subject:"\[FairfieldLife\] Oh Lord"

yet to offer why the Gulf States,with all of their wealth has 
refused to take in the Syrian refugees. As I said , one of the Great Tenants of 
Islam is *charity*. Alms, alms, alms for the love of Allah! The Saudi's are the 
keepers of the faith. Hot Salami n sum bacon tu.
 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 6:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

   Re: Re: "I find it cruel to uproot entire populations and plant them in a 
completely foreign culture."

 It sounds like you think there is some terrorist conspiracy going to "uproot 
entire populations" in the middle east and "plant them" in the U.S and Europe.  

 If the refugees were going to any of the countries in Africa, would you take 
the same position with as much vehemence as you have around refugees coming 
here? 

 A "population" doesn't migrate on the scale that we've seen for kicks.  Who, 
pray tell, is *taking* them away from their homeland; seems to me the refugees 
are *choosing* to leave because they fear for their lives and families.  Of 
course they want to go to a country they assume can give them aid and a better 
life.  Wouldn't you?  

 The best thing to do if you empathize with how stressful it could be and if 
you are worried about refugees adapting is to volunteer yourself to help and 
get involved.  They are coming and I doubt we're going to intern them in camps 
like we did the Japanese, when national paranoia took hold.  Make a difference 
Mike; you are heading into your twilight years - why sit around being an 
armchair politician? (P.S.  Remember, I never give advice to anyone that I 
don't give to myself as well.)

 Oh, but your "dharma" and "karma" landed you here - lucky you!  Except that, 
of course, your ancestor's migrated here as well.  Why?  Were they being 
persecuted?  In search of a better life?  Starving back over there in Europe 
somewhere?  Not allowed to practice their religion?  Should they have stayed 
back in their "culture" and "close to home?" 

 I have been looking up the meaning of the word "dharma."  Nowhere do I see a 
definition that indicates a human being should contain  one's life to within 
the boundaries of the "culture" and "religion" of the region they were born.  
Not even close.  Curiously, what definition are you using?   

 Who, pray tell, is trying to "change their lives with a new culture?"  

 Whaattt?!! Are you making any sense?  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Emily, seriously, what does it sound like to you? Have you ever heard the 
expression( I know you have) *there's no place like home*.
 Is it really wise and helpful to take people away from everything that they've 
known and experienced and throw them into something different? Some will adapt 
well and others not so well and refugee status is not an ideal way to learn. 
It's a stressful situation.
 The culture and  religion a person is born into is a part of their dharma, 
their evolutionary path in life. Forcing someone out of that, whether by 
coercion or predicament invites trouble for them. Instead of swimming down 
stream , your trying to swim up stream. That's why I say, or at least one 
reason I say, keep them as close to home as possible. Protect them and help 
them but don't try to change their lives with a new culture.

 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

   Re: "I find it cruel to uproot entire populations and plant them in a 
completely foreign culture."

 Mike, what are you trying to say here?  It's an odd statement to me.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Judy, the 18-19 Saudis that were responsible for 9/11 had been here for a 
while, some on student visas. Just because you have jihad on the mind doesn't 
mean you have to act immediately. 

 Terrorist cells can be *planted* and not activated for months or years. And 
then again, one can come here as a genuine refugee and be turned *to the dark 
side* later, as a number already have been.
 Does anyone ever ask why more Gulf States aren't taking in these refugees? 
They have the money and resources and they would be closer to home. One of the 
big tenants of Islam is charity. Why isn't Saudi Arabia, home of the prophet, 
guardian of the faith, doing their *fair share*? I find it cruel to uproot 
entire populations and plant them in a completely foreign culture. 

From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 8:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

   The point is, Mike, that th

Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-25 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Emily, there are about seven billion people in this world that would like to 
have a better life, that would like to have all the comforts that the United 
States has to offer, it's freedom, security and prosperity. It's not practical 
to keep taking in the worlds hardship cases. You can only water down the punch 
so much before it loses it's flavor and then nobody wants it because it has 
lost it's value. Just as everyone says that we can't be the world's policeman, 
we can't write the worlds welfare check either , be the world's *orphanage* or 
right every wrong. We have limited resources and close to twenty trillion 
dollar debt.
Your empathy seems to be limited to inviting hardship cases into your own home 
and taking care of them instead of helping them fix their own problems so that  
they can keep what is rightfully theirs. There is no *Life bankruptcy* 
solution. One doesn't throw in the towel and say let me start over in a another 
country that is better than mine, one that will meet my every need. I'm sorry 
that you haven't figured out the concept of *dharma*, the circumstance that 
life has dealt for  you at birth. You'll figure it out one day.BTW, nobody has 
yet to offer why the Gulf States,with all of their wealth has refused to take 
in the Syrian refugees. As I said , one of the Great Tenants of Islam is 
*charity*. Alms, alms, alms for the love of Allah! The Saudi's are the keepers 
of the faith. Hot Salami n sum bacon tu.
  From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 6:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
   
    Re: Re: "I find it cruel to uproot entire populations and plant them in a 
completely foreign culture."
It sounds like you think there is some terrorist conspiracy going to "uproot 
entire populations" in the middle east and "plant them" in the U.S and Europe.  
If the refugees were going to any of the countries in Africa, would you take 
the same position with as much vehemence as you have around refugees coming 
here? 
A "population" doesn't migrate on the scale that we've seen for kicks.  Who, 
pray tell, is *taking* them away from their homeland; seems to me the refugees 
are *choosing* to leave because they fear for their lives and families.  Of 
course they want to go to a country they assume can give them aid and a better 
life.  Wouldn't you?  
The best thing to do if you empathize with how stressful it could be and if you 
are worried about refugees adapting is to volunteer yourself to help and get 
involved.  They are coming and I doubt we're going to intern them in camps like 
we did the Japanese, when national paranoia took hold.  Make a difference Mike; 
you are heading into your twilight years - why sit around being an armchair 
politician? (P.S.  Remember, I never give advice to anyone that I don't give to 
myself as well.)
Oh, but your "dharma" and "karma" landed you here - lucky you!  Except that, of 
course, your ancestor's migrated here as well.  Why?  Were they being 
persecuted?  In search of a better life?  Starving back over there in Europe 
somewhere?  Not allowed to practice their religion?  Should they have stayed 
back in their "culture" and "close to home?" 
I have been looking up the meaning of the word "dharma."  Nowhere do I see a 
definition that indicates a human being should contain  one's life to within 
the boundaries of the "culture" and "religion" of the region they were born.  
Not even close.  Curiously, what definition are you using?   
Who, pray tell, is trying to "change their lives with a new culture?"  
Whaattt?!! Are you making any sense?  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Emily, seriously, what does it sound like to you? Have you ever heard the 
expression( I know you have) *there's no place like home*.Is it really wise and 
helpful to take people away from everything that they've known and experienced 
and throw them into something different? Some will adapt well and others not so 
well and refugee status is not an ideal way to learn. It's a stressful 
situation.The culture and  religion a person is born into is a part of their 
dharma, their evolutionary path in life. Forcing someone out of that, whether 
by coercion or predicament invites trouble for them. Instead of swimming down 
stream , your trying to swim up stream. That's why I say, or at least one 
reason I say, keep them as close to home as possible. Protect them and help 
them but don't try to change their lives with a new culture.


