Re: [Echo] Multimedia-burner icon set draft
On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 03:32 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: And make the current trac page more elegant. I also made a quick draft about echo-icon-theme logo. Luya Not bad. Just a few comments: * as it's only two-colour, it resembles IE logo... - could be fixed if you made the head in the Echo emotes style * would be nice to make that logo in the Echo style - so adding gradients, outlines, ... * I don't mind the text, but it would be probably better off if it were on the right (the trac web-pages would look/work better with low header than with high header), and perhaps present only in the trac header * would be good to add waves propagating in opposite direction to the current one to better symbolize the meaning of word echo Ah, and would be cool if the design was such that we could make simplified smaller versions, down to 16x16 px (we might use it in echo upstream as icon for gnome menus). Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Multimedia-burner icon set draft
Hm... not bad. Perhaps would be better if you used yellow-orange or bright yellow-yellow gradient for the head, together with orange or brown outlines? Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Multimedia-burner icon set draft
On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 11:59 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Martin Sourada a écrit : Hm... not bad. Perhaps would be better if you used yellow-orange or bright yellow-yellow gradient for the head, together with orange or brown outlines? Here is the draft. Luya Looking great. Perhaps the eye could be black instead of blue (I just somehow do not like the yellow--semi-transparent blue combination)? Could you try one another variant with both waves being to the right of the head, and the backwards one being more transparent? I wonder whether it would look well and express the meaning of echo better... If you'd go for the second variant (both waves on the right), we could make a track header that would contain the text Echo Icon Theme (not necessarily in one line), using some effects on it (like adding shadow, gradient, outline), and placing it to the right of the head and waves, symbolizing that the wave is echoed by the text. Ah, and I just realized it, could you try to make it more 3D like (meaning the head could look more like ball, perhaps some more complex gradient would do the job). Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] system-lock-screen draft
On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 15:44 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: New draft of system-lock-screen based on computer icon. Comments welcome. Luya Reference: -- http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/actions Not bad, here are few comments: * 16x16 version seems to have not very well defined shape, perhaps will need further simplification * 22x22 (and 24x24) version should use flat perspective instead of on-the-table * 32x32 is rendered in 16x16, I cannot say, if it's 32x32 or 16x16 one by looking at the png * 48x48 - the top line is a little blurry, you can easily make it sharp if you create the perspective by following the on the table perspective how-to [1] (err... I just noticed it's probably because the lines are not perfectly vertical/horizontal. Seems like you took the isometric monitor and only deformed it in inkscape... Would be better to copy over only the content of the display [wallpaper] and redraw the rest from scratch) * the shadow in on-the-table and flat perspective icons should be only bellow the icon, unlike in the isometric one * is there any particular reason for the lock to be plain white? * it would also help to create more contrast between the top and front faces of the display Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines/OnTheTablePerspective signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] system-file-manager icons draft
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 22:28 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Martin Sourada a écrit : Would be good if you made similar fixes to the other sizes (22x22 and 32x32; 24x24 can be created in gimp from 22x22 by adding 1px wide transparent border to it). Martin Done. Checkout http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/applications/ Luya I have no further comments, feel free to upload it to git. Btw. I added one section [1] and a short notice to another section [2] of the git tutorial that might help you with the push :) If something there does not work, or is unclear, feel free to either edit it yourself, or complain about the problem here ;) Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/WorkingWithGit#Makingsimilarchangestomorebranches [2] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/WorkingWithGit#Keepingyourlocalrepoinsync signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Multimedia-burner icon set draft
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 23:10 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Based on media-optical iconset. the star like element means burning process hence the use of hot color on the optical surface. Luya References: http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/devices/ Looking great, I have nothing to complain about ;) Feel free to upload it to git if you are satisfied with it as well :) Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Multimedia-burner icon set draft
On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 11:06 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Martin Sourada a écrit : On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 23:10 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Based on media-optical iconset. the star like element means burning process hence the use of hot color on the optical surface. Luya References: http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/devices/ Looking great, I have nothing to complain about ;) Feel free to upload it to git if you are satisfied with it as well :) Martin These icons should be available in the branch and complete the first level Gnome menu. Luya Cool. But it looks like you're still not 100% familiar with the new system, so I went ahead and fixed/added what was needed in the Makefiles. I also moved multimedia-burner from Devices to Applications, as it's rather an icon for burning software than for the burner device itself (that is IIRC device-optical-cd-burner or something like that). I've built the new snapshot for Rawhide [1], and will fix the 0.3.x branch later. I hope to write some tutorial/step-by-step guide for working with the autotools in the echo-icon-theme so that you (and me and other potential contributors) would just need to follow the steps to do a proper commit and not need to memorize them (since we do not do commits that often we tend to forgot every now and then something...). In the meantime, if you wish to check whether the Makefiles are more or less correct, issue autoreconf --install ./configure in the base folder to prepare the build system. Then to check if all icons are listed in Makefiles issue make check And to check if it builds and installs and creates source tarball fine issue make dist-check To clean up the build system mess afterwards issue make maintainer-clean and remove the generated tarball if any. I also noticed that you modified the Makefiles in an applications that does backups (I use gedit, which does backups or mc, which does not do backups) and probably didn't noticed it at first as the backup files are hidden in nautilus. I tend to remove them by issuing (in base folder) rm -f `find | grep \~` As for the completeness of the first level menus, we still need to fix system-lock-screen and system-log-out ;-) Once these two are finished, I'll officially release echo-icon-theme-0.3.2 (I have experience of making official releases on fedorahosted for Nodoka theme) and build it for F10 ;-) Martin References: [1] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=53621 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Multimedia-burner icon set draft
On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 14:14 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: system-lock-screen should not be hard to do. We can use your monitor icon and put the locker on screen. system-log-out is a bit tricky considering the analogy. Don't forget that the system-lock-screen is action icon, so we'll need to redo the monitor in proper perspective, but yeah, it should be a rather easy one. As for system log out - either consider expanding the current one to all sizes or use the gnome-icon-theme metaphor (similar to that used on emergency exits signs). BTW. I've committed system-file-manager to 0.3.x branch as well and added a bunch of new symlinks (copied over from the installed Rawhide rpm I've built today). Just a side note, the new icons look great in the menus (and they really do fit beautifully with the other new echo icons like 'folder' or icons in the first level Applications menu), though the system-file-manager might be better off with more contrast (perhaps using lighter fills), but it's not a show-stopper, the current one works great too :) I hope to have more spare time to work on the echo icons during the summer vacation so that we can make it in time for F-10 :-) Also, the recent icons feel really great and are made in the very style I'd like every Echo icon to have when we finally release version 1.0 (rather distant future now...) - modern, 3Dish look, vibrant colours, subtle gradients, good usability,... It feels like the real work on Echo is just starting :-D And of course, when we finish some decent set of how-to's and tutorials, we need to start some real recruiting campaign (on the fedora websites, on our blogs, on the mailing list, in fedoraforum, ...) ;-) Luya Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] system-file-manager icons draft
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 00:30 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Martin Sourada a écrit : Just a few quick comments: * make the gradients subtler * try add more contrast between fills and outlines * add shadow a little behind the drawer as well Done Good, perhaps the shadow might be a little better. Can you try using similar shadow to that in package-x-generic? * perhaps try brown as the main colour? Check the new version * recheck align to grid in 16x16 icons, at first sight their outlines seem slightly blurry Set outline distant to 0.5px. These icons should display correctly. I left outline to grey colours to see how it works. Otherwise, I will set to brown. I'd definitely set it to brown. The grey-brown combination looks a little strange. As for the outline width, I'd keep 0.75 px and rather modify the shape a little to fit into pixel grid with vertical lines. Luya Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] system-file-manager icons draft
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 02:50 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Martin Sourada a écrit : Good, perhaps the shadow might be a little better. Can you try using similar shadow to that in package-x-generic? It should display fine now using blur and gradient on shadow area. I'd definitely set it to brown. The grey-brown combination looks a little strange. As for the outline width, I'd keep 0.75 px and rather modify the shape a little to fit into pixel grid with vertical lines. Outline set to 0.75 px and switched to brown colour. Definitely looks better. To me it looks nearly OK. I only noticed that it's still not perfectly aligned to pixel grid (or at least it seems so, I haven't checked the SVGs yet) - vertical lines seem a little blurry. You might also want to add more contrast between outlines and fills in the smaller icons to better define the shape. And one idea - perhaps try different colour/style for the handles? It's fine as it's now, but it could perhaps be better, but if you don't think so, just leave them as they are now ;-) Luya Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] system-file-manager icons draft
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 13:11 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 02:50 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Martin Sourada a écrit : Good, perhaps the shadow might be a little better. Can you try using similar shadow to that in package-x-generic? It should display fine now using blur and gradient on shadow area. I'd definitely set it to brown. The grey-brown combination looks a little strange. As for the outline width, I'd keep 0.75 px and rather modify the shape a little to fit into pixel grid with vertical lines. Outline set to 0.75 px and switched to brown colour. Definitely looks better. To me it looks nearly OK. I only noticed that it's still not perfectly aligned to pixel grid (or at least it seems so, I haven't checked the SVGs yet) - vertical lines seem a little blurry. You might also want to add more contrast between outlines and fills in the smaller icons to better define the shape. OK, I went ahead and fixed the 48x48 and 16x16 versions. As I suspected, the 48x48 one was about 0.5 px off in x direction, so moving the drawer a little to the left helped to fix the alignment. I also did some further fixes to problems I noticed in the SVG and/or improvements: * added gradient to outlines so that at the bottom of the icon the contrast between outline and fill is still non-zero * slightly edited the shadow as I liked it * minor fix to cases fills size and handles size/position * played a little with the outlines width Would be good if you made similar fixes to the other sizes (22x22 and 32x32; 24x24 can be created in gimp from 22x22 by adding 1px wide transparent border to it). Martin attachment: system-file-manager16c.pngattachment: system-file-manager16c.svgattachment: system-file-manager48c.pngattachment: system-file-manager48c.svg signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] system-file-manager icons draft
On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 15:45 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: A quick trace of system-file-manager icons (16x16 and 48x48) using metallic colours. They might need some fix on outlines. Any comments? Luya Reference: http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/applications Just a few quick comments: * make the gradients subtler * try add more contrast between fills and outlines * add shadow a little behind the drawer as well * perhaps try brown as the main colour? * recheck align to grid in 16x16 icons, at first sight their outlines seem slightly blurry Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo Icons Tutorial - Working with Git
On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 11:32 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: Martin, Hi Paul, Would you be inclined to make a Fedora wiki page out of this? It could be a lot of help to all the non-developer communities in Fedora that want to make use of git in their project work. For instance, the Fedora Docs team is going to move guides and tutorials to individual hosted projects, and git seems like the way to go if we get to choose our SCM from the beginning. First let me apologize for the late reply - due to rather hasty days, this somehow slipped my mind... I'll have some spare time starting next week (probably at Saturday), so I'd perhaps make the Fedora wiki page by then. I am not sure however, where is the best place to put such wiki page onto? Thanks, Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Revamped system-search icons set (take 2)
On Thu, 2008-06-19 at 12:36 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: That will be worth to mention in the tutorial. Done [1]. Pushed these icons in the tree but, for some reasons, I dont see the update inside browse source. Let me know it the push was succesfull. I noticed you pushed it to master branch now as well, but forgot about 48x48 icon, so I went ahead and uploaded it. I also did the other necessary changes in both branches in order to install it correctly with all needed symlinks. Apart from that, I switched fallback theme to Fedora in master branch to pick up Fedora logo for the Gnome Menu. Now that I think back about it, it was probably not a wise step since echo snapshots are now built into gentoo as well... ATM I think the best solution would be to switch the fallback theme back to gnome and patch fedora package to fallback to Fedora, or perhaps list gnome as second fallback theme. Any thoughts on this? Oh, and I built the latest git snapshot into rawhide [2], it should be in repos probably tomorrow. Luya Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines/CommonMistakes#ThickorThinLines [2] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=53379 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Revamped system-search icons set (take 2)
On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 14:09 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Oh, and I built the latest git snapshot into rawhide [2], it should be in repos probably tomorrow. Grabbed from koji. Concerning the media drive like usb, it would be nice to make difference using the extras folder. I wonder if those method will work for other DE like KDE or XFCE. Hm... it's really low priority, given that the extras icons are not necessarily needed. Also the number of icons in the extras is scarce ATM, so it does not make much sense to install them IMHO. I hope, once the number of icons increases (and we make first formal release of the set), to submit the echo-icon-theme-extras as new package into Fedora. Come to think of it, the extras icons seems good starting place for new contributors, since the base icon is created, only minor tweaks to create new one are usually needed, also icons in Echo style that are created on request for special purposes (e.g. for fedora websites) might go into extras as well... Luya Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Revamped system-search icons set (take 2)
That will be worth to mention in the tutorial. Yup, I'll add it. Pushed these icons in the tree but, for some reasons, I dont see the update inside browse source. Let me know it the push was succesfull. You pushed it to the 0.3.x branch only [1]. Also would be good to push the source SVGs as well. Then switch to master branch [1] and push them there as well. If you know of easy way to push the same files to more than one branch, please add it to the Working with Git [2] tutorial :) I usually push them to master branch first, build a new rpm from it and then copy it over from /usr/share/icons/echo-icon-theme along with the necessary symlinks, but I believe there should be more convenient way, using git commands only... In the 0.3.x branch you'll also need to create necessary symlinks, convenient way is to copy them over from already installed gnome-icon-theme (where they are generated during build, like in master branch of echo-icon-theme). Both the Browse Source [4] and Status Page [5] look into the master branch, therefore you don't see there your commit. Also don't forget that in the master branch you need to add the icons to the Makefile.am in each folder in order to be included in install, you should be able to figure how to do it by looking how it's done for other icons. Luya Martin References: [1] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=echo-icon-theme;a=shortlog;h=0.3.x [2] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/WorkingWithGit#Switchingbetweenbranches [3] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/WorkingWithGit [4] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/browser [5] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus/Actions signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Revamped system-search icons set (take 2)
On Tue, 2008-06-17 at 00:37 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: A draft for system-search with tweaking following tips about grid (version a). The shape looks like more binocular. The colour palette is not complete yet. Comments and suggestions are welcome. Luya References: --- http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/actions/ Looking great. The fills could be perhaps brighter to better contrast with the strokes, on the other hand the lenses seem too bright (perhaps use middle metal grey as base colour and have the brightest spots, perhaps in echo-blue, in their centre and little to the right). I would also suggest to make the shadow more following the shape, meaning that it could be thinner and more transparent in the middle, where nothing stand directly on the ground. I am looking forward to the simplified smaller versions ;-) Oh and perhaps the objective tubes might be a little less conic, meaning that it might look better if their upper part was a little wider than it's now. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: where're?
