[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
The key to drilling is to build your partner's desire for your member such that drilling is not initiated by you, but by your partner. Oh Another dreamer and skeamer I see :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But, I laugh at the silly superstitious notion that it's bad woowoo to engage in sex outside the restraints of heterosexual marriage and procreation. Frankly, the idea that sex needs to be repressed and only expressed in religiously approved channels strikes me as a waking state spiritual preschool. Your comment is typical I think of many TM'ers who have been led to believe they don't need Religion and have adopted *TM in lieu of Religion*, this is unfortunate and not IMO what MMY had intended. Also it tends to dismiss Religion as somehow, 'beneath' you, instead of acknowledging that Religion is our outer guide in life and a valuable asset in nurturing spiritual development, but this is typical with TM'ers. As a result of this dismissive attitude towards Religion many TM'ers have become *morally lazy* and think TM is going to solve all of their problems, in timewell, MMY said in Fuiggi Italy, It could take a million years to reach CC unless you come to these courses, putting to rest the 5-8 year controversy. Why throw Religion under the Bus? It was compassionately given to us by our creator for our welfare..
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
BillyG, Your points regarding TM'ers' attitude about Religion have some degree of validity. Do you consider yourself an atypical TM'er. Please tell us about your personal religious journey, if you would. I would like to hear about your personal Religious practice, and whether you regularly practice TM, or not, etc. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: snip But, I laugh at the silly superstitious notion that it's bad woowoo to engage in sex outside the restraints of heterosexual marriage and procreation. Frankly, the idea that sex needs to be repressed and only expressed in religiously approved channels strikes me as a waking state spiritual preschool. Your comment is typical I think of many TM'ers who have been led to believe they don't need Religion and have adopted *TM in lieu of Religion*, this is unfortunate and not IMO what MMY had intended. Also it tends to dismiss Religion as somehow, 'beneath' you, instead of acknowledging that Religion is our outer guide in life and a valuable asset in nurturing spiritual development, but this is typical with TM'ers. As a result of this dismissive attitude towards Religion many TM'ers have become *morally lazy* and think TM is going to solve all of their problems, in timewell, MMY said in Fuiggi Italy, It could take a million years to reach CC unless you come to these courses, putting to rest the 5-8 year controversy. Why throw Religion under the Bus? It was compassionately given to us by our creator for our welfare..
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: snip But, I laugh at the silly superstitious notion that it's bad woowoo to engage in sex outside the restraints of heterosexual marriage and procreation. Frankly, the idea that sex needs to be repressed and only expressed in religiously approved channels strikes me as a waking state spiritual preschool. Your comment is typical I think of many TM'ers who have been led to believe they don't need Religion and have adopted *TM in lieu of Religion*, this is unfortunate and not IMO what MMY had intended. My recollection is that MMY recommended that people stick with the religion of their upbringing. Thanks to my atheist parents, that is no religion at all. Also it tends to dismiss Religion as somehow, 'beneath' you, instead of acknowledging that Religion is our outer guide in life and a valuable asset in nurturing spiritual development, but this is typical with TM'ers. I've been told that I've done the monastic religious thing for many lifetimes already. Apparently, this time around, it was time to wake up. And, if I were supposed to find sexual satisfaction in heterosexual marriage and procreation, I'd have been a heterosexual with the desire for children. Trying to be a heterosexual was an exercise in extreme sexual frustration, although it did have the pleasant side-effect of shielding me from the AIDS epidemic. Considering that I'm smart enough to not get strung out on meth and stick my ass up in the air in a gay bathhouse, I don't need mental bondage to religious constructs in order to conduct my outer life responsibly and sanely. As a result of this dismissive attitude towards Religion many TM'ers have become *morally lazy* There's at least one of them who had moral values instilled by his loving and decent atheist parents. Religion does not have a monopoly on morality. Why throw Religion under the Bus? When it is yielded as a weapon by pompous asshole church ladies, it needs to be put in its proper perspective. It was compassionately given to us by our creator for our welfare.. As was atheism.
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
Alex Stanley wrote: Trying to be a heterosexual was an exercise in extreme sexual frustration, although it did have the pleasant side-effect of shielding me from the AIDS epidemic. You're going to have to work it out by yourself, Alex, I already told you I'm not gay, even if you don't have AIDS yet! I'm sorry you're in such sexual frustration - why not try TM for awhile? It seemed to work for your brother, the TM Raja!
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BillyG, Your points regarding TM'ers' attitude about Religion have some degree of validity. Do you consider yourself an atypical TM'er. Please tell us about your personal religious journey, if you would. I would like to hear about your personal Religious practice, and whether you regularly practice TM, or not, etc. Gladly, yes, I started TM when I was 16 and I was a 'typical' TM'er, morally lazy and waiting for TM to kick in, when I turned 55 I wised up and realized at this rate it ain't gonna 'kick in', at least before I die. That's when I started using will power and praying as recommended by various Spiritual teachers and Swami Yogananda in particular. I have been completely celibate now with no sex fantasies for 18 months. My objective was and still is to improve and strengthen my moral character, I have! I still practice TM, over 40 years now and credit it with giving me the experience of pure bliss enabling me to have faith and conviction (an essential ingredient) that we are, indeed made in the image of God and have by virtue of that relationship complete freewill and power to change our lives for the better. However, if I had not been taught these principles and encouraged to take control of my life I would not have acted upon those profound words of knowledge from Swami Paramahansa Yogananda quoting Christ. So you see, Religion, which promotes moral and ethical living is an invaluable tool for you and I and an essential ingredient for our youth which will form our future generations. TM is not being taught as a Religion, so how could it fulfill the principles of Religion? It takes grace (transcendence) and effort (will power) to reclaim your spiritual identity, IMO, thanks for asking! Perhaps now you could say I am an 'atypical' TM'er as I actually practice some form of Religion. P.S. I use myself as an example, but I know of other TM'er who are still morally lazy and think TM is going to solve all of their problems and 'effort' isn't necessary. I think that is a mis-understanding of MMY's teachings if you read closely, though, he could have been clearer! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: snip But, I laugh at the silly superstitious notion that it's bad woowoo to engage in sex outside the restraints of heterosexual marriage and procreation. Frankly, the idea that sex needs to be repressed and only expressed in religiously approved channels strikes me as a waking state spiritual preschool. Your comment is typical I think of many TM'ers who have been led to believe they don't need Religion and have adopted *TM in lieu of Religion*, this is unfortunate and not IMO what MMY had intended. Also it tends to dismiss Religion as somehow, 'beneath' you, instead of acknowledging that Religion is our outer guide in life and a valuable asset in nurturing spiritual development, but this is typical with TM'ers. As a result of this dismissive attitude towards Religion many TM'ers have become *morally lazy* and think TM is going to solve all of their problems, in timewell, MMY said in Fuiggi Italy, It could take a million years to reach CC unless you come to these courses, putting to rest the 5-8 year controversy. Why throw Religion under the Bus? It was compassionately given to us by our creator for our welfare..
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My recollection is that MMY recommended that people stick with the religion of their upbringing. Thanks to my atheist parents, that is no religion at all. Wellyou make my point!
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: My recollection is that MMY recommended that people stick with the religion of their upbringing. Thanks to my atheist parents, that is no religion at all. Wellyou make my point! Your only point is that you think *everyone* needs to embrace a fundamentalist, spiritual preschool of cookie-cutter, one-size-fits-all religious dogma. I don't doubt that that is what *you* personally need at this stage of your evolution. What's annoying is that you're projecting that need on to the rest of us.
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Hey Billy, You have been posting some really though provoking stuff lately and I want to pause in my disagreeing with almost everything you are saying, to thank you for it. Especially the last post which was revealing and exposed you to dips like me who had to stop himself from using it as launching pad for my nonsense humor. Instead I'll ask a few questions to understand you better if you care to respond. (nonsense humor will be minimized but no claims of complete abstinence, are being made here.) What gave you the idea that celibacy was good? Did you ever hang out on one of Maharishi's all male courses? Do you believe that sex between two unmarried people who love each other is immoral? What if they really, really love each other, but only for a very short period of time? How long do you have to be in love for sex not to be immoral. Is sex only for making children or is it OK to use it to become closer to someone emotionally. Say someone you just met that night but are catching a really great vibe from? Do you agree with all religions? Are they all valid? Did God give us Rastafarianism? How about those offshoots of the Mormons with multiple wives, was Joseph Smith really a prophet of God? This is going to sound like I'm joking but how about WICCA. Or (and I know this is different from WICCA) Satan worship? What about Kali worship? I'm just trying to figure out where you are drawing your lines. Do you believe that the Bible is revealed scripture? That it is all true? How about the Vedic literature, is it really true that killing a woman is karmically similar to killing an insect? (Laws of Manu) Inquiring minds want to know! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: BillyG, Your points regarding TM'ers' attitude about Religion have some degree of validity. Do you consider yourself an atypical TM'er. Please tell us about your personal religious journey, if you would. I would like to hear about your personal Religious practice, and whether you regularly practice TM, or not, etc. Gladly, yes, I started TM when I was 16 and I was a 'typical' TM'er, morally lazy and waiting for TM to kick in, when I turned 55 I wised up and realized at this rate it ain't gonna 'kick in', at least before I die. That's when I started using will power and praying as recommended by various Spiritual teachers and Swami Yogananda in particular. I have been completely celibate now with no sex fantasies for 18 months. My objective was and still is to improve and strengthen my moral character, I have! I still practice TM, over 40 years now and credit it with giving me the experience of pure bliss enabling me to have faith and conviction (an essential ingredient) that we are, indeed made in the image of God and have by virtue of that relationship complete freewill and power to change our lives for the better. However, if I had not been taught these principles and encouraged to take control of my life I would not have acted upon those profound words of knowledge from Swami Paramahansa Yogananda quoting Christ. So you see, Religion, which promotes moral and ethical living is an invaluable tool for you and I and an essential ingredient for our youth which will form our future generations. TM is not being taught as a Religion, so how could it fulfill the principles of Religion? It takes grace (transcendence) and effort (will power) to reclaim your spiritual identity, IMO, thanks for asking! Perhaps now you could say I am an 'atypical' TM'er as I actually practice some form of Religion. P.S. I use myself as an example, but I know of other TM'er who are still morally lazy and think TM is going to solve all of their problems and 'effort' isn't necessary. I think that is a mis-understanding of MMY's teachings if you read closely, though, he could have been clearer! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: snip But, I laugh at the silly superstitious notion that it's bad woowoo to engage in sex outside the restraints of heterosexual marriage and procreation. Frankly, the idea that sex needs to be repressed and only expressed in religiously approved channels strikes me as a waking state spiritual preschool. Your comment is typical I think of many TM'ers who have been led to believe they don't need Religion and have adopted *TM in lieu of Religion*, this is unfortunate and not IMO what MMY had intended. Also it tends to dismiss Religion as somehow, 'beneath' you, instead of acknowledging that Religion is our outer guide in life and a valuable asset in nurturing spiritual development, but this is typical with TM'ers. As a result of this dismissive attitude towards
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Billy, snip What gave you the idea that celibacy was good? ahh, Colonel Sanders! Did you ever hang out on one of Maharishi's all male courses? You mean in the bathroom? No!! Do you believe that sex between two unmarried people who love each other is immoral? Only on Sunday mornings. What if they really, really love each other, but only for a very short period of time? Jesus will forgive them. How long do you have to be in love for sex not to be immoral. Three days, two hours and 5 minutes! Is sex only for making children or is it OK to use it to become closer to someone emotionally. As long as condoms are used. Say someone you just met that night but are catching a really great vibe from? See Doctor in the morning. Do you agree with all religions? Yes, Are they all valid? Well, yes AND no. Did God give us Rastafarianism? I think it was Pee Wee Herman. How about those offshoots of the Mormons with multiple wives, was Joseph Smith really a prophet of God? No, his wife, er, his wives were. This is going to sound like I'm joking but how about WICCA. Or (and I know this is different from WICCA) Satan worship? What about Kali worship? What about Kali worship? I'm just trying to figure out where you are drawing your lines. In the sand. Do you believe that the Bible is revealed scripture? Yes That it is all true? Yes, well, the part that is true, is true! How about the Vedic literature, is it really true that killing a woman is karmically similar to killing an insect? (Laws of Manu) Manu who? Inquiring minds want to know! You're welcome, I answered all of your questions! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Hey Billy, snip What gave you the idea that celibacy was good? ahh, Colonel Sanders! Here I know you are lying. Colonel Sanders was one of the most famous chicken chokers of our time. Did you ever hang out on one of Maharishi's all male courses? You mean in the bathroom? No!! Oh the old potty humor diversion...revealing... Do you believe that sex between two unmarried people who love each other is immoral? Only on Sunday mornings. What if they really, really love each other, but only for a very short period of time? Jesus will forgive them. How long do you have to be in love for sex not to be immoral. Three days, two hours and 5 minutes! That matches most modern dating patterns, one meet and greet at Starbucks, one lunch at a chain restaurant, and then the money date, dinner and back to her place. Is sex only for making children or is it OK to use it to become closer to someone emotionally. As long as condoms are used. Your diversion is not working. Say someone you just met that night but are catching a really great vibe from? See Doctor in the morning. Do you agree with all religions? Yes, Are they all valid? Well, yes AND no. Snip the dodge and weave routine You're welcome, I answered all of your questions! :-) Well I gave you a chance to. Your responses did tell me all I need to know. Did God give us Rastafarianism? I think it was Pee Wee Herman. How about those offshoots of the Mormons with multiple wives, was Joseph Smith really a prophet of God? No, his wife, er, his wives were. This is going to sound like I'm joking but how about WICCA. Or (and I know this is different from WICCA) Satan worship? What about Kali worship? What about Kali worship? I'm just trying to figure out where you are drawing your lines. In the sand. Do you believe that the Bible is revealed scripture? Yes That it is all true? Yes, well, the part that is true, is true! How about the Vedic literature, is it really true that killing a woman is karmically similar to killing an insect? (Laws of Manu) Manu who? Inquiring minds want to know! You're welcome, I answered all of your questions! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
Excellent Billy G. May I suggest that you are still in the honeymoon phase of your transformation, with some big challenges ahead. And I respect the will power part whether it is directed to sexual abstinence or any other goal one may have. I also like the spiritual prayer part, although at least for me, it has been some time since I practiced that. And I think you may discover some interesting side paths moving in this direction if you keep an open heart, and open mind, and avoid the dogmas which tend to creep up. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: BillyG, Your points regarding TM'ers' attitude about Religion have some degree of validity. Do you consider yourself an atypical TM'er. Please tell us about your personal religious journey, if you would. I would like to hear about your personal Religious practice, and whether you regularly practice TM, or not, etc. Gladly, yes, I started TM when I was 16 and I was a 'typical' TM'er, morally lazy and waiting for TM to kick in, when I turned 55 I wised up and realized at this rate it ain't gonna 'kick in', at least before I die. That's when I started using will power and praying as recommended by various Spiritual teachers and Swami Yogananda in particular. I have been completely celibate now with no sex fantasies for 18 months. My objective was and still is to improve and strengthen my moral character, I have! I still practice TM, over 40 years now and credit it with giving me the experience of pure bliss enabling me to have faith and conviction (an essential ingredient) that we are, indeed made in the image of God and have by virtue of that relationship complete freewill and power to change our lives for the better. However, if I had not been taught these principles and encouraged to take control of my life I would not have acted upon those profound words of knowledge from Swami Paramahansa Yogananda quoting Christ. So you see, Religion, which promotes moral and ethical living is an invaluable tool for you and I and an essential ingredient for our youth which will form our future generations. TM is not being taught as a Religion, so how could it fulfill the principles of Religion? It takes grace (transcendence) and effort (will power) to reclaim your spiritual identity, IMO, thanks for asking! Perhaps now you could say I am an 'atypical' TM'er as I actually practice some form of Religion. P.S. I use myself as an example, but I know of other TM'er who are still morally lazy and think TM is going to solve all of their problems and 'effort' isn't necessary. I think that is a mis-understanding of MMY's teachings if you read closely, though, he could have been clearer! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: snip But, I laugh at the silly superstitious notion that it's bad woowoo to engage in sex outside the restraints of heterosexual marriage and procreation. Frankly, the idea that sex needs to be repressed and only expressed in religiously approved channels strikes me as a waking state spiritual preschool. Your comment is typical I think of many TM'ers who have been led to believe they don't need Religion and have adopted *TM in lieu of Religion*, this is unfortunate and not IMO what MMY had intended. Also it tends to dismiss Religion as somehow, 'beneath' you, instead of acknowledging that Religion is our outer guide in life and a valuable asset in nurturing spiritual development, but this is typical with TM'ers. As a result of this dismissive attitude towards Religion many TM'ers have become *morally lazy* and think TM is going to solve all of their problems, in timewell, MMY said in Fuiggi Italy, It could take a million years to reach CC unless you come to these courses, putting to rest the 5-8 year controversy. Why throw Religion under the Bus? It was compassionately given to us by our creator for our welfare..
