Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
I think you are looking through gold tinted glasses - Bevan and all the rest who were close to Marshy had to know what he was up to, they condoned and abetted his womanizing, lying and defrauding people financially, so in that sense they are good custodians of his legacy - they Girish is a Marshy student who learned the tricks of a fake master at his uncle's knee - its is just more of the same behavior - nothing else. There never have been and never will be women in positions of power in the TM Movement because Marshy was a misogynistic man with fairly typical male Hindu views of women (kitchen and bedroom), but don't believe me, let's see what some Indian women have to say on the matter: For Indians, girls are a burden; the desire for male progeny is as natural to us as breathing. We utter prayers, make vows, observe fasts, bow before this or that divinity all for the cherished, penis-laden offspring, all so that we may not remain childless or burdened with the debit side of the account—the girl child. For burden she is—practically every Indian, in almost every single region of India, barring a few areas where matrilineal systems exist—must be familiar with the idea that a girl is “paraya dhan,”—the treasure of another’s home. Exiled at birth, she already belongs to her in-laws, who are her “true” family. The word “treasure” should not fool us. We are commodities, chattel, goods. Why else would we have to pay a groom’s family for the favor of taking the girl child off our sinful hands? from this page: http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/8529 Sons are taught that they are a blessing to be cherished and that women are there to serve them however they please. This is only echoed in Bollywood films, which are regrettably romanticized by the west, in which male protagonists depict their sexual prowess by sexually harassing the principal female character into submission. In the world of Indian melodramas, a no will inevitably turn to a yes after a few song and dance routines in the rain, of course. Women have no ally in the legislature either, as every major political party has candidates that have been charged with crimes against women, ranging from domestic abuse to rape. Additionally, Indian jurisprudence sanctions a virginity test to determine the credibility of the victim's statement. In the test, a doctor inserts two fingers into the woman's vagina to determine the presence or absence of the hymen and the general laxity of the vagina, and presumably, the victim herself. From the page: http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/30/world/asia/misogyny-india From: Susan waybac...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 5:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? Probably not, I imagine they still hope that the stuff they teach about spontaneous right action and coherent behaviour is actually true and they therefore don't need a legal fall back. But if this story is true, it isn't an employee it's the guy at the top and he isn't going to want harassment guidelines is he? Still, at least he hasn't claimed he was helping her with her karma. I look forward to a full report in TM News magazine. What is the TM administration going to do about him? [?] The Girish story seems to broaden everyday. Do a google 'news' search for Girish Varma. He comes right up now, Times of India every day: Molestation, extortion, attemped murder, Sex in the back seat of an Audi. Five-Star Hotels. Other women come forward. It's very unfortunate. Jeeesus. The guy could take the whole Indian TM sub-continent down with him and TM Europe and the Americas too. Who would want to be associated with him? http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-sarasw\ ati-foundatio-board-of-directors/ Agreed, he could take the entire TMO down. At the very least, there will need to be major restructuring, looking over finances (that is if there is anything left for the TMO as opposed to the family members!). Girish could be the legacy that gets remembered. Starts with MMY and the Beatles and the finale is 50 years later with Girish. Somewhere here are lessons to be learned. It could be that TM-USA will separate from India. Seems in India it was just a big business with a cover story of education.. Here, we raised the money
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
