[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: It's been a kind of revelation, realizing that random violence is *not* an ever-present possi- bility. I walk where I want, when I want, in all types of neighborhoods and at all hours of the night and day, and have never in 4-1/2 years felt as if there was the possibility of violence. After a lifetime of living in US cities where that awareness was rarely far away, especially at night, it's been really fascinating living in a place where it's just not a part of the environment. Oh, sure, there is the occasional violence and mugging in Europe, but I've never run into even a *hint* of it personally. The contrast has been quite interesting to try to get used to. I've never run into even a *hint* of it personally. In the US. In Asia. Or Europe. You are fortunate. During many of my years in Santa Fe I commuted to Detroit for consulting work. Not paying attention to where you're walk- ing in Detroit can earn you a new incarnation tout de suite. :-) Murder capital of the US at the time...more per year in that one city than France and Spain combined IIRC.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: snip THIS IS SHOTOKAN (that I learned, and these are just people trying to qualify for black belt or 2nd dan) http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZlAFJHEu8go Boy, to the utterly untrained eye, that's pretty darned impressive stuff. Exactly. Well said. This is fighting the way you like to debate, playing by the rules (especially if you get to make up the rules). In a real fight there are none. Please don't get me wrong...I *loved* Shotokan- style karate. But I found that there were more reality-based styles out there that taught what to do if you found yourself in a situation in which there is no referee and no rules and the other person really wants to do you harm. One is more applicable for theorhetical situa- tions; the other for (sadly, occasionally) real life. There are *definitely* some Shotokan karatekas who could kick ass in a real-life situation. But my five years in that study convinced me that for every one of them there are 20 who only believe that they could kick ass in a real-life situation. Kinda like TMers and their assessment of where they stand importance-wise in the cosmic scheme of things. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The videos on your tape were students in point matches and highly choreographed demos with people playing the part of an attacker but then giving no resistance and rolling out of the way when the master touched them. Ever try to flip someone using one hand who doesn't want to flip over? We are exactly 15 years too late for any argument about traditional karate styles, the issue has been settled in the ring by guys willing to put their traditions on the line to really find out what works. Any dojo that isn't cross training now is running an aerobics class. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Any attention on any martial art is great IMO. So high five for that. But comparing choreographed demos to challenge matches is not realistic. What he said. Especially the part about, Have you ever tried to flip someone who doesn't want to be flipped? Some strong lessons there for the Rajas who find the audiences they're speaking to less receptive than they expect them to be.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The videos on your tape were students in point matches and highly choreographed demos with people playing the part of an attacker but then giving no resistance and rolling out of the way when the master touched them. Ever try to flip someone using one hand who doesn't want to flip over? We are exactly 15 years too late for any argument about traditional karate styles, the issue has been settled in the ring by guys willing to put their traditions on the line to really find out what works. Any dojo that isn't cross training now is running an aerobics class. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Any attention on any martial art is great IMO. So high five for that. But comparing choreographed demos to challenge matches is not realistic. What he said. Especially the part about, Have you ever tried to flip someone who doesn't want to be flipped? Some strong lessons there for the Rajas who find the audiences they're speaking to less receptive than they expect them to be. I'll follow up on this because the more I think about it, the more parallels I see to the TM approach to meditation and self-discovery. Not only is the tradition not willing to put itself on the line with regard to proving its claims (except with arguably bogus science), it actively discourages any of its followers from ever *trying* any other tech- nique to do comparisons of their relative effectiveness themselves. Try another style of meditation as a TMer and you're out on your ass. And the remaining TB followers are actively discouraged from having anything to do with you. You hear things like, You can't believe anything they say -- they're Off The Program and thus obviously unstressing, and thus nothing they say can be believed. Or, They never really learned TM 'correctly' in the first place. The last buzzphrase really amuses me. The whole TM schtick is the effectiveness of its teaching method. Everyone gets the same perfect quality of instruction; the very purity of the teaching concept insures it. But it seems that whenever anyone who once learned TM expresses a preference for another style of medi- tation on this forum, several people pop out of the woodwork and claim that either these people never learned TM in the first place or (even more hilarious) that they learned incorrectly. The people who say this never seem to realize that if they really *believe* what they're saying, they are stating that they *don't* believe the TM claim that its teaching method is universally effective because of the purity of the teaching. In my case, whenever someone says that I never learned TM properly or never understood its dogma correctly, what they are saying is that my initiator (Jerry Jarvis) was a fuckup, and the person whose lectures I attended literally hundreds of hours of (Maharishi) was a fuckup. :-) Curtis' one-liner about Have you ever tried to throw someone who isn't willing to be thrown? is just *perfect* to describe the TMO environment. Almost all lectures are given to believers -- preaching to the converted. We've heard reports of the automaton-like applause given to almost anyone who says what the audience wants to hear. True Believers *want* to be thrown. It's like watching a public demonstration of Aikido, in which the teacher seemingly tosses his students around the mat effortlessly, without ever breaking a sweat. The truth about those demos is (having studied Aikido and participated in the charade myself) is that the students are *cooperating* with the throw. They are *anticipating* the throw and going with it, whether consciously or unconsciously. But I've seen what happens when my Aikido master tried his throws on a Jiu-Jitsu guy who *wasn't* cooperating. The Jiu-Jitsu guy just stood there, unmoved by the ki that the Aikido master was using. Now, since both of the guys in question were really *good* at what they did, the Jiu-Jitsu guy couldn't throw the Aikido guy EITHER, so they just danced around each other for awhile. But that's a stalemate, not a victory for either side. I'm just rappin' about this particular 'tude in the martial arts (My kung-fu is better than your kung-fu.) because I think it's an accurate parallel to the claims of best and highest path that come out of the TMO (or any other tradition that claims its path to be the best). In almost every case, when you look into it, there have never been anything BUT claims, by those who make them. And often, those who MAKE the claims go out of their way to make sure that their students never have any opportunity to validate the claims themselves. Making sure that anyone who tries is thrown out of the tradition and demonized to people still within it is a grand way of doing this. It would be an interesting thing in my opinion to have a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.
It would be an interesting thing in my opinion to have a Meditation Smack-down Match, in which advanced practitioners of several techniques sit in a room together and go for samadhi, each of them hooked up to EEG machines and other testing devices to see if anything is happening on any other level than the subjective. It would be fascinating to me to see who kicks ass in such a contest. Now that's entertainment! Excellent riffs off my odd exchange with Off. I'll give MMY credit for giving us criteria to judge the failure of his own program. No sidhi, no enlightenment. Now it seems to be fashionable to evade this clear connection and just go with inner feelings of expansion, evaluating coincidences or the ordinary weird stuff that happens in life, and very vivid imaginations, as signs of sidhis and enlightenment. Likewise point matches and choreographed demos ignore that for the last 50 years in Brazil there is a way to prove that your system of martial arts really works, Vale Tudo or no holds barred fighting matches. When it came to the US 15 years ago it revolutionized martial arts. It separated the posers from the fighters. It also created a sport that is the fastest growing sport in the world right now, mixed martial arts. Guys willing to actually test their theories in the ring. And the posers continue to give explanations about why they can't join the tests just as you predict the movement would in your Meditation Smack-down Match. Let's get ready to ruuumble! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The videos on your tape were students in point matches and highly choreographed demos with people playing the part of an attacker but then giving no resistance and rolling out of the way when the master touched them. Ever try to flip someone using one hand who doesn't want to flip over? We are exactly 15 years too late for any argument about traditional karate styles, the issue has been settled in the ring by guys willing to put their traditions on the line to really find out what works. Any dojo that isn't cross training now is running an aerobics class. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Any attention on any martial art is great IMO. So high five for that. But comparing choreographed demos to challenge matches is not realistic. What he said. Especially the part about, Have you ever tried to flip someone who doesn't want to be flipped? Some strong lessons there for the Rajas who find the audiences they're speaking to less receptive than they expect them to be. I'll follow up on this because the more I think about it, the more parallels I see to the TM approach to meditation and self-discovery. Not only is the tradition not willing to put itself on the line with regard to proving its claims (except with arguably bogus science), it actively discourages any of its followers from ever *trying* any other tech- nique to do comparisons of their relative effectiveness themselves. Try another style of meditation as a TMer and you're out on your ass. And the remaining TB followers are actively discouraged from having anything to do with you. You hear things like, You can't believe anything they say -- they're Off The Program and thus obviously unstressing, and thus nothing they say can be believed. Or, They never really learned TM 'correctly' in the first place. The last buzzphrase really amuses me. The whole TM schtick is the effectiveness of its teaching method. Everyone gets the same perfect quality of instruction; the very purity of the teaching concept insures it. But it seems that whenever anyone who once learned TM expresses a preference for another style of medi- tation on this forum, several people pop out of the woodwork and claim that either these people never learned TM in the first place or (even more hilarious) that they learned incorrectly. The people who say this never seem to realize that if they really *believe* what they're saying, they are stating that they *don't* believe the TM claim that its teaching method is universally effective because of the purity of the teaching. In my case, whenever someone says that I never learned TM properly or never understood its dogma correctly, what they are saying is that my initiator (Jerry Jarvis) was a fuckup, and the person whose lectures I attended literally hundreds of hours of (Maharishi) was a fuckup. :-) Curtis' one-liner about Have you ever tried to throw someone who isn't willing to be thrown? is just *perfect* to describe the TMO environment. Almost all lectures are given to believers -- preaching to the converted. We've heard reports of the automaton-like applause given
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be an interesting thing in my opinion to have a Meditation Smack-down Match, in which advanced practitioners of several techniques sit in a room together and go for samadhi, each of them hooked up to EEG machines and other testing devices to see if anything is happening on any other level than the subjective. It would be fascinating to me to see who kicks ass in such a contest. Now that's entertainment! Exactly. And *only* entertainment. I for one wouldn't really CARE who kicked ass or which technique comes out best. I'd just like to see it done so we could put all these My technique is better than your technique braggarts behind us once and for all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: snip THIS IS SHOTOKAN (that I learned, and these are just people trying to qualify for black belt or 2nd dan) http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZlAFJHEu8go Boy, to the utterly untrained eye, that's pretty darned impressive stuff. Exactly. Well said. This is fighting the way you like to debate, playing by the rules (especially if you get to make up the rules). In a real fight there are none. You might want to rethink that analogy. In a real fight, there's no question who won. What's the parallel, debate-wise, to a real fight? (Oh, and by the way, I don't make up the rules. They're quite well established. Making up the rules is something *you* do when you find it impossible to win under the accepted rules. Unfortunately, the result is that your win is made up as well.) snip There are *definitely* some Shotokan karatekas who could kick ass in a real-life situation. But my five years in that study convinced me that for every one of them there are 20 who only believe that they could kick ass in a real-life situation. Kinda like TMers and their assessment of where they stand importance-wise in the cosmic scheme of things. :-) You should probably be careful to say some TMers when you make generalizations like this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: It would be an interesting thing in my opinion to have a Meditation Smack-down Match, in which advanced practitioners of several techniques sit in a room together and go for samadhi, each of them hooked up to EEG machines and other testing devices to see if anything is happening on any other level than the subjective. It would be fascinating to me to see who kicks ass in such a contest. Now that's entertainment! Exactly. And *only* entertainment. I for one wouldn't really CARE who kicked ass or which technique comes out best. I'd just like to see it done so we could put all these My technique is better than your technique braggarts behind us once and for all. As far as I can tell, you are the ONLY ONE on here playing that particular game. You are the only one on here continuously driving the dichotomy between other seekers and your particular brand of spiritual correctness. So would this smack down really silence you? Methinks not. At all.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be an interesting thing in my opinion to have a Meditation Smack-down Match, in which advanced practitioners of several techniques sit in a room together and go for samadhi, each of them hooked up to EEG machines and other testing devices to see if anything is happening on any other level than the subjective. It would be fascinating to me to see who kicks ass in such a contest. Now that's entertainment! Excellent riffs off my odd exchange with Off. I'll give MMY credit for giving us criteria to judge the failure of his own program. No sidhi, no enlightenment. Now it seems to be fashionable to evade this clear connection and just go with inner feelings of expansion, evaluating coincidences or the ordinary weird stuff that happens in life, and very vivid imaginations, as signs of sidhis and enlightenment. LOL! good one! Yes, enlightenment is one big fantasy, designed to make those who have worked so hard to achieve this state feel good and disassociate from Reality! Whoo HA! See if you can sell that load of malarkey to someone-- oh wait, you just bought it-- LOL!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'll follow up on this because the more I think about it, the more parallels I see to the TM approach to meditation and self-discovery. Not only is the tradition not willing to put itself on the line with regard to proving its claims (except with arguably bogus science), And how would it put itself on the line except via science? it actively discourages any of its followers from ever *trying* any other tech- nique to do comparisons of their relative effectiveness themselves. Try another style of meditation as a TMer and you're out on your ass. And the remaining TB followers are actively discouraged from having anything to do with you. You hear things like, You can't believe anything they say -- they're Off The Program and thus obviously unstressing, and thus nothing they say can be believed. Have you heard things like this? I haven't. Or, They never really learned TM 'correctly' in the first place. The last buzzphrase really amuses me. The whole TM schtick is the effectiveness of its teaching method. Everyone gets the same perfect quality of instruction; the very purity of the teaching concept insures it. Actually, the instruction doesn't ensure anything. What it does is *minimize* the possibility of getting it wrong. But it seems that whenever anyone who once learned TM expresses a preference for another style of medi- tation on this forum, several people pop out of the woodwork and claim that either these people never learned TM in the first place or (even more hilarious) that they learned incorrectly. Actually, it depends on what the person who expressed the preference says to justify it. The people who say this never seem to realize that if they really *believe* what they're saying, they are stating that they *don't* believe the TM claim that its teaching method is universally effective because of the purity of the teaching. I've never heard such a claim from TM. Have you? In my case, whenever someone says that I never learned TM properly or never understood its dogma correctly, what they are saying is that my initiator (Jerry Jarvis) was a fuckup, and the person whose lectures I attended literally hundreds of hours of (Maharishi) was a fuckup. That sure isn't what *I'm* saying when I say you've never understood what MMy teaches. (I think you probably learned the technique correctly, but you never got why it's unique.) snip It would be an interesting thing in my opinion to have a Meditation Smack-down Match, in which advanced practitioners of several techniques sit in a room together and go for samadhi, each of them hooked up to EEG machines and other testing devices to see if anything is happening on any other level than the subjective. It would be fascinating to me to see who kicks ass in such a contest. It would be even more fascinating to see who refuses to participate. My bet is that the TM organization would be the first to send in its polite refusal. Possibly because anyone who is going for samadhi in their meditation wouldn't be practicing TM, don'cha think?
