Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 8,000 Mayan YFers?

[Michael Jackson]

From my point of view, if the so called yogic flying was a effective as 
claimed, you would see the greatest effect at the epicenter, meaning closest 
to the flying group - this should mean over the years extraordinary results in 
Fairfield and Jefferson County or even all of Iowa - but it hasn't EVER 
happened. The TMO says that it has effects all over America but things stay 
the same in the local area? TMO has consistently said Ah, we had a great 
effect cause we said we had a great effect, believe us when we say we have a 
great effect and keep sending money so we can continue to have the grand 
effect that we say we are having.

There is another post here on FFL talking about the grand effect of the MExican 
group that refers to how well the government organized the event, how they 
brought the buses in on time - WTF!! If the Mexican government organized the 
event, why did the TMO ask for donations to pay for having everyone bused???

With or without a tinfoil hat, I can see these guys are wanting to continue to 
ride the gravy train - I look forward to the day that Tony, Bevan and all the 
rest are exposed for the frauds they are, the TMO folds, Marshys nevvies in 
India raid all the Movements assets leaving the TMO in ashes and Bevan and the 
boys have to make a living for themselves washing dishes or some other menial 
labor job, worrying how to pay the rent and utilities like the rest of us 
instead of living off the fat of the land in a global ashram paid for by others.





 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 2:43 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 
8,000 Mayan YFers?
 

  
Merry Christmas, MJ! ...wait, lemme secure the hat au foil de tin, prior to 
responding with substance...ok, set:

Yeah, it is tough to prove a negative. On the background of an always difficult 
world, how do you show evidence that something even worse didn't happen? As the 
French would say, impossible. lol

Over the last 60 years, there has been a lot of progress and a lot of conflict. 
Who to assign praise/blame to? I like the overall trend that more people are 
empowered to do what they want to, globally, even though it results these days 
in some terrific violence. 

Along with the potential for chaos, though, pervasive local, national, and 
global, communication, is also making it difficult to maintain the obsolete 
power structures of the past - e.g. the last US election secured, because of a 
YouTube video revealing the true nature of the loser. And secrets of any kind 
have become impossible to keep (WikiLeaks). How porous everything has become.

Is it the much vaunted Age of Enlightenment? Pretty obviously not, though now 
that things are breaking loose, in flux and in motion, we have half a chance in 
hell of getting there. :-)

ok, hat back on wig stand...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 I cannot dispute the numbers of flyers in India or Mexico cuz I am not there 
 - I wish with all my heart the things you say would have been or even would 
 be true, but the state of the world as it is is proof enough for me that the 
 effect of both group practice of TM and the yogic flying has been an utter 
 failure, not because of lack of numbers but simply because the stated effects 
 just aren't there - nearly 60 years is more than enough time for proof to 
 surface - it is all still just a promise of futures and I wouldn't buy them 
 from the TMO anymore than I would Bernie Madoff - but it woulda been nice if 
 it hadda been true
 
 
 
 
 
  From: srijau@... srijau@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 8:53 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 
 8,000 Mayan YFers?
 
 
   
 There are more than tens of thousands of students and pundits in India and 
 you will have no problem with the independent confirmation of that, indeed 
 the problems of the largest private educator in India and the legal disputes 
 over the land assets for future Pundit campuses have been raised in 
 Parliament; as well the extraordinary successes are everyday in the Indian 
 press for all to see as Maharishi Vidya Mandir students are constantly in or 
 at the top of educational competitions all the time. Yes there was some money 
 'wasted by Maharishi's way of dealing with the corruption of the permit 
 authorities in India by presenting them with a fait accompli instead of going 
 along with institutionalized bribery, but all kinds of financial safeguards 
 including detailed reporting and close donor supervision of expenditure have 
 been put in place now.
 The cost of buses meant that there could not be many Yogic Flyers to Monte 
 Alban and indeed it is unlikely one could even rent that many buses on short 
 notice

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 8,000 Mayan YFers?

[obbajeeba]

Posts like this, bring logic to the clarity achieved in taking time to sit and 
meditate.  :)  Thank you michael jackson.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 From my point of view, if the so called yogic flying was a effective as 
 claimed, you would see the greatest effect at the epicenter, meaning closest 
 to the flying group - this should mean over the years extraordinary results 
 in Fairfield and Jefferson County or even all of Iowa - but it hasn't EVER 
 happened. The TMO says that it has effects all over America but things stay 
 the same in the local area? TMO has consistently said Ah, we had a great 
 effect cause we said we had a great effect, believe us when we say we have a 
 great effect and keep sending money so we can continue to have the grand 
 effect that we say we are having.
 
 There is another post here on FFL talking about the grand effect of the 
 MExican group that refers to how well the government organized the event, how 
 they brought the buses in on time - WTF!! If the Mexican government organized 
 the event, why did the TMO ask for donations to pay for having everyone 
 bused???
 
 With or without a tinfoil hat, I can see these guys are wanting to continue 
 to ride the gravy train - I look forward to the day that Tony, Bevan and all 
 the rest are exposed for the frauds they are, the TMO folds, Marshys nevvies 
 in India raid all the Movements assets leaving the TMO in ashes and Bevan and 
 the boys have to make a living for themselves washing dishes or some other 
 menial labor job, worrying how to pay the rent and utilities like the rest of 
 us instead of living off the fat of the land in a global ashram paid for by 
 others.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 2:43 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 
 8,000 Mayan YFers?
  
 
   
 Merry Christmas, MJ! ...wait, lemme secure the hat au foil de tin, prior to 
 responding with substance...ok, set:
 
 Yeah, it is tough to prove a negative. On the background of an always 
 difficult world, how do you show evidence that something even worse didn't 
 happen? As the French would say, impossible. lol
 
 Over the last 60 years, there has been a lot of progress and a lot of 
 conflict. Who to assign praise/blame to? I like the overall trend that more 
 people are empowered to do what they want to, globally, even though it 
 results these days in some terrific violence. 
 
 Along with the potential for chaos, though, pervasive local, national, and 
 global, communication, is also making it difficult to maintain the obsolete 
 power structures of the past - e.g. the last US election secured, because of 
 a YouTube video revealing the true nature of the loser. And secrets of any 
 kind have become impossible to keep (WikiLeaks). How porous everything has 
 become.
 
 Is it the much vaunted Age of Enlightenment? Pretty obviously not, though now 
 that things are breaking loose, in flux and in motion, we have half a chance 
 in hell of getting there. :-)
 
 ok, hat back on wig stand...
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  I cannot dispute the numbers of flyers in India or Mexico cuz I am not 
  there - I wish with all my heart the things you say would have been or even 
  would be true, but the state of the world as it is is proof enough for me 
  that the effect of both group practice of TM and the yogic flying has 
  been an utter failure, not because of lack of numbers but simply because 
  the stated effects just aren't there - nearly 60 years is more than enough 
  time for proof to surface - it is all still just a promise of futures and I 
  wouldn't buy them from the TMO anymore than I would Bernie Madoff - but it 
  woulda been nice if it hadda been true
  
  
  
  
  
   From: srijau@ srijau@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 8:53 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 
  8,000 Mayan YFers?
  