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I gave you a chance to. Your responses did tell me all I need to know. Yea, pretty lame. And I thought bramacharya strengthened the intellect. Did God give us Rastafarianism? I think it was Pee Wee Herman. How about those offshoots of the Mormons with multiple wives, was Joseph Smith really a prophet of God? No, his wife, er, his wives were. This is going to sound like I'm joking but how about WICCA. Or (and I know this is different from WICCA) Satan worship? What about Kali worship? What about Kali worship? I'm just trying to figure out where you are drawing your lines. In the sand. Do you believe that the Bible is revealed scripture? Yes That it is all true? Yes, well, the part that is true, is true! How about the Vedic literature, is it really true that killing a woman is karmically similar to killing an insect? (Laws of Manu) Manu who? Inquiring minds want to know! You're welcome, I answered all of your questions! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent Billy G. May I suggest that you are still in the honeymoon phase of your transformation, with some big challenges ahead. And I respect the will power part whether it is directed to sexual abstinence or any other goal one may have. I also like the spiritual prayer part, although at least for me, it has been some time since I practiced that. And I think you may discover some interesting side paths moving in this direction if you keep an open heart, and open mind, and avoid the dogmas which tend to creep up. Thank you, Each problem that waits for a solution at your hand is a religious duty imposed upon you by life itself. S.Y. Helens Lutes use to say to me, now go and keep your nose clean, I think I know what she means now that I'm actually taking her advice! I'm glad you respect this inherent power called *free will*, when we take the easy way of life and roll downhill we get in trouble, when we exercise our 'free will power' we conform our lives to the laws of nature and really begin to know the joy of true Religion! Something, not available only to sincere Christians, but sincere truth seeking souls practicing TM too! :-)
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well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off..I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up.Instead of saying drill and hole we will say I am the Shiva and she is the Shakti or how about the yin and the yang...drill and hole is ok though :-)I like the idea of drilling a heart and mind as well as the body with sat chit ananda..Peace my friend Alan Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? snip I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey Im an old t.m meditator single divorced in Oregon What better to place to just put it out here than this. I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-) Hey Im serious ..this isnt a joke.I have been meditating twice a day since june 7 ,1976 and am also a t.m sidha... I think you're missing sort of the point of Personals ads. You're supposed to post the *good* stuff about yourself. :-) Just kidding. Good luck.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never mentioned anything about gratitous sex but a mutual and recipricol relationship with a base of meditation practice..pure consciousness and the desire to evolve along with a companion in the same boat. You might try the Yahoo sailing groups if it's important to you to do it in a boat. Last I checked there were a couple of meditating cuties on one of those forums who liked to do it in canoes. :-) Again, just kidding, and again, good luck. Your post was a breath of fresh air and honesty after some of the uptight, posturing rants of guys who could never get laid, and reacted by trying to turn that into some kind of virtue.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: I never mentioned anything about gratitous sex but a mutual and recipricol relationship with a base of meditation practice..pure consciousness and the desire to evolve along with a companion in the same boat. You might try the Yahoo sailing groups if it's important to you to do it in a boat. Last I checked there were a couple of meditating cuties on one of those forums who liked to do it in canoes. :-) Again, just kidding, and again, good luck. Your post was a breath of fresh air and honesty after some of the uptight, posturing rants of guys who could never get laid, and reacted by trying to turn that into some kind of virtue. Turq knows where to get the good holes, er ho's for drilling, trust me, Turq knows what he's talking about! :-)
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Alan, try lingam and yoni, much more in tune with natural law ;-) --- On Tue, 8/5/08, alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 2:22 AM well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off..I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up.Instead of saying drill and hole we will say I am the Shiva and she is the Shakti or how about the yin and the yang...drill and hole is ok though :-)I like the idea of drilling a heart and mind as well as the body with sat chit ananda..Peace my friend Alan Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? snip I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: Unfortunately, I think this gentleman typifies the moral character of many TM meditators. Since MMY never taught morality and ethics, and many if not most TM'ers adopted TM, *in lieu of Religion*, this is what you get! Evidently Billy believes such issues should be kept firmly in the closet. For shame, for openly expressing one's desire for sexual gratification. BIlly, maybe you typlify the moral character of many meditators-a certain denial of sexual urges. It's not that one should deny sexual urges, but control them! Self restraint is one the virtues Patanjali himself recommends and MMY too! If you want to get serious about spirituality the value of Brahmacharya is a valuable asset in your quest for self realization. We are free to choose as we will, and pay the price for our choices, as MMY often said quoting Christ, As ye sow, so shall ye reap. At the end of everybody's life comes the judgment as to how you will be spending the interim between lives. Will you be consumed with lust, anger or greed? You decide..
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--- On Tue, 8/5/08, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 12:15 AM Unfortunately, I think this gentleman typifies the moral character of many TM meditators. Since MMY never taught morality and ethics, and many if not most TM'ers adopted TM, *in lieu of Religion*, this is what you get! Character and spiritual development go hand in hand, in case you haven't heard. Maybe if he concentrated on his meditation he wouldn't need gratuitous sex, as this is what it sounds like...sad. :-( Are you gunning for the little old lady of the year award? Did any of your religious ethics guides mention that being judgmental sucks? The dude said he was regular in meditation, what exactly would it mean if he concentrated on his meditation? Did meditation take away your sex drive? And no one is fooled about your being actually sad about people having gratuitous sex whatever that means. I'll bet you love the superiority buzz of judging him, just as I do judging you. It makes us feel special. The guy is communicating that he isn't dead yet or a TM celibate drone, he wants 200% of his woman and I'm with Pete, he is taking a direct approach. I only hope that the most interesting thing about him is not that he meditated regularly for a long time. I am not fooled by your use of the term morality, you mean prudery. There was nothing immoral in his desire to connect with a person on all levels of life, he mentioned meditating with her first. (personally I would have gone with hot oil massage but to each his own) I guess in the same way that his direct request hit your buttons, your judgment of him hit mine Billy. Prudishness is not virtuousness IMO. It is a scourge on relationships and I have seen it destroy more than a few movement ones. By now any of us adults should be comfortable with the gift of boning. I prefer it in a committed relationship, but I am not confused that this is more than just my preference. But shaming someone looking for a little love in their world seems like a pretty sour, cynical take on life to me. Very tea doillies and dried flowers with arsenic laced in the powdered sugar on the Pfefferneusse cookies. Kinda creepy. Ouch! First round to Curtis! I agree with Curtis here, Billy. There's absolutely nothing wrong with sex. Maybe Alan could be a little smoother, but so what, he wants to be in a sexual relationship with someone. I wish him all the luck in the world. Reminds me a little of the old Taxi series on TV. Louie DePalma (Danny Devito's character) said that he always asked attractive women if they'd like to go to his apartment and have drinks and sex. When asked if it worked he said not yet because most women slapped him in the face, but there's always a chance! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey Alan, I like your simple straight ahead approach. Good luck! --- On Mon, 8/4/08, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: From: alan alan.kuntz@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] looking for a t.m meditator companion To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:03 PM hey Im an old t.m meditator single divorced in Oregon What better to place to just put it out here than this. I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-) Hey Im serious ..this isnt a joke.I have been meditating twice a day since june 7 ,1976 and am also a t.m sidha... Take it as it comes Maharishi saith and if it doesnt come go out and get it and if it doesnt exist create it and so here is my attempt at getting this wish fulfilled in the relative.I hope this offends no one. Integrally and spiritually yours truly, Alan Unfortunately, I think this gentleman typifies the moral character of many TM meditators. Since MMY never taught morality and ethics, and many if not most TM'ers adopted TM, *in lieu of Religion*, this is what you get! Character and spiritual development go hand in hand, in case you haven't heard. Maybe if he concentrated on his meditation he wouldn't need gratuitous sex, as this is what it sounds like...sad. :-( To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ouch! First round to Curtis! I agree with Curtis here, Billy. There's absolutely nothing wrong with sex. Nobody said there was, that's where babies come from! However, anything out of the context for which it was intended is a misuse of that power. When you misuse something it becomes sinful which leads to suffering; the laws of nature are here to protect us and provide us with guidance in our sojourn on earth. Religion is our friend, not our enemy. snip
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I hope you don't work with young children.. seriously. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: Unfortunately, I think this gentleman typifies the moral character of many TM meditators. Since MMY never taught morality and ethics, and many if not most TM'ers adopted TM, *in lieu of Religion*, this is what you get! Evidently Billy believes such issues should be kept firmly in the closet. For shame, for openly expressing one's desire for sexual gratification. BIlly, maybe you typlify the moral character of many meditators-a certain denial of sexual urges. It's not that one should deny sexual urges, but control them! Self restraint is one the virtues Patanjali himself recommends and MMY too! If you want to get serious about spirituality the value of Brahmacharya is a valuable asset in your quest for self realization. We are free to choose as we will, and pay the price for our choices, as MMY often said quoting Christ, As ye sow, so shall ye reap. At the end of everybody's life comes the judgment as to how you will be spending the interim between lives. Will you be consumed with lust, anger or greed? You decide..
