RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vlodrop108 Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 5:20 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My guess is that Deepak was telling the truth, with some embellishment and fuzziness do to lapse of time, and GM (Girish Momaya?) is trying to whitewash it for posterity. GM is definitely not Girish Momaya. Girish is not an MD! You’re right. I realized later that it was Mahapatra. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1307 - Release Date: 3/2/2008 3:59 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My guess is that Deepak was telling the truth, with some embellishment and fuzziness do to lapse of time, and GM (Girish Momaya?) is trying to whitewash it for posterity. GM is definitely not Girish Momaya. Girish is not an MD!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
FFL #166999, a later post, said the following: XXX was just here. We both agreed that Dr. Mahapatra is probably the Dr GM referred to in the email disputing what Chopra said about MMY in London, etc. He fits the description exactly. He was MMY's personal physician (or that's how he describes himself) and was the manager of the 8000 boy pundits and other things mentioned. We both agree that when he told us about Maharishi's heart attack and treatment in London, that he didn't seem to have all the details, he just knew it happened. Mahapatra, not Momaya. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vlodrop108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer rick@ wrote: My guess is that Deepak was telling the truth, with some embellishment and fuzziness do to lapse of time, and GM (Girish Momaya?) is trying to whitewash it for posterity. GM is definitely not Girish Momaya. Girish is not an MD!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
The many European and American Hindu TM teachers didn't become 'HIndu' from practicing TM. Rather, the relatively few teachers that continued to follow MMY affected a 'HIndu' appearance. The vast majority of teachers refused the change, and left the movement. MMY cast a wide net initially. A large pool of fish were drawn to him. Nearly all escaped, except for a few fish, from whom he extracted ever-increasing levels of commitment of time and resources. Those who continued with MMY abandoned the idea of a universal appeal of TM as a technique for everyone, and bought into the idea of narcissistic self-importance. MMY sequentially unwrapped ever-more overtly 'HIndu' gifts, at ever-more expensive prices. The TMO became totally dependent upon fewer and fewer persons financially, while simultaneously it became irrelevant to the larger world. When did MMY ever spell out clearly that it (Ayurveda) isn't perfect and that all the advice of the ancient sages and gods of Ayurveda should be taken with a grain of salt? He always let it be known that when he re-enlivened Ayurveda, he virtually perfected it. Long, long life, in the direction of Immortality. How many times did we hear that, pray tell? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: So, someone in the movement acknowledges that MMY in the 1990s had a serious illness that required an allopathic medicine intervention ? Its about time. So many movement people died for bias against allopathic medical care. So many names that come to mind- you can fill in the blanks. I think those deaths had a huge negative impact on the movement, which was busy was raking in mega bucks from products they sold as replacing modern healthcare. So sad that people arrogantly denied the benefits of allopathic medicine, and died as a result. I wouldn't doubt for a second that this is the case, but y'know, MMY always told people to stick to the religion they learned at their mother's knee and not try to become Hindu, and he resisted the call to Hinduize the TMO for a very long time after he made the initial decision to make it a non-denominational spiritual organization, and look how many American and European Hindu TM teachers there are. People want a perfect system, even while nodding sagely at teaching stories from said perfect system that spell out clearly that it isn't perfect and that all the advice of the ancient sages and gods of Ayurveda should be taken with a grain of salt. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
Larry wrote:(Hopefully) One last blovial blast of hot air - - - When observers are gathered in His Name - aka gathered in TC, then they all have the same initial distinction of Self - and therefore identical distinctions of non self - then there is nothing but Truth, but they won't agree on it by force of habit. Edg: Hmmm, your meaning works, but hey, try this: I'm thinking Christ was talking to non-enlightened folks and assuring them that a good intent creates the scenario for transcendence -- or as TMers would say, The Maharishi Effect, created by a few in a dome, provides the entire world with that scenario. Christ said that even the rocks would cry out if He stopped preaching, so maybe all it takes is for one person and a couple stones to be together, and, voila, one is enwrapped in being. Those stones must be pretty pure souls to keep themselves stoney for up to billions of years, eh? Yep, they just might be the perfect worship-partners. Edg PS You said: As you may have heard, we (Madison WI) are expected to get 6-8 more inches of snow on Sunday - - that will put us over 2x the average for the whole season. A few years back I picked up a used snowblower, my plan is for it to have the heart attack before me. I say: I'm a trikkerman, so this year's worst of all winters for Madison ever has hit me hard, but, get this, shoveling has kept me fit -- must have shoveled on average two-three times a week for about 45 minutes each time -- that's a workout! Don't let that snowblower have all the fun! Edg L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Matthew 18:18-20 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Larry, What we have here is a failure to communicate. Any egoic projection fits your views, below, but pure truth seemingly IS available whenever two or three are specifically gathered for the purpose of discovering it. Not that they will find it, mind you, the promise is that it is there -- presumably those with deep intent can REALIZE it H, let's see now, how many are gathered here today? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Larry inmadison@ wrote: Thinking back now, I should have included a smily face, then it wouldn't have come off as such a wild ass axiom - but too late now. What I should have said was: If you have two or more observers, you can not have Truth. As each observer distinguishs self - what lies outside of that first distinction is everything else, which includes the other observers. So, for each observer, what lies 'outside' that first distinction is different because it includes the other observers. Let's ask a basic question . . . is the car red? Well, what makes the car red is exactly the same as what makes it not red. For example, we can pick out a candle because of its bundle of properties, including the space it occupies. We can make the distinction of 'the candle' because there is a 'not candle' to dintinguish it from. The dintinction between the candle and 'not candle' is the same distinction - it's the same boundary. Sort of like my grandfather who used to bug me with questions like: Does the mortar keep the bricks apart, or does keep them together? So getting back to the car . . two or more observers can not equally dintguish the car, because the 'not car' distinction includes the other observers . . so therefore, the distinction of the car will also be different between observers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: Really? How do you figure?