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He doesn't want to talk about the Cathars anymore. You are forgetting your take-down of Barry over on alt.religion.gnostic where Barry got poked fun at for not realizing that bogomils are derived from Paulicans, Paulicans from Manicheans, Manicheans from Gnostics. thus Cathars are derived from Gnostics. Moggers can understand this simple fact, 'cletantra can't. - Klaus Schilling On 11/13/2013 5:26 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *FWIW, when Barry first announced on alt.m.t that he was leaving the U.S. to live in Europe some years ago (2004? 2003? can't remember), he told us he was taking this step so he could write (or finish?) his novel about the Cathars.* * * *We haven't heard anything about that novel since, as far as I can recall.* *Seraphita wrote:* Re I'm in the same room of a castle, or in the courtyard of a large city like Carcassonne . . and Papal Palace in Avignon, realizing that I had not only been there before but been tortured (probably to death) there.: Aha! So you are claiming you were a Cathar in a previous life. As in The Cathars Reincarnation by Arthur Guirdham (first edition 1970) up to Labyrinth by Kate Mosse set both in the Middle Ages and present-day France and published in 2005. Two possibilities: 1) your imagination has been hyper-activated by reading too much on this popular theme. 2) you really were a Cathar and your present incarnation is a continuation of the spiritual life you led back then. So your interest in FFL. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita wrote: I was going to say this: If I was to find myself suddenly in a past-life - let's say in Elizabethan London - I'd take careful note of what clothes the people around me wore, what food they ate, what the houses looked like, etc. and then when I returned I'd check against the best-available historical evidence. Here's the thing though: if you were to have a past-life recall can you alter what you're thinking or doing? If it's a far-memory of you in a previous life is the you that's you in the 21st century having the recall able to change anything? I cannot speak to hypothetical situations like yours. I can only say what it was like for me. For me it was *not* like lucid dreaming, which I have practiced and gotten good enough at that I could change things in the dream to suit myself. The flashes I've had were all short-lived -- thirty seconds to at most a couple of minutes -- during which I was completely immersed in the scene. I *did* seem to have some volition, in that I could decide to try to talk to someone, and pull that off, but it was not the I'm in control of this vision kinda thang one experiences with lucid dreaming. I never sought any of these flashes, nor am I interested in doing so now. They just happened, almost always when I was in the physical location where the original events took place. That's the part that's so much FUN about whatever it is. I'm in the same room of a castle, or in the courtyard of a large city like Carcassonne, and one moment I'm here and now and the next I'm here and then. The overall scene doesn't change, just the details -- like what people are wearing, eating, etc. I guess I could have been more Sherlock Holmes-y about it, but frankly each time it's happened it's come as such a surprise and been so thoroughly entertaining that I just allowed myself to be entertained.
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You really got to the office early today and already you've put Barry in his place. I can see who comes first on your agenda. Good work! Wasn't Barry the guy that remembered a past life over on a.m.t? Go figure. On 11/13/2013 7:40 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *Barry wrote:* Why doesn't anyone who claims to remember their past lives ever claim to have been one of the scullery maids or janitors? Howcum they're all famous? *Oh, there are plenty of people who remember lives as slaves* *and servants and beggars and so on.* * * *What's much more interesting than the social status, high or* *low, that folks claim for their past lives is that the vast majority* *of these lives were purportedly lived /in historical times/.//You* *find very few folks remembering lives as anonymous hunter-* *gatherers or agricultural workers during the hundreds of* *thousands of years before humans figured out how to keep* *records.*
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Oy! I just got it Judy! Duh! Well I've always thought of myself as an early morning person and imho, that explains a lot. sigh...I'm never gonna be the sharpest tack in the FFL box but that's ok with me. How boring it would be if we were all the same. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Right, I'm threatened because you stupidly got something I said wrong and can't bring yourself to admit it. Share, I know you're trying your best, but really... Think, honey, think. Don't just blather. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Next step, Judy resorts to ridicule. But why? Why does she feel so threatened? And so often? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: (giggle) Poor baby. Share boo-hooed: I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted to name calling. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with OTOH in response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc. Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go figure (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Does anyone here know the source of the quote My indestructible Maya? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it. Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the latter) Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL. I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, Vegenaise, a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.
