Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Pass Large Hog Confinement Master Matrix
Yes, it is an analogy and simply reducing it down in narrow formula seems a narrow mentation as thinking strictly about it and evidently misses what is going on in the experience of the Meissner-like effect (ME) as two or more are gathered in proximity meditating. The certainty of the research now should urge people out to get their meditations checked and come meditate with the group for good reason. JGD ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The reductionism in linear fashion is simply the square root of 1% which I believe is Hagelin's formula which is based on analogy with super radiance in lasers. This in turn is loosely correlated with some comment Patanjali made in the Yoga Sutras. What I think you are doing is trying to fudge the formula, which does not appear to work, so that it looks like it works. Fairfield, IA itself has a population of about 10,000. One percent is 100 and the square root of 100 is 10, so you only need 10 people or perhaps a couple of more for the local area doing superradiance. Certainly the sidhas in the area can manage that in spite of trying to make a post hoc adjustment to make it look as if the formula works. It appears the formula really does not work, or if it does, the results are not to your liking. Frankly I think Maharishi used it as a ploy to get people to keep meditating and doing more advanced programs so they would progress toward enlightenment and not slack off. When "nature supports" exactly how does that work, and who does it benefit? Just the person, or those near them, or everyone around in the area, even people who have never even heard of meditation? It seems to me nature does what it does regardless, and that we have far less influence than we think, because we do not think clearly, don't have a clue as to the results of our actions even when we think we are performing "good" actions. I am all for people performing actions that lead in the direction of enlightenment, which to me is the realization that our essential nature is consciousness and that everything is in fact consciousness. But that doesn't say a word about how that knowledge affects the environment, only that it is the knowledge that consciousness is the environment. On Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 7:45:39 PM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: No, both your reductionisms are boil down in only linear fashion. The puny Dome and the fragmented Fairfield program halls (..eleven (11) program halls scattered around the County and also people off by themselves) as numbers are just too small for the dull weight they lift. The larger tragedy here is that apparatchiks of the Patterson-Morris-Maharishi era let the Dome numbers get so bad. Or that ill-disciplined good meditators like some.. abandoned their posts. Superradiance critical mass evidently happens with numbers in proximity. Numbers and their proximity is in the basic science from the beginning, like the Bible says, where gathered ..there is superradiance. That superradiance lives as a reality of spiritual practice evident in the science and by experience while the peer science is still good in principle as it is replicated. In doubt you seem trying too hard to disgrace those who are here and what is at hand in contending simple linear reductions. Quite instead, you all should be here meditating for all sorts of good reasons in life. Jai Guru Dev ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I was about to put up similar figures. The current estimated population of Iowa for 2018 is 3.16 million. 0.01% is 31,600 and √31,600 = 177.763888 which means you only need 178 people for program in Iowa. So that means if more hogs in Iowa near Fairfield represent the lack of support of the laws of nature, then the ME formula is false. Alternately if the formula is correct, then the presence of additional hog farms represents support of the laws of nature for the greater population of Iowa, and not based on the desire of a small contingent community with contrary ideas. Again, alternately, were the formula true, and more hogs come, the program itself must be faulty and not be implementing the effect. Regardless of a small part of the universe, the whole remains in balance. You have (at least seeming) control over action alone, never its fruits. This point in the Bhagavad-Gita always seems to be forgotten. Desiring a certain result and expecting it to always come true is known as spiritual materialism, and represents a lack of understanding of the nature of consciousness. On Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 1:18:27 PM GMT, skymt...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: As simple and hopeful as the ME theory sounds, from my calcs, it does not add up. Iowa has 3 million people. Square root of .1% = 173. FF has 10,000 so 10 is ME threshold number for FF. From what I have read the low range of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Pass Large Hog Confinement Master Matrix
The reductionism in linear fashion is simply the square root of 1% which I believe is Hagelin's formula which is based on analogy with super radiance in lasers. This in turn is loosely correlated with some comment Patanjali made in the Yoga Sutras. What I think you are doing is trying to fudge the formula, which does not appear to work, so that it looks like it works. Fairfield, IA itself has a population of about 10,000. One percent is 100 and the square root of 100 is 10, so you only need 10 people or perhaps a couple of more for the local area doing superradiance. Certainly the sidhas in the area can manage that in spite of trying to make a post hoc adjustment to make it look as if the formula works. It appears the formula really does not work, or if it does, the results are not to your liking. Frankly I think Maharishi used it as a ploy to get people to keep meditating and doing more advanced programs so they would progress toward enlightenment and not slack off. When "nature supports" exactly how does that work, and who does it benefit? Just the person, or those near them, or everyone around in the area, even people who have never even heard of meditation? It seems to me nature does what it does regardless, and that we have far less influence than we think, because we do not think clearly, don't have a clue as to the results of our actions even when we think we are performing "good" actions. I am all for people performing actions that lead in the direction of enlightenment, which to me is the realization that our essential nature is consciousness and that everything is in fact consciousness. But that doesn't say a word about how that knowledge affects the environment, only that it is the knowledge that consciousness is the environment. On Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 7:45:39 PM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: No, both your reductionisms are boil down in only linear fashion. The puny Dome and the fragmented Fairfield program halls (..eleven (11) program halls scattered around the County and also people off by themselves) as numbers are just too small for the dull weight they lift. The larger tragedy here is that apparatchiks of the Patterson-Morris-Maharishi era let the Dome numbers get so bad. Or that ill-disciplined good meditators like some.. abandoned their posts. Superradiance critical mass evidently happens with numbers in proximity. Numbers and their proximity is in the basic science from the beginning, like the Bible says, where gathered ..there is superradiance. That superradiance lives as a reality of spiritual practice evident in the science and by experience while the peer science is still good in principle as it is replicated. In doubt you seem trying too hard to disgrace those who are here and what is at hand in contending simple linear reductions. Quite instead, you all should be here meditating for all sorts of good reasons in life. Jai Guru Dev ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I was about to put up similar figures. The current estimated population of Iowa for 2018 is 3.16 million. 