Fedora Weekly News 204
o 1.1 Announcements + 1.1.1 More Fedora 12 Reviews + 1.1.2 FEDORA ANNOUNCE LIST # 1.1.2.1 Fedora Project Election Town Halls + 1.1.3 FEDORA EVENTS # 1.1.3.1 Upcoming Events # 1.1.3.2 Past Events o 1.2 Planet Fedora + 1.2.1 General o 1.3 Quality Assurance + 1.3.1 Test Days + 1.3.2 Weekly meetings + 1.3.3 Increasing the grub timeout + 1.3.4 Fedora 12 QA retrospective o 1.4 Ambassadors + 1.4.1 Fedora at NYSCATE + 1.4.2 Fedora 12 is here o 1.5 Translation + 1.5.1 Fedora 12 Translation Schedule Tasks + 1.5.2 Accessibility Guide + 1.5.3 New Members o 1.6 Artwork + 1.6.1 Interaction Design Hackfest + 1.6.2 Game Screenshots Ready. Better Navigation Next o 1.7 Security Advisories + 1.7.1 Fedora 12 Security Advisories + 1.7.2 Fedora 11 Security Advisories + 1.7.3 Fedora 10 Security Advisories - Fedora Weekly News Issue 204 - Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 204[1] for the week ending November 29, 2009. What follows are some highlights from this issue. We start this week's issue off with a couple additional Fedora 12 reviews to highlight, and also lots of Fedora Project Election information to inform and engage the user community! In news from the Fedora Planet this week, comparing the Nokia Maemo and Google Android platforms, thoughts on sustainable open source engineering, and a review of the 0.4 Eclipse Linux Tools. In the Quality Assurance beat, much detail on this past week's QA team activities, and an interesting Fedora 12 QA retrospective. Ambassadors news this week gives us an event report from the recent New York State Association for Technology and Computers in Education meeting. In Translation happenings, 0-day Fedora 12 translation polishing, and new members to the Fedora Localization Project for Italian, Sinhala and German. The Art/Design beat shows off discussion on an interactive design hackfest and wrapup of screenshots for a Fedora Game Spin. This issue wraps up with security patches released last week for Fedora 10, 11 and 12. Please enjoy FWN 204! If you are interested in contributing to Fedora Weekly News, please see our 'join' page[2]. We welcome reader feedback: fedora-news-l...@redhat.com FWN Editorial Team: Pascal Calarco, Adam Williamson 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue204 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join -- Announcements -- In this section, we cover announcements from the Fedora Project, including general announcements[1], development announcements[2] and Events[3]. Contributing Writer: Pascal Calarco 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/ 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/ 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events --- More Fedora 12 Reviews --- Last week, we highlighted several Fedora 12 reviews from around the globe. Here are a few more than came in over the past week: * Distrowatch, First look at Fedora 12 [1] * Linux Planet Fedora 12 pushes bleeding edge of Linux networking [2] 1. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20091123#feature 2. http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6910/1/ --- FEDORA ANNOUNCE LIST --- Fedora Project Election Town Halls There are a number of high-profile and important elections for the Fedora Project leadership in process right now, and there's lots on the wiki to inform the user community on the candidates[1]. See the linked page for a log of town hall discussions, and upcoming town halls[2] through December 3rd! Who can vote? Check out the Fedora Elections Guide![3] 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections#IRC_Town_Halls 3. http://nigelj.fedorapeople.org/feg/ --- FEDORA EVENTS --- Fedora events are the source of marketing, learning and meeting all the fellow community people around you. So, please mark your agenda with the following events to consider attending or volunteering near you! Upcoming Events * North America (NA)[1] * Central South America (LATAM) [2] * Europe, Middle East, and Africa (EMEA)[3] * India, Asia, Australia (India/APJ)[4] 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY10_Q3_.28September_2009_-_November_2009.29 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY10_Q3_.28September_2009_-_November_2009.29_2 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY10_Q3_.28September_2009_-_November_2009.29_3 4. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY10_Q3_.28September_2009_-_November_2009.29_4 Past Events Archive of Past Fedora Events[1] 1.
Re: rawhide report: 20091128 changes
2009/11/28 Rex Dieter rdie...@math.unl.edu: Rawhide Report wrote: Compose started at Sat Nov 28 08:15:06 UTC 2009 Broken deps for i386 kipi-plugins-0.8.0-3.fc13.i686 requires libcxcore.so.2 kipi-plugins-0.8.0-3.fc13.i686 requires libcvaux.so.2 kipi-plugins-0.8.0-3.fc13.i686 requires libcv.so.2 kipi-plugins-0.8.0-3.fc13.i686 requires libhighgui.so.2 Looks like an ABI-breaking opencv landed. ;( This ABI bump was scheduled from this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=530717 packagers are expected to rebuild their package. ps: I will do mine tonight. Nicolas (kwizart) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rpms/php-facedetect/EL-5 php-facedetect.spec,1.1,1.2
Can this commit be reverted?
It was requested to rebuild package only for rawhide!
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=530717
2009/11/30 topdog top...@fedoraproject.org:
Author: topdog
Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/php-facedetect/EL-5
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv20125/EL-5
Modified Files:
php-facedetect.spec
Log Message:
* Mon Nov 30 2009 Andrew Colin Kissa and...@topdog.za.net 1.0.0-3
- rebuild for new opencv
Index: php-facedetect.spec
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/php-facedetect/EL-5/php-facedetect.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.1
retrieving revision 1.2
diff -u -p -r1.1 -r1.2
--- php-facedetect.spec 31 Jul 2009 15:31:54 - 1.1
+++ php-facedetect.spec 30 Nov 2009 08:49:23 - 1.2
@@ -3,7 +3,7 @@
Name: php-facedetect
Version: 1.0.0
-Release: 2%{?dist}
+Release: 3%{?dist}
Summary: PHP extension to access the OpenCV library
Group: Development/Languages
License: PHP
@@ -58,6 +58,9 @@ rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
%{php_extdir}/facedetect.so
%changelog
+* Sun Nov 29 2009 Andrew Colin Kissa and...@topdog.za.net - 1.0.0-2
+- Rebuild with new opencv
+
* Thu Jul 30 2009 Andrew Colin Kissa and...@topdog.za.net - 1.0.0-2
- Fix macros
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Re: Pulseaudio in F12
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Jud Craft craft...@gmail.com wrote: I have two sound cards installed: one onboard and another PCI. The PCI, the one I do no use very much, works fine. The onboard is the one which does not save the volumes. Every time I call an application its master and pcm volume go to the maximum (I see the sliders going to the top in alsamixer). This has been addressed by the PulseAudio creator. You can read more about it here, see the PCM is always 100%: http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PulseAudioStoleMyVolumes In my lay explanation, Pulse manages the application volumes behind the scenes. It still remembers their values, but it doesn't use Alsamixer to set them. It tries to use the full volume range of the hardware (for better volume scaling), so it keeps every other software linux volume control at full volume, and scales itself internally. Otherwise, ALSA would say you can only use the lower 50% of the sound range of this device. (PCM at 50%). Now Pulse decides internally what volume level is best. Thanks for the explanation. At least 3 applications are not restoring the volumes: xmms, mplayer and audacious. The solution is using the alsa plugin, and not the pulse plugin in these cases. Some others work fine, such as rhythmbox, amarok, vlc, and kradio4. -- Paulo Roma Cavalcanti LCG - UFRJ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Pulseaudio in F12
Dne Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:05:28 -0200 Paulo Cavalcanti napsal(a): Thanks for the explanation. At least 3 applications are not restoring the volumes: xmms, mplayer and audacious. Interesting. Maybe these programs try to be too clever and force the volume themselves. The solution is using the alsa plugin, and not the pulse plugin in these cases. Some others work fine, such as rhythmbox, amarok, vlc, and kradio4. Michal -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: F12: NetworkManager-Firefox: Firefox is currently in offline mode and can't browse the Web
On 11/29/2009 11:30 PM, Dan Williams wrote: On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 09:10 +, Terry Barnaby wrote: On 11/28/2009 08:35 AM, Rakesh Pandit wrote: 2009/11/28 Terry Barnaby wrote: If the NetworkManager service is running, but not managing the current network connection, then Firefox starts up in offline mode. Is this a bug in NetworkManager or Firefox ? This is odd behaviour and needs to be fixed. I would suggest open up a bug against firefox. I know one can change toolkit.networkmanager.disable preference, but it is a PITA for our users. One of use cases is: Sometime network manager does not connect me via my CDMA usb modem (in case signal is weak), but wvdial does and once I switch from NM to wvdial, my firefox gets to offline mode, which I don't expect it to as I am connected. Ok, filed as: 542078 NetworkManager is intended to control the default internet connection. If NetworkManager cannot control the default internet connection, then you may not want to use NetworkManager. In your case, you're using a mobile broadband device. The real bug here is that for whatever reason, NM/MM aren't connecting your modem, and we should follow up on that bug instead. Dan I am not using a mobile broadband device. The network connection my systems use is not just the Internet it is a local network LAN connection that also serves the internet. Most of my systems use a local network server which provides NIS, /home and /data using NFS and VPN etc. I normally use the service network to bring up wired or wireless networking for this. Fedora, by default, uses NetworkManager to manage all network devices though. I use the service network as, for some reason, the NetworkManager service is started after the netfs and other services are started. Is there a reason for this ?? I can obviously turn of the NetworkManager service, which I have done on the desktop systems. However, I also have a few Laptops that can roam. In F11 and before I have used the network and NetworkManager services. When the laptop boots away from home, the network service fails and I can then use the NetworkManager service to connect to whatever wireless network or G3 network is available. It does seem sensible to me that the system provides applications with info on if the network is up (not just the Internet). The NetworkManager service seems the place to do this and it looks like the applications are starting to use it for this purpose. So maybe a generic NM isNetworkUp() API call is called for ? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: F12: NetworkManager-Firefox: Firefox is currently in offline mode and can't browse the Web
Hi, On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 09:55 +, Terry Barnaby wrote: On 11/29/2009 11:30 PM, Dan Williams wrote: On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 09:10 +, Terry Barnaby wrote: On 11/28/2009 08:35 AM, Rakesh Pandit wrote: 2009/11/28 Terry Barnaby wrote: If the NetworkManager service is running, but not managing the current network connection, then Firefox starts up in offline mode. Is this a bug in NetworkManager or Firefox ? This is odd behaviour and needs to be fixed. I would suggest open up a bug against firefox. I know one can change toolkit.networkmanager.disable preference, but it is a PITA for our users. One of use cases is: Sometime network manager does not connect me via my CDMA usb modem (in case signal is weak), but wvdial does and once I switch from NM to wvdial, my firefox gets to offline mode, which I don't expect it to as I am connected. Ok, filed as: 542078 NetworkManager is intended to control the default internet connection. If NetworkManager cannot control the default internet connection, then you may not want to use NetworkManager. In your case, you're using a mobile broadband device. The real bug here is that for whatever reason, NM/MM aren't connecting your modem, and we should follow up on that bug instead. Dan I am not using a mobile broadband device. The network connection my systems use is not just the Internet it is a local network LAN connection that also serves the internet. Most of my systems use a local network server which provides NIS, /home and /data using NFS and VPN etc. I normally use the service network to bring up wired or wireless networking for this. Fedora, by default, uses NetworkManager to manage all network devices though. I use the service network as, for some reason, the NetworkManager service is started after the netfs and other services are started. Is there a reason for this ?? I can obviously turn of the NetworkManager service, which I have done on the desktop systems. However, I also have a few Laptops that can roam. In F11 and before I have used the network and NetworkManager services. When the laptop boots away from home, the network service fails and I can then use the NetworkManager service to connect to whatever wireless network or G3 network is available. It does seem sensible to me that the system provides applications with info on if the network is up (not just the Internet). The NetworkManager service seems the place to do this and it looks like the applications are starting to use it for this purpose. So maybe a generic NM isNetworkUp() API call is called for ? I think the NetworkManager issue is a confusion between control and monitoring. I've mentioned this before in another context, but there seems to be no reason why these two things should be considered the same. Just because NetworkManager isn't controlling a device doesn't mean that it shouldn't monitor the up/down state of the device and update the applications' idea of the network being up/down accordingly, Steve. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Pulseaudio in F12
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:38:15 +0100, Michal wrote: Dne Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:05:28 -0200 Paulo Cavalcanti napsal(a): Thanks for the explanation. At least 3 applications are not restoring the volumes: xmms, mplayer and audacious. Interesting. Maybe these programs try to be too clever and force the volume themselves. It's not an attempt at being too clever, but several upstream developers feel lost in what they have to do or what they have not to do to get something right. Temporarily, Audacious devlopers have dropped their pulse_audio driver (originally from XMMS) even, since they were of the impression that it didn't work anyway. Ubuntu users currently feel punished with Pulse Audio. With a first bunch of fixes [for volume issues in Fedora 12 Rawhide, volume decreased for every new song], the driver was restored again for Audacious 2.2 development. With more recent changes in Pulse Audio, it seems, more changes are necessary. But Audacious 2.1 cannot reflect external volume level changes in its UI anyway. Its volume slider cannot move for volume level changes made with external tools. Only the next release can do that, and it suffers from new bugs (such as a bug in alsa-lib that will require an update in Fedora, too). -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: F12: NetworkManager-Firefox: Firefox is currently in offline mode and can't browse the Web
On 30/11/09 09:55, Terry Barnaby wrote: On 11/29/2009 11:30 PM, Dan Williams wrote: On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 09:10 +, Terry Barnaby wrote: On 11/28/2009 08:35 AM, Rakesh Pandit wrote: 2009/11/28 Terry Barnaby wrote: If the NetworkManager service is running, but not managing the current network connection, then Firefox starts up in offline mode. Is this a bug in NetworkManager or Firefox ? This is odd behaviour and needs to be fixed. I would suggest open up a bug against firefox. I know one can change toolkit.networkmanager.disable preference, but it is a PITA for our users. One of use cases is: Sometime network manager does not connect me via my CDMA usb modem (in case signal is weak), but wvdial does and once I switch from NM to wvdial, my firefox gets to offline mode, which I don't expect it to as I am connected. Ok, filed as: 542078 NetworkManager is intended to control the default internet connection. If NetworkManager cannot control the default internet connection, then you may not want to use NetworkManager. In your case, you're using a mobile broadband device. The real bug here is that for whatever reason, NM/MM aren't connecting your modem, and we should follow up on that bug instead. Dan I am not using a mobile broadband device. The network connection my systems use is not just the Internet it is a local network LAN connection that also serves the internet. Most of my systems use a local network server which provides NIS, /home and /data using NFS and VPN etc. I normally use the service network to bring up wired or wireless networking for this. Fedora, by default, uses NetworkManager to manage all network devices though. I use the service network as, for some reason, the NetworkManager service is started after the netfs and other services are started. Is there a reason for this ?? Don't know about the reason, but on my work desktop (where we have LDAP auth and NFS home dirs), I can still use NetworkManager in F12: * Make sure your LAN interfaces are marked available to all users in NetworkManager (I think this corresponds to ONBOOT=yes in /etc/sysconfig/ifcfg-eth*) * Add to /etc/sysconfig/network: NETWORKWAIT=true This should bring the network up before netfs. Unfortunately I've had to revert to the old network service because I need bridged networking for my virt guests; there was a plan to support this in NetworkManager in F-12 (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NetworkManagerBridging) but nothing seems to have happened with that, though I see there is a similar feature proposed for F-13 (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Shared_Network_Interface). Paul. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Pulseaudio in F12
Dne Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:12:38 +0100 Michael Schwendt napsal(a):
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:38:15 +0100, Michal wrote:
Dne Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:05:28 -0200 Paulo Cavalcanti napsal(a):
Thanks for the explanation.
