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“it is not just Negroes but all of us, who must overcome the crippling legacy of bigotry,” he really meant all of us, including himself. This also includes many of the informants on FFL who like to call people Hindus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Well, Johnson got a lot of legislation passed. He knew how to deal and had the leverage to do it. He did not use the concepts of transcendent or dharma in that speech. He never struck me as a spiritual person and his use of the word 'God' in the speech seems the perfunctory inclusion that seems to be required in American politics. And probably he only touched up a speech written by his speech writers anyway. Non sequitur. And he was a racist in spite of all of that: Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racist. http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lyndon-johnson-civil-rights-racism http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lyndon-johnson-civil-rights-racism Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racis... http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lyndon-johnson-civil-rights-racism Lyndon Johnson was a racist. He was also the greatest champion of racial equality to occupy the White House since Lincoln. View on www.msnbc.com http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lyndon-johnson-civil-rights-racism Preview by Yahoo The office a man holds sometimes allows him to rise above his baser instincts. However in spite of all this, the events of the last half year or so show that what he accomplished has not erased the problems of race or poverty, of inequality; if anything they have taken on a more intense and subtle mantle of discord in this country. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 2:04 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology LBJ is actually a good example of the rhetoric of leadership within millenarian revolution. [notice spelling with one 'n', not millennial] change. For instance LBJ's articulation of transcendent and larger promises in America of an evolving dharma-like progression of equal rights for all. Gathering people in, see what and how he said it. Read a few of the first few paragraphs where he lays things out and see how he reaches for it in rhetoric. He was quite successful with “The Great Society” and then with civil rights and voting rights legislation in turn. Was a remarkable point of leadership in broad cultural change. Time was ripe and he led rhetorically. Text of “The American Promise”.. President Lyndon B. Johnson's Special Message to the Congress: The American Promise March 15, 1965 http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/archives.hom/speeches.hom/650315.asp President Lyndon B. Johnson's Special Message to the Congress: The American Promise March 15,... http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/archives.hom/speeches.hom/650315.asp President Lyndon B. Johnson's Special Message to the Congress: The American Promise March 15, 1965 [As delivered in person before a joint session at 9:02 p.m.] View on www.lbjlib.utexas.edu http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/archives.hom/speeches.hom/650315.asp Preview by Yahoo You can watch him deliver it on YouTube.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NvPhiuGZ6I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NvPhiuGZ6I ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Anartaxius says here that millenarians, 'they seem to never take the direction and form intended'. Never? It could be well argued that these four millenarians created broad and lasting cultural changes, for instance. It is informative in an examination of organizations and their sociology to look at how in leadership they went about doing it, by contrast. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Yes, Doug, but transformations occur in society almost as a matter of course, but they never seem to take the direction and character that those who believed there was an upcoming transition would have it. So having a belief, which is a pretence to knowledge, one's imagination of what might be or is, is simply a superfluous mental attitude that traps the mind in a particular rut while the world goes on its merry way. Obviously these beliefs, even if they are wrong which they tend to be, do have an influence on the progress of change because they alter a person's behaviour, but the underlying forces of change are not concerned with imagination. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Mao, Maharishi with his 'Ideal Society', even LBj with his 'Great Society', also Roosevelt and the 'New Deal' by effect in culture were the larger 'revolutionary millenarians' of the last Century with their leadership towards creating 'Heavens on Earth'. As a study I find it informative to look at their speeches for the language that activated people
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Yes, Doug, but transformations occur in society almost as a matter of course, but they never seem to take the direction and character that those who believed there was an upcoming transition would have it. So having a belief, which is a pretence to knowledge, one's imagination of what might be or is, is simply a superfluous mental attitude that traps the mind in a particular rut while the world goes on its merry way. Obviously these beliefs, even if they are wrong which they tend to be, do have an influence on the progress of change because they alter a person's behaviour, but the underlying forces of change are not concerned with imagination. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Mao, Maharishi with his 'Ideal Society', even LBj with his 'Great Society', also Roosevelt and the 'New Deal' by effect in culture were the larger 'revolutionary millenarians' of the last Century with their leadership towards creating 'Heavens on Earth'. As a study I find it informative to look at their speeches for the language that activated people and brought people along in revolution, by contrast with a TM movement of this Century which in its own character of leadership has been unable and in decline for 40 years. The contrast around 'inclusiveness' is stark. Millenarianism (also millenarism) is the belief by a religious, social, or political group or movement in a coming major transformation of society, after which all things will be changed.Millennialism http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennialism [by contrast] is a specific form of millenarianism based on a one-thousand-year cycle, which many sects of different religions believe.A Chaney, Princeton.edu http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Millenarianism.html http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Millenarianism.html Revolutionary as an adjective, the term revolutionary refers to something that has a major, sudden impact on society or on some aspect of human endeavor. Dictionary.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Maharishi's Little Blaze-Orange Book Maharishi’s Absolute Theory of Defence | Maharishi University Press http://www.mumpress.com/government-administration/a14.html http://www.mumpress.com/government-administration/a14.html Maharishi’s Absolute Theory of Defence | Maharishi Univ... http://www.mumpress.com/government-administration/a14.html Maharishi offers the indomitable strength of invincibility to the military by bringing military power into alliance with the invincible power of Natural Law. View on www.mumpress.com http://www.mumpress.com/government-administration/a14.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Thanks, you raise really interesting points. Buck spent considerable time looking for form of leadership in inspirational speeches by finding historic famous speeches of historical famous leadership rallying moments. In experiment then transposing them over to try to stem the breech in Dome numbers, you will find those throughout Buck's many contributions to FFL: Washington, Frederick, King Richard, Asad, Chamberlain and others. No, Buck never did Adolf as Adolf is way too loaded to have much of a conversation about. Though that passage in that in the band of brothers movie given by the German general to his surrendering troops Buck did use at a point with good effect against the haters. You hit upon a distracting problem though where people may miss the import of how leadership is done whence there is attribution given. People get easily distracted by attribution, like you did with the Mao attribution. The quotations themselves are real interesting to look at if separated from his name. Yes, he was a miserable administrator and made errors in decisions of governance like some other famous millenarian revolutionaries of the 20th Century we know. But as a revolutionary at a time he was effective in the 20th Century. The Little Red Book is interesting to look at for its study in leadership. It is relevant still in the 21st Century. Your last point about transparency given the nature and speed of data in the internet world is absolutely right. Survival for any group in the modern world is going to be readily marked against ethical behavior. There is no hiding bad behavior.. that is a lot of the wrangling going on now within TM.. how to proceed. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The Little Red Book? Looking at leadership qualities a while ago I got to wondering about Mao's voice of leadership in their revolution and sat down and read his 'quotations', the little red book. I was wondering 'how' he did it? It is quite a tight
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Mao, Maharishi with his 'Ideal Society', even LBj with his 'Great Society', also Roosevelt and the 'New Deal' by effect in culture were the larger 'revolutionary millenarians' of the last Century with their leadership towards creating 'Heavens on Earth'. As a study I find it informative to look at their speeches for the language that activated people and brought people along in revolution, by contrast with a TM movement of this Century which in its own character of leadership has been unable and in decline for 40 years. The contrast around 'inclusiveness' is stark. Millenarianism (also millenarism) is the belief by a religious, social, or political group or movement in a coming major transformation of society, after which all things will be changed.Millennialism http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennialism [by contrast] is a specific form of millenarianism based on a one-thousand-year cycle, which many sects of different religions believe.A Chaney, Princeton.edu http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Millenarianism.html http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Millenarianism.html Revolutionary as an adjective, the term revolutionary refers to something that has a major, sudden impact on society or on some aspect of human endeavor. Dictionary.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Maharishi's Little Blaze-Orange Book Maharishi’s Absolute Theory of Defence | Maharishi University Press http://www.mumpress.com/government-administration/a14.html http://www.mumpress.com/government-administration/a14.html Maharishi’s Absolute Theory of Defence | Maharishi Univ... http://www.mumpress.com/government-administration/a14.html Maharishi offers the indomitable strength of invincibility to the military by bringing military power into alliance with the invincible power of Natural Law. View on www.mumpress.com http://www.mumpress.com/government-administration/a14.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Thanks, you raise really interesting points. Buck spent considerable time looking for form of leadership in inspirational speeches by finding historic famous speeches of historical famous leadership rallying moments. In experiment then transposing them over to try to stem the breech in Dome numbers, you will find those throughout Buck's many contributions to FFL: Washington, Frederick, King Richard, Asad, Chamberlain and others. No, Buck never did Adolf as Adolf is way too loaded to have much of a conversation about. Though that passage in that in the band of brothers movie given by the German general to his surrendering troops Buck did use at a point with good effect against the haters. You hit upon a distracting problem though where people may miss the import of how leadership is done whence there is attribution given. People get easily distracted by attribution, like you did with the Mao attribution. The quotations themselves are real interesting to look at if separated from his name. Yes, he was a miserable administrator and made errors in decisions of governance like some other famous millenarian revolutionaries of the 20th Century we know. But as a revolutionary at a time he was effective in the 20th Century. The Little Red Book is interesting to look at for its study in leadership. It is relevant still in the 21st Century. Your last point about transparency given the nature and speed of data in the internet world is absolutely right. Survival for any group in the modern world is going to be readily marked against ethical behavior. There is no hiding bad behavior.. that is a lot of the wrangling going on now within TM.. how to proceed. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The Little Red Book? Looking at leadership qualities a while ago I got to wondering about Mao's voice of leadership in their revolution and sat down and read his 'quotations', the little red book. I was wondering 'how' he did it? It is quite a tight organizational prompting and type of capable leadership. Seemed something that our own movement has been missing for quite a few years. In process I did a mash-up of “Mao in to TM” to see how it sounded. Showing it around to local folks here, if they are not first prejudiced by knowing the quotations come from Mao, they generally recognize it as effective leadership that we do not have and could wish for in our own movement organization. Did you ever have the same idea about 'Mein Kampf' of Adolf Hitler? About Mao: His policies caused the deaths of tens of millions of people during his 27-year reign, more than any other Twentieth Century leader... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#Legacy