Rereading my original post I can see how you would think I was referring to Girish - but I was referring to Marshy From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 10:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment Bravo Michael! I was wondering when you'd get up to speed. Now let me make sure I have it straight. Bevan and the rest had to know what Girish was up to, and they aided and abetted all his alleged activities. You are speaking of this as though you have first hand knowledge of this. An is it okay for me to use the word alleged, or is that just some old fashioned western concept. And, would it be a bit of fallacy to declare that Maharishi was a typical male Hindu and therefore misogynisitic and therefore declare that he embraces all attributes you have in quotes, (without a clickable link I might add). I cannot take issue with the fact that there are no woman in positions of authority in the TMO. I think that would be well to be remedied if the movement can survive, but to take that fact and therefore draw the conclusions you make I think is unwarranted, and a stretch. But let's be real. That is your usual method of operation. And may I anticipate your retort. To seventhray and all those who are in deep denial about the real TMO, there is little hope you can climb out of you naive perceptions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: I think you are looking through gold tinted glasses - Bevan and all the rest who were close to Marshy had to know what he was up to, they condoned and abetted his womanizing, lying and defrauding people financially, so in that sense they are good custodians of his legacy - they Girish is a Marshy student who learned the tricks of a fake master at his uncle's knee - its is just more of the same behavior - nothing else. There never have been and never will be women in positions of power in the TM Movement because Marshy was a misogynistic man with fairly typical male Hindu views of women (kitchen and bedroom), but don't believe me, let's see what some Indian women have to say on the matter: For Indians, girls are a burden; the desire for male progeny is as natural to us as breathing. We utter prayers, make vows, observe fasts, bow before this or that divinity all for the cherished, penis-laden offspring, all so that we may not remain childless or burdened with the debit side of the accountâ€the girl child. For burden she isâ€practically every Indian, in almost every single region of India, barring a few areas where matrilineal systems existâ€must be familiar with the idea that a girl is “paraya dhan,â€�â€the treasure of another’s home. Exiled at birth, she already belongs to her in-laws, who are her “trueâ€� family. The word “treasureâ€� should not fool us. We are commodities, chattel, goods. Why else would we have to pay a groom’s family for the favor of taking the girl child off our sinful hands? from this page: http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/8529 Sons are taught that they are a blessing to be cherished and that women are there to serve them however they please. This is only echoed in Bollywood films, which are regrettably romanticized by the west, in which male protagonists depict their sexual prowess by sexually harassing the principal female character into submission. In the world of Indian melodramas, a no will inevitably turn to a yes after a few song and dance routines in the rain, of course. Women have no ally in the legislature either, as every major political party has candidates that have been charged with crimes against women, ranging from domestic abuse to rape. Additionally, Indian jurisprudence sanctions a virginity test to determine the credibility of the victim's statement. In the test, a doctor inserts two fingers into the woman's vagina to determine the presence or absence of the hymen and the general laxity of the vagina, and presumably, the victim herself. From the page: http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/30/world/asia/misogyny-india From: Susan wayback71@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 5:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? Probably not, I imagine
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment 2 Card
Card, depending on the exact day of your Dad's birth, if he is Pisces in
Western, he might be an Aquarius in jyotish.
As an expert on Aquarius men (-:
I will say that they can be very humanitarian and universal in their outlook
thus very understanding. But that can also lean towards detachment and extreme
objectivity which could come across as hard and cold.
Since Venus is usually not far from the Sun he may have had Venus exalted in
Pisces which would also give a soft quality.
Hope this is helpful.
From: card cardemais...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:32 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
My father's *first* name was Varma (in Finnish, 'sure', 'certain', 'safe',
etc.) He used his middle name, though.
I guess he was a typical Western Piscean, sometimes exceedingly
soft, sometimes almost psychopathically hard and cold.
varman n. [nom. sing: varma; cf. brahman - brahma* -- card] (or m. Siddh. ;
fr. 1. %{vR}) ` envelope ' , defensive armour , a coat of mail RV. c. c. ;
a bulwark , shelter , defence , protection ib. (often at the end of the names
of Kshatriyas) ; bark , rind VarBr2S. ; N. of partic. preservative formulas and
prayers (esp. of the mystic syllable %{hum}) BhP.
