[FairfieldLife] Re: Do nothing and accomplish everything.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Small self surrounded by Big Self is not anything of value. CC precedes GC precedes UC. If you think you're having some kind of UC experience when not already in CC (no small self), then you're not having UC. But Whos on first? Or is he? * * An interesting point. I do not recall any descriptions by MMY that Cosmic Consciousness involved no small self, only an addition of a Witness to the small self. As far as I can see, the small self disappears only in Brahman, quite a different Awakening than that of C.C. Small self surrounded by Big Self means what, according to you, in terms of CC, GC, UC, etc? L * * Hmm. Depends on how you define small self surrounded by Big Self, I suppose. If one identifies with a small self being Witnessed by a separate big Self, I would probably call that CC. When the small self -- and even the separate Witness itself, and indeed all sense of duality or separation or spacetime distinction or progress whatsoever -- melts into the ever-present THAT, and it is Self-evident that THAT Alone ever IS, was, and shall BE, THAT Awakening would probably be called Brahman :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do nothing and accomplish everything.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Small self surrounded by Big Self is not anything of value. CC precedes GC precedes UC. If you think you're having some kind of UC experience when not already in CC (no small self), then you're not having UC. But Whos on first? Or is he? L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I interpret this as meaning do nothing as the self, and everything will be accomplished by the Self. In waking state it makes no sense at all. FWIW, that's the exact opposite of what MMY meant by it, with reference to the Gita. For the enlightened person, it's the Self that is the nondoer, and the self that acts according to the dictates of the gunas. * * That was my first thought too, Judy. But then I saw what Jim meant -- when we (small selves) are surrendered to Wholeness (big Self), it appears that Wholeness is running the whole show, and we do nothing. But from the other point of view, as the Gita says, We as wholeness do nothing, and the I-particles, the small selves, do it all. I suspect that no-one actually does anything, big-S or small-s, but it all just gets done (or appears to get done) anyhow. Who does a dream, anyway? The dreamer isn't doing anything but watching it unfold, and the dream-characters don't really exist as separate entities, so they aren't really doing anything, either, though when we are identified with one of the characters, we sure think we are doing something!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do nothing and accomplish everything.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Small self surrounded by Big Self is not anything of value. CC precedes GC precedes UC. If you think you're having some kind of UC experience when not already in CC (no small self), then you're not having UC. But Whos on first? Or is he? * * An interesting point. I do not recall any descriptions by MMY that Cosmic Consciousness involved no small self, only an addition of a Witness to the small self. As far as I can see, the small self disappears only in Brahman, quite a different Awakening than that of C.C.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do nothing and accomplish everything.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Small self surrounded by Big Self is not anything of value. CC precedes GC precedes UC. If you think you're having some kind of UC experience when not already in CC (no small self), then you're not having UC. But Whos on first? Or is he? * * An interesting point. I do not recall any descriptions by MMY that Cosmic Consciousness involved no small self, only an addition of a Witness to the small self. As far as I can see, the small self disappears only in Brahman, quite a different Awakening than that of C.C. Okay, I'll give you that. But then, Whats on second?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do nothing and accomplish everything.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Small self surrounded by Big Self is not anything of value. CC precedes GC precedes UC. If you think you're having some kind of UC experience when not already in CC (no small self), then you're not having UC. But Whos on first? Or is he? * * An interesting point. I do not recall any descriptions by MMY that Cosmic Consciousness involved no small self, only an addition of a Witness to the small self. As far as I can see, the small self disappears only in Brahman, quite a different Awakening than that of C.C. Okay, I'll give you that. But then, Whats on second? * * That's right.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do nothing and accomplish everything.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Small self surrounded by Big Self is not anything of value. CC precedes GC precedes UC. If you think you're having some kind of UC experience when not already in CC (no small self), then you're not having UC. But Whos on first? Or is he? * * An interesting point. I do not recall any descriptions by MMY that Cosmic Consciousness involved no small self, only an addition of a Witness to the small self. As far as I can see, the small self disappears only in Brahman, quite a different Awakening than that of C.C. Small self surrounded by Big Self means what, according to you, in terms of CC, GC, UC, etc? L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do nothing and accomplish everything.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: * * Hmm. Depends on how you define small self surrounded by Big Self, I suppose. If one identifies with a small self being Witnessed by a separate big Self, I would probably call that CC. When the small self -- and even the separate Witness itself, and indeed all sense of duality or separation or spacetime distinction or progress whatsoever -- melts into the ever-present THAT, and it is Self-evident that THAT Alone ever IS, was, and shall BE, THAT Awakening would probably be called Brahman * * But again, this is not a static state, as small-selves or I-particles constantly emerge from THAT-US and get our attention with specific need/desire-vectors, and remain in orbit until we give them what they need, whereupon they again surrender into Us. So this small self-Big Self tension and resolution continues over and over, playing out the progress from ignorance through C.C., G.C., and U.C. for each small self, again and again, even in so-called Brahman.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do nothing and accomplish everything.