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Good for you, Share. I don't think this was easy for you to acknowledge. Thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Oy! I just got it Judy! Duh! Well I've always thought of myself as an early morning person and imho, that explains a lot. sigh...I'm never gonna be the sharpest tack in the FFL box but that's ok with me. How boring it would be if we were all the same. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Right, I'm threatened because you stupidly got something I said wrong and can't bring yourself to admit it. Share, I know you're trying your best, but really... Think, honey, think. Don't just blather. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Next step, Judy resorts to ridicule. But why? Why does she feel so threatened? And so often? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: (giggle) Poor baby. Share boo-hooed: I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted to name calling. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with OTOH in response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc. Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go figure (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Does anyone here know the source of the quote My indestructible Maya? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it. Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the latter) Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL. I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, Vegenaise, a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.
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You're welcome, Judy and I wrote the email as soon as I realized what I had been missing. It did not feel at all hard to do. Go figure! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Good for you, Share. I don't think this was easy for you to acknowledge. Thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Oy! I just got it Judy! Duh! Well I've always thought of myself as an early morning person and imho, that explains a lot. sigh...I'm never gonna be the sharpest tack in the FFL box but that's ok with me. How boring it would be if we were all the same. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Right, I'm threatened because you stupidly got something I said wrong and can't bring yourself to admit it. Share, I know you're trying your best, but really... Think, honey, think. Don't just blather. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Next step, Judy resorts to ridicule. But why? Why does she feel so threatened? And so often? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: (giggle) Poor baby. Share boo-hooed: I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted to name calling. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with OTOH in response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc. Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go figure (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Does anyone here know the source of the quote My indestructible Maya? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it. Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the latter) Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL. I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, Vegenaise, a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.
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Richard, my online Calgary buddy sent me a photo this morning of a bird sipping water from a pool of water. Then I got it! The bird is real. But so is his reflection in the pool of water. But it's real as a reflection not as a 3 D bird. My whole brain feels better (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:47 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: To be accurate, Adwaita Vedanta holds that maya is not real, yet it is not unreal (in the sense that it is resented to you). An illusion is not absolutely real because it is not based on permanence, but an illusion is real because it is just false knowledge, like in a dream, or mistaking a rope for a snake. For those well versed in the Vedaanta the world is like a city of Gaandharvas - an illusion. Source: 'Gaudapada' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudapada On 11/11/2013 1:57 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: But where did the quote come from? If Tom Egnes is the source, then Tom = Veda, and we can skip Indian literature altogether. Another version of the idea is 'The world is unreal; Brahman is real; the world is Brahman'. This seems to be translation of a quotation by Shankara commenting on one of the Upanishads, but I do not know which one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, I googled on brahman maya and there were lots of hits. There were also a lot of hits under brahman maya relationship. It seems to be quite controversial, some saying maya is not real and others saying it is real. And my favorite was the teacher who said it's pointless to try and understand it until one is enlightened. But I find it enjoyable to let the brain play with these ideas. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:30 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted to name calling. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with OTOH in response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc. Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go figure (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Does anyone here know the source of the quote My indestructible Maya? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it. Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the latter) Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL. I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, Vegenaise, a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.
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Two birds sat in a tree; one ate the fruit; another looked on. - Shvetashvatara Upanishad, 4.7 On 11/12/2013 10:03 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard, my online Calgary buddy sent me a photo this morning of a bird sipping water from a pool of water. Then I got it! The bird is real. But so is his reflection in the pool of water. But it's real as a reflection not as a 3 D bird. My whole brain feels better (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:47 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: To be accurate, Adwaita Vedanta holds that maya is not real, yet it is not unreal (in the sense that it is resented to you). An illusion is not absolutely real because it is not based on permanence, but an illusion is real because it is just false knowledge, like in a dream, or mistaking a rope for a snake. For those well versed in the Vedaanta the world is like a city of Gaandharvas - an illusion. Source: 'Gaudapada' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudapada On 11/11/2013 1:57 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com mailto:anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: But where did the quote come from? If Tom Egnes is the source, then Tom = Veda, and we can skip Indian literature altogether. Another version of the idea is'The world is unreal; Brahman is real; the world is Brahman'. This seems to be translation of a quotation by Shankara commenting on one of the Upanishads, but I do not know which one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, I googled on brahman maya and there were lots of hits. There were also a lot of hits under brahman maya relationship. It seems to be quite controversial, some saying maya is not real and others saying it is real. And my favorite was the teacher who said it's pointless to try and understand it until one is enlightened. But I find it enjoyable to let the brain play with these ideas. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:30 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote: I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted to name calling. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with OTOH in response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc. Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go figure (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: Does anyone here know the source of the quote My indestructible Maya? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it. Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the latter) Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL. I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, Vegenaise, a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.