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Doug, if I may pull a Judy on you, I said that (in slightly different words) the changes that occur in society seem to not turn out the way the drivers of change intended. I did not use the word 'millenarians' because most who have been the fount of ideas for change seldom used a 1,000 year cycle as their goal post. Millenarians are just a small subset of all those who desire and imagine change. For example, Lyndon Johnson's 'Great Society' had much more immediate goals, as did the 'New Deal' of Roosevelt. Many of the programs set up in the 'New Deal' and in the 'Great Society' appear to be leading to a profound fiscal crisis for the United States, as is now happening in Greece, where government programs there have resulted in a situation where they can only be maintained by borrowing money from other countries, but there is a limit on how long that is viable. It seems almost certain now that Greece will be forced out of the European Union as a result and be forced to print their own currency, which will then devalue rather rapidly for a while. This kind of ostentatious 'millenarial' thinking tends to lead to disaster in the longer run. Sometimes I think millinarians develop because their immediate goals, such as 'to develop the full potential of the individual; improve governmental achievements; realize the highest ideal of education; eliminate the problems of crime and all behaviour that brings unhappiness to the family of man; maximize the intelligent use of the environment; bring fulfilment to the economic aspirations of individuals and society; and achieve the spiritual goals of mankind in this generation', failed to happen and so they let the fulfilment day slide off into the future a bit, and then a bit more, and then quite a bit more. Early Christians expected the return of Christ rather immediately, but now that date has slide off the scales at about 2,000 years, and it keeps slipping. Millenarians are incompetent time keepers, because they are out of touch with reality even more than the average Joe who has more immediate goals within his/her lifetime. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology Anartaxiussays here that millenarians, 'they seem to never take the directionand form intended'. Never? It could be well argued that these fourmillenarians created broad and lasting cultural changes, forinstance. It is informative in an examination of organizations andtheir sociology to look at how in leadership they went about doingit, by contrast. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Yes, Doug, but transformations occur in society almost as a matter of course, but they never seem to take the direction and character that those who believed there was an upcoming transition would have it. So having a belief, which is a pretence to knowledge, one's imagination of what might be or is, is simply a superfluous mental attitude that traps the mind in a particular rut while the world goes on its merry way. Obviously these beliefs, even if they are wrong which they tend to be, do have an influence on the progress of change because they alter a person's behaviour, but the underlying forces of change are not concerned with imagination. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Mao, Maharishi with his 'Ideal Society', even LBj with his 'Great Society', also Roosevelt and the 'New Deal' by effect in culture were the larger 'revolutionary millenarians' of the last Century with their leadership towards creating 'Heavens on Earth'. As a study I find it informative to look at their speeches for the language that activated people and brought people along in revolution, by contrast with a TM movement of this Century which in its own character of leadership has been unable and in decline for 40 years. The contrast around 'inclusiveness' is stark. Millenarianism (also millenarism)is the belief by a religious, social, or political group or movementin a coming major transformation of society, after which all thingswill be changed. Millennialism [by contrast] isa specific form of millenarianism based on a one-thousand-year cycle,which many sects of different religions believe. AChaney, Princeton.edu http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Millenarianism.html Revolutionary as an adjective, the term revolutionary refers to something that has amajor, sudden impact on society or on some aspect of human endeavor.Dictionary.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Maharishi's Little Blaze-Orange Book Maharishi’s Absolute Theory of Defence | Maharishi University Press | | | | | | Maharishi’s Absolute Theory of Defence
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Anartaxius says here that millenarians, 'they seem to never take the direction and form intended'. Never? It could be well argued that these four millenarians created broad and lasting cultural changes, for instance. It is informative in an examination of organizations and their sociology to look at how in leadership they went about doing it, by contrast. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Yes, Doug, but transformations occur in society almost as a matter of course, but they never seem to take the direction and character that those who believed there was an upcoming transition would have it. So having a belief, which is a pretence to knowledge, one's imagination of what might be or is, is simply a superfluous mental attitude that traps the mind in a particular rut while the world goes on its merry way. Obviously these beliefs, even if they are wrong which they tend to be, do have an influence on the progress of change because they alter a person's behaviour, but the underlying forces of change are not concerned with imagination. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Mao, Maharishi with his 'Ideal Society', even LBj with his 'Great Society', also Roosevelt and the 'New Deal' by effect in culture were the larger 'revolutionary millenarians' of the last Century with their leadership towards creating 'Heavens on Earth'. As a study I find it informative to look at their speeches for the language that activated people and brought people along in revolution, by contrast with a TM movement of this Century which in its own character of leadership has been unable and in decline for 40 years. The contrast around 'inclusiveness' is stark. Millenarianism (also millenarism) is the belief by a religious, social, or political group or movement in a coming major transformation of society, after which all things will be changed.Millennialism http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennialism [by contrast] is a specific form of millenarianism based on a one-thousand-year cycle, which many sects of different religions believe.A Chaney, Princeton.edu http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Millenarianism.html http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Millenarianism.html Revolutionary as an adjective, the term revolutionary refers to something that has a major, sudden impact on society or on some aspect of human endeavor. Dictionary.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Maharishi's Little Blaze-Orange Book Maharishi’s Absolute Theory of Defence | Maharishi University Press http://www.mumpress.com/government-administration/a14.html http://www.mumpress.com/government-administration/a14.html Maharishi’s Absolute Theory of Defence | Maharishi Univ... http://www.mumpress.com/government-administration/a14.html Maharishi offers the indomitable strength of invincibility to the military by bringing military power into alliance with the invincible power of Natural Law. View on www.mumpress.com http://www.mumpress.com/government-administration/a14.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Thanks, you raise really interesting points. Buck spent considerable time looking for form of leadership in inspirational speeches by finding historic famous speeches of historical famous leadership rallying moments. In experiment then transposing them over to try to stem the breech in Dome numbers, you will find those throughout Buck's many contributions to FFL: Washington, Frederick, King Richard, Asad, Chamberlain and others. No, Buck never did Adolf as Adolf is way too loaded to have much of a conversation about. Though that passage in that in the band of brothers movie given by the German general to his surrendering troops Buck did use at a point with good effect against the haters. You hit upon a distracting problem though where people may miss the import of how leadership is done whence there is attribution given. People get easily distracted by attribution, like you did with the Mao attribution. The quotations themselves are real interesting to look at if separated from his name. Yes, he was a miserable administrator and made errors in decisions of governance like some other famous millenarian revolutionaries of the 20th Century we know. But as a revolutionary at a time he was effective in the 20th Century. The Little Red Book is interesting to look at for its study in leadership. It is relevant still in the 21st Century. Your last point about transparency given the nature and speed of data in the internet world is absolutely right. Survival for any group in the modern world is going to be readily marked against ethical behavior. There is no hiding bad
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Millennialism http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennialism [by contrast] is a specific form of millenarianism based on a one-thousand-year cycle, which many sects of different religions believe.A Chaney, Princeton.edu Here is another human characteristic, simplifying things according to round numbers. We have 10 fingers and a 10-base number system, and we have a baseline year of one orbit around the sun (which was explained differently before we knew about orbits) and we multiply that year by 10 and by 10x10 (100) and by 10x10x10 (1000) but except for the base year, these intervals are arbitrarily forced by the number system. If we had had a 2-base number system (binary) we would have xo (2), xoo (4) and xooo (8), and so on. In a 2-base system we could have a 1024 year cycle (as it would appear in a 10-base system). If we had a 3-base number system we could have a 729-year cycle (3x3x3x3x3x3x3) or a 2187-year cycle (3x3x3x3x3x3x3x3). These nice round figures are mostly arbitrary artefacts of the way we think which is derived partly from our physical structure, that we count on our fingers. The length of the year on Earth also varies slightly today, and its length is basically derived from the rotation of the Earth around its axis, one day, and how many of those days is needed to complete and orbit. This changes every year too, the day getting a bit longer each year. Based on physics and mathematics and gravitational dynamics involving tides and the Moon, it has been calculated that the day of the early Earth was about 6 hours long 4.5 billion years ago, and about 21 to 22 hours long 620 million years ago (this latter figure has been replicated using other methods as well). so if we had been graced with just one arm instead of two, we might have ended up with 625-year or 3125-year 'milleniums'.
