Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I bet everyone has experienced this deepest level of love at some point in their lives. Actually, I think we ARE this, at our core. And life delivers whatever we need to realize this and live it all the time. Which I don't. But it's my intention. Great intention and I wish more were motivated that way; can you imagine what a different world we would be living in? But, I am not saying that many have not experienced deep love at some point in their lives what I am saying that it is just as valid to also experience disapproval or downright repugnance at something a loved one might enact or believe and that is just as valid. Reality is not all about rainbows and roses - the richness of life also includes the sopping wet downpour and the thorns. Ann, Now I gotta return your kind words previously sent to me: You are rich I guess I'm paraphrasing, but sincere. Hey, you two -- tell us more! On Thursday, October 2, 2014 12:07 PM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. Hmmm, you are fortunate if this is your actual experience but for me it sounds like this came out of a book or two that you read. I'm not saying this is not your experience it is just that it doesn't sound like your every day experience. On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I liked this photo series, although I can't get a couple of the HuffPo images to transform properly in either Firefox or Chrome. The photographer makes his point admirably IMO -- when Americans think of people from different ethnic groups, they seem to have an internal image of them based on the imprint of years of propaganda and prejudice, and which they then project onto the person they're looking at, not really seeing them at all. I would suggest that we often see the same phenomenon here on FFL, especially regarding a few people who some people love to hate. It doesn't seem to matter what these hate-objects really say or how they say it, the haters see them the way they see them in their minds anyway and characterize them using the same old fundamentalist stereotypes. It's as if their internal image of the person they dislike always wins, leaving them unable to see any other aspect of the person they're hating on. Some examples of Joel Parés photos are below in the HuffPo article, others at the link under his name. 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereotypes 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereot... Terrorist. Gangster. Stripper. Landscaper. When people are viewed as stereotypes, they're labeled on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation. P... View on www.huffingtonpost... Preview by Yahoo Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum is the way that a number of people react to the word Atheist. It should be pretty clear at this point that jr_esq, Steve, and Nabby in particular have a *strong* aversion both to the word and to the ideas they have in their minds of what an Atheist is. From my point of view, it's as if when they hear (or read) the word, the thinking part of their minds turns off completely, and all they can do is react -- emotionally, angrily, and without making much sense -- to the internal image of Atheists they carry around inside their heads. The most interesting part of this Atheist Hatred is that those who suffer from it seem to think that every time an atheist speaks, they're trying to convert those who believe in God. I've rarely ever seen this, on any forum, and don't think it happens very often *except* in the minds of believers. So with this in mind, and inspired by Joel's photos, here are a few alternative images of Atheists to balance the ones they seem unable to get rid of:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.
On Thursday, October 2, 2014 6:51 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
I liked this photo series, although I can't get a couple of the HuffPo
images to transform properly in either Firefox or Chrome. The photographer
makes his point admirably IMO -- when Americans think of people from different
ethnic groups, they seem to have an internal image of them based on the
imprint of years of propaganda and prejudice, and which they then project
onto the person they're looking at, not really seeing them at all.
I would suggest that we often see the same phenomenon here on FFL, especially
regarding a few people who some people love to hate. It doesn't seem to
matter what these hate-objects really say or how they say it, the haters see
them the way they see them in their minds anyway and characterize them using
the same old fundamentalist stereotypes. It's as if their internal image of
the person they dislike always wins, leaving them unable to see any other
aspect of the person they're hating on. Some examples of Joel Parés photos are
below in the HuffPo article, others at the link under his name.
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Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum is the way
that a number of people react to the word Atheist. It should be pretty clear
at this point that jr_esq, Steve, and Nabby in particular have a *strong*
aversion both to the word and to the ideas they have in their minds of what an
Atheist is. From my point of view, it's as if when they hear (or read) the
word, the thinking part of their minds turns off completely, and all they can
do is react -- emotionally, angrily, and without making much sense -- to the
internal image of Atheists they carry around inside their heads.