0.01% is 31,600 and √31,600 = 177.763888 which means you only need 178 people for program in Iowa. So that means if more hogs in Iowa near Fairfield represent the lack of support of the laws of nature, then the ME formula is false. Alternately if the formula is correct, then the presence of additional hog farms represents support of the laws of nature for the greater population of Iowa, and not based on the desire of a small contingent community with contrary ideas. Again, alternately, were the formula true, and more hogs come, the program itself must be faulty and not be implementing the effect. Regardless of a small part of the universe, the whole remains in balance. You have (at least seeming) control over action alone, never its fruits. This point in the Bhagavad-Gita always seems to be forgotten. Desiring a certain result and expecting it to always come true is known as spiritual materialism, and represents a lack of understanding of the nature of consciousness. On Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 1:18:27 PM GMT, skymt...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: As simple and hopeful as the ME theory sounds, from my calcs, it does not add up. Iowa has 3 million people. Square root of .1% = 173. FF has 10,000 so 10 is ME threshold number for FF. From what I have read the low range of attendance in domes is around 400, which ME predicts should powerfully and positively affect across a much larger region, an area of 16 million. The ME effects in FF and Iowa, one would expect from the ME theory to be extraordinary, after 30 years of constant practice in the domes of at least 400, much larger in some eras. The ME threshold is exceeded by at least a factor of 40 in FF, and a factor of 2 - 10 for Iowa over the years. Yet FF and Iowa, on a comparative basis, do not have exceptional crime reduction,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Pass Large Hog Confinement Master Matrix
No, both your reductionisms are boil down in only linear fashion. The puny Dome and the fragmented Fairfield program halls (..eleven (11) program halls scattered around the County and also people off by themselves) as numbers are just too small for the dull weight they lift. The larger tragedy here is that apparatchiks of the Patterson-Morris-Maharishi era let the Dome numbers get so bad. Or that ill-disciplined good meditators like some.. abandoned their posts. Superradiance critical mass evidently happens with numbers in proximity. Numbers and their proximity is in the basic science from the beginning, like the Bible says, where gathered ..there is superradiance. That superradiance lives as a reality of spiritual practice evident in the science and by experience while the peer science is still good in principle as it is replicated. In doubt you seem trying too hard to disgrace those who are here and what is at hand in contending simple linear reductions. Quite instead, you all should be here meditating for all sorts of good reasons in life. Jai Guru Dev ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I was about to put up similar figures. The current estimated population of Iowa for 2018 is 3.16 million. 0.01% is 31,600 and √31,600 = 177.763888 which means you only need 178 people for program in Iowa. So that means if more hogs in Iowa near Fairfield represent the lack of support of the laws of nature, then the ME formula is false. Alternately if the formula is correct, then the presence of additional hog farms represents support of the laws of nature for the greater population of Iowa, and not based on the desire of a small contingent community with contrary ideas. Again, alternately, were the formula true, and more hogs come, the program itself must be faulty and not be implementing the effect. Regardless of a small part of the universe, the whole remains in balance. You have (at least seeming) control over action alone, never its fruits. This point in the Bhagavad-Gita always seems to be forgotten. Desiring a certain result and expecting it to always come true is known as spiritual materialism, and represents a lack of understanding of the nature of consciousness. On Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 1:18:27 PM GMT, skymt...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: As simple and hopeful as the ME theory sounds, from my calcs, it does not add up. Iowa has 3 million people. Square root of .1% = 173. FF has 10,000 so 10 is ME threshold number for FF. From what I have read the low range of attendance in domes is around 400, which ME predicts should powerfully and positively affect across a much larger region, an area of 16 million. The ME effects in FF and Iowa, one would expect from the ME theory to be extraordinary, after 30 years of constant practice in the domes of at least 400, much larger in some eras. The ME threshold is exceeded by at least a factor of 40 in FF, and a factor of 2 - 10 for Iowa over the years. Yet FF and Iowa, on a comparative basis, do not have exceptional crime reduction, or economic performance -- or any other measures that I can find. (And per the topic of this thread, CAFOs in Iowa have quadrupled since 2001, and are a growing problem negatively affecting the quality of life on many levels.) What are the effects of ME in FF and Iowa that are consistent with its predictions? And beyond lack of noticeable effects on crime and economy in FF and Iowa, are there any studies indicating ME affects climate change? I wish the challenge of climate change was as simple as having groups of ME practitioners totaling < 10,000 worldwide. However, given the above, it does not seem credible or plausible. Better perhaps, that people world-wide meditate and then act with clearer minds to transform our economies and cultures towards a thriving civilization with zero to negative (via sequestration) greenhouse gas emissions
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Pass Large Hog Confinement Master Matrix
I was about to put up similar figures. The current estimated population of Iowa for 2018 is 3.16 million. 0.01% is 31,600 and √31,600 = 177.763888 which means you only need 178 people for program in Iowa. So that means if more hogs in Iowa near Fairfield represent the lack of support of the laws of nature, then the ME formula is false. Alternately if the formula is correct, then the presence of additional hog farms represents support of the laws of nature for the greater population of Iowa, and not based on the desire of a small contingent community with contrary ideas. Again, alternately, were the formula true, and more hogs come, the program itself must be faulty and not be implementing the effect. Regardless of a small part of the universe, the whole remains in balance. You have (at least seeming) control over action alone, never its fruits. This point in the Bhagavad-Gita always seems to be forgotten. Desiring a certain result and expecting it to always come true is known as spiritual materialism, and represents a lack of understanding of the nature of consciousness. On Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 1:18:27 PM GMT, skymt...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Doug, As simple and hopeful as the ME theory sounds, from my calcs, it does not add up. Iowa has 3 million people. Square root of .1% = 173. FF has 10,000 so 10 is ME threshold number for FF. From what I have read the low range of attendance in domes is around 400, which ME predicts should powerfully and positively affect across a much larger region, an area of 16 million. The ME effects in FF and Iowa, one would expect from the ME theory to be extraordinary, after 30 years of constant practice in the domes of at least 400, much larger in some eras. The ME threshold is exceeded by at least a factor of 40 in FF, and a factor of 2 - 10 for Iowa over the years. Yet FF and Iowa, on a comparative basis, do not have exceptional crime reduction, or economic performance -- or any other measures that I can find. (And per the topic of this thread, CAFOs in Iowa have quadrupled since 2001, and are a growing problem negatively affecting the quality of life on many levels.) What are the effects of ME in FF and Iowa that are consistent with its predictions? And beyond lack of noticeable effects on crime and economy in FF and Iowa, are there any studies indicating ME affects climate change? I wish the challenge of climate change was as simple as having groups of ME practitioners totaling < 10,000 worldwide. However, given the above, it does not seem credible or plausible. Better perhaps, that people world-wide meditate and then act with clearer minds to transform our economies and cultures towards a thriving civilization with zero to negative (via sequestration) greenhouse gas emissions
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Pass Large Hog Confinement Master Matrix