  
    
  There are more than tens of thousands of students and pundits in India and 
  you will have no problem with the independent confirmation of that, indeed 
  the problems of the largest private educator in India and the legal 
  disputes over the land assets for future Pundit campuses have been raised 
  in Parliament; as well the extraordinary successes are everyday in the 
  Indian press for all to see as Maharishi Vidya Mandir students are 
  constantly in or at the top of educational competitions all the time. Yes 
  there was some money 'wasted by Maharishi's way of dealing with the 
  corruption of the permit authorities in India by presenting them with a 
  fait accompli instead of going along with institutionalized bribery, but 
  all kinds of financial

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 8,000 Mayan YFers?

[Michael Jackson]

I admit it was inspired - it came to me in meditation, so you are welcome.

 




 From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 9:51 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 
8,000 Mayan YFers?
 

  
Posts like this, bring logic to the clarity achieved in taking time to sit and 
meditate.  :)  Thank you michael jackson.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 From my point of view, if the so called yogic flying was a effective as 
 claimed, you would see the greatest effect at the epicenter, meaning closest 
 to the flying group - this should mean over the years extraordinary results 
 in Fairfield and Jefferson County or even all of Iowa - but it hasn't EVER 
 happened. The TMO says that it has effects all over America but things stay 
 the same in the local area? TMO has consistently said Ah, we had a great 
 effect cause we said we had a great effect, believe us when we say we have a 
 great effect and keep sending money so we can continue to have the grand 
 effect that we say we are having.
 
 There is another post here on FFL talking about the grand effect of the 
 MExican group that refers to how well the government organized the event, how 
 they brought the buses in on time - WTF!! If the Mexican government organized 
 the event, why did the TMO ask for donations to pay for having everyone 
 bused???
 
 With or without a tinfoil hat, I can see these guys are wanting to continue 
 to ride the gravy train - I look forward to the day that Tony, Bevan and all 
 the rest are exposed for the frauds they are, the TMO folds, Marshys nevvies 
 in India raid all the Movements assets leaving the TMO in ashes and Bevan and 
 the boys have to make a living for themselves washing dishes or some other 
 menial labor job, worrying how to pay the rent and utilities like the rest of 
 us instead of living off the fat of the land in a global ashram paid for by 
 others.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 2:43 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 
 8,000 Mayan YFers?
 
 
   
 Merry Christmas, MJ! ...wait, lemme secure the hat au foil de tin, prior to 
 responding with substance...ok, set:
 
 Yeah, it is tough to prove a negative. On the background of an always 
 difficult world, how do you show evidence that something even worse didn't 
 happen? As the French would say, impossible. lol
 
 Over the last 60 years, there has been a lot of progress and a lot of 
 conflict. Who to assign praise/blame to? I like the overall trend that more 
 people are empowered to do what they want to, globally, even though it 
 results these days in some terrific violence. 
 
 Along with the potential for chaos, though, pervasive local, national, and 
 global, communication, is also making it difficult to maintain the obsolete 
 power structures of the past - e.g. the last US election secured, because of 
 a YouTube video revealing the true nature of the loser. And secrets of any 
 kind have become impossible to keep (WikiLeaks). How porous everything has 
 become.
 
 Is it the much vaunted Age of Enlightenment? Pretty obviously not, though now 
 that things are breaking loose, in flux and in motion, we have half a chance 
 in hell of getting there. :-)
 
 ok, hat back on wig stand...
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  I cannot dispute the numbers of flyers in India or Mexico cuz I am not 
  there - I wish with all my heart the things you say would have been or even 
  would be true, but the state of the world as it is is proof enough for me 
  that the effect of both group practice of TM and the yogic flying has 
  been an utter failure, not because of lack of numbers but simply because 
  the stated effects just aren't there - nearly 60 years is more than enough 
  time for proof to surface - it is all still just a promise of futures and I 
  wouldn't buy them from the TMO anymore than I would Bernie Madoff - but it 
  woulda been nice if it hadda been true
  
  
  
  
  
   From: srijau@ srijau@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 8:53 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 
  8,000 Mayan YFers?
  
  
    
  There are more than tens of thousands of students and pundits in India and 
  you will have no problem with the independent confirmation of that, indeed 
  the problems of the largest private educator in India and the legal 
  disputes over the land assets for future Pundit campuses have been raised 
  in Parliament; as well the extraordinary successes are everyday in the 
  Indian press for all to see as Maharishi Vidya Mandir students

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 8,000 Mayan YFers?

[obbajeeba]

Yes. It kind of like one imagines one's desires. Then when something makes it 
possible to have a clearer mind, some try to harness it into a money pit.. a 
romantic money pit with crowns of glory and amrits on every vastu... sort of 
like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=sKns1uatyNgvq=medium

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 I admit it was inspired - it came to me in meditation, so you are welcome.
 
  
 
 
 
 
  From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 9:51 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 
 8,000 Mayan YFers?
  
 
   
 Posts like this, bring logic to the clarity achieved in taking time to sit 
 and meditate.  :)  Thank you michael jackson.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  From my point of view, if the so called yogic flying was a effective as 
  claimed, you would see the greatest effect at the epicenter, meaning 
  closest to the flying group - this should mean over the years extraordinary 
  results in Fairfield and Jefferson County or even all of Iowa - but it 
  hasn't EVER happened. The TMO says that it has effects all over America but 
  things stay the same in the local area? TMO has consistently said Ah, we 
  had a great effect cause we said we had a great effect, believe us when we 
  say we have a great effect and keep sending money so we can continue to 
  have the grand effect that we say we are having.
  
  There is another post here on FFL talking about the grand effect of the 
  MExican group that refers to how well the government organized the event, 
  how they brought the buses in on time - WTF!! If the Mexican government 
  organized the event, why did the TMO ask for donations to pay for having 
  everyone bused???
  
  With or without a tinfoil hat, I can see these guys are wanting to continue 
  to ride the gravy train - I look forward to the day that Tony, Bevan and 
  all the rest are exposed for the frauds they are, the TMO folds, Marshys 
  nevvies in India raid all the Movements assets leaving the TMO in ashes and 
  Bevan and the boys have to make a living for themselves washing dishes or 
  some other menial labor job, worrying how to pay the rent and utilities 
  like the rest of us instead of living off the fat of the land in a global 
  ashram paid for by others.
  
  
  
  
  
   From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 2:43 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 
  8,000 Mayan YFers?
  
