[FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plenty of Coke around here, probably of both kinds. I drank a huge one last weekend in a Mexican restaurant in Ottumwa. There are lots of Mexicans there who work in the hog slaughterhouse, so the restaurant is very good and authentic. Oh, now you've done it! I'm salivating like one of Pavlov's dogs. If good Mexican food exists anywhere in France, I have yet to find it. It's difficult to even roll your own, because the ingredients one can find around here are so crappy. Every time someone visits from Santa Fe and asks what they can bring me, I ask for a suitcase full of salsas and spices.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Plenty of Coke around here, probably of both kinds. I drank a huge one last weekend in a Mexican restaurant in Ottumwa. There are lots of Mexicans there who work in the hog slaughterhouse, so the restaurant is very good and authentic. Oh, now you've done it! I'm salivating like one of Pavlov's dogs. If good Mexican food exists anywhere in France, I have yet to find it. It's difficult to even roll your own, because the ingredients one can find around here are so crappy. Every time someone visits from Santa Fe and asks what they can bring me, I ask for a suitcase full of salsas and spices. H... Define authentic and what spices and so on do you lack?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Plenty of Coke around here, probably of both kinds. I drank a huge one last weekend in a Mexican restaurant in Ottumwa. There are lots of Mexicans there who work in the hog slaughterhouse, so the restaurant is very good and authentic. Oh, now you've done it! I'm salivating like one of Pavlov's dogs. If good Mexican food exists anywhere in France, I have yet to find it. It's difficult to even roll your own, because the ingredients one can find around here are so crappy. Every time someone visits from Santa Fe and asks what they can bring me, I ask for a suitcase full of salsas and spices. H... Define authentic and what spices and so on do you lack? I take it back, you didn't say authentic, you said good. A story: back when I worked for Apple (as an independent contractor, not employee), the VP of the Performa marketing came to Phoenix for a visit. I caught a shuttle to the airport in Phoenix and met him and his assistant and others for lunch. We went to some hoity-toity psuedo-mexican restaurant complete with fountains and mariachi costumes for the waitresses and the two Californians oooed and ahhhed about the quality of the food. Do you have a Pepe's in Tucson? asked the assistant. Are there any good Mexican restaurants in Tucson? I've never heard of Pepe's and I don't speak Spanish well enough to know where the good Mexican restaurants are in Tucson, said I. She and her boss looked really confused. Tucson, BTW, is the home of two Mexican-American dishes: the cheesecrisp, invented by a member of the Molina Family (every member has their own non-affiliated restaurant these days, it seems) and the chimichanga, invented accidentally when someone in El Charro Cafe dropped a burro into a french fries fryer. We also have several La Parilla Suisa (Swiss Grill), a restaurant chain from Mexico City, that bills itself as Authentic Mexico City food. To be honest, I've lived in Tucson 40 years, and probably had authentic Mexican food zero times unless it was at some hole-in-the-wall in South Tucson. OTOH, a lot of the Mexican restaurants in Tucson serve tasty food.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Plenty of Coke around here, probably of both kinds. I drank a huge one last weekend in a Mexican restaurant in Ottumwa. There are lots of Mexicans there who work in the hog slaughterhouse, so the restaurant is very good and authentic. Oh, now you've done it! I'm salivating like one of Pavlov's dogs. If good Mexican food exists anywhere in France, I have yet to find it. It's difficult to even roll your own, because the ingredients one can find around here are so crappy. Every time someone visits from Santa Fe and asks what they can bring me, I ask for a suitcase full of salsas and spices. H... Define authentic and what spices and so on do you lack? I take it back, you didn't say authentic, you said good. Ok. Now I'll answer. :-) Santa Fe has arguably the highest number of great restaurants per population of any city in America. (According to several gourmet magazines.) It kinda spoils you for lesser food. The Mexican restaurants there are superb, real cutting-edge stuff. Not all authentic, but consistently wonderful. To be honest, I've lived in Tucson 40 years, and probably had authentic Mexican food zero times unless it was at some hole-in-the-wall in South Tucson. OTOH, a lot of the Mexican restaurants in Tucson serve tasty food. The only authentic Mexican food I've ever had was in Mexico and in one restaurant in L.A. (a favorite of Jackson Browne and many other rockers, BTW). It's lighter and tastier than gringo Mexican food. I could make stuff from scratch here, and often do, but sometimes it's difficult to *find* scratch, like the right kind of beans, or tortillas (unless you make them yourself), much less annato seeds and banana leaves and habaneros for making Robert Rodriguez's famous puerco pibil recipe from 'Once Upon A Time In Mexico.' It's even worse if, like me, you're a tequila snob. In Santa Fe I could find easily 100 varieties of tequila, most costing over 50 bucks a bottle. Tequila is one of those liquors that, like Scotch, improves with aging. It's a sippin' drink. No one who knows tequila would waste a really good one on a margarita. Well, you can't find diddley-squat here in France. There is just no market for them yet, so no one imports them. The stores don't have any of the good ones, the restaurants don't have any of the good ones, and even the distributors don't have any of the good ones. Sigh.