question: does the knowledge/realization of do nothing and accomplish everything affect the content of one's choices? (apart from intellectualizing about the topic); for example - say - in the event that your next door neighbor's house is being being invaded by would-be robbers. Or, protecting yourself or others from muggers. Or, going to a doctor when necessary. Thx ... The apparent dream people are performing apparent acts in the apparent dream world; which - unfortunately, leads to no edifying conclusions as to cause and effect, whatsoever; and may bring us back to square one in terms of which actions to perform, or not. If a dream person is being attacked by a mugger, do something about it, dream or not. The real question is one of importance to the apparent dreamers: if in that world, there is some value in performing certain actions as opposed to others. Game theory addresses the riddles without necessarily answering them, or the Paradoxes. In game theory, various values or weights are attached to choices; and the story bascially ends there; then basically wait for the outcome. The Self is equally uninvolved in both the E. and un-E'd people; as well as for rocks, the sky, radioactive babies, whatever. E. doesn't necessarily change the content of choices. http://www.fantasygallery.net/demoray/art_3_the-deadly-departed.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I interpret this as meaning do nothing as the self, and everything will be accomplished by the Self. In waking state it makes no sense at all. FWIW, that's the exact opposite of what MMY meant by it, with reference to the Gita. For the enlightened person, it's the Self that is the nondoer, and the self that acts according to the dictates of the gunas. * * That was my first thought too, Judy. But then I saw what Jim meant -- when we (small selves) are surrendered to Wholeness (big Self), it appears that Wholeness is running the whole show, and we do nothing. But from the other point of view, as the Gita says, We as wholeness do nothing, and the I-particles, the small selves, do it all. I suspect that no-one actually does anything, big-S or small-s, but it all just gets done (or appears to get done) anyhow. Who does a dream, anyway? The dreamer isn't doing anything but watching it unfold, and the dream-characters don't really exist as separate entities, so they aren't really doing anything, either, though when we are identified with one of the characters, we sure think we are doing something!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do nothing and accomplish everything.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: question: does the knowledge/realization of do nothing and accomplish everything affect the content of one's choices? (apart from intellectualizing about the topic); for example - say - in the event that your next door neighbor's house is being being invaded by would-be robbers. Or, protecting yourself or others from muggers. Or, going to a doctor when necessary. Thx * * It's an interesting question, Yifu, but I'm not sure how to answer it, as you appear at times to be asking me to consider hypotheticals as if they really exist. Action continues, if that's what you mean. My neighbor's house has never been invaded by would-be robbers. I am not as a rule aware of any muggers to protect myself or others from. My world is generally harmonious and loving. On the one occasion about 27 years ago when I felt that potential muggers were considering my wife and me and another woman as targets, I simply became very very large and they left us alone. I do go to the doctor or the dentist when necessary. I suppose were violence actually required of me for some reason, I would be whole-heartedly and lovingly violent. I have no problem being angry when anger is required, or having another be angry at me; anger is love too. Sometimes a good storm is just what is needed to clear the air. The apparent dream people are performing apparent acts in the apparent dream world; which - unfortunately, leads to no edifying conclusions as to cause and effect, whatsoever; and may bring us back to square one in terms of which actions to perform, or not. * * Generally speaking, you know what to do in any given moment, don't you? Or if you don't, your body does :-) If a dream person is being attacked by a mugger, do something about it, dream or not. The real question is one of importance to the apparent dreamers: if in that world, there is some value in performing certain actions as opposed to others. * * Of course we do something about it, dream or not. Action continues. And if we do the best we can, that is all that we can do, and all that Wholeness asks of us. And in any given moment, we all of us are indeed doing the very best we can as it appears to us in that moment, all things considered. So we are actually all of us performing, moment by moment, the very best action possible for us to do. It is not fair to second-guess ourselves or others harshly after the fact for having made a mistake. We all learn by trial and error, in a kind of cybernetic feedback. Everything, even our rebellions and mistakes, are actually perfectly helping Wholeness to expand to where it was not, and we all are always, consciously or not, perfectly serving the will of Wholeness, doing right action. Game theory addresses the riddles without necessarily answering them, or the Paradoxes. In game theory, various values or weights are attached to choices; and the story bascially ends there; then basically wait for the outcome. The Self is equally uninvolved in both the E. and un-E'd people; as well as for rocks, the sky, radioactive babies, whatever. E. doesn't necessarily change the content of choices. * * On the one hand nothing has changed; on the other hand Awakening has radically shifted everything, in that I am fearless and whole and loving and act as I must in each moment, regardless of hypothetical consequences. Now, being in a sense dead, I live entirely for others, as it were. I delight in ushering my hungry-ghost children or I-particles back Home into their perfect Paradises. But it is still an entirely selfish act for me to do so, as in helping enlighten others I am actually only refining my own bodily enlightenment. There is really only one body here: Ours.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do nothing and accomplish everything.