At least 3 applications are not restoring the volumes:
xmms, mplayer and audacious.
Interesting. Maybe these programs try to be too clever and force the
volume themselves.
It's not an attempt at being too clever, but several upstream
developers feel lost in what they have to do or what they have not to
do to get something right. Temporarily, Audacious devlopers have
dropped their pulse_audio driver (originally from XMMS) even, since
they were of the impression that it didn't work anyway. Ubuntu
users currently feel punished with Pulse Audio. With a first bunch of
fixes [for volume issues in Fedora 12 Rawhide, volume decreased for
every new song], the driver was restored again for Audacious 2.2
development. With more recent changes in Pulse Audio, it seems, more
changes are necessary. But Audacious 2.1 cannot reflect external
volume level changes in its UI anyway. Its volume slider cannot move
for volume level changes made with external tools. Only the next
release can do that, and it suffers from new bugs (such as a bug in
alsa-lib that will require an update in Fedora, too).
Thanks for the explanation. Before I saw your reply, I played with
audacious-plugins and made a kludge to prevent it from forcing 100 %
volume on startup. It probably breaks something else, I haven't really
tested it too much.
Notice that the documentation for pa_stream_connect_playback strongly
recommends passing NULL as volume.
Index: audacious-plugins-fedora-2.1/src/pulse_audio/pulse_audio.c
===
--- audacious-plugins-fedora-2.1.orig/src/pulse_audio/pulse_audio.c
+++ audacious-plugins-fedora-2.1/src/pulse_audio/pulse_audio.c
@@ -666,7 +666,7 @@ static int pulse_open(AFormat fmt, int r
pa_stream_set_write_callback(stream, stream_request_cb, NULL);
pa_stream_set_latency_update_callback(stream, stream_latency_update_cb,
NULL);
-if (pa_stream_connect_playback(stream, NULL, NULL,
PA_STREAM_INTERPOLATE_TIMING|PA_STREAM_AUTO_TIMING_UPDATE, volume, NULL) 0) {
+if (pa_stream_connect_playback(stream, NULL, NULL,
PA_STREAM_INTERPOLATE_TIMING|PA_STREAM_AUTO_TIMING_UPDATE, NULL, NULL) 0) {
AUDDBG(Failed to connect stream: %s,
pa_strerror(pa_context_errno(context)));
goto unlock_and_fail;
}
@@ -715,6 +715,7 @@ static int pulse_open(AFormat fmt, int r
}
pa_operation_unref(o);
+#if 0
/* set initial volume */
if (!(o = pa_context_set_sink_input_volume(context,
pa_stream_get_index(stream), volume, NULL, NULL))) {
g_warning(pa_context_set_sink_input_volume() failed: %s,
pa_strerror(pa_context_errno(context)));
@@ -725,6 +726,7 @@ static int pulse_open(AFormat fmt, int r
pa_threaded_mainloop_wait(mainloop);
}
pa_operation_unref(o);
+#endif
do_trigger = 0;
written = 0;
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Re: Pulseaudio in F12
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 11:36 +0100, Michal Schmidt wrote: Dne Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:12:38 +0100 Michael Schwendt napsal(a): On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:38:15 +0100, Michal wrote: Dne Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:05:28 -0200 Paulo Cavalcanti napsal(a): Thanks for the explanation. At least 3 applications are not restoring the volumes: xmms, mplayer and audacious. Interesting. Maybe these programs try to be too clever and force the volume themselves. It's not an attempt at being too clever, but several upstream developers feel lost in what they have to do or what they have not to do to get something right. Temporarily, Audacious devlopers have dropped their pulse_audio driver (originally from XMMS) even, since they were of the impression that it didn't work anyway. Ubuntu users currently feel punished with Pulse Audio. With a first bunch of fixes [for volume issues in Fedora 12 Rawhide, volume decreased for every new song], the driver was restored again for Audacious 2.2 development. With more recent changes in Pulse Audio, it seems, more changes are necessary. But Audacious 2.1 cannot reflect external volume level changes in its UI anyway. Its volume slider cannot move for volume level changes made with external tools. Only the next release can do that, and it suffers from new bugs (such as a bug in alsa-lib that will require an update in Fedora, too). Thanks for the explanation. Before I saw your reply, I played with audacious-plugins and made a kludge to prevent it from forcing 100 % volume on startup. It probably breaks something else, I haven't really tested it too much. Notice that the documentation for pa_stream_connect_playback strongly recommends passing NULL as volume. This looks correct, you're never supposed to restore volume yourself when using PulseAudio. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 x86 DVD images
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Alexandre Oliva aol...@redhat.com wrote: On Nov 24, 2009, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: Yes, we may rename the Live images to i386. Yes, please make the naming scheme consistent. Ciao, -- Paolo -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: 190 packages with .la file(s)
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Pierre-Yves pin...@pingoured.fr wrote: Looking at: $ yum whatprovides *.la |grep x86_64 |wc -l 190 surprises me a bit. Do we have 189 bugs waiting to be filled ? (I filled one this morning) I guess some of these cannot be changed but I guess some can. It's better to do _source_ package list which is probably twice smaller. And exclude kde3 stuff (as far as I remember the plug-in engine in KDE3 is based on those la-files). -- With Best Regards, Andy Shevchenko -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: 190 packages with .la file(s)
Hi PY, On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:56, Pierre-Yves pin...@pingoured.fr wrote: Dear all, Looking at: $ yum whatprovides *.la |grep x86_64 |wc -l 190 surprises me a bit. Do we have 189 bugs waiting to be filled ? (I filled one this morning) I guess some of these cannot be changed but I guess some can. [snip] sugar-base-0.86.0-1.fc12.x86_64 : Base Sugar library I'm co-maintaining it, so I'll try to have a look at this one. Thanks for the heads up. -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: 190 packages with .la file(s)
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 13:12 +0100, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: sugar-base-0.86.0-1.fc12.x86_64 : Base Sugar library I'm co-maintaining it, so I'll try to have a look at this one. I'm just pointing out this : Note that if you are updating a library in a stable release (not devel) and the package already contains *.la files, removing the *.la files should be treated as an API/ABI change -- ie: Removing them changes the interface that the library gives to the rest of the world and should not be undertaken lightly. source: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#Packaging_Static_Libraries Thanks, Pierre -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Pulseaudio in F12
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:43:10 +, Bastien wrote: Notice that the documentation for pa_stream_connect_playback strongly recommends passing NULL as volume. This looks correct, you're never supposed to restore volume yourself when using PulseAudio. Which is exactly my fix that went into Audacious 2.2 before: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/audacious-plugins/audacious-plugins-2.2-beta1-pulseaudio.patch?hideattic=0revision=1.1view=markup -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: 190 packages with .la file(s)
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 14:03 +0200, Andy Shevchenko wrote: On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Pierre-Yves pin...@pingoured.fr wrote: Looking at: $ yum whatprovides *.la |grep x86_64 |wc -l 190 surprises me a bit. Do we have 189 bugs waiting to be filled ? (I filled one this morning) I guess some of these cannot be changed but I guess some can. It's better to do _source_ package list which is probably twice smaller. They were duplicate in the former list but via repoquery there are no so, for the whole package collection : $ repoquery -f *.la | wc -l 281 $ repoquery -f *.la |grep x86_64 |wc -l 182 $ repoquery -f *.la |grep noarch| wc -l 48 $ repoquery -f *.la |grep i686| wc -l 51 And exclude kde3 stuff (as far as I remember the plug-in engine in KDE3 is based on those la-files). That is true and that's why I leave it up to the maintainer to check this list and fix when it's relevant. Best regards, Pierre The list being: evolution-exchange-0:2.28.0-1.fc12.x86_64 mingw32-zlib-0:1.2.3-19.fc12.noarch kdebase3-libs-0:3.5.10-14.fc12.i686 libxml2-python-0:2.7.6-1.fc12.x86_64 subversion-javahl-0:1.6.5-2.fc12.x86_64 mingw32-libsoup-0:2.27.92-2.fc12.noarch ImageMagick-djvu-0:6.5.4.7-3.fc12.x86_64 openldap-servers-sql-0:2.4.18-5.fc12.x86_64 oprofile-jit-0:0.9.5-4.fc12.i686 babl-0:0.1.0-4.fc12.i686 gambas2-gb-pdf-0:2.17.0-1.fc12.x86_64 gambas2-gb-qt-ext-0:2.18.0-1.fc12.x86_64 kdevelop-libs-9:3.5.4-6.fc12.i686 kdewebdev-6:3.5.10-4.fc12.x86_64 gambas2-gb-crypt-0:2.17.0-1.fc12.x86_64 sim-0:0.9.5-0.21.20090821svn2902rev.fc12.x86_64 koffice-kchart-3:1.6.3-26.20090306svn.fc12.x86_64 koffice-filters-3:1.6.3-26.20090306svn.fc12.x86_64 mingw32-SDL-0:1.2.13-8.fc12.noarch gambas2-gb-pdf-0:2.18.0-1.fc12.x86_64 usrp-0:3.2.2-1.fc12.i686 gambas2-gb-qt-0:2.18.0-1.fc12.x86_64 gamin-python-0:0.1.10-5.fc12.x86_64 polyester3-0:1.0.4-3.fc12.x86_64 mingw32-libp11-0:0.2.6-4.fc12.noarch pinball-0:0.3.1-15.fc12.x86_64 gambas2-gb-sdl-sound-0:2.17.0-1.fc12.x86_64 gnome-do-0:0.8.2-4.fc12.x86_64 nfs-utils-lib-0:1.1.4-8.fc12.x86_64 python-gnash-0:0.9.0-0.6.20090809bzr11401.fc12.x86_64 koffice-kugar-3:1.6.3-26.20090306svn.fc12.x86_64 gambas2-gb-option-0:2.18.0-1.fc12.x86_64 imlib2-id3tag-loader-0:1.4.2-5.fc12.x86_64 gambas2-gb-gui-0:2.17.0-1.fc12.x86_64 mingw32-cairo-0:1.8.8-1.fc12.noarch gambas2-gb-net-curl-0:2.18.0-1.fc12.x86_64 mingw32-libxml++-0:2.26.0-3.fc12.noarch mingw32-libsq3-0:20071018-9.fc12.noarch kdewebdev-libs-6:3.5.10-4.fc12.i686 gambas2-gb-xml-0:2.18.0-1.fc12.x86_64 gambas2-gb-sdl-0:2.18.0-1.fc12.x86_64 hamster-applet-0:2.28.1-1.fc12.x86_64 eog-0:2.28.1-1.fc12.x86_64 koffice-kformula-3:1.6.3-26.20090306svn.fc12.x86_64 poker2d-0:1.7.3-3.fc12.x86_64 gambas2-gb-xml-xslt-0:2.18.0-1.fc12.x86_64 kdegames3-0:3.5.10-6.fc12.x86_64 gambas2-gb-qt-opengl-0:2.17.0-1.fc12.x86_64 kbibtex-0:0.2-16.fc12.x86_64 gnote-0:0.6.2-1.fc12.x86_64 oprofile-jit-0:0.9.5-2.fc12.i686 mingw32-libxml2-0:2.7.5-2.fc12.noarch gambas2-gb-gtk-svg-0:2.17.0-1.fc12.x86_64 kdelibs3-0:3.5.10-19.fc12.i686 gambas2-gb-gtk-ext-0:2.18.0-1.fc12.x86_64 mingw32-fontconfig-0:2.6.0-10.fc12.noarch gnuradio-0:3.2.2-1.fc12.i686 mingw32-cairomm-0:1.8.0-4.fc12.noarch quagga-devel-0:0.99.12-4.fc12.x86_64 banshee-0:1.5.1-3.fc12.x86_64 koffice-kpresenter-3:1.6.3-26.20090306svn.fc12.x86_64 gambas2-gb-qt-kde-0:2.17.0-1.fc12.x86_64 xfce4-session-0:4.6.1-3.fc12.i686 koffice-kexi-3:1.6.3-26.20090306svn.fc12.i686 gambas2-gb-image-0:2.18.0-1.fc12.x86_64 kst-netcdf-0:1.8.0-3.fc12.x86_64 gambas2-gb-compress-0:2.18.0-1.fc12.x86_64 subversion-javahl-0:1.6.5-2.fc12.i686 kst-fits-0:1.8.0-3.fc12.x86_64 koffice-filters-3:1.6.3-26.20090306svn.fc12.i686 sssd-0:0.7.1-1.fc12.x86_64 apr-util-devel-0:1.3.9-2.fc12.x86_64 gambas2-gb-db-sqlite3-0:2.17.0-1.fc12.x86_64 mingw32-zfstream-0:20041202-7.fc12.noarch mingw32-gtk2-0:2.18.3-1.fc12.noarch kftpgrabber-0:0.8.1-11.fc12.x86_64 gambas2-gb-v4l-0:2.18.0-1.fc12.x86_64 mingw32-atk-0:1.27.90-1.fc12.noarch mingw32-hunspell-0:1.2.8-11.fc12.noarch freehdl-0:0.0.7-2.fc12.x86_64 python-exo-0:0.3.105-1.fc12.x86_64 gambas2-gb-option-0:2.17.0-1.fc12.x86_64 sugar-toolkit-0:0.86.2-1.fc12.x86_64 gambas2-gb-vb-0:2.18.0-1.fc12.x86_64 gambas2-gb-xml-0:2.17.0-1.fc12.x86_64 showimg-0:0.9.5-26.fc12.i686 babl-0:0.1.0-4.fc12.x86_64 kio_sword-0:0.3-11.fc12.x86_64 kftpgrabber-0:0.8.1-11.fc12.i686 arts-8:1.5.10-8.fc12.x86_64 cfengine-0:2.2.10-3.fc12.x86_64 gambas2-gb-v4l-0:2.17.0-1.fc12.x86_64 gambas2-gb-compress-0:2.17.0-1.fc12.x86_64 koffice-kspread-3:1.6.3-26.20090306svn.fc12.x86_64 apr-util-devel-0:1.3.9-2.fc12.i686 koffice-kivio-3:1.6.3-26.20090306svn.fc12.x86_64 ghostscript-devel-0:8.70-1.fc12.x86_64 xfce4-session-engines-0:4.6.1-3.fc12.x86_64 gambas2-gb-desktop-0:2.18.0-1.fc12.x86_64 mingw32-libssh2-0:1.1-5.fc12.noarch xfce4-session-0:4.6.1-3.fc12.x86_64 quagga-devel-0:0.99.12-4.fc12.i686 gambas2-gb-qt-kde-html-0:2.18.0-1.fc12.x86_64 imlib2-0:1.4.2-5.fc12.i686 kdebase3-0:3.5.10-14.fc12.x86_64 mingw32-pixman-0:0.16.2-1.fc12.noarch
Re: 190 packages with .la file(s)
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 01:40:38PM +0100, Pierre-Yves wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 14:03 +0200, Andy Shevchenko wrote: On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Pierre-Yves pin...@pingoured.fr wrote: mingw32-zlib-0:1.2.3-19.fc12.noarch All mingw32- RPMs containing DLLs are required to ship the .la file in order that libtool can work correctly on Win32 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/MinGW#Libraries_.28DLLs.29 Regards, Daniel -- |: Red Hat, Engineering, London -o- http://people.redhat.com/berrange/ :| |: http://libvirt.org -o- http://virt-manager.org -o- http://ovirt.org :| |: http://autobuild.org -o- http://search.cpan.org/~danberr/ :| |: GnuPG: 7D3B9505 -o- F3C9 553F A1DA 4AC2 5648 23C1 B3DF F742 7D3B 9505 :| -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rawhide report: 20091128 changes
Nicolas Chauvet wrote: 2009/11/28 Rex Dieter rdie...@math.unl.edu: Rawhide Report wrote: Compose started at Sat Nov 28 08:15:06 UTC 2009 Broken deps for i386 kipi-plugins-0.8.0-3.fc13.i686 requires libcxcore.so.2 kipi-plugins-0.8.0-3.fc13.i686 requires libcvaux.so.2 kipi-plugins-0.8.0-3.fc13.i686 requires libcv.so.2 kipi-plugins-0.8.0-3.fc13.i686 requires libhighgui.so.2 Looks like an ABI-breaking opencv landed. ;( This ABI bump was scheduled from this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=530717 packagers are expected to rebuild their package. I was just pointing out that packagers should expect to be notified of such things (without having to wait for broken deps reports), something like https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/MaintainerResponsibility#Notify_others_of_changes_that_may_affect_their_packages would be nice. -- Rex -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rawhide report: 20091128 changes
2009/11/30 Rex Dieter rdie...@math.unl.edu: Nicolas Chauvet wrote: 2009/11/28 Rex Dieter rdie...@math.unl.edu: Rawhide Report wrote: Compose started at Sat Nov 28 08:15:06 UTC 2009 Broken deps for i386 kipi-plugins-0.8.0-3.fc13.i686 requires libcxcore.so.2 kipi-plugins-0.8.0-3.fc13.i686 requires libcvaux.so.2 kipi-plugins-0.8.0-3.fc13.i686 requires libcv.so.2 kipi-plugins-0.8.0-3.fc13.i686 requires libhighgui.so.2 Looks like an ABI-breaking opencv landed. ;( This ABI bump was scheduled from this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=530717 packagers are expected to rebuild their package. I was just pointing out that packagers should expect to be notified of such things (without having to wait for broken deps reports), something like https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/MaintainerResponsibility#Notify_others_of_changes_that_may_affect_their_packages would be nice. That's why every primary maintainer was cc'd to the bug. But indeed, for some reason, you was missing from the bug as the kipi-plugins maintainer. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: 190 packages with .la file(s)
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 15:03 +0200, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
The list being:
I'd like to see _sources_ (the list should be smaller as I guess).
