[FairfieldLife] Re: The karma of eating our mothers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are lots of meditation techniques that provide the experience what MMY termed transcendence. If so, then they are TM and therefore really powerful. Don't play with words Willy, So, we are agreed that there are lots of meditation techniques that provide the experience that MMY termed transcendence. But there's only One Transcendental. You'd have to be checked by an experienced checker in order to asertain if you actually were transcending and practicing your technique correctly. Maharishi is the only Master, through Brahmandanda Saraswathi, that has given a methology to describe and correct effortless meditation. The Turk, Vaj and the rest of the dreamers and New Agers are lost in phraseology and will most probably not get out of that mud in this lifetime.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The karma of eating our mothers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Now you're sounding like Prabhupada of ISKCON. That's cool, I go to the Hare Krishna restaurant every time I'm in London. Excellent tucker, and they chant at the food when they're cooking it. You don't get service like that at MacDonalds! In Berkely, California the ISKCON folks offer the food for free as part of their proselytizing efforts. The chant is a vedic method to turn the food into prasada, or as an offering to Krishna. Thus, eating this food becomes wholesome, or divine. I go to the local temple here on Sunday nights when they have their feasts...and they're also free. At the risk of sounding like a mood-maker, I must say that I have consistent transcending experiences eating their food and, yes, I attribute that to the chanting they do over the food they prepare, the offering of it to Krishna, and the fact that monks prepare it. No mood-making there, I get this too. Not very time but enough to make me wonder. Perhaps the music they play helps? I think it's a clear sign they must have something profound to offer. I agree. They don't play music at the temple I frequent, at least not while the food is served and eaten. First time I had this kind of blissful trip at a Krishan place it really felt like it started in my stomach like the sort of thing MMY talked happening about when digestion is perfect. Thing is I never go that when at a TM place and I stick to the ayurvedic diet rather closely because it seems to do me a lot of good in other ways. Another element: in addition to being vegetarian, there do not use garlic, onion, mushrooms, or eggs which I think applies to TMO kitchens these days too, no? That's exactly the stuff that you have to drop, whcih came as a shock because it's all most veggies eat. But it's worth it for how it makes you feel. Garlic and onions are very aggravating if you can drop them for a while you might feel a lot more settled inside, that's what I found anyway. But here's what I find interesting: this temple's kitchen doesn't buy organic. Nor do they consciously adhere to ayurvedic principles (I asked). The one in London isn't organic either, I don't know if it's a cost issue but they're confident their system is good enough. Certainly tasty enough, and all their profits go towards handing out food to the homeless which is cool. I thought about joining them once because the food is good, is that the right sort of reason to commit to a different religion I wonder? Also, he said that meat eating is the main cause of wars throughout the world. Is that because most veggies are too weak to pick up guns? No. Meat-eating causes high pitta aggravation among the people, thus making them extremely susceptible to violence. Also, according to Prabhupada, meat-eating causes the bad karma of violence, which the animals experience during their death. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I acknowledge and fully subscribe to the maxim that the ways and means of karma are unfathomable. Nevertheless, I cannot help thinking of something after having seen one of Alex Baldwin's excellent PETA public service videos which I am sure most of you have seen. I'm talking about the ones in which he narrates hidden footage of operatives inside slaughterhouses, farms, labs, etc. One I saw a few days ago (sorry, I lost the link) contained footage and narrative that informs the viewer that most of the hamburger meat we eat in the U.S. comes from dairy cows who, no longer needed to produce milk because of age, go to slaughter. And, of course, horrible footage of cramped quarters in transporting said beast and how they slaughter them are enough to make you lose your meal. But even if the daily cows were treated wonderfully in life and death, I have to wonder this: milk is a complete and whole food that we are provided with in order to nourish us and give us life. Dairy cows are, in effect, like our mothers. We then, in turn, eat our
[FairfieldLife] Re: The karma of eating our mothers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Now you're sounding like Prabhupada of ISKCON. That's cool, I go to the Hare Krishna restaurant every time I'm in London. Excellent tucker, and they chant at the food when they're cooking it. You don't get service like that at MacDonalds! In Berkely, California the ISKCON folks offer the food for free as part of their proselytizing efforts. The chant is a vedic method to turn the food into prasada, or as an offering to Krishna. Thus, eating this food becomes wholesome, or divine. I go to the local temple here on Sunday nights when they have their feasts...and they're also free. At the risk of sounding like a mood-maker, I must say that I have consistent transcending experiences eating their food and, yes, I attribute that to the chanting they do over the food they prepare, the offering of it to Krishna, and the fact that monks prepare it. No mood-making there, I get this too. Not very time but enough to make me wonder. Perhaps the music they play helps? I think it's a clear sign they must have something profound to offer. I agree. They don't play music at the temple I frequent, at least not while the food is served and eaten. First time I had this kind of blissful trip at a Krishan place it really felt like it started in my stomach like the sort of thing MMY talked happening about when digestion is perfect. Thing is I never go that when at a TM place and I stick to the ayurvedic diet rather closely because it seems to do me a lot of good in other ways. Another element: in addition to being vegetarian, there do not use garlic, onion, mushrooms, or eggs which I think applies to TMO kitchens these days too, no? That's exactly the stuff that you have to drop, whcih came as a shock because it's all most veggies eat. But it's worth it for how it makes you feel. Garlic and onions are very aggravating if you can drop them for a while you might feel a lot more settled inside, that's what I found anyway. But here's what I find interesting: this temple's kitchen doesn't buy organic. Nor do they consciously adhere to ayurvedic principles (I asked). The one in London isn't organic either, I don't know if it's a cost issue but they're confident their system is good enough. Certainly tasty enough, and all their profits go towards handing out food to the homeless which is cool. I thought about joining them once because the food is good, is that the right sort of reason to commit to a different religion I wonder? Well, I never had the fantasy of joining them but I did have the fantasy of becoming filthy rich and being in the position of being able to hire those very same cooks to make my meals three times a day, seven days a week...
[FairfieldLife] Re: The karma of eating our mothers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Now you're sounding like Prabhupada of ISKCON. That's cool, I go to the Hare Krishna restaurant every time I'm in London. Excellent tucker, and they chant at the food when they're cooking it. You don't get service like that at MacDonalds! In Berkely, California the ISKCON folks offer the food for free as part of their proselytizing efforts. The chant is a vedic method to turn the food into prasada, or as an offering to Krishna. Thus, eating this food becomes wholesome, or divine. I go to the local temple here on Sunday nights when they have their feasts...and they're also free. At the risk of sounding like a mood-maker, I must say that I have consistent transcending experiences eating their food and, yes, I attribute that to the chanting they do over the food they prepare, the offering of it to Krishna, and the fact that monks prepare it. No mood-making there, I get this too. Not very time but enough to make me wonder. Perhaps the music they play helps? I think it's a clear sign they must have something profound to offer. I agree. They don't play music at the temple I frequent, at least not while the food is served and eaten. First time I had this kind of blissful trip at a Krishan place it really felt like it started in my stomach like the sort of thing MMY talked happening about when digestion is perfect. Thing is I never go that when at a TM place and I stick to the ayurvedic diet rather closely because it seems to do me a lot of good in other ways. Another element: in addition to being vegetarian, there do not use garlic, onion, mushrooms, or eggs which I think applies to TMO kitchens these days too, no? That's exactly the stuff that you have to drop, whcih came as a shock because it's all most veggies eat. But it's worth it for how it makes you feel. Garlic and onions are very aggravating if you can drop them for a while you might feel a lot more settled inside, that's what I found anyway. But here's what I find interesting: this temple's kitchen doesn't buy organic. Nor do they consciously adhere to ayurvedic principles (I asked). The one in London isn't organic either, I don't know if it's a cost issue but they're confident their system is good enough. Certainly tasty enough, and all their profits go towards handing out food to the homeless which is cool. I thought about joining them once because the food is good, is that the right sort of reason to commit to a different religion I wonder? Well, I never had the fantasy of joining them but I did have the fantasy of becoming filthy rich and being in the position of being able to hire those very same cooks to make my meals three times a day, seven days a week... You think big, I like it. But if you did that you'd miss out on the rather good foxy babe ratio they seem to have. But then they make a virtue out of celibacy so it all works itself out. I make do with a copy of their cookbook, but it's not the same if you're not a good chanter.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The karma of eating our mothers
Check out the ad that pops up when you rollover meals or restaurants in the first paragraph of this Hare Krishna link: http://www.vegetarian-restaurants.net/OtherInfo/HK-Temples-USA.htm http://www.vegetarian-restaurants.net/OtherInfo/HK-Temples-USA.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: The karma of eating our mothers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out the ad that pops up when you rollover meals or restaurants in the first paragraph of this Hare Krishna link: http://www.vegetarian-restaurants.net/OtherInfo/HK-Temples-USA.htm http://www.vegetarian-restaurants.net/OtherInfo/HK-Temples-USA.htm I didn't get any ads, maybe it goes through a different server. But there's a list of all Krisna places, you seem well catered for over there but there's only two in the UK. Here's my local one: http://www.iskcon-london.org/govindas-london.html They do *the* best desserts. Hmmm, getting hungry already...
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On Jul 10, 2008, at 8:38 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: This would help explain the appearance of long-term Purushas who, last I popped in to visit them, in the late 80's, they looked like death warmed over: fragile, pale, anemic and depleted, like they had been vampirized. A psychic friend who accompanied us on the visit didn't want to even get near them! I only responded to the anemia issue, which is most likely due to iron deficiency. But people can screw themselves up with their diets in any number of ways. Especially if other things are going on. Like not enough exercise. Undiagnosed health problems. Too much time meditating. It's been also rumored that there's a lot of Osteoporosis on Purusha and Mother Divine, also due to inadequate diet, exercise and improper medical treatment. It's scary what people will do in the misguided attempt to follow a guru's instruction. So much for invincibility, huh? :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 10, 2008, at 8:38 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: This would help explain the appearance of long-term Purushas who, last I popped in to visit them, in the late 80's, they looked like death warmed over: fragile, pale, anemic and depleted, like they had been vampirized. A psychic friend who accompanied us on the visit didn't want to even get near them! I only responded to the anemia issue, which is most likely due to iron deficiency. But people can screw themselves up with their diets in any number of ways. Especially if other things are going on. Like not enough exercise. Undiagnosed health problems. Too much time meditating. It's been also rumored that there's a lot of Osteoporosis on Purusha and Mother Divine, also due to inadequate diet, exercise and improper medical treatment. It's scary what people will do in the misguided attempt to follow a guru's instruction. So much for invincibility, huh? :-) My experience on a year long course was that my digestion died. This is very common in the TMO and extremely unpleasant, esp- cially for someone like me who likes a bit of a scoff. Yet it isn't talked about, in fact talk about it being something to do with the programme is actively put down. I never heard a convincing explanation from ayurveda other than that it's like when you clean a pot, first time you scrub it dirt comes off and after that it starts to get better. I think that implies it's part of the unstressing process. Whatever, it aint pleasant and I've seen eighteen year olds from MMY schools having to eat ginger pickle to get their digestion going. It seemed to me that after just sitting in silence for 9 hours a day my metabolism had slowed to the point where it couldn't get going enough to digest something. It must have a negative effect on your bodies ability to process nutrients not that you get much of those with all that overcooked rice and dhal. I was eating protein tablets and vitamins and I was still rather frail at the end of it. I think this is another thing that should be studied in relation to TM and health as it's apparently very common.
