[FairfieldLife] MUM's confusing guide to higher consciousness unraveled....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The seven states of consciousness are identified, according to the MUM style guide, as: http://resources.mum.edu/manuals/styleguide.pdf Turiya Chetanå (Transcendental Consciousness) Turiyåtit Chetanå (Cosmic Consciousness) Bhagavad Chetanå (God Consciousness) Bråhmi Chetanå (Unity Consciousness) Seems to me that these terms should be traceable to one or more sanskrit sources. Turiya, for instance, is found in one of the Upanishads. Brahmi Chetana or Brahman Consciousness, Maharishi himself refers to as *Cosmic Consciousness* in Love and God! Let me attempt to remove the confusion, when MMY talks about CC, if it's on the level of the individual he means simply Self-Realization or soul/jiva realization. When he speaks of Bråhmi Chetanå (Unity) then he is *still* speaking of CC, but at the level of Brahman, get it? Remember Jiva and Brahman are different terms signifying different degrees and quality of the one Cosmic Being... MMY repeatedly refers to Brahman as the state of Cosmic Consciousness which is consistent terminology with other groups. (See Gita CH V, vs21 ChII vs 72). It's confusing because the common nomenclature of Cosmic Consciousness as the final and highest state of consciousness, is correct. But MMY uses CC and UC interchangably and hence the confusion. CC essentially is what MMY says it is in Love and God, Purnam adah and Purnam idam. (That Unmanifested Brahman is perfect and This Manifested Brahman is also perfect.) This is COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS, the highest! Just remember, TC or CC, according to MMY is simply Brahman on the level of the individual (jiva or soul) and therefore distinct in quality and degree from Brahman chaitanya. See Gita VI vs3.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM's confusing guide to higher consciousness unraveled....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This god consciousness is pretty much where Dzogchen begins. But because it begins without mind, one simply cannot reify any mental elaboration and therefore no philosophy will ever reach such cognition. It can be intellectually understood, but only realized on the level of consciousness!
[FairfieldLife] No man cometh unto the Father (Brahman) except thru me....
As Jesus, the Christed one, so well put it, the Christ in him was one with the Absolute, (CC) and like Jesus we must realize 'Christ' in us (as God Consciousness, personal) BEFORE we can become one with the Father, Brahman or impersonal God. Christ Chaitanya (consciousness) is awareness of the personal God IN creation (manifest). Christ means simply 'annointed one', so we must become Christed like Jesus before we can reach Cosmic Consciousness or oneness (Unity) with the Father. God consciousness is awareness of the universal Soul of Creation, it is essentially formless consciousness (chaitanya), it can take ANY form! Unity or CC is awareness of Brahman beyond creation and ultimately as both, the manifest God AND the unmanifest God together, this teaching (i.e. Jesus) is entirely missing from Maharishi's TMorg.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Masterbation and Yoga..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some masturbation is worship at some of the greatest temples Doubtful.procreation of Shiva/Shakti more probable!
[FairfieldLife] Masterbation and Yoga...(Sorry Judy, men only!)
The highest and best use of the sexual energy is procreation; whether that be spiritual procreation (higher consciousness) by conservation of the shakti (sex) force, or material procreation for the purpose of children. The next outcome, masterbation, in order to release congestion, is the lesser of two evils, though still unfortunate. And the last and worst use of the sex force is for indulging sexual fantasies. In particular meditators should avoid this as the sexual shakti force is so much better used in the service of unfolding higher consciousness and soul powerfor what it's worth! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Masterbation and Yoga...(Sorry Judy, men only!)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rules on sex were probably made during times of famine by kings or priests trying to keep the population down. There is an ayurvedic connection in that excessive masterbation can make one vata. It is the vata imbalance that will impede spiritual development. BTW, women masterbate too. :) You're not suggesting...no, that, well, you know who, masterbates are you?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Masterbation and Yoga...(Sorry Judy, men only!)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for some people shakti is never quiet and jacking off is not even a pause in evolution If you say so..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, was Guru Dev in CC or GC or UC???? Acording to MMY-CC!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: **snip** True, in man, it is limited in its expression, (The silence which is experienced in cosmic consciousness, and which separates the Self from activity, is on an *infinitely* smaller scale, for it is on the level of individual existence, Gita CHVI vs3) It that supposed to be a *translation* of Giitaa VI verse 3? aarurukSor muner yogaM karma kaaraNam ucyate yogaaruuDhasya tasyaiva shamaH kaaraNam ucyate IMO, Maharishi's ( Vernon Katz's?) translation is as accurate as it can get. That 'was' from MMY's Bhagavad Gita...verbatum!
[FairfieldLife] MMY's race to impose 'Natural Law' ahead of 'Sharia Law'..
And how will it be done? Spread neo-hinduism incorporating Yoga-lite (i.e. Mantra Yoga) on modernity. The less mentioned about God the better, then when this is established and modernity has tasted a little bliss, full blown hinduism can hold sway. So much for 'freedom' and 'democracy' (MMY-damn democracy!)but hey, the world will be better off in the endif he can pull it off! The MMY won't have to hold back and he can teach true 'Sanatana Dharma' the eternal Religion of the Vedas! Let's hope Osama don't beat him to the punch, I'd say it's a toss up at this point
[FairfieldLife] Hey, was Guru Dev in CC or GC or UC???? Acording to MMY-CC!
In Love and God MMY proclaims Guru Dev had reached the Cosmic Consciousness'the perfect expression of 'Purnamadah purnamidam'. Now in the Gita he says CC is merely the basis of GC which leads to UC, huh??? You mean Guru Dev was just in CC...go figure! He also states that Brahmi-sthiti is the state of Brahman or Cosmic Consciousness in the Gita HB page369. Ou vey..so is Brahman CC, UC or both? Remember Guru Dev was in CC according to MMY and he realized the fullness of Brahman in the Absolute and Relative and MMY calls this CC.
[FairfieldLife] Is MMY afraid of using the word 'Soul' .......
...that would explain his concept of 'Self-Realization' now wouldn't it, but if you use the word Soul, yikes that smarts of Religion...can't do! So let's just call it CC. Gettin' the picture??? CC is Self Realization or realization of Spirit or Brahman in relation to your SELF or SOUL! (Limited to your reflection as the individual Soul) GC is realization of the SOUL of the UNIVERSE (formless, appearing as any form dear to your heart)as the PERSONAL God Limited to creation. and UC is realization of I am that, thou art that, and all of this is nothing but that. (Unlimited) It's all a progressive expansion of consciousness, you don't realize Brahman, (UC) and then come back and realize GC, that's just nonsense.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, was Guru Dev in CC or GC or UC???? Acording to MMY-CC!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 16, 2007, at 3:04 PM, wmurphy77 wrote: In Love and God MMY proclaims Guru Dev had reached the Cosmic Consciousness'the perfect expression of 'Purnamadah purnamidam'. Now in the Gita he says CC is merely the basis of GC which leads to UC, huh??? You mean Guru Dev was just in CC...go figure! Yeah I'd heard him described in older writings as a jivan-mukta IIRC, i.e. in CC. As stated in the Gita, the Master (Guru Dev) had reached the Highest State of Brahmi-sthiti, or COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS. All that other jargon is tortured logic by MMY, it's there, but very confusing. A Jivan-Mukti would be a Self-Realized Soul..not yet cosmic or MMY's CC.
[FairfieldLife] MMY's attempt to teach 'Sanatana Dharma' , the eternal Religion of the Vedas,
without mentioning the word Religion.hey, if you cut the head off a dog, IT'S STILL A DOG! Personally I'm fine with TM being taught as a Religion, although, I may have never started...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, was Guru Dev in CC or GC or UC???? Acording to MMY-CC!