And please sort it :-)
If I run:
for i in $(repoquery --disablerepo=rpmfusion\* -f *.la
--qf=%{name}.%{arch} | grep x86_64 | sort | uniq); do repoquery -s
$i; done | sort | uniq
I retrieve this list of 80 source rpm (excluding the mingw32-):
alsa-lib-1.0.21-3.fc12.src.rpm
apr-1.3.9-3.fc12.src.rpm
apr-util-1.3.9-2.fc12.src.rpm
arts-1.5.10-8.fc12.src.rpm
babl-0.1.0-4.fc12.src.rpm
banshee-1.5.1-3.fc12.src.rpm
basket-1.0.3.1-6.fc12.src.rpm
bochs-2.3.8-0.8.git04387139e3b.fc12.src.rpm
cfengine-2.2.10-3.fc12.src.rpm
ctapi-cyberjack-3.3.0-7.fc12.src.rpm
eog-2.28.1-1.fc12.src.rpm
evolution-exchange-2.28.0-1.fc12.src.rpm
exo-0.3.105-1.fc12.src.rpm
flumotion-0.4.2-10.fc12.src.rpm
freehdl-0.0.7-2.fc12.src.rpm
gambas2-2.18.0-1.fc12.src.rpm
gamin-0.1.10-5.fc12.src.rpm
gdesklets-0.36.1-7.fc12.src.rpm
gedit-2.28.0-1.fc12.src.rpm
ggobi-2.1.7-3.fc12.src.rpm
ghostscript-8.70-1.fc12.src.rpm
globus-xio-gsi-driver-0.6-3.fc12.src.rpm
globus-xio-popen-driver-0.2-4.fc12.src.rpm
gnash-0.9.0-0.6.20090809bzr11401.fc12.src.rpm
gnome-do-0.8.2-4.fc12.src.rpm
gnote-0.6.2-1.fc12.src.rpm
gnuradio-3.2.2-1.fc12.src.rpm
GraphicsMagick-1.3.7-1.fc12.src.rpm
gtkglextmm-1.2.0-10.fc12.src.rpm
gtranslator-1.9.6-2.fc12.src.rpm
hamster-applet-2.28.1-1.fc12.src.rpm
hdf-4.2r4-4.fc12.src.rpm
ImageMagick-6.5.4.7-3.fc12.src.rpm
imlib2-1.4.2-5.fc12.src.rpm
jabberd-2.2.8-5.fc12.src.rpm
jpilot-1.6.2-3.fc12.src.rpm
k3b-1.0.5-10.fc12.src.rpm
kbibtex-0.2.2-18.fc12.src.rpm
kdebase3-3.5.10-14.fc12.src.rpm
kdegames3-3.5.10-6.fc12.src.rpm
kdelibs3-3.5.10-19.fc12.src.rpm
kdepim3-3.5.10-2.fc12.src.rpm
kdetv-0.8.9-13.fc12.src.rpm
kdevelop-3.5.4-6.fc12.src.rpm
kdewebdev-3.5.10-4.fc12.src.rpm
kdissert-1.0.7-6.fc12.src.rpm
kerry-0.2.1-9.fc12.src.rpm
kflickr-0.9.1-5.fc12.src.rpm
kftpgrabber-0.8.1-11.fc12.src.rpm
kguitar-0.5.1-8.926svn.fc12.src.rpm
kio_sword-0.3-11.fc12.src.rpm
kmymoney2-1.0.1-1.fc12.src.rpm
kmymoney2-aqbanking-1.0-2.fc12.src.rpm
koffice-1.6.3-26.20090306svn.fc12.src.rpm
kshutdown-1.0.1-4.fc12.src.rpm
kst-1.8.0-3.fc12.src.rpm
libcgroup-0.34-2.fc12.src.rpm
libstatgrab-0.16-3.fc12.src.rpm
libxml2-2.7.6-1.fc12.src.rpm
neon-0.29.0-3.fc12.src.rpm
nfs-utils-lib-1.1.4-8.fc12.src.rpm
openldap-2.4.18-5.fc12.src.rpm
oprofile-0.9.5-4.fc12.src.rpm
pinball-0.3.1-15.fc12.src.rpm
poker2d-1.7.3-3.fc12.src.rpm
polyester3-1.0.4-3.fc12.src.rpm
pyclutter-0.9.2-1.fc12.src.rpm
python-xklavier-0.2-2.fc12.src.rpm
quagga-0.99.12-4.fc12.src.rpm
showimg-0.9.5-26.fc12.src.rpm
sim-0.9.5-0.21.20090821svn2902rev.fc12.src.rpm
sssd-0.7.1-1.fc12.src.rpm
subversion-1.6.5-2.fc12.src.rpm
sugar-base-0.86.0-1.fc12.src.rpm
sugar-datastore-0.86.1-1.fc12.src.rpm
sugar-toolkit-0.86.2-1.fc12.src.rpm
synce-kde-0.9.1-4.fc11.src.rpm
taxipilot-0.9.2-9.fc12.src.rpm
tsclient-2.0.2-5.fc12.src.rpm
xfce4-session-4.6.1-3.fc12.src.rpm
Pierre
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Re: rawhide report: 20091128 changes
Le 30/11/2009 14:09, Rex Dieter a écrit : Nicolas Chauvet wrote: 2009/11/28 Rex Dieter rdie...@math.unl.edu: Rawhide Report wrote: Compose started at Sat Nov 28 08:15:06 UTC 2009 Broken deps for i386 kipi-plugins-0.8.0-3.fc13.i686 requires libcxcore.so.2 kipi-plugins-0.8.0-3.fc13.i686 requires libcvaux.so.2 kipi-plugins-0.8.0-3.fc13.i686 requires libcv.so.2 kipi-plugins-0.8.0-3.fc13.i686 requires libhighgui.so.2 Looks like an ABI-breaking opencv landed. ;( This ABI bump was scheduled from this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=530717 packagers are expected to rebuild their package. I was just pointing out that packagers should expect to be notified of such things (without having to wait for broken deps reports), something like https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/MaintainerResponsibility#Notify_others_of_changes_that_may_affect_their_packages would be nice. -- Rex My mistake, i should have updated the ticket as soon as i have rebuilt the package. Maintainers concerned were already notified of the upcoming ABI bump in the ticket (well, looks like we missed you). best regards, H. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 x86 DVD images
On 11/28/2009 10:39 AM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Sir Gallantmon wrote: Why not label it x86_32 instead of i386? That is far less confusing and illustrates that it is 32-bit on the x86 architecture, since x86_64 says it is 64-bit on x86 architecture. Because x86_32 is not an architecture name. You are just creating it from x86_64. 32 bit is i386 or IA32. 64 bit is x86_64 or AMD64 (BTW, I would have preferred AMD64 to be more used for 64 bit, as AMD should be given credit for the creation of the architecture, in contrast to Intel which gave us the disaster called IA64). AMD64 is a subset of x86_64, not an equivalent. The equivalent to AMD64 from the Intel side is EM64T. There's certainly a few minor niggling differences between the two architecture-wise, but we don't bias toward either and thus shouldn't name either. --CJD -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
rawhide report: 20091130 changes
Compose started at Mon Nov 30 08:15:20 UTC 2009 Broken deps for i386 -- anjal-0.1.0-1.fc13.i686 requires libevolution-mail-shared.so.0 anjal-0.1.0-1.fc13.i686 requires libefilterbar.so.0 blacs-mpich2-1.1-33.fc12.i686 requires libmpich.so.1.1 cluster-snmp-0.16.1-2.fc12.i686 requires libnetsnmp.so.15 dx-4.4.4-11.fc12.2.i686 requires libnetcdf.so.4 dx-libs-4.4.4-11.fc12.2.i686 requires libnetcdf.so.4 evolution-exchange-2.28.0-1.fc12.i686 requires libexchange-storage-1.2.so.3 frei0r-plugins-1.1.22-3.fc12.i686 requires libcvaux.so.2 frei0r-plugins-1.1.22-3.fc12.i686 requires libml.so.2 frei0r-plugins-1.1.22-3.fc12.i686 requires libcv.so.2 frei0r-plugins-1.1.22-3.fc12.i686 requires libcxcore.so.2 frei0r-plugins-1.1.22-3.fc12.i686 requires libhighgui.so.2 galeon-2.0.7-19.fc13.i686 requires gecko-libs = 0:1.9.1.5 hulahop-0.6.0-2.fc12.i686 requires xulrunner-python hulahop-0.6.0-2.fc12.i686 requires libpyxpcom.so ifstat-1.1-12.fc12.i686 requires libnetsnmp.so.15 inksmoto-0.7.0-1.rc1.fc13.noarch requires /bin/python jaxodraw-latex-2.0.1-3.fc13.noarch requires tex(texmf) kst-fits-1.8.0-3.fc12.i686 requires cfitsio = 0:3.140 kst-netcdf-1.8.0-3.fc12.i686 requires libnetcdf.so.4 kst-netcdf-1.8.0-3.fc12.i686 requires libnetcdf_c++.so.4 maniadrive-1.2-18.fc12.i686 requires libphp5-5.3.0.so maniadrive-track-editor-1.2-18.fc12.i686 requires libphp5-5.3.0.so monodevelop-debugger-mdb-2.1.0-1.fc12.i686 requires mono(MonoDevelop.Debugger) = 0:2.1.0.0 monodevelop-debugger-mdb-2.1.0-1.fc12.i686 requires mono(MonoDevelop.Core) = 0:2.1.0.0 monodevelop-debugger-mdb-2.1.0-1.fc12.i686 requires mono(MonoDevelop.AspNet) = 0:2.1.0.0 mrpt-apps-0.7.1-0.1.20090818svn1148.fc12.i686 requires libcv.so.2 mrpt-apps-0.7.1-0.1.20090818svn1148.fc12.i686 requires libcxcore.so.2 mrpt-apps-0.7.1-0.1.20090818svn1148.fc12.i686 requires libhighgui.so.2 mrpt-core-0.7.1-0.1.20090818svn1148.fc12.i686 requires libcv.so.2 mrpt-core-0.7.1-0.1.20090818svn1148.fc12.i686 requires libcxcore.so.2 mrpt-core-0.7.1-0.1.20090818svn1148.fc12.i686 requires libhighgui.so.2 nagios-plugins-snmp-disk-proc-1.2-6.fc12.i686 requires libnetsnmp.so.15 ncview-1.93c-6.fc12.i686 requires libnetcdf.so.4 php-facedetect-1.0.0-2.fc12.i686 requires libcv.so.2 php-facedetect-1.0.0-2.fc12.i686 requires libcvaux.so.2 php-facedetect-1.0.0-2.fc12.i686 requires libcxcore.so.2 php-facedetect-1.0.0-2.fc12.i686 requires libhighgui.so.2 php-pecl-gmagick-1.0.2b1-3.fc11.i586 requires php(zend-abi) = 0:20060613 php-pecl-gmagick-1.0.2b1-3.fc11.i586 requires php(api) = 0:20041225 player-2.1.1-13.fc12.i686 requires libml.so.2 player-2.1.1-13.fc12.i686 requires libcvaux.so.2 player-2.1.1-13.fc12.i686 requires libcv.so.2 player-2.1.1-13.fc12.i686 requires libcxcore.so.2 player-2.1.1-13.fc12.i686 requires libhighgui.so.2 raydium-1.2-18.fc12.i686 requires libphp5-5.3.0.so rubygem-activeldap-1.2.0-3.fc12.noarch requires rubygem(gettext_activerecord) = 0:2.0.4 rubygem-activeldap-1.2.0-3.fc12.noarch requires rubygem(gettext) = 0:2.0.4 rubygem-activeldap-1.2.0-3.fc12.noarch requires rubygem(locale) = 0:2.0.4 scalapack-mpich2-1.7.5-7.fc12.i686 requires libmpich.so.1.1 Broken deps for x86_64 -- anjal-0.1.0-1.fc13.x86_64 requires libevolution-mail-shared.so.0()(64bit) anjal-0.1.0-1.fc13.x86_64 requires libefilterbar.so.0()(64bit) blacs-mpich2-1.1-33.fc12.x86_64 requires libmpich.so.1.1()(64bit) cluster-snmp-0.16.1-2.fc12.x86_64 requires libnetsnmp.so.15()(64bit) dx-4.4.4-11.fc12.2.x86_64 requires libnetcdf.so.4()(64bit) dx-libs-4.4.4-11.fc12.2.i686 requires libnetcdf.so.4 dx-libs-4.4.4-11.fc12.2.x86_64 requires libnetcdf.so.4()(64bit) evolution-exchange-2.28.0-1.fc12.x86_64 requires libexchange-storage-1.2.so.3()(64bit) frei0r-plugins-1.1.22-3.fc12.x86_64 requires libml.so.2()(64bit) frei0r-plugins-1.1.22-3.fc12.x86_64 requires libcv.so.2()(64bit) frei0r-plugins-1.1.22-3.fc12.x86_64 requires libcxcore.so.2()(64bit) frei0r-plugins-1.1.22-3.fc12.x86_64 requires libcvaux.so.2()(64bit) frei0r-plugins-1.1.22-3.fc12.x86_64 requires libhighgui.so.2()(64bit) galeon-2.0.7-19.fc13.x86_64 requires gecko-libs = 0:1.9.1.5 hulahop-0.6.0-2.fc12.x86_64 requires xulrunner-python hulahop-0.6.0-2.fc12.x86_64 requires libpyxpcom.so()(64bit) ifstat-1.1-12.fc12.x86_64 requires libnetsnmp.so.15()(64bit) inksmoto-0.7.0-1.rc1.fc13.noarch requires /bin/python
Re: memset bugs.
