[FairfieldLife] Re: Moral Choices, Build another pundit campus?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: snip Not much like Harvard or Yale actually. The integrity is way higher much more transparent at the real universities. Differently, at MUM it takes so much more money when half of it disappears abroad. No surprize that 250 people have backed out of providing their money to Maharaishi now and the TMorg. The word is out. It is about integrity and this money thing kind of goes in the same catagory with the movement not being able to easily attract the 2,000 or 1700 people (M.E.) it was wishing for without hirlings. It is a sad story about the loss of integrity and a fallen guru. Look at the money problem, their research and their pr, they are apparently liars, cheaters and stealers in method. Qualities not usually associated with integrity. We'll see if Maharishi can re- write things as they have become at the end of his book in the final chapter. Lots of people will write the epilogue when the time is ready and there is a lot of material for that. -Doug in FF I don't really see it as a problem with integrity- In other words I don't think the money is being used to enrich anyone. As I've said before the TMO including MUM has always struck me as nearly povery ridden. The problem is that they feel they are not accountable to their benefactors. I feel incalculable gratitude for Maharishi's knowledge and could not really put a price tag on it. Having said that, I give almost nothing to the Movement, because of this however we spend it is the best way, and no, we don't have to tell you how because we are saving the world attitude. Or more precisely, when they pretend not to have the described attitude and it leaks out anyway. I would feel better if they just said, we need money again for continued operations and left it at that. Yeah, yours is a good synopsis of how a lot of meditator people feel here. It (hold the nose and go) is a moral choice and also about integrity. You live in FF and count yourself in the domes? You go to the domes? Would you if you live here? There are catagories of folk here. All meditators, some who could like to go but who are administratively denied, some who look the other way while going, some tru-believer types who make their moral chice to look the other way and see no evil, some who simply do not condone the bad behaviour and choose not to go instead meditate in other groups or at home during dome times. It all is experience driven. It is a lot about integrity of consciousness and how people gauge for that. People make moral choices all the time which are also very much about Maharishi's integrity. Your comments are entirely common here around the TMorg, even people living on campus or up in Vedic City. It is fascinating to watch. It is about character and integrity and people deal with it in a variety of ways. That they (Maharishi and the TM0rg) could not acheive the numbers for the Maharishi Effect without hiring people and importing pundits, still try to separate people from their money after all the other fundraising conversion of assets? People sit with it differently but the numbers in the aggregate medtitating community have not been good for the TMorg for a while. It is also about integrity in the marketplace and the meditating community. Maharishi seemed to have fallen in the scale of things. So it is. I am quite hopeful in the end because there are so many really good people around here. It still is a great spiritual practice community to be in, like that Iowa motto, Iowa, a great place to grow. There is also an enduring collective hope and prayer that Maharishi and the TMorg will grow out of its bad behaviours and spiritual arrogance. He's got time left in him yet. --Doug in FF
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moral Choices, Build another pundit campus?
--- dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, yours is a good synopsis of how a lot of meditator people feel here. It (hold the nose and go) is a moral choice and also about integrity. You live in FF and count yourself in the domes? You go to the domes? Would you if you live here? There are catagories of folk here. All meditators, some who could like to go but who are administratively denied, some who look the other way while going, some tru-believer types who make their moral chice to look the other way and see no evil, some who simply do not condone the bad behaviour and choose not to go instead meditate in other groups or at home during dome times. It all is experience driven. It is a lot about integrity of consciousness and how people gauge for that. People make moral choices all the time which are also very much about Maharishi's integrity. Your comments are entirely common here around the TMorg, even people living on campus or up in Vedic City. It is fascinating to watch. It is about character and integrity and people deal with it in a variety of ways. That they (Maharishi and the TM0rg) could not acheive the numbers for the Maharishi Effect without hiring people and importing pundits, still try to separate people from their money after all the other fundraising conversion of assets? People sit with it differently but the numbers in the aggregate medtitating community have not been good for the TMorg for a while. It is also about integrity in the marketplace and the meditating community. Maharishi seemed to have fallen in the scale of things. So it is. I am quite hopeful in the end because there are so many really good people around here. It still is a great spiritual practice community to be in, like that Iowa motto, Iowa, a great place to grow. There is also an enduring collective hope and prayer that Maharishi and the TMorg will grow out of its bad behaviours and spiritual arrogance. He's got time left in him yet. --Doug in FF Nice post. I see MMY as what native Americans would call a coyote teacher. He's a left-handed tantric master who gets our waking state panties in a bunch. This why it is VERY important to be authentic with your reaction to his antics and all sorts of nonsense-its a secret part of the sadhana. The spirtual integrity you seek is something that we need to bring to bare, its not MMY's dharma. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moral Choices, Build another pundit campus?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip Yeah, yours is a good synopsis of how a lot of meditator people feel here. It (hold the nose and go) is a moral choice and also about integrity. You live in FF and count yourself in the domes? You go to the domes? Would you if you live here? My take on the TMO is more conceptual than experiential at this point, and I hope my response didn't sound like I was excusing them for anything. Personally I meditate twice a day. I no longer do the TM-Siddhis program (though I continue sanyama ;-)), live in Northern California, and would not consider moving to Fairfield and doing a dome program. I also have minimal contact with the TM Center here in the Bay Area. Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moral Choices, Build another pundit campus?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: snip Not much like Harvard or Yale actually. The integrity is way higher much more transparent at the real universities. Differently, at MUM it takes so much more money when half of it disappears abroad. No surprize that 250 people have backed out of providing their money to Maharaishi now and the TMorg. The word is out. It is about integrity and this money thing kind of goes in the same catagory with the movement not being able to easily attract the 2,000 or 1700 people (M.E.) it was wishing for without hirlings. It is a sad story about the loss of integrity and a fallen guru. Look at the money problem, their research and their pr, they are apparently liars, cheaters and stealers in method. Qualities not usually associated with integrity. We'll see if Maharishi can re- write things as they have become at the end of his book in the final chapter. Lots of people will write the epilogue when the time is ready and there is a lot of material for that. -Doug in FF I don't really see it as a problem with integrity- In other words I don't think the money is being used to enrich anyone. As I've said before the TMO including MUM has always struck me as nearly povery ridden. The problem is that they feel they are not accountable to their benefactors. I feel incalculable gratitude for Maharishi's knowledge and could not really put a price tag on it. Having said that, I give almost nothing to the Movement, because of this however we spend it is the best way, and no, we don't have to tell you how because we are saving the world attitude. Or more precisely, when they pretend not to have the described attitude and it leaks out anyway. I would feel better if they just said, we need money again for continued operations and left it at that. Yeah, yours is a good synopsis of how a lot of meditator people feel here. It (hold the nose and go) is a moral choice and also about integrity. You live in FF and count yourself in the domes? You go to the domes? Would you if you live here? There are catagories of folk here. All meditators, some who could like to go but who are administratively denied, some who look the other way while going, some tru-believer types who make their moral chice to look the other way and see no evil, some who simply do not condone the bad behaviour and choose not to go instead meditate in other groups or at home during dome times. It all is experience driven. It is a lot about integrity of consciousness and how people gauge for that. People make moral choices all the time which are also very much about Maharishi's integrity. Your comments are entirely common here around the TMorg, even people living on campus or up in Vedic City. It is fascinating to watch. It is about character and integrity and people deal with it in a variety of ways. That they (Maharishi and the TM0rg) could not acheive the numbers for the Maharishi Effect without hiring people and importing pundits, still try to separate people from their money after all the other fundraising conversion of assets? People sit with it differently but the numbers in the aggregate medtitating community have not been good for the TMorg for a while. It is also about integrity in the marketplace and the meditating community. Maharishi seemed to have fallen in the scale of things. So it is. I am quite hopeful in the end because there are so many really good people around here. It still is a great spiritual practice community to be in, like that Iowa motto, Iowa, a great place to grow. There is also an enduring collective hope and prayer that Maharishi and the TMorg will grow out of its bad behaviours and spiritual arrogance. He's got time left in him yet. --Doug in FF An american posing as an expert in character, intergrity and moral issues ? I'm sorry, but HAHAHA !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moral Choices, Build another pundit campus?