Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
On 5/30/2014 9:10 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Re I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings . . .: This is Rama we're talking about, no? What I was meaning to ask you before was: did Rama ever give his followers (or just you perhaps) instructions on how they also could levitate? Did Rama claim to be utilising Patanjali's Samyama hints (as re-packaged by MMY) or had he discovered a new occult secret? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdztv3izu_o Monkeys are starting to fly out of my butt again. This has happened over a hundred times lately. The only relief for me seems to be the reading of these messages and sometimes posting a reply. That sort of makes me think about the important issues and try to figure them out. Thanks everyone, for all the spiritual help. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
On 5/30/2014 11:51 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *From:* s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Re I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings . . .: This is Rama we're talking about, no? Yes. What I was meaning to ask you before was: did Rama ever give his followers (or just you perhaps) instructions on how they also could levitate? No. Did Rama claim to be utilising Patanjali's Samyama hints (as re-packaged by MMY)... No. ...or had he discovered a new occult secret? No idea. The most he ever said about it was that he remembered how to do it from a previous life. Fred Lenz, aka, Rama, learned how to levitate from Master Fwap. The whole story is related by Lenz in his book /Surfing the Himalayas/, which apparently Barry never read. I'm sure this information won't be lost on Judy. LoL! ...Master Fwap told me that most people who have been enlightened in their previous incarnations would normally begin to regain their past-life enlightenment-if they lived at sea level-at around the age of twenty-nine, when their astrological Saturn return took place. He said that living in or near sacred mountains, because of their beneficial auric influences, often made past-life returns happen even faster. 'Surfing the Himalayas: A Spiritual Adventure' by Frederick Lenz St. Martin's Press, 1997 p. 119 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Re I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings . . .: This is Rama we're talking about, no? Yes. What I was meaning to ask you before was: did Rama ever give his followers (or just you perhaps) instructions on how they also could levitate? No. Did Rama claim to be utilising Patanjali's Samyama hints (as re-packaged by MMY)... No. ...or had he discovered a new occult secret? No idea. The most he ever said about it was that he remembered how to do it from a previous life. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salya,I think it's reported that many saw him levitate. Many It means nothing to me. Would it if you had been one of them? I mean, ponder this. That's the situation I find myself in. We agree on SO many things, and I am in many ways as jaded a scientific heretic as you, and yet I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night. While I completely agree that someone else's claim of seeing something like this is Just Another Claim, and thus carries no weight, being the claimant is sometimes interesting. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Like The Blues Brothers, MMY was on a mission from God. YMMV as to whether or not you agree with him as to the source, but anyone who thinks that he didn't have some sense of divine inspiration and mission about what he was doing has taken denial in another direction, I think. Sounds like wishful thinking to me Lawson. Telling people you're on a mission from god is a good way to raise interest though, he certainly did it too. I know loads of people who think that Marshy was absolute - that's the actual words they use - and therefore incapable of making a mistake. It's a clever trick to pull off. He never actually said it himself but he laid the groundwork with the impulse from the unified field belief system and everyone put two and two together. I think he was a great PR man in that respect. Seems to me we have two options. Perhaps after the failure of TM on its own to sustain the TMO he had to keep coming up with new ideas to keep the money coming in. That's what it was all about from the siddhis onwards. All he had to do is say that yagyas (for instance) are from ancient India and the cheque books were out in a flash. Luckily there are plenty of old superstitions to loot and claim you have revived in their completeness Like jyotish - which still isn't complete because half the planets are missing from your chart. Or he had a plan from the start to rebuild the world like it was in iron age India and gradually introduced his technologies when he thought we were ready for them. Maybe he even believed this stuff and his hype but Earl Kaplan claims Marshy didn't even know whether the ME would actually work. Did you believe him when he said that? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/22/2014 4:03 PM, salyavin808 wrote: Marshy made me believe I could fly by sitting cross legged and hopping up and down holding my feet. I thought I was clever until then, I'm excruciatingly embarrassed about it now. So you've got to hand it to him as far as weaving a spell goes. This is really funny when you get down to the raw details: a guy sitting on a deerskin rug, wearing a bed sheet and looking like a flower salesman with a funny giggle, a guy you never even met, weaved a spell on you, put you into a trance-induction state, then coerced you into listening to hours and hours of audio and video tapes for years, brainwashing you into believing you could hop, skip, and jump to enlightenment, become invisble, and walk on water - by thinking about a nonsense gibberish phrase. This guy, The Maharishi, must have been an AWESOME genius! As P.T. Barnum once said There's a sucker born every minute. LoL! Yup, I was in a cult, I admit it. The trick is to realise that fact and make your weary way back to reality. A lot of people don't. Was Marshy a genius? Undoubtably, I doff my cap to him. I wish I'd thought of it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, do you think someone like St Joseph Cupertino, a Catholic saint who was also reported to levitate, do you think such people were also deluded? If he thought he could levitate but didn't then yes, obviously. If he really could levitate then he wasn't deluded. We will never know as they didn't film it for us, or even do a swift woodcut!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
salya,I think it's reported that many saw him levitate. Many On Friday, May 23, 2014 6:51 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, do you think someone like St Joseph Cupertino, a Catholic saint who was also reported to levitate, do you think such people were also deluded? If he thought he could levitate but didn't then yes, obviously. If he really could levitate then he wasn't deluded. We will never know as they didn't film it for us, or even do a swift woodcut!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salya,I think it's reported that many saw him levitate. Many It means nothing to me. On Friday, May 23, 2014 6:51 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, do you think someone like St Joseph Cupertino, a Catholic saint who was also reported to levitate, do you think such people were also deluded? If he thought he could levitate but didn't then yes, obviously. If he really could levitate then he wasn't deluded. We will never know as they didn't film it for us, or even do a swift woodcut!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salya,I think it's reported that many saw him levitate. Many It means nothing to me. Would it if you had been one of them? I mean, ponder this. That's the situation I find myself in. We agree on SO many things, and I am in many ways as jaded a scientific heretic as you, and yet I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night. While I completely agree that someone else's claim of seeing something like this is Just Another Claim, and thus carries no weight, being the claimant is sometimes interesting. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