  From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
 
 Re: "I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-25 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Re: Re: "I find it cruel to uproot entire populations and plant them in a 
completely foreign culture." 

 It sounds like you think there is some terrorist conspiracy going to "uproot 
entire populations" in the middle east and "plant them" in the U.S and Europe.  
 

 If the refugees were going to any of the countries in Africa, would you take 
the same position with as much vehemence as you have around refugees coming 
here? 
 

 A "population" doesn't migrate on the scale that we've seen for kicks.  Who, 
pray tell, is *taking* them away from their homeland; seems to me the refugees 
are *choosing* to leave because they fear for their lives and families.  Of 
course they want to go to a country they assume can give them aid and a better 
life.  Wouldn't you?  
 

 The best thing to do if you empathize with how stressful it could be and if 
you are worried about refugees adapting is to volunteer yourself to help and 
get involved.  They are coming and I doubt we're going to intern them in camps 
like we did the Japanese, when national paranoia took hold.  Make a difference 
Mike; you are heading into your twilight years - why sit around being an 
armchair politician? (P.S.  Remember, I never give advice to anyone that I 
don't give to myself as well.)
 

 Oh, but your "dharma" and "karma" landed you here - lucky you!  Except that, 
of course, your ancestor's migrated here as well.  Why?  Were they being 
persecuted?  In search of a better life?  Starving back over there in Europe 
somewhere?  Not allowed to practice their religion?  Should they have stayed 
back in their "culture" and "close to home?" 
 

 I have been looking up the meaning of the word "dharma."  Nowhere do I see a 
definition that indicates a human being should contain  one's life to within 
the boundaries of the "culture" and "religion" of the region they were born.  
Not even close.  Curiously, what definition are you using?   
 

 Who, pray tell, is trying to "change their lives with a new culture?"  
 

 Whaattt?!! Are you making any sense?  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Emily, seriously, what does it sound like to you? Have you ever heard the 
expression( I know you have) *there's no place like home*.
 Is it really wise and helpful to take people away from everything that they've 
known and experienced and throw them into something different? Some will adapt 
well and others not so well and refugee status is not an ideal way to learn. 
It's a stressful situation.
 The culture and  religion a person is born into is a part of their dharma, 
their evolutionary path in life. Forcing someone out of that, whether by 
coercion or predicament invites trouble for them. Instead of swimming down 
stream , your trying to swim up stream. That's why I say, or at least one 
reason I say, keep them as close to home as possible. Protect them and help 
them but don't try to change their lives with a new culture.

 

 

 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
 
 
   Re: "I find it cruel to uproot entire populations and plant them in a 
completely foreign culture."
 

 Mike, what are you trying to say here?  It's an odd statement to me.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Judy, the 18-19 Saudis that were responsible for 9/11 had been here for a 
while, some on student visas. Just because you have jihad on the mind doesn't 
mean you have to act immediately. 

 Terrorist cells can be *planted* and not activated for months or years. And 
then again, one can come here as a genuine refugee and be turned *to the dark 
side* later, as a number already have been.
 Does anyone ever ask why more Gulf States aren't taking in these refugees? 
They have the money and resources and they would be closer to home. One of the 
big tenants of Islam is charity. Why isn't Saudi Arabia, home of the prophet, 
guardian of the faith, doing their *fair share*? I find it cruel to uproot 
entire populations and plant them in a completely foreign culture. 

From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 8:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
 
 
   The point is, Mike, that there are easier, quicker ways for jihadis to enter 
the country than as refugees. If they have mayhem on their minds, they're not 
going to want to wait around for a couple of years while the vetting process 
takes place just to take advantage of its potential shortcomings.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Emily, do you remember Dzhokhar and Tamerian Tsarnaev?
 I've done plenty of international travel. You sound pretty naive to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-25 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Whaat? Keeping Muslim refugees out isn't going to prevent terrorism here  
because Muslim extremists are already here. Do we want more? Just because a 
person has *refugee* or even immigrant status doesn't mean that they won't 
radicalize later. Case in point, Dzohkar and Tamarian Tsarnaev, a couple of 
immigrant kids that started identifying with their *roots*. There have been a 
number of other Somali immigrants or refugees that have returned to the 
middle-east to learn from ISIS.Look, the majority of refugees will come here 
with good intention and only a small percentage will turn out bad.There's no 
point in increasing the odds that we could be hit from within. I say , help the 
refugees but help them to stay closer to their homes safely, so they can return 
easily to rebuild when the time comes.

