Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital

2006-06-21 Thread Bhairitu
Rick Archer wrote:

It¹s working like a charm. I just bought a simple mono audio cable at Radio
Shack and connected the headphone jack on my cheap $9 Wal-Mart tape recorder
to the mic jack on the front of my PC. Using Audacity and with a little
fiddling with the volume, it was easy to record, edit, and save as MP3s.
Question: I can¹t hear what¹s being recorded as it¹s being recorded. I have
to play it back to hear what I¹ve got. How can I hear as I¹m recording?

You should be able to monitor the mic input.  On your PC open 
Start-Entertainment-Volume Control make sure the settings are right.
Also check the Preferences in Audacity.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital

2006-06-21 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital





on 6/21/06 8:48 PM, Bhairitu at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Rick Archer wrote:

Its working like a charm. I just bought a simple mono audio cable at Radio
Shack and connected the headphone jack on my cheap $9 Wal-Mart tape recorder
to the mic jack on the front of my PC. Using Audacity and with a little
fiddling with the volume, it was easy to record, edit, and save as MP3s.
Question: I cant hear whats being recorded as its being recorded. I have
to play it back to hear what Ive got. How can I hear as Im recording?

You should be able to monitor the mic input. On your PC open 
Start-Entertainment-Volume Control make sure the settings are right.
Also check the Preferences in Audacity.

 got it. Using the line in jack instead of the microphone jack and tweaking a few preferences did the trick.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital

2006-06-19 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks. I don¹t have an iPod and I¹d rather no buy one. Can I just go to
 Radio Shack and buy something that would let me patch my cheap tape recorder
 into my Mac or PC? If I accomplished that step, what software would I need
 to edit the audio tracks? QuickTime? Garage Band? Something else on the PC?

You just need the right audio cable. Different Macs have different audio I/O, 
though, so you 
need to check the specific stuff.  The PC tends to have more standard I/O on 
the low end. 
There's bunches of freeware/shareware that would do the trick on either 
platform. I'd ask on 
a platform-specific newsgroup.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital

2006-06-19 Thread Vaj


On Jun 18, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Rick Archer wrote:Thanks. I don’t have an iPod and I’d rather no buy one. Can I just go to Radio Shack and buy something that would let me patch my cheap tape recorder into my Mac or PC? If I accomplished that step, what software would I need to edit the audio tracks? QuickTime? Garage Band? Something else on the PC?It will depend on the Mac you have. Most Macs will have an audio input which is a single 1/8" stereo miniplug.  I digitized a lot of old tapes which were out of print and I went directly from the stereo RCA outputs of my cassette player to a 1/8 stereo miniplug I got at Radio Shack. Amadeus would work, but so would Garageband, which has a lot more sound modification options in it (Garageband 3). If you own Toast, you should also have an application which came with that which allows you to record from LP's and tapes and then split them into segments as you please. Amadeus will do the same thing. There is also a free MP3 editing utility, but I forget it's name--MP3 edit or something like that.If you don't have a sound input, then iMic is a good option--all it needs is a USB port. iMic also has software specifically for taking old tunes off of LP's and cassettes and then splitting them up. I got mine at Radio Shack for 30 USD. Hope that helps!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital

2006-06-19 Thread Bhairitu
sparaig wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

I¹m taking tabla lessons and I record them. How can I patch a regular analog
tape recorder into my Mac or PC so as to create mp3¹s of each separate
rhythm I¹m studying? What hardware and software do I need? Would I be better
off getting a digital tape recorder? Can in iPod serve as a digital tape
recorder? I¹d prefer to just use a regular tape recorder, as high fidelity
is not a priority.




You can use an iPod to record audio. It's not exactly great sound (its meant 
for taking 
memos), but it can be done. The main advantages are that its relatively cheap 
($30 for the 
microphone and no other equipment needed) and it plugs straight into a Mac or 
PC via the 
firewire/USB iPod link and iTunes software.

With any other solution, you need either an audio connector from the tape 
recorder to the 
audio-in jack or jacks with the right voltage/ohm rating, or a USB/firewire 
connector. 
Most/all modern tape recorders come with one or more of these though the Mac's 
microphone input may not be the consumer standard since Apple designs often 
assume 
that professional equipment is being used. You can also get USB/MIDI 
converters, etc.