On Tue, 2008-06-17 at 21:36 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: Sorry... but where are my porposes? InvinXble Solar missing too from the wiki... :( Somebody can tell me the reason? Samu I cannot, but for me they both work (just checked), though for the Solar one, I have to put this URL: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar/#Solar to get it. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar shows empty page... Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 10 Theme invinXble
On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 16:04 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: Hi guys! After a lot of work I've retailed some time to design my proposal for the F10 theme, it named invinXble, I think about the will of Fedora to don't quit, get better everytime, and at the difficulties that F had to fought on the road to success to become Invincible... or better invinXble. The version 10 for me will be a great goal for this distribution and my purpose it's to use it in the concept. U can find some layout at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/InvinXble Let me know what do u think about that. Ciao Samuele Let me add my comments as well ;-) I think these pictures you created look awesome, but I cannot help but feel that they are not good for being used as default background - there are too much of detail there. While I like the first two as well as the third one, the third one is best from usability POV. It would be better to remove the Fedora logo, as we try to not use Fedora branding in artwork as much as possible to allow easier derivatives. As for making the third picture even better - maybe defocus the katana - it draws ones eyes onto it which is not good for a wallpaper. Blurring and putting it more to the background might be the way to go. Martin PS: if you create a higher resolution wide-screen variant of the third one there is a high probability that it will end up as my wallpaper even before F-10 ;-) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Echo Icons Tutorial - Working with Git
Hi, I finished another tutorial for the echo icon theme, this time targeted at artists that might be afraid of having to work with git [1]. I hope I explained the steps we use to set up and use git repository good enough; if not, shout loud what section you do not understand and together we'll improve it ;-) Of course, I also put it on my blog [2] ;-) Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/WorkingWithGit [2] http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2008/06/echo-icons-working-with-git.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo How-to] On the Table Perspective
On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 16:07 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: I've just created a new echo icon theme how-to, this time Creating Echo icons with the on the table perspective. See the newly created wiki page [1] or look at it in my blog notice [2]. Comments welcome :) That is really neat. I liked it that much that I used your tutorial as a script to record a screencast based on it: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2008/06/echo-tips-screencast-creating-icons.html You really like doing screen-casts, don't you. :-D Feel free to add link to it in the echo-icon-theme wiki [1] (if you haven't done it already). I think it looks great ;-) (even with the tiny typo in my name :-D) Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines/OnTheTablePerspective signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[Echo How-to] On the Table Perspective
Hi all, I've just created a new echo icon theme how-to, this time Creating Echo icons with the on the table perspective. See the newly created wiki page [1] or look at it in my blog notice [2]. Comments welcome :) Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines/OnTheTablePerspective [2] http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2008/06/echo-icons-tips-creating-echo-icons.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Revamped system-search icons set
On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 16:48 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sorry for the long delay as this class session is very intensive than expected. Promptly I took the time to redesign the whole set of system-search icons (including 256x256) following echo guidelines[1] and using binoculars[2] instead. Comments and suggestion are always welcome. Luya References: - [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines [2] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-May/msg00011.html The metaphor is IMHO good, although a little simple (you could perhaps try binoculars with bigger lenses on the object side - something like this [1]). As for the design itself, all the icons save 256x256 are blurry. Please align the icons to grid. I attach a quick fix for 16x16 for comparison/example. Martin [1] https://www.highlandgear.com/catalog/images/LEUPOLD%208X42%20MESA% 20BINOCULARS.jpg attachment: system-search16.svg signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Revamped system-search icons set
On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 13:25 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Martin Sourada a écrit : Yeah, that indeed is strange, I noticed it on first look. And yes, I know there exist such models of binoculars, only I thought the ones with bigger objective part *might* be better ;-) I will do them later. As for the properly aligned icons, where can I find them? Those on your fedorapeople still suffer from the issue (as can be seen in the image [1] you referenced). Also I noticed, you might use more subtle shadow, perhaps add some more blur to it and it will be OK. They are the same file if you notice the date of modification. Yeah, I noticed that (I actually examined the date a lot, because of my doubts) but the blurriness is still there, though perhaps to a smaller extent than the originals (I didn't downloaded them so I cannot compare). Try to directly compare the SVG I attached in my first reply to that created by you. You should see the difference, if not, then export both to PNG and zoom the PNG in gimp, it should reveal the difference. In short, if you display the pixel grid in inkscape (i.e. let it show default rectangular grid), all lines of the icon should be *between* the grid lines and they *should not* cross them. If they cross them, then they are rendered on two pixels instead of one, which creates the blurry effect. I actually tend to make the lines in icon even thinner (0.75 px) which a) makes it easier to fit in between the grid lines and b) makes the final icon look a little more subtle, while keeping the crispness. Inkscape is actually going in way here a bit, since when you display grid, it automatically attaches everything to grid lines (unless you turn that off), which works great for objects with fills only, but bad for lines with odd (number) thickness... Sorry about being so persistent, but I feel obliged to point the problem I see out... I'll maybe add common mistakes page to our wiki which will cover this issue tomorrow (only this issue for now, because I don't have much spare time recently), or maybe even today if time permits... If you don't mind, I'll use this binocular icon as an example. Luya Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Revamped system-search icons set
On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 13:57 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Feel free to do so. Luya Ok, finished [1]. Check it out. Comments welcome :) Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines/CommonMistakes signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Quicklaunch mockuo
On Tue, 2008-06-03 at 01:03 +0300, Pavel Shevchuk wrote: I use this most of the time. Create spare panel, put shortcuts on it, set icon size to huge and make panel autohide. I use semi-transparent panel 32 px height for that purpose without auto-hide. It actually looks quite good and serves right for the quick-launch purpose. I don't need to wait until it appears, just click one the icon and it's lunched... For my current setting (I only slightly alter the applications in quick-launch over time) take a look e.g. at my fedorapeople page [1]. I find the layout I've chosen quite effective and nice, after all it's became like that after many iterations made with the sole purpose to improve my experience with gnome ;-) So as you (Mark) suggest the idea of new quick launch a don't find any advantages over my current set-up and I think it sort of beats the purpose of quick launch... I could as well add a drawer to panel and have all the quick launch icons hidden there and it would serve the purpose just as well and would be even quicker (even though it would require one mouse click more) to use... But that's just mine personal opinion, don't heed it if you don't like it ;-) Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/nodoka/notify/preview/Screenshot.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Quicklaunch mockuo
On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 23:14 +0200, Mark wrote: Hey, Hosted it here: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=82467 This mockup shows my idea of a quicklaunch. With today\\\'s quicklaunch you have several icons always in your screen while you probably just use a few of them and and wouldn't mind them being gone when you don't usThis mockup shows my idea of a quicklaunch. With today's quicklaunch you have several icons always in your screen while you probably just use a few of them and and wouldn't mind them being gone when you don't use it. What you see. My idea here is that when you move your mouse to the lower left corner of your screen that you will get this popup cloud which will show you the available quicklaunch applications and will vanish once you move your mouse out of the popup area. Is this possible to make? Deffinately yes! In compiz fusion you can push your mouse to the upper right corner that will give you a alternative ALT + TAB so that idea can be used for the lower left as well. This popup dialog can probably be made in pure GTK+ only but then won\\\'t have the black drop down shadow (obviously). Why in the lower left corner? Well, somehow whenever i want to start a application from the quicklaunch applet i tend to go to the lower left corner for whatever reason.. so it's probably intuitive (atleast for me) to go to the lowerleft corner if you want to start an application quickly. So what do you think of this mockup?e it. What you see. My idea here is that when you move your mouse to the lower left corner of your screen that you will get this popup cloud which will show you the available quicklaunch applications and will vanish once you move your mouse out of the popup area. Is this possible to make? Definitely yes! In compiz fusion you can push your mouse to the upper right corner that will give you a alternative ALT + TAB so that idea can be used for the lower left as well. This popup dialog can probably be made in pure GTK+ only but then won't have the black drop down shadow (obviously). Why in the lower left corner? Well, somehow whenever i want to start a application from the quicklaunch applet i tend to go to the lower left corner for whatever reason.. so it's probably intuitive (atleast for me) to go to the lowerleft corner if you want to start an application quickly. So what do you think of this mockup? I cannot help but to ask, was there some fishy (unintentional) copypaste done here? There is a lot of text written twice and I find it rather hard to follow, though with some effort I can get what you are trying to say ;-) Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo battery icons
On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 07:31 -0400, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: Echo's battery and ups icons are not clear enough. The battery level (at least at full) is hard to distinguish at small sizes. I've attached examples of both so you can see. Personally I think that the color in the battery needs to be brighter, the shading on the battery itself needs to be reduced (or even eliminated), and the battery in the ups icons needs to be much larger. Battery is one of the original icons from Diana that needs rework. As it is now, it violates the guidelines and the usability is also bad. However, it's not currently considered to be high priority one, but anyone is welcome to rework the battery set (it should be fairly easy, but it's a LOT of work). Thanks, Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Mist and gnome-icon-theme plans for GNOME 2.24/Fedora 10
On Mon, 2008-05-19 at 21:43 +0200, Andreas Nilsson wrote: Fewer and fewer icons in applications are actually hardcoded, as they need to work with HighContrast, even though there are still some who needs to be fixed. See Known Applications on http://live.gnome.org/ThemableAppSpecificIcons With my upstream hat on, I can say that we're really happy for all the help we can get in this area. Both with icons and code for apps to not hardcode their icons. Firefox and Openoffice are of course exceptions, as they rely heavily on their own theming infrastructure, even though we did a lot of work on using GTK+ stock items in as many places as possible in Firefox3. - Andreas That's great. We make sure that when we experience such an issue, we'll help as much as possible to solve it. As a side note, I noticed gnome-power-manager is listed among those that work well, and last time I checked, it used gpm-primary-xyz.png naming scheme for the battery indication icons. I think, in regard to other power managers, if there are any, it would make sense to at least remove the gpm part; and as a matter of fact, two of these battery states are already listed in the icon-naming-specs: battery-caution The icon used when the battery is below 40%. battery-low The icon used when the battery is below 20%. I think it would make sense to use those instead of gpm-primary-020 and gpm-primary-040 and extend it to these as well: battery-emptyThe icon used when the battery is (nearly) empty. battery-medium The icon used when the battery is bellow 60%. battery-high The icon used when the battery is bellow 80%. battery-full The icon used when the battery is bellow 100%. Also, the same names with -charging suffix for batteries that are charging and perhaps as an extra icons same names with ups-, phone- or whatever-other-device-with-battery- prefix... Any thoughts on this? Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Mist and gnome-icon-theme plans for GNOME 2.24/Fedora 10
