[FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Please try reading what I wrote, feste. This is Judy's snotty way of saying that she's better than you. Shea always does that (actually, when she's not telling you non sequitor) Er, no, it's my way of pointing out to Feste that he missed a couple of points in the post he's responding to. No it's not. It's your way of being rude and wanting to start an argument. Well, no, that's not it either. If you'd actually read what I wrote with attention, you'd find that we don't *have* an argument; we're in agreement. If you think I have misread something you wrote, kindly clarify, No, what I wrote was about as clear as I could make it. but don't resort to unpleasant comments that attempt to demean the person you are responding to. Sorry you feel demeaned. That wasn't my intention at all. It makes you sound prickly, petty and ungracious. I give you credit for being better than that, but sometimes some little demon inside gets the better of you. Ignore her. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: You've no idea what Massaoui will be like in 10, 20, 30 or 40 years. To condemn someone of 37 to a life in a dungeon with almost no human contact is out of all proportion to the offense. People can change. You seem to be saying two things here. First, lock them up forever; second, if they show genuine remorse, consider freeing them. Massaoui has no such option. He could become as saintly as Mother Teresa but it wouldn't do him any good in that hell-hole. This guy needs help, which of course is anathema to those on this board who relish the idea of vengeance. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Life without parole is an inhuman punishment. Until we discover ways to successfully rehabilitate nutcases like Moussaoui who want to murder innocent people en masse, they need to be kept away from society. We *should* be giving them the best psychiatric treatment, and if they can show that they've been healed, and can express genuine remorse, we might consider freeing them. But at this point the only option is to keep them locked up, not for punishment but for society's protection. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've no idea what Massaoui will be like in 10, 20, 30 or 40 years. To condemn someone of 37 to a life in a dungeon with almost no human contact is out of all proportion to the offense. People can change. Fanatic sociopaths do not change, but only coil tighter around their cherished delusion of intrinsic superiority and absolute righteousness. You seem to be saying two things here. First, lock them up forever; second, if they show genuine remorse, consider freeing them. Massaoui has no such option. He could become as saintly as Mother Teresa Right. And if frogs had wings they'd fly! Saying absolutely *nothing* about Moussoui, I'm interested in the two points of view being discussed above. One is stating that people (or at least some people, whom he classifies as sociopaths) *cannot* change; they're pretty much stuck with what they are. The other is stating the principle that has been the basis of almost every philosophy or religion that has ever lasted more than a few decades on this rock -- that OF COURSE people can change...sinners can become saints, slackers can become world- shapers, the unenlightened can realize that they're not. It just strikes me as a fascinatingly contrast- ing set of point of views to show up on a spiritual discussion group. Does anyone know the story of Milarepa? Well, according to what we know about his life (which probably has the same degree of validity as anything we know about, say, Christ), early in life he developed awesome siddhi powers but not the wisdom to use them properly. As a result, when a bunch of ignorant villagers dissed his Mom, Milarepa...uh...overreacted a bit and wasted the whole damned lot of them. Big meat course for the buzzards at the sky burial that day. And yet. And yet, according to the same tales, Milarepa went on to realize his enlightenment and become one of Tibet's great saints. Could these events ever have taken place within a cosmology that preaches, People can't change? If what we are told by ancient teachers about reincarnation is true, and each of us has hundreds of thousands of incarnations under his or her belt, isn't it pretty likely that you would have been a real lowlife in at least a few of them? Maybe even a murderer or sociopath a few times, just because it seemed like a good idea at the time. And yet, here you are on a spiritual path, and with (as far as I can tell) just as good a shot at the Big E as the next guy or gal. Go figure. I think people can change. Whether they actually do or not is the real ball game, isn't it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
Romans 12:19-21 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, ³Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.² 20 To the contrary, ³if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.² 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Random riffs on this scripture and the thread in general: I wonder what would happen in the Muslim world if Christian leaders advocated forgiveness and forbearance as a response to terrorism. That doesn't mean Western governments couldn't react militarily -- it just means the church leaders would respond via a 180-degree different tack. I'd like to ask Christian leaders why they haven't endorsed such a response. I know from experience how healing forgiveness can be. It can provide the closure that victim's families say they seek. But what effect can it have on the perpetrators of violence? We admire Ghandi and Martin Luther King for leading non-voilent movements, but attribute their success to the fact that those movements took place in England and the United States at a point in those countries' histories when they were inclined to respect non-violent protest. We don't really trust non-violence as a response to aggression by such nasty foes as the Soviet Union