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On Jul 11, 2008, at 7:45 AM, Hugo wrote: My experience on a year long course was that my digestion died. This is very common in the TMO and extremely unpleasant, esp- cially for someone like me who likes a bit of a scoff. Yet it isn't talked about, in fact talk about it being something to do with the programme is actively put down. I never heard a convincing explanation from ayurveda other than that it's like when you clean a pot, first time you scrub it dirt comes off and after that it starts to get better. I think that implies it's part of the unstressing process. Whatever, it aint pleasant and I've seen eighteen year olds from MMY schools having to eat ginger pickle to get their digestion going. It seemed to me that after just sitting in silence for 9 hours a day my metabolism had slowed to the point where it couldn't get going enough to digest something. It must have a negative effect on your bodies ability to process nutrients not that you get much of those with all that overcooked rice and dhal. I was eating protein tablets and vitamins and I was still rather frail at the end of it. I think this is another thing that should be studied in relation to TM and health as it's apparently very common. Not sure what to make of that, it's as if it induces not only mental flatness, but corresponding digestive flatness as well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The karma of eating our mothers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 11, 2008, at 7:45 AM, Hugo wrote: My experience on a year long course was that my digestion died. This is very common in the TMO and extremely unpleasant, esp- cially for someone like me who likes a bit of a scoff. Yet it isn't talked about, in fact talk about it being something to do with the programme is actively put down. I never heard a convincing explanation from ayurveda other than that it's like when you clean a pot, first time you scrub it dirt comes off and after that it starts to get better. I think that implies it's part of the unstressing process. Whatever, it aint pleasant and I've seen eighteen year olds from MMY schools having to eat ginger pickle to get their digestion going. It seemed to me that after just sitting in silence for 9 hours a day my metabolism had slowed to the point where it couldn't get going enough to digest something. It must have a negative effect on your bodies ability to process nutrients not that you get much of those with all that overcooked rice and dhal. I was eating protein tablets and vitamins and I was still rather frail at the end of it. I think this is another thing that should be studied in relation to TM and health as it's apparently very common. Not sure what to make of that, it's as if it induces not only mental flatness, but corresponding digestive flatness as well. I'm surprised if you haven't heard of it before. It aint nice but as I say it's brushed off. I would say that out of the 80 of us who were on this course for the whole year two-thirds were having problems. I'd like to hear if anyone else on here has experienced it, seems unlikely that it was just the course I was on. Especially when you see how the purusha look generally. As for the mental flatness; No, I didn't feel as good as I'd hoped after the course, very spaced out. But I was putting it down to the old unstressing, I wouldn't do it again. It definitely took a long time to get back into the swing of things.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The karma of eating our mothers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My experience on a year long course was that my digestion died. This is very common in the TMO and extremely unpleasant, esp- cially for someone like me who likes a bit of a scoff. Yet it isn't talked about, in fact talk about it being something to do with the programme is actively put down. I never heard a convincing explanation from ayurveda other than that it's like when you clean a pot, first time you scrub it dirt comes off and after that it starts to get better. I think that implies it's part of the unstressing process. Whatever, it aint pleasant and I've seen eighteen year olds from MMY schools having to eat ginger pickle to get their digestion going. I'm fortunate in having a robust digestive tract that can digest pretty much anything. The carb-heavy grain and beans only made me fat, dull, and lethargic; switching to a more paleo diet took the weight off and restored my energy. Others aren't so lucky. There's a guy in FF who I've seen on another diet related Yahoo group, and his is probably one of the most extreme cases of a Roo diet destroying health. The guy can now barely eat or keep weight on, and the diagnosis seems to be gastroparesis. As for spiritual awakening experiences, I didn't start having them until after I'd changed my diet to include more meat and far less gain and beans. Go figure...
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: My experience on a year long course was that my digestion died. This is very common in the TMO and extremely unpleasant, esp- cially for someone like me who likes a bit of a scoff. Yet it isn't talked about, in fact talk about it being something to do with the programme is actively put down. I never heard a convincing explanation from ayurveda other than that it's like when you clean a pot, first time you scrub it dirt comes off and after that it starts to get better. I think that implies it's part of the unstressing process. Whatever, it aint pleasant and I've seen eighteen year olds from MMY schools having to eat ginger pickle to get their digestion going. I'm fortunate in having a robust digestive tract that can digest pretty much anything. The carb-heavy grain and beans only made me fat, dull, and lethargic; switching to a more paleo diet took the weight off and restored my energy. Others aren't so lucky. There's a guy in FF who I've seen on another diet related Yahoo group, and his is probably one of the most extreme cases of a Roo diet destroying health. The guy can now barely eat or keep weight on, and the diagnosis seems to be gastroparesis. You think it might be diet more than the TMSP slowing down the digestion? Perhaps, but I had a strong eat-anything stomach before that course and I'd eat the typical ayruvedic mush that we all had. Maybe it was a mixture, but I think my idea that the metabolism slows down so much the digestion packs up is quite likely. I remember it was so bad once I couldn't eat anything for four days and then had to wean myself back onto solid food with hot milk then this dhal recipe I'd been given. Hmmm you can tell they must get it all the time if they have special recipes to nurse you with. I Can't believe I kept doing it! There you go, live and learn. Eventually. I wonder what the chances are of DOJ and the boys invest- igating this little aspect of TM and health, perhaps we'll see it in the next volume of the collected papers. D'you think? As for spiritual awakening experiences, I didn't start having them until after I'd changed my diet to include more meat and far less gain and beans. Go figure... I guess it's kind of ironic that MMY taught that perfect digestion is crucial to enlightenement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The karma of eating our mothers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Now you're sounding like Prabhupada of ISKCON. That's cool, I go to the Hare Krishna restaurant every time I'm in London. Excellent tucker, and they chant at the food when they're cooking it. You don't get service like that at MacDonalds! In Berkely, California the ISKCON folks offer the food for free as part of their proselytizing efforts. The chant is a vedic method to turn the food into prasada, or as an offering to Krishna. Thus, eating this food becomes wholesome, or divine. I go to the local temple here on Sunday nights when they have their feasts...and they're also free. At the risk of sounding like a mood-maker, I must say that I have consistent transcending experiences eating their food and, yes, I attribute that to the chanting they do over the food they prepare, the offering of it to Krishna, and the fact that monks prepare it. No mood-making there, I get this too. Not very time but enough to make me wonder. Perhaps the music they play helps? I think it's a clear sign they must have something profound to offer. I agree. They don't play music at the temple I frequent, at least not while the food is served and eaten. First time I had this kind of blissful trip at a Krishan place it really felt like it started in my stomach like the sort of thing MMY talked happening about when digestion is perfect. Thing is I never go that when at a TM place and I stick to the ayurvedic diet rather closely because it seems to do me a lot of good in other ways. Another element: in addition to being vegetarian, there do not use garlic, onion, mushrooms, or eggs which I think applies to TMO kitchens these days too, no? That's exactly the stuff that you have to drop, whcih came as a shock because it's all most veggies eat. But it's worth it for how it makes you feel. Garlic and onions are very aggravating if you can drop them for a while you might feel a lot more settled inside, that's what I found anyway. But here's what I find interesting: this temple's kitchen doesn't buy organic. Nor do they consciously adhere to ayurvedic principles (I asked). The one in London isn't organic either, I don't know if it's a cost issue but they're confident their system is good enough. Certainly tasty enough, and all their profits go towards handing out food to the homeless which is cool. I thought about joining them once because the food is good, is that the right sort of reason to commit to a different religion I wonder? Well, I never had the fantasy of joining them but I did have the fantasy of becoming filthy rich and being in the position of being able to hire those very same cooks to make my meals three times a day, seven days a week... You think big, I like it. But if you did that you'd miss out on the rather good foxy babe ratio they seem to have. But then they make a virtue out of celibacy so it all works itself out. I make do with a copy of their cookbook, but it's not the same if you're not a good chanter. Which one? I bought the large and expensive Lord Krisna's Cuisine and did not like it. This is perhaps unfair of me to say as I only tried one recipe -- the semolina halva, one of my favourite dishes -- and it did NOT turn out like the wonderful halva I get at the temple. As for the chanting, if you ask them, as I did, how to offer the food they make to Krishna, they'll tell you the procedure although I am sure it doesn't get the same effects as they, as celibates, get.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Now you're sounding like Prabhupada of ISKCON. That's cool, I go to the Hare Krishna restaurant every time I'm in London. Excellent tucker, and they chant at the food when they're cooking it. You don't get service like that at MacDonalds! In Berkely, California the ISKCON folks offer the food for free as part of their proselytizing efforts. The chant is a vedic method to turn the food into prasada, or as an offering to Krishna. Thus, eating this food becomes wholesome, or divine. I go to the local temple here on Sunday nights when they have their feasts...and they're also free. At the risk of sounding like a mood-maker, I must say that I have consistent transcending experiences eating their food and, yes, I attribute that to the chanting they do over the food they prepare, the offering of it to Krishna, and the fact that monks prepare it. No mood-making there, I get this too. Not very time but enough to make me wonder. Perhaps the music they play helps? I think it's a clear sign they must have something profound to offer. I agree. They don't play music at the temple I frequent, at least not while the food is served and eaten. First time I had this kind of blissful trip at a Krishan place it really felt like it started in my stomach like the sort of thing MMY talked happening about when digestion is perfect. Thing is I never go that when at a TM place and I stick to the ayurvedic diet rather closely because it seems to do me a lot of good in other ways. Another element: in addition to being vegetarian, there do not use garlic, onion, mushrooms, or eggs which I think applies to TMO kitchens these days too, no? That's exactly the stuff that you have to drop, whcih came as a shock because it's all most veggies eat. But it's worth it for how it makes you feel. Garlic and onions are very aggravating if you can drop them for a while you might feel a lot more settled inside, that's what I found anyway. But here's what I find interesting: this temple's kitchen doesn't buy organic. Nor do they consciously adhere to ayurvedic principles (I asked). The one in London isn't organic either, I don't know if it's a cost issue but they're confident their system is good enough. Certainly tasty enough, and all their profits go towards handing out food to the homeless which is cool. I thought about joining them once because the food is good, is that the right sort of reason to commit to a different religion I wonder? Well, I never had the fantasy of joining them but I did have the fantasy of becoming filthy rich and being in the position of being able to hire those very same cooks to make my meals three times a day, seven days a week... You think big, I like it. But if you did that you'd miss out on the rather good foxy babe ratio they seem to have. But then they make a virtue out of celibacy so it all works itself out. I make do with a copy of their cookbook, but it's not the same if you're not a good chanter. Which one? I bought the large and expensive Lord Krisna's Cuisine and did not like it. This is perhaps unfair of me to say as I only tried one recipe -- the semolina halva, one of my favourite dishes -- and it did NOT turn out like the wonderful halva I get at the temple. As for the chanting, if you ask them, as I did, how to offer the food they make to Krishna, they'll tell you the procedure although I am sure it doesn't get the same effects as they, as celibates, get. I saw an advert for kitchen staff in their London restaurant and thought about going for it, I guess it must have applied
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bob_brigante wrote: *** For that 10 months of TM before I quit eating meat, I certainly did feel that I was transcending -- it was only when my awareness had grown to a certain level that I could no longer tolerate the dulling effect of eating meat (I had quit alcohol and cigarettes, effortlessly, simply because they were no longer fun to do, in the same week about two months earlier). There's no requirement to change any habits to do TM because regular practitioners will make any changes that need to be made in order to evolve, without any effort or feeling that one is shortchanging one's desires in order to get on the evolution train. Of course, if one is doing a useless meditation technique, or the couch-potato technique, diet does not cause discomfort because dullness doesn't mind things that pile on more dullness. And what are useless meditation techniques, Bob?
