[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
Aw hell, Bubba, of *course* Shiva is Satan! They both got pitchforks and a big ol' serpent and oversee loads of demons don't they!? My armchair theory has always been that Shiva may be the Jewish God. Sheva of course is the number 7 in hebrew. The traditional pose of shiva, with braid of hair rising up, arms outstretched to the sides, and one leg tucked under, and one hanging down, traces a star of david. Musings. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
My armchair theory has always been that Shiva may be the Jewish God. Sheva of course is the number 7 in hebrew. The traditional pose of shiva, with braid of hair rising up, arms outstretched to the sides, and one leg tucked under, and one hanging down, traces a star of david. Musings.lurkI always equated Shiva with Jesus As in Jehesua Jehovasha shivoham Pass the butter. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always equated Shiva with Jesus As in Jehesua Jehovasha shivoham Pass the butter. You ever read Alain Danielou's book, Gods of Ecstasy? Very nice correlates between Shiva and Dionysos, whom many others equate with Jesus...:-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always equated Shiva with Jesus As in Jehesua Jehovasha shivoham Pass the butter. You ever read Alain Danielou's book, Gods of Ecstasy? Very nice correlates between Shiva and Dionysos, whom many others equate with Jesus...:-) Correction: Gods of Love and Ecstasy: The Traditions of Shiva and Dionysus ... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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You ever read Alain Danielou's book, "Gods of Ecstasy"? Very nice correlates between Shiva and Dionysos, whom many others equate with Jesus...:-)Correction: "Gods of Love and Ecstasy: The Traditions of Shiva and Dionysus" ... Haven't read it but he's on yahoo groups and I used to read his thoughts at Sri Vidya groups, Shakti Sadhana and a few others. He's still around. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
I used to make love in the broom closet at the bottom near the pottery class. So that's what that bad smell was. Was that you mastebating again in the broom closet? OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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It always had a slight moldy smell to it. --- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the LC is gone now huh? Yup. It's now an empty building site. I liked it. I used to make love in the broom closet at the bottom near the pottery class. And other places there. There was always an LC room not in use. Cool! Prolly the best use the LC ever had. We didn't actually help to pay for the demolition of the LC. The guy who paid for it was out of the country on the day demolition was to begin, and they asked Petra and me to stand in for the photo op. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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So that's what that bad smell was. Was that you mastebating again in the broom closet?OffWorld---Smell is in the nose. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately it is impossible to talk to people like feste37. Like all fundamentalists they over-value their concept of the perfection of the teaching they follow and view all who even remotely fail to cast it in the most glowing terms as unevolved, deluded individuals engaging in vicious attacks. Notice how the whole tone of this thread has shifted to an ad hominem attack on Rick rather than a discussion of the op-ed piece and the rather blatant lies of Pierson and Wallace. Bingo! Rick told the truth; the official spokespersons of the TM movement did not. That speaks volumes, as does the red herring tactics by some here to avoid dealing with it. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Thanks, I'm gettin ' one of Amma!I think one could count on a small, but certain clientele for bobble head dolls along this line.lurk-That's a really great idea! Bobble head Guru dolls. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Mark needs to read my post (Post 62940) to understand the context and reasons why it is being discussed, and hopefully Rick will tell us the full story behind this article ( I just found oout that the writer is a long time Amma devotee). Like I say, I don't care about it, only about someone's motivation behind it which is something they may want to look at for their OWN spiritual evolution modifation. This article means nothing to me. OffWorld Erik Gable is not a long time devotee of amma, he's a staff writer for the Fairfield Ledger who has covered the amma programs in Iowa for the past 2 yrs in such capacity. (Well at least Gable isn't being accused of being a CIA agent.) Give them time. And Rick will be one of his assets. :-) This whole discussion just amazes me. Angry people who don't realize who they're angry at, and why. People who react to a balanced, sensible op-ed piece by raving about stuff that was not in it and never even hinted at in it. I mean, all these conversations should really be saved somewhere and used as material for a course in cultlike ]thinking and how to recognize it and avoid it. Too weird for me... Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
Just to balance the other shit you might have heard here, I'll say what I said before -- I think you wrote a balanced and extremely fair op-ed piece. I wish other articles about non- mainstream spirituality could be a tenth as fair. Unc - Barry Wright --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gable52556 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm the author of the column in Thursday's Ledger. Disclaimer: Everything I'm posting here is my own opinion, not that of my employer. I've learned a few interesting things about myself in the past few days. Apparently I'm a longtime Amma devotee who is engaged in some kind of conspiracy with Rick Archer. To address the first point, I've covered Amma's visit to Mount Pleasant for the past two years. If that makes me a devotee, then I guess I'm a TM devotee as well, because I've spent much more time at M.U.M. events in the past three years. To address the second point, I've met Rick Archer in person maybe four or five times. And, no, he did not suggest this column to me. I do read FairfieldLife on a regular basis, just as I also read Fairfield Community Kiosk and quite a few bulletin boards in town. It's part of the process of keeping abreast of what's going on. Because of this, I've been aware of this issue for some time. A few people expressed interest in knowing how the column came about. At the community meeting hosted last summer by John Hagelin at the Fairfield Public Library, it became clear to me that the university's policy toward the lady saints, as one audience member called them, was a topic of great interest to many people in town. That was the genesis of the column. As Mark Meredith pointed out, the piece was an opinion column, not a news article. It it had been a news story, I obviously would have left my own thoughts out of it. As it stands, any opinions which are directly attributed to Rick Archer, Craig Pearson, etc., are their own. Any opinions which are not attributed are mine. They are the product of three years of observing life in Fairfield. One person said the column should have included interviews with people other than university officials who are happy with the TM movement. I'd like to draw an analogy here. When you read a story about something the president has done, typically the reporter will quote the president, a few of his aides, and a few critics from the Democratic side of the aisle. That way, the reporter tells both sides of the story. Should every reporter who writes a story about the president seek out a half-dozen satisfied Republicans to talk about what a great job they think he's doing? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Mark needs to read my post (Post 62940) to understand the context and reasons why it is being discussed, and hopefully Rick will tell us the full story behind this article ( I just found oout that the writer is a long time Amma devotee). Like I say, I don't care about it, only about someone's motivation behind it which is something they may want to look at for their OWN spiritual evolution modifation. This article means nothing to me. OffWorld Erik Gable is not a long time devotee of amma, he's a staff writer for the Fairfield Ledger who has covered the amma programs in Iowa for the past 2 yrs in such capacity. (Well at least Gable isn't being accused of being a CIA agent.) Give them time. And Rick will be one of his assets. :-) This whole discussion just amazes me. Angry people who don't realize who they're angry at, and why. Wow, once again you are projecting your own anger. I have no anger over this , you are projecting your own. You need to improve your reading and reasoning. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately it is impossible to talk to people like feste37. Like all fundamentalists they over-value their concept of the perfection of the teaching they follow and view all who even remotely fail to cast it in the most glowing terms as unevolved, deluded individuals engaging in vicious attacks. Notice how the whole tone of this thread has shifted to an ad hominem attack on Rick rather than a discussion of the op-ed piece and the rather blatant lies of Pierson and Wallace. Bingo! Rick told the truth; the official spokespersons of the TM movement did not. That speaks volumes, as does the red herring tactics by some here to avoid dealing with it. Unc Then you really don't understand what prjudice is . Opinion is prejudice. That is why they have opinion pieces. Therefore, by the reporters own admission it was prejudice. So whats new, it's common. No problem, as I said to him, it was fine, and he is entitled to his opinion. But the fact that he is a reporter working there and it is easier for him to get an opinion in there, is very dishonest and devious. He used his position to manipulate his prejudice to the forefront. Something I would not do as a reporter. Not that I care about the silly article. I am only interested in clarity fo reasoning. The above is clarity of reasoning and reasonable. You are emotional. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