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LOL! good one! Yes, enlightenment is one big fantasy, designed to make those who have worked so hard to achieve this state feel good and disassociate from Reality! Whoo HA! See if you can sell that load of malarkey to someone-- oh wait, you just bought it-- LOL! I am just talking about the formulation of enlightenment by MMY. In his system sidhis are needed as sigh posts of enlightenment. No sidhis mastery, no enlightenment. I admire him for his lack of wiggle room about this connection. Anyone enlightened without sidhis is using a different system of evaluation from MMY. BTW do you believe that the rapture of Christianity is a fantasy? Same thing for me so far about enlightenment. But perhaps someone will hover in the air someday and I can happily amend my opinion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: It would be an interesting thing in my opinion to have a Meditation Smack-down Match, in which advanced practitioners of several techniques sit in a room together and go for samadhi, each of them hooked up to EEG machines and other testing devices to see if anything is happening on any other level than the subjective. It would be fascinating to me to see who kicks ass in such a contest. Now that's entertainment! Excellent riffs off my odd exchange with Off. I'll give MMY credit for giving us criteria to judge the failure of his own program. No sidhi, no enlightenment. Now it seems to be fashionable to evade this clear connection and just go with inner feelings of expansion, evaluating coincidences or the ordinary weird stuff that happens in life, and very vivid imaginations, as signs of sidhis and enlightenment. LOL! good one! Yes, enlightenment is one big fantasy, designed to make those who have worked so hard to achieve this state feel good and disassociate from Reality! Whoo HA! See if you can sell that load of malarkey to someone-- oh wait, you just bought it-- LOL!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: LOL! good one! Yes, enlightenment is one big fantasy, designed to make those who have worked so hard to achieve this state feel good and disassociate from Reality! Whoo HA! See if you can sell that load of malarkey to someone-- oh wait, you just bought it-- LOL! As did you apparently. Curtis being a particle of your / our self. A particle seeking, apparently, healing and wholeness. And you give your self / particle nothing but ridicule and derision. I must heal this you-particle of my self, for such aberrant behavior. Oh, nice particle, what has made you feel so maligned? What can we do to make you more whole, and for your to feel the Love? So that you can realign and be part of this wonderful wholeness, and not an isolated aberrant and non-caring, cutting derisive particle?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL! good one! Yes, enlightenment is one big fantasy, designed to make those who have worked so hard to achieve this state feel good and disassociate from Reality! Whoo HA! See if you can sell that load of malarkey to someone-- oh wait, you just bought it-- LOL! I am just talking about the formulation of enlightenment by MMY. In his system sidhis are needed as sigh posts of enlightenment. No sidhis mastery, no enlightenment. I admire him for his lack of wiggle room about this connection. Anyone enlightened without sidhis is using a different system of evaluation from MMY. BTW do you believe that the rapture of Christianity is a fantasy? Same thing for me so far about enlightenment. But perhaps someone will hover in the air someday and I can happily amend my opinion. And may the someone be Maria Sharipova, or Kiera Knightly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.
BTW do you believe that the rapture of Christianity is a fantasy? Same thing for me so far about enlightenment. But perhaps someone will hover in the air someday and I can happily amend my opinion. And may the someone be Maria Sharipova, or Kiera Knightly. And may they hover just above eye level... Brilliant dude! I'll bet it would take a lot less consciousness than it would to lift Bevan off the ground! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: LOL! good one! Yes, enlightenment is one big fantasy, designed to make those who have worked so hard to achieve this state feel good and disassociate from Reality! Whoo HA! See if you can sell that load of malarkey to someone-- oh wait, you just bought it-- LOL! I am just talking about the formulation of enlightenment by MMY. In his system sidhis are needed as sigh posts of enlightenment. No sidhis mastery, no enlightenment. I admire him for his lack of wiggle room about this connection. Anyone enlightened without sidhis is using a different system of evaluation from MMY. BTW do you believe that the rapture of Christianity is a fantasy? Same thing for me so far about enlightenment. But perhaps someone will hover in the air someday and I can happily amend my opinion. And may the someone be Maria Sharipova, or Kiera Knightly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL! good one! Yes, enlightenment is one big fantasy, designed to make those who have worked so hard to achieve this state feel good and disassociate from Reality! Whoo HA! See if you can sell that load of malarkey to someone-- oh wait, you just bought it-- LOL! I am just talking about the formulation of enlightenment by MMY. In his system sidhis are needed as sigh posts of enlightenment. No sidhis mastery, no enlightenment. I admire him for his lack of wiggle room about this connection. Anyone enlightened without sidhis is using a different system of evaluation from MMY. BTW do you believe that the rapture of Christianity is a fantasy? Same thing for me so far about enlightenment. But perhaps someone will hover in the air someday and I can happily amend my opinion. I doubt that very much Curtis. There are people on this forum that would and do renounce the reality of enlightenment, no matter what is presented to them. Why? Because all enlightenment is, is a radical departure from how we see ourselves in terms of our relationship with our universe; with no longer any stories or concepts filtering our immediate experience. That is a very threatening reality to many, despite in most cases their former years being supposedly committed to the dissolution of such stories and filters. As I like to say of such peoples' thinking, unbounded awareness is great, but enough is enough. So continue as you choose to doubt and question and challenge, and in general protect all that you think is yours. Make every statement in favor of enlightenment, here and now, a rebuttal of your precious and protected self. Define each statement in favor of eternal freedom, available right now, in terms of a strange dualistic concept, where everything stated as Real is found to be either above or below you, either inferior or superior. Continue to ridicule and cast doubt on those who have awakened to life's Reality. I see clearly that there is nothing to be done about it, unless and until you and others choose to literally change your minds and hearts. I have nothing to prove to you, nor do I write for your benefit, as you have amply demonstrated.
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On Nov 26, 2007, at 2:47 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: I doubt that very much Curtis. There are people on this forum that would and do renounce the reality of enlightenment, no matter what is presented to them. Why? Because all enlightenment is, is a radical departure from how we see ourselves in terms of our relationship with our universe; with no longer any stories or concepts filtering our immediate experience Or so the story goes.
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Is it possible to perceive the world without the filter of concepts? If that's the case, why does someone blind from birth who gains sight have to learn to see? Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 26, 2007, at 2:47 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: I doubt that very much Curtis. There are people on this forum that would and do renounce the reality of enlightenment, no matter what is presented to them. Why? Because all enlightenment is, is a radical departure from how we see ourselves in terms of our relationship with our universe; with no longer any stories or concepts filtering our immediate experience Or so the story goes. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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I thought about the particular passage Vaj has taken exception to when I wrote it, because I am making a relative comparison, not an absolute one. To say that enlightenment is a state where all prior knowledge disappears is not accurate, and this isn't what I meant. There seems to be a basic level of conceptual knowledge that is necessary for our fulflling existence. Thanks for the question. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to perceive the world without the filter of concepts? If that's the case, why does someone blind from birth who gains sight have to learn to see? Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 26, 2007, at 2:47 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: I doubt that very much Curtis. There are people on this forum that would and do renounce the reality of enlightenment, no matter what is presented to them. Why? Because all enlightenment is, is a radical departure from how we see ourselves in terms of our relationship with our universe; with no longer any stories or concepts filtering our immediate experience Or so the story goes.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The videos on your tape were students in point matches and highly choreographed demos with people playing the part of an attacker but then giving no resistance and rolling out of the way when the master touched them. Ever try to flip someone using one hand who doesn't want to flip over? We are exactly 15 years too late for any argument about traditional karate styles, the issue has been settled in the ring by guys willing to put their traditions on the line to really find out what works. Any dojo that isn't cross training now is running an aerobics class. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Any attention on any martial art is great IMO. So high five for that. But comparing choreographed demos to challenge matches is not realistic. What he said. Especially the part about, Have you ever tried to flip someone who doesn't want to be flipped? No, it is very easy for the properly trained person and takes no strength at all. OffWorld
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On Nov 26, 2007, at 3:18 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: I thought about the particular passage Vaj has taken exception to when I wrote it, because I am making a relative comparison, not an absolute one. To say that enlightenment is a state where all prior knowledge disappears is not accurate, and this isn't what I meant. There seems to be a basic level of conceptual knowledge that is necessary for our fulflling existence. Thanks for the question. It wasn't a question, it was a comment. Thoughts or emotions don't stop per se, but in the higher bodhisattva levels emotional and cognitive obscurations (Skt.: avarana) are lost forever. This is the POV of a gradual path (not a sudden path, although a sudden path (or pathless path) would naturally contain all the bodhisattva levels nonetheless). In a gradual path, eventually you lose a certain type of thought (or style of thought).
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: It would be an interesting thing in my opinion to have a Meditation Smack-down Match, in which advanced practitioners of several techniques sit in a room together and go for samadhi, each of them hooked up to EEG machines and other testing devices to see if anything is happening on any other level than the subjective. It would be fascinating to me to see who kicks ass in such a contest. Now that's entertainment! Exactly. And *only* entertainment. I for one wouldn't really CARE who kicked ass or which technique comes out best. I'd just like to see it done so we could put all these My technique is better than your technique braggarts behind us once and for all. As far as I can tell, you are the ONLY ONE on here playing that particular game. You are the only one on here continuously driving the dichotomy between other seekers and your particular brand of spiritual correctness. So would this smack down really silence you? Methinks not. At all. Excellent point Jim. Totally spot on. The man is thinks FFL is a version of the game show Survivor. Hey Turq, I've got news for you. There's no million dollars prize money ( Rick should have told him that at least ) OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually Mainstream, if you were not so stupid, and stopped thinking that your silly whining comments on FFl have any value, meaning, or effect in the world ...at all... ...then, you the might be smart enough to realize that it is YOU who said all those things about yourself. Bw ha ha ! Alas, you are not smart enough for that, therefore you are consigned to the garbage can of history with the rest of the 20th century neanderthals that never made it into the new era. And people claim that those involved in spiritual groups or New Age groups aren't the types who would get involved in fascistic or authoritarian systems. Get over it. Give Off a Brown Shirt and he'd have fit right in to 1930s Germany.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Actually Mainstream, if you were not so stupid, and stopped thinking that your silly whining comments on FFl have any value, meaning, or effect in the world ...at all... ...then, you the might be smart enough to realize that it is YOU who said all those things about yourself. Bw ha ha ! Alas, you are not smart enough for that, therefore you are consigned to the garbage can of history with the rest of the 20th century neanderthals that never made it into the new era. And people claim that those involved in spiritual groups or New Age groups aren't the types who would get involved in fascistic or authoritarian systems. Get over it. Give Off a Brown Shirt and he'd have fit right in to 1930s Germany. Yes, I am blonde haired, blue eyed and beautiful too. Cheer up. I'm just playin' wit ya. This is just a game. OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why would anyone listen to people who are saying they were s stupid in the past but now are correct, and we should listen to you? Ain't gonna happen people. Hate to bust your bubble folks, but no- one is listening to your whining Vaj, Turq., Mainstream, Shemp, etc. Keep whining about how you made such huge mistakes in your life and were really really stupid in the past and told everyone to listen to you back then, but now everyone should listen to you now. ROFLMAO ! Bunch of old jokers. No one is listening to your baby whining. OffWorld There must be something of value in the message of criticism of the TMO, for the messengers are attacked thusly: these people made huge mistakes made bad decisions made fools of themselves... and wasted yearsstupid mistake of theirsjackals here are saying... you idiots... they were s stupid... you made such huge mistakes in your life... were really really stupid... Actually Mainstream, if you were not so stupid, and stopped thinking that your silly whining comments on FFl have any value, meaning, or effect in the world ...at all... ...then, you the might be smart enough to realize that it is YOU who said all those things about yourself. Bw ha ha ! Alas, you are not smart enough for that, therefore you are consigned to the garbage can of history with the rest of the 20th century neanderthals that never made it into the new era. OffWorld Judge, jury, and executioner ensuring obedience to the royal rule of rajas. May your permanent delusion of grandeur limit your range of influence to the frozen, barren, formerly productive corn fields now known as MVC. Cheer up. I'm just playin' wit ya. This is just a game. Well, see you folks, I'm off skiing for the the day, no snow at my house but plenty in the mountains here in Vermont. Wooh ! OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Actually Mainstream, if you were not so stupid, and stopped thinking that your silly whining comments on FFl have any value, meaning, or effect in the world ...at all... ...then, you the might be smart enough to realize that it is YOU who said all those things about yourself. Bw ha ha ! Alas, you are not smart enough for that, therefore you are consigned to the garbage can of history with the rest of the 20th century neanderthals that never made it into the new era. And people claim that those involved in spiritual groups or New Age groups aren't the types who would get involved in fascistic or authoritarian systems. Get over it. Give Off a Brown Shirt and he'd have fit right in to 1930s Germany. Yes, I am blonde haired, blue eyed and beautiful too. Cheer up. I'm just playin' wit ya. This is just a game. Your game also tends to involve, after several exchanges, challenging anyone who pushes your buttons and disagrees with you to a fist fight. They'd all kick your ass, of course, but still it's pretty classic Brown Shirt behavior.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Actually Mainstream, if you were not so stupid, and stopped thinking that your silly whining comments on FFl have any value, meaning, or effect in the world ...at all... ...then, you the might be smart enough to realize that it is YOU who said all those things about yourself. Bw ha ha ! Alas, you are not smart enough for that, therefore you are consigned to the garbage can of history with the rest of the 20th century neanderthals that never made it into the new era. And people claim that those involved in spiritual groups or New Age groups aren't the types who would get involved in fascistic or authoritarian systems. Get over it. Give Off a Brown Shirt and he'd have fit right in to 1930s Germany. Yes, I am blonde haired, blue eyed and beautiful too. Cheer up. I'm just playin' wit ya. This is just a game. Your game also tends to involve, after several exchanges, challenging anyone who pushes your buttons and disagrees with you to a fist fight. They'd all kick your ass, of course, but still it's pretty classic Brown Shirt behavior. Barry, who insists he himself is never to be taken seriously, has always had a bit of a problem recognizing when others don't intend for themselves to be taken seriously.