On 11/27/2009 02:25 PM, Casey Dahlin wrote: On 11/27/2009 06:03 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 03:28:19AM -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: A literal zero prior to preprocessing is either a bug, or some kind of dead- code causing place-holder. Not necessarily .. the C code itself may be generated from something else. Rich. In which case the C code is no longer source and should be excluded from the analysis. No, when swig (or whatever) produces bad code, we still want the compiler to identify it and toss it. It's then up to the packager to realize it's swig producing the bad code, but it isn't magically good code that doesn't result in real bugs. -- Peter I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is. -- L. Ron Hubbard to Lloyd Eshbach, in 1949; quoted by Eshbach in _Over My Shoulder_. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: 190 packages with .la file(s)
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 01:25:08PM +0100, Pierre-Yves wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 13:12 +0100, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: sugar-base-0.86.0-1.fc12.x86_64 : Base Sugar library I'm co-maintaining it, so I'll try to have a look at this one. I'm just pointing out this : Note that if you are updating a library in a stable release (not devel) and the package already contains *.la files, removing the *.la files should be treated as an API/ABI change -- ie: Removing them changes the interface that the library gives to the rest of the world and should not be undertaken lightly. source: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#Packaging_Static_Libraries The intention here was for people to fix things in rawhide and be cautious in released versions of Fedora. Breaking things in rawhide and then patching to fix them is acceptable. The most common needed fix is likely patching plugin loaders to use a plugin name without extension rather than hardcoding PLUGINNAME.la in. -Toshio pgp4LB1DFLZaO.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Looking for testers: RPM 4.8 pre-release snapshots available
On 11/27/2009 03:05 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: For an idea what to expect, see the draft release notes at http://rpm.org/wiki/Releases/4.8.0 I notice that explicit ordering syntax that doesn't trigger a strict requires isn't on this list. It's really something we need sooner rather than later, and it's been requested by many people for quite some time now. What needs to be done to get this prioritized? There is a mounting set of features we're implementing parts of very poorly because of the lack of this functionality. -- Peter I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is. -- L. Ron Hubbard to Lloyd Eshbach, in 1949; quoted by Eshbach in _Over My Shoulder_. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: orphaning dblatex
Neal Becker wrote: I no longer wish to maintain dblatex. Any takers? I can if none of the co-maintainers want it. -J -- in your fear, seek only peace in your fear, seek only love -d. bowie -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12: Emacs is not for software development
On 11/28/2009 10:23 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Debayan Banerjee wrote: Well one does need an editor for development. Assuming vim and emacs have roughly equal user bases, chosing emacs over vim for the distribution shows Fedora packagers' personal preference too. I guess both vim and emacs should be available. Both vim and Emacs are obsolescent and hard to use. Kate FTW! Kevin Kofler On the contrary, they're both quite easy to use. They're just hard to learn. This is intentional. If you're smart enough to use a real man's editor then you're smart enough to send patches to other real men who are writing real men's software. We don't actually want just /anyone/ writing code, do we? (well, Java people do, but its impossible to do anything useful in Java anyway. That's why you need a gigantic resource-intensive IDE to do everything for you). --CJD -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: memset bugs.
On 11/30/2009 10:39 AM, Peter Jones wrote: On 11/27/2009 02:25 PM, Casey Dahlin wrote: On 11/27/2009 06:03 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 03:28:19AM -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: A literal zero prior to preprocessing is either a bug, or some kind of dead- code causing place-holder. Not necessarily .. the C code itself may be generated from something else. Rich. In which case the C code is no longer source and should be excluded from the analysis. No, when swig (or whatever) produces bad code, we still want the compiler to identify it and toss it. It's then up to the packager to realize it's swig producing the bad code, but it isn't magically good code that doesn't result in real bugs. The compiler isn't doing these checks, but point taken. On a tangent, what of these checks if any should be put into the compiler? Compile-time bounds checking of library functions is kind of magical and un-C-like, but its not unprecedented (printf argument checking for example). --CJD -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12: Emacs is not for software development
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 11:26 -0500, Casey Dahlin wrote: On 11/28/2009 10:23 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Debayan Banerjee wrote: Well one does need an editor for development. Assuming vim and emacs have roughly equal user bases, chosing emacs over vim for the distribution shows Fedora packagers' personal preference too. I guess both vim and emacs should be available. Both vim and Emacs are obsolescent and hard to use. Kate FTW! Kevin Kofler On the contrary, they're both quite easy to use. They're just hard to learn. This is intentional. If you're smart enough to use a real man's editor then you're smart enough to send patches to other real men who are writing real men's software. We don't actually want just /anyone/ writing code, do we? (well, Java people do, but its impossible to do anything useful in Java anyway. That's why you need a gigantic resource-intensive IDE to do everything for you). --CJD I guess all the female hackers are just SOL? -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?
On 11/27/2009 04:56 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Physics don't. A two dimensional screen will never be able to more than simulate 3D. 3D requires more dead dinosaurs, coal and/or other sources of electrical energy than 2D to produce. This isn't necessarily the case, in theory or in practice. I used an ammeter to do some measurements of this on my T41[1] several releases ago[2], and in general compositing the desktop using 3d hardware used slightly less energy than running with desktop effects turned off. Which is to say, if the 3d hardware can do something easily, it may use more energy for the GPU than using 2d acceleration only, but that translates to less energy doesn't necessarily mean more power for the whole system. If you do more complex 3d things, yes, it will take more power, but the act of using the 3d hardware instead of the 2d hardware can be more efficient in terms of energy. [1] that's 2373-9FU for those wondering. [2] a bit after compiz came into existance -- Peter I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is. -- L. Ron Hubbard to Lloyd Eshbach, in 1949; quoted by Eshbach in _Over My Shoulder_. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: example content
On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 14:15 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: Hey, one change we are planning to make to the desktop spin in F13 is to go from targeting a cd to targeting a 1g usb stick. Why 1GB? It seemed to me, when discussing this earlier on this list, that everyone agreed that 2GB made much more sense. Thanks, David -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: example content
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 22:39 -0600, Mel Chua wrote: Because it's brainstorm time and I'm procrastinating on FUDCon accounting... ;) * FWN podcast, http://www.braincache.de/wp/2009/11/15/fwn-fedora-weekly-news-201. * the http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-music-list might have more suggestions / be able to come up with something audio-related * SVG versions of the one-page release notes are at http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/release%20notes/f12/ and might make a nice hey, try Inkscape prompter. * GIMP-transformed images of Fedora contributors alongside their originals and some how we did this notes - see the Do It With Fedora! section in the middle of http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/woot/page1.png for inspiration * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics in spreadsheet format adding up total downloads * a screencast on how to use http://fedoraproject.org/join-fedora to go from I'm interested! to I have a FAS account and am posting an intro on a mailing list? or I'm on IRC! or something of the sort. Those are nice suggestions, thanks a lot. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: livecds in the future
Trying to respond to several points that were raised in this thread... 1. If live cds are as indispensable as you claim they are, it will be relatively straightforward to produce them for F13 simply by omitting the big items that will push us over the cd size limit, ie OpenOffice, example content, and whatever else we decide to fill the new space with. But the bigger image will be the one that we try to make as good as possible, and the CD-sized offspring will be a cut down version with gaps. 2. More download choices are not a part of the solution, but a part of the problem... We already have the problem that people are choosing to download the DVD just because DVD CD; but unlike the spins, the DVD is not a designed product at all. If we need to make a cd-sized alternative available, it should be marked clearly as a secondary option on the download page, e.g. hidden behind a 'Can't boot USB ?' question... 3. 'Chain-booting' from cd to usb sounds like an elegant way to avoid the 'Can't boot USB' problem. Did we figure out how Mandriva are doing it ? Matthias -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
RPM installation order
I'm looking into a gcl bug (I maintain gcl):
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=541050.
The problem appears to be that the order of RPM installation is
unpredictable. There is a subpackage, gcl-selinux, which provides
policy files for use by other packages that build executables with
gcl. That package installs a policy, gcl.pp, and then does this in
%post:
/usr/sbin/semodule -i %{_datadir}/selinux/packages/gcl/gcl.pp || :
/sbin/fixfiles -R gcl restore || :
This works great when the main gcl package is installed first,
followed by the gcl-selinux package. However, sometimes RPM installs
them in the other order. When that happens, the fixfiles invocation
fails because the main package hasn't been installed yet. Then, once
the main package is installed, the saved gcl image has the wrong
SELinux type, leading to the symptoms described in that bug.
Is there a canonical way of dealing with such issues? I need to run
fixfiles after BOTH gcl and gcl-selinux have been installed. How can
I ensure that? (I suppose I could invoke fixfiles in %post scripts
for both gcl and gcl-selinux, so that whichever one runs last does the
right thing, but that seems unclean.) Thank you,
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Re: RPM installation order
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:29:31 -0700, Jerry James loganje...@gmail.com wrote: This works great when the main gcl package is installed first, followed by the gcl-selinux package. However, sometimes RPM installs them in the other order. When that happens, the fixfiles invocation fails because the main package hasn't been installed yet. Then, once the main package is installed, the saved gcl image has the wrong SELinux type, leading to the symptoms described in that bug. Is there a canonical way of dealing with such issues? I need to run fixfiles after BOTH gcl and gcl-selinux have been installed. How can I ensure that? (I suppose I could invoke fixfiles in %post scripts for both gcl and gcl-selinux, so that whichever one runs last does the right thing, but that seems unclean.) Thank you, Requires(Pre) might solve your problem. If gcl-selinux Requires(Pre):gcl and gcl-selinux runs the fixfiles script in postinstall, I think you will be guaranteed that both gcl-selinux and gcl are installed when the script runs. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: RPM installation order
Jerry James wrote, at 12/01/2009 02:29 AM +9:00:
I'm looking into a gcl bug (I maintain gcl):
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=541050.
The problem appears to be that the order of RPM installation is
unpredictable. There is a subpackage, gcl-selinux, which provides
policy files for use by other packages that build executables with
gcl. That package installs a policy, gcl.pp, and then does this in
%post:
/usr/sbin/semodule -i %{_datadir}/selinux/packages/gcl/gcl.pp || :
/sbin/fixfiles -R gcl restore || :
This works great when the main gcl package is installed first,
followed by the gcl-selinux package. However, sometimes RPM installs
them in the other order.
Umm, I checked F-12 gcl.spec and there is no such Requires relation
between two packages (i.e. -selinux subpackage does not have
Requires: %{name} = %{version}-%{release} or so), so it is natural
that the order is inpredictable.
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Re: RPM installation order
Mamoru Tasaka wrote, at 12/01/2009 02:51 AM +9:00:
Jerry James wrote, at 12/01/2009 02:29 AM +9:00:
I'm looking into a gcl bug (I maintain gcl):
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=541050.
The problem appears to be that the order of RPM installation is
unpredictable. There is a subpackage, gcl-selinux, which provides
policy files for use by other packages that build executables with
gcl. That package installs a policy, gcl.pp, and then does this in
%post:
/usr/sbin/semodule -i %{_datadir}/selinux/packages/gcl/gcl.pp || :
/sbin/fixfiles -R gcl restore || :
This works great when the main gcl package is installed first,
followed by the gcl-selinux package. However, sometimes RPM installs
them in the other order.
Umm, I checked F-12 gcl.spec and there is no such Requires relation
between two packages (i.e. -selinux subpackage does not have
Requires: %{name} = %{version}-%{release} or so), so it is natural
that the order is inpredictable.
Ah, rather gcl package has Requires: gcl-selinux = %{version}-%{release},
so currently I am not sure what you want.
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Re: RPM installation order
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Mamoru Tasaka
mtas...@ioa.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp wrote:
Ah, rather gcl package has Requires: gcl-selinux = %{version}-%{release},
so currently I am not sure what you want.
Ah, right, I'd forgotten that we did that to satisfy the need for a
couple of other packages to have access to the policy without dragging
gcl itself in. So all I need to do is move the fixfiles invocation to
the main package's %post. Thank you!
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Re: Ubuntu Xorg Guru calls for help. Was Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?
Linuxguy123 wrote: http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Ubuntu-X.org-Guru-Calls-for- Desktop-Help They did exactly what some people suggested we do in this thread: stick with an old X.org X11 release and try to fix its bugs on their own. You can see the result in the article and its links. (Hint: it didn't quite work out…) Following upstream like Fedora does clearly looks like the better strategy to me. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: F12: NetworkManager-Firefox: Firefox is currently in offline mode and can't browse the Web
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 10:05 +, Steven Whitehouse wrote: Hi, On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 09:55 +, Terry Barnaby wrote: On 11/29/2009 11:30 PM, Dan Williams wrote: On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 09:10 +, Terry Barnaby wrote: On 11/28/2009 08:35 AM, Rakesh Pandit wrote: 2009/11/28 Terry Barnaby wrote: If the NetworkManager service is running, but not managing the current network connection, then Firefox starts up in offline mode. Is this a bug in NetworkManager or Firefox ? This is odd behaviour and needs to be fixed. I would suggest open up a bug against firefox. I know one can change toolkit.networkmanager.disable preference, but it is a PITA for our users. One of use cases is: Sometime network manager does not connect me via my CDMA usb modem (in case signal is weak), but wvdial does and once I switch from NM to wvdial, my firefox gets to offline mode, which I don't expect it to as I am connected. Ok, filed as: 542078 NetworkManager is intended to control the default internet connection. If NetworkManager cannot control the default internet connection, then you may not want to use NetworkManager. In your case, you're using a mobile broadband device. The real bug here is that for whatever reason, NM/MM aren't connecting your modem, and we should follow up on that bug instead. Dan I am not using a mobile broadband device. The network connection my systems use is not just the Internet it is a local network LAN connection that also serves the internet. Most of my systems use a local network server which provides NIS, /home and /data using NFS and VPN etc. I normally use the service network to bring up wired or wireless networking for this. Fedora, by default, uses NetworkManager to manage all network devices though. I use the service network as, for some reason, the NetworkManager service is started after the netfs and other services are started. Is there a reason for this ?? I can obviously turn of the NetworkManager service, which I have done on the desktop systems. However, I also have a few Laptops that can roam. In F11 and before I have used the network and NetworkManager services. When the laptop boots away from home, the network service fails and I can then use the NetworkManager service to connect to whatever wireless network or G3 network is available. It does seem sensible to me that the system provides applications with info on if the network is up (not just the Internet). The NetworkManager service seems the place to do this and it looks like the applications are starting to use it for this purpose. So maybe a generic NM isNetworkUp() API call is called for ? I think the NetworkManager issue is a confusion between control and monitoring. I've mentioned this before in another context, but there seems to be no reason why these two things should be considered the same. Just because NetworkManager isn't controlling a device doesn't mean that it shouldn't monitor the up/down state of the device and update the applications' idea of the network being up/down accordingly, NetworkManager provides a consistent API for applications to use to interogate the networking situation of the machine. This includes a consistent configuration mechanism and information about the connections in-use, including a nice human name. It includes a per-connection identifier that applications can (and do!) use to perform specific operations when connection state changes. Part of the problem is that if these aren't provided, you loose quite a lot of functionality and usefulness. You can't match up current network config with specific configuration information stored on-disk because there's nothing keeping track of what's happening on the system. It's a lot harder to, say, have Evolution only check your mail when your VPN is up. There's no tracking of connection dependencies so that if say your mobile broadband device goes down and you've got a VPN up, the VPN stays up and just hangs. Or tie VPN and other connections together so that they come up and go down at the same time. There's no consistent tracking of connection time and data usage which NM will soon be doing. That's just the start. I'd assert that good, useful monitoring *requires* a lot of information that only the controller knows. The problem is that in the old system, there was no controller; ifup/ifdown are basically like terrorist cells upon pain of death have almost no knowledge of anything else on the system. Which is why NM attempts to tie a lot of that together in one central location, including configuration, control, and monitoring. Yes, it's harder for experts to create a world-dominating robot with duct tape and bailing wire because most of the parts are already assembled, but for most people it provides a ready-to-use solution with great integration possibilities into your system
Re: RPM installation order
Jerry James wrote: Is there a canonical way of dealing with such issues? I need to run fixfiles after BOTH gcl and gcl-selinux have been installed. How can I ensure that? (I suppose I could invoke fixfiles in %post scripts for both gcl and gcl-selinux, so that whichever one runs last does the right thing, but that seems unclean.) Thank you, Maybe use %posttrans? Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: memset bugs.
