Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
On Aug 4, 2011, at 9:44 PM, seventhray1 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: BTW is this service Rory renders an hourly rate or is it billed by intensity? (Cat-o-nine with the metal tips only in the premium Mel Gibson package.) I think we the real question we have to ask is, Is Mark an enabler in this case? I think the evidence might convict him. I guess this is what I would say to that at this darkest hour before the dawn: Yes, a wealth of holes, yes, overblown extravagance and a too facile way of interchanging any component that might conceivably fit anywhere one can and, yes, a blatant disregard for true rigor, but also truth and beauty. In this time of real anguish and unutterable darkness writhing on the face of our planet and in the universe at the depth of this mini-Kali Yug in which we find ourselves, I will take truth and beauty anywhere I can find it. If we can't find truth and beauty in the heartbreaking fragility and staggering magnificence the torus of creation presents and in the principle of truly loving and giving everything in creation within and without us that which each thing truly needs as best we can, where will we find it? All edifices of intellectual manufacture, including those created by the Catholic Church, Maharishi and yes, Rory Goff, will, of necessity, come tumbling down like the houses of cards they are in the face of what we have been working for for eons, if, indeed, we are lucky enough to see any kind of true ascension manifest on the killing fields and within the voracious, all-consuming greed factories we have produced, and, yes, we all, together, have produced these things. For the truth is beyond them all. And if we ever are to begin to approach it, the miracle of our finding our true humility, simplicity, open-hearted generosity, inclusivity, and, yes, our terrifying vulnerable objectivity, will somehow have to occur. If we can incorporate and assimilate it all, and move beyond it, we'll find ourselves standing, clear-eyed, with no need of any prop and hardly believing all the sound and fury signifying nothing. But we'll know we went through it and smile and, maybe, who knows, even join hands with our brethren instead of judging, dismissing and despising them. What kind of world will we then have? How's that for overblown? m Can we supply our own dialogue? Don't want to skeeve anyone out too badly but I would love to be taunted will being whipped: You magical thinker, your epistemology has more holes than a pasta strainer, your premises are dirty, I mean faulty, they are unfounded on either empirical evidence or even sound reasoning. You are a dirty believer aren't you now, a dirty, dirty believer who accepts things on faith you read in books that support slavery and the oppression of women, and you love it don't you? You love your ancient texts full of superstitions because you are a superstitious boy yourself, aren't you now? You are a bad thinking, a bad bad thinker, your thinking is bad and you are wrong but you don't care because you don't love knowledge, you just want to protect your special class of ideas that you hold for bad, bad, dirty reasons. Now tell me you love your masters, all of them, including Sai Baba, say you love Sai Baba and you believe in the second coming of Maitreya and crop circles as alien messages and the hairy monstrous bigfoot (not Bevan)and you believe that John Hegelin has proven scientifically, beyond any doubt, that the chilled-out feeling in meditation IS the basis for the universe, and you believe it because you feel it is right in your dirty, dirty, illogical mind. And you love disco too. You love the pounding beat like a cranial jackhammer pounding in the rhythms of the night.And you eat at McDonalds more than Jason Spurlock did for that 30 days because you hate to cook. Wow! I'm just glad I didn't admit that outside my own head. That is not the kind of confession I would like to go into cyberspace for others to see...hey what is this button for that says send...ooops --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: So, you're outta here until the evening of Aug 12. Bhur hoo! OM MG! I'll have to have Rory give me 50 lashings for missing the opportunity to say, The Buck stops here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
* * Beautiful, Mark! Having myself undergone a dark night of the soul for several years, during which horrific time I lost the golden light of God and Master and my own soul, and my own certainties and special attainments, and where absolutely everything I believed in or held dear crumbled to dust and ashes and eternal grayness, and my entire universe and all its paradisal refuges became just another house of cards tumbling down through the merciless eye of the needle, I can certainly relate to the perfect inevitability and timeliness of this timeless dying to the world. And in retrospect, of course, I would not change a thing; the eternal life or ever-present Reality eventually revealed in the dying of the light is well worth the price of admission, like obtaining a diamond for the price of spinach. Given my own inexpressible love and appreciation of this divinely inevitable process of utter humiliation, which strips us naked of all comfort, purges us in heartbreaking aloneliness, and crucifies us between heaven and earth, I would be the last one to encourage anyone poised at such a threshold to wholeheartedly buy into yet another belief system. If entirely invested in, every belief is simultaneously a prison and an addictive escape from our paradoxical simplicity: every one. And so I continually encourage everyone to consider them all but models or maps, for entertainment purposes only; they are self-portraits, works of art: poetry, not Gospel. We are, Reality is, a priori and eternal and infinitely slippery, subtler than the intellect and hence too subtle to be conceived of, let alone described; it (and we) can only be surrendered into and embraced. *L*L*L* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: On Aug 4, 2011, at 9:44 PM, seventhray1 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: BTW is this service Rory renders an hourly rate or is it billed by intensity? (Cat-o-nine with the metal tips only in the premium Mel Gibson package.) I think we the real question we have to ask is, Is Mark an enabler in this case? I think the evidence might convict him. I guess this is what I would say to that at this darkest hour before the dawn: Yes, a wealth of holes, yes, overblown extravagance and a too facile way of interchanging any component that might conceivably fit anywhere one can and, yes, a blatant disregard for true rigor, but also truth and beauty. In this time of real anguish and unutterable darkness writhing on the face of our planet and in the universe at the depth of this mini-Kali Yug in which we find ourselves, I will take truth and beauty anywhere I can find it. If we can't find truth and beauty in the heartbreaking fragility and staggering magnificence the torus of creation presents and in the principle of truly loving and giving everything in creation within and without us that which each thing truly needs as best we can, where will we find it? All edifices of intellectual manufacture, including those created by the Catholic Church, Maharishi and yes, Rory Goff, will, of necessity, come tumbling down like the houses of cards they are in the face of what we have been working for for eons, if, indeed, we are lucky enough to see