or Islamist radicals. From that perspective, non-violence isn't a moral precept. It's a calculated political maneuver. I wonder what the Muslim world's reaction has been to the Moussaoui verdict. Are people surprised by the fact that we're not killing him? Or do they see the life sentence as more cruel than execution? I'm against the death penalty in general, but the one time I felt it was the kinder, more pragmatic action was when I read about the life of an inmate in Marion, Illinois. His life is like that described for Moussaoui. No human contact. Nothing to live for. On those rare occasions when this inmate was around people, he killed them. As I read about the lives these inmates lead, I'm struck by the vicious circle of their lives. They aren't allowed anything that promotes humanity, so they become more and more inhuman, to which we respond by denying them their humanity. When I read about this, I thought, Jeez, maybe execution has its place. We're not going to change. They're not going to change. Just end it, and spare us both. As I said, just random thoughts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
In a message dated 5/5/06 9:15:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wonder what the Muslim world's reaction has been to the Moussaoui verdict. Are people surprised by the fact that we're not killing him? Or do they see the life sentence as more cruel than execution?I'm against the death penalty in general, but the one time I felt it was the kinder, more pragmatic action was when I read about the life of an inmate in Marion, Illinois. His life is like that described for Moussaoui. No human contact. Nothing to live for. On those rare occasions when this inmate was around people, he killed them. As I read about the lives these inmates lead, I'm struck by the vicious circle of their lives. They aren't allowed anything that promotes humanity, so they become more and more inhuman, to which we respond by denying them their humanity. When I read about this, I thought, Jeez, maybe execution has its place. We're not going to change. They'renot going to change. Just end it, and spare us both.As I said, just random thoughts. I would think the reactions are as varied in the Islamic world as they are here or any other place else. Some wanted him to go out in a blaze of glory, the death penalty like a true Jihadist and I'm sure others want to see him rot in jail for his crime. As for his jail, had he been given a life sentence in a third world prison it could be far worse. I was watching a program last night about this prison and while he will have only minimal contact with other people he does get incentives for good behavior. Some television time with educational programming and his religious services. One thing is for sure , he will have plenty of time to read his Koran and contemplate it. He created his own destiny.I don't think people like him create themselves in a single life time. I think this is a vicious cycle he was been going through for God knows how long. This very well could be the first time he has been dealt true justice without a death sentence and given the time to contemplate the one thing we truly believes in. This life, lived alone, could be the one thing he needs to turn around. It's his choice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
In a message dated 5/4/06 10:36:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: don't see what this Moussoui guy has done to deserve such a cruel, never-ending punishment that will likely drive him insane. He didn't do 9/11, even though he may have wanted to. I guess it's just about revenge. I'm sure that will make America happy. Moussaoui was "only" charged with conspiracy to commit acts of terrorism, commit aircraft piracy, destroy aircraft,murder government employees and destroy property. He could have been given the death penalty on four of the six charges. By the way, Moussaoui did plea guilty to those six counts. Maybe he should have been given probation for being sohonest? I think his sentence has satisfied most people regardless of whether they support the death penalty or not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
So he didn't actually DO anything, right? But he gets life without parole in the most cruel prison America can build. Is that justice or vengeance? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/4/06 10:36:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: don't see what this Moussoui guy has done to deserve such a cruel, never- ending punishment that will likely drive him insane. He didn't do 9/11, even though he may have wanted to. I guess it's just about revenge. I'm sure that will make America happy. Moussaoui was only charged with conspiracy to commit acts of terrorism, commit aircraft piracy, destroy aircraft,murder government employees and destroy property. He could have been given the death penalty on four of the six charges. By the way, Moussaoui did plea guilty to those six counts. Maybe he should have been given probation for being so honest? I think his sentence has satisfied most people regardless of whether they support the death penalty or not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 5/4/06 11:11:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i don't see what this Moussoui guy has done to deserve such a cruel, never- ending punishment that will likely drive him insane. He didn't do 9/11, even though he may have wanted to. I guess it's just about revenge. I'm sure that will make America happy.Yep, its all about the blood lust of the mob, and how politicians manipulate that to stay in power... Well it certainly didn't take long for the whiners to come out and complain about the sentence of a convicted terrorist. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