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The many European and American Hindu TM teachers didn't become 'HIndu' from practicing TM. Rather, the relatively few teachers that continued to follow MMY affected a 'HIndu' appearance. The vast majority of teachers refused the change, and left the movement. MMY cast a wide net initially. A large pool of fish were drawn to him. Nearly all escaped, except for a few fish, from whom he extracted ever-increasing levels of commitment of time and resources. Those who continued with MMY abandoned the idea of a universal appeal of TM as a technique for everyone, and bought into the idea of narcissistic self-importance. MMY sequentially unwrapped ever-more overtly 'HIndu' gifts, at ever-more expensive prices. The TMO became totally dependent upon fewer and fewer persons financially, while simultaneously it became irrelevant to the larger world. When did MMY ever spell out clearly that it (Ayurveda) isn't perfect and that all the advice of the ancient sages and gods of Ayurveda should be taken with a grain of salt? He always let it be known that when he re-enlivened Ayurveda, he virtually perfected it. Long, long life, in the direction of Immortality. How many times did we hear that, pray tell? Are you floating during Yogic FLying practice? Its been made clear many times that floating is a measure of progress towards immortality (if it be possible to quote MMY). And, more TM teachers left the TMO because they were NOTallowed to be full Hindus, I think. The Rajas thing isn't terribly hindu save on the surface. Lawson
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
Well, we've got at least two versions of the events. This does not tell us
that either version corresponds to the facts, however. Medical records can be
falsified--and I've seen this done on more than one occasion. So the medical
records would not necessarily tell us the truth either. And if we can see how
difficult it is to get at the truth in this scenario, then what makes us think
the official version of history that we learn in school is true?
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From: ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:20:47 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The
Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Dick Mays [EMAIL
PROTECTED] . wrote:
Please note that Dr G M is an outstanding Indian Governor
responsible for single-handedly creating the first group of 8,000
pundits in India. He is a Maharishi-trained TM-Sidhi instructor and
teacher of Advanced Techniques.
Farrokh Ruffina
Dear Friends:
I am an Indian physician who was Maharishiji' s personal physician at
the time that Dr Deepak Chopra was assisting Maharishiji in England,
as per his article entitled The Maharishi Years - the Untold Story.
I must inform you that his article is replete with untruths and
inaccuracies. I was at Maharishiji' s side during the entire
incident. Some of the details of the article that I know to be
untrue are as follows:
there was no blood transfusion from Dr Chopra;
Maharishi was not on a ventilator and was not pronounced dead as
claimed;
he did not have kidney failure at all at that time;
Dr Chopra's father attended Maharishi in India, but not in London;
there was no helicopter involved;
Dr Chopra did not carry Maharishiji in his arms into the hospital.
Dr Chopra was handsomely paid for his services by the movement.
These facts can be corroborated by Prakash and Kirti from the Indian
TM movement and Maharishiji' s medical records would bear this out as
well. There were two other Indian physicians involved, both of whom
were instructed in TM by Farrokh. They can confirm the facts as
well.
Dr G. M.
It is interesting to watch people writing history. The absence of
facts will simply lead to even more speculation. Was there a
poisoning or evidence of poisoning? Why London? If not kidney failure
at that time when did he have kidney failure? What year? What kind
of recovery? Etc.
Can his silence be interpreted as assent that there was a heart attack
and pancreatitis and that this happened in late 1991?
He says MMY's medical records would bear this out. I would be glad to
take a look. :)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please note that Dr G M is an outstanding Indian Governor responsible for single-handedly creating the first group of 8,000 pundits in India. He is a Maharishi-trained TM-Sidhi instructor and teacher of Advanced Techniques. Farrokh Ruffina Dear Friends: I am an Indian physician who was Maharishiji's personal physician at the time that Dr Deepak Chopra was assisting Maharishiji in England, as per his article entitled The Maharishi Years - the Untold Story. I must inform you that his article is replete with untruths and inaccuracies. I was at Maharishiji's side during the entire incident. Some of the details of the article that I know to be untrue are as follows: there was no blood transfusion from Dr Chopra; Maharishi was not on a ventilator and was not pronounced dead as claimed; he did not have kidney failure at all at that time; Dr Chopra's father attended Maharishi in India, but not in London; there was no helicopter involved; Dr Chopra did not carry Maharishiji in his arms into the hospital. Dr Chopra was handsomely paid for his services by the movement. These facts can be corroborated by Prakash and Kirti from the Indian TM movement and Maharishiji's medical records would bear this out as well. There were two other Indian physicians involved, both of whom were instructed in TM by Farrokh. They can confirm the facts as well. Dr G. M. It is interesting to watch people writing history. The absence of facts will simply lead to even more speculation. Was there a poisoning or evidence of poisoning? Why London? If not kidney failure at that time when did he have kidney failure? What year? What kind of recovery? Etc. Can his silence be interpreted as assent that there was a heart attack and pancreatitis and that this happened in late 1991? He says MMY's medical records would bear this out. I would be glad to take a look. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
