Re: Antibiotics and esophageal ulcers and IBD
They make flagyl in flavored 'treats' now... Your vet should be able to get you some. tNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Julie,I'm calling my vet today to see if we can have the Dox compounded into a flavored liquid. Grace has been using it on and off for a long time now. Michelle Rose, the liaison at my vet's office, told me she has a human friend that swallowed Dox dry (must be a rocket scientist), and burned a hole in his esophagus! I'm also going to ask them if there is another antibiotic that's comparable to Dox, that's not so darn toxic, I'll let you know what they say.My house-call vet found me some liquid Flagil for Gypsy's IBD that didn't taste bad at all, she happily ate it 2x daily for 15 days straight mixed in with some chicken liver, (then she stopped eating all together). He said he gets it in Mexico, if you'd like, I'll pump him for more info about it. Gypsy's condition continues to be just retched, but she's showing improvement now that I have her on a raw-diet. It's the only thing I've found that has shown any benefit, and I've tried alot of different things. I didn't want to run out and purchase a meat grinder etc. because I could just picture jumping through all these hoops to prepare her raw diet, placing the bowl in front of her and having her turn her skinny little nose up at it. I took the easy way and I've been ordering "Instincts TC" from Feline Future Cat Food, http://www.felinefuture.com/products/order.phpand mixing it with muscle meats, liver and hearts. For the first time in a very long time Gypsy's stool has consistency! I've also started giving her "Gentle Naturals, Tummy Soother". It's for human babies with tummy upset. It contains Chamomile, Ginger and Fennel. I just started her on it yesterday, but she seems to be feeling better. Chamomile was one of the things suggested to me for nausea, and ginger is good for diarrhea. If you haven't joined the IBD group, you really should. I'm on digest mode with it, and haven't posted to it yet, but their suggestions have really helped me. Keep me updated on Coco's progress.NinaJulie Johnson wrote: Hi Everyone, I was just talking with my vet Friday night about this very thing. Coco has been quite ill and they have diagnosed IBD. One of the medications he's on right now is Flagyl which tastes wretched. Wendy mentioned not to put that one in food because kitty will take a bite, see how yucky it is and then not eat. I mentioned that I only put meds in food for the ferals and everyone else gets a syringe of water after a pill so hopefully it wouldn't leave too much of a taste in his mouth. I read the start of a study on this topic by the Winn Feline Foundation a few years ago; could never find the end of the study, but it made sense to me. How very uncomfortable it must feel, too! As we were talking about it, she mentioned that doxycycline is infamous for it's potential to cause damage. I'm not using it, but she did say that my method of syringing in about 3cc's of water would really minimize problems with that drug. Even if it's being given in a liquid form, I think 'flushing' with a water chaser would be a good idea. Hope this helps!! Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
RE: OT-need advise
They drew from her leg.Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Do you remember what part of her body your vet drew blood from? My vet does it from under the chin area which sort of makes it difficult to cover her completely with a towel, I thought --- -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Friday, March 18, 2005 6:43 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT-need advise I trapped my feral by putting canned food in carriers. All the cats went in to eat, and finally she did too and I closed the door behind her. This worked several times over the years. I didn't take her in to the vet every year. When I got to the vet's, they just threw a towel over her, kept her covered and were able to draw blood, vaccinate, etc without sedating her.. And she was VERY feral. When she got sick last year and I had to catch her and couldn't get her to go for the feeding idea she bit me very badly twice. Still, once I caught her the vet was able to handle her at the office without sedation. tonyaCherie A Gabbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I had a very feral kitty and we used a long net to catch her to sedate her then she freaked out and had a heart attack, after the shot instead of mellowing it just plain freaked her out, and killed her.Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When we were taking Gypsy in for her tests she was still very feral. We tried to dose her with a sedative to calm her enough to put her in a carrier. She was so drunk that we thought it would be easy. Not so. It seemed like her being that drunk only made her more upset. She was fighting so hard that we were very lucky she didn't hurt herself, (my poor husband did get bit!). I think not being in control of her body made her even more anxious about the capture. The next time we took her to the vet, we didn't sedate her. It was actually easier to capture her, and she didn't try to bite either of us. I would either knock her out with enough medication to keep her sedated until they do the blood work, (ask your vet), or use the Feliway and Rescue Remedy to help calm her. If Buddha is as feral as it sounds, and because she's been through so much lately, I'd think about having a house-call vet come. Give her the RR, (you can use it like a transdermal on the inside tip of her ear, don't get it in her ear canal), put her somewhere that's been heavily sprayed with Feliway and wait for her to be calm. Then have the vet sedate her, then take the blood. That will save her the stress of a car ride and having to go to the vet's office. Just my 2 cents.NinaHideyo Yamamoto wrote: I need an advise from you I am planning to take Buddha (squeekie) for blood test to make sure that everything is ok before I merge her with mine I can pet her, but she is not completely socialized and heres a sort of my dilemma as to how to get blood out of her One way to anthetize (?) her first so that she doesnt have to be awake when they do that, and another thing is to give her drowsy drug (called Acepromazine) to make her bit sleepy prior to the appointment (risk: it can cause a seizure) so I am not sure what to do any suggestions I really hate to do either but also I hate the idea of stressing her out trying to get a blood out of her, and it might not even be possible.