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Hi Billy, I know you think you are espousing a traditional, common sense approach to sexuality. One backed up by eastern, or at least popular Indian schools. But sexuality as an approach to spiritual development is also a legitimate path, if a less common one. I think you need to recognize that this is a highly individual decision, and understand that each soul knows what they need for their progress. You may think that this simply willy nilly sexual indulgence. It's not. And that may be hard for you to get your head around. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: Unfortunately, I think this gentleman typifies the moral character of many TM meditators. Since MMY never taught morality and ethics, and many if not most TM'ers adopted TM, *in lieu of Religion*, this is what you get! Evidently Billy believes such issues should be kept firmly in the closet. For shame, for openly expressing one's desire for sexual gratification. BIlly, maybe you typlify the moral character of many meditators-a certain denial of sexual urges. It's not that one should deny sexual urges, but control them! Self restraint is one the virtues Patanjali himself recommends and MMY too! If you want to get serious about spirituality the value of Brahmacharya is a valuable asset in your quest for self realization. We are free to choose as we will, and pay the price for our choices, as MMY often said quoting Christ, As ye sow, so shall ye reap. At the end of everybody's life comes the judgment as to how you will be spending the interim between lives. Will you be consumed with lust, anger or greed? You decide..
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not that one should deny sexual urges, but control them! Self restraint is one the virtues Patanjali himself recommends and MMY too! If you want to get serious about spirituality the value of Brahmacharya is a valuable asset in your quest for self realization. We are free to choose as we will, and pay the price for our choices, as MMY often said quoting Christ, As ye sow, so shall ye reap. At the end of everybody's life comes the judgment as to how you will be spending the interim between lives. Will you be consumed with lust, anger or greed? You decide.. Conversation between two butt-ugly scary creatures in the Bardo: Org: Oh, no! Here comes another one of them? Borg: Another one of what? Org: One of those pompous Brahmacharya types. You know, the ones who spent their entire lives being uptight about and rejecting all of the good things in creation, and thought they were being serious about spirituality BY being uptight and afraid of pleasure. Borg: Well duh, Org. Look at your job description. That's the only souls we EVER get to work with. The ones who enjoyed what the world put in their path and tried their best not to hurt other people don't ever come to our section of the Bardo. They have a smooth transition between death and rebirth, don't interface with any of us gnarly types, and have a smooth ride to a higher incarnation. It's only the retards that we get to work with for a while before we send them back to the lower planes. Org: But it's how OFTEN we have to send them back that bugs me. You'd think that after a few times around the Bardo, being shown clearly that reject- ing sex and relationships was equivalent to reject- ing life itself, that they'd catch a clue and stop doing it. But No...they just keep doing it, lifetime after lifetime, and we have to deal with the *same* retards between every life, over and over. Borg: Yeah, that gets me down sometimes, too. I mean, the ONLY thing we do here is show them the manifestations of their own ugly minds and their own ugly fears. It's not like we *invent* tortures or anything. THEY invent the tortures themselves; they're the things they were afraid of in life. And they never seem to get it. Org: Tell me about it. Take that Patanjali dude. We've had to send him back *thousands* of times now, and he's *never* gotten the point. Borg: And it's not only him but his *followers*. In *every* life he does the same thing, and con- vinces a whole new set of seekers that the way to what they call self realization is achieved by rejecting whatever the self finds pleasurable. Org: Oh well...let's get to it. Time to trot out the Reflection Of Consciousness Machine, and allow this guy to deal with his own fears and ugly thoughts for a while. Chances are he'll interpret them as some kind of judgment for having thought about sex a few times in his life. laughs Borg: also laughs Yeah, isn't that the kicker? He'll spend his entire trip through the Bardo thinking that his sins were thinking about sex, when the reality is that his sins were in reject- ing sex, and thus rejecting an important aspect of the wonder of creation. Org and Borg go to work, and in the background we hear the screams of an uptight soul being tortured by being exposed after death to all of the pleasure he avoided in life.
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I never mentioned anything about gratitous sex but a mutual and recipricol relationship with a base of meditation practice..pure consciousness and the desire to evolve along with a companion in the same boat. I could have colored my stuff with a little more romance and decency or culture.Its not meant for those who can't handle simplicity and honesty but its meant for those who understand simple as that. Judy wrote: Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? Most of the men here seem to think that good sex consists of mere drilling, with an occasional ball gag, but it is laughable to think that some informers actually seem to think they're practicing tantric yoga'. One male respondent who likes to post here even believed that he had had sex with God, Herself. But apparently, most women don't even get off on thrusting. LOL! snip I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan, try lingam and yoni, much more in tune with natural law ;-) sez Peter, not getting it --- On Tue, 8/5/08, alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 2:22 AM well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off..I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up.Instead of saying drill and hole we will say I am the Shiva and she is the Shakti or how about the yin and the yang...drill and hole is ok though :-)I like the idea of drilling a heart and mind as well as the body with sat chit ananda..Peace my friend Alan Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? snip I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Ouch! First round to Curtis! I agree with Curtis here, Billy. There's absolutely nothing wrong with sex. Maybe Alan could be a little smoother, but so what, he wants to be in a sexual relationship with someone. I wish him all the luck in the world. Reminds me a little of the old Taxi series on TV. Louie DePalma (Danny Devito's character) said that he always asked attractive women if they'd like to go to his apartment and have drinks and sex. When asked if it worked he said not yet because most women slapped him in the face, but there's always a chance! What's really amusing about all this is how negatively everybody reacted to the story about Bevan asking a woman to come to his office and asking her if she'd be willing to have sex with him.
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mainstream wrote: I'll try Viagra or Cialis before having to give it up, thank you. Well, I hope at least you're wearing a rubber!
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Peter wrote: Alan, try lingam and yoni, much more in tune with natural law ;-) Doctor Pete, the real 'Love Guru'! LOL! Mike Myers in 'The Love Guru'The Love Guru didn't bomb because of Justin Timberlake. It didn't bomb because Mike Myers waited too long after the last installment of Austin Powers to become one with the cultural zeitgeist. It didn't bomb because Hindu fundamentalists raised a stink over the film's usage of sacred terms. Read more: 'Why Did `The Love Guru' Bomb?' We Ask The Guru Himself, Deepak Chopra By Jennifer Vineyard MTV Movie Blog, Monday, August 4, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/6d6jrj
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TurquoiseB wrote: You might try the Yahoo sailing groups if it's important to you to do it in a boat. Last I checked there were a couple of meditating cuties on one of those forums who liked to do it in canoes. :-) Again, just kidding, and again, good luck. Your post was a breath of fresh air and honesty after some of the uptight, posturing rants of guys who could never get laid, and reacted by trying to turn that into some kind of virtue. So, last night you went to another Spanish bar. :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy wrote: Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? Most of the men here seem to think that good sex consists of mere drilling, with an occasional ball gag, but it is laughable to think that some informers actually seem to think they're practicing tantric yoga'. Good one Willytexright, they're practicing tantric sex, ha, ha!
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mainstream wrote: I hope you don't work with young children... seriously. Hello! You're especially not supposed to be having tantric sexual relations with children...seriously! BillyG wrote: You decide.. If you try to defend these people, aren't you somehow guilty by associating yourself with reprobates? Read more: 'Where is the ACLU?' Posted by Katie Allison Granju: http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/22/where-is-the-aclu/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off.. I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up. It isn't a matter of lightening up or helping them. It's a matter of how a woman is likely to perceive a man who refers to having sex as drilling, because of what it says about how he perceives sex: it's something he *does to* the woman, not something they do together, not something they share. And there's also a rather ugly undertone of violence involved. There are probably some women who prefer that approach, who enjoy being the hole a man does his business in. I and most women I know would find it offputting. And that may not, in fact, be your attitude; you may just have chosen your words poorly. But that's all I'm pointing out: it's a poor choice of words if words (especially written words) are the medium through which you're making your initial appeal. In any case, best of luck to you. I hope you find what you're looking for. Instead of saying drill and hole we will say I am the Shiva and she is the Shakti or how about the yin and the yang...drill and hole is ok though :-)I like the idea of drilling a heart and mind as well as the body with sat chit ananda..Peace my friend Alan Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? snip I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-)
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What's really amusing about all this is how negatively everybody reacted to the story about Bevan asking a woman to come to his office and asking her if she'd be willing to have sex with him. Power balance. If you have ever been on a course with Bevan, you would know that he can get you tossed off with a blink of his eye. In his domain he has great power over the women who enters his office. Plus he hit on married ladies in the community Maharishi asked him to build. Not very community minded IMO. Now if Bevan wants to put up a personal ad here for a woman who would like to join him in a meditation, and then a little dinner, and then a little room service, and then a couple of veggie lovers pizzas without the onion and mushrooms, and then some cokes and bags of chips from the mini bar... He'll get no shit from me. At least not for the ad. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: snip Ouch! First round to Curtis! I agree with Curtis here, Billy. There's absolutely nothing wrong with sex. Maybe Alan could be a little smoother, but so what, he wants to be in a sexual relationship with someone. I wish him all the luck in the world. Reminds me a little of the old Taxi series on TV. Louie DePalma (Danny Devito's character) said that he always asked attractive women if they'd like to go to his apartment and have drinks and sex. When asked if it worked he said not yet because most women slapped him in the face, but there's always a chance! What's really amusing about all this is how negatively everybody reacted to the story about Bevan asking a woman to come to his office and asking her if she'd be willing to have sex with him.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's really amusing about all this is how negatively everybody reacted to the story about Bevan asking a woman to come to his office and asking her if she'd be willing to have sex with him. Power balance. If you have ever been on a course with Bevan, you would know that he can get you tossed off with a blink of his eye. In his domain he has great power over the women who enters his office. Yeah, I raised that very point, but apparently there were no repercussions for this woman. Plus he hit on married ladies in the community Maharishi asked him to build. Not very community minded IMO. Different issue entirely, for one thing. For another, this particular tactic of the straightforward proposition may have been in lieu of hitting on married women, for all we know--maybe he realized it wasn't the thing to do, and this seemed like a more honorable alternative. What people here didn't like was the *straightforwardness* of Bevan's proposition. But that's exactly what they *do* like about Alan's. Now if Bevan wants to put up a personal ad here for a woman who would like to join him in a meditation, and then a little dinner, and then a little room service, and then a couple of veggie lovers pizzas without the onion and mushrooms, and then some cokes and bags of chips from the mini bar... He'll get no shit from me. At least not for the ad. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: snip Ouch! First round to Curtis! I agree with Curtis here, Billy. There's absolutely nothing wrong with sex. Maybe Alan could be a little smoother, but so what, he wants to be in a sexual relationship with someone. I wish him all the luck in the world. Reminds me a little of the old Taxi series on TV. Louie DePalma (Danny Devito's character) said that he always asked attractive women if they'd like to go to his apartment and have drinks and sex. When asked if it worked he said not yet because most women slapped him in the face, but there's always a chance! What's really amusing about all this is how negatively everybody reacted to the story about Bevan asking a woman to come to his office and asking her if she'd be willing to have sex with him.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: What's really amusing about all this is how negatively everybody reacted to the story about Bevan asking a woman to come to his office and asking her if she'd be willing to have sex with him. Power balance. If you have ever been on a course with Bevan, you would know that he can get you tossed off with a blink of his eye. In his domain he has great power over the women who enters his office. Yeah, I raised that very point, but apparently there were no repercussions for this woman. Plus he hit on married ladies in the community Maharishi asked him to build. Not very community minded IMO. Different issue entirely, for one thing. For another, this particular tactic of the straightforward proposition may have been in lieu of hitting on married women, for all we know--maybe he realized it wasn't the thing to do, and this seemed like a more honorable alternative. What people here didn't like was the *straightforwardness* of Bevan's proposition. But that's exactly what they *do* like about Alan's. Immediately after hitting Send, I realized what was wrong with my point: Alan explicitly said he was looking for spiritual/sexual companionship, but that's exactly what was missing from Bevan's proposition-- he said (according to Ken) that the reason he was taking this approach was because he didn't have time to form relationships. So I take it all back!
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On Aug 5, 2008, at 9:00 AM, authfriend wrote: What's really amusing about all this is how negatively everybody reacted to the story about Bevan asking a woman to come to his office and asking her if she'd be willing to have sex with him. Everybody didn't, Judy. Lurk said he respected that, and, IIRC, Peter did as well. Sal
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snip Power balance. If you have ever been on a course with Bevan, you would know that he can get you tossed off with a blink of his eye. In his domain he has great power over the women who enters his office. Yeah, I raised that very point, but apparently there were no repercussions for this woman. I think she would have to be a non meditator for this to be true. Getting on Bevan's bad side could have serious repercussions. It reminds me of the Bill Clinton Paula Jones accusations. The question was did the Governor have power over her even though she was not working directly under him. (poor choice of words) Aside from all the other drama an bullshitery of that event, the power question was interesting. Plus he hit on married ladies in the community Maharishi asked him to build. Not very community minded IMO. Different issue entirely, for one thing. For another, this particular tactic of the straightforward proposition may have been in lieu of hitting on married women, for all we know--maybe he realized it wasn't the thing to do, and this seemed like a more honorable alternative. What people here didn't like was the *straightforwardness* of Bevan's proposition. But that's exactly what they *do* like about Alan's. Your feed back to Alan was very helpful IMO. I hope he takes it. The line between directness and Frat boy is a thin one. I don't know many women who dig frat boy. As a young man I was amazed at how effective some guys were with the direct approach. I was Mr. Romantic, trying to be subtle. But time and time again I would see some obviously lecherous guy dive in and swoop up a woman with zero flowers and maximum drilling...oh wait that is a poor choice of words...how about moments of the clouds and the rain? Yeah that Shogun stuff still flies! We all find our own balance with how we dance the dance. Once I learned more about the strong appetites of women, I learned I could give clearer signals. But if Bill's method was reported accurately, I don't imagine I will ever evolve into that style, no matter how comfortable I am with myself. There is also a line between directness and being a complete douche bag. (not so fine) Now if Bevan wants to put up a personal ad here for a woman who would like to join him in a meditation, and then a little dinner, and then a little room service, and then a couple of veggie lovers pizzas without the onion and mushrooms, and then some cokes and bags of chips from the mini bar... He'll get no shit from me. At least not for the ad. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: snip Ouch! First round to Curtis! I agree with Curtis here, Billy. There's absolutely nothing wrong with sex. Maybe Alan could be a little smoother, but so what, he wants to be in a sexual relationship with someone. I wish him all the luck in the world. Reminds me a little of the old Taxi series on TV. Louie DePalma (Danny Devito's character) said that he always asked attractive women if they'd like to go to his apartment and have drinks and sex. When asked if it worked he said not yet because most women slapped him in the face, but there's always a chance! What's really amusing about all this is how negatively everybody reacted to the story about Bevan asking a woman to come to his office and asking her if she'd be willing to have sex with him.