So, someone in the movement acknowledges that MMY in the 1990s had a serious illness that required an allopathic medicine intervention ? Its about time. So many movement people died for bias against allopathic medical care. So many names that come to mind- you can fill in the blanks. I think those deaths had a huge negative impact on the movement, which was busy was raking in mega bucks from products they sold as replacing modern healthcare. So sad that people arrogantly denied the benefits of allopathic medicine, and died as a result. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please note that Dr G M is an outstanding Indian Governor responsible for single-handedly creating the first group of 8,000 pundits in India. He is a Maharishi-trained TM-Sidhi instructor and teacher of Advanced Techniques. Farrokh Ruffina Dear Friends: I am an Indian physician who was Maharishiji's personal physician at the time that Dr Deepak Chopra was assisting Maharishiji in England, as per his article entitled The Maharishi Years - the Untold Story. I must inform you that his article is replete with untruths and inaccuracies. I was at Maharishiji's side during the entire incident. Some of the details of the article that I know to be untrue are as follows: there was no blood transfusion from Dr Chopra; Maharishi was not on a ventilator and was not pronounced dead as claimed; he did not have kidney failure at all at that time; Dr Chopra's father attended Maharishi in India, but not in London; there was no helicopter involved; Dr Chopra did not carry Maharishiji in his arms into the hospital. Dr Chopra was handsomely paid for his services by the movement. These facts can be corroborated by Prakash and Kirti from the Indian TM movement and Maharishiji's medical records would bear this out as well. There were two other Indian physicians involved, both of whom were instructed in TM by Farrokh. They can confirm the facts as well. Dr G. M.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ruthsimplicity Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:21 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor He says MMY's medical records would bear this out. I would be glad to take a look. :) Are you in the medical or legal profession? Not attacking. Just getting to know you better. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 6:35 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My guess is that Deepak was telling the truth, with some embellishment and fuzziness do to lapse of time, and GM (Girish Momaya?) is trying to whitewash it for posterity. I have exactly the same guess. Chopra's a sloppy storyteller with a shaky relationship with the swap space of his memory, but it feels to me like the basic essence of the story is true. The nitpicky details don't matter a damn to me. What was interesting about Chopra's tale for me was hearing him speak about something I'd seen myself, how jealous Maharishi would get when someone was upstaging him. On the other hand, rhe reactiveness and the tone of the other doctor seems a tad too devotional for me to take it seriously. This is not a doctor speaking about his patient, not when he refers to him as Maharishiji. This is a disciple speaking about his master. And disciples can justify saying all sorts of stuff if they think it protects or glorifies their master. It's like Angela said -- these are just two points of view, neither being anything like the truth. They're just points of view. And they're both just stories. You take what you need from a story and you leave the rest.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must inform you that his article is replete with untruths and inaccuracies. Now this is getting really interesting! One of these two is a big fat liar. How can we figure out which it is? Interestingly he doesn't refute the poison claim. When Maharishi came to Fairfield in '75 I heard that a man ran up to him at the airport and asked Are you the Maharishi? He said yes and the guy handed him a handful of straw instead of a flower. Maharishis DC3 blown up, arson in Manilla, armed gunman caught on the bridge to Kulm. Now we hear, a story from Chopra but still, that Maharishi was poisened. Ask yourself who had the interest and resources to pull these sorts of things off. Nutcases ? Hardly. Then we have the fellows, I know one of them personally and have been told there are a few others, who actually gave up their activities for different agencies and continue in the Movement, including Purusha, with Maharishis OK. You may not like it, and Turq will continue to ridicule the idea until he dies, but it happened none the less.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My guess is that Deepak was telling the truth, with some embellishment and fuzziness do to lapse of time, and GM (Girish Momaya?) is trying to whitewash it for posterity. How do you account for the year Chopra says MMY spent away from the movement, Rick, ensconced in a country home in England attended only by Chopra and the servants? How could that be just fuzziness due to lapse of time?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
My guess is that Deepak was telling the truth, with some embellishment and fuzziness do to lapse of time, and GM (Girish Momaya?) is trying to whitewash it for posterity. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 6:35 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
Really? How do you figure?
- Original Message
From: Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:44:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The
Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
You can have a manifold relative world that works, or you have one
with Truth, but you can't have both
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander
mailander111@ ... wrote:
Well, we've got at least two versions of the events. This does not
tell us that either version corresponds to the facts, however.
Medical records can be falsified--and I've seen this done on more than
one occasion. So the medical records would not necessarily tell us
the truth either. And if we can see how difficult it is to get at the
truth in this scenario, then what makes us think the official
version of history that we learn in school is true?
- Original Message
From: ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ ...
To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:20:47 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on
The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Dick Mays
dickmays@ . wrote:
Please note that Dr G M is an outstanding Indian Governor
responsible for single-handedly creating the first group of 8,000
pundits in India. He is a Maharishi-trained TM-Sidhi instructor and
teacher of Advanced Techniques.
Farrokh Ruffina
Dear Friends:
I am an Indian physician who was Maharishiji' s personal physician at
the time that Dr Deepak Chopra was assisting Maharishiji in England,
as per his article entitled The Maharishi Years - the Untold Story.
I must inform you that his article is replete with untruths and
inaccuracies. I was at Maharishiji' s side during the entire
incident. Some of the details of the article that I know to be
untrue are as follows:
there was no blood transfusion from Dr Chopra;
Maharishi was not on a ventilator and was not pronounced dead as
claimed;
he did not have kidney failure at all at that time;
Dr Chopra's father attended Maharishi in India, but not in London;
there was no helicopter involved;
Dr Chopra did not carry Maharishiji in his arms into the hospital.
Dr Chopra was handsomely paid for his services by the movement.
These facts can be corroborated by Prakash and Kirti from the Indian
TM movement and Maharishiji' s medical records would bear this out as
well. There were two other Indian physicians involved, both of whom
were instructed in TM by Farrokh. They can confirm the facts as
well.
Dr G. M.