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LBJ is actually a good example of the rhetoric of leadership within millenarian revolution. [notice spelling with one 'n', not millennial] change. For instance LBJ's articulation of transcendent and larger promises in America of an evolving dharma-like progression of equal rights for all. Gathering people in, see what and how he said it. Read a few of the first few paragraphs where he lays things out and see how he reaches for it in rhetoric. He was quite successful with “The Great Society” and then with civil rights and voting rights legislation in turn. Was a remarkable point of leadership in broad cultural change. Time was ripe and he led rhetorically. Text of “The American Promise”.. President Lyndon B. Johnson's Special Message to the Congress: The American Promise March 15, 1965 http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/archives.hom/speeches.hom/650315.asp President Lyndon B. Johnson's Special Message to the Congress: The American Promise March 15,... http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/archives.hom/speeches.hom/650315.asp President Lyndon B. Johnson's Special Message to the Congress: The American Promise March 15, 1965 [As delivered in person before a joint session at 9:02 p.m.] View on www.lbjlib.utexas.edu http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/archives.hom/speeches.hom/650315.asp Preview by Yahoo You can watch him deliver it on YouTube.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NvPhiuGZ6I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NvPhiuGZ6I ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Anartaxius says here that millenarians, 'they seem to never take the direction and form intended'. Never? It could be well argued that these four millenarians created broad and lasting cultural changes, for instance. It is informative in an examination of organizations and their sociology to look at how in leadership they went about doing it, by contrast. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Yes, Doug, but transformations occur in society almost as a matter of course, but they never seem to take the direction and character that those who believed there was an upcoming transition would have it. So having a belief, which is a pretence to knowledge, one's imagination of what might be or is, is simply a superfluous mental attitude that traps the mind in a particular rut while the world goes on its merry way. Obviously these beliefs, even if they are wrong which they tend to be, do have an influence on the progress of change because they alter a person's behaviour, but the underlying forces of change are not concerned with imagination. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Mao, Maharishi with his 'Ideal Society', even LBj with his 'Great Society', also Roosevelt and the 'New Deal' by effect in culture were the larger 'revolutionary millenarians' of the last Century with their leadership towards creating 'Heavens on Earth'. As a study I find it informative to look at their speeches for the language that activated people and brought people along in revolution, by contrast with a TM movement of this Century which in its own character of leadership has been unable and in decline for 40 years. The contrast around 'inclusiveness' is stark. Millenarianism (also millenarism) is the belief by a religious, social, or political group or movement in a coming major transformation of society, after which all things will be changed.Millennialism http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennialism [by contrast] is a specific form of millenarianism based on a one-thousand-year cycle, which many sects of different religions believe.A Chaney, Princeton.edu http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Millenarianism.html http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Millenarianism.html Revolutionary as an adjective, the term revolutionary refers to something that has a major, sudden impact on society or on some aspect of human endeavor. Dictionary.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Maharishi's Little Blaze-Orange Book Maharishi’s Absolute Theory of Defence | Maharishi University Press http://www.mumpress.com/government-administration/a14.html http://www.mumpress.com/government-administration/a14.html Maharishi’s Absolute Theory of Defence | Maharishi Univ... http://www.mumpress.com/government-administration/a14.html Maharishi offers the indomitable strength of invincibility to the military by bringing military power into alliance with the invincible power of Natural Law. View on www.mumpress.com http://www.mumpress.com/government-administration/a14.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Thanks, you raise really interesting points. Buck spent
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Well, Johnson got a lot of legislation passed. He knew how to deal and had the leverage to do it. He did not use the concepts of transcendent or dharma in that speech. He never struck me as a spiritual person and his use of the word 'God' in the speech seems the perfunctory inclusion that seems to be required in American politics. And probably he only touched up a speech written by his speech writers anyway. And he was a racist in spite of all of that: Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racist. | | | | | | | | | | | Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racis...Lyndon Johnson was a racist. He was also the greatest champion of racial equality to occupy the White House since Lincoln. | | | | View on www.msnbc.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | The office a man holds sometimes allows him to rise above his baser instincts. However in spite of all this, the events of the last half year or so show that what he accomplished has not erased the problems of race or poverty, of inequality; if anything they have taken on a more intense and subtle mantle of discord in this country. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 2:04 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology LBJ is actually a good exampleof the rhetoric of leadership within millenarian revolution. [notice spelling with one 'n', not millennial] change. For instance LBJ's articulationof transcendent and larger promises in America of an evolvingdharma-like progression of equal rights for all. Gathering peoplein, see what and how he said it. Read a few of the first fewparagraphs where he lays things out and see how he reaches for it inrhetoric. He was quite successful with “The Great Society” andthen with civil rights and voting rights legislation in turn. Was aremarkable point of leadership in broad cultural change. Time was ripeand he led rhetorically. Text of “The AmericanPromise”.. President Lyndon B. Johnson's Special Message to the Congress: The American Promise March 15, 1965 || || President Lyndon B. Johnson's Special Message to the Congress: The American Promise March 15,... President Lyndon B. Johnson's Special Message to the Congress: The American Promise March 15, 1965 [As delivered in person before a joint session at 9:02 p.m.] || | View on www.lbjlib.utexas.edu |Preview by Yahoo| || You can watch him deliver it on YouTube.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NvPhiuGZ6I ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Anartaxiussays here that millenarians, 'they seem to never take the directionand form intended'. Never? It could be well argued that these fourmillenarians created broad and lasting cultural changes, forinstance. It is informative in an examination of organizations andtheir sociology to look at how in leadership they went about doingit, by contrast. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Yes, Doug, but transformations occur in society almost as a matter of course, but they never seem to take the direction and character that those who believed there was an upcoming transition would have it. So having a belief, which is a pretence to knowledge, one's imagination of what might be or is, is simply a superfluous mental attitude that traps the mind in a particular rut while the world goes on its merry way. Obviously these beliefs, even if they are wrong which they tend to be, do have an influence on the progress of change because they alter a person's behaviour, but the underlying forces of change are not concerned with imagination. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Mao, Maharishi with his 'Ideal Society', even LBj with his 'Great Society', also Roosevelt and the 'New Deal' by effect in culture were the larger 'revolutionary millenarians' of the last Century with their leadership towards creating 'Heavens on Earth'. As a study I find it informative to look at their speeches for the language that activated people and brought people along in revolution, by contrast with a TM movement of this Century which in its own character of leadership has been unable and in decline for 40 years. The contrast around 'inclusiveness' is stark. Millenarianism (also millenarism)is the belief by a religious, social, or political group or movementin a coming major transformation of society, after which all thingswill be changed. Millennialism [by contrast] isa specific form of millenarianism based on a one-thousand-year cycle,which many sects of different religions believe. AChaney, Princeton.edu http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Millenarianism.html Revolutionary as an adjective, the term revolutionary refers to something that has amajor
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Yep,residing in that great transcendence of inalienable human right I say, 'Jai! Lyndon Banes Johnson'! As I say 'Jai Maharishi Mahesh Yogi! Maharishi saying, Anyone who can think, can meditate. Jai! for both of their coming along and having pluck enough as millenarists and revolutionaries to stand forward in our times. Evidently at a time LBJ was quite successful with his Great Society and quite evidently with a lasting effect. LBJ: Our mission is at once the oldest and the most basic of this country: to right wrong, to do justice, to serve man. I urge every member of both parties, Americans of all religions and of all colors, from every section of this country, to join me in that cause. “And should we defeat every enemy, should we double our wealth and conquer the stars, and still be unequal to this issue, then we will have failed as a people and as a nation. For with a country as with a person, What is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul ? “This was the first nation in the history of the world to be founded with a purpose. The great phrases of that purpose still sound in every American heart, North and South: All men are created equal—government by consent of the governed—give me liberty or give me death. Well, those are not just clever words, or those are not just empty theories. In their name Americans have fought and died for two centuries,” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : LBJ is actually a good example of the rhetoric of leadership within millenarian revolution. [notice spelling with one 'n', not millennial] change. For instance LBJ's articulation of transcendent and larger promises in America of an evolving dharma-like progression of equal rights for all. Gathering people in, see what and how he said it. Read a few of the first few paragraphs where he lays things out and see how he reaches for it in rhetoric. He was quite successful with “The Great Society” and then with civil rights and voting rights legislation in turn. Was a remarkable point of leadership in broad cultural change. Time was ripe and he led rhetorically. Text of “The American Promise”.. President Lyndon B. Johnson's Special Message to the Congress: The American Promise March 15, 1965 http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/archives.hom/speeches.hom/650315.asp President Lyndon B. Johnson's Special Message to the Congress: The American Promise March 15,... http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/archives.hom/speeches.hom/650315.asp President Lyndon B. Johnson's Special Message to the Congress: The American Promise March 15, 1965 [As delivered in person before a joint session at 9:02 p.m.] View on www.lbjlib.utexas.edu http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/archives.hom/speeches.hom/650315.asp Preview by Yahoo You can watch him deliver it on YouTube.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NvPhiuGZ6I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NvPhiuGZ6I ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Anartaxius says here that millenarians, 'they seem to never take the direction and form intended'. Never? It could be well argued that these four millenarians created broad and lasting cultural changes, for instance. It is informative in an examination of organizations and their sociology to look at how in leadership they went about doing it, by contrast. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Yes, Doug, but transformations occur in society almost as a matter of course, but they never seem to take the direction and character that those who believed there was an upcoming transition would have it. So having a belief, which is a pretence to knowledge, one's imagination of what might be or is, is simply a superfluous mental attitude that traps the mind in a particular rut while the world goes on its merry way. Obviously these beliefs, even if they are wrong which they tend to be, do have an influence on the progress of change because they alter a person's behaviour, but the underlying forces of change are not concerned with imagination. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Mao, Maharishi with his 'Ideal Society', even LBj with his 'Great Society', also Roosevelt and the 'New Deal' by effect in culture were the larger 'revolutionary millenarians' of the last Century with their leadership towards creating 'Heavens on Earth'. As a study I find it informative to look at their speeches for the language that activated people and brought people along in revolution, by contrast with a TM movement of this Century which in its own character of leadership has been unable and in decline for 40 years. The contrast around 'inclusiveness' is stark. Millenarianism (also millenarism) is the belief by a religious, social, or political group or movement in a coming major transformation of society, after which all things will be
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Maharishi's Little Blaze-Orange Book Maharishi’s Absolute Theory of Defence | Maharishi University Press http://www.mumpress.com/government-administration/a14.html http://www.mumpress.com/government-administration/a14.html Maharishi’s Absolute Theory of Defence | Maharishi Univ... http://www.mumpress.com/government-administration/a14.html Maharishi offers the indomitable strength of invincibility to the military by bringing military power into alliance with the invincible power of Natural Law. View on www.mumpress.com http://www.mumpress.com/government-administration/a14.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Thanks, you raise really interesting points. Buck spent considerable time looking for form of leadership in inspirational speeches by finding historic famous speeches of historical famous leadership rallying moments. In experiment then transposing them over to try to stem the breech in Dome numbers, you will find those throughout Buck's many contributions to FFL: Washington, Frederick, King Richard, Asad, Chamberlain and others. No, Buck never did Adolf as Adolf is way too loaded to have much of a conversation about. Though that passage in that in the band of brothers movie given by the German general to his surrendering troops Buck did use at a point with good effect against the haters. You hit upon a distracting problem though where people may miss the import of how leadership is done whence there is attribution given. People get easily distracted by attribution, like you did with the Mao attribution. The quotations themselves are real interesting to look at if separated from his name. Yes, he was a miserable administrator and made errors in decisions of governance like some other famous millenarian revolutionaries of the 20th Century we know. But as a revolutionary at a time he was effective in the 20th Century. The Little Red Book is interesting to look at for its study in leadership. It is relevant still in the 21st Century. Your last point about transparency given the nature and speed of data in the internet world is absolutely right. Survival for any group in the modern world is going to be readily marked against ethical behavior. There is no hiding bad behavior.. that is a lot of the wrangling going on now within TM.. how to proceed. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The Little Red Book? Looking at leadership qualities a while ago I got to wondering about Mao's voice of leadership in their revolution and sat down and read his 'quotations', the little red book. I was wondering 'how' he did it? It is quite a tight organizational prompting and type of capable leadership. Seemed something that our own movement has been missing for quite a few years. In process I did a mash-up of “Mao in to TM” to see how it sounded. Showing it around to local folks here, if they are not first prejudiced by knowing the quotations come from Mao, they generally recognize it as effective leadership that we do not have and could wish for in our own movement organization. Did you ever have the same idea about 'Mein Kampf' of Adolf Hitler? About Mao: His policies caused the deaths of tens of millions of people during his 27-year reign, more than any other Twentieth Century leader... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#Legacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#Legacy Maybe at the time of Mao it was possible to clue people together by a single book, and to mass control peoples thoughts. This time is over now, with the advent of the Internet transparency has increased so much, that it will be hard to control people in the same way. Finally, the TMO has to come to realize this too, all the TM secrets are written down in the Internet. Deal with it. # All we are saying is let's give peace a chance. John Lennon- Give Peace a Chance with Lyrics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhyiqGIJQus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhyiqGIJQus John Lennon- Give Peace a Chance with Lyrics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhyiqGIJQus Give Peace a Chance by John Lennon with Lyrics :) The music in this video does not belong to me View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhyiqGIJQus Preview by Yahoo