On Sun, 2008-05-18 at 14:31 +0200, Andreas Nilsson wrote: What are the outstanding issues with Mist/gnome-icon-theme that makes it a target for replacement? The application coverage is pretty good (full coverage in key applications such as Firefox, Rhythmbox, Pidgin, Gimp, OpenOffice etc.) and looks good together with the rest of the Fedora desktop elements. The development is largely done upstream in GNOME (bugzilla and IRC mostly), so therefore the development might seem a bit silent to the Fedora community. Let me know if there is any way I can improve that. - Andreas None, there just seems to be people like me or Luya who thinks having our own icon set would be good to have in Fedora and are willing to work on it. And due to the work with upstream nature of Fedora it could also help to pave way for other icon theme developers (we won't patch applications to hardcode Echo icons instead of their own, rather work with the devs to fix their applications so they would use icons from selected icon theme, if available). I believe in this area it is desired to join forces with Mist/gnome-icon-theme/Tango/Oxygen developers :) Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Icons usage in the System - Administration menu
Hi, recently we discussed with andreasn on irc some of the System - Administration menu entries and agreed that some them can use icons listed in the icon naming specs [1]. Because we both didn't have time to discuss long enough, I went ahead, analysed the current usage and created a wiki page [2] for tracking our progress. If we standardise the icon names usage here, many icon themes will benefit from it, currently it's the only menu that contains almost only bluecurve icons, even if other icon themes are used, and we cannot expect icon developers to take care of all different distribution configuration tools (sometimes they even cannot due to buggy way of referencing icons in desktop files of some system-config tools), so I suggest to use more generic names, that could be used a) across different desktops b) across different linux distributions. Suggestions, discussion welcome either here or on #fedora-art :) Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Icons/Names/SystemAdministration signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Mist and gnome-icon-theme plans for GNOME 2.24/Fedora 10
On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 15:23 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Andreas Nilsson wrote: • King Size - Even though 48x48 px canvas currently works well on the desktop for most people, there is a tendency to move towards higher resolution screens. There are also emerging projects such as GnomeDO and Elisa that require larger sized icons. Therefore we recently started experimenting with Large sized (256x256) icons for the most common icons. Lapo Calamandrei and Jakub Steiner will be taking care of the bits in gnome-icon-theme and I'll be fixing the ones in Mist. Help is greatly needed in this area. This raises an interesting question about the default icon set in Fedora 10. Lately Echo development gained some momentum, so maybe we should put our collective asses at work and come with a plan: try to get Echo as default in F10, so focus on it or we will rely again on Mist and help with those large sized icons (certainly, people can work on both, all is about the focus). Well, some of the issues Andreas mentioned are same for Echo as for gnome-icon-theme, so the Echo devs can help with it as well. What I have on mind is especially correct usage of icons as per icon naming specs. Also would be nice if we could fix applications to use generic icons instead of their own more, so that choosing different than gnome-icon-theme will not result in inconsistent looking desktop, e.g. pidgin, gajim, empathy could use emotes from the icon themes instead of their own, etc. I noticed many of the app specific icons are handled by the gnome-icon-theme people as well, so if we could move as much icons as possible from app specific places to /usr/share/icons/hicolor and fix apps to look up for them in the traditional icon theme places it would greatly help other icon theme developers. As for me, I hope we can get Echo in for Fedora 10. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] drive-* icons DRAFT 16x16
On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 17:18 -0400, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: I suggest to check the document-save* icons in action category. They might need some tweaking but that should help you. I did a quick search and didn't find SVG source for the 16x16 icon (at first I wanted to reuse it with some tweaking) :-/ The one at git is the old one with a floppy... The sources need some update, I've already uploaded all SVGs I had at my hdd, but I didn't keep everything :-/ Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo Icon Theme Status Report
On Sun, 2008-05-11 at 18:58 +, Kevin Kofler wrote: Martin Sourada martin.sourada at gmail.com writes: Because it's icon theme? Really, it's listed in the icon naming specification [1], it's possible low-barrier entry for new contributors and I can imagine also other uses apart from desktop. What is the reason behind removing them from kdebase? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Languages#head-2ae52dbef2515e18d66fba220112c712c9d2eb14 In particular, the flag used by a certain Asian island with Taipei as their capital was found to be a problem. Now I'm all for lifting the ban on flags, I think Fedora can't drop everything which is banned in some country or we won't have anything left to ship at all, however I want it lifted for everyone! It doesn't make sense that kdebase can't ship flags and echo-icon-theme will ship the exact same flags! That said, I suspect this list isn't the right place to get it seen by the right people. Kevin Kofler Aah, I see the issue now. That's just annoying, I understand very well, that using flags for languages is a bad idea, but being unable to use them for countries themselves is really annoying (I can see it might be useful especially for local fedora websites) :-/ But yeah, makes sense to ban for all or allow for all... Martin PS: me thinks the proper place for this topic would be fedora-legal, but as long as no-one creates them (and the main contributors will not in the near future, because we have icons with much higher priority that need to be fixed/created) it is a non-issue in echo, dunno how on your side... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] drive-* icons DRAFT
On Sun, 2008-05-11 at 23:37 +0100, Ben Arnold wrote: I can see where they are coming from - but I think in context and with details (i.e. the icon could be with the text Filesystem, 20GB Hard Disk etc.) then it would be down to common sense. It is worth changing though,just to be safe. I think if it were inset and had a needle, it wouldn't be camera-like? ./b Yup, the inset helps (see the attachment). I am not exactly sure what do you have on mind when speaking about needle... Removing the surface and showing the inwards, or adding some sort of stand support? Thanks, Martin attachment: drive-harddisk48.pngattachment: drive-harddisk48.svg signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] drive-* icons DRAFT
On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 02:15 +0300, Pavel Shevchuk wrote: Now i can clearly see lens =) I wonder... Where on Earth did you see such a camera? Even the hardest I try I fail to see camera there :-/ (even images.google search showed nothing like this design...) Showing plates and reader head inside is good idea Probably not, it's not what user sees when he looks on his real harddisk. Btw. Does adding screws and inverting the central-part gradient help a bit? Martin attachment: drive-harddisk48.pngattachment: drive-harddisk48.svg signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] drive-* icons DRAFT
On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 01:26 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 02:15 +0300, Pavel Shevchuk wrote: Now i can clearly see lens =) I wonder... Where on Earth did you see such a camera? Even the hardest I try I fail to see camera there :-/ (even images.google search showed nothing like this design...) Showing plates and reader head inside is good idea Probably not, it's not what user sees when he looks on his real harddisk. Btw. Does adding screws and inverting the central-part gradient help a bit? Martin And another two tries, one using Ben's suggestion to remove the lens-like thing... Martin attachment: drive-harddisk48.pngattachment: drive-harddisk48.svgattachment: drive-harddisk48a.pngattachment: drive-harddisk48a.svg signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] drive-* icons DRAFT
On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 03:06 +0300, Pavel Shevchuk wrote: Newer is nicer I think I'll go with this one: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-May/pnguGnExdRnNC.png Are you OK with it (I hope it does not look like camera now =)? More work probably tomorrow :-) Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Echo Icon Theme Status Report
Hi all! Recently we've been doing some rather administrative changes in the echo icon theme. Here's the list of the most important changes in the past few weeks: For Users - We've updated few new icons: go-*, media-*, computer and media-optical. Feedback on those is of course welcome, they will be available for yum users when we release 0.3.2 (take a look at [1] to see what needs to be done). For the impatient, I'll start (probably today or tomorrow) making regular git snapshots in rawhide (F-10). These will be created from the development branch where we recently switched to Autotools and icon-naming-utils, so we'll need to check whether there are any regressions. If you wish to track the icon creation and our progress, you can look at the status page [2] or our assorted ToDo [3] or just watch the roadmap [1]. With the transition to Autotools we also added various doc files and I am wondering what you'd like to see in the Readme file. Installation steps? Brief description? Anything other? Feel free to suggest your ideas here! For Developers -- We've changed the git repo layout [4] to better fit our needs, so get used to it. The folder names are self-explanatory. If you are unsure whether icon belongs to base or extras, check if the icon theme works good without it as well (i.e. if there are fall-backs to already existing echo icon). If so then it goes to extras. We've recently switched to Autotools in the unstable branch which leads to some changes in how symlinks and icons are maintained. When you add a icon, you need to list it in Makefile.am as well (in the same folder you have put the icon into) and if you need additional symlinks (not those that are created by the icon-naming-utils) you need edit the install-data-local rule of the Makefile.am. For example how these things are done, look at e.g. this one [5]. We are icon theme and we need to keep the non-art code low so I decided to include in git only those files that cannot be regenerated. So if you want to build the theme, you'll need to 'autoreconf --install' in /base folder first. To clean the tree before git commit (if you have been autoreconf-ing or configure-ing or make-ing) run make maintainer-clean. Backup file created by gedit needs to be removed by hand, as well as distribution package if any. When do you want to create a distribution package, you just need to run make dist, or if the package is meant for official distribution, run make distcheck to also see if everything is OK. We use git branches function, currently there are two branches - master (which is where the latest development takes place and where the Autotools were introduced) and 0.3.x [6] which is the current stable branch, which still holds the old way of doing things (it's just continuation of the 0.3.1 release, only with extra icons split to /extras folder). In order to sync with all branches you'll need your .git/config file look like this: [core] repositoryformatversion = 0 filemode = true bare = false logallrefupdates = true [remote origin] url = ssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git/echo-icon-theme fetch = +refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/* [branch master] remote = origin merge = refs/heads/master [branch 0.3.x] remote = origin merge = refs/heads/0.3.x You'll probably need to manually create the 0.3.x branch in your local repo after you git clone ssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git/echo-icon-theme. One of the easiest way to do it is just opening 'git gui', go to Repository - Visualise All Branch History, find /remotes/origin/0.3.x, right-click on the commit that is labelled with it and hit 'Create new branch'. Alternative way would be via command line, but this is IMHO easier to learn and remeber ;-) When pushing to fh.o, in order to push all branches (supposing you don't have any local/private branches that you don't want to push to fh.o), just add --all to you command, e.g. git push origin --all Feedback welcome, Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/roadmap [2] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus [3] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo/GnomeMenus [4] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=echo-icon-theme;a=summary [5] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=base/22x22/apps/Makefile.am;hb=HEAD [6] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=echo-icon-theme;a=shortlog;h=0.3.x signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo Icon Theme Status Report
On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 12:15 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: For the impatient, I'll start (probably today or tomorrow) making regular git snapshots in rawhide (F-10). These will be created from the development branch where we recently switched to Autotools and icon-naming-utils, so we'll need to check whether there are any regressions. And here's the first promised package: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=48625 It is build for F10, but as it's content-only package it should work flawlessly on older Fedoras as well. Be sure to let us know about regressions, if any :) Enjoy the icons, Martin PS: I updated a little the Echo Icon Theme Feature Page[1], I think we should finish it and officially propose Echo Icon Theme for F10. It's still long way to run, but we should be (finally!) able to make it in time :) [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/EchoIconTheme signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A little echo love
On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 18:04 -0400, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Thank you, Jon, for the support. Jon, you have my thanks as well :-) I'm glad you like it! ;-) Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Reworked media-optical icon
On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 07:58 +0200, Andreas Nilsson wrote: Hi Martyn! Hi Andreas! Is there a sane user case for when you need to use these labels? The only one I can think of is I have both a Blueray and a HDDVD player on my machine. I inserted both yesterday and they are both movie X, now I can't tell them apart. Not a very common situation though. I personally never found labels like these helping since I only use one disc media at a time and with different titles. Instead they tend make things look more busy, especially at the smaller sizes. - Andreas That's one of the reasons it is not differentiated in 16x16. At bigger sizes one of the reasons might be (re)writeable media - having although you most likely know what media you have put in your drive, I've already met people who thought they were using CD while it was a DVD... Also, in the isometric perspective the text helps (subjectively) to define the perspective. Also, for some reason I don't know, upstream default (gnome icon theme) does that distinction as well. Do you think those reasons are enough? Martin PS: I am Martin, not Martyn ;-) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Reworked media-optical icon