Answering part of your posed criticism about the superradiance effect of meditators, while the Domes are fabulous places for meditating but there has not been many times of super radiant numbers meditating together for decades. From the late 1980’s and through the 1990’s and ‘00’s the Morris-Patterson era administration of the movement with Maharishi fragmented the super radiant effect of the group, dividing granting socioeconomic specialness and separating people by fealty from the larger group administratively. The metrics for the American movement were in the tank whence the American assembly was initiated in the summer of 2006. For some months then meditators came from all over to the group meditation in Fairfield coming from Western Europe, Canada, the UK, Asia, Israel and from what was left of the US movement then. That was super radiant then for a while, 10 years ago. So it is not acceptable to assert that the proliferation of hog confinements now is some failure of the group practice. It is a better example of the failure of the administration facilitating the meditation. However Fairfield is still okay for now, as much as the Hog industrialists would love to get back at Fairfielders by crossing it up with confinements. x ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Why You Don’t Want More CAFOs in Jefferson County 1. Property Values Plummet Near CAFOs Property values of residences drop up to 40 percent near factory farms. (Colorado State University study of Iowa properties). 2. People Living Near CAFOs Experience Health Problems Neighbors living within two miles of a CAFO (confined animal feeding operation, or factory farm) have experienced wheezing, chest tightness, shortness of breath, excessive coughing, nausea, diarrhea, sore throat, eye irritation, headache, runny nose and weakness. (Numerous University of North Carolina studies) Children who attend schools near CAFOs suffer higher incidences of asthma. (Study in Pediatrics journal) Neighbors living near a hog confinement experienced more depression, tension, anger, fatigue, and confusion and less vigor. (North Carolina study) Factory farms emit over 200 gases and particulates. Here are just a few that you will breathe in: ammonia, hydrogen sulfide, particulates such as fecal matter and skin cells, volatile organic compounds, methane, and viruses. A 2002 report by Iowa State University and the University of Iowa determined that hydrogen sulfide and ammonia emissions from CAFOs are a health risk for humans. Antibiotic-resistant bacteria (methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, known as MRSA), is found in Iowa hogs and CAFO workers. (University of Iowa study) MRSA is difficult to treat, can be fatal in people with weakened immune systems, and is becoming more common because of the heavy use of antibiotics on factory farms. 3. CAFOs Stink Confined hogs generate three times the amount of raw waste as humans. (EPA). The liquid manure goes into concrete pits below the confinement where it sits and putrefies for 6-12 months. Huge fans blow the poisonous air out of the confinements, and residents breathe it in. If you live within 3-4 miles of a CAFO, your air is going to stink. If you live near a field where manure will be applied, it will stink there, too. Breathing in this air can make you sick. 4. Your Quality of Life Will Diminish People who live near factory farms report that they don’t enjoy their homes any longer. Some experiences people report include: No longer opening windows to get fresh air into their homes. (There is no fresh air anymore.) Living in basements to get away from the smell that seeps through closed windows. Coping with overwhelming fly infestations. Flies may also contribute to the spread of antibiotic-resistant bacteria. Ending all outdoor entertaining with family and friends. 5. Your Community Will Deteriorate Increased traffic from tractor-trailer feed trucks breaks down community roads, and local tax money pays for repairs. Fuel taxes don’t come close to covering costs. Taxes often rise, and local community services get reduced to keep up with maintenance. It’s common to see businesses close and people move out when factory farms move in. 6. The Environment Suffers Iowa has some of the worst waterways in the nation. Over 800 manure spills have occurred in the last 10 years. Fish kills are common. Children can’t play in streams without concerns of exposure to E. coli or other bacteria. JFAN works to keep CAFOs out of Jefferson County, safeguarding your health, property values, quality of life, and the environment. Jefferson County Farmers & Neighbors, Inc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Pass Large Hog Confinement Master Matrix
Why You Don’t Want More CAFOs in Jefferson County 1. Property Values Plummet Near CAFOs Property values of residences drop up to 40 percent near factory farms. (Colorado State University study of Iowa properties). 2. People Living Near CAFOs Experience Health Problems Neighbors living within two miles of a CAFO (confined animal feeding operation, or factory farm) have experienced wheezing, chest tightness, shortness of breath, excessive coughing, nausea, diarrhea, sore throat, eye irritation, headache, runny nose and weakness. (Numerous University of North Carolina studies) Children who attend schools near CAFOs suffer higher incidences of asthma. (Study in Pediatrics journal) Neighbors living near a hog confinement experienced more depression, tension, anger, fatigue, and confusion and less vigor. (North Carolina study) Factory farms emit over 200 gases and particulates. Here are just a few that you will breathe in: ammonia, hydrogen sulfide, particulates such as fecal matter and skin cells, volatile organic compounds, methane, and viruses. A 2002 report by Iowa State University and the University of Iowa determined that hydrogen sulfide and ammonia emissions from CAFOs are a health risk for humans. Antibiotic-resistant bacteria (methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, known as MRSA), is found in Iowa hogs and CAFO workers. (University of Iowa study) MRSA is difficult to treat, can be fatal in people with weakened immune systems, and is becoming more common because of the heavy use of antibiotics on factory farms. 3. CAFOs Stink Confined hogs generate three times the amount of raw waste as humans. (EPA). The liquid manure goes into concrete pits below the confinement where it sits and putrefies for 6-12 months. Huge fans blow the poisonous air out of the confinements, and residents breathe it in. If you live within 3-4 miles of a CAFO, your air is going to stink. If you live near a field where manure will be applied, it will stink there, too. Breathing in this air can make you sick. 4. Your Quality of Life Will Diminish People who live near factory farms report that they don’t enjoy their homes any longer. Some experiences people report include: No longer opening windows to get fresh air into their homes. (There is no fresh air anymore.) Living in basements to get away from the smell that seeps through closed windows. Coping with overwhelming fly infestations. Flies may also contribute to the spread of antibiotic-resistant bacteria. Ending all outdoor entertaining with family and friends. 5. Your Community Will Deteriorate Increased traffic from tractor-trailer feed trucks breaks down community roads, and local tax money pays for repairs. Fuel taxes don’t come close to covering costs. Taxes often rise, and local community services get reduced to keep up with maintenance. It’s common to see businesses close and people move out when factory farms move in. 6. The Environment Suffers Iowa has some of the worst waterways in the nation. Over 800 manure spills have occurred in the last 10 years. Fish kills are common. Children can’t play in streams without concerns of exposure to E. coli or other bacteria. JFAN works to keep CAFOs out of Jefferson County, safeguarding your health, property values, quality of life, and the environment. Jefferson County Farmers & Neighbors, Inc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Pass Large Hog Confinement Master Matrix
The Explosion of CAFOs in Iowa and Its Impact on Water Quality and Public Health https://www.iowapolicyproject.org/2018docs/180125-CAFO.pdf https://www.iowapolicyproject.org/2018docs/180125-CAFO.pdf
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Oppose Gay Marriage