* anaadimat paraM *brahma* (brahman is without beginning and
transcendental)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
Are you kidding? He is/was Marshy's nephew - Marshy formed the Maharishi Group with him and a couple other nephews, the business group that owns MAPI, the property that MUM is built on and God knows what else - most of the money has always gone to these guys - and as to how the rajas could put up with his behavior, they always put up with his uncle's lying cheating stealing taking money under false pretenses and womanizing - as the TMO always says As is our tradition... From: Susan waybac...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 9:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Oh by all means post the links, please! Apparently he is being accused of attempted murder as well, ahhh Marshy's legacy, it just keeps getting more sattvic all the time. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/Maharishi-Vidya-Mandir-chairman-accused-of-molestation/articleshow/18857765.cms Whacky. Well, stories from people who seem to know tell that evidently the guy was a get done kind of guy from even back in his college days. Given that perspective by people who knew him when, how did he come to run the hugely lucrative TMO India? And why didn't people speak up? (Maybe they did but we would never know). Why did the American Rajas over there put up with this crap all these years? Surely they must have seen and sensed that things were not right. Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: Buck, has there been any Tmo official response to this in Ffld or India? And who is in charge of all that money in India now that Girish is going? There must be some scrambling and realigning of the rajas and folks in charge Nothing here local yet, too new. Lot of our poobahs and people are still out of town to the inauguration of the big Temple to Maharishi's Presence in India. Mostly just underlings here now. Dome numbers are generally subdued with people still traveling. Likely still some discovery going on. Indian Newspapers are saying some other women are coming forward with similar complaints about Girish. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. Such synchrony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. According to the newspaper accounts it is more than sexual harassment, 'twas molestation and predatory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop@ wrote: Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in Bhopalhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir group
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Jesus Buck! What will it take for you to realize that long meditation isn't gonna redeem these hoods - they have supposedly been doing TM-Sidhis since they were first taught, I mean come on! From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: Buck, has there been any Tmo official response to this in Ffld or India? And who is in charge of all that money in India now that Girish is going? There must be some scrambling and realigning of the rajas and folks in charge Nothing here local yet, too new. Lot of our poobahs and people are still out of town to the inauguration of the big Temple to Maharishi's Presence in India. Mostly just underlings here now. Dome numbers are generally subdued with people still traveling. Likely still some discovery going on. Indian Newspapers are saying some other women are coming forward with similar complaints about Girish. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. Such synchrony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. Yep, would hope that Tony Nader should better get his ass over there to those TM movement facilities and sit in long meditation with those people to help them heal. This is really bad. According to the newspaper accounts it is more than sexual harassment, 'twas molestation and predatory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop@ wrote: Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in Bhopalhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir group of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental torture. Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier this year at Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal couple of days ago. The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) alleging that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked with the group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him. The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take her along on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star hotel was booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away on errands and then molest her. She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but when it became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to file a complaint. There have been counter allegations that the husband had been trying to extort money from Varma
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Buck, it is just Maharishi's legacy - I have always said here on FFL that when someone, anyone creates something the energy with which they create it finds its way to the furthest reaches of the creation. Maharishi created the Movement with deceit, and to further his own lusts for money, power and sex. His lieutenants and relatives learned from him by example and energetically. The current situation is an inevitable outcome of such a creation - expect more to come over the years. I notice that Nabby, Merlin and the good Doctor are not making any comments about one of their own following faithfully in Marshy's foot steps - how about it Nabby-Merlin-Doc? Whadda think of Marshy's nephew, given the fact that he has been doing TM-Sidhi programme for how many decades??? And is this being talked about 'round the Dome Buck? From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop@ wrote: Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in Bhopalhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir group of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental torture. Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier this year at Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal couple of days ago. The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) alleging that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked with the group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him. The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take her along on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star hotel was booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away on errands and then molest her. She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but when it became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to file a complaint. There have been counter allegations that the husband had been trying to extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims that he sent various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned Varma's image on social networking sites. http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint
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The TMO From: Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment mjackson74: Jesus Buck! Jesus MJ! Who put a cob up your ass today? LoL! What will it take for you to realize that long meditation isn't gonna redeem these hoods - they have supposedly been doing TM-Sidhis since they were first taught, I mean come on! Buck, has there been any Tmo official response to this in Ffld or India? And who is in charge of all that money in India now that Girish is going? There must be some scrambling and realigning of the rajas and folks in charge Nothing here local yet, too new. Lot of our poobahs and people are still out of town to the inauguration of the big Temple to Maharishi's Presence in India. Mostly just underlings here now. Dome numbers are generally subdued with people still traveling. Likely still some discovery going on. Indian Newspapers are saying some other women are coming forward with similar complaints about Girish. This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. Such synchrony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. Yep, would hope that Tony Nader should better get his ass over there to those TM movement facilities and sit in long meditation with those people to help them heal. This is really bad. According to the newspaper accounts it is more than sexual harassment, 'twas molestation and predatory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop@ wrote: Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in Bhopalhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir group of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental torture. Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier this year at Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal couple of days ago. The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) alleging that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked with the group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him. The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take her along on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star hotel was booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away on errands and then molest her. She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but when it became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to file a complaint. There have been counter allegations
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
no thoughts no mantra no TMO From: sound of stillness soundofstilln...@ymail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave. Who is the new movement that you mention? If in the end, we pass the Buck to you, how do you see the new movement unfolding? What's the vision bro? Michael --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. Such synchrony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. According to the newspaper accounts it is more than sexual harassment, 'twas molestation and predatory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop@ wrote: Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in Bhopalhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir group of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental torture. Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier this year at Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal couple of days ago. The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) alleging that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked with the group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him. The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take her along on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star hotel was booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away on errands and then molest her. She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but when it became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to file a complaint. There have been counter allegations that the husband had been trying to extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims that he sent various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned Varma's image on social networking sites. http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10 times more eloquently that I do - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: no thoughts no mantra no TMO My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked upon as the Dumbo's feathers they always were. If you can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his trunk. It was never magic. It was just a feather. Mantras don't allow people to transcend. They trick people into recognizing what has always already been present. As for the nature of this new movement that Buck talks about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy* to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not quite as easy to come up with an alternative. From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave. Who is the new movement that you mention? If in the end, we pass the Buck to you, how do you see the new movement unfolding? What's the vision bro? Michael --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. Such synchrony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. According to the newspaper accounts it is more than sexual harassment, 'twas molestation and predatory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop@ wrote: Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in Bhopalhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir group of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental torture. Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier this year at Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal couple of days ago. The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) alleging that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked with the group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him. The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take her
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: no thoughts no mantra no TMO My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked upon as the Dumbo's feathers they always were. If you can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his trunk. It was never magic. It was just a feather. Mantras don't allow people to transcend. They trick people into recognizing what has always already been present. As for the nature of this new movement that Buck talks about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy* to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not quite as easy to come up with an alternative. From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave. Who is the new movement that you mention? If in the end, we pass the Buck to you, how do you see the new movement unfolding? What's the vision bro? Michael --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. Such synchrony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. According to the newspaper accounts it is more than sexual harassment, 'twas molestation and predatory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop@ wrote: Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in Bhopal http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir group of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental torture. Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier this year at Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal couple of days ago. The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) alleging that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked with the group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him. The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take her along on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star hotel was booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away on errands and then molest her
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
