Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 9:52:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind I always enjoy your comments Bob. I am trying to sort things out. ***BP2: Steve, your participation is always appreciated. I think one of the things we might share is the joy in creating employment for others. One of my favorite threads was you explaining to the great unwashed why you stiffed that waiter! Having negotiated contracts in Abu Dhabi, I knew exactly what you were getting at. Bullying is based on one party being weaker than another. ***I know you're not so simple as to think this explains bullying. If you used this explanation to explain bullying to a child, they might be forgiven for concluding that bullying is done out of strength while resisting a bully is form of weakness (I know you don't think that). We both know, if anything, bullying demonstrates a type of inadequacy (weakness) in the bully. So what. I think we're past the point of trying to modify behavior, or get to the root cause of our behaviors. I mean, at the risk of sounding arrogant, I'm not. It's something I think about every day. But for the purposes of FFL, I think we can go with Curtis' definition. ***BP2: I'm from the school of: Empty your hand gun into that shaking bush and if you get a few innocents that's just the cost of doing business. That said, I think FFL is grown up enough to consider my definition of bullying as well as the dictionary definition. When I'm working on characterization, the last book i pick up is the dictionary, this could be a failing of mine. I don't see how that applies here.  What situation makes Robin weaker than Barry in their power position on a public board, and therefor subject to bullying? ***I didn't say Robin was the weaker party---quite the contrary, who would you want watching your back on Safari? I would have to disagree. I would not remove Barry from the category of being a loyal friend. I can't relate to the manner in which he goes after Robin, for example, but I understand the impulse. I often have the same impulses, but I guess I put a greater value on trying to find common ground, on trying to get along. I know that is how people coexist in a more harmonious fashion. ***BP2: Its no put down on anyone; it's just when I go on Safari---I prefer someone with high emotional intelligence. I also like to get along; particularly with lions. Posting here has an emotional learning curve.  You learn who to hang with and who to ignore. You are one of the good ones here. What I find unfortunate is that the rancor drives people away. I suppose Barry might say, if you can't stand the heat And of course that's true. And as Curtis has pointed out, there are so many ways to make a point without unleashing both barrels. Like just remaining silent for example. But maybe that's where the glitch is. Feeling you need to blast, when there's no need to say anything. You know, the live and let live thing. ***BP2: I would always hope that no one is ever driven away because that increases the chances that someone will say something nice about me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: What I find unfortunate is that the rancor drives people away. I suppose Barry might say, if you can't stand the heat.. Actually, what Barry might say is, If someone has told you in no uncertain terms that they don't find either you or the things you say interesting, accept that and walk away. It seems to me that most of the noise on this forum is being made by people who can't do that. They react to being dismissed as uninteresting by acting even more needy and panicky -- and thus uninteresting -- than ever. It's a vicious samskaric circle. Get over it. If you're that needy, find someone who does think you're interesting enough to talk to and talk with them. Not gonna happen with me. This comment is directed towards Robin, Jim, Ravi, and Judy, and to no one else on this forum. Please catch a clue from it and stop acting like such attention vampires, Ok?
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Nothing panicky about us, Cherry.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: What I find unfortunate is that the rancor drives people away. I suppose Barry might say, if you can't stand the heat.. Actually, what Barry might say is, If someone has told you in no uncertain terms that they don't find either you or the things you say interesting, accept that and walk away. It seems to me that most of the noise on this forum is being made by people who can't do that. They react to being dismissed as uninteresting by acting even more needy and panicky -- and thus uninteresting -- than ever. It's a vicious samskaric circle. Get over it. If you're that needy, find someone who does think you're interesting enough to talk to and talk with them. Not gonna happen with me. This comment is directed towards Robin, Jim, Ravi, and Judy, and to no one else on this forum. Please catch a clue from it and stop acting like such attention vampires, Ok?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: And don't think I haven't noted your own lack of intervening when the guns are pointed my way unfairly. Whose guns, Nabby's? Is he still hurt because I called his music hillbilly ??
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Barry, you ever seen an elephant dunk a basketball? You knew that Tony retired yesterday, right? Advice: Think of Steve Jobs when you design your next post. Make sure it's beautiful even on the inside where no one can see it. Mitt's special underwear lasted longer than poor Fred. In Joplin they really know how to cry now. I think it was those Kansas City fans who made Philip fumble, don't you? You gotta live so you can say Wow too. And what do you think Sylvia said to Ted at their invisible reunion? The perfect book for you: Learning to Die in Miami by Carlos Eire. Ayaan was very beautiful, and she wrote inside the first page. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: What I find unfortunate is that the rancor drives people away. I suppose Barry might say, if you can't stand the heat.. Actually, what Barry might say is, If someone has told you in no uncertain terms that they don't find either you or the things you say interesting, accept that and walk away. It seems to me that most of the noise on this forum is being made by people who can't do that. They react to being dismissed as uninteresting by acting even more needy and panicky -- and thus uninteresting -- than ever. It's a vicious samskaric circle. Get over it. If you're that needy, find someone who does think you're interesting enough to talk to and talk with them. Not gonna happen with me. This comment is directed towards Robin, Jim, Ravi, and Judy, and to no one else on this forum. Please catch a clue from it and stop acting like such attention vampires, Ok?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Actually your comments on them, including in this post, demonstrate that you haven't read nearly enough. ME: You actually wrote that with a straight face? I have read more than enough, we just disagree on the perspective. I just pointed out some of the things you were missing. It isn't only perspective. Perspective is gained by choosing what to pay attention to and what to ignore, how to weight different things. I avoid them because they are kind of mean on both sides. And here's an example: They're always mean on Barry's side. But not on mine. Moreover, many of his mean posts about me and others *are addressed to you*. If I say something negative to you about Barry, you usually defend him. If he says something negative to you about me, you almost always just ignore it. ME: Your score card might be right. I try to pick my battles here like everyone else. It wouldn't surprise me if I had bias. Thanks for admitting you have double standards. Oh snap! How wicked. I have different standards for each poster here. For example if I post to Ravi, I know I am going to get a rash of abuse that I would not tolerate unanswered from you for example. When I interact with him, I now what I am dealing with and accept the limits of the interaction. Your attempt to frame my honest response as if it is the simple bad double standard is one of the limits that I accept when I interact with you. I know that many things I say will be twisted into something unflattering. I accept that and move on. But if say Steve tried that, I would give him a rash of shit back because I hold him to a higher standard of not pulling that crap with me. snip Just for one thing, if one were to read my posts that comment on Barry's, one would find that a significant number of them--I'd guess at least 50 percent--are not simply insults; quite a few are not insulting at all. Rather, they involve reasoned, noninflammatory analysis of points that Barry has made. ME: And often in demeaning language that is pretty much guarenteed to continue the ill will. And there's another example demonstrating that you haven't read enough to say. Heck, you didn't even read what *I* just said. Reasoned, noninflammatory analysis is the opposite of demeaning. ME: So you pick 50% as insulting. (Says Curtis, carefully ignoring my point about his mistake.) I am rejecting your attempt to characterize your responses that way. It is self serving claptrap. Those are mostly the ones responding to his insults to me. And as prolific as you are here, and as Barry focused, that 50% number is mindnumbingly high. Barry routinely lies about the percentage of my posts that are about him. OK so give me the exact number I should subtract from mindnumbingly high to get to the right number. snip Barry's posts having to do with me are *always* demeaning. ME: No need to argue with this, it sounds right. I'll take your word that this is how you feel about all of them. No, you're saying it wrong. They're *objectively* demeaning. Here is where we part company. You don't seem to realize your own biases here. I have seen you take grave offense over things which I don't view the way you do. So sorry if I don't take your opinion as an objective gold standard on Barry. (You might be a teensy bit biased in that case.) There are other lopsided elements as well. I don't *make up* stuff about Barry, for instance. And this. ME: He gets your goat by talking trash. Gets a rise every time. So it's perfectly OK for him to lie about me (and others) if it gets a rise out of us? Let's discuss the concept of OK because this is a key to understanding how our POVs differ here. On a public board in a free country, it is OK for anyone to express any opinion, even one that is unflattering. If you want to understand the meaning of freedom of speech rights, explore them with someone whose opinion you disagree with. That same right allows you to counter that POV with your own. If you are equating personal preference with OK then I would prefer that all of us would be truthful and loving at all times here. But if you mean OK as in, it is horrible that he expresses something that I believe is untrue so that I have no choice but to dog him out over every perceived transgression...I say go for it girl, Have fun with that and don't try to portray it as some ethical duty revealing your virtue and that anyone who does not join your mission as having lower ethical standards. Boy, I'd like to see how you'd react if he were lying about you day
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ME: There are examples. Jim and I authfriend: This isn't an example that relates to what I just wrote. Barry can't stand any kind of criticism, he just goes bat-shit crazy when you do that. Barry is also very prejudiced about people in general. As a spiritual teacher Barry sucks, big time. Where I come from, when others are silent, that usually indicates agreement. But remember, the guilty always scream the loudest. LoL! As some have noticed, I have a low tolerance threshold when it comes to idiots who show up on Internet forums I frequent and bring a hidden agenda with them. I suspect everybody does, but it is more obvious in my case because I am often merciless about insulting these idiots and ripping them a new asshole verbally. Here's why. It saves time. So my theory is that I just lay into them hard -- insult them, make fun of them, do everything I possibly can to push their buttons. And what happens? Because they have an agenda, they always react angrily, and in that anger stop trying to *hide* their agenda. They start saying things and revealing things that otherwise might have taken weeks for everybody to figure out. It's a neat technique. I highly recommend it. It saves time... From: Uncle Tantra Subject: Agendananda Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: February 16, 2003
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: And don't think I haven't noted your own lack of intervening when the guns are pointed my way unfairly. Whose guns, Nabby's? Is he still hurt because I called his music hillbilly ?? You cut out the most insulting part where she said: Get real. Apparently you have no guns according to Judy, Nabbie. But back to my least favorite insult here. You Euros and Brits so often get this wrong and it is maddening to a blues preservationist. This is why we got that abomination of the Rolling Stones cover of Robert Johnson's Love in Vain in a white country style! Hillbilly music was influenced by Irish and Scottish immigrants and their folk music. African Americans invented the blues style. Hank Williams might be seen as an intersection of country and black blues and of course the early Elvis. Then you have some early bluesmen like Tommy Johnson throwing in some yodeling into their blues mixing the styles a bit. But the music I perform comes from the black side of the tracks. There is zero hillbilly influence. So tell me my music sucks or that I am an inept musician all you want. Claim that my blues is terrible in every way that blues can be rated. But calling it hillbilly music is like calling it disco. It blurs the lines that my life is dedicated to maintaining. The essence of the pure Delta non hillbilly blues Gets me every time Nabby but thanks for another opportunity to rant about my favorite topic so I really can't get mad at you.
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Curtis to Judy: He gets your goat by talking trash... maskedzebra: But the Barry thing will always strike a false note to me. Well, maybe not a false note, but a song that seems consciously off-key... Whatever you do, do not ever question Barry's status as the world's greatest spiritual teacher, because Barry has 'walked the walk', 'been there and done that'. Barry has read over 200 books on the Cathars! Excerpts from my first dialogs with Barry: From: Uncle Tantra Subject: Re: Question for Delia -- Catharism Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2003-09-11 01:26:49 PST Willy, Willy, Willy, you're such an idiot sometimes it actually inspires awe. :-) I'm not interested in cheap, cheezy shit you can find on the Net about the Cathars... From: Uncle Tantra Subject: Open Letter To Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2003-08-06 08:53:26 PST Willy, since fucking prairie dogs or whatever you do with your time doesn't seem to fill enough of it lately, and you've been going out of your way to associate me with Rama and thus with a big, bad cult figure, I figure I should explain a couple of things...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
On Nov 1, 2011, at 10:36 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: And don't think I haven't noted your own lack of intervening when the guns are pointed my way unfairly. Whose guns, Nabby's? Is he still hurt because I called his music hillbilly ?? You cut out the most insulting part where she said: Get real. Apparently you have no guns according to Judy, Nabbie. But back to my least favorite insult here. You Euros and Brits so often get this wrong and it is maddening to a blues preservationist. This is why we got that abomination of the Rolling Stones cover of Robert Johnson's Love in Vain in a white country style! Hillbilly music was influenced by Irish and Scottish immigrants and their folk music. African Americans invented the blues style. Hank Williams might be seen as an intersection of country and black blues and of course the early Elvis. Then you have some early bluesmen like Tommy Johnson throwing in some yodeling into their blues mixing the styles a bit. But the music I perform comes from the black side of the tracks. There is zero hillbilly influence. So tell me my music sucks or that I am an inept musician all you want. Claim that my blues is terrible in every way that blues can be rated. But calling it hillbilly music is like calling it disco. It blurs the lines that my life is dedicated to maintaining. The essence of the pure Delta non hillbilly blues Gets me every time Nabby but thanks for another opportunity to rant about my favorite topic so I really can't get mad at you. Howsabowt Deltabilly? Two hillbillies walk into a bar. While having a shot of whisky, they talk about their moonshine operation. Suddenly, a woman at a nearby table, who is eating a sandwich, begins to cough. And, after a minute or so, it becomes apparent that she is in real distress. One of the hillbillies looks at her and says, Kin ya swallar? The woman shakes her head no. Then he asks, Kin ya breathe? The woman begins to turn blue and shakes her head no. The hillbilly walks over to the woman, lifts up her dress, yanks down her drawers and quickly gives her right butt cheek a lick with his tongue. The woman is so shocked that she has a violent spasm and the obstruction flies out of her mouth. Saved! As she begins to breathe again, the Hillbilly walks slowly back to the bar. His friend says, Ya know, I'd heerd of that there 'Hind Lick Maneuver' but I ain't niver seed nobody do it!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: What I find unfortunate is that the rancor drives people away. I suppose Barry might say, if you can't stand the heat.. Actually, what Barry might say is, If someone has told you in no uncertain terms that they don't find either you or the things you say interesting, accept that and walk away. And if Barry were to say this, people might wonder: If he doesn't find them and the things they say interesting and counsels them to accept that and walk away, why is it that he can't seem to ignore them or to stop himself from insulting them day after day after day? He even boasts about 'pushing their buttons' and declares that he does it to get them to respond. Sounds very much as though he's incapable of walking his own talk.
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Vampire - No Attention - yes, love it !!! Interesting - Yes Vicious Samskaric Cycles - No Panicky - No Needy - Tricky question Sort of..needy of my beloved's love Thank you. On Nov 1, 2011, at 12:40 AM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: What I find unfortunate is that the rancor drives people away. I suppose Barry might say, if you can't stand the heat.. Actually, what Barry might say is, If someone has told you in no uncertain terms that they don't find either you or the things you say interesting, accept that and walk away. It seems to me that most of the noise on this forum is being made by people who can't do that. They react to being dismissed as uninteresting by acting even more needy and panicky -- and thus uninteresting -- than ever. It's a vicious samskaric circle. Get over it. If you're that needy, find someone who does think you're interesting enough to talk to and talk with them. Not gonna happen with me. This comment is directed towards Robin, Jim, Ravi, and Judy, and to no one else on this forum. Please catch a clue from it and stop acting like such attention vampires, Ok?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Actually your comments on them, including in this post, demonstrate that you haven't read nearly enough. ME: You actually wrote that with a straight face? I have read more than enough, we just disagree on the perspective. I just pointed out some of the things you were missing. It isn't only perspective. Perspective is gained by choosing what to pay attention to and what to ignore, how to weight different things. Then let's call it a *faulty* perspective created by poor choices that ensure you miss significant data. snip Moreover, many of his mean posts about me and others *are addressed to you*. If I say something negative to you about Barry, you usually defend him. If he says something negative to you about me, you almost always just ignore it. ME: Your score card might be right. I try to pick my battles here like everyone else. It wouldn't surprise me if I had bias. Thanks for admitting you have double standards. Oh snap! How wicked. I have different standards for each poster here. Which, in the case of defending Barry but not Judy, you acknowledge is bias. For example if I post to Ravi, I know I am going to get a rash of abuse that I would not tolerate unanswered from you for example. When I interact with him, I now what I am dealing with and accept the limits of the interaction. Different situation, not an example. Your attempt to frame my honest response as if it is the simple bad double standard is one of the limits that I accept when I interact with you. I know that many things I say will be twisted into something unflattering. Bias was your term, toots, not mine. I accept that and move on. But if say Steve tried that, I would give him a rash of shit back because I hold him to a higher standard of not pulling that crap with me. You mean, unlike the rash of shit you just gave me back? Just for one thing, if one were to read my posts that comment on Barry's, one would find that a significant number of them--I'd guess at least 50 percent--are not simply insults; quite a few are not insulting at all. Rather, they involve reasoned, noninflammatory analysis of points that Barry has made. ME: And often in demeaning language that is pretty much guarenteed to continue the ill will. And there's another example demonstrating that you haven't read enough to say. Heck, you didn't even read what *I* just said. Reasoned, noninflammatory analysis is the opposite of demeaning. ME: So you pick 50% as insulting. (Says Curtis, carefully ignoring my point about his mistake.) I am rejecting your attempt to characterize your responses that way. It is self serving claptrap. That rejection is a function of your having made poor choices about what to ignore, thereby missing significant data. And as prolific as you are here, and as Barry focused, that 50% number is mindnumbingly high. Barry routinely lies about the percentage of my posts that are about him. OK so give me the exact number I should subtract from mindnumbingly high to get to the right number. Depends on the week, of course. You'd have to do a search for each week for posts of mine containing Barry or turquoiseb, check to see how many included one of those words in what I had written *de novo* in that post, then calculate an average using the adjusted figures. When Barry does a search for a particular week, he omits the second step, so he includes posts containing quotes from other people or past posts of mine that mention him but nothing about him from me *de novo*, thus conveniently inflating the count. I already pointed this out in response to his most recent claim, but that was one of my posts you apparently chose to ignore, so you missed that data. Not to mention that some percentage of the posts that *are* commenting on something he said are of the reasoned analysis variety, not putdowns. Every time I've double-checked one of his claims about how many posts I've made that said something about him, the claim has been way off. But you appear to have missed the posts in which I pointed this out as well. His average calculation over 16 years in that recent post was up to 50 percent. That *would* be mind- numbingly high, but of course it doesn't happen very often, and up to is not an average in any case. Barry's posts having to do with me are *always* demeaning. ME: No need to argue with this, it sounds right. I'll take your word that this is how you feel about all of them. No, you're saying it wrong. They're
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: BTW, I think, if volume of verbiage count for anything, I deserve the award for the most ignored poster on FFL. Have you ever considered the possibility that there's a reason for this? Try writing about something that doesn't sound so much like an attempt to restart a soap opera that jumped the shark several seasons ago but that you're addicted to and don't want to see go off the air and I, for one, might respond. Perpetuating the same old same old, not inter- ested. No challenge in it. Suggested topics and koans: * Dexter and other lovable serial killers * The best beer to serve at a bris * If, as suggested in the recent film In Time, money is really replaced by time, how do you decide things? Flip a minute? * What is the sound of one obsessive being ignored? * Will they someday invent bottled True Attention for attention vampires so they can come out of the closet? * If volume of verbiage counted for anything in terms of how much attention you got here, would you write more, or less?
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Barry, In reference to your reviews, have ever considered what Truman Capote meant when he described Kerouac's writing: That isn't writing at all, it's typing. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 10:42:43 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: BTW, I think, if volume of verbiage count for anything, I deserve the award for the most ignored poster on FFL. Have you ever considered the possibility that there's a reason for this? Try writing about something that doesn't sound so much like an attempt to restart a soap opera that jumped the shark several seasons ago but that you're addicted to and don't want to see go off the air and I, for one, might respond. Perpetuating the same old same old, not inter- ested. No challenge in it. Suggested topics and koans: * Dexter and other lovable serial killers * The best beer to serve at a bris * If, as suggested in the recent film In Time, money is really replaced by time, how do you decide things? Flip a minute? * What is the sound of one obsessive being ignored? * Will they someday invent bottled True Attention for attention vampires so they can come out of the closet? * If volume of verbiage counted for anything in terms of how much attention you got here, would you write more, or less?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Barry, In reference to your reviews, have ever considered what Truman Capote meant when he described Kerouac's writing: That isn't writing at all, it's typing. No, but that's possibly because I don't recognize one of the names in your question. I and most lovers of literature recognize the name Kerouac, but who is this Truman guy you speak of? Wasn't he that guy who lived inside a big bubble that he thought was the whole universe?
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Manhattan will do that to ya, assumed you knew that. Do I have it right you feel superior to the guy that wrote half of: 'To Kill a Mockingbird (why do you think she only wrote one book) and all of In Cold Blood, and had two movies made about him---at the same time? Just a heads up; you might be showing just a bit too much leg on the homophobia front. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 11:25:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Barry, In reference to your reviews, have ever considered what Truman Capote meant when he described Kerouac's writing: That isn't writing at all, it's typing. No, but that's possibly because I don't recognize one of the names in your question. I and most lovers of literature recognize the name Kerouac, but who is this Truman guy you speak of? Wasn't he that guy who lived inside a big bubble that he thought was the whole universe?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Nov 1, 2011, at 1:25 PM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Barry, In reference to your reviews, have ever considered what Truman Capote meant when he described Kerouac's writing: That isn't writing at all, it's typing. No, but that's possibly because I don't recognize one of the names in your question. I and most lovers of literature recognize the name Kerouac, but who is this Truman guy you speak of? Wasn't he that guy who lived inside a big bubble that he thought was the whole universe? Actually Barry the one thing of Capote's I think you might like a lot is his posthumous novel, Answered Prayers. The main chapter is all about polite people~~the crème de la crème of NY society~~all saying really shitty things about each other, with gusto :) (They claimed they didn't know he was going to include them, thinly disguised~~ he claimed they should have since he was a writer.) That chapter was published in the New Yorker, and Capote immediately found himself shunned, possibly hastening his death. I admit to never having read anything by him, other than enough of a quick skim or two in a bookstore to enable me to realize that I find both his style and his choice of subject matter pedestrian. As for the article/book you mention, it doesn't sound like my cuppa tea. I have high standards, since when it comes to witty social barbs, my god is Oscar Wilde. He understood the distinction between being a queen and being a drama queen.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Nov 1, 2011, at 1:25 PM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Barry, In reference to your reviews, have ever considered what Truman Capote meant when he described Kerouac's writing: That isn't writing at all, it's typing. No, but that's possibly because I don't recognize one of the names in your question. I and most lovers of literature recognize the name Kerouac, but who is this Truman guy you speak of? Wasn't he that guy who lived inside a big bubble that he thought was the whole universe? Actually Barry the one thing of Capote's I think you might like a lot is his posthumous novel, Answered Prayers. The main chapter is all about polite people~~the crème de la crème of NY society~~all saying really shitty things about each other, with gusto :) (They claimed they didn't know he was going to include them, thinly disguised~~ he claimed they should have since he was a writer.) That chapter was published in the New Yorker, and Capote immediately found himself shunned, possibly hastening his death. I admit to never having read anything by him, other than enough of a quick skim or two in a bookstore to enable me to realize that I find both his style and his choice of subject matter pedestrian. As for the article/book you mention, it doesn't sound like my cuppa tea. I have high standards, since when it comes to witty social barbs, my god is Oscar Wilde. He understood the distinction between being a queen and being a drama queen. Ah, Oscar Wilde. Has anyone come close to his level? If so, let me know, I will read him/her.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: snip For example after I have stated my position with Judy I will drop the thread knowing that more discussion will not lead to more understanding. Interesting. In my observation, you drop threads with me when you've been reduced to making points and claims so weak you know you're not going to be able to defend them from challenge.