any kind of true ascension manifest on the killing fields and within the voracious, all-consuming greed factories we have produced, and, yes, we all, together, have produced these things. For the truth is beyond them all. And if we ever are to begin to approach it, the miracle of our finding our true humility, simplicity, open-hearted generosity, inclusivity, and, yes, our terrifying vulnerable objectivity, will somehow have to occur. If we can incorporate and assimilate it all, and move beyond it, we'll find ourselves standing, clear-eyed, with no need of any prop and hardly believing all the sound and fury signifying nothing. But we'll know we went through it and smile and, maybe, who knows, even join hands with our brethren instead of judging, dismissing and despising them. What kind of world will we then have? How's that for overblown? m Can we supply our own dialogue? Don't want to skeeve anyone out too badly but I would love to be taunted will being whipped: You magical thinker, your epistemology has more holes than a pasta strainer, your premises are dirty, I mean faulty, they are unfounded on either empirical evidence or even sound reasoning. You are a dirty believer aren't you now, a dirty, dirty believer who accepts things on faith you read in books that support slavery and the oppression of women, and you love it don't you? You love your ancient texts full of superstitions because you are a superstitious boy yourself, aren't you now? You are a bad thinking, a bad bad thinker, your thinking is bad and you are wrong but you
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
Thank you for sharing this, and I agree. We do seem to be kindred spirits in many ways, though, of course, we part ways in certain areas. I'm glad we met. Perhaps our association will continue. Perhaps, too, we should talk on the phone sometime. I don't know if we could strike up a real friendship, but, who knows, it might be worth a shot, though, after all this, I'm currently at a loss to know what we might talk about. But don't you mean a posteriori, in the sense of to be directly experienced, not theoretically deduced? m On Aug 5, 2011, at 10:22 AM, RoryGoff wrote: * * Beautiful, Mark! Having myself undergone a dark night of the soul for several years, during which horrific time I lost the golden light of God and Master and my own soul, and my own certainties and special attainments, and where absolutely everything I believed in or held dear crumbled to dust and ashes and eternal grayness, and my entire universe and all its paradisal refuges became just another house of cards tumbling down through the merciless eye of the needle, I can certainly relate to the perfect inevitability and timeliness of this timeless dying to the world. And in retrospect, of course, I would not change a thing; the eternal life or ever-present Reality eventually revealed in the dying of the light is well worth the price of admission, like obtaining a diamond for the price of spinach. Given my own inexpressible love and appreciation of this divinely inevitable process of utter humiliation, which strips us naked of all comfort, purges us in heartbreaking aloneliness, and crucifies us between heaven and earth, I would be the last one to encourage anyone poised at such a threshold to wholeheartedly buy into yet another belief system. If entirely invested in, every belief is simultaneously a prison and an addictive escape from our paradoxical simplicity: every one. And so I continually encourage everyone to consider them all but models or maps, for entertainment purposes only; they are self-portraits, works of art: poetry, not Gospel. We are, Reality is, a priori and eternal and infinitely slippery, subtler than the intellect and hence too subtle to be conceived of, let alone described; it (and we) can only be surrendered into and embraced. *L*L*L* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: On Aug 4, 2011, at 9:44 PM, seventhray1 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: BTW is this service Rory renders an hourly rate or is it billed by intensity? (Cat-o-nine with the metal tips only in the premium Mel Gibson package.) I think we the real question we have to ask is, Is Mark an enabler in this case? I think the evidence might convict him. I guess this is what I would say to that at this darkest hour before the dawn: Yes, a wealth of holes, yes, overblown extravagance and a too facile way of interchanging any component that might conceivably fit anywhere one can and, yes, a blatant disregard for true rigor, but also truth and beauty. In this time of real anguish and unutterable darkness writhing on the face of our planet and in the universe at the depth of this mini-Kali Yug in which we find ourselves, I will take truth and beauty anywhere I can find it. If we can't find truth and beauty in the heartbreaking fragility and staggering magnificence the torus of creation presents and in the principle of truly loving and giving everything in creation within and without us that which each thing truly needs as best we can, where will we find it? All edifices of intellectual manufacture, including those created by the Catholic Church, Maharishi and yes, Rory Goff, will, of necessity, come tumbling down like the houses of cards they are in the face of what we have been working for for eons, if, indeed, we are lucky enough to see any kind of true ascension manifest on the killing fields and within the voracious, all-consuming greed factories we have produced, and, yes, we all, together, have produced these things. For the truth is beyond them all. And if we ever are to begin to approach it, the miracle of our finding our true humility, simplicity, open-hearted generosity, inclusivity, and, yes, our terrifying vulnerable objectivity, will somehow have to occur. If we can incorporate and assimilate it all, and move beyond it, we'll find ourselves standing, clear-eyed, with no need of any prop and hardly believing all the sound and fury signifying nothing. But we'll know we went through it and smile and, maybe, who knows, even join hands with our brethren instead of judging, dismissing and despising them. What kind of world will we then have? How's that for overblown? m Can we supply our own dialogue? Don't want to skeeve anyone out too badly but I would
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
You may have missed this one. But I think this soundtrack and presentation would go well with your little sermon. I enjoyed it and yes agree that it is overblown. But Charlie could deliver it well I think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLci5DoZqHU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLci5DoZqHU --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: On Aug 4, 2011, at 9:44 PM, seventhray1 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: BTW is this service Rory renders an hourly rate or is it billed by intensity? (Cat-o-nine with the metal tips only in the premium Mel Gibson package.) I think we the real question we have to ask is, Is Mark an enabler in this case? I think the evidence might convict him. I guess this is what I would say to that at this darkest hour before the dawn: Yes, a wealth of holes, yes, overblown extravagance and a too facile way of interchanging any component that might conceivably fit anywhere one can and, yes, a blatant disregard for true rigor, but also truth and beauty. In this time of real anguish and unutterable darkness writhing on the face of our planet and in the universe at the depth of this