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Judy wrote: What's really amusing about all this is how negatively everybody reacted to the story about Bevan asking a woman to come to his office and asking her if she'd be willing to have sex with him. Curtis wrote: Power balance. If you have ever been on a course with Bevan, you would know that he can get you tossed off with a blink of his eye. In his domain he has great power over the women who enters his office. Plus he hit on married ladies in the community Maharishi asked him to build. Not very community minded IMO. Now if Bevan wants to put up a personal ad here for a woman who would like to join him in a meditation, and then a little dinner, and then a little room service, and then a couple of veggie lovers pizzas without the onion and mushrooms, and then some cokes and bags of chips from the mini bar...He'll get no shit from me. At least not for the ad. But, what about the 'ball gag'? Oh, so now it's all about a 'power' grab that you're offended, not the use of the ball gag. Peter wrote: snip Ouch! First round to Curtis! I agree with Curtis here, Billy. There's absolutely nothing wrong with sex. Maybe Alan could be a little smoother, but so what, he wants to be in a sexual relationship with someone. I wish him all the luck in the world. Reminds me a little of the old Taxi series on TV. Louie DePalma (Danny Devito's character) said that he always asked attractive women if they'd like to go to his apartment and have drinks and sex. When asked if it worked he said not yet because most women slapped him in the face, but there's always a chance! Judy wrote: What's really amusing about all this is how negatively everybody reacted to the story about Bevan asking a woman to come to his office and asking her if she'd be willing to have sex with him.
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Curtis wrote: There is also a line between directness and being a complete douche bag. (not so fine) So, you're saying that all the women that used the direct method with you were all 'douche' bags? As a young man I was amazed at how effective some guys were with the direct approach.
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Judy wrote: Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? Most of the men here seem to think that good sex consists of mere drilling, with an occasional ball gag, but it is laughable to think that some informers actually seem to think they're practicing tantric yoga'. BillyG wrote: Good one Willytexright, they're practicing tantric sex, ha, ha! Yeah, the 'tantric sex' of drilling and thrusting in a hole! PATNA: Suspended PU reader Matuknath, also known as love guru for his controversial extra-marital affair with a student, Julie, shot off a letter to CM Nitish Kumar on completion of two years of his suspension. Read more: 'Love guru' writes to CM for reinstatement' Times of India, July 16, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/5wyj3u
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snip chips from the mini bar...He'll get no shit from me. At least not for the ad. But, what about the 'ball gag'? If that is an offer the answer is no. I don't use them. Thanks for thinking of me though. Oh, so now it's all about a 'power' grab that you're offended, not the use of the ball gag. Yes, as long as it is between consenting adults it is none of my business what you use in your bedroom. I've always assumed you were a zippered leather face hood wearing kind of guy Richard, but that hasn't gotten in the way of our chummy chats has it? Peter wrote: snip Ouch! First round to Curtis! I agree with Curtis here, Billy. There's absolutely nothing wrong with sex. Maybe Alan could be a little smoother, but so what, he wants to be in a sexual relationship with someone. I wish him all the luck in the world. Reminds me a little of the old Taxi series on TV. Louie DePalma (Danny Devito's character) said that he always asked attractive women if they'd like to go to his apartment and have drinks and sex. When asked if it worked he said not yet because most women slapped him in the face, but there's always a chance! Judy wrote: What's really amusing about all this is how negatively everybody reacted to the story about Bevan asking a woman to come to his office and asking her if she'd be willing to have sex with him.
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Except that tantra isn't about sex, that's a western misinterpretation. Of course maybe you also hung out over by Antelope in the 1980's and learned a misinterpretation. :D alan wrote: well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off..I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up.Instead of saying drill and hole we will say I am the Shiva and she is the Shakti or how about the yin and the yang...drill and hole is ok though :-)I like the idea of drilling a heart and mind as well as the body with sat chit ananda..Peace my friend Alan Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? snip I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-)
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On Aug 5, 2008, at 11:34 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Except that tantra isn't about sex, that's a western misinterpretation. Yeah, that's a great line. Of course maybe you also hung out over by Antelope in the 1980's and learned a misinterpretation. :D Sal
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting on Bevan's bad side could have serious repercussions. It reminds me of the Bill Clinton Paula Jones accusations. The question was did the Governor have power over her even though she was not working directly under him. (poor choice of words) Aside from all the other drama an bullshitery of that event, the power question was interesting. As far as I know from friends who work in Human Resources law, the power differential issue was the kicker in the Bevan incident. That power differential makes it illegal for him to ever hit on *anyone* in the TM movement, just as it would make it illegal for the CEO of a large corporation to hit on an employee. If a CEO tried to hit on any woman who worked for his company, she would be able to retire on the proceeds of the lawsuit and the CEO would be out of a job faster than a New York lawyer can speak the words sexual harassment suit. (And that's FAST, for those who have not known a lot of New York lawyers...it's a period of time that has to be measured in milliseconds.) Personally I don't see how anyone could even *conceive* of having sex with that blubberous old toad, but if someone he *doesn't* have any power over decides to do it, I wish her well and I hope she is paid well enough for the experience that it covers the necessary psychotherapy. :-) But a TMer? If the woman in question had had any knowledge of the law and was willing to sever her ties to the TM movement, she would be a cool mil- lion dollars richer at this point, and Bevan would never be allowed within ten miles of MUM ever again in his life. The thing is, legally, my friends in Human Resources law tell me that she could *still* file a sexual harassment suit against Bevan and against MUM. Being hit on by a person with power over her who has a proven history of lashing out and firing people at that university is ENOUGH. He wouldn't have HAD to threaten her in any way, or retaliate against her in any way when she said no for her to win such a lawsuit. Given the legal precedents established in most states, he was guilty the moment he opened his mouth and propo- sitioned her.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except that tantra isn't about sex, that's a western misinterpretation. Damn, no wonder I am not scoring at my suburban housewives lunch hour Tantra class! I guess I'd be better off at the after work offshore drilling workshop. Or do I have that one wrong too? Doesn't anything mean sex anymore? I went to the do-it-yourself gynecological exams lecture series but I got kicked out for giggling at the first one. But come on, they must have said fallopian tubes (wasn't that one of the sutras?) about 20 times and on the 21st I just couldn't hold it in any longer. OK I think I have one that would work: The class called: Getting some, we mean it this time, no kidding,you know what we are talking about right, wink wink, nudge nudge, we mean hanky panky, fooling around...still not getting it...damn you're thick...we mean sex, sex acts between two people, sexual behavior between consenting adults (ball gags optional) got it now? Class will meet in a large bed where sex will happen during class. I think I am getting a pretty clear picture of what they are hinting at this time. Thanks for clearing up the Tantra thing, I think I can still get some of my money back. (I thought the mat they sold me looked kinda thin for the horizontal mambo) Of course maybe you also hung out over by Antelope in the 1980's and learned a misinterpretation. :D alan wrote: well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off..I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up.Instead of saying drill and hole we will say I am the Shiva and she is the Shakti or how about the yin and the yang...drill and hole is ok though :-)I like the idea of drilling a heart and mind as well as the body with sat chit ananda..Peace my friend Alan Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? snip I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-)
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But, what about the 'ball gag'? Curtis wrote: I don't use them. So, it was just a 'gag'.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Borg: Another one of what? Org: One of those pompous Brahmacharya types. You know, the ones who spent their entire lives being uptight about and rejecting all of the good things in creation, and thought they were being serious about spirituality BY being uptight and afraid of pleasure. Borg: Well duh, Org. Look at your job description. That's the only souls we EVER get to work with. The ones who enjoyed what the world put in their path and tried their best not to hurt other people don't ever come to our section of the Bardo. They have a smooth transition between death and rebirth, don't interface with any of us gnarly types, and have a smooth ride to a higher incarnation. It's only the retards that we get to work with for a while before we send them back to the lower planes. Org: But it's how OFTEN we have to send them back that bugs me. You'd think that after a few times around the Bardo, being shown clearly that reject- ing sex and relationships was equivalent to reject- ing life itself, With all due respect Turq/Unc, I think you've got it backwards. The souls that are 'eternally damned' to roam the earth lifetime after lifetime are those who are in search of satisfying the *insatiable* ephemeral senses, i.e. those who pursue sex as an end in itself and not for the purpose for which it was intended. I'm not suggesting you would qualify for that self determined judgment. I am speaking of those who are Hedonists and sense addicts. Sex in the proper context is a beautiful thing and results in creativity. I'm talking about sex outside of the context of Marriage and children. You have mis-characterized my comments,. or have you? that they'd catch a clue and stop doing it. But No...they just keep doing it, lifetime after lifetime, and we have to deal with the *same* retards between every life, over and over. Borg: Yeah, that gets me down sometimes, too. I mean, the ONLY thing we do here is show them the manifestations of their own ugly minds and their own ugly fears. It's not like we *invent* tortures or anything. THEY invent the tortures themselves; they're the things they were afraid of in life. And they never seem to get it. Org: Tell me about it. Take that Patanjali dude. We've had to send him back *thousands* of times now, and he's *never* gotten the point. Borg: And it's not only him but his *followers*. In *every* life he does the same thing, and con- vinces a whole new set of seekers that the way to what they call self realization is achieved by rejecting whatever the self finds pleasurable. Org: Oh well...let's get to it. Time to trot out the Reflection Of Consciousness Machine, and allow this guy to deal with his own fears and ugly thoughts for a while. Chances are he'll interpret them as some kind of judgment for having thought about sex a few times in his life. laughs Borg: also laughs Yeah, isn't that the kicker? He'll spend his entire trip through the Bardo thinking that his sins were thinking about sex, when the reality is that his sins were in reject- ing sex, and thus rejecting an important aspect of the wonder of creation. Org and Borg go to work, and in the background we hear the screams of an uptight soul being tortured by being exposed after death to all of the pleasure he avoided in life.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off.. I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up. It isn't a matter of lightening up or helping them. It's a matter of how a woman is likely to perceive a man who refers to having sex as drilling, because of what it says about how he perceives sex: it's something he *does to* the woman, not something they do together, not something they share. And there's also a rather ugly undertone of violence involved. There are probably some women who prefer that approach, who enjoy being the hole a man does his business in. I and most women I know would find it offputting. And that may not, in fact, be your attitude; you may just have chosen your words poorly. But that's all I'm pointing out: it's a poor choice of words if words (especially written words) are the medium through which you're making your initial appeal. In any case, best of luck to you. I hope you find what you're looking for. That's the problem Judy, a person in search of sensual indulgence NEVER finds what he's looking for, the momentary pleasure is at best fleeting, always insatiable and offers no lasting satisfaction. That is why they are doomed to roam the earth lifetime after lifetime looked for an illusion. At the tender age of nine, when the other children of the world were mostly busy in playgrounds, he had matured in the idea of renunciation and by continuous and deep thinking was convinced of the futility and evanescence of worldly pleasures. He realized so early that real and lasting happiness cannot be had without the realization of the Divine. The joys and pleasures that are obtained from the phenomenal world are mere shadows and smudged images of the ideal happiness and bliss, that is not far from man but exists in his own heart, enveloped by the dark clouds of ignorance and illusion. Love and God MMY
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Well , lookie here, Guru Dev (or a wannabe) is among us. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off.. I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up. It isn't a matter of lightening up or helping them. It's a matter of how a woman is likely to perceive a man who refers to having sex as drilling, because of what it says about how he perceives sex: it's something he *does to* the woman, not something they do together, not something they share. And there's also a rather ugly undertone of violence involved. There are probably some women who prefer that approach, who enjoy being the hole a man does his business in. I and most women I know would find it offputting. And that may not, in fact, be your attitude; you may just have chosen your words poorly. But that's all I'm pointing out: it's a poor choice of words if words (especially written words) are the medium through which you're making your initial appeal. In any case, best of luck to you. I hope you find what you're looking for. That's the problem Judy, a person in search of sensual indulgence NEVER finds what he's looking for, the momentary pleasure is at best fleeting, always insatiable and offers no lasting satisfaction. That is why they are doomed to roam the earth lifetime after lifetime looked for an illusion. At the tender age of nine, when the other children of the world were mostly busy in playgrounds, he had matured in the idea of renunciation and by continuous and deep thinking was convinced of the futility and evanescence of worldly pleasures. He realized so early that real and lasting happiness cannot be had without the realization of the Divine. The joys and pleasures that are obtained from the phenomenal world are mere shadows and smudged images of the ideal happiness and bliss, that is not far from man but exists in his own heart, enveloped by the dark clouds of ignorance and illusion. Love and God MMY
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Well I am looking for somebody smart like you.I'll proabaly have to wait to find some one as refined and intelligent ..Perhaps even a life time or two.I am humbled..You are right..It was a choice of poor words.Usually the attempt to be honest and forward and open are botched and are clumsy attempts for me...Hey it worked with my second wife and I really miss her and so I thought I would give it another try.Incidently I just want to say just because you meditate regularly and for 32 years doesn't always mean all your lines of developement as Ken Wilber would say are on par or the most mature or evolved.I am not saying this to justify anything but only trying to introduce some ideas here that others may or may not be aquainted with..Yeah my words were poor on a social level or cultured social level but I am essentially very uncultured..I am not unclean or an ogre or ignorant though..Just wanting to spread my wings and be me as I am and grow from there..Hey good luck to you too in what ever you do. I think you also commented to some one and said.., I hope they don't have children Well if that was a comment to me I happen to have four children.One is a college professor of antropology at Portland State University.She speak four languages fluently..Another daughter is a fourth grade elementary school teacher.One son is s sou chef at the Benson Hotel in Downtown Portland and the youngest I am almost certain is a reincarnated tibetan lama..Well I guess I am not as crude or ogre like as I even think sometimes.. Now if this was a centering prayer email list I would have really been a good boy but hey since its a t.m list I am just myself. I think it goes like this... Get good and get god no no Get God and get good yes yes' MMY hey have a nice day . Alan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off.. I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up. It isn't a matter of lightening up or helping them. It's a matter of how a woman is likely to perceive a man who refers to having sex as drilling, because of what it says about how he perceives sex: it's something he *does to* the woman, not something they do together, not something they share. And there's also a rather ugly undertone of violence involved. There are probably some women who prefer that approach, who enjoy being the hole a man does his business in. I and most women I know would find it offputting. And that may not, in fact, be your attitude; you may just have chosen your words poorly. But that's all I'm pointing out: it's a poor choice of words if words (especially written words) are the medium through which you're making your initial appeal. In any case, best of luck to you. I hope you find what you're looking for. Instead of saying drill and hole we will say I am the Shiva and she is the Shakti or how about the yin and the yang...drill and hole is ok though :-)I like the idea of drilling a heart and mind as well as the body with sat chit ananda..Peace my friend Alan Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? snip I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-)
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of alan Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:56 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion just because you meditate regularly and for 32 years doesn't always mean all your lines of developement as Ken Wilber would say are on par or the most mature or evolved.I am not saying this to justify anything but only trying to introduce some ideas here that others may or may not be aquainted with.. A very common theme on this list. Applies not only to we lowly meditators, but to MMY and other gurus.