You think it's reported? What's the uncertainty? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salya,I think it's reported that many saw him levitate. Many On Friday, May 23, 2014 6:51 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin, do you think someone like St Joseph Cupertino, a Catholic saint who was also reported to levitate, do you think such people were also deluded? If he thought he could levitate but didn't then yes, obviously. If he really could levitate then he wasn't deluded. We will never know as they didn't film it for us, or even do a swift woodcut!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
On 5/22/2014 5:17 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/22/2014 4:03 PM, salyavin808 wrote: Marshy made me believe I could fly by sitting cross legged and hopping up and down holding my feet. I thought I was clever until then, I'm excruciatingly embarrassed about it now. So you've got to hand it to him as far as weaving a spell goes. This is /really/ funny when you get down to the raw details: a guy sitting on a deerskin rug, wearing a bed sheet and looking like a flower salesman with a funny giggle, a guy you never even met, weaved a spell on you, put you into a trance-induction state, then coerced you into listening to hours and hours of audio and video tapes for years, brainwashing you into believing you could hop, skip, and jump to enlightenment, become invisble, and walk on water - by thinking about a nonsense gibberish phrase. This guy, The Maharishi, must have been an AWESOME genius! As P.T. Barnum once said /There's a sucker born every minute./ LoL! Yup, I was in a cult, I admit it. The trick is to realise that fact and make your weary way back to reality. A lot of people don't. Was Marshy a genius? Undoubtably, I doff my cap to him. I wish I'd thought of it. The real problem isn't with the Maharishi, even if he was an awesome genius - the problem is in your own mind. MMY has nothing to do with your transcending meditation, or not. Case: Two monks argued about a temple flag waving in the breeze. One said, It is the flag that moves. The other said, It is the breeze moving. Just then, Hui-neng appeared saying, Not the flag; not the wind; it is the mind that moves. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
On 5/22/2014 5:45 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: YMMV as to whether or not you agree with him as to the source, but anyone who thinks that he didn't have some sense of divine inspiration and mission about what he was doing has taken denial in another direction, I think. It's just amazing what someone can do when they set their mind on it. Take Mahatma Gandhi who, freed India from the British Empire - by the sheer force of his charismatic personality! Who would have thought that a little known guy like that, arriving in America using a rolled up carpet for a suitcase, could build a billion dollar corporation and teach millions of people how to practice yoga and meditation? The guy was just awesome in his dedication toward a goal - I call it /energized enthusiasm/. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
On 5/22/2014 8:46 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re : Watching old tapes of all of us around Robin during seminars is downright excruciating. : Can you post the clips on YouTube for the rest of us to enjoy? I think I'd better not. Also, it's not all that easy to post VHS tapes on YouTube. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
Judy, the uncertainty is that I don't have the documents in front of me at this moment. I'm speaking from memory. On Friday, May 23, 2014 8:37 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: You think it's reported? What's the uncertainty? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salya,I think it's reported that many saw him levitate. Many On Friday, May 23, 2014 6:51 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin, do you think someone like St Joseph Cupertino, a Catholic saint who was also reported to levitate, do you think such people were also deluded? If he thought he could levitate but didn't then yes, obviously. If he really could levitate then he wasn't deluded. We will never know as they didn't film it for us, or even do a swift woodcut!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
salyavin, I'm definitely interested in your answer to turq's question because for me, if I'm lacking experience about something, then another source of info is people who I respect. You seem to respect turq, or at least his views, so again, I'm interested in your response to this. On Friday, May 23, 2014 7:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salya,I think it's reported that many saw him levitate. Many It means nothing to me. Would it if you had been one of them? I mean, ponder this. That's the situation I find myself in. We agree on SO many things, and I am in many ways as jaded a scientific heretic as you, and yet I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night. While I completely agree that someone else's claim of seeing something like this is Just Another Claim, and thus carries no weight, being the claimant is sometimes interesting. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salya,I think it's reported that many saw him levitate. Many It means nothing to me. Would it if you had been one of them? Ah well, that would be different. Perhaps I should clarify what I meant: it's the claims of people who died 500 years ago that mean nothing. We simply don't know what they meant, it might have been that he appeared so consumed with holiness he looked like he might be pulled up to heaven, and the story just got so exaggerated between the disciples and the only guy in the area who could write that it started to be taken literally. People had a crazy reverence for the church in those days. Maybe the rumours were started by the church to get more donations. And then there's the way culture operated in those days, we don't know what role stories might have played and religious myths in particular. Things that people did even 120 years ago can catch us out now. For instance there used to be stories of mysterious airships reported in papers all over America. Nowadays it's seen by the Nabby's of the world as proof that UFOs have been around longer than we thought. The truth is more mundane, what we forgot is that a popular pastime in those days before TV were Liars clubs, where gents would meet and make up tall tales and the best would get sent down the wires as true the next day. So without knowing how society functioned in an age where people thought ecstasy could overrule the laws of physics we can't really interpret rumours of floating with any accuracy. There's too much time and evolution of culture for us to be sure what they meant. That's why it means nothing. The plural of anecdote isn't data, as we all know... I mean, ponder this. That's the situation I find myself in. We agree on SO many things, and I am in many ways as jaded a scientific heretic as you, and yet I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night. I think I've said this before but I'd love to have been there as it sounds like a great party. I've had no actual experience of anyone I would call a spiritual teacher, I just got the old Marshy tapes and didn't like them much - occasional inspiration but mostly sleep inducing. I bet it would have been different if I'd been there in the early days, that sounds like fun too. But hanging around in the desert has always been my particular cup of earl grey. While I completely agree that someone else's claim of seeing something like this is Just Another Claim, and thus carries no weight, being the claimant is sometimes interesting. :-) I'm sure I would first doubt my sanity if I saw someone levitate, then I'd have to try and get scientific about it - if