On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 17:18 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: That is very much the downside of technology. Blue-ray is relatively new to be recognized. It will be a matter of time before it will be become common usage. Perhaps using a colour close to Blue-ray logo from a variation of Echo palette will do the trick. OK, I coloured the Blu-ray one and changed the text from Blu-Ray to Blu-ray. I still think though that the colour is not a very good idea. Any further comments? Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/ attachment: media-optical-bd22.pngattachment: media-optical-bd32.pngattachment: media-optical-bd48.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Reworked media-optical icon
On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 13:29 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: 2008/5/5 Martin Sourada [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * Using text for differentiating between various media has its pros and cons: - it helps defining the perspective - it is easier to differentiate, because the texts are different as a whole, not only in the letters - on the other side, it is blurry and hard to read in smaller sizes, but due to the differences still good enough to recognise Now the question is if we should use a plain typeface or the logo. IMHO plain text, and the plainer the better (more legible). The typeface is too complex (and usually trademarked) for small sizes, look at e.g. the Blu-ray: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/14/Blu-ray_Disc.svg * Using colour for differentiating between various media is probably not the best choice, because it does not help at all to colour blind people and we should avoid icons that are hard to recognise to visually impaired people How about having both text and color? This combination will benefit colour blind people while other can differentiate between DVD and Blueray. Well, differentiating is hardest between Blu-ray and HD DVD (which has more or less the same length), but thanks to HD DVD being capitalised while Blu-ray is not, it's IMHO enough difference. But yea, the colour might help, but I am not sure if I like it enough to use it :-) Btw. seeing the typeface, it seems like I have a few mistakes there... I should use Blu-ray instead of Blu-Ray and HD DVD instead of HDDVD, I'll fix it tomorrow. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Reworked media-optical icon
On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 14:40 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Well, differentiating is hardest between Blu-ray and HD DVD (which has more or less the same length), but thanks to HD DVD being capitalised while Blu-ray is not, it's IMHO enough difference. But yea, the colour might help, but I am not sure if I like it enough to use it :-) Icons are meant to be symbolic =) Speaking of which... The only media which I have associated a colour with is Blu-ray. So perhaps while the colours help differentiating between the media, it does not help to recognise which one is it but Blu-ray... Perhaps I could use different colour only for the Blu-ray media, but then it would be a little inconsistent... Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Reworked media-optical icon
I've added the rest of the sizes for the various media types for try 1 [1]. IMHO it looks good and the text subjectively helps defining the perspective. I also added a screen-shot [2] featuring some of it's uses in real world :) And one additional explanation why I decided to head this way: * DVDs, CDs, etc. have two sides, one of which is reflective. This side have various colour depending on used technology and have dispersive characteristics, which looks awesome in some cases (it creates a rainbow, various highlights, etc.). I think this is too complex and distracting for an icon. The other side is label - there can be printed images, light-scribed images, white printable surface, etc. It's quite usual in recent writeable media to utilise the white printable surface, which is clean and simple, and IMHO very good to use in an icon. * Using text for differentiating between various media has its pros and cons: - it helps defining the perspective - it is easier to differentiate, because the texts are different as a whole, not only in the letters - on the other side, it is blurry and hard to read in smaller sizes, but due to the differences still good enough to recognise - cannot be used for 16x16 icons * Using colour for differentiating between various media is probably not the best choice, because it does not help at all to colour blind people and we should avoid icons that are hard to recognise to visually impaired people * 16x16 is too small to contain text, and in gnome icon theme it also does not differentiate between various media types, so I decided to follow their example and make no difference in this size * The design IMHO fits nicely with the rest of the Echo icons What do you think? Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/ [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Screenshot-DVD.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Additional icons for system-search
On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 00:24 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: The shadow has been added and missing icons are included as well. Comment welcome. Ref: http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/actions/ Luya Looking good. Just few comments: * the shadow might be more blurry/transparent * please add semitransparent glass (or not transparent at all), the fully transparent one does not work very good from usability POV * I didn't checked sources yet, but from PNGs it seems the perspective is not correct * The icon might need some editions in smaller sizes to work better against dark backgrounds... Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[Echo] Reworked media-optical icon
Hi,
I've just finished reworking the media-optical icon to follow the
guidelines and to have all the necessary sizes. There remains one simple
question to answer (apart from approval from you ;-) - how we will make
the derivations: media-optical-{cd,dvd,bd,hddvd}? Just add the text (CD,
DVD, BLU-RAY, HD DVD)? Use label with the text? Use different colours?
Any suggestions? I'd prefer one of the text variants, since it's clear
what the text says (while different colours might cause confusion).
Also, there is an alternative that we just symlink all those to
media-optical...
Comments welcome,
Martin
References:
http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/
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[Echo] new computer icon FINAL
On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 03:44 -0400, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: The complete desktop set works in large size for the installer in Fedora 10. The computer without the tower fits perfectly. Make sure to widen the keyboard in 16x16 icon to avoid confusion with the single monitor. It would still need more detail to the keyboard to be added, but I'll keep it for later reuse. The complete set is done, see my fp page [1]. Any further comments? Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[Echo] new computer icon draft
Hi, I've just finished a draft of a reworked computer icon. I attach 48x48 PNG version, the rest is at my fedorapeople page [1]. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/ attachment: computer48.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 13:30 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: I've just finished a draft of a reworked computer icon. I attach 48x48 PNG version, the rest is at my fedorapeople page [1]. Comments welcome, Maybe the computer could be smaller (small form factor?) Hm... smaller computer? It might work. Perhaps it would make the icon better recognizable in smaller sizes... but my comment is about something else: on that page you have also an internet-web-browser icon, which is just a globe. Isn't that a bit too simplistic? Does a globe by itself represent the web browsing metaphor? Well, usually there's a mouse-arrow or mouse included as well (like there [1]), I am not sure if such metaphor would work nicely for Echo too. But one never knows until he tries ;-) References: [1] http://svn.gnome.org/svn/gnome-icon-theme/trunk/22x22/apps/web-browser.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 13:24 +0300, Pavel Shevchuk wrote: Looks nice imo. Screen color could be updated every release to reflect color of default wallpaper (Apple does this) =) Yup, it could, it's not that much of a work to add simple version of the desktop wallpaper there. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 17:57 +0200, Mark wrote: 2008/4/23 María Leandro [EMAIL PROTECTED]: think that's cool... but I dont think that the monitor perspective is correctly formed. I was thinking the exact same! The monitor is definitely out of perspective.. but nice to see a wide-screen in the computer icon ^_^ It's definitely NOT out of perspective but it's definitely strange. Mathematically speaking, the points and the shape follows the isometric perspective correctly, however to the eye of a beholder, who is used to real word perspective, it looks odd. Also this suggestion: 2008/4/23 Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maybe the computer could be smaller (small form factor?) That would definitely be a unique icon and i think will look better as well. but my comment is about something else: on that page you have also an internet-web-browser icon, which is just a globe. Isn't that a bit too simplistic? Does a globe by itself represent the web browsing metaphor? Usually it's a globe icon or a globe with lines going over it. You mistake category-internet for internet-web-browser there. It's two different things. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 12:01 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: Hi, I've just finished a draft of a reworked computer icon. I attach 48x48 PNG version, the rest is at my fedorapeople page [1]. Comments welcome, The problems I had always had with that icon are still there: 1) the monitor looks like it needs V8; it looks like it's tipping over backwards It's hard to get rid of this feeling in the isometric perspective. No matter how you try it always ends up looking like strange (I believe it's because human brain is not used to isometric perspective and interprets it wrongly in these cases), unless you place the monitor upwards (which I tried to avoid). 2) I have never seen, in real life, a monitor placed that way up against a computer tower Yeah, I've seen such set-ups but they are really rare, alas the place is finite and if we go with monitor PLUS computer tower there doesn't to be any better way of placing those. ~m Anyway, I'll try to poke with the design a little more tonight and see what I can do about these two issues. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 13:26 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: 2) I have never seen, in real life, a monitor placed that way up against a computer tower Yeah, I've seen such set-ups but they are really rare, alas the place is finite and if we go with monitor PLUS computer tower there doesn't to be any better way of placing those. Sure there is, look at how it's done in bluecurve... I see, they use really small computer... Yeah, that might work, but at smaller sizes the computer looks more like a smudge than PC... Perhaps I'll try gnome approach (monitor + keyboard). Stay tuned. ~m Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
Following some of your suggestions I created 4 variations [1]. Firstly, I added some depth to the monitor, so that it looks more massive, secondly I made the monitor upright (I noticed my room-mate has a similarly positioned LCD monitor). And now to the variations: a) trying smaller computer - easier to recognise the shape, but it feels like something is missing... b) normal-sized computer, slightly changed position - better defined shape than the original, looks better than with the smaller computer c) use keyboard+monitor - this one is my favourite, also has an advantage of sharing the same metaphor with the same icon from gnome icon theme [2] d) following Mo's suggestions - similar positioning like in bluecurve, only with echo perspective I attach PNGs, SVGs are at fedorapeople [1]. I've created only 48x48 (time constraints). I will create other sizes when we decide which one to use. Thanks for your comments, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/ [2] http://people.freedesktop.org/~jimmac/icons/ PS: you might notice that I used wide-screen monitor and wireless keyboard... you know... first, it looks IMHO better and second, fedora is hi-tech, isn't it? :-D signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 14:02 +, =?ISO-8859-1?Q? Mar=EDa_Leandro _ wrote: LOL... I DO have my monitor places against the tower :$ and I think that you should keep the monitor... only fix the perspective.. the tower AND the monitor are part of the computer :D Not necessarily, I believe some MACs have the HW integrated in the monitor, so no tower is needed :-D Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Nodoka notification theme 0.1.0 available
Hi, today I've released first public release of the notification theme. Since package review [1] takes some time (if you are interested in reviewing, you are welcome to review the package) I've prepared i386 F9 package [2] (which would probably work on F8 as well, but I didn't tested it). You can look at the details (with screen shots) at wiki [3]. Installation instructions are also there :) Happy testing, Martin References: [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443303 [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/packages/SRPMS/notification-daemon-engine-nodoka-0.1.0-1.fc9.src.rpm [3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/NodokaTheme/NotificationTheme signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Nodoka notification theme 0.1.0 available
On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 22:05 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/packages/SRPMS/notification-daemon-engine-nodoka-0.1.0-1.fc9.src.rpm Oops, mixed the dirs :D Should have been: http://mso.fedorapeople.org/packages/RPMS/i386/notification-daemon-engine-nodoka-0.1.0-1.fc9.i386.rpm Thanks, Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: How do you edit .SVG?