It is interesting to watch people writing history. The absence of
facts will simply lead to even more speculation. Was there a
poisoning or evidence of poisoning? Why London? If not kidney failure
at that time when did he have kidney failure? What year? What kind
of recovery? Etc.
Can his silence be interpreted as assent that there was a heart attack
and pancreatitis and that this happened in late 1991?
He says MMY's medical records would bear this out. I would be glad to
take a look. :)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
--HSakyamuni Buddha would say yes you can...since the Lotus
Sutra addresses the question of reconciling the Truth (relative and
Absolute Truth) with what works.
What works - is the topic of the Expedient Means Chapter of the
Lotus Sutra and basically, the Buddha says to accept what Authorities
say but in the light of one's own experience: test the proposed
strategies.
The Truth - relative and Absolute, is essentially the whole of the
Lotus Sutra apart from heuristic truths (expedient means) arrived at
through direct experience. Thus, the title of the Lotus Sutra spells
it all out: (the Lotus of the True Law Sutra) = Sat - Dharma -
Pundarika - Sutra)
Sat = Truth
Dharma = True Law
Pundarika = Lotus (Lotus of the True Law, i.e. how Dharma unfolds and
is expressed in life)
Sutra - teachings; more broadly, how one gains a door into the
Teachings through the Guru, the Dharma and the Sangha.
- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Really? How do you figure?
- Original Message
From: Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:44:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article
on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
You can have a manifold relative world that works, or
you have one
with Truth, but you can't have both
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander
mailander111@ ... wrote:
Well, we've got at least two versions of the events. This does
not
tell us that either version corresponds to the facts, however.
Medical records can be falsified--and I've seen this done on more
than
one occasion. So the medical records would not necessarily tell us
the truth either. And if we can see how difficult it is to get at
the
truth in this scenario, then what makes us think the official
version of history that we learn in school is true?
- Original Message
From: ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ ...
To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:20:47 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on
The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Dick Mays
dickmays@ . wrote:
Please note that Dr G M is an outstanding Indian Governor
responsible for single-handedly creating the first group of
8,000
pundits in India. He is a Maharishi-trained TM-Sidhi
instructor and
teacher of Advanced Techniques.
Farrokh Ruffina
Dear Friends:
I am an Indian physician who was Maharishiji' s personal
physician at
the time that Dr Deepak Chopra was assisting Maharishiji in
England,
as per his article entitled The Maharishi Years - the Untold
Story.
I must inform you that his article is replete with untruths
and
inaccuracies. I was at Maharishiji' s side during the entire
incident. Some of the details of the article that I know to be
untrue are as follows:
there was no blood transfusion from Dr Chopra;
Maharishi was not on a ventilator and was not pronounced dead
as
claimed;
he did not have kidney failure at all at that time;
Dr Chopra's father attended Maharishi in India, but not in
London;
there was no helicopter involved;
Dr Chopra did not carry Maharishiji in his arms into the
hospital.
Dr Chopra was handsomely paid for his services by the
movement.
These facts can be corroborated by Prakash and Kirti from the
Indian
TM movement and Maharishiji' s medical records would bear this
out as
well. There were two other Indian physicians involved, both of
whom
were instructed in TM by Farrokh. They can confirm the facts
as
well.
Dr G. M.
It is interesting to watch people writing history. The absence of
facts will simply lead to even more speculation. Was there a
poisoning or evidence of poisoning? Why London? If not kidney
failure
at that time when did he have kidney failure? What year? What
kind
of recovery? Etc.
Can his silence be interpreted as assent that there was a heart
attack
and pancreatitis and that this happened in late 1991?
He says MMY's medical records would bear this out. I would be
glad to
take a look. :)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --HSakyamuni Buddha would say yes you can...since the Lotus Sutra addresses the question of reconciling the Truth (relative and Absolute Truth) with what works. What works - is the topic of the Expedient Means Chapter of the Lotus Sutra and basically, the Buddha says to accept what Authorities say but in the light of one's own experience: test the proposed strategies. The Truth - relative and Absolute, is essentially the whole of the Lotus Sutra apart from heuristic truths (expedient means) arrived at through direct experience. Thus, the title of the Lotus Sutra spells it all out: (the Lotus of the True Law Sutra) = Sat - Dharma - Pundarika - Sutra) Sat = Truth Dharma = True Law Pundarika = Lotus (Lotus of the True Law, i.e. how Dharma unfolds and is expressed in life) Sutra - teachings; more broadly, how one gains a door into the Teachings through the Guru, the Dharma and the Sangha. Deep bow. VERY well explained, and in so few words. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: Really? How do you figure? - Original Message From: Larry inmadison@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:44:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor You can have a manifold relative world that works, or you have one with Truth, but you can't have both --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ ... wrote: Well, we've got at least two versions of the events. This does not tell us that either version corresponds to the facts, however. Medical records can be falsified--and I've seen this done on more than one occasion. So the medical records would not necessarily tell us the truth either. And if we can see how difficult it is to get at the truth in this scenario, then what makes us think the official version of history that we learn in school is true? - Original Message From: ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ ... To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:20:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Dick Mays dickmays@ . wrote: Please note that Dr G M is an outstanding Indian Governor responsible for single-handedly creating the first group of 8,000 pundits in India. He is a Maharishi-trained TM-Sidhi instructor and teacher of Advanced Techniques. Farrokh Ruffina Dear Friends: I am an Indian physician who was Maharishiji' s personal physician at the time that Dr Deepak Chopra was assisting Maharishiji in England, as per his article