that's even possible. But what strikes me as odd - and a bit sad - is that TMers have to look back so far into the non-Hindu past to get validation of levitation. There they sit in the domes day after day, on the highest path, and doing a technique given to them by apparently the greatest spiritual teacher ever and NO ONE has floated. Must be a drag to have to evoke saint-whatever instead of turning round and looking at the guy next to you bang his head on the ceiling. Never mind, practise makes perfect ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salya,I think it's reported that many saw him levitate. Many It means nothing to me. Would it if you had been one of them? Ah well, that would be different. Perhaps I should clarify what I meant: it's the claims of people who died 500 years ago that mean nothing. We simply don't know what they meant, it might have been that he appeared so consumed with holiness he looked like he might be pulled up to heaven, and the story just got so exaggerated between the disciples and the only guy in the area who could write that it started to be taken literally. People had a crazy reverence for the church in those days. I completely agree. Add to the scenario you mention that we don't really know from something that old whether the person supposed to have written it really did, or whether it's a translation and much was lost in converting it from it's original language, or even whether it might have been written by a person with that era's counterpart of a New Age bloated ego who was just making shit up to get attention. :-) Maybe the rumours were started by the church to get more donations. That is certainly possible. Modern scholarship has demonstrated that a number of Catholic relics such as the supposed bones of a saint or in one case (which I've seen) the skull of Mary Magdalene were just ordinary discard body parts that the Church chose to call relics because it would increase their revenues. The Church leaders who first put these objects on display *knew* that they were fakes, but the put them on display nonetheless. Same in my opinion with many of the stories of the saints. And then there's the way culture operated in those days, we don't know what role stories might have played and religious myths in particular. Things that people did even 120 years ago can catch us out now. For instance there used to be stories of mysterious airships reported in papers all over America. Nowadays it's seen by the Nabby's of the world as proof that UFOs have been around longer than we thought. The truth is more mundane, what we forgot is that a popular pastime in those days before TV were Liars clubs, where gents would meet and make up tall tales and the best would get sent down the wires as true the next day. So without knowing how society functioned in an age where people thought ecstasy could overrule the laws of physics we can't really interpret rumours of floating with any accuracy. There's too much time and evolution of culture for us to be sure what they meant. That's why it means nothing. The plural of anecdote isn't data, as we all know... I mean, ponder this. That's the situation I find myself in. We agree on SO many things, and I am in many ways as jaded a scientific heretic as you, and yet I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night. I think I've said this before but I'd love to have been there as it sounds like a great party. It was indeed a grand party for a long time, and I do not regret it. I probably should have left earlier than I did, but I think that all of us who have ever walked out on a bad relationship later than we should have would say that. :-) I've had no actual experience of anyone I would call a spiritual teacher, I just got the old Marshy tapes and didn't like them much - occasional inspiration but mostly sleep inducing. Much of what they say really IS sleep-inducing, unless you're the kind of person who is inspired by soporifics. I think it's kinda a taste thing. Either you're the kinda person who gets off on spiritual teachers or you're not. I was, but after rehab I'm not any more. :-) I bet it would have been different if I'd been there in the early days, that sounds like fun too. But hanging around in the desert has always been my particular cup of earl grey. It was mine, too. I grew up in deserts, from Morocco to Texas to Southern California, so getting to go out at night and play in them was just a flashback to how I grew up. Sitting in the desert under a sky filled with stars with Rama was just like sitting under similar stars back in Morocco. Except that the stars didn't move around as much back in Morocco. :-) While I completely agree that someone else's claim of seeing something like this is Just Another Claim, and thus carries no weight, being the claimant is sometimes interesting. :-) I'm sure I would first doubt my sanity if I saw someone levitate, then I'd have to try and get scientific about it - if that's even possible. Welcome to my
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
salyavin, do you think that the world's scientific experts on gravity know everything there is to know about it?! This is wrt your speculation that if you saw someone levitate, you'd think you were insane and then you'd get scientific about levitation. But your ability to get scientific about it would be limited to the current knowledge about it. On Friday, May 23, 2014 9:38 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salya,I think it's reported that many saw him levitate. Many It means nothing to me. Would it if you had been one of them? Ah well, that would be different. Perhaps I should clarify what I meant: it's the claims of people who died 500 years ago that mean nothing. We simply don't know what they meant, it might have been that he appeared so consumed with holiness he looked like he might be pulled up to heaven, and the story just got so exaggerated between the disciples and the only guy in the area who could write that it started to be taken literally. People had a crazy reverence for the church in those days. Maybe the rumours were started by the church to get more donations. And then there's the way culture operated in those days, we don't know what role stories might have played and religious myths in particular. Things that people did even 120 years ago can catch us out now. For instance there used to be stories of mysterious airships reported in papers all over America. Nowadays it's seen by the Nabby's of the world as proof that UFOs have been around longer than we thought. The truth is more mundane, what we forgot is that a popular pastime in those days before TV were Liars clubs, where gents would meet and make up tall tales and the best would get sent down the wires as true the next day. So without knowing how society functioned in an age where people thought ecstasy could overrule the laws of physics we can't really interpret rumours of floating with any accuracy. There's too much time and evolution of culture for us to be sure what they meant. That's why it means nothing. The plural of anecdote isn't data, as we all know... I mean, ponder this. That's the situation I find myself in. We agree on SO many things, and I am in many ways as jaded a scientific heretic as you, and yet I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night. I think I've said this before but I'd love to have been there as it sounds like a great party. I've had no actual experience of anyone I would call a spiritual teacher, I just got the old Marshy tapes and didn't like them much - occasional inspiration but mostly sleep inducing. I bet it would have been different if I'd been there in the early days, that sounds like fun too. But hanging around in the desert has always been my particular cup of earl grey. While I completely agree that someone else's claim of seeing something like this is Just Another Claim, and thus carries no weight, being the claimant is sometimes interesting. :-) I'm sure I would first doubt my sanity if I saw someone levitate, then I'd have to try and get scientific about it - if that's even possible. But what strikes me as odd - and a bit sad - is that TMers have to look back so far into the non-Hindu past to get validation of levitation. There they sit in the domes day after day, on the highest path, and doing a technique given to them by apparently the greatest spiritual teacher ever and NO ONE has floated. Must be a drag to have to evoke saint-whatever instead of turning round and looking at the guy next to you bang his head on the ceiling. Never mind, practise makes perfect ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