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***BP3: I am not talking about power differentials I am talking about offensive behavior and fairness. You might think that paying attention to those two attributes, and trying to avoid one and practice the second would have enough of a payoff, but it doesn't seem to work that way here often enough. ***BP3: Concerning your judgement; not being willing to state that Barry is being offensive is something we are on opposite sides about. I think you have to be careful about the battles you pick, because with both Barry and Judy, there is not much resistance on their parts to releasing both barrels. I have tangled with both, as most here have, and it's generally not very pleasant. It may be different for them. But there does come a point where you realize you have to cross the line of trying remain friendly, and challenge them. And I have to say that Barry seems to have become more isolated, I think for many of the reasons you point out.
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OK, I do have to intervene at this point to deal with some comments made about me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: terasnip Still, what you insist is the case with Judy, that does seem interesting to me. Even as your friend Barry insults her in the bitterest and most scathing (and, I believe prejudiced and unwarranted) ways. Me, if I have a friendship with someone and I notice they are being unfair and hatefuland usually ridiculousin their behaviour towards someone else (who I hold in very different terms), then I feel forced to say something to my friend [Barry]. ME:Hang around a bit and you will see why I feel that it is not so lopsided. This is an actual feud and neither side is blameless. Curtis has said many times that he doesn't read my exchanges with Barry. That's OK, but on that basis he is not in a position to remark on the balance of blame. I don't claim to be blameless, but I utterly reject the notion that blame in the Barry-Judy situation is anything but *hugely* lopsided. Just for one thing, if one were to read my posts that comment on Barry's, one would find that a significant number of them--I'd guess at least 50 percent--are not simply insults; quite a few are not insulting at all. Rather, they involve reasoned, noninflammatory analysis of points that Barry has made. That is never the case with Barry's posts that have to do with me. There are other lopsided elements as well. I don't *make up* stuff about Barry, for instance. R: But you won't do this, Curtis, because of the fragility of his psyche*in relation to yourself*. He approves of, he depends upon, yourself. Were you to speak directly and candidly to him, you would shatter him. This is the only reason you don't speak up on Judy's behalf. ME: No its not. It is because Judy made her own bed with him. There were other choices. Sure. I could have ignored him completely, I could have spoken sweetly to him when he attacked me, were I a saint. But I don't pretend to be a saint. Curtis doesn't stand up for the people Barry attacks because if he did, Barry would put Curtis on his shit list, and Curtis doesn't want to be on *anybody's* shit list if he can possibly help it. But it would be very interesting to see what bed Curtis would make with Barry were he to land on Barry's shit list and be subject to the same treatment Barry gives to the others on that list. Curtis might not be quite so sanguine about the availability of other choices.
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Translation: I have no explanation for why I've spent a large portion of *every week I've posted to a.m.t. or FFL in the last 16+ years* obsessing about Barry and trying to 'get' him and trying to get other people to do the same thing, so I'll do it again. Maybe it'll work this time. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: OK, I do have to intervene at this point to deal with some comments made about me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: terasnip Still, what you insist is the case with Judy, that does seem interesting to me. Even as your friend Barry insults her in the bitterest and most scathing (and, I believe prejudiced and unwarranted) ways. Me, if I have a friendship with someone and I notice they are being unfair and hatefuland usually ridiculousin their behaviour towards someone else (who I hold in very different terms), then I feel forced to say something to my friend [Barry]. ME:Hang around a bit and you will see why I feel that it is not so lopsided. This is an actual feud and neither side is blameless. Curtis has said many times that he doesn't read my exchanges with Barry. That's OK, but on that basis he is not in a position to remark on the balance of blame. I don't claim to be blameless, but I utterly reject the notion that blame in the Barry-Judy situation is anything but *hugely* lopsided. Just for one thing, if one were to read my posts that comment on Barry's, one would find that a significant number of them--I'd guess at least 50 percent--are not simply insults; quite a few are not insulting at all. Rather, they involve reasoned, noninflammatory analysis of points that Barry has made. That is never the case with Barry's posts that have to do with me. There are other lopsided elements as well. I don't *make up* stuff about Barry, for instance. R: But you won't do this, Curtis, because of the fragility of his psyche*in relation to yourself*. He approves of, he depends upon, yourself. Were you to speak directly and candidly to him, you would shatter him. This is the only reason you don't speak up on Judy's behalf. ME: No its not. It is because Judy made her own bed with him. There were other choices. Sure. I could have ignored him completely, I could have spoken sweetly to him when he attacked me, were I a saint. But I don't pretend to be a saint. Curtis doesn't stand up for the people Barry attacks because if he did, Barry would put Curtis on his shit list, and Curtis doesn't want to be on *anybody's* shit list if he can possibly help it. But it would be very interesting to see what bed Curtis would make with Barry were he to land on Barry's shit list and be subject to the same treatment Barry gives to the others on that list. Curtis might not be quite so sanguine about the availability of other choices.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: OK, I do have to intervene at this point to deal with some comments made about me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: terasnip Still, what you insist is the case with Judy, that does seem interesting to me. Even as your friend Barry insults her in the bitterest and most scathing (and, I believe prejudiced and unwarranted) ways. Me, if I have a friendship with someone and I notice they are being unfair and hatefuland usually ridiculousin their behaviour towards someone else (who I hold in very different terms), then I feel forced to say something to my friend [Barry]. ME:Hang around a bit and you will see why I feel that it is not so lopsided. This is an actual feud and neither side is blameless. Curtis has said many times that he doesn't read my exchanges with Barry. That's OK, but on that basis he is not in a position to remark on the balance of blame. ME: Judy I never claimed never to have read them. You guys are kind of prolific and a bit repetitive. I have read plenty to evaluate them. I avoid them because they are kind of mean on both sides. Your choice, but that is not interesting to me. I don't claim to be blameless, but I utterly reject the notion that blame in the Barry-Judy situation is anything but *hugely* lopsided. ME: And predictibly he feels the opposite I'll bet. That is the nature of feuds. Just for one thing, if one were to read my posts that comment on Barry's, one would find that a significant number of them--I'd guess at least 50 percent--are not simply insults; quite a few are not insulting at all. Rather, they involve reasoned, noninflammatory analysis of points that Barry has made. ME: And often in demeaning language that is pretty much guarenteed to continue the ill will. That is never the case with Barry's posts that have to do with me. There are other lopsided elements as well. I don't *make up* stuff about Barry, for instance. R: But you won't do this, Curtis, because of the fragility of his psyche*in relation to yourself*. He approves of, he depends upon, yourself. Were you to speak directly and candidly to him, you would shatter him. This is the only reason you don't speak up on Judy's behalf. ME: No its not. It is because Judy made her own bed with him. There were other choices. Sure. I could have ignored him completely, I could have spoken sweetly to him when he attacked me, were I a saint. But I don't pretend to be a saint. Curtis doesn't stand up for the people Barry attacks because if he did, Barry would put Curtis on his shit list, and Curtis doesn't want to be on *anybody's* shit list if he can possibly help it. ME: I don't view my role here the way you do I guess. I don't need to stand up for people here very often and they don't need to stand up for me. And you don't stand up for me so your complaint is kind of hollow. But it would be very interesting to see what bed Curtis would make with Barry were he to land on Barry's shit list and be subject to the same treatment Barry gives to the others on that list. Curtis might not be quite so sanguine about the availability of other choices. ME: There are examples. Jim and I have had some of the most rancorous exchanges with anyone here but we found a friendlier path and now exchanges are much more interesting. There are some posters who will always take agressive shots and I avoid them after giving it the old college try. In fact our interactions are an example of both of us choosing to interact in a more interesting way that is less one dimentional. But it took us both to decide that is what we wanted. No one had to step in and help us work it out. And I am not even advocating that you do change your pattern with Barry.. You both seem to enjoy it so I get it, that this is none of my business. I was just giving my opinion to Robin that the Tango rule is in full force here. Barry was giving it to Robin with both barrels. But he defended himself without any rescuers like most adults here. I don't understand why you feel you need anyone to intervene when you obviously have it all under control and are enjoying yourself in the interaction relationship you have both chosen. On the other hand I have stuck my nose in when the topic interests me so I am not making some rule for myself. I pick and choose just as you do. But there is no intersection between how I relate to you and how Barry does. Same for how I relate to him and the way you do. I might as well be dealing with two different people in each case. And that is by mutual choice.
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Dear Judy, I hope that what I am about to say here does not contradict the spirit of my last post to Curtis. I believe it does not. But I am glad you wrote as you did here, becauseas far as it is possible for me to understand you truthfully (that is objectively)I judge your comments to be solidly veracious. And, in a very real sense, not even subject to debate. I say this, because of the context you pull along with you. I won't take back anything of what I said in my post to Curtis (today); on the other hand, I will refuse to even read what Curtis has by way of rebuttal to what you have said here. Because I fear it would tempt me into a somewhat retrogressive step: i.e. the hunt for the true Curtis. But know this, Judy: without your presence on FFL, I doubt I would have continued to post. Judy: I don't claim to be blameless, but I utterly reject the notion that blame in the Barry-Judy situation is anything but *hugely* lopsided. Just for one thing, if one were to read my posts that comment on Barry's, one would find that a significant number of them--I'd guess at least 50 percent--are no simply insults; quite a few are not insulting at all. Rather, they involve reasoned, noninflammatory analysis of points that Barry has made. Robin: I won't change my mind about Curtisthat is, what I have just written to him. But should he even *attempt* to question the above, I will have to bite my lip and turn my face away, because there is not a single person on FFL who can gainsay what you have said here. It has always been my experience. It remains my experience. No only this: but anyone who thinks he or she is up to refuting what you have said here, necessarily has to engage in either wilful stupidity, or else sleight-of-hand deceitfulness. There just isn't an answer to what you have said that I quote here. And I must leave it at that. Sometimes there is something more than mere opinions being thrown around here at FFL; sometimes there are facts. I think you generally deal in factsor at least when you give your opinions (as in your political or religious comments) it is clear you recognize the difference: that is, when you are being logical and truthful; when you are making a judgment that you know is subject to debate. I have said what I set out to say here, Judy. Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: OK, I do have to intervene at this point to deal with some comments made about me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: terasnip Still, what you insist is the case with Judy, that does seem interesting to me. Even as your friend Barry insults her in the bitterest and most scathing (and, I believe prejudiced and unwarranted) ways. Me, if I have a friendship with someone and I notice they are being unfair and hatefuland usually ridiculousin their behaviour towards someone else (who I hold in very different terms), then I feel forced to say something to my friend [Barry]. ME:Hang around a bit and you will see why I feel that it is not so lopsided. This is an actual feud and neither side is blameless. Curtis has said many times that he doesn't read my exchanges with Barry. That's OK, but on that basis he is not in a position to remark on the balance of blame. I don't claim to be blameless, but I utterly reject the notion that blame in the Barry-Judy situation is anything but *hugely* lopsided. Just for one thing, if one were to read my posts that comment on Barry's, one would find that a significant number of them--I'd guess at least 50 percent--are not simply insults; quite a few are not insulting at all. Rather, they involve reasoned, noninflammatory analysis of points that Barry has made. That is never the case with Barry's posts that have to do with me. There are other lopsided elements as well. I don't *make up* stuff about Barry, for instance. R: But you won't do this, Curtis, because of the fragility of his psyche*in relation to yourself*. He approves of, he depends upon, yourself. Were you to speak directly and candidly to him, you would shatter him. This is the only reason you don't speak up on Judy's behalf. ME: No its not. It is because Judy made her own bed with him. There were other choices. Sure. I could have ignored him completely, I could have spoken sweetly to him when he attacked me, were I a saint. But I don't pretend to be a saint. Curtis doesn't stand up for the people Barry attacks because if he did, Barry would put Curtis on his shit list, and Curtis doesn't want to be on *anybody's* shit list if he can possibly help it. But it would be very interesting to see what bed Curtis would make with Barry were he to land on Barry's shit list and be subject to the same treatment Barry gives to the others on
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: OK, I do have to intervene at this point to deal with some comments made about me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: terasnip Still, what you insist is the case with Judy, that does seem interesting to me. Even as your friend Barry insults her in the bitterest and most scathing (and, I believe prejudiced and unwarranted) ways. Me, if I have a friendship with someone and I notice they are being unfair and hatefuland usually ridiculousin their behaviour towards someone else (who I hold in very different terms), then I feel forced to say something to my friend [Barry]. ME:Hang around a bit and you will see why I feel that it is not so lopsided. This is an actual feud and neither side is blameless. Curtis has said many times that he doesn't read my exchanges with Barry. That's OK, but on that basis he is not in a position to remark on the balance of blame. ME: Judy I never claimed never to have read them. You guys are kind of prolific and a bit repetitive. I have read plenty to evaluate them. Actually your comments on them, including in this post, demonstrate that you haven't read nearly enough. I avoid them because they are kind of mean on both sides. And here's an example: They're always mean on Barry's side. But not on mine. Moreover, many of his mean posts about me and others *are addressed to you*. If I say something negative to you about Barry, you usually defend him. If he says something negative to you about me, you almost always just ignore it. I don't claim to be blameless, but I utterly reject the notion that blame in the Barry-Judy situation is anything but *hugely* lopsided. ME: And predictibly he feels the opposite I'll bet. That is the nature of feuds. He will *say* it's the opposite. I'm quite sure he knows better. And so would you if you'd read enough of our posts. Just for one thing, if one were to read my posts that comment on Barry's, one would find that a significant number of them--I'd guess at least 50 percent--are not simply insults; quite a few are not insulting at all. Rather, they involve reasoned, noninflammatory analysis of points that Barry has made. ME: And often in demeaning language that is pretty much guarenteed to continue the ill will. And there's another example demonstrating that you haven't read enough to say. Heck, you didn't even read what *I* just said. Reasoned, noninflammatory analysis is the opposite of demeaning. And then there's this: That is never the case with Barry's posts that have to do with me. Barry's posts having to do with me are *always* demeaning. There are other lopsided elements as well. I don't *make up* stuff about Barry, for instance. And this. snip But it would be very interesting to see what bed Curtis would make with Barry were he to land on Barry's shit list and be subject to the same treatment Barry gives to the others on that list. Curtis might not be quite so sanguine about the availability of other choices. ME: There are examples. Jim and I This isn't an example that relates to what I just wrote. snip And I am not even advocating that you do change your pattern with Barry.. You both seem to enjoy it I don't. There's nothing enjoyable about interacting with Barry when one is on his enemies list. so I get it, that this is none of my business. I was just giving my opinion to Robin that the Tango rule is in full force here. And I'm pointing out why your opinion is way off-base. snip I don't understand why you feel you need anyone to intervene I don't need anyone to intervene. I simply point out that you don't intervene, on my behalf or anybody else's. That's your choice. It isn't a choice I respect.
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Thanks, Robin, I appreciate this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Dear Judy, I hope that what I am about to say here does not contradict the spirit of my last post to Curtis. I believe it does not. But I am glad you wrote as you did here, becauseas far as it is possible for me to understand you truthfully (that is objectively)I judge your comments to be solidly veracious. And, in a very real sense, not even subject to debate. I say this, because of the context you pull along with you. I won't take back anything of what I said in my post to Curtis (today); on the other hand, I will refuse to even read what Curtis has by way of rebuttal to what you have said here. Because I fear it would tempt me into a somewhat retrogressive step: i.e. the hunt for the true Curtis. But know this, Judy: without your presence on FFL, I doubt I would have continued to post. Judy: I don't claim to be blameless, but I utterly reject the notion that blame in the Barry-Judy situation is anything but *hugely* lopsided. Just for one thing, if one were to read my posts that comment on Barry's, one would find that a significant number of them--I'd guess at least 50 percent--are no simply insults; quite a few are not insulting at all. Rather, they involve reasoned, noninflammatory analysis of points that Barry has made. Robin: I won't change my mind about Curtisthat is, what I have just written to him. But should he even *attempt* to question the above, I will have to bite my lip and turn my face away, because there is not a single person on FFL who can gainsay what you have said here. It has always been my experience. It remains my experience. No only this: but anyone who thinks he or she is up to refuting what you have said here, necessarily has to engage in either wilful stupidity, or else sleight-of-hand deceitfulness. There just isn't an answer to what you have said that I quote here. And I must leave it at that. Sometimes there is something more than mere opinions being thrown around here at FFL; sometimes there are facts. I think you generally deal in factsor at least when you give your opinions (as in your political or religious comments) it is clear you recognize the difference: that is, when you are being logical and truthful; when you are making a judgment that you know is subject to debate. I have said what I set out to say here, Judy. Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: OK, I do have to intervene at this point to deal with some comments made about me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: terasnip Still, what you insist is the case with Judy, that does seem interesting to me. Even as your friend Barry insults her in the bitterest and most scathing (and, I believe prejudiced and unwarranted) ways. Me, if I have a friendship with someone and I notice they are being unfair and hatefuland usually ridiculousin their behaviour towards someone else (who I hold in very different terms), then I feel forced to say something to my friend [Barry]. ME:Hang around a bit and you will see why I feel that it is not so lopsided. This is an actual feud and neither side is blameless. Curtis has said many times that he doesn't read my exchanges with Barry. That's OK, but on that basis he is not in a position to remark on the balance of blame. I don't claim to be blameless, but I utterly reject the notion that blame in the Barry-Judy situation is anything but *hugely* lopsided. Just for one thing, if one were to read my posts that comment on Barry's, one would find that a significant number of them--I'd guess at least 50 percent--are not simply insults; quite a few are not insulting at all. Rather, they involve reasoned, noninflammatory analysis of points that Barry has made. That is never the case with Barry's posts that have to do with me. There are other lopsided elements as well. I don't *make up* stuff about Barry, for instance. R: But you won't do this, Curtis, because of the fragility of his psyche*in relation to yourself*. He approves of, he depends upon, yourself. Were you to speak directly and candidly to him, you would shatter him. This is the only reason you don't speak up on Judy's behalf. ME: No its not. It is because Judy made her own bed with him. There were other choices. Sure. I could have ignored him completely, I could have spoken sweetly to him when he attacked me, were I a saint. But I don't pretend to be a saint. Curtis doesn't stand up for the people Barry attacks because if he did, Barry would put Curtis on his shit list, and Curtis doesn't want to be on *anybody's* shit
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Opsie, you forgot, you're not supposed to be reading any of my posts. But thanks for making my points for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Translation: I have no explanation for why I've spent a large portion of *every week I've posted to a.m.t. or FFL in the last 16+ years* obsessing about Barry and trying to 'get' him and trying to get other people to do the same thing, so I'll do it again. Maybe it'll work this time. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: OK, I do have to intervene at this point to deal with some comments made about me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: terasnip Still, what you insist is the case with Judy, that does seem interesting to me. Even as your friend Barry insults her in the bitterest and most scathing (and, I believe prejudiced and unwarranted) ways. Me, if I have a friendship with someone and I notice they are being unfair and hatefuland usually ridiculousin their behaviour towards someone else (who I hold in very different terms), then I feel forced to say something to my friend [Barry]. ME:Hang around a bit and you will see why I feel that it is not so lopsided. This is an actual feud and neither side is blameless. Curtis has said many times that he doesn't read my exchanges with Barry. That's OK, but on that basis he is not in a position to remark on the balance of blame. I don't claim to be blameless, but I utterly reject the notion that blame in the Barry-Judy situation is anything but *hugely* lopsided. Just for one thing, if one were to read my posts that comment on Barry's, one would find that a significant number of them--I'd guess at least 50 percent--are not simply insults; quite a few are not insulting at all. Rather, they involve reasoned, noninflammatory analysis of points that Barry has made. That is never the case with Barry's posts that have to do with me. There are other lopsided elements as well. I don't *make up* stuff about Barry, for instance. R: But you won't do this, Curtis, because of the fragility of his psyche*in relation to yourself*. He approves of, he depends upon, yourself. Were you to speak directly and candidly to him, you would shatter him. This is the only reason you don't speak up on Judy's behalf. ME: No its not. It is because Judy made her own bed with him. There were other choices. Sure. I could have ignored him completely, I could have spoken sweetly to him when he attacked me, were I a saint. But I don't pretend to be a saint. Curtis doesn't stand up for the people Barry attacks because if he did, Barry would put Curtis on his shit list, and Curtis doesn't want to be on *anybody's* shit list if he can possibly help it. But it would be very interesting to see what bed Curtis would make with Barry were he to land on Barry's shit list and be subject to the same treatment Barry gives to the others on that list. Curtis might not be quite so sanguine about the availability of other choices.