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Plenty of Coke around here, probably of both kinds. I drank a huge one last weekend in a Mexican restaurant in Ottumwa. There are lots of Mexicans there who work in the hog slaughterhouse, so the restaurant is very good and authentic. Oh, now you've done it! I'm salivating like one of Pavlov's dogs. If good Mexican food exists anywhere in France, I have yet to find it. It's difficult to even roll your own, because the ingredients one can find around here are so crappy. Every time someone visits from Santa Fe and asks what they can bring me, I ask for a suitcase full of salsas and spices. H... Define authentic and what spices and so on do you lack? I take it back, you didn't say authentic, you said good. Ok. Now I'll answer. :-) Santa Fe has arguably the highest number of great restaurants per population of any city in America. (According to several gourmet magazines.) It kinda spoils you for lesser food. The Mexican restaurants there are superb, real cutting-edge stuff. Not all authentic, but consistently wonderful. To be honest, I've lived in Tucson 40 years, and probably had authentic Mexican food zero times unless it was at some hole-in-the-wall in South Tucson. OTOH, a lot of the Mexican restaurants in Tucson serve tasty food. The only authentic Mexican food I've ever had was in Mexico and in one restaurant in L.A. (a favorite of Jackson Browne and many other rockers, BTW). It's lighter and tastier than gringo Mexican food. I could make stuff from scratch here, and often do, but sometimes it's difficult to *find* scratch, like the right kind of beans, or tortillas (unless you make them yourself), much less annato seeds and banana leaves and habaneros for making Robert Rodriguez's famous puerco pibil recipe from 'Once Upon A Time In Mexico.' It's even worse if, like me, you're a tequila snob. In Santa Fe I could find easily 100 varieties of tequila, most costing over 50 bucks a bottle. Tequila is one of those liquors that, like Scotch, improves with aging. It's a sippin' drink. No one who knows tequila would waste a really good one on a margarita. Well, you can't find diddley-squat here in France. There is just no market for them yet, so no one imports them. The stores don't have any of the good ones, the restaurants don't have any of the good ones, and even the distributors don't have any of the good ones. Sigh. If either of you ever make it to the Bay Area, check out Compadres in Palo Alto. Something which makes a great restaurant for me, Mexican or otherwise, is atmosphere. This place has a large glass and timber covered patio (used to be a foundry) with heaters and a fireplace when its chilly or raining, and you can spend all day there. Brick floors, rough hewn wooden tables, the place just oozes relaxation, and the cool thing is most people eat inside so its usually ours for the afternoon. Great selection of tequilas, probably 50 or so, and even their margaritas are a lot more than just Cuervo mix and ice. Their burritos are delicious and packed with good stuff like carnitas or lobster or mole chicken, and they have lots of other stuff. They also have a couple restaurants in Hawaii, but I haven't checked them out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It doesn't follow anything. :-) Just for fun, what exactly *is* a non-sequitur? We all know how the term is used here on FFL -- as an epithet to mean, You didn't follow my logic, and went off in another direction other than the one I *wanted* you to go in. It's a control freak thang. I don't know about you guys, but this morning I'm having fun pondering the whole concept of the non-sequitur. I remember seeing Marshall McLuhan talk about non-sequiturs once, very cogently. He referred to them as a product of a culture (Western) that is (using James Joyce's phrase) ABCED-minded. That is, he believed (and was joined in that belief by Joseph Campbell), that what most Westerners thought of as 'logical' or 'rational' was to some extent dictated to them by having been brought up in a culture that has a sequential alphabet and a fixed word order in their sentence structure. That linguistic structure, imposed upon their thought structure over time, tempts them to believe that nature is equally sequential and fixed. But all the scholars above pointed out that if you look at cultures with a pictographic (non-sequential) alpha- bet like China and Japan, you find completely different concepts of what is 'logical' or 'rational.' Similarly, if you look at the philosophy that came from Slavic languages (which have no fixed word order), you find different concepts of 'logical' or 'rational,' even in a culture that expresses itself using an alphabetic language. Me, I don't know. All I know is that for me, the most interesting exchanges on Fairfield Life are the ones in which one person says something, clearly expecting other posters to respond to it in the fixed, rigid, limited way that they're supposed to respond to it, and the respondant doesn't play along. Instead, the respondant takes the idea and does a Monty Python