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Thanks, you raise really interesting points. Buck spent considerable time looking for form of leadership in inspirational speeches by finding historic famous speeches of historical famous leadership rallying moments. In experiment then transposing them over to try to stem the breech in Dome numbers, you will find those throughout Buck's many contributions to FFL: Washington, Frederick, King Richard, Asad, Chamberlain and others. No, Buck never did Adolf as Adolf is way too loaded to have much of a conversation about. Though that passage in that in the band of brothers movie given by the German general to his surrendering troops Buck did use at a point with good effect against the haters. You hit upon a distracting problem though where people may miss the import of how leadership is done whence there is attribution given. People get easily distracted by attribution, like you did with the Mao attribution. The quotations themselves are real interesting to look at if separated from his name. Yes, he was a miserable administrator and made errors in decisions of governance like some other famous millenarian revolutionaries of the 20th Century we know. But as a revolutionary at a time he was effective in the 20th Century. The Little Red Book is interesting to look at for its study in leadership. It is relevant still in the 21st Century. Your last point about transparency given the nature and speed of data in the internet world is absolutely right. Survival for any group in the modern world is going to be readily marked against ethical behavior. There is no hiding bad behavior.. that is a lot of the wrangling going on now within TM.. how to proceed. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Showing it around to local folks here, if they are not first prejudiced by knowing the quotations come from Mao, they generally recognize it as effective leadership that we do not have and could wish for in our own movement organization. Did you ever have the same idea about 'Mein Kampf' of Adolf Hitler? About Mao: His policies caused the deaths of tens of millions of people during his 27-year reign, more than any other Twentieth Century leader... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#Legacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#Legacy Maybe at the time of Mao it was possible to clue people together by a single book, and to mass control peoples thoughts. This time is over now, with the advent of the Internet transparency has increased so much, that it will be hard to control people in the same way. Finally, the TMO has to come to realize this too, all the TM secrets are written down in the Internet. Deal with it.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Look Aryavazhi, It's not problem if you have some inherent desire to argue. The fact that you so desperately wish to point out difference that don't exist, says a lot. Most everyone here has an interest in spiritual development. Among most here is a liberal, or libertarian bias. Culturally, there is great similiarly in what we like in terms of music and artisitic expressions. You just have a burr in your butt, because of, I don't know what, nor do I care. If you hitched your wagon to the wrong star long ago, you seem to repeating the same mistake here. Let's face it. All the negative attributes to ascribe to me, you accept in, say Barry, because you like him. But you are too I guess you weren't finished here, just interrupted your, and restart below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Here you have people, who for the most part have similar beliefs, politically, culturally, spiritually, You are dead wrong. We are not all 'similar' in our beliefs, instead everyone is actually very different - both, in experience and understanding. If you don't understand this, it indeed explains, why you are so upset. Look Aryavazhi, It's not my problem if you feel some need to be argumentative. He..? Argumentative? I thought this is a discussion board.. The fact that you so desperately need to point out differences that don't exist, says a lot. That you don't think the differences exist, says even more about you. I mean, you accuse me of being argumentative, so it seems we have a different idea about discussion boards. Generally, I find you do not respond to arguments at all. There were at least two cases a week ago, were you responded to Barry of course, to whom else, and for a moment I thought, you could give some insightful comment, about the actualy issue at stake - you know it was about the earthquake, and people thinking they could stop it by yagna or Vastu, and the like, and all you did was your usual Ad Hominem, shooting the messanger, not a single word about the actual issue. Maybe there is something of an analysis you do, but then you don't tell us about. This post here, seems to be longer than your usual posting style. Usually what you write can be called oneliners. You just split up the line after every sentence with a carriage return. I don't know who said, that we have to set every sentence in it's own paragraph. But this style is symptomatic for the missing content. That's the reason why many regard you now as a troll, all your posts are basically alike, avoid touching the issue, are Ad Hominems to Barry, avoid arguments even if you could make them. To me, most of what you write below, is just a series of platitudes, you never even try to go deeper. You are clearly out to get_Barry, that's the meme you create, a throw around with buzzwords like strawman , without ever making an attempt to explain. You are always in shallow waters, glued to the surface of things. Most everyone here has an interest in spiritual development. Gosh, what platitudes.. Sure, we go in divergent directions from there, but that is the umbrella under which we have discourse. sight what umbrella, again more platitudes. You seem to be given to platitudes, simplifications, and generalizations mainly. Among most here is a liberal, or libertarian bias. Culturally, there is great similarly in what we like in terms of music and artistic expressions. That's seems obvious to me, but perhaps not to you. No, not to me, you are right. Btw. I am not American, I am European, I have never been to the US, and there are many things over there that are strange and bewildering to my mind. If you talk of liberal or libertarian bias, we are probably understanding something very different under these terms. As it is, I have spend no time at all in America, and much time in India, were the culture is again very different, but I have much understanding of it - and I have been told so by many Indians, so I can compare. The fact of the matter is, all the negative points you call me out on, you accept, in say, Barry, because you like him, or agree with his points of view. I agree with him on the issues I point out when I agree with him. There are other issues, where I don't agree. I off and on read stuff by him, and think, yeah, he is totally right. I know him for about 10 years on-line, and what I say, is what I think. Of course, he says many things in a way, I would never say them, so I don't necessarily agree with his mode of expression, but I am at the same level with MJ. But, I look at the issues, not at the form. Barry very often spices his posts up a bit, especially towards the end, but that doesn't invalidate the points he is actually
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The Little Red Book? Looking at leadership qualities a while ago I got to wondering about Mao's voice of leadership in their revolution and sat down and read his 'quotations', the little red book. I was wondering 'how' he did it? It is quite a tight organizational prompting and type of capable leadership. Seemed something that our own movement has been missing for quite a few years. In process I did a mash-up of “Mao in to TM” to see how it sounded. Showing it around to local folks here, if they are not first prejudiced by knowing the quotations come from Mao, they generally recognize it as effective leadership that we do not have and could wish for in our own movement organization. # All we are saying is let's give peace a chance. John Lennon- Give Peace a Chance with Lyrics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhyiqGIJQus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhyiqGIJQus John Lennon- Give Peace a Chance with Lyrics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhyiqGIJQus Give Peace a Chance by John Lennon with Lyrics :) The music in this video does not belong to me View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhyiqGIJQus Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Om son, not any of us are all bad. Even Turqb here as he is frequently in violation of the yahoo-groups guidelines. Maharishi was a substantial person of the 20th Century. He is worth reading for context. The story isn't over yet. This being FFL it should be good to have a study group here in the little orange book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Really, why would any of us who know Marshy to have been a liar, cheat, thief and con artist want to read his bull poop book about anything? From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 6:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology Chairman Mao had his little red book used to unify across his movement which was highly effective at a time. Maharishi's little blaze orange book should be used that way as a weapon for peace in the world now. Have you ever read it? Spiritually everyone on FFL should read Maharishi's Little Orange Book to at least be relevant in any of their posting to the FFL list community. Otherwise folks are just out of touch. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : The TM movement has a little orange book that unifies the work of the TM revolution. We should ship a box load of the orange book, “Maharishi's Absolute Theory of Defense” over to the Soviet sociologists as help towards expanding world peace from deep within Mother Russia. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Something akin to MBA schools: “Military sociology is one of the most important fields of sociological science. It studies formation, development and functioning of the state military organization as a social institution in peacetime and wartime, its engagement with other social institutions and the society as a whole. The focuses of military sociology also include processes and relations among individuals and different communities within the very military organization as well as social aspects of wars and armed conflicts.” Sociology Center : Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation http://eng.mil.ru/en/science/sociological_center.htm Sociology Center : Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation http://eng.mil.ru/en/science/sociological_center.htm Sociology Center View on eng.mil.ru http://eng.mil.ru/en/science/sociological_center.htm Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Songs and anthems of revolutionary movements are a fabulous way of looking in to the creeds of movements. I took and placed some of the essential TM CD's in to some of the better scholarly collections that are being built to preserve the sociology and give others insight in to TM as a large movement, for a scholarship to look in at TM in the future ..The Emily Levine, Rick Stanley, Mother Divine, and other CD's. I keep some of them on my iphone to play at communal gatherings for people to listen to clips as reminder of days gone by. Those sound files always trigger really interesting reflections from folks here about those times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Group cohesion. Songs and Anthems of the Soviet military.. Now that is an interesting link off the tank page. There was a point where songs and anthems disappeared from the format of our TM meetings over the years. Proly correlates from about the time in the 1990's when the meditating community really started to erode here. As a hypothesis the disappearance of song and anthems proly explains a lot in the trend-line
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Showing it around to local folks here, if they are not first prejudiced by knowing the quotations come from Mao, they generally recognize it as effective leadership that we do not have and could wish for in our own movement organization. Did you ever have the same idea about 'Mein Kampf' of Adolf Hitler? About Mao: His policies caused the deaths of tens of millions of people during his 27-year reign, more than any other Twentieth Century leader... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#Legacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#Legacy Maybe at the time of Mao it was possible to clue people together by a single book, and to mass control peoples thoughts. This time is over now, with the advent of the Internet transparency has increased so much, that it will be hard to control people in the same way. Finally, the TMO has to come to realize this too, all the TM secrets are written down in the Internet. Deal with it.
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Thanks for your lengthy and thoughtful reply. Arya, we simply have what I'd call a difference of opinion about things. And not to belabor or the point, and to try to tip toe around the ad homenims you accuse me of, I'll point out a few things. Take MJ for example. I don't agree with many of his points I believe he filters out data that doesn't fit his view points, (which does sometimes bug the hell out of me), but at least he comes at things in a straightforward manner of sorts. There are no hidden agendas. But tell me, why is Barry here? Is it to practice his writing skills for few hours a day? Is it an outlet for him to write TV and movie reviews that he claims people pay him to write elsewhere? Is it to engage in a back and forth about spiritual (or other) subjects, or is it to push people's buttons, as he claims he likes to do? He asserts that he is here to expose and study cult like thinking. But what it looks like to me and many others, is that cult like thinking is anything that doesn't jibe with his opinion on that, or any other subject. But there is no need to go round and round about it. There will be no resolution. The impetus for this exchange will likely repeat itself in a week or two, or maybe a day or two. In the meantime, I will continue to make my comments, as I see fit, hopefully in way that some find humorous, in the same manner that everyone else here makes comments, often impugning other people's beliefs or opinions. And for the record, I've never suggested that anyone be banned from FFL. As I said before, there was a time when the discourse on FFL was more cordial and tolerant, and informative. That ship has sailed forever. Perhaps the more interesting notion would be why you and others don't start your own site, where you can make sure there are no interlopers to spoil the discussion. Certainly, it would eliminate this constant complaining that constitutes a large part of the content here. Just sayin'. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Look Aryavazhi, It's not problem if you have some inherent desire to argue. The fact that you so desperately wish to point out difference that don't exist, says a lot. Most everyone here has an interest in spiritual development. Among most here is a liberal, or libertarian bias. Culturally, there is great similiarly in what we like in terms of music and artisitic expressions. You just have a burr in your butt, because of, I don't know what, nor do I care. If you hitched your wagon to the wrong star long ago, you seem to repeating the same mistake here. Let's face it. All the negative attributes to ascribe to me, you accept in, say Barry, because you like him. But you are too I guess you weren't finished here, just interrupted your, and restart below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Here you have people, who for the most part have similar beliefs, politically, culturally, spiritually, You are dead wrong. We are not all 'similar' in our beliefs, instead everyone is actually very different - both, in experience and understanding. If you don't understand this, it indeed explains, why you are so upset. Look Aryavazhi, It's not my problem if you feel some need to be argumentative. He..? Argumentative? I thought this is a discussion board.. The fact that you so desperately need to point out differences that don't exist, says a lot. That you don't think the differences exist, says even more about you. I mean, you accuse me of being argumentative, so it seems we have a different idea about discussion boards. Generally, I find you do not respond to arguments at all. There were at least two cases a week ago, were you responded to Barry of course, to whom else, and for a moment I thought, you could give some insightful comment, about the actualy issue at stake - you know it was about the earthquake, and people thinking they could stop it by yagna or Vastu, and the like, and all you did was your usual Ad Hominem, shooting the messanger, not a single word about the actual issue. Maybe there is something of an analysis you do, but then you don't tell us about. This post here, seems to be longer than your usual posting style. Usually what you write can be called oneliners. You just split up the line after every sentence with a carriage return. I don't know who said, that we have to set every sentence in it's own paragraph. But this style is symptomatic for the missing content. That's the reason why many regard you now as a troll, all your posts are basically alike, avoid touching the issue, are Ad Hominems to Barry, avoid arguments even if you could make them.