  From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 12:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
   
    The 9/11 attackers were here on student, business, or tourist visas. None 
of the terrorists motivated by extremist Islam since 9/11 committing attacks in 
the U.S. were refugees. Most were born here or were naturalized citizens.
IOW, keeping Muslim refugees out is exremely unlikely to prevent terrorism here.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Judy, the 18-19 Saudis that were responsible for 9/11 had been here for a 
while, some on student visas. Just because you have jihad on the mind doesn't 
mean you have to act immediately. 
Terrorist cells can be *planted* and not activated for months or years. And 
then again, one can come here as a genuine refugee and be turned *to the dark 
side* later, as a number already have been.Does anyone ever ask why more Gulf 
States aren't taking in these refugees? They have the money and resources and 
they would be closer to home. One of the big tenants of Islam is charity. Why 
isn't Saudi Arabia, home of the prophet, guardian of the faith, doing their 
*fair share*? I find it cruel to uproot entire populations and plant them in a 
completely foreign culture. 
From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 8:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
 
 The point is, Mike, that there are easier, quicker ways for jihadis to enter 
the country than as refugees. If they have mayhem on their minds, they're not 
going to want to wait around for a couple of years while the vetting process 
takes place just to take advantage of its potential shortcomings.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Emily, do you remember Dzhokhar and Tamerian Tsarnaev?I've done plenty of 
international travel. You sound pretty naive to me. You actually trust the 
government to completely vet all of  the refugees when they can't. The 
materials that they need are not available. Records from home towns and other 
government documents in Syria, including police records have been destroyed in 
the war or are not available. You don't think documents can be counterfeited? I 
have no doubt that there are agencies that claim that they can vet them but 
nobody knows how well it can be done. Hayam Dukham Anagatam.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-25 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Emily, seriously, what does it sound like to you? Have you ever heard the 
expression( I know you have) *there's no place like home*.Is it really wise and 
helpful to take people away from everything that they've known and experienced 
and throw them into something different? Some will adapt well and others not so 
well and refugee status is not an ideal way to learn. It's a stressful 
situation.The culture and  religion a person is born into is a part of their 
dharma, their evolutionary path in life. Forcing someone out of that, whether 
by coercion or predicament invites trouble for them. Instead of swimming down 
stream , your trying to swim up stream. That's why I say, or at least one 
reason I say, keep them as close to home as possible. Protect them and help 
them but don't try to change their lives with a new culture.


  From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
   
    Re: "I find it cruel to uproot entire populations and plant them in a 
completely foreign culture."
Mike, what are you trying to say here?  It's an odd statement to me.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Judy, the 18-19 Saudis that were responsible for 9/11 had been here for a 
while, some on student visas. Just because you have jihad on the mind doesn't 
mean you have to act immediately. 
Terrorist cells can be *planted* and not activated for months or years. And 
then again, one can come here as a genuine refugee and be turned *to the dark 
side* later, as a number already have been.Does anyone ever ask why more Gulf 
States aren't taking in these refugees? They have the money and resources and 
they would be closer to home. One of the big tenants of Islam is charity. Why 
isn't Saudi Arabia, home of the prophet, guardian of the faith, doing their 
*fair share*? I find it cruel to uproot entire populations and plant them in a 
completely foreign culture. 
From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 8:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
 
 The point is, Mike, that there are easier, quicker ways for jihadis to enter 
the country than as refugees. If they have mayhem on their minds, they're not 
going to want to wait around for a couple of years while the vetting process 
takes place just to take advantage of its potential shortcomings.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Emily, do you remember Dzhokhar and Tamerian Tsarnaev?I've done plenty of 
international travel. You sound pretty naive to me. You actually trust the 
government to completely vet all of  the refugees when they can't. The 
materials that they need are not available. Records from home towns and other 
government documents in Syria, including police records have been destroyed in 
the war or are not available. You don't think documents can be counterfeited? I 
have no doubt that there are agencies that claim that they can vet them but 
nobody knows how well it can be done. Hayam Dukham Anagatam.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-25 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

The 9/11 attackers were here on student, business, or tourist visas. None of 
the terrorists motivated by extremist Islam since 9/11 committing attacks in 
the U.S. were refugees. Most were born here or were naturalized citizens. 

 IOW, keeping Muslim refugees out is exremely unlikely to prevent terrorism 
here.
 

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Judy, the 18-19 Saudis that were responsible for 9/11 had been here for a 
while, some on student visas. Just because you have jihad on the mind doesn't 
mean you have to act immediately. 

 Terrorist cells can be *planted* and not activated for months or years. And 
then again, one can come here as a genuine refugee and be turned *to the dark 
side* later, as a number already have been.
 Does anyone ever ask why more Gulf States aren't taking in these refugees? 
They have the money and resources and they would be closer to home. One of the 
big tenants of Islam is charity. Why isn't Saudi Arabia, home of the prophet, 
guardian of the faith, doing their *fair share*? I find it cruel to uproot 
entire populations and plant them in a completely foreign culture. 

From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 8:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
 
 
   The point is, Mike, that there are easier, quicker ways for jihadis to enter 
the country than as refugees. If they have mayhem on their minds, they're not 
going to want to wait around for a couple of years while the vetting process 
takes place just to take advantage of its potential shortcomings.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Emily, do you remember Dzhokhar and Tamerian Tsarnaev?
 I've done plenty of international travel. You sound pretty naive to me. You 
actually trust the government to completely vet all of  the refugees when they 
can't. The materials that they need are not available. Records from home towns 
and other government documents in Syria, including police records have been 
destroyed in the war or are not available. You don't think documents can be 
counterfeited?
  I have no doubt that there are agencies that claim that they can vet them but 
nobody knows how well it can be done. Hayam Dukham Anagatam.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-25 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re: "I find it cruel to uproot entire populations and plant them in a 
completely foreign culture." 

 Mike, what are you trying to say here?  It's an odd statement to me.  
 

 No one is forced to go to a different country. I was listening to CBC radio 
news this morning and a Syrian family, two actually, who have been living in 
Lebanon for the last three years in a very modest refugee camp and were offered 
asylum in Canada recently, they were notified that they could come if they 
wanted. But they declined, citing a desire to stay closer to "home". So, while 
many welcome and seek the opportunity to live in different countries there are 
those who do not.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Judy, the 18-19 Saudis that were responsible for 9/11 had been here for a 
while, some on student visas. Just because you have jihad on the mind doesn't 
mean you have to act immediately. 

 Terrorist cells can be *planted* and not activated for months or years. And 
then again, one can come here as a genuine refugee and be turned *to the dark 
side* later, as a number already have been.
 Does anyone ever ask why more Gulf States aren't taking in these refugees? 
They have the money and resources and they would be closer to home. One of the 
big tenants of Islam is charity. Why isn't Saudi Arabia, home of the prophet, 
guardian of the faith, doing their *fair share*? I find it cruel to uproot 
entire populations and plant them in a completely foreign culture. 