number on its head, saying essentially, And now for something completely different... This, to me, indicates a certain *freedom* of thought that one does not see in those who cry Non-sequitur! when this happens. Those individuals clearly *wanted* the conversation to go in a certain ABCED-minded direction, and the self that wanted this is *attached* to the conversation actually going in that direction. If it does, the self has nothing new to learn, and thus is SAFE. So the self rebels against those who won't follow its lead, and screams Non-sequitur! Meanwhile, those whose minds have moved on to more interesting trains of thought, trains that have jumped the tracks that the original poster was trying to lay down, are in most cases having more FUN with their conversations. So what do you guys think about non-sequiturs? You can take this thread anywhere you want to. *Nothing* you say within it will be considered a non-sequitur, or not following the topic. *The evening star is actually a planet, usually Mercury or Venus, when seen in the western sky just after sunset. *Mercury orbits the sun faster than any other planet, completing one revolution in 88 days. *Mercury is the more dense than any object in the solar system, save Earth. *It is suspected that 80 percent of Mercury's core is iron-nickel, as compared with Earth's 32 percent. *Mercury has a very tenuous atmosphere composed of helium atoms captured from the solar wind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *The evening star is actually a planet, usually Mercury or Venus, when seen in the western sky just after sunset. *Mercury orbits the sun faster than any other planet, completing one revolution in 88 days. *Mercury is the more dense than any object in the solar system, save Earth. And certain members of the Bush administration. *It is suspected that 80 percent of Mercury's core is iron-nickel, as compared with Earth's 32 percent. *Mercury has a very tenuous atmosphere composed of helium atoms captured from the solar wind. There is growing evidence that the modern idea that certain stars in the constellation of Orion constitute his sword is revisionist history, and that to the ancients they represented his dick, and his possibly abnormal feelings for his two hunting dogs Canis Major and Canis Minor, seen nearby.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: *The evening star is actually a planet, usually Mercury or Venus, when seen in the western sky just after sunset. *Mercury orbits the sun faster than any other planet, completing one revolution in 88 days. *Mercury is the more dense than any object in the solar system, save Earth. And certain members of the Bush administration. *It is suspected that 80 percent of Mercury's core is iron- nickel, as compared with Earth's 32 percent. *Mercury has a very tenuous atmosphere composed of helium atoms captured from the solar wind. There is growing evidence that the modern idea that certain stars in the constellation of Orion constitute his sword is revisionist history, and that to the ancients they represented his dick, and his possibly abnormal feelings for his two hunting dogs Canis Major and Canis Minor, seen nearby. The Coca-Cola Company is gratified by Judge Martinez' decision to dismiss the cases. We reaffirm our belief that the claims in the suit filed against The Coca-Cola Company and two bottlers in Colombia are inaccurate and based on distorted versions of events. We hope this decision will now enable us to put this case behind us as we continue to focus on working constructively to ensure the rights and safety of Coca-Cola workers in Colombia and worldwide. We are open to discussions with everyone who shares a commitment to finding constructive solutions to workplace issues in areas of conflict around the world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Coca-Cola Company is gratified by Judge Martinez' decision to dismiss the cases. We reaffirm our belief that the claims in the suit filed against The Coca-Cola Company and two bottlers in Colombia are inaccurate and based on distorted versions of events. We hope this decision will now enable us to put this case behind us as we continue to focus on working constructively to ensure the rights and safety of Coca-Cola workers in Colombia and worldwide. We are open to discussions with everyone who shares a commitment to finding constructive solutions to workplace issues in areas of conflict around the world. I once was walking along the Pearl Street Mall in Boulder, Colorado, home of Politically Correct Run Amok, and wanted a Coke. It took me two hours to find one. Every store and restaurant I walked into could offer me a Blue Sky Cola, or a tasty Ginseng drink, or any one of dozens of varieties of bottled water, but there was nary a Coca-Cola to be found. When I told people that what I wanted was a Coke, not any of this pansy Newage shit, they looked at me sadly, as if thinking, Poor boy...he knows not what he's doing to his body...he must be protected from himself. I hope Fairfield hasn't come to that. That said, what about Italy closing all soccer matches to fans, eh? Don't they know that the ME will keep violence from erupting? All that is needed is a contingent of TM Sidhas doing their program during the match to calm things down. And they only need the square root of one percent of the audience (which coincidentally is the same as the number fans drinking Coca-Cola instead of beer) to achieve this.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