Thanks Marek for a really fine reply!! The real significence of his Bhagavad Gita is that Awareness in the state of Being alone makes the whole field of devotion real, this is significent! (page 7 Preface) The state of Being he is referring to is *Self-Realization* (or realization of the soul as created by the creator)not Cosmic Consciousness; CC (or UC) being the culmination of devotion! He is very confusing sometimes expecially when he is trying to be clever in spreading TM. Half of the time you don't know if he is refering to Brahman in relation to 'self-awareness' or 'universal awareness'. Hope this helps. BillyG. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jan 16, 2007, at 3:04 PM, wmurphy77 wrote: In Love and God MMY proclaims Guru Dev had reached the Cosmic Consciousness'the perfect expression of 'Purnamadah purnamidam'. Now in the Gita he says CC is merely the basis of GC which leads to UC, huh??? You mean Guru Dev was just in CC...go figure! Yeah I'd heard him described in older writings as a jivan-mukta IIRC, i.e. in CC. **end** Maharishi's articulation of states of enlightenment definitely seems to have evolved over time; at first he spoke only of Cosmic Consciousness (which was offered as the big E -- the be all and end all of human evolution), and only later spoke of God Consciousness, then Unity, and later Brahman Consciousness. Whether that progression followed his own interior evolution or the arc in the evolution of the teaching (or both) would be impossible to ever tease out since Maharishi (almost?) never speaks in terms of his own experience. It's telling, though, that his description of his evolution is solely in terms of his attunement to Guru Dev. He describes it as not even knowing he was living and that there was such congruency between him and Guru Dev that it wasn't as if 'he' existed as separate from Guru Dev. I've always considered that his path to enlightenment, just as Trotaka was enlightened by his devotion to Adi Shri Shankaracharya. And, of course, Maharishi has made that same comparison. But partly because of that, what's always struck me as peculiar is that Maharishi's programs and organizations are so devoid of bhakti. With the exception of him teaching us the guru puja to Guru Dev (now somewhat morphed -- at least in emphasis -- to the Holy Tradition), Maharishi's teaching have always been rather dry and academic, even more so the last couple of decades. His circular expositions of silence, and silence into silence, and silence out of silence, etc., etc., just have no juice for me. And they don't effectively speak to my experience, either. It mostly seems to be dry intellectualization with no ground either in heart or the experience along my path. Not to mention all the scientific and pseudo-scientific discussions. And that seems to be in contradistinction to what Guru Dev taught and lived. If you go to Paul Mason's website on Guru Dev you learn that Guru Dev taught primarily (at least to the masses) in terms of God and the heart. You can listen to Guru Dev sing bhajans and the biographies all point out that he continued to practice devotionals throughout his life. Anyone ever have any experience with Maharishi doing any devotional exercises (besides puja to Guru Dev)? This isn't going anywhere; the above two posts just prompted the rambling. Marek
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's race to impose 'Natural Law' ahead of 'Sharia Law'..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It might be wise to understand that Vedic law is the first law which supported the democracy of Harappa. And it was a democracy?...call MMY immediately!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, was Guru Dev in CC or GC or UC???? Acording to MMY-CC!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, this is the stuff that FFL was made for, right? The field of pure existence -- Being -- *is* the Self. Actually, the Self is beyond both existence and non-existence. It is so rock-solid and complete that it doesn't permit the possibility of anything but itself and therefore no qualifiers can ever reference it. It is absolutely exclusionary of anything and everything. Nothing is except That. Everything appears to exist because of That. So the realization of the Self does seem to encompass what Maharishi refers to as Cosmic Consciousness as well as Brahman. True, in man, it is limited in its expression, (The silence which is experienced in cosmic consciousness, and which separates the Self from activity, is on an *infinitely* smaller scale, for it is on the level of individual existence, Gita CHVI vs3) Self Realization is not the realization of a limited isolate or created soul. The Self is never created. The Self is uncreated, One, pure and immovable. The reflection of that in the notion of a nervous system causes the notion of a jiva, or soul, to appear. Jiva is the created soul; but it's just a notion of individuality and separateness; it isn't a reality, it's an appearance. It never was created. Yes, but in order to speak of it we must draw distinctions, from the level of Unity or Brahman Consciousness UC all is one. Maharishi's exposition is frequently muddled by his ambition to sell his product. That's a shame. The clearest, cleanest articulation (for me) is Nisargadatta's. He illuminates everything that I learned from Maharishi but hadn't realized yet. What really cleared it up for me was PYogananda's Bhagavad Gita, I thought I had read the Gita (MMY's) no way, Yogananda's was far superior. BillyG.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, was Guru Dev in CC or GC or UC???? Acording to MMY-CC!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The seven states of consciousness are identified, according to the MUM style guide, as: http://resources.mum.edu/manuals/styleguide.pdf Turiya Chetanå (Transcendental Consciousness) Turiyåtit Chetanå (Cosmic Consciousness) Bhagavad Chetanå (God Consciousness) Bråhmi Chetanå (Unity Consciousness) Seems to me that these terms should be traceable to one or more sanskrit sources. Turiya, for instance, is found in one of the Upanishads. This would be consistent with Paramahansa Yogananda and others but the enlish translation is a little confusing as some groups use CC for UC, but the *principle* is the same! Basically...Self Realization, then God Realization and then Unity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, was Guru Dev in CC or GC or UC???? Acording to MMY-CC!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 16, 2007, at 5:26 PM, sparaig wrote: The seven states of consciousness are identified, according to the MUM style guide, as: http://resources.mum.edu/manuals/styleguide.pdf Turiya Chetanå (Transcendental Consciousness) Turiyåtit Chetanå (Cosmic Consciousness) Bhagavad Chetanå (God Consciousness) Bråhmi Chetanå (Unity Consciousness) Seems to me that these terms should be traceable to one or more sanskrit sources. Turiya, for instance, is found in one of the Upanishads. Indeed they are.: the commentaries of the Badarayana sutras. I traced this years ago after I heard the first mention. OK, let's just assume for simplicity sake Guru Dev was in UC and MMY just calls everything Cosmic Consciousness, Thanks! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, was Guru Dev in CC or GC or UC???? Acording to MMY-CC!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Non sequitur. There's no mention nor any implication in my above statement that is connected to your response. Turiyatita or jivan- mukti are the traditional words for CC. It's well-known in what style of literature these are used. Written accounts only mention him as a jivan-mukti, but the truth is, there is more to life than the written word. We really, at this late date don't have any clue about a man not even one of us has ever met. But also worrying about something so long gone is pathetic. Learn what there is to learn and move on. But just to stir the pot he was known for a couple of siddhis: spontaneously lighting ritual fires and materialization of objects. The clincher is the last one. Can you guess what state of consciousness one would have to be in to materialize sacred objects? (hint: it ain't CC :-)). Actually it is more simply stated as that between a thimble full of water representing Self Realization (CC according to MMY, sometimes), A picture full of water representing GC (realization of the personal formless 'consciousness' of the personal God IN creation) And Unity or UC, represented by a broken picture of water, realization of the Universal oneness of Brahman as manifest and unmanifest. :-) Just like water is the same regardless of the container, so Brahman is essentially the same regardless of the form it is expressed thru...(my analogy).
[FairfieldLife] Why Patanjali's eight limbs are fundamental to Yoga..even with MMY!
Number one: Yama, which includes the below, Truthfulness Non-violence Non-covetousness Celibacy Non-acceptance of others possessions. If you're waiting for limb number 8, Samadhi, to solve all of your problems, think again! It is only thru samadhi that one is empowered to practice the other limbs most effectively. (archer analogy) All the other limbs must be practiced however!! As MMY says in the Bhagavad Gita pg363 HB..With the continuous practice of all these limbs, or means, simultaneously, the state of Yoga grows simultaneously in all eight spheres of life, eventually to become permanent. So if you've taylored your life around waiting for TM to kick in (hungry dog analogy)you're gonna be waiting a long timeand I only mentioned Patanjali's first limb!! Are you practicing Patanjali's other limbs of Yoga as recommended by MMY himself in his Bhagavad Gita?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, was Guru Dev in CC or GC or UC???? Acording to MMY-CC!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jan 16, 2007, at 5:50 PM, wmurphy77 wrote: Indeed they are.: the commentaries of the Badarayana sutras. I traced this years ago after I heard the first mention. OK, let's just assume for simplicity sake Guru Dev was in UC and MMY just calls everything Cosmic Consciousness, Thanks! :-) Non sequitur. There's no mention nor any implication in my above statement that is connected to your response. Turiyatita or jivan- mukti are the traditional words for CC. It's well-known in what style of literature these are used. Written accounts only mention him as a jivan-mukti, but the truth is, there is more to life than the written word. We really, at this late date don't have any clue about a man not even one of us has ever met. But also worrying about something so long gone is pathetic. Learn what there is to learn and move on. But just to stir the pot he was known for a couple of siddhis: spontaneously lighting ritual fires and materialization of objects. The clincher is the last one. Can you guess what state of consciousness one would have to be in to materialize sacred objects? (hint: it ain't CC :-)). So, which is higher, someone in temporary UC, or a jivan-mukta? A Jivan-mukta (freed while living) may still have some karma, but essentially is freed from Reincarnation (on earth), full Unity Consciousness is only possible after MahaSamadhi, the final exit from the three physical casings; physical body, astral body, and causal body. If he retains his body after achieving Nirvikalpa Samadhi, (inner and outer fullness) he is considered to be in the highest Jivan-mukta state. To the best of my knowledge...maybe Vaj knows better.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Patanjali's eight limbs are fundamental to Yoga..even with MMY!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: Number one: Yama, which includes the below, Truthfulness Non-violence Non-covetousness Celibacy Non-acceptance of others possessions. If you're waiting for limb number 8, Samadhi, to solve all of your problems, think again! It is only thru samadhi that one is empowered to practice the other limbs most effectively. (archer analogy) All the other limbs must be practiced however!! As MMY says in the Bhagavad Gita pg363 HB..With the continuous practice of all these limbs, or means, simultaneously, the state of Yoga grows simultaneously in all eight spheres of life, eventually to become permanent. So if you've taylored your life around waiting for TM to kick in (hungry dog analogy)you're gonna be waiting a long timeand I only mentioned Patanjali's first limb!! Are you practicing Patanjali's other limbs of Yoga as recommended by MMY himself in his Bhagavad Gita? Are you practicing the religion and other cultural traditions you learned at your mother's knee? No...actually I got waylayed by MMY, I'm just picking up the pieces now!! (Not completely his fault either, got some good stuff too!) I'm just beginning to practice true Yoga including all Patanjali's limbs. Still practice TM too!