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shempmcgurk wrote: Well, I never had the fantasy of joining them but I did have the fantasy of becoming filthy rich and being in the position of being able to hire those very same cooks to make my meals three times a day, seven days a week... Dream on. Must be those right-wing or libertarian philosophies that have kept that desire from materializing while lefties live well and prosper. :D :D :D
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Vaj wrote: On Jul 10, 2008, at 8:38 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: This would help explain the appearance of long-term Purushas who, last I popped in to visit them, in the late 80's, they looked like death warmed over: fragile, pale, anemic and depleted, like they had been vampirized. A psychic friend who accompanied us on the visit didn't want to even get near them! I only responded to the anemia issue, which is most likely due to iron deficiency. But people can screw themselves up with their diets in any number of ways. Especially if other things are going on. Like not enough exercise. Undiagnosed health problems. Too much time meditating. It's been also rumored that there's a lot of Osteoporosis on Purusha and Mother Divine, also due to inadequate diet, exercise and improper medical treatment. It's scary what people will do in the misguided attempt to follow a guru's instruction. So much for invincibility, huh? :-) If their diets were anything like what was served on some of the TTCs or sidha courses no wonder. Let's see there was the cauliflower diet, the bell pepper diet, the broccoli diet..
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Hugo wrote: My experience on a year long course was that my digestion died. This is very common in the TMO and extremely unpleasant, esp- cially for someone like me who likes a bit of a scoff. Yet it isn't talked about, in fact talk about it being something to do with the programme is actively put down. I never heard a convincing explanation from ayurveda other than that it's like when you clean a pot, first time you scrub it dirt comes off and after that it starts to get better. I think that implies it's part of the unstressing process. Whatever, it aint pleasant and I've seen eighteen year olds from MMY schools having to eat ginger pickle to get their digestion going. It seemed to me that after just sitting in silence for 9 hours a day my metabolism had slowed to the point where it couldn't get going enough to digest something. It must have a negative effect on your bodies ability to process nutrients not that you get much of those with all that overcooked rice and dhal. I was eating protein tablets and vitamins and I was still rather frail at the end of it. I think this is another thing that should be studied in relation to TM and health as it's apparently very common. In general Indians have kapha constitutions and westerners pitta. They both tend to get the same imbalance: vata. Massive rounding and cheap veggie diets on those course make people more vata. Vata imbalances lead to poor digestion.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hugo wrote: My experience on a year long course was that my digestion died. This is very common in the TMO and extremely unpleasant, esp- cially for someone like me who likes a bit of a scoff. Yet it isn't talked about, in fact talk about it being something to do with the programme is actively put down. I never heard a convincing explanation from ayurveda other than that it's like when you clean a pot, first time you scrub it dirt comes off and after that it starts to get better. I think that implies it's part of the unstressing process. Whatever, it aint pleasant and I've seen eighteen year olds from MMY schools having to eat ginger pickle to get their digestion going. It seemed to me that after just sitting in silence for 9 hours a day my metabolism had slowed to the point where it couldn't get going enough to digest something. It must have a negative effect on your bodies ability to process nutrients not that you get much of those with all that overcooked rice and dhal. I was eating protein tablets and vitamins and I was still rather frail at the end of it. I think this is another thing that should be studied in relation to TM and health as it's apparently very common. In general Indians have kapha constitutions and westerners pitta. They both tend to get the same imbalance: vata. Massive rounding and cheap veggie diets on those course make people more vata. Vata imbalances lead to poor digestion. I know not a lot about Ayurveda - but vata is the principle of movement is it not? That would be extinguished by rounding I would have thought. Wouldn't rounding be expected to increase kapha? (and I am sure I heard/read somewhere that westerners tended primarily towards vata?)
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I bought the large and expensive Lord Krisna's Cuisine and did not like it. This is perhaps unfair of me to say as I only tried one recipe -- the semolina halva, one of my favourite dishes -- and it did NOT turn out like the wonderful halva I get at the temple. It's like reading a Puritan cookbook. They are totally untrustworthy concerning anything of the senses. No Indian eats that way. The micro-cuisines of India are a wonderland as long at the hand stirring the pot doesn't view this life as maya to be endured rather than the culinary party that it is. And since I am on a food rant I'll add that fresh ginger pickles rock! The movement didn't invent them, but that is how I learned about them. Another fresh pickle that rocks is fresh turmeric root pickle made the same way. My Gujarati friend turned me on to them. Goes great with sacred cow too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Now you're sounding like Prabhupada of ISKCON. That's cool, I go to the Hare Krishna restaurant every time I'm in London. Excellent tucker, and they chant at the food when they're cooking it. You don't get service like that at MacDonalds! In Berkely, California the ISKCON folks offer the food for free as part of their proselytizing efforts. The chant is a vedic method to turn the food into prasada, or as an offering to Krishna. Thus, eating this food becomes wholesome, or divine. I go to the local temple here on Sunday nights when they have their feasts...and they're also free. At the risk of sounding like a mood-maker, I must say that I have consistent transcending experiences eating their food and, yes, I attribute that to the chanting they do over the food they prepare, the offering of it to Krishna, and the fact that monks prepare it. No mood-making there, I get this too. Not very time but enough to make me wonder. Perhaps the music they play helps? I think it's a clear sign they must have something profound to offer. I agree. They don't play music at the temple I frequent, at least not while the food is served and eaten. First time I had this kind of blissful trip at a Krishan place it really felt like it started in my stomach like the sort of thing MMY talked happening about when digestion is perfect. Thing is I never go that when at a TM place and I stick to the ayurvedic diet rather closely because it seems to do me a lot of good in other ways. Another element: in addition to being vegetarian, there do not use garlic, onion, mushrooms, or eggs which I think applies to TMO kitchens these days too, no? That's exactly the stuff that you have to drop, whcih came as a shock because it's all most veggies eat. But it's worth it for how it makes you feel. Garlic and onions are very aggravating if you can drop them for a while you might feel a lot more settled inside, that's what I found anyway. But here's what I find interesting: this temple's kitchen doesn't buy organic. Nor do they consciously adhere to ayurvedic principles (I asked). The one in London isn't organic either, I don't know if it's a cost issue but they're confident their system is good enough. Certainly tasty enough, and all their profits go towards handing out food to the homeless which is cool. I thought about joining them once because the food is good, is that the right sort of reason to commit to a different religion I wonder? Well, I never had the fantasy of joining them but I did have the fantasy of becoming filthy rich and being in the position of being able to hire those very same cooks to make my meals three times a day, seven days a week... You think big, I like it. But if you did that
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Richard M wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hugo wrote: My experience on a year long course was that my digestion died. This is very common in the TMO and extremely unpleasant, esp- cially for someone like me who likes a bit of a scoff. Yet it isn't talked about, in fact talk about it being something to do with the programme is actively put down. I never heard a convincing explanation from ayurveda other than that it's like when you clean a pot, first time you scrub it dirt comes off and after that it starts to get better. I think that implies it's part of the unstressing process. Whatever, it aint pleasant and I've seen eighteen year olds from MMY schools having to eat ginger pickle to get their digestion going. It seemed to me that after just sitting in silence for 9 hours a day my metabolism had slowed to the point where it couldn't get going enough to digest something. It must have a negative effect on your bodies ability to process nutrients not that you get much of those with all that overcooked rice and dhal. I was eating protein tablets and vitamins and I was still rather frail at the end of it. I think this is another thing that should be studied in relation to TM and health as it's apparently very common. In general Indians have kapha constitutions and westerners pitta. They both tend to get the same imbalance: vata. Massive rounding and cheap veggie diets on those course make people more vata. Vata imbalances lead to poor digestion. I know not a lot about Ayurveda - but vata is the principle of movement is it not? That would be extinguished by rounding I would have thought. Wouldn't rounding be expected to increase kapha? (and I am sure I heard/read somewhere that westerners tended primarily towards vata?) Maybe body wise kapha but the mind due to the increased meditation would become more vata. Certainly there were folks on TTC including myself that gained weight but in general the course I was on wasn't austere as far as food with though we had more than our share of cauliflower. We did have eggs available every morning, fish or chicken twice a week and usually tuna available on guru day at the buffet. People when they have vata imbalances can put on weight too because they will be trying to ground out and their body is trying to slow them down by eating more. If they are vegetarian they might wind up eating more carbs which are usually fine for vata types because carbs are calming but can put weight on otherwise. If a kapha type wants to diet usually a low carb diet works fine and is specified in ayurveda because kapha types have problems with carbs (obviously the opposite of vata types.). You probably read about vata imbalances. You have your constitutional type (prakriti) and your functioning type (vakriti) which is the imbalance. You adjust for the latter and the former is used as a guide to see what can go out of balance or as some practitioners say when in balance you may function more like your constitutional type. Remember that vata is air/ether and relates to increased prana. Kapha is increased ojas (earth/water) and Pitta increase tejas (fire). It gets complicated and thats why I recommend folks take a workshop or two on ayurveda rather than just seeing a practitioner every now and then. You can learn to watch for your own imbalances and adjust for them. Practitioners will tell you that some folks with balance their doshas in just a few days and others might take months if not years. A good practitioner will help you watch out for yourself or even recommend a workshop.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: Check out the ad that pops up when you rollover meals or restaurants in the first paragraph of this Hare Krishna link: http://www.vegetarian-restaurants.net/OtherInfo/HK-Temples-USA.htm http://www.vegetarian-restaurants.net/OtherInfo/HK-Temples- USA.htm I didn't get any ads, maybe it goes through a different server. But there's a list of all Krisna places, you seem well catered for over there but there's only two in the UK. Here's my local one: http://www.iskcon-london.org/govindas-london.html They do *the* best desserts. Hmmm, getting hungry already... The ads are for Carls Jr. with an offer of big juicy hamburgers for a buck off -- they're prolly not in the UK, so the ads don't show there? I used to eat regularly at the Los Angeles temple back in the 80s, definitely the best HK food I've had -- at Xmas, they would actually put gold foil in the food, a very sattvic/ojas touch. Also used to eat a lot at the Honolulu restaurant run by the temple there, very refreshing food.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bob_brigante wrote: *** For that 10 months of TM before I quit eating meat, I certainly did feel that I was transcending -- it was only when my awareness had grown to a certain level that I could no longer tolerate the dulling effect of eating meat (I had quit alcohol and cigarettes, effortlessly, simply because they were no longer fun to do, in the same week about two months earlier). There's no requirement to change any habits to do TM because regular practitioners will make any changes that need to be made in order to evolve, without any effort or feeling that one is shortchanging one's desires in order to get on the evolution train. Of course, if one is doing a useless meditation technique, or the couch-potato technique, diet does not cause discomfort because dullness doesn't mind things that pile on more dullness. And what are useless meditation techniques, Bob? *** Only transcending is useful in breaking the grip of the limitations imposed by mind on the life of an individual. Practicing meditation techniques that only make the mind more dull and do not lead to transcendence is a choice that some people make since authentic Vedic meditation was lost for a while, but that's soon going to be yesterday's news. India is a mess because many people practice these useless meditation techniques (or quit meditating because of lack of results), but it will become clear to everybody there and elsewhere that TM means a restoration of the correct practice of transcendence, and things will change rapidly when that knowledge does become commonplace. MMY did point out that he was not counting on large numbers of people learning TM because of the chaos in the atmosphere of the Kali Yuga -- rather, the pundits need to purify the atmosphere first, and this is what will enable the restoration of Vedic civilization and Sat Yuga.