entitled The Maharishi Years - the Untold Story. I must inform you that his article is replete with untruths and inaccuracies. I was at Maharishiji' s side during the entire incident. Some of the details of the article that I know to be untrue are as follows: there was no blood transfusion from Dr Chopra; Maharishi was not on a ventilator and was not pronounced dead as claimed; he did not have kidney failure at all at that time; Dr Chopra's father attended Maharishi in India, but not in London; there was no helicopter involved; Dr Chopra did not carry Maharishiji in his arms into the hospital. Dr Chopra was handsomely paid for his services by the movement. These facts can be corroborated by Prakash and Kirti from the Indian TM movement and Maharishiji' s medical records would bear this out as well. There were two other Indian physicians involved, both of whom were instructed in TM by Farrokh. They can confirm the facts as well. Dr G. M. It is interesting to watch people writing history. The absence of facts will simply lead to even more speculation. Was there a poisoning or evidence of poisoning? Why London? If not kidney failure at that time when did he have kidney failure? What year? What kind of recovery? Etc. Can his silence
[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please note that Dr G M is an outstanding Indian Governor responsible for single-handedly creating the first group of 8,000 pundits in India. He is a Maharishi-trained TM-Sidhi instructor and teacher of Advanced Techniques. Farrokh Ruffina Dear Friends: I am an Indian physician who was Maharishiji's personal physician at the time that Dr Deepak Chopra was assisting Maharishiji in England, as per his article entitled The Maharishi Years - the Untold Story. I must inform you that his article is replete with untruths and inaccuracies. I was at Maharishiji's side during the entire incident. Some of the details of the article that I know to be untrue are as follows: there was no blood transfusion from Dr Chopra; Maharishi was not on a ventilator and was not pronounced dead as claimed; he did not have kidney failure at all at that time; Dr Chopra's father attended Maharishi in India, but not in London; there was no helicopter involved; Dr Chopra did not carry Maharishiji in his arms into the hospital. Dr Chopra was handsomely paid for his services by the movement. These facts can be corroborated by Prakash and Kirti from the Indian TM movement and Maharishiji's medical records would bear this out as well. There were two other Indian physicians involved, both of whom were instructed in TM by Farrokh. They can confirm the facts as well. Dr G. M. It is interesting to watch people writing history. The absence of facts will simply lead to even more speculation. Was there a poisoning or evidence of poisoning? Why London? If not kidney failure at that time when did he have kidney failure? Etc. He says MMY's medical records would bear this out. I would be glad to take a look. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
I must inform you that his article is replete with untruths and inaccuracies. Now this is getting really interesting! One of these two is a big fat liar. How can we figure out which it is? Interestingly he doesn't refute the poison claim. When Maharishi came to Fairfield in '75 I heard that a man ran up to him at the airport and asked Are you the Maharishi? He said yes and the guy handed him a handful of straw instead of a flower. Very nutty. My point is that I think if he was poisoned it was probably the act of a mentally ill individual rather than some well thought out plot. Famous people are magnets for nutcases. Speaking of which Chopra comes out sounding a bit nutty if those details are false. He may have a problem distinguishing fact from fantasy. He doesn't refute the claim that Chopra spent months with Maharishi personally. I love a good mystery! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please note that Dr G M is an outstanding Indian Governor responsible for single-handedly creating the first group of 8,000 pundits in India. He is a Maharishi-trained TM-Sidhi instructor and teacher of Advanced Techniques. Farrokh Ruffina Dear Friends: I am an Indian physician who was Maharishiji's personal physician at the time that Dr Deepak Chopra was assisting Maharishiji in England, as per his article entitled The Maharishi Years - the Untold Story. I must inform you that his article is replete with untruths and inaccuracies. I was at Maharishiji's side during the entire incident. Some of the details of the article that I know to be untrue are as follows: there was no blood transfusion from Dr Chopra; Maharishi was not on a ventilator and was not pronounced dead as claimed; he did not have kidney failure at all at that time; Dr Chopra's father attended Maharishi in India, but not in London; there was no helicopter involved; Dr Chopra did not carry Maharishiji in his arms into the hospital. Dr Chopra was handsomely paid for his services by the movement. These facts can be corroborated by Prakash and Kirti from the Indian TM movement and Maharishiji's medical records would bear this out as well. There were two other Indian physicians involved, both of whom were instructed in TM by Farrokh. They can confirm the facts as well. Dr G. M.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
No, I'm am Sparticuser, Maharishi's doctor.
If I had this supposedly two billion bux from the faithful, well, you
heard it here first: don't trust meI will find someone to deny,
disprove, denounce, belittle, etc. ANY negativity about my right to
use that two billion. Chopra may just have been swift-boated.
Just to be up front: I find Chopra to be as smarmy about marketing as
Maharishi -- I think his article smacks of trying to steal the weak
TBers of the now dying TM movement.
Have any of your living in FF folks seen any increase in the number
of posters, fliers, and newspaper ads for other marauding spirituality
specialists coming to town now while the fire's hot?
Edg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, we've got at least two versions of the events. This does not
tell us that either version corresponds to the facts, however.
Medical records can be falsified--and I've seen this done on more than
one occasion. So the medical records would not necessarily tell us
the truth either. And if we can see how difficult it is to get at the
truth in this scenario, then what makes us think the official
version of history that we learn in school is true?
- Original Message
From: ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:20:47 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on
The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Dick Mays
dickmays@ . wrote:
Please note that Dr G M is an outstanding Indian Governor
responsible for single-handedly creating the first group of 8,000
pundits in India. He is a Maharishi-trained TM-Sidhi instructor and
teacher of Advanced Techniques.