[FairfieldLife] New Charlie website....with written material by Charlie.
http://www.maharishiphotos.com/index.html May have already been posted heregood written lectures by Charlie.
[FairfieldLife] Charlie lecture on 'Faith'....
Faith (9/18/81) Faith is one thing that is most needed in this life and something that so many have so little of. It generally follows that persons who have a strong character have strong faith and those of a weak character have very little faith in anything. In the Scriptures it is said, Ye of little faith. Faith is a strong conviction in something when little proof is readily available. As little children we are filled with faith. But, as we grow older we lose much of this due to experiences that have destroyed our faith in anything we cannot cognize with our physical senses. It is a sad situation that we are not able to sustain our faith as we go along in life. If we are faithful or filled with faith most of those we gravitate to are also filled with faith and if we are of little faith most of our associates will be of the same nature and they will strengthen our conviction that all people are faithless. As adults faith is something we should acquire and more so as we grow older in life. We should have an unshakeable faith in God, as an example, and if we do we will gain strength as we go along. If we have none we will grow weaker as we go along life's path. Faith in God will impart the strength and energy of God to us and we will continue to grow in strength and in character. Religion for many ages has become a path of faith because the keys to most religions have become lost and we have not understood the word that has been imparted to us. So those of religion have had to fall back on an unfolding revealing experience as they continue in life. Faith should become the living word. If we can acquire the experience of God in our daily life it will become the living word. Very little faith is needed if we are able to experience God because fact replaces faith. We can then speak from our experience and no longer have to muster up faith in order to maintain a firm conviction of God. However, for at least two thousand years faith and the mystery schools have been the only light humanity in the West has had to carry them along on a very dark path. Faith is the one thing, when it is lacking, that leaves humanity with a hopeless outlook on almost everything. Yet on the other hand it is the one thing that has inspired those who have it to rise to the heights. For it is the one thing that is capable of moving mountains. Also where one has a strong faith in God he also has a strong faith in himself. In order to accomplish almost anything in life we must have the faith of our own convictions. Often we place our faith in the wrong person or the wrong thing and we become very disillusioned, yet this is the part of life where we learn from our experiences and each time we place our faith in the wrong thing we learn a valuable lesson and this is good. It was a lesson we needed to learn. Some people place all their faith in material wealth and then when it is carried away by one misfortune or another they are devastated and have nothing to fall back on, while others having their faith anchored in God find this is a rock that can withstand any storm of life. As Transcendental Meditators we are rapidly exchanging faith for experience. We are gaining wisdom. We are beginning to know ourselves and what we know about ourselves is wisdom; when we know about ourselves we also know about God. What it really means is that we experience ourselves and in so doing we experience God. Therefore, we are in touch with total reality and very little faith is required. However, for the masses who have no awareness of the facts of life and their own destiny, faith becomes a necessity for them. People without faith will perish... ...Today the curtain is being lifted and many are coming to the West from the East and they are giving out wisdom that the whole world can benefit from. Slowly experience of God is replacing faith in God. What is now needed is the faith to continue to follow the Path of Wisdom one has been placed on even when the lower self tries to get one to forsake the path so it will not have to surrender to the higher Self... The mind is so constructed that when you show it a way to greater happiness and one begins to experience Bliss not too much faith is needed. However, faith can still move the mountains and continued faith, when it is required by one on the Path of Liberation, will still be the means to carry that one to Eternal Liberation. Faith is always that something that will carry us forward in the face of darkness and doubt. If a mustard seed has faith, a human should be the embodiment of faith. God has always had loving faith in us. So in turn, we should also have total faith in Him. And when we do, we will have faith in our own destiny. Faith is the light in this dark world and we are the ones in these dark days on Earth that have been chosen to keep the light burning and cause it to shine brighter until no shadow remains and all will clearly see and again walk and talk with God. Then, faith will have at long
[FairfieldLife] Chronic neck pain due to TM....
One of the dangerous side effects of TM is chronic neck pain if not handled properly. When during TM if you fall asleep sitting, the head will fall towards the chest, *this is a very dangerous situation*. Over time if the head is not supported by a neck pillow or brace of some kind you will develope chronic neck pain!! MMY has mentioned this verbally in one of his lectures but to my knowledge it is still NOT in the checking notes which should be imperative it be there! I am sure many have suffered this unexpected side effect of TM.
[FairfieldLife] MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
Science of Being Art of Living page 137 hb. When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. You gotta be kiddin' right!!! And this is JUSTICE, I just seriously doubt it! Does anybody know of anyone else besides MMY that teaches this (what I think) nonsense? Or is MMY, alone in this respect? I read a lot of books on the subject but this takes the cake!
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: Science of Being Art of Living page 137 hb. When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. You gotta be kiddin' right!!! And this is JUSTICE, I just seriously doubt it! Does anybody know of anyone else besides MMY that teaches this (what I think) nonsense? Or is MMY, alone in this respect? I read a lot of books on the subject but this takes the cake! Sure explains the Uncles in India thang though, doesn't it. He's compensating them in advance. :-) Ha, hashame, shame! How so?
[FairfieldLife] After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
after reading Paramahansa Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita (all 18 chapters). MMY's terminology is very confusing and conflates all levels of consciousness so many times you don't know if you're coming or going! Although the principles are there the process of getting there is *painfull* to say the least! And what did Christ mean when he said, No man cometh onto the Father except thru me...Hummm.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: Science of Being Art of Living page 137 hb. When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. You gotta be kiddin' right!!! And this is JUSTICE, I just seriously doubt it! Also (see other post), (although I think the whole concept is bound up in linear earthbound thought patterns) what is it that you think is not justice? When Maharishi says the man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, surely he means that the soul is not bound to even come back to the world, so what is wrong with the concept that his good karma would go back to his bloodline. The bloodline must have some significance in cosmic reality, not just humpity bumpity, squirty squirty (as in MDIXON's case). Surely you would hope your children and grandchildren would benefit from your spiritual growth. However, I really think the whole concept is metaphorical created by humans to satisy the cosmic story in their minds. Life is just a play being re-played for fun, so it needs a context that can portray the plot for any given culture, (on Earth, or on another planet?). In other words, in the context of the quote you gave, what happens to the liberated man whose most powerful concept is: The World is My Family ? OffWorld Hey, why should I pay for your mistakes? Family yes, responsible for your foiblesI think not!
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: after reading Paramahansa Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita (all 18 chapters). MMY's terminology is very confusing and conflates all levels of consciousness so many times you don't know if you're coming or going! Although the principles are there the process of getting there is *painfull* to say the least! And what did Christ mean when he said, No man cometh onto the Father except thru me...Hummm. The me of The Christ is the Kingdom of heaven within, or transcendence. Basic stuff really. The me of Christ is the personal God immanent in Creation like Brahma the creator...not Brahman.
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: after reading Paramahansa Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita (all 18 chapters). MMY's terminology is very confusing and conflates all levels of consciousness so many times you don't know if you're coming or going! Speak for yourself. Although the principles are there the process of getting there is *painfull* to say the least! And what did Christ mean when he said, No man cometh onto the Father except thru me...Hummm. IF ...Christ existed, he obviously means that the Cosmic Big Self that I am living, walking, and breathing, (Pure Consciousness), is the source, course, and goal of all life, therefore, only through that which I am (Tat Svam Asvi - or whatever that phrase is), I am the Cosmic Self, the Source, and only through that will you come to the Source of existence (the Father). Christ also said: Before Abraham was, I AM (at least in the versions I have read, but I have not read the most ancient texts direct translations for a long time) OffWorld Nope, you're talking about Brahman! The Christ or 'Christos' is the formless Being (which can take any form)IN creation, the creator as assumed in the form Brahma! *Brahman* is the formless Absolute beyond creation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: Science of Being Art of Living page 137 hb. When a man is liberated and his individuality has merged into cosmic existence, then the influence of his past karma will be received by his son or grandson *or* by those who have blood affinity with him. You gotta be kiddin' right!!! And this is JUSTICE, I just seriously doubt it! Does anybody know of anyone else besides MMY that teaches this (what I think) nonsense? Or is MMY, alone in this respect? I read a lot of books on the subject but this takes the cake! Er, karma is a matter of physical and manmade law. Certainly, for the manmade part, a man's debts are inherited by his children, to some extent. What is so outrageous about assuming that more subtle debts are also inherited by his children? The sins of the father are visited upon the sons, yay unto the 10th generation... or something like that. Jewish reincarnation theory certainly seemed to imply the same kind of thing. Good argument.although does that seem fair to you? Also, MMY never said to some extent!