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bob_brigante wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what are useless meditation techniques, Bob? *** Only transcending is useful in breaking the grip of the limitations imposed by mind on the life of an individual. Practicing meditation techniques that only make the mind more dull and do not lead to transcendence is a choice that some people make since authentic Vedic meditation was lost for a while, but that's soon going to be yesterday's news. India is a mess because many people practice these useless meditation techniques (or quit meditating because of lack of results), but it will become clear to everybody there and elsewhere that TM means a restoration of the correct practice of transcendence, and things will change rapidly when that knowledge does become commonplace. MMY did point out that he was not counting on large numbers of people learning TM because of the chaos in the atmosphere of the Kali Yuga -- rather, the pundits need to purify the atmosphere first, and this is what will enable the restoration of Vedic civilization and Sat Yuga. Bullshit Brigante! You're a brainwashed Mashybot if you believe shit like that. There are lots of meditation techniques that provide the experience what MMY termed transcendence. Don't buy the bull that the TMO marketing cooked up. You're not supposed to eat bull anyway (though beef cattle aren't the same things as Nandi).Some meditation techniques including the one practice now are so powerful they can cut through any dullness whether it be created by food, pollution and other problems. And being that powerful they must be handled with care and supervision.
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Bhairitu wrote: Some meditation techniques including the one practice now are so powerful So, how many people are practicing these really powerful techniques? You and four or five other people? And, if so, why hasn't there been any peace in the world, if they are so powerful? they can cut through any dullness whether it be created by food, pollution and other problems. But can it stop the salmonella? Salmonella, the bacteria that has sickened more than 1,000 Americans who ate tainted produce since April, has also been found in Thai basil grown in Mexico. Read more: 'Salmonella Found in Basil Grown in Mexico' By Catherine Larkin Bloomberg News, July 11, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/6rh77z And being that powerful they must be handled with care and supervision. With a powerful technique like that, you would expect an 'ME' to take effect and change the world in a matter of a few hours! There are lots of meditation techniques that provide the experience what MMY termed transcendence. If so, then they are TM and therefore really powerful. So, what's your point?
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On Jul 11, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Bhairitu wrote: There are lots of meditation techniques that provide the experience what MMY termed transcendence. Don't buy the bull that the TMO marketing cooked up. I think that's impossible or next to impossible for most TM teachers, as they were essentially trained in repetition and spiritual marketing. Once you've accepted that indoctrination, it's really difficult to let go of--most esp. in the absence of any external reality testing (e.g. legitimate mediation acharyas).
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Vaj wrote: On Jul 11, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Bhairitu wrote: There are lots of meditation techniques that provide the experience what MMY termed transcendence. Don't buy the bull that the TMO marketing cooked up. I think that's impossible or next to impossible for most TM teachers, as they were essentially trained in repetition and spiritual marketing. Once you've accepted that indoctrination, it's really difficult to let go of--most esp. in the absence of any external reality testing (e.g. legitimate mediation acharyas). i.e. Marshybots. ;-)
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Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: Some meditation techniques including the one practice now are so powerful So, how many people are practicing these really powerful techniques? You and four or five other people? And, if so, why hasn't there been any peace in the world, if they are so powerful? Thousands. Meditation can't produce peace in the world that is unless everyone meditates but then looking at FFL that may not be true either. :D they can cut through any dullness whether it be created by food, pollution and other problems. But can it stop the salmonella? Salmonella, the bacteria that has sickened more than 1,000 Americans who ate tainted produce since April, has also been found in Thai basil grown in Mexico. Read more: 'Salmonella Found in Basil Grown in Mexico' By Catherine Larkin Bloomberg News, July 11, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/6rh77z It can cure ignorance. How many times have you had salmonella? How many times have you been ignorant? And being that powerful they must be handled with care and supervision. With a powerful technique like that, you would expect an 'ME' to take effect and change the world in a matter of a few hours! There is no 'ME.' There are lots of meditation techniques that provide the experience what MMY termed transcendence. If so, then they are TM and therefore really powerful. So, what's your point? Don't play with words Willy, they'll burn your hands.
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On Jul 11, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Vaj wrote: On Jul 11, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Bhairitu wrote: There are lots of meditation techniques that provide the experience what MMY termed transcendence. Don't buy the bull that the TMO marketing cooked up. I think that's impossible or next to impossible for most TM teachers, as they were essentially trained in repetition and spiritual marketing. Once you've accepted that indoctrination, it's really difficult to let go of--most esp. in the absence of any external reality testing (e.g. legitimate mediation acharyas). i.e. Marshybots. ;-) Add that one to Rick's list of abbreviations and TM-isms!
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There are lots of meditation techniques that provide the experience what MMY termed transcendence. If so, then they are TM and therefore really powerful. Don't play with words Willy, So, we are agreed that there are lots of meditation techniques that provide the experience that MMY termed transcendence. But there's only One Transcendental. You'd have to be checked by an experienced checker in order to asertain if you actually were transcending and practicing your technique correctly. That's the whole point about TM - you can be checked to see if you're practicing effortlessly and without strain. How are you going to check all those thousands of people practicing all those powerful techniques? It would be difficult for you to check just the people in your own town let alone the entire planet! Any technique that provides the opportunity for transcending is transcendental meditation. It's just that TM is the *ideal* technique. Or, you could take the word of an Indian fakir. You must be careful with these powerful techniques and get checked at least every eighteen months, according to Marshy. Look what happened to Gopi Krishna! they'll burn your hands. Get a grip, Barry, you're the guy playing with the fire sticks, the sacred ash and the punk!
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Vaj wrote: I think that's impossible or next to impossible for most TM teachers, as they were essentially trained in repetition and spiritual marketing. Well, d'oh! That's what the TMO was designed to do: Market TM to the masses and train more TM teachers. Once you've accepted that indoctrination, it's really difficult to let go of--most esp. in the absence of any external reality testing (e.g. legitimate mediation acharyas). Meditation acharyas? Like I'm going to quit my marketing job and fly over to India to ask a fakir if I'm doing a good job of meditating? I mean, I'd be willing to go listen to a lecture by Anthony Robbins, or listen to a lecture by Wayne Liguorman, if it was in my town or close by, but I draw the line at spending six months sitting on my ass at the feet of some snake charmer with deep pockets. I'd rather give my hard earned money to a counselor like Dr. Pete than waste any more money on meditation 'acharyas'. Oh, I get it - you mean 'meditation acharyas' like yourself, and the two Barrys! Here's an FYI for you, Vaj: I'm already living at the center of the universe right next door to a master meditation acharya, and I can see him every week-end if I wanted to. But I'm soloing auditing right now - I've got my very own portable zone of tranquility. I don't need any yogis or nath siddhas telling me what to do anymore.
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On Jul 9, 2008, at 3:58 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: He's neither a Maharishi, a Mahesh, or a Yogi Are you making this up or can you give a source? I disagree. He was definitely a Mahesh.
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On Jul 9, 2008, at 4:01 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: I must confess, however, that notwithstanding starting this thread and discussion, I still do eat the occasional red meat dish. But it's something I only do when the urge gets too much. And if I eat it MORE often than that, that's when I feel the negative effects in a big way the next day. Have you tried organic meats? Nothing like good, locally raised meats.
