Re: [FairfieldLife] TM mantras revisited

2016-11-28 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
On 11/27/2016 06:23 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

Calling people *backward* is judgemental.


This from a guy who doesn't like a group that wants to drag the human 
race back to 600 AD? :-D
They may be very well be going through what their dharma expects of 
them, what they need at that very moment in their evolution.


We all play out according to the script.  There is no free will but you 
might as well live as if there is. Enjoy the movie.



Where they end up could put all of us to shame.



*From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Sunday, November 27, 2016 7:52 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] TM mantras revisited

As you know TM would not be my choice to use in schools because it IS 
too expensive and somewhat limited.  My first experience with any kind 
of meditation was in the 5th grade when some of the intermediate band 
members were added to the advanced or high school band.  The teacher 
took us through what we today would call a "guided meditation" of 
imagining a handkerchief slowly falling to the ground. This was an 
attempt to get the kids to quiet down enough to concentrate on playing 
the music.


The problem is that Sanskrit mantras do tend to work very well even 
though they really are just sounds *attributed* to "Hindu gods" which 
in reality are analogs for forces of nature.


As for "missing the boat" I think a lot of people think that about the 
backward.  We should encourage them to move forward.  There are just 
some ideologies that don't fit well into this era.  A lot of 
fundamentalism is interpreting too literally a teaching that was not 
supposed to be taken so.


On 11/27/2016 05:30 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com 
<mailto:mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Equal protection under the law, I would assume. If  public schools 
are going to protect non- Christians from being *harmed* by being in 
the presence of organized prayer what's good for the goose is 
good for the gander.
BTW, it won't just be *fundamentalists* that oppose it. Nearly every 
other sect of main stream Christianity would also.
I'm not exactly sure that you are qualified to say *who has or 
hasn't* missed the boat. Our karma determines our dharma. Is yoga a 
*blessing* to get ahead or is it a blessing to catch-up? Each person 
has it's mission in life. The camp you find yourself in, is probably 
the one you need the most.


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<mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net> [FairfieldLife]" 
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*Sent:* Sunday, November 27, 2016 7:07 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] TM mantras revisited

Why should we care what fundamentalists think?  There are such kinds 
in every religion and they missed the boat a long time ago. They are 
a minority and should never be treated like they are a majority. It's 
not like we keep them from learning anything as it's up to them to 
ask to learn.


On 11/27/2016 04:39 PM, yifux...@yahoo.com 
<mailto:yifux...@yahoo.com> [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Thx again Doug for posting the Smithsonian article on the Quietist 
schools supported by Lynch, under the direction of an apparent 
independent academic party (the independence part is something new 
and unexpectedsince it lends credibility to the science).
Unfortunately, the venture may not go over well as soon as the 
Fundamentalist Christians learn of it. Put yourself in their shoes.  
First step  Google TM Mantras, or "Are TM Mantras Names of the 
Gods". Naturally, they will select the very first entry on top, and 
use that to attempt to discredit the Quietist schools.
...Next, they will gather a group of like-minded Folk to picket the 
schools and put pressure on the local politicians to put a lid on 
the venture, claiming the separation of Church and State (since 
their conclusion will be that the TM mantras are the Names of the 
Hindu Gods, according to the very first google entry that comes up.).
Any TM practitioner knows that when using the mantras, they aren't 
praying to the actual "Gods"; but the reality of what actually 
happens is experientially obscure and beyond the superficial 
understanding of the Fundamentalists. A media frenzy will ensue, 
since the media feeds on superficiality.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] TM mantras revisited

2016-11-27 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
Calling people *backward* is judgemental. They may be very well be going 
through what their dharma expects of them, what they need at that very moment 
in their evolution.
Where they end up could put all of us to shame.

  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 7:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM mantras revisited
   
 As you know TM would not be my choice to use in schools because it IS too 
expensive and somewhat limited.  My first experience with any kind of 
meditation was in the 5th grade when some of the intermediate band members were 
added to the advanced or high school band.  The teacher took us through what we 
today would call a "guided meditation" of imagining a handkerchief slowly 
falling to the ground. This was an attempt to get the kids to quiet down enough 
to concentrate on playing the music.
 
 The problem is that Sanskrit mantras do tend to work very well even though 
they really are just sounds attributed to "Hindu gods" which in reality are 
analogs for forces of nature. 
 
 As for "missing the boat" I think a lot of people think that about the 
backward.  We should encourage them to move forward.  There are just some 
ideologies that don't fit well into this era.  A lot of fundamentalism is 
interpreting too literally a teaching that was not supposed to be taken so.
 
 On 11/27/2016 05:30 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
     Equal protection under the law, I would assume. If  public schools are 
going to protect non- Christians from being *harmed* by being in the presence 
of organized prayer what's good for the goose is good for the gander. BTW, 
it won't just be *fundamentalists* that oppose it. Nearly every other sect of 
main stream Christianity would also.
 I'm not exactly sure that you are qualified to say *who has or hasn't* missed 
the boat. Our karma determines our dharma. Is yoga a *blessing* to get ahead or 
is it a blessing to catch-up? Each person has it's mission in life. The camp 
you find yourself in, is probably the one  you need the most.
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 7:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM mantras revisited
  
      Why should we care what fundamentalists think?  There are such kinds 
in every religion and they missed the boat a long time ago. They are a minority 
and  should never be treated like they are a majority.  It's not like we keep 
them from learning anything as it's up to them to ask to learn.
 