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RESPONSE: Barry was giving it to Robin with both barrels. [Curtis to Judy] Well, my friend, this *is* bullshit. Because it implies some equivalence of engagement and honesty and sincerity. Barry has scrupulously avoided any real contact with me, so as to demonstrate he is willing to stand behind what he says. Barry was giving it to Robin with both barrels. No, Curtis, Barry was giving it to Robin in a form of scattershot carelessness and impetuous pique which could never be understood by any honest bystander as giving it to me with both barrels. F**k me. I *wish* Barry would give it to me with both barrels. But he never will, Curtis. Now look: I take back nothing of what I have just said in that letter; I will only say that this invidious (and implied) comparison is baffling to me. Just out with it: Stand behind this one declarative statement: Although I like both of them, in my judgment Barry is giving it to Robin in principle at least the same way Robin is giving it to Barry. Then I shall believe that you believe what you say to Judy here, that Barry was giving it to Robin with both barrels. Barry will have loved that you said that, Curtis, but I know *for a fact* that this is not your true judgment of what Barry is doing when he goes off on Robin. Must it come to this kind of politics? No matter. My letter standsbut so does my post to Judy. If I were you, Curtis, I would, in my off-line correspondence with Barry, risk edifying him about how he comes off here at FFL. Meanwhile I shall just trust in the wisdom which makes you say what you say here to which I have responded. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: OK, I do have to intervene at this point to deal with some comments made about me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: terasnip Still, what you insist is the case with Judy, that does seem interesting to me. Even as your friend Barry insults her in the bitterest and most scathing (and, I believe prejudiced and unwarranted) ways. Me, if I have a friendship with someone and I notice they are being unfair and hatefuland usually ridiculousin their behaviour towards someone else (who I hold in very different terms), then I feel forced to say something to my friend [Barry]. ME:Hang around a bit and you will see why I feel that it is not so lopsided. This is an actual feud and neither side is blameless. Curtis has said many times that he doesn't read my exchanges with Barry. That's OK, but on that basis he is not in a position to remark on the balance of blame. ME: Judy I never claimed never to have read them. You guys are kind of prolific and a bit repetitive. I have read plenty to evaluate them. I avoid them because they are kind of mean on both sides. Your choice, but that is not interesting to me. I don't claim to be blameless, but I utterly reject the notion that blame in the Barry-Judy situation is anything but *hugely* lopsided. ME: And predictibly he feels the opposite I'll bet. That is the nature of feuds. Just for one thing, if one were to read my posts that comment on Barry's, one would find that a significant number of them--I'd guess at least 50 percent--are not simply insults; quite a few are not insulting at all. Rather, they involve reasoned, noninflammatory analysis of points that Barry has made. ME: And often in demeaning language that is pretty much guarenteed to continue the ill will. That is never the case with Barry's posts that have to do with me. There are other lopsided elements as well. I don't *make up* stuff about Barry, for instance. R: But you won't do this, Curtis, because of the fragility of his psyche*in relation to yourself*. He approves of, he depends upon, yourself. Were you to speak directly and candidly to him, you would shatter him. This is the only reason you don't speak up on Judy's behalf. ME: No its not. It is because Judy made her own bed with him. There were other choices. Sure. I could have ignored him completely, I could have spoken sweetly to him when he attacked me, were I a saint. But I don't pretend to be a saint. Curtis doesn't stand up for the people Barry attacks because if he did, Barry would put Curtis on his shit list, and Curtis doesn't want to be on *anybody's* shit list if he can possibly help it. ME: I don't view my role here the way you do I guess. I don't need to stand up for people here very often and they don't need to stand up for me. And you don't stand up for me so your complaint is kind of hollow. But it would be very interesting to see what bed Curtis would make with Barry were he to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: OK, I do have to intervene at this point to deal with some comments made about me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: terasnip Still, what you insist is the case with Judy, that does seem interesting to me. Even as your friend Barry insults her in the bitterest and most scathing (and, I believe prejudiced and unwarranted) ways. Me, if I have a friendship with someone and I notice they are being unfair and hatefuland usually ridiculousin their behaviour towards someone else (who I hold in very different terms), then I feel forced to say something to my friend [Barry]. ME:Hang around a bit and you will see why I feel that it is not so lopsided. This is an actual feud and neither side is blameless. Curtis has said many times that he doesn't read my exchanges with Barry. That's OK, but on that basis he is not in a position to remark on the balance of blame. ME: Judy I never claimed never to have read them. You guys are kind of prolific and a bit repetitive. I have read plenty to evaluate them. Actually your comments on them, including in this post, demonstrate that you haven't read nearly enough. ME: You actually wrote that with a straight face? I have read more than enough, we just disagree on the perspective. I avoid them because they are kind of mean on both sides. And here's an example: They're always mean on Barry's side. But not on mine. Moreover, many of his mean posts about me and others *are addressed to you*. If I say something negative to you about Barry, you usually defend him. If he says something negative to you about me, you almost always just ignore it. ME: Your score card might be right. I try to pick my battles here like everyone else. It wouldn't surprise me if I had bias. You guys like to take shots at each other over my bow. I ignore far more than I respond to. I don't claim to be blameless, but I utterly reject the notion that blame in the Barry-Judy situation is anything but *hugely* lopsided. ME: And predictibly he feels the opposite I'll bet. That is the nature of feuds. He will *say* it's the opposite. I'm quite sure he knows better. And so would you if you'd read enough of our posts. Just for one thing, if one were to read my posts that comment on Barry's, one would find that a significant number of them--I'd guess at least 50 percent--are not simply insults; quite a few are not insulting at all. Rather, they involve reasoned, noninflammatory analysis of points that Barry has made. ME: And often in demeaning language that is pretty much guarenteed to continue the ill will. And there's another example demonstrating that you haven't read enough to say. Heck, you didn't even read what *I* just said. Reasoned, noninflammatory analysis is the opposite of demeaning. ME: So you pick 50% as insulting. OK, I am not going to quibble about the numbers. Whatever the numbers it appears to be enough to keep it rolling in the same direction. Would you like me to say that many of your posts involve reasoned, noninflammatory analysis of points that Barry has made? OK that sounds right. But whatever the number of ill will posts it seems to be working. And as prolific as you are here, and as Barry focused, that 50% number is mindnumbingly high. And then there's this: That is never the case with Barry's posts that have to do with me. Barry's posts having to do with me are *always* demeaning. ME: No need to argue with this, it sounds right. I'll take your word that this is how you feel about all of them. There are other lopsided elements as well. I don't *make up* stuff about Barry, for instance. And this. ME: He gets your goat by talking trash. Gets a rise every time. You have different styles of antagonizing each other, you are both experienced pros. I know you want to convince me you are a victim here, but that is not going to happen. You have a part in this dynamic and you are choosing it, that was my original point. snip But it would be very interesting to see what bed Curtis would make with Barry were he to land on Barry's shit list and be subject to the same treatment Barry gives to the others on that list. Curtis might not be quite so sanguine about the availability of other choices. ME: There are examples. Jim and I This isn't an example that relates to what I just wrote. ME: Sure it is. I was on Jim's shit list at one time and now am not. We both chose this. And maybe
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: RESPONSE: Barry was giving it to Robin with both barrels. [Curtis to Judy] Well, my friend, this *is* bullshit. Because it implies some equivalence of engagement and honesty and sincerity. ME: No it doesn't. It means he went after you enthusiastically. It denies the possibility for any equivalence of engagement and honesty and sincerity:. R: Barry has scrupulously avoided any real contact with me, so as to demonstrate he is willing to stand behind what he says. Barry was giving it to Robin with both barrels. No, Curtis, Barry was giving it to Robin in a form of scattershot carelessness and impetuous pique which could never be understood by any honest bystander as giving it to me with both barrels. ME: OK if that characterization works better for you. I guess we have a different view of what the analogy both barrels implies. For me it is full-on aggression. R: F**k me. I *wish* Barry would give it to me with both barrels. But he never will, Curtis. ME: You are including more in the metaphor than I did. I don't know why you are taking me to task for having a slightly different take on what both barrels includes. Now look: I take back nothing of what I have just said in that letter; I will only say that this invidious (and implied) comparison is baffling to me. ME: I didn't say it was justified, I meant it was enthusiastic. Obviously given the difference in our interactions I didn't agree with his take on you. But it was both forceful and hostile which is what the image of both barrels means to me. R: Just out with it: Stand behind this one declarative statement: Although I like both of them, in my judgment Barry is giving it to Robin in principle at least the same way Robin is giving it to Barry. ME: I think he took an instant dislike to you and spent some time expressing it. I don't believe that his initial attack was warranted and it put you in a weird defensive posture. You tried to work with it to get past that hostility but it did not work. Barry is not going to budge about his initial negative assessment of you no matter what you respond with. So the two barrels don't imply that there is a balance in how you have related to each other. He went after you and I believe you found it perplexing at first. But now that you know who you are dealing with you can decide how much attention to spend on interactions with him. This is a plant that will not grow without water. Then I shall believe that you believe what you say to Judy here, that Barry was giving it to Robin with both barrels. ME: I also believe that he was not interacting with you so much as an impression he gleaned about how you operate connected with his experience of people (especially leaders) in spiritual groups. You got pied. It is disconcerting I know. But in my view he was giving it to you with both barrels of hostility. R: Barry will have loved that you said that, Curtis, but I know *for a fact* that this is not your true judgment of what Barry is doing when he goes off on Robin. Must it come to this kind of politics? ME: I think you read too much into the metaphor. It was not meant to give Barry a chuckle but to sum up how I saw his hostile approach to you. Would it help if I characterized it as mean? But I don't need to chase after Barry with my opinion, he knows what he was doing. R: No matter. My letter standsbut so does my post to Judy. If I were you, Curtis, I would, in my off-line correspondence with Barry, risk edifying him about how he comes off here at FFL. ME: Barry and I rarely discuss FFL. We are usually working on such different tracks here. I have long conversations with Judy and you and he would rather grill his genitals on a Hibachi than engage in either discussions. I am only concerned with how we relate, not how he chooses to relate to others. I am not interested in getting involved in a no win situation getting between people who don't like each other or who (in this case) Barry has taken an instant dislike to. The way you and I have communicated is enough information about who we both are for people to make a more informed decision about us. That is good enough for me. I can't make anyone read anything or see what I see in people. Meanwhile I shall just trust in the wisdom which makes you say what you say here to which I have responded. ME: Thanks for the response. I am still processing it all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: OK, I do have to intervene at this point to deal with some comments made about me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
Curtis to Judy: He gets your goat by talking trash. Gets a rise every time. You have different styles of antagonizing each other, you are both experienced pros. I know you want to convince me you are a victim here, but that is not going to happen. You have a part in this dynamic and you are choosing it, that was my original point. Dear Curtis, Of course Judy will answer you on this; but I can't help myself. And before I say anything, maybe two things are true that I currently believe are false: namely 1. that Barry does get Judy's goat; and 2. Judy really is into the game of antagonizing Barry. I don't think that Barry gets Judy's goat whatsoever. She remains rational, quick-witted, logical, and coherent. These are not the signs of someone whose goat has been got. And if I thought she was into the game of antagonizing Barry I would tell her so, and I wouldn't dream of coming to her defence (not that she needs defending: that's for sure; I do it on a note of personal honouras much for myself as for her). I just don't get it, Curtis. WHAT PRAY TELL is at the bottom of your tenacious and pugnacious defence of Barry? I like the idea of protecting, supporting a friend. But are truth and friendship incompatible? I think not. So, then, I believe that by encouraging Barry to continue to argue and insult as he does in his present mode, you are stifling his chances of growing out of this, of realizing he is doing himself a terrible injustice. What possible justification could there be to implyto Barryhe has given to Judy every bit as good as she has given to himwhen you know, objectively, this is a lie? But you insist on maintaining this fraudulent implication. At all costs, it seems. You must know something about Barry that I do not know. Which is tantamount to (since you are a very credible and persuasive human being) to making him think you approve utterly of what he says (since at the very least he is, according to you, in his criticism of me, coming from the same place I am in my response to his criticism; and ditto for Judy) even as I know deep inside of you you wish Barry could get on another track altogether. I suppose your cannot reveal your strategy here, Curtis, but it seems inaccessible to ordinary human understanding. Why can't truth, beauty, goodness, sincerity, courage all be one single thing? I think they are. You don't. Nevertheless, I deny that I feel any differently in writing this than I did in writing that letter to you today. I respect and honour you as the person you are, and even your POV. But the Barry thing will always strike a false note to me. Well, maybe not a false note, but a song that seems consciously off-key. And therefore doesn't sound as nice as some of your other music. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: OK, I do have to intervene at this point to deal with some comments made about me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: terasnip Still, what you insist is the case with Judy, that does seem interesting to me. Even as your friend Barry insults her in the bitterest and most scathing (and, I believe prejudiced and unwarranted) ways. Me, if I have a friendship with someone and I notice they are being unfair and hatefuland usually ridiculousin their behaviour towards someone else (who I hold in very different terms), then I feel forced to say something to my friend [Barry]. ME:Hang around a bit and you will see why I feel that it is not so lopsided. This is an actual feud and neither side is blameless. Curtis has said many times that he doesn't read my exchanges with Barry. That's OK, but on that basis he is not in a position to remark on the balance of blame. ME: Judy I never claimed never to have read them. You guys are kind of prolific and a bit repetitive. I have read plenty to evaluate them. Actually your comments on them, including in this post, demonstrate that you haven't read nearly enough. ME: You actually wrote that with a straight face? I have read more than enough, we just disagree on the perspective. I avoid them because they are kind of mean on both sides. And here's an example: They're always mean on Barry's side. But not on mine. Moreover, many of his mean posts about me and others *are addressed to you*. If I say something negative to you about Barry, you usually defend him. If he says something negative to you about me, you almost
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NOT wishing to suck Curtis into this, merely in appreciation of him having said it perfectly, I repost his comment below, changing nothing except to highlight the words mindnumbingly high. I mean, that's really the issue, isn't it? 16+ years. Up to 50% percent of her posts in any given week, for all that time. Who on this forum really gives a shit about the purported Barry-Judy Feud except Judy and her Pips? The rest -- wisely -- had their minds numbed by the whole thing years ago and tuned it all out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Just for one thing, if one were to read my posts that comment on Barry's, one would find that a significant number of them--I'd guess at least 50 percent--are not simply insults; quite a few are not insulting at all. Rather, they involve reasoned, noninflammatory analysis of points that Barry has made. ME: And often in demeaning language that is pretty much guarenteed to continue the ill will. And there's another example demonstrating that you haven't read enough to say. Heck, you didn't even read what *I* just said. Reasoned, noninflammatory analysis is the opposite of demeaning. ME: So you pick 50% as insulting. OK, I am not going to quibble about the numbers. Whatever the numbers it appears to be enough to keep it rolling in the same direction. Would you like me to say that many of your posts involve reasoned, noninflammatory analysis of points that Barry has made? OK that sounds right. But whatever the number of ill will posts it seems to be working. And as prolific as you are here, and as Barry focused, that 50% number is *mindnumbingly high*.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Curtis to Judy: He gets your goat by talking trash. Gets a rise every time. You have different styles of antagonizing each other, you are both experienced pros. I know you want to convince me you are a victim here, but that is not going to happen. You have a part in this dynamic and you are choosing it, that was my original point. Dear Curtis, Of course Judy will answer you on this; but I can't help myself. And before I say anything, maybe two things are true that I currently believe are false: namely 1. that Barry does get Judy's goat; and 2. Judy really is into the game of antagonizing Barry. I don't think that Barry gets Judy's goat whatsoever. She remains rational, quick-witted, logical, and coherent. These are not the signs of someone whose goat has been got. And if I thought she was into the game of antagonizing Barry I would tell her so, and I wouldn't dream of coming to her defence (not that she needs defending: that's for sure; I do it on a note of personal honouras much for myself as for her). I just don't get it, Curtis. WHAT PRAY TELL is at the bottom of your tenacious and pugnacious defence of Barry? ME: That is not what I am doing. I am implicating Judy in the responsibility for the way they interact. She is making a case that she is a pure victim of Barry's badness. I've seen to many demeaning posts from her to buy that. You cann't get to the beginning of who started this feud it goes back like 16 years. R: I like the idea of protecting, supporting a friend. But are truth and friendship incompatible? ME: I don't see this as supporting him in the choices he has made in how to interact with Judy. I have chosen a different way that suits me. I think not. So, then, I believe that by encouraging Barry to continue to argue and insult as he does in his present mode, ME: No. This is ridiculous. In no way have I encouraged him by pointing out to Judy (which is where this all started) that she is choosing her part in the interaction. R: you are stifling his chances of growing out of this, of realizing he is doing himself a terrible injustice. What possible justification could there be to implyto Barryhe has given to Judy every bit as good as she has given to himwhen you know, objectively, this is a lie? But you insist on maintaining this fraudulent implication. At all costs, it seems. ME: First of all is growth is none of my business. Secondly I never put numbers on it till Judy did in her last post. But whatever the numbers are, she has a hand in keeping this going. That was my point. R: You must know something about Barry that I do not know. ME: Actually I believe I know something about Judy that you don't know. ME: Which is tantamount to (since you are a very credible and persuasive human being) to making him think you approve utterly of what he says (since at the very least he is, according to you, in his criticism of me, ME: Why put words in my mouth? I never said anything about it till my last post where I made it clear I think he misjudged you. Up till now that was fairly obvious by my interactions with you. But I am not in charge of how he sees people here. R: coming from the same place I am in my response to his criticism; ME: Never said that. In fact I believe you have been in a defensive posture from the beginning since he unloaded those two barrels. (no That is a loaded metaphor!) R: and ditto for Judy) even as I know deep inside of you you wish Barry could get on another track altogether. ME: You and Judy are separate cases. Except that I consider you both capable of defending yourselves without my assistance. R: I suppose your cannot reveal your strategy here, Curtis, but it seems inaccessible to ordinary human understanding. ME: My strategy is simple. I get along with Barry just fine and don't care who else does or doesn't. You can piss away a lot of time here worrying about how other people choose to interact. I try to stay on topics I enjoy writing about. This is not one of them but I am doing it out of respect for our friendship here. (And BTW writing buddies was a term of endearment, not a throwaway name.) R: Why can't truth, beauty, goodness, sincerity, courage all be one single thing? I think they are. You don't. ME: That was a manufactured, ridiculous distinction Robin. R: Nevertheless, I deny that I feel any differently in writing this than I did in writing that letter to you today. I respect and honour you as the person you are, and even your POV. But the Barry thing will always strike a false note to me. Well, maybe not a false note, but a song that seems consciously off-key. And therefore doesn't sound as nice as some of your other music. ME: So do you think that if Barry sends a shitty post to someone here, I should criticize him for it? Should I make a
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Judy and Barry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YjgSwiKps8 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Curtis to Judy: He gets your goat by talking trash. Gets a rise every time. You have different styles of antagonizing each other, you are both experienced pros. I know you want to convince me you are a victim here, but that is not going to happen. You have a part in this dynamic and you are choosing it, that was my original point. Dear Curtis, Of course Judy will answer you on this; but I can't help myself. And before I say anything, maybe two things are true that I currently believe are false: namely 1. that Barry does get Judy's goat; and 2. Judy really is into the game of antagonizing Barry. I don't think that Barry gets Judy's goat whatsoever. She remains rational, quick-witted, logical, and coherent. These are not the signs of someone whose goat has been got. And if I thought she was into the game of antagonizing Barry I would tell her so, and I wouldn't dream of coming to her defence (not that she needs defending: that's for sure; I do it on a note of personal honouras much for myself as for her). I just don't get it, Curtis. WHAT PRAY TELL is at the bottom of your tenacious and pugnacious defence of Barry? ME: That is not what I am doing. I am implicating Judy in the responsibility for the way they interact. She is making a case that she is a pure victim of Barry's badness. I've seen to many demeaning posts from her to buy that. You cann't get to the beginning of who started this feud it goes back like 16 years. R: I like the idea of protecting, supporting a friend. But are truth and friendship incompatible? ME: I don't see this as supporting him in the choices he has made in how to interact with Judy. I have chosen a different way that suits me. I think not. So, then, I believe that by encouraging Barry to continue to argue and insult as he does in his present mode, ME: No. This is ridiculous. In no way have I encouraged him by pointing out to Judy (which is where this all started) that she is choosing her part in the interaction. R: you are stifling his chances of growing out of this, of realizing he is doing himself a terrible injustice. What possible justification could there be to implyto Barryhe has given to Judy every bit as good as she has given to himwhen you know, objectively, this is a lie? But you insist on maintaining this fraudulent implication. At all costs, it seems. ME: First of all is growth is none of my business. Secondly I never put numbers on it till Judy did in her last post. But whatever the numbers are, she has a hand in keeping this going. That was my point. R: You must know something about Barry that I do not know. ME: Actually I believe I know something about Judy that you don't know. ME: Which is tantamount to (since you are a very credible and persuasive human being) to making him think you approve utterly of what he says (since at the very least he is, according to you, in his criticism of me, ME: Why put words in my mouth? I never said anything about it till my last post where I made it clear I think he misjudged you. Up till now that was fairly obvious by my interactions with you. But I am not in charge of how he sees people here. R: coming from the same place I am in my response to his criticism; ME: Never said that. In fact I believe you have been in a defensive posture from the beginning since he unloaded those two barrels. (no That is a loaded metaphor!) R: and ditto for Judy) even as I know deep inside of you you wish Barry could get on another track altogether. ME: You and Judy are separate cases. Except that I consider you both capable of defending yourselves without my assistance. R: I suppose your cannot reveal your strategy here, Curtis, but it seems inaccessible to ordinary human understanding. ME: My strategy is simple. I get along with Barry just fine and don't care who else does or doesn't. You can piss away a lot of time here worrying about how other people choose to interact. I try to stay on topics I enjoy writing about. This is not one of them but I am doing it out of respect for our friendship here. (And BTW writing buddies was a term of endearment, not a throwaway name.) R: Why can't truth, beauty, goodness, sincerity, courage all be one single thing? I think they are. You don't. ME: That was a manufactured, ridiculous distinction Robin. R: Nevertheless, I deny that I feel any differently in writing this than I did in writing that letter to you today. I respect and honour you as the person you are, and even your POV. But the Barry thing will always strike a false note to me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
On Oct 31, 2011, at 1:35 PM, maskedzebra wrote: Curtis to Judy: He gets your goat by talking trash. Gets a rise every time. You have different styles of antagonizing each other, you are both experienced pros. I know you want to convince me you are a victim here, but that is not going to happen. You have a part in this dynamic and you are choosing it, that was my original point. Dear Curtis, Of course Judy will answer you on this; but I can't help myself. And before I say anything, maybe two things are true that I currently believe are false: namely 1. that Barry does get Judy's goat; and 2. Judy really is into the game of antagonizing Barry. I don't think that Barry gets Judy's goat whatsoever. She remains rational, quick-witted, logical, and coherent. These are not the signs of someone whose goat has been got. What you miss - and this is hard to get if you cannot see what's actually going on - is that Judy is a chronic liar and red herring merchant. She makes shit up about people all the time, and then based on these false perspectives, weaves a story. It's very believable. Logically she uses the straw man fallacy with unusual, probably pathological, regularity and strange precision. Curtis has caught her at it numerous times, but he prefers to simply keep the peace.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