[FairfieldLife] MMY's *withches brew* of consciousness!
Hey, it's all transcendental, right! Most TM'er are mixed up when it comes to understanding the differentations of CC, GC and UC. MMY explains it so poorly that anybody who reads the Gita is sure to be confused. Here, I'll unravel it for you! CC is Self Realization, realization of your Soul! Not Brahman! GC is Realization of YOUR greater Soul, God the creator Brahma or the fromless 'Christ' IN creation. UC is realization of Brahman the Being beyond and IN creation as his personal God Brahma. Get it? Each level is more expanded than the previous like circles within circles. I feel your pain! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps you are mixing up the consept of Jesus and The Christ ? Jesus was the man, Christ is the Universal Soul, the only begotten of the Father, the Father being Brahman. We all have the power to become Christ (formless essence of the Solar System)where as there will only be one Jesus or John, etc. Christ consciousness is the God Consciousness of MMY by another name, same principle. snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're an idiot. snip OffWorld I see ad hominum attacks didn't take long to surface, I feel right at home, cracker anybody?
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's 'goofy'? idea on karma!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're an idiot. In that quote you quoted, Maharishi's comment only referred to the good karma that would come to your children when you are liberated and merge with the Cosmic. I tried to direct your mind to that fact in my last post , but intelligent posts are wasted on your scattered- brain. OffWorld So now I'm twice the idiot!?! Oh well, who cares! BTW, please tell me where you find it mentioned MMY only meant *good* karma?
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: You're an idiot. snip OffWorld I see ad hominum attacks didn't take long to surface, I feel right at home, cracker anybody? Incorrect, it was a conclusion based on reasoning. You have yet to prove it otherwise. Do you really think that someone who is liberated and merged with the cosmic existence has bad karma associated with them. You completely went off on the wrong track from the start and I tried to help you out twice, but your mind was jumping around like a crackerjack. So I merely made a rational conclusion based on observation. You took it personally that I called you an idiot, when it was merely an example of pure unbiased scientific observation. You know, like saying, the grass is green, that sort of conclusion. OffWorld If MMY had stated only GOOD karma is visited upon his relatives I would agree, he did not state that however, that is your assumption and for you to proveyes? Surely tat walla baba had some kind of bad karma, why would he have been shot to death.. Although your point is interesting in that, can one achieve full realization and still have bad karma...or any karma?
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to beat your wife under Islamic law.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FOR MUSLIM READERS OF FFL: Go to youtube.com and put in the words islam and wife in the search engine and you'll get some wonderful pointers on how to beat your wife according to the Koran. I guess Paul McCartney should have read up on this before he hit Heather... Hey, what harm can come from 10 blows with a toothpick? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Nirvikalpa Samadhi...the highest samadhi!
OM..purnam adah, purnam idam, (inner and outer fullness). In the book Love and God, (page 5)MMY relates that Guru Dev is in the highestSahaja-samadhi. This IS the God Consciousness referred to by MMY. When your *Samadhi* experience *embodies* the fullness of the relative... Eureka, you have reached the fulfillment of the first glimpse of transcendental pure consciousness or Savikalpa Samadhi (temporay Samadhi,Gita CHIV vs42). It is important to note that 'God Consciousness' referred to by MMY in his Bhagavad Gita is NOT a 'higher' state of consciousness but the *fulfillment* of Cosmic Consciousness!! The operative word here being *fulfillment*! I, personally have always been confused about this sequential development, confusing GC with a state above CC which is a mistake, it is merely the fulfillment of CC! The highest state of consciousness a Yogi can obtain is Cosmic Consciousness! Purnam adah, purnam idam! JGD P.S Though there are states beyond CC, MMY does not speak of them, per se!.he perhaps refers to them in the catch all phrase *Unity*. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] MMY refering to Guru Dev's state of consciousness....
Love and God, page 8, Soon he arrived at the Heatless Smokeless Effulgence of the Self and realized the Divine Truth, the *Cosmic Consciousness*, the *Ultimate Supreme Reality*, Sat Chit Anandam, the Nirvana. MMY Beyond Nirvana there is a term Buddhists use called the Maha Para Nirvana that is, the great beyond Nirvana which is *unknowable* by mere human beings, that is why when a Yogi takes his final MahaSamadhi (Conscious exit from the body) he reaches this state of the great 'Maha Para Nirvana'...a Yogi still in the body *cannot* sustain these unknowable (to us) states and still maintain the physical body! For human beings the highest state of consciousness IS Cosmic Consciousness which contains within it as its fulfillment God Consciousness (awareness of God in creation and God transcendent to creation). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nirvikalpa Samadhi...the highest samadhi!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip However, as you note, it ripens into GC, or seen another way, integrates fully with all relative existence as seen from the CC perspective, becoming GC. Correct Then as the fullness deepens once again, its relative component is seen to be multiple GCs so to speak, which could be called UC, or a ripening or fulfillment of GC. This then is no longer dependent on the Jivan-mukta, or seen another way, the Jivan-mukta is redefined as being larger than it was before- sort of infinity becoming more infinite. I think the Buddhists refer to this as the great *Maha para Nirvana*, a Yogi cannot sustain it and still be in a human body So each higher state of consciousness is the fulfillment of the prior one. Yes, and my point was that from the human beings perspective and MMY's teachings and all the great teachings regarding this matter, CC is the highest state a human can achieve which finds its *fulfillment* in GC. Beyond that...well, as Charlie Lutes use to say it's 'unknowable'. (Till you get there) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vote here for the Aliens solution
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Again, I *apologize* for having mentioned this group on AMT a year ago. If I hadn't you wouldn't have been faced with this alien infestation. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,.welcome to American, where are you papers Senior!?!?!? Racist! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Take a Hillbilly from the South and put him in the Middle East....
and what have you got? A Genius! Charlie Lutes some 20 years ago!Swear to God, I heard it with my own ears...paraphrased!! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Seems like 'mahat' (mahat-tattva[sp?]: the great principle)
also means 'intellect':
1 mahat mfn. (orig. pr. p. of 1. %{mah} ; strong form , %{mahAnt}
f. %
{mahatI4} ; in ep. often %{mahat} for %{mahAntam} ; ibc. mostly %
{mahA} q.v.) great (in space , time , quantity or degree)
snip
(rarely n. scil. %{tattva}) , ` the great principle 'N. of
Buddhi ,
` Intellect ' , or the intellectual principle (according to the
Sa1m2khya philosophy the second of the 23 principles produced from
Prakr2iti and so called as the {great} source of Aham2ka1ra , `
self-
consciousness ' , and Manas , ` the mind ' ; cf. IW. 83 , 91
c.)
The beginning of the relevant suutra goes like this:
sattva-rajas-tamasaaM saamyaavasthaa prkRtiH prakRter mahaan
mahato 'haMkaaro (sandhi for mahataH + ahaMkaaraH)
the sameness-
condition (saamya-ava_sthaa) of sattva, rajas and tamas (is)
prakriti, from prakriti (is born?) mahat (sandhi and stuff:
mahaan),
from mahat ahaMkaara (ego)...
Nicely put.
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[FairfieldLife] The true meaning of the word, *infidel*..........
The battle of the Bhagavad Gita wages on the field of Kurukshetra (the physical and subtle bodies) for the undisputed reign of the bodily kingdom, which is the war between Buddhi, or discriminative intelligence and avidya, or ignorance. Every spiritual aspirant wishing to win this battle must defeat the rebels (the *infidels* or 100 evil minded sons of Dhritarashtra; lust, greed, anger, and so forth up to 100) by 'Pandu' and the POWERS of virtue unfolded in meditation by the 5 chakras; self restraint, obedience, good habits, vitality/virtue, calmness (samadhi). Once this is accomplished he/she is considered a Siddha,(perfected being). I personally don't know any Siddhas in spite of how cavalierly the word is thrown around today. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The true meaning of the word, *infidel*..........