You wouldn't need to have the documents in front of you. All you'd need would be to have read that many people reported seeing St. Joseph levitate. Which would be obvious anyway--he wouldn't be famous for levitating if a lot of people hadn't said they'd seen him do it (whether he did or not). You really don't need to pretend uncertainty about a fact. Faux diffidence is not charming, it's just faux. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, the uncertainty is that I don't have the documents in front of me at this moment. I'm speaking from memory. On Friday, May 23, 2014 8:37 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: You think it's reported? What's the uncertainty? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salya,I think it's reported that many saw him levitate. Many On Friday, May 23, 2014 6:51 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin, do you think someone like St Joseph Cupertino, a Catholic saint who was also reported to levitate, do you think such people were also deluded? If he thought he could levitate but didn't then yes, obviously. If he really could levitate then he wasn't deluded. We will never know as they didn't film it for us, or even do a swift woodcut!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, do you think that the world's scientific experts on gravity know everything there is to know about it?! There are plenty of alternative theories to Einstein's - which is the current most likely option with plenty of experimental results - but they are all much of a muchness and none of them have it as an optional extra to be discarded in states of religious fervour. Like the other fundamental forces its existence and time of arrival in the current model of universal expansion is well known and it can be predicted with great accuracy. And there isn't an understood way in which we can just decide to disregard it and float away. This is the thing about laws, they are just descriptions of what happens with matter all the time. Pick something up and drop it, every time it will be the same. Feel free to demonstrate otherwise, I'll be extremely happy if you do! This is wrt your speculation that if you saw someone levitate, you'd think you were insane and then you'd get scientific about levitation. But your ability to get scientific about it would be limited to the current knowledge about it. No, all you need to know is that small things fall towards big ones to realise that something needed explaining. All you'd have to do is show that it was happening without any sort of trickery like magnets or thin wires etc. The explanation can be worked out once you have the data. On Friday, May 23, 2014 9:38 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salya,I think it's reported that many saw him levitate. Many It means nothing to me. Would it if you had been one of them? Ah well, that would be different. Perhaps I should clarify what I meant: it's the claims of people who died 500 years ago that mean nothing. We simply don't know what they meant, it might have been that he appeared so consumed with holiness he looked like he might be pulled up to heaven, and the story just got so exaggerated between the disciples and the only guy in the area who could write that it started to be taken literally. People had a crazy reverence for the church in those days. Maybe the rumours were started by the church to get more donations. And then there's the way culture operated in those days, we don't know what role stories might have played and religious myths in particular. Things that people did even 120 years ago can catch us out now. For instance there used to be stories of mysterious airships reported in papers all over America. Nowadays it's seen by the Nabby's of the world as proof that UFOs have been around longer than we thought. The truth is more mundane, what we forgot is that a popular pastime in those days before TV were Liars clubs, where gents would meet and make up tall tales and the best would get sent down the wires as true the next day. So without knowing how society functioned in an age where people thought ecstasy could overrule the laws of physics we can't really interpret rumours of floating with any accuracy. There's too much time and evolution of culture for us to be sure what they meant. That's why it means nothing. The plural of anecdote isn't data, as we all know... I mean, ponder this. That's the situation I find myself in. We agree on SO many things, and I am in many ways as jaded a scientific heretic as you, and yet I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night. I think I've said this before but I'd love to have been there as it sounds like a great party. I've had no actual experience of anyone I would call a spiritual teacher, I just got the old Marshy tapes and didn't like them much - occasional inspiration but mostly sleep inducing. I bet it would have been different if I'd been there in the early days, that sounds like fun too. But hanging around in the desert has always been my particular cup of earl grey. While I completely agree that someone else's claim of seeing something like this is Just Another Claim, and thus carries no weight, being the claimant is sometimes interesting. :-) I'm sure I would first doubt my sanity if I saw someone levitate, then I'd have to try and get scientific about it - if that's even possible. But what strikes me as odd - and a bit sad - is that TMers have to look back so far into the non-Hindu past to get validation of levitation. There they sit in the domes day after day, on the highest path, and doing a technique given to them by apparently the greatest spiritual teacher ever and NO ONE has floated. Must be a drag to have to evoke saint-whatever
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
salyavin, I doubt that St. Joseph Cupertino just decided to disregard gravity and float away! Ok, indirectly you're saying that science is not yet able to explain levitation. Thanks (-: On Friday, May 23, 2014 12:35 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, do you think that the world's scientific experts on gravity know everything there is to know about it?! There are plenty of alternative theories to Einstein's - which is the current most likely option with plenty of experimental results - but they are all much of a muchness and none of them have it as an optional extra to be discarded in states of religious fervour. Like the other fundamental forces its existence and time of arrival in the current model of universal expansion is well known and it can be predicted with great accuracy. And there isn't an understood way in which we can just decide to disregard it and float away. This is the thing about laws, they are just descriptions of what happens with matter all the time. Pick something up and drop it, every time it will be the same. Feel free to demonstrate otherwise, I'll be extremely happy if you do! This is wrt your speculation that if you saw someone levitate, you'd think you were insane and then you'd get scientific about levitation. But your ability to get scientific about it would be limited to the current knowledge about it. No, all you need to know is that small things fall towards big ones to realise that something needed explaining. All you'd have to do is show that it was happening without any sort of trickery like magnets or thin wires etc. The explanation can be worked out once you have the data. On Friday, May 23, 2014 9:38 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salya,I think it's reported that many saw him levitate. Many It