Vermont republicans and democrats already passed the right to gay marriage - and beat down the Republican governer's childish veto, and they are now focused on more important issues. Vermont is already in a better position economically due to intelligent decisions of past decade or more, and now they are focused on the economy and people's quality of life -- not on pathetic squabbling over such a childish argument. The rest of the country will eventually follow Vermont's lead. Period. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Fairfield Daily Ledger Supervisors call for action on same-sex marriages The resolution asks the Legislature to resolve the discrepancy between the April 3 Iowa Supreme Court ruling and the 1998 Defense of Marriage Act, which states marriage in Iowa is only between one man and By LACEY JACOBS Ledger staff writer Published: Monday, April 27, 2009 2:58 PM CDT Before the state's Supreme Court ruling legalizing same-sex marriages took effect this morning, interested residents packed a meeting room in the Jefferson County Courthouse to hear what the local board of supervisors had to say about the issue. Following a brief discussion, the supervisors unanimously passed a resolution calling on the Iowa Legislature to pass legislation providing for a public vote to amend the Iowa Constitution or to pass legislation conforming Iowa Code to the Supreme Court's ruling. I think the Legislature and the governor have really not done their job. We now have conflicting Supreme Court opinion and law, and I personally I would like to see the Legislature address the issue, supervisor Steve Burgmeier said. The resolution he drafted Friday was reviewed and amended by the county attorney and assistant county attorney. It may not do what I want it to do, but it does what the county attorney says I can have it do, and that's important, Burgmeier said. Assistant county attorney Pat McAvan said the board has the ability to lobby the Legislature for action, and it's not uncommon for the board to do so. You're certainly allowed to do this. What you're not allowed to do is make legislation on this issue, he said. Supervisor Dick Reed said certain issues should take into account the voices of everyone concerned and he supports a public vote on the issue of same-sex marriage. My concern is that the Legislature in this state and the governor in this state have taken a position where they've stated that because the court has issued an opinion, that somehow or another that has become the law of the land. I'm sorry, but I don't accept that premise, supervisor Lee Dimmitt said. For the complete article, see the Monday, April 27, 2009, Fairfield Ledger. http://tinyurl.com/d32gav http://tinyurl.com/d32gav http://goldentrianglenewspapers.com/articles/2009/04/27/fairfield_daily_\ ledger/top_stories/doc49f60d0051629780627547.txt http://goldentrianglenewspapers.com/articles/2009/04/27/fairfield_daily\ _ledger/top_stories/doc49f60d0051629780627547.txt Jefferson County Supervisors this morning unanimously passed a resolution this morning asking lawmakers to take action against same-sex marriage. We expect the Iowa legislature to resolve the issue, said Stephen Burgmeier, chairman of the three-member, all-Republican board. We hope it either leads to a public vote or to a constitutional amendment. About 40 people attended the 7:30 a.m. meeting, a meeting that typically attracts three or four people, Burgmeier said. Almost all at the meeting were against same-sex marriage, he said. A group of residents also brought a petition that asks County Recorder Charlotte Fleig to deny the licenses. Fleig acknowledged that she was aware of the petition but hadn't received it as of 9 a.m. this morning. She said she will issue the licenses but, as of 9 a.m., no same-sex couples had requested a license although there was at least one same-sex couple who called to inquire about the process. http://tinyurl.com/coczoh http://tinyurl.com/coczoh http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090427/NEWS/90427010/0/NEWS11 http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090427/NEWS/90427010/0/NEWS1\ 1
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 3:24 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: The Ru's only have themselves to blame for this sort of nonsense. They have treated townies like shit whenever there was a conflict and this is what happens. It was an out-of-town Ru firing up anti-townie sentiment with a single email that got the two Rus on the ballot in the first place. So, the anti-Ru backlash is to be expected. The biggest bummer is that there were two locals running in the Dem. primary who would have been well respected by both Rus and locals. With the two Rus on the ballot, there are probably a lot of local Dems who will vote for the two local GOP supervisors. So many Ru's have such a pathetic elitist attitude towards non-ru's because of the spiritually superior zeitgeist (damn, I love dat word!) the Maharishi espoused for so many years in the TMO. Ironically enough, while MMY himself often fell into the trap, the SCI theory he expounded never supported this attitude: *at best* you could assume you were better off, spiritually, than before you started TM, but because it was always possible that the person you were most hostile towards was spiritually superior to you, you could never judge yourself against anyone else in that respect... Though of course, everyone no doubt did (and does). Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of enlightened_dawn11 Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 11:13 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors the pathetic elitist attitude comes not from the Maharishi's message, but rather from their misunderstanding of reality, being locked into a dualistic perspective. Duality breeds conflict. It has nothing to do with the Maharishi's message. Maharishi was very much into hierarchies and establishing pecking orders, usually based on how much money one had. He also regarded the common man as incapable of making sensible decisions, hence his damning of democracy. He once said of the Labor Party in the UK, They are laborers. They shouldn't be running the government. Just give them a shovel and tell them where to dig. And He was right, as usual. Now these silly laborers are suing the icelanders for borrowing them money ! HaHa
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob_brigante Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:17 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors You are not capable of understanding what MMY said. Of course you don't hand the govt to oafs -- the current U.S. govt is proof that this is unwise. But MMY did not intend that people should be locked into low levels of life, lorded over by somebody. The whole point of the revival of Vedic wisdom (the centerpiece of which is TM, for unfolding total awareness for all individuals) is that people will be able to live happily without being administered by anybody: Sounds good in principle, but then why, in practice, has there always been such heavy-handed administration in the TMO, of which you have been one of the most outspoken critics?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
--- On Thu, 10/9/08, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 12:13 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 3:24 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: The Ru's only have themselves to blame for this sort of nonsense. They have treated townies like shit whenever there was a conflict and this is what happens. It was an out-of-town Ru firing up anti-townie sentiment with a single email that got the two Rus on the ballot in the first place. So, the anti-Ru backlash is to be expected. The biggest bummer is that there were two locals running in the Dem. primary who would have been well respected by both Rus and locals. With the two Rus on the ballot, there are probably a lot of local Dems who will vote for the two local GOP supervisors. So many Ru's have such a pathetic elitist attitude towards non- ru's because of the spiritually superior zeitgeist (damn, I love dat word!) the Maharishi espoused for so many years in the TMO. the pathetic elitist attitude comes not from the Maharishi's message, but rather from their misunderstanding of reality, being locked into a dualistic perspective. Duality breeds conflict. It has nothing to do with the Maharishi's message. Unitary or Dualistic perspective is irrelevant here. Maharishi treated many groups of people as intrinsically inferior to others. This is very typical for Indians of Maharishi's generation who have a strong caste system mentality. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