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and how does one realize the divine from Maharishis perspective ? dip that cloth in the die and set it out to dry, dip it some more and some more and repeat the process The joys and pleasures of the phenomenal world is 100% the joys and pleasure of the divine are another 100% What do you think? Did Maharishi lie or exagerate? Peace and love, Alan lasting happiness cannot be had without the realization of the Divine. The joys and pleasures that are obtained from the phenomenal world are mere shadows and smudged images of the ideal happiness and bliss, that is not far from man but exists in his own heart, enveloped by the dark clouds of ignorance and illusion. Love and God MMY
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-Ah very well then..I am definitely at home and loving this list already..I shouldn't have lurked so long :-) alan -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of alan Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:56 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion just because you meditate regularly and for 32 years doesn't always mean all your lines of developement as Ken Wilber would say are on par or the most mature or evolved.I am not saying this to justify anything but only trying to introduce some ideas here that others may or may not be aquainted with.. A very common theme on this list. Applies not only to we lowly meditators, but to MMY and other gurus.
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of alan Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion What do you think? Did Maharishi lie or exagerate? Is the Pope Catholic?
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It's not that one should deny sexual urges, but control them! Self restraint is one the virtues Patanjali himself recommends and MMY too! If you want to get serious about spirituality the value of Brahmacharya is a valuable asset in your quest for self realization. For seekers whose methods of spiritual evolution are far advanced beyond Indian-based techniques, this becomes a moot point. ...but mountain doesn't move! --- On Tue, 8/5/08, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 8:25 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: Unfortunately, I think this gentleman typifies the moral character of many TM meditators. Since MMY never taught morality and ethics, and many if not most TM'ers adopted TM, *in lieu of Religion*, this is what you get! Evidently Billy believes such issues should be kept firmly in the closet. For shame, for openly expressing one's desire for sexual gratification. BIlly, maybe you typlify the moral character of many meditators-a certain denial of sexual urges. It's not that one should deny sexual urges, but control them! Self restraint is one the virtues Patanjali himself recommends and MMY too! If you want to get serious about spirituality the value of Brahmacharya is a valuable asset in your quest for self realization. We are free to choose as we will, and pay the price for our choices, as MMY often said quoting Christ, As ye sow, so shall ye reap. At the end of everybody's life comes the judgment as to how you will be spending the interim between lives. Will you be consumed with lust, anger or greed? You decide.. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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Alan, Hope you meet a bright and sensual, spiritually attuned beautiful female who finds you likewise attractive, and the two of you have immense pleasure together, for the rest of your life. The key to drilling is to build your partner's desire for your member such that drilling is not initiated by you, but by your partner. If you're patient and progressively arouse her, eventually she will create a vacuum in her vagina that will pull your member into her. At that point, her willingness will welcome your drilling, and you can go full bore, in mutual respect and pleasure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I am looking for somebody smart like you.I'll proabaly have to wait to find some one as refined and intelligent ..Perhaps even a life time or two.I am humbled..You are right..It was a choice of poor words.Usually the attempt to be honest and forward and open are botched and are clumsy attempts for me...Hey it worked with my second wife and I really miss her and so I thought I would give it another try.Incidently I just want to say just because you meditate regularly and for 32 years doesn't always mean all your lines of developement as Ken Wilber would say are on par or the most mature or evolved.I am not saying this to justify anything but only trying to introduce some ideas here that others may or may not be aquainted with..Yeah my words were poor on a social level or cultured social level but I am essentially very uncultured..I am not unclean or an ogre or ignorant though..Just wanting to spread my wings and be me as I am and grow from there..Hey good luck to you too in what ever you do. I think you also commented to some one and said.., I hope they don't have children Well if that was a comment to me I happen to have four children.One is a college professor of antropology at Portland State University.She speak four languages fluently..Another daughter is a fourth grade elementary school teacher.One son is s sou chef at the Benson Hotel in Downtown Portland and the youngest I am almost certain is a reincarnated tibetan lama..Well I guess I am not as crude or ogre like as I even think sometimes.. Now if this was a centering prayer email list I would have really been a good boy but hey since its a t.m list I am just myself. I think it goes like this... Get good and get god no no Get God and get good yes yes' MMY hey have a nice day . Alan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off.. I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up. It isn't a matter of lightening up or helping them. It's a matter of how a woman is likely to perceive a man who refers to having sex as drilling, because of what it says about how he perceives sex: it's something he *does to* the woman, not something they do together, not something they share. And there's also a rather ugly undertone of violence involved. There are probably some women who prefer that approach, who enjoy being the hole a man does his business in. I and most women I know would find it offputting. And that may not, in fact, be your attitude; you may just have chosen your words poorly. But that's all I'm pointing out: it's a poor choice of words if words (especially written words) are the medium through which you're making your initial appeal. In any case, best of luck to you. I hope you find what you're looking for. Instead of saying drill and hole we will say I am the Shiva and she is the Shakti or how about the yin and the yang...drill and hole is ok though :-)I like the idea of drilling a heart and mind as well as the body with sat chit ananda..Peace my friend Alan Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? snip I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-)
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I'm planning to increase my drilling activities, too. If any ladies read this and would like to provide the hole for my drill, please feel free to respond to this message. No relationship. No communication. Just honest-to-goodness drilling. For some reason I have had zero success with women for the last 40+ years and I have never been able to figure out why. Perhaps my luck will change now that I have explained exactly what I am looking for. I read in a book that honesty is important to the ladies, although since I currently know no ladies, I am unable to determine whether this is true or not. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan, Hope you meet a bright and sensual, spiritually attuned beautiful female who finds you likewise attractive, and the two of you have immense pleasure together, for the rest of your life. The key to drilling is to build your partner's desire for your member such that drilling is not initiated by you, but by your partner. If you're patient and progressively arouse her, eventually she will create a vacuum in her vagina that will pull your member into her. At that point, her willingness will welcome your drilling, and you can go full bore, in mutual respect and pleasure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: Well I am looking for somebody smart like you.I'll proabaly have to wait to find some one as refined and intelligent ..Perhaps even a life time or two.I am humbled..You are right..It was a choice of poor words.Usually the attempt to be honest and forward and open are botched and are clumsy attempts for me...Hey it worked with my second wife and I really miss her and so I thought I would give it another try.Incidently I just want to say just because you meditate regularly and for 32 years doesn't always mean all your lines of developement as Ken Wilber would say are on par or the most mature or evolved.I am not saying this to justify anything but only trying to introduce some ideas here that others may or may not be aquainted with..Yeah my words were poor on a social level or cultured social level but I am essentially very uncultured..I am not unclean or an ogre or ignorant though..Just wanting to spread my wings and be me as I am and grow from there..Hey good luck to you too in what ever you do. I think you also commented to some one and said.., I hope they don't have children Well if that was a comment to me I happen to have four children.One is a college professor of antropology at Portland State University.She speak four languages fluently..Another daughter is a fourth grade elementary school teacher.One son is s sou chef at the Benson Hotel in Downtown Portland and the youngest I am almost certain is a reincarnated tibetan lama..Well I guess I am not as crude or ogre like as I even think sometimes.. Now if this was a centering prayer email list I would have really been a good boy but hey since its a t.m list I am just myself. I think it goes like this... Get good and get god no no Get God and get good yes yes' MMY hey have a nice day . Alan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off.. I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up. It isn't a matter of lightening up or helping them. It's a matter of how a woman is likely to perceive a man who refers to having sex as drilling, because of what it says about how he perceives sex: it's something he *does to* the woman, not something they do together, not something they share. And there's also a rather ugly undertone of violence involved. There are probably some women who prefer that approach, who enjoy being the hole a man does his business in. I and most women I know would find it offputting. And that may not, in fact, be your attitude; you may just have chosen your words poorly. But that's all I'm pointing out: it's a poor choice of words if words (especially written words) are the medium through which you're making your initial appeal. In any case, best of luck to you. I hope you find what you're looking for. Instead of saying drill and hole we will say I am the Shiva and she is the Shakti or how about the yin and the yang...drill and hole is ok though :-)I like the idea of drilling a heart and mind as well as the body with sat chit ananda..Peace my friend Alan Tell ya
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I am looking for somebody smart like you.I'll proabaly have to wait to find some one as refined and intelligent ..Perhaps even a life time or two.I am humbled..You are right..It was a choice of poor words.Usually the attempt to be honest and forward and open are botched and are clumsy attempts for me...Hey it worked with my second wife and I really miss her and so I thought I would give it another try.Incidently I just want to say just because you meditate regularly and for 32 years doesn't always mean all your lines of developement as Ken Wilber would say are on par or the most mature or evolved.I am not saying this to justify anything but only trying to introduce some ideas here that others may or may not be aquainted with..Yeah my words were poor on a social level or cultured social level but I am essentially very uncultured..I am not unclean or an ogre or ignorant though..Just wanting to spread my wings and be me as I am and grow from there..Hey good luck to you too in what ever you do. I think you also commented to some one and said.., I hope they don't have children Well if that was a comment to me I happen to have four children.One is a college professor of antropology at Portland State University.She speak four languages fluently..Another daughter is a fourth grade elementary school teacher.One son is s sou chef at the Benson Hotel in Downtown Portland and the youngest I am almost certain is a reincarnated tibetan lama..Well I guess I am not as crude or ogre like as I even think sometimes.. Now if this was a centering prayer email list I would have really been a good boy but hey since its a t.m list I am just myself. I think it goes like this... Get good and get god no no Get God and get good yes yes' MMY hey have a nice day . Alan So, let's get this straight. You now concur with Judy that it was a poor choice of words, Right? So, now, after half of the group here initially sided with you (and your poor choice of words) you change your mind! Where does that leave Dr. Peter, Turq, Curtis, Mainstream, Lurk, I guess eating their own words, and yours! even YOU don't agree with them, what a great turn of events!! Ha, ha. I guess that leaves me smelling like a Rose, Right?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm planning to increase my drilling activities, too. If any ladies read this and would like to provide the hole for my drill, please feel free to respond to this message. No relationship. No communication. Just honest-to-goodness drilling. For some reason I have had zero success with women for the last 40+ years and I have never been able to figure out why. Perhaps my luck will change now that I have explained exactly what I am looking for. I read in a book that honesty is important to the ladies, although since I currently know no ladies, I am unable to determine whether this is true or not. What a belly laugh, good one!!! Post of the month folks, post of the month!! :-)