On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 14:32 -0700, Grady Laksmono wrote: Hi all~ I'm not an artists, just wondering on what software do you use to edit .SVG files..? I tried using GIMPP, but it imports it and doesn't give the appropriate layers.. :-/ Thanks, Grady Inkscape is the tool of choice ;-) Pretty straightforward to use. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Current Echo ToDo
I've just finished prioritizing the Icons in the To Do list for Gnome
Menus [1]. It gives us about 50 icons that need to be created/edited
before 0.4 release. Here's an list of them with short commentary:
* accessories-archive-manager - official icon is blurry, probably need
to think about better metaphor
* accessories-text-editor - need to fix SVG and add missing sizes
* audio-input-microphone - need to fix SVG, add missing sizes, add
gnome-grecord symlink
* battery-* - need to fix SVGs, add missing sizes, add symlink
gnome-power-manager - battery-charged
* computer - need to fix SVG, add missing sizes
* dialog-password - need to fix SVG, add missing sizes
* drive-harddisk - need to fix SVG, add missing sizes
* drive-optical - need to fix SVG, add missing sizes
* graphics-image-viewer - need brand new icon
* input-keyboard - need to correct the symlinks to input-keyboard and
preferences-destkop-keyboard, need to create missing sizes, perhaps some
improvement to SVG
* input-mouse - need to fix SVG, add missing sizes
* media-optical-{cd,dvd} - need to fix SVG, add missing sizes
* multimedia-movie-player - need brand new icon
* multimedia-music-player - need brand new icon
* network-* - need to correct SVG, add missing sizes, possible to base
of preferences-system-network
* office-mail-calendar - need brand new icon, or can we use only
office-mail?
* office-spreadsheet - need brand new icon
* office-word-processor - need brand new icon
* preferences-desktop-accessibility - need to fix SVG, add missing sizes
* preferences-desktop-applications (gnome-settings-default-applications)
- need brand new icon
* preferences-desktop-bluetooth - need to add symlink, shadow and sizes
* preferences-desktop-effects - need brand new icon
* preferences-desktop-input - need brand new icon
* preferences-desktop-locale - need brand new icon
* preferences-desktop-screensaver - need to fix SVG, add missing sizes
* preferences-destkop-menu - need brand new icon
* preferences-dictionary-editor - need brand new icon
* preferences-system-authentication - need brand new icon
* preferences-system-bootloader - need brand new icon
* preferences-system-date - need brand new icon
* preferences-system-firewall - need brand new icon, consider wall on
fire for metaphor
* preferences-system-security - need brand new icon
* preferences-system-users - need brand new icon
* preferences-volumes-logical - need brand new icon
* printer - need to fix SVG, add missing sizes
* security-high - need brand new icon
* software-update-available - need to fix guidelines violation, add
missing sizes
* system-file-manager - need brand new icon
* system-lock-screen - need to fix SVG, add missing sizes
* system-log-out - need to fix SVG, add missing sizes
* system-network-control - need brand new icon, consider using
preferences-system-network
* system-search - need to fix SVG, add missing sizes
* system-software-update - need to fix guidelines violation, add missing
sizes
* utilities-disk-manager - need brand new icon
* utilities-logviewer - need brand new icon
* utilities-security-troubleshoot - need brand new icon
* video-display - need brand new icon, possible to use monitor from
preferences-system-network
Should you be interested in creating/fixing any of the above mentioned
icons add your name and the icon name to our progress tracking page [2],
if you don't have wiki edit rights there, ask me or Luya to do it for
you.
Here are some tips for the creating:
1. get to know the guidelines [3]
2. if possible use same/similar metaphors that are already used in other
icon themes, especially gnome and tango [4]
3. try not to use blur in inkscape, save for shadow. First the rendering
is slow, second the rendering by native gnome libraries is buggy
4. when you are creating 22x22 and 24x24 icons, use 22x22 for the 24x24
as well, just add a 1px wide transparent border. Saves a lot of work.
5. Check how the icons looks in 1:1 zoom, to see whether it sharp. In
order to be sharp it needs to fit into pixel grid. Inkscape has a
helpful feature called Icon Preview located in the View menu which
helps to see the problematic places.
Once the icon is created post it here on the art list for consideration.
If it is accepted by me and Luya that means it is ready to be uploaded
to git, otherwise we usually add comments about what needs to be
improved.
Thanks,
Martin
References:
[1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo/GnomeMenus
[2] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo/InProgress
[3] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines
[4] http://people.freedesktop.org/~jimmac/icons/
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Re: Nodoka Notification Theme
Hi all, I've put together some working code of the nodoka notification theme. Here's a first screen shot of it in action: http://mso.fedorapeople.org/nodoka/notify/preview/notify-new.png The code is available at git: http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=nodoka;a=tree;f=notification-daemon-engine-nodoka;hb=HEAD To install and start using it I'll start publishing i386 rpms some time in the future, until then you need to do the following: git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/nodoka cd nodoka/notification-daemon-engine-nodoka ./autogen.sh ./configure --prefix=/usr make su make install exit Then you'll need to set gconf key /apps/notification-daemon/theme to nodoka. You can use for example gconf-editor to do that. Probably you'll need to restart the daemon (killall -9 notification-daemon), but maybe it's not necessary. What is missing? * countdown timer; if present, grey rectangle shows instead * arrow; if present the window is just bigger and positioned in top-left corner... If you happen to find another feature that's missing feel free to let me know about it (screen shot and steps how to make that feature used would help a lot). Please note that I am currently aiming at 0.1.0 release which is supposed to just work (and therefore need to support all the features notification-daemon supports) - design will be refined at 0.2.0, but I accept suggestions on that as well :) Comments welcome, Martin PS: I hope to get this into F10 as default notification theme, so once I release 0.1.0 I'll get it to rawhide and ask for opinions and testing on fedoraforum as well :) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Joining the Fedora Artwork Team
On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 19:07 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: As this Page says it: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork#Join I did make an icon for the system-config-* request. It's still a draft, and I know I had a CLA signed somewhere, but I can't find it. I also had a Fedora Account, but I forgot it. :) So can someone help me get up to speed with the Fedora Account system? Sorry, but I don't think I can help you if you don't remember the username for FAS. I guess you have two options: ask an admin or sign the CLA once more. I did some search on the FAS system, and I probably found your (Stojan's) account: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/view/stojance Martin ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: gnome splash and screensaver lock dialog
On Tue, 2008-04-15 at 08:36 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Tue, 2008-04-15 at 11:02 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I also think the lock screen dialog should look closer to the gdm look. ( as in the frame/look where the user choose his login account ) One of the things that the new gdm architecture should allow us to do (in theory, at least) is to _use_ the login screen for unlocking a locked session. Now, *that* would be great! We only need to make the gdm a little prettier. I myself think that it's a good idea to use plain gtk in there against standard background, but there's one thing that's kinda missing - window manager. The window in the dialog looks a little strange, because it does not have any borders and it's just plain rectangle. Rounded corners and simple border (note, that I mean border only - no window caption) wouldn't hurt IMHO. Generally, I dislike themed lock dialogue (but don't like the look of the unthemed one either), usually it gets a little too fancy and not much usable. I don't think themes are well fit for such dialogues... Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 9.0 CD/DVD
On Sun, 2008-04-13 at 11:21 +0200, Giacomo Succi wrote: I know that I disappear since the last release, but, as a lot of us know, the life is great troubles generator. Anyway. A new Fedora is coming and new Fedora's CD/DVD Artwork are needed. So I've create some new Artworks, as the previous one. At the moment they are in RFC phase, so go to http://succi.altervista.org/fedora/ and let's have a look. Please, feel free to comment/criticize my work!! Happy Fedoring!!! They look great! You might want to look at the DVD labels Nicu did some time ago: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2008/03/first-attempt-at-f9-sulphur-media.html Martin ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Nodoka Notification Theme [Re: Nodoka suggestions for Fedora 10]
And i have a nice update on the mockup. Changelog - bottom bar fully adjusted to fit the nodoka theme - notification balloon content is greadly adjusted with a real world scenario (asymetric thing not solved yet) - - Added close image in the balloon - - added orange bar (nice style and can be any colour) - - added a image of the updates (64x64 fits nicely there) - - played with font sized and bold - added the desktop image to the bottom bar (men that image just doesn't fit that style) - Changed the bottom bar buttons - - Made them a bit lighter - - Made the effects a little more glowy/glossy And you can see the changes in the image here: http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3089/fedora10mockupv02nf6.png To me it looks really nice now! Hope you think the same. Sorry for the really late answer, but I've not managed to get some spare time to take a closer look at it up until now. I'll focus only on the notification part (for now). First about your sketch. What I like: * Rounded corners, might be even more rounded * Soft gradients What I don't like * Stripe padded * Usage of not very fitting, IMHO, type of gradient in the stripe * Inner outline * Close button hardly visible, cursive-like * Padding too small for text Now why I waited with the answer so long. I've set up a wiki page for tracking the progress (both art and coding) of the notification theme and put my design on that as well. It's based of yours, yet it's different a lot. * I used warmer colours for the basic background, similar to that used in tooltips * I rounded the corners more * I use only one type of gradient, two different settings (one for fill, another for outline) * I used close icon (and all other icons) from the icon theme I have currently set (echo, with fall-back to gnome). The wiki page (with SVGs and PNGs) is there: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/NodokaTheme/NotifyDRAFT Comparison of the current notify and the sketch, as it looks on whole F9 desktop is there: http://mso.fedorapeople.org/nodoka/notify/preview/notify-orig.png http://mso.fedorapeople.org/nodoka/notify/preview/notify.png The *-orig-* images, save for the screen shot of whole desktop, are real screen shots, I used notify-send application to display them, all the rest is either collage or work from scratch. Comments welcome, Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[Echo Icons] ToDo transferred to hosted, need to prioritize; call for help
Hi, I've recently finished updating and transferring the ToDo/Menus [1] list to fedorahosted [2]. My plans are that we decide on priorities [3] for the icons and those with highest priority would be blocker for next major release (0.4). Why I am writing this here is mostly because of these reasons: 1. To keep you informed what's happening 2. To gather comments/suggestions concerning the new page 3. So that you can help with decision about the priorities And now to the next what I have in mind. We'd like to target the Echo icons for the F10 release, but there is still a lot of work to be done, and currently there are only two people (me and Luya) actively working on them which is too little. With recent growth of the art team I though there might be people interested with helping, or might know about such people. How you can help? 1. You can help with the managing stuff * Work on various wiki pages * Help with deciding schedules, tasks, policies, etc. 2. You can provide feedback * Do you know of an icon that is violating guidelines [4]? * Do you know of an icon that looks out of the way compared to others? * Do you think there is an information gap somewhere? If you answer yes to any of these questions feel free to share those concerns with us either here, on the art-list, or in echo's ticket system [5]. 3. You can help with icon creation. * Look at the ToDo lists [6] to see what needs to be done * Get familiar with the guidelines [4] * Submit your work on the art list for acceptance Thanks for your comments, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/EchoToDo/Menus [2] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo/GnomeMenus [3] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/ticket/16 [4] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines [5] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/newticket [6] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: The history of fedora
On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 17:29 +0430, Mola Pahnadayan wrote: Hi all Not finished work! http://molaora.com/index.php?photos/album/8/photo/39.html As usual from you, awesome! I can imagine, when it's finished, being part of Fedora 10 celebrations (if there'll be any, but I suppose there should be). I noticed that Fedora 1, 2 and 3 artwork is completely missing, is it available somewhere? Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Nodoka suggestions for Fedora 10