  
    
  Merry Christmas, MJ! ...wait, lemme secure the hat au foil de tin, prior 
  to responding with substance...ok, set:
  
  Yeah, it is tough to prove a negative. On the background of an always 
  difficult world, how do you show evidence that something even worse didn't 
  happen? As the French would say, impossible. lol
  
  Over the last 60 years, there has been a lot of progress and a lot of 
  conflict. Who to assign praise/blame to? I like the overall trend that more 
  people are empowered to do what they want to, globally, even though it 
  results these days in some terrific violence. 
  
  Along with the potential for chaos, though, pervasive local, national, and 
  global, communication, is also making it difficult to maintain the obsolete 
  power structures of the past - e.g. the last US election secured, because 
  of a YouTube video revealing the true nature of the loser. And secrets of 
  any kind have become impossible to keep (WikiLeaks). How porous everything 
  has become.
  
  Is it the much vaunted Age of Enlightenment? Pretty obviously not, though 
  now that things are breaking loose, in flux and in motion, we have half a 
  chance in hell of getting there. :-)
  
  ok, hat back on wig stand...
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
  
   I cannot dispute the numbers of flyers in India or Mexico cuz I am not 
   there - I wish with all my heart the things you say would have been or 
   even would be true, but the state of the world as it is is proof enough 
   for me that the effect of both group practice of TM and the yogic 
   flying has been an utter failure, not because of lack of numbers but 
   simply because the stated effects just aren't there - nearly 60 years is 
   more than enough time for proof to surface - it is all still just a 
   promise of futures and I wouldn't buy them from the TMO anymore than I 
   would Bernie Madoff - but it woulda been nice if it hadda been true
   
   
   
   
   
From: srijau@ srijau@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 8:53 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 8,000 Mayan YFers?

[doctordumbass]

Yeah, the story that TM or TMSP automatically results in benefits is sort of a 
fake-out. I found this out by taking the practice at its word, so to speak, for 
years. And yet, it wasn't until later, when I did the hard work of examining 
what was being revealed to me, through meditation and the siddhis, that I began 
to integrate the benefits and really understand where the practices and results 
fit into my life.

So for a long time it hasn't been the story of the TMO or the beliefs in this 
or that, for me. After enough years I built up enough spiritual momentum so 
that the path became mine, alone. I continue to compare my experiences against 
that which I was told, or a particular framework or template I have come across 
(e.g. MMY's 7 SOC or the Kundalini Chakras). Unlike the past in which this 
would bring conflict as I was less sure of my self, now it brings clarity, as I 
am able to see my ongoing truth, as revealed by my experience, vs. whatever any 
spiritual master or text says.

Regarding the TMO, Bevan all of those people - just let them all go, and find 
your own truth, beyond any of it. As for their day of reckoning, dharmic 
balance, it is always inevitable with all of us, whether we are there to 
personally witness it of another. We all have to play by the same rules, even 
those who attempt to set themselves above the rules, for a little while.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 From my point of view, if the so called yogic flying was a effective as 
 claimed, you would see the greatest effect at the epicenter, meaning closest 
 to the flying group - this should mean over the years extraordinary results 
 in Fairfield and Jefferson County or even all of Iowa - but it hasn't EVER 
 happened. The TMO says that it has effects all over America but things stay 
 the same in the local area? TMO has consistently said Ah, we had a great 
 effect cause we said we had a great effect, believe us when we say we have a 
 great effect and keep sending money so we can continue to have the grand 
 effect that we say we are having.
 
 There is another post here on FFL talking about the grand effect of the 
 MExican group that refers to how well the government organized the event, how 
 they brought the buses in on time - WTF!! If the Mexican government organized 
 the event, why did the TMO ask for donations to pay for having everyone 
 bused???
 
 With or without a tinfoil hat, I can see these guys are wanting to continue 
 to ride the gravy train - I look forward to the day that Tony, Bevan and all 
 the rest are exposed for the frauds they are, the TMO folds, Marshys nevvies 
 in India raid all the Movements assets leaving the TMO in ashes and Bevan and 
 the boys have to make a living for themselves washing dishes or some other 
 menial labor job, worrying how to pay the rent and utilities like the rest of 
 us instead of living off the fat of the land in a global ashram paid for by 
 others.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 2:43 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 
 8,000 Mayan YFers?
  
 
   
 Merry Christmas, MJ! ...wait, lemme secure the hat au foil de tin, prior to 
 responding with substance...ok, set:
 
 Yeah, it is tough to prove a negative. On the background of an always 
 difficult world, how do you show evidence that something even worse didn't 
 happen? As the French would say, impossible. lol
 
 Over the last 60 years, there has been a lot of progress and a lot of 
 conflict. Who to assign praise/blame to? I like the overall trend that more 
 people are empowered to do what they want to, globally, even though it 
 results these days in some terrific violence. 
 
 Along with the potential for chaos, though, pervasive local, national, and 
 global, communication, is also making it difficult to maintain the obsolete 
 power structures of the past - e.g. the last US election secured, because of 
 a YouTube video revealing the true nature of the loser. And secrets of any 
 kind have become impossible to keep (WikiLeaks). How porous everything has 
 become.
 
 Is it the much vaunted Age of Enlightenment? Pretty obviously not, though now 
 that things are breaking loose, in flux and in motion, we have half a chance 
 in hell of getting there. :-)
 
 ok, hat back on wig stand...
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  I cannot dispute the numbers of flyers in India or Mexico cuz I am not 
  there - I wish with all my heart the things you say would have been or even 
  would be true, but the state of the world as it is is proof enough for me 
  that the effect of both group practice of TM and the yogic flying has 
  been an utter failure, not because of lack of numbers but simply because 
  the stated effects just aren't there - nearly 60 years

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 8,000 Mayan YFers?

[Michael Jackson]

But I'm so very enamored of the TMO in ashes...





 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 1:09 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 
8,000 Mayan YFers?
 

  
Yeah, the story that TM or TMSP automatically results in benefits is sort of a 
fake-out. I found this out by taking the practice at its word, so to speak, for 
years. And yet, it wasn't until later, when I did the hard work of examining 
what was being revealed to me, through meditation and the siddhis, that I began 
to integrate the benefits and really understand where the practices and results 
fit into my life.

So for a long time it hasn't been the story of the TMO or the beliefs in this 
or that, for me. After enough years I built up enough spiritual momentum so 
that the path became mine, alone. I continue to compare my experiences against 
that which I was told, or a particular framework or template I have come across 
(e.g. MMY's 7 SOC or the Kundalini Chakras). Unlike the past in which this 
would bring conflict as I was less sure of my self, now it brings clarity, as I 
am able to see my ongoing truth, as revealed by my experience, vs. whatever any 
spiritual master or text says.