mini-Kali Yug in which we find ourselves, I will take truth and beauty anywhere I can find it. If we can't find truth and beauty in the heartbreaking fragility and staggering magnificence the torus of creation presents and in the principle of truly loving and giving everything in creation within and without us that which each thing truly needs as best we can, where will we find it? All edifices of intellectual manufacture, including those created by the Catholic Church, Maharishi and yes, Rory Goff, will, of necessity, come tumbling down like the houses of cards they are in the face of what we have been working for for eons, if, indeed, we are lucky enough to see any kind of true ascension manifest on the killing fields and within the voracious, all-consuming greed factories we have produced, and, yes, we all, together, have produced these things. For the truth is beyond them all. And if we ever are to begin to approach it, the miracle of our finding our true humility, simplicity, open-hearted generosity, inclusivity, and, yes, our terrifying vulnerable objectivity, will somehow have to occur. If we can incorporate and assimilate it all, and move beyond it, we'll find ourselves standing, clear-eyed, with no need of any prop and hardly believing all the sound and fury signifying nothing. But we'll know we went through it and smile and, maybe, who knows, even join hands with our brethren instead of judging, dismissing and despising them. What kind of world will we then have? How's that for overblown? m Can we supply our own dialogue? Don't want to skeeve anyone out too badly but I would love to be taunted will being whipped: You magical thinker, your epistemology has more holes than a pasta strainer, your premises are dirty, I mean faulty, they are unfounded on either empirical evidence or even sound reasoning. You are a dirty believer aren't you now, a dirty, dirty believer who accepts things on faith you read in books that support slavery and the oppression of women, and you love it don't you? You love your ancient texts full of superstitions because you are a superstitious boy yourself, aren't you now? You are a bad thinking, a bad bad thinker, your thinking is bad and you are wrong but you don't care because you don't love knowledge, you just want to protect your special class of ideas that you hold for bad, bad, dirty reasons. Now tell me you love your masters, all of them, including Sai Baba, say you love Sai Baba and you believe in the second coming of Maitreya and crop circles as alien messages and the hairy monstrous bigfoot (not Bevan)and you believe that John Hegelin has proven scientifically, beyond any doubt, that the chilled-out feeling in meditation IS the basis for the universe, and you believe it because you feel it is right in your dirty, dirty, illogical mind. And you love disco too. You love the pounding beat like a cranial jackhammer pounding in the rhythms of the night.And you eat at McDonalds more than Jason Spurlock did for that 30 days because you hate to cook. Wow! I'm just glad I didn't admit that outside my own head. That is not the kind of confession I would like to go into cyberspace for others to see...hey what is this button for that says send...ooops --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: So, you're outta here until the evening of Aug 12. Bhur hoo! OM MG! I'll have to have Rory give me 50 lashings for missing the opportunity to say, The Buck stops here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
I know a few folks who are looking for work. Are the voracious, all-consuming greed factories hiring? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: * * Beautiful, Mark! Having myself undergone a dark night of the soul for several years, during which horrific time I lost the golden light of God and Master and my own soul, and my own certainties and special attainments, and where absolutely everything I believed in or held dear crumbled to dust and ashes and eternal grayness, and my entire universe and all its paradisal refuges became just another house of cards tumbling down through the merciless eye of the needle, I can certainly relate to the perfect inevitability and timeliness of this timeless dying to the world. And in retrospect, of course, I would not change a thing; the eternal life or ever-present Reality eventually revealed in the dying of the light is well worth the price of admission, like obtaining a diamond for the price of spinach. Given my own inexpressible love and appreciation of this divinely inevitable process of utter humiliation, which strips us naked of all comfort, purges us in heartbreaking aloneliness, and crucifies us between heaven and earth, I would be the last one to encourage anyone poised at such a threshold to wholeheartedly buy into yet another belief system. If entirely invested in, every belief is simultaneously a prison and an addictive escape from our paradoxical simplicity: every one. And so I continually encourage everyone to consider them all but models or maps, for entertainment purposes only; they are self-portraits, works of art: poetry, not Gospel. We are, Reality is, a priori and eternal and infinitely slippery, subtler than the intellect and hence too subtle to be conceived of, let alone described; it (and we) can only be surrendered into and embraced. *L*L*L* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: On Aug 4, 2011, at 9:44 PM, seventhray1 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: BTW is this service Rory renders an hourly rate or is it billed by intensity? (Cat-o-nine with the metal tips only in the premium Mel Gibson package.) I think we the real question we have to ask is, Is Mark an enabler in this case? I think the evidence might convict him. I guess this is what I would say to that at this darkest hour before the dawn: Yes, a wealth of holes, yes, overblown extravagance and a too facile way of interchanging any component that might conceivably fit anywhere one can and, yes, a blatant disregard for true rigor, but also truth and beauty. In this time of real anguish and unutterable darkness writhing on the face of our planet and in the universe at the depth of this mini-Kali Yug in which we find ourselves, I will take truth and beauty anywhere I can find it. If we can't find truth and beauty in the heartbreaking fragility and staggering magnificence the torus of creation presents and in the principle of truly loving and giving everything in creation within and without us that which each thing truly needs as best we can, where will we find it? All edifices of intellectual manufacture, including those created by the Catholic Church, Maharishi and yes, Rory Goff, will, of necessity, come tumbling down like the houses of cards they are in the face of what we have been working for for eons, if, indeed, we are lucky enough to see any kind of true ascension manifest on the killing fields and within the voracious, all-consuming greed factories we have produced, and, yes, we all, together, have produced these things. For the truth is beyond them all. And if we ever are to begin to approach it, the miracle of our finding our true humility, simplicity, open-hearted generosity, inclusivity, and, yes, our terrifying vulnerable objectivity, will somehow have to occur. If we can incorporate and assimilate it all, and move beyond it, we'll find ourselves standing, clear-eyed, with no need of any prop and hardly believing all the sound and fury signifying nothing. But we'll know we went through it and smile and, maybe, who knows, even join hands with our brethren instead of judging, dismissing and despising them. What kind of world will we then have? How's that for overblown? m Can we supply our own dialogue? Don't want to skeeve anyone out too badly but I would love to be taunted will being whipped: You magical thinker, your epistemology has more holes than a pasta strainer, your premises are dirty, I mean faulty, they are unfounded on either empirical evidence or even sound reasoning. You are a dirty believer aren't you now, a dirty, dirty believer who accepts things on faith you read in books that support slavery and the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
