *very* sick if they catch it. You wouldn't just be protecting yourself, in other words. Yebbut? A friend who is a psychology professor and former TM'er himself says that TM'ers for some reason respond with yes, but. He therefore calls them yesbutts. ;-) Um, Yes, but... is a common phrase used in any discussion. Folks are beginning to wonder if Judy has Baxter stock. Oh, yeah, right. The flu spread argument is a straw dog. Google herd immunity. It's a well-established epidemiological principle. She's trying to make you feel guilty. Translation: Bhairitu feels guilty. Many people don't know about the herd immunity principle and don't realize that their personal decision about whether to get a flu shot doesn't affect just them. There's no reason to feel guilty about not knowing about herd immunity. But once you *do* know about it, you have a different perspective on whether to get a shot--again, because it isn't something that affects only you. Would be really odd if there was a flu epidemic but those who survived were the ones who didn't get the shot. Yes, that *would* be really odd. Reminds me of a science fiction story Me too. Do you usually make decisions about your health based on science fiction stories? where the rulers on this distant planet decided it was overpopulated and wanted to reduce the population so they said there was a big epidemic coming and told their populace to get vaccinated. But it was actually the vaccine that killed off the populace. I would guess that, in this case, there might be some odds that it might not be science fiction.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Republican Agenda'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nelsonriddle2001 nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, babajii_99 babajii_99@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nelsonriddle2001 nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: snip As an opinion, I think the present administration trying to rewrite the first and second amendment is a problem. (amongst others) And, How are they trying to do that? Is that something you heard on Fox(CIA)News? R.g. No, it is various legislation like H.R. 45 and others that the anti second amendment majority in Washington are trying to put thru. Um, there is no anti second amendment majority in Washington. The president,Pelosi, Fienstien, Shumer, Holder, Clinton, The recent supreme court pick--cant think of the rest now and, I believe, no second amendment proponent will be appointed for anything in the present administration.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Republican Agenda'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nelsonriddle2001 nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Um, there is no anti second amendment majority in Washington. The president,Pelosi, Fienstien, Shumer, Holder, Clinton, The recent supreme court pick--cant think of the rest now and, I believe, no second amendment proponent will be appointed for anything in the present administration. These are people who FAVOR STRICTER GUN CONTROL, not who oppose the Second Amendment. Two different things. snip,, Most of these people favor a total ban which I would think would qualify as anti second amendment. I guess we will find out soon enough and, I hope you are right.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Willytex is on Medicare, so is Shemp.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote: I'm enrolled in the government plan, almost everyone around here is, since it's an automatic payroll deduction. But I'm on an employee group plan provided by my employer. I make a small co-pay, but I'm not sick, so I don't use the plan very much. You can't use both at the same time. Bhairitu wrote: I guess that makes you a hypocrite or at least a very selfish person. You're saying I've got mine, but I don't want anyone else to have it. You still don't seem to get it - we want to expand the Medicare to cover everyone AND bring down the cost of health care. Everybody is on the government plan, - there's no opt-out, it's an automatic payroll deduction. When you reach your full retirement age, you get Medicare. Hi Will, Wouldn't this end up like SS where there are less people working as a proportion of those collecting? Wouldn' this plan hinge on full employment which is rare? I would think that the people who don't work would be a problem. It would be nice if everyone could be taken care of- hope it could work out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Republican Agenda'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, babajii_99 babajii...@... wrote: Anti-Constitutional and want to establish a monied Monarchy.. Because they are: 'Of the Money, by the Money, and for the Money... Simple, huh? Money first, second and third...the people last on the list... If you have no money, to the Republicans, you just don't count...as a human being... Kind of demonic, don't ya think? r.g. As an opinion, I think the present administration trying to rewrite the first and second amendment is a problem. (amongst others)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Should you be forced to get the Swine Flu Vaccination?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Don't be ridiculous. It is not about me being macho but about putting things in my body I don't want. Do you let the government just put whatever they want in your body? You tell me, Don't be ridiculous, and then you ask an inane question like that?? If the government has something that will make it less likely that I'll get the flu and thus less likely that I'll pass it on to somebody else, I'll INSIST that the government put it in my body. snip The vaccine won't be tested enough on humans and we won't know the long range effects. You really trust Big Pharma? Here's what happened in 1976 (60 Minutes report): The big problem in 1976 was that the gummint jumped the gun and started mass immunizations before it was clear they were needed, not that there was something horribly wrong with the vaccine. (There was *far* less evidence of a pandemic then than there is now.) There was an increased risk of Guillain-Barre with the vaccine, but the disease is so rare in the first place that it didn't amount to a huge threat. If the flu had turned out to be as bad as was initially feared, it would have far outweighed the danger of G-B. The tragedy is that the vaccine wasn't needed in the first place. snip,, We don't know yet if it's going to mutate into something more virulent (i.e., that makes people sicker) this fall. There's a good chance it will. If it does, and people don't get their shots, we'll be in big trouble. If there is a mutated version and, given the lead time to make new shots available, will the present program be of much help? Is it possible that it might be a designer virus to sell cures for like cars that dont last too long and, the answer is more new cars.