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OTOH, in the Veda it's written: Brahman says, My indestructible maya. And Maharishi has explained that at the deepest level of every cell of our body, Purusha IS Prakriti. I think it can be understood from this perspective from Maharishi: knowledge is different in different state of consciousness. On Monday, November 11, 2013 8:33 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Seraphita wrote: (snip) Re In Buddhism, the “self” is the ego (the “I”) – a conceptual construct that is quite unreal. In Advaita, the Self is the only “truly Real” and is the basis of all concepts.: So what you're saying is that Buddhists and Vedantists have been talking at cross- purposes for centuries when they speak of the s/Self: how comical is that? Seems to me anyone who is familiar with both traditions understands that they each deny true reality to the self (lower-case) but differ as to whether there is a Self (capitalized). However, it's awfully tempting to equate Nirvana with the Self (Atman/Brahman). From the Udana, attributed to the Buddha: There is, monks, that plane where there is neither extension, nor motion, nor the plane of infinite ether nor that of neither-perception-nor-non-perception, neither this world nor another, neither the moon nor the sun. Here, monks, I say that there is no coming or going or remaining or deceasing or uprising, for this is itself without support, without continuance in samsara, without mental object - this is itself the end of suffering. There is, monks, an unborn, not become, unmade, uncompounded, and were it not, monks, for this unborn, not become, not made, uncompounded, no escape could be shown here for what is born, has become, is made, is compounded. But because there is, monks, an unborn, not become, unmade, uncompounded, therefore an escape can be shown, for what is born, has become, is made, is compounded. http://buddha-dharma.net/contributions/buddhism%26vedanta.html Also interesting are the apparent parallels between the descriptions of Brahman/the Uncompounded and the descriptions of God in classical theism (e.g., Aquinas). Of course, the map is not the territory, but the territory seems to have given rise to remarkably similar conceptual maps in this regard. Finally, according to Maharishi, Maya is that which is not--but the illusion involved is not that Maya is not real, but rather that it isn't Brahman. (Fire when ready, empty. You da man here.)
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OTOH?? Read what I wrote again, Share. Share fumbled: OTOH, in the Veda it's written: Brahman says, My indestructible maya. And Maharishi has explained that at the deepest level of every cell of our body, Purusha IS Prakriti. (snip) I wrote: Finally, according to Maharishi, Maya is that which is not--but the illusion involved is not that Maya is not real, but rather that it isn't Brahman.
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Judy, from what I noted, Maharishi said that Brahman is maya. You wrote that Maharishi said that Brahman is not maya. Maybe it's simply a case of the teacher contradicting himself so that the students don't get trapped in intellectual understanding. On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:17 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: OTOH?? Read what I wrote again, Share. Share fumbled: OTOH, in the Veda it's written: Brahman says, My indestructible maya. And Maharishi has explained that at the deepest level of every cell of our body, Purusha IS Prakriti. (snip) I wrote: Finally, according to Maharishi, Maya is that which is not--but the illusion involved is not that Maya is not real, but rather that it isn't Brahman.