The most interesting part of this Atheist Hatred is that those who suffer from
it seem to think that every time an atheist speaks, they're trying to convert
those who believe in God. I've rarely ever seen this, on any forum, and don't
think it happens very often *except* in the minds of believers. So with this in
mind, and inspired by Joel's photos, here are a few alternative images of
Atheists to balance the ones they seem unable to get rid of:
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
Not sure what you are saying below Barry. Likely the usual basket of insults, mocking etc. But, what you probably miss, is that if your beliefs pretty much check all the boxes for being a classic theist. Now, I know that goes against the meme you have of yourself as Barry Wright, hipster, renegade, rebel with an anti TM cause, but thems the facts. Ain't no thang. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I liked this photo series, although I can't get a couple of the HuffPo images to transform properly in either Firefox or Chrome. The photographer makes his point admirably IMO -- when Americans think of people from different ethnic groups, they seem to have an internal image of them based on the imprint of years of propaganda and prejudice, and which they then project onto the person they're looking at, not really seeing them at all. I would suggest that we often see the same phenomenon here on FFL, especially regarding a few people who some people love to hate. It doesn't seem to matter what these hate-objects really say or how they say it, the haters see them the way they see them in their minds anyway and characterize them using the same old fundamentalist stereotypes. It's as if their internal image of the person they dislike always wins, leaving them unable to see any other aspect of the person they're hating on. Some examples of Joel Parés http://www.joelpares.com/ photos are below in the HuffPo article, others at the link under his name. 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereotypes http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereot... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html Terrorist. Gangster. Stripper. Landscaper. When people are viewed as stereotypes, they're labeled on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation. P... View on www.huffingtonpost... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html Preview by Yahoo Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum is the way that a number of people react to the word Atheist. It should be pretty clear at this point that jr_esq, Steve, and Nabby in particular have a *strong* aversion both to the word and to the ideas they have in their minds of what an Atheist is. From my point of view, it's as if when they hear (or read) the word, the thinking part of their minds turns off completely, and all they can do is react -- emotionally, angrily, and without making much sense -- to the internal image of Atheists they carry around inside their heads. The most interesting part of this Atheist Hatred is that those who suffer from it seem to think that every time an atheist speaks, they're trying to convert those who believe in God. I've rarely ever seen this, on any forum, and don't think it happens very often *except* in the minds of believers. So with this in mind, and inspired by Joel's photos, here are a few alternative images of Atheists to balance the ones they seem unable to get rid of:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Not sure what you are saying below Barry. Likely the usual basket of insults, mocking etc. But, what you probably miss, is that your beliefs pretty much check all the boxes for being a classic theist. Now, I know that goes against the meme you have of yourself as Barry Wright, hipster, renegade, rebel with an anti TM cause, but thems the facts. Ain't no thang. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I liked this photo series, although I can't get a couple of the HuffPo images to transform properly in either Firefox or Chrome. The photographer makes his point admirably IMO -- when Americans think of people from different ethnic groups, they seem to have an internal image of them based on the imprint of years of propaganda and prejudice, and which they then project onto the person they're looking at, not really seeing them at all. I would suggest that we often see the same phenomenon here on FFL, especially regarding a few people who some people love to hate. It doesn't seem to matter what these hate-objects really say or how they say it, the haters see them the way they see them in their minds anyway and characterize them using the same old fundamentalist stereotypes. It's as if their internal image of the person they dislike always wins, leaving them unable to see any other aspect of the person they're hating on. Some examples of Joel Parés http://www.joelpares.com/ photos are below in the HuffPo article, others at the link under his name. 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereotypes http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereot... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html Terrorist. Gangster. Stripper. Landscaper. When people are viewed as stereotypes, they're labeled on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation. P... View on www.huffingtonpost... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html Preview by Yahoo Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum is the way that a number of people react to the word Atheist. It should be pretty clear at this point that jr_esq, Steve, and Nabby in particular have a *strong* aversion both to the word and to the ideas they have in their minds of what an Atheist is. From my point of view, it's as if when they hear (or read) the word, the thinking part of their minds turns off completely, and all they can do is react -- emotionally, angrily, and without making much sense -- to the internal image of Atheists they carry around inside their heads. The most interesting part of this Atheist Hatred is that those who suffer from it seem to think that every time an atheist speaks, they're trying to convert those who believe in God. I've rarely ever seen this, on any forum, and don't think it happens very often *except* in the minds of believers. So with this in mind, and inspired by Joel's photos, here are a few alternative images of Atheists to balance the ones they seem unable to get rid of:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. Dearest Share, May your words serve as a guiding light for all who hear. My observance: Yom Kippur (Hebrew: יוֹם כִּפּוּר or יום הכיפורים), Also known as Day of Atonement, is the holiest day of the year for the Jews. Its central themes are atonement and repentance. Yom Kippur completes the annual period known in Judaism as the High Holy Days (or sometimes the Days of Awe). On Thursday, October 2, 2014 6:51 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I liked this photo series, although I can't get a couple of the HuffPo images to transform properly in either Firefox or Chrome. The photographer makes his point admirably IMO -- when Americans think of people from different ethnic groups, they seem to have an internal image of them based on the imprint of years of propaganda and prejudice, and which they then project onto the person they're looking at, not really seeing them at all. I would suggest that we often see the same phenomenon here on FFL, especially regarding a few people who some people love to hate. It doesn't seem to matter what these hate-objects really say or how they say it, the haters see them the way they see them in their minds anyway and characterize them using the same old fundamentalist stereotypes. It's as if their internal image of the person they dislike always wins, leaving them unable to see any other aspect of the person they're hating on. Some examples of Joel Parés http://www.joelpares.com/ photos are below in the HuffPo article, others at the link under his name. 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereotypes http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereot... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html Terrorist. Gangster. Stripper. Landscaper. When people are viewed as stereotypes, they're labeled on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation. P... View on www.huffingtonpost... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html Preview by Yahoo Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum is the way that a number of people react to the word Atheist. It should be pretty clear at this point that jr_esq, Steve, and Nabby in particular have a *strong* aversion both to the word and to the ideas they have in their minds of what an Atheist is. From my point of view, it's as if when they hear (or read) the word, the thinking part of their minds turns off completely, and all they can do is react -- emotionally, angrily, and without making much sense -- to the internal image of Atheists they carry around inside their heads. The most interesting part of this Atheist Hatred is that those who suffer from it seem to think that every time an atheist speaks, they're trying to convert those who believe in God. I've rarely ever seen this, on any forum, and don't think it happens very often *except* in the minds of believers. So with this in mind, and inspired by Joel's photos, here are a few alternative images of Atheists to balance the ones they seem unable to get rid of:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum is the way that a number of people react to the word Atheist. It should be pretty clear at this point that jr_esq, Steve, and Nabby in particular have a *strong* aversion both to the word and to the ideas they have in their minds of what an Atheist is. From my point of view, it's as if when they hear (or read) the word, the thinking part of their minds turns off completely, and all they can do is react -- emotionally, angrily, and without making much sense -- to the internal image of Atheists they carry around inside their heads. Fascinating for you maybe. For me I don't separate the world into God believers and non God believers - that would be far too tiresome and closed-minded. And I certainly don't spend time worrying about who believes what when it comes to religion or gods or the Easter Bunny for that matter. One day, bawee, you might try giving yourself a break and just letting it go; stop worrying about changing or even critiquing upon what others believe or don't believe. You get yourself so het up about it I am surprised you havent' had a stroke (or maybe you have). Now you speak below about others trying to convert people to believe in God. Isn't your point of this little post to try and convert the