[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I say Barry is dishonest
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm so glad that this is getting straightened out. > I've been tossing about at night thinking about it. Lurk: Think "Groundhog Day" > > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Some here have expressed skepticism when I have > > > said that Barry is dishonest. > > > > > > Following is a clear-cut, utterly unambiguous > > > example (from #151367): > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > > > Thirteen years ago, on another forum, someone > > > > else developed the same kind of twisted fixation > > > > on me, confusing me with all the things she > > hates > > > > in herself but cannot accept or recognize in > > > > herself. > > > > > > > > She has stalked me from forum to forum ever > > since > > > > > > Barry is, of course, referring to me. > > > > > > The first paragraph is Barry's *opinion*, even > > > though he states it as if it were established > > > fact. He's totally wrong, but he's entitled to > > > hold wrong opinions. > > > > > > The dishonesty is in the next line: > > > > > > > She has stalked me from forum to forum ever > > since > > > > > > This is a lie in the narrowest sense of the > > > term, in that Barry knows it isn't true. He > > > has repeated it many times here and elsewhere. > > > > > > Here are the facts, of which Barry is very > > > well aware: > > > > > > Barry and I have been on exactly three of the > > > same groups: alt.meditation.transcendental, > > > FairfieldLife, and Knapp's blog, TMFree. > > > > > > I encountered Barry for the first time on > > > alt.m.t, so obviously I couldn't have "stalked" > > > him there. > > > > > > I was a member of FairfieldLife before Barry > > > ever joined it. I didn't read it regularly > > > or post to it, however, until after Barry had > > > joined and *invited* everyone on alt.m.t to > > > participate in the discussions on FFL. > > > > > > "Stalking" can mean several different things. > > > One thing it does *not* mean is responding to > > > an invitation by the purported stalkee. > > > > > > And I was posting comments on TMFree shortly > > > after it went live, *well before* Barry had > > > posted anything there himself. If anything, > > > he stalked *me* there. > > > > > > Again, Barry is very well aware of all these > > > facts. His claim that I have been "stalking > > > him from forum to forum" is a deliberate lie. > > > > > > This is not an isolated example; it's not some > > > kind of aberration. It's very far from the only > > > lie he's told, here and on alt.m.t and TMFree > > > (and goodness knows where else that I'm not > > > aware of), about me, and about others. But as I > > > say, it's an unambiguous example, and it's > > > something anyone can verify for themselves. > > > > > > Finally, just as a bonus, note the phrasing > > > "ever since," following Barry's claim about > > > what had happened 13 years ago. In fact, for > > > 11 of those years, until 2005 when I started > > > posting to FFL, alt.m.t was the *only* forum > > > Barry and I were on together. > > > > > > "Ever since" is therefore deliberately > > > deceptive, making it sound as though the > > > purported "stalking" has been going on for > > > 13 years. It's a lie on top of a lie. > > > > > I think anyone who reads Barry's posts regularly is > > aware as he said > > that he writes to unwind, for fun, on the spur of > > the moment, not to > > debate his writings. More like a blog than items for > > further > > discussion, and that is the spirit in which to read > > them. Try to > > call him on his stuff and it'll just drive you nuts. > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > _ ___ > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/ >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I say Barry is dishonest
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm so glad that this is getting straightened out. > I've been tossing about at night thinking about it. > me too- I've got big odds riding on it in Vegas, so I hope the right one wins!! C'mon!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why I say Barry is dishonest
I'm so glad that this is getting straightened out. I've been tossing about at night thinking about it. --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Some here have expressed skepticism when I have > > said that Barry is dishonest. > > > > Following is a clear-cut, utterly unambiguous > > example (from #151367): > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > > Thirteen years ago, on another forum, someone > > > else developed the same kind of twisted fixation > > > on me, confusing me with all the things she > hates > > > in herself but cannot accept or recognize in > > > herself. > > > > > > She has stalked me from forum to forum ever > since > > > > Barry is, of course, referring to me. > > > > The first paragraph is Barry's *opinion*, even > > though he states it as