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Read what I wrote again, dimwit. HINT: Read all the words. When you see where you made your mistake, let us know, OK? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, from what I noted, Maharishi said that Brahman is maya. You wrote that Maharishi said that Brahman is not maya. Maybe it's simply a case of the teacher contradicting himself so that the students don't get trapped in intellectual understanding. On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:17 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: OTOH?? Read what I wrote again, Share. Share fumbled: OTOH, in the Veda it's written: Brahman says, My indestructible maya. And Maharishi has explained that at the deepest level of every cell of our body, Purusha IS Prakriti. (snip) I wrote: Finally, according to Maharishi, Maya is that which is not--but the illusion involved is not that Maya is not real, but rather that it isn't Brahman.
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Does anyone here know the source of the quote My indestructible Maya? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it. Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the latter) Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL. I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, Vegenaise, a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.
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Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc. Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go figure (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Does anyone here know the source of the quote My indestructible Maya? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it. Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the latter) Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL. I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, Vegenaise, a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.
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So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with OTOH in response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc. Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go figure (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Does anyone here know the source of the quote My indestructible Maya? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it. Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the latter) Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL. I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, Vegenaise, a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.
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I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted to name calling. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with OTOH in response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc. Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go figure (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Does anyone here know the source of the quote My indestructible Maya? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it. Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the latter) Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL. I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, Vegenaise, a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.
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Xeno, I googled on brahman maya and there were lots of hits. There were also a lot of hits under brahman maya relationship. It seems to be quite controversial, some saying maya is not real and others saying it is real. And my favorite was the teacher who said it's pointless to try and understand it until one is enlightened. But I find it enjoyable to let the brain play with these ideas. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:30 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted to name calling. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with OTOH in response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc. Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go figure (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Does anyone here know the source of the quote My indestructible Maya? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it. Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the latter) Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL. I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, Vegenaise, a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.
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(giggle) Poor baby. Share boo-hooed: I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted to name calling. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with OTOH in response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc. Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go figure (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Does anyone here know the source of the quote My indestructible Maya? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it. Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the latter) Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL. I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, Vegenaise, a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.
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But where did the quote come from? If Tom Egnes is the source, then Tom = Veda, and we can skip Indian literature altogether. Another version of the idea is 'The world is unreal; Brahman is real; the world is Brahman'. This seems to be translation of a quotation by Shankara commenting on one of the Upanishads, but I do not know which one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, I googled on brahman maya and there were lots of hits. There were also a lot of hits under brahman maya relationship. It seems to be quite controversial, some saying maya is not real and others saying it is real. And my favorite was the teacher who said it's pointless to try and understand it until one is enlightened. But I find it enjoyable to let the brain play with these ideas. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:30 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted to name calling. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with OTOH in response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc. Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go figure (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Does anyone here know the source of the quote My indestructible Maya? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it. Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the latter) Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL. I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, Vegenaise, a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.
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Xeno, Tom does not equal Veda for me but I did trust him as a professor. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:57 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: But where did the quote come from? If Tom Egnes is the source, then Tom = Veda, and we can skip Indian literature altogether. Another version of the idea is 'The world is unreal; Brahman is real; the world is Brahman'. This seems to be translation of a quotation by Shankara commenting on one of the Upanishads, but I do not know which one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, I googled on brahman maya and there were lots of hits. There were also a lot of hits under brahman maya relationship. It seems to be quite controversial, some saying maya is not real and others saying it is real. And my favorite was the teacher who said it's pointless to try and understand it until one is enlightened. But I find it enjoyable to let the brain play with these ideas. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:30 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted to name calling. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with OTOH in response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc. Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go figure (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Does anyone here know the source of the quote My indestructible Maya? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it. Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the latter) Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL. I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, Vegenaise, a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.
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Next step, Judy resorts to ridicule. But why? Why does she feel so threatened? And so often? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: (giggle) Poor baby. Share boo-hooed: I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted to name calling. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with OTOH in response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc. Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go figure (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Does anyone here know the source of the quote My indestructible Maya? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it. Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the latter) Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL. I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, Vegenaise, a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.
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Right. I'm threatened because you stupidly got something I said wrong and can't bring yourself to admit it. Share, I know you're trying your best, but really... Think, honey, think. Don't just blather. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Next step, Judy resorts to ridicule. But why? Why does she feel so threatened? And so often? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: (giggle) Poor baby. Share boo-hooed: I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted to name calling. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with OTOH in response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc. Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go figure (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Does anyone here know the source of the quote My indestructible Maya? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it. Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the latter) Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL. I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, Vegenaise, a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.