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Thanks 7Ray. Is just more of classic 'Turqb' asserting large strawman-like assumptions in method about people and then using the opportunity to publicly degrade and humiliate folks here with the insinuating slur. It is formulaic meme with him and some others here in a writing methodically to abuse and hurt people. Often in complete violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines that way, the guy is simply toxic to the community of the group here. Rick as owner of this yahoo-group should set in motion something and do something about this. It should improve the forum of this yahoo-group. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : And yet, Doug is who you continually write about. And your social interaction is primarily on the internet, in front of a television, or sitting alone at a bar drinking a beer. A frustrated writer stuck in a rut writing variations of the same theme to get a rise out of people, out of the misguided notion that you are doing them a favor. It might be sad, but it's really of greater interest as a study in narcissism. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I don't know about you, but I prefer spending the rest of *my* incarnation with people who live in the present, not in dreams of the past and how important they think they were in that past. I really can't justify interacting with Doug and people who think like him any more, because it seems to only encourage them to invest more heavily in their delusions, as opposed to shaking them off. In other words, they're fuckin' delusional.
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/We have to assume, Buck, that the Turqb posts these strawmen in order to get your attention. There's no point in posting a fib if you don't get a reaction from your peer group. I mean, what would be the point? The /TurqB/ can only provide a very limited amount of gossip and info to the lurking reporters without getting some news from you about Fairfield and the TMO. /Thanks for trying to help him in his isolation. Even a die-hard informant like the //TurqB// sometimes feels better when he has someone to talk to. Apparently, he's doing this for a living. Go figure. You have to realize that for some people this reading and posting to FFL is the only spiritual program they have, since they are too undisciplined to actually have a regular yoga program that they practice./ /All they probably talk about at the cafe over there is local politics, the immigration problem and Charlie Hebdo. The TurqB being an immigrant himself, probably doesn't fit in real well, or if he does, he's succumbed to peer-ressure and turned toward the material side - no spirituality, no enlightenment or not even a ray of light anymore. Just depression, envy, and malice remain, with his own delusions of grandeur.// Quoting dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com: Thanks 7Ray. Is just more of classic 'Turqb' asserting large strawman-like assumptions in method about people and then using the opportunity to publicly degrade and humiliate folks here with the insinuating slur. It is formulaic meme with him and some others here in a writing methodically to abuse and hurt people. Often in complete violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines that way, the guy is simply toxic to the community of the group here. Rick as owner of this yahoo-group should set in motion something and do something about this. It should improve the forum of this yahoo-group. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : And yet, Doug is who you continually write about. And your social interaction is primarily on the internet, in front of a television, or sitting alone at a bar drinking a beer. A frustrated writer stuck in a rut writing variations of the same theme to get a rise out of people, out of the misguided notion that you are doing them a favor. It might be sad, but it's really of greater interest as a study in narcissism. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : /I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I PREFER SPENDING THE REST OF *MY* INCARNATION WITH PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE PRESENT, NOT IN DREAMS OF THE PAST AND HOW IMPORTANT THEY THINK THEY WERE IN THAT PAST. I REALLY CAN'T JUSTIFY INTERACTING WITH DOUG AND PEOPLE WHO THINK LIKE HIM ANY MORE, BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ONLY ENCOURAGE THEM TO INVEST MORE HEAVILY IN THEIR DELUSIONS, AS OPPOSED TO SHAKING THEM OFF. / /IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE FUCKIN' DELUSIONAL./ Links: -- [1] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/414739;_ylc=X3oDMTJyZnFlMzk4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BG1zZ0lkAzQxNDczOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE0MzExNjgzNTg-?act=replymessageNum=414739 [2] mailto:dhamiltony...@yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BFairfieldLife%5D%20The%20Culture%20of%20Organizational%20Groups%2FSociology [3] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BFairfieldLife%5D%20The%20Culture%20of%20Organizational%20Groups%2FSociology [4] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJlYW8zZDI4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTQzMTE2ODM1OA-- [5] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/414519;_ylc=X3oDMTM4ZWYyOWRrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BG1zZ0lkAzQxNDczOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0MzExNjgzNTgEdHBjSWQDNDE0NTE5 [6] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJlcHRmMmEzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTQzMTE2ODM1OA-- [7] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdWUwNnU1BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxNDMxMTY4MzU4 [8] https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html [9] mailto:fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [10] https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/
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Doug, I would say, rather, it shows something different. Here you have people, who for the most part have similar beliefs, politically, culturally, spiritually, and yet after a decent interval of tolerant discourse, it has become toxic, and one group blames the other for its demise. Differences of opinions become grudges, which then become hardened, and last for an eternity, basically. Rick's hands off philosophy is one that I generally endorse to because it shifts the burden of the quality of interaction onto the participants. What's the phrase from Benjamin Franklin when the US Constitution was drafted, It's a democracy, if you can keep it I don't think we've kept it at least as it pertains to a generally respectful place for the subjects discussed here. Hey, it's Saturday morning. Does that qualify as a rant (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Thanks 7Ray. Is just more of classic 'Turqb' asserting large strawman-like assumptions in method about people and then using the opportunity to publicly degrade and humiliate folks here with the insinuating slur. It is formulaic meme with him and some others here in a writing methodically to abuse and hurt people. Often in complete violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines that way, the guy is simply toxic to the community of the group here. Rick as owner of this yahoo-group should set in motion something and do something about this. It should improve the forum of this yahoo-group. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : And yet, Doug is who you continually write about. And your social interaction is primarily on the internet, in front of a television, or sitting alone at a bar drinking a beer. A frustrated writer stuck in a rut writing variations of the same theme to get a rise out of people, out of the misguided notion that you are doing them a favor. It might be sad, but it's really of greater interest as a study in narcissism. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I don't know about you, but I prefer spending the rest of *my* incarnation with people who live in the present, not in dreams of the past and how important they think they were in that past. I really can't justify interacting with Doug and people who think like him any more, because it seems to only encourage them to invest more heavily in their delusions, as opposed to shaking them off. In other words, they're fuckin' delusional.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Here you have people, who for the most part have similar beliefs, politically, culturally, spiritually, You are dead wrong. We are not all 'similar' in our beliefs, instead everyone is actually very different - both, in experience and understanding. If you don't understand this, it indeed explains, why you are so upset. Many of us have earned their changes in beliefs the hard way, some more hard, some less hard, it takes years, sometimes half of one's life to change the way we understand the world. If you could accept this, you would be ranting less, and you wouldn't find a need for continuous ad hominems, because your posts are hardly ever more. Content 0 The truth is: how can TMers ever hope to create world peace, if they cannot even understand those who once followed them? It seems you can only live peacefully with people of your own ilk. If there is some little deviation, you are immediately at war, and start to demonize your opponents. How many of you believe, that Turq. or MJ is some kind of demonic figure, who represents the evil forces that want to stop the progress of TM? Of the TB TMers, I am sure there are many. and yet after a decent interval of tolerant discourse, it has become toxic, Look at it like this: Somebodies poison is somebody else's medicine. It simply depends on your perspective. and one group blames the other for its demise. I think only you blame FFL for the demise, here people are actually happy that you left, well if you really would have left.
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Look Aryavazhi, It's not problem if you have some inherent desire to argue. The fact that you so desperately wish to point out difference that don't exist, says a lot. Most everyone here has an interest in spiritual development. Among most here is a liberal, or libertarian bias. Culturally, there is great similiarly in what we like in terms of music and artisitic expressions. You just have a burr in your butt, because of, I don't know what, nor do I care. If you hitched your wagon to the wrong star long ago, you seem to repeating the same mistake here. Let's face it. All the negative attributes to ascribe to me, you accept in, say Barry, because you like him. But you are too ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Here you have people, who for the most part have similar beliefs, politically, culturally, spiritually, You are dead wrong. We are not all 'similar' in our beliefs, instead everyone is actually very different - both, in experience and understanding. If you don't understand this, it indeed explains, why you are so upset. Look Aryavazhi, It's not my problem if you feel some need to be argumentative. The fact that you so desperately need to point out differences that don't exist, says a lot. Most everyone here has an interest in spiritual development. Sure, we go in divergent directions from there, but that is the umbrella under which we have discourse. Among most here is a liberal, or libertarian bias. Culturally, there is great similarly in what we like in terms of music and artistic expressions. That's seems obvious to me, but perhaps not to you. Many of us have earned their changes in beliefs the hard way, some more hard, some less hard, it takes years, sometimes half of one's life to change the way we understand the world. If you could accept this, you would be ranting less, and you wouldn't find a need for continuous ad hominems, because your posts are hardly ever more. Content 0 The fact of the matter is, all the negative points you call me out on, you accept, in say, Barry, because you like him, or agree with his points of view. Barry pushes his anti cult agenda unabashedly. I find that he often misrepresents other peoples opinions and relies on straw man arguments. I call him out on that, but you see those posts of mine as ad hominems, and everything he does as on target. I guess we just have a difference of opinion. The truth is: how can TMers ever hope to create world peace, if they cannot even understand those who once followed them? It seems you can only live peacefully with people of your own ilk. If there is some little deviation, you are immediately at war, and start to demonize your opponents. How many of you believe, that Turq. or MJ is some kind of demonic figure, who represents the evil forces that want to stop the progress of TM? Of the TB TMers, I am sure there are many. Again, it apparently serves your purposes to jump to conclusions. There is no doubt that Michael Jackson is heavily invested in seeing the demise of the TMO. But the fact of the matter is that he raises many good points. He does, in my opinion, choose to filter out anything that does not jibe with his narrative, but that's his business. I can't help but like him. I liked Barry for many years, but there comes a point when the misrepresentations, the straw man set ups, the downright meanness became too much for me. And really I think this is the experience a lot of people have with him. But I'd say they choose to leave quietly rather than have an uncomfortable falling out. But hey, if you find him to be a stand up kind of guy, great. and yet after a decent interval of tolerant discourse, it has become toxic, Look at it like this: Somebodies poison is somebody else's medicine. It simply depends on your perspective Exactly, just what I am saying. You single me out as a villain because you don't like my opinions. and one group blames the other for its demise. I think only you blame FFL for the demise, here people are actually happy that you left, well if you really would have left. Yes, as I've said, I don't mind the bland, repetitive posts castigating all the usual subjects. You may notice, I don't respond to the stuff MJ posts. I generally don't even respond to Barry's posts. But when I find that he's saying one thing, and doing another, or misrepresenting something, then I do speak up. It looks like he's down to two or three friends here, so maybe that says something as well. And what, are there five or six regular posters in the whole lot of subscribers?