means nothing to me. Would it if you had been one of them? Ah well, that would be different. Perhaps I should clarify what I meant: it's the claims of people who died 500 years ago that mean nothing. We simply don't know what they meant, it might have been that he appeared so consumed with holiness he looked like he might be pulled up to heaven, and the story just got so exaggerated between the disciples and the only guy in the area who could write that it started to be taken literally. People had a crazy reverence for the church in those days. Maybe the rumours were started by the church to get more donations. And then there's the way culture operated in those days, we don't know what role stories might have played and religious myths in particular. Things that people did even 120 years ago can catch us out now. For instance there used to be stories of mysterious airships reported in papers all over America. Nowadays it's seen by the Nabby's of the world as proof that UFOs have been around longer than we thought. The truth is more mundane, what we forgot is that a popular pastime in those days before TV were Liars clubs, where gents would meet and make up tall tales and the best would get sent down the wires as true the next day. So without knowing how society functioned in an age where people thought ecstasy could overrule the laws of physics we can't really interpret rumours of floating with any accuracy. There's too much time and evolution of culture for us to be sure what they meant. That's why it means nothing. The plural of anecdote isn't data, as we all know... I mean, ponder this. That's the situation I find myself in. We agree on SO many things, and I am in many ways as jaded a scientific heretic as you, and yet I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night. I think I've said this before but I'd love to have been there as it sounds like a great party. I've had no actual experience of anyone I would call a spiritual teacher, I just got the old Marshy tapes and didn't like them much - occasional inspiration but mostly sleep inducing. I bet it would have been different if I'd been there in the early days, that sounds like fun too. But hanging around in the desert has always been my particular cup of earl grey. While I completely agree that someone else's claim of seeing something like this is Just Another Claim, and thus carries no weight, being the claimant is sometimes interesting. :-) I'm sure I would first doubt my sanity if I saw someone levitate, then I'd have to try and get scientific about it - if that's even possible. But what strikes me as odd - and a bit sad - is that TMers have to look back so far into the non-Hindu past to get validation of levitation. There they sit in
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
The guy at 27.00 is Mark Landau, one of Marshy's former skin boys. Rick interviewed him some time back. I talked with him via internet and on the phone after I saw the BATGAP interview and he answered my questions. A nice guy, and lucky to have come out of TM addiction. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 2:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh you guys are gonna love this one: I did actually. Good to see Marshy talking crap again and it reminded me how hideous all the True Believers are with their fake, treacly voices and sycophantic laughter. Lynch really has been brainwashed too, he knows all the lines and seems unabashed standing in front of an uninvited crowd and saying that consciousness is the unified field! That takes some balls, or some ignorance... All it needed was a proper microphone to do the narration and titles to name all the people being interviewed, for instance who is the guy at 27.00 who claims to have taken women to Marshy's room? BTW the guy at the beginning is Michael Persinger, a neuroscientist who did a study of TM research and published the book TM and Cultmania TM and Cult Mania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia TM and Cult Mania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia TM and Cult Mania is a book authored by Michael Persinger, Normand Carrey and Lynn Suess.[1] It was published in 1980 by Christopher Publishing Hous... View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo The TM Movement CULT The TM Movement CULT View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
TM addiction - yeah, good way to put that syndrome. Kinda like when a guy likes a girl and he keeps doing everything he can to please her, except being himself. That is what chasing enlightenment is like. It is only when everything is cast aside, especially the most precious assumptions and beliefs, that freedom can happen. TM addiction can happen pretty easily, because TM enlivens all of the energy centers in the body - it can produce sort of a high. So, like almost anything else, there is a potential for abuse, and some who would use it to masturbate egoically, vs. for cleansing oneself of extraneous elements, prior to, and during spiritual liberation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The guy at 27.00 is Mark Landau, one of Marshy's former skin boys. Rick interviewed him some time back. I talked with him via internet and on the phone after I saw the BATGAP interview and he answered my questions. A nice guy, and lucky to have come out of TM addiction. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 2:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh you guys are gonna love this one: I did actually. Good to see Marshy talking crap again and it reminded me how hideous all the True Believers are with their fake, treacly voices and sycophantic laughter. Lynch really has been brainwashed too, he knows all the lines and seems unabashed standing in front of an uninvited crowd and saying that consciousness is the unified field! That takes some balls, or some ignorance... All it needed was a proper microphone to do the narration and titles to name all the people being interviewed, for instance who is the guy at 27.00 who claims to have taken women to Marshy's room? BTW the guy at the beginning is Michael Persinger, a neuroscientist who did a study of TM research and published the book TM and Cultmania TM and Cult Mania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TM_and_Cult_Mania http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TM_and_Cult_Mania TM and Cult Mania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TM_and_Cult_Mania TM and Cult Mania is a book authored by Michael Persinger, Normand Carrey and Lynn Suess.[1] It was published in 1980 by Christopher Publishing Hous... View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo The TM Movement CULT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQMKxrLnOGc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQMKxrLnOGc The TM Movement CULT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQMKxrLnOGc View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQMKxrLnOGc Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