Earl and Will are well intentioned but hapless candidates fallen victim to the whims of a TM voting block of about 2000. No one bothered to tell the TM'ers that they would need another 2000 votes for their candidates to win in the general election. Now that the Republicans have pushed back with scare tactics, there's no time for whining. If the TM'ers want to have any chance of winning at least one seat, they should plunk for just one candidate or the the other. That is vote for just one instead of two. I have no opinion on who this should be. I think they are both very good candidates. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Email going around: October 6, 2008 Dear Friends, I am writing to you not as a Republican or a Democrat but as a very concerned citizen of Jefferson County. Recently a group of men were drinking coffee at Hy-Vee and discussing the county supervisor race. A woman from the meditating community heard them and said to them, We are going to take over this county and there is nothing you can do about it. That statement is true if we don't defeat the two meditators running for county supervisors. William Richards and Earl Shepard are the candidates for Jefferson County Supervisor on the Democrat ticket. These men are associated with MUM and the meditating movement. They will not represent you and your tax dollars with regard to county business. During the past year the meditating community has attempted to give tax breaks to organic farmers, stop livestock production and use eminent domain to take farm land.They have demolished historical landmarks on the Parsons College campus because of the building design. If they controlled the county dollars would they demolish our hundred year old courthouse? The meditating community is mounting a well organized effort to put their candidates in power. It is very important for us to take action and vote. Also... spread the word to your neighbors, friends and family. Be sure to vote for Stephen Burgmeier and Lee Dimmitt, long time Jefferson County residents. Also, spread the word to your neighbors, friends and family. Thank you Dave Dickey
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- On Thu, 10/9/08, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 12:13 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 3:24 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: The Ru's only have themselves to blame for this sort of nonsense. They have treated townies like shit whenever there was a conflict and this is what happens. It was an out-of-town Ru firing up anti-townie sentiment with a single email that got the two Rus on the ballot in the first place. So, the anti-Ru backlash is to be expected. The biggest bummer is that there were two locals running in the Dem. primary who would have been well respected by both Rus and locals. With the two Rus on the ballot, there are probably a lot of local Dems who will vote for the two local GOP supervisors. So many Ru's have such a pathetic elitist attitude towards non- ru's because of the spiritually superior zeitgeist (damn, I love dat word!) the Maharishi espoused for so many years in the TMO. the pathetic elitist attitude comes not from the Maharishi's message, but rather from their misunderstanding of reality, being locked into a dualistic perspective. Duality breeds conflict. It has nothing to do with the Maharishi's message. Unitary or Dualistic perspective is irrelevant here. Maharishi treated many groups of people as intrinsically inferior to others. This is very typical for Indians of Maharishi's generation who have a strong caste system mentality. so are you saying that: 1. the Maharishi accepted the caste system. 2. the Western members of the TMO were considered mixed caste and therefore lower than untouchables. 3. the Maharishi elevated the Western members of the TMO above those who were not in the TMO. 4. therefore any Indians not in the TMO, whatever their caste, would then be considered lower than the lower than untouchable TMO members?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
--- On Thu, 10/9/08, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the pathetic elitist attitude comes not from the Maharishi's message, but rather from their misunderstanding of reality, being locked into a dualistic perspective. Duality breeds conflict. It has nothing to do with the Maharishi's message. Unitary or Dualistic perspective is irrelevant here. Maharishi treated many groups of people as intrinsically inferior to others. This is very typical for Indians of Maharishi's generation who have a strong caste system mentality. so are you saying that: 1. the Maharishi accepted the caste system. 2. the Western members of the TMO were considered mixed caste and therefore lower than untouchables. 3. the Maharishi elevated the Western members of the TMO above those who were not in the TMO. 4. therefore any Indians not in the TMO, whatever their caste, would then be considered lower than the lower than untouchable TMO members? I'm only speaking about a general attitude that MMY had and was certainly present in the TMO and MIU/MUM administration towards non-ru's. I'm assuming MMY was that way because his personality/laisha vidya was very much a product of his genes and culture. So many Indians, especially of his generation, are spiritual/religious snobs. You notice less of this attitude in contemporary Indians. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so are you saying that: 1. the Maharishi accepted the caste system. 2. the Western members of the TMO were considered mixed caste and therefore lower than untouchables. 3. the Maharishi elevated the Western members of the TMO above those who were not in the TMO. 4. therefore any Indians not in the TMO, whatever their caste, would then be considered lower than the lower than untouchable TMO members? I'm only speaking about a general attitude that MMY had and was certainly present in the TMO and MIU/MUM administration towards non- ru's. I'm assuming MMY was that way because his personality/laisha vidya was very much a product of his genes and culture. So many Indians, especially of his generation, are spiritual/religious snobs. You notice less of this attitude in contemporary Indians. Just for the record; what peter is saying is 180 degrees from how I experienced Maharishi. If anyone anywhere was not a snob it was certainly Maharishi. Quite the contrary; He always invited everyone anywhere to enjoy the benefits of His programmes regardless of class, age or status.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 11:51 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Just for the record; what peter is saying is 180 degrees from how I experienced Maharishi. If anyone anywhere was not a snob it was certainly Maharishi. Quite the contrary; He always invited everyone anywhere to enjoy the benefits of His programmes regardless of class, age or status. At least in developed countries, he usually practiced trickle-down economics: set the price for initiation high so the wealthy and influential will value and appreciate it. They will then make it available to the masses who can't afford it. Didn't quite work out that way.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
Maharishi was very much into hierarchies and establishing pecking orders, usually based on how much money one had. He also regarded the common man as incapable of making sensible decisions, hence his “damning” of democracy. He once said of the Labor Party in the UK, “They are laborers. They shouldn’t be running the government. Just give them a shovel and tell them where to dig.” There are two kinds of people in the world, my friend. Those who have a loaded gun and those who dig. You, dig. Cline Eastwood to Eli Wallach - from The Good, the Bad and the Ugly Love will swallow you, eat you up completely until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 12:59 AM From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of enlightened_dawn11 Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 11:13 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors the pathetic elitist attitude comes not from the Maharishi's message, but rather from their misunderstanding of reality, being locked into a dualistic perspective. Duality breeds conflict. It has nothing to do with the Maharishi's message. Maharishi was very much into hierarchies and establishing pecking orders, usually based on how much money one had. He also regarded the common man as incapable of making sensible decisions, hence his “damning” of democracy. He once said of the Labor Party in the UK, “They are laborers. They shouldn’t be running the government. Just give them a shovel and tell them where to dig.”