From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 8:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
 
 
   The point is, Mike, that there are easier, quicker ways for jihadis to enter 
the country than as refugees. If they have mayhem on their minds, they're not 
going to want to wait around for a couple of years while the vetting process 
takes place just to take advantage of its potential shortcomings.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Emily, do you remember Dzhokhar and Tamerian Tsarnaev?
 I've done plenty of international travel. You sound pretty naive to me. You 
actually trust the government to completely vet all of  the refugees when they 
can't. The materials that they need are not available. Records from home towns 
and other government documents in Syria, including police records have been 
destroyed in the war or are not available. You don't think documents can be 
counterfeited?
  I have no doubt that there are agencies that claim that they can vet them but 
nobody knows how well it can be done. Hayam Dukham Anagatam.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-25 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Re: "I find it cruel to uproot entire populations and plant them in a 
completely foreign culture." 

 Mike, what are you trying to say here?  It's an odd statement to me.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Judy, the 18-19 Saudis that were responsible for 9/11 had been here for a 
while, some on student visas. Just because you have jihad on the mind doesn't 
mean you have to act immediately. 

 Terrorist cells can be *planted* and not activated for months or years. And 
then again, one can come here as a genuine refugee and be turned *to the dark 
side* later, as a number already have been.
 Does anyone ever ask why more Gulf States aren't taking in these refugees? 
They have the money and resources and they would be closer to home. One of the 
big tenants of Islam is charity. Why isn't Saudi Arabia, home of the prophet, 
guardian of the faith, doing their *fair share*? I find it cruel to uproot 
entire populations and plant them in a completely foreign culture. 

From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 8:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
 
 
   The point is, Mike, that there are easier, quicker ways for jihadis to enter 
the country than as refugees. If they have mayhem on their minds, they're not 
going to want to wait around for a couple of years while the vetting process 
takes place just to take advantage of its potential shortcomings.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Emily, do you remember Dzhokhar and Tamerian Tsarnaev?
 I've done plenty of international travel. You sound pretty naive to me. You 
actually trust the government to completely vet all of  the refugees when they 
can't. The materials that they need are not available. Records from home towns 
and other government documents in Syria, including police records have been 
destroyed in the war or are not available. You don't think documents can be 
counterfeited?
  I have no doubt that there are agencies that claim that they can vet them but 
nobody knows how well it can be done. Hayam Dukham Anagatam.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-25 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Judy, the 18-19 Saudis that were responsible for 9/11 had been here for a 
while, some on student visas. Just because you have jihad on the mind doesn't 
mean you have to act immediately. 
Terrorist cells can be *planted* and not activated for months or years. And 
then again, one can come here as a genuine refugee and be turned *to the dark 
side* later, as a number already have been.Does anyone ever ask why more Gulf 
States aren't taking in these refugees? They have the money and resources and 
they would be closer to home. One of the big tenants of Islam is charity. Why 
isn't Saudi Arabia, home of the prophet, guardian of the faith, doing their 
*fair share*? I find it cruel to uproot entire populations and plant them in a 
completely foreign culture. 
 From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 8:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
   
    The point is, Mike, that there are easier, quicker ways for jihadis to 
enter the country than as refugees. If they have mayhem on their minds, they're 
not going to want to wait around for a couple of years while the vetting 
process takes place just to take advantage of its potential shortcomings.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Emily, do you remember Dzhokhar and Tamerian Tsarnaev?I've done plenty of 
international travel. You sound pretty naive to me. You actually trust the 
government to completely vet all of  the refugees when they can't. The 
materials that they need are not available. Records from home towns and other 
government documents in Syria, including police records have been destroyed in 
the war or are not available. You don't think documents can be counterfeited? I 
have no doubt that there are agencies that claim that they can vet them but 
nobody knows how well it can be done. Hayam Dukham Anagatam.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-25 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

The point is, Mike, that there are easier, quicker ways for jihadis to enter 
the country than as refugees. If they have mayhem on their minds, they're not 
going to want to wait around for a couple of years while the vetting process 
takes place just to take advantage of its potential shortcomings.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Emily, do you remember Dzhokhar and Tamerian Tsarnaev?
 I've done plenty of international travel. You sound pretty naive to me. You 
actually trust the government to completely vet all of  the refugees when they 
can't. The materials that they need are not available. Records from home towns 
and other government documents in Syria, including police records have been 
destroyed in the war or are not available. You don't think documents can be 
counterfeited?
  I have no doubt that there are agencies that claim that they can vet them but 
nobody knows how well it can be done. Hayam Dukham Anagatam.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-23 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

One commentator I heard suggested that we put the refugees that come here to
the U.S. in refugee camps until they can be returned home. I can say that if I
was a refugee and fleeing the U.S. (which I'd like to do at times), I'd prefer
to be relocated to a relatively *safe* democracy with similar freedoms.
Secondly, with English spoken or one of the romance languages (easiest to pick
up) as the ability to communicate is key.

I don't think we're *forcing* them out of their environment; they're fleeing
their environment in search of a *safe* and "better" life—because the situation
is intolerable.

"Radicalizing" certainly could be, in part, because of disillusionment that
sets in, with the difficulty in leading a double life, culture-wise, perhaps
being a factor. Maybe a desire to feel like one's life has purpose that one
hasn't found here; anger at feeling as if one doesn't belong. Inability to
achieve the "ideal." Seems to me, given the angst I went through and answers I
searched for, in my teens and twenties, that that age group could be more
susceptible. I haven't actually read a lot on the factors that play into the
decision to radicalize and adopt a jihadist approach.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

We've had a number of *refugees*/ immigrants that have come here from
countries like Somalia that have returned to the middle- east and are accused
of training with ISIS or other terrorist organizations organizations. The same
is very common in Europe.Seemingly good people come and resettle and then go
*home* and get the training and then come back. It's thought that 4-5 thousand
have done so in Europe alone.
I think it better to help refugees by providing aid and keeping them in
similar cultures. Also helps to keep them in contact with their dharma. One's
family life , including their culture and religion are an aspect of their
dharma. Why force them out of that environment into something they aren't
familiar with?

From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

Well, Mike, I was teasing you. My sense of humor doesn't always translate
well to paper; you don't know me well. What I said was"Of course, it isn't
absolute all the time—that doesn't translate to "anyone can claim
anything.and get in"(what you said).