On 11/30/2009 11:39 AM, Casey Dahlin wrote: On 11/30/2009 10:39 AM, Peter Jones wrote: On 11/27/2009 02:25 PM, Casey Dahlin wrote: On 11/27/2009 06:03 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 03:28:19AM -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: A literal zero prior to preprocessing is either a bug, or some kind of dead- code causing place-holder. Not necessarily .. the C code itself may be generated from something else. Rich. In which case the C code is no longer source and should be excluded from the analysis. No, when swig (or whatever) produces bad code, we still want the compiler to identify it and toss it. It's then up to the packager to realize it's swig producing the bad code, but it isn't magically good code that doesn't result in real bugs. The compiler isn't doing these checks, but point taken. Go read Jakub's reply again ;) https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-November/msg01966.html -- Peter Sanity's just a one trick pony anyway. You only get one trick -- rational thinking -- but when you're good and crazy, the sky's the limit! -- The Tick -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: RPM installation order
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:00:49 -0700,
Jerry James loganje...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Mamoru Tasaka
mtas...@ioa.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp wrote:
Ah, rather gcl package has Requires: gcl-selinux = %{version}-%{release},
so currently I am not sure what you want.
Ah, right, I'd forgotten that we did that to satisfy the need for a
couple of other packages to have access to the policy without dragging
gcl itself in. So all I need to do is move the fixfiles invocation to
the main package's %post. Thank you!
I don't believe that would be correct. I think you need Requires(Post) or
Requires(Pre) to make sure a package is installed when pre or post scripts
are run.
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Re: F12: NetworkManager-Firefox: Firefox is currently in offline mode and can't browse the Web
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 09:55 +, Terry Barnaby wrote: On 11/29/2009 11:30 PM, Dan Williams wrote: On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 09:10 +, Terry Barnaby wrote: On 11/28/2009 08:35 AM, Rakesh Pandit wrote: 2009/11/28 Terry Barnaby wrote: If the NetworkManager service is running, but not managing the current network connection, then Firefox starts up in offline mode. Is this a bug in NetworkManager or Firefox ? This is odd behaviour and needs to be fixed. I would suggest open up a bug against firefox. I know one can change toolkit.networkmanager.disable preference, but it is a PITA for our users. One of use cases is: Sometime network manager does not connect me via my CDMA usb modem (in case signal is weak), but wvdial does and once I switch from NM to wvdial, my firefox gets to offline mode, which I don't expect it to as I am connected. Ok, filed as: 542078 NetworkManager is intended to control the default internet connection. If NetworkManager cannot control the default internet connection, then you may not want to use NetworkManager. In your case, you're using a mobile broadband device. The real bug here is that for whatever reason, NM/MM aren't connecting your modem, and we should follow up on that bug instead. Dan I am not using a mobile broadband device. The network connection my systems My mistake. I guess it was Rakesh Pandit who was using a CDMA 3G connection. use is not just the Internet it is a local network LAN connection that also serves the internet. Most of my systems use a local network server which provides NIS, /home and /data using NFS and VPN etc. I normally use the service network to bring up wired or wireless networking for this. Fedora, by default, uses NetworkManager to manage all network devices though. I use the service network as, for some reason, the NetworkManager service is started after the netfs and other services are started. Is there a reason for this ?? No particular reason, in fact that looks like a bug. NM no longer depends on HAL, but that dependency is still in the initscript, which looks like it pushes NM later than netfs. But in reality, you're looking for a dependency based initsystem which we don't quite yet have. There are already scripts that kick netfs to mount stuff when NM brings the network up (/etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/05-netfs), so you get asynchronous bootup *and* your mounts. The rest of the system, if it requires something from the mounted directories, needs to be smart enough to know that. If you need to, you can set NETWORKWAIT=yes in /etc/sysconfig/network, which causes the NetworkManager initscript to block until a network connection is brought up, or 30 seconds have passed. I can obviously turn of the NetworkManager service, which I have done on the desktop systems. However, I also have a few Laptops that can roam. In F11 and before I have used the network and NetworkManager services. When the laptop boots away from home, the network service fails and I can then use the NetworkManager service to connect to whatever wireless network or G3 network is available. It does seem sensible to me that the system provides applications with info on if the network is up (not just the Internet). The NetworkManager service seems the place to do this and it looks like the applications are starting to use it for this purpose. So maybe a generic NM isNetworkUp() API call is called for ? See the other mail; the problem with a generic isUp() is that it simply says hey, is there a connection? It doesn't provide enough information about the networking state of the system for anything to make an intelligent decision about anything. It's a hey I'm connected to something but there's no information about *what* you're connected to; whether it's a secure home network, whether it's a slow 3G network, whether it's billed by the minute or the hour or unlimited, etc. Dan -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Bojan Smojver wrote: Rudolf Kastl writes: intel (i965) works fine... You are lucky. Major regressions there in F-12. On my hardware, this used to work when nomodeset was passed to kernel. Now, it doesn't any more. With KMS, on the other hand, hibernate/thaw or suspend/resume causes the whole system to go berserk after a few cycles. So, I'm back to metacity and 2D. Bugs filed, of course, etc. I've got a i965, and while I admit that it's still a little rough, it works mostly fine, with KMS and 3D doing fine. Compiz and GNOME Shell are pretty functional, and suspend and hibernate are nearly flawless (or at least as flawless is on Linux). The only real problem is a conflict with rendering in Qt-demo, but...alas. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: livecds in the future
On 11/30/2009 12:27 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: 3. 'Chain-booting' from cd to usb sounds like an elegant way to avoid the 'Can't boot USB' problem. Did we figure out how Mandriva are doing it ? No, we didn't. There are some things we might be able to do here, though, which may solve this problem without actually chain-booting. The most obvious is to make sure the live image's initrd searches for a USB device with the right filesystem label (and possibly other criteria) and mounts that as root, and then build a liveboot.iso with one boot image and no[1] real filesystem. The boot image would contain the kernel and initrd as the only boot option. This is fairly trivial to do, actually. [1] It'd have to have an iso9660 filesystem with the isolinux/ directory much like our current boot.iso does, but the kernel and initrd there would be the ones from the live image, and we wouldn't put the rest of the live OS on the disc. -- Peter -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?
Le 30/11/2009 19:24, Jud Craft a écrit : On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Bojan Smojver wrote: Rudolf Kastl writes: intel (i965) works fine... You are lucky. Major regressions there in F-12. On my hardware, this used to work when nomodeset was passed to kernel. Now, it doesn't any more. With KMS, on the other hand, hibernate/thaw or suspend/resume causes the whole system to go berserk after a few cycles. So, I'm back to metacity and 2D. Bugs filed, of course, etc. I've got a i965, and while I admit that it's still a little rough, it works mostly fine, with KMS and 3D doing fine. Compiz and GNOME Shell are pretty functional, and suspend and hibernate are nearly flawless (or at least as flawless is on Linux). The only real problem is a conflict with rendering in Qt-demo, but...alas. For the Qt-demo rendering issue on intel, it is fixed by Qt 4.6. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: RPM installation order
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: I don't believe that would be correct. I think you need Requires(Post) or Requires(Pre) to make sure a package is installed when pre or post scripts are run. OK, will do. Thanks for the help. -- Jerry James http://www.jamezone.org/ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Ubuntu Xorg Guru calls for help. Was Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 10:01 -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote: http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Ubuntu-X.org-Guru-Calls-for-Desktop-Help Let's see if I can summarize this article: - we're getting too many bugs - more testing will find more bugs - therefore we should test more so we have fewer bugs Interesting bit of logic there. - ajax signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Ubuntu Xorg Guru calls for help. Was Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?
Le 30/11/2009 18:01, Linuxguy123 a écrit : http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Ubuntu-X.org-Guru-Calls-for-Desktop-Help Instead of whining, he should ask his employer to hire more X hackers, one guy is obviously not *enough*. This has nothing to do with our issue and Fedora at all. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: F12: NetworkManager-Firefox: Firefox is currently in offline mode and can't browse the Web
On 11/30/2009 06:12 PM, Dan Williams wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 09:55 +, Terry Barnaby wrote: On 11/29/2009 11:30 PM, Dan Williams wrote: On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 09:10 +, Terry Barnaby wrote: On 11/28/2009 08:35 AM, Rakesh Pandit wrote: 2009/11/28 Terry Barnaby wrote: If the NetworkManager service is running, but not managing the current network connection, then Firefox starts up in offline mode. Is this a bug in NetworkManager or Firefox ? This is odd behaviour and needs to be fixed. I would suggest open up a bug against firefox. I know one can change toolkit.networkmanager.disable preference, but it is a PITA for our users. One of use cases is: Sometime network manager does not connect me via my CDMA usb modem (in case signal is weak), but wvdial does and once I switch from NM to wvdial, my firefox gets to offline mode, which I don't expect it to as I am connected. Ok, filed as: 542078 NetworkManager is intended to control the default internet connection. If NetworkManager cannot control the default internet connection, then you may not want to use NetworkManager. In your case, you're using a mobile broadband device. The real bug here is that for whatever reason, NM/MM aren't connecting your modem, and we should follow up on that bug instead. Dan I am not using a mobile broadband device. The network connection my systems My mistake. I guess it was Rakesh Pandit who was using a CDMA 3G connection. use is not just the Internet it is a local network LAN connection that also serves the internet. Most of my systems use a local network server which provides NIS, /home and /data using NFS and VPN etc. I normally use the service network to bring up wired or wireless networking for this. Fedora, by default, uses NetworkManager to manage all network devices though. I use the service network as, for some reason, the NetworkManager service is started after the netfs and other services are started. Is there a reason for this ?? No particular reason, in fact that looks like a bug. NM no longer depends on HAL, but that dependency is still in the initscript, which looks like it pushes NM later than netfs. But in reality, you're looking for a dependency based initsystem which we don't quite yet have. There are already scripts that kick netfs to mount stuff when NM brings the network up (/etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/05-netfs), so you get asynchronous bootup *and* your mounts. The rest of the system, if it requires something from the mounted directories, needs to be smart enough to know that. If you need to, you can set NETWORKWAIT=yes in /etc/sysconfig/network, which causes the NetworkManager initscript to block until a network connection is brought up, or 30 seconds have passed. I can obviously turn of the NetworkManager service, which I have done on the desktop systems. However, I also have a few Laptops that can roam. In F11 and before I have used the network and NetworkManager services. When the laptop boots away from home, the network service fails and I can then use the NetworkManager service to connect to whatever wireless network or G3 network is available. It does seem sensible to me that the system provides applications with info on if the network is up (not just the Internet). The NetworkManager service seems the place to do this and it looks like the applications are starting to use it for this purpose. So maybe a generic NM isNetworkUp() API call is called for ? See the other mail; the problem with a generic isUp() is that it simply says hey, is there a connection? It doesn't provide enough information about the networking state of the system for anything to make an intelligent decision about anything. It's a hey I'm connected to something but there's no information about *what* you're connected to; whether it's a secure home network, whether it's a slow 3G network, whether it's billed by the minute or the hour or unlimited, etc. Dan Hi, Thanks for the info. I would have thought that a generic isUp() is good enough for the likes of Firefox and Pidgen though to decide if to start offline. Being connected to a Network is probably all you need, you may be accessing an Intranet as all my systems Firefox home pages do ... Anyway, following your email (And notes in Bugzilla) I thought I'd try and use NM properly for my config. However I have a problem, which may be a bug. I have turned off the Network services and turned on NetworkManger. I have two main network interfaces eth0 (wired) and eth1 (Wifi), both are set to be managed by NM and to start at boot. I have also added NETWORKWAIT=yes in /etc/sysconfig/network. When I boot with this the network (eth1 (eth0 is disconnected)) does not come up at boot. There is a message stating a failure on the line where it is waiting for the network to come up. When I log in as a local user the network then comes up ... I also note that, before the user is logged in, I cannot start the network with service network
Re: F12: NetworkManager-Firefox: Firefox is currently in offline mode and can't browse the Web
On 11/30/2009 01:05 PM, Dan Williams wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 10:05 +, Steven Whitehouse wrote: configuration, control, and monitoring. Yes, it's harder for experts to create a world-dominating robot with duct tape and bailing wire because most of the parts are already assembled, but for most people it provides a ready-to-use solution with great integration possibilities into your system environment. Then stop shipping the duct tape and bailing wire. If things outside of NM aren't going to work right or are going to break other stuff, get rid of them. The only reason not to is what if NM is broken, which is a moot point since offering a broken interface to use as a backup in case another interface is broken makes no sense. Stick with the one we're interested in supporting and deal with that set of bugs. --CJD Dan -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?