On Oct 31, 2011, at 1:58 PM, turquoiseb wrote: NOT wishing to suck Curtis into this, merely in appreciation of him having said it perfectly, I repost his comment below, changing nothing except to highlight the words mindnumbingly high. I mean, that's really the issue, isn't it? 16+ years. Up to 50% percent of her posts in any given week, for all that time. Who on this forum really gives a shit about the purported Barry-Judy Feud except Judy and her Pips? The rest -- wisely -- had their minds numbed by the whole thing years ago and tuned it all out. As numerous psychiatric and psychological professionals have noted several times on this list, there's very likely an underlying pathology here. Most likely a personality disorder, Borderline being the most likely diagnosis (although Axis II disorders to tend to appear in groups). If you have any familiarity with this disorder, it's extremely difficult to deal with. And unmoderated lists are a haven for such people.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: RESPONSE: Barry was giving it to Robin with both barrels. [Curtis to Judy] Well, my friend, this *is* bullshit. Because it implies some equivalence of engagement and honesty and sincerity. ME: No it doesn't. It means he went after you enthusiastically. It denies the possibility for any equivalence of engagement and honesty and sincerity:. Robin2: Enthusiastically: I reject this word as applying to Barry in any way whatsoever. What about douchebaggery, Curtis? Is that a word you would ever consider in the context of describing Barry's reaction to Robin? Think about it. Shit, man, if I ever felt enthusiasm in Barry's response to me, no matter how negative it was, I would rejoice. Did you hear that, Curtis? I would rejoice. Now tell me once again: It means he went after you enthusiasticallyunless you are using that word in its most pejoratively connotative sense. Robin1 Barry has scrupulously avoided any real contact with me, so as to demonstrate he is willing to stand behind what he says. Barry was giving it to Robin with both barrels. No, Curtis, Barry was giving it to Robin in a form of scattershot carelessness and impetuous pique which could never be understood by any honest bystander as giving it to me with both barrels. ME: OK if that characterization works better for you. I guess we have a different view of what the analogy both barrels implies. For me it is full-on aggression. Robin2: Full-on aggression. Again a terrible and inaccurate characterization of what Barry did when he criticized me. Tell me one thing, Curtis (hey, I'm always doing this, n'est-pas?): did Barry *ever* say anything by way of criticizing me which indicated he was willing to answer to that criticism; that is, stand behind it? Did he demonstrate in his silence he was confident about what he said such that further discussion was pointless? Barry would never get caught in full-on aggression. I invite him to deal with me with full-on aggression. WTF are you doing here, Curtis? You are aiding and abetting Barry in being arrested in his post-Frederick Lenz fall-out, something which he does not understand, but which he is, in my estimation, a victim of. Don't get it, Curtis; don't get it at all. Robn1: F**k me. I *wish* Barry would give it to me with both barrels. But he never will, Curtis. ME: You are including more in the metaphor than I did. I don't know why you are taking me to task for having a slightly different take on what both barrels includes. Robin2: Enthusiastically and full-on aggressionthis ain't no metaphor. Robin1: Now look: I take back nothing of what I have just said in that letter; I will only say that this invidious (and implied) comparison is baffling to me. ME: I didn't say it was justified, I meant it was enthusiastic. Obviously given the difference in our interactions I didn't agree with his take on you. But it was both forceful and hostile which is what the image of both barrels means to me. Robin2: Give me an instance where Barry's criticism of Robinhis characteristic onesare forceful. If they are forceful they have the chance to be true. And that very much interests me. No, your responses to me are forceful. If I felt the 'force' of Barry's critiques of me, I would have to respect what he was saying, even if I chose not to believe it. Enthusiasm again: well this for me is the conduction of something which, at least in intention, is positive. I have not felt Barry's enthusiasm. Has anyone else out there felt this? Oops! shouldn't be asking that question: I am likely to get both barrels. Robin1: Just out with it: Stand behind this one declarative statement: Although I like both of them, in my judgment Barry is giving it to Robin in principle at least the same way Robin is giving it to Barry. ME: I think he took an instant dislike to you and spent some time expressing it. I don't believe that his initial attack was warranted and it put you in a weird defensive posture. You tried to work with it to get past that hostility but it did not work. Barry is not going to budge about his initial negative assessment of you no matter what you respond with. So the two barrels don't imply that there is a balance in how you have related to each other. He went after you and I believe you found it perplexing at first. But now that you know who you are dealing with you can decide how much attention to spend on interactions with him. This is a plant that will not grow without water. Robin2; On one level I accept this. Because I do recall his initial negative adjudication of my posts was devoid of affect or screwy venom. It put you in a weird defensive posture. True. But not such that it distorted or perversely influenced the way I countered his criticism. I wanted to draw him out; he refused to do this. And I know, unless you were dissembling big time with me, you were in accordance
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On Oct 31, 2011, at 2:53 PM, maskedzebra wrote: Robin2: Full-on aggression. Again a terrible and inaccurate characterization of what Barry did when he criticized me. Tell me one thing, Curtis (hey, I'm always doing this, n'est-pas?): did Barry *ever* say anything by way of criticizing me which indicated he was willing to answer to that criticism; that is, stand behind it? Did he demonstrate in his silence he was confident about what he said such that further discussion was pointless? Barry would never get caught in full-on aggression. I invite him to deal with me with full-on aggression. WTF are you doing here, Curtis? You are aiding and abetting Barry in being arrested in his post- Frederick Lenz fall-out, something which he does not understand, but which he is, in my estimation, a victim of. Don't get it, Curtis; don't get it at all. (large snippage) I think a blindspot you may be missing is that we've seen and experienced a good number of self-proclaimed TM enlightened folks here already, often acting out in some stereotypical fashion. I suspect given your own verbosity and long-windedness this simply highlights the pain we've already experienced here from having to deal with such individuals. A simple look at one of your posts is probably enough to set off this type of person. I mean I've read the Discovery of Grace and even I cannot bear to read through your often lengthy posts the whole way. It's like nails scraping against the akasha. Really, you've changed little from your early days as a hypomanic over-rounder/writer. I'm not saying this to be mean, but simply to point out how you may be pushing other people's buttons without even realizing it. You've probably heard the words those who talk, don't know but somehow Lao Tzu was silent on those who cannot STFU. ;-)
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I find Zebra's hypothesis fascinating (regarding the clash of Morphogenetic fields - between Christianity and the Vedic M-field) and worthy of investigation; but my tentative conclusion will differ from Zebras: my conjecture - Jesus will eventually be regarded as another God but not GOD and Christianity will be absorbed within Sanatana Dharma. Worship of the Gods (and Buddhas, Bodhisattvas, Yidams, for the Buddhists) is here to stay. ... However, Vaj; your statements go against the grain of much of Buddhism and you make a feeble attempt to skirt the issue of Gods by saying that Buddhists don't worship Gods. They don't use that word but many Tibetan Buddhists worship physically discarnate entities such as Chenrezig and the Green Tara (and such worship is not entirely for wisdom). In essense, you are a phoney Buddhist, a heretic, and a apostate to Buddhism, worthy of being shunnedor worse. ... http://www.scottgbrooks.com/2009_3.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Oct 31, 2011, at 2:53 PM, maskedzebra wrote: Robin2: Full-on aggression. Again a terrible and inaccurate characterization of what Barry did when he criticized me. Tell me one thing, Curtis (hey, I'm always doing this, n'est-pas?): did Barry *ever* say anything by way of criticizing me which indicated he was willing to answer to that criticism; that is, stand behind it? Did he demonstrate in his silence he was confident about what he said such that further discussion was pointless? Barry would never get caught in full-on aggression. I invite him to deal with me with full-on aggression. WTF are you doing here, Curtis? You are aiding and abetting Barry in being arrested in his post- Frederick Lenz fall-out, something which he does not understand, but which he is, in my estimation, a victim of. Don't get it, Curtis; don't get it at all. (large snippage) I think a blindspot you may be missing is that we've seen and experienced a good number of self-proclaimed TM enlightened folks here already, often acting out in some stereotypical fashion. I suspect given your own verbosity and long-windedness this simply highlights the pain we've already experienced here from having to deal with such individuals. A simple look at one of your posts is probably enough to set off this type of person. I mean I've read the Discovery of Grace and even I cannot bear to read through your often lengthy posts the whole way. It's like nails scraping against the akasha. Really, you've changed little from your early days as a hypomanic over-rounder/writer. I'm not saying this to be mean, but simply to point out how you may be pushing other people's buttons without even realizing it. You've probably heard the words those who talk, don't know but somehow Lao Tzu was silent on those who cannot STFU. ;-)
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Dear Vaj, Seems definitive to me. I only wish you had posted this before all the posts I wrote today. I am a busy man; and I have wasted my time. But, better late than never. You are a total enigma to me, Vaj, so even if there is merit in all that you say here, you say it as if disembodied from your flesh and blood. Sure, that's an easy way out for me; but believe it or not, I resist all this cosmic-enlightenment-Maharishi-TM thing. With a vengeance. So, if I seem to be making myself over into another disguise which differs little from the one when I passed myself off as enlightened, well that is kind of tragic, isn't it. You are existing and writing behind a massive and impenetrable wall, Vaj; and if I am to respond honestly and sincerely to your post hereregardless of its validity in terms of the information and point of viewthen, forgive me, I will have to ask you to reveal yourself. Because a ghost would be more prepossessing to me as an arbiter of the truth about myself than you, in your present persona, can be. I know: I am just being paranoid hereas you have said in the past when I have asked you to unmask yourself. Nevertheless, until you humanize yourself I will choose to not deal straight-on with what you say here. Although, believe me, I have pondered it very carefully. If in my long dialogues with Curtis there is the slightest sense of lording it over on people; if there is anything but a human being giving it his bestwithout once reverting to the authority of his state of consciousness (which presently is extremely fallible and imperfect), then I have committed a grave error of judgmentabout myself. I have felt I was just a person, a thinker, a friend throughout the entire course of my posts with Curtis. And I think anyone on the outside, who did not know I once thought i was enlightenedif you deleted all references to this factwould never imagine what you say is so easily projected onto me. In other words, Vaj, if I never did disclose that I was once in Unity Consciousnessand there were no references to thisI defy anyone to have an experience of me [based upon my posts] that says: Oh boy: this guy is acting like some disgraced former guru. And he *has* an agenda, See for yourself. He is trying to *influence* us. True or not true, Vaj? If you are right and I am wrong, that of course means something. I shouldn't dare to show my face if I am still at the business of giving out my darshan of perfect individuation (or whatever BS I put in that book you refer to). Appreciate your dropping me a line. But the context of your presentation of yourself still seems to me to be the occultation of the personality. That said, I do read very carefully all that you say. As have here. As you see I started off ironic here, but I have ended up being the real Robin. At least I hope I have. This at least was my firm intention. Thanks for the thoughtful reflection, and implied counsel. Maskedzebra --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Oct 31, 2011, at 2:53 PM, maskedzebra wrote: Robin2: Full-on aggression. Again a terrible and inaccurate characterization of what Barry did when he criticized me. Tell me one thing, Curtis (hey, I'm always doing this, n'est-pas?): did Barry *ever* say anything by way of criticizing me which indicated he was willing to answer to that criticism; that is, stand behind it? Did he demonstrate in his silence he was confident about what he said such that further discussion was pointless? Barry would never get caught in full-on aggression. I invite him to deal with me with full-on aggression. WTF are you doing here, Curtis? You are aiding and abetting Barry in being arrested in his post- Frederick Lenz fall-out, something which he does not understand, but which he is, in my estimation, a victim of. Don't get it, Curtis; don't get it at all. (large snippage) I think a blindspot you may be missing is that we've seen and experienced a good number of self-proclaimed TM enlightened folks here already, often acting out in some stereotypical fashion. I suspect given your own verbosity and long-windedness this simply highlights the pain we've already experienced here from having to deal with such individuals. A simple look at one of your posts is probably enough to set off this type of person. I mean I've read the Discovery of Grace and even I cannot bear to read through your often lengthy posts the whole way. It's like nails scraping against the akasha. Really, you've changed little from your early days as a hypomanic over-rounder/writer. I'm not saying this to be mean, but simply to point out how you may be pushing other people's buttons without even realizing it. You've probably heard the words those who talk, don't know but somehow Lao Tzu was silent on those who cannot STFU. ;-)
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On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: No need to explain, Vaj, we've got your (case) number.
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Beautiful, go Zebras. Boo, disembodied enigmatic phantoms/ghosts/et's aka Vakrabuddhi.. On Oct 31, 2011, at 1:29 PM, maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Dear Vaj, Seems definitive to me. I only wish you had posted this before all the posts I wrote today. I am a busy man; and I have wasted my time. But, better late than never. You are a total enigma to me, Vaj, so even if there is merit in all that you say here, you say it as if disembodied from your flesh and blood. Sure, that's an easy way out for me; but believe it or not, I resist all this cosmic-enlightenment-Maharishi-TM thing. With a vengeance. So, if I seem to be making myself over into another disguise which differs little from the one when I passed myself off as enlightened, well that is kind of tragic, isn't it. You are existing and writing behind a massive and impenetrable wall, Vaj; and if I am to respond honestly and sincerely to your post here—regardless of its validity in terms of the information and point of view—then, forgive me, I will have to ask you to reveal yourself. Because a ghost would be more prepossessing to me as an arbiter of the truth about myself than you, in your present persona, can be. I know: I am just being paranoid here—as you have said in the past when I have asked you to unmask yourself. Nevertheless, until you humanize yourself I will choose to not deal straight-on with what you say here. Although, believe me, I have pondered it very carefully. If in my long dialogues with Curtis there is the slightest sense of lording it over on people; if there is anything but a human being giving it his best—without once reverting to the authority of his state of consciousness (which presently is extremely fallible and imperfect), then I have committed a grave error of judgment–about myself. I have felt I was just a person, a thinker, a friend throughout the entire course of my posts with Curtis. And I think anyone on the outside, who did not know I once thought i was enlightened—if you deleted all references to this fact—would never imagine what you say is so easily projected onto me. In other words, Vaj, if I never did disclose that I was once in Unity Consciousness—and there were no references to this—I defy anyone to have an experience of me [based upon my posts] that says: Oh boy: this guy is acting like some disgraced former guru. And he *has* an agenda, See for yourself. He is trying to *influence* us. True or not true, Vaj? If you are right and I am wrong, that of course means something. I shouldn't dare to show my face if I am still at the business of giving out my darshan of perfect individuation (or whatever BS I put in that book you refer to). Appreciate your dropping me a line. But the context of your presentation of yourself still seems to me to be the occultation of the personality. That said, I do read very carefully all that you say. As have here. As you see I started off ironic here, but I have ended up being the real Robin. At least I hope I have. This at least was my firm intention. Thanks for the thoughtful reflection, and implied counsel. Maskedzebra --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Oct 31, 2011, at 2:53 PM, maskedzebra wrote: Robin2: Full-on aggression. Again a terrible and inaccurate characterization of what Barry did when he criticized me. Tell me one thing, Curtis (hey, I'm always doing this, n'est-pas?): did Barry *ever* say anything by way of criticizing me which indicated he was willing to answer to that criticism; that is, stand behind it? Did he demonstrate in his silence he was confident about what he said such that further discussion was pointless? Barry would never get caught in full-on aggression. I invite him to deal with me with full-on aggression. WTF are you doing here, Curtis? You are aiding and abetting Barry in being arrested in his post- Frederick Lenz fall-out, something which he does not understand, but which he is, in my estimation, a victim of. Don't get it, Curtis; don't get it at all. (large snippage) I think a blindspot you may be missing is that we've seen and experienced a good number of self-proclaimed TM enlightened folks here already, often acting out in some stereotypical fashion. I suspect given your own verbosity and long-windedness this simply highlights the pain we've already experienced here from having to deal with such individuals. A simple look at one of your posts is probably enough to set off this type of person. I mean I've read the Discovery of Grace and even I cannot bear to read through your often lengthy posts the whole way. It's like nails scraping against the akasha. Really, you've changed little from your early days as a hypomanic over-rounder/writer. I'm not saying this to be mean, but simply
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: snip I just don't get it, Curtis. WHAT PRAY TELL is at the bottom of your tenacious and pugnacious defence of Barry? ME: That is not what I am doing. I am implicating Judy in the responsibility for the way they interact. She is making a case that she is a pure victim of Barry's badness. She is doing NO SUCH FUCKING THING. The case for Barry's badness has been well made long since by me and Robin and many others here (and before that on alt.m.t). And it will continue to be made as long as he continues to behave the way he does. I and those others are victims only in the same sense that he's the victim of the case we've made against him, i.e., in the abstract. Sadly, there are some who *have* been victims of Barry's viciousness in the concrete sense, i.e., they've been harmed by it. That does not include me or Robin or most if not all of those on FFL currently. The folks who have been genuinely victimized have left for their own self- protection so as not to be wounded any further. Hopefully they'll be able to heal and carry on. The case I'm making with you has to do with your inability or unwillingness to see Barry for who he is, a sadist, someone who gets off on hurting people; and its consequences, specifically your reluctance to criticize his behavior. As Robin says: snip I like the idea of protecting, supporting a friend. But are truth and friendship incompatible? I even wonder whether you are being a true friend to Barry by tolerating his sadism. Finally, I've never denied responsibility for the way Barry and I interact. What I maintain is that far more of it falls on Barry than on me.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Oct 31, 2011, at 1:35 PM, maskedzebra wrote: snip I don't think that Barry gets Judy's goat whatsoever. She remains rational, quick-witted, logical, and coherent. These are not the signs of someone whose goat has been got. What you miss - and this is hard to get if you cannot see what's actually going on - is that Judy is a chronic liar and red herring merchant. This is a deliberate falsehood on Vaj's part. I (and others) have caught Vaj in any number of outright lies; they're well documented here. When you're caught red-handed, you don't have much other recourse than to accuse the person who's caught you of lying and try to make it seem like a she said/ he said proposition to the folks who haven't really been following what's going on. It's not. Vaj has never caught me in a lie, for the simple reason that I don't lie. snip Curtis has caught her at it numerous times, but he prefers to simply keep the peace. That's another deliberate falsehood.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Oct 31, 2011, at 1:58 PM, turquoiseb wrote: NOT wishing to suck Curtis into this, merely in appreciation of him having said it perfectly, I repost his comment below, changing nothing except to highlight the words mindnumbingly high. I mean, that's really the issue, isn't it? 16+ years. Up to 50% percent of her posts in any given week, for all that time. Who on this forum really gives a shit about the purported Barry-Judy Feud except Judy and her Pips? The rest -- wisely -- had their minds numbed by the whole thing years ago and tuned it all out. As numerous psychiatric and psychological professionals have noted several times on this list, there's very likely an underlying pathology here. Well, there's an example of a blatant lie from Vaj. There have been no such posts by psychiatric and psychological professionals.
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Yeah beats me why Curtis keeps saying that. You have never portrayed yourself as one. In fact you give it pretty good and it's fun, that's why Barry hates it. He hates anyone who keeps giving it back to him. In fact he is the one who plays the bully-victim game. At this point Curtis is coming across as a very bad parent of a truly errant child..LOL.. On Oct 31, 2011, at 3:32 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: snip I just don't get it, Curtis. WHAT PRAY TELL is at the bottom of your tenacious and pugnacious defence of Barry? ME: That is not what I am doing. I am implicating Judy in the responsibility for the way they interact. She is making a case that she is a pure victim of Barry's badness. She is doing NO SUCH FUCKING THING. The case for Barry's badness has been well made long since by me and Robin and many others here (and before that on alt.m.t). And it will continue to be made as long as he continues to behave the way he does. I and those others are victims only in the same sense that he's the victim of the case we've made against him, i.e., in the abstract. Sadly, there are some who *have* been victims of Barry's viciousness in the concrete sense, i.e., they've been harmed by it. That does not include me or Robin or most if not all of those on FFL currently. The folks who have been genuinely victimized have left for their own self- protection so as not to be wounded any further. Hopefully they'll be able to heal and carry on. The case I'm making with you has to do with your inability or unwillingness to see Barry for who he is, a sadist, someone who gets off on hurting people; and its consequences, specifically your reluctance to criticize his behavior. As Robin says: snip I like the idea of protecting, supporting a friend. But are truth and friendship incompatible? I even wonder whether you are being a true friend to Barry by tolerating his sadism. Finally, I've never denied responsibility for the way Barry and I interact. What I maintain is that far more of it falls on Barry than on me.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Yeah beats me why Curtis keeps saying that. You have never portrayed yourself as one. In fact you give it pretty good and it's fun, that's why Barry hates it. He hates anyone who keeps giving it back to him. In fact he is the one who plays the bully-victim game. Thank you for pointing this out. He has repeatedly portrayed himself as the victim, even calling me a cyberstalker (and numerous times knowingly falsely accusing me of following him from forum to forum). At this point Curtis is coming across as a very bad parent of a truly errant child..LOL.. Well put. It's also important to point out that I'm far from the only target of his sadistic viciousness, nor am I the only person who finds his behavior inexcusable.
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Vicious yeah but sadistic may be too harsh on Barry. On Oct 31, 2011, at 4:14 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Yeah beats me why Curtis keeps saying that. You have never portrayed yourself as one. In fact you give it pretty good and it's fun, that's why Barry hates it. He hates anyone who keeps giving it back to him. In fact he is the one who plays the bully-victim game. Thank you for pointing this out. He has repeatedly portrayed himself as the victim, even calling me a cyberstalker (and numerous times knowingly falsely accusing me of following him from forum to forum). At this point Curtis is coming across as a very bad parent of a truly errant child..LOL.. Well put. It's also important to point out that I'm far from the only target of his sadistic viciousness, nor am I the only person who finds his behavior inexcusable.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Yeah beats me why Curtis keeps saying that. You have never portrayed yourself as one. In fact you give it pretty good and it's fun, that's why Barry hates it. He hates anyone who keeps giving it back to him. In fact he is the one who plays the bully-victim game. Thank you for pointing this out. He has repeatedly portrayed himself as the victim, even calling me a cyberstalker (and numerous times knowingly falsely accusing me of following him from forum to forum). At this point Curtis is coming across as a very bad parent of a truly errant child..LOL.. Well put. It's also important to point out that I'm far from the only target of his sadistic viciousness, nor am I the only person who finds his behavior inexcusable. Might as well fulfill Cherry's fantasy...Here, we are, Cherry, all three together, Out To Get You - only fitting, as its Halloween... see the ting about Cherry is, he is a spiritual virgin. To lose one's spiritual virginity, the inside must become the outside and the outside becomes the inside. But Cherry ain't there yet; hasn't yet penetrated, and then become, himself. So we watch him prance about coyly in his see through costume instead. Happy Halloween!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Vicious yeah but sadistic may be too harsh on Barry. Sadistic in that he takes pleasure in it. If it just came out once in a while, that would be one thing; but it's near-constant, has been ever since I first encountered him. On Oct 31, 2011, at 4:14 PM, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Yeah beats me why Curtis keeps saying that. You have never portrayed yourself as one. In fact you give it pretty good and it's fun, that's why Barry hates it. He hates anyone who keeps giving it back to him. In fact he is the one who plays the bully-victim game. Thank you for pointing this out. He has repeatedly portrayed himself as the victim, even calling me a cyberstalker (and numerous times knowingly falsely accusing me of following him from forum to forum). At this point Curtis is coming across as a very bad parent of a truly errant child..LOL.. Well put. It's also important to point out that I'm far from the only target of his sadistic viciousness, nor am I the only person who finds his behavior inexcusable.
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Its official - you are nuts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Oct 31, 2011, at 1:35 PM, maskedzebra wrote: Curtis to Judy: He gets your goat by talking trash. Gets a rise every time. You have different styles of antagonizing each other, you are both experienced pros. I know you want to convince me you are a victim here, but that is not going to happen. You have a part in this dynamic and you are choosing it, that was my original point. Dear Curtis, Of course Judy will answer you on this; but I can't help myself. And before I say anything, maybe two things are true that I currently believe are false: namely 1. that Barry does get Judy's goat; and 2. Judy really is into the game of antagonizing Barry. I don't think that Barry gets Judy's goat whatsoever. She remains rational, quick-witted, logical, and coherent. These are not the signs of someone whose goat has been got. What you miss - and this is hard to get if you cannot see what's actually going on - is that Judy is a chronic liar and red herring merchant. She makes shit up about people all the time, and then based on these false perspectives, weaves a story. It's very believable. Logically she uses the straw man fallacy with unusual, probably pathological, regularity and strange precision. Curtis has caught her at it numerous times, but he prefers to simply keep the peace.