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/16/06 11:20:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Once this is accomplished he/she is considered a Siddha,(perfected being). I personally don't know any Siddhas in spite of how cavalierly the word is thrown around today Only after many life times of this practice Though in the context of the immensity of time (Yugas, etc.), a relatively short time!! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 9/11/06 1:32 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure Shemp, sometimes I feel a personal Guru might be necessary and sometimes not! Why is it though, Shemp, all well known Saintshad Gurus? Amma and Ramana Maharshi didn¹t. Saint Francis. Jesus. And Buddha rejected the teachings of all his teachers... I think you'd have to research all of their previous lives. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Its Official: FFL is Now AMT
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its Official: FFL is Now AMT Of the past 100 posts, 78% were made by former/current heavy AMTers. Leaders: % of total posts Spraig 24 Shemp 20 Unc16 Judy 14 Hey...don't forget me, I'm an old AMT'er too! :-) BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Its Official: FFL is Now AMT
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Its Official: FFL is Now AMT Of the past 100 posts, 78% were made by former/current heavy AMTers. Leaders: % of total posts Spraig 24 Shemp 20 Unc16 Judy 14 Yeah, but it's quality that counts, not quantity. Of the past 100 post, 94% of the most intelligent were made by Shemp: Shemp 94 Unc5 Spraig 1 Judy 0 Ha, ha,everybody's always pickin' on poor ol'Judy! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Its Official: FFL is Now AMT
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Its Official: FFL is Now AMT Of the past 100 posts, 78% were made by former/current heavy AMTers. Leaders: % of total posts Spraig 24 Shemp 20 Unc16 Judy 14 Hey...don't forget me, I'm an old AMT'er too! :-) BillyG. You were in the sample* totals of 78% AMTers. But your personal totals were so dismal :), they didn't warrant individual citing. O, ouch! Your 1-2% of posts are hardly enough to drive long-time FFL's / non-ATMers away -- a trend observed over the last 6 months from the, IMO, increasing courser, meandering, toxic and wrath-ladden exchanges characterstic of some of the material from the tough-street fighting, ATM-school of posters. snip Excluding yourselfof course! snip To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Its Official: FFL is Now AMT
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/12/06 4:09 PM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , blissbunn1 blissbuni@ wrote: What's AMT? alt.meditation.transcendental http://groups.google.com/group/alt.meditation.transcendental? hl=en It¹s interesting to see the top poster stats: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.meditation.transcendental/about? hl=en I wish Yahoo Groups had that. Amazing tool!! Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
To understand this is to understand and love MMY. Many have come to Yoga because MMY has simplified the esoteric teaching of India to comform to modern standards and receiptivity; though, in the end a personal *guru* may be necessary to achieve final illumination. MMY is NOT a personal guru! Did you think MMY was going to spill all the beans for every Tom, Dick and Harry? NO, he still has not released all of the knowledge that is available, however, this knowledge will only be given to those who apply themselves and *merit* it, and that is where a personal guru comes in. Keep on meditating...it's a good technique but there is much yet to be revealed! IMHO! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: To understand this is to understand and love MMY. Many have come to Yoga because MMY has simplified the esoteric teaching of India to comform to modern standards and receiptivity; though, in the end a personal *guru* may be necessary to achieve final illumination. MMY is NOT a personal guru! Did you think MMY was going to spill all the beans for every Tom, Dick and Harry? NO, he still has not released all of the knowledge that is available, however, this knowledge will only be given to those who apply themselves and *merit* it, and that is where a personal guru comes in. Keep on meditating...it's a good technique but there is much yet to be revealed! IMHO! Bill: so you don't feel that all you need is the TM technique to unfold 100% of mental potential? I'm not sure Shemp, sometimes I feel a personal Guru might be necessary and sometimes not! Why is it though, Shemp, all well known Saintshad Gurus? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I don't know. But MMY says that all that is needed is TM. That's why I see a dilemma for True Believers in this area: if they feel they need to do MORE than TM and take MMY as their personal guru, then they are implicitly admitting that TM by itself is not enough. But if they do that, then they are spitting in the very face of the very guru they have taken on because that guru has told them that they do NOT need a guru to get full enlightenment. Quit a little conundrum... Agreed! In my view it may be MMY himself that becomes your *personal* guru in a coming life! I still think TM is a great technique and intend to stick with it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/11/06 1:32 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure Shemp, sometimes I feel a personal Guru might be necessary and sometimes not! Why is it though, Shemp, all well known Saintshad Gurus? Amma and Ramana Maharshi didn¹t. ...and therefore you don't!?! I assume. How do you even know they're saints?...also the exception doesn't disprove the rule. (If there is one). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I have a personal guru and it is great to be able to have questions answered plus a whole advanced path of techniques leading to the archarya level. However I tested this guru and he tested me before proceding to initiation. A personal guru may not be for everybody though we do teach yogic meditation for the masses (that is what TM is too) as many will not have the time for the advanced techniques and procedures. Indeed, there is such a concept as the *probationer* or, one who is on the path pending further review and is not fully accepted until certain *standards* are met To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Quit a little conundrum... A very interesting conundrum, Shemp. It is good you have pointed this out. I think that although TM is a very basic calming technique, a somewhat refined but common manasika-japa, it could be enough if, IF, the teaching that went with it were actually directed at freeiing the individual from the guru. But Mahesh's teaching increasingly leads to further and further dependence upon the guru/Mahesh. You have to buy more and more. The guru's teaching, Maheshism, is based on greed, *the mind goes in the direction of more and more*. Greed will not free anyone from anything, it will only increase dependence on the guru or whoever/whatever is supplying more! There's an interesting pointing out instruction in one of Ken Wilber's books. I have forgotten which one, but if I can find it, I'll post it. Quite simply KW shows how you can be completely self sufficient (look how Mahesh made a buck on that one and the 108's) and not need the guru. It isn't as easy as depending on Mahesh to give you what he thinks you need (which is another way of saying as easy for Mahesh to take what he wants from you). But with KW's pointing out instructions you can confidently go from tescher to teacher learning more and more and not get hooked on giving more and more and having little or nothing for yourself but the paranoia that you might not get anything if you don't try to buy it all. Thanks Shemp. Dear Gerbals-Fi! *World Peace* is only a matter of *MONEY*, World Peace that is! MMY couldn't care less about mere Gold, he's a smile millionaire! IMO. Love him or hate him his motivations are pure! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But MMY says that all that is needed is TM. That's why I see a dilemma for True Believers in this area: if they feel they need to do MORE than TM and take MMY as their personal guru, then they are implicitly admitting that TM by itself is not enough. But if they do that, then they are spitting in the very face of the very guru they have taken on because that guru has told them that they do NOT need a guru to get full enlightenment. Quit a little conundrum... On further review of your post, I amend my response slightly, to take issue with the Guru is NOT *spitting in his face*, to take another Guru may be. I don't recall MMY saying you *don't* need a Guru. Also, MMY is NOT a personal Guru, he is a World Teacher or Master, NOT a personal Guru! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/11/06 2:18 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 9/11/06 1:32 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote: I'm not sure Shemp, sometimes I feel a personal Guru might be necessary and sometimes not! Why is it though, Shemp, all well known Saintshad Gurus? Amma and Ramana Maharshi didn¹t. and therefore you don't!?! I assume. How do you even know they're saints?. I¹m a lot more sure about it than I am that MMY is one. Whoaand what is your *criterion* for such an analysis? Subjective 'hunch', OK, that's good enough. Of course we live and die with the decisions we make, I personally don't know. The real question is however whether or not one needs a personal Guru for final illumination... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I may be pollyanna-ish about this but I truly am convinced that TM is all that is needed...AND I believe it's the fastest most effective way to enlightenment. And let me reiterate: I am referring to that first technique we all got for $35.00 back in '73 when we had long hair and bell bottoms. Me -- a snot-nosed 18-year-old into every vice available to his immature materialistic-infested life -- shelled out 35 Canadian bucks and the cost of 6 flowers, two fruit, and a goddamn hanky and a month later I experienced pure consciousness...something that millions of yogis and assorted saddhu types spend lifetimes and paperweights dangling from their penises trying to achieve. And I got it without any effort and the price of, at the time, about 5 medium pepperoni pizzas. All the rest of the current TMO offerings is fluff and money- making...stuff that's probably necessary if you're running a multi- national operation but has nothing to do with transcending OR the TM Program. And MMY can, ethically, always fall back on the disclaimer he gave us all in the first 5 minutes of the first step of the 7-step program to learning TM: it's not a religion or a philosophy...it's a do-it-yourself program that doesn't require belief or any other additions. Anyone that deviates from that A-in-AGNI-like first utterance of official declaration by the TMO can't blame anyone when they discover they've wasted thousands of dollars and thousands of hours rubbing sesame oil on their bald heads and getting Jyotish advice from some dhoti-wearing, amoeba-dysenteric Dravidian who Maharishi hired off the streets of some God-forsaken Indian ghetto. Suckers! I told you in the first five minutes that you didn't need any of that other shit! Did you think I was lying? Nice to see you get it off your chest.I'm not so sure! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: parsnip He implicitly said it when he told you that with the TM Program you would unfold 100% of your mental potential. You may be right but surely ONLY time will tell. I'm still betting on this horse (TM) coming in..:-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Helen Lutes once said, MMY tricked us into meditating.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: snip It¹s worth about as much as ³bees come from Venus,² another of Charlie¹s little gems of wisdom. Oh, gee, did he really say that? Bless his heart, but that's just hilarious. Hey...maybe they do come from Venus, can you prove otherwise? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has anyone here 'perceived' the Ajna chakra?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Interesting. Who says? That's the all-important question, you see. If the source of a statement about meditation or spiritual practice is not Maharishi personally, or some book that bears his official seal of approval, the knowledge cannot possibly be true or valuable and most likely is dangerous. You've been infected by non-approved ideas, Billy. For your own sake, you should go back to believing ONLY what you have been told to believe by Maharishi. Anything else is BAD for you. What is wrong with you...didn't you GET that after all those years of studying with him? :-) I appreciate your tounge in cheek response, and of course there will be those who cannot think, 'out of the box'. The mystery remains as to why MMY has chosen NOT to address this particular Yogic principle, as for me, I do not know why and can only speculate. I do know by his current approach he has given me the great gift of knowledge and direct experience, perhaps this issue is deemed, 'too controversial', and so be it, if more people begin to experience higher consciousness. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has anyone here 'perceived' the Ajna chakra?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It's an easy enough thing to dismiss. If you think that samadhi is a thing to be perceived, or that there is a consistent experience that always precedes it, you're wrong. Period. End of story. Move along folks, nothing here to see (literally). It's easy for you to dismiss 5000+ years of Indian religious history, not for me, though I have never experienced the opening of the third eye surely the principle, (like I have stated) is universal in Yoga and even in the Bible. (If thine eye be single, thy body will be full of light) What do you think Jesus was talking about? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has anyone here 'perceived' the Ajna chakra?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This seems to be Muktananda's description of his experience; but words, although flashy, would still fall short. Because words are devisive by nature, and the opening of the third eye, or spiritual site, or soul-realization, is by nature, an experience of unity, not seperateness. So, I could never relate to Mukatananda's description, myself. But my would feel a closer description, might not be so flashy, but rather an enlivening of the 'perception' of 'oneness'. R.G. This was not Muktananda's description,nice try, close but no cigar! At any rate, the 'spinal highway' is the pathway of *decent* of the Spirit (soul) INTO matter and the *only*, yes I repeat, *only* way BACK to Spirit, thru awakening the kundalini up thru the Chakras to the Sahasrara the uppermost Chakra.this is Yoga 101. It's embarrassing most TM'ers don't know this stuff. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: snip I first noticed something odd when even counseling was given a bum rap, and they started to ask questions about if you'd ever had any. Seemed very personal and none of their business. On the other hand, the TMO has been criticized for not being more careful in its screening procedures. Seems to me requiring one's therapist's written permission to learn TM was a sensible precaution, a step in the right direction, at least. Was that ever really the case? And if it is STILL the case, then the lawsuit against TM/MUM fails immeditately if the murderer at MUM never informed anyone about their TM practice OR their being on medication for severe psychosis. The big WHY is easy: MMY wants what is best for YOU and the WORLD! There's no conspiracy here, how many here would have started TM if it was taught in the traditional wayvery few, MMY had to modify and simplify lots of things to make it palatable to the west!! TM is Yoga/lite for modernity, and it works/worked. I won't fault him for cutting corners here and there if it results in me and thousands of others starting TM; this is understanding MMY at a subtle level IMO. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Om
Right on...even MMY says that in his little book, The Vedas. Additionally, when you transcend, *consciously* you will experience the mother of all mantras, AUM! The very vibration that has created the cosmos is Mother Divine. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SIVANANDA DAILY READING FOR 7 SEPTEMBER IMPORTANCE OF OM Brahman is the highest of all. Om is his name. Om is also your real name. It covers the threefold experiences of man. From Om this sense world has been projected. The world exists in Om and dissolves in Om. Om is the greatest of all mantras (mystic formula). Om bestows direct liberation. All mantras begin with Om. Om is the life, the soul, of all mantras. Every Upanishad begins with Om. Oblations that are offered to the various gods are all preceded by Om. All languages, all sounds, come out of Om. The essence of the four vedas is Om. A-U-M covers the whole range of sound vibrations. A starts from the root of the tongue, U proceeds from the middle and M comes from the end, by closing the lips. Om is the source of all religions and scriptures. This sacred monosyllable is the means of liberation from the bonds of matter. It leads one, stage by stage, to the highest bliss. It is fit for the lowest as well as for the highest and most advanced intellect. It is fit for the brahmachari (celibate-student) as well as the sanyasin (monk). It is fit for any condition. Om is your birthright. It is the common heritage of all. It is the word of power. It fills the devotee with spiritual strength, vigour and energy when chanted with harmony and rhythm. It brings inspiration and intuition. It elevates the mind. It is a spiritual food and tonic. It is full of divine potency. Live in Om. Meditate on Om. Inhale Om. Exhale Om. Rest peacefully in Om. Take shelter in Om. May that Om guide you. Om stands for all phenomenal worlds. From Om this sense universe has been projected. Om has been formed by adding the letters A-U-M; A represents the physical world; U represents the mental and the astral planes, the world of spirits, all heavens; and M represents the deep sleep state and, even in the waking state, all that is unknown, beyond reach of the intellect. Om therefore represents all. It is the basis of your life, thought and intelligence. All words that denote objects are centred in Om - hence the whole world has come from Om, rests in Om and dissolves in Om. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Helen Lutes once said, MMY tricked us into meditating.
Hey, who knew it was gonna take us 7 lifetimes to reach CC...Ha, Ha! We had to get THAT from Charlie!!! By the way, if MMY was giving intros suggesting that in 7 lifetimes you would finally achieve what he was teaching would YOU have started??? Hardly! Chakras??? forget it! He might as well have been talking about UFO's, you must remember his goal was/is to regenerate the world (modernity) and India, of course. that's it Tm is Yoga for modernity short all the controversial stuff...OK, OK, so Yogic flying is a little, shall we say, weird! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Helen Lutes once said, MMY tricked us into meditating.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/7/06 10:19:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey, who knew it was gonna take us 7 lifetimes to reach CC...Ha, Ha! We had to get THAT from Charlie!!! By the way, if MMY was giving intros suggesting that in 7 lifetimes you would finally achieve what he was teaching would YOU have started??? Hardly! Chakras??? forget it! He might as well have been talking about UFO's, you must remember his goal was/is to regenerate the world (modernity) and India, of course. that's it Tm is Yoga for modernity short all the controversial stuff...OK, OK, so Yogic flying is a little, shall we say, weird! :-) If one is thinking in terms of 7 life times to CC then he has an awful lot of hope for the future, not that that is bad. Krishna says in the Gita , only after many life times of this practice. Of course, as M says, this is a point most people would find discouraging so he came up with the explanation that each time one transcends, that counts as a life time, which makes Krishna's statement a little easier to swallow. I'm more inclined to take Krishna's statement literally. I think both comments are apt! They both apply, when one transcends, it is the same process that occurs at death, the withdrawal of the life force, etc. (except the two lower ethers) even the heart stops, so there you go, however, even so, it requires many births (literally) for most of us. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Helen Lutes once said, MMY tricked us into meditating.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Hey, perhaps you are on your seventh as we speak! Seriously, as a hypothesis the reason all of us were attracted to TM in the first place could be because of past lifetimes doing some form of meditation. Dream on Amigo..OK only 6 for you!! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A million years to reach Cosmic Consciousness MMY Fuiggi.
MMY said: "It will take you a million years to reach CC, unless you come to these courses"! I was there andthat's what he said in Fuiggi, Italy in the Auditorium...snif. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Has anyone here 'perceived' the Ajna chakra?