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Where does that leave Dr. Peter, Turq, Curtis, Mainstream, Lurk, I guess eating their own words, and yours! even YOU don't agree with them, what a great turn of events!! Ha, ha. No, that has nothing to do with my rejection of your Amish POV. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: Well I am looking for somebody smart like you.I'll proabaly have to wait to find some one as refined and intelligent ..Perhaps even a life time or two.I am humbled..You are right..It was a choice of poor words.Usually the attempt to be honest and forward and open are botched and are clumsy attempts for me...Hey it worked with my second wife and I really miss her and so I thought I would give it another try.Incidently I just want to say just because you meditate regularly and for 32 years doesn't always mean all your lines of developement as Ken Wilber would say are on par or the most mature or evolved.I am not saying this to justify anything but only trying to introduce some ideas here that others may or may not be aquainted with..Yeah my words were poor on a social level or cultured social level but I am essentially very uncultured..I am not unclean or an ogre or ignorant though..Just wanting to spread my wings and be me as I am and grow from there..Hey good luck to you too in what ever you do. I think you also commented to some one and said.., I hope they don't have children Well if that was a comment to me I happen to have four children.One is a college professor of antropology at Portland State University.She speak four languages fluently..Another daughter is a fourth grade elementary school teacher.One son is s sou chef at the Benson Hotel in Downtown Portland and the youngest I am almost certain is a reincarnated tibetan lama..Well I guess I am not as crude or ogre like as I even think sometimes.. Now if this was a centering prayer email list I would have really been a good boy but hey since its a t.m list I am just myself. I think it goes like this... Get good and get god no no Get God and get good yes yes' MMY hey have a nice day . Alan So, let's get this straight. You now concur with Judy that it was a poor choice of words, Right? So, now, after half of the group here initially sided with you (and your poor choice of words) you change your mind! Where does that leave Dr. Peter, Turq, Curtis, Mainstream, Lurk, I guess eating their own words, and yours! even YOU don't agree with them, what a great turn of events!! Ha, ha. I guess that leaves me smelling like a Rose, Right?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip In any case, best of luck to you. I hope you find what That's the problem Judy, a person in search of sensual indulgence NEVER finds what he's looking for, the momentary pleasure is at best fleeting, always insatiable and offers no lasting satisfaction. That is why they are doomed to roam the earth lifetime after lifetime looked for an illusion. Yeah, see, Billy, my rule is I don't pay any attention to that kind of stuff unless it makes sense to me experientially, so please go preach to somebody else, OK?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think you also commented to some one and said.., I hope they don't have children No, that wasn't my comment. And you have it wrong anyway. It was I hope you don't *work with* young children. It was directed not at you but at somebody who was preaching to you about the virtues of controlling your sexual urges. Sorry to have bothered you by introducing a female perspective. That's obviously *not* what you're looking for.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and how does one realize the divine from Maharishis perspective ? dip that cloth in the die and set it out to dry, dip it some more and some more and repeat the process The joys and pleasures of the phenomenal world is 100% the joys and pleasure of the divine are another 100% What do you think? Did Maharishi lie or exagerate? Peace and love, Alan Yes MMY exaggerated, IMO! Did you honestly think after only a few years of TM you'd reach the very pinnacle of Human evolution? A culmination of which is so grand and amazing as to baffle the imagination? MMY himself finally said in Fuiggi, It could take a million years to reach CC, unless you come to these courses so there you have it Alan, you must practice Religion in order to grow morally and as a result, spiritually, in conjunction with TM as Patanjali suggested in his Ashtanga Yoga. (See appendix of MMY Gita) But then if you're willing to pay the price of immoral living waiting for TM to 'kick in' that is your business. ...all limbs, or means, must be practiced,... simultaneously, MMY Gita appendix on Yoga. A dirty mirror cannot reflect the sun clearly, TM is BOTH purification and infusion (of the being). One compliments the other...
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip In any case, best of luck to you. I hope you find what That's the problem Judy, a person in search of sensual indulgence NEVER finds what he's looking for, the momentary pleasure is at best fleeting, always insatiable and offers no lasting satisfaction. That is why they are doomed to roam the earth lifetime after lifetime looked for an illusion. Yeah, see, Billy, my rule is I don't pay any attention to that kind of stuff unless it makes sense to me experientially, so please go preach to somebody else, OK? I didn't know preaching wasn't allowed, I mean, can't you give me an Amen, brother? Turq cusses all of the time.:-)
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillyG. Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 4:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion Yes MMY exaggerated, IMO! Did you honestly think after only a few years of TM you'd reach the very pinnacle of Human evolution? A culmination of which is so grand and amazing as to baffle the imagination? MMY himself finally said in Fuiggi, It could take a million years to reach CC, unless you come to these courses so there you have it Alan, you must practice Religion in order to grow morally A quote that someone happened to send me today: To have faith in the existence of a Supreme Power and to live accordingly is religion. When we become religious, morality arises, which, in turn, will help to keep us away from malevolent influences. We won't drink, we won't smoke, and we will stop wasting our energy through unnecessary gossip and talk. Morality or purity of character is a stepping stone to spirituality. We will develop qualities like love, compassion, patience, mental equipoise, and other positive traits. These will help us to love and serve everyone equally. - Ammachi, Awaken Children, Vol.4 p103 (0103)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where does that leave Dr. Peter, Turq, Curtis, Mainstream, Lurk, I guess eating their own words, and yours! even YOU don't agree with them, what a great turn of events!! Ha, ha. No, that has nothing to do with my rejection of your Amish POV. Nyuk, nyuk.
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curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except that tantra isn't about sex, that's a western misinterpretation. Damn, no wonder I am not scoring at my suburban housewives lunch hour Tantra class! I guess I'd be better off at the after work offshore drilling workshop. Or do I have that one wrong too? Doesn't anything mean sex anymore? I went to the do-it-yourself gynecological exams lecture series but I got kicked out for giggling at the first one. But come on, they must have said fallopian tubes (wasn't that one of the sutras?) about 20 times and on the 21st I just couldn't hold it in any longer. OK I think I have one that would work: The class called: Getting some, we mean it this time, no kidding,you know what we are talking about right, wink wink, nudge nudge, we mean hanky panky, fooling around...still not getting it...damn you're thick...we mean sex, sex acts between two people, sexual behavior between consenting adults (ball gags optional) got it now? Class will meet in a large bed where sex will happen during class. I think I am getting a pretty clear picture of what they are hinting at this time. Thanks for clearing up the Tantra thing, I think I can still get some of my money back. (I thought the mat they sold me looked kinda thin for the horizontal mambo) They should advertise themselves as sex therapists then. That's what the Marin County tantra is: sex therapy. There are some advanced techniques that tantrics practice with a mate in a smashan but those are not for beginners. And I would think sex in a smashan might a bit dirty. ;-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillyG. Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 4:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion Yes MMY exaggerated, IMO! Did you honestly think after only a few years of TM you'd reach the very pinnacle of Human evolution? A culmination of which is so grand and amazing as to baffle the imagination? MMY himself finally said in Fuiggi, It could take a million years to reach CC, unless you come to these courses so there you have it Alan, you must practice Religion in order to grow morally A quote that someone happened to send me today: To have faith in the existence of a Supreme Power and to live accordingly is religion. When we become religious, morality arises, which, in turn, will help to keep us away from malevolent influences. We won't drink, we won't smoke, and we will stop wasting our energy through unnecessary gossip and talk. Morality or purity of character is a stepping stone to spirituality. We will develop qualities like love, compassion, patience, mental equipoise, and other positive traits. These will help us to love and serve everyone equally. - Ammachi, Awaken Children, Vol.4 p103 (0103) God bless you Rick, right on Yes.
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--- Yes MMY exaggerated, IMO! Did you honestly think after only a few years of TM you'd reach the very pinnacle of Human evolution? A culmination of which is so grand and amazing as to baffle the imagination? Perhaps it baffles the imagination is the problem.Stop imagining and practice.Here is the way that centering prayer people say it from the contemplative outreach..You use your sacred word or your t.m mantra or your zazen shikantaza or anapanna, or what ever method or technique that suits your ability to sit twice a day for 20 to 30 minutes or so as your intention to God in the cloud of unknowing.You give your consent to the willful transformation of yourself by a God of no image or concept and then you pay attention.So the culimation of the practice no matter what your cultural resonance might be is ( Intention/Attention) I think this is about as good and righteous as you can get.All the super ego imposition of morals and ethics are simply that..Some thing imposed on you, your essential nature...your essence..Essence maybe rather stupid or socially imature but it is basiclly always food..It is pure.Ypou think you are not enlightened because people have imposed their spiritual laws and views on you and you believe that you need to be fixed or redeemed or saved or liberated.I think what we all really need to do is not be afraid and to desire to want to grow ,consider the morals and ethics and just keep on practicing.. Yes quite frankly there are a lot of things that Maharishi said that I dont take very seriously any more. C.C ( turiya) witnessing isnt that big of a deal. If you arent doing this while asleep you can use the ever present witness meditation and start doing it right now while you are awake.Oh Incidently from some schools pof thought and most christian contemplative and gnostic groups suggest that the third state of consciousness is self reflective self consciousness..The deal about this like Gurdjieff said its like the terror of the situation..One begins to develope a conscience that is ones own and not something that is super ego imposed over you.Its very important to get to this point of non identification to my shallow empty insignifigance and take my reference point as that witness..What ever you can observe in your self.see it claim it and name it you are already not it and beginning to non identify with it.If I sit around and identify to my shallow ness, or imorality then I am that..Non identification is the key..Self reflective self consciousness is important but non critical non judgementally so.It paves the way to the 4th state of consciousness or objective consciousness..The real objective view//In other words ala Gurdjieff Life is only real when I am C.C is simply witnessing 24-7..Arent any of you doing that sponataneously after years of doing t.m? If it doesnt stay the part that is missing is self reflective self consciousness and Maharishi said thats not even neccesary..I never could buy that though myself. If you can witness an object how can you be afraid? If I have ways of behavior that are unpleasent,unkind, immoral unethical to know it I would have to first see it, 2nd claim it,3rd not identify with it 4th Keep on keeping on with that meditation practice giving ones consent and intention to God in that cloud of unknowing and then look around and pay attention..Baby its a wonderful ride :-) alan MMY himself finally said in Fuiggi, It could take a million years to reach CC, unless you come to these courses so there you have it Alan, you must practice Religion in order to grow morally and as a result, spiritually, in conjunction with TM as Patanjali suggested in his Ashtanga Yoga. (See appendix of MMY Gita) But then if you're willing to pay the price of immoral living waiting for TM to 'kick in' that is your business. ...all limbs, or means, must be practiced,... simultaneously, MMY Gita appendix on Yoga. A dirty mirror cannot reflect the sun clearly, TM is BOTH purification and infusion (of the being). One compliments the other...
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-excuse me for the confusion..ok, ok. But pardon me why would you think I am not open to females comments.? I appreciate them very much..Women are instinctually wise and loving. I like that and still want and appreciate it as much as a two year old boy who loves love from his mother :-) alan -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: snip I think you also commented to some one and said.., I hope they don't have children No, that wasn't my comment. And you have it wrong anyway. It was I hope you don't *work with* young children. It was directed not at you but at somebody who was preaching to you about the virtues of controlling your sexual urges. Sorry to have bothered you by introducing a female perspective. That's obviously *not* what you're looking for.