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: snip Not much like Harvard or Yale actually. The integrity is way higher much more transparent at the real universities. Differently, at MUM it takes so much more money when half of it disappears abroad. No surprize that 250 people have backed out of providing their money to Maharaishi now and the TMorg. The word is out. It is about integrity and this money thing kind of goes in the same catagory with the movement not being able to easily attract the 2,000 or 1700 people (M.E.) it was wishing for without hirlings. It is a sad story about the loss of integrity and a fallen guru. Look at the money problem, their research and their pr, they are apparently liars, cheaters and stealers in method. Qualities not usually associated with integrity. We'll see if Maharishi can re- write things as they have become at the end of his book in the final chapter. Lots of people will write the epilogue when the time is ready and there is a lot of material for that. -Doug in FF I don't really see it as a problem with integrity- In other words I don't think the money is being used to enrich anyone. As I've said before the TMO including MUM has always struck me as nearly povery ridden. The problem is that they feel they are not accountable to their benefactors. I feel incalculable gratitude for Maharishi's knowledge and could not really put a price tag on it. Having said that, I give almost nothing to the Movement, because of this however we spend it is the best way, and no, we don't have to tell you how because we are saving the world attitude. Or more precisely, when they pretend not to have the described attitude and it leaks out anyway. I would feel better if they just said, we need money again for continued operations and left it at that. Yeah, yours is a good synopsis of how a lot of meditator people feel here. It (hold the nose and go) is a moral choice and also about integrity. You live in FF and count yourself in the domes? You go to the domes? Would you if you live here? There are catagories of folk here. All meditators, some who could like to go but who are administratively denied, some who look the other way while going, some tru-believer types who make their moral chice to look the other way and see no evil, some who simply do not condone the bad behaviour and choose not to go instead meditate in other groups or at home during dome times. It all is experience driven. It is a lot about integrity of consciousness and how people gauge for that. People make moral choices all the time which are also very much about Maharishi's integrity. Your comments are entirely common here around the TMorg, even people living on campus or up in Vedic City. It is fascinating to watch. It is about character and integrity and people deal with it in a variety of ways. That they (Maharishi and the TM0rg) could not acheive the numbers for the Maharishi Effect without hiring people and importing pundits, still try to separate people from their money after all the other fundraising conversion of assets? People sit with it differently but the numbers in the aggregate medtitating community have not been good for the TMorg for a while. It is also about integrity in the marketplace and the meditating community. Maharishi seemed to have fallen in the scale of things. So it is. I am quite hopeful in the end because there are so many really good people around here. It still is a great spiritual practice community to be in, like that Iowa motto, Iowa, a great place to grow. There is also an enduring collective hope and prayer that Maharishi and the TMorg will grow out of its bad behaviours and spiritual arrogance. He's got time left in him yet. --Doug in FF An american posing as an expert in character, intergrity and moral issues ? I'm sorry, but HAHAHA ! You are SO RIGHT!! Look at that American John Hagelin!! A perfect example! Talk about someone thinking he is morally superior! And then there's the character and integrity issue! He has none! Heaven help the American TMO!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moral Choices, Build another pundit campus?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip Yeah, yours is a good synopsis of how a lot of meditator people feel here. It (hold the nose and go) is a moral choice and also about integrity. You live in FF and count yourself in the domes? You go to the domes? Would you if you live here? My take on the TMO is more conceptual than experiential at this point, and I hope my response didn't sound like I was excusing them for anything. Personally I meditate twice a day. I no longer do the TM-Siddhis program (though I continue sanyama ;-)), live in Northern California, and would not consider moving to Fairfield and doing a dome program. I also have minimal contact with the TM Center here in the Bay Area. And I marvel at how these rumors turn in to massive tales of misappropriation of funds and so on, like the Varma Family Compound thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moral Choices, Build another pundit campus?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip Yeah, yours is a good synopsis of how a lot of meditator people feel here. It (hold the nose and go) is a moral choice and also about integrity. You live in FF and count yourself in the domes? You go to the domes? Would you if you live here? My take on the TMO is more conceptual than experiential at this point, and I hope my response didn't sound like I was excusing them for anything. Personally I meditate twice a day. I no longer do the TM-Siddhis program (though I continue sanyama ;-)), live in Northern California, and would not consider moving to Fairfield and doing a dome program. I also have minimal contact with the TM Center here in the Bay Area. And I marvel at how these rumors turn in to massive tales of misappropriation of funds and so on, like the Varma Family Compound thing. Yep, from intense concentration on the Master.