Re: Pekoe & Digby - Update - Antibiotics, esophagus ulcers?
She is really pretty wonderful about it. We have a ritual. I place her
on the counter and hug her to me while I take a deep breath. I ask her
if she's ready. She'll look at me with resignation, swallow a couple of
times and then close her eyes. She's such a good girl.
Nina
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's a good idea. But I wonder if Grace thinks of the pilling as
something the two of you do together-- you describe it as such a
cooperative endeavor ("occasionally Grace and I have a hard time
pilling")! It made me laugh.
Michelle
In a message dated 3/21/05 5:27:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
One of the things I'm picking up at the health food store today
will be gel caps. I'm going to try putting the Dox in a gel cap
instead of the Lifesaver chews. Occasionally Grace and I have a
hard time pilling and the chew can get stuck to one of her teeth,
(not a pleasant experience!). Also, I've aways felt a bit
uncomfortable adding sugar to her diet! I'll let you know how it
goes.
Nina
RE: Anyone in the Carolinas able to take a FeLV positive kitty?
I am in the same situation as you are – I know that there are lots of people on the list who mix their negatives with positives and they vaccinate negative ones and sound like their negative ones remain negative that way – But since I have 20 plus negatives and I don’t vaccinate my cats – it was hard for me to consider mixing negatives with my Ginger who is positive – but I have kept her, and am intended to keep her as for the rest of my (and her life), separately from my negative ones – is it at all possible for TC? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephanie E Caldwell Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 3:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Anyone in the Carolinas able to take a FeLV positive kitty? I have been adopted by a very sweet older Tom Cat who has FeLV. He’s at the vet now getting fluids and antibiotics along with a Rabies shot, he had a secondary infection from fighting. I am not able to keep him as an inside kitty as I have other cats and don’t want them infected. Is anyone here in a position to take TC (Tom Cat). He’s a large tom, solid white, one blue eye and one gold eye. Very sweet kitty, purrs and sleeps at your feet. Please let me know ASAP if you can take TC! Steph
Re: Pekoe & Digby - Update - Antibiotics, esophagus ulcers?
That's a good idea. But I wonder if Grace thinks of the pilling as
something the two of you do together-- you describe it as such a cooperative
endeavor ("occasionally Grace and I have a hard time pilling")! It made me
laugh.
Michelle
In a message dated 3/21/05 5:27:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
One of
the things I'm picking up at the health food store today will be gel
caps. I'm going to try putting the Dox in a gel cap instead of the
Lifesaver chews. Occasionally Grace and I have a hard time pilling and
the chew can get stuck to one of her teeth, (not a pleasant
experience!). Also, I've aways felt a bit uncomfortable adding sugar to
her diet! I'll let you know how it goes.Nina
Anyone in the Carolinas able to take a FeLV positive kitty?
I have been adopted by a very sweet older Tom Cat who has FeLV. He’s at the vet now getting fluids and antibiotics along with a Rabies shot, he had a secondary infection from fighting. I am not able to keep him as an inside kitty as I have other cats and don’t want them infected. Is anyone here in a position to take TC (Tom Cat). He’s a large tom, solid white, one blue eye and one gold eye. Very sweet kitty, purrs and sleeps at your feet. Please let me know ASAP if you can take TC! Steph
Re: Pill Pockets for giving Meds.
i have two who absolutely cannot wait for their vitamins every morning in those darn things. when any of the others need meds, i have to tear up one pill pocket for them to snack on and then hide the one with the pill in their wet food. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. go figure... barbara
Re: Pekoe & Digby - Update - Antibiotics, esophagus ulcers?
