Re: Naomi has become an angel...
Oh Hideyo, I am in tears. I am so sorry that Naomi couldn't stay longer. I amglad she passed in your arms experiencing your love for her. What a gift she gave you, waiting for you, and so many more gifts her life brought to you.Gina Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Thank you very much for all your prayers for Naomi --- she peacefully has transited to a new life last night around 10:20 pm she was in my arms when she crossed the bridge. I knew her time was approaching and was praying that she will wait for me until I come home from work.. and she did.. I held her in my arms the entire night from the time I came home from work to until she crossed the bridge..she is such a strong soul the whole time I was holding, she will look at in my eyes and stare at me.. and I kept telling her how much I love her,, and thank her for being a part of my life and how much I will miss her and holding her in my arms.. and I also told her that there is nothing to worry about we will be always together.. she will stay in my heart eternally.. and there is nothing that keep us apart anymore..she was walking around until the final day.. she is just amazing.. a couple of times, she stopped breathing.. and had to give her mouth to mouth to bring her back.. just because I was selfish and I wanted to extend our time together as much as possible.. and she did for me..After Naomi has one little brother, Simba and one big sister, Dharma, and they are both protective of her.. Dharma has always groomed her from the very beginning of their time together.. and took care of her so well.. when Naomi has been sick, Dharma always has come licked her head to make her feel better.. on the other hand,, Simba always wanted to wrestle with Naomi.. and even when she was sick.. and naomi would let him, though I sometimes, had to tell Simba not to be so rough to play.. after Naomi passed last night.. Dharma has come and still groomed Naomi and tried to take care of her.. and Simba still tried to play with her which made me cry.. but I am sure that Naomi will connect them on spiritual level so that they will also be together even after her transition Now, Naomi is free from a body which limited her to do many things..I love her soul and love her little body.. she is so beautiful.. I cant express how much I am going to miss seeing her little body walking around, and to hold a beautiful body in my arms,, and watching her beautiful eyes but I know that I wont have to miss her soul because it is right besides me now no matter where I go Naomi has taught me a lot of lessons.. she taught me not to be afraid of pain --- and how to deal with the pain and its not everyones intension to be here for a long time I have become a bit stronger because of Naomi her vitality taught me to be as strong as she is..Again, thank you for all your thoughts and prayers for Naomi --- And please (I dont know whom I should contact directly, but..) add my Naomi to the rainbow bridge.. thank you..Hideyo and Naomi..No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Sick kitty manual
Wendy, can you send me the manual?Thank you!Gina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marissa,My name is Wendy. I've been on this list since lastOctober and probably will never leave. The peoplehere got me through one of the hardest times in mylife when my baby Cricket was sick with anemia fromthe FeLV, and died after three weeks of trying to gethim to turn around. Everyone here is so knowledgeableand helpful, and I stick around now to try to help newpeople just like you.Your vet is right. Many cats throw the virus off, andsome just carry it around. And even if he does testpositive, there are absolutely things you can do toprolong his life.The two most important things to keep in mind withFeLV positives is a stress free environment and immuneboosting including food and supplements. A lot ofpeople use the Evo. I think what Maggie and Kerrysaid about mixing the old food with the new and thenslowly decreasing the old might work for your baby. It will take time. Mine are on the Evo, wet and dry,and it is great stuff. Probably the best on themarket, in my opinion. Some do the raw diet. Whatever you end up feeding him, make sure it has nograins in it. As far as supplements go, there areseveral routes you can go. Vitamin C is supposed tobe a great immune booster. Some people even claimthat it can turn positives to negatives. L-lysine(WITHOUT) propylene glycol is also good for immuneboosting, especially if he has feline herpes, whicheither can't be or isn't easy to be tested for (can'tremember). I say he might have it because sneezingand URI's are typical symptoms. Many cats haveherpes, so it's no big deal. The L-lysine helps agreat deal with keeping that in remission. It's kindof like cold sores for us. The lysine is greatbecause kitty won't be able to taste it. I just mixit in with the wet food. I leave out dry for mine,and feed wet in the morn and eve. I have a kitty withhyperthyroidism that gets chicken broth twice a day,which some kitties love, and cooked chicken at night. The chicken broth is just the byproduct of cooking thechicken in water. I always feed it to my sickkitties; not all eat it though.I have also compiled a sick kitty manual that has alot of good info. in it. It's good even if your kittyis not sick. I took months of posts and info. fromthis site along with personal research and combined itto make the manual. It's in glossary form andcross-referenced in a Word document. Let me know ifyou'd like it and I'll send it to you directly as thelist won't allow attachments.I always say people who are dog people have never beenloved by a cat. We'll see what you have to say in afew months about that. LOL. I love the name Slinky,btw.If you have ANY questions, just ask. We're here tohelp.:)WendyDallas, Tx__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Groups are talking. Were listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups.
Re: Question about throwing off the virus and my vet's opinion
Thank you all for responding. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate having found this support group! Gina and Pippin TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i go for 120 days for a retest, just to make sure On 8/2/06, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. I think most positives are caught later in life because they tested 'negative' at a young age and were never retested and had it all along. I would retest in 90 days if I were you. After that I would act according to those results. t TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:by that logic, ANY cat who tests negative could be "harboring" the virus because who knows if they might have tested positive at some point in their lives. i'm sorry that i don't have the time right now to do the research, but it's fairly well documented that 70% of healthy adult cats exposed to the virus will throw it off. maybe someone else on the list has the citations... On 8/2/06, Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone,A week ago when I took Pippin to the vet,I asked my vet about the upcoming second FeLV test that Pippin is going to have in September. I asked her if she agrees that cats can throw off the virus after having tested positive.She said she does not believe so, that she believes that cats who test negative after having tested positive are "harboring the virus" and that it can show up at any time in the future. We are going to keep Pippin regardless of her FeLV status.I dowonder if thisvet'sbelief systemcould affect the care my girl receives if she does develop symptoms.What kinds of questions should I ask on behalf of Pippin? What should I look for in a vet treating a cat with FeLV? Thank you! Gina No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.
FeLV+ Adoption/ Foster Care
We are in desperate need of placement. About 2 to 3 weeks ago a stray cat showed up on our property. For the 1st week or two we could not go near him. We fed him regularly as we could see he was in need of veterinary care. Finally, he let us near him we scheduled a vet appointment on Monday, 08/01/06. To our grave disappointment he is FeLV+. The vet started to give us options, one of which was euthanasia. I stopped her mid-conversation said That Was Not An Option. The vet said due to ethical dilemmas we needed to keep him indoors (to prevent the spread of FeLV reduce his infection risks). However, staying with us is only a TEMPORARY solution. We have 10 healthy indoor cats, 2 of which also go outside in a fence, of our own. We do NOT want them exposed to this virus so the poor dear is isolated/quarantined to his own bedroom, which does not have air conditioning gets fairly hot. This is no way for a feline to live! But this is the best solution we have for him right now on such short notice. Do you know of anyone who can help us? We live in the Western part of Pennsylvania. We would be willing to transport to an adoptive home (after proper adoption screening) or foster placement. I can be reached at the above email or by cell phone, (814) 229-5678. Thank you. ~Dee
Re: Roferon ?
I also wonder where they get those statistics. Even if they do a controlled study, it's probably not going to simulate a home environment. Anyhow - just suggesting that it's hard to get good data on that sort of thing.I started using alpha interferon (roferon) based on Tally's info on this mailing list and her web site (http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/stomatitis.html) - what I learned was that for FELV kitties, it's suggested to use daily interferon, rather than 7 on and 7 off. The theory being that these kitties may not produce enough interferon naturally to produce it the 7 days that they're "off". So it's a supplement. Now I don't have a clue, it may work both ways, but that's what I learned to do.Anyhow, my original 3 FELV cats died. Two of my present kitties are approaching their 3rd birthday, and doing great. I have 3 others that are 8-9 yrs, that I received from another lady, and they're doing great also - with two of them, I can't administer it to in a syringe, so put it on their food - I know, I know, you're not supposed to do that, but it's the only way I can get it in them without a major chasing and scratching ordeal every day, so maybe some gets absorbed in the mouth and throat before heading down to the stomach.GloriaOn Aug 2, 2006, at 7:16 PM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:As you mentioned already, it’s hard to tell… I know there are many kitties who live for several years and sometimes over 10 years… statistically, I read that 80% of kitties who are tested positive on felk die within 3 years,, again, I don’t know statistic significance of the information either… it’s sort of like, it’s hard to tell,, a regular life span of cats who are tested negative on felk, either.. they could get CRF, get cancer,,, all other diseases that are not viral related could impact their life span..I have two felk kitties and I am grateful that they are so healthy…one has just became two years old.. and the other one, I am not exactly sure how old.. but at least two probably…I think the best thing, is just take one day at a time, and love them as much as you can every day… From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sheila CoyleSent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 5:17 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Roferon ?Hello: I have two kitties on “Roferon”…seven days on 1 ml. each day, seven days off. (Thank heavens, both Joey, age one year, and Lucky, age two years, are doing very very well…) A few questions here… What might any one know about this particular medication? On average, what age of life can be expected, or have you experienced with a kitty who is FeLv positive? I know that is a lot of “what if’s”, and varies vastly from kitty to kitty, and symptoms, and care, etc., etc., or is it possible to have a kitty live a regular life span, and never actually die from FeLv, and just old age, or some thing even totally un related to FeLv? I know there are so so many variables and things to take in account. Thank you.SheilaNebraska[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Naomi has become an angel...
Hideyo, I'm so sorry for your loss of sweet Naomi - all my sympathy and prayers for you both.GloriaOn Aug 2, 2006, at 11:14 AM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:Thank you very much for all your prayers for Naomi --- she peacefully has transited to a new life last night around 10:20 pm… she was in my arms when she crossed the bridge. I knew her time was approaching and was praying that she will wait for me until I come home from work.. and she did.. I held her in my arms the entire night from the time I came home from work to until she crossed the bridge..she is such a strong soul… the whole time I was holding, she will look at in my eyes and stare at me.. and I kept telling her how much I love her,, and thank her for being a part of my life… and how much I will miss her and holding her in my arms.. and I also told her that there is nothing to worry about… we will be always together.. she will stay in my heart eternally.. and there is nothing that keep us apart anymore..she was walking around until the final day.. she is just amazing.. a couple of times, she stopped breathing.. and had to give her mouth to mouth to bring her back.. just because I was selfish and I wanted to extend our time together as much as possible.. and she did for me..After Naomi has one little brother, Simba and one big sister, Dharma, and they are both protective of her.. Dharma has always groomed her from the very beginning of their time together.. and took care of her so well.. when Naomi has been sick, Dharma always has come licked her head to make her feel better.. on the other hand,, Simba always wanted to wrestle with Naomi.. and even when she was sick.. and naomi would let him, though I sometimes, had to tell Simba not to be so rough to play.. after Naomi passed last night.. Dharma has come and still groomed Naomi and tried to take care of her.. and Simba still tried to play with her… which made me cry.. but I am sure that Naomi will connect them on spiritual level so that they will also be together even after her transition…Now, Naomi is free from a body which limited her to do many things..I love her soul and love her little body.. she is so beautiful.. I can’t express how much I am going to miss seeing her little body walking around, and to hold a beautiful body in my arms,, and watching her beautiful eyes… but I know that I won’t have to miss her soul because it is right besides me now no matter where I go… Naomi has taught me a lot of lessons.. she taught me not to be afraid of “pain” --- and how to deal with the pain and it’s not everyone’s intension to be here for a long time… I have become a bit stronger because of Naomi…her vitality taught me to be as strong as she is..Again, thank you for all your thoughts and prayers for Naomi ---And please (I don’t know whom I should contact directly, but..) add my Naomi to the rainbow bridge.. thank you.. Hideyo and Naomi..