Thank you, 7th ray, nice, touching and somewhat hilarious, though in the context of his doing what he could to counterbalance what was happening in the world and the little I know of the toll it took on him, a little sad. How many eons have voices in the dark worlds been saying such things? On Aug 5, 2011, at 8:24 PM, seventhray1 wrote: You may have missed this one. But I think this soundtrack and presentation would go well with your little sermon. I enjoyed it and yes agree that it is overblown. But Charlie could deliver it well I think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLci5DoZqHU --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: On Aug 4, 2011, at 9:44 PM, seventhray1 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: BTW is this service Rory renders an hourly rate or is it billed by intensity? (Cat-o-nine with the metal tips only in the premium Mel Gibson package.) I think we the real question we have to ask is, Is Mark an enabler in this case? I think the evidence might convict him. I guess this is what I would say to that at this darkest hour before the dawn: Yes, a wealth of holes, yes, overblown extravagance and a too facile way of interchanging any component that might conceivably fit anywhere one can and, yes, a blatant disregard for true rigor, but also truth and beauty. In this time of real anguish and unutterable darkness writhing on the face of our planet and in the universe at the depth of this mini-Kali Yug in which we find ourselves, I will take truth and beauty anywhere I can find it. If we can't find truth and beauty in the heartbreaking fragility and staggering magnificence the torus of creation presents and in the principle of truly loving and giving everything in creation within and without us that which each thing truly needs as best we can, where will we find it? All edifices of intellectual manufacture, including those created by the Catholic Church, Maharishi and yes, Rory Goff, will, of necessity, come tumbling down like the houses of cards they are in the face of what we have been working for for eons, if, indeed, we are lucky enough to see any kind of true ascension manifest on the killing fields and within the voracious, all-consuming greed factories we have produced, and, yes, we all, together, have produced these things. For the truth is beyond them all. And if we ever are to begin to approach it, the miracle of our finding our true humility, simplicity, open-hearted generosity, inclusivity, and, yes, our terrifying vulnerable objectivity, will somehow have to occur. If we can incorporate and assimilate it all, and move beyond it, we'll find ourselves standing, clear-eyed, with no need of any prop and hardly believing all the sound and fury signifying nothing. But we'll know we went through it and smile and, maybe, who knows, even join hands with our brethren instead of judging, dismissing and despising them. What kind of world will we then have? How's that for overblown? m Can we supply our own dialogue? Don't want to skeeve anyone out too badly but I would love to be taunted will being whipped: You magical thinker, your epistemology has more holes than a pasta strainer, your premises are dirty, I mean faulty, they are unfounded on either empirical evidence or even sound reasoning. You are a dirty believer aren't you now, a dirty, dirty believer who accepts things on faith you read in books that support slavery and the oppression of women, and you love it don't you? You love your ancient texts full of superstitions because you are a superstitious boy yourself, aren't you now? You are a bad thinking, a bad bad thinker, your thinking is bad and you are wrong but you don't care because you don't love knowledge, you just want to protect your special class of ideas that you hold for bad, bad, dirty reasons. Now tell me you love your masters, all of them, including Sai Baba, say you love Sai Baba and you believe in the second coming of Maitreya and crop circles as alien messages and the hairy monstrous bigfoot (not Bevan)and you believe that John Hegelin has proven scientifically, beyond any doubt, that the chilled-out feeling in meditation IS the basis for the universe, and you believe it because you feel it is right in your dirty, dirty, illogical mind. And you love disco too. You love the pounding beat like a cranial jackhammer pounding in the rhythms of the night.And you eat at McDonalds more than Jason Spurlock did for that 30 days because you hate to cook. Wow! I'm just glad I didn't admit that outside my own head. That is not the kind of confession I would like to go into cyberspace for others to see...hey
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
At least one is hiring to replace me. On Aug 5, 2011, at 8:57 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: I know a few folks who are looking for work. Are the voracious, all-consuming greed factories hiring? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: * * Beautiful, Mark! Having myself undergone a dark night of the soul for several years, during which horrific time I lost the golden light of God and Master and my own soul, and my own certainties and special attainments, and where absolutely everything I believed in or held dear crumbled to dust and ashes and eternal grayness, and my entire universe and all its paradisal refuges became just another house of cards tumbling down through the merciless eye of the needle, I can certainly relate to the perfect inevitability and timeliness of this timeless dying to the world. And in retrospect, of course, I would not change a thing; the eternal life or ever-present Reality eventually revealed in the dying of the light is well worth the price of admission, like obtaining a diamond for the price of spinach. Given my own inexpressible love and appreciation of this divinely inevitable process of utter humiliation, which strips us naked of all comfort, purges us in heartbreaking aloneliness, and crucifies us between heaven and earth, I would be the last one to encourage anyone poised at such a threshold to wholeheartedly buy into yet another belief system. If entirely invested in, every belief is simultaneously a prison and an addictive escape from our paradoxical simplicity: every one. And so I continually encourage everyone to consider them all but models or maps, for entertainment purposes only; they are self-portraits, works of art: poetry, not Gospel. We are, Reality is, a priori and eternal and infinitely slippery, subtler than the intellect and hence too subtle to be conceived of, let alone described; it (and we) can only be surrendered into and embraced. *L*L*L* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: On Aug 4, 2011, at 9:44 PM, seventhray1 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: BTW is this service Rory renders an hourly rate or is it billed by intensity? (Cat-o-nine with