One of the things I'm picking up at the health food store today will be gel caps. I'm going to try putting the Dox in a gel cap instead of the Lifesaver chews. Occasionally Grace and I have a hard time pilling and the chew can get stuck to one of her teeth, (not a pleasant experience!). Also, I've aways felt a bit uncomfortable adding sugar to her diet! I'll let you know how it goes. Nina Melbeach wrote: Has anyone else had any problems with esophagus ulcers? I'm asking because when I started giving Brissle liquid dox, one time right after giving it to her and she sat there spitting it out, there was some blood mixed in. I checked it out and sure enough, it's a known issue in humans that dox can cause esophagus ulcers. The way to stop it is to stop the dox for a few days. So I stopped and it seems to be okay now. Here's the abstract that talks about it: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10068737&dopt=Abstract. I guess this could apply to all antibiotics? Or at least the tetracylates? At any rate, I think it's important to keep the antibiotic from physically touching the mouth or throat. I liked Nina's suggestion of wrapping with Life Saver chews. Haven't tried it yet, as Brissle is off the antibiotics for now. But next time. Marlene, what are Pill Pockets? -Kyle - Original Message - From: Marlene Chornie To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: Re: Pekoe & Digby - Update Nina, I use the compounded liquid form of Doxycycline. Until the liquid form came in, the vet gave me a few pills to start with, which they broke up for me since his dose was 1/3 tab. twice a day. When I gave the pills, I used these things called Pill Pockets and they worked quite well. I did receive your post about the VO availability in Canada, but the email address posted as "Email Protected". I tend to agree with letting Pekoe remain "pudgy". My intent with his weight is to reach a "happy medium" so to speak, as I wouldn't want him to develop other problems on top of everything else. I neglected to mention in my update post that our vet did her University thesis on FelV when she was in vet school, and she also organizes continuing education seminars, etc. for vets in our area. She has always given us sound advice in the past and we are so fortunate to have someone of her calibre as our vet. Marlene
Re: OT: transport option
Thanks I will look into it[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those of you looking for long-distance transport options, check out http://www.flyingpaws.org . Michelle
OT: transport option
For those of you looking for long-distance transport options, check out http://www.flyingpaws.org . Michelle
CLS for Monday March 21, 2005
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Re: Antibiotics and esophageal ulcers and IBD
Hi Julie, I'm calling my vet today to see if we can have the Dox compounded into a flavored liquid. Grace has been using it on and off for a long time now. Michelle Rose, the liaison at my vet's office, told me she has a human friend that swallowed Dox dry (must be a rocket scientist), and burned a hole in his esophagus! I'm also going to ask them if there is another antibiotic that's comparable to Dox, that's not so darn toxic, I'll let you know what they say. My house-call vet found me some liquid Flagil for Gypsy's IBD that didn't taste bad at all, she happily ate it 2x daily for 15 days straight mixed in with some chicken liver, (then she stopped eating all together). He said he gets it in Mexico, if you'd like, I'll pump him for more info about it. Gypsy's condition continues to be just retched, but she's showing improvement now that I have her on a raw-diet. It's the only thing I've found that has shown any benefit, and I've tried alot of different things. I didn't want to run out and purchase a meat grinder etc. because I could just picture jumping through all these hoops to prepare her raw diet, placing the bowl in front of her and having her turn her skinny little nose up at it. I took the easy way and I've been ordering "Instincts TC" from Feline Future Cat Food, http://www.felinefuture.com/products/order.php and mixing it with muscle meats, liver and hearts. For the first time in a very long time Gypsy's stool has consistency! I've also started giving her "Gentle Naturals, Tummy Soother". It's for human babies with tummy upset. It contains Chamomile, Ginger and Fennel. I just started her on it yesterday, but she seems to be feeling better. Chamomile was one of the things suggested to me for nausea, and ginger is good for diarrhea. If you haven't joined the IBD group, you really should. I'm on digest mode with it, and haven't posted to it yet, but their suggestions have really helped me. Keep me updated on Coco's progress. Nina Julie Johnson wrote: Hi Everyone, I was just talking with my vet Friday night about this very thing. Coco has been quite ill and they have diagnosed IBD. One of the medications he's on right now is Flagyl which tastes wretched. Wendy mentioned not to put that one in food because kitty will take a bite, see how yucky it is and then not eat. I mentioned that I only put meds in food for the ferals and everyone else gets a syringe of water after a pill so hopefully it wouldn't leave too much of a taste in his mouth. I read the start of a study on this topic by the Winn Feline Foundation a few years ago; could never find the end of the study, but it made sense to me. How very uncomfortable it must feel, too! As we were talking about it, she mentioned that doxycycline is infamous for it's potential to cause damage. I'm not using it, but she did say that my method of syringing in about 3cc's of water would really minimize problems with that drug. Even if it's being given in a liquid form, I think 'flushing' with a water chaser would be a good idea. Hope this helps!! Julie "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948) Paws Come WITH Claws!!! If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