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: question: does the knowledge/realization of do nothing and accomplish everything affect the content of one's choices? (apart from intellectualizing about the topic); Good question. I don't see how it could fail to affect one's choices. The intellectualizing you speak of in this case amounts to maintaining a deep, fundamental, core belief that someone or something *else* other than self does everything. If one truly believes this, how much effort -- however half-hearted it may be -- are they really going to put into doing themselves? for example - say - in the event that your next door neighbor's house is being being invaded by would-be robbers. Or, protecting yourself or others from muggers. Or, going to a doctor when necessary. Thx As I suspect you're suggesting, I've seen True Believers in the I am not the doer theory do absolutely nothing in such circumstances. And then -- the capper as far as I'm concerned in terms of intellectual dishonesty -- whine and moan about the unfairness of it all, and how what was done by the God or Laws Of Nature they claim to believe in was off this time, and treated them unfairly. I suspect you've seen the same thing. The apparent dream people are performing apparent acts in the apparent dream world; which - unfortunately, leads to no edifying conclusions as to cause and effect, whatsoever; and may bring us back to square one in terms of which actions to perform, or not. This has never concerned me because personally I have never bought into the the world is an illusion meme. For whatever reason, I always gravitated -- even in my TB TM days -- to MMY's Knowledge [and reality] is different in different states of consciousness meme. For me, the relative world very *much* exists. And so does the absolute. The latter does not invalidate the existence of the former, and does not in any way mean that the relative world doesn't really exist. They are just separate realities defined to some extent by the predominant states of consciousness associated with them and perceiving them. Therefore, if I find myself in a relative world situation, confronted by the need to make a decision, at the back of my mind there is NOT the nagging thought that says, This does not really exist. And even if it did, I'm not the person making the decision. That's something that the TB I am not the doer types might be subconsciously thinking. My subconscious, on the other hand, would be thinking, This appears to be a very real situation in a very real world that requires me to make a very real decision. Ain't no one or nothing going to make that decision for me, and I wouldn't want them to if they/it could. I am content with making my own decisions, thank you. If a dream person is being attacked by a mugger, do something about it, dream or not. Exactly. Kick the dream mugger's ass. How much force you choose to use when doing so depends on the particular reality of the dream. If it's a sleep dream, you can cut the mugger up into small bits and feed him to your dream pets. Try this in a waking dream and you're gonna do more time in prison than the mugger would. One of the corollaries of believing in separate realities as I do is that one has to keep track of which one one is operating in, and the rules and regs associated with that level of reality. :-) The real question is one of importance to the apparent dreamers: if in that world, there is some value in performing certain actions as opposed to others. This is the bottom line of what I see as the essentially intellectually dishonest stance of the I am not the doer types. Many of them, if forced to declare what they really believe, believe that nothing they do is really done by them. On the other hand, would they ever miss doing one of the things that they believe helps them achieve enlighten- ment more quickly? No way. They would not skip a meditation or a dome session. They wouldn't eat meat, even if it *was* God or the Laws Of Nature that put it on the plate in front of them when dining at a friend's house. *While* claiming that they are not the doers, they do all the time -- 24/7 every day. They even do while performing the meditations they wouldn't skip on a bet, *choosing* to come back to the mantra when they find that they are not thinking it. In other words, they live (as I see it) in a 24/7 form of cognitive dissonance -- believing that the world works one way, but living in a manner that implies it works exactly the opposite. I never have to deal with that cognitive dissonance, because my internal view of how the world works -- both relative and absolute -- is consistent when dealing with either. Since I believe that the relative world abso- lutely exists, and that my actions there are not only in my control and matter, I do when acting in that world. In meditation, if I choose to let go and allow my mind to settle into a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do nothing and accomplish everything.
Hi Judy and Rory, Its a perception thing - I exist as an individual entity with all my wondrous gifts and challenges, surrounded by a seamless fabric of invisible dynamism, of tangible pregnancy, potential and love, like being able to easily breathe underwater again. After so many lifetimes I forgot what the ocean feels like, always there, a liquid fabric of infinite connections to play in, and interact with. Everything I do is so intrinsically a part of that which surrounds me, so that the bodily entity of me reduces down to virtually nothing, except the same pure expression as that which surrounds me. Nothing becomes everything, not by virtue of expanding nothing, but rather, by bringing it into sync with everything else; the self does nothing, and the Self accomplishes everything. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I interpret this as meaning do nothing as the self, and everything will be accomplished by the Self. In waking state it makes no sense at all. FWIW, that's the exact opposite of what MMY meant by it, with reference to the Gita. For the enlightened person, it's the Self that is the nondoer, and the self that acts according to the dictates of the gunas. * * That was my first thought too, Judy. But then I saw what Jim meant -- when we (small selves) are surrendered to Wholeness (big Self), it appears that Wholeness is running the whole show, and we do nothing. But from the other point of view, as the Gita says, We as wholeness do nothing, and the I-particles, the small selves, do it all. I suspect that no-one actually does anything, big-S or small-s, but it all just gets done (or appears to get done) anyhow. Who does a dream, anyway? The dreamer isn't doing anything but watching it unfold, and the dream-characters don't really exist as separate entities, so they aren't really doing anything, either, though when we are identified with one of the characters, we sure think we are doing something!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do nothing and accomplish everything.