Regarding the TMO, Bevan all of those people - just let them all go, and find 
your own truth, beyond any of it. As for their day of reckoning, dharmic 
balance, it is always inevitable with all of us, whether we are there to 
personally witness it of another. We all have to play by the same rules, even 
those who attempt to set themselves above the rules, for a little while.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 From my point of view, if the so called yogic flying was a effective as 
 claimed, you would see the greatest effect at the epicenter, meaning closest 
 to the flying group - this should mean over the years extraordinary results 
 in Fairfield and Jefferson County or even all of Iowa - but it hasn't EVER 
 happened. The TMO says that it has effects all over America but things stay 
 the same in the local area? TMO has consistently said Ah, we had a great 
 effect cause we said we had a great effect, believe us when we say we have a 
 great effect and keep sending money so we can continue to have the grand 
 effect that we say we are having.
 
 There is another post here on FFL talking about the grand effect of the 
 MExican group that refers to how well the government organized the event, how 
 they brought the buses in on time - WTF!! If the Mexican government organized 
 the event, why did the TMO ask for donations to pay for having everyone 
 bused???
 
 With or without a tinfoil hat, I can see these guys are wanting to continue 
 to ride the gravy train - I look forward to the day that Tony, Bevan and all 
 the rest are exposed for the frauds they are, the TMO folds, Marshys nevvies 
 in India raid all the Movements assets leaving the TMO in ashes and Bevan and 
 the boys have to make a living for themselves washing dishes or some other 
 menial labor job, worrying how to pay the rent and utilities like the rest of 
 us instead of living off the fat of the land in a global ashram paid for by 
 others.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 2:43 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 
 8,000 Mayan YFers?
 
 
   
 Merry Christmas, MJ! ...wait, lemme secure the hat au foil de tin, prior to 
 responding with substance...ok, set:
 
 Yeah, it is tough to prove a negative. On the background of an always 
 difficult world, how do you show evidence that something even worse didn't 
 happen? As the French would say, impossible. lol
 
 Over the last 60 years, there has been a lot of progress and a lot of 
 conflict. Who to assign praise/blame to? I like the overall trend that more 
 people are empowered to do what they want to, globally, even though it 
 results these days in some terrific violence. 
 
 Along with the potential for chaos, though, pervasive local, national, and 
 global, communication, is also making it difficult to maintain the obsolete 
 power structures of the past - e.g. the last US election secured, because of 
 a YouTube video revealing the true nature of the loser. And secrets of any 
 kind have become impossible to keep (WikiLeaks). How porous everything has 
 become.
 
 Is it the much vaunted Age of Enlightenment? Pretty obviously not, though now 
 that things are breaking loose, in flux and in motion, we have half a chance 
 in hell of getting there. :-)
 
 ok, hat back on wig stand...
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  I cannot dispute the numbers of flyers in India or Mexico cuz I am not 
  there - I wish with all my

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 8,000 Mayan YFers?

[doctordumbass]

...yep...:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 But I'm so very enamored of the TMO in ashes...
 
 
 
 
 
  From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 1:09 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 
 8,000 Mayan YFers?
  
 
   
 Yeah, the story that TM or TMSP automatically results in benefits is sort of 
 a fake-out. I found this out by taking the practice at its word, so to speak, 
 for years. And yet, it wasn't until later, when I did the hard work of 
 examining what was being revealed to me, through meditation and the siddhis, 
 that I began to integrate the benefits and really understand where the 
 practices and results fit into my life.
 
 So for a long time it hasn't been the story of the TMO or the beliefs in this 
 or that, for me. After enough years I built up enough spiritual momentum so 
 that the path became mine, alone. I continue to compare my experiences 
 against that which I was told, or a particular framework or template I have 
 come across (e.g. MMY's 7 SOC or the Kundalini Chakras). Unlike the past in 
 which this would bring conflict as I was less sure of my self, now it brings 
 clarity, as I am able to see my ongoing truth, as revealed by my experience, 
 vs. whatever any spiritual master or text says.
 
 Regarding the TMO, Bevan all of those people - just let them all go, and find 
 your own truth, beyond any of it. As for their day of reckoning, dharmic 
 balance, it is always inevitable with all of us, whether we are there to 
 personally witness it of another. We all have to play by the same rules, even 
 those who attempt to set themselves above the rules, for a little while.:-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  From my point of view, if the so called yogic flying was a effective as 
  claimed, you would see the greatest effect at the epicenter, meaning 
  closest to the flying group - this should mean over the years extraordinary 
  results in Fairfield and Jefferson County or even all of Iowa - but it 
  hasn't EVER happened. The TMO says that it has effects all over America but 
  things stay the same in the local area? TMO has consistently said Ah, we 
  had a great effect cause we said we had a great effect, believe us when we 
  say we have a great effect and keep sending money so we can continue to 
  have the grand effect that we say we are having.
  
  There is another post here on FFL talking about the grand effect of the 
  MExican group that refers to how well the government organized the event, 
  how they brought the buses in on time - WTF!! If the Mexican government 
  organized the event, why did the TMO ask for donations to pay for having 
  everyone bused???
  
  With or without a tinfoil hat, I can see these guys are wanting to continue 
  to ride the gravy train - I look forward to the day that Tony, Bevan and 
  all the rest are exposed for the frauds they are, the TMO folds, Marshys 
  nevvies in India raid all the Movements assets leaving the TMO in ashes and 
  Bevan and the boys have to make a living for themselves washing dishes or 
  some other menial labor job, worrying how to pay the rent and utilities 
  like the rest of us instead of living off the fat of the land in a global 
  ashram paid for by others.
  
  
  
  
  
   From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 2:43 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 
  8,000 Mayan YFers?
  
  
    
  Merry Christmas, MJ! ...wait, lemme secure the hat au foil de tin, prior 
  to responding with substance...ok, set:
  
  Yeah, it is tough to prove a negative. On the background of an always 
  difficult world, how do you show evidence that something even worse didn't 
  happen? As the French would say, impossible. lol
  
  Over the last 60 years, there has been a lot of progress and a lot of 
  conflict. Who to assign praise/blame to? I like the overall trend that more 
  people are empowered to do what they want to, globally, even though it 
  results these days in some terrific violence. 
  
  Along with the potential for chaos, though, pervasive local, national, and 
  global, communication, is also making it difficult to maintain the obsolete 
  power structures of the past - e.g. the last US election secured, because 
  of a YouTube video revealing the true nature of the loser. And secrets of 
  any kind have become impossible to keep (WikiLeaks). How porous everything 
  has become.
  
  Is it the much vaunted Age of Enlightenment? Pretty obviously not, though 
  now that things are breaking loose, in flux and in motion, we have half a 
  chance in hell of getting there. :-)
  
  ok, hat back on wig stand

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 8,000 Mayan YFers?