Re: Insecticides/Exterminators
Have you tried putting the food in a bowl then putting the bowl in a pan of water? It helped me. The roaches get into the water and can't get out. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Marissa Johnson To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: RE: Insecticides/Exterminators Hi, Leah! Thanks!! I live in Rockville, MD! We're not too far apart. :) I'm not sure what the exterminators are using. I hadn't thought of the cat food being a roach attractor. I've been careful to keep my food and crumbs, etc. cleaned up immediately and that seems to have eliminated the roaches. But I hadn't thought of Slinky's food. Oy! I bought some Raid or something a long time ago and never used it. Hopefully they won't become a problem (maybe if I continue to keep my food, etc. away, the cat food won't bring them out). But if they are, I guess I'll have to come up with some ideas. Thanks...and good to know there's someone in my neighborhood (sort of) on here!! MJ"Wolf, Leah R." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Marissa, What are you using to get rid of the roaches? I live in an apartment in Hyattsville, MD and roaches are attracted tomy two cats'dry food and water feeders in the kitchen. I have used boric acid as well as theRaid roach baits andthe apartment management's exterminator contractorhas applied some kind of gelproduct.My boys seem not to have been affected at all by the gel applied by the exterminatoralong the baseboards and in the cupboards or by the boric acid. I still have to kill 8 or 9 very small roaches every day and I am getting very tired of having the bugs. Leah [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marissa JohnsonSent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 10:07 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Insecticides/Exterminators Hi again everyone! I keep coming up with more questions...thanks for your patience!!! I live in an apartment in a suburb of Washington, DC. I woke up this morning and realized that the exterminator was supposed to come today (he comes the first Wed. of every month). I couldn't get ahold of the office to find out if Slinky would be safe or not, so I left a note for them to call me before they did anything. They did call and the exterminator says the chemicals they use aren't harmful to any animals (there are others in the complext with cats and they're fine). They're treating for roaches. I did have a roach problem shortly after I moved in, but I haven't had any problems for a while. I told them Slinky had a suppressed immune system and they still said it would be fine. But I asked them to skip my apartment at least for this month. So...for future reference...do you think the insecticides they use really are okay for him? If I end up developing a roach problem, should I let them go ahead and spray? Or should I find a place for Slink to go for the day that day? Could the roaches be harmful to him if they become a problem (I know they carry diseases, etc.)? Since they do this monthly, I want to know how to handle it in the future. I almost asked if I could bring Slink to my office today, but wasn't sure how well that would be received. Plus it might be stressful for him! So what are your thoughts? Any experience with this? THANKS SO MUCH!!! MJ Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. Do you Yahoo!?Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/405 - Release Date: 8/1/2006
Re: FeLV+ Adoption/ Foster Care
I suggest you settle in for the long haul and get a fan in that bedroom. It takes time to find a good adoptive home for an FeLV+ cat even under the best of circumstances.Was this the ELISA test or the IFA? What other health issues, if any, is the cat having? Approximate age? How's his body weight, appetite, etc.?Give him time to get past any health issues he is having. They are likely the result of life on the streets more than FeLV status. Also, if a cat is debilitated or stressed, you can get a false positive with the ELISA test. So get him healthy, get some weight on him, and retest with the IFA in a month or two. I would want a very accurate read on FeLV status before I could assess whether a potential home was appropriate or not. Evan Dee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are in desperate need of placement. About 2 to 3 weeks ago a straycat showed up on our property. For the 1st week or two we could not gonear him. We fed him regularly as we could see he was in need ofveterinary care. Finally, he let us near him we scheduled a vetappointment on Monday, 08/01/06. To our grave disappointment he isFeLV+. The vet started to give us options, one of which waseuthanasia. I stopped her mid-conversation said That Was Not AnOption. The vet said due to ethical dilemmas we needed to keep himindoors (to prevent the spread of FeLV reduce his infection risks).However, staying with us is only a TEMPORARY solution. We have 10healthy indoor cats, 2 of which also go outside in a fence, of our own.We do NOT want them exposed to this virus so the poor dear isisolated/quarantined to his own bedroom, which does not have airconditioning gets fairly hot. This is no way for a feline to live!But this is the best solution we have for him right now on such shortnotice. Do you know of anyone who can help us? We live in the Westernpart of Pennsylvania. We would be willing to transport to an adoptivehome (after proper adoption screening) or foster placement. I can bereached at the above email or by cell phone, (814) 229-5678. Thankyou.~Dee
Re: FeLV+ Adoption/ Foster Care
You may also want to start him on Feliway and Rescue Remedy and other de-stressors. This is very difficult for him. Room air conditioners can be picked up pretty cheap this time of year if that would be better than a fan. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Hoffman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:48 AM Subject: Re: FeLV+ Adoption/ Foster Care I suggest you settle in for the long haul and get a fan in that bedroom. It takes time to find a good adoptive home for an FeLV+ cat even under the best of circumstances. Was this the ELISA test or the IFA? What other health issues, if any, is the cat having? Approximate age? How's his body weight, appetite, etc.? Give him time to get past any health issues he is having. They are likely the result of life on the streets more than FeLV status. Also, if a cat is debilitated or stressed, you can get a false positive with the ELISA test. So get him healthy, get some weight on him, and retest with the IFA in a month or two. I would want a very accurate read on FeLV status before I could assess whether a potential home was appropriate or not. Evan Dee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are in desperate need of placement. About 2 to 3 weeks ago a straycat showed up on our property. For the 1st week or two we could not gonear him. We fed him regularly as we could see he was in need ofveterinary care. Finally, he let us near him we scheduled a vetappointment on Monday, 08/01/06. To our grave disappointment he isFeLV+. The vet started to give us options, one of which waseuthanasia. I stopped her mid-conversation said That Was Not AnOption. The vet said due to ethical dilemmas we needed to keep himindoors (to prevent the spread of FeLV reduce his infection risks).However, staying with us is only a TEMPORARY solution. We have 10healthy indoor cats, 2 of which also go outside in a fence, of our own.We do NOT want them exposed to this virus so the poor dear isisolated/quarantined to his own bedroom, which does not have airconditioning gets fairly hot. This is no way for a feline to live!But this is the best solution we have for him right now on such shortnotice. Do you know of anyone who can help us? We live in the Westernpart of Pennsylvania. We would be willing to transport to an adoptivehome (after proper adoption screening) or foster placement. I can bereached at the above email or by cell phone, (814) 229-5678. Thankyou.~Dee No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/405 - Release Date: 8/1/2006
RE: FeLV+ Adoption/ Foster Care
LOL, this weekend I went out and got 2 room air conditioners at Best Buy for $100 each. They're bare-bones (no thermostat, no reverse vent) but they do a great job and are surprisingly efficient, Energystar-wise. One went in my bedroom window (hey, I was saving lives -- you don't want me not sleeping for 3 nights in a row) and the other went into the room where Patches is staying. Poor guy had a fever anyway and the heat was horrible. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MarylynSent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:56 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: FeLV+ Adoption/ Foster Care You may also want to start him on Feliway and Rescue Remedy and other de-stressors. This is very difficult for him. Room air conditioners can be picked up pretty cheap this time of year if that would be better than a fan. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Hoffman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:48 AM Subject: Re: FeLV+ Adoption/ Foster Care I suggest you settle in for the long haul and get a fan in that bedroom. It takes time to find a good adoptive home for an FeLV+ cat even under the best of circumstances. Was this the ELISA test or the IFA? What other health issues, if any, is the cat having? Approximate age? How's his body weight, appetite, etc.? Give him time to get past any health issues he is having. They are likely the result of life on the streets more than FeLV status. Also, if a cat is debilitated or stressed, you can get a false positive with the ELISA test. So get him healthy, get some weight on him, and retest with the IFA in a month or two. I would want a very accurate read on FeLV status before I could assess whether a potential home was appropriate or not. Evan Dee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are in desperate need of placement. About 2 to 3 weeks ago a straycat showed up on our property. For the 1st week or two we could not gonear him. We fed him regularly as we could see he was in need ofveterinary care. Finally, he let us near him we scheduled a vetappointment on Monday, 08/01/06. To our grave disappointment he isFeLV+. The vet started to give us options, one of which waseuthanasia. I stopped her mid-conversation said That Was Not AnOption. The vet said due to ethical dilemmas we needed to keep himindoors (to prevent the spread of FeLV reduce his infection risks).However, staying with us is only a TEMPORARY solution. We have 10healthy indoor cats, 2 of which also go outside in a fence, of our own.We do NOT want them exposed to this virus so the poor dear isisolated/quarantined to his own bedroom, which does not have airconditioning gets fairly hot. This is no way for a feline to live!But this is the best solution we have for him right now on such shortnotice. Do you know of anyone who can help us? We live in the Westernpart of Pennsylvania. We would be willing to transport to an adoptivehome (after proper adoption screening) or foster placement. I can bereached at the above email or by cell phone, (814) 229-5678. Thankyou.~Dee No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/405 - Release Date: 8/1/2006 This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
RE: Slinky Update: Good News
Slinky is a GREAT boy. Congratulations on such a good vet visit. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marissa JohnsonSent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:13 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Slinky Update: Good News Hi again all. Just thought I'd let you know that all is well with Slinky. I went up to get his meds today and decided to take him with to have them weigh him. He's actually gained about 1/2 a pound, maybe a little more since I was last there a week and a half ago. And the nurse looked at him and said he looked perfect. :) She also cleaned out his ears (which were quitegoopy since I've been giving him mitricide). The doctor even came out and talked with me a bit (he didn't think the chemicals used for the roaches would be a problem for him since they're not for other cats...said they tend not to affect mammals much). He also gave him the first of the 2 Drontal tablets so I wouldn't have to try to get him to take it. So that was helpful!!! My baby did GREAT. Didn't even make much noise in the car and didn't flinch at all when they cleaned his ears and gave him the pill. Such a good boy!!! I told both the nurse and the vet about this group so that if they have others who have positive cats, they can pass on the info. The nurse was thrilled...and shocked to hear that some vets recommend immediate euthanasia. The doctor was already familiar with the site. He said that there's really nothing you can do to boost his immune system, but that nothing I did would hurt him (not a great response, but ok). But he kept reiterating that he has every chance of having a normal life expectancy and staying healthy...or of testing negative in a few months. So that was helpful! I told him I was going to keep up with the natural food, supplements, etc. so that at least I'd feel like I was doing something to help him. Anyway...just thought I'd share. Thanks for all your help with trying to figure out his weight and "bonyness" issues. I appreciate it!!! MJ See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Patches