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Rory Goff writes snipped: But to know itself as Self is not like any other knowledge, which is indeed dualistic and based on a comparison, on an either-or discrimination. That's why this Self-knowledge is so mind-blowing -- literally. It is so ordinary and so special, so still and so dynamic, so Dead and so Alive, so *this* and so *that* -- so slippery, so concrete, so in- your-face paradoxical. Literally unimaginable, literally unspeakable. Yet it IS; I AM. Discrimination cannot capture it; discrimination can only surrender awe-struck. TomT: From Jean Klein Transmission of the Flame page 65 ...We have very often repeated that the seeker is the sought. An object is a fraction; it appears in your wholeness, in your globality. When you really come to the understanding that the seeker is the sought, there is a natural giving-up of all energy to find something. It is an instantaneous apperception. I don't say perception, because in perception there is a perceiver and something perceived. An apperception is an instantaneous perceiving of what is perceiving. So it can never be in relation of subject-object, just as an eye can never see its own seeing. ...you will find a glimpse of non-subject-object relationship. This glimpse is seen with your whole intelligence, which is there in the absence of the person, the thinker, the doer. Understanding, being the understanding, is enlightenment
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TomT: From Jean Klein Transmission of the Flame page 65 snip Understanding, being the understanding, is enlightenment YES -- Understanding is probably a better word than Knowledge as Now we both figuratively and literally Under-stand ourSelf, and it is truly and simply a whole-body BEing. It is the rock-solid bottom of the inquiry, Under-standing itSelf :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Actually Mainstream, if you were not so stupid, and stopped thinking that your silly whining comments on FFl have any value, meaning, or effect in the world ...at all... ...then, you the might be smart enough to realize that it is YOU who said all those things about yourself. Bw ha ha ! Alas, you are not smart enough for that, therefore you are consigned to the garbage can of history with the rest of the 20th century neanderthals that never made it into the new era. And people claim that those involved in spiritual groups or New Age groups aren't the types who would get involved in fascistic or authoritarian systems. Get over it. Give Off a Brown Shirt and he'd have fit right in to 1930s Germany. Yes, I am blonde haired, blue eyed and beautiful too. Cheer up. I'm just playin' wit ya. This is just a game. Your game also tends to involve, after several exchanges, challenging anyone who pushes your buttons and disagrees with you to a fist fight. Yea right. You are the only one that has made the most henious, disgusting, childish, practically libalous, statements to people on this forum. (Don't make me post them again;-) They'd all kick your ass, of course, but still it's pretty classic Brown Shirt behavior. Uhu, unlikely. ( 3 years of intense karate training, full blooded perfect health, Scottish with a tinge of English just for measure, and not one ounce of fear within this physique. How about you? ) But by the way, don't forget you are way more of a Ru now, than I will ever be. But cheer up, I'm just playin' wit' ya (like a cat playin' with the mouse) Have a nice day, I'm just taking a break between skiing up in Vermont. It's awesome, wish you were here. Luv from Tommy. OffWorld as usual.
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Uhu, unlikely. ( 3 years of intense karate training, full blooded perfect health, Scottish with a tinge of English just for measure, and not one ounce of fear within this physique. How about you? ) So how's your ground game? Seen any UFCs in the last decade? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Actually Mainstream, if you were not so stupid, and stopped thinking that your silly whining comments on FFl have any value, meaning, or effect in the world ...at all... ...then, you the might be smart enough to realize that it is YOU who said all those things about yourself. Bw ha ha ! Alas, you are not smart enough for that, therefore you are consigned to the garbage can of history with the rest of the 20th century neanderthals that never made it into the new era. And people claim that those involved in spiritual groups or New Age groups aren't the types who would get involved in fascistic or authoritarian systems. Get over it. Give Off a Brown Shirt and he'd have fit right in to 1930s Germany. Yes, I am blonde haired, blue eyed and beautiful too. Cheer up. I'm just playin' wit ya. This is just a game. Your game also tends to involve, after several exchanges, challenging anyone who pushes your buttons and disagrees with you to a fist fight. Yea right. You are the only one that has made the most henious, disgusting, childish, practically libalous, statements to people on this forum. (Don't make me post them again;-) They'd all kick your ass, of course, but still it's pretty classic Brown Shirt behavior. Uhu, unlikely. ( 3 years of intense karate training, full blooded perfect health, Scottish with a tinge of English just for measure, and not one ounce of fear within this physique. How about you? ) But by the way, don't forget you are way more of a Ru now, than I will ever be. But cheer up, I'm just playin' wit' ya (like a cat playin' with the mouse) Have a nice day, I'm just taking a break between skiing up in Vermont. It's awesome, wish you were here. Luv from Tommy. OffWorld as usual.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uhu, unlikely. ( 3 years of intense karate training, full blooded perfect health, Scottish with a tinge of English just for measure, and not one ounce of fear within this physique. How about you? ) So how's your ground game? Seen any UFCs in the last decade? Shotokan, not yer sloppy bar-room brawlers. Shotokan: True karate is this: that in daily life one's mind and body be trained and developed in a spirit of humility, and that in critical times, one be devoted utterly to the cause of justice. --Gichin Funakoshi OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Uhu, unlikely. ( 3 years of intense karate training, full blooded perfect health, Scottish with a tinge of English just for measure, and not one ounce of fear within this physique. How about you? ) Yes. But are you Invincible? Do you have no enemies (e.g., people who think you are an angry, egotistical, potty mouth?) Have you created a field where no such enemies could ever arise?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Uhu, unlikely. ( 3 years of intense karate training, full blooded perfect health, Scottish with a tinge of English just for measure, and not one ounce of fear within this physique. How about you? ) So how's your ground game? Seen any UFCs in the last decade? Shotokan, not yer sloppy bar-room brawlers. Shotakan is a venerable ancient art. Certainly better than barroom brawlers. However it doesn't work as well on the ground as the technical fighters in mixed martial arts in UFC have discovered. Here is an example of how it looks: http://youtube.com/watch?v=W-SltgKQHDUfeature=related Here is Shotokan specifically: http://youtube.com/watch?v=NWegy3_mhLE This is not to say that you aren't a total badass. Warrior spirit goes a long way. But the evolution of mixed martial arts is really amazing. All the top fighters these days are crosstrained in Thai boxing for striking, Brazilian Ju-jitsu for ground game and wrestling for take downs and position control. You might enjoy a UFC. I think you would find it is a long way from the bar room. Shotokan: True karate is this: that in daily life one's mind and body be trained and developed in a spirit of humility, and that in critical times, one be devoted utterly to the cause of justice. --Gichin Funakoshi OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Uhu, unlikely. ( 3 years of intense karate training, full blooded perfect health, Scottish with a tinge of English just for measure, and not one ounce of fear within this physique. How about you? ) Yes. But are you Invincible? Do you have no enemies (e.g., people who think you are an angry, egotistical, potty mouth?) Have you created a field where no such enemies could ever arise? Hey, um put up your dukes, um, anagitam.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Shotokan, not yer sloppy bar-room brawlers. Shotakan is a venerable ancient art. Certainly better than barroom brawlers. However it doesn't work as well on the ground as the technical fighters in mixed martial arts in UFC have discovered. Here is an example of how it looks: http://youtube.com/watch?v=W-SltgKQHDUfeature=related Here is Shotokan specifically: http://youtube.com/watch?v=NWegy3_mhLE This is not to say that you aren't a total badass. Warrior spirit goes a long way. But the evolution of mixed martial arts is really amazing. All the top fighters these days are crosstrained in Thai boxing for striking, Brazilian Ju-jitsu for ground game and wrestling for take downs and position control. You might enjoy a UFC. I think you would find it is a long way from the bar room. Having studied Shotokan for a number of years before investigating other styles, I have to agree with Curtis about its applicability in the real world. It's similar to what someone said about Maharishi and the Rajas earlier today -- the idea of being able to fight is a great deal more important than being able to fight.
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Having studied Shotokan for a number of years before investigating other styles, I have to agree with Curtis about its applicability in the real world. It's similar to what someone said about Maharishi and the Rajas earlier today -- the idea of being able to fight is a great deal more important than being able to fight. With UFC now more popular among the under 35 demographic than football, the chances of finding the old windmill style bar fighter may be over. Since I spend some time around alcohol and testosterone in my work I would never count on my Jiu Jitsu training in a public place. My favorite plan B after not mouthing off is a Kubaton. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubotan I learned about it from a cop and it is a good plan B. Great for ladies to carry on their key chain too. Strikes are just not reliable, but with this you have some stun power. I always have one in my hand on the way to my car at night. Of course I also have a plan C but discussing it would be very uncool... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Shotokan, not yer sloppy bar-room brawlers. Shotakan is a venerable ancient art. Certainly better than barroom brawlers. However it doesn't work as well on the ground as the technical fighters in mixed martial arts in UFC have discovered. Here is an example of how it looks: http://youtube.com/watch?v=W-SltgKQHDUfeature=related Here is Shotokan specifically: http://youtube.com/watch?v=NWegy3_mhLE This is not to say that you aren't a total badass. Warrior spirit goes a long way. But the evolution of mixed martial arts is really amazing. All the top fighters these days are crosstrained in Thai boxing for striking, Brazilian Ju-jitsu for ground game and wrestling for take downs and position control. You might enjoy a UFC. I think you would find it is a long way from the bar room. Having studied Shotokan for a number of years before investigating other styles, I have to agree with Curtis about its applicability in the real world. It's similar to what someone said about Maharishi and the Rajas earlier today -- the idea of being able to fight is a great deal more important than being able to fight.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having studied Shotokan for a number of years before investigating other styles, I have to agree with Curtis about its applicability in the real world. It's similar to what someone said about Maharishi and the Rajas earlier today -- the idea of being able to fight is a great deal more important than being able to fight. With UFC now more popular among the under 35 demographic than football, the chances of finding the old windmill style bar fighter may be over. Since I spend some time around alcohol and testosterone in my work I would never count on my Jiu Jitsu training in a public place. My favorite plan B after not mouthing off is a Kubaton. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubotan I learned about it from a cop and it is a good plan B. Great for ladies to carry on their key chain too. Strikes are just not reliable, but with this you have some stun power. I always have one in my hand on the way to my car at night. Of course I also have a plan C but discussing it would be very uncool... Just as input, from someone who studied martial arts for over a decade and, in the US, always had some aspect of my attention keeping a lookout for potential danger, it's been interesting to live in Europe for the last four and a half years. I can honestly that not *once* in all that time has there been any necessity to reserve any part of my attention for scanning for danger, much less carrying a weapon of any kind. It's been a kind of revelation, realizing that random violence is *not* an ever-present possi- bility. I walk where I want, when I want, in all types of neighborhoods and at all hours of the night and day, and have never in 4-1/2 years felt as if there was the possibility of violence. After a lifetime of living in US cities where that awareness was rarely far away, especially at night, it's been really fascinating living in a place where it's just not a part of the environment. Oh, sure, there is the occasional violence and mugging in Europe, but I've never run into even a *hint* of it personally. The contrast has been quite interesting to try to get used to.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having studied Shotokan for a number of years before investigating other styles, I have to agree with Curtis about its applicability in the real world. It's similar to what someone said about Maharishi and the Rajas earlier today -- the idea of being able to fight is a great deal more important than being able to fight. With UFC now more popular among the under 35 demographic than football, the chances of finding the old windmill style bar fighter may be over. Since I spend some time around alcohol and testosterone in my work I would never count on my Jiu Jitsu training in a public place. My favorite plan B after not mouthing off Well if Invincibility and not creating enemies doesn't work, I would of course try, Plan B, Turn the other check. As for your stuff, mmy said, watch for what these chineese boys do. Direct quote. More in reference to chineese medicine -- but I am sure he meant it to apply across the board. Plan C -- well a rip roaring lecture to my assailants on the bad karma they were creating could be really powerful. Plan D -- well, if I could manage to get them under a vat of hot sessame oil, to drp on their forehead, I am sure that the anger and tension would simply instantly vanish. And we would become great chums. Plan E, wave my hand, full of jyotish woo woo ray gems and gold. That ought to work just fine. Plan F, Bashti!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been a kind of revelation, realizing that random violence is *not* an ever-present possi- bility. I walk where I want, when I want, in all types of neighborhoods and at all hours of the night and day, and have never in 4-1/2 years felt as if there was the possibility of violence. After a lifetime of living in US cities where that awareness was rarely far away, especially at night, it's been really fascinating living in a place where it's just not a part of the environment. Oh, sure, there is the occasional violence and mugging in Europe, but I've never run into even a *hint* of it personally. The contrast has been quite interesting to try to get used to. I've never run into even a *hint* of it personally. In the US. In Asia. Or Europe. Though once when a vendor led me through the extensive, 4 foot wide maze of alleys, with large bulls with larger horns, in Benares, at night, I was thinking I could easily disappear and never surface again. But, no problemo. The lack of contrast has not been very interesting, nothing to get used to. Maybe i should move to some of the finer cities you inhabited. (Or was the danger usually from the husband or bf coming home at 3am?)