believers into non-believers or at least to denigrate their beliefs? Of course it is, you silly man. The little poster below featuring the babies as atheists was funny though. The most interesting part of this Atheist Hatred is that those who suffer from it seem to think that every time an atheist speaks, they're trying to convert those who believe in God. I've rarely ever seen this, on any forum, and don't think it happens very often *except* in the minds of believers. So with this in mind, and inspired by Joel's photos, here are a few alternative images of Atheists to balance the ones they seem unable to get rid of:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum is the way that a number of people react to the word Atheist. It should be pretty clear at this point that jr_esq, Steve, and Nabby in particular have a *strong* aversion both to the word and to the ideas they have in their minds of what an Atheist is. From my point of view, it's as if when they hear (or read) the word, the thinking part of their minds turns off completely, and all they can do is react -- emotionally, angrily, and without making much sense -- to the internal image of Atheists they carry around inside their heads. Fascinating for you maybe. For me I don't separate the world into God believers and non God believers - that would be far too tiresome and closed-minded. And I certainly don't spend time worrying about who believes what when it comes to religion or gods or the Easter Bunny for that matter. One day, bawee, you might try giving yourself a break and just letting it go; stop worrying about changing or even critiquing upon what others believe or don't believe. You get yourself so het up about it I am surprised you havent' had a stroke (or maybe you have). Now you speak below about others trying to convert people to believe in God. Isn't your point of this little post to try and convert the believers into non-believers or at least to denigrate their beliefs? Of course it is, you silly man. The little poster below featuring the babies as atheists was funny though. The most interesting part of this Atheist Hatred is that those who suffer from it seem to think that every time an atheist speaks, they're trying to convert those who believe in God. I've rarely ever seen this, on any forum, and don't think it happens very often *except* in the minds of believers. So with this in mind, and inspired by Joel's photos, here are a few alternative images of Atheists to balance the ones they seem unable to get rid of: And representing the God-lovers, here's a lovely quote that arrived in my inbox just now: QUESTION: Is there one God, or are there many gods? MAHARISHI: If there are many gods, they must be working together as one God in order to keep all ends of the vast, expanding universe functioning in good coordination with each other. So we would not mind if there are many gods; we would not mind if there is one God. Whether many gods or one God, there definitely is the infinite diversity of the ever-expanding universe. Look to these words: 'infinite diversity of the ever-expanding universe', that is being administered by someone or many functioning in good faith with each other. It does not matter whether one or many. If someone believes there is one, he says, 'You are right; He can be one.' Or if there are many, many also will be functioning as one, unified. It is not that one [god] says, 'Yes, I will do this,' and the others say, 'No, I cannot do this.' It is not a matter of voting. It is a matter of acting in union with each other. One God or many gods, it does not matter. Whether one or many, it does not matter. Whatever we like, we can choose. There must be many, many gods to take care of many, many galaxies and many, many individuals, yes? There are so many species: tigers are there, monkeys are there, elephants are there, men are there. And men are living in North Pole and South Pole and here and there and there and there. So there must be many, many representations or representatives of God if there is one God, or no harm saying all gods. But all gods are in a perfect unified state. That means Unity Consciousness is ruling the universe. That is how the universe, with all these varieties and differences, is being run all the time in perfect order — all the time in perfect order. One God is also right; many gods is also right.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum is the way that a number of people react to the word Atheist. It should be pretty clear at this point that jr_esq, Steve, and Nabby in particular have a *strong* aversion both to the word and to the ideas they have in their minds of what an Atheist is. From my point of view, it's as if when they hear (or read) the word, the thinking part of their minds turns off completely, and all they can do is react -- emotionally, angrily, and without making much sense -- to the internal image of Atheists they carry around inside their heads. Fascinating for you maybe. For me I don't separate the world into God believers and non God believers - that would be far too tiresome and closed-minded. And I certainly don't spend time worrying about who believes what when it comes to religion or gods or the Easter Bunny for that matter. One day, bawee, you might try giving yourself a break and just letting it go; stop worrying about changing or even critiquing upon what others believe or don't