Really, who couldn't like Mark. Although he comes across now as sort a tragic figure. My bid of $1,000.00* still stands for MMY's sandals. But I think he was wanting something along the lines of 40k. *Actually, I'm kinda pressed for funds. I may have to withdraw my bid. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The guy at 27.00 is Mark Landau, one of Marshy's former skin boys. Rick interviewed him some time back. I talked with him via internet and on the phone after I saw the BATGAP interview and he answered my questions. A nice guy, and lucky to have come out of TM addiction. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 2:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh you guys are gonna love this one: I did actually. Good to see Marshy talking crap again and it reminded me how hideous all the True Believers are with their fake, treacly voices and sycophantic laughter. Lynch really has been brainwashed too, he knows all the lines and seems unabashed standing in front of an uninvited crowd and saying that consciousness is the unified field! That takes some balls, or some ignorance... All it needed was a proper microphone to do the narration and titles to name all the people being interviewed, for instance who is the guy at 27.00 who claims to have taken women to Marshy's room? BTW the guy at the beginning is Michael Persinger, a neuroscientist who did a study of TM research and published the book TM and Cultmania TM and Cult Mania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TM_and_Cult_Mania http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TM_and_Cult_Mania TM and Cult Mania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TM_and_Cult_Mania TM and Cult Mania is a book authored by Michael Persinger, Normand Carrey and Lynn Suess.[1] It was published in 1980 by Christopher Publishing Hous... View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo The TM Movement CULT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQMKxrLnOGc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQMKxrLnOGc The TM Movement CULT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQMKxrLnOGc View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQMKxrLnOGc Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
shu-bop, shu-bop... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Really, who couldn't like Mark. Although he comes across now as sort a tragic figure. My bid of $1,000.00* still stands for MMY's sandals. But I think he was wanting something along the lines of 40k. *Actually, I'm kinda pressed for funds. I may have to withdraw my bid. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The guy at 27.00 is Mark Landau, one of Marshy's former skin boys. Rick interviewed him some time back. I talked with him via internet and on the phone after I saw the BATGAP interview and he answered my questions. A nice guy, and lucky to have come out of TM addiction. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 2:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh you guys are gonna love this one: I did actually. Good to see Marshy talking crap again and it reminded me how hideous all the True Believers are with their fake, treacly voices and sycophantic laughter. Lynch really has been brainwashed too, he knows all the lines and seems unabashed standing in front of an uninvited crowd and saying that consciousness is the unified field! That takes some balls, or some ignorance... All it needed was a proper microphone to do the narration and titles to name all the people being interviewed, for instance who is the guy at 27.00 who claims to have taken women to Marshy's room? BTW the guy at the beginning is Michael Persinger, a neuroscientist who did a study of TM research and published the book TM and Cultmania TM and Cult Mania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TM_and_Cult_Mania http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TM_and_Cult_Mania TM and Cult Mania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TM_and_Cult_Mania TM and Cult Mania is a book authored by Michael Persinger, Normand Carrey and Lynn Suess.[1] It was published in 1980 by Christopher Publishing Hous... View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo The TM Movement CULT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQMKxrLnOGc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQMKxrLnOGc The TM Movement CULT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQMKxrLnOGc View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQMKxrLnOGc Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
In discussions with my friend Bill, who is the 40 year plus TM'er who recently quit, he has had doubts about people like Mark and Judith Borque saying that they are somewhat flakey. I pointed out to him that long term TM often, not always but often LEADS to flakeyness, especially those who spent lots of time rounding and around Marshy. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? Really, who couldn't like Mark. Although he comes across now as sort a tragic figure. My bid of $1,000.00* still stands for MMY's sandals. But I think he was wanting something along the lines of 40k. *Actually, I'm kinda pressed for funds. I may have to withdraw my bid. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The guy at 27.00 is Mark Landau, one of Marshy's former skin boys. Rick interviewed him some time back. I talked with him via internet and on the phone after I saw the BATGAP interview and he answered my questions. A nice guy, and lucky to have come out of TM addiction. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 2:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh you guys are gonna love this one: I did actually. Good to see Marshy talking crap again and it reminded me how hideous all the True Believers are with their fake, treacly voices and sycophantic laughter. Lynch really has been brainwashed too, he knows all the lines and seems unabashed standing in front of an uninvited crowd and saying that consciousness is the unified field! That takes some balls, or some ignorance... All it needed was a proper microphone to do the narration and titles to name all the people being interviewed, for instance who is the guy at 27.00 who claims to have taken women to Marshy's room? BTW the guy at the beginning is Michael Persinger, a neuroscientist who did a study of TM research and published the book TM and Cultmania TM and Cult Mania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia TM and Cult Mania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia TM and Cult Mania is a book authored by Michael Persinger, Normand Carrey and Lynn Suess.[1] It was published in 1980 by Christopher Publishing Hous... View on en.wikipedia.orgPreview by Yahoo The TM Movement CULT The TM Movement CULT View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
You know, I never thought about Robin taping his seminars - thanks for sharing that. As to Mark, when I spoke with him on the phone he made it clear that he loved M totally and he still does. Yet at the same time he had no illusions as to what an ass the old man could be. He was real plain in speaking about M's tendency to give any of the old 108's who had run out of money the boot and he also told me he heard Marshy show contempt for even his own followers for their gullibility from time to time. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 9:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : In discussions with my friend Bill, who is the 40 year plus TM'er who recently quit, he has had doubts about people like Mark and Judith Borque saying that they are somewhat flakey. I pointed out to him that long term TM often, not always but often LEADS to flakeyness, especially those who spent lots of time rounding and around Marshy. I didn't find Mark or Judith flakey at all. But there does seem to be this strange phenomena of the being-around-the-teacher-too-much thing. Watching old tapes of all of us around Robin during seminars is downright excruciating. The careful, stilted, soft-spoken and tentative descriptions we would give of our experiences or of something happening at the mic is hilarious to behold. It was like we were given some sort of drug that rendered us these whispery, milque toasts of a human being. I guess, a lot of it was mood making mixed with fear of saying or doing the wrong thing. We figured if we didn't speak too loudly maybe no one would actually hear us!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
On 5/22/2014 1:38 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh you guys are gonna love this one: I did actually. Good to see Marshy talking crap again and it reminded me how hideous all the True Believers are with their fake, treacly voices and sycophantic laughter. The problem with this newsgroup is that some people post to much hatred. It's kind of sad to see so them so screwed up, living in the past - realizing that the first and last thing they do almost everyday is compose some juvenile message spouting off. Some of these guys must lead real real bummer lives. Go figure. Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