In a message dated 5/4/06 11:28:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So he didn't actually DO anything, right? But he gets life without parole in the most cruel prison America can build. Is that justice or vengeance? Yes , he did actually Do something. It's called conspiracy. And it was conspiracy to commit absolutely heinous acts of terrorism just like Mohammed Atta et al. Maybe you should go see United 93 and have a little reminder of what Moussaoui was involved in and wanted to do and then tell me his punishment is too harsh. It is justice, he plead guilty and could have been given the death penalty on four of the sixcharges. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So he didn't actually DO anything, right? But he gets life without parole in the most cruel prison America can build. Is that justice or vengeance? The government contended that if he had told investigators what he knew about the plans for the 9/11 attacks when he was captured and interrogated about terrorist plots, the attacks might have been prevented. But he lied and said he knew nothing about any plots, which makes him guilty of conspiracy in the attacks. I'm glad he didn't get the death penalty, but I think life without parole is fair. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 5/4/06 10:36:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time, feste37@ writes: don't see what this Moussoui guy has done to deserve such a cruel, never- ending punishment that will likely drive him insane. He didn't do 9/11, even though he may have wanted to. I guess it's just about revenge. I'm sure that will make America happy. Moussaoui was only charged with conspiracy to commit acts of terrorism, commit aircraft piracy, destroy aircraft,murder government employees and destroy property. He could have been given the death penalty on four of the six charges. By the way, Moussaoui did plea guilty to those six counts. Maybe he should have been given probation for being so honest? I think his sentence has satisfied most people regardless of whether they support the death penalty or not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
The parallel here is surely that that fellow named Fournier (or something like that) who knew in advance, or could have known, about the Oklahoma bombing in 1995. I think he got about 14 years (that's what I remember, although I might be wrong). Life without parole is an inhuman punishment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: So he didn't actually DO anything, right? But he gets life without parole in the most cruel prison America can build. Is that justice or vengeance? The government contended that if he had told investigators what he knew about the plans for the 9/11 attacks when he was captured and interrogated about terrorist plots, the attacks might have been prevented. But he lied and said he knew nothing about any plots, which makes him guilty of conspiracy in the attacks. I'm glad he didn't get the death penalty, but I think life without parole is fair. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 5/4/06 10:36:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time, feste37@ writes: don't see what this Moussoui guy has done to deserve such a cruel, never- ending punishment that will likely drive him insane. He didn't do 9/11, even though he may have wanted to. I guess it's just about revenge. I'm sure that will make America happy. Moussaoui was only charged with conspiracy to commit acts of terrorism, commit aircraft piracy, destroy aircraft,murder government employees and destroy property. He could have been given the death penalty on four of the six charges. By the way, Moussaoui did plea guilty to those six counts. Maybe he should have been given probation for being so honest? I think his sentence has satisfied most people regardless of whether they support the death penalty or not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So he didn't actually DO anything, right? He did do something: he lied when questioned and, in doing so, he withheld information that could have possibly have prevented 9-11. Maybe you think his sentence should have been time-served and a book deal? But he gets life without parole in the most cruel prison America can build. Is that justice or vengeance? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 5/4/06 10:36:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time, feste37@ writes: don't see what this Moussoui guy has done to deserve such a cruel, never- ending punishment that will likely drive him insane. He didn't do 9/11, even though he may have wanted to. I guess it's just about revenge. I'm sure that will make America happy. Moussaoui was only charged with conspiracy to commit acts of terrorism, commit aircraft piracy, destroy aircraft,murder government employees and destroy property. He could have been given the death penalty on four of the six charges. By the way, Moussaoui did plea guilty to those six counts. Maybe he should have been given probation for being so honest? I think his sentence has satisfied most people regardless of whether they support the death penalty or not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
Life without parole for withholding information is excessive. I would have given him a few years in jail and then sent him down to Texas to live with MDixon. Now THAT would be cruel and unusual punishment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: So he didn't actually DO anything, right? He did do something: he lied when questioned and, in doing so, he withheld information that could have possibly have prevented 9-11. Maybe you think his sentence should have been time-served and a book deal? But he gets life without parole in the most cruel prison America can build. Is that justice or vengeance? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 5/4/06 10:36:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time, feste37@ writes: don't see what this Moussoui guy has done to deserve such a cruel, never- ending punishment that will likely drive him insane. He didn't do 9/11, even though he may have wanted to. I guess it's just about revenge. I'm sure that will make America happy. Moussaoui was only charged with conspiracy to commit acts of terrorism, commit aircraft piracy, destroy aircraft,murder government employees and destroy property. He could have been given the death penalty on four of the six charges. By the way, Moussaoui did plea guilty to those six counts. Maybe he should have been given probation for being so honest? I think his sentence has satisfied most people regardless of whether they support the death penalty or not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