Ok, ok but being my annoying self I can't help but notice and point out that the oldest item on the list occurred almost EXACTLY 7 years ago. As spooky as that is, gotta be a jyotish explanation for that (-: From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 4:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: Come on, you gotta laugh MJ. Barry has been practicing for a while it appears. I wonder if he realizes how much he repeats himself? But now he has someone to thank for bringing it clearly, indisputably to his attention. Barry? Got anything to say other than, Only someone from New Jersey with no life would have bothered to look this up.? As a matter of fact, yes: I might also point out that searching the Web for information to use against somebody is standard cyberstalking behavior. - Judy Stein, 11 February 2013 Also: Repetition is the mother of retention. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10 times more eloquently that I do That's because (with regard to Dumbo's feather) he's said it 10 times before here: 2/4/13 I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what he had been capable of doing all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480 2/8/11 She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as Dumbo's feather. If you remember back to the Disney movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in his fictional case, literally). http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265 2/15/10 The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he could realize it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345 9/3/09 The second concept on which we might differ is about nudges, as you describe them. While I certainly admit that they exist, and have experienced such nudges myself, I tend to think of them as Dumbo's feather. That is, placebos. I see such nudges as ways to trick the person into realizing what is already present, and has always already been present. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011 4/29/08 In other words, I see systems of any kind as being kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't make Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into doing what he had been able to do all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308 6/30/07 Basically, I see astrology and all other predic- tive technologies as the Dumbo's feathers of the universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon? When he held the feather in his trunk, he could fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO, that's the only reason that astrology appears to work. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519 11/24/06 I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all; any effect is the result of the Dumbo's feather syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known as moodmaking. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152 10/30/06 Remember the Disney cartoon Dumbo? His friend and mentor gives him a magical feather that allows him to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is, the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some- thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self- imposed limitations and realize an ability that had always been available to him. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069 5/8/06 Remember Dumbo? Dumbo was convinced that it was the magic feather given to him by his guru that enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out, the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to fly was always present, just not realized. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433 3/18/06 The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the magic feather given to him was what
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
Remember Dumbo? Dumbo was convinced that it was the magic feather given to him by his guru that enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out, the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to fly was always present, just not realized. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433 3/18/06 The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the magic feather given to him was what enabled him to fly, and that it was special. But it was a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able to fly. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429 - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: no thoughts no mantra no TMO My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked upon as the Dumbo's feathers they always were. If you can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his trunk. It was never magic. It was just a feather. Mantras don't allow people to transcend. They trick people into recognizing what has always already been present. As for the nature of this new movement that Buck talks about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy* to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not quite as easy to come up with an alternative. From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave. Who is the new movement that you mention? If in the end, we pass the Buck to you, how do you see the new movement unfolding? What's the vision bro? Michael --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. Such synchrony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. According to the newspaper accounts it is more than sexual harassment, 'twas molestation and predatory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads - I actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy regardless of what anyone else thinks - I think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike Barry cuz he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in this case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They very much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the need for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to his golden oldies. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10 times more eloquently that I do That's because (with regard to Dumbo's feather) he's said it 10 times before here: 2/4/13 I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what he had been capable of doing all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480 2/8/11 She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as Dumbo's feather. If you remember back to the Disney movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in his fictional case, literally). http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265 2/15/10 The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he could realize it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345 9/3/09 The second concept on which we might differ is about nudges, as you describe them. While I certainly admit that they exist, and have experienced such nudges myself, I tend to think of them as Dumbo's feather. That is, placebos. I see such nudges as ways to trick the person into realizing what is already present, and has always already been present. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011 4/29/08 In other words, I see systems of any kind as being kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't make Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into doing what he had been able to do all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308 6/30/07 Basically, I see astrology and all other predic- tive technologies as the Dumbo's feathers of the universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon? When he held the feather in his trunk, he could fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO, that's the only reason that astrology appears to work. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519 11/24/06 I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all; any effect is the result of the Dumbo's feather syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known as moodmaking. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152 10/30/06 Remember the Disney cartoon Dumbo? His friend and mentor gives him a magical feather that allows him to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is, the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some- thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self- imposed limitations and realize an ability that had always been available to him. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069 5/8/06 Remember Dumbo? Dumbo was convinced that it was the magic feather given to him by his guru that enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out, the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to fly was always present, just not realized. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433 3/18/06 The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the magic feather given to him was what enabled him to fly, and that it was special. But it was a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able to fly. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429 - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the alternative movement