[srijau]

There are more than tens of thousands of students and pundits in India and you 
will have no problem with the independent confirmation of that, indeed the 
problems of the largest private educator in India and the legal disputes over 
the land assets for future Pundit campuses have been raised in Parliament; as 
well the extraordinary successes are everyday in the Indian press for all to 
see as Maharishi Vidya Mandir students are constantly in or at the top of 
educational competitions all the time. Yes there was some money 'wasted by 
Maharishi's way of dealing with the corruption of the permit authorities in 
India by presenting them with a fait accompli instead of going along with 
institutionalized bribery, but all kinds of financial safeguards including 
detailed reporting and close donor supervision of expenditure have been put in 
place now.
 The cost of buses meant that there could not be many Yogic Flyers to Monte 
Alban and indeed it is unlikely one could even rent that many buses on short 
notice. If there was not this many Tm-Sidhas students now in southern Mexico 
then the GCWP would be risking their credibility in terms of the Maharishi 
effect which is now claimed for central and south America. If crime, does not 
continue to fall quickly and other aspects of society not improve as well you 
would have every reason to doubt not the number of Yogic Flyers in education, 
military and industry but the Maharishi Effect itself. The proof is in the 
pudding and many outside the movement are already starting to comment that the 
pudding is tasting very sweet, satvic, blissful, peaceful, Heaven on Earth for 
all, the best Christmas and New Years gift ever, this time in perpetuity.
Jai Guru Dev.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 I finally found an article on this with photos, and they
 do nothing to eradicate my doubts about the veracity of
 the TM movement. 
 
 Has no one forgotten all of the claims of tens of thousands
 of pundits or students in Maharishi Schools in India, only
 to have people travel to the supposed locations and find
 them empty and deserted, with no people there and no 
 construction going on?
 
 That was my first thought when people started to bandy 
 about the claim of 8,000 students taught the TMSP in
 Oaxaca. I said to myself, I'll believe it when I see the
 photographs and can run them through crowd-estimation
 software.
 
 Well, this article has photos. As far as I can tell, the
 largest number of people in *any* of them is in the last
 photo on the page, an estimated 300 people max. So where
 are the other 7,700? 
 
 http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcastbroadcastid=366529

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 8,000 Mayan YFers?

[Michael Jackson]

I cannot dispute the numbers of flyers in India or Mexico cuz I am not there - 
I wish with all my heart the things you say would have been or even would be 
true, but the state of the world as it is is proof enough for me that the 
effect of both group practice of TM and the yogic flying has been an utter 
failure, not because of lack of numbers but simply because the stated effects 
just aren't there - nearly 60 years is more than enough time for proof to 
surface - it is all still just a promise of futures and I wouldn't buy them 
from the TMO anymore than I would Bernie Madoff - but it woulda been nice if it 
hadda been true





 From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 8:53 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 
8,000 Mayan YFers?
 

  
There are more than tens of thousands of students and pundits in India and you 
will have no problem with the independent confirmation of that, indeed the 
problems of the largest private educator in India and the legal disputes over 
the land assets for future Pundit campuses have been raised in Parliament; as 
well the extraordinary successes are everyday in the Indian press for all to 
see as Maharishi Vidya Mandir students are constantly in or at the top of 
educational competitions all the time. Yes there was some money 'wasted by 
Maharishi's way of dealing with the corruption of the permit authorities in 
India by presenting them with a fait accompli instead of going along with 
institutionalized bribery, but all kinds of financial safeguards including 
detailed reporting and close donor supervision of expenditure have been put in 
place now.
The cost of buses meant that there could not be many Yogic Flyers to Monte 
Alban and indeed it is unlikely one could even rent that many buses on short 
notice. If there was not this many Tm-Sidhas students now in southern Mexico 
then the GCWP would be risking their credibility in terms of the Maharishi 
effect which is now claimed for central and south America. If crime, does not 
continue to fall quickly and other aspects of society not improve as well you 
would have every reason to doubt not the number of Yogic Flyers in education, 
military and industry but the Maharishi Effect itself. The proof is in the 
pudding and many outside the movement are already starting to comment that the 
pudding is tasting very sweet, satvic, blissful, peaceful, Heaven on Earth for 
all, the best Christmas and New Years gift ever, this time in perpetuity.
Jai Guru Dev.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 I finally found an article on this with photos, and they
 do nothing to eradicate my doubts about the veracity of
 the TM movement. 
 
 Has no one forgotten all of the claims of tens of thousands
 of pundits or students in Maharishi Schools in India, only
 to have people travel to the supposed locations and find
 them empty and deserted, with no people there and no 
 construction going on?
 
 That was my first thought when people started to bandy 
 about the claim of 8,000 students taught the TMSP in
 Oaxaca. I said to myself, I'll believe it when I see the
 photographs and can run them through crowd-estimation
 software.
 
 Well, this article has photos. As far as I can tell, the
 largest number of people in *any* of them is in the last
 photo on the page, an estimated 300 people max. So where
 are the other 7,700? 
 
 http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcastbroadcastid=366529



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 8,000 Mayan YFers?

[Mike Dixon]

The sleeper has awakened!

 


 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 
8,000 Mayan YFers?
   
 
   
 
I cannot dispute the numbers of flyers in India or Mexico cuz I am not there - 
I wish with all my heart the things you say would have been or even would be 
true, but the state of the world as it is is proof enough for me that the 
effect of both group practice of TM and the yogic flying has been an utter 
failure, not because of lack of numbers but simply because the stated effects 
just aren't there - nearly 60 years is more than enough time for proof to 
surface - it is all still just a promise of futures and I wouldn't buy them 
from the TMO anymore than I would Bernie Madoff - but it woulda been nice if it 
hadda been true

 


 From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 8:53 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 
8,000 Mayan YFers?
   
  
There are more than tens of thousands of students and pundits in India and you 
will have no problem with the independent confirmation of that, indeed the 
problems of the largest private educator in India and the legal disputes over 
the land assets for future Pundit campuses have been raised in Parliament; as 
well the extraordinary successes are everyday in the Indian press for all to 
see as Maharishi Vidya Mandir students are constantly in or at the top of 
educational competitions all the time. Yes there was some money 'wasted by 
Maharishi's way of dealing with the corruption of the permit authorities in 
India by presenting them with a fait accompli instead of going along with 
institutionalized bribery, but all kinds of financial safeguards including 
detailed reporting and close donor supervision of expenditure have been put in 
place now. The cost of buses meant that there could not be many Yogic Flyers to 
Monte Alban and indeed it is unlikely one could
 even rent that many buses on short notice. If there was not this many 
Tm-Sidhas students now in southern Mexico then the GCWP would be risking their 
credibility in terms of the Maharishi effect which is now claimed for central 
and south America. If crime, does not continue to fall quickly and other 
aspects of society not improve as well you would have every reason to doubt not 
the number of Yogic Flyers in education, military and industry but the 
Maharishi Effect itself. The proof is in the pudding and many outside the 
movement are already starting to comment that the pudding is tasting very 
sweet, satvic, blissful, peaceful, Heaven on Earth for all, the best Christmas 
and New Years gift ever, this time in perpetuity. Jai Guru Dev.  --- In 
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:   I 
finally found an article on this with photos, and they  do nothing to 
eradicate my doubts about the veracity of  the TM movement.
 Has no one forgotten all of the claims of tens of thousands  of pundits or 
students in Maharishi Schools in India, only  to have people travel to the 
supposed locations and find  them empty and deserted, with no people there and 
no   construction going on?That was my first thought when people started 
to bandy   about the claim of 8,000 students taught the TMSP in  Oaxaca. I 
said to myself, I'll believe it when I see the  photographs and can run them 
through crowd-estimation  software.Well, this article has photos. As 
far as I can tell, the  largest number of people in *any* of them is in the 
last  photo on the page, an estimated 300 people max. So where  are the other 
7,700? 
http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcastbroadcastid=366529  
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 8,000 Mayan YFers?