Where's the hatred in that? I never liked the fake I'm so blissed voices. Obvious mood-making and ironically what they were told not to do by the guy sitting in front of them. The sycophants are pathetic too Dick. Were you one, is that why this pushes your buttons? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/22/2014 1:38 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : Oh you guys are gonna love this one: I did actually. Good to see Marshy talking crap again and it reminded me how hideous all the True Believers are with their fake, treacly voices and sycophantic laughter. The problem with this newsgroup is that some people post to much hatred. It's kind of sad to see so them so screwed up, living in the past - realizing that the first and last thing they do almost everyday is compose some juvenile message spouting off. Some of these guys must lead real real bummer lives. Go figure. Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
On 5/22/2014 8:50 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: But there does seem to be this strange phenomena of the being-around-the-teacher-too-much thing. It has not been established that MJ has been around ANY teachers at all. Apparently he never even met MMY. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
On 5/22/2014 8:34 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: But even if the man (MMY) did not practice what he preached in terms of presenting himself as a monk I am not sure how that takes away from the technique of TM. Sometimes things work well even if the messenger is flawed. Most people, TMers included and TM teachers,, do not want to talk very much about the /actual TM technique itself/. Nobody has really ever been able to define exactly what TM is, including the MMY himself. We do know that it involves thinking, and that it involves a sound, experienced just like any other thought, but you probably won't find out much about the actual technique reading here. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
Richie is not forgiving us for forgetting to wear our hats shaped like a Buddhist stupa - we all know thanks to WillyTex that ALL things of value INCLUDING TM came out of some sort of Buddhist stupa. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? Where's the hatred in that? I never liked the fake I'm so blissed voices. Obvious mood-making and ironically what they were told not to do by the guy sitting in front of them. The sycophants are pathetic too Dick. Were you one, is that why this pushes your buttons? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/22/2014 1:38 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh you guys are gonna love this one: I did actually. Good to see Marshy talking crap again and it reminded me how hideous all the True Believers are with their fake, treacly voices and sycophantic laughter. The problem with this newsgroup is that some people post to much hatred. It's kind of sad to see so them so screwed up, living in the past - realizing that the first and last thing they do almost everyday is compose some juvenile message spouting off. Some of these guys must lead real real bummer lives. Go figure. Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
It has also not been established why you are not living in a facility for the deranged. I must have been around some TM teachers otherwise I could never have gotten my TM mantra - and as to meeting the Old Fraud, if you mean did I ever shake hands with him, no. I was in a big ass room with him and a couple hundred people once at good ol' MIU. But if I had put out the rumor I was a multimillionaire, I bet I would-a had a private audience with him. From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? On 5/22/2014 8:50 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: But there does seem to be this strange phenomena of the being-around-the-teacher-too-much thing. It has not been established that MJ has been around ANY teachers at all. Apparently he never even met MMY. Go figure. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
Pretty much by the theory of what rounding is supposed to do, it will lead to flakiness. If it doesn't, than you probably don't need to round much, though of course, you might still benefit from it. See the before/after 2-3 years of Invincible America portion of the EEG during TM video I posted. The last 5 minutes or so is quite interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd_b-LS6SzQamp;list=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd_b-LS6SzQamp;list=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : In discussions with my friend Bill, who is the 40 year plus TM'er who recently quit, he has had doubts about people like Mark and Judith Borque saying that they are somewhat flakey. I pointed out to him that long term TM often, not always but often LEADS to flakeyness, especially those who spent lots of time rounding and around Marshy. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? Really, who couldn't like Mark. Although he comes across now as sort a tragic figure. My bid of $1,000.00* still stands for MMY's sandals. But I think he was wanting something along the lines of 40k. *Actually, I'm kinda pressed for funds. I may have to withdraw my bid. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The guy at 27.00 is Mark Landau, one of Marshy's former skin boys. Rick interviewed him some time back. I talked with him via internet and on the phone after I saw the BATGAP interview and he answered my questions. A nice guy, and lucky to have come out of TM addiction. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 2:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh you guys are gonna love this one: I did actually. Good to see Marshy talking crap again and it reminded me how hideous all the True Believers are with their fake, treacly voices and sycophantic laughter. Lynch really has been brainwashed too, he knows all the lines and seems unabashed standing in front of an uninvited crowd and saying that consciousness is the unified field! That takes some balls, or some ignorance... All it needed was a proper microphone to do the narration and titles to name all the people being interviewed, for instance who is the guy at 27.00 who claims to have taken women to Marshy's room? BTW the guy at the beginning is Michael Persinger, a neuroscientist who did a study of TM research and published the book TM and Cultmania TM and Cult Mania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TM_and_Cult_Mania http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TM_and_Cult_Mania TM and Cult Mania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TM_and_Cult_Mania TM and Cult Mania is a book authored by Michael Persinger, Normand Carrey and Lynn Suess.[1] It was published in 1980 by Christopher Publishing Hous... View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo The TM Movement CULT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQMKxrLnOGc The TM Movement CULT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQMKxrLnOGc View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