RE: OT-need advise
Do you remember what part of her body your vet drew blood from? My vet does it from under the chin area – which sort of makes it difficult to cover her completely with a towel, I thought --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 6:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT-need advise I trapped my feral by putting canned food in carriers. All the cats went in to eat, and finally she did too and I closed the door behind her. This worked several times over the years. I didn't take her in to the vet every year. When I got to the vet's, they just threw a towel over her, kept her covered and were able to draw blood, vaccinate, etc without sedating her.. And she was VERY feral. When she got sick last year and I had to catch her and couldn't get her to go for the feeding idea she bit me very badly twice. Still, once I caught her the vet was able to handle her at the office without sedation. tonya Cherie A Gabbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I had a very feral kitty and we used a long net to catch her to sedate her then she freaked out and had a heart attack, after the shot instead of mellowing it just plain freaked her out, and killed her. Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When we were taking Gypsy in for her tests she was still very feral. We tried to dose her with a sedative to calm her enough to put her in a carrier. She was so drunk that we thought it would be easy. Not so. It seemed like her being that drunk only made her more upset. She was fighting so hard that we were very lucky she didn't hurt herself, (my poor husband did get bit!). I think not being in control of her body made her even more anxious about the capture. The next time we took her to the vet, we didn't sedate her. It was actually easier to capture her, and she didn't try to bite either of us. I would either knock her out with enough medication to keep her sedated until they do the blood work, (ask your vet), or use the Feliway and Rescue Remedy to help calm her. If Buddha is as feral as it sounds, and because she's been through so much lately, I'd think about having a house-call vet come. Give her the RR, (you can use it like a transdermal on the inside tip of her ear, don't get it in her ear canal), put her somewhere that's been heavily sprayed with Feliway and wait for her to be calm. Then have the vet sedate her, then take the blood. That will save her the stress of a car ride and having to go to the vet's office. Just my 2 cents. Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I need an advise from you – I am planning to take Buddha (squeekie) for blood test to make sure that everything is ok before I merge her with mine – I can pet her, but she is not completely socialized – and here’s a sort of my dilemma as to how to get blood out of her – One way to anthetize (?) her first so that she doesn’t have to be awake when they do that, and another thing is to give her drowsy drug (called Acepromazine) to make her bit sleepy prior to the appointment (risk: it can cause a seizure) – so I am not sure what to do – any suggestions – I really hate to do either – but also I hate the idea of stressing her out trying to get a blood out of her, and it might not even be possible.
RE: Pill Pockets for giving Meds.
Tucson gobbles them up but Big Boy just sort of looked at me like—‘what is this supposed to be!’ Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Pill Pockets for giving Meds. Pill pockets are a great product and work great for our dogs, but I can not get any of my cats or the cats at the shelter to take them. Simon ate them a few times but then did not want them, and he is the only one who would even try them. I tried both flavors. Has anyone actually had luck giving them to cats? Michelle In a message dated 3/21/05 9:56:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pill Pockets are healthy treats that you can place a pill inside, pinch it closed and the cat will eat it. They come in two flavours - Chicken and Salmon - and there's about 45 treats per bag. I got them through my vet (because I'm located in Canada), but I believe you can mail order them or get them through your vet in the U.S. Their website is -www.pillpockets.com . When I give Pekoe the liquid Doxycycline, I just mix it in his canned food and he eats it all. My vet did say that if given in pill form, it should be followed by food because the pill can tend to stick in their throat causing ulcerations. Marlene
Antibiotics and esophageal ulcers
Hi Everyone, I was just talking with my vet Friday night about this very thing. Coco has been quite ill and they have diagnosed IBD. One of the medications he's on right now is Flagyl which tastes wretched. Wendy mentioned not to put that one in food because kitty will take a bite, see how yucky it is and then not eat. I mentioned that I only put meds in food for the ferals and everyone else gets a syringe of water after a pill so hopefully it wouldn't leave too much of a taste in his mouth. I read the start of a study on this topic by the Winn Feline Foundation a few years ago; could never find the end of the study, but it made sense to me. How very uncomfortable it must feel, too! As we were talking about it, she mentioned that doxycycline is infamous for it's potential to cause damage. I'm not using it, but she did say that my method of syringing in about 3cc's of water would really minimize problems with that drug. Even if it's being given in a liquid form, I think 'flushing' with a water chaser would be a good idea. Hope this helps!! Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
Re: Pill Pockets for giving Meds.