In a message dated 5/4/06 2:49:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We *should* be giving them the best psychiatrictreatment, and if they can show that they've beenhealed, and can express genuine remorse, we mightconsider freeing them. But at this point the onlyoption is to keep them locked up, not for punishment but for society's protection. I would rather Not take their word for it that he has been *genuinely* healed and genuine remorse can be too easily faked. We see criminals let out all the time that go right back and repeat the same crime. This guy is too dangerous to society to take such a chance. He needs to rot in his own personal hell on earth and be an example to every other terrorist what could be their fate. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: The parallel here is surely that that fellow named Fournier (or something like that) who knew in advance, or could have known, about the Oklahoma bombing in 1995. I think he got about 14 years (that's what I remember, although I might be wrong). Michael Fortier helped plan the bombing, but unlike Moussaoui, he wasn't interrogated *prior to* the bombing. Legally, that means his crime is less serious than Moussaoui's, who lied to the authorities when questioned before the attacks. Also, Fortier cooperated fully with the authorities after the bombing, testifying at McVeigh's and Nichols's trials, and expressed remorse for his part in it. Otherwise he would have received a much longer prison sentence. Life without parole is an inhuman punishment. Until we discover ways to successfully rehabilitate nutcases like Moussaoui who want to murder innocent people en masse, they need to be kept away from society. We *should* be giving them the best psychiatric treatment, and if they can show that they've been healed, and can express genuine remorse, we might consider freeing them. But at this point the only option is to keep them locked up, not for punishment but for society's protection. Good analysis of the legal reason, (I didn't know it). I'm still unsure which of the 2 punishments is most appropriate for him, though. Have to trust the jury, I guess. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/4/06 2:49:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We *should* be giving them the best psychiatric treatment, and if they can show that they've been healed, and can express genuine remorse, we might consider freeing them. But at this point the only option is to keep them locked up, not for punishment but for society's protection. I would rather Not take their word for it that he has been *genuinely* healed and genuine remorse can be too easily faked. No, I'd want corroboration from psychiatric experts, a great deal of it with someone as potentially dangerous as Moussaoui. We see criminals let out all the time that go right back and repeat the same crime. Rarely have they had extensive psychiatric treatment, though, which is an indispensable part of what I suggested. This guy is too dangerous to society to take such a chance. There are folks at least as dangerous walking around free as a bird. We won't know how dangerous they are until they actually *do* something. He needs to rot in his own personal hell on earth and be an example to every other terrorist what could be their fate. Oh, nonsense. Long prison terms don't deter determined terrorists. What you want is *vengeance*. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 5/4/06 3:49:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This guy is too dangerous to society to take such a chance.There are folks at least as dangerous walking aroundfree as a bird. We won't know how dangerous theyare until they actually *do* something.He needs to rot in his own personal hell on earth and be an example to every other terrorist what could be their fate.Oh, nonsense. Long prison terms don't deter determinedterrorists. What you want is *vengeance*. The difference is, this guy has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt how dangerous he is and no amount of psychiatric treatment or no number of psychiatrists vouching for him can guarantee he wont do it again. He had a chance to live in society and he blew it, big time. Nobody owes him anything, and needs to go to his grave understanding that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: The guy's just a nutcase, an Al-Quaeda wannabe. Yeah right, he and Richard Reid were going to fly the 5th plane. We don't have public mental institutions anymore so they put them in prisons, I guess. Moussoui is just a distraction, a patsy Your use of the word patsy gives you away, you Oliver-Stone- watching-conspiracy-theorist! He's a loose cannon and it's said Al-Qaeda wanted to have nothing to do with him. So was Oswald for that matter. Even an armchair profiler can see that. Sometimes these are not even conspiracies but strategies instead. What if I'm right too? What if my mother had wheels...would she be a car? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 5/4/06 3:49:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: This guy is too dangerous to society to take such a chance. There are folks at least as dangerous walking around free as a bird. We won't know how dangerous they are until they actually *do* something. He needs to rot in his own personal hell on earth and be an example to every other terrorist what could be their fate. Oh, nonsense. Long prison terms don't deter determined terrorists. What you want is *vengeance*. The difference is, this guy has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt how dangerous he is and no amount of psychiatric treatment or no number of psychiatrists vouching for him can guarantee he wont do it again. He had a chance to live in society and he blew it, big time. Nobody owes him anything, and needs to go to his grave understanding that. I'm *in favor* of life without parole for him, given the inadequacy of our psychiatric treatment at rehabilitating folks of his type. But you're kidding yourself if you think he's ever going to understand what you want him to understand. More than likely, being in prison will make him even angrier and more convinced than ever that he's the righteous one. You want him to *suffer*, as your earlier response made clear. But that's just a need for vengeance on your part. You really ought to look at your need to feel avenged. It's not going to bring anybody back, and it's certainly not going to do *you* any good. Some people feel good from it...why deny them? I'm not saying that's the most enlightened approach but, hey, better that the mob gets its jollies than being frustrated at NOT seeing horrible people get what they deserve. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
You've no idea what Massaoui will be like in 10, 20, 30 or 40 years. To condemn someone of 37 to a life in a dungeon with almost no human contact is out of all proportion to the offense. People can change. You seem to be saying two things here. First, lock them up forever; second, if they show genuine remorse, consider freeing them. Massaoui has no such option. He could become as saintly as Mother Teresa but it wouldn't do him any good in that hell-hole. This guy needs help, which of course is anathema to those on this board who relish the idea of vengeance. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Life without parole is an inhuman punishment. Until we discover ways to successfully rehabilitate nutcases like Moussaoui who want to murder innocent people en masse, they need to be kept away from society. We *should* be giving them the best psychiatric treatment, and if they can show that they've been healed, and can express genuine remorse, we might consider freeing them. But at this point the only option is to keep them locked up, not for punishment but for society's protection. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've no idea what Massaoui will be like in 10, 20, 30 or 40 years. Yes, I do. Unlike the victims of 9/11, he'll still be alive. To condemn someone of 37 to a life in a dungeon with almost no human contact is out of all proportion to the offense. ...sounds like Purusha... People can change. You seem to be saying two things here. First, lock them up forever; second, if they show genuine remorse, consider freeing them. Massaoui has no such option. He could become as saintly as Mother Teresa but it wouldn't do him any good in that hell-hole. This guy needs help, which of course is anathema to those on this board who relish the idea of vengeance. Better that the mob gets vengeance through the justice system than be frustrated and take it out thruogh some other venue... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Life without parole is an inhuman punishment. Until we discover ways to successfully rehabilitate nutcases like Moussaoui who want to murder innocent people en masse, they need to be kept away from society. We *should* be giving them the best psychiatric treatment, and if they can show that they've been healed, and can express genuine remorse, we might consider freeing them. But at this point the only option is to keep them locked up, not for punishment but for society's protection. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
In a message dated 5/4/06 4:33:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm *in favor* of life without parole for him, giventhe inadequacy of our psychiatric treatment atrehabilitating folks of his type. But you're kiddingyourself if you think he's ever going to understandwhat you want him to understand. More than likely,being in prison will make him even angrier and moreconvinced than ever that he's the righteous one.You want him to *suffer*, as your earlier responsemade clear. But that's just a need for vengeanceon your part. You really ought to look at yourneed to feel avenged. It's not going to bringanybody back, and it's certainly not going to do*you* any good. Judy you are mistaking if you think I care whether he ever realizes what he did. I don't. I just want him locked away for ever and the last thing I want him to have is a "nice day". He doesn't deserve it. The last thing I want is any future terrorist thinking if he gets caught by the United States he'll have an easy life in a cushy American jail complete with all amenities. Call me hateful, vindictive whatever,I'll reserve my compassion for others a bit more deserving or at least less hostile. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/4/06 4:38 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there anything wrong with vengeance? Romans 12:19-21 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, ³Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.² 20 To the contrary, ³if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.² 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Whoever wrote that is a better man than I. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 5/4/06 2:49:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: We *should* be giving them the best psychiatric treatment, and if they can show that they've been healed, and can express genuine remorse, we might consider freeing them. But at this point the only option is to keep them locked up, not for punishment but for society's protection. I would rather Not take their word for it that he has been *genuinely* healed and genuine remorse can be too easily faked. No, I'd want corroboration from psychiatric experts, a great deal of it with someone as potentially dangerous as Moussaoui. We see criminals let out all the time that go right back and repeat the same crime. Rarely have they had extensive psychiatric treatment, though, which is an indispensable part of what I suggested. This guy is too dangerous to society to take such a chance. There are folks at least as dangerous walking around free as a bird. We won't know how dangerous they are until they actually *do* something. He needs to rot in his own personal hell on earth and be an example to every other terrorist what could be their fate. Oh, nonsense. Long prison terms don't deter determined terrorists. What you want is *vengeance*. Is there anything wrong with vengeance? Moussaoui doesn't think so. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 5/4/06 3:49:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: This guy is too dangerous to society to take such a chance. There are folks at least as dangerous walking around free as a bird. We won't know how dangerous they are until they actually *do* something. He needs to rot in his own personal hell on earth and be an example to every other terrorist what could be their fate. Oh, nonsense. Long prison terms don't deter determined terrorists. What you want is *vengeance*. The difference is, this guy has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt how dangerous he is and no amount of psychiatric treatment or no number of psychiatrists vouching for him can guarantee he wont do it again. He had a chance to live in society and he blew it, big time. Nobody owes him anything, and needs to go to his grave understanding that. I'm *in favor* of life without parole for him, given the inadequacy of our psychiatric treatment at rehabilitating folks of his type. But you're kidding yourself if you think he's ever going to understand what you want him to understand. More than likely, being in prison will make him even angrier and more convinced than ever that he's the righteous one. You want him to *suffer*, as your earlier response made clear. But that's just a need for vengeance on your part. You really ought to look at your need to feel avenged. It's not going to bring anybody back, and it's certainly not going to do *you* any good. Some people feel good from it...why deny them? Why deny them the right to lynch him? I'm sure some people would really enjoy tearing him into little tiny pieces. What you don't seem to realize is that's what motivates the *terrorists*. Moussaoui has said he wanted to kill Americans because America had killed Muslims. Revenge only motivates more revenge. It's a vicious circle. I'm not saying that's the most enlightened approach but, hey, better that the mob gets its jollies than being frustrated at NOT seeing horrible people get what they deserve. No, better they learn not to feel frustrated. Better they learn to feel compassion for people who are driven by such emotions to kill other people. Feel compassion for them, and lock them up so they can't fulfill their compulsions. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/4/06 4:33:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm *in favor* of life without parole for him, given the inadequacy of our psychiatric treatment at rehabilitating folks of his type. But you're kidding yourself if you think he's ever going to understand what you want him to understand. More than likely, being in prison will make him even angrier and more convinced than ever that he's the righteous one. You want him to *suffer*, as your earlier response made clear. But that's just a need for vengeance on your part. You really ought to look at your need to feel avenged. It's not going to bring anybody back, and it's certainly not going to do *you* any good. Judy you are mistaking if you think I care whether he ever realizes what he did. I don't. I just want him locked away for ever and the last thing I want him to have is a nice day. He doesn't deserve it. As I said, you want him to *suffer*. The last thing I want is any future terrorist thinking if he gets caught by the United States he'll have an easy life in a cushy American jail complete with all amenities. It wouldn't make any difference, as I said. Knowing they'll do hard time if they're caught isn't going to deter them in the slightest. Call me hateful, vindictive whatever, I'll reserve my compassion for others a bit more deserving or at least less hostile. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
Please try reading what I wrote, feste. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've no idea what Massaoui will be like in 10, 20, 30 or 40 years. To condemn someone of 37 to a life in a dungeon with almost no human contact is out of all proportion to the offense. People can change. You seem to be saying two things here. First, lock them up forever; second, if they show genuine remorse, consider freeing them. Massaoui has no such option. He could become as saintly as Mother Teresa but it wouldn't do him any good in that hell-hole. This guy needs help, which of course is anathema to those on this board who relish the idea of vengeance. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Life without parole is an inhuman punishment. Until we discover ways to successfully rehabilitate nutcases like Moussaoui who want to murder innocent people en masse, they need to be kept away from society. We *should* be giving them the best psychiatric treatment, and if they can show that they've been healed, and can express genuine remorse, we might consider freeing them. But at this point the only option is to keep them locked up, not for punishment but for society's protection. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