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: It was good enough for Senators Obama and Biden...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 11:55 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: It was good enough for Senators Obama and Biden... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I posted it in all sincerity and signed the petition myself (for what it's worth). I'm very sorry about what happened to your niece and I'm afraid I don't have answers to the important questions you asked. It's hard for me to imagine being the victim of such violence. I could give you philosophical musings about karma, free will, etc., but we just make ourselves feel good with those things. You're right. We do live in a sick society. You and I live in pockets of relative sanity, but far too many people have been going through hell for far too long. I could argue that men have been the victims of their fair share of violence too, mostly as soldiers, but then men have been primarily responsible for starting the wars (although Condi probably played a significant part in starting the last one). So I can only give you platitudes and sympathy and my sincere hopes that we are indeed shifting into a more enlightened age. Let's each individually continue to contribute all we can to facilitating that shift, and be careful not to do anything to impede it. Thanks, Rick. I don't know if I see a moral equivalency between killing soldiers and raping women. Soldiers enlist and at least have a fighting chance. In countries blown to bits by war, chaos is a way of life and raping women is a sport. Sick, indeed. I'll see you at Lobe sack's town hall. Good point. One observation, perhaps invalid, is that women enlist in relationships with the wrong guys, just as soldiers are often duped into enlisting for reasons other than those for which the war is actually being fought. Both go through hell as a consequence. This goes to my earlier question. Is it reasonable to ask: Was my niece asking for it? Was she provoking it? The blame always seems to be on the woman. Choose a better partner. Shut up and don't talk back. What did you do to piss him off? Geez, why is it so difficult to say misogyny is wrong and men are the perpetrators of violence against women instead of blaming the women? Seems there are many factors leading up to the present levels of profound ignorance we see. From a creationist point of view it should be noted that the women were the final outstanding work and, should be treated as such. From the evolutionary point of view it should be noted that without the women, humanity would cease to exist after one generation. I guess it must be an older pov,maybe chauvinist?,that women should be protected and cared for. The present state of affairs is indeed sad.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: It was good enough for Senators Obama and Biden...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Hey Raunch, do I get brownie points for posting this? Rick, thanks for posting the Amnesty International petition. It's one the few organizations I regularly donate to. I would hope that you posted it as a person of conscience and not as the disingenuous person posing in your comment. Violence against women is a serious business. I wasn't going to write about this, but your post is just a reminder of what my family has been dealing with the past few days. My brother's daughter, 28 years-old, is the mother of three boys by three different men. The first boy is 12 his father is African American. The second boy is 6 his father is also African American. The third boy is 1 his father is a Lebanese American Muslim. Last Friday night, father number three, choked, raped and sodomized my niece. She spent two days in the hospital recovering from injuries. All I can feel is overwhelming sadness for her and unbelievable rage washing over my heart like hot ice. I don't dwell on it but now that I'm talking about it, I'm feeling the rawness of it all. Everyone experiences family loss and tragedy. I'm no different from anyone else in that respect. I don't expect pity or reproach for telling this story. It just is what it is, another example of tragic everyday violence against women. When images come to my awareness of the rapist boyfriend holding my precious niece against her will, forcing himself on her while she screams and his baby cries for her, I want to claw his face to shreds and kill the fucker with my bare hands. He's lucky he's in jail. My brother feels the same way as I do. I worry he really would beat the shit out of this guy and probably end up in jail himself. I have a very low tolerance for drama in my personal relationships. Life is good. My niece and the other hand, has had one dramatic event in her life after another, living with a series of jackass boyfriends who beat her up. Now that it has come to this, extreme violence bordering on homicide is it reasonable to ask: Was she asking for it? What did she do or say to provoke him? Did they have too much to drink? Why does she always pick violent men? Why doesn't she have more self respect? What kind of a mother would allow her child to live in a violent home? The onus is always on the woman. Why is that? I'm interested to hear what others think. I comfort my mother and pray for my brother. Violence against women isn't so far away. It's in our homes, quietly hidden in families too afraid or ashamed to tell anyone about it. I'm talking and it's damn painful. I don't have the any answers for my niece, but I do have a responsibility to speak on her behalf and tell her story, here and now just to see if I'm alone in the echo chamber or resonating with someone out there I don't know. Women of courage are not silent. Hillary was the first person to say, women's rights are human rights. It was such an obvious statement to me, but it was considered bold and controversial in China and the world received it as if it was an amazing revelation. It's a damn sick society we live in. It's sick that we have to twist Congress' arm just to do the right thing and support the International Violence against Women Act. What say you? Hi RD, sorry to hear such a story and, wish there was something I could do to help. Not many people these days have had good examples of how a well functioning family unit operates and so, often have no background to make good decisions on their own. Family unit breakdown endangers all of society and, if one read all the conspiracy theories about it, you might think the whole problem was set in motion quite a few years back. I am saddened also... N.