On Feb 6, 2007, at 8:34 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I once was walking along the Pearl Street Mall in Boulder, Colorado, home of Politically Correct Run Amok, and wanted a Coke. It took me two hours to find one. Every store and restaurant I walked into could offer me a Blue Sky Cola, or a tasty Ginseng drink, or any one of dozens of varieties of bottled water, but there was nary a Coca-Cola to be found. When I told people that what I wanted was a Coke, not any of this pansy Newage shit, they looked at me sadly, as if thinking, Poor boy...he knows not what he's doing to his body...he must be protected from himself. I hope Fairfield hasn't come to that. Not even close. You can get a Coke at any number of places, and I can't remember the last time I saw a Ginseng drink on the menu. Blue Sky Cola does sound refreshing, though. Never heard of it before. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It doesn't follow anything. :-) Just for fun, what exactly *is* a non-sequitur? We all know how the term is used here on FFL -- as an epithet to mean, You didn't follow my logic, and went off in another direction other than the one I *wanted* you to go in. It's a control freak thang. And the flip side is, You didn't want to, or could not, respond to the point being made, and used the non sequitur to go off in another direction so you wouldn't have to. The trick is to distinguish between didn't want to and could not. A non sequitur can be playful and Monty Python-esque, or it can be a demonstration of attachment to one's image of oneself as infallible and hence unwilling to admit that one has made an error, or doesn't know quite as much as one would like others to think one does, or that one has emotional or psychological issues around the topic that one wants to avoid dealing with. I don't know about you guys, but this morning I'm having fun pondering the whole concept of the non-sequitur. I remember seeing Marshall McLuhan talk about non-sequiturs once, very cogently. He referred to them as a product of a culture (Western) that is (using James Joyce's phrase) ABCED-minded. That is, he believed (and was joined in that belief by Joseph Campbell), that what most Westerners thought of as 'logical' or 'rational' was to some extent dictated to them by having been brought up in a culture that has a sequential alphabet and a fixed word order in their sentence structure. That linguistic structure, imposed upon their thought structure over time, tempts them to believe that nature is equally sequential and fixed. Or not, as the case may be. Succumbing to that temptation isn't inevitable. But all the scholars above pointed out that if you look at cultures with a pictographic (non-sequential) alpha- bet like China and Japan, you find completely different concepts of what is 'logical' or 'rational.' Similarly, if you look at the philosophy that came from Slavic languages (which have no fixed word order), you find different concepts of 'logical' or 'rational,' even in a culture that expresses itself using an alphabetic language. Tangentially, exposure to Marshall McLuhan's theories, including this one, is what got me started on the spiritual path. At the time, the little book The Medium is the Massage, a collaboration between McLuhan and Jerome Agel and Quentin Fiore (a sort of illustrated distillation of McLuhan's ideas from his earlier book The Medium is the Message) was very popular in my crowd. I read it and didn't get it. Very frustrating; everyone else seemed to. Then one night I was at a friend's house; we got nicely stoned, and he gave me a pair of earphones and had me listen to an audio version of The Medium is the Massage the same team had put together. Peak experience time. I got it, in spades. The medium was unquestionably the massage. That I got it via *hearing* it when I hadn't been able to from *reading* it was itself a perfect demonstration of McLuhan's thesis. Mind-blowing is such a cliche now, but it's the only phrase that captures the experience. A whole new dimension appeared. Anyway, I won't go through the path that opened up then that eventually brought me to TM and MMY's thinking several years later, but I can't imagine how I ever could have gotten there from where I had been without having my mental boundaries blasted to smithereens by that recording. Me, I don't know. All I know is that for me, the most interesting exchanges on Fairfield Life are the ones in which one person says something, clearly expecting other posters to respond to it in the fixed, rigid, limited way that they're supposed to respond to it, and the respondant doesn't play along. Instead, the respondant takes the idea and does a Monty Python number on its head, saying essentially, And now for something completely different... This, to me, indicates a certain *freedom* of thought that one does not see in those who cry Non-sequitur! when this happens. Those individuals clearly *wanted* the conversation to go in a certain ABCED-minded direction, and the self that wanted this is *attached* to the conversation actually going in that direction. If it does, the self has nothing new to learn, and thus is SAFE. So the self rebels against those who won't follow its lead, and screams Non-sequitur! Meanwhile, those whose minds have moved on to more interesting trains of thought, trains that have jumped the tracks that the original poster was trying to lay down, are in most cases having more FUN with their conversations. So what do you guys think about non-sequiturs? You can take this thread anywhere you want to. *Nothing* you say within it will be considered a non-sequitur, or not following the topic.