Macs most likely have a 2K ohm mic input so they can be used with any 
consumer computer microphone.  If your experience in electronics goes 
back a few decades you'll realize that is much lower than older high 
impedance mics which were usually anything from 20K to 50K.  And higher 
than the professional balanced input 200-250 ohm low impedance.  I find 
that if they line output of a device doesn't work with the line-in it 
will with the mic in but you have to attenuate the level a bit (usually 
in the software).

Professional sound cards accommodate the balanced line in thought that 
is usually handled by the mixing board.  My card takes the line in from 
my mixing board.  But I use a PC as I had too much invested in software 
to switch ships.  Nowadays you can even get the DigiDesign stuff for the PC.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital

2006-06-19 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 sparaig wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
   
 
 I¹m taking tabla lessons and I record them. How can I patch a regular analog
 tape recorder into my Mac or PC so as to create mp3¹s of each separate
 rhythm I¹m studying? What hardware and software do I need? Would I be better
 off getting a digital tape recorder? Can in iPod serve as a digital tape
 recorder? I¹d prefer to just use a regular tape recorder, as high fidelity
 is not a priority.
 
 
 
 
 You can use an iPod to record audio. It's not exactly great sound (its meant 
 for taking 
 memos), but it can be done. The main advantages are that its relatively 
 cheap ($30 for 
the 
 microphone and no other equipment needed) and it plugs straight into a Mac 
 or PC via 
the 
 firewire/USB iPod link and iTunes software.
 
 With any other solution, you need either an audio connector from the tape 
 recorder to 
the 
 audio-in jack or jacks with the right voltage/ohm rating, or a USB/firewire 
 connector. 
 Most/all modern tape recorders come with one or more of these though the 
 Mac's 
 microphone input may not be the consumer standard since Apple designs often 
assume 
 that professional equipment is being used. You can also get USB/MIDI 
 converters, etc.
 
 Macs most likely have a 2K ohm mic input so they can be used with any 
 consumer computer microphone.  If your experience in electronics goes 
 back a few decades you'll realize that is much lower than older high 
 impedance mics which were usually anything from 20K to 50K.  And higher 
 than the professional balanced input 200-250 ohm low impedance.  I find 
 that if they line output of a device doesn't work with the line-in it 
 will with the mic in but you have to attenuate the level a bit (usually 
 in the software).
 

Sounds about right. ADHD that I am, I look up the specs, buy the right stuff 
and forget 
what exactly was needed since I only do it once per Mac or thereabouts.


 Professional sound cards accommodate the balanced line in thought that 
 is usually handled by the mixing board.  My card takes the line in from 
 my mixing board.  But I use a PC as I had too much invested in software 
 to switch ships.  Nowadays you can even get the DigiDesign stuff for the PC.


Nothing beats GarageBand, IMHO, on the low end. And Logic Pro is just about as 
good as 
it gets on the high end, as far as I can tell.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital

2006-06-19 Thread curtisdeltablues
Cool, geek audio talk!  I use a Motu digitizer into Sound Forge cuz I
don't multi-track and only need two stereo mikes.  I may move to Logic
someday if I decide to go with more mikes.

For live shows I use a stereo miked Sony mini disc recorder.  The
thing is tiny and holds a gig at CD quality.  It is overkill for
Rick's use but it works great.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
 
  sparaig wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:

  
  I¹m taking tabla lessons and I record them. How can I patch a
regular analog
  tape recorder into my Mac or PC so as to create mp3¹s of each
separate
  rhythm I¹m studying? What hardware and software do I need? Would
I be better
  off getting a digital tape recorder? Can in iPod serve as a
digital tape
  recorder? I¹d prefer to just use a regular tape recorder, as
high fidelity
  is not a priority.
  
  
  
  
  You can use an iPod to record audio. It's not exactly great sound
(its meant for taking 
  memos), but it can be done. The main advantages are that its
relatively cheap ($30 for 
 the 
  microphone and no other equipment needed) and it plugs straight
into a Mac or PC via 
 the 
  firewire/USB iPod link and iTunes software.
  
  With any other solution, you need either an audio connector from
the tape recorder to 
 the 
  audio-in jack or jacks with the right voltage/ohm rating, or a
USB/firewire connector. 
  Most/all modern tape recorders come with one or more of these
though the Mac's 
  microphone input may not be the consumer standard since Apple
designs often 
 assume 
  that professional equipment is being used. You can also get
USB/MIDI converters, etc.
  