Small self surrounded by Big Self is not anything of value. CC precedes GC precedes UC. If you think you're having some kind of UC experience when not already in CC (no small self), then you're not having UC. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I interpret this as meaning do nothing as the self, and everything will be accomplished by the Self. In waking state it makes no sense at all. FWIW, that's the exact opposite of what MMY meant by it, with reference to the Gita. For the enlightened person, it's the Self that is the nondoer, and the self that acts according to the dictates of the gunas. * * That was my first thought too, Judy. But then I saw what Jim meant -- when we (small selves) are surrendered to Wholeness (big Self), it appears that Wholeness is running the whole show, and we do nothing. But from the other point of view, as the Gita says, We as wholeness do nothing, and the I-particles, the small selves, do it all. I suspect that no-one actually does anything, big-S or small-s, but it all just gets done (or appears to get done) anyhow. Who does a dream, anyway? The dreamer isn't doing anything but watching it unfold, and the dream-characters don't really exist as separate entities, so they aren't really doing anything, either, though when we are identified with one of the characters, we sure think we are doing something!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do nothing and accomplish everything.
Wasn't challenging anybody's perception, BTW, just wanted to point out how the guy who coined the phrase meant it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Hi Judy and Rory, Its a perception thing - I exist as an individual entity with all my wondrous gifts and challenges, surrounded by a seamless fabric of invisible dynamism, of tangible pregnancy, potential and love, like being able to easily breathe underwater again. After so many lifetimes I forgot what the ocean feels like, always there, a liquid fabric of infinite connections to play in, and interact with. Everything I do is so intrinsically a part of that which surrounds me, so that the bodily entity of me reduces down to virtually nothing, except the same pure expression as that which surrounds me. Nothing becomes everything, not by virtue of expanding nothing, but rather, by bringing it into sync with everything else; the self does nothing, and the Self accomplishes everything. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I interpret this as meaning do nothing as the self, and everything will be accomplished by the Self. In waking state it makes no sense at all. FWIW, that's the exact opposite of what MMY meant by it, with reference to the Gita. For the enlightened person, it's the Self that is the nondoer, and the self that acts according to the dictates of the gunas. * * That was my first thought too, Judy. But then I saw what Jim meant -- when we (small selves) are surrendered to Wholeness (big Self), it appears that Wholeness is running the whole show, and we do nothing. But from the other point of view, as the Gita says, We as wholeness do nothing, and the I-particles, the small selves, do it all. I suspect that no-one actually does anything, big-S or small-s, but it all just gets done (or appears to get done) anyhow. Who does a dream, anyway? The dreamer isn't doing anything but watching it unfold, and the dream-characters don't really exist as separate entities, so they aren't really doing anything, either, though when we are identified with one of the characters, we sure think we are doing something!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do nothing and accomplish everything.
Hi, Jim! Yes, that is exactly what I was trying to express below, only you did it better :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Hi Judy and Rory, Its a perception thing - I exist as an individual entity with all my wondrous gifts and challenges, surrounded by a seamless fabric of invisible dynamism, of tangible pregnancy, potential and love, like being able to easily breathe underwater again. After so many lifetimes I forgot what the ocean feels like, always there, a liquid fabric of infinite connections to play in, and interact with. Everything I do is so intrinsically a part of that which surrounds me, so that the bodily entity of me reduces down to virtually nothing, except the same pure expression as that which surrounds me. Nothing becomes everything, not by virtue of expanding nothing, but rather, by bringing it into sync with everything else; the self does nothing, and the Self accomplishes everything. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I interpret this as meaning do nothing as the self, and everything will be accomplished by the Self. In waking state it makes no sense at all. FWIW, that's the exact opposite of what MMY meant by it, with reference to the Gita. For the enlightened person, it's the Self that is the nondoer, and the self that acts according to the dictates of the gunas. * * That was my first thought too, Judy. But then I saw what Jim meant -- when we (small selves) are surrendered to Wholeness (big Self), it appears that Wholeness is running the whole show, and we do nothing. But from the other point of view, as the Gita says, We as wholeness do nothing, and the I-particles, the small selves, do it all. I suspect that no-one actually does anything, big-S or small-s, but it all just gets done (or appears to get done) anyhow. Who does a dream, anyway? The dreamer isn't doing anything but watching it unfold, and the dream-characters don't really exist as separate entities, so they aren't really doing anything, either, though when we are identified with one of the characters, we sure think we are doing something!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do nothing and accomplish everything.