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Yep, if his friends and family look back to a day in the - today will be it. On Oct 31, 2011, at 7:00 PM, whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com wrote: Its official - you are nuts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Oct 31, 2011, at 1:35 PM, maskedzebra wrote: Curtis to Judy: He gets your goat by talking trash. Gets a rise every time. You have different styles of antagonizing each other, you are both experienced pros. I know you want to convince me you are a victim here, but that is not going to happen. You have a part in this dynamic and you are choosing it, that was my original point. Dear Curtis, Of course Judy will answer you on this; but I can't help myself. And before I say anything, maybe two things are true that I currently believe are false: namely 1. that Barry does get Judy's goat; and 2. Judy really is into the game of antagonizing Barry. I don't think that Barry gets Judy's goat whatsoever. She remains rational, quick-witted, logical, and coherent. These are not the signs of someone whose goat has been got. What you miss - and this is hard to get if you cannot see what's actually going on - is that Judy is a chronic liar and red herring merchant. She makes shit up about people all the time, and then based on these false perspectives, weaves a story. It's very believable. Logically she uses the straw man fallacy with unusual, probably pathological, regularity and strange precision. Curtis has caught her at it numerous times, but he prefers to simply keep the peace.
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LOL - I suspect they are crazier than he is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Yep, if his friends and family look back to a day in the - today will be it. On Oct 31, 2011, at 7:00 PM, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Its official - you are nuts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Oct 31, 2011, at 1:35 PM, maskedzebra wrote: Curtis to Judy: He gets your goat by talking trash. Gets a rise every time. You have different styles of antagonizing each other, you are both experienced pros. I know you want to convince me you are a victim here, but that is not going to happen. You have a part in this dynamic and you are choosing it, that was my original point. Dear Curtis, Of course Judy will answer you on this; but I can't help myself. And before I say anything, maybe two things are true that I currently believe are false: namely 1. that Barry does get Judy's goat; and 2. Judy really is into the game of antagonizing Barry. I don't think that Barry gets Judy's goat whatsoever. She remains rational, quick-witted, logical, and coherent. These are not the signs of someone whose goat has been got. What you miss - and this is hard to get if you cannot see what's actually going on - is that Judy is a chronic liar and red herring merchant. She makes shit up about people all the time, and then based on these false perspectives, weaves a story. It's very believable. Logically she uses the straw man fallacy with unusual, probably pathological, regularity and strange precision. Curtis has caught her at it numerous times, but he prefers to simply keep the peace.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: NOT wishing to suck Curtis into this, merely in appreciation of him having said it perfectly, I repost his comment below, changing nothing except to highlight the words mindnumbingly high. I mean, that's really the issue, isn't it? 16+ years. Up to 50% percent of her posts in any given week, for all that time. What a weasel statement. Once in a long while 50 percent of my posts in a week have dealt with Barry, and that's typically been when there were conversations going on among several people involving him, like this week. He gets his 50 percent figure by doing a search of my posts for Barry or turquoiseb. Of course, such a search will produce quite a few posts in which I haven't said a word about him. And the flip side of that little deception is that if you search his posts for Judy or authfriend, you won't turn up most of the posts in which he attacks me, because he's careful not to use my name or respond directly to my posts. Who on this forum really gives a shit about the purported Barry-Judy Feud except Judy and her Pips? Translation: Who on this forum has the guts to speak up against Barry's vicious attacks except those he routinely targets? The rest -- wisely -- had their minds numbed by the whole thing years ago and tuned it all out. The rest don't want to make themselves Barry's targets by crossing him.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Actually your comments on them, including in this post, demonstrate that you haven't read nearly enough. ME: You actually wrote that with a straight face? I have read more than enough, we just disagree on the perspective. I just pointed out some of the things you were missing. It isn't only perspective. I avoid them because they are kind of mean on both sides. And here's an example: They're always mean on Barry's side. But not on mine. Moreover, many of his mean posts about me and others *are addressed to you*. If I say something negative to you about Barry, you usually defend him. If he says something negative to you about me, you almost always just ignore it. ME: Your score card might be right. I try to pick my battles here like everyone else. It wouldn't surprise me if I had bias. Thanks for admitting you have double standards. snip Just for one thing, if one were to read my posts that comment on Barry's, one would find that a significant number of them--I'd guess at least 50 percent--are not simply insults; quite a few are not insulting at all. Rather, they involve reasoned, noninflammatory analysis of points that Barry has made. ME: And often in demeaning language that is pretty much guarenteed to continue the ill will. And there's another example demonstrating that you haven't read enough to say. Heck, you didn't even read what *I* just said. Reasoned, noninflammatory analysis is the opposite of demeaning. ME: So you pick 50% as insulting. (Says Curtis, carefully ignoring my point about his mistake.) Those are mostly the ones responding to his insults to me. And as prolific as you are here, and as Barry focused, that 50% number is mindnumbingly high. Barry routinely lies about the percentage of my posts that are about him. snip Barry's posts having to do with me are *always* demeaning. ME: No need to argue with this, it sounds right. I'll take your word that this is how you feel about all of them. No, you're saying it wrong. They're *objectively* demeaning. There are other lopsided elements as well. I don't *make up* stuff about Barry, for instance. And this. ME: He gets your goat by talking trash. Gets a rise every time. So it's perfectly OK for him to lie about me (and others) if it gets a rise out of us? Boy, I'd like to see how you'd react if he were lying about you day after day. snip But it would be very interesting to see what bed Curtis would make with Barry were he to land on Barry's shit list and be subject to the same treatment Barry gives to the others on that list. Curtis might not be quite so sanguine about the availability of other choices. ME: There are examples. Jim and I This isn't an example that relates to what I just wrote. ME: Sure it is. Your interactions with Jim are not an example of what I proposed, which was a hypothetical specifically about interactions between you and Barry. Nice try, no cigar. Not surprising you danced out of the way. snip And I am not even advocating that you do change your pattern with Barry.. You both seem to enjoy it I don't. There's nothing enjoyable about interacting with Barry when one is on his enemies list. ME: Seriously? So it is all pain and you are a pure victim of abuse on the Internet? You can take your victim shit and shove it down your throat. Not enjoyable and painful are not synonymous. Shove your straw man down your throat while you're at it. Try not to choke. snip I don't understand why you feel you need anyone to intervene I don't need anyone to intervene. I simply point out that you don't intervene, on my behalf or anybody else's. That's your choice. It isn't a choice I respect. Me: Point taken. But since I have known you, gaining your respect was not one of my realistic options. It was, but you blew it. And don't think I haven't noted your own lack of intervening when the guns are pointed my way unfairly. Whose guns, Nabby's? Get real.
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I always enjoy your comments Bob. I am trying to sort things out. Bullying is based on one party being weaker than another. ***I know you're not so simple as to think this explains bullying. If you used this explanation to explain bullying to a child, they might be forgiven for concluding that bullying is done out of strength while resisting a bully is form of weakness (I know you don't think that). We both know, if anything, bullying demonstrates a type of inadequacy (weakness) in the bully. So what. I think we're past the point of trying to modify behavior, or get to the root cause of our behaviors. I mean, at the risk of sounding arrogant, I'm not. It's something I think about every day. But for the purposes of FFL, I think we can go with Curtis' definition. I don't see how that applies here.  What situation makes Robin weaker than Barry in their power position on a public board, and therefor subject to bullying? ***I didn't say Robin was the weaker party---quite the contrary, who would you want watching your back on Safari? I would have to disagree. I would not remove Barry from the category of being a loyal friend. I can't relate to the manner in which he goes after Robin, for example, but I understand the impulse. I often have the same impulses, but I guess I put a greater value on trying to find common ground, on trying to get along. I know that is how people coexist in a more harmonious fashion. Posting here has an emotional learning curve.  You learn who to hang with and who to ignore. You are one of the good ones here. What I find unfortunate is that the rancor drives people away. I suppose Barry might say, if you can't stand the heat And of course that's true. And as Curtis has pointed out, there are so many ways to make a point without unleashing both barrels. Like just remaining silent for example. But maybe that's where the glitch is. Feeling you need to blast, when there's no need to say anything. You know, the live and let live thing.
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Yeah, thanks Steve - today it's Barry, tomorrow it might be me. I think bullies and the art of bullying needs to protected in its vicious, raucous, boisterous purity. I protest this !! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: I always enjoy your comments Bob. I am trying to sort things out. Bullying is based on one party being weaker than another. ***I know you're not so simple as to think this explains bullying. If you used this explanation to explain bullying to a child, they might be forgiven for concluding that bullying is done out of strength while resisting a bully is form of weakness (I know you don't think that). We both know, if anything, bullying demonstrates a type of inadequacy (weakness) in the bully. So what. I think we're past the point of trying to modify behavior, or get to the root cause of our behaviors. I mean, at the risk of sounding arrogant, I'm not. It's something I think about every day. But for the purposes of FFL, I think we can go with Curtis' definition. I don't see how that applies here.  What situation makes Robin weaker than Barry in their power position on a public board, and therefor subject to bullying? ***I didn't say Robin was the weaker party---quite the contrary, who would you want watching your back on Safari? I would have to disagree. I would not remove Barry from the category of being a loyal friend. I can't relate to the manner in which he goes after Robin, for example, but I understand the impulse. I often have the same impulses, but I guess I put a greater value on trying to find common ground, on trying to get along. I know that is how people coexist in a more harmonious fashion. Posting here has an emotional learning curve.  You learn who to hang with and who to ignore. You are one of the good ones here. What I find unfortunate is that the rancor drives people away. I suppose Barry might say, if you can't stand the heat And of course that's true. And as Curtis has pointed out, there are so many ways to make a point without unleashing both barrels. Like just remaining silent for example. But maybe that's where the glitch is. Feeling you need to blast, when there's no need to say anything. You know, the live and let live thing.
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Let not one reckless, lawless, brainless bully destroy the pristine, pious, puritan art of bullying that divine mother gangstas like me practice. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Yeah, thanks Steve - today it's Barry, tomorrow it might be me. I think bullies and the art of bullying needs to protected in its vicious, raucous, boisterous purity. I protest this !! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: I always enjoy your comments Bob. I am trying to sort things out. Bullying is based on one party being weaker than another. ***I know you're not so simple as to think this explains bullying. If you used this explanation to explain bullying to a child, they might be forgiven for concluding that bullying is done out of strength while resisting a bully is form of weakness (I know you don't think that). We both know, if anything, bullying demonstrates a type of inadequacy (weakness) in the bully. So what. I think we're past the point of trying to modify behavior, or get to the root cause of our behaviors. I mean, at the risk of sounding arrogant, I'm not. It's something I think about every day. But for the purposes of FFL, I think we can go with Curtis' definition. I don't see how that applies here.  What situation makes Robin weaker than Barry in their power position on a public board, and therefor subject to bullying? ***I didn't say Robin was the weaker party---quite the contrary, who would you want watching your back on Safari? I would have to disagree. I would not remove Barry from the category of being a loyal friend. I can't relate to the manner in which he goes after Robin, for example, but I understand the impulse. I often have the same impulses, but I guess I put a greater value on trying to find common ground, on trying to get along. I know that is how people coexist in a more harmonious fashion. Posting here has an emotional learning curve.  You learn who to hang with and who to ignore. You are one of the good ones here. What I find unfortunate is that the rancor drives people away. I suppose Barry might say, if you can't stand the heat And of course that's true. And as Curtis has pointed out, there are so many ways to make a point without unleashing both barrels. Like just remaining silent for example. But maybe that's where the glitch is. Feeling you need to blast, when there's no need to say anything. You know, the live and let live thing.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: OK, I'll chalk it up to a lack of social skills.:-) No, he is mean-spirited and toxic. az is one of Barry's chief defenders, so of course Curtis has to defend him. WTF? Jim got this right. I genuinely thought Az was joking, still do. az and Barry and Curtis and Vaj all stick together to defend each other from criticism and attack each other's critics; haven't you noticed? (Barry and az and Vaj do most of the attacking; Curtis mostly plays defense.) You know what would work better if you were trying to make this false case? If you didn't do it in the context of you and Jim whose positive interactions with me are both evidence that I do not act this way here. I have a long history of dealing with each person here on a post to post basis. I don't care what anyone thinks of anyone else here. I don't even care if the post with me before was a fight. If the new post is a real connection, I run with that and forget the past animosity. I am only interested in pursuing the best version of communication I can achieve. We are all choosing the interactions we want with each other. Everyone is sleeping in the bed they made themselves here. I don't join feuds, I don't take tribal sides, and I wouldn't post something I didn't believe just because it supported someone I enjoy here against their feuding partner. And you of anyone here should know that Judy. az's string of insults isn't even original; he cribbed it from something that's been around on the Internet forever. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: My, what a mean spirited, toxic little person you are. I'll continue to hang out with the normal people, if you don't mind... IMO you gave yourself the clue to the intent: 1 azgrey- second driest wit on here, next to seventhray. Second clue: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote: Jim, as you well know, I am never one to engage in an ad hominem attack. Seems to me that he just took the premise and ran the riff on out.
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-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I think it was Bob price's apology to you, and the ongoing RC/Curtis dialogues. Alienates Barry and pisses him off to no end. My two cents. Maybe so. He's never dealt well with alpha males (or alpha females, for that matter). He was able to forge a sort of nonaggression pact with Curtis, The non conspiracy theory name for this is that we like each other. Novel concept, I know. but once Robin and Bob were added to the mix he was sunk, especially when they started forming alliances with each other. And then when none of them outright reject me, it's more than he can stand. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: And you wonder why I described your heart as shriveled? How old are you anyway, kiddo? Poor guy has been really, really miserable the last few days. Something double-plus-ungood must have happened in his life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Ah, finally an antidote to all the sucking up, fawning, and drama queenery lately. Any sentence of this classic rant is more worth reading than all posts made by the Gladys Knight and the Pips symbiote in total. I was starting to consider dropping out of the forum because there was nothing worth reading on it, but you have saved the day. At least *this* day. :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: OK, I'll chalk it up to a lack of social skills.:-) No, he is mean-spirited and toxic. az is one of Barry's chief defenders, so of course Curtis has to defend him. WTF? Jim got this right. I genuinely thought Az was joking, still do. az and Barry and Curtis and Vaj all stick together to defend each other from criticism and attack each other's critics; haven't you noticed? (Barry and az and Vaj do most of the attacking; Curtis mostly plays defense.) You know what would work better if you were trying to make this false case? If you didn't do it in the context of you and Jim whose positive interactions with me are both evidence that I do not act this way here. I have a long history of dealing with each person here on a post to post basis. I don't care what anyone thinks of anyone else here. I don't even care if the post with me before was a fight. If the new post is a real connection, I run with that and forget the past animosity. I am only interested in pursuing the best version of communication I can achieve. We are all choosing the interactions we want with each other. Everyone is sleeping in the bed they made themselves here. I don't join feuds, I don't take tribal sides, and I wouldn't post something I didn't believe just because it supported someone I enjoy here against their feuding partner. And you of anyone here should know that Judy. I honestly think the issue is that she is so lost in such a constant state of obsession and revenge-seeking that she simply cannot conceive of you or anyone else not being that way, too. If you say something positive about one of the people she obsesses on, in her mind the only possible explanation for that is that you are doing it to fuck with her. It's always all about Judy. At least now you know what she really thinks of you.
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RESPONSE: You're too subtle for all of us, Curtis. But I declare your response here to Judy BS. But it is Curtis BS, which, as I say, is something more complex and intricate than can be grasped or understood by a mind less than your own. But I will make a bet with you: I am confident there is a dark side to Curtisand it is possible to provoke this unacknowledged side of you. Are you willing to go on the record and say: No, I don't have a dark side, and no one therefore can draw out of me that which does not exist? you make up your own reality. You deconstruct the reality of others. You impose your own context. You take away the context of other people. Your positivity is a form of intense and brilliant negativity. Why is this positive intention and modus operandi negative? Because it simply ignores, tramples over, destroys, banishes the reality of another person who would argue with you. You are both seductive and aggressive. And your ruthlessness knows no mercy. You are such a master of yourself, Curtis, that you manipulate reality. I have never known anyone who could do this. Your response to my letter implies that I am flighty, neurotic, paranoid, hyper-sensitive, and deceivedthat is, on the basis of misinterpreting you. I do not recognize these qualities in myself. But you see in your response, and then in this response to Judy, you cunningly uphold your game. And everyone who reads what you sayto me, now here to Judythinks to themselves: Well, I guess Robin and Judy were wrong, because the righteousness of Curtis, even the saintliness of Curtis, shines through here. And first Robin, then Judy, are refuted. It just feels this must be so. But this is just your power to remake reality into the image of what suits your own purposes. No human being can claim to do what you do, Curtis. It is a kind of scary and ultimate self-suficiency that is born of a tremendous hatred of the authority of reality. Something like that. But I was wondering whether you would, because this really means something to me, put in a good word for me with Barry. Can you do that? Like tell him you are pretty sure I am not a faggot. Willing to do that? Because, as you can imagine, what he said to me was pretty hurtful, although of course I tried to slough it off with my predictable irony. But it has left a scar. Hey, Curtis! This whole post that you just read here, it was my attempt to pull my old extreme metaphysical theatre on you! I was just doing an Andy Kaufman. Really. But do you know what? I THINK IT ALMOST WORKED. What do *you* say? No, I love you, Curtis, and you are a beautiful human being. This has been my experience from the beginning. I am not about to change my mind now. Please give me some of that old time positivity in your response to all this. I am trying to get my black belt in mind-f**k. As I am sure you can see in reading this post. May I join forces with you and give Judy hell on your behalf? No, you don't need any help, Curtis. And I sayin all seriousnessyou are the best. It's just what you are best at is not, when it really comes down to it, a nice thing. My opinion, mind you. And remember: In responding to this, Be Positive. Your writing buddy Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: OK, I'll chalk it up to a lack of social skills.:-) No, he is mean-spirited and toxic. az is one of Barry's chief defenders, so of course Curtis has to defend him. WTF? Jim got this right. I genuinely thought Az was joking, still do. az and Barry and Curtis and Vaj all stick together to defend each other from criticism and attack each other's critics; haven't you noticed? (Barry and az and Vaj do most of the attacking; Curtis mostly plays defense.) You know what would work better if you were trying to make this false case? If you didn't do it in the context of you and Jim whose positive interactions with me are both evidence that I do not act this way here. I have a long history of dealing with each person here on a post to post basis. I don't care what anyone thinks of anyone else here. I don't even care if the post with me before was a fight. If the new post is a real connection, I run with that and forget the past animosity. I am only interested in pursuing the best version of communication I can achieve. We are all choosing the interactions we want with each other. Everyone is sleeping in the bed they made themselves here. I don't join feuds, I don't take tribal sides, and I wouldn't post something I didn't believe just because it supported someone I enjoy here against their feuding partner. And you of anyone here should know that Judy. az's string of insults isn't even original; he
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: OK, I'll chalk it up to a lack of social skills.:-) No, he is mean-spirited and toxic. az is one of Barry's chief defenders, so of course Curtis has to defend him. WTF? Jim got this right. I genuinely thought Az was joking, still do. Maybe so, but az's usual toxic mean-spiritedness makes it hard to tell. az and Barry and Curtis and Vaj all stick together to defend each other from criticism and attack each other's critics; haven't you noticed? (Barry and az and Vaj do most of the attacking; Curtis mostly plays defense.) You know what would work better if you were trying to make this false case? If you didn't do it in the context of you and Jim whose positive interactions with me are both evidence that I do not act this way here. Well, it's not a false case, but please note (how did you miss it??) that I specifically exempted you from the attack component (check the parenthetical). I have a long history of dealing with each person here on a post to post basis. But you're happy to bring up perceived past slights if it suits your purposes. I don't care what anyone thinks of anyone else here. You know what would work better if you were trying to make this false case? If you didn't do it in the context of your defense of az to Jim. Sheesh, Curtis! Have you not had your coffee yet, or what?? You've also defended Barry to me a number of times, and we had a whole thread in which you defended Vaj; and on one occasion awhile back you took me severely to task for what you perceived (incorrectly) to be an attack on Ruth. And those are just three examples. snip We are all choosing the interactions we want with each other. Everyone is sleeping in the bed they made themselves here. Yup. I'm just describing the bed you've made for yourself, which involves defending certain of your buddies from criticism, but never defending the folks those buddies attack. (Makes it a little awkward when one of the buddies you normally defend attacks one of your more recently established buddies.) I don't join feuds, I don't take tribal sides, and I wouldn't post something I didn't believe just because it supported someone I enjoy here against their feuding partner. Nobody's asking you to do that.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I think it was Bob price's apology to you, and the ongoing RC/Curtis dialogues. Alienates Barry and pisses him off to no end. My two cents. Maybe so. He's never dealt well with alpha males (or alpha females, for that matter). He was able to forge a sort of nonaggression pact with Curtis, The non conspiracy theory name for this is that we like each other. Novel concept, I know. Yes, forging nonaggression pacts is what alpha males who like each other have to do. Has nothing to do with conspiracies. If it were kept secret, why they don't fight each other would puzzle the hell out of the rest of the pack. but once Robin and Bob were added to the mix he was sunk, especially when they started forming alliances with each other. And then when none of them outright reject me, it's more than he can stand.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: OK, I'll chalk it up to a lack of social skills.:-) No, he is mean-spirited and toxic. az is one of Barry's chief defenders, so of course Curtis has to defend him. WTF? Jim got this right. I genuinely thought Az was joking, still do. az and Barry and Curtis and Vaj all stick together to defend each other from criticism and attack each other's critics; haven't you noticed? (Barry and az and Vaj do most of the attacking; Curtis mostly plays defense.) You know what would work better if you were trying to make this false case? If you didn't do it in the context of you and Jim whose positive interactions with me are both evidence that I do not act this way here. I have a long history of dealing with each person here on a post to post basis. I don't care what anyone thinks of anyone else here. I don't even care if the post with me before was a fight. If the new post is a real connection, I run with that and forget the past animosity. I am only interested in pursuing the best version of communication I can achieve. We are all choosing the interactions we want with each other. Everyone is sleeping in the bed they made themselves here. I don't join feuds, I don't take tribal sides, and I wouldn't post something I didn't believe just because it supported someone I enjoy here against their feuding partner. And you of anyone here should know that Judy. I honestly think the issue is that she is so lost in such a constant state of obsession and revenge-seeking that she simply cannot conceive of you or anyone else not being that way, too. If you say something positive about one of the people she obsesses on, in her mind the only possible explanation for that is that you are doing it to fuck with her. It's always all about Judy. At least now you know what she really thinks of you. Curtis has known exactly what I really think of him for quite a few years now. We have disagreements concerning certain ethical principles, such as his refusal to defend anybody from unfair attack by one of his buddies, while often defending a buddy from criticisms made by one of those the buddy has attacked. And no, I don't think he does it to fuck with me; I'm only one of the people he refrains from defending. His failure to defend Robin from your attacks are one of the most recent examples. He does it in an attempt to avoid conflict with people he likes, even when they're clearly in the wrong.