believe. You get yourself so het up about it I am surprised you havent' had a stroke (or maybe you have). Now you speak below about others trying to convert people to believe in God. Isn't your point of this little post to try and convert the believers into non-believers or at least to denigrate their beliefs? Of course it is, you silly man. The little poster below featuring the babies as atheists was funny though. The most interesting part of this Atheist Hatred is that those who suffer from it seem to think that every time an atheist speaks, they're trying to convert those who believe in God. I've rarely ever seen this, on any forum, and don't think it happens very often *except* in the minds of believers. So with this in mind, and inspired by Joel's photos, here are a few alternative images of Atheists to balance the ones they seem unable to get rid of: And representing the God-lovers, here's a lovely quote that arrived in my inbox just now: QUESTION: Is there one God, or are there many gods? MAHARISHI: If there are many gods, they must be working together as one God in order to keep all ends of the vast, expanding universe functioning in good coordination with each other. So we would not mind if there are many gods; we would not mind if there is one God. Whether many gods or one God, there definitely is the infinite diversity of the ever-expanding universe. Look to these words: 'infinite diversity of the ever-expanding universe', that is being administered by someone or many functioning in good faith with each other. It does not matter whether one or many. If someone believes there is one, he says, 'You are right; He can be one.' Or if there are many, many also will be functioning as one, unified. It is not that one [god] says, 'Yes, I will do this,' and the others say, 'No, I cannot do this.' It is not a matter of voting. It is a matter of acting in union with each other. One God or many gods, it does not matter. Whether one or many, it does not matter. Whatever we like, we can choose. There must be many, many gods to take care of many, many galaxies and many, many individuals, yes? There are so many species: tigers are there, monkeys are there, elephants are there, men are there. And men are living in North Pole and South Pole and here and there and there and there. So there must be many, many representations or representatives of God if there is one God, or no harm saying all gods. But all gods are in a perfect unified state. That means Unity Consciousness is ruling the universe. That is how the universe, with all these varieties and differences, is being run all the time in perfect order — all the time in perfect order. One God is also right; many gods is also right. Thanks for the quote. You can really feel MMY in this one. I am not sure I agree with all of it but that's not the point, is it? The point is that there are many ways to view the universe and many of them can be right, all at the same time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
Thank you, Dan. It feels like a pretty powerful time, High Holy Days coinciding
with Nine Days of Mother Divine. Victory Day tomorrow...
On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:10 AM, danfriedman2002
no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.
Dearest Share,
May your words serve as a guiding light for all who hear.
My observance:
Yom Kippur (Hebrew: יוֹם כִּפּוּר or יום הכיפורים), Also known as Day of
Atonement, is the holiest day of the year for the Jews. Its central themes are
atonement and repentance. Yom Kippur completes the annual period known in
Judaism as the High Holy Days (or sometimes the Days of Awe). On Thursday,
October 2, 2014 6:51 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
I liked this photo series, although I can't get a couple of the HuffPo images
to transform properly in either Firefox or Chrome. The photographer makes his
point admirably IMO -- when Americans think of people from different ethnic
groups, they seem to have an internal image of them based on the imprint of
years of propaganda and prejudice, and which they then project onto the
person they're looking at, not really seeing them at all.
I would suggest that we often see the same phenomenon here on FFL, especially
regarding a few people who some people love to hate. It doesn't seem to
matter what these hate-objects really say or how they say it, the haters see
them the way they see them in their minds anyway and characterize them using
the same old fundamentalist stereotypes. It's as if their internal image of
the person they dislike always wins, leaving them unable to see any other
aspect of the person they're hating on. Some examples of Joel Parés photos are
below in the HuffPo article, others at the link underhis name.
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Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum is the way
that a number of people react to the word Atheist. It should be pretty clear
at this point that jr_esq, Steve, and Nabby in particular have a *strong*
aversion both to the word and to the ideas they have in their minds of what an
Atheist is. From my point of view, it's as if when they hear (or read) the
word, the thinking part of their minds turns off completely, and all they can
do is react -- emotionally, angrily, and without making much sense -- to the
internal image of Atheists they carry around inside their heads.