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On Jul 9, 2008, at 8:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote: ruthsimplicity wrote: Well, then it could have been pernicious anemia which is a vitamin B-12 deficiency. But B-12 shots will be necessary. Or it could be folic acid deficiency anemia, but this is resolved by taking folic acid supplements. But most likely, if it really was anemia, it was due to an iron deficiency. None of the anemias will require eating meat. Not that I think that meat is bad in moderation. We are omnivores after all. Some people are helped by the supplements but not all. Once again my story: when I had a physical with a naturopath in 1972 he asked if I was a vegetarian? I told him I had been experimenting with it for the last two weeks and he pointed out that I was already anemic and showed me how to tell. He recommended eating meat (not necessarily red meat) two or three times a week. Of course I didn't necessarily follow that advice (trying more vegetarianism) and when I didn't I paid for it. I've talked to people with similar stories. I've talked to people who tried supplements to solve this and they didn't work. There's much more at play often than just anemia. Some people's pH won't get balanced properly without some meat. We have a lot of nutritionists concerned about an acid forming diet but not noticing that there and be some people who will suffer from excess alkalinity too. One of the more recent books on the topic I've read is Gabriel Cousin's Conscious Eating but I've heard for the last 30 years about problems with excess alkalinity (often makes one too vata). Our bodies are crazy things. :) This would help explain the appearance of long-term Purushas who, last I popped in to visit them, in the late 80's, they looked like death warmed over: fragile, pale, anemic and depleted, like they had been vampirized. A psychic friend who accompanied us on the visit didn't want to even get near them!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Now you're sounding like Prabhupada of ISKCON. That's cool, I go to the Hare Krishna restaurant every time I'm in London. Excellent tucker, and they chant at the food when they're cooking it. You don't get service like that at MacDonalds! In Berkely, California the ISKCON folks offer the food for free as part of their proselytizing efforts. The chant is a vedic method to turn the food into prasada, or as an offering to Krishna. Thus, eating this food becomes wholesome, or divine. I go to the local temple here on Sunday nights when they have their feasts...and they're also free. At the risk of sounding like a mood-maker, I must say that I have consistent transcending experiences eating their food and, yes, I attribute that to the chanting they do over the food they prepare, the offering of it to Krishna, and the fact that monks prepare it. No mood-making there, I get this too. Not very time but enough to make me wonder. Perhaps the music they play helps? I think it's a clear sign they must have something profound to offer. I agree. They don't play music at the temple I frequent, at least not while the food is served and eaten. Another element: in addition to being vegetarian, there do not use garlic, onion, mushrooms, or eggs which I think applies to TMO kitchens these days too, no? But here's what I find interesting: this temple's kitchen doesn't buy organic. Nor do they consciously adhere to ayurvedic principles (I asked). Also, he said that meat eating is the main cause of wars throughout the world. Is that because most veggies are too weak to pick up guns? No. Meat-eating causes high pitta aggravation among the people, thus making them extremely susceptible to violence. Also, according to Prabhupada, meat-eating causes the bad karma of violence, which the animals experience during their death. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I acknowledge and fully subscribe to the maxim that the ways and means of karma are unfathomable. Nevertheless, I cannot help thinking of something after having seen one of Alex Baldwin's excellent PETA public service videos which I am sure most of you have seen. I'm talking about the ones in which he narrates hidden footage of operatives inside slaughterhouses, farms, labs, etc. One I saw a few days ago (sorry, I lost the link) contained footage and narrative that informs the viewer that most of the hamburger meat we eat in the U.S. comes from dairy cows who, no longer needed to produce milk because of age, go to slaughter. And, of course, horrible footage of cramped quarters in transporting said beast and how they slaughter them are enough to make you lose your meal. But even if the daily cows were treated wonderfully in life and death, I have to wonder this: milk is a complete and whole food that we are provided with in order to nourish us and give us life. Dairy cows are, in effect, like our mothers. We then, in turn, eat our mothers when they are no longer useful to us. Forget about karma; even on a common sense, intuitive level, doesn't that just not jibe? Isn't this intuitively yucky to even the most jaded meat-eating redneck? Millions upon millions of cows are treated as such every year. This has got to be one hell of a build-up of karma.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 9, 2008, at 4:01 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: I must confess, however, that notwithstanding starting this thread and discussion, I still do eat the occasional red meat dish. But it's something I only do when the urge gets too much. And if I eat it MORE often than that, that's when I feel the negative effects in a big way the next day. Have you tried organic meats? Nothing like good, locally raised meats. Yes, I have and, yes, it makes all the difference in the world in terms of flavor. This is the one area of shopping at Whole Foods where I don't mind the 300% price difference between them and other stores. But I won't pay $6.00 for a tiny tray of organic raspberries when I can get the same non-organic quantity for $1.00 at my local bargain produce stand. At savings like that I will eagerly ingest all kinds of chemical and second-hand, run-off fertilizers along with my fruits and vegetables.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 9, 2008, at 3:58 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: He's neither a Maharishi, a Mahesh, or a Yogi Are you making this up or can you give a source? I disagree. He was definitely a Mahesh. No, I am not making it up but I am, of course, going on memory here but it was at the end of March of 1974 in Belgium...it was the same audio tape where he says you can do hundreds of meditations as long as you do TM regularly.
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shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried organic meats? Nothing like good, locally raised meats. Yes, I have and, yes, it makes all the difference in the world in terms of flavor. This is the one area of shopping at Whole Foods where I don't mind the 300% price difference between them and other stores. But I won't pay $6.00 for a tiny tray of organic raspberries when I can get the same non-organic quantity for $1.00 at my local bargain produce stand. At savings like that I will eagerly ingest all kinds of chemical and second-hand, run-off fertilizers along with my fruits and vegetables. For the record I don't eat beef. I observe the Hindu tradition there at the request of my tantric guru even though he told me to do so a month and a half after I was initiated into tantra. He said that eating beef would weaken my meditation. However in the month and a half after the initiation I had eaten beef twice and no, there was no impact on my meditation whatsoever. I also observe it due to the problems with raising beef and mad cow disease which one of my ayurveda course instructor went into technical details about prions. Here we have farmer's markets with organic berries at reasonable prices. The blueberries have come into season and there is a farmer selling some big fat sweet ones at a reasonable price. Back in the 1970's I lived at a place outside of Seattle where we had a bunch of raspberry bushes and were always begging people to come pick them. They had no care whatsoever and were prolific. Needless to say they were organic. The berries which are highly sprayed are strawberries. I have a very prolific lemon tree that I am often begging neighbors to come pick or giving them away. This year I hope to get some decent apple off my little apple tree as I am spraying but with sulphur which is what many organic farmer use on apples. The local drug store actually sells small spray bottles of the compound.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I am not making it up but I am, of course, going on memory here but it was at the end of March of 1974 in Belgium...it was the same audio tape where he says you can do hundreds of meditations as long as you do TM regularly. Why cling to old instructions ? The Movement belongs to those that move. - Maharishi
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Have you tried organic meats? Nothing like good, locally raised meats. Yes, I have and, yes, it makes all the difference in the world in terms of flavor. This is the one area of shopping at Whole Foods where I don't mind the 300% price difference between them and other stores. But I won't pay $6.00 for a tiny tray of organic raspberries when I can get the same non-organic quantity for $1.00 at my local bargain produce stand. At savings like that I will eagerly ingest all kinds of chemical and second-hand, run-off fertilizers along with my fruits and vegetables. For the record I don't eat beef. I observe the Hindu tradition there at the request of my tantric guru even though he told me to do so a month and a half after I was initiated into tantra. He said that eating beef would weaken my meditation. However in the month and a half after the initiation I had eaten beef twice and no, there was no impact on my meditation whatsoever. What kind of meditation is that ?? With TM there are great changes for those who becomes vegetarians in terms of finer perception outside meditation.
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What kind of meditation is that ?? With TM there are great changes for those who becomes vegetarians in terms of finer perception outside meditation. *** After I had been doing TM for about 10 months, I started having negative experiences eating meat -- eating a slice of ham was like downing a shot of whiskey. I had heard MMY say that eating meat impairs alertness, and after continued dulling experiences after eating meat, I dumped it. People doing ineffective meditation practices (many of which actually create more dullness rather than increasing awareness) will not notice this effect of meat, which MMY ascribed to the complexity of meats, which overwhelm the person in the process of digestion.
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nablusoss1008 wrote: What kind of meditation is that ?? With TM there are great changes for those who becomes vegetarians in terms of finer perception outside meditation. Advanced meditation on a guru mantra is what kind of meditation it is. Very powerful. That's TM dogma about vegetarian diets. What you eat will have little impact on your meditation. I remember after learning TM and coming back for a meeting with the initiator which included a checking. I had just been to my favorite BBQ place on the Ave. near the U of W and had a BBQ prime rib french dip. I thought oh no, we're going to meditate! I then had a very deep and wonderful meditation during the checking.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nablusoss1008 wrote: What kind of meditation is that ?? With TM there are great changes for those who becomes vegetarians in terms of finer perception outside meditation. Advanced meditation on a guru mantra I beg your pardon; this guru mantra shows no diffenrence in what you eat ? is what kind of meditation it is. Very powerful. Obviously not... That's TM dogma about vegetarian diets. It's the reality for millions of people who switch to being vegetarians, and thousands of TM'ers on a daily basis who also go beefless. What you eat will have little impact on your meditation. For you perhaps. This industry, created for meateaters will do Anything to convince you that eating our friends are Good for you. I remember after learning TM and coming back for a meeting with the initiator which included a checking. I had just been to my favorite BBQ place on the Ave. near the U of W and had a BBQ prime rib french dip. I thought oh no, we're going to meditate! I then had a very deep and wonderful meditation during the checking. The contrast was greater, that's why you subjectively considered it deeper. Lack of understanding from your side basically. Stay away from eating meat, our friends, and your meditations will settle into hitherto unknown levels of refinement. Better yet; get a checking and continue your TM. This tantra stuff obviously has no real impact.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kind of meditation is that ?? With TM there are great changes for those who becomes vegetarians in terms of finer perception outside meditation. *** After I had been doing TM for about 10 months, I started having negative experiences eating meat -- eating a slice of ham was like downing a shot of whiskey. I had heard MMY say that eating meat impairs alertness, and after continued dulling experiences after eating meat, I dumped it. People doing ineffective meditation practices (many of which actually create more dullness rather than increasing awareness) will not notice this effect of meat, which MMY ascribed to the complexity of meats, which overwhelm the person in the process of digestion. Meat-eaters cannnot transcend and will be caught in the gross world. People doing Bhuddist meditation or japa will also not notice any difference since what they are doing is not subtle meditation leading to transcendence anyway. Jim will protest, that lover of burgers, but I preservere. :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: What kind of meditation is that ?? With TM there are great changes for those who becomes vegetarians in terms of finer perception outside meditation. *** After I had been doing TM for about 10 months, I started having negative experiences eating meat -- eating a slice of ham was like downing a shot of whiskey. I had heard MMY say that eating meat impairs alertness, and after continued dulling experiences after eating meat, I dumped it. People doing ineffective meditation practices (many of which actually create more dullness rather than increasing awareness) will not notice this effect of meat, which MMY ascribed to the complexity of meats, which overwhelm the person in the process of digestion. Meat-eaters cannnot transcend This is total and complete bullshit. When I was a regular meat-eater and engaged in all sorts of negative vices I had the clearest transcending experience of my life. Furthermore, this statement by Nablusoss is completely and totally contrary to the teachings of MMY who said that anyone that can think can do TM and anyone who can do TM, transcends. This Nablussos is an enemy of the TM Movement, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and all things decent. Fuck him. and will be caught in the gross world. People doing Bhuddist meditation or japa will also not notice any difference since what they are doing is not subtle meditation leading to transcendence anyway. Jim will protest, that lover of burgers, but I preservere. :-)