I'm worried about Patches. The little bugger just won't eat enough. He's been sickly since we got him, with runny eyes every day, but it's been worse in the past week or so. We took him to the vet Saturday, and he had a fever, so the vet put him on antibiotics (I don't even remember which one, it's kind of a gray pill that we give 1/2 per day) and gave us eyedrops and set us up to syringe-feed him and give fluids as needed. We think the fever is down, he's somewhat more active than he was a few days ago, and his eyes are looking better, though still runny. I haven't seen him sneezing, though sometimes it looks like he's got the same dried gunk in his nose as in his eyes. We've been syringe-feeding him, which he of course hates, but we can only get about half a can down him which isn't enough, and he's probably down a good pound by now. My housemate is on 3rd shift, I work days, so the only time we can syringe him is at night. We tried KFC, warmed, and he showed an interest the first time, but not so much the two subsequent times. Tonight we try baby food. When our Luc got pancreatitis followed by fatty liver and stopped eating, we had to have an esophageal tube put in, it was so stressful on us all to syringe him, but that ended up costing us $1200 ($600 of it for the overnight stay at the vet because he doesn't tolerate anesthesia very well)which was most of my savings and some of Gail's. Luc is our special guy and it saved his life and it was worth it, but we simply can't afford that again. Patches has been very good under very bad circumstances. Even when he's fighting to get away from the syringe, he doesn't use his claws or try to bite. Multiple times during the feedings he'll look like he's going to barf, but he has kept it all down. He's a sweet boy and we want him to get through this. Any suggestions on how to get some good calories into him? I'm off work tomorrow and we can probably manage 3 syringe sessions for the next couple days, but I'm not sure that will be enough. He goes back to the vet Saturday. (Gail has just informed me that she tried thin-sliced luncheon meat on him this morning, and he ate a whole slice. She offered him a second slice, but he yacked on it (just a little bit though) and walked away. Oh, and last night he ate *one* of the treats he used to climb up our noses to get.) Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
RE: FeLV+ Adoption/ Foster Care
Evan Dee, thank you for caring, and for cutting that vet short. Grrr. I put my feral colony of 6--5 of whom tested positive-in my spare bedroom (winter 2003, Chicago) and, when summer came, kept the ceiling fan on until I was able to afford a low-end a/c. I did feel like a jailer, and had to remind myself constantly that their new life was a lot better than their old one--they were warm and able to romp and play without worrying where the next meal was going to come from. I lost 4 of them--Caramel, Levi, Flavia and Snoball--over the subsequent 20 months, but Mickey threw off the virus and Momcat never got it in the first place despite the fact she shared everything with the five positives (I had Mickey Momcat re-tested this May). So now they're free to roam the apartment. And Momcat is walking testimony to the fact that FeLV is not as contagious as many believe. Something to consider: many far-more-experienced-than-me folks on this list vaccinate their negs and mix successfully with no repercussions! I didn't feel comfortable doing that until recently, when I heard there's a new and better FELV vaccine (Merial) available that does not carry the risk of sarcoma. Once I knew Mickey had turned neg, I decided that even if Momcat had by some horrible twist of fate turned pos, I would have vaccinated all the others to allow them to mix safely with Momcat. Bless you again for opening your heart to this little soul, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evan Dee Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 5:32 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: FeLV+ Adoption/ Foster Care We are in desperate need of placement. About 2 to 3 weeks ago a stray cat showed up on our property. For the 1st week or two we could not go near him. We fed him regularly as we could see he was in need of veterinary care. Finally, he let us near him we scheduled a vet appointment on Monday, 08/01/06. To our grave disappointment he is FeLV+. The vet started to give us options, one of which was euthanasia. I stopped her mid-conversation said That Was Not An Option. The vet said due to ethical dilemmas we needed to keep him indoors (to prevent the spread of FeLV reduce his infection risks). However, staying with us is only a TEMPORARY solution. We have 10 healthy indoor cats, 2 of which also go outside in a fence, of our own. We do NOT want them exposed to this virus so the poor dear is isolated/quarantined to his own bedroom, which does not have air conditioning gets fairly hot. This is no way for a feline to live! But this is the best solution we have for him right now on such short notice. Do you know of anyone who can help us? We live in the Western part of Pennsylvania. We would be willing to transport to an adoptive home (after proper adoption screening) or foster placement. I can be reached at the above email or by cell phone, (814) 229-5678. Thank you. ~Dee IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayer's particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Roferon ?
Title: Message I have 3 others that are 8-9 yrs, that I received from another lady, and they're doing great also That's wonderful Gloria!! (I couldn't give mine the Interferon by syringe either as they were feral---I mixed it with a minimal amount of tuna water and supervised them while they took it. I figured it was better than nothing) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria LaneSent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:48 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Roferon ?I also wonder where they get those statistics. Even if they do a controlled study, it's probably not going to simulate a home environment. Anyhow - just suggesting that it's hard to get good data on that sort of thing. I started using alpha interferon (roferon) based on Tally's info on this mailing list and her web site (http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/stomatitis.html) - what I learned was that for FELV kitties, it's suggested to use daily interferon, rather than 7 on and 7 off. The theory being that these kitties may not produce enough interferon naturally to produce it the 7 days that they're "off". So it's a supplement. Now I don't have a clue, it may work both ways, but that's what I learned to do. Anyhow, my original 3 FELV cats died. Two of my present kitties are approaching their 3rd birthday, and doing great. I have 3 others that are 8-9 yrs, that I received from another lady, and they're doing great also - with two of them, I can't administer it to in a syringe, so put it on their food - I know, I know, you're not supposed to do that, but it's the only way I can get it in them without a major chasing and scratching ordeal every day, so maybe some gets absorbed in the mouth and throat before heading down to the stomach. Gloria On Aug 2, 2006, at 7:16 PM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: As you mentioned already, its hard to tell I know there are many kitties who live for several years and sometimes over 10 years statistically, I read that 80% of kitties who are tested positive on felk die within 3 years,, again, I dont know statistic significance of the information either its sort of like, its hard to tell,, a regular life span of cats who are tested negative on felk, either.. they could get CRF, get cancer,,, all other diseases that are not viral related could impact their life span.. I have two felk kitties and I am grateful that they are so healthyone has just became two years old.. and the other one, I am not exactly sure how old.. but at least two probably I think the best thing, is just take one day at a time, and love them as much as you can every day From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sheila CoyleSent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 5:17 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Roferon ? Hello: I have two kitties on Roferonseven days on 1 ml. each day, seven days off. (Thank heavens, both Joey, age one year, and Lucky, age two years, are doing very very well) A few questions here What might any one know about this particular medication? On average, what age of life can be expected, or have you experienced with a kitty who is FeLv positive? I know that is a lot of what ifs, and varies vastly from kitty to kitty, and symptoms, and care, etc., etc., or is it possible to have a kitty live a regular life span, and never actually die from FeLv, and just old age, or some thing even totally un related to FeLv? I know there are so so many variables and things to take in account. Thank you. Sheila Nebraska [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: FeLV+ Adoption/ Foster Care (mixing)
Hi Dee, Welcome to my world my dear! Like many on this list, I can't tell you the number of times I've been desperate for a placement, (actually I'm desperate right now, see Matilda's story!). Sometimes a proper home is found, many times that home turns out to be mine! By your number, it's a pretty good bet that you are one of us! What's a caring human to do? When they show up on our doorstep, we are left few options. I'm afraid Susan is right, you might as well settle in. I'm not saying to stop looking, I'm just saying you might as well make everyone as comfortable as possible while you do. There are some sanctuaries that will accept a felv+, I'm sure someone on the list will be able to steer you in the right direction. We all understand your fears, for your negs, (btw, are you sure they are indeed neg?), but many on the list have +s that live in isolation and many more have mixed for years. I had rescued 6, 2.5 week old bottle babies that were pos and had them mixed before I knew of their status. Since they had all been living together, playing, grooming, eating and sharing litter boxes for months before I found out, there was really no decision to be made. They were together for up to 2 years and NONE OF MY NEGS EVER BECAME POS! Two of the litter are still living and one has been confirmed neg! There is hope! You didn't mention how old this former stray is. That can make a difference in his chances of throwing the virus. As others have mentioned, there's a good chance he isn't even pos, (false neg tests are a problem). Please take a deep breath and have faith that he joined your family for a reason. Make him as comfortable as possible, nurse him back to health, get him retested in a couple of months using the IFA test, (lab test, sent out of house), and take it one day at a time. Thank you for being the kind of people that can't turn their backs on those in need, Blessings to you and your family, Nina Evan Dee wrote: We are in desperate need of placement. About 2 to 3 weeks ago a stray cat showed up on our property. For the 1st week or two we could not go near him. We fed him regularly as we could see he was in need of veterinary care. Finally, he let us near him we scheduled a vet appointment on Monday, 08/01/06. To our grave disappointment he is FeLV+. The vet started to give us options, one of which was euthanasia. I stopped her mid-conversation said That Was Not An Option. The vet said due to ethical dilemmas we needed to keep him indoors (to prevent the spread of FeLV reduce his infection risks). However, staying with us is only a TEMPORARY solution. We have 10 healthy indoor cats, 2 of which also go outside in a fence, of our own. We do NOT want them exposed to this virus so the poor dear is isolated/quarantined to his own bedroom, which does not have air conditioning gets fairly hot. This is no way for a feline to live! But this is the best solution we have for him right now on such short notice. Do you know of anyone who can help us? We live in the Western part of Pennsylvania. We would be willing to transport to an adoptive home (after proper adoption screening) or foster placement. I can be reached at the above email or by cell phone, (814) 229-5678. Thank you. ~Dee
Re: Patches
Hi Diane, I can't tell you how sorry I am to hear Patches hasn't been feeling well. It's a very good sign that he's begun to improve, but you're right, it's critical that you get him to eat something and keep as much weight on him as possible. It would be a good idea to find out what kind of abx you are giving him. Unfortunately, most of us have had to take crash courses on veterinary care to insure our babies are properly diagnosed and treated. We don't have time to mess around with even "educated" guesses. Felv, in and of itself, is not what our kids die from, it's the secondary, opportunistic, illnesses that are able to take hold because of their weakened immune responses that cause the problems. You're doing great in keeping on top of the illness, it's good that you went to the vet, but you need to know exactly what is wrong in order to treat Patches quickly and help him fight whatever is going on. You've had experience with lack of appetite before, so you probably know a lot of tricks to get them to eat. When they don't feel good you have to keep switching foods because they tend to "blame" whatever they're eating on how crummy they feel. Of course if he can't smell, he won't want to eat either. Have you tried warming his food to bring out the aroma? Sometimes they'll lap, but not chew. Sometimes they want a bowl, not a plate and visa versa. Try offering a bit of food, (make it small portions, large amounts seem to intimidate), right after the first attempt at syringe feeding, sometimes it sort of kick starts them eating. I'm sorry to hear about your Luc. Are you saying you nursed him through Pancreatitis and fatty liver disease?? Talk about the power of love and dedication! Most of us on the list have had to deal with money becoming a factor in our kid's care. It just sucks. My credit cards still have room, and so far I've been fortunate enough to find a way to pay for the things my guys need. What I try to keep in mind is that no matter what I can do for them, it's better than what they would have faced without my love and care. Sometimes all the money in the world is not enough, usually money is not the deciding