 On 11/27/2016 04:39 PM, yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
    Thx again Doug for posting the Smithsonian article on the Quietist schools  
supported by Lynch, under the direction of an apparent independent academic 
party (the independence part is something new and unexpectedsince it  lends 
credibility to the science). Unfortunately, the venture may not go over 
well as soon as the Fundamentalist Christians learn  of it.  Put yourself in 
their shoes.  First step  Google  TM Mantras, or "Are TM Mantras Names of the 
Gods".  Naturally, they will select the very first entry on top, and use that 
to  attempt to discredit the Quietist schools. ...Next, they will gather a 
group of like-minded Folk to picket the schools and put  pressure on the local 
politicians to put a lid on the venture, claiming the separation of  Church and 
State (since their conclusion will be that the TM mantras are the Names of  the 
Hindu Gods, according to the very first google entry that comes up.). Any TM 
practitioner knows that when using the mantras, they aren't praying to the 
actual  "Gods"; but the reality of what actually happens is experientially 
obscure and beyond the superficial understanding of the Fundamentalists.  A 
media frenzy will ensue, since the media feeds on superficiality. 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] TM mantras revisited

2016-11-27 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
As you know TM would not be my choice to use in schools because it IS 
too expensive and somewhat limited.  My first experience with any kind 
of meditation was in the 5th grade when some of the intermediate band 
members were added to the advanced or high school band.  The teacher 
took us through what we today would call a "guided meditation" of 
imagining a handkerchief slowly falling to the ground. This was an 
attempt to get the kids to quiet down enough to concentrate on playing 
the music.


The problem is that Sanskrit mantras do tend to work very well even 
though they really are just sounds *attributed* to "Hindu gods" which in 
reality are analogs for forces of nature.


As for "missing the boat" I think a lot of people think that about the 
backward.  We should encourage them to move forward.  There are just 
some ideologies that don't fit well into this era.  A lot of 
fundamentalism is interpreting too literally a teaching that was not 
supposed to be taken so.


On 11/27/2016 05:30 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
Equal protection under the law, I would assume. If  public schools are 
going to protect non- Christians from being *harmed* by being in the 
presence of organized prayer what's good for the goose is good for 
the gander.
BTW, it won't just be *fundamentalists* that oppose it. Nearly every 
other sect of main stream Christianity would also.
I'm not exactly sure that you are qualified to say *who has or hasn't* 
missed the boat. Our karma determines our dharma. Is yoga a *blessing* 
to get ahead or is it a blessing to catch-up? Each person has it's 
mission in life. The camp you find yourself in, is probably the one 
you need the most.


*From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Sunday, November 27, 2016 7:07 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] TM mantras revisited

Why should we care what fundamentalists think?  There are such kinds 
in every religion and they missed the boat a long time ago. They are a 
minority and should never be treated like they are a majority.  It's 
not like we keep them from learning anything as it's up to them to ask 
to learn.


On 11/27/2016 04:39 PM, yifux...@yahoo.com <mailto:yifux...@yahoo.com> 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Thx again Doug for posting the Smithsonian article on the Quietist 
schools supported by Lynch, under the direction of an apparent 
independent academic party (the independence part is something new 
and unexpectedsince it lends credibility to the science).
Unfortunately, the venture may not go over well as soon as the 
Fundamentalist Christians learn of it.  Put yourself in their shoes.  
First step  Google  TM Mantras, or "Are TM Mantras Names of the 
Gods".  Naturally, they will select the very first entry on top, and 
use that to attempt to discredit the Quietist schools.
...Next, they will gather a group of like-minded Folk to picket the 
schools and put pressure on the local politicians to put a lid on the 
venture, claiming the separation of  Church and State (since their 
conclusion will be that the TM mantras are the Names of the Hindu 
Gods, according to the very first google entry that comes up.).
Any TM practitioner knows that when using the mantras, they aren't 
praying to the actual "Gods"; but the reality of what actually 
happens is experientially obscure and beyond the superficial 
understanding of the Fundamentalists.  A media frenzy will ensue, 
since the media feeds on superficiality.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] TM mantras revisited

2016-11-27 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
Equal protection under the law, I would assume. If  public schools are going to 
protect non- Christians from being *harmed* by being in the presence of 
organized prayer what's good for the goose is good for the gander.BTW, it 
won't just be *fundamentalists* that oppose it. Nearly every other sect of main 
stream Christianity would also.
I'm not exactly sure that you are qualified to say *who has or hasn't* missed 
the boat. Our karma determines our dharma. Is yoga a *blessing* to get ahead or 
is it a blessing to catch-up? Each person has it's mission in life. The camp 
you find yourself in, is probably the one you need the most.
  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 7:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM mantras revisited
   
 Why should we care what fundamentalists think?  There are such kinds in 
every religion and they missed the boat a long time ago. They are a minority 
and should never be treated like they are a majority.  It's not like we keep 
them from learning anything as it's up to them to ask to learn.
 
