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Doc, I think it's a win win. Either the person is calm and radiates that; or they're releasing stress and thus becoming more calm. BTW, I had to reply from Basic because the list in Full Featured did not have your post! On Wed, 10/9/13, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 12:08 PM Hey Share, if a person is established in silence all the time, they no longer need to round seven and a half hours a day. It continues 24/7. So, there is not really a correlation between time explicitly spent meditating, and a person's ability to be a source of calm, vs a generator of noise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Ann, there were 2 posts and in one you focused on rounding spouses. As a response to the other, I refer you to this comment from Seraphita: We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm! On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:28 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Now this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably noting that spouses who work away from home are also separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. My point, though, was not so much about spouses but more about the fact that people who meditate for 7.5 hours a day are not, in my opinion, spiritual warriors and that they obviously have absolutely nothing more desirable or pressing in their lives to apply themselves to. I would have to question their interestingness as human beings let alone their productiveness and ability to take advantage of all of the richness this waking life has to offer. On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein authfriend@... wrote: Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM Share wrote: Ann, I think many spouses who work outside the home are separated from each other from most of the day. When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an important insight.
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Ann, it's just fun to wonder about the effect of all humans engaging in the same activity for 7.5 hours per day. I mean other than breathing in which we all engage 24 hours per day. What would happen to our little spaceship Earth if we all for example, laughed for 7.5 hours per day? Or sang? Or danced? Or rode horses? My bottom line is that it's a huge universe and there's plenty of room IMO for people who want to meditate for 7.5 hours per day and also for people who want to engage in other activities. On Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:23 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Doc, I think it's a win win. Either the person is calm and radiates that; or they're releasing stress and thus becoming more calm. BTW, I had to reply from Basic because the list in Full Featured did not have your post! On Wed, 10/9/13, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 12:08 PM Hey Share, if a person is established in silence all the time, they no longer need to round seven and a half hours a day. It continues 24/7. So, there is not really a correlation between time explicitly spent meditating, and a person's ability to be a source of calm, vs a generator of noise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Ann, there were 2 posts and in one you focused on rounding spouses. As a response to the other, I refer you to this comment from Seraphita: We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm! On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:28 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Now this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably noting that spouses who work away from home are also separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. My point, though, was not so much about spouses but more about the fact that people who meditate for 7.5 hours a day are not, in my opinion, spiritual warriors and that they obviously have absolutely nothing more desirable or pressing in their lives to apply themselves to. I would have to question their interestingness as human beings let alone their productiveness and ability to take advantage of all of the richness this waking life has to offer. On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein authfriend@... wrote: Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM Share wrote: Ann, I think many spouses who work outside the home are separated from each other from most of the day. When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an important insight.
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Hi Share - who said anything about a win-win? I was making the point that one can be doing far more [for the world] than someone engaged in the TMSP for 7 and 1/2 hrs. per day, although no explicit signs are there. That is all. If people want to sit around in the dome, that is fine. Recognize though, that it is not the ne plus ultra it is made out to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Doc, I think it's a win win. Either the person is calm and radiates that; or they're releasing stress and thus becoming more calm. BTW, I had to reply from Basic because the list in Full Featured did not have your post! On Wed, 10/9/13, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote: Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 12:08 PM Hey Share, if a person is established in silence all the time, they no longer need to round seven and a half hours a day. It continues 24/7. So, there is not really a correlation between time explicitly spent meditating, and a person's ability to be a source of calm, vs a generator of noise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Ann, there were 2 posts and in one you focused on rounding spouses. As a response to the other, I refer you to this comment from Seraphita: We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm! On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:28 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Now this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably noting that spouses who work away from home are also separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. My point, though, was not so much about spouses but more about the fact that people who meditate for 7.5 hours a day are not, in my opinion, spiritual warriors and that they obviously have absolutely nothing more desirable or pressing in their lives to apply themselves to. I would have to question their interestingness as human beings let alone their productiveness and ability to take advantage of all of the richness this waking life has to offer. On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein authfriend@... wrote: Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM Share wrote: Ann, I think many spouses who work outside the home are separated from each other from most of the day. When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an important insight.