[doctordumbass]

Merry Christmas, MJ! ...wait, lemme secure the hat au foil de tin, prior to 
responding with substance...ok, set:

Yeah, it is tough to prove a negative. On the background of an always difficult 
world, how do you show evidence that something even worse didn't happen? As the 
French would say, impossible. lol

Over the last 60 years, there has been a lot of progress and a lot of conflict. 
Who to assign praise/blame to? I like the overall trend that more people are 
empowered to do what they want to, globally, even though it results these days 
in some terrific violence. 

Along with the potential for chaos, though, pervasive local, national, and 
global, communication, is also making it difficult to maintain the obsolete 
power structures of the past - e.g. the last US election secured, because of a 
YouTube video revealing the true nature of the loser. And secrets of any kind 
have become impossible to keep (WikiLeaks). How porous everything has become.

Is it the much vaunted Age of Enlightenment? Pretty obviously not, though now 
that things are breaking loose, in flux and in motion, we have half a chance in 
hell of getting there. :-)

ok, hat back on wig stand...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 I cannot dispute the numbers of flyers in India or Mexico cuz I am not there 
 - I wish with all my heart the things you say would have been or even would 
 be true, but the state of the world as it is is proof enough for me that the 
 effect of both group practice of TM and the yogic flying has been an utter 
 failure, not because of lack of numbers but simply because the stated effects 
 just aren't there - nearly 60 years is more than enough time for proof to 
 surface - it is all still just a promise of futures and I wouldn't buy them 
 from the TMO anymore than I would Bernie Madoff - but it woulda been nice if 
 it hadda been true
 
 
 
 
 
  From: srijau@... srijau@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 8:53 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 
 8,000 Mayan YFers?
  
 
   
 There are more than tens of thousands of students and pundits in India and 
 you will have no problem with the independent confirmation of that, indeed 
 the problems of the largest private educator in India and the legal disputes 
 over the land assets for future Pundit campuses have been raised in 
 Parliament; as well the extraordinary successes are everyday in the Indian 
 press for all to see as Maharishi Vidya Mandir students are constantly in or 
 at the top of educational competitions all the time. Yes there was some money 
 'wasted by Maharishi's way of dealing with the corruption of the permit 
 authorities in India by presenting them with a fait accompli instead of going 
 along with institutionalized bribery, but all kinds of financial safeguards 
 including detailed reporting and close donor supervision of expenditure have 
 been put in place now.
 The cost of buses meant that there could not be many Yogic Flyers to Monte 
 Alban and indeed it is unlikely one could even rent that many buses on short 
 notice. If there was not this many Tm-Sidhas students now in southern Mexico 
 then the GCWP would be risking their credibility in terms of the Maharishi 
 effect which is now claimed for central and south America. If crime, does not 
 continue to fall quickly and other aspects of society not improve as well you 
 would have every reason to doubt not the number of Yogic Flyers in education, 
 military and industry but the Maharishi Effect itself. The proof is in the 
 pudding and many outside the movement are already starting to comment that 
 the pudding is tasting very sweet, satvic, blissful, peaceful, Heaven on 
 Earth for all, the best Christmas and New Years gift ever, this time in 
 perpetuity.
 Jai Guru Dev.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I finally found an article on this with photos, and they
  do nothing to eradicate my doubts about the veracity of
  the TM movement. 
  
  Has no one forgotten all of the claims of tens of thousands
  of pundits or students in Maharishi Schools in India, only
  to have people travel to the supposed locations and find
  them empty and deserted, with no people there and no 
  construction going on?
  
  That was my first thought when people started to bandy 
  about the claim of 8,000 students taught the TMSP in
  Oaxaca. I said to myself, I'll believe it when I see the
  photographs and can run them through crowd-estimation
  software.
  
  Well, this article has photos. As far as I can tell, the
  largest number of people in *any* of them is in the last
  photo on the page, an estimated 300 people max. So where
  are the other 7,700? 
  
  http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcastbroadcastid=366529
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 8,000 Mayan YFers?

[doctordumbass]

I always thought the way to give something instant credibility and power was to 
either praise it, or denigrate it. Instantly creates the object, with its 
values, that is apparently larger than the puny being either lauding or 
criticizing it. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 Now, Barry! Hits Christmas! Be nice (echos of my mother's voice when we 
 would fight around Christmas) 
 
 Echoes of my Old Man's voice if we fought at Christmas - clomp, clomp, clomp 
 (heavy foot steps) God damn it! Shhwooop! (sound of his belt coming out of 
 his belt loops) Goddamn it, come here so I can git a hold of you! Quit 
 fightin' goddamn it! Its Christmas.
 
 As to your remarks, I thought from previous articles/ news items about the 
 deal that it meant 8,000 spread out all over the state of Oaxaca, but I also 
 thought it was a bit generous estimate of the numbers of folk who had been 
 initiated there - seems like we would have heard about such numbers before 
 being initiated into TM and the Sidhis, they seemed to spring fully trained 
 into being much like Athena sprang fully grown for the brow of Zeus.
 
 Nevertheless, Merry Christmas to Bevan and Tony, Neil and Greg, Raja Luis and 
 all the other Rajas. I am sure they are all getting ready for the arrival of 
 Krishna Claus to slide into their east facing chimneys to leave copper pots 
 full of Celestial Amrit and copious amounts of gold as well. I am sure the 
 Rajas are making provision for the Celestial Mounts of Krishna Claus's to 
 have whatever passes for Celestial Reindeer chow, as well as leaving 
 something out for the apsarasa or gandharva elves who come with Krishna Claus 
 to burnish the Rajas crowns to a high sheen as they lay abed witnessing sleep.
 
 And a special Merry Christmas to David Lynch, I am sure Krishna Claus will 
 bring him an extra big sack full of Marlboros or whatever brand he is 
 addicted to - maybe K Claus will also bring him some sort of Harry Potterish 
 Foe Detector so no more baddies like David Seiveking can sneak up on him 
 again and sand bag him with requests for interviews.
 