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: It doesn't follow anything. :-) Just for fun, what exactly *is* a non-sequitur? We all know how the term is used here on FFL -- as an epithet to mean, You didn't follow my logic, and went off in another direction other than the one I *wanted* you to go in. It's a control freak thang. And the flip side is, You didn't want to, or could not, respond to the point being made, and used the non sequitur to go off in another direction so you wouldn't have to. The trick is to distinguish between didn't want to and could not. A non sequitur can be playful and Monty Python-esque, or it can be a demonstration of attachment to one's image of oneself as infallible and hence unwilling to admit that one has made an error, or doesn't know quite as much as one would like others to think one does, or that one has emotional or psychological issues around the topic that one wants to avoid dealing with. There was an old lady whose folly, Induced her to sit in a holly; Whereon by a thorn, Her dress being torn, She quickly became melancholy. I don't know about you guys, but this morning I'm having fun pondering the whole concept of the non-sequitur. I remember seeing Marshall McLuhan talk about non-sequiturs once, very cogently. He referred to them as a product of a culture (Western) that is (using James Joyce's phrase) ABCED-minded. That is, he believed (and was joined in that belief by Joseph Campbell), that what most Westerners thought of as 'logical' or 'rational' was to some extent dictated to them by having been brought up in a culture that has a sequential alphabet and a fixed word order in their sentence structure. That linguistic structure, imposed upon their thought structure over time, tempts them to believe that nature is equally sequential and fixed. Or not, as the case may be. Succumbing to that temptation isn't inevitable. But all the scholars above pointed out that if you look at cultures with a pictographic (non-sequential) alpha- bet like China and Japan, you find completely different concepts of what is 'logical' or 'rational.' Similarly, if you look at the philosophy that came from Slavic languages (which have no fixed word order), you find different concepts of 'logical' or 'rational,' even in a culture that expresses itself using an alphabetic language. Tangentially, exposure to Marshall McLuhan's theories, including this one, is what got me started on the spiritual path. At the time, the little book The Medium is the Massage, a collaboration between McLuhan and Jerome Agel and Quentin Fiore (a sort of illustrated distillation of McLuhan's ideas from his earlier book The Medium is the Message) was very popular in my crowd. I read it and didn't get it. Very frustrating; everyone else seemed to. Then one night I was at a friend's house; we got nicely stoned, and he gave me a pair of earphones and had me listen to an audio version of The Medium is the Massage the same team had put together. Peak experience time. I got it, in spades. The medium was unquestionably the massage. That I got it via *hearing* it when I hadn't been able to from *reading* it was itself a perfect demonstration of McLuhan's thesis. Mind-blowing is such a cliche now, but it's the only phrase that captures the experience. A whole new dimension appeared. Anyway, I won't go through the path that opened up then that eventually brought me to TM and MMY's thinking several years later, but I can't imagine how I ever could have gotten there from where I had been without having my mental boundaries blasted to smithereens by that recording. During the time I lived in Toronto in the Seventies, a friend of mine was one of McLuhan's grad students. He got me into a few of McLuhan's lectures. At that time he had been treated (partially successfully) for some type of brain tumor, and as a result of either the treatment or the tumor he often rambled, seemingly incoherently. My friend prefaced my attendance by saying, We all sit there knowing that the lecture is possibly going to be 55 minutes of gibberish that none of us can follow. But it's the other five minutes that make it worthwhile. He was spot on. Me, I don't know. All I know is that for me, the most interesting exchanges on Fairfield Life are the ones in which one person says something, clearly expecting other posters to respond to it in the fixed, rigid, limited way that they're supposed to respond to it, and the respondant doesn't play along. Instead, the respondant takes the idea and does a Monty Python number on its head, saying essentially, And now for something completely different... This, to me, indicates a certain *freedom* of thought that one does not see in those who cry
[FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: It doesn't follow anything. :-) Just for fun, what exactly *is* a non-sequitur? We all know how the term is used here on FFL -- as an epithet to mean, You didn't follow my logic, and went off in another direction other than the one I *wanted* you to go in. It's a control freak thang. And the flip side is, You didn't want to, or could not, respond to the point being made, and used the non sequitur to go off in another direction so you wouldn't have to. The trick is to distinguish between didn't want to and could not. A non sequitur can be playful and Monty Python-esque, or it can be a demonstration of attachment to one's image of oneself as infallible and hence unwilling to admit that one has made an error, or doesn't know quite as much as one would like others to think one does, or that one has emotional or psychological issues around the topic that one wants to avoid dealing with. There was an old lady whose folly, Induced her to sit in a holly; Whereon by a thorn, Her dress being torn, She quickly became melancholy. Q.E.D.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: The Coca-Cola Company is gratified by Judge Martinez' decision to dismiss the cases. We reaffirm our belief that the claims in the suit filed against The Coca-Cola Company and two bottlers in Colombia are inaccurate and based on distorted versions of events. We hope this decision will now enable us to put this case behind us as we continue to focus on working constructively to ensure the rights and safety of Coca-Cola workers in Colombia and worldwide. We are open to discussions with everyone who shares a commitment to finding constructive solutions to workplace issues in areas of conflict around the world. I once was walking along the Pearl Street Mall in Boulder, Colorado, home of Politically Correct Run Amok, and wanted a Coke. It took me two hours to find one. Every store and restaurant I walked into could offer me a Blue Sky Cola, or a tasty Ginseng drink, or any one of dozens of varieties of bottled water, but there was nary a Coca-Cola to be found. When I told people that what I wanted was a Coke, not any of this pansy Newage shit, they looked at me sadly, as if thinking, Poor boy...he knows not what he's doing to his body...he must be protected from himself. I hope Fairfield hasn't come to that. That said, what about Italy closing all soccer matches to fans, eh? Don't they know that the ME will keep violence from erupting? All that is needed is a contingent of TM Sidhas doing their program during the match to calm things down. And they only need the square root of one percent of the audience (which coincidentally is the same as the number fans drinking Coca-Cola instead of beer) to achieve this. Hey, no fair- I keep sending you non-sequiturs and you respond with something relevant! An fun exercise in any case... Modern Marvels is a television series on The History Channel that answers the question of how many things in the modern world are possible, and where they came from. Premiering in 1994, Modern Marvels has produced over 300 episodes of scientific, technological, and mechanical topics varying from gasoline to the Berlin wall to the aircraft carrier to the Alaska/Alcan Highway to commercial fishing. Part of the appeal of Modern Marvels and what probably what has kept the show on the air for this long is the fact that it covers a wide range of subjects, giving the viewer lots of interesting shows that pertain to many different themes. However, unlike other science and technology shows, Modern Marvels focuses a significant portion of the episode on the history of the subject.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 6, 2007, at 8:34 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I once was walking along the Pearl Street Mall in Boulder, Colorado, home of Politically Correct Run Amok, and wanted a Coke. It took me two hours to find one. Every store and restaurant I walked into could offer me a Blue Sky Cola, or a tasty Ginseng drink, or any one of dozens of varieties of bottled water, but there was nary a Coca-Cola to be found. When I told people that what I wanted was a Coke, not any of this pansy Newage shit, they looked at me sadly, as if thinking, Poor boy...he knows not what he's doing to his body...he must be protected from himself. I hope Fairfield hasn't come to that. Not even close. You can get a Coke at any number of places, and I can't remember the last time I saw a Ginseng drink on the menu. Blue Sky Cola does sound refreshing, though. Never heard of it before. Sal Is Shock Tea similar to Jolt Cola?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: It doesn't follow anything. :-) Just for fun, what exactly *is* a non-sequitur? We all know how the term is used here on FFL -- as an epithet to mean, You didn't follow my logic, and went off in another direction other than the one I *wanted* you to go in. It's a control freak thang. And the flip side is, You didn't want to, or could not, respond to the point being made, and used the non sequitur to go off in another direction so you wouldn't have to. The trick is to distinguish between didn't want to and could not. A non sequitur can be playful and Monty Python-esque, or it can be a demonstration of attachment to one's image of oneself as infallible and hence unwilling to admit that one has made an error, or doesn't know quite as much as one would like others to think one does, or that one has emotional or psychological issues around the topic that one wants to avoid dealing with. There was an old lady whose folly, Induced her to sit in a holly; Whereon by a thorn, Her dress being torn, She quickly became melancholy. Q.E.D. In the modernist trend to PC, Christian tenets are not QED. No one sect to promote, It's correct now to note, Dates BC are now marked BCE. - Bob Dvorak
[FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: The Coca-Cola Company is gratified by Judge Martinez' decision to dismiss the cases. We reaffirm our belief that the claims in the suit filed against The Coca-Cola Company and two bottlers in Colombia are inaccurate and based on distorted versions of events. We hope this decision will now enable us to put this case behind us as we continue to focus on working constructively to ensure the rights and safety of Coca-Cola workers in Colombia and worldwide. We are open to discussions with everyone who shares a commitment to finding constructive solutions to workplace issues in areas of conflict around the world. I once was walking along the Pearl Street Mall in Boulder, Colorado, home of Politically Correct Run Amok, and wanted a Coke. It took me two hours to find one. Every store and restaurant I walked into could offer me a Blue Sky Cola, or a tasty Ginseng drink, or any one of dozens of varieties of bottled water, but there was nary a Coca-Cola to be found. When I told people that what I wanted was a Coke, not any of this pansy Newage shit, they looked at me sadly, as if thinking, Poor boy...he knows not what he's doing to his body...he must be protected from himself. I hope Fairfield hasn't come to that. That said, what about Italy closing all soccer matches to fans, eh? Don't they know that the ME will keep violence from erupting? All that is needed is a contingent of TM Sidhas doing their program during the match to calm things down. And they only need the square root of one percent of the audience (which coincidentally is the same as the number fans drinking Coca-Cola instead of beer) to achieve this. Hey, no fair- I keep sending you non-sequiturs and you respond with something relevant! They're called sequiturs. :-) An fun exercise in any case... For those who get fun. Obviously, not all here do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 6, 2007, at 8:34 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I once was walking along the Pearl Street Mall in Boulder, Colorado, home of Politically Correct Run Amok, and wanted a Coke. It took me two hours to find one. Every store and restaurant I walked into could offer me a Blue Sky Cola, or a tasty Ginseng drink, or any one of dozens of varieties of bottled water, but there was nary a Coca-Cola to be found. When I told people that what I wanted was a Coke, not any of this pansy Newage shit, they looked at me sadly, as if thinking, Poor boy...he knows not what he's doing to his body...he must be protected from himself. I hope Fairfield hasn't come to that. Not even close. You can get a Coke at any number of places, and I can't remember the last time I saw a Ginseng drink on the menu. Blue Sky Cola does sound refreshing, though. Never heard of it before. Is Shock Tea similar to Jolt Cola? Yes, but you can't get it in a bottle. It must be transmitted. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: The Coca-Cola Company is gratified by Judge Martinez' decision to dismiss the cases. We reaffirm our belief that the claims in the suit filed against The Coca-Cola Company and two bottlers in Colombia are inaccurate and based on distorted versions of events. We hope this decision will now enable us to put this case behind us as we continue to focus on working constructively to ensure the rights and safety of Coca-Cola workers in Colombia and worldwide. We are open to discussions with everyone who shares a commitment to finding constructive solutions to workplace issues in areas of conflict around the world. I once was walking along the Pearl Street Mall in Boulder, Colorado, home of Politically Correct Run Amok, and wanted a Coke. It took me two hours to find one. Every store and restaurant I walked into could offer me a Blue Sky Cola, or a tasty Ginseng drink, or any one of dozens of varieties of bottled water, but there was nary a Coca-Cola to be found. When I told people that what I wanted was a Coke, not any of this pansy Newage shit, they looked at me sadly, as if thinking, Poor boy...he knows not what he's doing to his body...he must be protected from himself. I hope Fairfield hasn't come to that. That said, what about Italy closing all soccer matches to fans, eh? Don't they know that the ME will keep violence from erupting? All that is needed is a contingent of TM Sidhas doing their program during the match to calm things down. And they only need the square root of one percent of the audience (which coincidentally is the same as the number fans drinking Coca-Cola instead of beer) to achieve this. Hey, no fair- I keep sending you non-sequiturs and you respond with something relevant! They're called sequiturs. :-) An fun exercise in any case... For those who get fun. Obviously, not all here do. Not so obvious as you may want to believe.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: The Coca-Cola Company is gratified by Judge Martinez' decision to dismiss the cases. We reaffirm our belief that the claims in the suit filed against The Coca-Cola Company and two bottlers in Colombia are inaccurate and based on distorted versions of events. We hope this decision will now enable us to put this case behind us as we continue to focus on working constructively to ensure the rights and safety of Coca-Cola workers in Colombia and worldwide. We are open to discussions with everyone who shares a commitment to finding constructive solutions to workplace issues in areas of conflict around the world. I once was walking along the Pearl Street Mall in Boulder, Colorado, home of Politically Correct Run Amok, and wanted a Coke. It took me two hours to find one. Every store