Pill pockets are a great product and work great for our dogs, but I can not get any of my cats or the cats at the shelter to take them. Simon ate them a few times but then did not want them, and he is the only one who would even try them. I tried both flavors. Has anyone actually had luck giving them to cats? Michelle In a message dated 3/21/05 9:56:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pill Pockets are healthy treats that you can place a pill inside, pinch it closed and the cat will eat it. They come in two flavours - Chicken and Salmon - and there's about 45 treats per bag. I got them through my vet (because I'm located in Canada), but I believe you can mail order them or get them through your vet in the U.S. Their website is -www.pillpockets.com . When I give Pekoe the liquid Doxycycline, I just mix it in his canned food and he eats it all. My vet did say that if given in pill form, it should be followed by food because the pill can tend to stick in their throat causing ulcerations. Marlene
Re: Angel's Gate- My Felix
I just wanted to thank everyone who replied to my post about Felix. I miss him so much. I find myself looking at the clock all the time still...I fed him smaller portions throughout the day, he had better luck keeping his food down that way. I just thank God that there are people like Susan & Victor out there. They are truely angels! Patti
OT pse ignore - this is a test
I'm testing to see if I'm back on the listfingers and paws crossed! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 2:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: One down Cherie, It could certainly be stress from the trip and relocation. If he came to you in that condition, who knows what his care has been like. I'm praying it isn't IBD, but it's way to soon to know that. I would keep him isolated, warm and comfortable. You might want to think about making a heating pad set on low available to him, (wrap it in bedding and allow enough room for him to escape it, if it gets too warm). Do his ears feel hot? How old is he? Give him time to calm down and adjust and keep a close eye on him. Poor little angel. Thor's very lucky to have found his way to you. Nina Cherie A Gabbert wrote: > Well, you guys I got one of my new kitties yesterday, it was a horrid > expierence. The gal called me from KY and told me the kitty was going > to get flown, I have never done that before so, I asked questions, and > told her to put a blanket in with him and a washcloth over the grate, > of course I would pay. When I picked Thor (he growls at everybody, the > name fits, he is definately the god of thunder) up at the airport, no > washcloth over the grate, no blanket just a kitchen towel. He purred > in my lap all the way home...does not like anybody or anything about > this house yet, he will get used to it. > > So all is well I kept them seperated last night, but probally about 2 > hours ago he starts vomiting, and having diahrea, so now I am at a > loss, he is skinny and he came dirty and there was dirt in his ears > and his coat was matted, I have combed out some and cleaned his ears, > but now he is just hiding behind my desk he only comes out to > pukeany thoughtscould it still be the stress of the trip? > > I have one more coming next week and then I am full to capacity ;-)) > > Thanks > Cherie This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Pill Pockets for giving Meds.
Pill Pockets are healthy treats that you can place a pill inside, pinch it closed and the cat will eat it. They come in two flavours - Chicken and Salmon - and there's about 45 treats per bag. I got them through my vet (because I'm located in Canada), but I believe you can mail order them or get them through your vet in the U.S. Their website is -www.pillpockets.com . When I give Pekoe the liquid Doxycycline, I just mix it in his canned food and he eats it all. My vet did say that if given in pill form, it should be followed by food because the pill can tend to stick in their throat causing ulcerations. Marlene
Re: Pekoe & Digby - Update - Antibiotics, esophagus ulcers?
It's a gel that comes in a tube and has lots of nutrients and calories and is formulated to taste good to cats and dogs so it can be given as a supplement or food substitute when they are sick or underweight. Because it's so gooey, it coats pills well too. Most if not all vets sell it over the counter. Pet food stores usually carry something similar called Nutristat, and there are other things like it called Felovite and other things. Michelle In a message dated 3/21/05 8:38:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, what's Nutrical? -Kyle
RE: Loki Update
Steve My thoughts are with you I will keep you both in my thoughts. Carla
Re: Pekoe & Digby - Update - Antibiotics, esophagus ulcers?