For the Qt-demo rendering issue on intel, it is fixed by Qt 4.6. Good to hear! -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Security testing: need for a security policy, and a security-critical package process
Although I have read all of the messages on this thread as of the date/time of this message, I am replying to this first message with all of my comments. My background: I am currently retired but a few years ago I was still being paid the big bucks for working on computer security and security assessment of systems in US classified environments. On the whole, I believe that Adam has outlined a good approach to the problem of doing QA on security for Fedora! General comment: I have read messages which claim that the approach is wrong and that we need to look at things that a user can do rather than what a user cannot do. I disagree. While the right approach for design/development is to assume that a user can do nothing except what they are specifically authorized to do, for security QA this needs to be turned around and the testing needs to demonstrate what a user cannot do. On Monday 23 November 2009 17:08:31 Adam Williamson wrote: We can't do any meaningful security testing without knowing exactly what we should be testing for, in which packages. I believe Seth Vidal's upcoming proposal for covering 'major changes' may touch on this, but I doubt they'll cover exactly the same ground. So, if we are to have meaningful security testing in future releases - which QA believes would be a good thing - we need the project to define a security policy. We believe there's a genuine need for this anyway, as the introduction and widespread adoption of PolicyKit will likely lead to much more complex and significant potential changes in security posture than any previous change. It's not QA's role to define exactly what the security policy should look like or what it should cover, but from the point of view of testing, what we really need are concrete requirements. The policy does not have to be immediately comprehensive - try and cover every possible security-related issue - to be valuable. Something as simple as spot's proposed list of things an unprivileged user must not be able to do - http://spot.livejournal.com/312216.html - would serve a valuable purpose here. +1 A written description of the security policy is a must! Without it being written down in simple english (with translations as appropriate), there will be far too much subjective interpretation of what the policy is. I believe spot's list is a good starting point for F13. However, the policy should consider how Fedora should work with respect to security and not how it does work as currently implemented. For example, you cannot currently login as root from the gui (gdm) interface but you can login as root from a virtual terminal ... is this the way the system should work? Keep it simple (KISS) for the initial attempt. It will grow more complicated all by itself as time passes. BTW, the security policy should assume that a grub password is in use so that a user cannot do something like disabling selinux by editing the kernel command line. This should be tested by the security QA. The second thing QA would require, aside from a policy with concrete and testable requirements, is a list of security-sensitive components to test. Obviously we couldn't test every package in the entire distribution for compliance with even such a simple list as spot's, and it would be a waste of time to try. +1 You definitely need to define a reference implementation that will be tested. Security assurance testing is done on as-built systems ... not as designed! It may be possible but is not practical to test everything. [or will take so long that the release will no longer be supported] Furthermore, I believe you should initially focus on a small subset of what is in Fedora (perhaps gnome only) and with a selected set of services (servers). At this point in time, considering all of the various windows implementations (gnome, kde, openbox, xfce, etc.) will result in a lot of motion but little of it in a forward direction. KISS!!! ... Given a written security policy for Fedora and a written description of the reference implementation that will be tested, these need to be vetted and tuned from comments. After a reasonable amount of time, these documents/specifications should be approved by the Fedora Executive Committee (or whatever). Any variation or change, should require additional approval. There should be some independent oversight of the security QA process to minimize subjective (re)interpretation. This will NOT make everyone happy. Sorry, but there is only so much resources and you really do not want this to be a black hole which consumes everything else. Start small, grow, and learn. Two years from now, the security policy, the reference installation/configurations, and the QA process for securtiy will likely be very different. Gene -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12: Emacs is not for software development
On 11/30/2009 11:49 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 11:26 -0500, Casey Dahlin wrote: On 11/28/2009 10:23 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Debayan Banerjee wrote: Well one does need an editor for development. Assuming vim and emacs have roughly equal user bases, chosing emacs over vim for the distribution shows Fedora packagers' personal preference too. I guess both vim and emacs should be available. Both vim and Emacs are obsolescent and hard to use. Kate FTW! Kevin Kofler On the contrary, they're both quite easy to use. They're just hard to learn. This is intentional. If you're smart enough to use a real man's editor then you're smart enough to send patches to other real men who are writing real men's software. We don't actually want just /anyone/ writing code, do we? (well, Java people do, but its impossible to do anything useful in Java anyway. That's why you need a gigantic resource-intensive IDE to do everything for you). --CJD I guess all the female hackers are just SOL? I consider real men to be a gender-neutral complement. I know women who gladly receive it and exchange it amongst themselves. Not to say that that doesn't necessitate clarification. --CJD -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Security testing: need for a security policy, and a security-critical package process
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 15:09, Gene Czarcinski g...@czarc.net wrote: Although I have read all of the messages on this thread as of the date/time of this message, I am replying to this first message with all of my comments. My background: I am currently retired but a few years ago I was still being paid the big bucks for working on computer security and security assessment of systems in US classified environments. On the whole, I believe that Adam has outlined a good approach to the problem of doing QA on security for Fedora! General comment: I have read messages which claim that the approach is wrong and that we need to look at things that a user can do rather than what a user cannot do. I disagree. While the right approach for design/development is to assume that a user can do nothing except what they are specifically authorized to do, for security QA this needs to be turned around and the testing needs to demonstrate what a user cannot do. On Monday 23 November 2009 17:08:31 Adam Williamson wrote: We can't do any meaningful security testing without knowing exactly what we should be testing for, in which packages. I believe Seth Vidal's upcoming proposal for covering 'major changes' may touch on this, but I doubt they'll cover exactly the same ground. So, if we are to have meaningful security testing in future releases - which QA believes would be a good thing - we need the project to define a security policy. We believe there's a genuine need for this anyway, as the introduction and widespread adoption of PolicyKit will likely lead to much more complex and significant potential changes in security posture than any previous change. It's not QA's role to define exactly what the security policy should look like or what it should cover, but from the point of view of testing, what we really need are concrete requirements. The policy does not have to be immediately comprehensive - try and cover every possible security-related issue - to be valuable. Something as simple as spot's proposed list of things an unprivileged user must not be able to do - http://spot.livejournal.com/312216.html - would serve a valuable purpose here. +1 A written description of the security policy is a must! Without it being written down in simple english (with translations as appropriate), there will be far too much subjective interpretation of what the policy is. I believe spot's list is a good starting point for F13. However, the policy should consider how Fedora should work with respect to security and not how it does work as currently implemented. For example, you cannot currently login as root from the gui (gdm) interface but you can login as root from a virtual terminal ... is this the way the system should work? Keep it simple (KISS) for the initial attempt. It will grow more complicated all by itself as time passes. BTW, the security policy should assume that a grub password is in use so that a user cannot do something like disabling selinux by editing the kernel command line. This should be tested by the security QA. The second thing QA would require, aside from a policy with concrete and testable requirements, is a list of security-sensitive components to test. Obviously we couldn't test every package in the entire distribution for compliance with even such a simple list as spot's, and it would be a waste of time to try. +1 You definitely need to define a reference implementation that will be tested. Security assurance testing is done on as-built systems ... not as designed! It may be possible but is not practical to test everything. [or will take so long that the release will no longer be supported] Furthermore, I believe you should initially focus on a small subset of what is in Fedora (perhaps gnome only) and with a selected set of services (servers). At this point in time, considering all of the various windows implementations (gnome, kde, openbox, xfce, etc.) will result in a lot of motion but little of it in a forward direction. KISS!!! ... Given a written security policy for Fedora and a written description of the reference implementation that will be tested, these need to be vetted and tuned from comments. After a reasonable amount of time, these documents/specifications should be approved by the Fedora Executive Committee (or whatever). Any variation or change, should require additional approval. There should be some independent oversight of the security QA process to minimize subjective (re)interpretation. This will NOT make everyone happy. Sorry, but there is only so much resources and you really do not want this to be a black hole which consumes everything else. Start small, grow, and learn. Two years from now, the security policy, the reference installation/configurations, and the QA process for securtiy will likely be very different. Gene Gene,
Re: Ubuntu Xorg Guru calls for help. Was Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?
Le 30/11/2009 20:28, Jeff Spaleta a écrit : What is your definition of hacker? Is he contributing to X.org upstream development or is he just pulling patchsets to be applied to distribution specific packages? Likely the second option, I'd expect from the company claiming leadership on the desktop to be more active on the X.org front especially when it needs more horsepower. The poor man is suffering hardships, off course, he is all alone managing the whole X stack. The sensible answer would be to ask to hire some help, the better would be X developers, at least someone familiar enough with X code base to provide some support. Not complaining about the flood of bugs. Just as interesting. he's spent most of his time between UDS and that post trying to address nvidia regressions Fwiw, I pretty much ended up spending 100% of my time between release and UDS on SRU bugs (mainly for -nvidia) Yippie for prioritizing regressions in proprietary code! -jef -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: memset bugs.
On 11/30/2009 01:10 PM, Peter Jones wrote: On 11/30/2009 11:39 AM, Casey Dahlin wrote: On 11/30/2009 10:39 AM, Peter Jones wrote: On 11/27/2009 02:25 PM, Casey Dahlin wrote: On 11/27/2009 06:03 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 03:28:19AM -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: A literal zero prior to preprocessing is either a bug, or some kind of dead- code causing place-holder. Not necessarily .. the C code itself may be generated from something else. Rich. In which case the C code is no longer source and should be excluded from the analysis. No, when swig (or whatever) produces bad code, we still want the compiler to identify it and toss it. It's then up to the packager to realize it's swig producing the bad code, but it isn't magically good code that doesn't result in real bugs. The compiler isn't doing these checks, but point taken. Go read Jakub's reply again ;) https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-November/msg01966.html I stand corrected. --CJD -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: F12: NetworkManager-Firefox: Firefox is currently in offline mode and can't browse the Web
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 02:54:22PM -0500, Casey Dahlin wrote: On 11/30/2009 01:05 PM, Dan Williams wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 10:05 +, Steven Whitehouse wrote: configuration, control, and monitoring. Yes, it's harder for experts to create a world-dominating robot with duct tape and bailing wire because most of the parts are already assembled, but for most people it provides a ready-to-use solution with great integration possibilities into your system environment. Then stop shipping the duct tape and bailing wire. If things outside of NM aren't going to work right or are going to break other stuff, get rid of them. The only reason not to is what if NM is broken, which is a moot point since offering a broken interface to use as a backup in case another interface is broken makes no sense. Stick with the one we're interested in supporting and deal with that set of bugs. I will send you a check for $5 if you configure your mailer to do line breaks properly. I am not joking. josh -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: F12: NetworkManager-Firefox: Firefox is currently in offline mode and can't browse the Web
On 11/30/2009 03:26 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 02:54:22PM -0500, Casey Dahlin wrote: On 11/30/2009 01:05 PM, Dan Williams wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 10:05 +, Steven Whitehouse wrote: configuration, control, and monitoring. Yes, it's harder for experts to create a world-dominating robot with duct tape and bailing wire because most of the parts are already assembled, but for most people it provides a ready-to-use solution with great integration possibilities into your system environment. Then stop shipping the duct tape and bailing wire. If things outside of NM aren't going to work right or are going to break other stuff, get rid of them. The only reason not to is what if NM is broken, which is a moot point since offering a broken interface to use as a backup in case another interface is broken makes no sense. Stick with the one we're interested in supporting and deal with that set of bugs. I will send you a check for $5 if you configure your mailer to do line breaks properly. I am not joking. josh *facepalm* T-bird strikes again. Can I claim the money if I just switch mailers, because I'm due. --CJD -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Security testing: need for a security policy, and a security-critical package process
Gene Czarcinski (g...@czarc.net) said: Keep it simple (KISS) for the initial attempt. It will grow more complicated all by itself as time passes. BTW, the security policy should assume that a grub password is in use so that a user cannot do something like disabling selinux by editing the kernel command line. This should be tested by the security QA. That seems very broken. A security policy that is violated on every single out of the box install that doesn't do customization? Bill -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: F12: NetworkManager-Firefox: Firefox is currently in offline mode and can't browse the Web
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 03:28:55PM -0500, Casey Dahlin wrote: On 11/30/2009 03:26 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 02:54:22PM -0500, Casey Dahlin wrote: On 11/30/2009 01:05 PM, Dan Williams wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 10:05 +, Steven Whitehouse wrote: configuration, control, and monitoring. Yes, it's harder for experts to create a world-dominating robot with duct tape and bailing wire because most of the parts are already assembled, but for most people it provides a ready-to-use solution with great integration possibilities into your system environment. Then stop shipping the duct tape and bailing wire. If things outside of NM aren't going to work right or are going to break other stuff, get rid of them. The only reason not to is what if NM is broken, which is a moot point since offering a broken interface to use as a backup in case another interface is broken makes no sense. Stick with the one we're interested in supporting and deal with that set of bugs. I will send you a check for $5 if you configure your mailer to do line breaks properly. I am not joking. josh *facepalm* T-bird strikes again. Can I claim the money if I just switch mailers, because I'm due. I'd count that. I'll watch for a week and if things seem better I'll send your check after you send me your address :). josh -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12: Emacs is not for software development
I consider real men to be a gender-neutral complement. I know women who gladly receive it and exchange it amongst themselves. Since we're offering Casey money to do things¹ today: I will send you a check for $5 if you admit that real men is _in no way_ a gender-neutral compliment. since he had used many of whom instead of many of which when referring to packages, I guess English is not his mother language and in his native language real men could be gender-neutral. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: Hi, On 11/30/2009 11:49 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: I guess all the female hackers are just SOL? I consider real men to be a gender-neutral complement. I know women who gladly receive it and exchange it amongst themselves. Since we're offering Casey money to do things¹ today: I will send you a check for $5 if you admit that real men is _in no way_ a gender-neutral compliment. - Chris. ¹: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/125130 -- Chris Ball c...@laptop.org One Laptop Per Child -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12: Emacs is not for software development
On 12/01/2009 02:59 AM, Muayyad AlSadi wrote: I consider real men to be a gender-neutral complement. I know women who gladly receive it and exchange it amongst themselves. Since we're offering Casey money to do things¹ today: I will send you a check for $5 if you admit that real men is _in no way_ a gender-neutral compliment. since he had used many of whom instead of many of which when referring to packages, I guess English is not his mother language and in his native language real men could be gender-neutral. Real men is always sexist. Rahul -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12: Emacs is not for software development
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 23:49 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Braden McDaniel wrote: I'm an emacs user who's nearly completely useless in vi. But, really... it just doesn't matter if emacs isn't installed by default. If you want it, you know how to get it. And let's be frank: emacs is not something that a user who is unaware of it might stumble into and suddenly find himself blindingly productive. (Nor, for that matter, is vi.) I agree. My problem is not that emacs is missing in development stack. My problem is when there is something wrong with the computer and I have to boot in the rescue mode, I can't rescue anything because emacs is not there. I wrote on a piece of paper how I would save and exit in vi, or exit without saving in vi, but that paper is gone now. I wish vi had some tutorial the way emacs does, so one don't get lost in it. I'd recommend you use nano instead (which is, I believe, installed by default for just this purpose). It has the main keyboard shortcuts permanently displayed on screen, so you can't lose 'em. :) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?
On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 09:23 +, Terry Barnaby wrote: That doesn't scale. There's lots of useful pages in the Wiki. We can't link to all of them from the front page. I was thinking of this more as a special Graphics debug push :) Special cases are never a good idea. and add some search terms such as Graphics Problems, 3D problems etc. I'm not sure you can add search terms to Wiki pages, but if you can, then sure. I would have thought that simply adding the text for these in the page would have helped searching ? It would be rather ugly, though? It's a decent idea, the problem I have with it is you wind up with a forest of little scripts with no decent maintenance strategy. I'd rather have a more integrated and properly maintained tool, it may grow out of abrt in future. Yes, but that the moment the Graphics bugs seem to have random user inputs of information. I would have thought that a simple script to help with just Graphics bugs would help just now. (I am hoping all of the graphics problems will have gone away by next year :) ) This is never a good way of thinking. The more experience you get with working on an ongoing project like a Linux distribution, the more you want to do _everything_ in a properly planned and sustainable framework, because you find that the things you think will just be temporary hacks never ever wind up that way. They just get built into the plumbing and make people's lives miserable forever :) Hoping all graphics problems will go away in a year is definitely not a good way to plan. :) We don't do this except for extreme major brokenness which we somehow missed during testing, it's not worth the effort involved. Fedora Unity does updated re-spins, however they haven't got anything out for F11 yet due to some problems, I believe they're looking for extra volunteers. You say that producing a Fedora 12.1 release is not worth the effort involved. Is that truly the case ? Certainly that is what I always do here. Normally the initial Fedora releases contain quite a few issues and there are a flurry of updates. So I use pungi to create my own updated release that I use to install on further systems. There is very little effort in this and, I would have thought, not to much further testing effort needed. It is a problem that anaconda updates aren't released however. Certainly from the users front I would have thought that this is worth the effort. It allows them to install a Fedora system with the core bugs that users have found fixed in one pass. Building a spin isn't that much work. Validating it (yes, QA would not want to release any image which hadn't been through full installation validation testing) and doing all the other release gubbins which happens as _well_ as just spinning an image is a lot more work. Not doing .1 releases has been the releng's team position for a long time. I'm not in the releng team so I'm not going to argue their position for them, but it is a properly argued one. Jesse can give you full set of reasons if you like, and if he feels like rehashing them :) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?