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nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nablusoss1008 wrote: What kind of meditation is that ?? With TM there are great changes for those who becomes vegetarians in terms of finer perception outside meditation. Advanced meditation on a guru mantra I beg your pardon; this guru mantra shows no diffenrence in what you eat ? is what kind of meditation it is. Very powerful. Obviously not... That's TM dogma about vegetarian diets. It's the reality for millions of people who switch to being vegetarians, and thousands of TM'ers on a daily basis who also go beefless. What you eat will have little impact on your meditation. For you perhaps. This industry, created for meateaters will do Anything to convince you that eating our friends are Good for you. I remember after learning TM and coming back for a meeting with the initiator which included a checking. I had just been to my favorite BBQ place on the Ave. near the U of W and had a BBQ prime rib french dip. I thought oh no, we're going to meditate! I then had a very deep and wonderful meditation during the checking. The contrast was greater, that's why you subjectively considered it deeper. Lack of understanding from your side basically. Stay away from eating meat, our friends, and your meditations will settle into hitherto unknown levels of refinement. Better yet; get a checking and continue your TM. This tantra stuff obviously has no real impact. Oh Nabby, you never fail to show us what an fanatical TB'er you are. What if you found out that MMY liked chicken?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 9, 2008, at 8:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote: ruthsimplicity wrote: Well, then it could have been pernicious anemia which is a vitamin B-12 deficiency. But B-12 shots will be necessary. Or it could be folic acid deficiency anemia, but this is resolved by taking folic acid supplements. But most likely, if it really was anemia, it was due to an iron deficiency. None of the anemias will require eating meat. Not that I think that meat is bad in moderation. We are omnivores after all. Some people are helped by the supplements but not all. Once again my story: when I had a physical with a naturopath in 1972 he asked if I was a vegetarian? I told him I had been experimenting with it for the last two weeks and he pointed out that I was already anemic and showed me how to tell. He recommended eating meat (not necessarily red meat) two or three times a week. Of course I didn't necessarily follow that advice (trying more vegetarianism) and when I didn't I paid for it. I've talked to people with similar stories. I've talked to people who tried supplements to solve this and they didn't work. There's much more at play often than just anemia. Some people's pH won't get balanced properly without some meat. We have a lot of nutritionists concerned about an acid forming diet but not noticing that there and be some people who will suffer from excess alkalinity too. One of the more recent books on the topic I've read is Gabriel Cousin's Conscious Eating but I've heard for the last 30 years about problems with excess alkalinity (often makes one too vata). Our bodies are crazy things. :) This would help explain the appearance of long-term Purushas who, last I popped in to visit them, in the late 80's, they looked like death warmed over: fragile, pale, anemic and depleted, like they had been vampirized. A psychic friend who accompanied us on the visit didn't want to even get near them! I only responded to the anemia issue, which is most likely due to iron deficiency. But people can screw themselves up with their diets in any number of ways. Especially if other things are going on. Like not enough exercise. Undiagnosed health problems. Too much time meditating.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Nabby, you never fail to show us what an fanatical TB'er you are. What if you found out that MMY liked chicken? I think it really was tofurky.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: What kind of meditation is that ?? With TM there are great changes for those who becomes vegetarians in terms of finer perception outside meditation. *** After I had been doing TM for about 10 months, I started having negative experiences eating meat -- eating a slice of ham was like downing a shot of whiskey. I had heard MMY say that eating meat impairs alertness, and after continued dulling experiences after eating meat, I dumped it. People doing ineffective meditation practices (many of which actually create more dullness rather than increasing awareness) will not notice this effect of meat, which MMY ascribed to the complexity of meats, which overwhelm the person in the process of digestion. Meat-eaters cannnot transcend and will be caught in the gross world. People doing Bhuddist meditation or japa will also not notice any difference since what they are doing is not subtle meditation leading to transcendence anyway. Jim will protest, that lover of burgers, but I preservere. :-) *** For that 10 months of TM before I quit eating meat, I certainly did feel that I was transcending -- it was only when my awareness had grown to a certain level that I could no longer tolerate the dulling effect of eating meat (I had quit alcohol and cigarettes, effortlessly, simply because they were no longer fun to do, in the same week about two months earlier). There's no requirement to change any habits to do TM because regular practitioners will make any changes that need to be made in order to evolve, without any effort or feeling that one is shortchanging one's desires in order to get on the evolution train. Of course, if one is doing a useless meditation technique, or the couch-potato technique, diet does not cause discomfort because dullness doesn't mind things that pile on more dullness.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I acknowledge and fully subscribe to the maxim that the ways and means of karma are unfathomable. Nevertheless, I cannot help thinking of something after having seen one of Alex Baldwin's excellent PETA public service videos which I am sure most of you have seen. I'm talking about the ones in which he narrates hidden footage of operatives inside slaughterhouses, farms, labs, etc. One I saw a few days ago (sorry, I lost the link) contained footage and narrative that informs the viewer that most of the hamburger meat we eat in the U.S. comes from dairy cows who, no longer needed to produce milk because of age, go to slaughter. And, of course, horrible footage of cramped quarters in transporting said beast and how they slaughter them are enough to make you lose your meal. But even if the daily cows were treated wonderfully in life and death, I have to wonder this: milk is a complete and whole food that we are provided with in order to nourish us and give us life. Dairy cows are, in effect, like our mothers. We then, in turn, eat our mothers when they are no longer useful to us. Forget about karma; even on a common sense, intuitive level, doesn't that just not jibe? Isn't this intuitively yucky to even the most jaded meat-eating redneck? Millions upon millions of cows are treated as such every year. This has got to be one hell of a build-up of karma. It's not a good idea to be a lacto-vegetarian on animal welfare issues. Most male cows born on dairy farms are packed in veal crates to live a miserable life eating an unnatural milk based diet to keep their muscles from getting strong so they're nice and tasty to eat. Mother isn't treated so good either, fed an unhealthy diet to keep milking cows strong they only last three ot four years compared to the twenty five they would normally get. Plus all the growth hormones that don't do them any favours. If you can't handle being a vegan the best thing to do is drink organic milk from small farms and hope that universal karma doesn't exist.
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Now you're sounding like Prabhupada of ISKCON. Also, he said that meat eating is the main cause of wars throughout the world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I acknowledge and fully subscribe to the maxim that the ways and means of karma are unfathomable. Nevertheless, I cannot help thinking of something after having seen one of Alex Baldwin's excellent PETA public service videos which I am sure most of you have seen. I'm talking about the ones in which he narrates hidden footage of operatives inside slaughterhouses, farms, labs, etc. One I saw a few days ago (sorry, I lost the link) contained footage and narrative that informs the viewer that most of the hamburger meat we eat in the U.S. comes from dairy cows who, no longer needed to produce milk because of age, go to slaughter. And, of course, horrible footage of cramped quarters in transporting said beast and how they slaughter them are enough to make you lose your meal. But even if the daily cows were treated wonderfully in life and death, I have to wonder this: milk is a complete and whole food that we are provided with in order to nourish us and give us life. Dairy cows are, in effect, like our mothers. We then, in turn, eat our mothers when they are no longer useful to us. Forget about karma; even on a common sense, intuitive level, doesn't that just not jibe? Isn't this intuitively yucky to even the most jaded meat-eating redneck? Millions upon millions of cows are treated as such every year. This has got to be one hell of a build-up of karma.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now you're sounding like Prabhupada of ISKCON. Also, he said that meat eating is the main cause of wars throughout the world. I have absolutely no rational reason for agreeing with him, but he very well may have had a point. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I acknowledge and fully subscribe to the maxim that the ways and means of karma are unfathomable. Nevertheless, I cannot help thinking of something after having seen one of Alex Baldwin's excellent PETA public service videos which I am sure most of you have seen. I'm talking about the ones in which he narrates hidden footage of operatives inside slaughterhouses, farms, labs, etc. One I saw a few days ago (sorry, I lost the link) contained footage and narrative that informs the viewer that most of the hamburger meat we eat in the U.S. comes from dairy cows who, no longer needed to produce milk because of age, go to slaughter. And, of course, horrible footage of cramped quarters in transporting said beast and how they slaughter them are enough to make you lose your meal. But even if the daily cows were treated wonderfully in life and death, I have to wonder this: milk is a complete and whole food that we are provided with in order to nourish us and give us life. Dairy cows are, in effect, like our mothers. We then, in turn, eat our mothers when they are no longer useful to us. Forget about karma; even on a common sense, intuitive level, doesn't that just not jibe? Isn't this intuitively yucky to even the most jaded meat-eating redneck? Millions upon millions of cows are treated as such every year. This has got to be one hell of a build-up of karma.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now you're sounding like Prabhupada of ISKCON. That's cool, I go to the Hare Krishna restaurant every time I'm in London. Excellent tucker, and they chant at the food when they're cooking it. You don't get service like that at MacDonalds! Also, he said that meat eating is the main cause of wars throughout the world. Is that because most veggies are too weak to pick up guns? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I acknowledge and fully subscribe to the maxim that the ways and means of karma are unfathomable. Nevertheless, I cannot help thinking of something after having seen one of Alex Baldwin's excellent PETA public service videos which I am sure most of you have seen. I'm talking about the ones in which he narrates hidden footage of operatives inside slaughterhouses, farms, labs, etc. One I saw a few days ago (sorry, I lost the link) contained footage and narrative that informs the viewer that most of the hamburger meat we eat in the U.S. comes from dairy cows who, no longer needed to produce milk because of age, go to slaughter. And, of course, horrible footage of cramped quarters in transporting said beast and how they slaughter them are enough to make you lose your meal. But even if the daily cows were treated wonderfully in life and death, I have to wonder this: milk is a complete and whole food that we are provided with in order to nourish us and give us life. Dairy cows are, in effect, like our mothers. We then, in turn, eat our mothers when they are no longer useful to us. Forget about karma; even on a common sense, intuitive level, doesn't that just not jibe? Isn't this intuitively yucky to even the most jaded meat-eating redneck? Millions upon millions of cows are treated as such every year. This has got to be one hell of a build-up of karma.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Now you're sounding like Prabhupada of ISKCON. That's cool, I go to the Hare Krishna restaurant every time I'm in London. Excellent tucker, and they chant at the food when they're cooking it. You don't get service like that at MacDonalds! In Berkely, California the ISKCON folks offer the food for free as part of their proselytizing efforts. The chant is a vedic method to turn the food into prasada, or as an offering to Krishna. Thus, eating this food becomes wholesome, or divine. Also, he said that meat eating is the main cause of wars throughout the world. Is that because most veggies are too weak to pick up guns? No. Meat-eating causes high pitta aggravation among the people, thus making them extremely susceptible to violence. Also, according to Prabhupada, meat-eating causes the bad karma of violence, which the animals experience during their death. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I acknowledge and fully subscribe to the maxim that the ways and means of karma are unfathomable. Nevertheless, I cannot help thinking of something after having seen one of Alex Baldwin's excellent PETA public service videos which I am sure most of you have seen. I'm talking about the ones in which he narrates hidden footage of operatives inside slaughterhouses, farms, labs, etc. One I saw a few days ago (sorry, I lost the link) contained footage and narrative that informs the viewer that most of the hamburger meat we eat in the U.S. comes from dairy cows who, no longer needed to produce milk because of age, go to slaughter. And, of course, horrible footage of cramped quarters in transporting said beast and how they slaughter them are enough to make you lose your meal. But even if the daily cows were treated wonderfully in life and death, I have to wonder this: milk is a complete and whole food that we are provided with in order to nourish us and give us life. Dairy cows are, in effect, like our mothers. We then, in turn, eat our mothers when they are no longer useful to us. Forget about karma; even on a common sense, intuitive level, doesn't that just not jibe? Isn't this intuitively yucky to even the most jaded meat-eating redneck? Millions upon millions of cows are treated as such every year. This has got to be one hell of a build-up of karma.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Now you're sounding like Prabhupada of ISKCON. That's cool, I go to the Hare Krishna restaurant every time I'm in London. Excellent tucker, and they chant at the food when they're cooking it. You don't get service like that at MacDonalds! In Berkely, California the ISKCON folks offer the food for free as part of their proselytizing efforts. The chant is a vedic method to turn the food into prasada, or as an offering to Krishna. Thus, eating this food becomes wholesome, or divine. They only offer the free food in London on Sundays, I'm happy to pay for it and skip the lecture. Also, he said that meat eating is the main cause of wars throughout the world. Is that because most veggies are too weak to pick up guns? No. Meat-eating causes high pitta aggravation among the people, thus making them extremely susceptible to violence. Also, according to Prabhupada, meat-eating causes the bad karma of violence, which the animals experience during their death. I was joking here dude, I'm a long term veggie + weightlifter and mad-for-it mountain biker. Didn't know about the pitta thing though, interesting. I appreciate any efforts of PB like these and the story Rick tells because they encourage people to think about where things they eat come from. The food industry is only too happy for people not to ask questions in case they lose profits in the inevitable outcry.