Michelle, what's Nutrical? -Kyle - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:08 AM Subject: Re: Pekoe & Digby - Update - Antibiotics, esophagus ulcers? I put the dox in a glob of Nutrical, which also works. I make sure it is totally covered with the stuff. The Nutrical also makes the pill go down easy, and they like the taste. Michelle In a message dated 3/21/05 8:04:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At any rate, I think it's important to keep the antibiotic from physically touching the mouth or throat. I liked Nina's suggestion of wrapping with Life Saver chews. Haven't tried it yet, as Brissle is off the antibiotics for now. But next time.
Re: Pekoe & Digby - Update - Antibiotics, esophagus ulcers?
I put the dox in a glob of Nutrical, which also works. I make sure it is totally covered with the stuff. The Nutrical also makes the pill go down easy, and they like the taste. Michelle In a message dated 3/21/05 8:04:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At any rate, I think it's important to keep the antibiotic from physically touching the mouth or throat. I liked Nina's suggestion of wrapping with Life Saver chews. Haven't tried it yet, as Brissle is off the antibiotics for now. But next time.
Re: Pekoe & Digby - Update - Antibiotics, esophagus ulcers?
Has anyone else had any problems with esophagus ulcers? I'm asking because when I started giving Brissle liquid dox, one time right after giving it to her and she sat there spitting it out, there was some blood mixed in. I checked it out and sure enough, it's a known issue in humans that dox can cause esophagus ulcers. The way to stop it is to stop the dox for a few days. So I stopped and it seems to be okay now. Here's the abstract that talks about it: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10068737&dopt=Abstract. I guess this could apply to all antibiotics? Or at least the tetracylates? At any rate, I think it's important to keep the antibiotic from physically touching the mouth or throat. I liked Nina's suggestion of wrapping with Life Saver chews. Haven't tried it yet, as Brissle is off the antibiotics for now. But next time. Marlene, what are Pill Pockets? -Kyle - Original Message - From: Marlene Chornie To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: Re: Pekoe & Digby - Update Nina, I use the compounded liquid form of Doxycycline. Until the liquid form came in, the vet gave me a few pills to start with, which they broke up for me since his dose was 1/3 tab. twice a day. When I gave the pills, I used these things called Pill Pockets and they worked quite well. I did receive your post about the VO availability in Canada, but the email address posted as "Email Protected". I tend to agree with letting Pekoe remain "pudgy". My intent with his weight is to reach a "happy medium" so to speak, as I wouldn't want him to develop other problems on top of everything else. I neglected to mention in my update post that our vet did her University thesis on FelV when she was in vet school, and she also organizes continuing education seminars, etc. for vets in our area. She has always given us sound advice in the past and we are so fortunate to have someone of her calibre as our vet. Marlene
Re: Blood Clot
It's indicative of a heart problem. If you want to try to treat it, you might want to take her to a veterinary cardiologist. My cat Snowball died from a blood clot. I had him on a lot of meds from a cardiologist, but I think his heart was in very bad shape by the time I took him there. He was not FeLV+, but he was FIV+. Michelle
RE: Loki Update
Steve, I am so sorry to read the Loki is so ill. I am glad though that Loki has such a compassionate father who will conquer his own sadness to help Loki keep his quality of life and keep him pain free. Take care, Joan -Original Message- From: Steve Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 7:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Loki Update First off, in addition to the other nice notes, thank you Jen, Hideyo and Terri for your prayers and healing vibes... and I am so glad Thor is coming around. I did take Loki in to the vet. It was difficult to get a spot, but eventually found a vet very near my house so as not to upset Loki with a long ride. The initial prognosis did not look good, so I had x-rays taken. The x-rays showed that Loki's lungs were only expanding to half their normal size which means something else was taking space within the cavity. In addition, the Trachea was pushed up to the spine, which suggests the cavity did not just have excessive fluid, but that a tumor was taking the space. I was given lots of options, but I can't do most of them or put Loki through hell. In the end, I asked for, and will probably take the doctors opinion, which is to make him comfortable and take the weekend to say my goodbyes. He is living with the pronounced lung action just okay, but I know it is hard to be perfectly comfortable for him with the distressed breathing. I don't think he has