* * Hi, Lawson. I believe I see where you're coming from here, but it appears Jim is speaking of something else. From the POV of a small self lost/found in Brahman we could say small self surrendered into Big Self is virtually nothing and does nothing of itself -- of myself I do nothing; not I but the Father which is in me. And Brahman is not a particular experience you can have, whether of UC or anything else. You don't have Brahman; Brahman has you! Yum! :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Small self surrounded by Big Self is not anything of value. CC precedes GC precedes UC. If you think you're having some kind of UC experience when not already in CC (no small self), then you're not having UC. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I interpret this as meaning do nothing as the self, and everything will be accomplished by the Self. In waking state it makes no sense at all. FWIW, that's the exact opposite of what MMY meant by it, with reference to the Gita. For the enlightened person, it's the Self that is the nondoer, and the self that acts according to the dictates of the gunas. * * That was my first thought too, Judy. But then I saw what Jim meant -- when we (small selves) are surrendered to Wholeness (big Self), it appears that Wholeness is running the whole show, and we do nothing. But from the other point of view, as the Gita says, We as wholeness do nothing, and the I-particles, the small selves, do it all. I suspect that no-one actually does anything, big-S or small-s, but it all just gets done (or appears to get done) anyhow. Who does a dream, anyway? The dreamer isn't doing anything but watching it unfold, and the dream-characters don't really exist as separate entities, so they aren't really doing anything, either, though when we are identified with one of the characters, we sure think we are doing something!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do nothing and accomplish everything.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I interpret this as meaning do nothing as the self, and everything will be accomplished by the Self. In waking state it makes no sense at all. FWIW, that's the exact opposite of what MMY meant by it, with reference to the Gita. For the enlightened person, it's the Self that is the nondoer, and the self that acts according to the dictates of the gunas. Perhaps it's Mother Nature/aka the Gunas, that rally to support your every desire because they are in tune with natural law. It's MMY's explanation of the support of nature.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do nothing and accomplish everything.
It is so intriguing and difficult to capture that space between us and everything else, where no clear lines of division exist, and yet in order to function in the world such divisions create unfathomable beauty and questions and challenges, an utterly chaotic, perfect orderliness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: Hi, Jim! Yes, that is exactly what I was trying to express below, only you did it better :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Hi Judy and Rory, Its a perception thing - I exist as an individual entity with all my wondrous gifts and challenges, surrounded by a seamless fabric of invisible dynamism, of tangible pregnancy, potential and love, like being able to easily breathe underwater again. After so many lifetimes I forgot what the ocean feels like, always there, a liquid fabric of infinite connections to play in, and interact with. Everything I do is so intrinsically a part of that which surrounds me, so that the bodily entity of me reduces down to virtually nothing, except the same pure expression as that which surrounds me. Nothing becomes everything, not by virtue of expanding nothing, but rather, by bringing it into sync with everything else; the self does nothing, and the Self accomplishes everything. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I interpret this as meaning do nothing as the self, and everything will be accomplished by the Self. In waking state it makes no sense at all. FWIW, that's the exact opposite of what MMY meant by it, with reference to the Gita. For the enlightened person, it's the Self that is the nondoer, and the self that acts according to the dictates of the gunas. * * That was my first thought too, Judy. But then I saw what Jim meant -- when we (small selves) are surrendered to Wholeness (big Self), it appears that Wholeness is running the whole show, and we do nothing. But from the other point of view, as the Gita says, We as wholeness do nothing, and the I-particles, the small selves, do it all. I suspect that no-one actually does anything, big-S or small-s, but it all just gets done (or appears to get done) anyhow. Who does a dream, anyway? The dreamer isn't doing anything but watching it unfold, and the dream-characters don't really exist as separate entities, so they aren't really doing anything, either, though when we are identified with one of the characters, we sure think we are doing something!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do nothing and accomplish everything.
Yep, its all about the music.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I interpret this as meaning do nothing as the self, and everything will be accomplished by the Self. In waking state it makes no sense at all. FWIW, that's the exact opposite of what MMY meant by it, with reference to the Gita. For the enlightened person, it's the Self that is the nondoer, and the self that acts according to the dictates of the gunas. Perhaps it's Mother Nature/aka the Gunas, that rally to support your every desire because they are in tune with natural law. It's MMY's explanation of the support of nature.
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Dear L - why this fascination with dead guys and their dead words, me prefers alive people and words, would rather listen to a St. Goff than a St. Thomas :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Small self surrounded by Big Self is not anything of value. CC precedes GC precedes UC. If you think you're having some kind of UC experience when not already in CC (no small self), then you're not having UC. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I interpret this as meaning do nothing as the self, and everything will be accomplished by the Self. In waking state it makes no sense at all. FWIW, that's the exact opposite of what MMY meant by it, with reference to the Gita. For the enlightened person, it's the Self that is the nondoer, and the self that acts according to the dictates of the gunas. * * That was my first thought too, Judy. But then I saw what Jim meant -- when we (small selves) are surrendered to Wholeness (big Self), it appears that Wholeness is running the whole show, and we do nothing. But from the other point of view, as the Gita says, We as wholeness do nothing, and the I-particles, the small selves, do it all. I suspect that no-one actually does anything, big-S or small-s, but it all just gets done (or appears to get done) anyhow. Who does a dream, anyway? The dreamer isn't doing anything but watching it unfold, and the dream-characters don't really exist as separate entities, so they aren't really doing anything, either, though when we are identified with one of the characters, we sure think we are doing something!