Within the silence of meditation a blue light will appear and surrounding this blue light a wider white or golden light, this is the light of the all-seeing spiritual eye of the soul (the third eye). Upon entry therein the consciousness finds itself one with God in nature (Prakiti) also known as Krishna consciousness or Christ consciousness. Within this blue light there will appear a white starlike light, this is the doorway to transcendental pure consciousness, Savikalpa Samadhi of which MMY speaks. When this Savikalpa Samadhi becomes permanent in Cosmic Consciousness and the Krishna or Christ consciousness becomes a part of the meditators *Samadhi* experience this is *God Consciousness* as MMY speaks, the Absolute fullness and Relative fullness. Purnam adah and Purnam idam, as Guru Dev was purportedly in.Sahaja-Samadhi or all time natural state of Cosmic Consciousness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has anyone here 'perceived' the Ajna chakra?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: Within the silence of meditation a blue light will appear and surrounding this blue light a wider white or golden light, this is the light of the all-seeing spiritual eye of the soul (the third eye). Upon entry therein the consciousness finds itself one with God in nature (Prakiti) also known as Krishna consciousness or Christ consciousness. Interesting. Who says? Within this blue light there will appear a white starlike light, this is the doorway to transcendental pure consciousness, Savikalpa Samadhi of which MMY speaks. When this Savikalpa Samadhi becomes permanent in Cosmic Consciousness and the Krishna or Christ consciousness becomes a part of the meditators *Samadhi* experience this is *God Consciousness* as MMY speaks, the Absolute fullness and Relative fullness. Purnam adah and Purnam idam, as Guru Dev was purportedly in.Sahaja- Samadhi or all time natural state of Cosmic Consciousness. Ha, ha...says me, of course. Look, what does it matter, does it ring true or not? You be the judge!. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conscious transcending thru the Ajna Chakra (third eye).....
(Warning: Proceed at your own risk! This information for stout souls only!) Unless your have *consciously* experienced the holy AUM vibration and passed thru the omnipresent all seeing third eye to spiritual light and bliss you *have not transcended*even once! This is the secret, until kundalini rises to the 7th chakra, transcending to transcendental pure consciousness is NOT possible! Whether or not TM enables this experience we are NOT sure, I believe at some point it will, but at present no testimony or instruction has suggested that it will. The bubble diagram only works when one is able to *completely* transcend relativity at least once. All meditators transcend, but most,if not all, NOT to transcendental pure consciousness, that is very rare and one must be highly advanced! BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conscious transcending thru the Ajna Chakra (third eye).....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: (Warning: Proceed at your own risk! This information for stout souls only!) Unless your have *consciously* experienced the holy AUM vibration and passed thru the omnipresent all seeing third eye to spiritual light and bliss you *have not transcended*even once! This is the secret, until kundalini rises to the 7th chakra, transcending to transcendental pure consciousness is NOT possible! Whether or not TM enables this experience we are NOT sure, I believe at some point it will, but at present no testimony or instruction has suggested that it will. The bubble diagram only works when one is able to *completely* transcend relativity at least once. All meditators transcend, but most,if not all, NOT to transcendental pure consciousness, that is very rare and one must be highly advanced! BillyG. Thanks for this. However, the problem with such statements as above is that they portray the enlivening or awakening of the chakras as a linear, all or nothing process. This is incorrect. It is true that the third eye must be opened as an element of living pure consciousness 24X7, though many other combinations are possible. For example, we can have the experience of the third eye opening, and then closing again, and then reopening as a result of new integration with Being. However during this time we are not to be said fully enlightened, or living Being 24X7. 24X7 enlightenment comes about as a result of continuously culturing the nervous system, and attuning it to Being. It is a gradual process of purification, attained efficiently through the practice of TM and TM-Sidhis. Then when we are ready, a phase transition occurs, changing our life forever, when we are fully integrated with Being. Spiritual eveloution continues after this point of course, though the transition beween a bound life and a life in eternal freedom is a one time, unmistakable experience. I mostly agree Jim.. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conscious transcending thru the Ajna Chakra (third eye).....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: (Warning: Proceed at your own risk! This information for stout souls only!) Unless your have *consciously* experienced the holy AUM vibration and passed thru the omnipresent all seeing third eye to spiritual light and bliss you *have not transcended*even once! This is the secret, until kundalini rises to the 7th chakra, transcending to transcendental pure consciousness is NOT possible! Whether or not TM enables this experience we are NOT sure, I believe at some point it will, but at present no testimony or instruction has suggested that it will. The bubble diagram only works when one is able to *completely* transcend relativity at least once. All meditators transcend, but most,if not all, NOT to transcendental pure consciousness, that is very rare and one must be highly advanced! BillyG. I seem to be usually at svaadhiSThaana (sva + adhi + sthaana) or below... Ha, ha...agreed!! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup, he secularized a lot of the stuff. For instance, creative intelligence for shakti. I think you hit the nail on the head, MMY simplified everything and made it more appealing to a world wide audience..hence you see a dope like me meditating. The question remains, however, does TM bring one to the 'spinal highway', the way home to Spirit? After all, it was the path of descent into relativity and must therefore be the path to reascend again to Spirit. I think it does, but that and a buck won't get you a cup of coffee! Judy is right about marmas, not the same as chakras, acu points, etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't any of you guys considered the obvious? He doesn't speak about chakras (and thousands of other spiritual subjects) because he doesn't know anything about them. Ha, haI enjoyed this and your posts below, I think you may have something here! Although, it does leave one a little insecure as I do believe Kundalini and Chakras are central to understanding Yoga and instrumental in achieving 'Yoga'. Although I will continue to do TM as it has 'enlightened' me and made me what MMY calls a 'knower of reality', albiet, a ways to go. :-) BillyG. If you want to know about such things, go to the spiritual traditions that have studied them for centuries. His obviously didn't. Before anyone freaks out and considers this anti-TM, it's not. I honestly think that 1) he doesn't discuss this particular subject (chakras) and many others (the mechanics of what happens between incarnations, how to transmit shakti, how to perceive auras, etc.) because he doesn't know anything about them, 2) that it is *fine* and *appropriate* that he doesn't know anything about them, and 3) that it's a *good idea* that he doesn't say anything about them. Why spread ignorance when so many people are going to listen to it and assume that it's knowledge? Maharishi grew up in a very conservative and mainstream Hindu tradition. They had a lot of things they were knowledgable about, and when he discusses those things, he is on safe ground and is doing his students a service to pass along what he might have learned. But to stray into areas that he never studied (because his tradition didn't study them or consider them important) would be a *disservice* to his students. If you think I'm wrong about this, try to remember when he *has* talked about other spir- itual traditions, like the times he's conveyed complete and total misinformation about Subud, about Scientology, and about Christianity. In every case, one or more of his students cornered him into talking about something he knew nothing about except some misinformation that he'd heard along the way, and he passed along that misinfor- mation as if it were true. In my opinion, when you know nothing about a subject, it's better to say nothing about it than to spout a buncha bullshit and *prove* that you know nothing about it. Some posters here, who feel compelled to act as if they know all about things they've never studied (the Google-it-for- five-minutes-and-pretend-you're-an-expert approach) would IMO do better to follow their teacher's example and just stay away from subjects they know nothing about. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Before anyone freaks out and considers this anti-TM, it's not. snip Why, *of course* it's not anti-TM (or anti-MMY). How could anybody think accusing MMY of talking about something he knew nothing about and getting it wrong was anti-MMY? Ha, ha,on the other hand, can you prove any different? Turq. could be right, yes? That's the problem, we really don't know, MMY has left us in the dark on this, central to Yoga, subject; maybe it's justified, I guess I'll just continue to meditate. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another piece of jigsaw puzzle, thanks. snip So what happened when you looked in MMY's eyes that caused you to stop meditating? (P.S. Like your website BTW.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where the mantras come from!...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wmurphy77 wrote: In the Astral/Causal spine there are 7 centers (chakras)coexistent snip Have you read the Mantra Mahodadhi of Mahidhara? NO To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip What the hell is this third eye and why do you think it is important? The third eye is the portal to infinity, that's why it's important! Unfolding of the chakras unfold powers of morality, self control, chastity, descrimination, etc. That is why we meditate, and the unfolding of the chakras is the methodology from which we get these powers and win the battle of life, (i.e. good over evil). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Electo-Magnetic Energy of Enlightenment'
You've got it Spock!!! And it's so basic to Yoga, really! -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many Yogis have told me that the Sexual Chakra is the Second Chakra [Orange]. The first Chakra [Red] is the base, also called Mooladhara Chakra in which the Kundalini serpent is Coiled and sleeping. You don't energise the Sexual Chakras to awaken the kundalini. Who told you this.?? You awaken the kundalini through meditation. The three lower chakras are look after the base functions of the human body. The kundalini travels across the lower three chakras and once it reaches the fourth chakra, the person becomes more spiritual. The Seventh Chakra [Violet] is in the middle of your brain and it's also the Third Eye. Both are one and the same. The Feminine energy of the Earth and Masculine energy of the Heaven is what the Chinese call Yin-Yang energy. However, there is only one Universal Force, the Chi - Force that flows through everything and sustains everything. Of course Electricity and Magnetism are two sides of the same coin. James Clerk Maxwell was the first to unify Electricity and Magnetism by his four equations called Maxwell's equations in 1864. Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 21:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'The Electo-Magnetic Energy of Enlightenment' A thought just occurred to me, in regard to the opening of the third eye, and chakras. That is the idea, of Shiva Shakti... If we think of Shakti, as the feminine energy of the earth; And if we think of Shiva, as the electrical energy of the sky (Heaven); Then we need both for enlightenment. So, whether we think of the energy of the soul, radiating down into the body; Or if we take the other direction of energizing the sexual chakras, to arouse the Kundalini; shooting upward. Then, Both are necessary; We know that when we are attracted to someone or something, there is a magnetic impulse to it. We also know that when we have a sudden awareness or insight, this seems more electrical in nature; Electricity and magnetism are two sides of the same coin. So, it just seems to me, that both sides of the equation are needed. Earth and Heaven; Shiva and Shakti both. From head to toe, the more energy of the universe, we can have flowing through us; The more of life energy is flowing through us. The Unification of Shakti with Shiva that is the energy of enlightenment. The spinning of those chakras, the opening of the energy... In digital terms; higher vibrations= increased sampling, or even, infinite sampling. R.G. - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The third eye is the portal to infinity, that's why it's important! Unfolding of the chakras unfold powers of morality, self control, chastity, descrimination, etc. That is why we meditate, and the unfolding of the chakras is the methodology from which we get these powers and win the battle of life, (i.e. good over evil). So, when does this concept appear? It's not in the Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita or Yoga Sutras. Where is it? In the Bhagavad Gita it is referred to allegorically (as that is what the Gita is, an allegory) as the 5 Pandavas which represent the 5 lower chakras: Sahadeva=coccyx center=restraint (muladhara chakra). Nakula=sacral center=obedience (svadhishthana chakra) Arjuna=lumbar=Self control (manipura chakra) Bhima=dorsal=vitality (anahata) Yudisthira=cervical=calmness (vishuddha) When these powers or 'warriors' come to the aid (are unfolded) of the chela or 'Arjuna' they fight the evil minded sons of the blind King Dhritarashtra; lust, greed, avarice and so on.I could go on but you get the idea. The Gita is an alegorical story about the internal battlefield (kurukshetra) of man and his struggle with evil (delusion) and the final victory by ascention to Spirit and the destruction of evil. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The 7chakras as found in the Mundaka Upanishad...