the metal tips only in the premium Mel Gibson package.) I think we the real question we have to ask is, Is Mark an enabler in this case? I think the evidence might convict him. I guess this is what I would say to that at this darkest hour before the dawn: Yes, a wealth of holes, yes, overblown extravagance and a too facile way of interchanging any component that might conceivably fit anywhere one can and, yes, a blatant disregard for true rigor, but also truth and beauty. In this time of real anguish and unutterable darkness writhing on the face of our planet and in the universe at the depth of this mini-Kali Yug in which we find ourselves, I will take truth and beauty anywhere I can find it. If we can't find truth and beauty in the heartbreaking fragility and staggering magnificence the torus of creation presents and in the principle of truly loving and giving everything in creation within and without us that which each thing truly needs as best we can, where will we find it? All edifices of intellectual manufacture, including those created by the Catholic Church, Maharishi and yes, Rory Goff, will, of necessity, come tumbling down like the houses of cards they are in the face of what we have been working for for eons, if, indeed, we are lucky enough to see any kind of true ascension manifest on the killing fields and within the voracious, all-consuming greed factories we have produced, and, yes, we all, together, have produced these things. For the truth is beyond them all. And if we ever are to begin to approach it, the miracle of our finding our true humility, simplicity, open-hearted generosity, inclusivity, and, yes, our terrifying vulnerable objectivity, will somehow have to occur. If we can incorporate and assimilate it all, and move beyond it, we'll find ourselves standing, clear-eyed, with no need of any prop and hardly believing all the sound and fury signifying nothing. But we'll know we went through it and smile and, maybe, who knows, even join hands with our brethren instead of judging, dismissing and despising them. What kind of world will we then have? How's that for overblown? m Can we supply our own dialogue? Don't want to skeeve anyone out too badly but I would love to be taunted will being whipped: You magical thinker, your epistemology has more holes than a pasta strainer, your premises are dirty, I mean faulty, they are unfounded on either empirical evidence or even
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
Yes, Mark, that sounds good! Feel free to email me whenever you would like to connect. And it would be fun to meet; if you ever make it to Fairfield, please be sure to look us up. I meant a priori in that Realization is even prior to direct experience; experience is itself the feedback or the a posteriori effect of Reality. Change our intellectual (mis)understanding and (non)acceptance of this as-it-is a priori Reality, and we immediately change the subsequent a posteriori direct experience. Experience is in a sense (or all senses) the particle's a posteriori response to Our a priori field-thought :-) So Reality is a priori in the sense that it is primordial and unconditional; because Wholeness is outside of space and time, it is here even now, and this is what Wholeness looks like in this moment. *L*L*L* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: Thank you for sharing this, and I agree. We do seem to be kindred spirits in many ways, though, of course, we part ways in certain areas. I'm glad we met. Perhaps our association will continue. Perhaps, too, we should talk on the phone sometime. I don't know if we could strike up a real friendship, but, who knows, it might be worth a shot, though, after all this, I'm currently at a loss to know what we might talk about. But don't you mean a posteriori, in the sense of to be directly experienced, not theoretically deduced? m On Aug 5, 2011, at 10:22 AM, RoryGoff wrote: * * Beautiful, Mark! Having myself undergone a dark night of the soul for several years, during which horrific time I lost the golden light of God and Master and my own soul, and my own certainties and special attainments, and where absolutely everything I believed in or held dear crumbled to dust and ashes and eternal grayness, and my entire universe and all its paradisal refuges became just another house of cards tumbling down through the merciless eye of the needle, I can certainly relate to the perfect inevitability and timeliness of this timeless dying to the world. And in retrospect, of course, I would not change a thing; the eternal life or ever-present Reality eventually revealed in the dying of the light is well worth the price of admission, like obtaining a diamond for the price of spinach. Given my own inexpressible love and appreciation of this divinely inevitable process of utter humiliation, which strips us naked of all comfort, purges us in heartbreaking aloneliness, and crucifies us between heaven and earth, I would be the last one to encourage anyone poised at such a threshold to wholeheartedly buy into yet another belief system. If entirely invested in, every belief is simultaneously a prison and an addictive escape from our paradoxical simplicity: every one. And so I continually encourage everyone to consider them all but models or maps, for entertainment purposes only; they are self-portraits, works of art: poetry, not Gospel. We are, Reality is, a priori and eternal and infinitely slippery, subtler than the intellect and hence too subtle to be conceived of, let alone described; it (and we) can only be surrendered into and embraced. *L*L*L* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: On Aug 4, 2011, at 9:44 PM, seventhray1 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: BTW is this service Rory renders an hourly rate or is it billed by intensity? (Cat-o-nine with the metal tips only in the premium Mel Gibson package.) I think we the real question we have to ask is, Is Mark an enabler in this case? I think the evidence might convict him. I guess this is what I would say to that at this darkest hour before the dawn: Yes, a wealth of holes, yes, overblown extravagance and a too facile way of interchanging any component that might conceivably fit anywhere one can and, yes, a blatant disregard for true rigor, but also truth and beauty. In this time of real anguish and unutterable darkness writhing on the face of our planet and in the universe at the depth of this mini-Kali Yug in which we find ourselves, I will take truth and beauty anywhere I can find it. If we can't find truth and beauty in the heartbreaking fragility and staggering magnificence the torus of creation presents and in the principle of truly loving and giving everything in creation within and without us that which each thing truly needs as best we can, where will we find it? All edifices of intellectual manufacture, including those created by the Catholic Church, Maharishi and yes, Rory Goff, will, of necessity, come tumbling down like the houses of cards they are in the face of what we have been working for for eons, if, indeed, we are lucky enough to see any kind of true
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