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Beautiful Jim - this and your previous post, you have articulated the indescribable in words quite well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: It is so intriguing and difficult to capture that space between us and everything else, where no clear lines of division exist, and yet in order to function in the world such divisions create unfathomable beauty and questions and challenges, an utterly chaotic, perfect orderliness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: Hi, Jim! Yes, that is exactly what I was trying to express below, only you did it better :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Hi Judy and Rory, Its a perception thing - I exist as an individual entity with all my wondrous gifts and challenges, surrounded by a seamless fabric of invisible dynamism, of tangible pregnancy, potential and love, like being able to easily breathe underwater again. After so many lifetimes I forgot what the ocean feels like, always there, a liquid fabric of infinite connections to play in, and interact with. Everything I do is so intrinsically a part of that which surrounds me, so that the bodily entity of me reduces down to virtually nothing, except the same pure expression as that which surrounds me. Nothing becomes everything, not by virtue of expanding nothing, but rather, by bringing it into sync with everything else; the self does nothing, and the Self accomplishes everything. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I interpret this as meaning do nothing as the self, and everything will be accomplished by the Self. In waking state it makes no sense at all. FWIW, that's the exact opposite of what MMY meant by it, with reference to the Gita. For the enlightened person, it's the Self that is the nondoer, and the self that acts according to the dictates of the gunas. * * That was my first thought too, Judy. But then I saw what Jim meant -- when we (small selves) are surrendered to Wholeness (big Self), it appears that Wholeness is running the whole show, and we do nothing. But from the other point of view, as the Gita says, We as wholeness do nothing, and the I-particles, the small selves, do it all. I suspect that no-one actually does anything, big-S or small-s, but it all just gets done (or appears to get done) anyhow. Who does a dream, anyway? The dreamer isn't doing anything but watching it unfold, and the dream-characters don't really exist as separate entities, so they aren't really doing anything, either, though when we are identified with one of the characters, we sure think we are doing something!
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I enjoy trying to express it. These guys said it very well- Within You Without You/Tomorrow Never Knows by the Beatles with original promotional video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x07N5uoWpIo --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Beautiful Jim - this and your previous post, you have articulated the indescribable in words quite well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: It is so intriguing and difficult to capture that space between us and everything else, where no clear lines of division exist, and yet in order to function in the world such divisions create unfathomable beauty and questions and challenges, an utterly chaotic, perfect orderliness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: Hi, Jim! Yes, that is exactly what I was trying to express below, only you did it better :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Hi Judy and Rory, Its a perception thing - I exist as an individual entity with all my wondrous gifts and challenges, surrounded by a seamless fabric of invisible dynamism, of tangible pregnancy, potential and love, like being able to easily breathe underwater again. After so many lifetimes I forgot what the ocean feels like, always there, a liquid fabric of infinite connections to play in, and interact with. Everything I do is so intrinsically a part of that which surrounds me, so that the bodily entity of me reduces down to virtually nothing, except the same pure expression as that which surrounds me. Nothing becomes everything, not by virtue of expanding nothing, but rather, by bringing it into sync with everything else; the self does nothing, and the Self accomplishes everything. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I interpret this as meaning do nothing as the self, and everything will be accomplished by the Self. In waking state it makes no sense at all. FWIW, that's the exact opposite of what MMY meant by it, with reference to the Gita. For the enlightened person, it's the Self that is the nondoer, and the self that acts according to the dictates of the gunas. * * That was my first thought too, Judy. But then I saw what Jim meant -- when we (small selves) are surrendered to Wholeness (big Self), it appears that Wholeness is running the whole show, and we do nothing. But from the other point of view, as the Gita says, We as wholeness do nothing, and the I-particles, the small selves, do it all. I suspect that no-one actually does anything, big-S or small-s, but it all just gets done (or appears to get done) anyhow. Who does a dream, anyway? The dreamer isn't doing anything but watching it unfold, and the dream-characters don't really exist as separate entities, so they aren't really doing anything, either, though when we are identified with one of the characters, we sure think we are doing something!
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Yes it would seem to be only applicable to the inner. There are so many choices and decisions to make on the outer level but IME now being rooted in an inner silence it feels like there is tons of time to consider all the choices in a completely egoless manner. And after making the decision, not worrying about the result and being able to easily adapt to the new situation that may present and accept total responsibility for the results of any action - whether positive or negative, ready to accept praise or blame in absolute equanimity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: I interpret this as meaning do nothing as the self, and everything will be accomplished by the Self. In waking state it makes no sense at all.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: I interpret this as meaning do nothing as the self, and everything will be accomplished by the Self. In waking state it makes no sense at all. FWIW, that's the exact opposite of what MMY meant by it, with reference to the Gita. For the enlightened person, it's the Self that is the nondoer, and the self that acts according to the dictates of the gunas.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I interpret this as meaning do nothing as the self, and everything will be accomplished by the Self. In waking state it makes no sense at all. FWIW, that's the exact opposite of what MMY meant by it, with reference to the Gita. For the enlightened person, it's the Self that is the nondoer, and the self that acts according to the dictates of the gunas. * * That was my first thought too, Judy. But then I saw what Jim meant -- when we (small selves) are surrendered to Wholeness (big Self), it appears that Wholeness is running the whole show, and we do nothing. But from the other point of view, as the Gita says, We as wholeness do nothing, and the I-particles, the small selves, do it all. I suspect that no-one actually does anything, big-S or small-s, but it all just gets done (or appears to get done) anyhow. Who does a dream, anyway? The dreamer isn't doing anything but watching it unfold, and the dream-characters don't really exist as separate entities, so they aren't really doing anything, either, though when we are identified with one of the characters, we sure think we are doing something!