8 Facts About the U.S. Program to Resettle Syrian Refugees
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/20/8-facts-about-the-us-program-to-resettle-syrian-refugees

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/20/8-facts-about-the-us-program-to-resettle-syrian-refugees

8 Facts About the U.S. Program to Resettle Syrian...
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/20/8-facts-about-the-us-program-to-resettle-syrian-refugees
Among them, refugees have to pay back the money for the plane ticket that
brings them to the U.S.

View on www.usnews.com
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/20/8-facts-about-the-us-program-to-resettle-syrian-refugees
Preview by Yahoo

The Chechen brothers had been in the country for 10 years; the older one who
was the instigator and who basically "self-radicalized" here in the U.S., was
perhaps not much different from the other young men in the U.S. who we've seen
make the news who seem to think that mass murder is an acceptable option to
expressing their hopelessness about life, or who suffer from mental illness
that they can't get treated properly, or etc., etc.

Not the same thing at all

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Emily, do you remember Dzhokhar and Tamerian Tsarnaev?
I've done plenty of international travel. You sound pretty naive to me. You
actually trust the government to completely vet all of the refugees when they
can't. The materials that they need are not available. Records from home towns
and other government documents in Syria, including police records have been
destroyed in the war or are not available. You don't think documents can be
counterfeited?
I have no doubt that there are agencies that claim that they can vet them but
nobody knows how well it can be done. Hayam Dukham Anagatam.

From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

To combat the fear that letting in refugees is tantamount to letting in
active terrorists, here is the fact:

Of the Syrian refugees admitted so far, half are children, according to
administration officials http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2015/11/249613.htm.
The group is about 50/50 men and women, and about 2 percent are single men of
com

Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-23 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

THATS IT! LOL

  From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 9:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

LOL! I saw on my Facebook page that somebody had posted an Anglo - American guy 
dancing, Bollywood style, to some Punjabi folk music. He was quite good! It was 
at some outdoor festival and a number of Indians were looking on, seeming quite 
impressed. Wish I knew how to post it here.

Here's one, don't know if this is the same 
one.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3B_iRpsfjk

  From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 8:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
 
 On 11/22/2015 04:29 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

 > Hayam Dukham Anagatam

I may have to set that to some Bollywood style dance music. ;-)



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-23 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

We've had a number of *refugees*/ immigrants that have come here from countries 
like Somalia that have returned to the middle- east and are accused of training 
with ISIS or other terrorist organizations organizations. The same is very 
common in Europe.Seemingly good people come and resettle and then go *home* and 
get the training and then come back. It's thought that 4-5 thousand have done 
so in Europe alone. I think it better to help refugees by providing aid  and 
keeping them in similar cultures. Also helps to keep them in contact with their 
dharma. One's family life , including their culture and religion are an aspect 
of their dharma. Why force them out of that environment into something they 
aren't familiar with?

  From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 9:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
   
    Well, Mike, I was teasing you.  My sense of humor doesn't always translate 
well to paper; you don't know me well.  What I said was"Of course, it isn't 
absolute all the time—that doesn't translate to "anyone can claim 
anything.and get in"(what you said).
8 Facts About the U.S. Program to Resettle Syrian Refugees 
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||||   8 Facts About the U.S. Program to Resettle Syrian... 
 Among them, refugees have to pay back the money for the plane ticket that 
brings them to the U.S.||
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     The Chechen brothers had been in the country for 10 years; the older one 
who was the instigator and who basically "self-radicalized" here in the U.S., 
was perhaps not much different from the other young men in the U.S. who we've 
seen make the news who seem to think that mass murder is an acceptable option 
to expressing their hopelessness about life, or who suffer from mental illness 
that they can't get treated properly, or etc., etc.  
Not the same thing at all    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Emily, do you remember Dzhokhar and Tamerian Tsarnaev?I've done plenty of 
international travel. You sound pretty naive to me. You actually trust the 
government to completely vet all of  the refugees when they can't. The 
materials that they need are not available. Records from home towns and other 
government documents in Syria, including police records have been destroyed in 
the war or are not available. You don't think documents can be counterfeited? I 
have no doubt that there are agencies that claim that they can vet them but 
nobody knows how well it can be done. Hayam Dukham Anagatam.

  From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 6:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
 
 To combat the fear that letting in refugees is tantamount to letting in active 
terrorists, here is the fact:
Of the Syrian refugees admitted so far, half are children, according to 
administration officials. The group is about 50/50 men and women, and about 2 
percent are single men of combat age.
To correct the error that Obama plans to let in "a hundred thousand", here is 
the reality:

A few politicians and pundits have claimed that the administration wants to 
bring in as many as 250,000 Syrian refugees. That number has no basis in 
fact.Some reports seems to confuse the number of Syrian refugees the United 
States will accept with the number of worldwide refugees the United States will 
accept. Secretary of State John Kerry has said the United States will accept up 
to 85,000 refugees in fiscal year 2016 — up from 70,000 this year — and around 
100,000 in fiscal year 2017. Again, this is the total number of refugees from 
all over the world.To contrast the tone of what you mean by:
"The FBI is saying it is nearly impossible to thoroughly  vet these immigrants. 
Records that they would need to do so, are just not available to them. Anyone 
can claim anything at this point and get into a host country."

The reality is that the process is quite laborious and thorough (read article 
again for details on what it involves) and takes 1 to 2 years.  Of course, it 
isn't absolute all the time—that doesn't translate to "anyone can claim 
anything.and get in".  You seem to be pretty frightened to me; 
maybe some international travel would do you good.  

The head of the National Counterterrorism Center told Congress in October that 
the intelligence in Syria is "not as rich as we would like it to be," while FBI 
Director James Comey told Congress there are "gaps" in data 
availability.Challenges and gaps, however, don’t translate into "no ability" to 
vet at all."No system is foolproof. If we really wanted a foolproof system, we 
would shut down

Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-23 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 LOL! I saw on my Facebook page that somebody had posted an Anglo - American 
guy dancing, Bollywood style, to some Punjabi folk music. He was quite good! It 
was at some outdoor festival and a number of Indians were looking on, seeming 
quite impressed. Wish I knew how to post it here.