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Doc, I said something about win win! Anyway, I think people do best for the world when they're doing their dharma whatever that might be (-: On Thursday, October 10, 2013 10:21 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Hi Share - who said anything about a win-win? I was making the point that one can be doing far more [for the world] than someone engaged in the TMSP for 7 and 1/2 hrs. per day, although no explicit signs are there. That is all. If people want to sit around in the dome, that is fine. Recognize though, that it is not the ne plus ultra it is made out to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Doc, I think it's a win win. Either the person is calm and radiates that; or they're releasing stress and thus becoming more calm. BTW, I had to reply from Basic because the list in Full Featured did not have your post! On Wed, 10/9/13, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 12:08 PM Hey Share, if a person is established in silence all the time, they no longer need to round seven and a half hours a day. It continues 24/7. So, there is not really a correlation between time explicitly spent meditating, and a person's ability to be a source of calm, vs a generator of noise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Ann, there were 2 posts and in one you focused on rounding spouses. As a response to the other, I refer you to this comment from Seraphita: We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm! On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:28 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Now this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably noting that spouses who work away from home are also separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. My point, though, was not so much about spouses but more about the fact that people who meditate for 7.5 hours a day are not, in my opinion, spiritual warriors and that they obviously have absolutely nothing more desirable or pressing in their lives to apply themselves to. I would have to question their interestingness as human beings let alone their productiveness and ability to take advantage of all of the richness this waking life has to offer. On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein authfriend@... wrote: Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM Share wrote: Ann, I think many spouses who work outside the home are separated from each other from most of the day. When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an important insight.
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It was the I think that cracked me up, as if you might not be quite sure about such a trivial and obvious fact. False humility on your part, in other words. You do it a lot; it's a function of the general inauthenticity of your FFL persona. Share wrote: Now this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably noting that spouses who work away from home are also separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM Share wrote: Ann, I think many spouses who work outside the home are separated from each other from most of the day. When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an important insight.
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Share, thanks for the answer. It also proves that you can read thoughts, because I was just about to ask Ann if this was an example of snarkiness. Btw., for all Neo-fans, I think I discovered another feature, I haven't seen any of you talking about yet. But if I click on those three little dots, which are hiding the comments, in my composer window, I will do that now, wait, and then click on send, it will stay open in the post. Is that so? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Now this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably noting that spouses who work away from home are also separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM Share wrote: Ann, I think many spouses who work outside the home are separated from each other from most of the day. When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an important insight.
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Judy, unlike you who simply asserts your opinions as facts, I say I think to designate that in this day and age of many working at home, my statement is qualified in that I don't know all the statistics involved. On Wed, 10/9/13, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 9:34 AM It was the I think that cracked me up, as if you might not be quite sure about such a trivial and obvious fact. False humility on your part, in other words. You do it a lot; it's a function of the general inauthenticity of your FFL persona. Share wrote: Now this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably noting that spouses who work away from home are also separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein authfriend@... wrote: Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM Share wrote: Ann, I think many spouses who work outside the home are separated from each other from most of the day. When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an important insight.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Now this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably noting that spouses who work away from home are also separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. My point, though, was not so much about spouses but more about the fact that people who meditate for 7.5 hours a day are not, in my opinion, spiritual warriors and that they obviously have absolutely nothing more desirable or pressing in their lives to apply themselves to. I would have to question their interestingness as human beings let alone their productiveness and ability to take advantage of all of the richness this waking life has to offer. On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM Share wrote: Ann, I think many spouses who work outside the home are separated from each other from most of the day. When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an important insight.
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Ann, there were 2 posts and in one you focused on rounding spouses. As a response to the other, I refer you to this comment from Seraphita:We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm! On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:28 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Now this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably noting that spouses who work away from home are also separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. My point, though, was not so much about spouses but more about the fact that people who meditate for 7.5 hours a day are not, in my opinion, spiritual warriors and that they obviously have absolutely nothing more desirable or pressing in their lives to apply themselves to. I would have to question their interestingness as human beings let alone their productiveness and ability to take advantage of all of the richness this waking life has to offer. On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein authfriend@... wrote: Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM Share wrote: Ann, I think many spouses who work outside the home are separated from each other from most of the day. When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an important insight.