The most interesting part of this Atheist Hatred is that those who suffer from
it seem to think that every time an atheist speaks, they're trying to convert
those who believe in God. I've rarely ever seen this, on any forum, and don't
think it happens very often *except* in the minds of believers. So with this in
mind, and inspired by Joel's photos, here are a few alternative images of
Atheists to balance the ones they seem unable to get rid of:
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.
On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.
That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I
might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. Hmmm, you are fortunate if this is your actual experience but for me it sounds like this came out of a book or two that you read. I'm not saying this is not your experience it is just that it doesn't sound like your every day experience. On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
Ann, I bet everyone has experienced this deepest level of love at some point in
their lives. Actually, I think we ARE this, at our core. And life delivers
whatever we need to realize this and live it all the time. Which I don't. But
it's my intention.
On Thursday, October 2, 2014 12:07 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.
Hmmm, you are fortunate if this is your actual experience but for me it sounds
like this came out of a book or two that you read. I'm not saying this is not
your experience it is just that it doesn't sound like your every day experience.
On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.
That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I
might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed
because one is being honest.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. Hmmm, you are fortunate if this is your actual experience but for me it sounds like this came out of a book or two that you read. I'm not saying this is not your experience it is just that it doesn't sound like your every day experience. This is so beautiful! So inspiring. I'm moved. Are those my tears dropping gently on the screen? On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. On 10/2/2014 12:07 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Hmmm, you are fortunate if this is your actual experience but for me it sounds like this came out of a book or two that you read. I'm not saying this is not your experience it is just that it doesn't sound like your every day experience. /Love is not all: it is not meat nor drink// //Nor slumber nor a roof against the rain; // //Nor yet a floating spar to men that sink // //And rise and sink and rise and sink again; // //Love can not fill the thickened lung with breath, // //Nor clean the blood, nor set the fractured bone; // //Yet many a man is making friends with death // //Even as I speak, for lack of love alone. // //It well may be that in a difficult hour, // //Pinned down by pain and moaning for release, // //Or nagged by want past resolution’s power, // //I might be driven to sell your love for peace, // //Or trade the memory of this night for food. // //It well may be. I do not think I would. / Love is Not All - It IS Not Meat Nor Drink http://www.poets.org/poetsorg/poem/love-not-all-sonnet-xxx http://www.humanities360.com/index.php/poetry-analysis-sonnet-xxx-by-edna-st-vincent-millay-6971/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edna_St._Vincent_Millay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edna_St._Vincent_Millay
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
On 10/2/2014 6:51 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ...when Americans think of people from different ethnic groups, they seem to have an internal image of them based on the imprint of years of propaganda and prejudice, and which they then project onto the person they're looking at, not really seeing them at all. Sort of like this reply Barry posted in response to one of my early messages: /Willy, since fucking prairie dogs or whatever you do with your time// //doesn't seem to fill enough of it lately, and you've been going out// //of your way to associate me with Rama and thus with a big, bad// //cult figure, I figure I should explain a couple of things.//../ Author: Uncle Tantra Subject: Open Letter To Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2003-08-06 08:53:26 PST
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/2/2014 6:51 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: ...when Americans think of people from different ethnic groups, they seem to have an internal image of them based on the imprint of years of propaganda and prejudice, and which they then project onto the person they're looking at, not really seeing them at all. Sort of like this reply Barry posted in response to one of my early messages: Willy, since fucking prairie dogs or whatever you do with your time doesn't seem to fill enough of it lately, and you've been going out of your way to associate me with Rama and thus with a big, bad cult figure, I figure I should explain a couple of things... Author: Uncle Tantra Subject: Open Letter To Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2003-08-06 08:53:26 PST The I figure I should explain a couple of things... would have unnerved me. But that's just me... ...reading the last sentence of Uncle's rant. ...when Americans think of people from different ethnic groups, they seem to have an internal image of them based on the imprint of years of propaganda and prejudice, and which they then project onto the person they're looking at, not really seeing them at all. Sort of like this reply Barry posted in response to one of my early messages: Willy, since fucking prairie dogs or whatever you do with your time doesn't seem to fill enough of it lately, and you've been going out of your way to associate me with Rama and thus with a big, bad cult figure, I figure I should explain a couple of things... Author: Uncle Tantra Subject: Open Letter To Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2003-08-06 08:53:26 PST The