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It's a Potemkin village all the way down, Steve. Quoting steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com: Look Aryavazhi, It's not problem if you have some inherent desire to argue. The fact that you so desperately wish to point out difference that don't exist, says a lot. Most everyone here has an interest in spiritual development. Among most here is a liberal, or libertarian bias. Culturally, there is great similiarly in what we like in terms of music and artisitic expressions. You just have a burr in your butt, because of, I don't know what, nor do I care. If you hitched your wagon to the wrong star long ago, you seem to repeating the same mistake here. Let's face it. All the negative attributes to ascribe to me, you accept in, say Barry, because you like him. But you are too ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Here you have people, who for the most part have similar beliefs, politically, culturally, spiritually, You are dead wrong. We are not all 'similar' in our beliefs, instead everyone is actually very different - both, in experience and understanding. If you don't understand this, it indeed explains, why you are so upset. Look Aryavazhi, It's not my problem if you feel some need to be argumentative. The fact that you so desperately need to point out differences that don't exist, says a lot. Most everyone here has an interest in spiritual development. Sure, we go in divergent directions from there, but that is the umbrella under which we have discourse. Among most here is a liberal, or libertarian bias. Culturally, there is great similarly in what we like in terms of music and artistic expressions. That's seems obvious to me, but perhaps not to you. Many of us have earned their changes in beliefs the hard way, some more hard, some less hard, it takes years, sometimes half of one's life to change the way we understand the world. If you could accept this, you would be ranting less, and you wouldn't find a need for continuous ad hominems, because your posts are hardly ever more. Content 0 The fact of the matter is, all the negative points you call me out on, you accept, in say, Barry, because you like him, or agree with his points of view. Barry pushes his anti cult agenda unabashedly. I find that he often misrepresents other peoples opinions and relies on straw man arguments. I call him out on that, but you see those posts of mine as ad hominems, and everything he does as on target. I guess we just have a difference of opinion. The truth is: how can TMers ever hope to create world peace, if they cannot even understand those who once followed them? It seems you can only live peacefully with people of your own ilk. If there is some little deviation, you are immediately at war, and start to demonize your opponents. How many of you believe, that Turq. or MJ is some kind of demonic figure, who represents the evil forces that want to stop the progress of TM? Of the TB TMers, I am sure there are many. Again, it apparently serves your purposes to jump to conclusions. There is no doubt that Michael Jackson is heavily invested in seeing the demise of the TMO. But the fact of the matter is that he raises many good points. He does, in my opinion, choose to filter out anything that does not jibe with his narrative, but that's his business. I can't help but like him. I liked Barry for many years, but there comes a point when the misrepresentations, the straw man set ups, the downright meanness became too much for me. And really I think this is the experience a lot of people have with him. But I'd say they choose to leave quietly rather than have an uncomfortable falling out. But hey, if you find him to be a stand up kind of guy, great. and yet after a decent interval of tolerant discourse, it has become toxic, Look at it like this: Somebodies poison is somebody else's medicine. It simply depends on your perspective Exactly, just what I am saying. You single me out as a villain because you don't like my opinions. and one group blames the other for its demise. I think only you blame FFL for the demise, here people are actually happy that you left, well if you really would have left. Yes, as I've said, I don't mind the bland, repetitive posts castigating all the usual subjects. You may notice, I don't respond to the stuff MJ posts. I generally don't even respond to Barry's posts. But when I find that he's saying one thing, and doing another, or misrepresenting something, then I do speak up. It looks like he's down to two or three friends here, so maybe that says something as well. And what, are there
[FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology
Chairman Mao had his little red book used to unify across his movement which was highly effective at a time. Maharishi's little blaze orange book should be used that way as a weapon for peace in the world now. Have you ever read it? Spiritually everyone on FFL should read Maharishi's Little Orange Book to at least be relevant in any of their posting to the FFL list community. Otherwise folks are just out of touch. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : The TM movement has a little orange book that unifies the work of the TM revolution. We should ship a box load of the orange book, “Maharishi's Absolute Theory of Defense” over to the Soviet sociologists as help towards expanding world peace from deep within Mother Russia. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Something akin to MBA schools: “Military sociology is one of the most important fields of sociological science. It studies formation, development and functioning of the state military organization as a social institution in peacetime and wartime, its engagement with other social institutions and the society as a whole. The focuses of military sociology also include processes and relations among individuals and different communities within the very military organization as well as social aspects of wars and armed conflicts.” Sociology Center : Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation http://eng.mil.ru/en/science/sociological_center.htm Sociology Center : Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation http://eng.mil.ru/en/science/sociological_center.htm Sociology Center View on eng.mil.ru http://eng.mil.ru/en/science/sociological_center.htm Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Songs and anthems of revolutionary movements are a fabulous way of looking in to the creeds of movements. I took and placed some of the essential TM CD's in to some of the better scholarly collections that are being built to preserve the sociology and give others insight in to TM as a large movement, for a scholarship to look in at TM in the future ..The Emily Levine, Rick Stanley, Mother Divine, and other CD's. I keep some of them on my iphone to play at communal gatherings for people to listen to clips as reminder of days gone by. Those sound files always trigger really interesting reflections from folks here about those times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Group cohesion. Songs and Anthems of the Soviet military.. Now that is an interesting link off the tank page. There was a point where songs and anthems disappeared from the format of our TM meetings over the years. Proly correlates from about the time in the 1990's when the meditating community really started to erode here. As a hypothesis the disappearance of song and anthems proly explains a lot in the trend-line of organizational TM. The Russian military department of sociological research ought to look in to the decline of song and anthem within TM and its organizational effectiveness as a control to their internal studies of sociology. Could possibly explain some of the apostasy exhibited on the pages of FFL by people who fell away from TM. ..Some lack of organizational cohesion. http://eng.mil.ru/en/multimedia/audio/songs.htm http://eng.mil.ru/en/multimedia/audio/songs.htm ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hepa7@... wrote : Advanced forward-looking military hardware, which takes part in the Victory Parade on Red Sqaure on May 9, 2015. : Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation http://eng.mil.ru/en/multimedia/photo/gallery.htm?id=21804@cmsPhotoGallery Advanced forward-looking military hardware, which takes part in the Victory Parade on Red Sqaure o... http://eng.mil.ru/en/multimedia/photo/gallery.htm?id=21804@cmsPhotoGallery Home For MediaContact us Site Map English РусскийEnglish Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation (Минобороны России) Multimedia MOD Photo Video Audio 3D View on eng.mil.ru http://eng.mil.ru/en/multimedia/photo/gallery.htm?id=21804@cmsPhotoGallery Preview by Yahoo
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God I remember the days when I and my TM friends really believed that everyone
would one day wake up to the glory of TM and TMSP and everyone would be doing
it, and the world would be happy. We utterly ignored the experience that most
of us were struggling in various ways financial, relationships and health just
to name three.
It was delusional.
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
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From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sigh. You are right, the story isn't over
yet. Bevan and his cronies have not yet paid for all their enormities, David
Lynch has not yet cracked up in public and been carted off to a mental
institution, Girish has not yet gone to prison for his various crimes, nor has
he finished stealing as much of the Indian Movement's assets as he can, John
Hagelin has not yet agreed to publicly debate real physicists and get horribly
embarrassed, nor has he had to face the music for his abuse of his position as
professor at MUM, the Movement has not withered away to the point where Girish
and the Srivastavas brothers sell off the lands of the MUM campus, but it is
all coming.
I can't disagree with your visions of TM's future, Michael, but today all I can
feel is sadness for the people like Doug whose sense of self and identity are
so stuck in the past that they are unable to move past it and live in the
present. They live on dreams of how glorious it all was back when they were
young and part of what they considered not only a community but a movement,
one that would change the world forever. They felt important and as if they
were at the center of great events, and doing something that would be
remembered forever.
And now they find themselves in a world that has all but forgotten Maharishi.
His name is a quite literally a joke in spiritual circles and the only people
who still believe he taught anything of value are the hangers-on in Fairfield
and in other closed TM societies. They seem to live for the day that the world
will wake up and recognize their folly at laughing at Maharishi and at them for
following him, and will praise them the way they still think of themselves --
as noble bringers of a new age and happiness and light and bliss and ice cream
for everybody.
In other words, they're fuckin' delusional.
Some people get wiser as they get older, and closer to death. Others, fearing
that they might have wasted their lives believing in things the world no longer
values, start to panic and cling even more desperately to the dreams of their
glorious youth.
