Re: [FairfieldLife] MSAE record, was Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
No, you gave an example of what they said on their website--which, considering their track-record, is hardly what I would call proof. Sal On Dec 9, 2005, at 9:58 PM, feste37 wrote: Can't you read? I gave you an example of one success (one out of many, I might add) but you're incapable of seeing it, which pretty much proves my point about where you're coming from.
Re: [FairfieldLife] MSAE record, was Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
You can point to the same obviously biased report (conveniently sent to only a few TBs) over and over again as proof, but until I there are some statistics from an unbiased source, say the Iowa Dept of Education, simply saying, It's true because they/I said so. doesn't mean much. You're taking this way too personally, Feste. Who cares, really? Since, I assume, you don't have any kids in there, and I don't either, it doesn't matter very much. Sal On Dec 10, 2005, at 7:47 AM, feste37 wrote: Wrong again, Sunshine. You still can't read. The example came from the University Report, 2004-05, not the website. And if you think that MSAE is simply lying about its accomplishments, that says more about you than it does about them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] MSAE record, was Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
on 12/10/05 10:03 AM, feste37 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At last we can agree on something. You're right, I don't have any children at MSAE, or anywhere else for that matter, although I hope you won't demand proof of the latter. The truth is, MSAE is a mixed bag. I taught there once, within the last decade, although not for long. There were some students there who were outstanding by any measure, some who were average and some who were, shall we say, challenged. The achievements are real, but it's a certain type of ideal student who succeeds there, and if you don't fit the mold, it's not so easy for you. Your points about capable teachers leaving is valid, and this is cause for regret. Personally, I think it is ludicrous for the movement to charge a million dollars for a course and yet fail to adequately compensate its teachers at the school. Were I in charge of MSAE (which is about as likely as my being chosen by NASA for the first manned flight to Mars), I would run things differently. You wouldn't be able to, because you would be answerable to Bevan who is answerable to MMY. He is the final authority on all money matters, etc. It's founded on a brilliant idea -- holistic education with a knowledge of the Self -- and I hope it finds a way of staying open in spite of plunging enrollment. There are many important things it is doing right, and it offers something that is not available in the public schools here. I think you offer a fair assessment, from my limited perspective. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] MSAE record, was Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
Agreed. Sal On Dec 10, 2005, at 10:03 AM, feste37 wrote: The truth is, MSAE is a mixed bag. I taught there once, within the last decade, although not for long. There were some students there who were outstanding by any measure, some who were average and some who were, shall we say, challenged. The achievements are real, but it's a certain type of ideal student who succeeds there, and if you don't fit the mold, it's not so easy for you. Your points about capable teachers leaving is valid, and this is cause for regret. Personally, I think it is ludicrous for the movement to charge a million dollars for a course and yet fail to adequately compensate its teachers at the school.
Re: [FairfieldLife] MSAE record, was Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 9, 2005, at 3:32 PM, feste37 wrote: No, it's not changed. Although the brutally cynical posters on this board will never acknowledge it, MSAE has a remarkable record of significant achievement. See the list compiled below, which I have taken from the MSAE website. Yes, now there's a credible, objective source. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Considering the track record of the MSAE, would you trust your > > children, if you had them, to the teachers there? > > The track record has always seemed rather good. Has this changed? MSAE HIGHLIGHTS OF ACHIEVEMENTS In the past decade, students at Maharishi School have won more than 100 state titles in science, speech, drama, writing, poetry, spelling, art, photography, history, mathematics, chess, tennis, golf, track, and Destination ImagiNation, a national and international creative problem-solving competition. Do you believe everything you read on websites, Feste? Notice the lack of specifics, or even the lack of names. What state titles were these, anyway? Grades 10-12 score in the top 1% nationally, and in Iowa, on standardized tests (ITED) 95% of graduates accepted at four-year colleges Many if not most of the graduates there go to MUM. Again, if they're all going to well-known colleges, they would mention which ones. Over ten times the nation's average for National Merit Scholar Finalists over the past five years What does that mean, exactly? The nation doesn't have an average for National Merit Scholar Finalists, individual high schools do. State Record: 41 state championships in creative problem-solving competitions Destination ImagiNation and Odyssey of the Mind Yep. And these programs are so great that every other private school in the country participates in them, right? Ever been to their websites? World Record: Winners of the Global Finals of Destination ImagiNation, and more