factor anyway. My prayers and good thoughts are with you, Gail and Patches. Please keep us informed and let us know exactly what Patches has been diagnosed with. If your vet tells you, "it's just the felv kicking in", you need to educate him, or find a different vet. I always advise finding a board certified Internist. You can ask your current vet for a referral. Keep your chin up and give Patches a head bump from me, Nina Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: I'm worried about Patches. The little bugger just won't eat enough. He's been sickly since we got him, with runny eyes every day, but it's been worse in the past week or so. We took him to the vet Saturday, and he had a fever, so the vet put him on antibiotics (I don't even remember which one, it's kind of a gray pill that we give 1/2 per day) and gave us eyedrops and set us up to syringe-feed him and give fluids as needed. We think the fever is down, he's somewhat more active than he was a few days ago, and his eyes are looking better, though still runny. I haven't seen him sneezing, though sometimes it looks like he's got the same dried gunk in his nose as in his eyes. We've been syringe-feeding him, which he of course hates, but we can only get about half a can down him which isn't enough, and he's probably down a good pound by now. My housemate is on 3rd shift, I work days, so the only time we can syringe him is at night. We tried KFC, warmed, and he showed an interest the first time, but not so much the two subsequent times. Tonight we try baby food. When our Luc got pancreatitis followed by fatty liver and stopped eating, we had to have an esophageal tube put in, it was so stressful on us all to syringe him, but that ended up costing us $1200 ($600 of it for the overnight stay at the vet because he doesn't tolerate anesthesia very well)which was most of my savings and some of Gail's. Luc is our special guy and it saved his life and it was worth it, but we simply can't afford that again. Patches has been very good under very bad circumstances. Even when he's fighting to get away from the syringe, he doesn't use his claws or try to bite. Multiple times during the feedings he'll look like he's going to barf, but he has kept it all down. He's a sweet boy and we want him to get through this. Any suggestions on how to get some good calories into him? I'm off work tomorrow and we can probably manage 3 syringe sessions for the next couple days, but I'm not sure that will be enough. He goes back to the vet Saturday. (Gail has just informed me that she tried thin-sliced luncheon meat on him this morning, and he ate a whole slice. She offered him a second slice, but he yacked on it (just a little bit though) and walked away. Oh, and last night he ate *one* of the treats he used to climb up our noses to get.) Diane R.
Re: Patches
I don't have much in the way to offer in terms of advice, but I wanted to let you know that I'm thinking of you and Patches - I hope he's back to his old self soon! -- Original message -- From: "Rosenfeldt, Diane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm worried about Patches. The little bugger just won't eat enough. He's been sickly since we got him, with runny eyes every day, but it's been worse in the past week or so. We took him to the vet Saturday, and he had a fever, so the vet put him on antibiotics (I don't even remember which one, it's kind of a gray pill that we give 1/2 per day) and gave us eyedrops and set us up to syringe-feed him and give fluids as needed. We think the fever is down, he's somewhat more active than he was a few days ago, and his eyes are looking better, though still runny. I haven't seen him sneezing, though sometimes it looks like he's got the same dried gunk in his nose as in his eyes. We've been syringe-feeding him, which he of course hates, but we can only get about half a can down him which isn't enough, and he's probably down a good pound by now. My housemate is on 3rd shift, I work days, so the only time we can syringe him is at night. We tried KFC, warmed, and he showed an interest the first time, but not so much the two subsequent times. Tonight we try baby food. When our Luc got pancreatitis followed by fatty liver and stopped eating, we had to have an esophageal tube put in, it was so stressful on us all to syringe him, but that ended up costing us $1200 ($600 of it for the overnight stay at the vet because he doesn't tolerate anesthesia very well)which was most of my savings and some of Gail's. Luc is our special guy and it saved his life and it was worth it, but we simply can't afford that again. Patches has been very good under very bad circumstances. Even when he's fighting to get away from the syringe, he doesn't use his claws or try to bite. Multiple times during the feedings he'll look like he's going to barf, but he has kept it all down. He's a sweet boy and we want him to get through this. Any suggestions on how to get some good calories into him? I'm off work tomorrow and we can probably manage 3 syringe sessions for the next couple days, but I'm not sure that will be enough. He goes back to the vet Saturday. (Gail has just informed me that she tried thin-sliced luncheon meat on him this morning, and he ate a whole slice. She offered him a second slice, but he yacked on it (just a little bit though) and walked away. Oh, and last night he ate *one* of the treats he used to climb up our noses to get.) Diane R.This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: FeLV+ Adoption/ Foster Care (mixing)
(Oops, I meant false pos tests are a problem) N Nina wrote: Hi Dee, Welcome to my world my dear! Like many on this list, I can't tell you the number of times I've been desperate for a placement, (actually I'm desperate right now, see Matilda's story!). Sometimes a proper home is found, many times that home turns out to be mine! By your number, it's a pretty good bet that you are one of us! What's a caring human to do? When they show up on our doorstep, we are left few options. I'm afraid Susan is right, you might as well settle in. I'm not saying to stop looking, I'm just saying you might as well make everyone as comfortable as possible while you do. There are some sanctuaries that will accept a felv+, I'm sure someone on the list will be able to steer you in the right direction. We all understand your fears, for your negs, (btw, are you sure they are indeed neg?), but many on the list have +s that live in isolation and many more have mixed for years. I had rescued 6, 2.5 week old bottle babies that were pos and had them mixed before I knew of their status. Since they had all been living together, playing, grooming, eating and sharing litter boxes for months before I found out, there was really no decision to be made. They were together for up to 2 years and NONE OF MY NEGS EVER BECAME POS! Two of the litter are still living and one has been confirmed neg! There is hope! You didn't mention how old this former stray is. That can make a difference in his chances of throwing the virus. As others have mentioned, there's a good chance he isn't even pos, (false neg tests are a problem). Please take a deep breath and have faith that he joined your family for a reason. Make him as comfortable as possible, nurse him back to health, get him retested in a couple of months using the IFA test, (lab test, sent out of house), and take it one day at a time. Thank you for being the kind of people that can't turn their backs on those in need, Blessings to you and your family, Nina Evan Dee wrote: We are in desperate need of placement. About 2 to 3 weeks ago a stray cat showed up on our property. For the 1st week or two we could not go near him. We fed him regularly as we could see he was in need of veterinary care. Finally, he let us near him we scheduled a vet appointment on Monday, 08/01/06. To our grave disappointment he is FeLV+. The vet started to give us options, one of which was euthanasia. I stopped her mid-conversation said That Was Not An Option. The vet said due to ethical dilemmas we needed to keep him indoors (to prevent the spread of FeLV reduce his infection risks). However, staying with us is only a TEMPORARY solution. We have 10 healthy indoor cats, 2 of which also go outside in a fence, of our own. We do NOT want them exposed to this virus so the poor dear is isolated/quarantined to his own bedroom, which does not have air conditioning gets fairly hot. This is no way for a feline to live! But this is the best solution we have for him right now on such short notice. Do you know of anyone who can help us? We live in the Western part of Pennsylvania. We would be willing to transport to an adoptive home (after proper adoption screening) or foster placement. I can be reached at the above email or by cell phone, (814) 229-5678. Thank you. ~Dee
Re: Patches
Diane, Have you tried the raw liver shake yet? Even tho it's primarily used for anemia, it's supposed to be very healing (was developed by a holistic vet in Hawaii). My kitties always seem to like it whenever they've been under the weather. It's listed in the archives, but if you have trouble finding it, I can forward another copy to you. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:15:51 -0500 From: Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Patches I'm worried about Patches. The little bugger just won't eat enough. He's been sickly since we got him, with runny eyes every day, but it's been worse in the past week or so. We took him to the vet Saturday, and he had a fever, so the vet put him on antibiotics (I don't even remember which one, it's kind of a gray pill that we give 1/2 per day) and gave us eyedrops and set us up to syringe-feed him and give fluids as needed. We think the fever is down, he's somewhat more active than he was a few days ago, and his eyes are looking better, though still runny. I haven't seen him sneezing, though sometimes it looks like he's got the same dried gunk in his nose as in his eyes. We've been syringe-feeding him, which he of course hates, but we can only get about half a can down him which isn't enough, and he's probably down a good pound by now. My housemate is on 3rd shift, I work days, so the only time we can syringe him is at night. We tried KFC, warmed, and he showed an interest the first time, but not so much the two subsequent times. Tonight we try baby food. When our Luc got pancreatitis followed by fatty liver and stopped eating, we had to have an esophageal tube put in, it was so stressful on us all to syringe him, but that ended up costing us $1200 ($600 of it for the overnight stay at the vet because he doesn't tolerate anesthesia very well) which was most of my savings and some of Gail's. Luc is our special guy and it saved his life and it was worth it, but we simply can't afford that again. Patches has been very good under very bad circumstances. Even when he's fighting to get away from the syringe, he doesn't use his claws or try to bite. Multiple times during the feedings he'll look like he's going to barf, but he has kept it all down. He's a sweet boy and we want him to get through this. Any suggestions on how to get some good calories into him? I'm off work tomorrow and we can probably manage 3 syringe sessions for the next couple days, but I'm not sure that will be enough. He goes back to the vet Saturday. (Gail has just informed me that she tried thin-sliced luncheon meat on him this morning, and he ate a whole slice. She offered him a second slice, but he yacked on it (just a little bit though) and walked away. Oh, and last night he ate *one* of the treats he used to climb up our noses to get.) Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. Ivy.gif Description: Ivy.gif
RE: Slinky Update: Good News
Title: Message Great news about Slinky! Re: He said that there's really nothing you can do to boost his immune system, I guess if he's right what we're doing is trying to make sure it's not further depressed? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marissa JohnsonSent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:13 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Slinky Update: Good News Hi again all. Just thought I'd let you know that all is well with Slinky. I went up to get his meds today and decided to take him with to have them weigh him. He's actually gained about 1/2 a pound, maybe a little more since I was last there a week and a half ago. And the nurse looked at him and said he looked perfect. :) She also cleaned out his ears (which were quitegoopy since I've been giving him mitricide). The doctor even came out and talked with me a bit (he didn't think the chemicals used for the roaches would be a problem for him since they're not for other cats...said they tend not to affect mammals much). He also gave him the first of the 2 Drontal tablets so I wouldn't have to try to get him to take it. So that was helpful!!! My baby did GREAT. Didn't even make much noise in the car and didn't flinch at all when they cleaned his ears and gave him the pill. Such a good boy!!! I told both the nurse and the vet about this group so that if they have others who have positive cats, they can pass on the info. The nurse was thrilled...and shocked to hear that some vets recommend immediate euthanasia. The doctor was already familiar with the site. He said that there's really nothing you can do to boost his immune system, but that nothing I did would hurt him (not a great response, but ok). But he kept reiterating that he has every chance of having a normal life expectancy and staying healthy...or of testing negative in a few months. So that was helpful! I told him I was going to keep up with the natural food, supplements, etc. so that at least I'd feel like I was doing something to help him. Anyway...just thought I'd share. Thanks for all your help with trying to figure out his weight and "bonyness" issues. I appreciate it!!! MJ See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Naomi has become an angel...