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Basiclly always Good instead I wrote food Its food too Food for the soul , the spirit, the mind and consoling Yes MMY exaggerated, IMO! Did you honestly think after only a few years of TM you'd reach the very pinnacle of Human evolution? A culmination of which is so grand and amazing as to baffle the imagination? Perhaps it baffles the imagination is the problem.Stop imagining and practice.Here is the way that centering prayer people say it from the contemplative outreach..You use your sacred word or your t.m mantra or your zazen shikantaza or anapanna, or what ever method or technique that suits your ability to sit twice a day for 20 to 30 minutes or so as your intention to God in the cloud of unknowing.You give your consent to the willful transformation of yourself by a God of no image or concept and then you pay attention.So the culimation of the practice no matter what your cultural resonance might be is ( Intention/Attention) I think this is about as good and righteous as you can get.All the super ego imposition of morals and ethics are simply that..Some thing imposed on you, your essential nature...your essence..Essence maybe rather stupid or socially imature but it is basiclly always food..It is pure.Ypou think you are not enlightened because people have imposed their spiritual laws and views on you and you believe that you need to be fixed or redeemed or saved or liberated.I think what we all really need to do is not be afraid and to desire to want to grow ,consider the morals and ethics and just keep on practicing.. Yes quite frankly there are a lot of things that Maharishi said that I dont take very seriously any more. C.C ( turiya) witnessing isnt that big of a deal. If you arent doing this while asleep you can use the ever present witness meditation and start doing it right now while you are awake.Oh Incidently from some schools pof thought and most christian contemplative and gnostic groups suggest that the third state of consciousness is self reflective self consciousness..The deal about this like Gurdjieff said its like the terror of the situation..One begins to develope a conscience that is ones own and not something that is super ego imposed over you.Its very important to get to this point of non identification to my shallow empty insignifigance and take my reference point as that witness..What ever you can observe in your self.see it claim it and name it you are already not it and beginning to non identify with it.If I sit around and identify to my shallow ness, or imorality then I am that..Non identification is the key..Self reflective self consciousness is important but non critical non judgementally so.It paves the way to the 4th state of consciousness or objective consciousness..The real objective view//In other words ala Gurdjieff Life is only real when I am C.C is simply witnessing 24-7..Arent any of you doing that sponataneously after years of doing t.m? If it doesnt stay the part that is missing is self reflective self consciousness and Maharishi said thats not even neccesary..I never could buy that though myself. If you can witness an object how can you be afraid? If I have ways of behavior that are unpleasent,unkind, immoral unethical to know it I would have to first see it, 2nd claim it,3rd not identify with it 4th Keep on keeping on with that meditation practice giving ones consent and intention to God in that cloud of unknowing and then look around and pay attention..Baby its a wonderful ride :-) alan MMY himself finally said in Fuiggi, It could take a million years to reach CC, unless you come to these courses so there you have it Alan, you must practice Religion in order to grow morally and as a result, spiritually, in conjunction with TM as Patanjali suggested in his Ashtanga Yoga. (See appendix of MMY Gita) But then if you're willing to pay the price of immoral living waiting for TM to 'kick in' that is your business. ...all limbs, or means, must be practiced,... simultaneously, MMY Gita appendix on Yoga. A dirty mirror cannot reflect the sun clearly, TM is BOTH purification and infusion (of the being). One compliments the other...
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Well Billy G unless you can render some intellectual challenge I will just slide on by your comments from now on.Its not as simple as horny.Oh Yes I am aroused by spiritually deep and intellectually challenging females as well as men and I am a stud muffin hetrosexual. I never pay for sex intentionally. I am proud of my life force, my libido and my aparatus and my God giving ability to please and make a woman feel loved and beautiful and wanted..You can keep going on about that ;drilling' if it makes you feel superior..I tell you what my friend there are some women that want to be taken hard and drilled.If you have never experienced that I feel bad for you.If you have and she left you or abandonned you for other deep drilling it will break your heart and crush your ego..From the looks of it I am sure you still have a pretty good sized ego.So you be very careful for the great fall. alan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: I never mentioned anything about gratitous sex but a mutual and recipricol relationship with a base of meditation practice..pure consciousness and the desire to evolve along with a companion in the same boat. You strike me as the kind of guy who wants his cake and eat it too. If you want to do some drilling I think you might be able to for $250 a pop in Nevada, no rubber necessary, of course! I could have colored my stuff with a little more romance and decency or culture.Its not meant for those who can't handle simplicity and honesty but its meant for those who understand simple as that. Ah ha, I see you're backing out now, you're really just a prince charming waiting for sleeping beauty, right? Come on fess up, you're horny! Peace my friend. I haven't lost mine, but you're sure to lose yours if you continue with this drilling idea.one thing about drilling, you can never get enough of it, and sooner or later you have to give it up. And like Judy suggested, it may be good for the drill but not so good for the hole! :-) Alan---
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -excuse me for the confusion..ok, ok. But pardon me why would you think I am not open to females comments.? I didn't say that. I said you weren't open to the female perspective I tried to share with you. You were so not-open to it that you decided I had made a moralistic comment about you, when the one you were thinking of wasn't my comment and wasn't even *about* you. I appreciate them very much..Women are instinctually wise and loving. I like that and still want and appreciate it as much as a two year old boy who loves love from his mother :-) alan -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: snip I think you also commented to some one and said.., I hope they don't have children No, that wasn't my comment. And you have it wrong anyway. It was I hope you don't *work with* young children. It was directed not at you but at somebody who was preaching to you about the virtues of controlling your sexual urges. Sorry to have bothered you by introducing a female perspective. That's obviously *not* what you're looking for.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the problem Judy, a person in search of sensual indulgence NEVER finds what he's looking for, the momentary pleasure is at best fleeting, always insatiable and offers no lasting satisfaction. That is why they are doomed to roam the earth lifetime after lifetime looked for an illusion. Divine. And how many lives are messed up by trying to achieve an ideal for which they are not ready, or even suited. That is more likely to mess you up. And too bad that you view reincarnated life as such a failure. The alternative would be living in the moment, enjoying the present life, and knowing that the future will take care of itself. The joys and pleasures that are obtained from the phenomenal world are mere shadows and smudged images of the ideal happiness and bliss, that is not far from man but exists in his own heart, enveloped by the dark clouds of ignorance and illusion. Love and God MMY
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This is good stuff mainstream. Good pointers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan, Hope you meet a bright and sensual, spiritually attuned beautiful female who finds you likewise attractive, and the two of you have immense pleasure together, for the rest of your life. The key to drilling is to build your partner's desire for your member such that drilling is not initiated by you, but by your partner. If you're patient and progressively arouse her, eventually she will create a vacuum in her vagina that will pull your member into her. At that point, her willingness will welcome your drilling, and you can go full bore, in mutual respect and pleasure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: Well I am looking for somebody smart like you.I'll proabaly have to wait to find some one as refined and intelligent ..Perhaps even a life time or two.I am humbled..You are right..It was a choice of poor words.Usually the attempt to be honest and forward and open are botched and are clumsy attempts for me...Hey it worked with my second wife and I really miss her and so I thought I would give it another try.Incidently I just want to say just because you meditate regularly and for 32 years doesn't always mean all your lines of developement as Ken Wilber would say are on par or the most mature or evolved.I am not saying this to justify anything but only trying to introduce some ideas here that others may or may not be aquainted with..Yeah my words were poor on a social level or cultured social level but I am essentially very uncultured..I am not unclean or an ogre or ignorant though..Just wanting to spread my wings and be me as I am and grow from there..Hey good luck to you too in what ever you do. I think you also commented to some one and said.., I hope they don't have children Well if that was a comment to me I happen to have four children.One is a college professor of antropology at Portland State University.She speak four languages fluently..Another daughter is a fourth grade elementary school teacher.One son is s sou chef at the Benson Hotel in Downtown Portland and the youngest I am almost certain is a reincarnated tibetan lama..Well I guess I am not as crude or ogre like as I even think sometimes.. Now if this was a centering prayer email list I would have really been a good boy but hey since its a t.m list I am just myself. I think it goes like this... Get good and get god no no Get God and get good yes yes' MMY hey have a nice day . Alan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off.. I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up. It isn't a matter of lightening up or helping them. It's a matter of how a woman is likely to perceive a man who refers to having sex as drilling, because of what it says about how he perceives sex: it's something he *does to* the woman, not something they do together, not something they share. And there's also a rather ugly undertone of violence involved. There are probably some women who prefer that approach, who enjoy being the hole a man does his business in. I and most women I know would find it offputting. And that may not, in fact, be your attitude; you may just have chosen your words poorly. But that's all I'm pointing out: it's a poor choice of words if words (especially written words) are the medium through which you're making your initial appeal. In any case, best of luck to you. I hope you find what you're looking for. Instead of saying drill and hole we will say I am the Shiva and she is the Shakti or how about the yin and the yang...drill and hole is ok though :-)I like the idea of drilling a heart and mind as well as the body with sat chit ananda..Peace my friend Alan Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? snip I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-)
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Feste, I think the sympathy factor may work better than the honesty factor. Dude, you may have some drilling in your future! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm planning to increase my drilling activities, too. If any ladies read this and would like to provide the hole for my drill, please feel free to respond to this message. No relationship. No communication. Just honest-to-goodness drilling. For some reason I have had zero success with women for the last 40+ years and I have never been able to figure out why. Perhaps my luck will change now that I have explained exactly what I am looking for. I read in a book that honesty is important to the ladies, although since I currently know no ladies, I am unable to determine whether this is true or not. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: Alan, Hope you meet a bright and sensual, spiritually attuned beautiful female who finds you likewise attractive, and the two of you have immense pleasure together, for the rest of your life. The key to drilling is to build your partner's desire for your member such that drilling is not initiated by you, but by your partner. If you're patient and progressively arouse her, eventually she will create a vacuum in her vagina that will pull your member into her. At that point, her willingness will welcome your drilling, and you can go full bore, in mutual respect and pleasure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: Well I am looking for somebody smart like you.I'll proabaly have to wait to find some one as refined and intelligent ..Perhaps even a life time or two.I am humbled..You are right..It was a choice of poor words.Usually the attempt to be honest and forward and open are botched and are clumsy attempts for me...Hey it worked with my second wife and I really miss her and so I thought I would give it another try.Incidently I just want to say just because you meditate regularly and for 32 years doesn't always mean all your lines of developement as Ken Wilber would say are on par or the most mature or evolved.I am not saying this to justify anything but only trying to introduce some ideas here that others may or may not be aquainted with..Yeah my words were poor on a social level or cultured social level but I am essentially very uncultured..I am not unclean or an ogre or ignorant though..Just wanting to spread my wings and be me as I am and grow from there..Hey good luck to you too in what ever you do. I think you also commented to some one and said.., I hope they don't have children Well if that was a comment to me I happen to have four children.One is a college professor of antropology at Portland State University.She speak four languages fluently..Another daughter is a fourth grade elementary school teacher.One son is s sou chef at the Benson Hotel in Downtown Portland and the youngest I am almost certain is a reincarnated tibetan lama..Well I guess I am not as crude or ogre like as I even think sometimes.. Now if this was a centering prayer email list I would have really been a good boy but hey since its a t.m list I am just myself. I think it goes like this... Get good and get god no no Get God and get good yes yes' MMY hey have a nice day . Alan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off.. I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up. It isn't a matter of lightening up or helping them. It's a matter of how a woman is likely to perceive a man who refers to having sex as drilling, because of what it says about how he perceives sex: it's something he *does to* the woman, not something they do together, not something they share. And there's also a rather ugly undertone of violence involved. There are probably some women who prefer that approach, who enjoy being the hole a man does his business in. I and most women I know would find it offputting. And that may not, in fact, be your attitude; you may just have chosen your words poorly. But that's all I'm pointing out: it's a poor choice of words if words (especially written words) are the medium through which you're making your initial appeal. In any case, best of luck to you. I hope you find what you're looking
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, let's get this straight. You now concur with Judy that it was a poor choice of words, Right? So, now, after half of the group here initially sided with you (and your poor choice of words) you change your mind! Where does that leave Dr. Peter, Turq, Curtis, Mainstream, Lurk, I guess eating their own words, and yours! even YOU don't agree with them, what a great turn of events!! Ha, ha. I guess that leaves me smelling like a Rose, Right? Billy, some of us factor in a little poetic license. A little margin of error, or safety. So, I think the gloating may be a little premature.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I'm planning to increase my drilling activities, too. If any ladies read this and would like to provide the hole for my drill, please feel free to respond to this message. No relationship. No communication. Just honest-to-goodness drilling. For some reason I have had zero success with women for the last 40+ years and I have never been able to figure out why. Perhaps my luck will change now that I have explained exactly what I am looking for. I read in a book that honesty is important to the ladies, although since I currently know no ladies, I am unable to determine whether this is true or not. What a belly laugh, good one!!! Post of the month folks, post of the month!! :-) Well at least you still have a sense of humor. Now, about that limp dick