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 11:51 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Just for the record; what peter is saying is 180 degrees from how I experienced Maharishi. If anyone anywhere was not a snob it was certainly Maharishi. Quite the contrary; He always invited everyone anywhere to enjoy the benefits of His programmes regardless of class, age or status. At least in developed countries, he usually practiced trickle-down economics: set the price for initiation high so the wealthy and influential will value and appreciate it. They will then make it available to the masses who can't afford it. Didn't quite work out that way. H Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob_brigante Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:17 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors You are not capable of understanding what MMY said. Of course you don't hand the govt to oafs -- the current U.S. govt is proof that this is unwise. But MMY did not intend that people should be locked into low levels of life, lorded over by somebody. The whole point of the revival of Vedic wisdom (the centerpiece of which is TM, for unfolding total awareness for all individuals) is that people will be able to live happily without being administered by anybody: Sounds good in principle, but then why, in practice, has there always been such heavy-handed administration in the TMO, of which you have been one of the most outspoken critics? * There is a constantly repeating cycle of Yugas, 4,320,000 years long, of which 10% is a era in which life is lived at a very low level: our epoch, the Kali Yuga. The transition to the Sat Yuga starts in the Kali Yuga -- it can't start anywhere else -- so naturally the level of behavior is poor on the way to the Sat. But once Guru Dev decided to terminate the Kali Yuga early, it is just a matter of time before onset of Sat Yuga, no matter how many difficulties seem to be blocking this from within and from without the TM movement. It's like a bottle of ketchup: Shake and shake the ketchup bottle. None'll come, and then a lot'll. --Richard Armour http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2002/07jun_elastic_fluids.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for the record; what peter is saying is 180 degrees from how I experienced Maharishi. If anyone anywhere was not a snob it was certainly Maharishi. Quite the contrary; He always invited everyone anywhere to enjoy the benefits of His programmes regardless of class, age or status. At least in developed countries, he usually practiced trickle-down economics: set the price for initiation high so the wealthy and influential will value and appreciate it. They will then make it available to the masses who can't afford it. Didn't quite work out that way. Yes it did. And you are on another planet, as usual. The rich west payed for countless projects in developing contries. Bob Brigante will probably have the full list, it could easily include most of the un-developed world that benefitted from His attention in some way or another. Now David Lynch is doing the same thing regarding poor americans. Two blessed souls indeed. These days the USA and India particularily is reaping the benefits of His historic and altruistic activities.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a constantly repeating cycle of Yugas, 4,320,000 years long, of which 10% is a era in which life is lived at a very low level: our epoch, the Kali Yuga. The transition to the Sat Yuga starts in the Kali Yuga -- it can't start anywhere else -- so naturally the level of behavior is poor on the way to the Sat. But once Guru Dev decided to terminate the Kali Yuga early, it is just a matter of time before onset of Sat Yuga, no matter how many difficulties seem to be blocking this from within and from without the TM movement. The TM movement was instituted by Guru Dev. And Guru Dev Himself was not alone in the descision to termiate Kali Yuga. He is one of the most illustrious in a long line of Masters, many of whom are incarnating today to help us into Sat Yuga through the total demolishing of old systems, including capitalism. Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism - Maharishi To understand more of the Hierarchy of the Masters Wisdom, please see: http://shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Ru's only have themselves to blame for this sort of nonsense. They have treated townies like shit whenever there was a conflict and this is what happens. It was an out-of-town Ru firing up anti-townie sentiment with a single email that got the two Rus on the ballot in the first place. So, the anti-Ru backlash is to be expected. The biggest bummer is that there were two locals running in the Dem. primary who would have been well respected by both Rus and locals. With the two Rus on the ballot, there are probably a lot of local Dems who will vote for the two local GOP supervisors.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Ru's only have themselves to blame for this sort of nonsense. They have treated townies like shit whenever there was a conflict and this is what happens. They should have kept that beautiful chapel. Tearing it down was such a FU to Fairfield and its Christians. Plus it was the most beautiful building on campus and a great place to hear music. It was a symbol for respecting Western religions that had real PR value. Tearing it down signaled the end of pretending to be more than another Hindu cult. My favorite line: stop livestock production. In Iowa? Yeah, that's gunna fly about as far as yogic flying. --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Jefferson County Supervisors To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 1:53 PM Email going around: October 6, 2008 Dear Friends, I am writing to you not as a Republican or a Democrat but as a very concerned citizen of Jefferson County. Recently a group of men were drinking coffee at Hy-Vee and discussing the county supervisor race. A woman from the meditating community heard them and said to them, We are going to take over this county and there is nothing you can do about it. That statement is true if we don't defeat the two meditators running for county supervisors. William Richards and Earl Shepard are the candidates for Jefferson County Supervisor on the Democrat ticket. These men are associated with MUM and the meditating movement. They will not represent you and your tax dollars with regard to county business. During the past year the meditating community has attempted to give tax breaks to organic farmers, stop livestock production and use eminent domain to take farm land.They have demolished historical landmarks on the Parsons College campus because of the building design. If they controlled the county dollars would they demolish our hundred year old courthouse? The meditating community is mounting a well organized effort to put their candidates in power. It is very important for us to take action and vote. Also .. spread the word to your neighbors, friends and family. Be sure to vote for Stephen Burgmeier and Lee Dimmitt, long time Jefferson County residents. Also, spread the word to your neighbors, friends and family. Thank you Dave Dickey