Thank you, Gina I know.. I couldnt ask for a more gift that she has given to me already---I knew that she probably wanted to go, but she knew that I wanted to be with her when she was ready.. and she made her self available for me.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gina WN Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Naomi has become an angel... Oh Hideyo, I am in tears. I am so sorry that Naomi couldn't stay longer. I amglad she passed in your arms experiencing your love for her. What a gift she gave you, waiting for you, and so many more gifts her life brought to you. Gina Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you very much for all your prayers for Naomi --- she peacefully has transited to a new life last night around 10:20 pm she was in my arms when she crossed the bridge. I knew her time was approaching and was praying that she will wait for me until I come home from work.. and she did.. I held her in my arms the entire night from the time I came home from work to until she crossed the bridge..she is such a strong soul the whole time I was holding, she will look at in my eyes and stare at me.. and I kept telling her how much I love her,, and thank her for being a part of my life and how much I will miss her and holding her in my arms.. and I also told her that there is nothing to worry about we will be always together.. she will stay in my heart eternally.. and there is nothing that keep us apart anymore..she was walking around until the final day.. she is just amazing.. a couple of times, she stopped breathing.. and had to give her mouth to mouth to bring her back.. just because I was selfish and I wanted to extend our time together as much as possible.. and she did for me.. After Naomi has one little brother, Simba and one big sister, Dharma, and they are both protective of her.. Dharma has always groomed her from the very beginning of their time together.. and took care of her so well.. when Naomi has been sick, Dharma always has come licked her head to make her feel better.. on the other hand,, Simba always wanted to wrestle with Naomi.. and even when she was sick.. and naomi would let him, though I sometimes, had to tell Simba not to be so rough to play.. after Naomi passed last night.. Dharma has come and still groomed Naomi and tried to take care of her.. and Simba still tried to play with her which made me cry.. but I am sure that Naomi will connect them on spiritual level so that they will also be together even after her transition Now, Naomi is free from a body which limited her to do many things..I love her soul and love her little body.. she is so beautiful.. I cant express how much I am going to miss seeing her little body walking around, and to hold a beautiful body in my arms,, and watching her beautiful eyes but I know that I wont have to miss her soul because it is right besides me now no matter where I go Naomi has taught me a lot of lessons.. she taught me not to be afraid of pain --- and how to deal with the pain and its not everyones intension to be here for a long time I have become a bit stronger because of Naomiher vitality taught me to be as strong as she is.. Again, thank you for all your thoughts and prayers for Naomi --- And please (I dont know whom I should contact directly, but..) add my Naomi to the rainbow bridge.. thank you.. Hideyo and Naomi.. No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Re: Slinky Update: Good News (boosting the immune system)
Of course you can boost the immune system! What he means is there is nothing that he believes will boost the immune system. Which is still a ludicrous statement. What about the use of immune boosters for human cancer patients? What about Vita supplements?? What's that? A multi million dollar hoax, built on the placebo effect?? Anytime I've asked a specialist, esp a surgeon about supplements and immune boosters, their eyes kind of glaze over. That's one of the problems with the medical world vs. the "real" world. They are very reluctant to give credence to anything that has not been clinically proven. They aren't that interested, usually, in anequdotal success stories. They want hard, validated proof that something works before they feel comfortable recommending it to others, (and very few are willing to fund costly studies unless there's the hope of a pot of gold sitting at the end of it). The best I can get out of most of them is "Well, I guess it couldn't hurt". How many times do we have to prove the "experts" wrong before we stop listening to them nay say? Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Message Great news about Slinky! Re: He said that there's really nothing you can do to boost his immune system, I guess if he's right what we're doing is trying to make sure it's not further depressed?
RE: Introduction and new cat question - My experience - sorry guys it's long
Thanks Belinda--I'm keeping this in a special folder for future ref! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Introduction and new cat question - My experience - sorry guys it's long Leslie, Negative cats can live with positive cats? I'd love to hear more about this from anyone that has/is successfully done it. To answer your question, I have over the course of the last 11 years mixed negatives and positives. Bailey joined us back in 1995, I had 3 cats at that time and they were all vaccinated and negative, when I found Bailey he was 5 months old and tested positive. I had him separated in his own room while I was trying to figure out how to convince hubby we were keeping him. My negatives at that time were Joey, 4 months old, Fred, about 4 years old, and Teenye, about 11 years old, all negative all vaccinated. I came home one day after having Bailey for about 5 months and couldn't find Joey, well the little stinker finally came out from under Bailey's bedroom door, he'd been sneaking in there playing with Bailey all along while I was at work. Well I didn't see any point in keeping them separate anymore, Joey had unknowingly exposed himself and everyone else for the last 5 months. I decided Bailey had found us for a reason and left everything to my faith in a higher power. I just lost Bailey on May 6th, 2006, 5 days after he turned 11 years old, he succumbed to pancreatic cancer which my vet say's mostly likely wasn't even related to his FeLV+ status, he was just unfortunate enough to get this type of cancer. In 11 years nobody ever got it from Bailey, all of my guys, ate, groomed, played, slept and on occasion had spats together. Joey and Bailey were very close and Joey so about 2 or 3 years ago I had him PCR (DNA) tested to be sure he wasn't positive and he wasn't, if anybody would have gotten it would have been him. Every year before vaccinations I had the negatives tested, everyone stayed negative. My vet wasn't in the least bit worried about them all living together, it's a well known fact to anyone that is knowledgeable about FeLV that it isn't as easy to catch as way too many vets who are NOT knowledgeable on FeLV will tell you. A healthy, adult, vaccinated cat has almost zero chance of getting it from a positive, and if they did their own immune system would almost certainly fight it off and they would turn negative. Kittens are alittle more susceptible but in my personal experience back in the 90's before I even know what FeLV was I had 5 cats all indoor, my then vet didn't tell me to vaccinate them for FeLV and being all indoor I wasn't too worried about it. Well long story short, come to find out 4 of my 5 were positive, Buddie whom I got at 8 weeks of age and she wasn't vaccinated for FeLV either at that time because at that time I didn't know I had any positives, she was the only one who tested negative when I did have them all tested. So this 8 week old unvaccinated kitten was around unknown positives all along and never got it. Teenye tested positive but turned negative and the other three I lost in a 15 month period to cancer and anemia. I don't know how many were positive when I got them because being naive back then and having a vet who wasn't very knowledgeable about it I never had any of them tested until one got sick. The current statistics say 1/3 of the positives will fight it off and be negative, I personally think that number is higher, because in my opinion many are never diagnosed, 1/3 will have it and be unsymptomatic for all or most of their lives, many of these in my opinion remain undiagnosed also, so people may have positives and never know it, and 1/3 may be sickly most of their lives and will eventually succumb to an opportunistic disease such as lymphoma, an anemia related illness, or something as simple as a severe URI, chronic herpes, or other viral infection that they just can't fight off. Of the last 1/3 that are sickly many will get it while very young, at birth or soon after birth. But as with anything there are exceptions to this rule also and Bailey is a testament to that, at 5 months he was already positive and who knows when he contracted it. He was healthy all his life until about the last year or so, his first problem was with his teeth, we fixed that and he was fine again until his last 5 months when he turned up anemic which we corrected, but we never could find the cancer we were sure he had. We didn't find it until he past and like I said my vet didn't think his positive status had anything to do with it, it wasn't a cancer that is associated or common with positives. ANY vet who suggests killing a cat simply because they test positive would NOT be touching any of my furkids, if they are that ignorant about the
RE: Introduction and new cat question - My experience - sorry guys it's long
1/3 will have it and be unsymptomatic for all or most of their lives, many of these in my opinion remain undiagnosed also, so people may have positives and never know it How very true! Most cats are never tested and if they're never sick, for sure they're not tested. This is not a new virus and has been around forever--if it were all that lethal, there wouldn't be any cats left in this world! I'm afraid that the high mortality rates come from strays who are brought to vets already very sick and young kittens. These are the most vulnerable to begin with. Strays who really live on their own do not have a long life expectancy to begin with... Kittens, well sadly, there are so many things that can happen to them. So, as a 'mixer', I give my 5 guys lots of good food, love, a warm place and keep my fingers crossed that my two pos don't develop some of those cancers that FELV+ cats can be prone to. As for my 3 negs, I don't worry about them catching anything...they were exposed long before I knew that one of my pos was pos and didn't catch anything! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Introduction and new cat question - My experience - sorry guys it's long Leslie, Negative cats can live with positive cats? I'd love to hear more about this from anyone that has/is successfully done it. To answer your question, I have over the course of the last 11 years mixed negatives and positives. Bailey joined us back in 1995, I had 3 cats at that time and they were all vaccinated and negative, when I found Bailey he was 5 months old and tested positive. I had him separated in his own room while I was trying to figure out how to convince hubby we were keeping him. My negatives at that time were Joey, 4 months old, Fred, about 4 years old, and Teenye, about 11 years old, all negative all vaccinated. I came home one day after having Bailey for about 5 months and couldn't find Joey, well the little stinker finally came out from under Bailey's bedroom door, he'd been sneaking in there playing with Bailey all along while I was at work. Well I didn't see any point in keeping them separate anymore, Joey had unknowingly exposed himself and everyone else for the last 5 months. I decided Bailey had found us for a reason and left everything to my faith in a higher power. I just lost Bailey on May 6th, 2006, 5 days after he turned 11 years old, he succumbed to pancreatic cancer which my vet say's mostly likely wasn't even related to his FeLV+ status, he was just unfortunate enough to get this type of cancer. In 11 years nobody ever got it from Bailey, all of my guys, ate, groomed, played, slept and on occasion had spats together. Joey and Bailey were very close and Joey so about 2 or 3 years ago I had him PCR (DNA) tested to be sure he wasn't positive and he wasn't, if anybody would have gotten it would have been him. Every year before vaccinations I had the negatives tested, everyone stayed negative. My vet wasn't in the least bit worried about them all living together, it's a well known fact to anyone that is knowledgeable about FeLV that it isn't as easy to catch as way too many vets who are NOT knowledgeable on FeLV will tell you. A healthy, adult, vaccinated cat has almost zero chance of getting it from a positive, and if they did their own immune system would almost certainly fight it off and they would turn negative. Kittens are alittle more susceptible but in my personal experience back in the 90's before I even know what FeLV was I had 5 cats all indoor, my then vet didn't tell me to vaccinate them for FeLV and being all indoor I wasn't too worried about it. Well long story short, come to find out 4 of my 5 were positive, Buddie whom I got at 8 weeks of age and she wasn't vaccinated for FeLV either at that time because at that time I didn't know I had any positives, she was the only one who tested negative when I did have them all tested. So this 8 week old unvaccinated kitten was around unknown positives all along and never got it. Teenye tested positive but turned negative and the other three I lost in a 15 month period to cancer and anemia. I don't know how many were positive when I got them because being naive back then and having a vet who wasn't very knowledgeable about it I never had any of them tested until one got sick. The current statistics say 1/3 of the positives will fight it off and be negative, I personally think that number is higher, because in my opinion many are never diagnosed, 1/3 will have it and be unsymptomatic for all or most of their lives, many of these in my opinion remain undiagnosed also, so people may have positives and never know it, and 1/3 may be sickly most of their lives and will eventually succumb to an opportunistic disease such as