You've got to be kidding! I wonder if you also think that Fox News is fair and balanced. That piece in the Ledger was a subtle variation on the traditional Fairfield sport of Ru bashing. The twist was that it used the New Rus (the Amma crowd) to bash the old Rus (TMO followers). I had thought that this sport was dying out, but it appears that it is alive and well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to balance the other shit you might have heard here, I'll say what I said before -- I think you wrote a balanced and extremely fair op-ed piece. I wish other articles about non- mainstream spirituality could be a tenth as fair. Unc - Barry Wright --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gable52556 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm the author of the column in Thursday's Ledger. Disclaimer: Everything I'm posting here is my own opinion, not that of my employer. I've learned a few interesting things about myself in the past few days. Apparently I'm a longtime Amma devotee who is engaged in some kind of conspiracy with Rick Archer. To address the first point, I've covered Amma's visit to Mount Pleasant for the past two years. If that makes me a devotee, then I guess I'm a TM devotee as well, because I've spent much more time at M.U.M. events in the past three years. To address the second point, I've met Rick Archer in person maybe four or five times. And, no, he did not suggest this column to me. I do read FairfieldLife on a regular basis, just as I also read Fairfield Community Kiosk and quite a few bulletin boards in town. It's part of the process of keeping abreast of what's going on. Because of this, I've been aware of this issue for some time. A few people expressed interest in knowing how the column came about. At the community meeting hosted last summer by John Hagelin at the Fairfield Public Library, it became clear to me that the university's policy toward the lady saints, as one audience member called them, was a topic of great interest to many people in town. That was the genesis of the column. As Mark Meredith pointed out, the piece was an opinion column, not a news article. It it had been a news story, I obviously would have left my own thoughts out of it. As it stands, any opinions which are directly attributed to Rick Archer, Craig Pearson, etc., are their own. Any opinions which are not attributed are mine. They are the product of three years of observing life in Fairfield. One person said the column should have included interviews with people other than university officials who are happy with the TM movement. I'd like to draw an analogy here. When you read a story about something the president has done, typically the reporter will quote the president, a few of his aides, and a few critics from the Democratic side of the aisle. That way, the reporter tells both sides of the story. Should every reporter who writes a story about the president seek out a half-dozen satisfied Republicans to talk about what a great job they think he's doing? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That piece in the Ledger was a subtle variation on the traditional Fairfield sport of Ru bashing. The twist was that it used the New Rus (the Amma crowd) to bash the old Rus (TMO followers). I had thought that this sport was dying out, but it appears that it is alive and well. I think that's a gross mischaracterization of that editorial, which in no way resembles the kind of blind hate driven, anti-ru bigotry of days past. Kicking people out of the domes because Amma mumbled muh muh muh muh muh while giving them hugs is petty and cultish. It's blatant religious discrimination, and it deserves to have the light of public scrutiny shone upon it. Bravo to Erik Gable for writing it! Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
Responses below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That piece in the Ledger was a subtle variation on the traditional Fairfield sport of Ru bashing. The twist was that it used the New Rus (the Amma crowd) to bash the old Rus (TMO followers). I had thought that this sport was dying out, but it appears that it is alive and well. I think that's a gross mischaracterization of that editorial, which in no way resembles the kind of blind hate driven, anti-ru bigotry of days past. That was precisely my point. It's a new, subtle strain of the virus. Kicking people out of the domes because Amma mumbled muh muh muh muh muh while giving them hugs is petty and cultish. It's blatant religious discrimination, and it deserves to have the light of public scrutiny shone upon it. Bravo to Erik Gable for writing it! Ah. Perhaps Erik will now turn his investigative skills to, say, the attitude of local churches to gays and to gay marriage. This is a topic I know nothing about, but I am sure it would be possible to produce a piece bashing some church or other for its reactionary views, digging up a few disgruntled ex- members to say some negative things, etc. etc. It won't happen of course, because in this town, when you want to attack a local organization, it's almost predetermined which one you aim for. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... he is a reporter working there and it is easier for him to get an opinion in there ... I think this would be a good time to mention that the Ledger welcomes letters to the editor. Letters must be signed, and should be accompanied by the writer's address and phone number for verification purposes. Only the writer's name and hometown will be printed (e.g. John Smith, Fairfield). The full letters policy can be found on the opinion page. Anyone with an opinion on this column -- whether positive or negative -- should feel free to write a letter in response. (In fact, anyone should feel free to write a letter about pretty much any subject.) Letters can be e-mailed to ffledger @ lisco.com; faxed to 472-1916; snail-mailed to P.O. Box 110, Fairfield, IA 52556; or dropped off at 112 E. Broadway Ave. The opinion page runs Thursdays. Any letter that gets here by the end of the day today has a pretty good chance of getting in tomorrow's paper. Any letter that arrives too late for tomorrow's paper will be put in the pile for next week. (Incidentally, we received one letter submitted via our Web site that didn't have a name, address or phone number. The e-mail address that was provided bounced back. If the author of that letter is here, you can e-mail the above address to provide your information if you want it to run in the paper.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah. Perhaps Erik will now turn his investigative skills to, say, the attitude of local churches to gays and to gay marriage. This is a topic I know nothing about, but I am sure it would be possible to produce a piece bashing some church or other for its reactionary views, digging up a few disgruntled ex-members to say some negative things, etc. etc. It won't happen of course, because in this town, when you want to attack a local organization, it's almost predetermined which one you aim for. You feel Erik is being selective in who he's targeting? I certainly don't claim to know what's in his heart or what motivates him, so maybe you're right. But it seems to me that the Amma visits being such huge phenomena (statewide media coverage every year) make that story and the friction with the TMO an obvious topic to cover. Honestly, I can't think of any huge, attention-grabbing stories about any other local religious orgs behaving poorly. Some years ago, in the pre-Erik Gable era, one of the local churches brought a speaker to town named Rabi Maharaj, whose whole schtick was TM-bashing on the basis of TM's incompatibility with fundamentalist Christianity. My recollection was that the town, for the most part, ignored the whole thing. I listened to the guy talking to Jan Michelson on WHO radio, and it was clear to me that he had to dumb down Vedanta in order to compare it to Christianity (for example, Shiva is the destroyer, therefore he's the equivalent of Satan), and IMO, that said a hell of a lot more about his Christianity than Vedanta. There was also a story about gay-themed books in local school libraries, and it did receive local media coverage as well as national coverage, IIRC. But, I don't recall whether any particular church was involved. http://bakerbooks.net/banned_list.asp Am I Blue?: Coming out from the Silence Marion Dane Bauer $5.95 paperback Challenged, but retained at the Fairfield, Iowa Middle School and High School libraries (2000) despite objections to sexually explicit passages, including a sexual encounter between two girls. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah. Perhaps Erik will now turn his investigative skills to, say, the attitude of local churches to gays and to gay marriage. This is a topic I know nothing about, but I am sure it would be possible to produce a piece bashing some church or other for its reactionary views, digging up a few disgruntled ex-members to say some negative things, etc. etc. It won't happen of course, because in this town, when you want to attack a local organization, it's almost predetermined which one you aim for. You feel Erik is being selective in who he's targeting? I certainly don't claim to know what's in his heart or what motivates him, so maybe you're right. But it seems to me that the Amma visits being such huge phenomena (statewide media coverage every year) make that story and the friction with the TMO an obvious topic to cover. Honestly, I can't think of any huge, attention-grabbing stories about any other local religious orgs behaving poorly. Some years ago, in the pre-Erik Gable era, one of the local churches brought a speaker to town named Rabi Maharaj, whose whole schtick was TM-bashing on the basis of TM's incompatibility with fundamentalist Christianity. My recollection was that the town, for the most part, ignored the whole thing. I listened to the guy talking to Jan Michelson on WHO radio, and it was clear to me that he had to dumb down Vedanta in order to compare it to Christianity (for example, Shiva is the destroyer, therefore he's the equivalent of Satan), and IMO, that said a hell of a lot more about his Christianity than Vedanta. There was also a story about gay-themed books in local school libraries, and it did receive local media coverage as well as national coverage, IIRC. But, I don't recall whether any particular church was involved. http://bakerbooks.net/banned_list.asp Am I Blue?: Coming out from the Silence Marion Dane Bauer $5.95 paperback Challenged, but retained at the Fairfield, Iowa Middle School and High School libraries (2000) despite objections to sexually explicit passages, including a sexual encounter between two girls. Alex Yes! Let's hear it for damned democracies and experienced based thinking. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I listened to the guy talking to Jan Michelson on WHO radio, and it was clear to me that he had to dumb down Vedanta in order to compare it to Christianity (for example, Shiva is the destroyer, therefore he's the equivalent of Satan), and IMO, that said a hell of a lot more about his Christianity than Vedanta. snip Aw hell, Bubba, of *course* Shiva is Satan! They both got pitchforks and a big ol' serpent and oversee loads of demons don't they!? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, I'm gettin ' one of Amma! I think one could count on a small, but certain clientele for bobble head dolls along this line. lurk -That's a really great idea! Bobble head Guru dolls. You could have a complete MMY collection, from full-head of dark hair, to almost completely bald with a fringe of white. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hmm. I'd like to know more about that sexual encounter between two girls. Just for research purposes, you understand. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah. Perhaps Erik will now turn his investigative skills to, say, the attitude of local churches to gays and to gay marriage. This is a topic I know nothing about, but I am sure it would be possible to produce a piece bashing some church or other for its reactionary views, digging up a few disgruntled ex-members to say some negative things, etc. etc. It won't happen of course, because in this town, when you want to attack a local organization, it's almost predetermined which one you aim for. You feel Erik is being selective in who he's targeting? I certainly don't claim to know what's in his heart or what motivates him, so maybe you're right. But it seems to me that the Amma visits being such huge phenomena (statewide media coverage every year) make that story and the friction with the TMO an obvious topic to cover. Honestly, I can't think of any huge, attention-grabbing stories about any other local religious orgs behaving poorly. Some years ago, in the pre-Erik Gable era, one of the local churches brought a speaker to town named Rabi Maharaj, whose whole schtick was TM-bashing on the basis of TM's incompatibility with fundamentalist Christianity. My recollection was that the town, for the most part, ignored the whole thing. I listened to the guy talking to Jan Michelson on WHO radio, and it was clear to me that he had to dumb down Vedanta in order to compare it to Christianity (for example, Shiva is the destroyer, therefore he's the equivalent of Satan), and IMO, that said a hell of a lot more about his Christianity than Vedanta. There was also a story about gay-themed books in local school libraries, and it did receive local media coverage as well as national coverage, IIRC. But, I don't recall whether any particular church was involved. http://bakerbooks.net/banned_list.asp Am I Blue?: Coming out from the Silence Marion Dane Bauer $5.95 paperback Challenged, but retained at the Fairfield, Iowa Middle School and High School libraries (2000) despite objections to sexually explicit passages, including a sexual encounter between two girls. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Aw hell, Bubba, of *course* Shiva is Satan! They both got pitchforks and a big ol' serpent and oversee loads of demons don't they!? -Actually, it might be true. There's loads of texts now dealing with Shiva, crowned with the crescent moon as the original hunter gatherer/phallic deity which through the ages made its way to the modern day. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aw hell, Bubba, of *course* Shiva is Satan! They both got pitchforks and a big ol' serpent and oversee loads of demons don't they!? -Actually, it might be true. There's loads of texts now dealing with Shiva, crowned with the crescent moon as the original hunter gatherer/phallic deity which through the ages made its way to the modern day. Yes, and there is some evidence that the Christians borrowed their image of Satan from the horned god of the witches or pagans, who -- as you say -- may well have been remnant worshippers of Shiva- Dionysos. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I listened to the guy talking to Jan Michelson on WHO radio, and it was clear to me that he had to dumb down Vedanta in order to compare it to Christianity (for example, Shiva is the destroyer, therefore he's the equivalent of Satan), and IMO, that said a hell of a lot more about his Christianity than Vedanta. snip Aw hell, Bubba, of *course* Shiva is Satan! They both got pitchforks and a big ol' serpent and oversee loads of demons don't they!? Seems possible that is where part of the image of Satan originated, with the pitchfork and serpent, anyway. Would've been a great way to discourage Christians from looking too closely at alternative religions...It seems the Christians have been at odds with Vendanta for awhile now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clearly Amma is no real saint, or she would have seen that coming to Iowa with her humble ways and humanitarian mov't would make the TMO with its million dollar gold crown ways look bad by comparison which might inspire a local writer to point this out in the local paper which would have the incredibly negative effect of .. of .. of keeping scores of local citizens from getting on their knees and pledging fealty to Raja Wynne and from voting to give much more of their tax monies to support invisible hindu priests out in vedic city, which is the only reason life isn't yet perfect here in fairfield. plus yesterday i saw a couple of women hugging outside the domes, clearly a couple of long term amma devotees attempting to undermine the purity of the teaching. if sat yuga doesn't come tomorrow and this heat wave doesn't break, then gable must be held responsible!! Parallel Universes *Additional war spending this year will push the federal deficit to a record $427 billion* It is obvious that what we as good meditators must do is reach into our pockets just *for fiscal 2005, effectively thwarting President Bush's pledge to begin stanching the* a little deeper, and if we truly wish to bring the pundits here we will. I heard that they *flow of government red ink, according to new administration budget forecasts unveiled* will be here tomorrow!!! *yesterday.* To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Yes, I think most of the ego-centric oppressive self-centered types that used to put me off the TMO have left, and have taken up other gurus and cults to satisfy their need to feel that they can lecture people (many are here on FFL and give themselves Guru type monikers.) OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've got to be kidding! I wonder if you also think that Fox News is fair and balanced. That piece in the Ledger was a subtle variation on the traditional Fairfield sport of Ru bashing. The twist was that it used the New Rus (the Amma crowd) to bash the old Rus (TMO followers). I had thought that this sport was dying out, but it appears that it is alive and well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to balance the other shit you might have heard here, I'll say what I said before -- I think you wrote a balanced and extremely fair op-ed piece. I wish other articles about non- mainstream spirituality could be a tenth as fair. Unc - Barry Wright --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gable52556 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm the author of the column in Thursday's Ledger. Disclaimer: Everything I'm posting here is my own opinion, not that of my employer. I've learned a few interesting things about myself in the past few days. Apparently I'm a longtime Amma devotee who is engaged in some kind of conspiracy with Rick Archer. To address the first point, I've covered Amma's visit to Mount Pleasant for the past two years. If that makes me a devotee, then I guess I'm a TM devotee as well, because I've spent much more time at M.U.M. events in the past three years. To address the second point, I've met Rick Archer in person maybe four or five times. And, no, he did not suggest this column to me. I do read FairfieldLife on a regular basis, just as I also read Fairfield Community Kiosk and quite a few bulletin boards in town. It's part of the process of keeping abreast of what's going on. Because of this, I've been aware of this issue for some time. A few people expressed interest in knowing how the column came about. At the community meeting hosted last summer by John Hagelin at the Fairfield Public Library, it became clear to me that the university's policy toward the lady saints, as one audience member called them, was a topic of great interest to many people in town. That was the genesis of the column. As Mark Meredith pointed out, the piece was an opinion column, not a news article. It it had been a news story, I obviously would have left my own thoughts out of it. As it stands, any opinions which are directly attributed to Rick Archer, Craig Pearson, etc., are their own. Any opinions which are not attributed are mine. They are the product of three years of observing life in Fairfield. One person said the column should have included interviews with people other than university officials who are happy with the TM movement. I'd like to draw an analogy here. When you read a story about something the president has done, typically the reporter will quote the president, a few of his aides, and a few critics from the Democratic side of the aisle. That way, the reporter tells both sides of the story. Should every reporter who writes a story about the president seek out a half-dozen satisfied Republicans to talk about what a great job they think he's doing? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you hate TM so much why do you keep giving them money? I don't hate TM. I think the org is incredibly flawed and completely out of touch with reality. I think TM is a great meditation technique that should be made available at a reasonable price. Clearly, very few people are interested in learning TM for $2500, and I seriously doubt that opening up for business in malls and fancy Peace Palaces will boost sales if the price remains the same. As for giving money, our last donation was for tearing down some pods, and that was a year or two ago. If I wasn't married, I wouldn't be giving money to MUM, but I'm ok with Petra's desire to give money to MUM, provided that it's for nuts'n'bolts kind of stuff, like infrastructure improvements. I'd rather not give money to support invisible pink pandits or other projects where the funds are wired off to International, never to be seen again or ever accounted for. Why is your picture on fundraising materials? Because Petra asked me. My devotion lies with her, not with MMY or the TMO. Besides, taking the first bite out of the LC with that throbbing diesel destructo-cruncher was a friggin' blast. That big-ass grin on my face was real, man. Why are you still married if your a fag? Love. Something you obviously know very little about. Alex --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That piece in the Ledger was a subtle variation on the traditional Fairfield sport of Ru bashing. The twist was that it used the New Rus (the Amma crowd) to bash the old Rus (TMO followers). I had thought that this sport was dying out, but it appears that it is alive and well. I think that's a gross mischaracterization of that editorial, which in no way resembles the kind of blind hate driven, anti-ru bigotry of days past. Kicking people out of the domes because Amma mumbled muh muh muh muh muh while giving them hugs is petty and cultish. It's blatant religious discrimination, and it deserves to have the light of public scrutiny shone upon it. Bravo to Erik Gable for writing it! Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Kicking people out of the domes because Amma mumbled muh muh muh muh muh while giving them hugs is petty and cultish. What does muh muh muh muh muh mean? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Responses below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That piece in the Ledger was a subtle variation on the traditional Fairfield sport of Ru bashing. The twist was that it used the New Rus (the Amma crowd) to bash the old Rus (TMO followers). I had thought that this sport was dying out, but it appears that it is alive and well. I think that's a gross mischaracterization of that editorial, which in no way resembles the kind of blind hate driven, anti-ru bigotry of days past. That was precisely my point. It's a new, subtle strain of the virus. Kicking people out of the domes because Amma mumbled muh muh muh muh muh while giving them hugs is petty and cultish. It's blatant religious discrimination, and it deserves to have the light of public scrutiny shone upon it. Bravo to Erik Gable for writing it! Ah. Perhaps Erik will now turn his investigative skills to, say, the attitude of local churches to gays and to gay marriage. This is a topic I know nothing about, but I am sure it would be possible to produce a piece bashing some church or other for its reactionary views, digging up a few disgruntled ex- members to say some negative things, etc. etc. It won't happen of course, because in this town, when you want to attack a local organization, it's almost predetermined which one you aim for. . Yes, and Kai Druhl's form of fundamentalist Christianiy will not allow people to continue to come to their Seances unless they renounce TM. No-one writes about that cult in FF. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I listened to the guy talking to Jan Michelson on WHO radio, and it was clear to me that he had to dumb down Vedanta in order to compare it to Christianity (for example, Shiva is the destroyer, therefore he's the equivalent of Satan), and IMO, that said a hell of a lot more about his Christianity than Vedanta. snip Aw hell, Bubba, of *course* Shiva is Satan! They both got pitchforks and a big ol' serpent and oversee loads of demons don't they!? Seems possible that is where part of the image of Satan originated, with the pitchfork and serpent, anyway. Would've been a great way to discourage Christians from looking too closely at alternative religions...It seems the Christians have been at odds with Vendanta for awhile now. Yep, they don't cotton to competition either :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kicking people out of the domes because Amma mumbled muh muh muh muh muh while giving them hugs is petty and cultish. What does muh muh muh muh muh mean? It's a meaningless sound whose effects are known :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, and Kai Druhl's form of fundamentalist Christianiy will not allow people to continue to come to their Seances unless they renounce TM. No-one writes about that cult in FF. Ahh, so I guess every religion is *not* compatible with TM...? Or are TMers more expert on Kai Druhl's form of fundamentalist Christianity than Kai Druhl is...? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Because Petra asked me. My devotion lies with her, not with MMY orthe TMO. Besides, taking the first bite out of the LC with thatthrobbing diesel destructo-cruncher was a friggin' blast. Thatbig-ass grin on my face was real, man. Why are you still married if your a fag?Love. Something you obviously know very little about.Alex So the LC is gone now huh? I liked it. I used to make love in the broom closet at the bottom near the pottery class. And other places there. There was always an LC room not in use. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the LC is gone now huh? Yup. It's now an empty building site. I liked it. I used to make love in the broom closet at the bottom near the pottery class. And other places there. There was always an LC room not in use. Cool! Prolly the best use the LC ever had. We didn't actually help to pay for the demolition of the LC. The guy who paid for it was out of the country on the day demolition was to begin, and they asked Petra and me to stand in for the photo op. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Cool! Prolly the best use the LC ever had. -Well, pottery class was instructive, but certainly not as good use by far. Core courses all I guess were ok considering. I used to eat my GF out behind the curtain in Yajnavalkya during class. Oh well, I guess it's best the higher ups don't read all this shit. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kicking people out of the domes because Amma mumbled muh muh muh muh muh while giving them hugs is petty and cultish. What does muh muh muh muh muh mean? We could tell you, but then we'd have to kick you off of FFL. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I do like those dolls of her. I want one. Seriously does anyone know where I can get one? http://www.mothersbooks.org/ Do a keyword search on doll. wondering where I can get a Saniel Bonder doll Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I do like those dolls of her. I want one. Seriously does anyone know where I can get one? http://www.mothersbooks.org/ Do a keyword search on doll. wondering where I can get a Saniel Bonder doll Alex Thanks, I'm gettin ' one of Amma! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip wondering where I can get a Saniel Bonder doll Alex Thanks, I'm gettin ' one of Amma! I think one could count on a small, but certain clientele for bobble head dolls along this line. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I'm the author of the column in Thursday's Ledger. Disclaimer: Everything I'm posting here is my own opinion, not that of my employer. I've learned a few interesting things about myself in the past few days. Apparently I'm a longtime Amma devotee who is engaged in some kind of conspiracy with Rick Archer. To address the first point, I've covered Amma's visit to Mount Pleasant for the past two years. If that makes me a devotee, then I guess I'm a TM devotee as well, because I've spent much more time at M.U.M. events in the past three years. To address the second point, I've met Rick Archer in person maybe four or five times. And, no, he did not suggest this column to me. I do read FairfieldLife on a regular basis, just as I also read Fairfield Community Kiosk and quite a few bulletin boards in town. It's part of the process of keeping abreast of what's going on. Because of this, I've been aware of this issue for some time. A few people expressed interest in knowing how the column came about. At the community meeting hosted last summer by John Hagelin at the Fairfield Public Library, it became clear to me that the university's policy toward the lady saints, as one audience member called them, was a topic of great interest to many people in town. That was the genesis of the column. As Mark Meredith pointed out, the piece was an opinion column, not a news article. It it had been a news story, I obviously would have left my own thoughts out of it. As it stands, any opinions which are directly attributed to Rick Archer, Craig Pearson, etc., are their own. Any opinions which are not attributed are mine. They are the product of three years of observing life in Fairfield. One person said the column should have included interviews with people other than university officials who are happy with the TM movement. I'd like to draw an analogy here. When you read a story about something the president has done, typically the reporter will quote the president, a few of his aides, and a few critics from the Democratic side of the aisle. That way, the reporter tells both sides of the story. Should every reporter who writes a story about the president seek out a half-dozen satisfied Republicans to talk about what a great job they think he's doing? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Mark needs to read my post (Post 62940) to understand the context and reasons why it is being discussed, and hopefully Rick will tell us the full story behind this article ( I just found oout that the writer is a long time Amma devotee). Does the article mention that fact anywhere? If you're correct, and the article didn't disclose it, that's pretty seriously unethical. How did you find out the writer is an Amma devotee? I think someone just mentioned it in a previous post today but I can't find it , so Rick or another Amma person could confirm it or not, but Rick seems to have gone on vacation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Mark needs to read my post (Post 62940) to understand the context and reasons why it is being discussed, and hopefully Rick will tell us the full story behind this article ( I just found oout that the writer is a long time Amma devotee). Does the article mention that fact anywhere? If you're correct, and the article didn't disclose it, that's pretty seriously unethical. How did you find out the writer is an Amma devotee? Mark Meridith mentions it in post 62951 : ... it was an opinion piece on the editorial page, written not by Rick Archer but by Erik Gable, who works for the Fairfield Ledger and has visited the Amma event for the past 2 yrs. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Mark needs to read my post (Post 62940) to understand the context and reasons why it is being discussed, and hopefully Rick will tell us the full story behind this article ( I just found oout that the writer is a long time Amma devotee). Does the article mention that fact anywhere? If you're correct, and the article didn't disclose it, that's pretty seriously unethical. How did you find out the writer is an Amma devotee? Mark Meridith mentions it in post 62951 : ... it was an opinion piece on the editorial page, written not by Rick Archer but by Erik Gable, who works for the Fairfield Ledger and has visited the Amma event for the past 2 yrs. Oh, I did see that. But I didn't take it to mean he was necessarily a devotee. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Sutphen wrote: the whole tone of this thread has shifted to an ad hominem attack on Rick rather than a discussion of the op-ed piece and the rather blatant lies of Pierson and Wallace. I got into this thread late. Is the entire editorial available online? The Ledger truncates its material on the Web. Thanks. It was posted right here on FFL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/62340 Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gable52556 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm the author of the column in Thursday's Ledger. And there is nothing wrong with that, you are entitled to your opinion. To address the first point, I've covered Amma's visit to Mount Pleasant for the past two years. If that makes me a devotee, then I guess I'm a TM devotee as well, because I've spent much more time at M.U.M. events in the past three years. . If you are not biased for Amma (supporter) and against TMO (denouncer) can you please explain the following highly prejudiced and loaded statement: Take a look, for example, at how Amma's admirers describe her. Without exception, they paint a picture of a humble, down-to-earth woman whose charitable projects make an immediate difference for people in need -- a far cry from the TM movement with its trappings of monarchy and its seemingly endless string of grandiose schemes. (Its no big deal to me by the way, I am just interested in being truthful about biases.) One person said the column should have included interviews with people other than university officials who are happy with the TM movement. I'd like to draw an analogy here. When you read a story about something the president has done, typically the reporter will quote the president, a few of his aides, and a few critics from the Democratic side of the aisle. That way, the reporter tells both sides of the story. Should every reporter who writes a story about the president seek out a half-dozen satisfied Republicans to talk about what a great job they think he's doing? That is a terrible analogy and has no relationship. The fact is you are prejudiced against the TMO, and support Amma organization, and did not want to give the opinions of people who are happy with TM who live there. Its your choice. I really don't care. But it actually made your article and opinion weaker. Why would you do that to yourself? OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Mark needs to read my post (Post 62940) to understand the context and reasons why it is being discussed, and hopefully Rick will tell us the full story behind this article ( I just found oout that the writer is a long time Amma devotee). Like I say, I don't care about it, only about someone's motivation behind it which is something they may want to look at for their OWN spiritual evolution modifation. This article means nothing to me. OffWorld Erik Gable is not a long time devotee of amma, he's a staff writer for the Fairfield Ledger who has covered the amma programs in Iowa for the past 2 yrs in such capacity. (Well at least Gable isn't being accused of being a CIA agent.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are not biased for Amma (supporter) and against TMO (denouncer) can you please explain the following highly prejudiced and loaded statement: Take a look, for example, at how Amma's admirers describe her. Without exception, they paint a picture of a humble, down-to-earth woman whose charitable projects make an immediate difference for people in need -- a far cry from the TM movement with its trappings of monarchy and its seemingly endless string of grandiose schemes. That statement summarizes the background for my argument that Amma's popularity in the Fairfield community may stem directly from some of the TM movement's own problems. One person said the column should have included interviews with people other than university officials who are happy with the TM movement. I'd like to draw an analogy here. When you read a story about something the president has done, typically the reporter will quote the president, a few of his aides, and a few critics from the Democratic side of the aisle. That way, the reporter tells both sides of the story. Should every reporter who writes a story about the president seek out a half-dozen satisfied Republicans to talk about what a great job they think he's doing? That is a terrible analogy and has no relationship. Can you explain why it's a terrible analogy? The fact is you are prejudiced against the TMO, and support Amma organization, and did not want to give the opinions of people who are happy with TM who live there. The fact is that White House reporters are prejudiced against President Bush, support the Democrats, and do not want to give the opinions of people who are happy with the president. For the record, I'm not a partisan for the TM movement, the Amma group, or any other group in town. I'm pretty much an outside observer. I'm not from Fairfield, and when I moved here three years ago, I knew next to nothing about the university or the movement. All the opinions I expressed in the column were formed as a result of my observations here, not as a result of any pre-existing prejudice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Mark needs to read my post (Post 62940) to understand the context and reasons why it is being discussed, and hopefully Rick will tell us the full story behind this article ( I just found oout that the writer is a long time Amma devotee). Like I say, I don't care about it, only about someone's motivation behind it which is something they may want to look at for their OWN spiritual evolution modifation. This article means nothing to me. OffWorld Erik Gable is not a long time devotee of amma, he's a staff writer for the Fairfield Ledger who has covered the amma programs in Iowa for the past 2 yrs in such capacity. (Well at least Gable isn't being accused of being a CIA agent.). And he is not into Amma at all? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Mark needs to read my post (Post 62940) to understand the context and reasons why it is being discussed, and hopefully Rick will tell us the full story behind this article ( I just found oout that the writer is a long time Amma devotee). Does the article mention that fact anywhere? If you're correct, and the article didn't disclose it, that's pretty seriously unethical. How did you find out the writer is an Amma devotee? Mark Meridith mentions it in post 62951 : ... it was an opinion piece on the editorial page, written not by Rick Archer but by Erik Gable, who works for the Fairfield Ledger and has visited the Amma event for the past 2 yrs. How do you know that he's actually an Amma devotee? It could just be that he's simply a reporter showing up at a major SE Iowa event. My recollection is that the news media cover that story every year. I gotta say that this is one of the weirdest, most fascinating threads to ever hit FFL. There is certainly no shortage of pushed buttons, projection, and assumptions. Dr. Pete must be having a field day with it. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Mark needs to read my post (Post 62940) to understand the context and reasons why it is being discussed, and hopefully Rick will tell us the full story behind this article ( I just found oout that the writer is a long time Amma devotee). Like I say, I don't care about it, only about someone's motivation behind it which is something they may want to look at for their OWN spiritual evolution modifation. This article means nothing to me. OffWorld Erik Gable is not a long time devotee of amma, he's a staff writer for the Fairfield Ledger who has covered the amma programs in Iowa for the past 2 yrs in such capacity. Yea right. Someone who writes the following is an Amma supporter and anti-TMO: This is one of the most contrived and prejudiced statements I have ever heard any fundamentalist say: Take a look, for example, at how Amma's admirers describe her. Without exception, they paint a picture of a humble, down-to-earth woman whose charitable projects make an immediate difference for people in need -- a far cry from the TM movement with its trappings of monarchy and its seemingly endless string of grandiose schemes. No mention of TM admirers opinions. Only his own prejudiced viewpoint OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Mark needs to read my post (Post 62940) to understand the context and reasons why it is being discussed, and hopefully Rick will tell us the full story behind this article ( I just found oout that the writer is a long time Amma devotee). Does the article mention that fact anywhere? If you're correct, and the article didn't disclose it, that's pretty seriously unethical. How did you find out the writer is an Amma devotee? Mark Meridith mentions it in post 62951 : ... it was an opinion piece on the editorial page, written not by Rick Archer but by Erik Gable, who works for the Fairfield Ledger and has visited the Amma event for the past 2 yrs. How do you know that he's actually an Amma devotee? It could just be that he's simply a reporter showing up at a major SE Iowa event. My recollection is that the news media cover that story every year. Yea right. Someone who writes the following is an Amma supporter and anti-TMO: This is one of the most contrived and prejudiced statements I have ever heard any fundamentalist say: Take a look, for example, at how Amma's admirers describe her. Without exception, they paint a picture of a humble, down-to-earth woman whose charitable projects make an immediate difference for people in need -- a far cry from the TM movement with its trappings of monarchy and its seemingly endless string of grandiose schemes. No mention of TM admirers opinions. Only his own prejudiced viewpoint OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gable52556 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm the author of the column in Thursday's Ledger. snip One person said the column should have included interviews with people other than university officials who are happy with the TM movement. I'd like to draw an analogy here. When you read a story about something the president has done, typically the reporter will quote the president, a few of his aides, and a few critics from the Democratic side of the aisle. That way, the reporter tells both sides of the story. Should every reporter who writes a story about the president seek out a half-dozen satisfied Republicans to talk about what a great job they think he's doing? With respect, that's not such a hot analogy. A more closely parallel story would be one comparing the campaign activities of the Democratic and Republican Parties. In that case you'd quote officials of both parties; or if you were interested in the person-on- the-street angle, voters of both parties; or representatives of all four groups. You wouldn't quote just Republican officials and Democratic voters, or vice-versa. But that's equivalent to what you did in this piece. Granted, this was an opinion piece and not a straight news story, and you were limited in the number of people you could quote. But since the piece took a distinctly anti-TM position, it wouldn't have hurt to bump up the pro-TM representation a bit. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
That's a spirited response but I stand by my points as written. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: feste37 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend This is interesting. It seems that despite his protests that he means the movement no ill, Rick Archer does in fact work behind the scenes to undermine the TM organization. What exactly is behind the scenes here??? The article in question was obviously biased, since it quoted two dissaffected ex-TMers (Archer and Petrick) but did not bother to seek out anyone who is happy with the TMO, relying instead on official spokesmen. First, it wasn't an article, it was an opinion piece on the editorial page, written not by Rick Archer but by Erik Gable, who works for the Fairfield Ledger and has visited the Amma event for the past 2 yrs. Gable quotes both Pierson and Wallace which explains the MUM policy quite thoroughly. Does biased mean anything critical of the TMO?? And Amma's organization was held up as an ideal and used to trash the TMO. (In fact, these two organizations have very different purposes in the world and should not be compared.) Trashed?? Maybe there's a good and cosmic for what the TMO does, but for an average midwestern citizen, like Gable, to be spiritually turned off by the local tmo's fundraising obsession and guys in white robes and golden crowns driving around fairfield in stretch limos should be understandable. The Amma org. is surely not ideal either, but the contrast is stark in this regard. Maybe you expect every single published word on the TMO to sound like a TMO press release?? I think it is fine if people want to promote their own spiritual path, but Rick's decision to do so by encouraging a reporter to present another spiritual organization in a bad light is, shall we say, regrettable. It reminds me of the Christian fundamentalists. They can't just say what they believe; they have to attack what others believe as well. Well maybe Gable will respond here to how the editorial came about, but I think the viewpoints expressed were his not Rick Archer's. Regarding fundmentalists, it's the TMO that kicks people out for even visiting other teachers and that goes ballistic and views as negativity when anyone suggests reasons for its slump for the past 20 yrs (slump other than fundraising that is). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: feste37 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend This is interesting. It seems that despite his protests that he means the movement no ill, Rick Archer does in fact work behind the scenes to undermine the TM organization. What exactly is behind the scenes here??? The article in question was obviously biased, since it quoted two dissaffected ex-TMers (Archer and Petrick) but did not bother to seek out anyone who is happy with the TMO, relying instead on official spokesmen. First, it wasn't an article, it was an opinion piece on the editorial page, written not by Rick Archer but by Erik Gable, who works for the Fairfield Ledger and has visited the Amma event for the past 2 yrs. Gable quotes both Pierson and Wallace which explains the MUM policy quite thoroughly. Does biased mean anything critical of the TMO?? And Amma's organization was held up as an ideal and used to trash the TMO. (In fact, these two organizations have very different purposes in the world and should not be compared.) Trashed?? Maybe there's a good and cosmic for what the TMO does, but for an average midwestern citizen, like Gable, to be spiritually turned off by the local tmo's fundraising obsession and guys in white robes and golden crowns driving around fairfield in stretch limos should be understandable. The Amma org. is surely not ideal either, but the contrast is stark in this regard. Maybe you expect every single published word on the TMO to sound like a TMO press release?? I think it is fine if people want to promote their own spiritual path, but Rick's decision to do so by encouraging a reporter to present another spiritual organization in a bad light is, shall we say, regrettable. It reminds me of the Christian fundamentalists. They can't just say what they believe; they have to attack what others believe as well. Well maybe Gable will respond here to how the editorial came about, but I think the viewpoints expressed were his not Rick Archer's. Regarding fundmentalists, it's the TMO that kicks people out for even visiting other teachers and that goes ballistic and views as negativity when anyone suggests reasons for its slump for the past 20 yrs (slump other than fundraising that is). Unfortunately it is impossible to talk to people like feste37. Like all fundamentalists they over-value their concept of the perfection of the teaching they follow and view all who even remotely fail to cast it in the most glowing terms as unevolved, deluded individuals engaging in vicious attacks. Notice how the whole tone of this thread has shifted to an ad hominem attack on Rick rather than a discussion of the op-ed piece and the rather blatant lies of Pierson and Wallace. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