if it were established > > fact. He's totally wrong, but he's entitled to > > hold wrong opinions. > > > > The dishonesty is in the next line: > > > > > She has stalked me from forum to forum ever > since > > > > This is a lie in the narrowest sense of the > > term, in that Barry knows it isn't true. He > > has repeated it many times here and elsewhere. > > > > Here are the facts, of which Barry is very > > well aware: > > > > Barry and I have been on exactly three of the > > same groups: alt.meditation.transcendental, > > FairfieldLife, and Knapp's blog, TMFree. > > > > I encountered Barry for the first time on > > alt.m.t, so obviously I couldn't have "stalked" > > him there. > > > > I was a member of FairfieldLife before Barry > > ever joined it. I didn't read it regularly > > or post to it, however, until after Barry had > > joined and *invited* everyone on alt.m.t to > > participate in the discussions on FFL. > > > > "Stalking" can mean several different things. > > One thing it does *not* mean is responding to > > an invitation by the purported stalkee. > > > > And I was posting comments on TMFree shortly > > after it went live, *well before* Barry had > > posted anything there himself. If anything, > > he stalked *me* there. > > > > Again, Barry is very well aware of all these > > facts. His claim that I have been "stalking > > him from forum to forum" is a deliberate lie. > > > > This is not an isolated example; it's not some > > kind of aberration. It's very far from the only > > lie he's told, here and on alt.m.t and TMFree > > (and goodness knows where else that I'm not > > aware of), about me, and about others. But as I > > say, it's an unambiguous example, and it's > > something anyone can verify for themselves. > > > > Finally, just as a bonus, note the phrasing > > "ever since," following Barry's claim about > > what had happened 13 years ago. In fact, for > > 11 of those years, until 2005 when I started > > posting to FFL, alt.m.t was the *only* forum > > Barry and I were on together. > > > > "Ever since" is therefore deliberately > > deceptive, making it sound as though the > > purported "stalking" has been going on for > > 13 years. It's a lie on top of a lie. > > > I think anyone who reads Barry's posts regularly is > aware as he said > that he writes to unwind, for fun, on the spur of > the moment, not to > debate his writings. More like a blog than items for > further > discussion, and that is the spirit in which to read > them. Try to > call him on his stuff and it'll just drive you nuts. > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I say Barry is dishonest
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > "but if he said it to me in church while looking > > > > > at a choirgirl, my anger would be instantly full blown." > > > > > > > > I think the addiction here is to imagining things to get > > > > angry about. Hypothetically stimulating your righteous > > > > anger gland alone in your room. What does this remind me of... > > > > > > Now *that* is an interesting insight, Curtis. > > > > > > It's like "righteous anger" is the closest that > > > either of them can get to "righteous," and they've > > > got to continually...uh...stimulate themselves > > > with imagined affronts so that they can get to > > > that emotional state. > > > > "She has stalked me from forum to forum ever since" > > is not an "imagined affront." It's a bare-faced, > > vicious, knowing lie. > > > > Edg can speak for himself. > > It is my honest, considered opinion. And that is also a bare-faced, vicious, knowing lie. > And you can prove that opinion wrong. I've already proved your lie was a lie, thanks. > You have a marvelous opportunity to > do so. You have one more post and, as > it turns out, *only* one more post > this week in which to show what > you're really about. Actually I have one more besides this one. I'm going to be away this coming week, so I didn't have to worry about how many posts I made this weekend, sorry to burst your pathetic bubble. > Will you spend it writing about some- > thing positive, something to do with > enlightenment or meditation or spirit- > ual practice or even something that > inspired the heck out of you today, > or will you spend it attacking me? You mean, attacking you the way you've been attacking me? I don't get my jollies pretending to be oh-so- much-more-spiritual than everybody else, then turning around and telling vicious lies about other people. I do think one of the contributions I make here is exposing spiritual phonies like you. > I think the answer kinda settles things. You've already done that, just not quite in the way you planned.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why I say Barry is dishonest