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Uhu, unlikely. ( 3 years of intense karate training, full blooded perfect health, Scottish with a tinge of English just for measure, and not one ounce of fear within this physique. How about you? ) So how's your ground game? Seen any UFCs in the last decade? Shotokan, not yer sloppy bar-room brawlers. Shotakan is a venerable ancient art. Certainly better than barroom brawlers. However it doesn't work as well on the ground as the technical fighters in mixed martial arts in UFC have discovered. Here is an example of how it looks: http://youtube.com/watch?v=W-SltgKQHDUfeature=related Here is Shotokan specifically: http://youtube.com/watch?v=NWegy3_mhLE DUDE ! 'scuse me butTHAT IS NOT SHOTOKAN ! ! I don't WTF that is. but is NOTHING like Shotokan. There is ABSOLUTELY NO wrestling in Shotokan. All strikes are from a distance, and a Shotakan master would annihilate those UFC people ESPECIALLY if it was in a real situation, because the Shotokan black belt in sparring HAS to hold back 99% of their annihilation power so as not to kill someone. THIS IS SHOTOKAN (that I learned, and these are just people trying to qualify for black belt or 2nd dan) http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZlAFJHEu8go OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Uhu, unlikely. ( 3 years of intense karate training, full blooded perfect health, Scottish with a tinge of English just for measure, and not one ounce of fear within this physique. How about you? ) Yes. But are you Invincible? Do you have no enemies (e.g., people who think you are an angry, egotistical, potty mouth?) Have you created a field where no such enemies could ever arise? No, because I am the enem-er, and the enem-ee, both. (it is Turq that is the third category, the enima) OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Shotokan, not yer sloppy bar-room brawlers. Shotakan is a venerable ancient art. Certainly better than barroom brawlers. However it doesn't work as well on the ground as the technical fighters in mixed martial arts in UFC have discovered. Here is an example of how it looks: http://youtube.com/watch?v=W-SltgKQHDUfeature=related Here is Shotokan specifically: http://youtube.com/watch?v=NWegy3_mhLE This is not to say that you aren't a total badass. Warrior spirit goes a long way. But the evolution of mixed martial arts is really amazing. All the top fighters these days are crosstrained in Thai boxing for striking, Brazilian Ju-jitsu for ground game and wrestling for take downs and position control. You might enjoy a UFC. I think you would find it is a long way from the bar room. Having studied Shotokan for a number of years before investigating other styles, I have to agree with Curtis about its applicability in the real world. It's similar to what someone said about Maharishi and the Rajas earlier today -- the idea of being able to fight is a great deal more important than being able to fight. True, which is like the quote I posted in the beginning: True karate is this: that in daily life one's mind and body be trained and developed in a spirit of humility, and that in critical times, one be devoted utterly to the cause of justice. --Gichin Funakoshi ... but if you think those videos that Curtis posted are Shotokan, then you know nothing of Shotokan as you claimed. Those videos Curt posted are an insult to Shotokan. THIS IS SHOTOKAN (that I learned, and these are just people trying to qualify for black belt or 2nd dan) http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZlAFJHEu8go OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in daily life one's mind and body be trained and developed in a spirit of humility, Yup. Describes you perfectly.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: in daily life one's mind and body be trained and developed in a spirit of humility, Yup. Describes you perfectly. No , I failed the test, so I took up TM. That failed that too. So fuck it, humility is for the dogs. Good luck with that. OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Uhu, unlikely. ( 3 years of intense karate training, full blooded perfect health, Scottish with a tinge of English just for measure, and not one ounce of fear within this physique. How about you? ) Yes. But are you Invincible? Do you have no enemies (e.g., people who think you are an angry, egotistical, potty mouth?) Have you created a field where no such enemies could ever arise? Tell that to Arjunalol !3 million people drawn up on the battlefield ready for COMPLETE anihilation, and he is in the middle of it prayin' to jesus for help. OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip THIS IS SHOTOKAN (that I learned, and these are just people trying to qualify for black belt or 2nd dan) http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZlAFJHEu8go Boy, to the utterly untrained eye, that's pretty darned impressive stuff.
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... but if you think those videos that Curtis posted are Shotokan, then you know nothing of Shotokan as you claimed. Those videos Curt posted are an insult to Shotokan. THIS IS SHOTOKAN (that I learned, and these are just people trying to qualify for black belt or 2nd dan) http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZlAFJHEu8go I thought you were a pro science guy. You know peer reviewed studies? The review of martial arts has been settled in the octagon ring. The videos I showed were challenge matches by brave Shotokan fighters against a martial art designed to counter striking arts by grappling. I have nothing but respect for those guys. The guys who hide in dojos and never test their system should be washing their GIs. The videos on your tape were students in point matches and highly choreographed demos with people playing the part of an attacker but then giving no resistance and rolling out of the way when the master touched them. Ever try to flip someone using one hand who doesn't want to flip over? We are exactly 15 years too late for any argument about traditional karate styles, the issue has been settled in the ring by guys willing to put their traditions on the line to really find out what works. Any dojo that isn't cross training now is running an aerobics class. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Any attention on any martial art is great IMO. So high five for that. But comparing choreographed demos to challenge matches is not realistic. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Shotokan, not yer sloppy bar-room brawlers. Shotakan is a venerable ancient art. Certainly better than barroom brawlers. However it doesn't work as well on the ground as the technical fighters in mixed martial arts in UFC have discovered. Here is an example of how it looks: http://youtube.com/watch?v=W-SltgKQHDUfeature=related Here is Shotokan specifically: http://youtube.com/watch?v=NWegy3_mhLE This is not to say that you aren't a total badass. Warrior spirit goes a long way. But the evolution of mixed martial arts is really amazing. All the top fighters these days are crosstrained in Thai boxing for striking, Brazilian Ju-jitsu for ground game and wrestling for take downs and position control. You might enjoy a UFC. I think you would find it is a long way from the bar room. Having studied Shotokan for a number of years before investigating other styles, I have to agree with Curtis about its applicability in the real world. It's similar to what someone said about Maharishi and the Rajas earlier today -- the idea of being able to fight is a great deal more important than being able to fight. True, which is like the quote I posted in the beginning: True karate is this: that in daily life one's mind and body be trained and developed in a spirit of humility, and that in critical times, one be devoted utterly to the cause of justice. --Gichin Funakoshi ... but if you think those videos that Curtis posted are Shotokan, then you know nothing of Shotokan as you claimed. Those videos Curt posted are an insult to Shotokan. THIS IS SHOTOKAN (that I learned, and these are just people trying to qualify for black belt or 2nd dan) http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZlAFJHEu8go OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought you were a pro science guy. You know peer reviewed studies? The review of martial arts has been settled in the octagon ring. The videos I showed were challenge matches by brave Shotokan fighters against a martial art designed to counter striking arts by grappling. You have absolutley no understanding of martial arts. You cannot compare the grappler to the Shotokan fighter. It would be like comparing a bicyle to a race car with no gas in it. Sure the bucycle will win ...LOL...what a joke. You have no understanding of martial arts. In Shotokan the Shotokan fighters KNOW that once ONE strike is made the fight is stopped, for a few seconds, because the Shotokan expert knows that if you put your full trained force behind it then the guy would be dead or severely knocked over. You cannot compare a Shotokan fighter to any of those other styles. They stop the Shotokan fight instantly for a second or two, you see it in this video below, the untrained eye does not see that the fight is stopped for a second or two every few seconds of fighting becasue a point was given, and the Shotokan people KNOW that that IS A VERY SERIOUS BLOW if full force were given. It never is given in the sparring. Only mild representaions of it. Therefore your idiots on the UFC stuff etc. have no clue about the reality of it, that is why a Shotokan sparring match stops the fight after one strike, but many of the other martial arts do not appear to understand this, so they continue the fight as if nothing happened. Lol !...the Shotokan fighter has knocked your stupid head off and you don't even know it because you know so LITTLE about true martial arts. There is no way inder the sun that a grappler will get near an expert in Shotokan. It is over before the grappler knows what has happened. You need to watch this next video to understand that SHotokan dominates the world of martial arts...by far. Don't discuss this anymore with me until you watch this and understand why the fight is stopped every few seconds...because they are trained to kill someone with one SINGLE blow. http://youtube.com/watch?v=292RJFjGCKAfeature=related OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Uhu, unlikely. ( 3 years of intense karate training, full blooded perfect health, Scottish with a tinge of English just for measure, and not one ounce of fear within this physique. How about you? ) Yes. But are you Invincible? Do you have no enemies (e.g., people who think you are an angry, egotistical, potty mouth?) Have you created a field where no such enemies could ever arise? Hey, um put up your dukes, um, anagitam. Punning in Sanskrit ;) JohnY
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I am very familiar with full contact tournaments. They have many more rules than a mixed martial arts matches. It is a great sport. But we started the discussion about actual fighting without rules about takedowns. One punch one kill is a fantasy perpetuated by people who stay our of the Octagon. Hitting someone who doesn't want to get hit is actually very hard. Ever spar with a boxer? All that straight line traditional attack stuff gets stuffed fast. There is no way inder the sun that a grappler will get near an expert in Shotokan. It is over before the grappler knows what has happened. This theory has been falsified many times over. If you are close enough to strike, you are close enough to be taken down. Don't watch UFC 1-6 if you want to keep your illusions in place. All the one strike boys end up on the grown tapping out before they pass out. it is not that people can't be knocked out by one punch. Sure they can. Its just that it isn't easy to do while someone is taking you to the ground. Now that all the strikers are cross trained in boxing and Muay Thai the effectiveness of the traditional karate strikes are very limited. Just watch the videos of people actually using the techniques you are theorizing about. You talk a good game about scientific studies but you are an fantasist. But prove me wrong. I have provided video references for my POV. Show me some examples of strikers staying on their feet against someone who wants them on the ground. Like I said the jury has been in for over a decade on this issue. You are arguing a flat world theory. All serious martial arts schools do cross training unless they are traditionalist who don't do challenge matches. Shotokan people KNOW that that IS A VERY SERIOUS BLOW if full force were given. It never is given in the sparring. Oh reaallly! I know all about matches. Now show me how Shotakan People KNOW this if they don't ever do it in full contact, full power fights like in UFC? Actually some brave karate master have. They were willing to learn the truth. But as I am finding out, that isn't your interest is it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I thought you were a pro science guy. You know peer reviewed studies? The review of martial arts has been settled in the octagon ring. The videos I showed were challenge matches by brave Shotokan fighters against a martial art designed to counter striking arts by grappling. You have absolutley no understanding of martial arts. You cannot compare the grappler to the Shotokan fighter. It would be like comparing a bicyle to a race car with no gas in it. Sure the bucycle will win ...LOL...what a joke. You have no understanding of martial arts. In Shotokan the Shotokan fighters KNOW that once ONE strike is made the fight is stopped, for a few seconds, because the Shotokan expert knows that if you put your full trained force behind it then the guy would be dead or severely knocked over. You cannot compare a Shotokan fighter to any of those other styles. They stop the Shotokan fight instantly for a second or two, you see it in this video below, the untrained eye does not see that the fight is stopped for a second or two every few seconds of fighting becasue a point was given, and the Shotokan people KNOW that that IS A VERY SERIOUS BLOW if full force were given. It never is given in the sparring. Only mild representaions of it. Therefore your idiots on the UFC stuff etc. have no clue about the reality of it, that is why a Shotokan sparring match stops the fight after one strike, but many of the other martial arts do not appear to understand this, so they continue the fight as if nothing happened. Lol !...the Shotokan fighter has knocked your stupid head off and you don't even know it because you know so LITTLE about true martial arts. There is no way inder the sun that a grappler will get near an expert in Shotokan. It is over before the grappler knows what has happened. You need to watch this next video to understand that SHotokan dominates the world of martial arts...by far. Don't discuss this anymore with me until you watch this and understand why the fight is stopped every few seconds...because they are trained to kill someone with one SINGLE blow. http://youtube.com/watch?v=292RJFjGCKAfeature=related OffWorld