pain per se, but letting him go on too many more days like this, I think gets to the point of becoming painful. I hadn't mentioned it before, but Loki's left eye sometimes dilates much more than the right. This is a sign of a viral infection, FeLV+ or otherwise. Once again, not a good sign, especially with everything else. The doctor gave me some meds to try to alleviate things, for the short term. I'm giving him Furosimide, a diuretic to help with the excessive fluids (I will not subject him to the trauma of extracting the excessive fluid with a needle), and antibiotics to help with a slight, but lingering URI. All this should help his breathing a tiny bit. When it gets worse, or I feel the happy days with him no longer offsets the lingering lack of comfort, I will PTS. This has been a long hard road. I tried, but it was difficult to maintain composure at the vets office. I know I will crash hard after Loki goes. I just can't stand what this disease does. Steve
RE: Angel's Gate- My Felix
Title: Message Patti, I just wanted you to know that I think you did the best and kindest thing to help Felix. What a lucky guy he is to have known you. Take care, Joan -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 8:54 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Angel's Gate- My Felix Sadly, Felix (non-positive) made the trip to the No. Shore on Long Island, NY. and Felix is now under the loving, and MUCH needed health care w/ Susan and Victor. Felix is 19 years old, I rescued him and his brother Oscar 10 years ago after their owner committed suicide. They were so depressed, and initially the stress of shelter life almost did kill Felix. And since they were siblings I did not want to split them up. I lost Oscar to cancer about 2 years ago. Felix has always had problems off and on w/ IBD, But in this last year. he has gotten much worse. My holistic vet started him on "Arsenicum Album", a tissue salt and Felix does exceptionally well while on it. He was diagnosed w/ CRF three years ago, For the past 2 1/2 years his condition has remained stable. He took a turn for the worse a month ago.. He needs special care 24/7 and needs to be monitored very closely. Originally Feliix weighed 11.4 lbs, yesterda he weighed only 4.5 lbs, ---no more tissue mass. Looks like a bag of bones w/ a gorgeous red tabby coat. Despite all of his medical problems, Felix is not ready to vacate his earhbound soul...HE STILL LOVES LIFE!! And so many little things, but eating is his favorite! He loves to be held & cuddled, purrs like a raspy ole granpa! He loves his walks...I walk him thru the woods here on a leash and here loves watching birds, squirrels, whatever. I think at one time in his life w/ previous owner, he was probably quite the "hunter". His last blood panel was very bad. He declined so fast. But he srtll loves life, so I could not euthanize him. At this time, I am going thru many major, personal problems(tragedies) I must sell my home and I worry where will I go w/ the furbabies. Every day I have between 5-6 showings. I had Felix set up comfortably in the bath, but that was no life! And it wasn't "understood" by realtors why I would not show that bath,,,I just did not want to disturb the poor old man,Whenever he came out he headed straight to the deck doors so he could absorb what was going on in the "outside" world... I wrestled w/ the diff. options available. Euthanasia was NOT even an option, I knew he would do poorly again if returned to orig. shelter, hell, they'd probably euthanize him too!! I met Susan Marino, along w/ Dr. Marty Greenstein at a PAWS protest march against puppy mills in Harrisburg, Pa. (Wonderful , compassionate woman..and pet hospices were such a new, novel idea at the time...I think they still are.) After weeks and weeks, I finally got in touch w/ Susan. She agreed to take Felix, even tho' thry have a long waiting list. I think it's a kind of "professional courtesy" thing, since I've been involved in rescue practically my whole life. They do belief in the use of alternative medicine, which I also do, They also must use traditional vets when the need is warranted. Most of the residents are fed the "raw" diet. Victor asked me if Felix would go for it, and I said most definitely. I mean, he's the only cat I've ever met that loved the original canned KD! Thr place is immaculate, absolutely spotless, I don't kmow how the ymanage keeping uo w/ such a large household of critters!! And Victor and Susan have to be two of the best people I have ever met by far!! I highly reccommend them & Angel's Gate. It was very hard leaving Felix, but he was already making new friendand exploring...jumping on chairs, windowsills and even Sue & Vic's bed! Hell, he said most sleep with them every night, Felix genuinely looked very excited and happ.y Also, inquisitive. And I was so proud of him, he minded his manners, not so much as a swat or a hiss from him! Felix is definitely in the right place. And of course, I will get regular updates... Got to close, I am crying again