The flame has seven licking tongues: Kali, the dark one; the terrible; the swift-as-thought; the crimson one; the smoky-colored; the sparkling one; and Devi, she who takes all forms. Whoever performs the sacrifice correctly, when these seven are *enlivened, he is led by them, as the rays of the sun, to the world of the lord of the gods. From The Upanishads by Alistair Shearer and Peter Russell both TM practioners!! Notice how each tongue lines up so beautifully with each chakra; Kali being the Shakti power of Mother Divine, the crimson one equal to the Heart chakra and its color RED,the sparkling one equal to the 6th anahata chakra effusing pure spiritual light, and so on...Billyg. P.S. The 'sacrifice' or Yajna is offering the ego or little self into the ineffable Spirit..when done correctly. Samadhi! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The 7chakras as found in the Mundaka Upanishad...
The flame has seven licking tongues: Kali, the dark one; the terrible; the swift-as-thought; the crimson one; the smoky-colored; the sparkling one; and Devi, she who takes all forms. Whoever performs the sacrifice correctly, when these seven are *enlivened, he is led by them, as the rays of the sun, to the world of the lord of the gods. From The Upanishads by Alistair Shearer and Peter Russell both TM practioners!! Notice how each tongue lines up so with each chakra; Kali being the Shakti power of Mother Divine, the crimson one equal to the Heart chakra and its color,the sparkling one equal to the 6th ajna chakra effusing pure spiritual light, and so on...Billyg. P.S. The 'sacrifice' or Yajna is offering the ego or little self into the ineffable Spirit..when done correctly. Samadhi! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Is passage thru the Ajna Chakra (third eye) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
I've only been meditating for 37 years (TM govenor/Siddha...in poor standing)and don't really know...any takers? BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
I've only been meditating for 37 years (TM govenor/Siddha...in poor standing)and don't really know...any takers? BillyG. (previous subject line cut off) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: I've only been meditating for 37 years (TM govenor/Siddha...in poor standing)and don't really know...any takers? BillyG. (previous subject line cut off) Hi, I think yes, it probably is, though I had such an experience long before gaining enlightenment. The reason I say probably is that it seems like such a normal and necessary part of functioning once liberation is attained. Performance of the TM-Sidhis really hastened the experience for me. What has your experience been? I have never seen the Ajna Chakra or any other for that matter, but my understanding it is essential as the 'spinal highway' is the only way back to Spirit. (Brahman). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is passage thru the Ajna Chakra (third eye) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: I've only been meditating for 37 years (TM govenor/Siddha...in poor standing)and don't really know...any takers? BillyG. MMY never discusses Chakras. Good luck with making something up concerning THAT aspect of TM and theory. Yogic flying and no 'chakras'.they are an essential ingredient of Yoga Philosophy, even Guru Dev sports the OM symbol on his pedestal, (OM or AUM the mother of all sounds and mantras). But you're right, I won't hold my breath... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure I understand all of what you said- all I can say is that when the third eye opens (a very weird expression by the way...) the ability is gained to see all manner of things without the optic machinery of the eyes, although such sights are still like any other picture, with dimension, shape, color, etc. Jim-The 'third' or all seeing eye opens up the 'vision' and conscious awareness of God immanent in creation as the Creator, not bad, wouldn't you sa. But like you said, without the optic machinery of the eyes, remember what Christ said, no man cometh unto the Father (Brahman) but thru meie. thur the all seeing 'third' eye. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Correction: for the record I dropped practice for a few weeks after seeing the look in MMYs eyes whilst standing near him in Royal Albert Hall London in the mid-1970's. Care to share what you saw??? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indians in general speak of the third eye open (kundalini has risen) as a sign of enlightenment. And what does MMY say? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, I'm sure that is what Christ meant: me = 3rd eye. Yes, as Christ is *the only begotten* of the Father and is God immanent IN creation (formless Christ or Buddhic plane of consciousness, the one life, the one soul) one must unfold that 'kosha' or bliss covering before on can merge into Brahman or Samadhi. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what does MMY say? Like others have mentioned here I never heard him speak of the chakras. It's not that the information isn't important though. I'm not sure why MMY does not mention opening of the spiritual astral/causal third eye, but it might be because it smacks of Religion and Hinduism, and of course, we all know TM isn't a Religion, God forbid. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Where the mantras come from!...
In the Astral/Causal spine there are 7 centers (chakras)coexistent with the Sushumna and the Brahmanadi 'spine'each center (chakra) has a specific number of 'petals' or vibrations (50 in total, not including the Sahasrara chakra, the 7th, which contains them all) from which the Sanskrit language is formed. From the seed (bija) sounds emitted by the action of these vibrations on the 'petals' of these chakras the rishis devised mantras, hence we have TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is passage thru the Ajna Chakra (third eye) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: I've only been meditating for 37 years (TM govenor/Siddha...in poor standing)and don't really know...any takers? BillyG. It is easier for a poor man to enter the kingdom of heaven than for a rich man to pass through the eye of a needle. And did not Jesus say: If thine eye be 'single' thy body shall be full of light? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: snip Or perhaps because chakras are grafted on after the vedic stuff he DOES consider important? Maharishi mentions marmas, and not chakras. In all fairness to MMY, I don't think he wanted to open a pandora's box with this more esoteric stuff, who knows, I may not be a meditator now if he did. He wants to broden his appeal not lessen it, afterall.I don't hold it against him, although it would be reassuring if he did explain it from our (TM) point of view. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maha'Rush'i (Rush Limbaugh)and MahaRishi agree on UN....
The great MahaRushi and Maharishi agree that the UN is nothing but a bad JOKE: useless, insipid, impotent, and run by nothing other than a monkey in a silk suit (have you seen his suits, KaChing $). My grandpap use to call them slick nigger devils, I however have better taste!~!!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi and Mantras'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So, Maharishi evolved himself, and the teaching evolved as he did. Now, as we know, the teaching has become a lot more than just the mantra and the method of using the mantra. Maharishi, the teaching, the movement has all evolved, like everything does, like it or not. So, what technique did Guru Dev practice? Also, I thought this technique was as ancient as the hills, I mean, even Krishna taught it to Arjuna, right? Whatever..:-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