That is good. Take a look at Janet Sussman for example. There are others. Her teaching fulfills a lot of what you peg as a more secular meditational/spiritual non-religious practice. She has been at it for a long time as a spiritual teacher. You can google her name. She also has a page at http://timeportalpubs.com/about.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Thought I'd take a shot at answering some of my own questions: What would a completely secularized set of meditation and self-development techniques LOOK LIKE? If you were to design one or speculate about one, what would it involve and not involve? No teacher reverence, and no hierarchy. There would almost certainly be teachers, but IMO students would perceive and treat them more as friends or mentors than spiritual teachers. In my mythical secular org, the emphasis would be on the pragmatic and the practical, not on philosophy or intangible subjective goals like enlightenment. The way I figure it is that if you get your meditation cookin' and your life workin' well, either the enlightenment stuff will take care of itself or you can find some more traditional path to help you get there. Also, there would not only be no prohibitions against psychiatry or other therapies, if they've proved of value they would be integrated into the recommended set of practices. Needless to say, the org's finances should be completely transparent and available to the public. Romantic or sexual relationships between teachers and students would be completely verboten; if a teacher chooses to pursue one he or she should step down as a teacher with the org. Most important, the whole recommended set of techniques should be FUN; students should *want* to be practicing them, not feel as if they had to. Which elements from traditional spiritual practices would you preserve, and which would you not? I would include some form of sitting meditation, mindfulness, some suggested form of bodywork such as yoga or martial arts, and talks on the pragmatic aspects of spiritual practice. The latter might include talks on work as sadhana (how to extend your spiritual practice into the realm of career and make work itself a form of meditation), and ethics from the inside out (no list of do's and don'ts, more training in how to become more aware of minor shifts in your state of attention, so that you can use those shits to clue you in as to whether you're doing the right thing or the wrong thing). As with FFL, any topic would be fair game as long as the students have an interest in it and all agree that discussing it would help them in their own self discovery. No question would ever be considered heretical or Off The Program. If the meditation practices you suggest use mantras, where would they come from? If I were to try to create a true secular spiriuality, I wouldn't recommend meditation that used mantras at all. I'd teach a simple form of meditation that involved a light focus on the heart chakra, followed by letting go. I'd probably demo such a method both meditating to music and in silence, and suggest that students practice the one that feels best to them. I've taught such a method before and found that students can learn it very quickly and effectively, and that they report many subjective benefits from that form of meditation, as many as were ever reported to me when teaching TM. In talks my mythical secular org would then describe other forms of meditation and encourage the students to try them out if they felt they wanted to. There would be zero restrictions on seeing other teachers or performing other techniques. If the meditation practices don't involve mantras, what would they be? For example, some techniques rely on visualization, either inwardly or with the eyes open, on certain designs (yantras, mandalas) or individuals (gods, goddesses, saints). Would you use these same objects of focus, or others? If others, what would they be? I doubt I'd recommend heavy visualization techniques to folks just starting meditation, but again my mythical org would discuss the various types and their supposed benefits and tell students where they could learn them. If we had to recommend a starting point, I suspect that a lot of the geometric yantra designs would pass the secular sniff test. More traditional mandalas or images of holy folks definitely would not. How would you make this technique or set of techniques attractive to people who could benefit from them without relying on the appeal to 'lineage' or 'tradition?' Word of mouth. Success stories. And, if anyone wanted to do some research, that would be gravy. I don't value lineage the way that many do, and I suspect most people in the real world don't either. Bottom line is that the recommended set of techniques would either work in the lives of the students or they wouldn't. If they do, then the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: That is good. Take a look at Janet Sussman for example. There are others. Her teaching fulfills a lot of what you peg as a more secular meditational/spiritual non-religious practice. She has been at it for a long time as a spiritual teacher. You can google her name. She also has a page at http://timeportalpubs.com/about.htm Buck, I think it's great when you post responses like this that actually have substance. However, you also insist on posting those cascade posts that add nothing and only burn up your allotment of posts. Unfortunately for you, this post was your 51st for the week. Tomorrow's post count will say you're at 50, but I've made it clear several times that the post count is off this week, and I've posted corrected counts for the top posters, including you. So, you're outta here until the evening of Aug 12.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
Doug, If you find out about a service for Jeff, please email me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: That is good. Take a look at Janet Sussman for example. There are others. Her teaching fulfills a lot of what you peg as a more secular meditational/spiritual non-religious practice. She has been at it for a long time as a spiritual teacher. You can google her name. She also has a page at http://timeportalpubs.com/about.htm Buck, I think it's great when you post responses like this that actually have substance. However, you also insist on posting those cascade posts that add nothing and only burn up your allotment of posts. Unfortunately for you, this post was your 51st for the week. Tomorrow's post count will say you're at 50, but I've made it clear several times that the post count is off this week, and I've posted corrected counts for the top posters, including you. So, you're outta here until the evening of Aug 12.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: So, you're outta here until the evening of Aug 12. Bhur hoo! OM MG! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: That is good. Take a look at Janet Sussman for example. There are others. Her teaching fulfills a lot of what you peg as a more secular meditational/spiritual non-religious practice. She has been at it for a long time as a spiritual teacher. You can google her name. She also has a page at http://timeportalpubs.com/about.htm Buck, I think it's great when you post responses like this that actually have substance. However, you also insist on posting those cascade posts that add nothing and only burn up your allotment of posts. Unfortunately for you, this post was your 51st for the week. Tomorrow's post count will say you're at 50, but I've made it clear several times that the post count is off this week, and I've posted corrected counts for the top posters, including you. So, you're outta here until the evening of Aug 12.