 
 And of course Merry Christmas to all here in FFL, even be they Jewish and not 
 interested in baby Jesus and Santa.
 
 And Merry Christmas to all like Curtis, Barry and myself who have decided the 
 TMO is not Santa and won't be bringing world peace.
 
 Even tho I hurt my back a couple days ago (yeah its a typical Christmas for 
 me) I am off later today to visit w my adopted daughter and her ma, make 
 cookies (if I can stand up long enough) and then back tonight to my brother's 
 for a family gathering where he and his wife can't stand her brother and his 
 wife and so year after year they pretend they like each other and have each 
 other over for the obligatory family gathering. Momma (85 years old this 
 year) says if any crap starts she is gonna raise hell.
 
 Ahhh, Christmas! Makes me wish for Festivus.
 
 Merry Christmas everybody!
 
 Michael H. Jackson
 
 
 
 
  From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 5:36 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can anyone independently validate the claim of 8,000 
 Mayan YFers?
  
 
   
 I finally found an article on this with photos, and they
 do nothing to eradicate my doubts about the veracity of
 the TM movement. 
 
 Has no one forgotten all of the claims of tens of thousands
 of pundits or students in Maharishi Schools in India, only
 to have people travel to the supposed locations and find
 them empty and deserted, with no people there and no 
 construction going on?
 
 That was my first thought when people started to bandy 
 about the claim of 8,000 students taught the TMSP in
 Oaxaca. I said to myself, I'll believe it when I see the
 photographs and can run them through crowd-estimation
 software.
 
 Well, this article has photos. As far as I can tell, the
 largest number of people in *any* of them is in the last
 photo on the page, an estimated 300 people max. So where
 are the other 7,700? 
 
 http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcastbroadcastid=366529

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 8,000 Mayan YFers?

[doctordumbass]

...that was a bit dry - I'll remove the tinfoil hat for awhile...Merry 
Christmas too!!!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 I always thought the way to give something instant credibility and power was 
 to either praise it, or denigrate it. Instantly creates the object, with its 
 values, that is apparently larger than the puny being either lauding or 
 criticizing it. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  Now, Barry! Hits Christmas! Be nice (echos of my mother's voice when we 
  would fight around Christmas) 
  
  Echoes of my Old Man's voice if we fought at Christmas - clomp, clomp, 
  clomp (heavy foot steps) God damn it! Shhwooop! (sound of his belt coming 
  out of his belt loops) Goddamn it, come here so I can git a hold of you! 
  Quit fightin' goddamn it! Its Christmas.
  
  As to your remarks, I thought from previous articles/ news items about 
  the deal that it meant 8,000 spread out all over the state of Oaxaca, but I 
  also thought it was a bit generous estimate of the numbers of folk who had 
  been initiated there - seems like we would have heard about such numbers 
  before being initiated into TM and the Sidhis, they seemed to spring fully 
  trained into being much like Athena sprang fully grown for the brow of Zeus.
  
  Nevertheless, Merry Christmas to Bevan and Tony, Neil and Greg, Raja Luis 
  and all the other Rajas. I am sure they are all getting ready for the 
  arrival of Krishna Claus to slide into their east facing chimneys to leave 
  copper pots full of Celestial Amrit and copious amounts of gold as well. I 
  am sure the Rajas are making provision for the Celestial Mounts of Krishna 
  Claus's to have whatever passes for Celestial Reindeer chow, as well as 
  leaving something out for the apsarasa or gandharva elves who come with 
  Krishna Claus to burnish the Rajas crowns to a high sheen as they lay abed 
  witnessing sleep.
  
  And a special Merry Christmas to David Lynch, I am sure Krishna Claus will 
  bring him an extra big sack full of Marlboros or whatever brand he is 
  addicted to - maybe K Claus will also bring him some sort of Harry 
  Potterish Foe Detector so no more baddies like David Seiveking can sneak up 
  on him again and sand bag him with requests for interviews.
  
  
  And of course Merry Christmas to all here in FFL, even be they Jewish and 
  not interested in baby Jesus and Santa.
  
  And Merry Christmas to all like Curtis, Barry and myself who have decided 
  the TMO is not Santa and won't be bringing world peace.
  
  Even tho I hurt my back a couple days ago (yeah its a typical Christmas for 
  me) I am off later today to visit w my adopted daughter and her ma, make 
  cookies (if I can stand up long enough) and then back tonight to my 
  brother's for a family gathering where he and his wife can't stand her 
  brother and his wife and so year after year they pretend they like each 
  other and have each other over for the obligatory family gathering. Momma 
  (85 years old this year) says if any crap starts she is gonna raise hell.
  
  Ahhh, Christmas! Makes me wish for Festivus.
  
  Merry Christmas everybody!
  
  Michael H. Jackson
  
  
  
  
   From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 5:36 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can anyone independently validate the claim of 
  8,000 Mayan YFers?
   
  
    
  I finally found an article on this with photos, and they
  do nothing to eradicate my doubts about the veracity of
  the TM movement. 
  
  Has no one forgotten all of the claims of tens of thousands
  of pundits or students in Maharishi Schools in India, only
  to have people travel to the supposed locations and find
  them empty and deserted, with no people there and no 
  construction going on?
  
  That was my first thought when people started to bandy 
  about the claim of 8,000 students taught the TMSP in
  Oaxaca. I said to myself, I'll believe it when I see the
  photographs and can run them through crowd-estimation
  software.
  
  Well, this article has photos. As far as I can tell, the
  largest number of people in *any* of them is in the last
  photo on the page, an estimated 300 people max. So where
  are the other 7,700? 
  
  http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcastbroadcastid=366529
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 8,000 Mayan YFers?

[Michael Jackson]

Damn! I thought I was the only one of FFL that wore one of those!





 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 8:46 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 
8,000 Mayan YFers?
 

  
...that was a bit dry - I'll remove the tinfoil hat for awhile...Merry 
Christmas too!!!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 I always thought the way to give something instant credibility and power was 
 to either praise it, or denigrate it. Instantly creates the object, with its 
 values, that is apparently larger than the puny being either lauding or 
 criticizing it. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  Now, Barry! Hits Christmas! Be nice (echos of my mother's voice when we 
  would fight around Christmas) 
  
  Echoes of my Old Man's voice if we fought at Christmas - clomp, clomp, 
  clomp (heavy foot steps) God damn it! Shhwooop! (sound of his belt coming 
  out of his belt loops) Goddamn it, come here so I can git a hold of you! 
  Quit fightin' goddamn it! Its Christmas.
  
  As to your remarks, I thought from previous articles/ news items about 
  the deal that it meant 8,000 spread out all over the state of Oaxaca, but I 
  also thought it was a bit generous estimate of the numbers of folk who had 
  been initiated there - seems like we would have heard about such numbers 
  before being initiated into TM and the Sidhis, they seemed to spring fully 
  trained into being much like Athena sprang fully grown for the brow of Zeus.
  