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: The Ru's only have themselves to blame for this sort of nonsense. They have treated townies like shit whenever there was a conflict and this is what happens. They should have kept that beautiful chapel. Tearing it down was such a FU to Fairfield and its Christians. Plus it was the most beautiful building on campus and a great place to hear music. It was a symbol for respecting Western religions that had real PR value. Tearing it down signaled the end of pretending to be more than another Hindu cult. Had there been a joint town/gown campaign to fund an endowment for perpetual maintenance of the Barhydt Chapel, instead of the abrupt MUM announcement of the chapel's pending fate at the hands of a wrecking crew, relations would have been improved. Parsons College alums still gather in Fairfield for reunions. Parsons alums might have even made the bulk of donations for the chapel's preservation. MUM could have gained a large group of off-campus and nation-wide allies by retaining the chapel. By tearing down the chapel, MUM stuck a stick in the eyes of old-line Fairfielders and Parsons alums, instead. My favorite line: stop livestock production. In Iowa? Yeah, that's gunna fly about as far as yogic flying. --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: Rick Archer rick@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Jefferson County Supervisors To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 1:53 PM Email going around: October 6, 2008 Dear Friends, I am writing to you not as a Republican or a Democrat but as a very concerned citizen of Jefferson County. Recently a group of men were drinking coffee at Hy-Vee and discussing the county supervisor race. A woman from the meditating community heard them and said to them, We are going to take over this county and there is nothing you can do about it. That statement is true if we don't defeat the two meditators running for county supervisors. William Richards and Earl Shepard are the candidates for Jefferson County Supervisor on the Democrat ticket. These men are associated with MUM and the meditating movement. They will not represent you and your tax dollars with regard to county business. During the past year the meditating community has attempted to give tax breaks to organic farmers, stop livestock production and use eminent domain to take farm land.They have demolished historical landmarks on the Parsons College campus because of the building design. If they controlled the county dollars would they demolish our hundred year old courthouse? The meditating community is mounting a well organized effort to put their candidates in power. It is very important for us to take action and vote. Also .. spread the word to your neighbors, friends and family. Be sure to vote for Stephen Burgmeier and Lee Dimmitt, long time Jefferson County residents. Also, spread the word to your neighbors, friends and family. Thank you Dave Dickey
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mainstream20016 Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:18 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Had there been a joint town/gown campaign to fund an endowment for perpetual maintenance of the Barhydt Chapel, instead of the abrupt MUM announcement of the chapel's pending fate at the hands of a wrecking crew, relations would have been improved. MUM claimed expensive upkeep of the chapel as the reason for razing it, but it was really all about the fact that it wasn't MSV, and MMY was strongly encouraging the demolition of all such buildings.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mainstream20016 Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:18 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Had there been a joint town/gown campaign to fund an endowment for perpetual maintenance of the Barhydt Chapel, instead of the abrupt MUM announcement of the chapel's pending fate at the hands of a wrecking crew, relations would have been improved. MUM claimed expensive upkeep of the chapel as the reason for razing it, but it was really all about the fact that it wasn't MSV, and MMY was strongly encouraging the demolition of all such buildings. The Baryhdt Chapel's main entrance faced EAST, did it not ?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mainstream20016 Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:34 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors MUM claimed expensive upkeep of the chapel as the reason for razing it, but it was really all about the fact that it wasn't MSV, and MMY was strongly encouraging the demolition of all such buildings. The Baryhdt Chapel's main entrance faced EAST, did it not ? A little bit S, probably ESE.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mainstream20016 Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:18 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Had there been a joint town/gown campaign to fund an endowment for perpetual maintenance of the Barhydt Chapel, instead of the abrupt MUM announcement of the chapel's pending fate at the hands of a wrecking crew, relations would have been improved. MUM claimed expensive upkeep of the chapel as the reason for razing it, but it was really all about the fact that it wasn't MSV, and MMY was strongly encouraging the demolition of all such buildings. MSV was definitely a huge reason for tearing it down, however, the structural issues were very real. They spent a hundred-some-odd thousand dollars fixing the roof and repairing water damage, but it started leaking again because the building was shifting on its foundation. It was going to take a half-million dollars to fix the foundation. That's a lot of money to spend on a university building that served little purpose for the university. Having had to do group meditation in the chapel while an MIU student, I have less than fond memories of it. To me, it was a cold, drafty, uncomfortable, mildew-infested shithole, and I'm not the least bit bothered that it was torn down.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mainstream20016 Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:18 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Had there been a joint town/gown campaign to fund an endowment for perpetual maintenance of the Barhydt Chapel, instead of the abrupt MUM announcement of the chapel's pending fate at the hands of a wrecking crew, relations would have been improved. MUM claimed expensive upkeep of the chapel as the reason for razing it, but it was really all about the fact that it wasn't MSV, and MMY was strongly encouraging the demolition of all such buildings. MSV was definitely a huge reason for tearing it down, however, the structural issues were very real. They spent a hundred-some-odd thousand dollars fixing the roof and repairing water damage, but it started leaking again because the building was shifting on its foundation. It was going to take a half-million dollars to fix the foundation. That's a lot of money to spend on a university building that served little purpose for the university. Having had to do group meditation in the chapel while an MIU student, I have less than fond memories of it. To me, it was a cold, drafty, uncomfortable, mildew-infested shithole, and I'm not the least bit bothered that it was torn down. *** Yeah, it was a piece of crap, but a piece of crap that was treasured by some. It probably would have been smarter politically to ask these people who wanted to save Barhydt to put their money where their mouth is, and when that didn't happen, say that the school had no choice but to tear it down. Actually, I think either MUM or somebody in town did start a Barhydt preservation fund, but it went nowhere, naturally. The chapel did not have enough of a footprint on a 160 acre campus to be a problem -- MUM could have left the building closed up and unused if the foundation problems had been addressed, which would, of course, cost a shitload of money that nobody was willing to put up.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
Actually I think it credits the university that they didn't act politically. --- On Wed, 10/8/08, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 6:56 PM --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of mainstream20016 Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:18 PM To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Had there been a joint town/gown campaign to fund an endowment for perpetual maintenance of the Barhydt Chapel, instead of the abrupt MUM announcement of the chapel's pending fate at the hands of a wrecking crew, relations would have been improved. MUM claimed expensive upkeep of the chapel as the reason for razing it, but it was really all about the fact that it wasn't MSV, and MMY was strongly encouraging the demolition of all such buildings. MSV was definitely a huge reason for tearing it down, however, the structural issues were very real. They spent a hundred-some- odd thousand dollars fixing the roof and repairing water damage, but it started leaking again because the building was shifting on its foundation. It was going to take a half-million dollars to fix the foundation. That's a lot of money to spend on a university building that served little purpose for the university. Having had to do group meditation in the chapel while an MIU student, I have less than fond memories of it. To me, it was a cold, drafty, uncomfortable, mildew-infested shithole, and I'm not the least bit bothered that it was torn down. *** Yeah, it was a piece of crap, but a piece of crap that was treasured by some. It probably would have been smarter politically to ask these people who wanted to save Barhydt to put their money where their mouth is, and when that didn't happen, say that the school had no choice but to tear it down. Actually, I think either MUM or somebody in town did start a Barhydt preservation fund, but it went nowhere, naturally. The chapel did not have enough of a footprint on a 160 acre campus to be a problem -- MUM could have left the building closed up and unused if the foundation problems had been addressed, which would, of course, cost a shitload of money that nobody was willing to put up.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