Why don't you respond to mark's points? You engage in a debate and then bailout when someone responds rationally to your posts pointing oput their short-comings? You're not interested in discussing this, you just take your TB shit and leave. What a pussy! --- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a spirited response but I stand by my points as written. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: feste37 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend This is interesting. It seems that despite his protests that he means the movement no ill, Rick Archer does in fact work behind the scenes to undermine the TM organization. What exactly is behind the scenes here??? The article in question was obviously biased, since it quoted two dissaffected ex-TMers (Archer and Petrick) but did not bother to seek out anyone who is happy with the TMO, relying instead on official spokesmen. First, it wasn't an article, it was an opinion piece on the editorial page, written not by Rick Archer but by Erik Gable, who works for the Fairfield Ledger and has visited the Amma event for the past 2 yrs. Gable quotes both Pierson and Wallace which explains the MUM policy quite thoroughly. Does biased mean anything critical of the TMO?? And Amma's organization was held up as an ideal and used to trash the TMO. (In fact, these two organizations have very different purposes in the world and should not be compared.) Trashed?? Maybe there's a good and cosmic for what the TMO does, but for an average midwestern citizen, like Gable, to be spiritually turned off by the local tmo's fundraising obsession and guys in white robes and golden crowns driving around fairfield in stretch limos should be understandable. The Amma org. is surely not ideal either, but the contrast is stark in this regard. Maybe you expect every single published word on the TMO to sound like a TMO press release?? I think it is fine if people want to promote their own spiritual path, but Rick's decision to do so by encouraging a reporter to present another spiritual organization in a bad light is, shall we say, regrettable. It reminds me of the Christian fundamentalists. They can't just say what they believe; they have to attack what others believe as well. Well maybe Gable will respond here to how the editorial came about, but I think the viewpoints expressed were his not Rick Archer's. Regarding fundmentalists, it's the TMO that kicks people out for even visiting other teachers and that goes ballistic and views as negativity when anyone suggests reasons for its slump for the past 20 yrs (slump other than fundraising that is). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Unfortunately it is impossible to talk to people likefeste37. Like all fundamentalists they over-valuetheir concept of the "perfection" of the teaching theyfollow and view all who even remotely fail to cast itin the most glowing terms as unevolved, deludedindividuals engaging in vicious attacks. Notice howthe whole tone of this thread has shifted to an adhominem attack on Rick rather than a discussion of theop-ed piece and the rather blatant lies of Pierson andWallace. --It's pretty clear that this will be the tenor of the new church founded by MMY and his rajas. Don't expect leniency, or compassion, or balanced viewpoints. Makes one see how Christianity got started as well. An interesting phenomenon, and next life when we all meet again, you guys should make a note how the church remained and even the TM dissappeared. (So don't get pissed then when I bash MMY). They might even replace the TM with charity, haha... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Actually, you are quite wrong about me. I am not a fundamentalist in any way, shape or form. I left the TMO a long time ago and do not even practice its techniques. I follow no teaching given by a guru. I am my own guide. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately it is impossible to talk to people like feste37. Like all fundamentalists they over-value their concept of the perfection of the teaching they follow and view all who even remotely fail to cast it in the most glowing terms as unevolved, deluded individuals engaging in vicious attacks. Notice how the whole tone of this thread has shifted to an ad hominem attack on Rick rather than a discussion of the op-ed piece and the rather blatant lies of Pierson and Wallace. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I said my piece; he said his. What's wrong with that? It seems very fair to me. I'm allowing him the last word. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't you respond to mark's points? You engage in a debate and then bailout when someone responds rationally to your posts pointing oput their short-comings? You're not interested in discussing this, you just take your TB shit and leave. What a pussy! --- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a spirited response but I stand by my points as written. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: feste37 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend This is interesting. It seems that despite his protests that he means the movement no ill, Rick Archer does in fact work behind the scenes to undermine the TM organization. What exactly is behind the scenes here??? The article in question was obviously biased, since it quoted two dissaffected ex-TMers (Archer and Petrick) but did not bother to seek out anyone who is happy with the TMO, relying instead on official spokesmen. First, it wasn't an article, it was an opinion piece on the editorial page, written not by Rick Archer but by Erik Gable, who works for the Fairfield Ledger and has visited the Amma event for the past 2 yrs. Gable quotes both Pierson and Wallace which explains the MUM policy quite thoroughly. Does biased mean anything critical of the TMO?? And Amma's organization was held up as an ideal and used to trash the TMO. (In fact, these two organizations have very different purposes in the world and should not be compared.) Trashed?? Maybe there's a good and cosmic for what the TMO does, but for an average midwestern citizen, like Gable, to be spiritually turned off by the local tmo's fundraising obsession and guys in white robes and golden crowns driving around fairfield in stretch limos should be understandable. The Amma org. is surely not ideal either, but the contrast is stark in this regard. Maybe you expect every single published word on the TMO to sound like a TMO press release?? I think it is fine if people want to promote their own spiritual path, but Rick's decision to do so by encouraging a reporter to present another spiritual organization in a bad light is, shall we say, regrettable. It reminds me of the Christian fundamentalists. They can't just say what they believe; they have to attack what others believe as well. Well maybe Gable will respond here to how the editorial came about, but I think the viewpoints expressed were his not Rick Archer's. Regarding fundmentalists, it's the TMO that kicks people out for even visiting other teachers and that goes ballistic and views as negativity when anyone suggests reasons for its slump for the past 20 yrs (slump other than fundraising that is). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Peter Sutphen wrote: the whole tone of this thread has shifted to an ad hominem attack on Rick rather than a discussion of the op-ed piece and the rather blatant lies of Pierson and Wallace. I got into this thread late. Is the entire editorial available online? The Ledger truncates its material on the Web. Thanks. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I think Mark needs to read my post (Post 62940) to understand the context and reasons why it is being discussed, and hopefully Rick will tell us the full story behind this article ( I just found oout that the writer is a long time Amma devotee). Like I say, I don't care about it, only about someone's motivation behind it which is something they may want to look at for their OWN spiritual evolution modifation. This article means nothing to me. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't you respond to mark's points? You engage in a debate and then bailout when someone responds rationally to your posts pointing oput their short-comings? You're not interested in discussing this, you just take your TB shit and leave. What a pussy! --- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a spirited response but I stand by my points as written. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: feste37 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend This is interesting. It seems that despite his protests that he means the movement no ill, Rick Archer does in fact work behind the scenes to undermine the TM organization. What exactly is behind the scenes here??? The article in question was obviously biased, since it quoted two dissaffected ex-TMers (Archer and Petrick) but did not bother to seek out anyone who is happy with the TMO, relying instead on official spokesmen. First, it wasn't an article, it was an opinion piece on the editorial page, written not by Rick Archer but by Erik Gable, who works for the Fairfield Ledger and has visited the Amma event for the past 2 yrs. Gable quotes both Pierson and Wallace which explains the MUM policy quite thoroughly. Does biased mean anything critical of the TMO?? And Amma's organization was held up as an ideal and used to trash the TMO. (In fact, these two organizations have very different purposes in the world and should not be compared.) Trashed?? Maybe there's a good and cosmic for what the TMO does, but for an average midwestern citizen, like Gable, to be spiritually turned off by the local tmo's fundraising obsession and guys in white robes and golden crowns driving around fairfield in stretch limos should be understandable. The Amma org. is surely not ideal either, but the contrast is stark in this regard. Maybe you expect every single published word on the TMO to sound like a TMO press release?? I think it is fine if people want to promote their own spiritual path, but Rick's decision to do so by encouraging a reporter to present another spiritual organization in a bad light is, shall we say, regrettable. It reminds me of the Christian fundamentalists. They can't just say what they believe; they have to attack what others believe as well. Well maybe Gable will respond here to how the editorial came about, but I think the viewpoints expressed were his not Rick Archer's. Regarding fundmentalists, it's the TMO that kicks people out for even visiting other teachers and that goes ballistic and views as negativity when anyone suggests reasons for its slump for the past 20 yrs (slump other than fundraising that is). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
At least you can't say it's boring here, Erik. :) Sal On Jul 18, 2005, at 4:10 PM, gable52556 wrote: Any opinions which are not attributed are mine. They are the product of three years of observing life in Fairfield.