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John wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. Meat-eating causes high pitta aggravation among the people, thus making them extremely susceptible to violence. Also, according to Prabhupada, meat-eating causes the bad karma of violence, which the animals experience during their death. That might only be true if pitta is high already. In some cases it could be balancing. The ayurvedic doctor I had in the 1990's who was an MD said he found even his pitta dominant people would start to become anemic if they stayed off animal protein too long. Ayurveda has to be adjusted for westerners who don't live in a tropical environment from whence it came. And then there are those who DO think the big push for vegan diets is to create a populace that is too weak to fight oppression. Something to think about.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now you're sounding like Prabhupada of ISKCON. Also, he said that meat eating is the main cause of wars throughout the world. Prabhubad is a good name. - Maharishi
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:30 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] The karma of eating our mothers Millions upon millions of cows are treated as such every year. This has got to be one hell of a build-up of karma. I agree with your sentiments, Shemp. Might be worth mentioning that according to MMY, in a Rishikesh lecture that I used to have on tape, all cows are reborn as human beings in the teaching class, and that if we kill cows, thus disallowing them from reaching their full development as cows, they are reborn as underdeveloped human teachers, who can only teach sub-standard knowledge, thus keeping the populace in ignorance. Only a theory to me now, and probably standard Hindu fare MMY picked up somewhere, but interesting to consider. Finally Rick, a rumour to ponder ! Thanks.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Now you're sounding like Prabhupada of ISKCON. Also, he said that meat eating is the main cause of wars throughout the world. Prabhubad is a good name. - Maharishi Prabhupad sorry...
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 1:57 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The karma of eating our mothers --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] I agree with your sentiments, Shemp. Might be worth mentioning that according to MMY, in a Rishikesh lecture that I used to have on tape, all cows are reborn as human beings in the teaching class, and that if we kill cows, thus disallowing them from reaching their full development as cows, they are reborn as underdeveloped human teachers, who can only teach sub-standard knowledge, thus keeping the populace in ignorance. Only a theory to me now, and probably standard Hindu fare MMY picked up somewhere, but interesting to consider. Finally Rick, a rumour to ponder ! Thanks. Well, you know what they say about an infinite number of monkeys pounding on an infinite number of typewriters.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: No. Meat-eating causes high pitta aggravation among the people, thus making them extremely susceptible to violence. Also, according to Prabhupada, meat-eating causes the bad karma of violence, which the animals experience during their death. That might only be true if pitta is high already. In some cases it could be balancing. The ayurvedic doctor I had in the 1990's who was an MD said he found even his pitta dominant people would start to become anemic if they stayed off animal protein too long. Ayurveda has to be adjusted for westerners who don't live in a tropical environment from whence it came. And then there are those who DO think the big push for vegan diets is to create a populace that is too weak to fight oppression. Something to think about. It's like asking the question: which came first, the chicken or the egg?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: No. Meat-eating causes high pitta aggravation among the people, thus making them extremely susceptible to violence. Also, according to Prabhupada, meat-eating causes the bad karma of violence, which the animals experience during their death. That might only be true if pitta is high already. In some cases it could be balancing. The ayurvedic doctor I had in the 1990's who was an MD said he found even his pitta dominant people would start to become anemic if they stayed off animal protein too long. Ayurveda has to be adjusted for westerners who don't live in a tropical environment from whence it came. And then there are those who DO think the big push for vegan diets is to create a populace that is too weak to fight oppression. Something to think about. Or, they became anemic because they were not getting enough iron in their diet. They didn't eat their spinach and beans and drink their prune juice.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Millions upon millions of cows are treated as such every year. This has got to be one hell of a build-up of karma. I agree with your sentiments, Shemp. Might be worth mentioning that according to MMY, in a Rishikesh lecture that I used to have on tape, all cows are reborn as human beings in the teaching class, and that if we kill cows, thus disallowing them from reaching their full development as cows, they are reborn as underdeveloped human teachers, who can only teach sub-standard knowledge, thus keeping the populace in ignorance. Only a theory to me now, and probably standard Hindu fare MMY picked up somewhere, but interesting to consider. Given the number of cattle in the world (about 1.3 million according to Wikipedia) and their short lifespans as compared to humans, you would think we would have more teachers. ;)
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ruthsimplicity wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: No. Meat-eating causes high pitta aggravation among the people, thus making them extremely susceptible to violence. Also, according to Prabhupada, meat-eating causes the bad karma of violence, which the animals experience during their death. That might only be true if pitta is high already. In some cases it could be balancing. The ayurvedic doctor I had in the 1990's who was an MD said he found even his pitta dominant people would start to become anemic if they stayed off animal protein too long. Ayurveda has to be adjusted for westerners who don't live in a tropical environment from whence it came. And then there are those who DO think the big push for vegan diets is to create a populace that is too weak to fight oppression. Something to think about. Or, they became anemic because they were not getting enough iron in their diet. They didn't eat their spinach and beans and drink their prune juice. I don't think he was speaking of iron anemia. I've been into biochemical individuality for years even before I studied ayurveda. It would be nice if we could all be vegetarians but many of don't have the genetics for it as our ancestors were meat eaters. You can call it the curse of our ancestors. :) I've just seen too many cases of wannabe vegetarians who picked themselves off the floor by adding animal protein back into the diet.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Now you're sounding like Prabhupada of ISKCON. That's cool, I go to the Hare Krishna restaurant every time I'm in London. Excellent tucker, and they chant at the food when they're cooking it. You don't get service like that at MacDonalds! In Berkely, California the ISKCON folks offer the food for free as part of their proselytizing efforts. The chant is a vedic method to turn the food into prasada, or as an offering to Krishna. Thus, eating this food becomes wholesome, or divine. I go to the local temple here on Sunday nights when they have their feasts...and they're also free. At the risk of sounding like a mood-maker, I must say that I have consistent transcending experiences eating their food and, yes, I attribute that to the chanting they do over the food they prepare, the offering of it to Krishna, and the fact that monks prepare it. Also, he said that meat eating is the main cause of wars throughout the world. Is that because most veggies are too weak to pick up guns? No. Meat-eating causes high pitta aggravation among the people, thus making them extremely susceptible to violence. Also, according to Prabhupada, meat-eating causes the bad karma of violence, which the animals experience during their death. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I acknowledge and fully subscribe to the maxim that the ways and means of karma are unfathomable. Nevertheless, I cannot help thinking of something after having seen one of Alex Baldwin's excellent PETA public service videos which I am sure most of you have seen. I'm talking about the ones in which he narrates hidden footage of operatives inside slaughterhouses, farms, labs, etc. One I saw a few days ago (sorry, I lost the link) contained footage and narrative that informs the viewer that most of the hamburger meat we eat in the U.S. comes from dairy cows who, no longer needed to produce milk because of age, go to slaughter. And, of course, horrible footage of cramped quarters in transporting said beast and how they slaughter them are enough to make you lose your meal. But even if the daily cows were treated wonderfully in life and death, I have to wonder this: milk is a complete and whole food that we are provided with in order to nourish us and give us life. Dairy cows are, in effect, like our mothers. We then, in turn, eat our mothers when they are no longer useful to us. Forget about karma; even on a common sense, intuitive level, doesn't that just not jibe? Isn't this intuitively yucky to even the most jaded meat-eating redneck? Millions upon millions of cows are treated as such every year. This has got to be one hell of a build-up of karma.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Now you're sounding like Prabhupada of ISKCON. Also, he said that meat eating is the main cause of wars throughout the world. Prabhubad is a good name. - Maharishi Prabhupad sorry... ...which is a tribute to Maharishi's positivity and Prabhupada's negativity. Why? Because Prabhupada said about Maharishi: He's neither a Maharishi, a Mahesh, or a Yogi. When told that Maharishi giggled and said: Yeah, Krishnamurti said the same thing!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:30 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] The karma of eating our mothers Millions upon millions of cows are treated as such every year. This has got to be one hell of a build-up of karma. I agree with your sentiments, Shemp. Might be worth mentioning that according to MMY, in a Rishikesh lecture that I used to have on tape, all cows are reborn as human beings in the teaching class, and that if we kill cows, thus disallowing them from reaching their full development as cows, they are reborn as underdeveloped human teachers, who can only teach sub-standard knowledge, thus keeping the populace in ignorance. Only a theory to me now, and probably standard Hindu fare MMY picked up somewhere, but interesting to consider. Along those same lines, I heard an audio tape of Sattyanand from the early '70s who replied, when asked, why doesn't America have great leaders: Because you eat them. I must confess, however, that notwithstanding starting this thread and discussion, I still do eat the occasional red meat dish. But it's something I only do when the urge gets too much. And if I eat it MORE often than that, that's when I feel the negative effects in a big way the next day.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Millions upon millions of cows are treated as such every year. This has got to be one hell of a build-up of karma. I agree with your sentiments, Shemp. Might be worth mentioning that according to MMY, in a Rishikesh lecture that I used to have on tape, all cows are reborn as human beings in the teaching class, and that if we kill cows, thus disallowing them from reaching their full development as cows, they are reborn as underdeveloped human teachers, who can only teach sub-standard knowledge, thus keeping the populace in ignorance. Only a theory to me now, and probably standard Hindu fare MMY picked up somewhere, but interesting to consider. Given the number of cattle in the world (about 1.3 million according to Wikipedia) and their short lifespans as compared to humans, you would think we would have more teachers. ;) I wonder what their position is on vouchers.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think he was speaking of iron anemia. I've been into biochemical individuality for years even before I studied ayurveda. It would be nice if we could all be vegetarians but many of don't have the genetics for it as our ancestors were meat eaters. You can call it the curse of our ancestors. :) I've just seen too many cases of wannabe vegetarians who picked themselves off the floor by adding animal protein back into the diet. I am one of those people. I have tried to go without meat in my diet and am rewarded with vitamin deficiencies in the guise of low energy, skin sores, and intestinal distress. I stay away from red meat but find fish and foul the best alternative. The last time I made an attempt to change my diet I did it under the supervision of a Maharishi Ayervedic doctor. It was a disaster. Tried it for for two months and couldn't wait to go back to my regular diet. Shemp - The morality of eating mother cows sounds a lot like the basis for Kosher laws. Lately I have been thinking about how bad would it really be to eat a young kid boiled in its mother's milk? It may be just the twist that a real gourmet needs for good tasting veal. ;-) s.