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
On 10/2/2014 6:51 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum is the way that a number of people react to the word Atheist. Barry seems fascinated with the word atheist for some reason, but he's not really one of them: atheists don't usually believe in eternal Buddhas, Bodhisattvas, karma, reincarnation and notions of the Tibetan Bardo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo Atheism is the rejection of the belief in the existence of deities or that there are deities, but no credible atheist claims they can prove that God does not exist. Neither can atheism explain why there is something in the first place rather than nothing. It's also absurd to believe that the the universe has always existed because the concept of eternality is not found in the practical world - everything we know is temporary. Go figure. /There are no atheists in foxholes./ - Ernie Pyle /In fact, 'atheism' is a term that should not even exist. No one ever needs to identify himself as a 'non-astrologer' or a non-alchemist. We do not have words for people who doubt that Elvis is still alive or that aliens have traversed the galaxy only to molest ranchers and their cattle. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs./ - Sam Harris Works cited: 'Letter to a Christian Nation' by Sam Harris Vintage, 2006 p. 51
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I bet everyone has experienced this deepest level of love at some point in their lives. Actually, I think we ARE this, at our core. And life delivers whatever we need to realize this and live it all the time. Which I don't. But it's my intention. Great intention and I wish more were motivated that way; can you imagine what a different world we would be living in? But, I am not saying that many have not experienced deep love at some point in their lives what I am saying that it is just as valid to also experience disapproval or downright repugnance at something a loved one might enact or believe and that is just as valid. Reality is not all about rainbows and roses - the richness of life also includes the sopping wet downpour and the thorns. On Thursday, October 2, 2014 12:07 PM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. Hmmm, you are fortunate if this is your actual experience but for me it sounds like this came out of a book or two that you read. I'm not saying this is not your experience it is just that it doesn't sound like your every day experience. On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
Thanks, Richard. Here's my favorite Edna St. Vincent Millay:
God's World
By Edna St. Vincent Millay O world, I cannot hold thee close enough! Thy
winds, thy wide grey skies! Thy mists, that roll and rise! Thy woods, this
autumn day, that ache and sag And all but cry with colour! That gaunt crag To
crush! To lift the lean of that black bluff! World, World, I cannot get thee
close enough!
Long have I known a glory in it all, But never knew I this;
Here such a passion is As stretcheth me apart,—Lord, I do fear Thou’st made the
world too beautiful this year; My soul is all but out of me,—let fall No
burning leaf; prithee, let no bird call.
On Thursday, October 2, 2014 5:24 PM, 'Richard J. Williams'
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including
the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then
one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is
not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.
On 10/2/2014 12:07 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Hmmm, you are fortunate if this is your actual experience but for me it
sounds like this came out of a book or two that you read. I'm not saying this
is not your experience it is just that it doesn't sound like your every day
experience.
Love is not all: it is not meat nor drink
Nor slumber nor a roof against the rain;
Nor yet a floating spar to men that sink
And rise and sink and rise and sink again;
Love can not fill the thickened lung with breath,
Nor clean the blood, nor set the fractured bone;
Yet many a man is making friends with death
Even as I speak, for lack of love alone.
It well may be that in a difficult hour,
Pinned down by pain and moaning for release,
Or nagged by want past resolution’s power,
I might be driven to sell your love for peace,
Or trade the memory of this night for food.
It well may be. I do not think I would.
Love is Not All - It IS Not Meat Nor Drink
http://www.poets.org/poetsorg/poem/love-not-all-sonnet-xxx
http://www.humanities360.com/index.php/poetry-analysis-sonnet-xxx-by-edna-st-vincent-millay-6971/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edna_St._Vincent_Millay
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