[FairfieldLife] Re: There's nothing girlish about him
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: Just as Girish doesn't get western culture, MMY never really did either, even though he lived and traveled in it so long. So true. His approach was always to try to bend Western culture to the ideal that he had in his mind, rather than try to understand it and deal with it on its own level. The problem, of course, is that his ideal is all based on myth and fantasy from an Indian past that may very well have never existed. He's *still* trying to replicate a Vedic culture that probably *always* existed only as a dream had by those who weren't content with what was actually going on around them. As I said: memories of future past... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: There's nothing girlish about him
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as Girish doesn't get western culture, MMY never really did either, even though he lived and traveled in it so long. So true. His approach was always to try to bend Western culture to the ideal that he had in his mind, rather than try to understand it and deal with it on its own level. The problem, of course, is that his ideal is all based on myth and fantasy from an Indian past that may very well have never existed. He's *still* trying to replicate a Vedic culture that probably *always* existed only as a dream had by those who weren't content with what was actually going on around them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: There's nothing girlish about him
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/9/06 2:05 PM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think girish just wants the business empire, which he appears to be in line for. Nader can keep the ceremonial crown and maybe for some TBs that will mean something, but from what I hear he has no real power over the accounts or on the boards of directors. With MMY gone, can either of them keep donations coming in at $1 million a pop? I dont' think so. Techniques teaching is pretty much dead. So controlling the various business operations and offshore accounts is what matters, and girish looks like the type of guy who understands that. (I don't know, maybe his putting his picture on par with MMYs is an attempt to cultivate a guru image in the Indian TMO and maybe those people are gullible to buy into that). Some may, but the guy is pretty deficient in the charisma department. He'd better learn to manifest ash or something. He could afford to pay for lessons from David Blaine or David Copperfield. Funny, but isn't that a sad commentary on people in general and what it takes to inspire them. To steal Curtis' phrase, their street cred as a spiritual teacher is dependent on their ability to make an ash of themselves. :-) Seriously, I've never understood the fascination people have with miracles and the importance they assign to it. A guy turns water into wine -- neat, but can he teach *you* to do it? If not, what's the big deal. Another guy manifests some white powder. Again, big deal...can you put it into your coffee as a sweetener, or snort it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: There's nothing girlish about him
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 5/9/06 2:05 PM, markmeredith2002 at markmeredith@ wrote: I think girish just wants the business empire, which he appears to be in line for. Nader can keep the ceremonial crown and maybe for some TBs that will mean something, but from what I hear he has no real power over the accounts or on the boards of directors. With MMY gone, can either of them keep donations coming in at $1 million a pop? I dont' think so. Techniques teaching is pretty much dead. So controlling the various business operations and offshore accounts is what matters, and girish looks like the type of guy who understands that. (I don't know, maybe his putting his picture on par with MMYs is an attempt to cultivate a guru image in the Indian TMO and maybe those people are gullible to buy into that). Some may, but the guy is pretty deficient in the charisma department. He'd better learn to manifest ash or something. He could afford to pay for lessons from David Blaine or David Copperfield. Funny, but isn't that a sad commentary on people in general and what it takes to inspire them. To steal Curtis' phrase, their street cred as a spiritual teacher is dependent on their ability to make an ash of themselves. :-) Ironically, TM didn't use to need silly things such as manifesting ash for its street cred. Providing a simple, easy technique was all that was necessary. And then the equivalent of manifesting ash was -- and I think I'm accurate in saying this -- TO THE SURPRISE OF EVERYONE introduced into the equation: the flying technique. And that was the beginning of the end as far as I'm concerned. ALL street cred was lost. Seriously, I've never understood the fascination people have with miracles and the importance they assign to it. A guy turns water into wine -- neat, but can he teach *you* to do it? If not, what's the big deal. Another guy manifests some white powder. Again, big deal...can you put it into your coffee as a sweetener, or snort it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: There's nothing girlish about him