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Its called wedge politics, Cherry. Since you are trying for a favorable impression with Curtis, you try to make Judy look bad, in the hopes that the electorate (Curtis) will swing to your point of view. Sorry, but your name ain't Cherry fer nuthin;. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: OK, I'll chalk it up to a lack of social skills.:-) No, he is mean-spirited and toxic. az is one of Barry's chief defenders, so of course Curtis has to defend him. WTF? Jim got this right. I genuinely thought Az was joking, still do. az and Barry and Curtis and Vaj all stick together to defend each other from criticism and attack each other's critics; haven't you noticed? (Barry and az and Vaj do most of the attacking; Curtis mostly plays defense.) You know what would work better if you were trying to make this false case? If you didn't do it in the context of you and Jim whose positive interactions with me are both evidence that I do not act this way here. I have a long history of dealing with each person here on a post to post basis. I don't care what anyone thinks of anyone else here. I don't even care if the post with me before was a fight. If the new post is a real connection, I run with that and forget the past animosity. I am only interested in pursuing the best version of communication I can achieve. We are all choosing the interactions we want with each other. Everyone is sleeping in the bed they made themselves here. I don't join feuds, I don't take tribal sides, and I wouldn't post something I didn't believe just because it supported someone I enjoy here against their feuding partner. And you of anyone here should know that Judy. I honestly think the issue is that she is so lost in such a constant state of obsession and revenge-seeking that she simply cannot conceive of you or anyone else not being that way, too. If you say something positive about one of the people she obsesses on, in her mind the only possible explanation for that is that you are doing it to fuck with her. It's always all about Judy. At least now you know what she really thinks of you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: OK, I'll chalk it up to a lack of social skills.:-) No, he is mean-spirited and toxic. az is one of Barry's chief defenders, so of course Curtis has to defend him. WTF? Jim got this right. I genuinely thought Az was joking, still do. Maybe so, but az's usual toxic mean-spiritedness makes it hard to tell. Agreed. But the whole point was about dry humor so it fit. az and Barry and Curtis and Vaj all stick together to defend each other from criticism and attack each other's critics; haven't you noticed? (Barry and az and Vaj do most of the attacking; Curtis mostly plays defense.) You know what would work better if you were trying to make this false case? If you didn't do it in the context of you and Jim whose positive interactions with me are both evidence that I do not act this way here. Well, it's not a false case, but please note (how did you miss it??) that I specifically exempted you from the attack component (check the parenthetical). I did catch that. I was objecting to the pack thing. I have a long history of dealing with each person here on a post to post basis. But you're happy to bring up perceived past slights if it suits your purposes. Probably true. I am not claiming not to feel things. I am just making my own choices on how to respond, doing my best to work with what is in the fresh post. I don't care what anyone thinks of anyone else here. You know what would work better if you were trying to make this false case? If you didn't do it in the context of your defense of az to Jim. Your framing of a defense for Az is erroneous. I believed it was a misread by Jim and I could be wrong. It isn't a defense if the person misread the intention of a satire to point that out. If Az comes out with a follow-up that he really meant that stuff and I defended him somehow, that would be a defense. Sheesh, Curtis! Have you not had your coffee yet, or what?? Half Sumatra (for body) half French roast (for the Satan flavor) You've also defended Barry to me a number of times, and we had a whole thread in which you defended Vaj; and on one occasion awhile back you took me severely to task for what you perceived (incorrectly) to be an attack on Ruth. And those are just three examples. snip We are all choosing the interactions we want with each other. Everyone is sleeping in the bed they made themselves here. Yup. I'm just describing the bed you've made for yourself, which involves defending certain of your buddies from criticism, but never defending the folks those buddies attack. (Makes it a little awkward when one of the buddies you normally defend attacks one of your more recently established buddies.) No it doesn't. Robin is doing fine defending himself and my parodies are working just fine in conveying my POV on it all. How Robin and Barry want to converse here is not interesting to me. And I don't defend my buddies in the way you imply. I speak up with my opinion about topics and try to stay out of the feuding on both sides. I don't join feuds, I don't take tribal sides, and I wouldn't post something I didn't believe just because it supported someone I enjoy here against their feuding partner. Nobody's asking you to do that. You have in the past. You shame me for not taking sides against Barry when he is being unfair to you IYO. You claim it is my inferior ethical standard. But that's OK because I am keeping my eye on the balls that interest me. (Damn I wasn't even trying to stick the landing on this one and am presented with a gift from the Gay gods! Thank you Our Lady of Gaga.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I don't join feuds, I don't take tribal sides, and I wouldn't post something I didn't believe just because it supported someone I enjoy here against their feuding partner. Nobody's asking you to do that. You have in the past. And she is doing so in this post, and will again. Not only with you, but with anyone else she can suck into the Judy Stein Hate Tarbaby. You shame me for not taking sides against Barry when he is being unfair to you IYO. You claim it is my inferior ethical standard. Indeed she has. But for the record, I don't feel that I have been unfair to her in the least. I have merely pointed out the truth, that she's a 70-year- old sad old housebound woman, much of whose life for over 16 years has centered on obsessing about and trying to get a few people she doesn't like, like me, Vaj, and yourself. She seems to feel that this is an unfair character- ization, or a lie. I think it's the simple truth. That's really the situation as I see it, and I don't think I'm alone here in seeing it that way. The woman's fuckin' nuts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: I'll run this straight till your reveal of the theater aspect. RESPONSE: You're too subtle for all of us, Curtis. But I declare your response here to Judy BS. But it is Curtis BS, which, as I say, is something more complex and intricate than can be grasped or understood by a mind less than your own. But I will make a bet with you: I am confident there is a dark side to Curtisand it is possible to provoke this unacknowledged side of you. Are you willing to go on the record and say: No, I don't have a dark side, and no one therefore can draw out of me that which does not exist? I have more than a dark side, I am completely black inside. I have my share of antagonistic discussions here. But I find that if I can get past that if a new post comes in from a friendly spot from someone I have been fighting with, it is an opportunity that I don't want to piss away with some version ofYeah well that isn't what you said before butthole. I believe in the constant ability for all of us to achieve redemption. you make up your own reality. You deconstruct the reality of others. You impose your own context. You take away the context of other people. Around here we call that being human. Your positivity is a form of intense and brilliant negativity. Why is this positive intention and modus operandi negative? Because it simply ignores, tramples over, destroys, banishes the reality of another person who would argue with you. You are both seductive and aggressive. And your ruthlessness knows no mercy. Mindfuckery of the highest order. This is not your first rodeo brother. Black is white, up is down. You are such a master of yourself, Curtis, that you manipulate reality. I have never known anyone who could do this. Your response to my letter implies that I am flighty, neurotic, paranoid, hyper-sensitive, and deceivedthat is, on the basis of misinterpreting you. Then we didn't read the same post. I believe you were incorrect in your assumptions about where I was coming from. I do not recognize these qualities in myself. But you see in your response, and then in this response to Judy, you cunningly uphold your game. And everyone who reads what you sayto me, now here to Judythinks to themselves: Well, I guess Robin and Judy were wrong, because the righteousness of Curtis, even the saintliness of Curtis, shines through here. And first Robin, then Judy, are refuted. It just feels this must be so. But in this case you really were both wrong about my intentions. I am the one who would know having some inside knowledge on the topic of myself. But I stand corrected all the time here when I misread so don't take it too hard. We all get our turn. And I am prone to seeing something to take personally that are not there in posts. just ask Judy who is the most likely target for my occasional touchiness. But this is just your power to remake reality into the image of what suits your own purposes. No human being can claim to do what you do, Curtis. It is a kind of scary and ultimate self-suficiency that is born of a tremendous hatred of the authority of reality. This wouldn't be the same butthole who sent me a plague of bedbugs which required me to spend the last week bagging up everything I own and emptying every closet and drawer, piling up all my possessions in the middle of my apartment like a yard sale Tower of Babel of my whole life? And I get to live this way for the next 3 weeks while my apartment is saturated by some version of Martin chemistry whose affects on humans haven't had time to be tested? Yeah, there is a bit of hater-aid in my fridge for that guy. Because if it wasn't evolution who turned the bat blood sucking bugs on the top of early man's caves into the creature who dines on us, if it was a conscious choice by a being who knew what a petulance this would be for man...let's just say my Christmas card list just got one card shorter. (Word to the wise, put on a very good mattress cover and check it frequently. Mine may have saved my ass in catching this in time.) Something like that. But I was wondering whether you would, because this really means something to me, put in a good word for me with Barry. Can you do that? Like tell him you are pretty sure I am not a faggot. Willing to do that? Because, as you can imagine, what he said to me was pretty hurtful, although of course I tried to slough it off with my predictable irony. But it has left a scar. You are asking me to give up all the gay humor which forces us to strike the difficult balance of being gay friendly and yet touch on topics bound to stir up homophobia all in the same linguistically well-hung package? You are asking me to give up the challenge of balancing my turgid support for gay rights and against gay bashing with humor concerning gay culture and its
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: OK, I'll chalk it up to a lack of social skills.:-) No, he is mean-spirited and toxic. az is one of Barry's chief defenders, so of course Curtis has to defend him. WTF? Jim got this right. I genuinely thought Az was joking, still do. Maybe so, but az's usual toxic mean-spiritedness makes it hard to tell. Agreed. But the whole point was about dry humor so it fit. Fit what?? What does dry humor have to do with toxic mean-spiritedness? az and Barry and Curtis and Vaj all stick together to defend each other from criticism and attack each other's critics; haven't you noticed? (Barry and az and Vaj do most of the attacking; Curtis mostly plays defense.) You know what would work better if you were trying to make this false case? If you didn't do it in the context of you and Jim whose positive interactions with me are both evidence that I do not act this way here. Well, it's not a false case, but please note (how did you miss it??) that I specifically exempted you from the attack component (check the parenthetical). I did catch that. I was objecting to the pack thing. Nice sidestep, but not convincing. I don't care what anyone thinks of anyone else here. You know what would work better if you were trying to make this false case? If you didn't do it in the context of your defense of az to Jim. Your framing of a defense for Az is erroneous. I believed it was a misread by Jim and I could be wrong. It isn't a defense if the person misread the intention of a satire to point that out. If Az comes out with a follow-up that he really meant that stuff and I defended him somehow, that would be a defense. Well, that's a very creative distinction, but I'm not buying it. *Of course* it's a defense to suggest that someone misread somebody else's intentions. And of course it contradicts your claim that you don't care what anyone thinks of anyone else here. You cared enough about what Jim said about az to attempt to correct what you believed was his misimpression. Plus which, as I went on to point out, you've done the same thing regarding Barry and Vaj and Ruth: You've also defended Barry to me a number of times, and we had a whole thread in which you defended Vaj; and on one occasion awhile back you took me severely to task for what you perceived (incorrectly) to be an attack on Ruth. And those are just three examples. No comment from you. We are all choosing the interactions we want with each other. Everyone is sleeping in the bed they made themselves here. Yup. I'm just describing the bed you've made for yourself, which involves defending certain of your buddies from criticism, but never defending the folks those buddies attack. (Makes it a little awkward when one of the buddies you normally defend attacks one of your more recently established buddies.) No it doesn't. Robin is doing fine defending himself and my parodies are working just fine in conveying my POV on it all. How Robin and Barry want to converse here is not interesting to me. And I don't defend my buddies in the way you imply. I speak up with my opinion about topics and try to stay out of the feuding on both sides. But oddly enough, it always seems to work out as I described. You defend your buddies, but you don't defend those whom your buddies have unfairly attacked. I don't join feuds, I don't take tribal sides, and I wouldn't post something I didn't believe just because it supported someone I enjoy here against their feuding partner. Nobody's asking you to do that. You have in the past. Never, *ever* have I asked, nor would I ever ask, that you post anything you didn't believe, to or about anybody, for any reason. Nor have I asked you to join feuds or take tribal sides. I'm talking about individual instances. You shame me for not taking sides against Barry when he is being unfair to you IYO. But you take sides against me when you think I'm being unfair to him. Likewise Vaj and Ruth, and others I'm sure I could come up with. You claim it is my inferior ethical standard. Yes, double standards are generally considered inferior ethically speaking. .
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I don't join feuds, I don't take tribal sides, and I wouldn't post something I didn't believe just because it supported someone I enjoy here against their feuding partner. Nobody's asking you to do that. You have in the past. And she is doing so in this post, and will again. Nope, never have, never would. Not only with you, but with anyone else she can suck into the Judy Stein Hate Tarbaby. I wouldn't be trying to foist Hate Tarbabies on others if I were you, Barry. You have a whole asylum full of 'em. You shame me for not taking sides against Barry when he is being unfair to you IYO. You claim it is my inferior ethical standard. Indeed she has. But for the record, I don't feel that I have been unfair to her in the least. I have merely pointed out the truth, that she's a 70-year- old sad old housebound woman, much of whose life for over 16 years has centered on obsessing about and trying to get a few people she doesn't like, like me, Vaj, and yourself. She seems to feel that this is an unfair character- ization, or a lie. I think it's the simple truth. Except, of course, that it's factually inaccurate. But that's never gotten in the way of BarryTruth before.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: And no, I don't think he does it to fuck with me; I'm only one of the people he refrains from defending. His failure to defend Robin from your attacks are one of the most recent examples. Yes Robin seems so defenseless and incapable of addressing his own critics, it would really behoove me to swing my alpha male schlong into the mix and tell Barry he is being a meany to poor Robin. Then I will gather little Robin up in my arms, wipe away his tiny tears, and enroll him into a mixed martial arts academy where he will learn to defend himself. And then when Robin responds to Barry with some caustic wickedness of his own, I can run in and scoop up little Barry in my thick manly embrace and squeeze his little body, till a tear falls down his leg. I would do these things, but I have decided that I would rather spend my afternoon removing both of my eyes with a cleverly shaped escargot fork instead. Oh well, no accounting for a person's tastes right? He does it in an attempt to avoid conflict with people he likes, even when they're clearly in the wrong. I like you Judy. How do you explain my enthusiasm for our conflicts? Such a busy role you have chosen. I would love to join you in your righteous mission but first a nap, followed by a snooze, and then ending in sawing logs snore-fest lasting until someone writes something that is interesting to ME. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: OK, I'll chalk it up to a lack of social skills.:-) No, he is mean-spirited and toxic. az is one of Barry's chief defenders, so of course Curtis has to defend him. WTF? Jim got this right. I genuinely thought Az was joking, still do. az and Barry and Curtis and Vaj all stick together to defend each other from criticism and attack each other's critics; haven't you noticed? (Barry and az and Vaj do most of the attacking; Curtis mostly plays defense.) You know what would work better if you were trying to make this false case? If you didn't do it in the context of you and Jim whose positive interactions with me are both evidence that I do not act this way here. I have a long history of dealing with each person here on a post to post basis. I don't care what anyone thinks of anyone else here. I don't even care if the post with me before was a fight. If the new post is a real connection, I run with that and forget the past animosity. I am only interested in pursuing the best version of communication I can achieve. We are all choosing the interactions we want with each other. Everyone is sleeping in the bed they made themselves here. I don't join feuds, I don't take tribal sides, and I wouldn't post something I didn't believe just because it supported someone I enjoy here against their feuding partner. And you of anyone here should know that Judy. I honestly think the issue is that she is so lost in such a constant state of obsession and revenge-seeking that she simply cannot conceive of you or anyone else not being that way, too. If you say something positive about one of the people she obsesses on, in her mind the only possible explanation for that is that you are doing it to fuck with her. It's always all about Judy. At least now you know what she really thinks of you. Curtis has known exactly what I really think of him for quite a few years now. We have disagreements concerning certain ethical principles, such as his refusal to defend anybody from unfair attack by one of his buddies, while often defending a buddy from criticisms made by one of those the buddy has attacked. And no, I don't think he does it to fuck with me; I'm only one of the people he refrains from defending. His failure to defend Robin from your attacks are one of the most recent examples. He does it in an attempt to avoid conflict with people he likes, even when they're clearly in the wrong.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: snip Judy is fond of characterizing me as falsely positive and hiding some darkness at my core. I don't really get it. Perhaps you will be the first to articulate how wretched I really am inside. I mean all this blues in my life has got to mean something, BREAKING NEWS: We are ALL hiding some darkness at our core. Every last one of us. Some do a better job hiding it--from themselves as well as others--than others. In my perception, you're more resistant than most to the idea that you harbor any darkness, and as a result you tend to overcompensate. I go back to this: I was being the goodest boy, I wanted to be in an unreproachable state. That was your description of yourself when you were in the movement, but I think you brought the basic tendency with you into the movement and took it with you when you left.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: OK, I'll chalk it up to a lack of social skills.:-) No, he is mean-spirited and toxic. az is one of Barry's chief defenders, so of course Curtis has to defend him. WTF? Jim got this right. I genuinely thought Az was joking, still do. Maybe so, but az's usual toxic mean-spiritedness makes it hard to tell. Agreed. But the whole point was about dry humor so it fit. Fit what?? What does dry humor have to do with toxic mean-spiritedness? I made my case for how I saw it already. az and Barry and Curtis and Vaj all stick together to defend each other from criticism and attack each other's critics; haven't you noticed? (Barry and az and Vaj do most of the attacking; Curtis mostly plays defense.) You know what would work better if you were trying to make this false case? If you didn't do it in the context of you and Jim whose positive interactions with me are both evidence that I do not act this way here. Well, it's not a false case, but please note (how did you miss it??) that I specifically exempted you from the attack component (check the parenthetical). I did catch that. I was objecting to the pack thing. Nice sidestep, but not convincing. Labeling the truth as a sidestep doesn't work outside your own mind. I don't care what anyone thinks of anyone else here. You know what would work better if you were trying to make this false case? If you didn't do it in the context of your defense of az to Jim. Your framing of a defense for Az is erroneous. I believed it was a misread by Jim and I could be wrong. It isn't a defense if the person misread the intention of a satire to point that out. If Az comes out with a follow-up that he really meant that stuff and I defended him somehow, that would be a defense. Well, that's a very creative distinction, but I'm not buying it. *Of course* it's a defense to suggest that someone misread somebody else's intentions. And of course it contradicts your claim that you don't care what anyone thinks of anyone else here. You cared enough about what Jim said about az to attempt to correct what you believed was his misimpression. No it doesn't. If Az and Jim hate each other, it is none of my business. I was clearing up what I believe is a miscommunication. And if it fit your agenda, you would see this obvious distinction. But I could be wrong. Maybe Az used the chance to get in some shots on Jim and Jim was reacting appropriately to the actual intent. I was just giving my opinion. Plus which, as I went on to point out, you've done the same thing regarding Barry and Vaj and Ruth: You've also defended Barry to me a number of times, and we had a whole thread in which you defended Vaj; and on one occasion awhile back you took me severely to task for what you perceived (incorrectly) to be an attack on Ruth. And those are just three examples. No comment from you. If you are making a case that I often see things the way people I seem to have more intellectual affinity with and therefor are more likely to see it their way, guilty as charged. And I am not imposing some kind of rule about when I will jump in here. But I have been pretty consistent staying out of your deal with Barry and am doing so with the Robin Barry deal. I can easily imagine defending Ruth because I had a lot of intellectual common ground with her. And it isn't defending Vaj to voice my opinion about his teacher's status. You are couching these interactions in the language of your feud perspective. We are all choosing the interactions we want with each other. Everyone is sleeping in the bed they made themselves here. Yup. I'm just describing the bed you've made for yourself, which involves defending certain of your buddies from criticism, but never defending the folks those buddies attack. (Makes it a little awkward when one of the buddies you normally defend attacks one of your more recently established buddies.) No it doesn't. Robin is doing fine defending himself and my parodies are working just fine in conveying my POV on it all. How Robin and Barry want to converse here is not interesting to me. And I don't defend my buddies in the way you imply. I speak up with my opinion about topics and try to stay out of the feuding on both sides. But oddly enough, it always seems to work out
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip Judy is fond of characterizing me as falsely positive and hiding some darkness at my core. I don't really get it. Perhaps you will be the first to articulate how wretched I really am inside. I mean all this blues in my life has got to mean something, BREAKING NEWS: We are ALL hiding some darkness at our core. Every last one of us. Some do a better job hiding it--from themselves as well as others--than others. In my perception, you're more resistant than most to the idea that you harbor any darkness, and as a result you tend to overcompensate. Yes we have heard this before. I'm gunna go with a no on this because I have some insider knowledge. I go back to this: I was being the goodest boy, I wanted to be in an unreproachable state. That was your description of yourself when you were in the movement, but I think you brought the basic tendency with you into the movement and took it with you when you left. You have misrepresented this since our earliest posts on AMT. As if enlightenment was not sold as the highest human attainment, and siddha doesn't mean (in trade mark friendly misspelling) perfection. I was criticizing the perfectionist standards of the movement which is a common psychological flaw in many self-help and spiritual groups. It is a mind F.. because humans never can reach perfection, even though Maharishi presented himself as if he embodied that ideal as did his teacher and all the way up the Holy Tradition to God himself. Trying to put the dysfunction of the movement's belief system on me, as if it was some revealing personal flaw is very imaginative. And you got my goat enough to respond to this characterization AGAIN, so I guess it still works for you. I haven't had a perfectionist standard running on myself since I left the movement and extracted it. I am comfortable being a flawed human who is not actualizing the goal of human life, the highest attainment gained only by saints of the past, the immortal, invincible, unmovable state of perfection known as enlightenment, and which is such a high attainment in this world that (according to Maharishi) it is the envy of the very angels themselves who lack the human nervous system. Yeah, all that perfectionist crap was not my invention.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: And no, I don't think he does it to fuck with me; I'm only one of the people he refrains from defending. His failure to defend Robin from your attacks are one of the most recent examples. Yes Robin seems so defenseless and incapable of addressing his own critics, it would really behoove me to swing my alpha male schlong into the mix and tell Barry he is being a meany to poor Robin. Then I will gather little Robin up in my arms, wipe away his tiny tears, and enroll him into a mixed martial arts academy where he will learn to defend himself. Law of the Jungle, eh? You really do not get it. Back in the day, did you ever consider joining the March on Washington? He does it in an attempt to avoid conflict with people he likes, even when they're clearly in the wrong. I like you Judy. How do you explain my enthusiasm for our conflicts? You may enjoy our conflicts, but I'm not and never was one of your buddies.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip Judy is fond of characterizing me as falsely positive and hiding some darkness at my core. I don't really get it. Perhaps you will be the first to articulate how wretched I really am inside. I mean all this blues in my life has got to mean something, BREAKING NEWS: We are ALL hiding some darkness at our core. Every last one of us. Some do a better job hiding it--from themselves as well as others--than others. In my perception, you're more resistant than most to the idea that you harbor any darkness, and as a result you tend to overcompensate. Yes we have heard this before. I'm gunna go with a no on this because I have some insider knowledge. And I'm gonna stay with a Yes, because I'm not convinced you know yourself quite as well as you think you do. I go back to this: I was being the goodest boy, I wanted to be in an unreproachable state. That was your description of yourself when you were in the movement, but I think you brought the basic tendency with you into the movement and took it with you when you left. You have misrepresented this since our earliest posts on AMT. I didn't misrepresent a thing. That's a direct quote from a newspaper interview with you. As if enlightenment was not sold as the highest human attainment, and siddha doesn't mean (in trade mark friendly misspelling) perfection. Where did I suggest otherwise? I was criticizing the perfectionist standards of the movement which is a common psychological flaw in many self-help and spiritual groups. It is a mind F.. because humans never can reach perfection, even though Maharishi presented himself as if he embodied that ideal as did his teacher and all the way up the Holy Tradition to God himself. Where did I suggest otherwise? Trying to put the dysfunction of the movement's belief system on me, as if it was some revealing personal flaw is very imaginative. Not. Read what I wrote again. I think the belief system appealed to you because you already had a perfectionist streak, and TM looked as if it were a way to reach that goal. You changed your mind about that, but you still have the perfectionist streak. You just frame it differently and use different means to try to achieve it. And you got my goat enough to respond to this characterization AGAIN, so I guess it still works for you. I haven't had a perfectionist standard running on myself since I left the movement and extracted it. I am comfortable being a flawed human Who is completely free of any residual resentments, unlike everybody else in the world. Guess you must have extracted those as well, right?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip WTF? Jim got this right. I genuinely thought Az was joking, still do. Maybe so, but az's usual toxic mean-spiritedness makes it hard to tell. Agreed. But the whole point was about dry humor so it fit. Fit what?? What does dry humor have to do with toxic mean-spiritedness? I made my case for how I saw it already. Not for what dry humor had to do with toxic meanspiritedness, you didn't. snip I don't care what anyone thinks of anyone else here. You know what would work better if you were trying to make this false case? If you didn't do it in the context of your defense of az to Jim. Your framing of a defense for Az is erroneous. I believed it was a misread by Jim and I could be wrong. It isn't a defense if the person misread the intention of a satire to point that out. If Az comes out with a follow-up that he really meant that stuff and I defended him somehow, that would be a defense. Well, that's a very creative distinction, but I'm not buying it. *Of course* it's a defense to suggest that someone misread somebody else's intentions. And of course it contradicts your claim that you don't care what anyone thinks of anyone else here. You cared enough about what Jim said about az to attempt to correct what you believed was his misimpression. No it doesn't. If Az and Jim hate each other, it is none of my business. I was clearing up what I believe is a miscommunication. And if it fit your agenda, you would see this obvious distinction. Has nothing to do with az and Jim hating each other. Has to do with your not wanting Jim to think az was being mean to him. Plus which, as I went on to point out, you've done the same thing regarding Barry and Vaj and Ruth: You've also defended Barry to me a number of times, and we had a whole thread in which you defended Vaj; and on one occasion awhile back you took me severely to task for what you perceived (incorrectly) to be an attack on Ruth. And those are just three examples. No comment from you. If you are making a case that I often see things the way people I seem to have more intellectual affinity with and therefor are more likely to see it their way, guilty as charged. We aren't talking about intellectual affinities here, we're talking about interpersonal behavior on FFL. Or I am, at any rate, although you're trying to move it into more easily defensible territory. snip I don't join feuds, I don't take tribal sides, and I wouldn't post something I didn't believe just because it supported someone I enjoy here against their feuding partner. Nobody's asking you to do that. You have in the past. Never, *ever* have I asked, nor would I ever ask, that you post anything you didn't believe, to or about anybody, for any reason. I'd like you to acknowledge this, please. Nor have I asked you to join feuds or take tribal sides. I'm talking about individual instances. Wow I can't imagine why you wouldn't have used those words when you asked me to pile on with your criticism of Barry... Which words? Join feuds and tribal sides? snip You claim it is my inferior ethical standard. Yes, double standards are generally considered inferior ethically speaking. Bingo! Right on schedule, let me set my Luminex watch. That was your characterization. *You* injected it, not me.