On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 20:03 +, Ikem Krueger wrote: The Bugzappers also always happy to have more people volunteer to help with X.org bug triage; it's a lot of work to keep on top of. I'd like to help. But the wikipage for testing Xorg issues* is a way to much to read, given the case you follow all the links on the site and you need to do so to get an overview. :S To much confusing for a newb. A real howto with goal, what you need, small steps, final step, conclusion and how it change things would be nice. :) *https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Xorg_problems If you'd like to mock up such a page as a draft and submit it to test-list, that'd be fine. But I'm not sure it's actually possible to make the existing page any _smaller_ without losing valuable information. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Ubuntu Xorg Guru calls for help. Was Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 10:28 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Haïkel Guémar karlthe...@gmail.com wrote: Instead of whining, he should ask his employer to hire more X hackers, one guy is obviously not *enough*. This has nothing to do with our issue and Fedora at all. What is your definition of hacker? Is he contributing to X.org upstream development or is he just pulling patchsets to be applied to distribution specific packages? Just as interesting. he's spent most of his time between UDS and that post trying to address nvidia regressions Fwiw, I pretty much ended up spending 100% of my time between release and UDS on SRU bugs (mainly for -nvidia) Yippie for prioritizing regressions in proprietary code! Nope, Bryce doesn't get to work on upstream in any significant way as part of his Ubuntu work. I was chatting with Dave about this on IRC the other day. The most significant submission to upstream X.org that's ever come out of Ubuntu is a quirk table. (yippee.) As others have said, this post doesn't really teach Fedora any lessons. It could more accurately have been titled 'Why Having Exactly One X Developer Is A Really Bad Idea For A Major Distribution'. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12: Emacs is not for software development
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 23:49 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Braden McDaniel wrote: I'm an emacs user who's nearly completely useless in vi. But, really... it just doesn't matter if emacs isn't installed by default. If you want it, you know how to get it. And let's be frank: emacs is not something that a user who is unaware of it might stumble into and suddenly find himself blindingly productive. (Nor, for that matter, is vi.) I agree. My problem is not that emacs is missing in development stack. My problem is when there is something wrong with the computer and I have to boot in the rescue mode, I can't rescue anything because emacs is not there. I wrote on a piece of paper how I would save and exit in vi, or exit without saving in vi, but that paper is gone now. I wish vi had some tutorial the way emacs does, so one don't get lost in it. I'd recommend you use nano instead (which is, I believe, installed by default for just this purpose). It has the main keyboard shortcuts permanently displayed on screen, so you can't lose 'em. :) I think there's a shortcut to go into advanced mode without those displayed. However, it's probably some finger acrobatic (like all its other shortcuts C-_ to go to line number? wtf?) unlikely to be accidentally pressed, so all should be good for normal usage. - --Ben -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJLFFYEAAoJEKaxavVX4C1XQXoQAIWiR/j/S1FHLiLfo+2ii36V dMUOuPuS0yuXJy6JGk/EAtVE7ie/1L7cYpGkM2RKWu+xZRXKt6d1raMrcK4MDa+k +hYuP00fRKlry7BthgA9VWz3EJWk4WzP/QCDlVyB5+iI+sfbujZvw1gKMCYpR85n EcD0OmJHz9TzElhveasmY68GoTFgz+atm+uaAqJDDl2DVRc0fC8I41jeJMeauEoM WCqHD9tOYDQKGMfZiJmsLj2e1MnnBpr0+heFhswKFc4ZXlvhBLLH5ERAQ5nsZ55q ToWRQ2Ah0xrSHgDFjdNR/uFFFn+3oOqf5+a0TJ32VFf6eoixlTr6nVtiOzonx5RO ZDbw11PZks/CXo4U3s4pIAWRap9mE9llo6/ZvAUI7gCxHlvEzqKR2anYeb1F5ZFK Dj0AWkpPYIGV32EcnQQMC5h175AAoX7QNtlnoe8Xwh3SRS/EszcYxslzIYjelLlK 8+8T5DxAvqwJnROM0sZcEpfLHGEPG39Qk/e8YOELBMpS0VRjzfkeb2rpTopjDUlF EdxCNuKSrU02M+q3oqkEUSaGfMfcrD83O0QVbVOqmSYvKZputXOdQI4ACXauqstu jzrGSu4yKtXJNf2h7rS9Gkf90nMHFc/YbRW2PM3F8+Ky6lLE6jXpO1as0Dydj0cm IJHak47popNC3AQcey7M =CMx8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [RFA] Your [PACKAGE_NAME] did not pass QA
Nicolas Mailhot wrote: When i18n asked what was the exact need for bitmap-fonts no one answered. Legibility? I don't know about font systems, is Terminuis a core font? It is bitmapped, but I don't know if that automatically makes it a core font. -- Matthew Please do not quote my e-mail address unobfuscated in message bodies. -- Do not expose to extreme heat, cold, or open flame. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
[Heads up] goffice = 0.7.16 in rawhide
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, I put updated goffice to 0.7.16 in rawhide. It will affect three packages namely gnumeric, gnu-cash and gnu-chemistry-utils. I am going to update gnumeric to the lastest soon, and i am sure gnu-cash and gnu-chemistry-utils is ready to handle the updated goffice-devel. - -- Regards, Huzaifa Sidhpurwala, RHCE, CCNA (IRC: huzaifas) GnuPG Fingerprint: 3A0F DAFB 9279 02ED 273B FFE9 CC70 DCF2 DA5B DAE5 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFLFKjtzHDc8tpb2uURAqiHAJ4kXIOzSTnookfK662euyIlT9fkSACeL8Xo bMZ6hcJXr3le/oNwpxrktzo= =SyJY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
[Bug 529637] [gu_IN]fontconfig suggests Lohit Gujarati when requesting a font that supports '1', but Lohit Gujarati doesn't have that glyph
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=529637 --- Comment #7 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org 2009-11-30 04:21:52 EDT --- lohit-gujarati-fonts-2.4.4-1.fc12 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 12. http://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/lohit-gujarati-fonts-2.4.4-1.fc12 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 505775] enscript ships with files that use a pfa font extension but are really eps files ; the files should be renamed to foo.eps
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505775 --- Comment #10 from Adam Tkac at...@redhat.com 2009-11-30 07:05:42 EDT --- (In reply to comment #9) If ps3 is really different and not identifiable via magic I suppose this particular bug is really enscript using the pfa extension for eps code. I don't like approach like File has XYZ extension thus it contains ABC content but I will fix this issue to make your scripts happy. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 505775] enscript ships with files that use a pfa font extension but are really eps files ; the files should be renamed to foo.eps
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505775 --- Comment #11 from Adam Tkac at...@redhat.com 2009-11-30 07:06:42 EDT --- *** Bug 477382 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 477044] [Tracker] Deploy new font packaging guidelines for Fedora 11
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=477044 Bug 477044 depends on bug 477382, which changed state. Bug 477382 Summary: [enscript] Please convert to new font packaging guidelines https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=477382 What|Old Value |New Value Status|NEW |CLOSED Resolution||DUPLICATE -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 477382] [enscript] Please convert to new font packaging guidelines
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=477382 Adam Tkac at...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |CLOSED Resolution||DUPLICATE --- Comment #6 from Adam Tkac at...@redhat.com 2009-11-30 07:06:42 EDT --- Actually this seems like a dupe of bug #505775 - file matrix.pfa should be renamed to matrix.eps. *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 505775 *** -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 505775] enscript ships with files that use a pfa font extension but are really eps files ; the files should be renamed to foo.eps
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505775 --- Comment #12 from Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net 2009-11-30 07:29:33 EDT --- (In reply to comment #10) (In reply to comment #9) If ps3 is really different and not identifiable via magic I suppose this particular bug is really enscript using the pfa extension for eps code. I don't like approach like File has XYZ extension thus it contains ABC content but I will fix this issue to make your scripts happy. It is a matter of consistency with other packages. If many of them used pfa for eps code, I wouldn't bother you with it, but a2ps is pretty much one-of-a-kind here, so it's worth transforming almost every pfa file in Fedora is a font to every pfa file in Fedora is a font (makes scripts rpm so much simpler) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 505775] enscript ships with files that use a pfa font extension but are really eps files ; the files should be renamed to foo.eps
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505775 Adam Tkac at...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED Resolution||RAWHIDE --- Comment #13 from Adam Tkac at...@redhat.com 2009-11-30 09:19:09 EDT --- Fixed in enscript-1.6.4-15.fc13. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Issue 31764] Need to support GPOS kerning
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[Bug 525872] Please rebuild using external Adobe CMap and AGLFN data
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[Bug 526633] Review Request: gargi-fonts - A Devanagari font
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[Bug 529637] [gu_IN]fontconfig suggests Lohit Gujarati when requesting a font that supports '1', but Lohit Gujarati doesn't have that glyph
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[Bug 526633] Review Request: gargi-fonts - A Devanagari font
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[Bug 529637] [gu_IN]fontconfig suggests Lohit Gujarati when requesting a font that supports '1', but Lohit Gujarati doesn't have that glyph
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[Bug 526633] Review Request: gargi-fonts - A Devanagari font
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[Bug 526633] Review Request: gargi-fonts - A Devanagari font
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[Bug 542903] New: Please update pango to 1.26.1 version
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: Please update pango to 1.26.1 version https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=542903 Summary: Please update pango to 1.26.1 version Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Platform: All OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: medium Priority: low Component: pango AssignedTo: besfa...@redhat.com ReportedBy: pnem...@redhat.com QAContact: extras...@fedoraproject.org CC: besfa...@redhat.com, fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com Classification: Fedora Target Release: --- Description of problem: update pango version from 1.26.0 to 1.26.1 in rawhide Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): pango-1.26.0-1.fc12 How reproducible: always Steps to Reproduce: 1. 2. 3. Actual results: Expected results: Additional info: -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 540411] [ml_IN] KDE applications display is too small with smc-meera-fonts
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540411 Pravin Satpute psatp...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||ke...@tigcc.ticalc.org, ||lti...@redhat.com, ||rdie...@math.unl.edu, ||t...@redhat.com Component|smc-fonts |qt AssignedTo|psatp...@redhat.com |t...@redhat.com --- Comment #2 from Pravin Satpute psatp...@redhat.com 2009-12-01 02:02:06 EDT --- this is not problem with Meera font but problem with fontconfig and KDE, somehow kde is not using fontconfig file, and thats why scaling of font is not happening correctly. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
rpms/cjkuni-fonts/devel cjkuni-fonts.spec,1.17,1.18
Author: cchance
Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/cjkuni-fonts/devel
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv22675
Modified Files:
cjkuni-fonts.spec
Log Message:
fixes to Mailhot's font audit
Index: cjkuni-fonts.spec
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/cjkuni-fonts/devel/cjkuni-fonts.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.17
retrieving revision 1.18
diff -u -p -r1.17 -r1.18
--- cjkuni-fonts.spec 11 Nov 2009 04:19:33 - 1.17
+++ cjkuni-fonts.spec 1 Dec 2009 07:13:53 - 1.18
@@ -23,8 +23,8 @@ the CJK Unifonts project.
Name:%{fontname}-fonts
Version: 0.2.20080216.1
-Release: 31%{?dist}
-Summary: Chinese Unicode TrueType fonts in Ming and Kai face.
+Release: 32%{?dist}
+Summary: Chinese Unicode TrueType fonts in Ming and Kai face
License: Arphic
Group: User Interface/X
URL: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/CJKUnifonts
@@ -47,7 +47,7 @@ BuildRequires:fontpackages-devel =
%package -n %{fontname}-uming-fonts
Summary: Chinese Unicode TrueType font in Ming face.
Group:User Interface/X
-Obsoletes:%{fontname}-fonts-common
+Obsoletes:%{fontname}-fonts-common 0.2.20080216.1-32
Obsoletes:cjkunifonts-uming 0.2.20080216.1-16
%description -n %{fontname}-uming-fonts
@@ -56,6 +56,7 @@ Obsoletes:cjkunifonts-uming 0.2.20
CJK Unifonts in Ming face.
%files -n %{fontname}-uming-fonts
+%defattr(0644,root,root,0755)
%doc ../%{umingbuilddir}/license
%doc ../%{umingbuilddir}/CONTRIBUTERS
%doc ../%{umingbuilddir}/Font_Comparison_ShanHeiSun_UMing.odt
@@ -80,7 +81,7 @@ CJK Unifonts in Ming face.
%package -n %{fontname}-ukai-fonts
Summary: Chinese Unicode TrueType font in Kai face.
Group:User Interface/X
-Obsoletes:%{fontname}-fonts-common
+Obsoletes:%{fontname}-fonts-common 0.2.20080216.1-32
Obsoletes:cjkunifonts-ukai 0.2.20080216.1-16
%description -n %{fontname}-ukai-fonts
@@ -89,6 +90,7 @@ Obsoletes:cjkunifonts-ukai 0.2.200
CJK Unifonts in Kai face.
%files -n %{fontname}-ukai-fonts
+%defattr(0644,root,root,0755)
%doc ../%{ukaibuilddir}/license
%doc ../%{ukaibuilddir}/CONTRIBUTERS
%doc ../%{ukaibuilddir}/Font_Comparison_ZenKai_UKai.odt
@@ -118,7 +120,7 @@ Requires: ghostscript = 8.63-4
Requires: %{fontname}-uming-fonts = %{version}-%{release}
Requires: %{fontname}-ukai-fonts = %{version}-%{release}
Conflicts:cjkuni-fonts-common = 0.2.20080216.1-19
-Obsoletes:cjkuni-fonts-common
+Obsoletes:cjkuni-fonts-common 0.2.20080216.1-32
%description -n %{fontname}-fonts-ghostscript
%common_desc
@@ -237,19 +239,25 @@ cd ../
%__ln_s %{ukaidir}/ %{buildroot}%{catalogue}/%{name}-ukai
# backward compat to obsoleted ttf
-%__install -m 0755 -d %{buildroot}%{cncompatdir}
-%__install -m 0755 -d %{buildroot}%{twcompatdir}
-%__ln_s %{umingdir}/uming.ttc %{buildroot}%{cncompatdir}/zysong.ttf
-%__ln_s %{umingdir}/uming.ttc %{buildroot}%{twcompatdir}/bsmi00lp.ttf
+#%__install -m 0755 -d %{buildroot}%{cncompatdir}
+#%__install -m 0755 -d %{buildroot}%{twcompatdir}
+#%__ln_s %{umingdir}/uming.ttc %{buildroot}%{cncompatdir}/zysong.ttf
+#%__ln_s %{umingdir}/uming.ttc %{buildroot}%{twcompatdir}/bsmi00lp.ttf
# backward compt to transition dir
-%__ln_s %{umingdir}/ %{buildroot}%{umingtransdir}
-%__ln_s %{ukaidir}/ %{buildroot}%{ukaitransdir}
+#%__ln_s %{umingdir}/ %{buildroot}%{umingtransdir}
+#%__ln_s %{ukaidir}/ %{buildroot}%{ukaitransdir}
%clean
%__rm -fr %{buildroot}
%changelog
+* Wed Dec 01 2009 Caius 'kaio' Chance k at kaio.me - 0.2.20080216.1-32
+- Mailhot's font audit:
+ - Add obsolete package versions.