Re: Slinky Update: Good News (boosting the immune system)
Yep, Nina. That's exactly what he meant! And that's exactly what I got out of him: "Nothing you do will hurt him." I completely agree with you. We know about the positive effects of supplements and vitamins for humans (otherwise why would OB's tell pregnant women to take PRENATAL vitamins, why did my dr. tell me to take folic acid), so why would it be so different for other animals? But...I guess what he doesn't believe won't hurt him! lol Actually, though, it can. But at least he does believe he could throw it off or live a full and healthy life even with a pos test. And I'm certainly not going to listen to him...I believe diet and sups, etc. will help my Slink. It is frustrating though!!!MarissaNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course you can boost the immune system! What he means is there is nothing that he believes will boost the immune system. Which is still a ludicrous statement. What about the use of immune boosters for human cancer patients? What about Vita supplements?? What's that? A multi million dollar hoax, built on the placebo effect?? Anytime I've asked a specialist, esp a surgeon about supplements and immune boosters, their eyes kind of glaze over. That's one of the problems with the medical world vs. the "real" world. They are very reluctant to give credence to anything that has not been clinically proven. They aren't that interested, usually, in anequdotal success stories. They want hard, validated proof that something works before they feel comfortable recommending it to others, (and very few are willing to fund costly studies unless there's the hope of a pot of gold sitting at the end of it). The best I can get out of most of them is "Well, I guess it couldn't hurt". How many times do we have to prove the "experts" wrong before we stop listening to them nay say?NinaMacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Great news about Slinky! Re: He said that there's really nothing you can do to boost his immune system, I guess if he's right what we're doing is trying to make sure it's not further depressed? Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
RE: Slinky Update: Good News (boosting the immune system)
Title: Message Thanks Nina! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 11:33 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Slinky Update: Good News (boosting the immune system)Of course you can boost the immune system! What he means is there is nothing that he believes will boost the immune system. Which is still a ludicrous statement. What about the use of immune boosters for human cancer patients? What about Vita supplements?? What's that? A multi million dollar hoax, built on the placebo effect?? Anytime I've asked a specialist, esp a surgeon about supplements and immune boosters, their eyes kind of glaze over. That's one of the problems with the medical world vs. the "real" world. They are very reluctant to give credence to anything that has not been clinically proven. They aren't that interested, usually, in anequdotal success stories. They want hard, validated proof that something works before they feel comfortable recommending it to others, (and very few are willing to fund costly studies unless there's the hope of a pot of gold sitting at the end of it). The best I can get out of most of them is "Well, I guess it couldn't hurt". How many times do we have to prove the "experts" wrong before we stop listening to them nay say?NinaMacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Great news about Slinky! Re: He said that there's really nothing you can do to boost his immune system, I guess if he's right what we're doing is trying to make sure it's not further depressed? IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 16
Here's little pick-me-up for you all, the other + kitten, Trixie's littermate, Powder, at the Humane Society. Such doll she is with her little bobtail: http://www.oregonhumane.org/cats/detail.asp?animalID=45143 And then on to business. All I can say is wow. For the first time in so long, I feel real hope, not just manufactured-talk-yourself-into-it-because-being-depressed-for-too-long-sucks hope. And what gives me the most confidence in what you all are saying is that it makes sense. It's simple, it's natural, it's much less dramatic than we overreactive species like to make things. And it's also what my mom has been saying, but her overreactive daughter (me) in true daughter fashion has been sighing and saying in my head, Oh Mom, you don't know. :) You can never give them a big enough Mother's Day Gift, can you? What I like most about what you (Chris and Belinda) say, is that there are exceptions. Many exceptions. You're not saying that the rule is wrong, but that maybe it's not as set in stone as we are told. I believed fully that a + cat had no place on the euthanasia list, but I was beginning to doubt that I could enter into loving these guys with any hope that they would make it. After all, I love them, groom them, keep them in a safe, low-stress, but high-fun environment, feed high quality food (Evo dry and a raw mix), and supplement when recommended by my vet, but I've lost two before owning them two years. I'd heard rumors that + cats can live full lives, but to see so many of you with cats that have lived outside of expectation, it just gives me hope. Don't worry, I know that the rules are still there, but it helps. So, thank you, and I'm more eager than ever to talk to my vet next week. Leslie
RE: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 16
Title: Message Powderis...completely adorable...! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LeslieSent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:43 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 16 Here's little pick-me-up for you all, the other + kitten, Trixie's littermate, Powder, at the Humane Society. Such doll she is with her little bobtail: http://www.oregonhumane.org/cats/detail.asp?animalID=45143 And then on to business. All I can say is wow. For the first time in so long, I feel real hope, not just manufactured-talk-yourself-into-it-because-being-depressed-for-too-long-sucks hope. And what gives me the most confidence in what you all are saying is that it makes sense. It's simple, it's natural, it's much less dramatic than we overreactive species like to make things. And it's also what my mom has been saying, but her overreactive daughter (me) in true daughter fashion has been sighing and saying in my head, Oh Mom, you don't know. :) You can never give them a big enough Mother's Day Gift, can you? What I like most about what you (Chris and Belinda) say, is that there are exceptions. Many exceptions. You're not saying that the rule is wrong, but that maybe it's not as set in stone as we are told. I believed fully that a + cat had no place on the euthanasia list, but I was beginning to doubt that I could enter into loving these guys with any hope that they would make it. After all, I love them, groom them, keep them in a safe, low-stress, but high-fun environment, feed high quality food (Evo dry and a raw mix), and supplement when recommended by my vet, but I've lost two before owning them two years. I'd heard rumors that + cats can live full lives, but to see so many of you with cats that have lived outside of expectation, it just gives me hope. Don't worry, I know that the rules are still there, but it helps. So, thank you, and I'm more eager than ever to talk to my vet next week. Leslie IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 16
calico! On 8/3/06, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Powderis...completely adorable...! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of LeslieSent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:43 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 16 Here's little pick-me-up for you all, the other + kitten, Trixie's littermate, Powder, at the Humane Society. Such doll she is with her little bobtail: http://www.oregonhumane.org/cats/detail.asp?animalID=45143 And then on to business. All I can say is wow. For the first time in so long, I feel real hope, not just manufactured-talk-yourself-into-it-because-being-depressed-for-too-long-sucks hope. And what gives me the most confidence in what you all are saying is that it makes sense. It's simple, it's natural, it's much less dramatic than we overreactive species like to make things. And it's also what my mom has been saying, but her overreactive daughter (me) in true daughter fashion has been sighing and saying in my head, Oh Mom, you don't know. :) You can never give them a big enough Mother's Day Gift, can you? What I like most about what you (Chris and Belinda) say, is that there are exceptions. Many exceptions. You're not saying that the rule is wrong, but that maybe it's not as set in stone as we are told. I believed fully that a + cat had no place on the euthanasia list, but I was beginning to doubt that I could enter into loving these guys with any hope that they would make it. After all, I love them, groom them, keep them in a safe, low-stress, but high-fun environment, feed high quality food (Evo dry and a raw mix), and supplement when recommended by my vet, but I've lost two before owning them two years. I'd heard rumors that + cats can live full lives, but to see so many of you with cats that have lived outside of expectation, it just gives me hope. Don't worry, I know that the rules are still there, but it helps. So, thank you, and I'm more eager than ever to talk to my vet next week. Leslie IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
RE: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 16
It's a good thing that I can have only two cats in my apartment or else I'd adopt every cute one out there and you'd read about me in the news! Leah From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marissa JohnsonSent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 2:15 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 16 OMG! Can we ship Powder across the country to DC so I can adopt her? Just kidding. But WOW is she a cutie :) Looks sweet, too. MJLeslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's little pick-me-up for you all, the other + kitten, Trixie's littermate, Powder, at the Humane Society. Such doll she is with her little bobtail: http://www.oregonhumane.org/cats/detail.asp?animalID=45143 And then on to business. All I can say is wow. For the first time in so long, I feel real hope, not just manufactured-talk-yourself-into-it-because-being-depressed-for-too-long-sucks hope. And what gives me the most confidence in what you all are saying is that it makes sense. It's simple, it's natural, it's much less dramatic than we overreactive species like to make things. And it's also what my mom has been saying, but her overreactive daughter (me) in true daughter fashion has been sighing and saying in my head, Oh Mom, you don't know. :) You can never give them a big enough Mother's Day Gift, can you? What I like most about what you (Chris and Belinda) say, is that there are exceptions. Many exceptions. You're not saying that the rule is wrong, but that maybe it's not as set in stone as we are told. I believed fully that a + cat had no place on the euthanasia list, but I was beginning to doubt that I could enter into loving these guys with any hope that they would make it. After all, I love them, groom them, keep them in a safe, low-stress, but high-fun environment, feed high quality food (Evo dry and a raw mix), and supplement when recommended by my vet, but I've lost two before owning them two years. I'd heard rumors that + cats can live full lives, but to see so many of you with cats that have lived outside of expectation, it just gives me hope. Don't worry, I know that the rules are still there, but it helps. So, thank you, and I'm more eager than ever to talk to my vet next week. Leslie Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 16