and restaurant I walked into could offer me a Blue Sky Cola, or a tasty Ginseng drink, or any one of dozens of varieties of bottled water, but there was nary a Coca-Cola to be found. When I told people that what I wanted was a Coke, not any of this pansy Newage shit, they looked at me sadly, as if thinking, Poor boy...he knows not what he's doing to his body...he must be protected from himself. I hope Fairfield hasn't come to that. That said, what about Italy closing all soccer matches to fans, eh? Don't they know that the ME will keep violence from erupting? All that is needed is a contingent of TM Sidhas doing their program during the match to calm things down. And they only need the square root of one percent of the audience (which coincidentally is the same as the number fans drinking Coca-Cola instead of beer) to achieve this. Hey, no fair- I keep sending you non-sequiturs and you respond with something relevant! They're called sequiturs. :-) An fun exercise in any case... For those who get fun. Obviously, not all here do. sequiturs-- LOL!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 6, 2007, at 8:34 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I once was walking along the Pearl Street Mall in Boulder, Colorado, home of Politically Correct Run Amok, and wanted a Coke. It took me two hours to find one. Every store and restaurant I walked into could offer me a Blue Sky Cola, or a tasty Ginseng drink, or any one of dozens of varieties of bottled water, but there was nary a Coca-Cola to be found. When I told people that what I wanted was a Coke, not any of this pansy Newage shit, they looked at me sadly, as if thinking, Poor boy...he knows not what he's doing to his body...he must be protected from himself. I hope Fairfield hasn't come to that. Not even close. You can get a Coke at any number of places, and I can't remember the last time I saw a Ginseng drink on the menu. Blue Sky Cola does sound refreshing, though. Never heard of it before. Is Shock Tea similar to Jolt Cola? Yes, but you can't get it in a bottle. It must be transmitted. :-) LOL! You're on a roll today...er, this evening in France, which makes sense cuz you've had *all day* to respond to postings! ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: The Coca-Cola Company is gratified by Judge Martinez' decision to dismiss the cases. We reaffirm our belief that the claims in the suit filed against The Coca-Cola Company and two bottlers in Colombia are inaccurate and based on distorted versions of events. We hope this decision will now enable us to put this case behind us as we continue to focus on working constructively to ensure the rights and safety of Coca-Cola workers in Colombia and worldwide. We are open to discussions with everyone who shares a commitment to finding constructive solutions to workplace issues in areas of conflict around the world. I once was walking along the Pearl Street Mall in Boulder, Colorado, home of Politically Correct Run Amok, and wanted a Coke. It took me two hours to find one. Every store and restaurant I walked into could offer me a Blue Sky Cola, or a tasty Ginseng drink, or any one of dozens of varieties of bottled water, but there was nary a Coca-Cola to be found. When I told people that what I wanted was a Coke, not any of this pansy Newage shit, they looked at me sadly, as if thinking, Poor boy...he knows not what he's doing to his body...he must be protected from himself. I hope Fairfield hasn't come to that. That said, what about Italy closing all soccer matches to fans, eh? Don't they know that the ME will keep violence from erupting? All that is needed is a contingent of TM Sidhas doing their program during the match to calm things down. And they only need the square root of one percent of the audience (which coincidentally is the same as the number fans drinking Coca-Cola instead of beer) to achieve this. Hey, no fair- I keep sending you non-sequiturs and you respond with something relevant! They're called sequiturs. :-) An fun exercise in any case... For those who get fun. Obviously, not all here do. sequiturs-- LOL! Followers as opposed to Believers?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:34 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread I once was walking along the Pearl Street Mall in Boulder, Colorado, home of Politically Correct Run Amok, and wanted a Coke. It took me two hours to find one. Every store and restaurant I walked into could offer me a Blue Sky Cola, or a tasty Ginseng drink, or any one of dozens of varieties of bottled water, but there was nary a Coca-Cola to be found. When I told people that what I wanted was a Coke, not any of this pansy Newage shit, they looked at me sadly, as if thinking, Poor boy...he knows not what he's doing to his body...he must be protected from himself. Plenty of Coke around here, probably of both kinds. I drank a huge one last weekend in a Mexican restaurant in Ottumwa. There are lots of Mexicans there who work in the hog slaughterhouse, so the restaurant is very good and authentic.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:44 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The non-sequitur thread Not even close. You can get a Coke at any number of places, and I can't remember the last time I saw a Ginseng drink on the menu. Blue Sky Cola does sound refreshing, though. Never heard of it before. They have it at Everybody's. Doesn't taste as good as Coke, IMO, but Knudson makes a pretty good cola.