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
Me start TM again - surely you jest - as to my compliments to Barry - I don't really know anyone here on FFL but I do like his experience with the TMO and his willingness to share it, and some of the things he writes have assisted me in my own process and he is a good writer, able to think cogently and express it through his writing From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads - I actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy regardless of what anyone else thinks - I think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike Barry cuz he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time. And I think you like him because he supports you in your stance re: TM. That is fine, but the man is no paragon of anything and his 'loyalty' to you will last only as long as you don't cross him or suddenly decide you want to start TM again. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck  Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in this case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They very much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the need for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to his golden oldies. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10 times more eloquently that I do That's because (with regard to Dumbo's feather) he's said it 10 times before here: 2/4/13 I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what he had been capable of doing all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480 2/8/11 She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as Dumbo's feather. If you remember back to the Disney movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in his fictional case, literally). http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265 2/15/10 The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he could realize it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345 9/3/09 The second concept on which we might differ is about nudges, as you describe them. While I certainly admit that they exist, and have experienced such nudges myself, I tend to think of them as Dumbo's feather. That is, placebos. I see such nudges as ways to trick the person into realizing what is already present, and has always already been present. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011 4/29/08 In other words, I see systems of any kind as being kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't make Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into doing what he had been able to do all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308 6/30/07 Basically, I see astrology and all other predic- tive technologies as the Dumbo's feathers of the universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon? When he held the feather in his trunk, he could fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO, that's the only reason that astrology appears to work. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519 11/24/06 I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all; any effect is the result of the Dumbo's feather syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known as moodmaking. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152 10/30/06 Remember the Disney cartoon Dumbo? His friend and mentor gives him a magical feather that allows him to fly when he holds it in his
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment, innicent till judged by court!
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:04 AM, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wleed3 WLeed3@... wrote: Suspension till case is adjudicated or settled in some manor!!! All are stand innocent in law, till proven, in law or other wise! I hear this invoked a lot and can appreciate that until we have the facts we don't know what went on as I said in my post about this. But the legal standards of judging cases really has little to do with how we judge things in our daily life. (I don't even know if what the legal standard in India is, do you?) Throw in the very dubious influence peddling in India by the rich and powerful and it is probably unrealistic to expect us not to weigh in as the statements are published about what went on, to form opinions as best we can with what we know. I mean are you expressing faith that an Indian justice system (or ours for that matter) will deal impartially with a rich guy like Girish who has probably cultivated many powerfully alliances. Remember how well connected Sai Baba was. that basically made him untouchable. Settled in law doesn't mean guilty or innocent to me. OJ got off remember. But he did it. Yes - of course. What I would be interested is your experiences around this topic as a teacher in the TM cult. Surely it was just not the Gurus - I'm sure you teachers got a piece of the pie sometimes too yeah - smiley, wink, wink, smiley. Of course you may completely ignore my question and address it from the perspective of the epistemological purity of neuroscience - if so I totally understand - smiley, wink, wink, smiley.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment, innicent till judged by court!
And I thought the Christmas cap photo shifted me! Thanks for this. Brought both goose bumps and the beginning of tears... From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment, innicent till judged by court! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:04 AM, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Suspension till case is adjudicated or settled in some manor!!! All are stand innocent in law, till proven, in law or other wise! I hear this invoked a lot and can appreciate that until we have the facts we don't know what went on as I said in my post about this. But the legal standards of judging cases really has little to do with how we judge things in our daily life. (I don't even know if what the legal standard in India is, do you?) Throw in the very dubious influence peddling in India by the rich and powerful and it is probably unrealistic to expect us not to weigh in as the statements are published about what went on, to form opinions as best we can with what we know. I mean are you expressing faith that an Indian justice system (or ours for that matter) will deal impartially with a rich guy like Girish who has probably cultivated many powerfully alliances. Remember how well connected Sai Baba was. that basically made him untouchable. Settled in law doesn't mean guilty or innocent to me. OJ got off remember. But he did it. Yes - of course. What I would be interested is your experiences around this topic as a teacher in the TM cult. Surely it was just not the Gurus - I'm sure you teachers got a piece of the pie sometimes too yeah - smiley, wink, wink, smiley. I will address this, because Ravi so clearly illustrates the just not getting it mentality I spoke of in my earlier rap about Paris movies. Ravi is projecting what *he* might do, or thinks he might do, in a situation in which he found himself surrounded by young, nubile students not averse to developing a crush on their teachers and either trying their best to seduce them, or being willing to be actively seduced by the less-than-honorable ones. Yes, it happens. And yes, all too frequently. But *not* to all of us. Although I have taken a lot of heat on this forum for my unapologetic tales of how much nookie I got during my time as a TM teacher, all of that nookie was shared with fellow TM teachers, not any of my direct students. Did the opportunity present itself? You betcha. Did I go for it, or was I even tempted? No way, Jose. This is something that those who have never been placed in the position of being a teacher in a spiritual context will not fully understand. If you take it seriously -- as I did when teaching TM and later when teaching meditation for Rama - Fred Lenz -- you just don't go there. The temptations *TO* go there are many, and powerful. On TM residence courses, one of the games I had to warn potential teachers about when it was still my job to prep them for teaching such courses was the phenomenon of Fuck the course leader. Lovely young women (or men, if the course was taught by a woman) would get them- selves all jizzed up from all that meditation and try their best to get not only into the teacher's head, but into their pants as well. But IMO if you really get the essence of being placed in the position of being a spiritual teacher -- even on the minor level of being a TM teacher -- you really don't even *think* of going there. The students are *your* responsibility; their welfare is *your* responsibility. Who in their right mind would fuck with that by fucking *them*? Which brings us to the subject of those who *aren't* in their right minds. That includes, of course, Maharishi, Rama, and now Girish. While on the level of compassion I can understand these guys' weakness, and on a personal level I have actually *experienced* the powerful temptation to channel some adoring spiritual groupie's attention in the direction of sexual attention, I believe personally that it's one of the biggest mistakes any spiritual teacher could ever make. And yes, I consider all three of the people named above utter scumbags for having done it. They might have had *other* qualities that were more admirable, and they might have done things that will help to balance the karmic scales when they're cruising the Bardo destined either for a higher rebirth or one in the hell worlds, but I'm think- ing that fucking your students is pretty much the same as fucking *over* your students, and that's a shitload of karma that would be difficult to balance in anyone's eyes. There is simply too much of a power differential for mutually consensual sex between equals to ever happen in a spiritual context. Even
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
Oh by all means post the links, please! Apparently he is being accused of attempted murder as well, ahhh Marshy's legacy, it just keeps getting more sattvic all the time. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/Maharishi-Vidya-Mandir-chairman-accused-of-molestation/articleshow/18857765.cms From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 9:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: Buck, has there been any Tmo official response to this in Ffld or India? And who is in charge of all that money in India now that Girish is going? There must be some scrambling and realigning of the rajas and folks in charge Nothing here local yet, too new. Lot of our poobahs and people are still out of town to the inauguration of the big Temple to Maharishi's Presence in India. Mostly just underlings here now. Dome numbers are generally subdued with people still traveling. Likely still some discovery going on. Indian Newspapers are saying some other women are coming forward with similar complaints about Girish. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. Such synchrony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. According to the newspaper accounts it is more than sexual harassment, 'twas molestation and predatory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop@ wrote: Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in Bhopalhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir group of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental torture. Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier this year at Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal couple of days ago. The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) alleging that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked with the group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him. The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take her along on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star hotel was booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away on errands and then molest her. She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but when it became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to file a complaint. There have been counter allegations that the husband had been trying to extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims that he sent various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned Varma's image on social networking sites
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment, innicent till judged by court!
Suspension till case is adjudicated or settled in some manor!!! All are stand innocent in law, till proven, in law or other wise! In a message dated 03/14/13 12:13:56 Eastern Daylight Time, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com writes: Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. Such synchrony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, innocent no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. According to the newspaper accounts it is more than sexual harassment, 'twas molestation and predatory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop@ wrote: Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in Bhopalhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir group of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental torture. Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier this year at Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal couple of days ago. The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) alleging that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked with the group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him. The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take her along on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star hotel was booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away on errands and then molest her. She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but when it became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to file a complaint. There have been counter allegations that the husband had been trying to extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims that he sent various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned Varma's image on social networking sites. http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