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 1:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why I say Barry is dishonest And you can prove that opinion wrong. You have a marvelous opportunity to do so. You have one more post and, as it turns out, *only* one more post this week in which to show what you're really about. Will you spend it writing about some- thing positive, something to do with enlightenment or meditation or spirit- ual practice or even something that inspired the heck out of you today, or will you spend it attacking me? I think the answer kinda settles things. My count matches yours. She writes good stuff when she applies herself to it. It’s a pity she wastes so many posts trying to prove you’re a liar. You’d think most people would have reached some sort of conclusion by now and wouldn’t need further convincing. Most of us have learned to skip the Barry-Judy fight posts, so those posts are literally being thrown away. Maybe Judy should start a chat group for those who really care to follow this feud. Then she could dedicate one post a week here to reminding people that that group exists and providing a link for people to visit it to read her latest thoughts about you, and yours about her, if you care to express them. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.9/1069 - Release Date: 10/13/2007 7:26 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I say Barry is dishonest
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > > "but if he said it to me in church while looking > > > > at a choirgirl, my anger would be instantly full blown." > > > > > > I think the addiction here is to imagining things to get > > > angry about. Hypothetically stimulating your righteous > > > anger gland alone in your room. What does this remind me of... > > > > Now *that* is an interesting insight, Curtis. > > > > It's like "righteous anger" is the closest that > > either of them can get to "righteous," and they've > > got to continually...uh...stimulate themselves > > with imagined affronts so that they can get to > > that emotional state. > > "She has stalked me from forum to forum ever since" > is not an "imagined affront." It's a bare-faced, > vicious, knowing lie. > > Edg can speak for himself. It is my honest, considered opinion. And you can prove that opinion wrong. You have a marvelous opportunity to do so. You have one more post and, as it turns out, *only* one more post this week in which to show what you're really about. Will you spend it writing about some- thing positive, something to do with enlightenment or meditation or spirit- ual practice or even something that inspired the heck out of you today, or will you spend it attacking me? I think the answer kinda settles things.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I say Barry is dishonest
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > > "but if he said it to me in church while looking > > > at a choirgirl, my anger would be instantly full blown." > > > > I think the addiction here is to imagining things to get > > angry about. Hypothetically stimulating your righteous > > anger gland alone in your room. What does this remind me of... > > Now *that* is an interesting insight, Curtis. > > It's like "righteous anger" is the closest that > either of them can get to "righteous," and they've > got to continually...uh...stimulate themselves > with imagined affronts so that they can get to > that emotional state. "She has stalked me from forum to forum ever since" is not an "imagined affront." It's a bare-faced, vicious, knowing lie. Edg can speak for himself. > > How sad. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I say Barry is dishonest
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Judy, I think he's just pushing your buttons for entertainment. Sometimes he tries to do that. (Do you believe it's perfectly OK to lie about people just for the sake of entertainment?) But this wasn't one of those times. This was an out-and-out attack grounded in fear and rage and hatred.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I say Barry is dishonest
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Even though this "personality has waged a ten year 'war'" on you, Those were not my words. Please don't put your paraphrases of something I said in quotes. > you choose to support and defend and assume that his other intents > in life are not equally tainted by this dynamic. He has reason to lie about me. He has no reason to lie about *not* making it into bed with a pretty young girl. If he were going to lie, it would be the other way around, especially since she isn't around to contradict him. > If he can so "coldly stalk" you hoping for the least chink Those weren't my words either. > After he utters "hit that," Here's what he actually wrote: "And yeah, she is 'way cute, and I would be the luckiest guy on earth if I were fortunate enough to be hittin' that. But that really wasn't on my mind." Stop claiming he said "Hit that" as some kind of an imperative. Either quote what he said in context, or quit quoting him at all. > He's burned you not once, but hundreds of times, yet you'd trust > his words here to be a correct description of his modus operandi > in