  Macs most likely have a 2K ohm mic input so they can be used with any 
  consumer computer microphone.  If your experience in electronics goes 
  back a few decades you'll realize that is much lower than older high 
  impedance mics which were usually anything from 20K to 50K.  And
higher 
  than the professional balanced input 200-250 ohm low impedance.  I
find 
  that if they line output of a device doesn't work with the line-in it 
  will with the mic in but you have to attenuate the level a bit
(usually 
  in the software).
  
 
 Sounds about right. ADHD that I am, I look up the specs, buy the
right stuff and forget 
 what exactly was needed since I only do it once per Mac or thereabouts.
 
 
  Professional sound cards accommodate the balanced line in thought
that 
  is usually handled by the mixing board.  My card takes the line in
from 
  my mixing board.  But I use a PC as I had too much invested in
software 
  to switch ships.  Nowadays you can even get the DigiDesign stuff
for the PC.
 
 
 Nothing beats GarageBand, IMHO, on the low end. And Logic Pro is
just about as good as 
 it gets on the high end, as far as I can tell.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital

2006-06-19 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital





Its working like a charm. I just bought a simple mono audio cable at Radio Shack and connected the headphone jack on my cheap $9 Wal-Mart tape recorder to the mic jack on the front of my PC. Using Audacity and with a little fiddling with the volume, it was easy to record, edit, and save as MP3s. Question: I cant hear whats being recorded as its being recorded. I have to play it back to hear what Ive got. How can I hear as Im recording?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital

2006-06-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I¹m taking tabla lessons and I record them. How can I patch a regular analog
 tape recorder into my Mac or PC so as to create mp3¹s of each separate
 rhythm I¹m studying? What hardware and software do I need? Would I be better
 off getting a digital tape recorder? Can in iPod serve as a digital tape
 recorder? I¹d prefer to just use a regular tape recorder, as high fidelity
 is not a priority.


You can use an iPod to record audio. It's not exactly great sound (its meant 
for taking 
memos), but it can be done. The main advantages are that its relatively cheap 
($30 for the 
microphone and no other equipment needed) and it plugs straight into a Mac or 
PC via the 
firewire/USB iPod link and iTunes software.

With any other solution, you need either an audio connector from the tape 
recorder to the 
audio-in jack or jacks with the right voltage/ohm rating, or a USB/firewire 
connector. 
Most/all modern tape recorders come with one or more of these though the Mac's 
microphone input may not be the consumer standard since Apple designs often 
assume 
that professional equipment is being used. You can also get USB/MIDI 
converters, etc.

If you already have an iPod, I'd get the belkin microphone (or whatever else is 
available) 
and see if that suits your needs since it's plug and play and one-step to get 
it to work 
(iTunes will automatically upload any new audio files you've created on the 
iPod when you 
plug it into your Mac (or PC?)).






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital

2006-06-18 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital





Thanks. I dont have an iPod and Id rather no buy one. Can I just go to Radio Shack and buy something that would let me patch my cheap tape recorder into my Mac or PC? If I accomplished that step, what software would I need to edit the audio tracks? QuickTime? Garage Band? Something else on the PC?

on 6/18/06 9:09 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Im taking tabla lessons and I record them. How can I patch a regular analog
 tape recorder into my Mac or PC so as to create mp3s of each separate
 rhythm Im studying? What hardware and software do I need? Would I be better
 off getting a digital tape recorder? Can in iPod serve as a digital tape
 recorder? Id prefer to just use a regular tape recorder, as high fidelity
 is not a priority.


You can use an iPod to record audio. It's not exactly great sound (its meant for taking 
memos), but it can be done. The main advantages are that its relatively cheap ($30 for the 
microphone and no other equipment needed) and it plugs straight into a Mac or PC via the 
firewire/USB iPod link and iTunes software.

With any other solution, you need either an audio connector from the tape recorder to the 
audio-in jack or jacks with the right voltage/ohm rating, or a USB/firewire connector. 
Most/all modern tape recorders come with one or more of these though the Mac's 
microphone input may not be the consumer standard since Apple designs often assume 
that professional equipment is being used. You can also get USB/MIDI converters, etc.

If you already have an iPod, I'd get the belkin microphone (or whatever else is available) 
and see if that suits your needs since it's plug and play and one-step to get it to work 
(iTunes will automatically upload any new audio files you've created on the iPod when you 
plug it into your Mac (or PC?)).