On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 17:01 +0200, Mark wrote: 2008/4/4, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm getting very little responses here to improve my mockup. is there just no interest for it? does fedora even want me to put time in this? So... i want to improve it further (assuming that's needed) so give the mockup some critics so that i can improve it! the motivation to continue with this isn't really high.. i need feedback on this one! And if i post it to the devel list i probably only get notices again that it belongs here (where not a lot of people reply). There's a lot of conversation going on in the art list lately, and most of us is focusing on the F9 artwork, so it's natural that you've got not much of a feedback. Besides, it DOES matter what YOU'd like to do. It's not that we don't care, but sometimes it isn't easy to come up with specific critics (especially if it's only mockups). I'll make sure I won't forget this thread and reply to you in this matter fully when I think it through more deeply, but right now I am focusing on getting the nodoka gtk engine 0.7.0 release done in time, so please be a little more patient. The best I could suggest you though right now is this: make a wiki page dedicated to the Notify design, and make a single thread clearly stating that it's only about the notification-daemon design. You'll need to gather some info, how can we do that (meaning the real theme) and even if you would be not able to do it yourself, it would help us to put all the info on the wiki. As for the design itself: when the real code is being done, there is still a plenty of room for improvement based on the usage experience, so do not feel obliged to come up with an awesome design from the start. And once again, I plan to make some sketches, based on your design, as well and will comment on the notify design when I am done with them :) Thanks, Martin PS: And remember that most of us, like you, are doing these things in our spare time, so if there isn't enough of that, we do not reply much to the stuff, or to everything, what goes on here, so do not feel disappointed by the lack of as much critics as you might like ;-) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: revised f9 wallpaper
On Sun, 2008-04-06 at 14:00 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Ian Weller wrote: On Sun, 6 Apr 2008, Máirín Duffy wrote: This is one of the ideas I've been working with - http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/0001.png Whoa. Almost looks like a UFO is abducting my taskbar. ;) Oh crap, I totally see that now too. :) This is a slightly different render of it, does it look less invasion-like? http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/from-below.7.png ~m Looks good! The only thing I miss there are the reflections... ;-) Only one thing bugs me, devel freeze is very near, we are way after the round 3 freeze... Are we going to make it in time? Oh, and to the UFO thing.. IMHO the rays feel like UFO, but it is not necessarily a bad thing :) So for this, if we are able to make it in time, +1 from me. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: revised f9 wallpaper
On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 01:19 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: Um, okay so that took way more than 45 minutes... sorry but I've been playing with it a lot and think it's getting better. I added some bubbles sparkles and mucked with the ripples such that they match the rest of the artwork a little better and look a little bit more natural. Here's the mock so far: And here's this graphic done out for 4 times of day: http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/f9-day-to-night/ (used some simple gimp manipulation - using the levels tool - to produce each variation) What do you think? ~m These are great, the only thing I don't like there are the star-shaped sparkles, it feels like they does not fit there... I'd stay with bubbles only. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Use syslinux theme for grub as well? [Fwd: live CD grub theme vs installed grub theme]
Hi, I just run by this message on the test list, and what is said there is true... The GRUB image looks a little strange (due to indexing we are limited a lot), while the syslinux one looks awesome and pretty good with indexing as well. So I thought, as is suggested in the message, that we should use the Syslinux indexed version for GRUB as well. Any thoughts? Martin ---BeginMessage--- Is there meant to be a difference between grub themes from the Live CD snapshots to what a user gets when its installed to disk? I see the 'fedora water rings' theme on the Live CD but on my installations I've got a blue theme with a small gold emblem in the lower right. Is the fedora water ring theme supposed to be the final theme? It looks much better than this other one. -- Andrew Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.lordmorgul.net gpg 0x8300BF29 fingerprint 071D FFE0 4CBC 13FC 7DEB 5BD5 5F89 8E1B 8300 BF29 revoked key 0xC99B1DF3 no longer used No one now has, and no one will ever again get, the big picture. - Daniel Geer -- fedora-test-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list ---End Message--- ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
F9 KDM [Re: [F10 theme proposal] Gears Round 1]
On Sat, 2008-04-05 at 15:55 +0300, Pavel Shevchuk wrote: We would be happy to have any piece of artwork that can be used to theme KDE. Right now we have problem with KDM, which needs proper backrgound image, and svgs posted in wiki can't be rendered properly by kdm's svg engine Then can you use PNGs? But, if you need to use SVGs I bet that opening them in Inkscape and resaving them as Plain SVGs would make the rendering by the kdm's SVG engine better. However, it uses a fair bit of advanced effects like blur, which takes quite long time to render, so I'd advice you to use PNGs instead. Btw. I might be able to do a sketch for KDM (real theme is a no-go for me, I don't have neither experience nor KDM) if you are interested, I just need to know, how much you are able to do :) Martin ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Fedora 9 Waves KDM mockup
Hi, as I promised, I sketched an idea for KDM. It's supposed to give the general idea, so I didn't bothered with proper sizes, and I am aware that on real desktop it will not be 640x480... It's a rather dark theme, based on slightly edited night wallpaper. To keep some consistency with F9 GDM, the settings panel is at the bottom; and vertically in the centre (optically), horizontally to the left (to keep some distance from the burning sulphur) is the face-browser plus login window. I hope it's still in time for someone to make the KDM theme :) I uploaded it to my fedorapeople page. http://mso.fedorapeople.org/waves/kdm.png http://mso.fedorapeople.org/waves/kdm.svg Thanks, Martin ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Fedora Gears Theme [was: Re: Fedora 10 theme ideas]
On Fri, 2008-04-04 at 13:08 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: Me too, but the pictures posted before by Mo and others inspired me to the idea of using gears as the main theme. Originally I thought it would look interesting if we did something like ink-painted gears on papyrus (or old looking paper), something that might look ancient but time-resisting. However, quick search on flickr showed some other interesting concepts: I played a bit with gears. Attached are two completely different implementations (there is still *a lot* of room remaining for further polishing) of the gear concept (loseless versions, sources available at http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/splash/). Great! The first one is more or less what I had in mind, but the second one is pretty too! Perhaps its about the right time to propose the Fedora Gears idea officially? Martin ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Nodoka suggestions for Fedora 10
On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 21:10 +0200, Mark wrote: Hey, i'm having some suggestions for nodoka in the next fedora version. My general idea for fedora is to have the themes polished in F10. Nodoka can do a lot to get that done. Oke for the first one. When you hover a button or anything that's nodoka controlled like the buttons: minimize, maximize and close. When you put your mouse on one of them the image behind it is instantly changing to the hover state (or something like it). My suggestion would be to make a effect of it. Fade out the old one and simultaneously fade in the new image so that you get some nice effects there. Also do this for every other thing that has another state when it's selected, hovered etc. AFAIK, metacity does not support it. Correct me if I'm wrong. It would possible to make these effects of these using Compiz' wm but I have no experience in this area and also compositing isn't currently working almost nowhere in rawhide (you know, intel is broken a little, and nvidia does not support the new Xorg yet). The second one is something i've requested before but never got in. Theme the taskbar! fully theme it, not just change the colour but really give it a theme. As far as i know this has never been done in fedora. I will try to make a mockup of it sometime soon. I've replied on this one to you privately, but for others here's what I think: it's not as easy said as done. Mostly because there are applets supposed to be on panel, as well as notification area. Many of these are still 'broken' and display wrong if you use them on panel with different background than just filled with one colour (non-transparent). Martin ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Nodoka suggestions for Fedora 10
On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 18:01 -0600, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: snip the new elements in their place. For example, I like to have the close and minimize buttons together at the upper left corner of the window, and the menu and maximize buttons on the right corner. The problem with the current implementation of the theme is that it locks the buttons to the right corner of the window and even though all effects are inherited when they are changed, the highlight around the buttons persists and is locked to the buttons on the right hand corner[1]. Maybe the first step would be to lock the highlight border to the properties of the buttons instead of a location in the title bar? (is this even possible in GTK? [or any other toolkit for that matter?]) It's Metacity not GTK we're talking about here. In rawhide this behaviour is already fixed. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=384031 The second one is something i've requested before but never got in. Theme the taskbar! fully theme it, not just change the colour but really give it a theme. As far as i know this has never been done in fedora. I will try to make a mockup of it sometime soon. This sounds VERY interesting indeed... It also opens all sorts of possibilities for themes... Like having both the lower and upper panes have different colors/combinations/highlights, etc. Make launcher icons stand out as buttons, give a glossy look (or not), etc. And have the lower panel (with the Show Desktop, Window List Recycle Bin and Desktop Pager applets) a completely different, but complementary look than that of the upper panel. Have the Window List applet have its own properties so that (as some people do) if a user deletes one of the panels (to reclaim desktop pace, for instance) and moves the Window List to the other panel, these properties are retained and what not. Launcher icons stand out the same way as icons and will remain this way. Don't overdo things... Some of these suggestions are also rather fit for desktop list than for art list (as we care about desing and they care about default desktop settings). Martin ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Nodoka suggestions for Fedora 10
On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 20:08 +0200, Mark wrote: Oke i made a mockup on the ones i intended to make. I've only made the bottom bar and the tooltip + a suggestion on the animation. Here it is: http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/6213/fedora10mockupdi2.png Critics? Comments? and most importand: is this possible in the current fedora? (bottom bar is but the tooltip?) Transparency does not work without compositing which is still broken... As for the desing... The panel is too dark and does not fit the bright Nodoka theme we use as default. Also uses glossy look, which is inconsistent with nodoka. The toolip looks nice, might use more roundness in the corners, personally I'd use same as is set for the GTK widgets. The gradient could be used more consistently with Nodoka but the way it is now is OK. I'd perhaps make the bubble-connector asymmetric the current one looks a little strange. Would be good if you sketched a real-world notification like Package blahblah has been updated, or You have new message in your Inbox with icon, buttons, timer and left stripe included to see how the final design would look like. Martin ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Nodoka suggestions for Fedora 10
On Fri, 2008-04-04 at 15:33 +0200, Mark wrote: You're right and wrong here. Right: - Compositing with Ati or Nvidia (anything except intel) isn't working It isn't working on intel either (in rawhide). Compiz freezes ui, metacity with compositing turned on breaks many things. I don't know any other compositing capable managers that work with gnome. Wrong: - the statement that compositing isn't working. Did you knew that KDE 4 uses the xorg composite extension? that means that compositing works on vesa as well! not fast but working. So compositing _can_ work if the creators of the notification deamon (and nodoka, you) invest some time to get it in then compositing is always working! which (to me) is worth the time.. but then again i'm not the person who is gonna break his head in implementing it. I will send in a bug report (RFE) for the notification-deamon. Not fast is not an option. Either working fast (and stable) or it is not acceptable as default. Also, AFAIK, whether the compositing is turned on or not depends on window manager (in our case metacity), not gtk or even theme engine. Would be good if you sketched a real-world notification like Package blahblah has been updated, or You have new message in your Inbox with icon, buttons, timer and left stripe included to see how the final design would look like. I can make that. However i probably won't include that timer thing because i'm still making this with the assumption that the balloon vanishes after 3 till 5 seconds so i see no point in making it visible how long you have till the balloon vanishes. and for that left stripe.. i will see how i make that fit in. Not all balloons are here for only 5 seconds. It's not unusual to have it on for about 15 or more seconds. Martin ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 10 theme ideas