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I don't think he was speaking of iron anemia. I've been into biochemical individuality for years even before I studied ayurveda. It would be nice if we could all be vegetarians but many of don't have the genetics for it as our ancestors were meat eaters. You can call it the curse of our ancestors. :) I've just seen too many cases of wannabe vegetarians who picked themselves off the floor by adding animal protein back into the diet. I am one of those people. I have tried to go without meat in my diet and am rewarded with vitamin deficiencies in the guise of low energy, skin sores, and intestinal distress. I stay away from red meat but find fish and foul the best alternative. The last time I made an attempt to change my diet I did it under the supervision of a Maharishi Ayervedic doctor. It was a disaster. Tried it for for two months and couldn't wait to go back to my regular diet. Shemp - The morality of eating mother cows sounds a lot like the basis for Kosher laws. Lately I have been thinking about how bad would it really be to eat a young kid boiled in its mother's milk? It may be just the twist that a real gourmet needs for good tasting veal. ;-) s. There was a very interesting movie that came out about 20 years ago, if memory serves me right, which I think was directed by Bob Balaban called The Parents about a family of cannibals (it's a comedy). The lasting image in my mind is of a roast-beef-like sandwich on the kitchen table sitting beside a big, cold, glass of milk. Of course, in this case the meat was human meat but, nevertheless, the coupling of milk with meat is, intuitively, disgusting.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ruthsimplicity wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: John wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: No. Meat-eating causes high pitta aggravation among the people, thus making them extremely susceptible to violence. Also, according to Prabhupada, meat-eating causes the bad karma of violence, which the animals experience during their death. That might only be true if pitta is high already. In some cases it could be balancing. The ayurvedic doctor I had in the 1990's who was an MD said he found even his pitta dominant people would start to become anemic if they stayed off animal protein too long. Ayurveda has to be adjusted for westerners who don't live in a tropical environment from whence it came. And then there are those who DO think the big push for vegan diets is to create a populace that is too weak to fight oppression. Something to think about. Or, they became anemic because they were not getting enough iron in their diet. They didn't eat their spinach and beans and drink their prune juice. I don't think he was speaking of iron anemia. I've been into biochemical individuality for years even before I studied ayurveda. It would be nice if we could all be vegetarians but many of don't have the genetics for it as our ancestors were meat eaters. You can call it the curse of our ancestors. :) I've just seen too many cases of wannabe vegetarians who picked themselves off the floor by adding animal protein back into the diet. Well, then it could have been pernicious anemia which is a vitamin B-12 deficiency. But B-12 shots will be necessary. Or it could be folic acid deficiency anemia, but this is resolved by taking folic acid supplements. But most likely, if it really was anemia, it was due to an iron deficiency. None of the anemias will require eating meat. Not that I think that meat is bad in moderation. We are omnivores after all.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...which is a tribute to Maharishi's positivity and Prabhupada's negativity. Why? Because Prabhupada said about Maharishi: He's neither a Maharishi, a Mahesh, or a Yogi. When told that Maharishi giggled and said: Yeah, Krishnamurti said the same thing! How is that positive? Is it the giggle?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think he was speaking of iron anemia. I've been into biochemical individuality for years even before I studied ayurveda. It would be nice if we could all be vegetarians but many of don't have the genetics for it as our ancestors were meat eaters. You can call it the curse of our ancestors. :) I've just seen too many cases of wannabe vegetarians who picked themselves off the floor by adding animal protein back into the diet. If it was anemia, it most likely was due to iron deficiency. Indians suffer from this more than people who live in the US. It is partly due to how they get their iron. Eat your iron rich foods with some orange juice or other vitamin C product, it will help. Or could have been pernicious anemia which is a vitamin B-12 deficiency. But B-12 shots would be necessary. Or it could be folic acid deficiency anemia, but this is resolved by taking folic acid supplements. But most likely, if it really was anemia, it was due to an iron deficiency. None of the anemias will require eating meat. Not that I think that meat is bad in moderation. We are omnivores after all.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: ...which is a tribute to Maharishi's positivity and Prabhupada's negativity. Why? Because Prabhupada said about Maharishi: He's neither a Maharishi, a Mahesh, or a Yogi. When told that Maharishi giggled and said: Yeah, Krishnamurti said the same thing! How is that positive? Is it the giggle? Yes. It was the giggle and the slight jiggling of the body while giggling.
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ruthsimplicity wrote: Well, then it could have been pernicious anemia which is a vitamin B-12 deficiency. But B-12 shots will be necessary. Or it could be folic acid deficiency anemia, but this is resolved by taking folic acid supplements. But most likely, if it really was anemia, it was due to an iron deficiency. None of the anemias will require eating meat. Not that I think that meat is bad in moderation. We are omnivores after all. Some people are helped by the supplements but not all. Once again my story: when I had a physical with a naturopath in 1972 he asked if I was a vegetarian? I told him I had been experimenting with it for the last two weeks and he pointed out that I was already anemic and showed me how to tell. He recommended eating meat (not necessarily red meat) two or three times a week. Of course I didn't necessarily follow that advice (trying more vegetarianism) and when I didn't I paid for it. I've talked to people with similar stories. I've talked to people who tried supplements to solve this and they didn't work. There's much more at play often than just anemia. Some people's pH won't get balanced properly without some meat. We have a lot of nutritionists concerned about an acid forming diet but not noticing that there and be some people who will suffer from excess alkalinity too. One of the more recent books on the topic I've read is Gabriel Cousin's Conscious Eating but I've heard for the last 30 years about problems with excess alkalinity (often makes one too vata). Our bodies are crazy things. :)
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Shemp: Forget about karma; even on a common sense, intuitive level, doesn't that just not jibe? Isn't this intuitively yucky to even the most jaded meat-eating redneck? Millions upon millions of cows are treated as such every year. This has got to be one hell of a build-up of karma. John: Also, he said that meat eating is the main cause of wars throughout the world. No. Meat-eating causes high pitta aggravation among the people, thus making them extremely susceptible to violence. Also, according to Prabhupada, meat-eating causes the bad karma of violence, which the animals experience during their death. And meat eating is one of the major causes of human-activity contribution to global warming. Deforestation and cow farts. Some say (maybe shemp did, but I have read it independenly) that becoming a vegan, on average reduces carbon as much as giving up your car. And meat production significantly raises the price of grains and beans. It takes ten times the to produce the feedstock for livestock, compared to the equivalent protein from straight from grains and beans. Lots of people, particularly with today's high and rising food prices, are malnutritioned due to affluent countries gorging on meat. So being / becoming a vega is a threefer -- end war, global warming, (and) food) poverty. When will a leader of the affluent countries dare to step on the third rail and champion the demise of meat eating. he/she won't win Iowa.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ruthsimplicity wrote: Well, then it could have been pernicious anemia which is a vitamin B-12 deficiency. But B-12 shots will be necessary. Or sublingual B12. Which btw, shows promise in reducing alzhimers's plaque. And vegetarians vegan often bulk out on high carbs. Which leads to all sorts of bad stuff. I think personal antecdotes are fine, but hardly establishes if meat is necessary or not. A study, controlling for B-12, carbs, etc across many veggies needs to be done to establish it.
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new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ruthsimplicity wrote: Well, then it could have been pernicious anemia which is a vitamin B-12 deficiency. But B-12 shots will be necessary. Or sublingual B12. Which btw, shows promise in reducing alzhimers's plaque. I don't think that just taking B12 is going to balance someone's doshas. And vegetarians vegan often bulk out on high carbs. Which leads to all sorts of bad stuff. I think personal antecdotes are fine, but hardly establishes if meat is necessary or not. A study, controlling for B-12, carbs, etc across many veggies needs to be done to establish it. Some of those exist too. Some of my information comes from ayurvedic workshops as well as my interest in metabolic typing which I've also done and know many others. Both fields have research on the subject. And you're right many vegetarians bulk out on carbs, in fact most don't know how to eat right. Some think they can eat Indian and get sick that way. There are light vegetarian regimes and heavy vegetarian regimes and of course in-between. Those have carb-protein-fat ratios that are different. The reason I brought up Cousens who is a pro-vegan practitioner is his questionnaires especially for the oxidation types are geared for people who have been trying to eat right over the years. Some of the oxidation research was done by Dr. George Watson at USC and he published a couple books on it. We're just all different and I don't have much regard for philosophical vegetarianism which can not only have a devastating effect on the mind as well as the body just as much as someone eat burgers and fries every day can have problems.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: ruthsimplicity wrote: Well, then it could have been pernicious anemia which is a vitamin B-12 deficiency. But B-12 shots will be necessary. Or sublingual B12. Which btw, shows promise in reducing alzhimers's plaque. I love that stuff. I eat meat but this gives me a charge of energy. And vegetarians vegan often bulk out on high carbs. Which leads to all sorts of bad stuff. I think personal antecdotes are fine, but hardly establishes if meat is necessary or not. A study, controlling for B-12, carbs, etc across many veggies needs to be done to establish it.
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Or sublingual B12. I love that stuff. I eat meat but this gives me a charge of energy. It works best if you boil the hell out of it.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Now you're sounding like Prabhupada of ISKCON. That's cool, I go to the Hare Krishna restaurant every time I'm in London. Excellent tucker, and they chant at the food when they're cooking it. You don't get service like that at MacDonalds! In Berkely, California the ISKCON folks offer the food for free as part of their proselytizing efforts. The chant is a vedic method to turn the food into prasada, or as an offering to Krishna. Thus, eating this food becomes wholesome, or divine. I go to the local temple here on Sunday nights when they have their feasts...and they're also free. At the risk of sounding like a mood-maker, I must say that I have consistent transcending experiences eating their food and, yes, I attribute that to the chanting they do over the food they prepare, the offering of it to Krishna, and the fact that monks prepare it. No mood-making there, I get this too. Not very time but enough to make me wonder. Perhaps the music they play helps? I think it's a clear sign they must have something profound to offer. Also, he said that meat eating is the main cause of wars throughout the world. Is that because most veggies are too weak to pick up guns? No. Meat-eating causes high pitta aggravation among the people, thus making them extremely susceptible to violence. Also, according to Prabhupada, meat-eating causes the bad karma of violence, which the animals experience during their death. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I acknowledge and fully subscribe to the maxim that the ways and means of karma are unfathomable. Nevertheless, I cannot help thinking of something after having seen one of Alex Baldwin's excellent PETA public service videos which I am sure most of you have seen. I'm talking about the ones in which he narrates hidden footage of operatives inside slaughterhouses, farms, labs, etc. One I saw a few days ago (sorry, I lost the link) contained footage and narrative that informs the viewer that most of the hamburger meat we eat in the U.S. comes from dairy cows who, no longer needed to produce milk because of age, go to slaughter. And, of course, horrible footage of cramped quarters in transporting said beast and how they slaughter them are enough to make you lose your meal. But even if the daily cows were treated wonderfully in life and death, I have to wonder this: milk is a complete and whole food that we are provided with in order to nourish us and give us life. Dairy cows are, in effect, like our mothers. We then, in turn, eat our mothers when they are no longer useful to us. Forget about karma; even on a common sense, intuitive level, doesn't that just not jibe? Isn't this intuitively yucky to even the most jaded meat-eating redneck? Millions upon millions of cows are treated as such every year. This has got to be one hell of a build-up of karma.