Farrokh Ruffina
Dear Friends:
I am an Indian physician who was Maharishiji' s personal physician at
the time that Dr Deepak Chopra was assisting Maharishiji in England,
as per his article entitled The Maharishi Years - the Untold Story.
I must inform you that his article is replete with untruths and
inaccuracies. I was at Maharishiji' s side during the entire
incident. Some of the details of the article that I know to be
untrue are as follows:
there was no blood transfusion from Dr Chopra;
Maharishi was not on a ventilator and was not pronounced dead as
claimed;
he did not have kidney failure at all at that time;
Dr Chopra's father attended Maharishi in India, but not in London;
there was no helicopter involved;
Dr Chopra did not carry Maharishiji in his arms into the hospital.
Dr Chopra was handsomely paid for his services by the movement.
These facts can be corroborated by Prakash and Kirti from the Indian
TM movement and Maharishiji' s medical records would bear this out as
well. There were two other Indian physicians involved, both of whom
were instructed in TM by Farrokh. They can confirm the facts as
well.
Dr G. M.
It is interesting to watch people writing history. The absence of
facts will simply lead to even more speculation. Was there a
poisoning or evidence of poisoning? Why London? If not kidney failure
at that time when did he have kidney failure? What year? What kind
of recovery? Etc.
Can his silence be interpreted as assent that there was a heart attack
and pancreatitis and that this happened in late 1991?
He says MMY's medical records would bear this out. I would be glad to
take a look. :)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
Thinking back now, I should have included a smily face, then it wouldn't have come off as such a wild ass axiom - but too late now. What I should have said was: If you have two or more observers, you can not have Truth. As each observer distinguishs self - what lies outside of that first distinction is everything else, which includes the other observers. So, for each observer, what lies 'outside' that first distinction is different because it includes the other observers. Let's ask a basic question . . . is the car red? Well, what makes the car red is exactly the same as what makes it not red. For example, we can pick out a candle because of its bundle of properties, including the space it occupies. We can make the distinction of 'the candle' because there is a 'not candle' to dintinguish it from. The dintinction between the candle and 'not candle' is the same distinction - it's the same boundary. Sort of like my grandfather who used to bug me with questions like: Does the mortar keep the bricks apart, or does keep them together? So getting back to the car . . two or more observers can not equally dintguish the car, because the 'not car' distinction includes the other observers . . so therefore, the distinction of the car will also be different between observers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? How do you figure? - Original Message From: Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:44:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor You can have a manifold relative world that works, or you have one with Truth, but you can't have both --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ ... wrote: Well, we've got at least two versions of the events. This does not tell us that either version corresponds to the facts, however. Medical records can be falsified--and I've seen this done on more than one occasion. So the medical records would not necessarily tell us the truth either. And if we can see how difficult it is to get at the truth in this scenario, then what makes us think the official version of history that we learn in school is true? - Original Message From: ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ ... To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:20:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Dick Mays dickmays@ . wrote: Please note that Dr G M is an outstanding Indian Governor responsible for single-handedly creating the first group of 8,000 pundits in India. He is a Maharishi-trained TM-Sidhi instructor and teacher of Advanced Techniques. Farrokh Ruffina Dear Friends: I am an Indian physician who was Maharishiji' s personal physician at the time that Dr Deepak Chopra was assisting Maharishiji in England, as per his article entitled The Maharishi Years - the Untold Story. I must inform you that his article is replete with untruths and inaccuracies. I was at Maharishiji' s side during the entire incident. Some of the details of the article that I know to be untrue are as follows: there was no blood transfusion from Dr Chopra; Maharishi was not on a ventilator and was not pronounced dead as claimed; he did not have kidney failure at all at that time; Dr Chopra's father attended Maharishi in India, but not in London; there was no helicopter involved; Dr Chopra did not carry Maharishiji in his arms into the hospital. Dr Chopra was handsomely paid for his services by the movement. These facts can be corroborated by Prakash and Kirti from the Indian TM movement and Maharishiji' s medical records would bear this out as well. There were two other Indian physicians involved, both of whom were instructed in TM by Farrokh. They can confirm the facts as well. Dr G. M. It is interesting to watch people writing history. The absence of facts will simply lead to even more speculation. Was there a poisoning or evidence of poisoning? Why London? If not kidney failure at that time when did he have kidney failure? What year? What kind of recovery? Etc. Can his silence be interpreted as assent that there was a heart attack
[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
You can have a manifold relative world that works, or you have one
with Truth, but you can't have both
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, we've got at least two versions of the events. This does not
tell us that either version corresponds to the facts, however.
Medical records can be falsified--and I've seen this done on more than
one occasion. So the medical records would not necessarily tell us
the truth either. And if we can see how difficult it is to get at the
truth in this scenario, then what makes us think the official
version of history that we learn in school is true?
- Original Message
From: ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:20:47 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on
The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Dick Mays
dickmays@ . wrote:
Please note that Dr G M is an outstanding Indian Governor
responsible for single-handedly creating the first group of 8,000
pundits in India. He is a Maharishi-trained TM-Sidhi instructor and
teacher of Advanced Techniques.
Farrokh Ruffina
Dear Friends:
I am an Indian physician who was Maharishiji' s personal physician at
the time that Dr Deepak Chopra was assisting Maharishiji in England,
as per his article entitled The Maharishi Years - the Untold Story.
I must inform you that his article is replete with untruths and
inaccuracies. I was at Maharishiji' s side during the entire
incident. Some of the details of the article that I know to be
untrue are as follows:
there was no blood transfusion from Dr Chopra;
Maharishi was not on a ventilator and was not pronounced dead as
claimed;
he did not have kidney failure at all at that time;
Dr Chopra's father attended Maharishi in India, but not in London;
there was no helicopter involved;
Dr Chopra did not carry Maharishiji in his arms into the hospital.