On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 03:23 -0500, Michael Beckwith wrote: One thing I'm thinking of when I view these steampunk graphics, is that it may take a lot of attention to detail to pull this off. However, I'm new to this whole concept of steampunk so I may be wrong as well. Me too, but the pictures posted before by Mo and others inspired me to the idea of using gears as the main theme. Originally I thought it would look interesting if we did something like ink-painted gears on papyrus (or old looking paper), something that might look ancient but time-resisting. However, quick search on flickr showed some other interesting concepts: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_physics/218544601/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/noxdineen/221604402/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/1480378673/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hollymcp/511574107/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mhy-design/2014428310/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_physics/206657275/in/set-552769/ Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Fwd: Re: gdm login page lookfeel]
On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 13:52 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: We have nothing to do with it now... The new GDM AFAIK does not support skins, but is plain gtk plus some gnome bits like wallpaper... So these concerns should be discussed rather with gdm devs than fedora art people... There are a couple of things we can theme: - it has a logo, currently the Fedora logo is used (I believe the upstream vanilla version uses a computer icon); Yeah, though this is not the concern of the original complain... I am perfectly fine both with the Fedora logo and computer icon... - the GTK+ window can be customized with Glade, just like the themed screen unlocker. I always disliked the themed screen unlockers... plain gtk is just better in some cases... AFAIK, the GDM screen is expected to make use of a window compositor, so it may get transparency and shadows by default, but this is still work in progress. Compositor does not work everywhere, and will not for some time in the future, so I guess transparency and shadows are no go for F9 in default settings. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Fwd: Re: gdm login page lookfeel]
On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 11:23 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: Some concerns re: gdm login page lookfeel on the devel list. Maybe someone more up to speed can allay concerns? Frank We have nothing to do with it now... The new GDM AFAIK does not support skins, but is plain gtk plus some gnome bits like wallpaper... So these concerns should be discussed rather with gdm devs than fedora art people... Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 10 theme ideas
On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 12:57 +0800, Andy Fitzsimon wrote: G'day everyone, Congratulations of all the Fedora9 efforts I've seen. Shamefully my work and relocation to singapore kept me from contributing to the great things happening around Fedora. So onto Fedore 10 right ??? I was thinking of reviving or building upon the flying high concept from FC7 with some more artwork. for initial inspiration: http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyfitz/2366301782/ or something similar http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyfitz/tags/sky/ Nothing say infinite freedom like looking to the sky. What do you reckon? Andy Great. It's good to start this early with the theming, thus we'll have less problems in the future with time schedule :) Personally, out of the flicker images, I think this one is the best: http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyfitz/493114126/ It's more colourful that most of the others but still does show only sky (i.e. no buildings). Beautiful! Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
F10 Artwork and Release Name [was: Re: Fedora 10 theme ideas]
On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 10:40 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: Great. It's good to start this early with the theming, thus we'll have less problems in the future with time schedule :) I don't know... if we get again a release name in the middle of Round 2 and get the process influenced by that and start wondering about the usefulness of the first round... cc-ing devel-list Aaah, I forgot... Then, is it already decided when the F10 release name will be set? If we are going to match the artwork for F10 with it's release name, it would greatly help if the release name was determined really early in the process, so it would make IMHO sense (and would greatly help us, the art team) to start with the F10 naming process now and have a vote just about (or shortly after) the F9 release. What do you think? Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F10 Artwork and Release Name [was: Re: Fedora 10 theme ideas]
On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 14:01 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 10:40 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: I don't know... if we get again a release name in the middle of Round 2 and get the process influenced by that and start wondering about the usefulness of the first round... Aaah, I forgot... Then, is it already decided when the F10 release name will be set? If we are going to match the artwork for F10 with it's release name, it would greatly help if the release name was determined really early in the process, so it would make IMHO sense (and would greatly help us, the art team) to start with the F10 naming process now and have a vote just about (or shortly after) the F9 release. What do you think? Supposedly there was recently some talk about that - jump to 3) Painless Releases Meeting: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-March/msg00139.html I read this thread, but I fail to see if a decision has been made since then? Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Introduction
On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 18:25 -0400, dave slaughter wrote: First off I would like to thank Nicu Buculei for e-mailing me and inviting me to join after I submitted my app, so thank you Nicu. Now, I would like to introduce myself to the rest of the members, my name is Dave, and I am from just outside Boston Mass. in the United States. I have been using Linux for about 4-5 years now, and have been doing computer graphic design for as long as I have been using computers, so since the original apple II. I just enjoy doing artwork, be it wallpapers, web banners, GDM's (just started on making those), or anything else. I just started using Fedora again, after not using a Red Hat based system since Red Hat 6, been using mostly Debian base OS's, but I am very pleased with F8, very nice, clean distro. I would like to start work with the art team and try to get involved in making artwork for Fedora, be it (as I stated above) wallpapers, GDMs, or anything else that may be of use to the team, and would also like to be a part of something that I believe is of great value, and try to give back to the Fedora community in some way, as my programing skills leave something to be desired. I will stop here and keep this short as not to take of too much of all of time. So hello everybody, and I look forward to working with you all of on whatever projects may be ahead. Sincerely, Dave S. Hello Dave and welcome to the art team. I look forward to working with you as well. I don't know know how much you followed the happenings here in the past, so I'll shortly summarize some of the projects you might help with. * We are finalizing the artwork for F9 [1] and you perhaps noticed we started discussing about the artwork for F10 [2]. If you have any ideas, comments, work, etc. feel free to share them with us. * We are making the new Fedora icon theme, called Echo [3]. Sadly enough it is currently actively developed only by me and Luya Tshimbalanga and we don't have enough time to make fast progress. So any help is welcome here as well. * I am developing the Fedora default gtk engine/theme, Nodoka [4], which is currently reaching 0.7.0 stable version that will be included in F9 and I hope to start working on 0.8 branch after the release. If you have any suggestions (design, code, etc.) feel free to post them. There are also various smaller tasks like design service [5] or hackergotchi service [6]. Though this is not a complete list, I hope it gave you some insight as to what are we doing now. If you have any questions about the happenings, how can you help with the above (or other artwork) projects, or any other thing that concerns art team, feel free to ask :) Regards, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Waves/Round3Final [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes [3] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/ [4] https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka [5] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService [6] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/HackergotchiService signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Waves] Complete wallpaper set
On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 13:01 -0500, Michael Beckwith wrote: I believe the 1920x1200 is widescreen ratio Yes it is, and in the shape Matthias included it in the desktop-backgrounds in rawhide it seems to work well (I have widescreen too and it used the widescreen version automatically). Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[Waves] Complete wallpaper set
Hi, I edited the day wallpaper a little bit more and generated the needed sizes (1920x1200, 1600x1200, 1280x1024, 800x480). The complete wallpaper set can be found at my fedora people page [1], SVGs are in the same folder but not included in the archive. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/waves/sulphuric-waves-wallpaper-set.tar.gz signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Waves theme] Trimming unnecessary nodes in the wallpapers
On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 01:01 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: I took an opportunity to look at Waves background and noticed a tremendous amount of nodes for curves causing a huge slowdown to my x86_64 workstation. Removing some of them have reduced the original size from 208 to 186 KB. The blurred dark flame is made with less node though it could be tweaked further instead of the bunch of planes. I have added some sparks from the flames. You can view the preliminary result on http://luya.fedorapeople.org/test/ There are more trimming to do to reduce the size of the file. Luya Hi, I trimmed down (the SVGs are around 130 kiB now) all the wallpapers and did some additional changes to them: 1. I use different flames for different times of day (thus the flame would not be static) 2. I removed halo from the night version, because I like it better without it and don't see a reason to have a halo on a night sky... Especially the flames might still need some polishing so I put it on fedorapeople instead of wiki... http://mso.fedorapeople.org/waves/ Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F9 artwork
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 14:55 -0500, Michael Beckwith wrote: Attached is the xml file that I edited from the infinity.xml to waves.xml Basically all I had to do was edit the start time, which I put for April 1st(not fooling here), and then change instances of infinity to waves. I kept the file naming structure for the png's the same, minus the theme name part. It might still need some tweaking, especially considering gnome now supports multiple resolutions so it would be beneficial to have it: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-February/msg00206.html Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Experimenting with weekly Wake theme
On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 00:15 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Incorporating the idea originally from Shoowa theme, I added a subtle effects on Wave theme background to represent the number of day where nothing means Sunday, one small round is Monday and more. I have used a vaccum on some svg which caused a funny effects. Note: the file is really huge (46 MB) so I have tarred them instead of putting each image separately. Luya Ref: http://luya.fedorapeople.org/packages/wave_theme.tar.bz2 Hi, the funny effects you talk about is the missing sulphur stone in some of the images, or is it intentional? However, opening the affected SVGs in inkscape results in correct image, so exporting to PNG should work OK. Next, it is a real huge set of wallpapers and unless we could do some kind of diffs between the wallpapers it is far to much for being default wallpaper set (at least for Live CDs), IMHO. I also noticed the PNGs included are not sharp. How did you get them from the SVGs? Direct export from SVG (in inkscape) does not show this rather low quality rendering. And now to the general idea. I am not opposed to the idea itself, also representing Sunday as 0 is interesting, since it is start of the week for some countries, while Monday (in your counting number 1) in another ones :) But, I don't like very much how it is implemented. When I looked at thumbnails (in nautilus) at first I thought that the circles are part of the flame (you know, when part of a flame separates from the rest and flow upwards) which I thought was great idea, but actually seeing that it is more or less plain circles sort of disappointed me. Just my 2 cents, Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: sulphuric waves backgrounds