bars? We don't even know if his tales about the bar have anything to do with reality. Your fantasy about his being a predator depends on your taking his account of two beautiful young things hanging on his every word in a bar as the gospel truth. Why do you assume he got *that* far with them if you don't trust anything he says? Why do you assume they existed in the first place? > And I reserve the right to be as wildly corrosive in my descriptions > of anyone here as I want to be -- call them projection if you like, > but I'm trying to encapsulate emotions, and the emotions just need > big words and phrases. And the rest of us reserve the right to call you out when you go ridiculously overboard. If you can't "encapsulate emotions" without making shit up, that reflects poorly on your writing skills, as well as on your ethics. > PS -- The "Judy boy toy" thing was due to your words that suggested > that you would take a lover 20 years your junior. I don't recall saying that. I think you made that up too. On the other hand, I'm 65 years old, so a man 20 years younger would be 45--hardly a "boy toy." I don't see you as > a predator on a regular basis though -- just willing to be one > if you "got lucky." You're full of it, Edg.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I say Barry is dishonest
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > "but if he said it to me in church while looking > > at a choirgirl, my anger would be instantly full blown." > > I think the addiction here is to imagining things to get > angry about. Hypothetically stimulating your righteous > anger gland alone in your room. What does this remind me of... Now *that* is an interesting insight, Curtis. It's like "righteous anger" is the closest that either of them can get to "righteous," and they've got to continually...uh...stimulate themselves with imagined affronts so that they can get to that emotional state. How sad.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I say Barry is dishonest
"but if he said it to me in church while looking > at a choirgirl, my anger would be instantly full blown." I think the addiction here is to imagining things to get angry about. Hypothetically stimulating your righteous anger gland alone in your room. What does this remind me of... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Judy, > > You say Barry's a liar of significant degree. You're accusing him of > mindfully trying to besmirch you, and that this agenda of his is > undeserved by you. > > Even though this "personality has waged a ten year 'war'" on you, you > choose to support and defend and assume that his other intents in > life are not equally tainted by this dynamic. I think the concept of > infinite self-reference applies here. Barry can't be so cruel towards > you without it leaking out into his other actions. > > If he can so "coldly stalk" you hoping for the least chink to slam a > wedge into, why can't he stalk a girl in a bar with an equally > offensive intent? > > After he utters "hit that," you do not think that it is logical to > call for a concern that he'll pursue a manipulative intent in a bar > while talking to a 25 year old. > > Why? > > He's burned you not once, but hundreds of times, yet you'd trust his > words here to be a correct description of his modus operandi in bars? > "Hit that" tells any man in the real world that the speaker is out for > objectified sex, yet you say Barry's not revealed any predatory intent > and is, well, I guess, "trustable," and that we should take him at his > word about his true motivations? > > You've taken the stance that girls of the world are too savvy to be > tricked by him, and that I am off base thinking women are so easily > targeted, and that I am being offensive to women to assert that they > are at any risk. I do think women are as easily manipulated by > "loving gestures," as men are by tits and ass. A balanced equation if > you ask me, and I'm not so much saying women are weak as I am saying > that all folks are weak in some way and that predators know how to > exploit these things. > > If anything, I think women are vastly superior to men in ways that I > really envy. OTOH, men have their niche advantages. Men and women, > thus, go together like peanuts and chocolate. > > And I reserve the right to be as wildly corrosive in my descriptions > of anyone here as I want to be -- call them projection if you like, > but I'm trying to encapsulate emotions, and the emotions just need big > words and phrases. > > Miss not my point, I am disgusted with Barry's glib disregard for > society when he of all people here has had the life experiences to > know the value of core morals. To express this, I've reached into my > magic word basket and pulled out phrases that are as offensive as his > "hit that" are to me. > > If he were in a bar next to me and said "hit that," I'm a man, and in > a man's world, men get to say that to each other, so I wouldn't start > a fist fight about it, but if he said it to me in church while looking > at a choirgirl, my anger would be instantly full blown. > > That's my sexist double standard, and I'm trying to fix that by > calling Barry -- AND ALL MEN -- to task about their marauding, > outlander, manipulative, conniving and denying ways. > > Edg > PS -- The "Judy boy toy" thing was due to your words that suggested > that you would take a lover 20 years your junior. I don't see you as > a predator on a regular basis though -- just willing to be one if you > "got lucky." Barry seems to work the crowd regularly. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > Some here have expressed skepticism when I have > > said that Barry is dishonest. > > > > Following is a clear-cut, utterly unambiguous > > example (from #151367): > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > Thirteen years ago, on another forum, someone > > > else developed the same kind of twisted fixation > > > on me, confusing me with all the things she hates > > > in herself but cannot accept or recognize in > > > herself. > > > > > > She has stalked me from forum to forum ever since > > > > Barry is, of course, referring to me. > > > > The first paragraph is Barry's *opinion*, even > > though he states it as if it were established > > fact. He's totally wrong, but he's entitled to > > hold wrong opinions. > > > > The dishonesty is in the next line: > > > > > She has stalked me from forum to forum ever since > > > > This is a lie in the narrowest sense of the > > term, in that Barry knows it isn't true. He > > has repeated it many times here and elsewhere. > > > > Here are the facts, of which Barry is very > > well aware: > > > > Barry and I have been on exactly three of the > > same groups: alt.meditation.transcendental, > > FairfieldLife, and Knapp's blog, TMFree. > > > > I encountered Barry for the first time on > > alt.m.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I say Barry is dishonest
Judy, You say Barry's a liar of significant degree. You're accusing him of mindfully trying to besmirch you, and that this agenda of his is undeserved by you. Even though this "personality has waged a ten year 'war'" on you, you choose to support and defend and assume that his other intents in life are not equally tainted by this dynamic. I think the concept of infinite self-reference applies here. Barry can't be so cruel towards you without it leaking out into his other actions. If he can so "coldly stalk" you hoping for the least chink to slam a wedge into, why can't he stalk a girl in a bar with an equally offensive intent? After he utters "hit that," you do not think that it is logical to call for a concern that he'll pursue a manipulative intent in a bar while talking to a 25 year old. Why? He's burned you not once, but hundreds of times, yet you'd trust his words here to be a correct description of his modus operandi in bars? "Hit that" tells any man in the real world that the speaker is out for objectified sex, yet you say Barry's not revealed any predatory intent and is, well, I guess, "trustable," and that we should take him at his word about his true motivations? You've taken the stance that girls of the world are too savvy to be tricked by him, and that I am off base thinking women are so easily targeted, and that I am being offensive to women to assert that they are at any risk. I do think women are as easily manipulated by "loving gestures," as men are by tits and ass. A balanced equation if you ask me, and I'm not so much saying women are weak as I am saying that all folks are weak in some way and that predators know how to exploit these things. If anything, I think women are vastly superior to men in ways that I really envy. OTOH, men have their niche advantages. Men and women, thus, go together like peanuts and chocolate. And I reserve the right to be as wildly corrosive in my descriptions of anyone here as I want to be -- call them projection if you like, but I'm trying to encapsulate emotions, and the emotions just need big words and phrases. Miss not my point, I am disgusted with Barry's glib disregard for society when he of all people here has had the life experiences to know the value of core morals. To express this, I've reached into my magic word basket and pulled out phrases that are as offensive as his "hit that" are to me. If he were in a bar next to me and said "hit that," I'm a man, and in a man's world, men get to say that to each other, so I wouldn't start a fist fight about it, but if he said it to me in church while looking at a choirgirl, my anger would be instantly full blown. That's my sexist double standard, and I'm trying to fix that by calling Barry -- AND ALL MEN -- to task about their marauding, outlander, manipulative, conniving and denying ways. Edg PS -- The "Judy boy toy" thing was due to your words that suggested that you would take a lover 20 years your junior. I don't see you as a predator on a regular basis though -- just willing to be one if you "got lucky." Barry seems to work the crowd regularly. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Some here have expressed skepticism when I have > said that Barry is dishonest. > > Following is a clear-cut, utterly unambiguous > example (from #151367): > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > Thirteen years ago, on another forum, someone > > else developed the same kind of twisted fixation > > on me, confusing me with all the things she hates > > in herself but cannot accept or recognize in > > herself. > > > > She has stalked me from forum to forum ever since > > Barry is, of course, referring to me. > > The first paragraph is Barry's *opinion*, even > though he states it as if it were established > fact. He's totally wrong, but he's entitled to > hold wrong opinions. > > The dishonesty is in the next line: > > > She has stalked me from forum to forum ever since > > This is a lie in the narrowest sense of the > term, in that Barry knows it isn't true. He > has repeated it many times here and elsewhere. > > Here are the facts, of which Barry is very > well aware: > > Barry and I have been on exactly three of the > same groups: alt.meditation.transcendental, > FairfieldLife, and Knapp's blog, TMFree. > > I encountered Barry for the first time on > alt.m.t, so obviously I couldn't have "stalked" > him there. > > I was a member of FairfieldLife before Barry > ever joined it. I didn't read it regularly > or post to it, however, until after Barry had > joined and *invited* everyone on alt.m.t to > participate in the discussions on FFL. > > "Stalking" can mean several different things. > One thing it does *not* mean is responding to > an invitation by the purported stalkee. > > And I was posting comments on TMFree shortly > after it went live, *well before* Barry had > posted anything there himself. If anything, > h
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I say Barry is dishonest
Judy, I think he's just pushing your buttons for entertainment. Nonetheless, for some mysterious reasons, there appears to be a mutual synergy between the two of you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Some here have expressed skepticism when I have > said that Barry is dishonest. > > Following is a clear-cut, utterly unambiguous > example (from #151367): > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > Thirteen years ago, on another forum, someone > > else developed the same kind of twisted fixation > > on me, confusing me with all the things she hates > > in herself but cannot accept or recognize in > > herself. > > > > She has stalked me from forum to forum ever since > > Barry is, of course, referring to me. > > The first paragraph is Barry's *opinion*, even > though he states it as if it were established > fact. He's totally wrong, but he's entitled to > hold wrong opinions. > > The dishonesty is in the next line: > > > She has stalked me from forum to forum ever since > > This is a lie in the narrowest sense of the > term, in that Barry knows it isn't true. He > has repeated it many times here and elsewhere. > > Here are the facts, of which Barry is very > well aware: > > Barry and I have been on exactly three of the > same groups: alt.meditation.transcendental, > FairfieldLife, and Knapp's blog, TMFree. > > I encountered Barry for the first time on > alt.m.t, so obviously I couldn't have "stalked" > him there. > > I was a member of FairfieldLife before Barry > ever joined it. I didn't read it regularly > or post to it, however, until after Barry had > joined and *invited* everyone on alt.m.t to > participate in the discussions on FFL. > > "Stalking" can mean several different things. > One thing it does *not* mean is responding to > an invitation by the purported stalkee. > > And I was posting comments on TMFree shortly > after it went live, *well before* Barry had > posted anything there himself. If anything, > he stalked *me* there. > > Again, Barry is very well aware of all these > facts. His claim that I have been "stalking > him from forum to forum" is a deliberate lie. > > This is not an isolated example; it's not some > kind of aberration. It's very far from the only > lie he's told, here and on alt.m.t and TMFree > (and goodness knows where else that I'm not > aware of), about me, and about others. But as I > say, it's an unambiguous example, and it's > something anyone can verify for themselves. > > Finally, just as a bonus, note the phrasing > "ever since," following Barry's claim about > what had happened 13 years ago. In fact, for > 11 of those years, until 2005 when I started > posting to FFL, alt.m.t was the *only* forum > Barry and I were on together. > > "Ever since" is therefore deliberately > deceptive, making it sound as though the > purported "stalking" has been going on for > 13 years. It's a lie on top of a lie. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I say Barry is dishonest