Dr Chopra was handsomely paid for his services by the movement.
These facts can be corroborated by Prakash and Kirti from the Indian
TM movement and Maharishiji' s medical records would bear this out as
well. There were two other Indian physicians involved, both of whom
were instructed in TM by Farrokh. They can confirm the facts as
well.
Dr G. M.
It is interesting to watch people writing history. The absence of
facts will simply lead to even more speculation. Was there a
poisoning or evidence of poisoning? Why London? If not kidney failure
at that time when did he have kidney failure? What year? What kind
of recovery? Etc.
Can his silence be interpreted as assent that there was a heart attack
and pancreatitis and that this happened in late 1991?
He says MMY's medical records would bear this out. I would be glad to
take a look. :)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ruthsimplicity Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:21 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor He says MMY's medical records would bear this out. I would be glad to take a look. :) Are you in the medical or legal profession? Not attacking. Just getting to know you better. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 6:35 PM Was. I am now a lobbyist on health care issues.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
Matthew 18:18-20 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Larry, What we have here is a failure to communicate. Any egoic projection fits your views, below, but pure truth seemingly IS available whenever two or three are specifically gathered for the purpose of discovering it. Not that they will find it, mind you, the promise is that it is there -- presumably those with deep intent can REALIZE it H, let's see now, how many are gathered here today? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thinking back now, I should have included a smily face, then it wouldn't have come off as such a wild ass axiom - but too late now. What I should have said was: If you have two or more observers, you can not have Truth. As each observer distinguishs self - what lies outside of that first distinction is everything else, which includes the other observers. So, for each observer, what lies 'outside' that first distinction is different because it includes the other observers. Let's ask a basic question . . . is the car red? Well, what makes the car red is exactly the same as what makes it not red. For example, we can pick out a candle because of its bundle of properties, including the space it occupies. We can make the distinction of 'the candle' because there is a 'not candle' to dintinguish it from. The dintinction between the candle and 'not candle' is the same distinction - it's the same boundary. Sort of like my grandfather who used to bug me with questions like: Does the mortar keep the bricks apart, or does keep them together? So getting back to the car . . two or more observers can not equally dintguish the car, because the 'not car' distinction includes the other observers . . so therefore, the distinction of the car will also be different between observers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: Really? How do you figure? - Original Message From: Larry inmadison@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:44:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor You can have a manifold relative world that works, or you have one with Truth, but you can't have both --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ ... wrote: Well, we've got at least two versions of the events. This does not tell us that either version corresponds to the facts, however. Medical records can be falsified--and I've seen this done on more than one occasion. So the medical records would not necessarily tell us the truth either. And if we can see how difficult it is to get at the truth in this scenario, then what makes us think the official version of history that we learn in school is true? - Original Message From: ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ ... To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:20:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Dick Mays dickmays@ . wrote: Please note that Dr G M is an outstanding Indian Governor responsible for single-handedly creating the first group of 8,000 pundits in India. He is a Maharishi-trained TM-Sidhi instructor and teacher of Advanced Techniques. Farrokh Ruffina Dear Friends: I am an Indian physician who was Maharishiji' s personal physician at the time that Dr Deepak Chopra was assisting Maharishiji in England, as per his article entitled The Maharishi Years - the Untold Story. I must inform you that his article is replete with untruths and inaccuracies. I was at Maharishiji' s side during the entire incident. Some of the details of the article that I know to be untrue are as follows: there was no blood transfusion from Dr Chopra; Maharishi was not on a ventilator and was not pronounced dead as claimed; he did not have kidney failure at all at that time; Dr Chopra's father attended Maharishi in India, but not in London; there was no helicopter involved; Dr Chopra did not carry Maharishiji in his arms into the hospital. Dr
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My guess is that Deepak was telling the truth, with some embellishment and fuzziness do to lapse of time, and GM (Girish Momaya?) is trying to whitewash it for posterity. Agreed. Notice how he doesn't offer anything other than corrections of Deepak's version. Love to have Deepak react to this whitewash. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 6:35 PM Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My guess is that Deepak was telling the truth, with some embellishment and fuzziness do to lapse of time, and GM (Girish Momaya?) is trying to whitewash it for posterity. Thanks for revealing the source, who evidently was not stand up enough to speak on his own behalf.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
My earlier problem with your statement is that there is a distinction between truth and fact. As you are using the word, you really mean fact not truth. So when I substitute fact then your statement makes total sense. - Original Message From: Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:10:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor Thinking back now, I should have included a smily face, then it wouldn't have come off as such a wild ass axiom - but too late now. What I should have said was: If you have two or more observers, you can not have Truth. As each observer distinguishs self - what lies outside of that first distinction is everything else, which includes the other observers. So, for each observer, what lies 'outside' that first distinction is different because it includes the other observers. Let's ask a basic question . . . is the car red? Well, what makes the car red is exactly the same as what makes it not red. For example, we can pick out a candle because of its bundle of properties, including the space it occupies. We can make the distinction of 'the candle' because there is a 'not candle' to dintinguish it from. The dintinction between the candle and 'not candle' is the same distinction - it's the same boundary. Sort of like my grandfather who used to bug me with questions like: Does the mortar keep the bricks apart, or does keep them together? So getting back to the car . . two or more observers can not equally dintguish the car, because the 'not car' distinction includes the other observers . . so therefore, the distinction of the car will also be different between observers. --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ ... wrote: Really? How do you figure? - Original Message