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Curtis, fwiw I don't hate az - barely know them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: OK, I'll chalk it up to a lack of social skills.:-) No, he is mean-spirited and toxic. az is one of Barry's chief defenders, so of course Curtis has to defend him. WTF? Jim got this right. I genuinely thought Az was joking, still do. Maybe so, but az's usual toxic mean-spiritedness makes it hard to tell. Agreed. But the whole point was about dry humor so it fit. Fit what?? What does dry humor have to do with toxic mean-spiritedness? I made my case for how I saw it already. az and Barry and Curtis and Vaj all stick together to defend each other from criticism and attack each other's critics; haven't you noticed? (Barry and az and Vaj do most of the attacking; Curtis mostly plays defense.) You know what would work better if you were trying to make this false case? If you didn't do it in the context of you and Jim whose positive interactions with me are both evidence that I do not act this way here. Well, it's not a false case, but please note (how did you miss it??) that I specifically exempted you from the attack component (check the parenthetical). I did catch that. I was objecting to the pack thing. Nice sidestep, but not convincing. Labeling the truth as a sidestep doesn't work outside your own mind. I don't care what anyone thinks of anyone else here. You know what would work better if you were trying to make this false case? If you didn't do it in the context of your defense of az to Jim. Your framing of a defense for Az is erroneous. I believed it was a misread by Jim and I could be wrong. It isn't a defense if the person misread the intention of a satire to point that out. If Az comes out with a follow-up that he really meant that stuff and I defended him somehow, that would be a defense. Well, that's a very creative distinction, but I'm not buying it. *Of course* it's a defense to suggest that someone misread somebody else's intentions. And of course it contradicts your claim that you don't care what anyone thinks of anyone else here. You cared enough about what Jim said about az to attempt to correct what you believed was his misimpression. No it doesn't. If Az and Jim hate each other, it is none of my business. I was clearing up what I believe is a miscommunication. And if it fit your agenda, you would see this obvious distinction. But I could be wrong. Maybe Az used the chance to get in some shots on Jim and Jim was reacting appropriately to the actual intent. I was just giving my opinion. Plus which, as I went on to point out, you've done the same thing regarding Barry and Vaj and Ruth: You've also defended Barry to me a number of times, and we had a whole thread in which you defended Vaj; and on one occasion awhile back you took me severely to task for what you perceived (incorrectly) to be an attack on Ruth. And those are just three examples. No comment from you. If you are making a case that I often see things the way people I seem to have more intellectual affinity with and therefor are more likely to see it their way, guilty as charged. And I am not imposing some kind of rule about when I will jump in here. But I have been pretty consistent staying out of your deal with Barry and am doing so with the Robin Barry deal. I can easily imagine defending Ruth because I had a lot of intellectual common ground with her. And it isn't defending Vaj to voice my opinion about his teacher's status. You are couching these interactions in the language of your feud perspective. We are all choosing the interactions we want with each other. Everyone is sleeping in the bed they made themselves here. Yup. I'm just describing the bed you've made for yourself, which involves defending certain of your buddies from criticism, but never defending the folks those buddies attack. (Makes it a little awkward when one of the buddies you normally defend attacks one of your more recently established buddies.) No it doesn't. Robin is doing fine defending himself and my parodies are working just fine in conveying my POV on it all. How Robin
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Robin (and Curtis)--ain't no way I'm getting in the middle of this (unless one or the other of you says something egregiously inaccurate about me, which hasn't happened so far). I'm staying glued to my seat in the house, enthralled; not gonna spoil the show by joining you on stage. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: I'll run this straight till your reveal of the theater aspect.
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Ah, finally an antidote to all the sucking up, fawning, and drama queenery lately. Any sentence of this classic rant is more worth reading than all posts made by the Gladys Knight and the Pips symbiote in total. I was starting to consider dropping out of the forum because there was nothing worth reading on it, but you have saved the day. At least *this* day. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote: Dear Jim, May I call you Jim? Perhaps you prefer Sandi-ego? I've always found it curious how you pseudo-enlightened guys are funny about swinging that way with names. Prolly because y'all are so easily ignored. I mean, jeez, a guy has to really pay attention or that Raving Yogi guy seems to not even exist. He is as desperate as a hamster in a room full of homosexuals armed with pvc pipe and duct tape. Jim, as you well know, I am never one to engage in an ad hominem attack. This recent post of yours is but the latest example of how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated- rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps you are some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. Do you even know what dry means you rump spanking moose knuckle? It might be neat if you shut your felch tasting beak, you twatwaffle, since you clearly have been abused more than Adam Lambert's uvula. Your puerile post indicates you are a smarmy lager lout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oink artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill. And to top it all I have decided I dont like you very much. You have the social skills of a concussed bumblebee. Your Friend, Azgrey --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I was thinking about this electronic mind space we call FFL, and decided I would write down my impressions of everyone on here, taken from the most recent posting count (the numbers next to each name are their last cumulative posts). I didn't do any further research on anyone, just put the names into Word and started writing. Here's what I came up with: 45 Yifu - your picture postings are prolific enough that I don't look at all of them, though the choices I have seen are always provocative and sometimes spectacular. 34 Bhairitu you seem like a mellow guy, techie too, and media guru. 31 turquoiseb- always taking the opposite slant, excellent writer, I enjoy your stuff most when you are doing a snapshot of your interesting surroundings. Just my preference. 30 whynotnow7- what can I say? Its me. 29 authfriend- I enjoy your writing immensely Judy. Always a lighthouse of consistency. And some of your stuff is downright hilarious! 24 Ravi Yogi- The Mad Yogi I know you are eminently sane though you put on a very entertaining act for us all, bruvva. 19 seventhray1- despite your infamous buffet incident, you have the driest humor here. Arizona. I like it , though leaves me parched sometimes. 19 cardemaister- word master from way up near the artic circle. I often read your stuff and enjoy the vibrations both Finnish and Sanskrit. You have posted some great musical vids too. 18 Buck- You are all heart Iowa farmer to me, with a devotional streak a mile wide. God bless you. 17 obbajeeba- wtf? Right brain all the way! Highly puzzling sometimes and other times, straight into the heart. Bulzeye. 16 Mark Landau- Sincere deep guy trying his damnedest to sell a pair of shoes.:-) 15 maskedzebra A thicket of flowers, and it all grows and changes so fast. Kind of a psychedelic writing, though coherent too. An instant addition to the cyber thought parade. 15 Denise Evans- An admirable addition to the mindshare. 14 nablusoss1008- the aurora borealis. 14 John- sorry, not
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote: RESPONSE: A beautiful post from a beautiful person. I loved it. Thanks, azgrey. I hope this does whynotnow some good. I feel sure it will. I feel embarrassed that I complimented whynotnow on his post. I take back everything I said there and join you in your celebration of whynotnow's awfulness. By the way, do you eat babies for breakfast? Or do you only eat the eyes? There's obviously lots of love to go around here at FFL. I wrote this to get on your good side, azgrey. Your post put me in the mind of one of those suicide bombersor Sunny beheaders. Only obviously with brains. I've always believed it: Just be happy. Were you hoping for the Rangers or something? Dear Jim, May I call you Jim? Perhaps you prefer Sandi-ego? I've always found it curious how you pseudo-enlightened guys are funny about swinging that way with names. Prolly because y'all are so easily ignored. I mean, jeez, a guy has to really pay attention or that Raving Yogi guy seems to not even exist. He is as desperate as a hamster in a room full of homosexuals armed with pvc pipe and duct tape. Jim, as you well know, I am never one to engage in an ad hominem attack. This recent post of yours is but the latest example of how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated- rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps you are some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. Do you even know what dry means you rump spanking moose knuckle? It might be neat if you shut your felch tasting beak, you twatwaffle, since you clearly have been abused more than Adam Lambert's uvula. Your puerile post indicates you are a smarmy lager lout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oink artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill. And to top it all I have decided I dont like you very much. You have the social skills of a concussed bumblebee. Your Friend, Azgrey --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I was thinking about this electronic mind space we call FFL, and decided I would write down my impressions of everyone on here, taken from the most recent posting count (the numbers next to each name are their last cumulative posts). I didn't do any further research on anyone, just put the names into Word and started writing. Here's what I came up with: 45 Yifu - your picture postings are prolific enough that I don't look at all of them, though the choices I have seen are always provocative and sometimes spectacular. 34 Bhairitu you seem like a mellow guy, techie too, and media guru. 31 turquoiseb- always taking the opposite slant, excellent writer, I enjoy your stuff most when you are doing a snapshot of your interesting surroundings. Just my preference. 30 whynotnow7- what can I say? Its me. 29 authfriend- I enjoy your writing immensely Judy. Always a lighthouse of consistency. And some of your stuff is downright hilarious! 24 Ravi Yogi- The Mad Yogi I know you are eminently sane though you put on a very entertaining act for us all, bruvva. 19 seventhray1- despite your infamous buffet incident, you have the driest humor here. Arizona. I like it , though leaves me parched sometimes. 19 cardemaister- word master from way up near the artic circle. I often read your stuff and enjoy the vibrations both Finnish and Sanskrit. You have posted some great musical vids too. 18 Buck- You are all heart Iowa farmer to me, with a devotional streak a mile wide. God bless you. 17 obbajeeba- wtf? Right brain all the way! Highly puzzling sometimes and other times, straight into the heart. Bulzeye. 16 Mark Landau- Sincere deep guy trying his damnedest to sell a pair of shoes.:-) 15 maskedzebra
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote: Dear Jim, May I call you Jim? Perhaps you prefer Sandi-ego? I've always found it curious how you pseudo-enlightened guys are funny about swinging that way with names. Prolly because y'all are so easily ignored. I mean, jeez, a guy has to really pay attention or that Raving Yogi guy seems to not even exist. He is as desperate as a hamster in a room full of homosexuals armed with pvc pipe and duct tape. Dear Bhakta Bitch (Dum)Bazgrey - most of your post sucked but I really enjoyed enjoyed your insults that referred to me. It was fucking hilarious :-), I'm really pleased, but totally disappointed that you didn't address me directly :-( I want you bitches to be more independent - I know it's not easy for you but it's completely OK to praise me directly. You know that I like the tamasic offerings, I get high on them, much more when they are directly offered to me. OK Baz?
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My, what a mean spirited, toxic little person you are. I'll continue to hang out with the normal people, if you don't mind... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote: Dear Jim, May I call you Jim? Perhaps you prefer Sandi-ego? I've always found it curious how you pseudo-enlightened guys are funny about swinging that way with names. Prolly because y'all are so easily ignored. I mean, jeez, a guy has to really pay attention or that Raving Yogi guy seems to not even exist. He is as desperate as a hamster in a room full of homosexuals armed with pvc pipe and duct tape. Jim, as you well know, I am never one to engage in an ad hominem attack. This recent post of yours is but the latest example of how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated- rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps you are some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. Do you even know what dry means you rump spanking moose knuckle? It might be neat if you shut your felch tasting beak, you twatwaffle, since you clearly have been abused more than Adam Lambert's uvula. Your puerile post indicates you are a smarmy lager lout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oink artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill. And to top it all I have decided I dont like you very much. You have the social skills of a concussed bumblebee. Your Friend, Azgrey --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I was thinking about this electronic mind space we call FFL, and decided I would write down my impressions of everyone on here, taken from the most recent posting count (the numbers next to each name are their last cumulative posts). I didn't do any further research on anyone, just put the names into Word and started writing. Here's what I came up with: 45 Yifu - your picture postings are prolific enough that I don't look at all of them, though the choices I have seen are always provocative and sometimes spectacular. 34 Bhairitu you seem like a mellow guy, techie too, and media guru. 31 turquoiseb- always taking the opposite slant, excellent writer, I enjoy your stuff most when you are doing a snapshot of your interesting surroundings. Just my preference. 30 whynotnow7- what can I say? Its me. 29 authfriend- I enjoy your writing immensely Judy. Always a lighthouse of consistency. And some of your stuff is downright hilarious! 24 Ravi Yogi- The Mad Yogi I know you are eminently sane though you put on a very entertaining act for us all, bruvva. 19 seventhray1- despite your infamous buffet incident, you have the driest humor here. Arizona. I like it , though leaves me parched sometimes. 19 cardemaister- word master from way up near the artic circle. I often read your stuff and enjoy the vibrations both Finnish and Sanskrit. You have posted some great musical vids too. 18 Buck- You are all heart Iowa farmer to me, with a devotional streak a mile wide. God bless you. 17 obbajeeba- wtf? Right brain all the way! Highly puzzling sometimes and other times, straight into the heart. Bulzeye. 16 Mark Landau- Sincere deep guy trying his damnedest to sell a pair of shoes.:-) 15 maskedzebra A thicket of flowers, and it all grows and changes so fast. Kind of a psychedelic writing, though coherent too. An instant addition to the cyber thought parade. 15 Denise Evans- An admirable addition to the mindshare. 14 nablusoss1008- the aurora borealis. 14 John- sorry, not sure which John this is. 13 wgm4u- TM is not a religion, but religion helps. Can't argue with that. 13 richardwillytexwilliams- you seem like a good guy from what I can tell.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: My, what a mean spirited, toxic little person you are. I'll continue to hang out with the normal people, if you don't mind... IMO you gave yourself the clue to the intent: 1 azgrey- second driest wit on here, next to seventhray. Second clue: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote: Jim, as you well know, I am never one to engage in an ad hominem attack. Seems to me that he just took the premise and ran the riff on out. Dear Jim, May I call you Jim? Perhaps you prefer Sandi-ego? I've always found it curious how you pseudo-enlightened guys are funny about swinging that way with names. Prolly because y'all are so easily ignored. I mean, jeez, a guy has to really pay attention or that Raving Yogi guy seems to not even exist. He is as desperate as a hamster in a room full of homosexuals armed with pvc pipe and duct tape. Jim, as you well know, I am never one to engage in an ad hominem attack. This recent post of yours is but the latest example of how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated- rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps you are some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. Do you even know what dry means you rump spanking moose knuckle? It might be neat if you shut your felch tasting beak, you twatwaffle, since you clearly have been abused more than Adam Lambert's uvula. Your puerile post indicates you are a smarmy lager lout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oink artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill. And to top it all I have decided I dont like you very much. You have the social skills of a concussed bumblebee. Your Friend, Azgrey --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I was thinking about this electronic mind space we call FFL, and decided I would write down my impressions of everyone on here, taken from the most recent posting count (the numbers next to each name are their last cumulative posts). I didn't do any further research on anyone, just put the names into Word and started writing. Here's what I came up with: 45 Yifu - your picture postings are prolific enough that I don't look at all of them, though the choices I have seen are always provocative and sometimes spectacular. 34 Bhairitu you seem like a mellow guy, techie too, and media guru. 31 turquoiseb- always taking the opposite slant, excellent writer, I enjoy your stuff most when you are doing a snapshot of your interesting surroundings. Just my preference. 30 whynotnow7- what can I say? Its me. 29 authfriend- I enjoy your writing immensely Judy. Always a lighthouse of consistency. And some of your stuff is downright hilarious! 24 Ravi Yogi- The Mad Yogi I know you are eminently sane though you put on a very entertaining act for us all, bruvva. 19 seventhray1- despite your infamous buffet incident, you have the driest humor here. Arizona. I like it , though leaves me parched sometimes. 19 cardemaister- word master from way up near the artic circle. I often read your stuff and enjoy the vibrations both Finnish and Sanskrit. You have posted some great musical vids too. 18 Buck- You are all heart Iowa farmer to me, with a devotional streak a mile wide. God bless you. 17 obbajeeba- wtf? Right brain all the way! Highly puzzling sometimes and other times, straight into the heart. Bulzeye. 16 Mark Landau- Sincere deep guy trying his damnedest to sell a pair of shoes.:-) 15 maskedzebra A thicket of flowers, and it all grows and changes so fast. Kind of a psychedelic writing, though coherent
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OK, I'll chalk it up to a lack of social skills.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: My, what a mean spirited, toxic little person you are. I'll continue to hang out with the normal people, if you don't mind... IMO you gave yourself the clue to the intent: 1 azgrey- second driest wit on here, next to seventhray. Second clue: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote: Jim, as you well know, I am never one to engage in an ad hominem attack. Seems to me that he just took the premise and ran the riff on out. Dear Jim, May I call you Jim? Perhaps you prefer Sandi-ego? I've always found it curious how you pseudo-enlightened guys are funny about swinging that way with names. Prolly because y'all are so easily ignored. I mean, jeez, a guy has to really pay attention or that Raving Yogi guy seems to not even exist. He is as desperate as a hamster in a room full of homosexuals armed with pvc pipe and duct tape. Jim, as you well know, I am never one to engage in an ad hominem attack. This recent post of yours is but the latest example of how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated- rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps you are some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. Do you even know what dry means you rump spanking moose knuckle? It might be neat if you shut your felch tasting beak, you twatwaffle, since you clearly have been abused more than Adam Lambert's uvula. Your puerile post indicates you are a smarmy lager lout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oink artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill. And to top it all I have decided I dont like you very much. You have the social skills of a concussed bumblebee. Your Friend, Azgrey --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I was thinking about this electronic mind space we call FFL, and decided I would write down my impressions of everyone on here, taken from the most recent posting count (the numbers next to each name are their last cumulative posts). I didn't do any further research on anyone, just put the names into Word and started writing. Here's what I came up with: 45 Yifu - your picture postings are prolific enough that I don't look at all of them, though the choices I have seen are always provocative and sometimes spectacular. 34 Bhairitu you seem like a mellow guy, techie too, and media guru. 31 turquoiseb- always taking the opposite slant, excellent writer, I enjoy your stuff most when you are doing a snapshot of your interesting surroundings. Just my preference. 30 whynotnow7- what can I say? Its me. 29 authfriend- I enjoy your writing immensely Judy. Always a lighthouse of consistency. And some of your stuff is downright hilarious! 24 Ravi Yogi- The Mad Yogi I know you are eminently sane though you put on a very entertaining act for us all, bruvva. 19 seventhray1- despite your infamous buffet incident, you have the driest humor here. Arizona. I like it , though leaves me parched sometimes. 19 cardemaister- word master from way up near the artic circle. I often read your stuff and enjoy the vibrations both Finnish and Sanskrit. You have posted some great musical vids too. 18 Buck- You are all heart Iowa farmer to me, with a devotional streak a mile wide. God bless you. 17 obbajeeba- wtf? Right brain all the way! Highly puzzling sometimes and other times, straight into the heart.