I don't know about you, but I prefer spending the rest of *my* incarnation with
people who live in the present, not in dreams of the past and how important
they think they were in that past. I really can't justify interacting with Doug
and people who think like him any more, because it seems to only encourage them
to invest more heavily in their delusions, as opposed to shaking them off.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sigh. You are right, the story isn't over yet. Bevan and his cronies have not yet paid for all their enormities, David Lynch has not yet cracked up in public and been carted off to a mental institution, Girish has not yet gone to prison for his various crimes, nor has he finished stealing as much of the Indian Movement's assets as he can, John Hagelin has not yet agreed to publicly debate real physicists and get horribly embarrassed, nor has he had to face the music for his abuse of his position as professor at MUM, the Movement has not withered away to the point where Girish and the Srivastavas brothers sell off the lands of the MUM campus, but it is all coming. I can't disagree with your visions of TM's future, Michael, but today all I can feel is sadness for the people like Doug whose sense of self and identity are so stuck in the past that they are unable to move past it and live in the present. They live on dreams of how glorious it all was back when they were young and part of what they considered not only a community but a movement, one that would change the world forever. They felt important and as if they were at the center of great events, and doing something that would be remembered forever. And now they find themselves in a world that has all but forgotten Maharishi. His name is a quite literally a joke in spiritual circles and the only people who still believe he taught anything of value are the hangers-on in Fairfield and in other closed TM societies. They seem to live for the day that the world will wake up and recognize their folly at laughing at Maharishi and at them for following him, and will praise them the way they still think of themselves -- as noble bringers of a new age and happiness and light and bliss and ice cream for everybody. In other words, they're fuckin' delusional. Some people get wiser as they get older, and closer to death. Others, fearing that they might have wasted their lives believing in things the world no longer values, start to panic and cling even more desperately to the dreams of their glorious youth. I don't know about you, but I prefer spending the rest of *my* incarnation with people who live in the present, not in dreams of the past and how important they think they were in that past. I really can't justify interacting with Doug and people who think like him any more, because it seems to only encourage them to invest more heavily in their delusions, as opposed to shaking them off.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology
You had one job to do - get enlightened in 5-7 years and produce a single enlightened student. In over 2 decades, you failed to even hop, much less be able to fly or levitate. So who was being delusional? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : In other words, they're fuckin' delusional. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sigh. You are right, the story isn't over yet. Bevan and his cronies have not yet paid for all their enormities, David Lynch has not yet cracked up in public and been carted off to a mental institution, Girish has not yet gone to prison for his various crimes, nor has he finished stealing as much of the Indian Movement's assets as he can, John Hagelin has not yet agreed to publicly debate real physicists and get horribly embarrassed, nor has he had to face the music for his abuse of his position as professor at MUM, the Movement has not withered away to the point where Girish and the Srivastavas brothers sell off the lands of the MUM campus, but it is all coming. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I can't disagree with your visions of TM's future, Michael, but today all I can feel is sadness for the people like Doug whose sense of self and identity are so stuck in the past that they are unable to move past it and live in the present. They live on dreams of how glorious it all was back when they were young and part of what they considered not only a community but a movement, one that would change the world forever. They felt important and as if they were at the center of great events, and doing something that would be remembered forever. And now they find themselves in a world that has all but forgotten Maharishi. His name is a quite literally a joke in spiritual circles and the only people who still believe he taught anything of value are the hangers-on in Fairfield and in other closed TM societies. They seem to live for the day that the world will wake up and recognize their folly at laughing at Maharishi and at them for following him, and will praise them the way they still think of themselves -- as noble bringers of a new age and happiness and light and bliss and ice cream for everybody. In other words, they're fuckin' delusional. Some people get wiser as they get older, and closer to death. Others, fearing that they might have wasted their lives believing in things the world no longer values, start to panic and cling even more desperately to the dreams of their glorious youth. I don't know about you, but I prefer spending the rest of *my* incarnation with people who live in the present, not in dreams of the past and how important they think they were in that past. I really can't justify interacting with Doug and people who think like him any more, because it seems to only encourage them to invest more heavily in their delusions, as opposed to shaking them off.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology
According to what I've read, TMer meditation is the most popular yoga on the entiren planet. It was very impressive to see Heather Graham featured on the cover of Time with a mention of MMY. TMer meditation is so popular that a TMer was featured on the Oprah Show on TV. Very impressive. 'The Science of Meditation' Time Magazine, http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,20030804,00.html http://tinyurl.com/bwmf5 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : And now they find themselves in a world that has all but forgotten Maharishi. His name is a quite literally a joke in spiritual circles When you consider that TMer meditation is being taught by the Deepakage and the Sri Sri, it looks like there are millions of people practicing TMer meditation all over the world. Millions of spiritual people take their meditation very seriously. Meditation is just what intelligent people do. These days the term meditation is a household word and everything is a mantra. Is there a better way? and the only people who still believe he taught anything of value are the hangers-on in Fairfield and in other closed TM societies... Non sequitur. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sigh. You are right, the story isn't over yet. Bevan and his cronies have not yet paid for all their enormities, David Lynch has not yet cracked up in public and been carted off to a mental institution, Girish has not yet gone to prison for his various crimes, nor has he finished stealing as much of the Indian Movement's assets as he can, John Hagelin has not yet agreed to publicly debate real physicists and get horribly embarrassed, nor has he had to face the music for his abuse of his position as professor at MUM, the Movement has not withered away to the point where Girish and the Srivastavas brothers sell off the lands of the MUM campus, but it is all coming. I can't disagree with your visions of TM's future, Michael, but today all I can feel is sadness for the people like Doug whose sense of self and identity are so stuck in the past that they are unable to move past it and live in the present. They live on dreams of how glorious it all was back when they were young and part of what they considered not only a community but a movement, one that would change the world forever. They felt important and as if they were at the center of great events, and doing something that would be remembered forever. And now they find themselves in a world that has all but forgotten Maharishi. His name is a quite literally a joke in spiritual circles and the only people who still believe he taught anything of value are the hangers-on in Fairfield and in other closed TM societies. They seem to live for the day that the world will wake up and recognize their folly at laughing at Maharishi and at them for following him, and will praise them the way they still think of themselves -- as noble bringers of a new age and happiness and light and bliss and ice cream for everybody. In other words, they're fuckin' delusional. Some people get wiser as they get older, and closer to death. Others, fearing that they might have wasted their lives believing in things the world no longer values, start to panic and cling even more desperately to the dreams of their glorious youth. I don't know about you, but I prefer spending the rest of *my* incarnation with people who live in the present, not in dreams of the past and how important they think they were in that past. I really can't justify interacting with Doug and people who think like him any more, because it seems to only encourage them to invest more heavily in their delusions, as opposed to shaking them off.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology
That's what I'm talking about! Some of us are still waiting for the game to be payed out before we make up out minds. We're just waiting for the evidence to be presented. We still haven't determined why exactly you got kicked out of the TMO and off the MIU campus. So, for lack of information, the jury is still out. Go figure. The only thing so far that you have confessed to is that you had a big pie-hole, you sucked as a table-setter and you failed to show up for work. Sort of like you're doing here on FFL, posting all the non sequiturs instead of telling us what's really going on. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Sigh. You are right, the story isn't over yet. Bevan and his cronies have not yet paid for all their enormities, David Lynch has not yet cracked up in public and been carted off to a mental institution, Girish has not yet gone to prison for his various crimes, nor has he finished stealing as much of the Indian Movement's assets as he can, John Hagelin has not yet agreed to publicly debate real physicists and get horribly embarrassed, nor has he had to face the music for his abuse of his position as professor at MUM, the Movement has not withered away to the point where Girish and the Srivastavas brothers sell off the lands of the MUM campus, but it is all coming. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology Om son, not any of us are all bad. Even Turqb here as he is frequently in violation of the yahoo-groups guidelines. Maharishi was a substantial person of the 20th Century. He is worth reading for context. The story isn't over yet. This being FFL it should be good to have a study group here in the little orange book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Really, why would any of us who know Marshy to have been a liar, cheat, thief and con artist want to read his bull poop book about anything? From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 6:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology Chairman Mao had his little red book used to unify across his movement which was highly effective at a time. Maharishi's little blaze orange book should be used that way as a weapon for peace in the world now. Have you ever read it? Spiritually everyone on FFL should read Maharishi's Little Orange Book to at least be relevant in any of their posting to the FFL list community. Otherwise folks are just out of touch. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : The TM movement has a little orange book that unifies the work of the TM revolution. We should ship a box load of the orange book, “Maharishi's Absolute Theory of Defense” over to the Soviet sociologists as help towards expanding world peace from deep within Mother Russia. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Something akin to MBA schools: “Military sociology is one of the most important fields of sociological science. It studies formation, development and functioning of the state military organization as a social institution in peacetime and wartime, its engagement with other social institutions and the society as a whole. The focuses of military sociology also include processes and relations among individuals and different communities within the very military organization as well as social aspects of wars and armed conflicts.” Sociology Center : Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation http://eng.mil.ru/en/science/sociological_center.htm Sociology Center : Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation http://eng.mil.ru/en/science/sociological_center.htm Sociology Center View on eng.mil.ru http://eng.mil.ru/en/science/sociological_center.htm Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Songs and anthems of revolutionary movements are a fabulous way of looking in to the creeds of movements. I took and placed some of the essential TM CD's in to some of the better scholarly collections that are being built to preserve the sociology and give others insight in to TM as a large movement, for a scholarship to look in at TM in the future ..The Emily Levine, Rick Stanley, Mother Divine, and other CD's. I keep some of them on my iphone to play at communal gatherings for people to listen to clips as reminder of days gone by. Those sound files always trigger really interesting reflections from folks here about those times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Group cohesion. Songs and Anthems of the Soviet military.. Now that is an interesting link off the tank page
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology
And yet, Doug is who you continually write about. And your social interaction is primarily on the internet, in front of a television, or sitting alone at a bar drinking a beer. A frustrated writer stuck in a rut writing variations of the same theme to get a rise out of people, out of the misguided notion that you are doing them a favor. It might be sad, but it's really of greater interest as a study in narcissism. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I don't know about you, but I prefer spending the rest of *my* incarnation with people who live in the present, not in dreams of the past and how important they think they were in that past. I really can't justify interacting with Doug and people who think like him any more, because it seems to only encourage them to invest more heavily in their delusions, as opposed to shaking them off.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology
Sigh. You are right, the story isn't over yet. Bevan and his cronies have not yet paid for all their enormities, David Lynch has not yet cracked up in public and been carted off to a mental institution, Girish has not yet gone to prison for his various crimes, nor has he finished stealing as much of the Indian Movement's assets as he can, John Hagelin has not yet agreed to publicly debate real physicists and get horribly embarrassed, nor has he had to face the music for his abuse of his position as professor at MUM, the Movement has not withered away to the point where Girish and the Srivastavas brothers sell off the lands of the MUM campus, but it is all coming. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology Om son, not any of us are all bad. Even Turqb here as he is frequently in violation of the yahoo-groups guidelines. Maharishi was a substantial person of the 20th Century. He is worth reading for context. The story isn't over yet. This being FFL it should be good to have a study group here in the little orange book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Really, why would any of us who know Marshy to have been a liar, cheat, thief and con artist want to read his bull poop book about anything? From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 6:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology Chairman Mao had his little red book used to unify across hismovement which was highly effective at a time. Maharishi's littleblaze orange book should be used that way as a weapon for peace inthe world now. Have you ever read it? Spiritually everyone on FFLshould read Maharishi's Little Orange Book to at least be relevant inany of their posting to the FFL list community. Otherwise folks arejust out of touch. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : TheTM movement has a little orange book that unifies the work of the TMrevolution. We should ship a box load of the orange book,“Maharishi's Absolute Theory of Defense” over to the Sovietsociologists as help towards expanding world peace from deep withinMother Russia. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Something akinto MBA schools:“Militarysociology is one of the most important fields of sociologicalscience. It studies formation, development and functioning of thestate military organization as a social institution in peacetime andwartime, its engagement with other social institutions and thesociety as a whole. The focuses of military sociology also includeprocesses and relations among individuals and different communitieswithin the very military organization as well as social aspects ofwars and armed conflicts.” Sociology Center : Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation | | | | Sociology Center : Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation Sociology Center | | | View on eng.mil.ru| Preview by Yahoo | | | ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Songs and anthems of revolutionary movements are a fabulous way oflooking in to the creeds of movements. I took and placed some ofthe essential TM CD's in to some of the better scholarly collectionsthat are being built to preserve the sociology and give othersinsight in to TM as a large movement, for a scholarship to look inat TM in the future ..The Emily Levine, Rick Stanley, MotherDivine, and other CD's. I keep some of them on my iphone to play at communalgatherings for people to listen to clips as reminder of days gone by.Those sound files always trigger really interesting reflections from folkshere about those times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Group cohesion. Songs and Anthems of the Soviet military.. Nowthat is an interesting link off the tank page. There was a pointwhere songs and anthems disappeared from the format of our TM meetings over the years. Proly correlates from about the time in the 1990's when themeditating community really started to erode here. As a hypothesisthe disappearance of song and anthems proly explains a lot in thetrend-line of organizational TM. The Russian military department ofsociological research ought to look in to the decline of song andanthem within TM and its organizational effectiveness as a control totheir internal studies of sociology. Could possibly explain some ofthe apostasy exhibited on the pages of FFL by people who fell awayfrom TM. ..Some lack of organizational cohesion.http://eng.mil.ru/en/multimedia/audio/songs.htm ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hepa7@... wrote : Advanced forward-looking military hardware, which takes part
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology
Really, why would any of us who know Marshy to have been a liar, cheat, thief
and con artist want to read his bull poop book about anything?