From: Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:44:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor You can have a manifold relative world that works, or you have one with Truth, but you can't have both --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ ... wrote: Well, we've got at least two versions of the events. This does not tell us that either version corresponds to the facts, however. Medical records can be falsified--and I've seen this done on more than one occasion. So the medical records would not necessarily tell us the truth either. And if we can see how difficult it is to get at the truth in this scenario, then what makes us think the official version of history that we learn in school is true? - Original Message From: ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ ... To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:20:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Dick Mays dickmays@ . wrote: Please note that Dr G M is an outstanding Indian Governor responsible for single-handedly creating the first group of 8,000 pundits in India. He is a Maharishi-trained TM-Sidhi instructor and teacher of Advanced Techniques. Farrokh Ruffina Dear Friends: I am an Indian physician who was Maharishiji' s personal physician at the time that Dr Deepak Chopra was assisting Maharishiji in England, as per his article entitled The Maharishi Years - the Untold Story. I must inform you that his article is replete with untruths and inaccuracies. I was at Maharishiji' s side during the entire incident. Some of the details of the article that I know to be untrue are as follows: there was no blood transfusion from Dr Chopra; Maharishi was not on a ventilator and was not pronounced dead as claimed; he did not have kidney failure at all at that time; Dr Chopra's father attended Maharishi in India, but not in London; there was no helicopter involved; Dr Chopra did not carry Maharishiji in his arms into the hospital. Dr Chopra was handsomely paid for his services by the movement. These facts can be corroborated by Prakash and Kirti from the Indian TM movement and Maharishiji' s medical records would bear this out as well. There were two other Indian physicians involved, both of whom were instructed in TM by Farrokh. They can confirm the facts as well. Dr G. M. It is
[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please note that Dr G M is an outstanding Indian Governor responsible for single-handedly creating the first group of 8,000 pundits in India. He is a Maharishi-trained TM-Sidhi instructor and teacher of Advanced Techniques. Farrokh Ruffina Dear Friends: I am an Indian physician who was Maharishiji's personal physician at the time that Dr Deepak Chopra was assisting Maharishiji in England, Well, this is the first official mention that MMY was sick and in England at all by the movement,AFAICR. What kept them from acknowledging it so long. Maybe Chopra is embellishing and romanticizing his role in this affair, but I find it very disengenuous of the movement to suddently speak out NOW. Give me a break. And who is Dr. G.M.? Does he work with Drs. Subaru, Toyota and Ford, or just B.M.W.?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ultrarishi Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:38 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor And who is Dr. G.M.? Does he work with Drs. Subaru, Toyota and Ford, or just B.M.W.? The name Girish Momaya comes to mind. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 8:32 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My guess is that Deepak was telling the truth, with some embellishment and fuzziness do to lapse of time, and GM (Girish Momaya?) is trying to whitewash it for posterity. Thanks for revealing the source, who evidently was not stand up enough to speak on his own behalf. I don’t know for sure. That name matches the initials and I remember him as being a hot shot in Noida, and possibly a doctor. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
(Hopefully) One last blovial blast of hot air - - - When observers are gathered in His Name - aka gathered in TC, then they all have the same initial distinction of Self - and therefore identical distinctions of non self - then there is nothing but Truth, but they won't agree on it by force of habit As you may have heard, we (Madison WI) are expected to get 6-8 more inches of snow on Sunday - - that will put us over 2x the average for the whole season. A few years back I picked up a used snowblower, my plan is for it to have the heart attack before me. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew 18:18-20 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Larry, What we have here is a failure to communicate. Any egoic projection fits your views, below, but pure truth seemingly IS available whenever two or three are specifically gathered for the purpose of discovering it. Not that they will find it, mind you, the promise is that it is there -- presumably those with deep intent can REALIZE it H, let's see now, how many are gathered here today? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Larry inmadison@ wrote: Thinking back now, I should have included a smily face, then it wouldn't have come off as such a wild ass axiom - but too late now. What I should have said was: If you have two or more observers, you can not have Truth. As each observer distinguishs self - what lies outside of that first distinction is everything else, which includes the other observers. So, for each observer, what lies 'outside' that first distinction is different because it includes the other observers. Let's ask a basic question . . . is the car red? Well, what makes the car red is exactly the same as what makes it not red. For example, we can pick out a candle because of its bundle of properties, including the space it occupies. We can make the distinction of 'the candle' because there is a 'not candle' to dintinguish it from. The dintinction between the candle and 'not candle' is the same distinction - it's the same boundary. Sort of like my grandfather who used to bug me with questions like: Does the mortar keep the bricks apart, or does keep them together? So getting back to the car . . two or more observers can not equally dintguish the car, because the 'not car' distinction includes the other observers . . so therefore, the distinction of the car will also be different between observers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: Really? How do you figure?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, someone in the movement acknowledges that MMY in the 1990s had a serious illness that required an allopathic medicine intervention ? Its about time. So many movement people died for bias against allopathic medical care. So many names that come to mind- you can fill in the blanks. I think those deaths had a huge negative impact on the movement, which was busy was raking in mega bucks from products they sold as replacing modern healthcare. So sad that people arrogantly denied the benefits of allopathic medicine, and died as a result. I wouldn't doubt for a second that this is the case, but y'know, MMY always told people to stick to the religion they learned at their mother's knee and not try to become Hindu, and he resisted the call to Hinduize the TMO for a very long time after he made the initial decision to make it a non-denominational spiritual organization, and look how many American and European Hindu TM teachers there are. People want a perfect system, even while nodding sagely at teaching stories from said perfect system that spell out clearly that it isn't perfect and that all the advice of the ancient sages and gods of Ayurveda should be taken with a grain of salt. Lawson