 

 Here's one, don't know if this is the same one.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3B_iRpsfjk 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3B_iRpsfjk

 

 From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 8:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
 
 
   On 11/22/2015 04:29 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] 
 wrote:
 > Hayam Dukham Anagatam
 I may have to set that to some Bollywood style dance music. ;-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-23 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

LOL! I saw on my Facebook page that somebody had posted an Anglo - American guy 
dancing, Bollywood style, to some Punjabi folk music. He was quite good! It was 
at some outdoor festival and a number of Indians were looking on, seeming quite 
impressed. Wish I knew how to post it here.

  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 8:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
   
    On 11/22/2015 04:29 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
> Hayam Dukham Anagatam
I may have to set that to some Bollywood style dance music. ;-)

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-23 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

You have to watch these guys, Emily. Suddenly the statement, "I am eating a
cherry lollipop" becomes "She insists on ordering cherry pie every time she
eats out."

8 Facts About the U.S. Program to Resettle Syrian Refugees
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/20/8-facts-about-the-us-program-to-resettle-syrian-refugees

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/20/8-facts-about-the-us-program-to-resettle-syrian-refugees

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-22 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Well, Mike, I was teasing you. My sense of humor doesn't always translate well
to paper; you don't know me well. What I said was"Of course, it isn't
absolute all the time—that doesn't translate to "anyone can claim
anything.and get in"(what you said).

8 Facts About the U.S. Program to Resettle Syrian Refugees
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/20/8-facts-about-the-us-program-to-resettle-syrian-refugees

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/20/8-facts-about-the-us-program-to-resettle-syrian-refugees

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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

To combat the fear that letting in refugees is tantamount to letting in
active terrorists, here is the fact:

To correct the error that Obama plans to let in "a hundred thousand", here is
the reality:

A few politicians
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/11/18/repeat-after-me-obama-is-not-admitting-10-20-or-25-syrian-refugees/
and pundits
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/26/sean-hannity/25-syrian-refugees-us-fact-check-trump-hannity/
have claimed that the administration wants to bring in as many as 250,000
Syrian refugees. That number has no basis in fact.
Some reports seems to confuse the number of Syrian refugees the United States
will accept with the number of worldwide refugees the United States will
accept. Secretary of State John Kerry has said the United States will accept up
to 85,000 refugees in fiscal year 2016 — up from 70,000 this year — and around
100,000 in fiscal year 2017. Again, this is the total number of refugees from
all over the world.
To contrast the tone of what you mean by:

"The FBI is saying it is nearly impossible to thoroughly vet these
immigrants. Records that they would need to do so, are just not available to
them. Anyone can claim anything at this point and get into a host country."

The reality is that the process is quite laborious and thorough (read article
again for details on what it involves) and takes 1 to 2 years. Of course, it
isn't absolute all the time—that doesn't translate to "anyone can claim
anything.and get in". You seem to be pretty frightened to me;
maybe some international travel would do you good.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-22 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

On 11/22/2015 04:29 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
> Hayam Dukham Anagatam
I may have to set that to some Bollywood style dance music. ;-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-22 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Emily, do you remember Dzhokhar and Tamerian Tsarnaev?I've done plenty of
international travel. You sound pretty naive to me. You actually trust the
government to completely vet all of the refugees when they can't. The
materials that they need are not available. Records from home towns and other
government documents in Syria, including police records have been destroyed in
the war or are not available. You don't think documents can be counterfeited? I
have no doubt that there are agencies that claim that they can vet them but
nobody knows how well it can be done. Hayam Dukham Anagatam.

From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

To combat the fear that letting in refugees is tantamount to letting in
active terrorists, here is the fact:
Of the Syrian refugees admitted so far, half are children, according to
administration officials. The group is about 50/50 men and women, and about 2
percent are single men of combat age.
To correct the error that Obama plans to let in "a hundred thousand", here is
the reality:

A few politicians and pundits have claimed that the administration wants to
bring in as many as 250,000 Syrian refugees. That number has no basis in
fact.Some reports seems to confuse the number of Syrian refugees the United
States will accept with the number of worldwide refugees the United States will
accept. Secretary of State John Kerry has said the United States will accept up
to 85,000 refugees in fiscal year 2016 — up from 70,000 this year — and around
100,000 in fiscal year 2017. Again, this is the total number of refugees from
all over the world.To contrast the tone of what you mean by:
"The FBI is saying it is nearly impossible to thoroughly vet these immigrants.
Records that they would need to do so, are just not available to them. Anyone
can claim anything at this point and get into a host country."

The head of the National Counterterrorism Center told Congress in October that
the intelligence in Syria is "not as rich as we would like it to be," while FBI
Director James Comey told Congress there are "gaps" in data
availability.Challenges and gaps, however, don’t translate into "no ability" to
vet at all."No system is foolproof. If we really wanted a foolproof system, we
would shut down immigration entirely," said David Martin, a University of
Virginia professor who’s previously held posts at DHS and the State Department.
"The alarm is way overblown."According to the State Department, Syrians tend to
have more identity documents than other refugee groups around the world, and
the reasons they give for missing documents (a bomb dropping on their house)
can be verified.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Emily, I don't think the Politico article refutes anything that I said below,
in fact confirms what I said. Obama wants to bring in more Refugees this year,
approximately 10,000 and many more over the next few years, that number
varies.The FBI says that they can not thoroughly vet them. The problem is that
many public records about the refugees just aren't available due to the civil
war.
From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

Mike, check your facts. You must be reading those "political rags that
contain lies to create fear in fear-based individuals" again. Politico here
addresses your inaccurate assumptions and statements below.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/19/politifact-sheet-5-questions-about-syrian-refugees/
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-21 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

On 11/21/2015 06:53 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@...
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
mailto:noozguru@... wrote :

So how many refugees have moved in down the street from you?

None, so far, and I highly doubt they will be moving down the street as I live
in the relative boonies.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/up-to-900-syrian-refugees-a-day-to-land-in-toronto-montreal-document-1.263http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/up-to-900-syrian-refugees-a-day-to-land-in-toronto-montreal-document-1.263

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/up-to-900-syrian-refugees-a-day-to-land-in-toronto-montreal-document-1.263

Ah, too bad. Sounds like your neighborhood could use some spicing up. :-D

You are correct about that. We have a lot of white bread residents, law abiding
Canadians taking dogs for walks and attending the local farmer's markets.
That's about it but I'll let you know when it gets a bit spicier around here.
I'm the spiciest one by far.