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 00:38 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: Hey all, I'm working on the second revision for the desktop backgrounds. I've got the following basic ideas implemented: - Gradients for different times of day basically taken from F8 wallpapers, in turn keeping the transition between each a lot less dramatic - Having the sulphur burning at sunset and at night, but not during the day or sunrise (it doesn't seem to fit) - Using Martin's basic wallpaper template, except slightly blurring and transparenting the bottom ocean to make the sky flow more in tune with the waves The PNGs and SVGs are available at [1]. Please let me know what you think :) -- ian [1] http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/art/sulphuric-waves/ Hi, great work! No critics from me. What about uploading to wiki, is there any special reason why you uploaded it to fedorapeople instead? If it's because the clutter of the wiki page I suggest to make a Final sub-page and put the designs there (together with other things like GRUB, rhgb, ...). Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Theme with smaller font and image sizes
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 17:23 -0400, Stewart Adam wrote: Hi, One thing that's always bothered me about GTK is how large GTK widgets are - especially the Combobox. I played around with my fonts sizes and while the height of the Combobox is still pretty high when you compare the hight of the text it holds, smaller font sizes did help. I came across a fairly old page on the web (forgot the link, sorry) that explained how Linux traditionally used 10pt font sizes, 75 dpi. Windows used font size of 8pt and 96dpi. However now that Linux uses 96dpi (and has for a while), the fonts appear to be much larger. Do you think we should provide a theme that reduces the stock image sizes by a bit and uses 8pt fonts? It's not a matter of DPI... pt is absolute unit so it will have the same size both with 75 and 96 dpi, as long as the dpi is set correctly, only with higher dpi you'll get nicer and more detailed shapes... I'm not a great theme designer, but I created a basic gtkrc file similar to the wimp gtk theme on Windows. This helped considerably with screen real estate, as almost every widget got smaller. I'm not suggesting this because Mac has their OS's themed this way, but rather because I find in the default theme there's a lot of potential screen real estate that goes to waste. Since the font size does affect spacing but makes the widgets smaller it made all programs much easier to navigate through! Would you mind sharing the gtkrc? It would help to see what you intend to do :) So, what are you thoughts/opinions? I'd be happy to create and package a theme that does what I've mentioned above providing somebody could help me out a little along the way for gtkrc and maybe the theme engine a bit. This is just an idea, feedback, flames, criticisms are all welcome. Stewart I don't think we need a separate theme for it (though it wouldn't hurt to have one; if you base it on Nodoka, I'd be willing to add it to the extra themes we ship with the engine, probably as Nodoka Small). Just change the default font settings, I don't know in what package this is set, though. And now what I think about changing the default... Well, I suppose many people actually use the 10 pt setting and some even bigger and some smaller, I use 8 pt. Yes, themes tend to look better with smaller font sizes, but you must be aware that 8 pt is too small for many people. I think we could discuss changing from 10 pt to 9 pt, but certainly not to 8 pt. Anyway, font sizes are something that can be easily changed through appearance caplet, so I'd suggest to rather keep the 10 pt which vast majority of people can read easily and the ones who want smaller can easily change it. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Waves Round 3] Burning Sulphur Waves Wallpaper
On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 09:14 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: I've had some time so I've played a little more with the Waves theme. First, I used the old mid-blue wallpaper as my background and realised some things: the ocean blue works quite well with the sulphur, but the transition between sky blue and ocean blue is odd. Also, it is still a little too bright. Next, seeing the sketches from John Baer I thought I could play a little with the idea of having both some sort of blue and grey in the wallpaper. In the end I ended up with removing the halo and decreasing saturation a lot. The result is nearly-grey sky and dark grey-blue ocean. While I like your nearly-grey sky, I am not that happy with the transition from sky to water. What I liked best in Mo's grey was the smooth transition from sky to water. Yeah, it could still be a little better, however I prefer rather strong transition from sky to watter (as opposed to the rather smooth one in Mo's grey). I think maybe we could bend the surface a little to imitate a roundness of a planet it is on, what do you think? Do you plan to change the color of the sky as part of the animated background? If so, it would be good to play also with those shades. Well, if time permits I would not be against, but it's not a top priority. We need to do the final design for the wallpaper done and make the supporting graphics first... But if anyone feels like making it himself(herself) (s)he is welcome to do so even now :-) Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Round 3] Alternative wallpapers for Sulphuric Waves
On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 23:16 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about this? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Waves#head-7b831bee9cb2600c56c61ad7745210f7f69dcfe4 That's real close.The halo effect is interesting. Basically what you need to try for is making it appear that specific connected edges of certain crystals are aflame. Not just the flat projection of the outline, but also some of of the edges that appears to be in the foreground. Edges not faces. Okay how about this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Waves#head-6a1209c765fc180ee5de7bc2df20501d8d14368b I moved the one on the right to cling along the edge of one of the faces? ~m I can't help it, but the flames look strange. They're drawn nicely, but the positioning is a little bit unreal. Considering that flame is basically hot plasma + hot air, its direction is usually upwards facing, only when (electro-)magnetic field or air flow is present the direction differs. The way they are drawn now is nearly impossible to be caused by air flow and hard to achieve by magnetic fields... So I went ahead and joined the two flames together which makes them look less out of reality... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Waves#head-42fe387ad8277d60f20733072b9ba8bd535742ea Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Round 3] Alternative wallpapers for Sulphuric Waves
On Tue, 2008-02-26 at 13:10 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Nicu Buculei wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: I noticed you attached the darker version to the Waves page [1]. I decided to give it another try and created a version that is neither that light like the first tries nor that dark like your try. I attached it to the page [1]. I think now is the time for us to settle on one single color, do the base wallpaper and start the other associated graphics, from grub to splashes (the deadline is coming). So we have so far one gray and 3 shades of blue, which is the one we are going forward with? opinions? informal votes? post here... Gray. Rahul Mid-blue (wallpaper.4). Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Round 3] Alternative wallpapers for Sulphuric Waves
On Tue, 2008-02-26 at 09:45 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: Nicu Buculei wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: I noticed you attached the darker version to the Waves page [1]. I decided to give it another try and created a version that is neither that light like the first tries nor that dark like your try. I attached it to the page [1]. I think now is the time for us to settle on one single color, do the base wallpaper and start the other associated graphics, from grub to splashes (the deadline is coming). So we have so far one gray and 3 shades of blue, which is the one we are going forward with? opinions? informal votes? post here... I like the grey best... I had settled on it after trying blue. I have been meaning to play with the sulphur itself to add a blue glow. Maybe the supporting artwork could have more blue, maybe with grey accents to match, but the wallpaper would be grey? Which reminds me, I really liked the third banner available for Alpha Release [1], would you be able to do a wallpaper using this styling? I especially like the blueish halo and strong transition between the sea and the sky. From the initial feedback on the mockups it seemed a lot of people welcomed the change to grey as a change of pace. ~m Well, I noticed it as well, and I like the grey version a lot, but I guess I could not get used much to such colours. I prefer more saturated ones, the grey feels a little depressing, like if it was a sea/sky on some distant inhabited planet composed mostly of lava-like surface. But don't care about me, I'm probably the only one with this feeling anyway :-D And some technical comment, grey gradients tend to not look smooth on weaker/older/cheap lcd displays, while saturated ones are usually better... Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/PromoBanners?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=fedora9alpha-banner2_mo.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Round 3] Alternative wallpapers for Sulphuric Waves
On Tue, 2008-02-26 at 23:16 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: Hey Martin, Martin Sourada wrote: Well, I noticed it as well, and I like the grey version a lot, but I guess I could not get used much to such colours. I prefer more saturated ones, the grey feels a little depressing, like if it was a sea/sky on some distant inhabited planet composed mostly of lava-like surface. But don't care about me, I'm probably the only one with this feeling anyway :-D It is a little depressing on the one hand, but on the other it is very non-distracting, perfect for a default wallpaper. Perhaps. Come to think of it, how is the alternative artwork project going? I think we could provide (a) package(s) with alternative wallpapers for F9? And some technical comment, grey gradients tend to not look smooth on weaker/older/cheap lcd displays, while saturated ones are usually better... I've never heard this before? ~m I don't know the technical details, but whenever I read some tests of LCD monitors, one of the tests they usually do is a test of quality of display of greys and that's usually where the cheaper LCD fails. But I think it's getting better with newer technologies. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Round 3] Alternative wallpapers for Sulphuric Waves
On Sat, 2008-02-23 at 12:44 +, Camilo Mesias wrote: I think the wallpapers are great... is the blueness of the palette a given though? I was thinking back to my youth when some sulphur was burned in a science experiment. Nope, I used the blue I felt like being the best... There was an amazing range of powdery yellow colours, ranging through to a glossy dark brown for the molten sulphur. Then the flame was a contrasting blue colour that I remember very vividly. I'm almost tempted to find some sulphur and photograph it burning! Like this? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Burning-sulfur.png I can imagine a pair of images with those colours, with blue being the dominant colour in one, and yellow in the other. -Cam Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Echo Icons State Report
Hi, for those not following Echo recently I decided to summarise the recent happenings. First, it is worth noting, that the Echo icon theme homepage moved to [1], which is a result of fedorahosted.org changes. The certificate is now signed for fh.o so it should work nicely even with the new firefox's security policy. The git repository's web interface is at [2] and in the future we will release source archives in [3] (currently empty). Second, the homepage itself undergone some changes and more will come. More specifically we have prepared new Status page [4] which pulls the latest icons from git and is easily regenerated from sources, so that we can update it whenever new icon is added/removed that is not listed yet. For tracking progress we have created single page [5] and that's the page you are going first if you'd like to create icon and the page you are going to edit when you are creating an icon. Yes, it's the page where developers are supposed to note what icons are they working on. The page for ToDo [6] is currently quite empty, but lists what items needs to be added. In the feature it will serve as our main page for tracking the most needed icons to create or modify. Next, and most importantly, we have a final version of the Echo guidelines [7]. This is so much important because stable guidelines for icon creating are crucial thing - you need to know how your icon is supposed to look like and such a guidelines helps a lot in that. And what are we doing now? I am currently working on the package-x-generic icon, preview is located at [8], and on the go-* icons, preview is located at [9], and media-* icons, no preview is available yet. And, finally, what is supposed to happen in the near future? Well, I hope to make some progress with the ToDo page [6]. Also it would be great if we could attract more contributors, as for me and Luya it is quite a lot of work and as a result the progress is rather slow. Once the go-* and media-* icons are finished and pushed to git, we'll release new version (thanks to a lot of changes) and it will be the first release available for download from the new location [3]. The Echo-related wiki pages on fedoraproject.org also need some updates, because there is a lot of obsolete information and is sometimes a bit misleading as to how the Echo progress is going on. I hope this report helps clearing any questions you might have regarding the Echo development and I hope to hear from you. As you might noticed in this report, if you are willing to help but don't have the needed graphical skills, you can still help with the infrastructure (e.g. working on the wiki pages). Thanks for your time, Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki [2] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=echo-icon-theme;a=summary [3] https://fedorahosted.org/releases/e/c/echo-icon-theme/ [4] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus [5] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo/InProgress [6] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo [7] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines [8] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/MimeTypes/ [9] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