  Nevertheless, Merry Christmas to Bevan and Tony, Neil and Greg, Raja Luis 
  and all the other Rajas. I am sure they are all getting ready for the 
  arrival of Krishna Claus to slide into their east facing chimneys to leave 
  copper pots full of Celestial Amrit and copious amounts of gold as well. I 
  am sure the Rajas are making provision for the Celestial Mounts of Krishna 
  Claus's to have whatever passes for Celestial Reindeer chow, as well as 
  leaving something out for the apsarasa or gandharva elves who come with 
  Krishna Claus to burnish the Rajas crowns to a high sheen as they lay abed 
  witnessing sleep.
  
  And a special Merry Christmas to David Lynch, I am sure Krishna Claus will 
  bring him an extra big sack full of Marlboros or whatever brand he is 
  addicted to - maybe K Claus will also bring him some sort of Harry 
  Potterish Foe Detector so no more baddies like David Seiveking can sneak up 
  on him again and sand bag him with requests for interviews.
  
  
  And of course Merry Christmas to all here in FFL, even be they Jewish and 
  not interested in baby Jesus and Santa.
  
  And Merry Christmas to all like Curtis, Barry and myself who have decided 
  the TMO is not Santa and won't be bringing world peace.
  
  Even tho I hurt my back a couple days ago (yeah its a typical Christmas for 
  me) I am off later today to visit w my adopted daughter and her ma, make 
  cookies (if I can stand up long enough) and then back tonight to my 
  brother's for a family gathering where he and his wife can't stand her 
  brother and his wife and so year after year they pretend they like each 
  other and have each other over for the obligatory family gathering. Momma 
  (85 years old this year) says if any crap starts she is gonna raise hell.
  
  Ahhh, Christmas! Makes me wish for Festivus.
  
  Merry Christmas everybody!
  
  Michael H. Jackson
  
  
  
  
   From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 5:36 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can anyone independently validate the claim of 
  8,000 Mayan YFers?
  
  
    
  I finally found an article on this with photos, and they
  do nothing to eradicate my doubts about the veracity of
  the TM movement. 
  
  Has no one forgotten all of the claims of tens of thousands
  of pundits or students in Maharishi Schools in India, only
  to have people travel to the supposed locations and find
  them empty and deserted, with no people there and no 
  construction going on?
  
  That was my first thought when people started to bandy 
  about the claim of 8,000 students taught the TMSP in
  Oaxaca. I said to myself, I'll believe it when I see the
  photographs and can run them through crowd-estimation
  software.
  
  Well, this article has photos. As far as I can tell, the
  largest number of people in *any* of them is in the last
  photo on the page, an estimated 300 people max. So where
  are the other 7,700? 
  
  http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcastbroadcastid=366529
 



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 8,000 Mayan YFers?

[doctordumbass]

If only we did this by video conference, I am sure quite a few of us would 
reveal our blinding and metallic presence.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 Damn! I thought I was the only one of FFL that wore one of those!
 
 
 
 
 
  From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 8:46 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of 
 8,000 Mayan YFers?
  
 
   
 ...that was a bit dry - I'll remove the tinfoil hat for awhile...Merry 
 Christmas too!!!
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I always thought the way to give something instant credibility and power 
  was to either praise it, or denigrate it. Instantly creates the object, 
  with its values, that is apparently larger than the puny being either 
  lauding or criticizing it. 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
  
   Now, Barry! Hits Christmas! Be nice (echos of my mother's voice when 
   we would fight around Christmas) 
   
   Echoes of my Old Man's voice if we fought at Christmas - clomp, clomp, 
   clomp (heavy foot steps) God damn it! Shhwooop! (sound of his belt 
   coming out of his belt loops) Goddamn it, come here so I can git a hold 
   of you! Quit fightin' goddamn it! Its Christmas.
   
   As to your remarks, I thought from previous articles/ news items about 
   the deal that it meant 8,000 spread out all over the state of Oaxaca, but 
   I also thought it was a bit generous estimate of the numbers of folk who 
   had been initiated there - seems like we would have heard about such 
   numbers before being initiated into TM and the Sidhis, they seemed to 
   spring fully trained into being much like Athena sprang fully grown for 
   the brow of Zeus.
   
   Nevertheless, Merry Christmas to Bevan and Tony, Neil and Greg, Raja Luis 
   and all the other Rajas. I am sure they are all getting ready for the 
   arrival of Krishna Claus to slide into their east facing chimneys to 
   leave copper pots full of Celestial Amrit and copious amounts of gold as 
   well. I am sure the Rajas are making provision for the Celestial Mounts 
   of Krishna Claus's to have whatever passes for Celestial Reindeer chow, 
   as well as leaving something out for the apsarasa or gandharva elves who 
   come with Krishna Claus to burnish the Rajas crowns to a high sheen as 
   they lay abed witnessing sleep.
   
   And a special Merry Christmas to David Lynch, I am sure Krishna Claus 
   will bring him an extra big sack full of Marlboros or whatever brand he 
   is addicted to - maybe K Claus will also bring him some sort of Harry 
   Potterish Foe Detector so no more baddies like David Seiveking can sneak 
   up on him again and sand bag him with requests for interviews.
   
   
   And of course Merry Christmas to all here in FFL, even be they Jewish and 
   not interested in baby Jesus and Santa.
   
   And Merry Christmas to all like Curtis, Barry and myself who have decided 
   the TMO is not Santa and won't be bringing world peace.
   
   Even tho I hurt my back a couple days ago (yeah its a typical Christmas 
   for me) I am off later today to visit w my adopted daughter and her ma, 
   make cookies (if I can stand up long enough) and then back tonight to my 
   brother's for a family gathering where he and his wife can't stand her 
   brother and his wife and so year after year they pretend they like each 
   other and have each other over for the obligatory family gathering. Momma 
   (85 years old this year) says if any crap starts she is gonna raise hell.
   
   Ahhh, Christmas! Makes me wish for Festivus.
   
   Merry Christmas everybody!
   
   Michael H. Jackson
   
   
   
   
From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 5:36 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can anyone independently validate the claim of 
   8,000 Mayan YFers?
   
   
     
   I finally found an article on this with photos, and they
   do nothing to eradicate my doubts about the veracity of
   the TM movement. 
   
   Has no one forgotten all of the claims of tens of thousands
   of pundits or students in Maharishi Schools in India, only
   to have people travel to the supposed locations and find
   them empty and deserted, with no people there and no 
   construction going on?
   
   That was my first thought when people started to bandy 
   about the claim of 8,000 students taught the TMSP in
   Oaxaca. I said to myself, I'll believe it when I see the
   photographs and can run them through crowd-estimation
   software.
   
   Well, this article has photos. As far as I can tell, the
   largest number of people in *any* of them is in the last
   photo on the page, an estimated 300 people max. So where
   are the other