I think girish just wants the business empire, which he appears to be in line for. Nader can keep the ceremonial crown and maybe for some TBs that will mean something, but from what I hear he has no real power over the accounts or on the boards of directors. With MMY gone, can either of them keep donations coming in at $1 million a pop? I dont' think so. Techniques teaching is pretty much dead. So controlling the various business operations and offshore accounts is what matters, and girish looks like the type of guy who understands that. (I don't know, maybe his putting his picture on par with MMYs is an attempt to cultivate a guru image in the Indian TMO and maybe those people are gullible to buy into that). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/328a?b=2 I find this photo one of the most disturbing I have ever seen of any TMO photo. The immediate reason I feel this is for the obvious reason: this beloved nephew deems to put himself on the same level as MMY. How arrogant. How silly! It is so obvious as to how this guy feels about his place in the Movement that I am embarrassed for him. I don't think he has a clue in what light Westerners would see him when they see him -- while MMY is alive no less! -- putting himself in a photo beside MMY in a same sized photo on the same level. What this photo does is make me think of what happened to the Guru Maharaj Ji cult of the mid-70's. Remember him? He was the 13-year- old incarnation of God that had quite a following there for awhile. But the whole thing came crashing down one day -- out of the blue -- when unexpectedly (at least to the Westerners who followed him) his mother back in India announced that she and the family were disowning him and replacing him as God by his older brother. Of course, as a result, the whole family business took a nose-dive. The family just didn't have a clue: it was nutty enough in the first place that a 13-year-old could be the incarnation of God. But it was sellable in its outrageousness and enough drugged-out ex-hippies in the US and the Western World bought it to make it both a viable cult AND quite a financially-viable enterprise. BUT what the West wouldn't accept was a Mother rejecting her own son and replacing him as God with another son. This was just TOO nutty. And like the Stalin revelations by Kruschev in the mid-'50s which resulted in 90% of the American Communist Party giving up their membership, so did the little God's cult end overnight. The family just didn't get it; had they, I suggest, they would never have risked the family fortune by disowning the 13-year-old. Some other accomodation to the obvious rift between the son and the Mother would have been worked out. I suggest that their not getting it happened because this Indian family simply couldn't grasp the Western paradigm and culture and didn't assess what the fall-out would be; there was a disconnect between their Indian Eastern culture and the West. Indians would understand naming another son as God; Westerners said: enough! This is a cult and I won't have the wool pulled over my eyes anymore than it already has and I want out! Girish has the same problem. I am convinced this guy has designs on becoming MMY's successor. But what he doesn't realize is that just because he's a relative and that this may sell in India, no one in the West is going to buy into it. This is the first indications of the scism that will happen not too soon after MMY dies: Girish will proclaim himself and King Ram-A- Lama-Ding-Dong Nader will proclaim himself in Holland. And everyone in the Movement will take sides. And when that happens, everything will, of course, fall apart even more than they have fallen apart in the sorry state of affairs they're in today. So TMO people will join Girlish or Nader. But then a large contingent will move towards SSRS, simply because -- relative to these two other nutjobs -- at least SSRS looks like a guru, is young, and can act the part. So those are three schisms. The fourth schism will be the independents who will just say: fuck it, I'm teaching TM for whatever price is reasonable and I'm doing it on my own. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There's nothing girlish about him
on 5/9/06 2:05 PM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think girish just wants the business empire, which he appears to be in line for. Nader can keep the ceremonial crown and maybe for some TBs that will mean something, but from what I hear he has no real power over the accounts or on the boards of directors. With MMY gone, can either of them keep donations coming in at $1 million a pop? I dont' think so. Techniques teaching is pretty much dead. So controlling the various business operations and offshore accounts is what matters, and girish looks like the type of guy who understands that. (I don't know, maybe his putting his picture on par with MMYs is an attempt to cultivate a guru image in the Indian TMO and maybe those people are gullible to buy into that). Some may, but the guy is pretty deficient in the charisma department. He'd better learn to manifest ash or something. He could afford to pay for lessons from David Blaine or David Copperfield. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: There's nothing girlish about him