top-ten finishes than any other school in the world First Place: American High School Math Exam, Iowa Division, four years in a row First Place: Five first-place finishes, Iowa State History Fair, Senior Division First Place: Ten first-place finishes in the senior division of the Eastern Iowa or Hawkeye state science fairs Grand Champions: Eight grand champion awards in the past decade in the junior division of the Eastern Iowa Science and Engineering Fair First place: Twice winner of the state spelling bee State Record: Most Critic's Choice State Banner Awards for speech in the past decade (16) National Champion: Bravo Cable Channel High School Theater Competition State Record: Congressional Art Competition, An Artistic Discovery, grand prize three years in a row First Place: Iowa Poetry Association's high school contest First Place: Iowa Young Writer of the Year award State Champion: Iowa Junior Chess Championship First Place: Iowa Educational Media Association (Photography) Grand Prize: International Photo Imaging Education Association competition State Champions: 16 boys' state tennis championships, tying for the most in Iowa history State Champion: Girls' state singles tennis State Record: Tennis Triple Crown winner two years in a row State Record: Boys' track 800 m State Champions: Golf team and individual ESVN * The End School Violence Now (ESVN) and Students Creating Peace Network (SCPN) has given presentations on radio stations, participated in Youth Development in the 21st Century sponsored by the 4-H clubs of America, and given presentations to guests of the School. The students have given presentations at the St.Louis Enlightened Sentencing Project Graduation. They were invited to represent Southeast Iowa at the Youth Development in the 21st Century Conference at Iowa State University in Ames, and invited to Expo High School in Waterloo, Iowa. They were also invited to the kick-off event for the Season of Non-Violence in Los Angeles where they spoke to educators, parents and the event organizers. While in Los Angeles a presentation was given at a South Los Angeles alternative High School. All the events met with great success. The students are working on a student-to-student video, a web site, and other projects to bring 8,000 Yogic Flyers to Maharishi University of Management and Maharishi Vedic City. > > I can't comment on these assertions, but has the school changed inthe > past few months and years. National Merit Scholarship and semi- > finalists don't grow on trees. Nor do exceptionaly high scores on > standardized tests. > > Now > > personally I can't imagine why anyone would object to those things, > but > > there you have it. And the few halfway decent teachers that have > > remained teach the boys, since the education of girls apparently
Re: [FairfieldLife] MSAE record, was Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 9, 2005, at 6:14 PM, feste37 wrote: You are so intent on denigrating the achievements of others that you can see nothing but faults and failures. Successes should also be acknowledged, in my view. I agree. Got any? I mean real ones, with specifics. That doesn't mean that the school is perfect, or without serious problems, but its successes are undeniable to any reasonable observer. Really? Is that why, with a few exceptions, most parents take their kids out at some point, usually for at least a year or two if not several. Nor are these successes all in the past. If you were to look at the University Report, 2004-05, you would see full details of awards won, with names of competitions and students. (I don't think it's available online; How convenient. it's sent to donors.) Here's just one example: Maharishi School students won more first- and second-place awards than any other school in the world at the Destination ImagiNation world competition held in Knoxville, Tennessee. I don't expect to convince you of the merits of the school, nor do I care to, since you appear to be more interested in venting your anger and cynicism than in pursuing the truth, but I hope there are others on this forum who are capable of reaching more accurate, balanced and informed conclusions than you are. Doubtful. :) Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] MSAE record, was Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
on 12/9/05 7:07 PM, lurkernomore20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it's not changed. Although the brutally cynical posters on this board will never acknowledge it, MSAE has a remarkable record of significant achievement. See the list compiled below, which I have taken from the MSAE website. Okay, maybe I'm shooting from the hip cause I'm jumping in on this thread, but is it so difficult to train or inspire kids to be high achievers? I always had the impression that MSAE and the MIU community had something to prove with MSAE. That even though we were fringe, we could out-achieve, out-perform the traditional segment. And that this was a kind of mission. Here's the true test. How well adjusted are these kids? Compared to kids in general? I guess you'd have to collect honest data on drug use, arrest records, sexually transmitted diseases, etc., presuming those indicate poor adjustment, as well as positive measures, and compare them with the larger population of kids of similar socio-economic status. My guess is that there wouldn't be a dramatic discrepancy, but I may be wrong. I was still high school age when I learned TM and it had a tremendously healing influence. It amazes me that kids who grew up meditating would still enjoy drugs and not find their effect distasteful. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