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Share wrote: Judy, unlike you who simply asserts your opinions as facts, I say I think to designate that in this day and age of many working at home, my statement is qualified in that I don't know all the statistics involved. Nope, sorry, you specified spouses who work *outside the home*: I think many spouses who work outside the home are separated from each other from [sic] most of the day. That isn't even an opinion; it's a truism, verging on a tautology. And your I think qualification didn't have a thing to do with not knowing the statistics. Many was sufficiently vague to cover any uncertainty about numbers. It was the I think that cracked me up, as if you might not be quite sure about such a trivial and obvious fact. False humility on your part, in other words. You do it a lot; it's a function of the general inauthenticity of your FFL persona. As is your attempt here to dishonestly extricate yourself from what I pointed out.
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Judy, outside the home does not almost create a tautology because, as in my family, spouses work outside the home, but in the same place thus are not separated in the way that was being discussed. As for attempting to accurately read my mind regarding my use of I think, you failed IMO. As for my alleged attempt regarding my alleged dishonesty, keep projecting and Happy Mental Health Day tomorrow! On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 11:03 AM, judy stein authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Share wrote: Judy, unlike you who simply asserts your opinions as facts, I say I think to designate that in this day and age of many working at home, my statement is qualified in that I don't know all the statistics involved. Nope, sorry, you specified spouses who work *outside the home*: I think many spouses who work outside the home are separated from each other from [sic] most of the day. That isn't even an opinion; it's a truism, verging on a tautology. And your I think qualification didn't have a thing to do with not knowing the statistics. Many was sufficiently vague to cover any uncertainty about numbers. It was the I think that cracked me up, as if you might not be quite sure about such a trivial and obvious fact. False humility on your part, in other words. You do it a lot; it's a function of the general inauthenticity of your FFL persona. As is your attempt here to dishonestly extricate yourself from what I pointed out.
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Oh, please, Share, your desperation is palpable. You just keep digging yourself in deeper. Most spouses who both work outside the home do not work in the same place. There are some who do, but, you know, that's why I said it was *verging on* a tautology, to leave room for those few. And in any case, that isn't why you said I think... See, there was nothing wrong with the point you made (although it didn't address what Ann was saying). You could have just made it straightforwardly, without the I think, and nobody would have said Boo. You'd have had no reason to defend it the way you're tying yourself into knots trying to do now. Share wrote: Judy, outside the home does not almost create a tautology because, as in my family, spouses work outside the home, but in the same place thus are not separated in the way that was being discussed. As for attempting to accurately read my mind regarding my use of I think, you failed IMO. Your motives are deeply hidden from your conscious mind, Share. But they're pretty clear to most of the rest of us. As for my alleged attempt regarding my alleged dishonesty, keep projecting Nope, no projecting. I'm not dishonest, so no need. Your problem is that when other people recognize your motivations, you resort to dishonesty because they're hidden from you, so you have to make stuff up to explain them away. and Happy Mental Health Day tomorrow! Share wrote: Judy, unlike you who simply asserts your opinions as facts, I say I think to designate that in this day and age of many working at home, my statement is qualified in that I don't know all the statistics involved. Nope, sorry, you specified spouses who work *outside the home*: I think many spouses who work outside the home are separated from each other from [sic] most of the day. That isn't even an opinion; it's a truism, verging on a tautology. And your I think qualification didn't have a thing to do with not knowing the statistics. Many was sufficiently vague to cover any uncertainty about numbers. It was the I think that cracked me up, as if you might not be quite sure about such a trivial and obvious fact. False humility on your part, in other words. You do it a lot; it's a function of the general inauthenticity of your FFL persona. As is your attempt here to dishonestly extricate yourself from what I pointed out.
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Hey Share, if a person is established in silence all the time, they no longer need to round seven and a half hours a day. It continues 24/7. So, there is not really a correlation between time explicitly spent meditating, and a person's ability to be a source of calm, vs a generator of noise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Ann, there were 2 posts and in one you focused on rounding spouses. As a response to the other, I refer you to this comment from Seraphita: We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm! On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:28 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Now this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably noting that spouses who work away from home are also separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. My point, though, was not so much about spouses but more about the fact that people who meditate for 7.5 hours a day are not, in my opinion, spiritual warriors and that they obviously have absolutely nothing more desirable or pressing in their lives to apply themselves to. I would have to question their interestingness as human beings let alone their productiveness and ability to take advantage of all of the richness this waking life has to offer. On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM Share wrote: Ann, I think many spouses who work outside the home are separated from each other from most of the day. When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an important insight.