In a message dated 5/4/06 5:32:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Romans 12:19-21 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, forit is written, ³Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.² 20 To thecontrary, ³if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give himsomething to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on hishead.² 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. A beautiful exercise in burning onespersonal karma. However theLord did also say"give unto Caesar what is Caesar's". While this was spokenin regards to paying ones taxes, I think it can also be extended to obeying the laws of the nation. Moussaoui was given a fair trial by the laws of the nation and will be treated fairly according to the law. Some say he was shown compassion by being given a life sentence instead of the death penalty which he also could have received on four of the six charges brought against him. Now it seems for some, Life without parole, is not good enough because he will be in a supermax and in isolation which will be the closest thing to guaranteeing him safety from murder within the prison system. Moussaoui has created his own karma, he has created his own destiny. Vengeance will be the Lords. Now isn't there something in the Gita about Krishna saying not to feel troubled or sorrowful for those he has condemned to suffering?In other words , it's their karma coming back on them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
In a message dated 5/4/06 6:21:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why deny them the right to lynch him? I'm suresome people would really enjoy tearing him intolittle tiny pieces.What you don't seem to realize is that's whatmotivates the *terrorists*. Moussaoui has saidhe wanted to kill Americans because America hadkilled Muslims. Revenge only motivates morerevenge. It's a vicious circle. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
In a message dated 5/4/06 6:26:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I said, you want him to *suffer*.The last thing I want is any future terrorist thinking if he gets caught by the United States he'll have an easy life in a cushy American jail complete with all amenities.It wouldn't make any difference, as I said.Knowing they'll do hard time if they're caughtisn't going to deter them in the slightest. If Moussaoui suffers, it's his ownmaking. I'm not going to feel sorry for him if he does. I realize there are those that think deterrence doesn't work. And I agree it can't be relied on to work all the time. But some people do have enough sense to think before they act, especially if they think far enough in advance, not to get involved in terrorism. Once they are sucked in, it's probably too late. However it is funny to hear stories of Americans interrogating prisoners and once they hear the word "Guantanamo", many timesthe prisoner becomes very cooperative and helpful. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please try reading what I wrote, feste. This is Judy's snotty way of saying that she's better than you. Shea always does that (actually, when she's not telling you non sequitor) Ignore her. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: You've no idea what Massaoui will be like in 10, 20, 30 or 40 years. To condemn someone of 37 to a life in a dungeon with almost no human contact is out of all proportion to the offense. People can change. You seem to be saying two things here. First, lock them up forever; second, if they show genuine remorse, consider freeing them. Massaoui has no such option. He could become as saintly as Mother Teresa but it wouldn't do him any good in that hell-hole. This guy needs help, which of course is anathema to those on this board who relish the idea of vengeance. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Life without parole is an inhuman punishment. Until we discover ways to successfully rehabilitate nutcases like Moussaoui who want to murder innocent people en masse, they need to be kept away from society. We *should* be giving them the best psychiatric treatment, and if they can show that they've been healed, and can express genuine remorse, we might consider freeing them. But at this point the only option is to keep them locked up, not for punishment but for society's protection. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
In a message dated 5/4/06 7:04:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why deny them the right to lynch him?Lynching happens outside the rule of law. Moussaoui has been shown almost infinite more mercy and compassion and due process than any of the victims of the attacks he was in on. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
on 5/3/06 4:36 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just hope Moussoui has a great big horny cell mate with a name like Bubba Epstein. I don't think they make them like that but sure would be nice! I wonder whether being locked up in a cell for a lifetime would be a good opportunity for long rounding, or whether the karma of being in such a place would nullify any effects from meditating. I seem to recall that Sri Aurobindo, who was in prison for a time, I think, said that prison was a good opportunity for meditating... As long as your fellow prisoners allowed you to do so. Prisons can be very noisy and unless you were locked away, you might not feel safe closing your eyes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
In a message dated 5/3/06 5:17:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maussoui wanted to go up and fuck with 70 virgins. Thiscourt has denied him that right.!! I have a feeling those virgins all High fiving each other right now! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentence
The old Judeo-christian texts, ie the old-testament was a con-job. It worked well. So, Prophet Muhammed plagarised the whole thing, altered a few names here and there, and turned it into a Jehadi con-job, which worked just as well..!! Right now there are atleast 3 billion people who still follow this Judeo-christian-Jehadi con-job.! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 18:20:43 EDTSubject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moussoui's Life sentenceI have a feeling those virgins all High fiving each other right now! Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