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > Some here have expressed skepticism when I have > > > said that Barry is dishonest. > > > > > > Following is a clear-cut, utterly unambiguous > > > example (from #151367): > > > I think anyone who reads Barry's posts regularly is > > aware as he said that he writes to unwind, for fun, > > on the spur of the moment, not to debate his writings. > > More like a blog than items for further discussion, > > and that is the spirit in which to read them. Try to > > call him on his stuff and it'll just drive you nuts. > > Sorry, but I don't believe deliberately slandering > people--telling lies about them--falls into the > category of "for fun." I agree. > And I didn't post this for discussion or debate, > but just to make a point and for future reference. Same here. > We certainly know that Barry does not want to be > held accountable for what he says; but that isn't > something he gets to decide. > So true.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I say Barry is dishonest
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > Some here have expressed skepticism when I have > > said that Barry is dishonest. > > > > Following is a clear-cut, utterly unambiguous > > example (from #151367): > I think anyone who reads Barry's posts regularly is > aware as he said that he writes to unwind, for fun, > on the spur of the moment, not to debate his writings. > More like a blog than items for further discussion, > and that is the spirit in which to read them. Try to > call him on his stuff and it'll just drive you nuts. Sorry, but I don't believe deliberately slandering people--telling lies about them--falls into the category of "for fun." And I didn't post this for discussion or debate, but just to make a point and for future reference. We certainly know that Barry does not want to be held accountable for what he says; but that isn't something he gets to decide.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I say Barry is dishonest
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Some here have expressed skepticism when I have > said that Barry is dishonest. > > Following is a clear-cut, utterly unambiguous > example (from #151367): > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > Thirteen years ago, on another forum, someone > > else developed the same kind of twisted fixation > > on me, confusing me with all the things she hates > > in herself but cannot accept or recognize in > > herself. > > > > She has stalked me from forum to forum ever since > > Barry is, of course, referring to me. > > The first paragraph is Barry's *opinion*, even > though he states it as if it were established > fact. He's totally wrong, but he's entitled to > hold wrong opinions. > > The dishonesty is in the next line: > > > She has stalked me from forum to forum ever since > > This is a lie in the narrowest sense of the > term, in that Barry knows it isn't true. He > has repeated it many times here and elsewhere. > > Here are the facts, of which Barry is very > well aware: > > Barry and I have been on exactly three of the > same groups: alt.meditation.transcendental, > FairfieldLife, and Knapp's blog, TMFree. > > I encountered Barry for the first time on > alt.m.t, so obviously I couldn't have "stalked" > him there. > > I was a member of FairfieldLife before Barry > ever joined it. I didn't read it regularly > or post to it, however, until after Barry had > joined and *invited* everyone on alt.m.t to > participate in the discussions on FFL. > > "Stalking" can mean several different things. > One thing it does *not* mean is responding to > an invitation by the purported stalkee. > > And I was posting comments on TMFree shortly > after it went live, *well before* Barry had > posted anything there himself. If anything, > he stalked *me* there. > > Again, Barry is very well aware of all these > facts. His claim that I have been "stalking > him from forum to forum" is a deliberate lie. > > This is not an isolated example; it's not some > kind of aberration. It's very far from the only > lie he's told, here and on alt.m.t and TMFree > (and goodness knows where else that I'm not > aware of), about me, and about others. But as I > say, it's an unambiguous example, and it's > something anyone can verify for themselves. > > Finally, just as a bonus, note the phrasing > "ever since," following Barry's claim about > what had happened 13 years ago. In fact, for > 11 of those years, until 2005 when I started > posting to FFL, alt.m.t was the *only* forum > Barry and I were on together. > > "Ever since" is therefore deliberately > deceptive, making it sound as though the > purported "stalking" has been going on for > 13 years. It's a lie on top of a lie. > I think anyone who reads Barry's posts regularly is aware as he said that he writes to unwind, for fun, on the spur of the moment, not to debate his writings. More like a blog than items for further discussion, and that is the spirit in which to read them. Try to call him on his stuff and it'll just drive you nuts.