 On 11/27/2016 04:39 PM, yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
    Thx again Doug for posting the Smithsonian article on the Quietist schools 
supported by Lynch, under the direction of an apparent independent academic 
party (the independence part is something new and unexpectedsince it lends 
credibility to the science). Unfortunately, the venture may not go over 
well as soon as the Fundamentalist Christians learn of it.  Put yourself in 
their shoes.  First step  Google  TM Mantras, or "Are TM Mantras Names of the 
Gods".  Naturally, they will select the very first entry on top, and use that 
to attempt to discredit the Quietist schools. ...Next, they will gather a group 
of like-minded Folk to picket the schools and put pressure on the local 
politicians to put a lid on the venture, claiming the separation of  Church and 
State (since their conclusion will be that the TM mantras are the Names of the 
Hindu Gods, according to the very first google entry that comes up.). Any TM 
practitioner knows that when using the mantras, they aren't praying to the 
actual "Gods"; but the reality of what actually happens is experientially 
obscure and beyond the superficial understanding of the Fundamentalists.  A 
media frenzy will ensue, since the media feeds on superficiality. 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] TM mantras revisited

2016-11-27 Thread yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
Thx, why care about Fundamentdalists?  It's a personal thing.  I pray for the 
welfare of countless groups of people, and knowledge about what they think 
facilitates overall "understanding" which segues into wisdom.(imo)
 Think of the situation of a doctor treating a patient, but first finding out 
the source of the problem.
 One could extrapolate intoWhy care about (name anything, perhaps 
aardvarks).  Aardvarks and what they experience are an important part of the 
Totality.
 Solely on personal choices but supported by logic (imo), no lines can be drawn 
between the so-called material and the Spiritual, but this no means implies 
Neo-Advaita (which begins to deny the existence of various categories of 
existence leading to a total denial that anything relative exists at all.).
 Thus (just a personal hobby of mine), I like finding out what (especially) 
various Gurus believe, and this quest started first with my involvement in the 
TM Movement long ago; when I began to discover certain inconsistencies in the 
basic message and the behavior I observed.  This led me on an infinite quest to 
discover more about "the truth" (relative truth), and which Teacher had the 
"real" goods..
 There are benefits to this since one (anybody) can be easily led down a rabbit 
hole, and it may take lifetimes getting out.  On occasion, critical 
understanding a decisions may hinge on the meaning a single words, like "both", 
"and", "but", and "maybe" (which I will get into later.).

Re: [FairfieldLife] TM mantras revisited

2016-11-27 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
Why should we care what fundamentalists think?  There are such kinds in 
every religion and they missed the boat a long time ago. They are a 
minority and should never be treated like they are a majority.  It's not 
like we keep them from learning anything as it's up to them to ask to learn.


On 11/27/2016 04:39 PM, yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Thx again Doug for posting the Smithsonian article on the Quietist 
schools supported by Lynch, under the direction of an apparent 
independent academic party (the independence part is something new and 
unexpectedsince it lends credibility to the science).


Unfortunately, the venture may not go over well as soon as the 
Fundamentalist Christians learn of it. Put yourself in their shoes.  
First step  Google  TM Mantras, or "Are TM Mantras Names of the Gods". 
Naturally, they will select the very first entry on top, and use that 
to attempt to discredit the Quietist schools.


...Next, they will gather a group of like-minded Folk to picket the 
schools and put pressure on the local politicians to put a lid on the 
venture, claiming the separation of  Church and State (since their 
conclusion will be that the TM mantras are the Names of the Hindu 
Gods, according to the very first google entry that comes up.).


Any TM practitioner knows that when using the mantras, they aren't 
praying to the actual "Gods"; but the reality of what actually happens 
is experientially obscure and beyond the superficial understanding of 
the Fundamentalists.  A media frenzy will ensue, since the media feeds 
on superficiality.



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[FairfieldLife] TM mantras revisited

2016-11-27 Thread yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
Thx again Doug for posting the Smithsonian article on the Quietist schools 
supported by Lynch, under the direction of an apparent independent academic 
party (the independence part is something new and unexpectedsince it lends 
credibility to the science).
 Unfortunately, the venture may not go over well as soon as the 
Fundamentalist Christians learn of it.  Put yourself in their shoes.  First 
step  Google  TM Mantras, or "Are TM Mantras Names of the Gods".  Naturally, 
they will select the very first entry on top, and use that to attempt to 
discredit the Quietist schools.
 ...Next, they will gather a group of like-minded Folk to picket the schools 
and put pressure on the local politicians to put a lid on the venture, claiming 
the separation of  Church and State (since their conclusion will be that the TM 
mantras are the Names of the Hindu Gods, according to the very first google 
entry that comes up.).
 Any TM practitioner knows that when using the mantras, they aren't praying to 
the actual "Gods"; but the reality of what actually happens is experientially 
obscure and beyond the superficial understanding of the Fundamentalists.  A 
media frenzy will ensue, since the media feeds on superficiality.
 

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