On 5/22/2014 4:03 PM, salyavin808 wrote: Marshy made me believe I could fly by sitting cross legged and hopping up and down holding my feet. I thought I was clever until then, I'm excruciatingly embarrassed about it now. So you've got to hand it to him as far as weaving a spell goes. This is /really/ funny when you get down to the raw details: a guy sitting on a deerskin rug, wearing a bed sheet and looking like a flower salesman with a funny giggle, a guy you never even met, weaved a spell on you, put you into a trance-induction state, then coerced you into listening to hours and hours of audio and video tapes for years, brainwashing you into believing you could hop, skip, and jump to enlightenment, become invisble, and walk on water - by thinking about a nonsense gibberish phrase. This guy, The Maharishi, must have been an AWESOME genius! As P.T. Barnum once said /There's a sucker born every minute./ LoL! --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/22/2014 4:03 PM, salyavin808 wrote: Marshy made me believe I could fly by sitting cross legged and hopping up and down holding my feet. I thought I was clever until then, I'm excruciatingly embarrassed about it now. So you've got to hand it to him as far as weaving a spell goes. This is really funny when you get down to the raw details: a guy sitting on a deerskin rug, wearing a bed sheet and looking like a flower salesman with a funny giggle, a guy you never even met, weaved a spell on you, put you into a trance-induction state, then coerced you into listening to hours and hours of audio and video tapes for years, brainwashing you into believing you could hop, skip, and jump to enlightenment, become invisble, and walk on water - by thinking about a nonsense gibberish phrase. This guy, The Maharishi, must have been an AWESOME genius! As P.T. Barnum once said There's a sucker born every minute. LoL! Yup, I was in a cult, I admit it. The trick is to realise that fact and make your weary way back to reality. A lot of people don't. Was Marshy a genius? Undoubtably, I doff my cap to him. I wish I'd thought of it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
And I still practice all this stuff as regularly as I can manage. Go figure. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/22/2014 4:03 PM, salyavin808 wrote: Marshy made me believe I could fly by sitting cross legged and hopping up and down holding my feet. I thought I was clever until then, I'm excruciatingly embarrassed about it now. So you've got to hand it to him as far as weaving a spell goes. This is really funny when you get down to the raw details: a guy sitting on a deerskin rug, wearing a bed sheet and looking like a flower salesman with a funny giggle, a guy you never even met, weaved a spell on you, put you into a trance-induction state, then coerced you into listening to hours and hours of audio and video tapes for years, brainwashing you into believing you could hop, skip, and jump to enlightenment, become invisble, and walk on water - by thinking about a nonsense gibberish phrase. This guy, The Maharishi, must have been an AWESOME genius! As P.T. Barnum once said There's a sucker born every minute. LoL! This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
Like The Blues Brothers, MMY was on a mission from God. YMMV as to whether or not you agree with him as to the source, but anyone who thinks that he didn't have some sense of divine inspiration and mission about what he was doing has taken denial in another direction, I think. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/22/2014 4:03 PM, salyavin808 wrote: Marshy made me believe I could fly by sitting cross legged and hopping up and down holding my feet. I thought I was clever until then, I'm excruciatingly embarrassed about it now. So you've got to hand it to him as far as weaving a spell goes. This is really funny when you get down to the raw details: a guy sitting on a deerskin rug, wearing a bed sheet and looking like a flower salesman with a funny giggle, a guy you never even met, weaved a spell on you, put you into a trance-induction state, then coerced you into listening to hours and hours of audio and video tapes for years, brainwashing you into believing you could hop, skip, and jump to enlightenment, become invisble, and walk on water - by thinking about a nonsense gibberish phrase. This guy, The Maharishi, must have been an AWESOME genius! As P.T. Barnum once said There's a sucker born every minute. LoL! Yup, I was in a cult, I admit it. The trick is to realise that fact and make your weary way back to reality. A lot of people don't. Was Marshy a genius? Undoubtably, I doff my cap to him. I wish I'd thought of it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
On 5/22/2014 2:19 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: It's easy to innuendo anything you want by leaving out little details. The one detail that is probably NOT in dispute is that MJ was never inside MMY's bedroom, or any where near MMY, ever, at any time and nowhere. That's a fact that probably nobody will dispute. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
On 5/22/2014 9:50 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: It has also not been established why you are not living in a facility for the deranged. I must have been around some TM teachers otherwise I could never have gotten my TM mantra - and as to meeting the Old Fraud, if you mean did I ever shake hands with him, no. I was in a big ass room with him and a couple hundred people once at good ol' MIU. But if I had put out the rumor I was a multimillionaire, I bet I would-a had a private audience with him. Now this is funny - the impostor MJ was living around some TM teachers and one of them gave him a non-sense gibberish sound to think about. They must have put him into a trance-induction state. So, he moved all the the way from SC to IA, to sit in a big ass room with an Old Fraud and hundreds of other people. Once at the religious school, the poor MJ was forced to work in the kitchen baking bread and made to listen to hours and hours of audio and video tape, to the point of being brain-washed into believing he could fly inside a golden dome with the other bum-bouncing guys. But, MJ can't figure out why /I'm not living in a facility for the deranged?/ LoL! --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
On 5/22/2014 9:47 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richie is not forgiving us for forgetting to wear our hats shaped like a Buddhist stupa - we all know thanks to WillyTex that ALL things of value INCLUDING TM came out of some sort of Buddhist stupa. It's not just a coincidence that meditation was the foundation of the teaching of the historical Buddha. Not for nothing are images depicting the Buddha show him in a seated yoga pose with his hands in the meditation position. Around here, if it looks like a Buddha, it's probably a Buddhist of some kind. If it quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck; where there is smoke, there is usually fire. You were thinking that TM was something new? Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
On 5/22/2014 9:32 AM, salyavin808 wrote: The sycophants are pathetic too Dick. Were you one, is that why this pushes your buttons? It's just kind of depressing reading all you guys sordid past history from 40 years ago and all the hard times you've had since then. He's dead - get over it. Don't take me seriously, but it just sounds like you are down most of the time, like depressed. Maybe it's time to review some of the internet newsgroup protocols. 1. Don't troll to a newsgroup and try to cause a flame war with total strangers. 2. Avoid sending email in the middle of the night when you know all the other members are asleep. 3. Read Dick's posts /only/ as a desperate last resort, when you have absolutely nothing better to do, late at night when you are alone, /only/ if replying will make you feel better. 4. Don't feed it. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : And I still practice all this stuff as regularly as I can manage. Practise makes perfect, maybe Go figure. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/22/2014 4:03 PM, salyavin808 wrote: Marshy made me believe I could fly by sitting cross legged and hopping up and down holding my feet. I thought I was clever until then, I'm excruciatingly embarrassed about it now. So you've got to hand it to him as far as weaving a spell goes. This is really funny when you get down to the raw details: a guy sitting on a deerskin rug, wearing a bed sheet and looking like a flower salesman with a funny giggle, a guy you never even met, weaved a spell on you, put you into a trance-induction state, then coerced you into listening to hours and hours of audio and video tapes for years, brainwashing you into believing you could hop, skip, and jump to enlightenment, become invisble, and walk on water - by thinking about a nonsense gibberish phrase. This guy, The Maharishi, must have been an AWESOME genius! As P.T. Barnum once said There's a sucker born every minute. LoL! This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