She is darling! Marissa Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:OMG! Can we ship Powder across the country to DC so I can adopt her? Just kidding. But WOW is she a cutie :) Looks sweet, too.MJLeslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Here's little pick-me-up for you all, the other + kitten, Trixie's littermate, Powder, at the Humane Society. Such doll she is with her little bobtail: http://www.oregonhumane.org/cats/detail.asp?animalID=45143And then on to business. All I can say is wow. For the first time in so long, I feel real hope, not just manufactured-talk-yourself-into-it-because-being-depressed-for-too-long-sucks hope. And what gives me the most confidence in what you all are saying is that it makes sense. It's simple, it's natural, it's much less dramatic than we overreactive species like to make things. And it's also what my mom has been saying, but her overreactive daughter (me) in true daughter fashion has been sighing and saying in my head, Oh Mom, you don't know. :) You can never give them a big enough Mother's Day Gift, can you? What I like most about what you (Chris and Belinda) say, is that there are exceptions. Many exceptions. You're not saying that the rule is wrong, but that maybe it's not as set in stone as we are told. I believed fully that a + cat had no place on the euthanasia list, but I was beginning to doubt that I could enter into loving these guys with any hope that they would make it. After all, I love them, groom them, keep them in a safe, low-stress, but high-fun environment, feed high quality food (Evo dry and a raw mix), and supplement when recommended by my vet, but I've lost two before owning them two years. I'd heard rumors that + cats can live full lives, but to see so many of you with cats that have lived outside of expectation, it just gives me hope. Don't worry, I know that the rules are still there, but it helps. So, thank you, and I'm more eager than ever to talk to my vet next week.LeslieYahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
RE: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 16
Me too! We can only have four cats ina residence in our county, unless you register as a cattery.Gina "Wolf, Leah R." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a good thing that I can have only two cats in my apartment or else I'd adopt every cute one out there and you'd read about me in the news! Leah From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marissa JohnsonSent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 2:15 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 16OMG! Can we ship Powder across the country to DC so I can adopt her? Just kidding. But WOW is she a cutie :) Looks sweet, too.MJLeslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Here's little pick-me-up for you all, the other + kitten, Trixie's littermate, Powder, at the Humane Society. Such doll she is with her little bobtail: http://www.oregonhumane.org/cats/detail.asp?animalID=45143And then on to business. All I can say is wow. For the first time in so long, I feel real hope, not just manufactured-talk-yourself-into-it-because-being-depressed-for-too-long-sucks hope. And what gives me the most confidence in what you all are saying is that it makes sense. It's simple, it's natural, it's much less dramatic than we overreactive species like to make things. And it's also what my mom has been saying, but her overreactive daughter (me) in true daughter fashion has been sighing and saying in my head, Oh Mom, you don't know. :) You can never give them a big enough Mother's Day Gift, can you? What I like most about what you (Chris and Belinda) say, is that there are exceptions. Many exceptions. You're not saying that the rule is wrong, but that maybe it's not as set in stone as we are told. I believed fully that a + cat had no place on the euthanasia list, but I was beginning to doubt that I could enter into loving these guys with any hope that they would make it. After all, I love them, groom them, keep them in a safe, low-stress, but high-fun environment, feed high quality food (Evo dry and a raw mix), and supplement when recommended by my vet, but I've lost two before owning them two years. I'd heard rumors that + cats can live full lives, but to see so many of you with cats that have lived outside of expectation, it just gives me hope. Don't worry, I know that the rules are still there, but it helps. So, thank you, and I'm more eager than ever to talk to my vet next week.Leslie Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
Re: Patches
Diane,I don't have experience withsyringe feedingcats. But, I wanted to tell you I will be thinking about you and Patches and praying that he will start gaining weight. Is he FeLV+?Gina."Rosenfeldt, Diane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm worried about Patches. The little bugger just won't eat enough. He's been sickly since we got him, with runny eyes every day, but it's been worse in the past week or so. We took him to the vet Saturday, and he had a fever, so the vet put him on antibiotics (I don't even remember which one, it's kind of a gray pill that we give 1/2 per day) and gave us eyedrops and set us up to syringe-feed him and give fluids as needed. We think the fever is down, he's somewhat more active than he was a few days ago, and his eyes are looking better, though still runny. I haven't seen him sneezing, though sometimes it looks like he's got the same dried gunk in his nose as in his eyes. We've been syringe-feeding him, which he of course hates, but we can only get about half a can down him which isn't enough, and he's probably down a good pound by now. My housemate is on 3rd shift, I work days, so the only time we can syringe him is at night. We tried KFC, warmed, and he showed an interest the first time, but not so much the two subsequent times. Tonight we try baby food. When our Luc got pancreatitis followed by fatty liver and stopped eating, we had to have an esophageal tube put in, it was so stressful on us all to syringe him, but that ended up costing us $1200 ($600 of it for the overnight stay at the vet because he doesn't tolerate anesthesia very well)which was most of my savings and some of Gail's. Luc is our special guy and it saved his life and it was worth it, but we simply can't afford that again.Patches has been very good under very bad circumstances. Even when he's fighting to get away from the syringe, he doesn't use his claws or try to bite. Multiple times during the feedings he'll look like he's going to barf, but he has kept it all down. He's a sweet boy and we want him to get through this. Any suggestions on how to get some good calories into him? I'm off work tomorrow and we can probably manage 3 syringe sessions for the next couple days, but I'm not sure that will be enough. He goes back to the vet Saturday. (Gail has just informed me that she tried thin-sliced luncheon meat on him this morning, and he ate a whole slice. She offered him a second slice, but he yacked on it (just a little bit though) and walked away. Oh, and last night he ate *one* of the treats he used to climb up our noses to get.)Diane R.This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged.They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out.
Re: Patches
Diane,I don't have experience withsyringe feedingcats. But, I wanted to tell you I will be thinking about you and Patches and praying that he will start gaining weight. Is he FeLV+?Gina."Rosenfeldt, Diane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm worried about Patches. The little bugger just won't eat enough. He's been sickly since we got him, with runny eyes every day, but it's been worse in the past week or so. We took him to the vet Saturday, and he had a fever, so the vet put him on antibiotics (I don't even remember which one, it's kind of a gray pill that we give 1/2 per day) and gave us eyedrops and set us up to syringe-feed him and give fluids as needed. We think the fever is down, he's somewhat more active than he was a few days ago, and his eyes are looking better, though still runny. I haven't seen him sneezing, though sometimes it looks like he's got the same dried gunk in his nose as in his eyes. We've been syringe-feeding him, which he of course hates, but we can only get about half a can down him which isn't enough, and he's probably down a good pound by now. My housemate is on 3rd shift, I work days, so the only time we can syringe him is at night. We tried KFC, warmed, and he showed an interest the first time, but not so much the two subsequent times. Tonight we try baby food. When our Luc got pancreatitis followed by fatty liver and stopped eating, we had to have an esophageal tube put in, it was so stressful on us all to syringe him, but that ended up costing us $1200 ($600 of it for the overnight stay at the vet because he doesn't tolerate anesthesia very well)which was most of my savings and some of Gail's. Luc is our special guy and it saved his life and it was worth it, but we simply can't afford that again.Patches has been very good under very bad circumstances. Even when he's fighting to get away from the syringe, he doesn't use his claws or try to bite. Multiple times during the feedings he'll look like he's going to barf, but he has kept it all down. He's a sweet boy and we want him to get through this. Any suggestions on how to get some good calories into him? I'm off work tomorrow and we can probably manage 3 syringe sessions for the next couple days, but I'm not sure that will be enough. He goes back to the vet Saturday. (Gail has just informed me that she tried thin-sliced luncheon meat on him this morning, and he ate a whole slice. She offered him a second slice, but he yacked on it (just a little bit though) and walked away. Oh, and last night he ate *one* of the treats he used to climb up our noses to get.)Diane R.This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged.They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out.
Archives?
How/where do I find the archives?Thank you, Gina Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Diane,Have you tried the raw liver shake yet?Even tho it's primarily used for anemia, it'ssupposed to be very healing (was developed bya holistic vet in Hawaii). My kitties alwaysseem to like it whenever they've been underthe weather. It's listed in the archives, butif you have trouble finding it, I can forwardanother copy to you.Kat (Mew Jersey)On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:15:51 -0500 From: "Rosenfeldt, Diane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Patches I'm worried about Patches. The little bugger just won't eat enough. He's been sickly since we got him, with runny eyes every day, but it's been worse in the past week or so. We took him to the vet Saturday, and he had a fever, so the vet put him on antibiotics (I don't even remember which one, it's kind of a gray pill that we give 1/2 per day) and gave us eyedrops and set us up to syringe-feed him and give fluids as needed. We think the fever is down, he's somewhat more active than he was a few days ago, and his eyes are looking better, though still runny. I haven't seen him sneezing, though sometimes it looks like he's got the same dried gunk in his nose as in his eyes. We've been syringe-feeding him, which he of course hates, but we can only get about half a can down him which isn't enough, and he's probably down a good pound by now. My housemate is on 3rd shift, I work days, so the only time we can syringe him is at night. We tried KFC, warmed, and he showed an interest the first time, but not so much the two subsequent times. Tonight we try baby food. When our Luc got pancreatitis followed by fatty liver and stopped eating, we had to have an esophageal tube put in, it was so stressful on us all to syringe him, but that ended up costing us $1200 ($600 of it for the overnight stay at the vet because he doesn't tolerate anesthesia very well) which was most of my savings and some of Gail's. Luc is our special guy and it saved his life and it was worth it, but we simply can't afford that again. Patches has been very good under very bad circumstances. Even when he's fighting to get away from the syringe, he doesn't use his claws or try to bite. Multiple times during the feedings he'll look like he's going to barf, but he has kept it all down. He's a sweet boy and we want him to get through this. Any suggestions on how to get some good calories into him? I'm off work tomorrow and we can probably manage 3 syringe sessions for the next couple days, but I'm not sure that will be enough. He goes back to the vet Saturday. (Gail has just informed me that she tried thin-sliced luncheon meat on him this morning, and he ate a whole slice. She offered him a second slice, but he yacked on it (just a little bit though) and walked away. Oh, and last night he ate *one* of the treats he used to climb up our noses to get.) Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
RE: Archives?