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: So, you're outta here until the evening of Aug 12. Bhur hoo! OM MG! I'll have to have Rory give me 50 lashings for missing the opportunity to say, The Buck stops here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip If I were to try to create a true secular spiriuality, I wouldn't recommend meditation that used mantras at all. snip I doubt I'd recommend heavy visualization techniques to folks just starting meditation, but again my mythical org would discuss the various types and their supposed benefits and tell students where they could learn them. If we had to recommend a starting point, I suspect that a lot of the geometric yantra designs would pass the secular sniff test. More traditional mandalas or images of holy folks definitely would not. I'm curious why you feel you could recommend geometric yantras but not mantras, at least not bija mantras, since both are deeply embedded in religious traditions in which they are said to be abstract representations of qualities of the divine. Why would geometric yantras pass the secular sniff test, but bija mantras would not? Seems to me the explanations of why, despite their religious associations, a yantra or a mantra can be used in a purely secular meditation context would be very similar.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: I'll have to have Rory give me 50 lashings for missing the opportunity to say, The Buck stops here. The save counts, I missed it too. BTW is this service Rory renders an hourly rate or is it billed by intensity? (Cat-o-nine with the metal tips only in the premium Mel Gibson package.) Can we supply our own dialogue? Don't want to skeeve anyone out too badly but I would love to be taunted will being whipped: You magical thinker, your epistemology has more holes than a pasta strainer, your premises are dirty, I mean faulty, they are unfounded on either empirical evidence or even sound reasoning. You are a dirty believer aren't you now, a dirty, dirty believer who accepts things on faith you read in books that support slavery and the oppression of women, and you love it don't you? You love your ancient texts full of superstitions because you are a superstitious boy yourself, aren't you now? You are a bad thinking, a bad bad thinker, your thinking is bad and you are wrong but you don't care because you don't love knowledge, you just want to protect your special class of ideas that you hold for bad, bad, dirty reasons. Now tell me you love your masters, all of them, including Sai Baba, say you love Sai Baba and you believe in the second coming of Maitreya and crop circles as alien messages and the hairy monstrous bigfoot (not Bevan)and you believe that John Hegelin has proven scientifically, beyond any doubt, that the chilled-out feeling in meditation IS the basis for the universe, and you believe it because you feel it is right in your dirty, dirty, illogical mind. And you love disco too. You love the pounding beat like a cranial jackhammer pounding in the rhythms of the night.And you eat at McDonalds more than Jason Spurlock did for that 30 days because you hate to cook. Wow! I'm just glad I didn't admit that outside my own head. That is not the kind of confession I would like to go into cyberspace for others to see...hey what is this button for that says send...ooops --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: So, you're outta here until the evening of Aug 12. Bhur hoo! OM MG! I'll have to have Rory give me 50 lashings for missing the opportunity to say, The Buck stops here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: I'll have to have Rory give me 50 lashings for missing the opportunity to say, The Buck stops here. The save counts, I missed it too. BTW is this service Rory renders an hourly rate or is it billed by intensity? (Cat-o-nine with the metal tips only in the premium Mel Gibson package.) Can we supply our own dialogue? Don't want to skeeve anyone out too badly but I would love to be taunted will being whipped: You magical thinker, your epistemology has more holes than a pasta strainer, your premises are dirty, I mean faulty, they are unfounded on either empirical evidence or even sound reasoning. You are a dirty believer aren't you now, a dirty, dirty believer who accepts things on faith you read in books that support slavery and the oppression of women, and you love it don't you? You love your ancient texts full of superstitions because you are a superstitious boy yourself, aren't you now? You are a bad thinking, a bad bad thinker, your thinking is bad and you are wrong but you don't care because you don't love knowledge, you just want to protect your special class of ideas that you hold for bad, bad, dirty reasons. Now tell me you love your masters, all of them, including Sai Baba, say you love Sai Baba and you believe in the second coming of Maitreya and crop circles as alien messages and the hairy monstrous bigfoot (not Bevan)and you believe that John Hegelin has proven scientifically, beyond any doubt, that the chilled-out feeling in meditation IS the basis for the universe, and you believe it because you feel it is right in your dirty, dirty, illogical mind. And you love disco too. You love the pounding beat like a cranial jackhammer pounding in the rhythms of the night.And you eat at McDonalds more than Jason Spurlock did for that 30 days because you hate to cook. Wow! I'm just glad I didn't admit that outside my own head. That is not the kind of confession I would like to go into cyberspace for others to see...hey what is this button for that says send...ooops * * Thank you for your interest in our unique services, Curtis. Before you sign with us, please carefully read the fine print below: A: All of our services are unconditionally free, unlimited, and based upon our client's genuine willingness to receive, once you have unburdened yourself of all of your physical goods and chattels, estate(s) both real and personal, and prior metaphysical concepts and/or beliefs by charitable donation to us. B: You may try deducting any or all of your charitable donation(s) on your federal income-tax return, but we are not responsible for how the IRS decides to treat your deduction and, consequently, to treat you. For that matter, we cannot and shall not be held responsible for any aspect of your life, as defined by you, anywhere in any dimension at any time: past, present or future, real or imagined. C: In some circumstances and for as long as we deem necessary, we may also require other uncoerced donations, including but not limited to any or all of your time, energy, talents, emotions, health, relationships, reputation, self-esteem, and/or sanity, as conventionally defined. Depending upon the nature of your attachment(s), as determined by us, we may or may not return all or any of these donations, or any portion thereof, to you, should you decide to leave us at any time, or should we at any time decide to downsize you. Should such a decision on the part of either party become necessary, you will be responsible for forming your own exit strategies and/or finding or creating your own support-group to attempt a recovery. In re any responsibility on our part, please review Paragraph B, above. D: In return for your sizable donation(s) you will probably receive room, board, course credits, a modest living stipend, and a temporary set of working beliefs for as long as you continue to interest us, though we reserve the right to revoke any or all of these, temporarily or permanently, at any time for any reason, stated or unstated. If and when you no longer interest us, you're on your own. (See also paragraph C, above.) If your donations amount to $1,000,000 or more, you may also be required to wear ridiculous costumes in public and participate in other masochistic rituals, as we deem suitable. (Your signature here) As you probably have already heard, Curtis, we are a full-spectrum service, offering everything from the very highest-intensity mind-blowing ultraviolation down to the fundamentally warm and tingly infra-rediwhipping you mention above. But Curtis, we feel you would be wasting your talents as a client; with your multiple gifts of tongues, charisma, and dramaturgy, you really should consider working with us as an