+ - Add default attributes.
+ - Remove symlinks.
+
* Wed Nov 11 2009 Peng Huang shawn.p.hu...@gmail.com - 0.2.20080216.1-31
- Use latin font to display common ascii in Chinese string
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rpms/cjkuni-fonts/devel cjkuni-fonts.spec,1.18,1.19
Author: cchance
Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/cjkuni-fonts/devel
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv27289
Modified Files:
cjkuni-fonts.spec
Log Message:
remove -compat
Index: cjkuni-fonts.spec
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/cjkuni-fonts/devel/cjkuni-fonts.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.18
retrieving revision 1.19
diff -u -p -r1.18 -r1.19
--- cjkuni-fonts.spec 1 Dec 2009 07:13:53 - 1.18
+++ cjkuni-fonts.spec 1 Dec 2009 07:29:29 - 1.19
@@ -23,7 +23,7 @@ the CJK Unifonts project.
Name:%{fontname}-fonts
Version: 0.2.20080216.1
-Release: 32%{?dist}
+Release: 33%{?dist}
Summary: Chinese Unicode TrueType fonts in Ming and Kai face
License: Arphic
Group: User Interface/X
@@ -137,25 +137,25 @@ CJK Unifonts ghostscript files.
%{gsdir}/CIDFnmap.zh_TW
%{gsdir}/CIDFnmap.zh_CN
-%package -n %{fontname}-fonts-compat
-Summary: Chinese Unicode TrueType font compatibility files.
-Group:User Interface/X
-Requires: %{fontname}-uming-fonts = %{version}-%{release}
-Obsoletes:cjkunifonts-compat 0.2.20080216.1-16
-
-%description -n %{fontname}-fonts-compat
-%common_desc
-
-CJK Unifonts compatibility files.
-
-%files -n %{fontname}-fonts-compat
-%defattr(0644,root,root,0755)
-%dir %{cncompatdir}
-%dir %{twcompatdir}
-%{cncompatdir}/zysong.ttf
-%{twcompatdir}/bsmi00lp.ttf
-%{umingtransdir}
-%{ukaitransdir}
+#%package -n %{fontname}-fonts-compat
+#Summary: Chinese Unicode TrueType font compatibility files.
+#Group:User Interface/X
+#Requires: %{fontname}-uming-fonts = %{version}-%{release}
+#Obsoletes:cjkunifonts-compat 0.2.20080216.1-16
+#
+#%description -n %{fontname}-fonts-compat
+#%common_desc
+#
+#CJK Unifonts compatibility files.
+#
+#%files -n %{fontname}-fonts-compat
+#%defattr(0644,root,root,0755)
+#%dir %{cncompatdir}
+#%dir %{twcompatdir}
+#%{cncompatdir}/zysong.ttf
+#%{twcompatdir}/bsmi00lp.ttf
+#%{umingtransdir}
+#%{ukaitransdir}
%prep
%setup -q -c -T -a1 -n %{umingbuilddir}
@@ -252,6 +252,9 @@ cd ../
%__rm -fr %{buildroot}
%changelog
+* Wed Dec 01 2009 Caius 'kaio' Chance k at kaio.me - 0.2.20080216.1-33
+- Remove -compat.
+
* Wed Dec 01 2009 Caius 'kaio' Chance k at kaio.me - 0.2.20080216.1-32
- Mailhot's font audit:
- Add obsolete package versions.
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rpms/taipeifonts/devel taipeifonts.spec,1.6,1.7
Author: cchance
Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/taipeifonts/devel
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv27699
Modified Files:
taipeifonts.spec
Log Message:
fixes to Mailhots font audit
Index: taipeifonts.spec
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/taipeifonts/devel/taipeifonts.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.6
retrieving revision 1.7
diff -u -p -r1.6 -r1.7
--- taipeifonts.spec25 Sep 2009 00:55:49 - 1.6
+++ taipeifonts.spec1 Dec 2009 07:30:43 - 1.7
@@ -1,10 +1,13 @@
+%define fontname taipeifonts
+%define common_desc Traditional Chinese Bitmap fonts
+
%define bmpfontdir%{_datadir}/fonts/%{name}
%define catalogue /etc/X11/fontpath.d
-Name: taipeifonts
+Name: %{fontname}
Version:1.2
-Release:9%{?dist}
-Summary:Chinese Bitmap Fonts
+Release:10%{?dist}
+Summary:%common_desc
Group: User Interface/X
License:Public Domain
@@ -19,7 +22,7 @@ Source1:ftp://cle.linux.org.tw/pub/C
Source2:
ftp://cle.linux.org.tw/pub/CLE/devel/wjwu/slackware/slackware-10.0/source/%{name}-%{version}/re-build.readme
%description
-Traditional Chinese bitmap fonts.
+%common_desc
%prep
%setup -q
@@ -62,7 +65,7 @@ if [ $1 = 0 ]; then
fi
%files
-%defattr(-, root, root)
+%defattr(0644,root,root,0755)
%doc README
%dir %{bmpfontdir}
%{bmpfontdir}/*.gz
@@ -72,6 +75,11 @@ fi
%{catalogue}/%{name}
%changelog
+* Wed Dec 01 2009 Caius 'kaio' Chance ccha...@redhat.com - 1.2-10.fc12
+- Fixes to Mailhot's font audit.
+ - Add metadata.
+ - Add default attributes.
+
* Fri Sep 25 2009 Caius 'kaio' Chance ccha...@redhat.com - 1.2-9.fc12
- rebuild on dist-f12
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rpms/cjkuni-fonts/devel cjkuni-fonts.spec,1.19,1.20
Author: cchance
Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/cjkuni-fonts/devel
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv30643
Modified Files:
cjkuni-fonts.spec
Log Message:
rebuilt
Index: cjkuni-fonts.spec
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/cjkuni-fonts/devel/cjkuni-fonts.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.19
retrieving revision 1.20
diff -u -p -r1.19 -r1.20
--- cjkuni-fonts.spec 1 Dec 2009 07:29:29 - 1.19
+++ cjkuni-fonts.spec 1 Dec 2009 07:41:47 - 1.20
@@ -23,7 +23,7 @@ the CJK Unifonts project.
Name:%{fontname}-fonts
Version: 0.2.20080216.1
-Release: 33%{?dist}
+Release: 34%{?dist}
Summary: Chinese Unicode TrueType fonts in Ming and Kai face
License: Arphic
Group: User Interface/X
@@ -144,7 +144,7 @@ CJK Unifonts ghostscript files.
#Obsoletes:cjkunifonts-compat 0.2.20080216.1-16
#
#%description -n %{fontname}-fonts-compat
-#%common_desc
+#common_desc
#
#CJK Unifonts compatibility files.
#
@@ -252,6 +252,9 @@ cd ../
%__rm -fr %{buildroot}
%changelog
+* Wed Dec 01 2009 Caius 'kaio' Chance k at kaio.me - 0.2.20080216.1-34
+- rebuild
+
* Wed Dec 01 2009 Caius 'kaio' Chance k at kaio.me - 0.2.20080216.1-33
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RE: Disabling bapp1 for a bit
On Sun, 29 Nov 2009, matt_dom...@dell.com wrote: All of MirrorManager's cronjobs like update-master-directory-list and the crawlers run on bapp1. So getting it back online somewhere would be valuable to me. I got it back online lastnight but forgot to send an update to the list, still working on root cause of what happened as I suspect it'll happen again. -Mike Thanks, Matt -Original Message- From: fedora-infrastructure-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-infrastructure-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mike McGrath Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 8:05 PM To: Fedora Infrastructure List Subject: Disabling bapp1 for a bit I'm disabling bapp1 for a bit until I either build another one or until we get xen13 back online. This won't have a major impact on the users except that some sites won't have up to date data if they are updated (like docs.fedoraproject.org) Atm xen13 doesn't pass a POST so I'll be on the phone with IBM shortly. -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 69, Issue 203
? -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/attachments/20091129/d7596bbd/signature.bin -- Message: 9 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:54:25 -0800 From: jackson byers byers...@gmail.com Subject: Re: kerneloops eating up cpu To: fedora-list@redhat.com, byersjab byers...@gmail.com Message-ID: 3e5960ed0911291554q14ebdf4bw8b74e6df1ddc2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 After googling I found this to be a common problem when some error message is flooding /var/log/messages. Apparently it is ok to killall kerneloops; I did, and this does of course stop it from eating cpu. But it doesn't solve the basic problem, what is flooding the messages file? In my case it is huge number of lines: Nov 29 13:27:04 localhost kernel: [drm:mga_dma_reset] *ERROR* mga_dma_reset called without lock held, held 0 owner f4041ae0 f4041ae0 Nov 29 13:27:04 localhost kernel: [drm:mga_dma_flush] *ERROR* mga_dma_flush called without lock held, held 0 owner f4041ae0 f4041ae0 Nov 29 13:27:04 localhost kernel: [drm:mga_dma_reset] *ERROR* mga_dma_reset called without lock held, held 0 owner f4041ae0 f4041ae0 Nov 29 13:27:04 localhost kernel: [drm:mga_dma_flush] *ERROR* mga_dma_flush called without lock held, held 0 owner f4041ae0 f4041ae0 Nov 29 13:27:04 localhost kernel: [drm:mga_dma_reset] *ERROR* mga_dma_reset called without lock held, held 0 owner f4041ae0 f4041ae0 Nov 29 13:27:04 localhost kernel: [drm:mga_dma_flush] *ERROR* mga_dma_flush called without lock held, held 0 owner f4041ae0 f4041ae0 Nov 29 13:27:04 localhost kernel: [drm:mga_dma_reset] *ERROR* mga_dma_reset called without lock held, held 0 owner f4041ae0 f4041ae0 Nov 29 13:27:04 localhost kernel: [drm:mga_dma_flush] *ERROR* mga_dma_flush called without lock held, held 0 owner f4041ae0 f4041ae0 Any advice on this? Might it be tied to my somewhat frequent X-freezes? As it stands now I will still continue to get the large messages file requiring me to truncate the file, every day or so Jack -- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 00:03:34 + From: jaivuk jai...@googlemail.com Subject: Upgrade from F11 to F12 - problem with LVM and raid To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: a4a0c8c90911291603w7ccaefedu51131e47eb7da...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi guys, I tried to upgrade F11 with soft raid F12. So far I used yum to upgrade Fedora 1 up to F11. My yum update went wrong and my server wes forcefully rebooted in the middle so none kernel from F11 works anymore. After I booted F12 DVD - if I select Install or Upgrade and Replace existing Linux System the probem is that my original raid raids are not mounted. I can see: 6md6: radi1: raid set md0 active with 2 out of 2 mirrors 6md0: detected capacity change from 0 to 3Buffer I/O error on device md0, logical block 0 ... 3Buffer I/O error on device md0, logical block 9 6md0: detected capacity change from to 0 ... 6md: md0 is stopped This whole raid process repeats iteslf several times and it takes about 10-15 minutes. However with Replace existing Linux System option, raid arrays are not mounted successfuly and I cannot install F12 over F11. But when I select rescue option from F12 DVD, the same errors are displayed but my all old arrays are eventually mounted, so I can see all the files. Also once arrays are mounted they appear working and healthy. Do you please have any hint how can I refresh or repair my md arrayrs so it does not take ages before these are mounted and at the first place they are mounted every time? Is there any safe raid command I can do in rescue mode so this is achieved and I won't loss my data? Do you think that my raid arrays created in times of Fefdora 1 can cause this problem? This situation is very painful as I killed my day today trying to fix it without luck :( Thank you very much gyus, Jaiv PS: During my initial tries I reinstalled swap (as it was encrypted on the old system and Anaconda always asked for pw which I do not have) and I did it with the command: mkswap -f -L swap /dev/VolGrolup00/LogVol00 Do you think I could have damaged my raid arrays by using -f option? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/attachments/20091130/a431ce87/attachment.html -- Message: 11 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:16:18 -0800 From: john wendel jwende...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Setting up a VM to run an F12 guest on an XP host To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: 4b130ed2.6060...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 11/29/2009 01:35 PM, Alan Milnes wrote: 2009/11/28 john
Re: anyone noticed this odd firefox glitch?
On Sun, 29 Nov 2009, Tom Horsley wrote: After some recent updates (which included a new ati driver) firefox exhibits this weird behavior on my system. When I start firefox, the first time it gets the focus, it flickers once like it just decided it needed to redraw the whole screen. (I have focus set to follow the mouse). After it does it that once, it is OK, I can move focus back and forth and no flickering happens till I exit firefox and restart it, then I get the initial flicker again. i've seen some trivial but fairly new oddities as well. as i mentioned before, the scroll bar doesn't seem to act consistently. once upon a time, if i clicked way down the scrollbar to page down, firefox would, well, page down. once. now, fairly regularly, it will blow through a massive amount of scrolling down. immediately thereafter, though, it will go back to what i recall as normal behaviour. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
rkhunter warning after updating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bonjour, I updated my f10 this week-end (last update before f10 desappearing...) and today rkhunter sends these warnings: Warning: Application 'exim', version '4.69', is out of date, and possibly a security risk. Warning: Application 'gpg', version '1.4.9', is out of date, and possibly a security risk. Warning: Application 'httpd', version '2.2.11', is out of date, and possibly a security risk. Warning: Application 'named', version '9.5.2', is out of date, and possibly a security risk. Warning: Application 'openssl', version '0.9.8g', is out of date, and possibly a security risk. Warning: Application 'php', version '5.2.9', is out of date, and possibly a security risk. Warning: Application 'sshd', version '5.1p1', is out of date, and possibly a security risk. ??? What can I do else? Upgrade to f12? I don't want to do this now. Are f10 packages so obsolete? Thanks for lights. - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 4286 2145 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksTi8YACgkQdE6C2dhV2JXR1gCeOYqQ+NaLbPTMSdGDJm7YqRaV TMUAn2QUKtpljcXQlVg7cPt0KPAL2R/U =16kj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Suspend option gone in gnome-power applet
2009/11/29 Matthew Saltzman m...@clemson.edu: I'm using the nouveau driver in a fresh F12 installation on a Thinkpad T61. When I click the battery icon on the taskbar, it doesn't show any action choices, such as suspend or shutdown. This was removed in GNOME 2.28.0. For F12 you can enable /apps/gnome-power-manager/ui/show_actions_in_menu in gconf-editor to get them back, but be warned this key won't exist in F13. Richard. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Dependency problems in latest kmod update
Hi, When running an update today I ran into this dependency problem: kernel-uname-r = 2.6.31.6-145.fc12.i686.PAE is needed by package kmod-nvidia-2.6.31.6-145.fc12.i686.PAE-190.42-1.fc12.6.i686 (rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing) However, I'm running 2.6.31.5-127.fc12.i686.PAE and I don't see the 2.6.31.6 kernel in any of the repos (updates or updates-testing) Is there a new kernel? Or is there a problem with the kmod-nvidia package in updates-testing? Sanya Rajan Nedbank Limited Reg No 1951/09/06. The following link displays the names of the Nedbank Board of Directors and Company Secretary. [ http://www.nedbank.co.za/terms/DirectorsNedbank.htm ] This email is confidential and is intended for the addressee only. The following link will take you to Nedbank's legal notice. [ http://www.nedbank.co.za/terms/EmailDisclaimer.htm ] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