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I'm rootin' for you Share. I'm slow on the uptake too, but I think I got this one. The clue is: Read *all* the words, as Judy has pointed out. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Read what I wrote again, dimwit. HINT: Read all the words. When you see where you made your mistake, let us know, OK? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, from what I noted, Maharishi said that Brahman is maya. You wrote that Maharishi said that Brahman is not maya. Maybe it's simply a case of the teacher contradicting himself so that the students don't get trapped in intellectual understanding. On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:17 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: OTOH?? Read what I wrote again, Share. Share fumbled: OTOH, in the Veda it's written: Brahman says, My indestructible maya. And Maharishi has explained that at the deepest level of every cell of our body, Purusha IS Prakriti. (snip) I wrote: Finally, according to Maharishi, Maya is that which is not--but the illusion involved is not that Maya is not real, but rather that it isn't Brahman.
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Maybe things were just slow around the office this afternoon. LoL! On 11/11/2013 3:11 PM, sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Next step, Judy resorts to ridicule. But why? Why does she feel so threatened? And so often? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: *(giggle) Poor baby.* Share boo-hooed: I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted to name calling. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with OTOH in response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc. Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go figure (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Does anyone here know the source of the quote My indestructible Maya? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it. Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the latter) Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL. I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, Vegenaise, a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.
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I sent this at 10:30 this morning. It was posted at 4:18 pm. It must be a sign. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: I'm rootin' for you Share. I'm slow on the uptake too, but I think I got this one. The clue is: Read *all* the words, as Judy has pointed out. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Read what I wrote again, dimwit. HINT: Read all the words. When you see where you made your mistake, let us know, OK? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, from what I noted, Maharishi said that Brahman is maya. You wrote that Maharishi said that Brahman is not maya. Maybe it's simply a case of the teacher contradicting himself so that the students don't get trapped in intellectual understanding. On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:17 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: OTOH?? Read what I wrote again, Share. Share fumbled: OTOH, in the Veda it's written: Brahman says, My indestructible maya. And Maharishi has explained that at the deepest level of every cell of our body, Purusha IS Prakriti. (snip) I wrote: Finally, according to Maharishi, Maya is that which is not--but the illusion involved is not that Maya is not real, but rather that it isn't Brahman.
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Right, I'm threatened because you stupidly got something I said wrong and can't bring yourself to admit it. Share, I know you're trying your best, but really... Think, honey, think. Don't just blather. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Next step, Judy resorts to ridicule. But why? Why does she feel so threatened? And so often? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: (giggle) Poor baby. Share boo-hooed: I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted to name calling. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with OTOH in response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc. Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go figure (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Does anyone here know the source of the quote My indestructible Maya? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it. Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the latter) Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL. I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, Vegenaise, a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.
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To be accurate, Adwaita Vedanta holds that maya is not real, yet it is not unreal (in the sense that it is resented to you). An illusion is not absolutely real because it is not based on permanence, but an illusion is real because it is just false knowledge, like in a dream, or mistaking a rope for a snake. For those well versed in the Vedaanta the world is like a city of Gaandharvas - an illusion. Source: 'Gaudapada' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudapada On 11/11/2013 1:57 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: But where did the quote come from? If Tom Egnes is the source, then Tom = Veda, and we can skip Indian literature altogether. Another version of the idea is'The world is unreal; Brahman is real; the world is Brahman'. This seems to be translation of a quotation by Shankara commenting on one of the Upanishads, but I do not know which one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, I googled on brahman maya and there were lots of hits. There were also a lot of hits under brahman maya relationship. It seems to be quite controversial, some saying maya is not real and others saying it is real. And my favorite was the teacher who said it's pointless to try and understand it until one is enlightened. But I find it enjoyable to let the brain play with these ideas. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:30 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted to name calling. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with OTOH in response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc. Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go figure (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Does anyone here know the source of the quote My indestructible Maya? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it. Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the latter) Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL. I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, Vegenaise, a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.