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By 'doing nothing' one could 'accomplish everything.' Lao Tzu writes: The Tao abides in non-action, Yet nothing is left undone. If kings and lords observed this, The ten thousand things would develop naturally. If they still desired to act, They would return to the simplicity of formless substance. Without form there is no desire. Without desire there is tranquillity. In this way all things would be at peace. In this way Taoist philosophy reached out to council rulers and advise them of how to govern their domains. Thus Taoism, in a peculiar and roundabout way, became a political philosophy. The formulation follows these lines: The Taoist sage has no ambitions, therefore he can never fail. He who never fails always succeeds. And he who always succeeds is all- powerful. http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Philosophy/Taichi/lao.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Lao Tsu taught that all straining, all striving are not only vain but counterproductive. One should endeavor to do nothing (wu-wei). But what does this mean? It means not to literally do nothing, but to discern and follow the natural forces -- to follow and shape the flow of events and not to pit oneself against the natural order of things. First and foremost to be spontaneous in ones actions. ... n this sense the Taoist doctrine of wu-wei can be understood as a way of mastering circumstances by understanding their nature or principal, and then shaping ones actions in accordance with these. This understanding has also infused the approach to movement as it is developed in Tai Chi Chuan. Understanding this, Taoist philosophy followed a very interesting circle. On the one hand the Taoists, rejected the Confucian attempts to regulate life and society and counseled instead to turn away from it to a solitary contemplation of nature. On the other hand they believed that by doing so one could ultimately harness the powers of the universe. By 'doing nothing' one could 'accomplish everything.' .. The Taoist philosophy can perhaps best be summed up in a quote from Chuang Tzu: To regard the fundamental as the essence, to regard things as coarse, to regard accumulation as deficiency, and to dwell quietly alone with the spiritual and the intelligent -- herein lie the techniques of Tao of the ancients. ... Whatever the truth, Taoism and Confucianism have to be seen side-by-side as two distinct responses to the social, political and philosophical conditions of life two and a half millennia ago in China. Whereas Confucianism is greatly concerned with social relations, conduct and human society, Taoism has a much more individualistic and mystical character, greatly influenced by nature. In Lao Tzu's view things were said to create unnatural action (wei) by shaping desires (yu). The process of learning the names (ming) used in the doctrines helped one to make distinctions between good and evil, beautiful and ugly, high and low, and being (yu) and non- being (wu), thereby shaping desires. To abandon knowledge was to abandon names, distinctions, tastes and desires. Thus spontaneous behavior (wu-wei) resulted http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Philosophy/Taichi/lao.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:UiwZdIWS7ogJ:www.well.com/user/jct/chapter2.html+do+nothing+and+accomplish+everythinghl=enclient=firefox-a http://www.well.com/user/jct/ Q: You are saying that all search is doomed because there is nothing to achieve or understand. U.G.: There is nothing to be achieved, nothing to accomplish. Because you have created the goal--say, selflessness--you remain stuck in selfishness. If the goal of selflessness is not there, are you selfish? You have invented selflessness as an object to pursue, meanwhile continuing to be selfish. How can you ever end your selfishness as long as you pursue selflessness? A certain amount of practical selfishness is necessary for survival, of course, but with you it has become a tremendous, unsolvable problem. Here there is no need to sit in special postures and control your breath. Even while my eyes are open, in fact no matter what I am doing, I am in a state of samadhi. The knowledge you have about samadhi is what is keeping you away from it. Samadhi comes after the ending of all you have ever known, at death. The body has to become like a corpse before that knowledge, which is locked into every cell in the body, ceases. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Just as the wind blowing back and forth Controls (the movement of) a piece of cotton, So shall I be controlled by joy, And in this way accomplish everything. http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:Qqan4agPBXwJ:www.american-buddha.com/bodhi.3.htm+do+nothing+and+accomplish+everythinghl=enclient=firefox-a Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lao Tsu taught that all straining, all striving are not only vain but counterproductive. and The Taoist sage has no ambitions, therefore he can never fail. He who never fails always succeeds. And he who always succeeds is all-powerful. I think it is worth remembering that Lao-tzu was the teacher who got so fed up with his students never learning anything and never finding their own realiz- ation that he quit teaching and left China altogether. But that's probably a coincidence. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lao Tsu taught that all straining, all striving are not only vain but counterproductive. and The Taoist sage has no ambitions, therefore he can never fail. He who never fails always succeeds. And he who always succeeds is all-powerful. I think it is worth remembering that Lao-tzu was the teacher who got so fed up with his students never learning anything and never finding their own realiz- ation that he quit teaching and left China altogether. Kind of like MMy in the US? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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And the wise know that they do not act. As the Lord knows that he does not act. Action in non-action Non-action in action Non-action in getting action Getting action with non-action This is the path of the Wise. Unc Sutras XIII, 32:4 as cognized by Akasha (upon visualizing the formless body of the Unc.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lao Tsu taught that all straining, all striving are not only vain but counterproductive. and The Taoist sage has no ambitions, therefore he can never fail. He who never fails always succeeds. And he who always succeeds is all-powerful. I think it is worth remembering that Lao-tzu was the teacher who got so fed up with his students never learning anything and never finding their own realiz- ation that he quit teaching and left China altogether. Kind of like MMy in the US? Certainly in Britain. I think it's called Tantrum yoga. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lao Tsu taught that all straining, all striving are not only vain but counterproductive. and The Taoist sage has no ambitions, therefore he can never fail. He who never fails always succeeds. And he who always succeeds is all-powerful. I think it is worth remembering that Lao-tzu was the teacher who got so fed up with his students never learning anything and never finding their own realiz- ation that he quit teaching and left China altogether. But that's probably a coincidence. :-) It's also just a legend. Virtually nothing is known for certain about Lao-tzu. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is worth remembering that Lao-tzu was the teacher who got so fed up with his students never learning anything and never finding their own realiz- ation that he quit teaching and left China altogether. Or perhaps not. it is said that on his retirement from public office [administration], Lao Tzu headed west, and that the guardian of the pass to the state of Ch'in requested that he write a treatise on the Tao before departing. It is then that Lao Tzu is supposed to have sat for two days, in which time he wrote the Tao Te Ching, after which he left, some writers stating that he was never heard of again, others describing his ascent to heaven in the form of a magnificent dragon. http://www.google.com/search?q=do+nothing+and+accomplish+everythinghl=enlr=client=firefox-arls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialstart=30sa=N Laotzu lived in Cheu for a long time; he prophesied the decay of that state and in consequence was obliged to depart, and went to the frontier. The officer at the border post was Yin-hi, who said to Laotzu, If you are going to leave us, will you not write a book by which we may remember you? Thereupon Laotzu wrote a book of sonnets in two parts, comprising in all about five thousand characters. In this book he discussed his conception of the Vitality of the Tao. He left this book with the soldier, and departed, no one knows whither. http://www.sacred-texts.com/tao/ltw/ltw02.htm Lao Tzu's work on Taoism is primarily an instruction for rulers. It says, for example, that the rule of the prince should go unnoticed by his subjects if he rules in conformity with the way of the universe. This ancient philosophy invites comparison with Adam Smith's invisible hand, but the Tao is largely spiritual rather than material in focus. Nevertheless, Lao Tzu did argue that a people ruled lightly in accordance with the Tao will become peaceful and prosperous. Moreover, the Tao says that concerns about government and its intrusiveness are common to all peoples and all times. http://oll.libertyfund.org/Intros/Authors/AncientAsia/LaoTzu.html He was appointed Keeper of the Imperial Archives by the King of Zhou in Luoyang. He studied the archive's books avidly and his insight grew. Hearing of Lao Tzu's wisdom, Confucius travelled to meet him. Confucius put a lot of emphasis on traditional rituals, customs and rites. Confucius asked Lao Tzu about performing rites and rituals. Lao Tzu replied: The bones of the people you are talking about have long since turned to dust! Only their word linger on. If a man's time comes, he will be successful; if not, he will not be successful. A successful merchant hides his wealth and a noble person of character will feign foolishness. Therefore, you should give up your proud airs, your desires, vanity and extravagant claims! They are useless to you. Later Confucius later told his students: Birds can fly, Fish can swim, Animals can run, So they can all be snared or trapped. But Lao Tzu is like a flying Dragon, un-trappable. Much later, Lao Tzu perceived that the kingdom's affairs were disintegrating , so it was time to leave. He was travelling West on a buffalo when he came to the Han Gu Pass, which was guarded. The keeper of the pass realised Lao Tzu was leaving permanently, so he requested that Lao Tzu write out some of his wisdom so that it could be preserved once he was gone (pictured on the right). Lao Tzu climbed down from his buffalo and immediately wrote the Tao Te Ching. He then left and was never heard of again. http://www.thetao.info/tao/laotzu.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do Nothing and Accomplish Everything
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Tao abides in non-action The Tao is pretty lazy then. The Tao obviously doesn't have kids. The Tao most likely has never kept a house. I would guess the Tao has never done much of any kind of work. The Tao sounds like he must hvae a pretty nice nest-egg. Perhaps the Tao would like to swtich places with a regular person for a day and then maybe he would develop a philosophy that actually works. Sal Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