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 6:32 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology
Chairman Mao had his little red book used to unify across hismovement which
was highly effective at a time. Maharishi's littleblaze orange book should be
used that way as a weapon for peace inthe world now. Have you ever read it?
Spiritually everyone on FFLshould read Maharishi's Little Orange Book to at
least be relevant inany of their posting to the FFL list community. Otherwise
folks arejust out of touch.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
TheTM movement has a little orange book that unifies the work of the
TMrevolution. We should ship a box load of the orange book,“Maharishi's
Absolute Theory of Defense” over to the Sovietsociologists as help towards
expanding world peace from deep withinMother Russia.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Something akinto MBA schools:“Militarysociology is one of the most important
fields of sociologicalscience. It studies formation, development and
functioning of thestate military organization as a social institution in
peacetime andwartime, its engagement with other social institutions and
thesociety as a whole. The focuses of military sociology also includeprocesses
and relations among individuals and different communitieswithin the very
military organization as well as social aspects ofwars and armed conflicts.”
Sociology Center : Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation
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Sociology Center | |
| View on eng.mil.ru| Preview by Yahoo |
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Songs and anthems of revolutionary movements are a fabulous way oflooking in to
the creeds of movements. I took and placed some ofthe essential TM CD's in to
some of the better scholarly collectionsthat are being built to preserve the
sociology and give othersinsight in to TM as a large movement, for a
scholarship to look inat TM in the future ..The Emily Levine, Rick Stanley,
MotherDivine, and other CD's. I keep some of them on my iphone to play at
communalgatherings for people to listen to clips as reminder of days gone
by.Those sound files always trigger really interesting reflections from
folkshere about those times.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Group cohesion. Songs and Anthems of the Soviet military.. Nowthat is an
interesting link off the tank page. There was a pointwhere songs and anthems
disappeared from the format of our TM meetings over the years. Proly correlates
from about the time in the 1990's when themeditating community really started
to erode here. As a hypothesisthe disappearance of song and anthems proly
explains a lot in thetrend-line of organizational TM. The Russian military
department ofsociological research ought to look in to the decline of song
andanthem within TM and its organizational effectiveness as a control totheir
internal studies of sociology. Could possibly explain some ofthe apostasy
exhibited on the pages of FFL by people who fell awayfrom TM. ..Some lack of
organizational cohesion.http://eng.mil.ru/en/multimedia/audio/songs.htm
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hepa7@... wrote :
Advanced forward-looking military hardware, which takes part in the Victory
Parade on Red Sqaure on May 9, 2015. : Ministry of Defence of the Russian
Federation
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology
Om son, not any of us are all bad. Even Turqb here as he is frequently in violation of the yahoo-groups guidelines. Maharishi was a substantial person of the 20th Century. He is worth reading for context. The story isn't over yet. This being FFL it should be good to have a study group here in the little orange book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Really, why would any of us who know Marshy to have been a liar, cheat, thief and con artist want to read his bull poop book about anything? From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 6:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology Chairman Mao had his little red book used to unify across his movement which was highly effective at a time. Maharishi's little blaze orange book should be used that way as a weapon for peace in the world now. Have you ever read it? Spiritually everyone on FFL should read Maharishi's Little Orange Book to at least be relevant in any of their posting to the FFL list community. Otherwise folks are just out of touch. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : The TM movement has a little orange book that unifies the work of the TM revolution. We should ship a box load of the orange book, “Maharishi's Absolute Theory of Defense” over to the Soviet sociologists as help towards expanding world peace from deep within Mother Russia. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Something akin to MBA schools: “Military sociology is one of the most important fields of sociological science. It studies formation, development and functioning of the state military organization as a social institution in peacetime and wartime, its engagement with other social institutions and the society as a whole. The focuses of military sociology also include processes and relations among individuals and different communities within the very military organization as well as social aspects of wars and armed conflicts.” Sociology Center : Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation http://eng.mil.ru/en/science/sociological_center.htm Sociology Center : Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation http://eng.mil.ru/en/science/sociological_center.htm Sociology Center View on eng.mil.ru http://eng.mil.ru/en/science/sociological_center.htm Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Songs and anthems of revolutionary movements are a fabulous way of looking in to the creeds of movements. I took and placed some of the essential TM CD's in to some of the better scholarly collections that are being built to preserve the sociology and give others insight in to TM as a large movement, for a scholarship to look in at TM in the future ..The Emily Levine, Rick Stanley, Mother Divine, and other CD's. I keep some of them on my iphone to play at communal gatherings for people to listen to clips as reminder of days gone by. Those sound files always trigger really interesting reflections from folks here about those times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Group cohesion. Songs and Anthems of the Soviet military.. Now that is an interesting link off the tank page. There was a point where songs and anthems disappeared from the format of our TM meetings over the years. Proly correlates from about the time in the 1990's when the meditating community really started to erode here. As a hypothesis the disappearance of song and anthems proly explains a lot in the trend-line of organizational TM. The Russian military department of sociological research ought to look in to the decline of song and anthem within TM and its organizational effectiveness as a control to their internal studies of sociology. Could possibly explain some of the apostasy exhibited on the pages of FFL by people who fell away from TM. ..Some lack of organizational cohesion. http://eng.mil.ru/en/multimedia/audio/songs.htm http://eng.mil.ru/en/multimedia/audio/songs.htm ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hepa7@... wrote : Advanced forward-looking military hardware, which takes part in the Victory Parade on Red Sqaure on May 9, 2015. : Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation http://eng.mil.ru/en/multimedia/photo/gallery.htm?id=21804@cmsPhotoGallery Advanced forward-looking military hardware, which takes part in the Victory Parade on Red Sqaure o... http://eng.mil.ru/en/multimedia/photo/gallery.htm?id=21804@cmsPhotoGallery Home For MediaContact us Site Map English РусскийEnglish Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation (Минобороны России) Multimedia MOD Photo Video Audio 3D View on eng.mil.ru http://eng.mil.ru/en/multimedia/photo/gallery.htm?id=21804@cmsPhotoGallery Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology
As Winston Churchill once said: if you are young and not idealistic, you haven't got a heart. If you are old and not a realist, you haven't got a brain. That pretty much sums it up. Most of us got over the idealistic phase pretty quickly. And you know, the other saying, about taking what you want and leaving the rest. Generally a good philosophy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : God I remember the days when I and my TM friends really believed that everyone would one day wake up to the glory of TM and TMSP and everyone would be doing it, and the world would be happy. We utterly ignored the experience that most of us were struggling in various ways financial, relationships and health just to name three. It was delusional. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sigh. You are right, the story isn't over yet. Bevan and his cronies have not yet paid for all their enormities, David Lynch has not yet cracked up in public and been carted off to a mental institution, Girish has not yet gone to prison for his various crimes, nor has he finished stealing as much of the Indian Movement's assets as he can, John Hagelin has not yet agreed to publicly debate real physicists and get horribly embarrassed, nor has he had to face the music for his abuse of his position as professor at MUM, the Movement has not withered away to the point where Girish and the Srivastavas brothers sell off the lands of the MUM campus, but it is all coming. I can't disagree with your visions of TM's future, Michael, but today all I can feel is sadness for the people like Doug whose sense of self and identity are so stuck in the past that they are unable to move past it and live in the present. They live on dreams of how glorious it all was back when they were young and part of what they considered not only a community but a movement, one that would change the world forever. They felt important and as if they were at the center of great events, and doing something that would be remembered forever. And now they find themselves in a world that has all but forgotten Maharishi. His name is a quite literally a joke in spiritual circles and the only people who still believe he taught anything of value are the hangers-on in Fairfield and in other closed TM societies. They seem to live for the day that the world will wake up and recognize their folly at laughing at Maharishi and at them for following him, and will praise them the way they still think of themselves -- as noble bringers of a new age and happiness and light and bliss and ice cream for everybody. In other words, they're fuckin' delusional. Some people get wiser as they get older, and closer to death. Others, fearing that they might have wasted their lives believing in things the world no longer values, start to panic and cling even more desperately to the dreams of their glorious youth. I don't know about you, but I prefer spending the rest of *my* incarnation with people who live in the present, not in dreams of the past and how important they think they were in that past. I really can't justify interacting with Doug and people who think like him any more, because it seems to only encourage them to invest more heavily in their delusions, as opposed to shaking them off.