We're very multicultural here. I have probably "economic refugees" from China
who moved in across the street. Gave them directions one day on how to get to
the bus. Probably bought the house cash too. A family from Iraq runs a
"junk" store downtown. I drop in and chat with the owner from time to time. I
helped understand how to put in his security camera system. Iranians moved to
the Bay Area to flee religious persecution (a woman who cut my hair back in the
early 90s was from there). And of course we get tons of Mexicans but I was
just reading not so much anymore because it was getting more and more expensive
to slip across the border and the economy may be improving in Mexico.

On 11/20/2015 07:06 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@...
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/11/20/456680690/if-americans-move-to-canada-to-avoid-refugees-they-may-get-a-surprise

Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-21 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

To combat the fear that letting in refugees is tantamount to letting in active
terrorists, here is the fact:

To correct the error that Obama plans to let in "a hundred thousand", here is
the reality:

The head of the National Counterterrorism Center told
http://www.c-span.org/video/?328602-1/hearing-threats-facing-us Congress in
October that the intelligence in Syria is "not as rich as we would like it to
be," while FBI Director James Comey told Congress there are "gaps" in data
availability.
Challenges and gaps, however, don’t translate into "no ability
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/19/ben-carson/ben-carson-there-currently-no-ability-vet-syrian-r/";
to vet at all.
"No system is foolproof. If we really wanted a foolproof system, we would shut
down immigration entirely," said David Martin, a University of Virginia
professor who’s previously held posts at DHS and the State Department. "The
alarm is way overblown."
According to the State Department, Syrians tend to have more identity
documents than other refugee groups around the world, and the reasons they give
for missing documents (a bomb dropping on their house) can be verified.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/19/politifact-sheet-5-questions-about-syrian-refugees/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/19/politifact-sheet-5-que...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/19/politifact-sheet-5-questions-about-syrian-refugees/
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-21 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Emily, I don't think the Politico article refutes anything that I said below, 
in fact confirms what I said. Obama wants to bring in more Refugees this year, 
approximately 10,000 and many more over the next few years, that number 
varies.The FBI says that they can not thoroughly vet them. The problem is that  
many  public records about the refugees just aren't available due to the civil 
war.
 From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 9:38 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

    Mike, check your facts.  You must be reading those "political rags that 
contain lies to create fear in fear-based individuals" again.  Politico here 
addresses your inaccurate assumptions and statements below.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/19/politifact-sheet-5-questions-about-syrian-refugees/

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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

The article says the Obama administration has committed to taking 10,000 
refugees *this year*. It doesn't say anything about the hundred or so thousand 
he really intends to bring over the longer haul. I've been out of the loop for 
a few days but the last I heard is that 36 states are currently pleading not to 
take any, at least at this point. The FBI is saying it is nearly impossible to 
thoroughly  vet these immigrants. Records that they would need to do so, are 
just not available to them. Anyone can claim anything at this point and get 
into a host country. Hayam Duhkam Anagatam.(avoid the suffering before it 
comes). Yes, there will be some genuinely good people and there will be some, 
and probably fewer, genuinely evil and disgusting people to come. You don't 
threaten the security of a nation to show compassion for other less fortunate 
people.

  From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

 So how many refugees have moved in downthe street from you?

On 11/20/2015 07:06 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]wrote:

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/11/20/456680690/if-americans-move-to-canada-to-avoid-refugees-they-may-get-a-surprise

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-21 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

On 11/21/2015 06:36 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

The article says the Obama administration has committed to taking
10,000 refugees *this year*. It doesn't say anything about the hundred
or so thousand he really intends to bring over the longer haul. I've
been out of the loop for a few days but the last I heard is that 36
states are currently pleading not to take any, at least at this point.
The FBI is saying it is nearly impossible to thoroughly vet these
immigrants. Records that they would need to do so, are just not
available to them. Anyone can claim anything at this point and get
into a host country. Hayam Duhkam Anagatam.(avoid the suffering before
it comes). Yes, there will be some genuinely good people and there
will be some, and probably fewer, genuinely evil and disgusting people
to come. You don't threaten the security of a nation to show
compassion for other less fortunate people.

Says who? Everything comes with a price, with some sort of effect -
there are no free lunches. If taking in others who are needing refuge
means you put something at risk then that is what makes it an action
worth a little respect. Giving a beggar $100 because you are a multi
millionaire means nothing. Giving a beggar $100 when you are barely
surviving financially means something. What gives anyone the right to
close and lock the doors to an entire country, after all ! (and here
we come back to our ongoing discussion) every single white mo-fo in
the US was an immigrant and most, back in the days of the religious
persecutions in England (read Puritans), made their way to find
freedom from this persecution all the way to the Eastern shores of
what would later become Virginia.

Or looking to have their own plot of land. I don't think my Welsh
ancestors were fleeing persecution but probably more like young folks
who didn't want to compete with siblings over what land the parents had
to give them.

So, for you, or anybody else, to decide that once they are safely
inside the metaphorical door and there are ten more running to join
you in the house that you are going to quickly close the door and turn
the key is the height of hypocrisy. "Home of the brave and land of the
free"? Not on those terms.

*From:* "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]"

*To:* F! airfieldl...@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 11:49 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

So how many refugees have moved in down the street from you?

On 11/20/2015 07:06 AM, awoelflebater@... <mailto:awoelflebater@...>
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/11/20/456680690/if-americans-move-to-canada-to-avoid-refugees-they-may-get-a-surprise

Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-21 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]


On 11/21/2015 06:53 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

So how many refugees have moved in down the street from you?

None, so far, and I highly doubt they will be moving down the street 
as I live in the relative boonies.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/up-to-900-syrian-refugees-a-day-to-land-in-toronto-montreal-document-1.263




Ah, too bad.   Sounds like  your neighborhood could use some spicing up. 
:-D


We're very multicultural here.  I have probably "economic refugees" from 
China who moved in across the street.  Gave them directions one day on 
how to get to the bus.  Probably bought the house cash too. A family 
from Iraq runs a "junk" store downtown.  I drop in and chat with the 
owner from time to time. I helped understand how to put in his security 
camera system.  Iranians moved to the Bay Area to flee religious 
persecution (a woman who cut my hair back in the early 90s was from 
there).  And of course we get tons of Mexicans but I was just reading 
not so much anymore because it was getting more and more expensive to 
slip across the border and the economy may be improving in Mexico.