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital

2006-06-18 Thread curtisdeltablues
I think you can use a line in cable that connects your headphone jack
of your recorder, to the mic jack on your computer.  You use your PC
recorder to make a wave file.  Most computer soundcards can record.It
will be a wave file though so you need a converter if you need it to
be MP3.  But for your purpose of listening to it on computer that wont
matter.  Has Vaj weighed in on this?  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks. I don¹t have an iPod and I¹d rather no buy one. Can I just go to
 Radio Shack and buy something that would let me patch my cheap tape
recorder
 into my Mac or PC? If I accomplished that step, what software would
I need
 to edit the audio tracks? QuickTime? Garage Band? Something else on
the PC?
 
 on 6/18/06 9:09 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
  , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
  
   I¹m taking tabla lessons and I record them. How can I patch a
regular
  analog
   tape recorder into my Mac or PC so as to create mp3¹s of each
separate
   rhythm I¹m studying? What hardware and software do I need?
Would I be
  better
   off getting a digital tape recorder? Can in iPod serve as a
digital tape
   recorder? I¹d prefer to just use a regular tape recorder, as
high fidelity
   is not a priority.
  
  
  You can use an iPod to record audio. It's not exactly great sound
(its meant
  for taking 
  memos), but it can be done. The main advantages are that its
relatively cheap
  ($30 for the 
  microphone and no other equipment needed) and it plugs straight
into a Mac or
  PC via the 
  firewire/USB iPod link and iTunes software.
  
  With any other solution, you need either an audio connector from
the tape
  recorder to the 
  audio-in jack or jacks with the right voltage/ohm rating, or a
USB/firewire
  connector. 
  Most/all modern tape recorders come with one or more of these
though the Mac's
  microphone input may not be the consumer standard since Apple
designs often
  assume 
  that professional equipment is being used. You can also get USB/MIDI
  converters, etc.
  
  If you already have an iPod, I'd get the belkin microphone (or
whatever else
  is available) 
  and see if that suits your needs since it's plug and play and
one-step to get
  it to work 
  (iTunes will automatically upload any new audio files you've
created on the
  iPod when you 
  plug it into your Mac (or PC?)).







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital

2006-06-18 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital





on 6/18/06 10:42 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think you can use a line in cable that connects your headphone jack
of your recorder, to the mic jack on your computer. You use your PC
recorder to make a wave file. Most computer soundcards can record.It
will be a wave file though so you need a converter if you need it to
be MP3. But for your purpose of listening to it on computer that wont
matter. Has Vaj weighed in on this? 

Not yet. So just a simple cable. The signal doesnt have to be converted in any way? What software can I use to chop the recording up into segments (separate rhythms Im learning)?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital

2006-06-18 Thread curtisdeltablues
Have you ever used the PC recorder from your built-in computer mic? 
The line in uses the same system.  But is may be too short a recording
for your needs.  To split it up you do need some audio editing
software.  I use Sound Forge but that is overkill for your needs here.  
There must be some shareware that does it.  Not much help, sorry!



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 on 6/18/06 10:42 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I think you can use a line in cable that connects your headphone jack
  of your recorder, to the mic jack on your computer.  You use your PC
  recorder to make a wave file.  Most computer soundcards can record.It
  will be a wave file though so you need a converter if you need it to
  be MP3.  But for your purpose of listening to it on computer that wont
  matter.  Has Vaj weighed in on this?
  
 Not yet. So just a simple cable. The signal doesn¹t have to be
converted in
 any way? What software can I use to chop the recording up into segments
 (separate rhythms I¹m learning)?








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital

2006-06-18 Thread at_man_and_brahman
Get Amadeus, first off.

Then, a quick-n-dirty a/d converter is the iMic. I use a superior Edirol UA-1A 
connected to 
a mixing board. 

On your Mac, create a new user that has no haxies running. Run Amadeus from 
that 
personality so that your hard drive is as unbusy as possible while you are 
recording. You'll 
get the cleanest result if you can record onto a reformatted hard drive other 
than the one 
with your OS, ideally with 8M of ram cache.

Normalize your Amadeus recording and then break it up into segments for 
conversion to 
separate mp3s.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 6/18/06 10:42 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I think you can use a line in cable that connects your headphone jack
  of your recorder, to the mic jack on your computer.  You use your PC
  recorder to make a wave file.  Most computer soundcards can record.It
  will be a wave file though so you need a converter if you need it to
  be MP3.  But for your purpose of listening to it on computer that wont
  matter.  Has Vaj weighed in on this?
  
 Not yet. So just a simple cable. The signal doesn¹t have to be converted in
 any way? What software can I use to chop the recording up into segments
 (separate rhythms I¹m learning)?







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