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This seems to be a quite powerful and apt analogy to spiritual traditions and their one punch knockouts of ignorance and bondage. A UFC of masters of pure traditions would be interesting. More to the point would be having them come up against cross-training masters. I liked the story Jerry used to tell of sadhus on the baks of the Ganges, jumping in with their dohti or robes, and the sitting on the banks, in contests with each other, to see who could dry their clothes fastest from eternal heat from their bodies. Perhaps way to crude and earthy a demonstration for pure consciousness junkies. But on a day that Sankara uses a brilliantly discusses the dynamics of duality within unity based on a analogy of a wet dream, a little earthiness in spiritual matters seems fitting. Hook up 10 masters to real time brain imaging machines, results displayed on huge high definition wall panels in the collosium, an them them, in peace and brotherly love, have at. Who can create cosmic brain images fastest. Create the most stable. Create them in others via transmission. I can't wait to see those trash talking cross-training yogis swagger into the stadium and strut their stuff. Hey Mr South indian yogi man, I will eat your blissful samadi for lunch! And show you the all powerful punch of Shatki Love before your most blessed head hits the mat. i have the power of 10 indras to hold absolute and relative together in Brahman. Namaste. No you most venerable, yet deluded one. I will dance like shiva on your chest as you lay prone why all the devas chant in sorrow yet joy for your most blessed mahsamadi. Namaste --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am very familiar with full contact tournaments. They have many more rules than a mixed martial arts matches. It is a great sport. But we started the discussion about actual fighting without rules about takedowns. One punch one kill is a fantasy perpetuated by people who stay our of the Octagon. Hitting someone who doesn't want to get hit is actually very hard. Ever spar with a boxer? All that straight line traditional attack stuff gets stuffed fast. There is no way inder the sun that a grappler will get near an expert in Shotokan. It is over before the grappler knows what has happened. This theory has been falsified many times over. If you are close enough to strike, you are close enough to be taken down. Don't watch UFC 1-6 if you want to keep your illusions in place. All the one strike boys end up on the grown tapping out before they pass out. it is not that people can't be knocked out by one punch. Sure they can. Its just that it isn't easy to do while someone is taking you to the ground. Now that all the strikers are cross trained in boxing and Muay Thai the effectiveness of the traditional karate strikes are very limited. Just watch the videos of people actually using the techniques you are theorizing about. You talk a good game about scientific studies but you are an fantasist. But prove me wrong. I have provided video references for my POV. Show me some examples of strikers staying on their feet against someone who wants them on the ground. Like I said the jury has been in for over a decade on this issue. You are arguing a flat world theory. All serious martial arts schools do cross training unless they are traditionalist who don't do challenge matches. Shotokan people KNOW that that IS A VERY SERIOUS BLOW if full force were given. It never is given in the sparring. Oh reaallly! I know all about matches. Now show me how Shotakan People KNOW this if they don't ever do it in full contact, full power fights like in UFC? Actually some brave karate master have. They were willing to learn the truth. But as I am finding out, that isn't your interest is it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I thought you were a pro science guy. You know peer reviewed studies? The review of martial arts has been settled in the octagon ring. The videos I showed were challenge matches by brave Shotokan fighters against a martial art designed to counter striking arts by grappling. You have absolutley no understanding of martial arts. You cannot compare the grappler to the Shotokan fighter. It would be like comparing a bicyle to a race car with no gas in it. Sure the bucycle will win ...LOL...what a joke. You have no understanding of martial arts. In Shotokan the Shotokan fighters KNOW that once ONE strike is made the fight is stopped, for a few seconds, because the Shotokan expert knows that if you put your full trained force behind it then the guy would be dead or severely knocked over. You cannot compare a Shotokan fighter to any of those other styles. They stop the
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi announced his retiremnet from running the movement on the channel a few days ago. This has just been forwarded to me; 1. The Rajas, under Maharishi's guidance, have made a resolution today to enable that half the world is invincible by Christmas. Maharishi is sending a number of Vedic couples to provide checking and refresher for every sidha. In this country we should have 8 couples travelling around the country. 2. 22 November 2007 – Maharishi's broadcast: Having done complete justice to the teachings of his spiritual Master, Shri Guru Dev, for over fifty years, which has changed the destiny of the human race and secured invincibility for every nation, Maharishi inaugurates Administration through Silence, which he has defined as-'the most ideal adorable system of administration which is spontaneously and all the time conducted through the innumerable values of creativity on the level of Veda.' In an historic address on 22 November, MERU, Holland, Maharishi disclosed to the First European Parliament of National Leaders of the Global Country of World Peace, that the supreme goals of his Spiritual Regeneration Movement are fulfilled. 'You are 192 Super(powers). When we say 'Super', then the whole thing becomes unified. No more 192 countries, but one Global Country administered by Total Administrative power, and Total Administrative Power is in two sections-Total Knowledge and Total Activity. Gyan Shakti, Kriya Shakti. 'So, what I am feeling just now, with the opinion of all the Europe rising to Invincibility, that Kriya Shakti has started to show its performance. Kriya Shakti divided in 192 sections, has worked out its own unification. United Nations for the world. But in actuality, it was still disunited. Now, somehow, somehow, the Gyan Shakti is awake. And Gyan Shakti waking up is, Kriya Shakti woken up. Gyan Shakti, Kriya Shakti. 'And I feel, I feel now, that having been active for all these 50 years, the Kriya Shakti has woken up, and has started to show the evidence of its waking up. At least, 24 countries are invincible out of 192. So I am tempted to tell you my feelings, that with 24 countries rising to invincibility, and with all these Rajas and the National Leaders, during the next week, the Rajas will take over the Kriya Shakti in silence. 'So I am thinking of shifting my role from Kriya Shakti to Gyan Shakti, because I feel the awakening of Kriya Shakti has been through my basing the Kriya Shakti in the Gyan Shakti. 'People opened up to their self-referral intelligence, and now- enough. Enough, I say. But not complete yet, in my assessment. Quite a lot of Kriya Shakti is woken up on the basis of, I'll say, one tenth or, accurately, we say one fourth, of the Gyan Shakti, and I feel now responsible to make that one fourth of Gyan Shakti, should be raised to 100% Gyan Shakti. 'And how it is going to be done? 'The field of Gyan Shakti which we have realized to be Veda, and Veda we have realized to be the flow of Atma. And the flow of Atma, has been put to practice from the level of Kriya Shakti. Transcending. Transcending into the first stage of transcending, second stage of transcending. Consciousness-getting to consciousness, getting to Transcendental Consciousness, and its telling the transcendental consciousness to make it function. Enabling the Transcendental Consciousness to function, through our intention on it. Now the Gyan Shakti, to be fully 100% awake, what is needed is, a remaining of the intellectual understanding, and I want to devote my time to that. And that, in simple words is, bringing out the commentary of the Veda. 'I have not yet spelled out in complete clarity, from A to Z, the flow of the Veda in terms of the flow of 8 Prakritis. But whatever has been done, amounts to maybe 10%, 8%, 4%, whatever percent, a part of the Total Knowledge aspect of it, even a part of Total Knowledge unfolded has unfolded. 'Along with its unfoldment, the Kriya Shakti, and I see that the Kriya Shakti is in good hands. Rajas Conference will be from tomorrow, and I'm going to finally lay out my intellectual understanding and from that level I think, I have created a competent body to continue reinforcing action. Continue Kriya Shakti. The body of the Rajas, and so many Yogic Flyers, Ministers, all that, will continue on the Kriya Shakti, and I'll devote my time, whatever is left, in the unfoldment of pure Gyan Shakti. 'And this will be, I'll have to lay out all the details of how Atma flows in terms of the Veda, how the first letter of Atma is the flow of total Veda, and how total Veda, on the level of knowledge, how it flows in the diversity of knowledge. All the Veda expanding to become the universe. How knowledge expands from its compactified state in one syllable, 'A' to 'Ma', and Atma to Veda,
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Too much silliness here not to make fun of. My apologies in advance to the True Believers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Maharishi announced his retiremnet from running the movement on the channel a few days ago. This has just been forwarded to me; 1. The Rajas, under Maharishi's guidance, have made a resolution today to enable that half the world is invincible by Christmas. It's now official. Not only do Maharishi and the Rajas still believe in Santa Claus, they're convinced that they ARE Santa Claus. :-) 2. 22 November 2007 – Maharishi's broadcast: Having done complete justice to the teachings of his spiritual Master, Shri Guru Dev, for over fifty years, which has changed the destiny of the human race and secured invincibility for every nation, Maharishi inaugurates Administration through Silence, which he has defined as-'the most ideal adorable system of administration which is spontaneously and all the time conducted through the innumerable values of creativity on the level of Veda.' One of the inherent problems with claiming that one is doing nothing and accomplishing everything, and at the same time asking for hefty donations from people and governments, is that the people you're begging from might catch on to the fact that you want them to pay you for doing nothing. In an historic address on 22 November, MERU, Holland, Maharishi disclosed to the First European Parliament of National Leaders of the Global Country of World Peace... It is worth noting that this is a 'Parliament' for a country that does not exist. ...that the supreme goals of his Spiritual Regeneration Movement are fulfilled. His Spiritual Regeneration Movement? I beg your pardon. Wasn't Guru Dev the guy who told Maharishi to go meditate in a cave and who never once suggested that he was qualified to teach? But now it's his movement because Maharishi sez so? Yeah, right. 'You are 192 Super(powers). When we say 'Super', then the whole thing becomes unified. Let's ALL say it. Super. Super. Super. Yup, I sure feel more unified now. :-) Interestingly, this seems to be the end point of a lifetime indulging in magical thinking, and believing in the magical power of mantras. If you believe that some Sanskrit words have magical power, sooner or later you start to imagine that any word you choose to believe has magical power really does have magical power. No more 192 countries, but one Global Country administered by Total Administrative power, and Total Administrative Power is in two sections-Total Knowledge and Total Activity. Gyan Shakti, Kriya Shakti. More magical words. I'm feeling more unified by the minute. :-) 'So, what I am feeling just now, with the opinion of all the Europe rising to Invincibility, that Kriya Shakti has started to show its performance. Kriya Shakti divided in 192 sections, has worked out its own unification. United Nations for the world. But in actuality, it was still disunited. Now, somehow, somehow, the Gyan Shakti is awake. And Gyan Shakti waking up is, Kriya Shakti woken up. Gyan Shakti, Kriya Shakti. If I say these magical words enough times, magical things will happen. Just wait till you see what I can do with the handful of beans I traded the cow for. :-) . . . 'I have not yet spelled out in complete clarity, from A to Z, the flow of the Veda in terms of the flow of 8 Prakritis. Dude, I hate to break the news to you, but you have not yet spelled out in complete clarity how a bunch of people playing dress-up and talking about imaginary countries and imaginary invincibility has anything to do with *reality*, much less the Veda. I *understand* that living in this fantasy world gives you pleasure, and that you've convinced enough easy marks that this fantasy is real that they give you millions of dollars to perpetuate it and allow them to play dress-up. But just as feedback, here's a short letter from one of your former teachers that you'll never read because even if I sent it to you, your handlers would never let you read it: Dear Maharishi, You don't have a country. You don't have a Parliament. Calling real-life countries invincible doesn't make them invincible. Calling twits wearing robes and crowns Super doesn't make them super. Or even less laughable. Silly costumes and absurd pronouncements do not impress 99% of people on this planet. They see them as what they are -- silly costumes and absurd pronouncements. Your contribution to this planet was synthesizing an easily-learned form of meditation from existing sources and marketing it such that it became popular. And then you pissed that all away with silliness like the above. I understand that you're pondering your own death and trying to pontificate about all the things you accom- plished while alive, but you're
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hugheshugo Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 1:49 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi announces new role for himself. So anyone who's been wondering what will happen to the TMO without MMY, we're about to find out. I heard him make the same announcement several times as early as 1974. But he's 90 now and obviously unwell, my first thought on hearing him speak a few weeks ago was that he'd be better off propped up in bed. So I was reading between the lines of his announcement about finishing his research, but you obviously never know for sure do you?.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Behalf Of hugheshugo So anyone who's been wondering what will happen to the TMO without MMY, we're about to find out. I heard him make the same announcement several times as early as 1974. It seems to me that a similar I'm outa the everyday affairs of the movement pronouncement was reposted here on FFL only a few months ago. Isn't it fascinating, though, that there are hundreds of people among the TM TBs who literally are incapable of remembering back that far. They live in a world more ephemeral in its way than that of pop music. (A common trait among people who work in the marketing side of the music biz is that they seem incapable of remembering any song or album that came out any further back than last month, or in some cases, last week.) From one point of view, I guess one could regard this as living in the moment. From another, it can be regarded as Never learning from the lessons of history because one can't *remember* history. I have a good friend who was always fun to go to the movies with because on exiting the theater he would invariably give the same review to what- ever film it was that we had seen: That was the BEST film I've ever seen. I often laughed, because sometimes the film really wasn't any good at all, but after awhile I realized that my friend was serious, every time. It really *was* the best movie he'd ever seen, because he couldn't really remember any others. He got so completely into the moment that no other film he'd ever seen in his life was available as a reference, or to practice discrimination with using it as a reference. Only the latest film existed. I sometimes envy him this ability. But most of the time I don't. Discrimination is important. As long as one still perceives both shit and shinola in the world, discrimination helps you tell one from the other. I remain open to the claim from some folks that they no longer perceive a difference between shit and shinola -- both are just particles of their Self. It's possible, and more power to 'em if they really do perceive that way. But to be honest I don't want to smell their shoes after they shine them. :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remain open to the claim from some folks that they no longer perceive a difference between shit and shinola -- both are just particles of their Self. It's possible, and more power to 'em if they really do perceive that way. But to be honest I don't want to smell their shoes after they shine them. :-) I think Judy has pointed out could not function in this world without *some* discrimination; after Death it simply is not predominant, more like a fine, multi-colored oil-layer of variety on an ocean of ThatSelf. Call it leshavidya if you like, or simply keeping one eye on the movie :-)