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gable52556 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are not biased for Amma (supporter) and against TMO (denouncer) can you please explain the following highly prejudiced and loaded statement: Take a look, for example, at how Amma's admirers describe her. Without exception, they paint a picture of a humble, down-to-earth woman whose charitable projects make an immediate difference for people in need -- a far cry from the TM movement with its trappings of monarchy and its seemingly endless string of grandiose schemes. That statement summarizes the background for my argument that Amma's popularity in the Fairfield community may stem directly from some of the TM movement's own problems. Amma is popular among a handful of people in Fairfield, almost all of whom no longer practice TM, like the moderator of this group, Rick Archer, whose posts create the impression of a level of interest in Amma that does not even remotely match the number of people practicing TM in Fairfield (maybe a couple dozen at the outside compared with about 1600-2000 practicing TM). The idea that making huggy-face has some significance indicates the level of intelligence among these TM drop-outs -- it's pathetic (although I do agree that TM management is making a huge mistake by not just ignoring any interest people might take in Amma or any other person). I do like that Amma provides soup kitchens and other help to the indigent, but there are many such organizations which have operated for years and years without significantly transforming the miserable character of human life in this violently unhappy world: life is about more than helping the materially poor. As Jesus said when people complained about the lady who put an expensive oil on Him, the poor you have always with you -- the superior charity is educating people in how to live the fullness of life, which is what MMY has done for the last 50 years. It's not the declared intention of the TMO to be a soup kitchen/hugging booth, but to be offer an easy and universal technique for unfolding total awareness in human consciousness, so that life is not the unhappy struggle that it is now, and if MMY wants to allow, as Jesus did, the anointing of a few kings, it's not an indication of the worth or lack of worth of what the TMO has to offer. Whether or not one agrees with this analysis, there is no competition between Amma and MMY (which of course is why it's so stupid for MUM managers to try to crack down on any interest in Amma and others). One person said the column should have included interviews with people other than university officials who are happy with the TM movement. I'd like to draw an analogy here. When you read a story about something the president has done, typically the reporter will quote the president, a few of his aides, and a few critics from the Democratic side of the aisle. That way, the reporter tells both sides of the story. Should every reporter who writes a story about the president seek out a half-dozen satisfied Republicans to talk about what a great job they think he's doing? That is a terrible analogy and has no relationship. Can you explain why it's a terrible analogy? It's a wrong analogy because on the one hand, you are claiming that there is universal admiration for Amma -- but surely this is not true (although Amma's constituency may be almost completely composed of unthinking people who are unable to give anything but knee-jerk evaluations of what she does). I regard her as a silly woman (not that this detracts from the humanitarian aid she gives in her soup kitchens and other projects), who once said of Maharishi I created him(Rick Archer can verify this quote), more grandiose and stupid a statement than anything you will ever hear from TM's wannabe kings. You regard as balanced the presentation of opinions from MUM administrators, but this is not balanced because it does not represent the thinking of the intelligent segment of the TM community, which has been eradicated from management positions in the TMO. I do not regard you as prejudiced, but the portrait of the TM community that you are presenting in the editorial is not inclusive of all thinking in the community -- although admittedly it's hard for a newspaper to present all nuances of any situation. The fact is you are prejudiced against the TMO, and support Amma organization, and did not want to give the opinions of people who are happy with TM who live there. The fact is that White House reporters are prejudiced against President Bush, support the Democrats, and do not want to give the opinions of people who are happy with the president. For the record, I'm not a partisan for the TM movement, the
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Mark needs to read my post (Post 62940) to understand the context and reasons why it is being discussed, and hopefully Rick will tell us the full story behind this article ( I just found oout that the writer is a long time Amma devotee). Does the article mention that fact anywhere? If you're correct, and the article didn't disclose it, that's pretty seriously unethical. How did you find out the writer is an Amma devotee? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
- Original Message - From: feste37 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend This is interesting. It seems that despite his protests that he means the movement no ill, Rick Archer does in fact work behind the scenes to undermine the TM organization. What exactly is behind the scenes here??? The article in question was obviously biased, since it quoted two dissaffected ex-TMers (Archer and Petrick) but did not bother to seek out anyone who is happy with the TMO, relying instead on official spokesmen. First, it wasn't an article, it was an opinion piece on the editorial page, written not by Rick Archer but by Erik Gable, who works for the Fairfield Ledger and has visited the Amma event for the past 2 yrs. Gable quotes both Pierson and Wallace which explains the MUM policy quite thoroughly. Does biased mean anything critical of the TMO?? And Amma's organization was held up as an ideal and used to trash the TMO. (In fact, these two organizations have very different purposes in the world and should not be compared.) Trashed?? Maybe there's a good and cosmic for what the TMO does, but for an average midwestern citizen, like Gable, to be spiritually turned off by the local tmo's fundraising obsession and guys in white robes and golden crowns driving around fairfield in stretch limos should be understandable. The Amma org. is surely not ideal either, but the contrast is stark in this regard. Maybe you expect every single published word on the TMO to sound like a TMO press release?? I think it is fine if people want to promote their own spiritual path, but Rick's decision to do so by encouraging a reporter to present another spiritual organization in a bad light is, shall we say, regrettable. It reminds me of the Christian fundamentalists. They can't just say what they believe; they have to attack what others believe as well. Well maybe Gable will respond here to how the editorial came about, but I think the viewpoints expressed were his not Rick Archer's. Regarding fundmentalists, it's the TMO that kicks people out for even visiting other teachers and that goes ballistic and views as negativity when anyone suggests reasons for its slump for the past 20 yrs (slump other than fundraising that is). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gable52556 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are not biased for Amma (supporter) and against TMO (denouncer) can you please explain the following highly prejudiced and loaded statement: Take a look, for example, at how Amma's admirers describe her. Without exception, they paint a picture of a humble, down-to-earth woman whose charitable projects make an immediate difference for people in need -- a far cry from the TM movement with its trappings of monarchy and its seemingly endless string of grandiose schemes. That statement summarizes the background for my argument that Amma's popularity in the Fairfield community may stem directly from some of the TM movement's own problems. One person said the column should have included interviews with people other than university officials who are happy with the TM movement. I'd like to draw an analogy here. When you read a story about something the president has done, typically the reporter will quote the president, a few of his aides, and a few critics from the Democratic side of the aisle. That way, the reporter tells both sides of the story. Should every reporter who writes a story about the president seek out a half-dozen satisfied Republicans to talk about what a great job they think he's doing? That is a terrible analogy and has no relationship. Can you explain why it's a terrible analogy? The fact is you are prejudiced against the TMO, and support Amma organization, and did not want to give the opinions of people who are happy with TM who live there. The fact is that White House reporters are prejudiced against President Bush, support the Democrats, and do not want to give the opinions of people who are happy with the president. For the record, I'm not a partisan for the TM movement, the Amma group, or any other group in town. I'm pretty much an outside observer. I'm not from Fairfield, and when I moved here three years ago, I knew next to nothing about the university or the movement. All the opinions I expressed in the column were formed as a result of my observations here, not as a result of any pre-existing prejudice. Erick - I appreciated your editorial and liked what you included and you're probably going in the right direction in your conclusions too. Just to state my biases: 34 yrs TM practice, 30 yrs TM teacher, I've seen Amma once, spent about 5 months in Fairfield, I'm not into vedic raja's in America, but I do like the bagpipers, and I wish the TMO was more transparent. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip, but I do like the bagpipers, Lol ! You perverted masochistic fool. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip, but I do like the bagpipers, Lol ! You perverted masochistic fool. OffWorld LOL - they're just so out of place!~ JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Mark needs to read my post (Post 62940) to understand the context and reasons why it is being discussed, and hopefully Rick will tell us the full story behind this article ( I just found oout that the writer is a long time Amma devotee). Does the article mention that fact anywhere? If you're correct, and the article didn't disclose it, that's pretty seriously unethical. How did you find out the writer is an Amma devotee? Mark Meridith mentions it in post 62951 : ... it was an opinion piece on the editorial page, written not by Rick Archer but by Erik Gable, who works for the Fairfield Ledger and has visited the Amma event for the past 2 yrs. I've visited various organizations over the years. The Dali Lama was in Tucson a while back. Had I visited him, would I be a Dali Lama devotee? I think that people who aren't official devotees shouldn't be accused of bias unless and until they are proven to be biased. Otherwise, we emulate what I think most of us agree is an overreaction by the TMO. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip, but I do like the bagpipers, Lol ! You perverted masochistic fool. OffWorld LOL - they're just so out of place!~ JohnY Lol, yea Amma doesn't have bagpipes ! But I do like those dolls of her. I want one. Seriously does anyone know where I can get one? OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gable52556 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm the author of the column in Thursday's Ledger. Disclaimer: Everything I'm posting here is my own opinion, not that of my employer. [...] One person said the column should have included interviews with people other than university officials who are happy with the TM movement. I'd like to draw an analogy here. When you read a story about something the president has done, typically the reporter will quote the president, a few of his aides, and a few critics from the Democratic side of the aisle. That way, the reporter tells both sides of the story. Should every reporter who writes a story about the president seek out a half-dozen satisfied Republicans to talk about what a great job they think he's doing? If that same reporter is quoting angry rank-and-file Democrats, sure. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