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: All this sounds vaguely familiar, I think I signed this exact document when I became a teacher! You left out the part of equitable relief if the contract (which we were not given a copy of) was broken. I appreciate your generous offer to join the staff of your fair and balanced services. I'm not sure I can ever commit to top or bottom however, so I remain too ambivalent to be effective in laying it on the customers. I would be the guy who would untie them and tell them to run, run like the wind, run Forest run! Excellent rap Rory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: I'll have to have Rory give me 50 lashings for missing the opportunity to say, The Buck stops here. The save counts, I missed it too. BTW is this service Rory renders an hourly rate or is it billed by intensity? (Cat-o-nine with the metal tips only in the premium Mel Gibson package.) Can we supply our own dialogue? Don't want to skeeve anyone out too badly but I would love to be taunted will being whipped: You magical thinker, your epistemology has more holes than a pasta strainer, your premises are dirty, I mean faulty, they are unfounded on either empirical evidence or even sound reasoning. You are a dirty believer aren't you now, a dirty, dirty believer who accepts things on faith you read in books that support slavery and the oppression of women, and you love it don't you? You love your ancient texts full of superstitions because you are a superstitious boy yourself, aren't you now? You are a bad thinking, a bad bad thinker, your thinking is bad and you are wrong but you don't care because you don't love knowledge, you just want to protect your special class of ideas that you hold for bad, bad, dirty reasons. Now tell me you love your masters, all of them, including Sai Baba, say you love Sai Baba and you believe in the second coming of Maitreya and crop circles as alien messages and the hairy monstrous bigfoot (not Bevan)and you believe that John Hegelin has proven scientifically, beyond any doubt, that the chilled-out feeling in meditation IS the basis for the universe, and you believe it because you feel it is right in your dirty, dirty, illogical mind. And you love disco too. You love the pounding beat like a cranial jackhammer pounding in the rhythms of the night.And you eat at McDonalds more than Jason Spurlock did for that 30 days because you hate to cook. Wow! I'm just glad I didn't admit that outside my own head. That is not the kind of confession I would like to go into cyberspace for others to see...hey what is this button for that says send...ooops * * Thank you for your interest in our unique services, Curtis. Before you sign with us, please carefully read the fine print below: A: All of our services are unconditionally free, unlimited, and based upon our client's genuine willingness to receive, once you have unburdened yourself of all of your physical goods and chattels, estate(s) both real and personal, and prior metaphysical concepts and/or beliefs by charitable donation to us. B: You may try deducting any or all of your charitable donation(s) on your federal income-tax return, but we are not responsible for how the IRS decides to treat your deduction and, consequently, to treat you. For that matter, we cannot and shall not be held responsible for any aspect of your life, as defined by you, anywhere in any dimension at any time: past, present or future, real or imagined. C: In some circumstances and for as long as we deem necessary, we may also require other uncoerced donations, including but not limited to any or all of your time, energy, talents, emotions, health, relationships, reputation, self-esteem, and/or sanity, as conventionally defined. Depending upon the nature of your attachment(s), as determined by us, we may or may not return all or any of these donations, or any portion thereof, to you, should you decide to leave us at any time, or should we at any time decide to downsize you. Should such a decision on the part of either party become necessary, you will be responsible for forming your own exit strategies and/or finding or creating your own support-group to attempt a recovery. In re any responsibility on our part, please review Paragraph B, above. D: In return for your sizable donation(s) you will probably receive room, board, course credits, a modest living stipend, and a temporary set of working beliefs for as long as you continue to interest us, though we reserve the right to revoke any or all of these, temporarily or permanently, at any time for any reason, stated or unstated. If and when you no
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secular Spirituality, the followup
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: BTW is this service Rory renders an hourly rate or is it billed by intensity? (Cat-o-nine with the metal tips only in the premium Mel Gibson package.) I think we the real question we have to ask is, Is Mark an enabler in this case? I think the evidence might convict him. Can we supply our own dialogue? Don't want to skeeve anyone out too badly but I would love to be taunted will being whipped: You magical thinker, your epistemology has more holes than a pasta strainer, your premises are dirty, I mean faulty, they are unfounded on either empirical evidence or even sound reasoning. You are a dirty believer aren't you now, a dirty, dirty believer who accepts things on faith you read in books that support slavery and the oppression of women, and you love it don't you? You love your ancient texts full of superstitions because you are a superstitious boy yourself, aren't you now? You are a bad thinking, a bad bad thinker, your thinking is bad and you are wrong but you don't care because you don't love knowledge, you just want to protect your special class of ideas that you hold for bad, bad, dirty reasons. Now tell me you love your masters, all of them, including Sai Baba, say you love Sai Baba and you believe in the second coming of Maitreya and crop circles as alien messages and the hairy monstrous bigfoot (not Bevan)and you believe that John Hegelin has proven scientifically, beyond any doubt, that the chilled-out feeling in meditation IS the basis for the universe, and you believe it because you feel it is right in your dirty, dirty, illogical mind. And you love disco too. You love the pounding beat like a cranial jackhammer pounding in the rhythms of the night.And you eat at McDonalds more than Jason Spurlock did for that 30 days because you hate to cook. Wow! I'm just glad I didn't admit that outside my own head. That is not the kind of confession I would like to go into cyberspace for others to see...hey what is this button for that says send...ooops --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: So, you're outta here until the evening of Aug 12. Bhur hoo! OM MG! I'll have to have Rory give me 50 lashings for missing the opportunity to say, The Buck stops here.