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On Nov 24, 2007, at 6:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Too much silliness here not to make fun of. My apologies in advance to the True Believers. What a drama queen! Liberace couldn't have done a more dramatic retirement and retirement buildup! Doesn't anyone just retire anymore? Raja Vaj
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The King Lear model, It's more like working out old-man losing- control issues analysis by Turq the other morning seems an accurate assessment of what is going on inside given what we know of the old man and the folks around him. Great theatre and we're not even at the last act yet. –Doug in FF Turq writing: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/155614 I don't get the feeling from his demeanor and facial expressions and the ways that he talks in the videos I've seen that he's having fun. It's more like working out old-man losing- control issues. The image of King Lear has sprung to mind more than a few times lately. I mean, we've got Reagan (Hagelin) and Goneril (Bevan) jockeying to take over things in the background, Lear (MMY) making absurd demands of people to test their loyalty, etc. If someone highly-placed but who still has a brain gives MMY some real feedback and gets sent away in disgrace, that'll be Cordelia. What is needed IMO is a Fool, who could tell him the truth. And before Jim and Rory come running in to suggest that I'm perfect for the position :-), I no longer work for the company. Haven't for 30 years now. What happens to the TMO is only entertainment for me, not a matter of identification. AS entertainment, it's fabulous. But I really do feel for those who still identify, and have to put themselves through the same ups and downs they see in the machinations of the court and its courtiers at the end of an old king's reign. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi announced his retiremnet from running the movement on the channel a few days ago. Apparently the rajas are to take control, as they ought to know what they are doing by now, and M is going to concentrate on working on aspects of the vedas. Not intellectually of course but by trusting his intuition. I'm no expert and the terms he used went in one ear and out the other so I can't give any details, but it's something to do with unfinished business in explaining the flow of Atma and shrakriti maybe. I would post a link to a TM website but it hasn't featured on them yet for some reason. Maybe they'll get round to it soon when they are over the shock. So anyone who's been wondering what will happen to the TMO without MMY, we're about to find out.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 24, 2007, at 6:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Too much silliness here not to make fun of. My apologies in advance to the True Believers. What a drama queen! Liberace couldn't have done a more dramatic retirement and retirement buildup! Doesn't anyone just retire anymore? He's 90 years old, when will you retire Vaj? OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Maharishi announced his retiremnet from running the movement on the channel a few days ago. This has just been forwarded to me; 1. The Rajas, under Maharishi's guidance, have made a resolution today to enable that half the world is invincible by Christmas. Maharishi is sending a number of Vedic couples to provide checking and refresher for every sidha. In this country we should have 8 couples travelling around the country. 2. 22 November 2007 – Maharishi's broadcast: Having done complete justice to the teachings of his spiritual Master, Shri Guru Dev, for over fifty years, which has changed the destiny of the human race and secured invincibility for every nation, Maharishi inaugurates Administration through Silence, which he has defined as-'the most ideal adorable system of administration which is spontaneously and all the time conducted through the innumerable values of creativity on the level of Veda.' In an historic address on 22 November, MERU, Holland, Maharishi disclosed to the First European Parliament of National Leaders of the Global Country of World Peace, that the supreme goals of his Spiritual Regeneration Movement are fulfilled. 'You are 192 Super(powers). When we say 'Super', then the whole thing becomes unified. No more 192 countries, but one Global Country administered by Total Administrative power, and Total Administrative Power is in two sections-Total Knowledge and Total Activity. Gyan Shakti, Kriya Shakti. 'So, what I am feeling just now, with the opinion of all the Europe rising to Invincibility, that Kriya Shakti has started to show its performance. Kriya Shakti divided in 192 sections, has worked out its own unification. United Nations for the world. But in actuality, it was still disunited. Now, somehow, somehow, the Gyan Shakti is awake. And Gyan Shakti waking up is, Kriya Shakti woken up. Gyan Shakti, Kriya Shakti. 'And I feel, I feel now, that having been active for all these 50 years, the Kriya Shakti has woken up, and has started to show the evidence of its waking up. At least, 24 countries are invincible out of 192. So I am tempted to tell you my feelings, that with 24 countries rising to invincibility, and with all these Rajas and the National Leaders, during the next week, the Rajas will take over the Kriya Shakti in silence. 'So I am thinking of shifting my role from Kriya Shakti to Gyan Shakti, because I feel the awakening of Kriya Shakti has been through my basing the Kriya Shakti in the Gyan Shakti. 'People opened up to their self-referral intelligence, and now- enough. Enough, I say. But not complete yet, in my assessment. Quite a lot of Kriya Shakti is woken up on the basis of, I'll say, one tenth or, accurately, we say one fourth, of the Gyan Shakti, and I feel now responsible to make that one fourth of Gyan Shakti, should be raised to 100% Gyan Shakti. 'And how it is going to be done? 'The field of Gyan Shakti which we have realized to be Veda, and Veda we have realized to be the flow of Atma. And the flow of Atma, has been put to practice from the level of Kriya Shakti. Transcending. Transcending into the first stage of transcending, second stage of transcending. Consciousness-getting to consciousness, getting to Transcendental Consciousness, and its telling the transcendental consciousness to make it function. Enabling the Transcendental Consciousness to function, through our intention on it. Now the Gyan Shakti, to be fully 100% awake, what is needed is, a remaining of the intellectual understanding, and I want to devote my time to that. And that, in simple words is, bringing out the commentary of the Veda. 'I have not yet spelled out in complete clarity, from A to Z, the flow of the Veda in terms of the flow of 8 Prakritis. But whatever has been done, amounts to maybe 10%, 8%, 4%, whatever percent, a part of the Total Knowledge aspect of it, even a part of Total Knowledge unfolded has unfolded. 'Along with its unfoldment, the Kriya Shakti, and I see that the Kriya Shakti is in good hands. Rajas Conference will be from tomorrow, and I'm going to finally lay out my intellectual understanding and from that level I think, I have created a competent body to continue reinforcing action. Continue Kriya Shakti. The body of the Rajas, and so many Yogic Flyers, Ministers, all that, will continue on the Kriya Shakti, and I'll devote my time, whatever is left, in the unfoldment of pure Gyan Shakti. 'And this will be, I'll have to lay out all the details of how Atma flows in terms of the Veda, how the first letter of Atma is the flow of total Veda, and how total Veda, on the level of knowledge, how it flows in the
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of hugheshugo So anyone who's been wondering what will happen to the TMO without MMY, we're about to find out. I heard him make the same announcement several times as early as 1974. It seems to me that a similar I'm outa the everyday affairs of the movement pronouncement was reposted here on FFL only a few months ago. Isn't it fascinating, though, that there are hundreds of people among the TM TBs who literally are incapable of remembering back that far. They live in a world more ephemeral in its way than that of pop music. (A common trait among people who work in the marketing side of the music biz is that they seem incapable of remembering any song or album that came out any further back than last month, or in some cases, last week.) From one point of view, I guess one could regard this as living in the moment. From another, it can be regarded as Never learning from the lessons of history because one can't *remember* history. He's 90 years old, and his TERRIBLE statement that he made at 90 years old is: I want to work more on the Vedic knowledge details. You guys can carry on without me Big Deal, why are the vultures here on FFL rushing in like demented jackals. OffWorld I have a good friend who was always fun to go to the movies with because on exiting the theater he would invariably give the same review to what- ever film it was that we had seen: That was the BEST film I've ever seen. I often laughed, because sometimes the film really wasn't any good at all, but after awhile I realized that my friend was serious, every time. It really *was* the best movie he'd ever seen, because he couldn't really remember any others. He got so completely into the moment that no other film he'd ever seen in his life was available as a reference, or to practice discrimination with using it as a reference. Only the latest film existed. I sometimes envy him this ability. But most of the time I don't. Discrimination is important. As long as one still perceives both shit and shinola in the world, discrimination helps you tell one from the other. I remain open to the claim from some folks that they no longer perceive a difference between shit and shinola -- both are just particles of their Self. It's possible, and more power to 'em if they really do perceive that way. But to be honest I don't want to smell their shoes after they shine them. :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip need the theory of it to be brought to the awareness of those who will be engaged in the field of action, action. To know the Gyan Shakti, I know how many pockets of different values of Gyan Shakti have to be brought to light, and have to be put together in one glass of every Raja. Get ready Rajas, for MMY's latest concoction, Gyan Shakti. He's behind the bar mixing a new elixir, Gyan Shakti, designed for your consumption. The Berlin Raja fiasco will limit new Rajas from joining the club and infusing fresh funds, so MMY is setting the stage for offering new knowledge, Gyan Shakti, for only the most discriminating - existing Rajas with remaining discretionary funds. When do you think it will be offered ? As soon as Jan. 12th ? At what price ? Why are you so afraid of and attached to money? If you want to complain about money being spent how about complaining about the 10 billion a month in Iraq ..an all for what? Would you then deny the chance to try another solution for 1 billion dollars for many years? Even if it doesn't work it is worth a try over loosing 10 billion a month, which I believe is about $40,000 a month per person. That's you, spending AT LEAST 40,000 a month on this war, and that does not include the huge knock on effects. And you people here on FFL want to complain about a few million here and there and some silly gowns and crowns for a man who has ADVOCATED NOTHING BUT PEACE ALL HIS LIFE, and has never had any personal use for the money. Shame on you. OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get ready Rajas, for MMY's latest concoction, Gyan Shakti. He's behind the bar mixing a new elixir, Gyan Shakti, designed for your consumption. The Berlin Raja fiasco will limit new Rajas from joining the club and infusing fresh funds, so MMY is setting the stage for offering new knowledge, Gyan Shakti, for only the most discriminating - existing Rajas with remaining discretionary funds. When do you think it will be offered? As soon as Jan. 12th? At what price? Good questions, and good fodder for the betting man. I'll take it one step further -- how long after Maharishi starts describing the attributes of some- one who is experiencing Gyan Shakti will it be before people start claiming to be experiencing these things on a daily basis? Brahman will no longer be enough, doncha know? Ya gotta keep up with the latest buzzwords to still impress the rubes. :-)
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On Nov 24, 2007, at 9:24 AM, mainstream20016 wrote: Get ready Rajas, for MMY's latest concoction, Gyan Shakti. He's behind the bar mixing a new elixir, Gyan Shakti, designed for your consumption. The Berlin Raja fiasco will limit new Rajas from joining the club and infusing fresh funds, so MMY is setting the stage for offering new knowledge, Gyan Shakti, for only the most discriminating - existing Rajas with remaining discretionary funds. When do you think it will be offered ? As soon as Jan. 12th ? At what price ? Good point, but no one seems to have noticed, once again, where these new buzz phrases come from. From the Ved? Oh no sonny, this is again straight out of the tantras (the triad of jyana-shakti, kriya-shakti and iccha-shakti - or he could be using the fivefold version which adds cit-shakti (the power of pure consciousness) ananda-shakti (the power of bliss) -- their are numerous different schemes. They are the reflection of Shiva, his svatantrya: pure sahaj (spontaneity). TMO translation: there's an upcoming retirement special. You might not be able to sell the Vedas, but you sure can sell the tantras and just tell 'em it's duh Ved. Now that they're rolling out the rajas, who wants to bet they'll be doing their latest version of the royalty title scam (and that's what it really is) and giving out lesser titles. You can easily sell your house now and get one for 108,000 euros converted to raams.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I remain open to the claim from some folks that they no longer perceive a difference between shit and shinola -- both are just particles of their Self. It's possible, and more power to 'em if they really do perceive that way. But to be honest I don't want to smell their shoes after they shine them. :-) I think Judy has pointed out could not function in this world without *some* discrimination; after Death it simply is not predominant, more like a fine, multi-colored oil-layer of variety on an ocean of ThatSelf. Call it leshavidya if you like, or simply keeping one eye on the movie :-) This simile still implies that the oil-slick and the ocean are in someway different though, and that's not true.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I remain open to the claim from some folks that they no longer perceive a difference between shit and shinola -- both are just particles of their Self. It's possible, and more power to 'em if they really do perceive that way. But to be honest I don't want to smell their shoes after they shine them. :-) I think Judy has pointed out could not function in this world without *some* discrimination; after Death it simply is not predominant, more like a fine, multi-colored oil-layer of variety on an ocean of ThatSelf. Call it leshavidya if you like, or simply keeping one eye on the movie :-) This simile still implies that the oil-slick and the ocean are in someway different though, and that's not true. Thank God you cleared that up!!! Now I can sleep peacefully tonight.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This simile still implies that the oil-slick and the ocean are in someway different though, and that's not true. More accurate would be that old analogy of the ocean's depths and the minute vibration of its surface waves. More like a constant collapse-and-return of the unbounded into the particle(s) and vice versa, with the particles' being essentially nothing but programmed unbounded; unbounded dreaming and acting out a what-if or let's pretend scenario.