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/9/06 2:05 PM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think girish just wants the business empire, which he appears to be in line for. Nader can keep the ceremonial crown and maybe for some TBs that will mean something, but from what I hear he has no real power over the accounts or on the boards of directors. With MMY gone, can either of them keep donations coming in at $1 million a pop? I dont' think so. Techniques teaching is pretty much dead. So controlling the various business operations and offshore accounts is what matters, and girish looks like the type of guy who understands that. (I don't know, maybe his putting his picture on par with MMYs is an attempt to cultivate a guru image in the Indian TMO and maybe those people are gullible to buy into that). Some may, but the guy is pretty deficient in the charisma department. He'd better learn to manifest ash or something. He could afford to pay for lessons from David Blaine or David Copperfield. Great idea. It appears Blaine's latest stunt kind of bombed, so he might need some consulting work. Girish just need to be sure he's close to the bed when MMY goes, so he can say the shakti got passed on then and now, voila he can do miracles. BTW -- who are the spaced out westerners in the photo with him?? Wonder if he's got english purushas serving him - colonial revenge. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: There's nothing girlish about him
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as Girish doesn't get western culture, MMY never really did either, even though he lived and traveled in it so long. I agree...and it was only to the extent that he did in an honest and innocent way did it work to his advantage. I'm talking of course about the scientific research stuff. Yes, reasonable and pretty great thing to say: of course, no belief is necessary for TM to work and, indeed, you can scientifically measure the phenomenon to see if it works. This approach was wonderful and worked to the advantage of the movement. But when MMY started to paint the sides of scientific booklets gold and selectively publish and edit studies it, of course, turned people off. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: There's nothing girlish about him
After Maharishi reaches Samadhi, The Girish group needs Dr.Nader and Dr.Hagelin who have the Spiritual-Intellectual base to keep bringing in the Cash-flow. After Maharishi, Dr.Nader and Dr.Hagelin are the only Cash-Cows left. Without them I don't' see how the organisation would function. Somebody said, Dr. Bevan Morris is in charge of the Global Development Fund which is several hundred Million dollars. Perhaps, a Tussle for the Bank Accounts might be between Dr. Bevan Morris and Girish..??? MarkMeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 19:05:50 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There's nothing girlish about himI think girish just wants the business empire, which he appears to bein line for. Nader can keep the ceremonial crown and maybe for someTBs that will mean something, but from what I hear he has no realpower over the accounts or on the boards of directors. With MMY gone, can either of them keep donations coming in at $1 million a pop? I dont' think so. Techniques teaching is pretty much dead. Socontrolling the various business operations and offshore accounts iswhat matters, and girish looks like the type of guy who understandsthat. (I don't know, maybe his putting his picture on par with MMYsis an attempt to cultivate a guru image in the Indian TMO and maybethose people are gullible to buy into that). Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! FareChase To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: There's nothing girlish about him
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd say he got it only too well--gullible Westerners/Americans looking for a daddy-replacement in their lives will buy anything, no matter how loony-sounding. Sal On May 9, 2006, at 1:38 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Just as Girish doesn't get western culture, MMY never really did either, even though he lived and traveled in it so long. What troubles me at the moment are that those 'gullible Westerners/Americans' seem to be the target audience. (and BTW, I liked the 2 PDA's on Girish's desk...) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There's nothing girlish about him
A spiritual movement is driven from the depth of the realization of its founder/guru. When MMY goes the whole movement turns to an empty shell. No big deal. the way of Brahman. --- Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After Maharishi reaches Samadhi, The Girish group needs Dr.Nader and Dr.Hagelin who have the Spiritual-Intellectual base to keep bringing in the Cash-flow. After Maharishi, Dr.Nader and Dr.Hagelin are the only Cash-Cows left. Without them I don't' see how the organisation would function. Somebody said, Dr. Bevan Morris is in charge of the Global Development Fund which is several hundred Million dollars. Perhaps, a Tussle for the Bank Accounts might be between Dr. Bevan Morris and Girish..??? MarkMeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 19:05:50 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There's nothing girlish about him I think girish just wants the business empire, which he appears to be in line for. Nader can keep the ceremonial crown and maybe for some TBs that will mean something, but from what I hear he has no real power over the accounts or on the boards of directors. With MMY gone, can either of them keep donations coming in at $1 million a pop? I dont' think so. Techniques teaching is pretty much dead. So controlling the various business operations and offshore accounts is what matters, and girish looks like the type of guy who understands that. (I don't know, maybe his putting his picture on par with MMYs is an attempt to cultivate a guru image in the Indian TMO and maybe those people are gullible to buy into that). - Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! FareChase __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