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I'm planning to increase my drilling activities, too. If any ladies read this and would like to provide the hole for my drill, please feel free to respond to this message. No relationship. No communication. Just honest-to-goodness drilling. For some reason I have had zero success with women for the last 40+ years and I have never been able to figure out why. Perhaps my luck will change now that I have explained exactly what I am looking for. I read in a book that honesty is important to the ladies, although since I currently know no ladies, I am unable to determine whether this is true or not. What a belly laugh, good one!!! Post of the month folks, post of the month!! :-) Well at least you still have a sense of humor. Now, about that limp dick I'm still waiting for you to say something that 'really' bugs me:-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off.. I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up. It isn't a matter of lightening up or helping them. It's a matter of how a woman is likely to perceive a man who refers to having sex as drilling, because of what it says about how he perceives sex: it's something he *does to* the woman, not something they do together, not something they share. And there's also a rather ugly undertone of violence involved. There are probably some women who prefer that approach, who enjoy being the hole a man does his business in. I and most women I know would find it offputting. And that may not, in fact, be your attitude; you may just have chosen your words poorly. But that's all I'm pointing out: it's a poor choice of words if words (especially written words) are the medium through which you're making your initial appeal. In any case, best of luck to you. I hope you find what you're looking for. That's the problem Judy, a person in search of sensual indulgence NEVER finds what he's looking for, the momentary pleasure is at best fleeting, always insatiable and offers no lasting satisfaction. That is why they are doomed to roam the earth lifetime after lifetime looked for an illusion. That is certainly a valid description of egoic grasping in the ego-bound state. I remember it well. However, I'm in no position to know whether Alan is ego-bound and craving lasting fulfillment in sex, so I don't make the assumption that he is, and I'm open to the possibility that he's not. My experience in awakening, however, is that desires don't go away. But, what *did* go away was the craving for and expectation of fulfillment. And, as such, sexual release has become completely fulfilling in the moment because the moment is devoid of any expectation. But, I laugh at the silly superstitious notion that it's bad woowoo to engage in sex outside the restraints of heterosexual marriage and procreation. Frankly, the idea that sex needs to be repressed and only expressed in religiously approved channels strikes me as a waking state spiritual preschool.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still waiting for you to say something that 'really' bugs me:-) Okay. Your mother has a mustache. Hows that!!!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Alan, I like your simple straight ahead approach. Good luck! --- On Mon, 8/4/08, alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] looking for a t.m meditator companion To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:03 PM hey Im an old t.m meditator single divorced in Oregon What better to place to just put it out here than this. I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-) Hey Im serious ..this isnt a joke.I have been meditating twice a day since june 7 ,1976 and am also a t.m sidha... Take it as it comes Maharishi saith and if it doesnt come go out and get it and if it doesnt exist create it and so here is my attempt at getting this wish fulfilled in the relative.I hope this offends no one. Integrally and spiritually yours truly, Alan Unfortunately, I think this gentleman typifies the moral character of many TM meditators. Since MMY never taught morality and ethics, and many if not most TM'ers adopted TM, *in lieu of Religion*, this is what you get! Character and spiritual development go hand in hand, in case you haven't heard. Maybe if he concentrated on his meditation he wouldn't need gratuitous sex, as this is what it sounds like...sad. :-(
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey Alan, I like your simple straight ahead approach. Good luck! --- On Mon, 8/4/08, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: From: alan alan.kuntz@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] looking for a t.m meditator companion To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:03 PM hey Im an old t.m meditator single divorced in Oregon What better to place to just put it out here than this. I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-) Hey Im serious ..this isnt a joke.I have been meditating twice a day since june 7 ,1976 and am also a t.m sidha... Take it as it comes Maharishi saith and if it doesnt come go out and get it and if it doesnt exist create it and so here is my attempt at getting this wish fulfilled in the relative.I hope this offends no one. Integrally and spiritually yours truly, Alan Unfortunately, I think this gentleman typifies the moral character of many TM meditators. Since MMY never taught morality and ethics, and many if not most TM'ers adopted TM, *in lieu of Religion*, this is what you get! So much for the claim that MMY taught celibacy for all... Character and spiritual development go hand in hand, in case you haven't heard. Maybe if he concentrated on his meditation he wouldn't need gratuitous sex, as this is what it sounds like...sad. :-( Not at all judgmental, are we? Lawson
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Unfortunately, I think this gentleman typifies the moral character of many TM meditators. Since MMY never taught morality and ethics, and many if not most TM'ers adopted TM, *in lieu of Religion*, this is what you get! Character and spiritual development go hand in hand, in case you haven't heard. Maybe if he concentrated on his meditation he wouldn't need gratuitous sex, as this is what it sounds like...sad. :-( Are you gunning for the little old lady of the year award? Did any of your religious ethics guides mention that being judgmental sucks? The dude said he was regular in meditation, what exactly would it mean if he concentrated on his meditation? Did meditation take away your sex drive? And no one is fooled about your being actually sad about people having gratuitous sex whatever that means. I'll bet you love the superiority buzz of judging him, just as I do judging you. It makes us feel special. The guy is communicating that he isn't dead yet or a TM celibate drone, he wants 200% of his woman and I'm with Pete, he is taking a direct approach. I only hope that the most interesting thing about him is not that he meditated regularly for a long time. I am not fooled by your use of the term morality, you mean prudery. There was nothing immoral in his desire to connect with a person on all levels of life, he mentioned meditating with her first. (personally I would have gone with hot oil massage but to each his own) I guess in the same way that his direct request hit your buttons, your judgment of him hit mine Billy. Prudishness is not virtuousness IMO. It is a scourge on relationships and I have seen it destroy more than a few movement ones. By now any of us adults should be comfortable with the gift of boning. I prefer it in a committed relationship, but I am not confused that this is more than just my preference. But shaming someone looking for a little love in their world seems like a pretty sour, cynical take on life to me. Very tea doillies and dried flowers with arsenic laced in the powdered sugar on the Pfefferneusse cookies. Kinda creepy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey Alan, I like your simple straight ahead approach. Good luck! --- On Mon, 8/4/08, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: From: alan alan.kuntz@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] looking for a t.m meditator companion To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:03 PM hey Im an old t.m meditator single divorced in Oregon What better to place to just put it out here than this. I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-) Hey Im serious ..this isnt a joke.I have been meditating twice a day since june 7 ,1976 and am also a t.m sidha... Take it as it comes Maharishi saith and if it doesnt come go out and get it and if it doesnt exist create it and so here is my attempt at getting this wish fulfilled in the relative.I hope this offends no one. Integrally and spiritually yours truly, Alan Unfortunately, I think this gentleman typifies the moral character of many TM meditators. Since MMY never taught morality and ethics, and many if not most TM'ers adopted TM, *in lieu of Religion*, this is what you get! Character and spiritual development go hand in hand, in case you haven't heard. Maybe if he concentrated on his meditation he wouldn't need gratuitous sex, as this is what it sounds like...sad. :-(
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, I think this gentleman typifies the moral character of many TM meditators. Since MMY never taught morality and ethics, and many if not most TM'ers adopted TM, *in lieu of Religion*, this is what you get! Evidently Billy believes such issues should be kept firmly in the closet. For shame, for openly expressing one's desire for sexual gratification. BIlly, maybe you typlify the moral character of many meditators-a certain denial of sexual urges.
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Yeah well I appreciate your reply and your understanding. I could go onto various kundalini list and reiki list and pan around and scout but I decide to just take the simple effortless approach. Take care and all the best to you too. Alan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Alan, I like your simple straight ahead approach. Good luck! --- On Mon, 8/4/08, alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] looking for a t.m meditator companion To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:03 PM hey Im an old t.m meditator single divorced in Oregon What better to place to just put it out here than this. I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-) Hey Im serious ..this isnt a joke.I have been meditating twice a day since june 7 ,1976 and am also a t.m sidha... Take it as it comes Maharishi saith and if it doesnt come go out and get it and if it doesnt exist create it and so here is my attempt at getting this wish fulfilled in the relative.I hope this offends no one. Integrally and spiritually yours truly, Alan To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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I never mentioned anything about gratitous sex but a mutual and recipricol relationship with a base of meditation practice..pure consciousness and the desire to evolve along with a companion in the same boat. I could have colored my stuff with a little more romance and decency or culture.Its not meant for those who can't handle simplicity and honesty but its meant for those who understand simple as that. Peace my friend. Alan--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey Alan, I like your simple straight ahead approach. Good luck! --- On Mon, 8/4/08, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: From: alan alan.kuntz@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] looking for a t.m meditator companion To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:03 PM hey Im an old t.m meditator single divorced in Oregon What better to place to just put it out here than this. I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-) Hey Im serious ..this isnt a joke.I have been meditating twice a day since june 7 ,1976 and am also a t.m sidha... Take it as it comes Maharishi saith and if it doesnt come go out and get it and if it doesnt exist create it and so here is my attempt at getting this wish fulfilled in the relative.I hope this offends no one. Integrally and spiritually yours truly, Alan Unfortunately, I think this gentleman typifies the moral character of many TM meditators. Since MMY never taught morality and ethics, and many if not most TM'ers adopted TM, *in lieu of Religion*, this is what you get! Character and spiritual development go hand in hand, in case you haven't heard. Maybe if he concentrated on his meditation he wouldn't need gratuitous sex, as this is what it sounds like...sad. :-(
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
My last wife was a pleiadian or at least she had a number of faces. She is definitely into meditation practice now though..God bless her. :-) alan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think he should advertise for a Pleiadian. According to Turq, Pleiadians have four faces. ...but mountain doesn't move! --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] looking for a t.m meditator companion To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:16 PM Hey Alan, I like your simple straight ahead approach. Good luck! --- On Mon, 8/4/08, alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] looking for a t.m meditator companion To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:03 PM hey Im an old t.m meditator single divorced in Oregon What better to place to just put it out here than this. I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-) Hey Im serious ..this isnt a joke.I have been meditating twice a day since june 7 ,1976 and am also a t.m sidha... Take it as it comes Maharishi saith and if it doesnt come go out and get it and if it doesnt exist create it and so here is my attempt at getting this wish fulfilled in the relative.I hope this offends no one. Integrally and spiritually yours truly, Alan To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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-There really are some very big people in here with good hearts full of friendliness ,compassion Now that typifies the morality and ethics of a t.m meditator..Keep on Keeping on and Jai Guru Dev! -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey Alan, I like your simple straight ahead approach. Good luck! --- On Mon, 8/4/08, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: From: alan alan.kuntz@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] looking for a t.m meditator companion To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:03 PM hey Im an old t.m meditator single divorced in Oregon What better to place to just put it out here than this. I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-) Hey Im serious ..this isnt a joke.I have been meditating twice a day since june 7 ,1976 and am also a t.m sidha... Take it as it comes Maharishi saith and if it doesnt come go out and get it and if it doesnt exist create it and so here is my attempt at getting this wish fulfilled in the relative.I hope this offends no one. Integrally and spiritually yours truly, Alan Unfortunately, I think this gentleman typifies the moral character of many TM meditators. Since MMY never taught morality and ethics, and many if not most TM'ers adopted TM, *in lieu of Religion*, this is what you get! So much for the claim that MMY taught celibacy for all... Character and spiritual development go hand in hand, in case you haven't heard. Maybe if he concentrated on his meditation he wouldn't need gratuitous sex, as this is what it sounds like...sad. :-( Not at all judgmental, are we? Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
This is so beautiful it just makes me cry. May all your meditations pass by lickedly split before you even realize it.May you swim and bathe in pure consciousness and know it 24-7 Jai Guru Dev, Alan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, I think this gentleman typifies the moral character of many TM meditators. Since MMY never taught morality and ethics, and many if not most TM'ers adopted TM, *in lieu of Religion*, this is what you get! Character and spiritual development go hand in hand, in case you haven't heard. Maybe if he concentrated on his meditation he wouldn't need gratuitous sex, as this is what it sounds like...sad. :-( Are you gunning for the little old lady of the year award? Did any of your religious ethics guides mention that being judgmental sucks? The dude said he was regular in meditation, what exactly would it mean if he concentrated on his meditation? Did meditation take away your sex drive? And no one is fooled about your being actually sad about people having gratuitous sex whatever that means. I'll bet you love the superiority buzz of judging him, just as I do judging you. It makes us feel special. The guy is communicating that he isn't dead yet or a TM celibate drone, he wants 200% of his woman and I'm with Pete, he is taking a direct approach. I only hope that the most interesting thing about him is not that he meditated regularly for a long time. I am not fooled by your use of the term morality, you mean prudery. There was nothing immoral in his desire to connect with a person on all levels of life, he mentioned meditating with her first. (personally I would have gone with hot oil massage but to each his own) I guess in the same way that his direct request hit your buttons, your judgment of him hit mine Billy. Prudishness is not virtuousness IMO. It is a scourge on relationships and I have seen it destroy more than a few movement ones. By now any of us adults should be comfortable with the gift of boning. I prefer it in a committed relationship, but I am not confused that this is more than just my preference. But shaming someone looking for a little love in their world seems like a pretty sour, cynical take on life to me. Very tea doillies and dried flowers with arsenic laced in the powdered sugar on the Pfefferneusse cookies. Kinda creepy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey Alan, I like your simple straight ahead approach. Good luck! --- On Mon, 8/4/08, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: From: alan alan.kuntz@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] looking for a t.m meditator companion To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:03 PM hey Im an old t.m meditator single divorced in Oregon What better to place to just put it out here than this. I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-) Hey Im serious ..this isnt a joke.I have been meditating twice a day since june 7 ,1976 and am also a t.m sidha... Take it as it comes Maharishi saith and if it doesnt come go out and get it and if it doesnt exist create it and so here is my attempt at getting this wish fulfilled in the relative.I hope this offends no one. Integrally and spiritually yours truly, Alan Unfortunately, I think this gentleman typifies the moral character of many TM meditators. Since MMY never taught morality and ethics, and many if not most TM'ers adopted TM, *in lieu of Religion*, this is what you get! Character and spiritual development go hand in hand, in case you haven't heard. Maybe if he concentrated on his meditation he wouldn't need gratuitous sex, as this is what it sounds like...sad. :-(
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
And another wonderfully enlightened person here.Thanks for being here.I need not say any more for my friends and pure consciouness comrads have said it all. Be well my friends and keep on keeping on! Alan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: Unfortunately, I think this gentleman typifies the moral character of many TM meditators. Since MMY never taught morality and ethics, and many if not most TM'ers adopted TM, *in lieu of Religion*, this is what you get! Evidently Billy believes such issues should be kept firmly in the closet. For shame, for openly expressing one's desire for sexual gratification. BIlly, maybe you typlify the moral character of many meditators-a certain denial of sexual urges.
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never mentioned anything about gratitous sex but a mutual and recipricol relationship with a base of meditation practice..pure consciousness and the desire to evolve along with a companion in the same boat. I could have colored my stuff with a little more romance and decency or culture.Its not meant for those who can't handle simplicity and honesty but its meant for those who understand simple as that. Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? snip I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-)