--- On Wed, 10/8/08, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 3:24 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Ru's only have themselves to blame for this sort of nonsense. They have treated townies like shit whenever there was a conflict and this is what happens. It was an out-of-town Ru firing up anti-townie sentiment with a single email that got the two Rus on the ballot in the first place. So, the anti-Ru backlash is to be expected. The biggest bummer is that there were two locals running in the Dem. primary who would have been well respected by both Rus and locals. With the two Rus on the ballot, there are probably a lot of local Dems who will vote for the two local GOP supervisors. So many Ru's have such a pathetic elitist attitude towards non-ru's because of the spiritually superior zeitgeist (damn, I love dat word!) the Maharishi espoused for so many years in the TMO. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 3:24 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: The Ru's only have themselves to blame for this sort of nonsense. They have treated townies like shit whenever there was a conflict and this is what happens. It was an out-of-town Ru firing up anti-townie sentiment with a single email that got the two Rus on the ballot in the first place. So, the anti-Ru backlash is to be expected. The biggest bummer is that there were two locals running in the Dem. primary who would have been well respected by both Rus and locals. With the two Rus on the ballot, there are probably a lot of local Dems who will vote for the two local GOP supervisors. So many Ru's have such a pathetic elitist attitude towards non- ru's because of the spiritually superior zeitgeist (damn, I love dat word!) the Maharishi espoused for so many years in the TMO. the pathetic elitist attitude comes not from the Maharishi's message, but rather from their misunderstanding of reality, being locked into a dualistic perspective. Duality breeds conflict. It has nothing to do with the Maharishi's message.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of enlightened_dawn11 Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 11:13 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors the pathetic elitist attitude comes not from the Maharishi's message, but rather from their misunderstanding of reality, being locked into a dualistic perspective. Duality breeds conflict. It has nothing to do with the Maharishi's message. Maharishi was very much into hierarchies and establishing pecking orders, usually based on how much money one had. He also regarded the common man as incapable of making sensible decisions, hence his damning of democracy. He once said of the Labor Party in the UK, They are laborers. They shouldn't be running the government. Just give them a shovel and tell them where to dig.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of enlightened_dawn11 Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 11:13 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors the pathetic elitist attitude comes not from the Maharishi's message, but rather from their misunderstanding of reality, being locked into a dualistic perspective. Duality breeds conflict. It has nothing to do with the Maharishi's message. Maharishi was very much into hierarchies and establishing pecking orders, usually based on how much money one had. He also regarded the common man as incapable of making sensible decisions, hence his damning of democracy. He once said of the Labor Party in the UK, They are laborers. They shouldn't be running the government. Just give them a shovel and tell them where to dig. *** You are not capable of understanding what MMY said. Of course you don't hand the govt to oafs -- the current U.S. govt is proof that this is unwise. But MMY did not intend that people should be locked into low levels of life, lorded over by somebody. The whole point of the revival of Vedic wisdom (the centerpiece of which is TM, for unfolding total awareness for all individuals) is that people will be able to live happily without being administered by anybody: Highlights from the page below: there is no ruler, no ruled There is nothing to administer When there was lot of administration, there was a lot of controversy to be reconciled here and there and there so far. So for the assembly of mankind there was administration needed, but now today that administration will be just a name, and a name may show some shadow of it. But in reality the world is going to be administered on its own which is the ultimate level of, for want of a word we say, Being, Being, Being, Being. http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=1193940660953239 http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=1193940660953239 http://tinyurl.com/2sk9ax http://tinyurl.com/2sk9axCelebrating the tenth and final day of the global Coronation of six new Rajas of the Global Country of World Peace: Maharishi's address - Part II by Global Good News Staff Writer Global Good NewsTranslate This Article http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=1193940660953239#t\ ranslate 2 November 2007 During the second session on the tenth day of the global Coronation, Maharishi said, 'Today is the Puja [Vedic ceremony of gratitude] where that omniscient, omnipresent, almighty characteristic quality of the ruler of the ever-expanding universe is open to our awareness. . . . Now we are at the basis of the Constitution where the Constitution is applicable to oneself, and when Constitution is applicable to one's Self, there is no ruler, no ruledsimple Unity prevails.' At the beginning of his talk, Maharishi said, 'Jai Guru Dev. Jai Guru Dev. Jai Guru Dev. Today's Puja to Guru Dev* takes us completely, completely on the lap of Guru Dev. The supreme affection of Guru Dev, we are expressing, we are experiencing today, now, on this 10th Day of Purusha Coronation. Something concrete that is coming to our awarenessthe nature of Purusha, which was so far hidden by the divided eight Prakritis. Since yesterday, when we did the 9th day Puja of the Coronation, Paraprakriti** has been awakened in our awareness, Paraprakriti has been awakened on the experiential level of our awareness. 'This is Rishitau, the Sakshitau, the witnessing quality of our Self. It's difficult to say, but the reality is that the witnessing quality of our Self is in that warmth, in that absolute softness where silence is being crowned with dynamism, eternal silence with eternal dynamism, for eternal supreme quality of administration wherever administration is in our world, or in our heaven, wherever, wherever, wherever. 'Purusha***, being open to his own nature, and what is in the nature of Purusha? Pure silence, fully awake in itself, that wakefulness for which the Vedic expression is Yatah Raja''As is the Ruler, as is the administrator,'' Tatah Prajya''so is the administered.'' The process of administration and the administered come on a level that in itself is completely, eternally unified in its infinite diversity of the action principle. 'In the action principle there is an actor, process of acting, and the object of action. Three values are there, but three values in one awareness. That is the Purusha, Purusha, the eternal ruler of all dynamism, the eternal ruler of the ever-expanding diverse universe. The ruler in the oneness is omnipresent, omniscient. 'So today is the Puja where that omniscient, omnipresent, almighty characteristic quality of the ruler of the ever-expanding universe is open to our awareness. Puja at the feet of Guru Dev, with the Purusha, who are officially embarking upon