On 11/20/2015 07:06 AM, awoelflebater@...  
[FairfieldLife] wrote:




http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/11/20/456680690/if-americans-move-to-canada-to-avoid-refugees-they-may-get-a-surprise

Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-21 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Correction: "Politifact"

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/19/politifact-sheet-5-questions-about-syrian-refugees/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/19/politifact-sheet-5-que...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/19/politifact-sheet-5-questions-about-syrian-refugees/
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Preview by Yahoo

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

The article says the Obama administration has committed to taking 10,000
refugees *this year*. It doesn't say anything about the hundred or so thousand
he really intends to bring over the longer haul. I've been out of the loop for
a few days but the last I heard is that 36 states are currently pleading not to
take any, at least at this point. The FBI is saying it is nearly impossible to
thoroughly vet these immigrants. Records that they would need to do so, are
just not available to them. Anyone can claim anything at this point and get
into a host country. Hayam Duhkam Anagatam.(avoid the suffering before it
comes). Yes, there will be some genuinely good people and there will be some,
and probably fewer, genuinely evil and disgusting people to come. You don't
threaten the security of a nation to show compassion for other less fortunate
people.

From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

So how many refugees have moved in down the street from you?

On 11/20/2015 07:06 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@...
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/11/20/456680690/if-americans-move-to-canada-to-avoid-refugees-they-may-get-a-surprise

Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-21 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/19/politifact-sheet-5-questions-about-syrian-refugees/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/19/politifact-sheet-5-que...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/19/politifact-sheet-5-questions-about-syrian-refugees/
�

View on www.politifact.com
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/19/politifact-sheet-5-questions-about-syrian-refugees/

Preview by Yahoo

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

The article says the Obama administration has committed to taking 10,000
refugees *this year*. It doesn't say anything about the hundred or so thousand
he really intends to bring over the longer haul. I've been out of the loop for
a few days but the last I heard is that 36 states are currently pleading not to
take any, at least at this point. The FBI is saying it is nearly impossible to
thoroughly vet these immigrants. Records that they would need to do so, are
just not available to them. Anyone can claim anything at this point and get
into a host country. Hayam Duhkam Anagatam.(avoid the suffering before it
comes). Yes, there will be some genuinely good people and there will be some,
and probably fewer, genuinely evil and disgusting people to come. You don't
threaten the security of a nation to show compassion for other less fortunate
people.

From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

So how many refugees have moved in down the street from you?

On 11/20/2015 07:06 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@...
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/11/20/456680690/if-americans-move-to-canada-to-avoid-refugees-they-may-get-a-surprise

Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-21 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So how many refugees have moved in down the street from you?
 

 None, so far, and I highly doubt they will be moving down the street as I live 
in the relative boonies. 
 
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/up-to-900-syrian-refugees-a-day-to-land-in-toronto-montreal-document-1.263
 
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/up-to-900-syrian-refugees-a-day-to-land-in-toronto-montreal-document-1.263

 
 
 On 11/20/2015 07:06 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/11/20/456680690/if-americans-move-to-canada-to-avoid-refugees-they-may-get-a-surprise
 
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/11/20/456680690/if-americans-move-to-canada-to-avoid-refugees-they-may-get-a-surprise

Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-21 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

The article says the Obama administration has committed to taking 10,000
refugees *this year*. It doesn't say anything about the hundred or so thousand
he really intends to bring over the longer haul. I've been out of the loop for
a few days but the last I heard is that 36 states are currently pleading not to
take any, at least at this point. The FBI is saying it is nearly impossible to
thoroughly vet these immigrants. Records that they would need to do so, are
just not available to them. Anyone can claim anything at this point and get
into a host country. Hayam Duhkam Anagatam.(avoid the suffering before it
comes). Yes, there will be some genuinely good people and there will be some,
and probably fewer, genuinely evil and disgusting people to come. You don't
threaten the security of a nation to show compassion for other less fortunate
people.

Says who? Everything comes with a price, with some sort of effect - there are
no free lunches. If taking in others who are needing refuge means you put
something at risk then that is what makes it an action worth a little respect.
Giving a beggar $100 because you are a multi millionaire means nothing. Giving
a beggar $100 when you are barely surviving financially means something. What
gives anyone the right to close and lock the doors to an entire country, after
all (and here we come back to our ongoing discussion) every single white mo-fo
in the US was an immigrant and most, back in the days of the religious
persecutions in England (read Puritans), made their way to find freedom from
this persecution all the way to the Eastern shores of what would later become
Virginia.

So, for you, or anybody else, to decide that once they are safely inside the
metaphorical door and there are ten more running to join you in the house that
you are going to quickly close the door and turn the key is the height of
hypocrisy. "Home of the brave and land of the free"? Not on those terms.

From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

So how many refugees have moved in down the street from you?

On 11/20/2015 07:06 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@...
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/11/20/456680690/if-americans-move-to-canada-to-avoid-refugees-they-may-get-a-surprise

Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-20 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

The article says the Obama administration has committed to taking 10,000 
refugees *this year*. It doesn't say anything about the hundred or so thousand 
he really intends to bring over the longer haul. I've been out of the loop for 
a few days but the last I heard is that 36 states are currently pleading not to 
take any, at least at this point. The FBI is saying it is nearly impossible to 
thoroughly  vet these immigrants. Records that they would need to do so, are 
just not available to them. Anyone can claim anything at this point and get 
into a host country. Hayam Duhkam Anagatam.(avoid the suffering before it 
comes). Yes, there will be some genuinely good people and there will be some, 
and probably fewer, genuinely evil and disgusting people to come. You don't 
threaten the security of a nation to show compassion for other less fortunate 
people.

  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
   
 So how many refugees have moved in down the street from you?
 
 On 11/20/2015 07:06 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  


    
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-20 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]


So how many refugees have moved in down the street from you?

On 11/20/2015 07:06 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/11/20/456680690/if-americans-move-to-canada-to-avoid-refugees-they-may-get-a-surprise

[FairfieldLife] Oh Lord

2015-11-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/11/20/456680690/if-americans-move-to-canada-to-avoid-refugees-they-may-get-a-surprise
 
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/11/20/456680690/if-americans-move-to-canada-to-avoid-refugees-they-may-get-a-surprise

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