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R: This simile still implies that the oil-slick and the ocean are in someway different though, and that's not true. do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank God you cleared that up!!! Now I can sleep peacefully tonight. *lol* Saving the worldone particle at a time! (DISCLAIMER to ANY and ALL of mySelf: The above is only a joke, an obsolete program, a work of fiction, which does not in any way reflect any true belief, attitude or opinion of anyone, or of no-one. More truly perhaps, there is no world to be saved, hence no savior(s) and no savee(s)...nothing good or bad, but thinking makes it so)
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Vaj wrote: Good point, but no one seems to have noticed, once again, where these new buzz phrases come from. From the Ved? Oh no sonny, this is again straight out of the tantras So, we are agreed that TM practice comes straight out of the tantras, yet in a previous post you denied this. (the triad of jyana-shakti, kriya-shakti and iccha-shakti - or he could be using the fivefold version which adds cit-shakti (the power of pure consciousness) ananda-shakti (the power of bliss) -- their are numerous different schemes. They are the reflection of Shiva, his svatantrya: pure sahaj (spontaneity). Well d'oh! How many times has Marshy said that Self Realization was easy, sahaj (spontaneity), reflection of Maheshvara (Shiva)? Are you some kind of nut who can't read? Obviously you haven't been within a thousand miles of a Maharishi Golden Dome in your life! According to Marshy, all TMers should be practicing TM before having sex. There's nothing like having sexual relations when you're high on that TM feeling - it's simply the greatest technique on the planet. According to Marshy, we all should enjoy. Plenty of energy to bounce after practicing TM. Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.religion.tantra From: Willytex Date: Thurs, Dec 15 2005 9:56 pm Subject: TM and sexual Tantra http://tinyurl.com/2de79o
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Doug wrote: But I really do feel for those who still identify, and have to put themselves through the same ups and downs they see in the machinations of the court and its courtiers at the end of an old king's reign. So, you quit the TMO years and years ago, but you still live in Fairfield, IA; you're one of the leading informers on FFL. But WE still identify with the court and its courtiers and put ourselves through the same ups and downs?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: This simile still implies that the oil-slick and the ocean are in someway different though, and that's not true. More accurate would be that old analogy of the ocean's depths and the minute vibration of its surface waves. More like a constant collapse-and-return of the unbounded into the particle(s) and vice versa, with the particles' being essentially nothing but programmed unbounded; unbounded dreaming and acting out a what-if or let's pretend scenario. Any chance I can get a baguette with this word soup? A nice crusty one would be nice.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: This simile still implies that the oil-slick and the ocean are in someway different though, and that's not true. More accurate would be that old analogy of the ocean's depths and the minute vibration of its surface waves. More like a constant collapse-and-return of the unbounded into the particle(s) and vice versa, with the particles' being essentially nothing but programmed unbounded; unbounded dreaming and acting out a what-if or let's pretend scenario. Any chance I can get a baguette with this word soup? A nice crusty one would be nice. You can pretend anything you like, crusty or not, as always :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hugheshugo Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 1:49 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi announces new role for himself. So anyone who's been wondering what will happen to the TMO without MMY, we're about to find out. I heard him make the same announcement several times as early as 1974. I heard it in 1967 (or 68). I just started TM and MMY said he was going to retire. Bummer. He was going to go into silence for 20 years or something.
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You can pretend anything you like, crusty or not, as always :-) Since nothing means anything, I'm sure you wont object to my taking the role of being rooted in absolute reality and you just pretending. Think of it as that cute thing the unenlightened do. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: This simile still implies that the oil-slick and the ocean are in someway different though, and that's not true. More accurate would be that old analogy of the ocean's depths and the minute vibration of its surface waves. More like a constant collapse-and-return of the unbounded into the particle(s) and vice versa, with the particles' being essentially nothing but programmed unbounded; unbounded dreaming and acting out a what-if or let's pretend scenario. Any chance I can get a baguette with this word soup? A nice crusty one would be nice. You can pretend anything you like, crusty or not, as always :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can pretend anything you like, crusty or not, as always :-) Since nothing means anything, I'm sure you wont object to my taking the role of being rooted in absolute reality and you just pretending. Think of it as that cute thing the unenlightened do. I believe I have made it abundantly clear I am just pretending, Curtis. You may take any role you like, as always :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: You can pretend anything you like, crusty or not, as always :-) Since nothing means anything, I'm sure you wont object to my taking the role of being rooted in absolute reality and you just pretending. Think of it as that cute thing the unenlightened do. I believe I have made it abundantly clear I am just pretending, Curtis. You may take any role you like, as always :-) I heard Curtis likes the top.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: R: This simile still implies that the oil-slick and the ocean are in someway different though, and that's not true. That well explains why some are so eternally slippery.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: R: This simile still implies that the oil-slick and the ocean are in someway different though, and that's not true. That well explains why some are so eternally slippery. Braman is slippery -- MMY said it, too, so it must be true :-) Seriously (more or less), what do you expect of something that is subtler than either-or, a priori to language? How many here understand that the Self is prior to discrimination? Mmm? ... Almost everybody.
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Self prior to all distinction? Doesn't that necessarily turn out to be a verbal quibble? To know itself as Self, doesn't it have to posit a non-self? Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: R: This simile still implies that the oil-slick and the ocean are in someway different though, and that's not true. That well explains why some are so eternally slippery. Braman is slippery -- MMY said it, too, so it must be true :-) Seriously (more or less), what do you expect of something that is subtler than either-or, a priori to language? How many here understand that the Self is prior to discrimination? Mmm? ... Almost everybody. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I remain open to the claim from some folks that they no longer perceive a difference between shit and shinola -- both are just particles of their Self. It's possible, and more power to 'em if they really do perceive that way. But to be honest I don't want to smell their shoes after they shine them. :-) I think Judy has pointed out could not function in this world without *some* discrimination; after Death it simply is not predominant, more like a fine, multi-colored oil-layer of variety on an ocean of ThatSelf. Call it leshavidya if you like, or simply keeping one eye on the movie :-) This simile still implies that the oil-slick and the ocean are in someway different though, and that's not true. This idea that after enlightenment, differences fade away, or become secondary to carrying out the thoughts and tasks of an active life, or the looniest conclusion of all, that we cannot tell the difference between one thing and another, are just feeble attempts by the coarse intellect which can only see two, to make sense out of the One, which it does not see before enlightenment. My experience is now I am constantly creating, experiencing, observing, and just having a great time. There is not enough time in the day or night to enjoy it all. Problems are solved in the blink of an eye, and new tasks accomplished quickly and with satisfaction. With the ocean of infinite silence and potential to support me, I have an endless supply of discrimination available, attached to nothing and so always clean and sharp. My prior life was restricted by so many judgments and stories and preconcieved ideas and concepts, all of it to protect a me that was ephemeral and false, that I was far less dynamic and successful. The sense that anyone would deliberately keep themselves locked in ignorance because of the supposed inability to discriminate after their eternal freedom has been accomplished, is silliness itself.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Self prior to all distinction? Doesn't that necessarily turn out to be a verbal quibble? Not IME, no. To know itself as Self, doesn't it have to posit a non-self? The memory of non-self remains, by which and through which the Self knows itself as the Self. It's not that *all* discrimination vanishes, necessarily; it just no longer predominates. It now serves the Self, rather than obscuring it.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: Self prior to all distinction? Doesn't that necessarily turn out to be a verbal quibble? Not IME, no. To know itself as Self, doesn't it have to posit a non-self? The memory of non-self remains, by which and through which the Self knows itself as the Self. It's not that *all* discrimination vanishes, necessarily; it just no longer predominates. It now serves the Self, rather than obscuring it. But to know itself as Self is not like any other knowledge, which is indeed dualistic and based on a comparison, on an either-or discrimination. That's why this Self-knowledge is so mind-blowing -- literally. It is so ordinary and so special, so still and so dynamic, so Dead and so Alive, so *this* and so *that* -- so slippery, so concrete, so in- your-face paradoxical. Literally unimaginable, literally unspeakable. Yet it IS; I AM. Discrimination cannot capture it; discrimination can only surrender awe-struck.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hugheshugo Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 1:49 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi announces new role for himself. So anyone who's been wondering what will happen to the TMO without MMY, we're about to find out. I heard him make the same announcement several times as early as 1974. Las Vegas should be taking odds as to how long he will actually keep his hands off running even the minutest detail of the TMO... No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1148 - Release Date: 11/23/2007 7:39 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of hugheshugo So anyone who's been wondering what will happen to the TMO without MMY, we're about to find out. I heard him make the same announcement several times as early as 1974. It seems to me that a similar I'm outa the everyday affairs of the movement pronouncement was reposted here on FFL only a few months ago. Isn't it fascinating, though, that there are hundreds of people among the TM TBs who literally are incapable of remembering back that far. They live in a world more ephemeral in its way than that of pop music. (A common trait among people who work in the marketing side of the music biz is that they seem incapable of remembering any song or album that came out any further back than last month, or in some cases, last week.) From one point of view, I guess one could regard this as living in the moment. From another, it can be regarded as Never learning from the lessons of history because one can't *remember* history. He's 90 years old, and his TERRIBLE statement that he made at 90 years old is: I want to work more on the Vedic knowledge details. You guys can carry on without me Big Deal, why are the vultures here on FFL rushing in like demented jackals. ...because about half of those vultures devoted not 90 years but, combined, probably 500 years working for nothing or next to nothing doing the bidding of someone who they feel abandoned what he stood for... OffWorld I have a good friend who was always fun to go to the movies with because on exiting the theater he would invariably give the same review to what- ever film it was that we had seen: That was the BEST film I've ever seen. I often laughed, because sometimes the film really wasn't any good at all, but after awhile I realized that my friend was serious, every time. It really *was* the best movie he'd ever seen, because he couldn't really remember any others. He got so completely into the moment that no other film he'd ever seen in his life was available as a reference, or to practice discrimination with using it as a reference. Only the latest film existed. I sometimes envy him this ability. But most of the time I don't. Discrimination is important. As long as one still perceives both shit and shinola in the world, discrimination helps you tell one from the other. I remain open to the claim from some folks that they no longer perceive a difference between shit and shinola -- both are just particles of their Self. It's possible, and more power to 'em if they really do perceive that way. But to be honest I don't want to smell their shoes after they shine them. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of hugheshugo So anyone who's been wondering what will happen to the TMO without MMY, we're about to find out. I heard him make the same announcement several times as early as 1974. It seems to me that a similar I'm outa the everyday affairs of the movement pronouncement was reposted here on FFL only a few months ago. Isn't it fascinating, though, that there are hundreds of people among the TM TBs who literally are incapable of remembering back that far. They live in a world more ephemeral in its way than that of pop music. (A common trait among people who work in the marketing side of the music biz is that they seem incapable of remembering any song or album that came out any further back than last month, or in some cases, last week.) From one point of view, I guess one could regard this as living in the moment. From another, it can be regarded as Never learning from the lessons of history because one can't *remember* history. He's 90 years old, and his TERRIBLE statement that he made at 90 years old is: I want to work more on the Vedic knowledge details. You guys can carry on without me Big Deal, why are the vultures here on FFL rushing in like demented jackals. OffWorld The world is as you are I have a good friend who was always fun to go to the movies with because on exiting the theater he would invariably give the same review to what- ever film it was that we had seen: That was the BEST film I've ever seen. I often laughed, because sometimes the film really wasn't any good at all, but after awhile I realized that my friend was serious, every time. It really *was* the best movie he'd ever seen, because he couldn't really remember any others. He got so completely into the moment that no other film he'd ever seen in his life was available as a reference, or to practice discrimination with using it as a reference. Only the latest film existed. I sometimes envy him this ability. But most of the time I don't. Discrimination is important. As long as one still perceives both shit and shinola in the world, discrimination helps you tell one from the other. I remain open to the claim from some folks that they no longer perceive a difference between shit and shinola -- both are just particles of their Self. It's possible, and more power to 'em if they really do perceive that way. But to be honest I don't want to smell their shoes after they shine them. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of hugheshugo So anyone who's been wondering what will happen to the TMO without MMY, we're about to find out. I heard him make the same announcement several times as early as 1974. It seems to me that a similar I'm outa the everyday affairs of the movement pronouncement was reposted here on FFL only a few months ago. Isn't it fascinating, though, that there are hundreds of people among the TM TBs who literally are incapable of remembering back that far. They live in a world more ephemeral in its way than that of pop music. (A common trait among people who work in the marketing side of the music biz is that they seem incapable of remembering any song or album that came out any further back than last month, or in some cases, last week.) From one point of view, I guess one could regard this as living in the moment. From another, it can be regarded as Never learning from the lessons of history because one can't *remember* history. He's 90 years old, and his TERRIBLE statement that he made at 90 years old is: I want to work more on the Vedic knowledge details. You guys can carry on without me Big Deal, why are the vultures here on FFL rushing in like demented jackals. ...because about half of those vultures devoted not 90 years but, combined, probably 500 years working for nothing or next to nothing doing the bidding of someone who they feel abandoned what he stood for... I see. So you are saying that these people made huge mistakes in their lives, made bad decisions, made fools of themselves, and wasted years on this stupid mistake of theirs? THAT is what you and the other jackals here are saying. Therefore, I must ask you idiots, why would anyone listen to people who are saying they were s stupid in the past but now are correct, and we should listen to you? Ain't gonna happen people. Hate to bust your bubble folks, but no-one is listening to your whining Vaj, Turq., Mainstream, Shemp, etc. Keep whining about how you made such huge mistakes in your life and were really really stupid in the past and told everyone to listen to you back then, but now everyone should listen to you now. ROFLMAO ! Bunch of old jokers. No one is listening to your baby whining. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.