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And you wonder why I described your heart as shriveled? How old are you anyway, kiddo? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Ah, finally an antidote to all the sucking up, fawning, and drama queenery lately. Any sentence of this classic rant is more worth reading than all posts made by the Gladys Knight and the Pips symbiote in total. I was starting to consider dropping out of the forum because there was nothing worth reading on it, but you have saved the day. At least *this* day. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote: Dear Jim, May I call you Jim? Perhaps you prefer Sandi-ego? I've always found it curious how you pseudo-enlightened guys are funny about swinging that way with names. Prolly because y'all are so easily ignored. I mean, jeez, a guy has to really pay attention or that Raving Yogi guy seems to not even exist. He is as desperate as a hamster in a room full of homosexuals armed with pvc pipe and duct tape. Jim, as you well know, I am never one to engage in an ad hominem attack. This recent post of yours is but the latest example of how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated- rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps you are some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. Do you even know what dry means you rump spanking moose knuckle? It might be neat if you shut your felch tasting beak, you twatwaffle, since you clearly have been abused more than Adam Lambert's uvula. Your puerile post indicates you are a smarmy lager lout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oink artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill. And to top it all I have decided I dont like you very much. You have the social skills of a concussed bumblebee. Your Friend, Azgrey --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I was thinking about this electronic mind space we call FFL, and decided I would write down my impressions of everyone on here, taken from the most recent posting count (the numbers next to each name are their last cumulative posts). I didn't do any further research on anyone, just put the names into Word and started writing. Here's what I came up with: 45 Yifu - your picture postings are prolific enough that I don't look at all of them, though the choices I have seen are always provocative and sometimes spectacular. 34 Bhairitu you seem like a mellow guy, techie too, and media guru. 31 turquoiseb- always taking the opposite slant, excellent writer, I enjoy your stuff most when you are doing a snapshot of your interesting surroundings. Just my preference. 30 whynotnow7- what can I say? Its me. 29 authfriend- I enjoy your writing immensely Judy. Always a lighthouse of consistency. And some of your stuff is downright hilarious! 24 Ravi Yogi- The Mad Yogi I know you are eminently sane though you put on a very entertaining act for us all, bruvva. 19 seventhray1- despite your infamous buffet incident, you have the driest humor here. Arizona. I like it , though leaves me parched sometimes. 19 cardemaister- word master from way up near the artic circle. I often read your stuff and enjoy the vibrations both Finnish and Sanskrit. You have posted some great musical vids too. 18 Buck- You are all heart Iowa farmer to me, with a devotional streak a mile wide. God bless you. 17 obbajeeba- wtf? Right brain all the way! Highly puzzling sometimes and other times, straight into the heart. Bulzeye. 16 Mark Landau- Sincere deep guy trying his damnedest to sell a pair of shoes.:-) 15 maskedzebra A thicket of flowers, and it all grows and changes so fast. Kind of
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: And you wonder why I described your heart as shriveled? How old are you anyway, kiddo? Poor guy has been really, really miserable the last few days. Something double-plus-ungood must have happened in his life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Ah, finally an antidote to all the sucking up, fawning, and drama queenery lately. Any sentence of this classic rant is more worth reading than all posts made by the Gladys Knight and the Pips symbiote in total. I was starting to consider dropping out of the forum because there was nothing worth reading on it, but you have saved the day. At least *this* day. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
I think it was Bob price's apology to you, and the ongoing RC/Curtis dialogues. Alienates Barry and pisses him off to no end. My two cents. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: And you wonder why I described your heart as shriveled? How old are you anyway, kiddo? Poor guy has been really, really miserable the last few days. Something double-plus-ungood must have happened in his life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Ah, finally an antidote to all the sucking up, fawning, and drama queenery lately. Any sentence of this classic rant is more worth reading than all posts made by the Gladys Knight and the Pips symbiote in total. I was starting to consider dropping out of the forum because there was nothing worth reading on it, but you have saved the day. At least *this* day. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: I think it was Bob price's apology to you, and the ongoing RC/Curtis dialogues. Alienates Barry and pisses him off to no end. My two cents. Maybe so. He's never dealt well with alpha males (or alpha females, for that matter). He was able to forge a sort of nonaggression pact with Curtis, but once Robin and Bob were added to the mix he was sunk, especially when they started forming alliances with each other. And then when none of them outright reject me, it's more than he can stand. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: And you wonder why I described your heart as shriveled? How old are you anyway, kiddo? Poor guy has been really, really miserable the last few days. Something double-plus-ungood must have happened in his life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Ah, finally an antidote to all the sucking up, fawning, and drama queenery lately. Any sentence of this classic rant is more worth reading than all posts made by the Gladys Knight and the Pips symbiote in total. I was starting to consider dropping out of the forum because there was nothing worth reading on it, but you have saved the day. At least *this* day. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
He is sometimes a lot more fun to watch than the TV shows he reviews. Can't say I'd miss him if he left, but as long as he's here, its a good slapstick routine; the clueless guy who is convinced he is always a step ahead. As my Mexican ex-mother-in-law used to say about fools (translated): By the time you see me coming, I am already on my way back. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I think it was Bob price's apology to you, and the ongoing RC/Curtis dialogues. Alienates Barry and pisses him off to no end. My two cents. Maybe so. He's never dealt well with alpha males (or alpha females, for that matter). He was able to forge a sort of nonaggression pact with Curtis, but once Robin and Bob were added to the mix he was sunk, especially when they started forming alliances with each other. And then when none of them outright reject me, it's more than he can stand. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: And you wonder why I described your heart as shriveled? How old are you anyway, kiddo? Poor guy has been really, really miserable the last few days. Something double-plus-ungood must have happened in his life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Ah, finally an antidote to all the sucking up, fawning, and drama queenery lately. Any sentence of this classic rant is more worth reading than all posts made by the Gladys Knight and the Pips symbiote in total. I was starting to consider dropping out of the forum because there was nothing worth reading on it, but you have saved the day. At least *this* day. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzXKWKaxt3c http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzXKWKaxt3c --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: OK, I'll chalk it up to a lack of social skills.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: My, what a mean spirited, toxic little person you are. I'll continue to hang out with the normal people, if you don't mind... IMO you gave yourself the clue to the intent: 1 azgrey- second driest wit on here, next to seventhray. Second clue: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote: Jim, as you well know, I am never one to engage in an ad hominem attack. Seems to me that he just took the premise and ran the riff on out. Dear Jim, May I call you Jim? Perhaps you prefer Sandi-ego? I've always found it curious how you pseudo-enlightened guys are funny about swinging that way with names. Prolly because y'all are so easily ignored. I mean, jeez, a guy has to really pay attention or that Raving Yogi guy seems to not even exist. He is as desperate as a hamster in a room full of homosexuals armed with pvc pipe and duct tape. Jim, as you well know, I am never one to engage in an ad hominem attack. This recent post of yours is but the latest example of how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated- rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps you are some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. Do you even know what dry means you rump spanking moose knuckle? It might be neat if you shut your felch tasting beak, you twatwaffle, since you clearly have been abused more than Adam Lambert's uvula. Your puerile post indicates you are a smarmy lager lout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oink artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill. And to top it all I have decided I dont like you very much. You have the social skills of a concussed bumblebee. Your Friend, Azgrey --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I was thinking about this electronic mind space we call FFL, and decided I would write down my impressions of everyone on here, taken from the most recent posting count (the numbers next to each name are their last cumulative posts). I didn't do any further research on anyone, just put the names into Word and started writing. Here's what I came up with: 45 Yifu - your picture postings are prolific enough that I don't look at all of them, though the choices I have seen are always provocative and sometimes spectacular. 34 Bhairitu you seem like a mellow guy, techie too, and media guru. 31 turquoiseb- always taking the opposite slant, excellent writer, I enjoy your stuff most when you are doing a snapshot of your interesting surroundings. Just my preference. 30 whynotnow7- what can I say? Its me. 29 authfriend- I enjoy your writing immensely Judy. Always a lighthouse of consistency. And some of your stuff is downright hilarious! 24 Ravi Yogi- The Mad Yogi I know you are eminently sane though you put on a very entertaining act for us all, bruvva. 19 seventhray1- despite your infamous buffet incident, you have the driest humor here. Arizona. I like it , though leaves me parched sometimes. 19 cardemaister- word master from way up near the artic circle. I often read your stuff and enjoy the vibrations both Finnish and Sanskrit. You have posted some great musical vids too. 18 Buck- You are all heart Iowa farmer to me, with a devotional streak a mile wide. God bless you. 17 obbajeeba- wtf? Right brain all the way! Highly puzzling sometimes and other times, straight into the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
...corrected translation: By the time they see me coming, I am already on my way back. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: He is sometimes a lot more fun to watch than the TV shows he reviews. Can't say I'd miss him if he left, but as long as he's here, its a good slapstick routine; the clueless guy who is convinced he is always a step ahead. As my Mexican ex-mother-in-law used to say about fools (translated): By the time you see me coming, I am already on my way back. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I think it was Bob price's apology to you, and the ongoing RC/Curtis dialogues. Alienates Barry and pisses him off to no end. My two cents. Maybe so. He's never dealt well with alpha males (or alpha females, for that matter). He was able to forge a sort of nonaggression pact with Curtis, but once Robin and Bob were added to the mix he was sunk, especially when they started forming alliances with each other. And then when none of them outright reject me, it's more than he can stand. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: And you wonder why I described your heart as shriveled? How old are you anyway, kiddo? Poor guy has been really, really miserable the last few days. Something double-plus-ungood must have happened in his life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Ah, finally an antidote to all the sucking up, fawning, and drama queenery lately. Any sentence of this classic rant is more worth reading than all posts made by the Gladys Knight and the Pips symbiote in total. I was starting to consider dropping out of the forum because there was nothing worth reading on it, but you have saved the day. At least *this* day. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: OK, I'll chalk it up to a lack of social skills.:-) No, he is mean-spirited and toxic. az is one of Barry's chief defenders, so of course Curtis has to defend him. az and Barry and Curtis and Vaj all stick together to defend each other from criticism and attack each other's critics; haven't you noticed? (Barry and az and Vaj do most of the attacking; Curtis mostly plays defense.) az's string of insults isn't even original; he cribbed it from something that's been around on the Internet forever. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: My, what a mean spirited, toxic little person you are. I'll continue to hang out with the normal people, if you don't mind... IMO you gave yourself the clue to the intent: 1 azgrey- second driest wit on here, next to seventhray. Second clue: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote: Jim, as you well know, I am never one to engage in an ad hominem attack. Seems to me that he just took the premise and ran the riff on out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
Hi, I don't see Curtis as having a dog in this fight - as for the other three, Hazy Grey, Cherry, and Haj, they are usually as fun as a barrel of monkeys, once you forget to take them seriously, that is. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: OK, I'll chalk it up to a lack of social skills.:-) No, he is mean-spirited and toxic. az is one of Barry's chief defenders, so of course Curtis has to defend him. az and Barry and Curtis and Vaj all stick together to defend each other from criticism and attack each other's critics; haven't you noticed? (Barry and az and Vaj do most of the attacking; Curtis mostly plays defense.) az's string of insults isn't even original; he cribbed it from something that's been around on the Internet forever. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: My, what a mean spirited, toxic little person you are. I'll continue to hang out with the normal people, if you don't mind... IMO you gave yourself the clue to the intent: 1 azgrey- second driest wit on here, next to seventhray. Second clue: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote: Jim, as you well know, I am never one to engage in an ad hominem attack. Seems to me that he just took the premise and ran the riff on out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
Very nice perception of your FFL mind. How many voices are you actually hearing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-WAjKyHecs You may be correct with the wtf thing. Also, the right brain captured this: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/weird/the-right-brain-vs-left-brain/story-e6frev20-114577583 and then she danced backwards afterwards, then switched back again and again and she couldn't make up her mind. The heart, yes, thank you. From the heart. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: I was thinking about this electronic mind space we call FFL, and decided I would write down my impressions of everyone on here, taken from the most recent posting count (the numbers next to each name are their last cumulative posts). I didn't do any further research on anyone, just put the names into Word and started writing. Here's what I came up with: 45 Yifu - your picture postings are prolific enough that I don't look at all of them, though the choices I have seen are always provocative and sometimes spectacular. 34 Bhairitu you seem like a mellow guy, techie too, and media guru. 31 turquoiseb- always taking the opposite slant, excellent writer, I enjoy your stuff most when you are doing a snapshot of your interesting surroundings. Just my preference. 30 whynotnow7- what can I say? Its me. 29 authfriend- I enjoy your writing immensely Judy. Always a lighthouse of consistency. And some of your stuff is downright hilarious! 24 Ravi Yogi- The Mad Yogi I know you are eminently sane though you put on a very entertaining act for us all, bruvva. 19 seventhray1- despite your infamous buffet incident, you have the driest humor here. Arizona. I like it , though leaves me parched sometimes. 19 cardemaister- word master from way up near the artic circle. I often read your stuff and enjoy the vibrations both Finnish and Sanskrit. You have posted some great musical vids too. 18 Buck- You are all heart Iowa farmer to me, with a devotional streak a mile wide. God bless you. 17 obbajeeba- wtf? Right brain all the way! Highly puzzling sometimes and other times, straight into the heart. Bulzeye. 16 Mark Landau- Sincere deep guy trying his damnedest to sell a pair of shoes.:-) 15 maskedzebra A thicket of flowers, and it all grows and changes so fast. Kind of a psychedelic writing, though coherent too. An instant addition to the cyber thought parade. 15 Denise Evans- An admirable addition to the mindshare. 14 nablusoss1008- the aurora borealis. 14 John- sorry, not sure which John this is. 13 wgm4u- TM is not a religion, but religion helps. Can't argue with that. 13 richardwillytexwilliams- you seem like a good guy from what I can tell. 10 Bob Price- Hey Bob I hope you are having a good year. You strike as extremely quick minded, with a full life. 9 curtisdeltablues- You are someone to grab a Thai ice tea or a shot of Navan with, and yack up a storm. 9 Xenophaneros Anartaxius Keen mind you obviously enjoy describing models of reality, and I sometimes enjoy walking around inside of them. 7 Tom Pall- straight up. You are like a shot of silver tequila, lemon and salt. 7 Rick Archer- Hi, you are the only one on here who I have actually met in person, in 1978, Livingston Manor, NY. Last snow was in May. First snow was in July. I did see the Northern Lights a number of times up there. 5 Vaj who knows? Its all about religion with you. 5 Sal Sunshine- Less is more. A spare and lively presence here. 4 merudanda keep confusing you with obbajeeba. 3 stevelf- who? 3 pranamoocher- probably the best cyberhandle on here. 3 martyboi - 3 Duveyoung the guy who rides the weird tricycle thing, somehow related in your writing to maskedzebra in the intensity and depth. 2 emptybill- the clearest name and form on here. I can hear the winds blowing through your open soul. 2 Richard Mays- TMO ad guy. Thank you for the free subscription! 2 Alex Stanley- seems like you are having fun. 1 shukra69- devotion. 1 seekliberation- 1 raunchydog always like your postings. Well written and clear, to the point. Light and decisive at the same time. 1 merlin- Is it the old fellow who comes on here ranting and raving? 1 johnt unfortunately I don't know which john you are. 1 gullible fool a gentle soul. 1 eustace10679- h 1 azgrey- second driest wit on here, next to seventhray. 1 Susananother clear and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
Very nice perception of your FFL mind. How many voices are you actually hearing? Usually more, but three of them are asleep now...s... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Very nice perception of your FFL mind. How many voices are you actually hearing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-WAjKyHecs You may be correct with the wtf thing. Also, the right brain captured this: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/weird/the-right-brain-vs-left-brain/story-e6frev20-114577583 and then she danced backwards afterwards, then switched back again and again and she couldn't make up her mind. The heart, yes, thank you. From the heart. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I was thinking about this electronic mind space we call FFL, and decided I would write down my impressions of everyone on here, taken from the most recent posting count (the numbers next to each name are their last cumulative posts). I didn't do any further research on anyone, just put the names into Word and started writing. Here's what I came up with: 45 Yifu - your picture postings are prolific enough that I don't look at all of them, though the choices I have seen are always provocative and sometimes spectacular. 34 Bhairitu you seem like a mellow guy, techie too, and media guru. 31 turquoiseb- always taking the opposite slant, excellent writer, I enjoy your stuff most when you are doing a snapshot of your interesting surroundings. Just my preference. 30 whynotnow7- what can I say? Its me. 29 authfriend- I enjoy your writing immensely Judy. Always a lighthouse of consistency. And some of your stuff is downright hilarious! 24 Ravi Yogi- The Mad Yogi I know you are eminently sane though you put on a very entertaining act for us all, bruvva. 19 seventhray1- despite your infamous buffet incident, you have the driest humor here. Arizona. I like it , though leaves me parched sometimes. 19 cardemaister- word master from way up near the artic circle. I often read your stuff and enjoy the vibrations both Finnish and Sanskrit. You have posted some great musical vids too. 18 Buck- You are all heart Iowa farmer to me, with a devotional streak a mile wide. God bless you. 17 obbajeeba- wtf? Right brain all the way! Highly puzzling sometimes and other times, straight into the heart. Bulzeye. 16 Mark Landau- Sincere deep guy trying his damnedest to sell a pair of shoes.:-) 15 maskedzebra A thicket of flowers, and it all grows and changes so fast. Kind of a psychedelic writing, though coherent too. An instant addition to the cyber thought parade. 15 Denise Evans- An admirable addition to the mindshare. 14 nablusoss1008- the aurora borealis. 14 John- sorry, not sure which John this is. 13 wgm4u- TM is not a religion, but religion helps. Can't argue with that. 13 richardwillytexwilliams- you seem like a good guy from what I can tell. 10 Bob Price- Hey Bob I hope you are having a good year. You strike as extremely quick minded, with a full life. 9 curtisdeltablues- You are someone to grab a Thai ice tea or a shot of Navan with, and yack up a storm. 9 Xenophaneros Anartaxius Keen mind you obviously enjoy describing models of reality, and I sometimes enjoy walking around inside of them. 7 Tom Pall- straight up. You are like a shot of silver tequila, lemon and salt. 7 Rick Archer- Hi, you are the only one on here who I have actually met in person, in 1978, Livingston Manor, NY. Last snow was in May. First snow was in July. I did see the Northern Lights a number of times up there. 5 Vaj who knows? Its all about religion with you. 5 Sal Sunshine- Less is more. A spare and lively presence here. 4 merudanda keep confusing you with obbajeeba. 3 stevelf- who? 3 pranamoocher- probably the best cyberhandle on here. 3 martyboi - 3 Duveyoung the guy who rides the weird tricycle thing, somehow related in your writing to maskedzebra in the intensity and depth. 2 emptybill- the clearest name and form on here. I can hear the winds blowing through your open soul. 2 Richard Mays- TMO ad guy. Thank you for the free subscription! 2 Alex Stanley- seems like you are having fun. 1 shukra69- devotion. 1 seekliberation- 1 raunchydog always like your postings. Well written and clear, to the point. Light and decisive at the same time. 1 merlin-
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
Thank you for posting the dancer. She danced counter-clockwise at first, but then I was looking at the bottom half of the image, and she began dancing clockwise and continued that way, and then began switching back and forth, though I couldn't detect the actual switch point. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Very nice perception of your FFL mind. How many voices are you actually hearing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-WAjKyHecs You may be correct with the wtf thing. Also, the right brain captured this: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/weird/the-right-brain-vs-left-brain/story-e6frev20-114577583 and then she danced backwards afterwards, then switched back again and again and she couldn't make up her mind. The heart, yes, thank you. From the heart. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I was thinking about this electronic mind space we call FFL, and decided I would write down my impressions of everyone on here, taken from the most recent posting count (the numbers next to each name are their last cumulative posts). I didn't do any further research on anyone, just put the names into Word and started writing. Here's what I came up with: 45 Yifu - your picture postings are prolific enough that I don't look at all of them, though the choices I have seen are always provocative and sometimes spectacular. 34 Bhairitu you seem like a mellow guy, techie too, and media guru. 31 turquoiseb- always taking the opposite slant, excellent writer, I enjoy your stuff most when you are doing a snapshot of your interesting surroundings. Just my preference. 30 whynotnow7- what can I say? Its me. 29 authfriend- I enjoy your writing immensely Judy. Always a lighthouse of consistency. And some of your stuff is downright hilarious! 24 Ravi Yogi- The Mad Yogi I know you are eminently sane though you put on a very entertaining act for us all, bruvva. 19 seventhray1- despite your infamous buffet incident, you have the driest humor here. Arizona. I like it , though leaves me parched sometimes. 19 cardemaister- word master from way up near the artic circle. I often read your stuff and enjoy the vibrations both Finnish and Sanskrit. You have posted some great musical vids too. 18 Buck- You are all heart Iowa farmer to me, with a devotional streak a mile wide. God bless you. 17 obbajeeba- wtf? Right brain all the way! Highly puzzling sometimes and other times, straight into the heart. Bulzeye. 16 Mark Landau- Sincere deep guy trying his damnedest to sell a pair of shoes.:-) 15 maskedzebra A thicket of flowers, and it all grows and changes so fast. Kind of a psychedelic writing, though coherent too. An instant addition to the cyber thought parade. 15 Denise Evans- An admirable addition to the mindshare. 14 nablusoss1008- the aurora borealis. 14 John- sorry, not sure which John this is. 13 wgm4u- TM is not a religion, but religion helps. Can't argue with that. 13 richardwillytexwilliams- you seem like a good guy from what I can tell. 10 Bob Price- Hey Bob I hope you are having a good year. You strike as extremely quick minded, with a full life. 9 curtisdeltablues- You are someone to grab a Thai ice tea or a shot of Navan with, and yack up a storm. 9 Xenophaneros Anartaxius Keen mind you obviously enjoy describing models of reality, and I sometimes enjoy walking around inside of them. 7 Tom Pall- straight up. You are like a shot of silver tequila, lemon and salt. 7 Rick Archer- Hi, you are the only one on here who I have actually met in person, in 1978, Livingston Manor, NY. Last snow was in May. First snow was in July. I did see the Northern Lights a number of times up there. 5 Vaj who knows? Its all about religion with you. 5 Sal Sunshine- Less is more. A spare and lively presence here. 4 merudanda keep confusing you with obbajeeba. 3 stevelf- who? 3 pranamoocher- probably the best cyberhandle on here. 3 martyboi - 3 Duveyoung the guy who rides the weird tricycle thing, somehow related in your writing to maskedzebra in the intensity and depth. 2 emptybill- the clearest name and form on here. I can hear the winds blowing through your open soul. 2 Richard Mays- TMO ad guy. Thank you for the free subscription! 2 Alex Stanley- seems like you are having fun. 1 shukra69- devotion. 1 seekliberation- 1
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everyone here in my FFL mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Thank you for posting the dancer. She danced counter-clockwise at first, but then I was looking at the bottom half of the image, and she began dancing clockwise and continued that way, and then began switching back and forth, though I couldn't detect the actual switch point. If you work at it a bit, you can make her switch at will. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Very nice perception of your FFL mind. How many voices are you actually hearing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-WAjKyHecs You may be correct with the wtf thing. Also, the right brain captured this: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/weird/the-right-brain-vs-left-brain/story-e6frev20-114577583 and then she danced backwards afterwards, then switched back again and again and she couldn't make up her mind. The heart, yes, thank you. From the heart. : )