Well said, Off. This thread should be retitled Great Man Attacked by Pygmies. Pygmies Lose. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of hugheshugo So anyone who's been wondering what will happen to the TMO without MMY, we're about to find out. I heard him make the same announcement several times as early as 1974. It seems to me that a similar I'm outa the everyday affairs of the movement pronouncement was reposted here on FFL only a few months ago. Isn't it fascinating, though, that there are hundreds of people among the TM TBs who literally are incapable of remembering back that far. They live in a world more ephemeral in its way than that of pop music. (A common trait among people who work in the marketing side of the music biz is that they seem incapable of remembering any song or album that came out any further back than last month, or in some cases, last week.) From one point of view, I guess one could regard this as living in the moment. From another, it can be regarded as Never learning from the lessons of history because one can't *remember* history. He's 90 years old, and his TERRIBLE statement that he made at 90 years old is: I want to work more on the Vedic knowledge details. You guys can carry on without me Big Deal, why are the vultures here on FFL rushing in like demented jackals. ...because about half of those vultures devoted not 90 years but, combined, probably 500 years working for nothing or next to nothing doing the bidding of someone who they feel abandoned what he stood for... I see. So you are saying that these people made huge mistakes in their lives, made bad decisions, made fools of themselves, and wasted years on this stupid mistake of theirs? THAT is what you and the other jackals here are saying. Therefore, I must ask you idiots, why would anyone listen to people who are saying they were s stupid in the past but now are correct, and we should listen to you? Ain't gonna happen people. Hate to bust your bubble folks, but no-one is listening to your whining Vaj, Turq., Mainstream, Shemp, etc. Keep whining about how you made such huge mistakes in your life and were really really stupid in the past and told everyone to listen to you back then, but now everyone should listen to you now. ROFLMAO ! Bunch of old jokers. No one is listening to your baby whining. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of hugheshugo So anyone who's been wondering what will happen to the TMO without MMY, we're about to find out. I heard him make the same announcement several times as early as 1974. It seems to me that a similar I'm outa the everyday affairs of the movement pronouncement was reposted here on FFL only a few months ago. Isn't it fascinating, though, that there are hundreds of people among the TM TBs who literally are incapable of remembering back that far. They live in a world more ephemeral in its way than that of pop music. (A common trait among people who work in the marketing side of the music biz is that they seem incapable of remembering any song or album that came out any further back than last month, or in some cases, last week.) From one point of view, I guess one could regard this as living in the moment. From another, it can be regarded as Never learning from the lessons of history because one can't *remember* history. He's 90 years old, and his TERRIBLE statement that he made at 90 years old is: I want to work more on the Vedic knowledge details. You guys can carry on without me Big Deal, why are the vultures here on FFL rushing in like demented jackals. ...because about half of those vultures devoted not 90 years but, combined, probably 500 years working for nothing or next to nothing doing the bidding of someone who they feel abandoned what he stood for... I see. So you are saying that these people made huge mistakes in their lives, made bad decisions, made fools of themselves, and wasted years on this stupid mistake of theirs? THAT is what you and the other jackals here are saying. Therefore, I must ask you idiots, why would anyone listen to people who are saying they were s stupid in the past but now are correct, and we should listen to you? Ain't gonna happen people. Hate to bust your bubble folks, but no-one is listening to your whining Vaj, Turq., Mainstream, Shemp, etc. Keep whining about how you made such huge mistakes in your life and were really really stupid in the past and told everyone to listen to you back then, but now everyone should listen to you now. ROFLMAO ! Bunch of old jokers. No one is listening to your baby whining. OffWorld There must be something of value in the message of criticism of the TMO, for the messengers are attacked thusly: these people made huge mistakes made bad decisions made fools of themselves... and wasted yearsstupid mistake of theirsjackals here are saying... you idiots... they were s stupid... you made such huge mistakes in your life... were really really stupid...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of hugheshugo So anyone who's been wondering what will happen to the TMO without MMY, we're about to find out. I heard him make the same announcement several times as early as 1974. It seems to me that a similar I'm outa the everyday affairs of the movement pronouncement was reposted here on FFL only a few months ago. Isn't it fascinating, though, that there are hundreds of people among the TM TBs who literally are incapable of remembering back that far. They live in a world more ephemeral in its way than that of pop music. (A common trait among people who work in the marketing side of the music biz is that they seem incapable of remembering any song or album that came out any further back than last month, or in some cases, last week.) From one point of view, I guess one could regard this as living in the moment. From another, it can be regarded as Never learning from the lessons of history because one can't *remember* history. He's 90 years old, and his TERRIBLE statement that he made at 90 years old is: I want to work more on the Vedic knowledge details. You guys can carry on without me Big Deal, why are the vultures here on FFL rushing in like demented jackals. ...because about half of those vultures devoted not 90 years but, combined, probably 500 years working for nothing or next to nothing doing the bidding of someone who they feel abandoned what he stood for... I see. So you are saying that these people made huge mistakes in their lives, made bad decisions, made fools of themselves, and wasted years on this stupid mistake of theirs? THAT is what you and the other jackals here are saying. Therefore, I must ask you idiots, why would anyone listen to people who are saying they were s stupid in the past but now are correct, and we should listen to you? Ain't gonna happen people. Hate to bust your bubble folks, but no- one is listening to your whining Vaj, Turq., Mainstream, Shemp, etc. Keep whining about how you made such huge mistakes in your life and were really really stupid in the past and told everyone to listen to you back then, but now everyone should listen to you now. ROFLMAO ! Bunch of old jokers. No one is listening to your baby whining. OffWorld There must be something of value in the message of criticism of the TMO, for the messengers are attacked thusly: these people made huge mistakes made bad decisions made fools of themselves... and wasted yearsstupid mistake of theirsjackals here are saying... you idiots... they were s stupid... you made such huge mistakes in your life... were really really stupid... Actually Mainstream, if you were not so stupid, and stopped thinking that your silly whining comments on FFl have any value, meaning, or effect in the world ...at all... ...then, you the might be smart enough to realize that it is YOU who said all those things about yourself. Bw ha ha ! Alas, you are not smart enough for that, therefore you are consigned to the garbage can of history with the rest of the 20th century neanderthals that never made it into the new era. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of hugheshugo So anyone who's been wondering what will happen to the TMO without MMY, we're about to find out. I heard him make the same announcement several times as early as 1974. It seems to me that a similar I'm outa the everyday affairs of the movement pronouncement was reposted here on FFL only a few months ago. Isn't it fascinating, though, that there are hundreds of people among the TM TBs who literally are incapable of remembering back that far. They live in a world more ephemeral in its way than that of pop music. (A common trait among people who work in the marketing side of the music biz is that they seem incapable of remembering any song or album that came out any further back than last month, or in some cases, last week.) From one point of view, I guess one could regard this as living in the moment. From another, it can be regarded as Never learning from the lessons of history because one can't *remember* history. He's 90 years old, and his TERRIBLE statement that he made at 90 years old is: I want to work more on the Vedic knowledge details. You guys can carry on without me Big Deal, why are the vultures here on FFL rushing in like demented jackals. ...because about half of those vultures devoted not 90 years but, combined, probably 500 years working for nothing or next to nothing doing the bidding of someone who they feel abandoned what he stood for... I see. So you are saying that these people made huge mistakes in their lives, made bad decisions, made fools of themselves, and wasted years on this stupid mistake of theirs? THAT is what you and the other jackals here are saying. Therefore, I must ask you idiots, why would anyone listen to people who are saying they were s stupid in the past but now are correct, and we should listen to you? Ain't gonna happen people. Hate to bust your bubble folks, but no- one is listening to your whining Vaj, Turq., Mainstream, Shemp, etc. Keep whining about how you made such huge mistakes in your life and were really really stupid in the past and told everyone to listen to you back then, but now everyone should listen to you now. ROFLMAO ! Bunch of old jokers. No one is listening to your baby whining. OffWorld There must be something of value in the message of criticism of the TMO, for the messengers are attacked thusly: these people made huge mistakes made bad decisions made fools of themselves... and wasted yearsstupid mistake of theirsjackals here are saying... you idiots... they were s stupid... you made such huge mistakes in your life... were really really stupid... Actually Mainstream, if you were not so stupid, and stopped thinking that your silly whining comments on FFl have any value, meaning, or effect in the world ...at all... ...then, you the might be smart enough to realize that it is YOU who said all those things about yourself. Bw ha ha The rant of the purely partisan - consistently void of citation, yet certain of the decrepitude of the opponent. You're doing a heck of a job, Brownie. Alas, you are not smart enough for that, therefore you are consigned to the garbage can of history with the rest of the 20th century neanderthals that never made it into the new era. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of hugheshugo So anyone who's been wondering what will happen to the TMO without MMY, we're about to find out. I heard him make the same announcement several times as early as 1974. It seems to me that a similar I'm outa the everyday affairs of the movement pronouncement was reposted here on FFL only a few months ago. Isn't it fascinating, though, that there are hundreds of people among the TM TBs who literally are incapable of remembering back that far. They live in a world more ephemeral in its way than that of pop music. (A common trait among people who work in the marketing side of the music biz is that they seem incapable of remembering any song or album that came out any further back than last month, or in some cases, last week.) From one point of view, I guess one could regard this as living in the moment. From another, it can be regarded as Never learning from the lessons of history because one can't *remember* history. He's 90 years old, and his TERRIBLE statement that he made at 90 years old is: I want to work more on the Vedic knowledge details. You guys can carry on without me Big Deal, why are the vultures here on FFL rushing in like demented jackals. ...because about half of those vultures devoted not 90 years but, combined, probably 500 years working for nothing or next to nothing doing the bidding of someone who they feel abandoned what he stood for... I see. So you are saying that these people made huge mistakes in their lives, made bad decisions, made fools of themselves, and wasted years on this stupid mistake of theirs? THAT is what you and the other jackals here are saying. Therefore, I must ask you idiots, why would anyone listen to people who are saying they were s stupid in the past but now are correct, and we should listen to you? Ain't gonna happen people. Hate to bust your bubble folks, but no- one is listening to your whining Vaj, Turq., Mainstream, Shemp, etc. Keep whining about how you made such huge mistakes in your life and were really really stupid in the past and told everyone to listen to you back then, but now everyone should listen to you now. ROFLMAO ! Bunch of old jokers. No one is listening to your baby whining. OffWorld There must be something of value in the message of criticism of the TMO, for the messengers are attacked thusly: these people made huge mistakes made bad decisions made fools of themselves... and wasted yearsstupid mistake of theirsjackals here are saying... you idiots... they were s stupid... you made such huge mistakes in your life... were really really stupid... Actually Mainstream, if you were not so stupid, and stopped thinking that your silly whining comments on FFl have any value, meaning, or effect in the world ...at all... ...then, you the might be smart enough to realize that it is YOU who said all those things about yourself. Bw ha ha ! Alas, you are not smart enough for that, therefore you are consigned to the garbage can of history with the rest of the 20th century neanderthals that never made it into the new era. OffWorld Judge, jury, and executioner ensuring obedience to the royal rule of rajas. May your permanent delusion of grandeur limit your range of influence to the frozen, barren, formerly productive corn fields now known as MVC.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Keep whining about how you made such huge mistakes in your life and were really really stupid in the past and told everyone to listen to you back then, but now everyone should listen to you now. ROFLMAO ! Bunch of old jokers. No one is listening to your baby whining. OffWorld There must be something of value in the message of criticism of the TMO, for the messengers are attacked thusly: these people made huge mistakes made bad decisions made fools of themselves... and wasted yearsstupid mistake of theirsjackals here are saying... you idiots... they were s stupid... you made such huge mistakes in your life... were really really stupid... Actually Mainstream, if you were not so stupid, and stopped thinking that your silly whining comments on FFl have any value, meaning, or effect in the world ...at all... ...then, you the might be smart enough to realize that it is YOU who said all those things about yourself. Bw ha ha The rant of the purely partisan - consistently void of citation, yet certain of the decrepitude of the opponent. Your words persist in a frameless rectilinear trapezoid. You have not reversed the seculorum superium, and in such a way there is no subject within the restitude to which you adhere so fervently. Prepare your partisanilicious drivel carefully, and then rent it inward toward the surrender zone of your ever-present self-deficating world. There you will find yourself deeply entrenched and may find peace within that vile hole that you find so holy. You're doing a heck of a job, Brownie. In your dreams bigboy. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of hugheshugo So anyone who's been wondering what will happen to the TMO without MMY, we're about to find out. I heard him make the same announcement several times as early as 1974. It seems to me that a similar I'm outa the everyday affairs of the movement pronouncement was reposted here on FFL only a few months ago. Isn't it fascinating, though, that there are hundreds of people among the TM TBs who literally are incapable of remembering back that far. They live in a world more ephemeral in its way than that of pop music. (A common trait among people who work in the marketing side of the music biz is that they seem incapable of remembering any song or album that came out any further back than last month, or in some cases, last week.) From one point of view, I guess one could regard this as living in the moment. From another, it can be regarded as Never learning from the lessons of history because one can't *remember* history. He's 90 years old, and his TERRIBLE statement that he made at 90 years old is: I want to work more on the Vedic knowledge details. You guys can carry on without me Big Deal, why are the vultures here on FFL rushing in like demented jackals. ...because about half of those vultures devoted not 90 years but, combined, probably 500 years working for nothing or next to nothing doing the bidding of someone who they feel abandoned what he stood for... I see. So you are saying that these people made huge mistakes in their lives, made bad decisions, made fools of themselves, and wasted years on this stupid mistake of theirs? THAT is what you and the other jackals here are saying. Therefore, I must ask you idiots, why would anyone listen to people who are saying they were s stupid in the past but now are correct, and we should listen to you? Ain't gonna happen people. Hate to bust your bubble folks, but no- one is listening to your whining Vaj, Turq., Mainstream, Shemp, etc. Keep whining about how you made such huge mistakes in your life and were really really stupid in the past and told everyone to listen to you back then, but now everyone should listen to you now. ROFLMAO ! Bunch of old jokers. No one is listening to your baby whining. OffWorld There must be something of value in the message of criticism of the TMO, for the messengers are attacked thusly: these people made huge mistakes made bad decisions made fools of themselves... and wasted yearsstupid mistake of theirsjackals here are saying... you idiots... they were s stupid... you made such huge mistakes in your life... were really really stupid... Actually Mainstream, if you were not so stupid, and stopped thinking that your silly whining comments on FFl have any value, meaning, or effect in the world ...at all... ...then, you the might be smart enough to realize that it is YOU who said all those things about yourself. Bw ha ha ! Alas, you are not smart enough for that, therefore you are consigned to the garbage can of history with the rest of the 20th century neanderthals that never made it into the new era. OffWorld Judge, jury, and executioner ensuring obedience to the royal rule of rajas. May your permanent delusion of grandeur limit your range of influence to the frozen, barren, formerly productive corn fields now known as MVC. Vermont is Heaven on Earth. It is unlikely that you will enter here- in, therfore you are stuck in your voidworld. OffWorld