Title: Message Go to www.felineleukemia.org home page. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gina WNSent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 2:17 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Archives? How/where do I find the archives? Thank you, Gina Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Diane,Have you tried the raw liver shake yet?Even tho it's primarily used for anemia, it'ssupposed to be very healing (was developed bya holistic vet in Hawaii). My kitties alwaysseem to like it whenever they've been underthe weather. It's listed in the archives, butif you have trouble finding it, I can forwardanother copy to you.Kat (Mew Jersey)On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:15:51 -0500 From: "Rosenfeldt, Diane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Patches I'm worried about Patches. The little bugger just won't eat enough. He's been sickly since we got him, with runny eyes every day, but it's been worse in the past week or so. We took him to the vet Saturday, and he had a fever, so the vet put him on antibiotics (I don't even remember which one, it's kind of a gray pill that we give 1/2 per day) and gave us eyedrops and set us up to syringe-feed him and give fluids as needed. We think the fever is down, he's somewhat more active than he was a few days ago, and his eyes are looking better, though still runny. I haven't seen him sneezing, though sometimes it looks like he's got the same dried gunk in his nose as in his eyes. We've been syringe-feeding him, which he of course hates, but we can only get about half a can down him which isn't enough, and he's probably down a good pound by now. My housemate is on 3rd shift, I work days, so the only time we can syringe him is at night. We tried KFC, warmed, and he showed an interest the first time, but not so much the two subsequent times. Tonight we try baby food. When our Luc got pancreatitis followed by fatty liver and stopped eating, we had to have an esophageal tube put in, it was so stressful on us all to syringe him, but that ended up costing us $1200 ($600 of it for the overnight stay at the vet because he doesn't tolerate anesthesia very well) which was most of my savings and some of Gail's. Luc is our special guy and it saved his life and it was worth it, but we simply can't afford that again. Patches has been very good under very bad circumstances. Even when he's fighting to get away from the syringe, he doesn't use his claws or try to bite. Multiple times during the feedings he'll look like he's going to barf, but he has kept it all down. He's a sweet boy and we want him to get through this. Any suggestions on how to get some good calories into him? I'm off work tomorrow and we can probably manage 3 syringe sessions for the next couple days, but I'm not sure that will be enough. He goes back to the vet Saturday. (Gail has just informed me that she tried thin-sliced luncheon meat on him this morning, and he ate a whole slice. She offered him a second slice, but he yacked on it (just a little bit though) and walked away. Oh, and last night he ate *one* of the treats he used to climb up our noses to get.) Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Do you Yahoo!?Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax
Re: Archives?
You can go to felvtalk and enter a word or phrase in the search field, then hit enter. Here's the link: http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk%40felineleukemia.org/ Let us know if you have any trouble, Nina Gina WN wrote: How/where do I find the archives? Thank you, Gina
RE: Archives?
Thanks, that was going to be my next question! The liver shake looksabsolutely awful. Still, it's definitely worth a shot. Thanks, Kat, for pointing me toward it. Am I to assume that one gets kelp powder and spirulina at a health food store? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 2:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Archives? You can go to felvtalk and enter a word or phrase in the search field, then hit enter. Here's the link: http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk%40felineleukemia.org/ Let us know if you have any trouble, Nina Gina WN wrote: How/where do I find the archives? Thank you, Gina This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: Sick kitty manual
Absolutely. Sending it right now. Let me know if you don't get it in five minutes. :) Wendy --- Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, can you send me the manual? Thank you! Gina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marissa, My name is Wendy. I've been on this list since last October and probably will never leave. The people here got me through one of the hardest times in my life when my baby Cricket was sick with anemia from the FeLV, and died after three weeks of trying to get him to turn around. Everyone here is so knowledgeable and helpful, and I stick around now to try to help new people just like you. Your vet is right. Many cats throw the virus off, and some just carry it around. And even if he does test positive, there are absolutely things you can do to prolong his life. The two most important things to keep in mind with FeLV positives is a stress free environment and immune boosting including food and supplements. A lot of people use the Evo. I think what Maggie and Kerry said about mixing the old food with the new and then slowly decreasing the old might work for your baby. It will take time. Mine are on the Evo, wet and dry, and it is great stuff. Probably the best on the market, in my opinion. Some do the raw diet. Whatever you end up feeding him, make sure it has no grains in it. As far as supplements go, there are several routes you can go. Vitamin C is supposed to be a great immune booster. Some people even claim that it can turn positives to negatives. L-lysine (WITHOUT) propylene glycol is also good for immune boosting, especially if he has feline herpes, which either can't be or isn't easy to be tested for (can't remember). I say he might have it because sneezing and URI's are typical symptoms. Many cats have herpes, so it's no big deal. The L-lysine helps a great deal with keeping that in remission. It's kind of like cold sores for us. The lysine is great because kitty won't be able to taste it. I just mix it in with the wet food. I leave out dry for mine, and feed wet in the morn and eve. I have a kitty with hyperthyroidism that gets chicken broth twice a day, which some kitties love, and cooked chicken at night. The chicken broth is just the byproduct of cooking the chicken in water. I always feed it to my sick kitties; not all eat it though. I have also compiled a sick kitty manual that has a lot of good info. in it. It's good even if your kitty is not sick. I took months of posts and info. from this site along with personal research and combined it to make the manual. It's in glossary form and cross-referenced in a Word document. Let me know if you'd like it and I'll send it to you directly as the list won't allow attachments. I always say people who are dog people have never been loved by a cat. We'll see what you have to say in a few months about that. LOL. I love the name Slinky, btw. If you have ANY questions, just ask. We're here to help. :) Wendy Dallas, Tx __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines - Groups are talking. Weacute;re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 16
Leslie, I know exactly what you mean. At first I was really upset with the shelter for the mistakes they made with these guys. I kind of felt like they let me adopt these girls and fall madly in love with them only to find out they were + and not going to survive long (or so I was told). This group has helped me see the error of my thinking and has given me hope too. Now my girls are 8 months old and doing great. I can't believe I'm saying this, but knowing what I know now, I would have still adopted them even if I had known they were positive. I can't imagine life anymore without these two little imps! Maggie -- Original message -- From: Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's little pick-me-up for you all, the other + kitten, Trixie's littermate, Powder, at the Humane Society. Such doll she is with her little bobtail: http://www.oregonhumane.org/cats/detail.asp?animalID=45143 And then on to business. All I can say is wow. For the first time in so long, I feel real hope, not just manufactured-talk-yourself-into-it-because-being-depressed-for-too-long-sucks hope. And what gives me the most confidence in what you all are saying is that it makes sense. It's simple, it's natural, it's much less dramatic than we overreactive species like to make things. And it's also what my mom has been saying, but her overreactive daughter (me) in true daughter fashion has been sighing and saying in my head, Oh Mom, you don't know. :) You can never give them a big enough Mother's Day Gift, can you? What I like most about what you (Chris and Belinda) say, is that there are exceptions. Many exceptions. You're not saying that the rule is wrong, but that maybe it's not as set in stone as we are told. I believed fully that a + cat had no place on the euthanasia list, but I was beginning to doubt that I could enter into loving these guys with any hope that they would make it. After all, I love them, groom them, keep them in a safe, low-stress, but high-fun environment, feed high quality food (Evo dry and a raw mix), and supplement when recommended by my vet, but I've lost two before owning them two years. I'd heard rumors that + cats can live full lives, but to see so many of you with cats that have lived outside of expectation, it just gives me hope. Don't worry, I know that the rules are still there, but it helps. So, thank you, and I'm more eager than ever to talk to my vet next week. Leslie
To Diane Re: Patches
Diane, I would definitely get some Hill's A/D (wet canned) into him. A/D stands for anorexic diet and you have to get it from your vet b/c it's prescrip. It's good stuff for inappetance. You'll mix it with a little water so it will go smoothly through the syringe. It's really smooth stuff. Whatever you do get into him, I would mix 500 mg. of L-lysine (without the ingredient propenol glycol) into two different feedings a day, preferably morning and night (1k mg total). It might take some time, but it will start to boost his immune system. My Smookie came to us with a corneal ulcer and a runny nose (symptoms of feline herpes), and nothing helped, not even weeks of anti-viral or antibiotic eye drops. She had already lost one eye to a corneal ulcer (we think) before we adopted her, so it was imperative that we save the other one. After starting her on the L-lysine, the ulcer FINALLY went away, as did the runny nose. She still has a crusty in her nose every now and then, but no more eye problems. She is not on the lysine anymore. I hope this helps. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Patches
Diane, Please don't feel like a slime about the money issue. The reality of the situation is that if you don't have it, you don't have it. And what good will you do ANY kitty if you're bankrupt, right? Everyone here knows exactly how you feel and we all understand, and have talked about (if you want to read in the archives) the reality of money being a deciding factor in our cats' care. :) Wendy --- Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks so much, Nina and Maggie. The vet was nonspecific, just said he was running a fever and had an infection. I'm 30 miles from the antibiotics, but know it isn't Clavamox or any of the usual suspects I'm familiar with. I think our vets are fairly up on FeLV. They did mention euthanasia as one option, but I think it was because they knew Patches was a stray who fell into our lap and weren't sure if we were up for the challenge rather than considering it the best way to go per se. They also offered a couple more ways to go, one of them being what we're doing, isolation and *trying* to get him back in shape after whatever he went through out on the streets. Re: Luc. Actually, we really only nursed him through the fatty liver part. The pancreatitis was only diagnosed after the fact as a cause for him stopping eating after the fatty liver was well under way. We have 5 cats who eat communally so we don't always notice right away if one of them is off its food, and it took a few days to notice that Luc was spending a lot of time on the couch, curled up as opposed to sprawling anywhere he felt like a lie-down. So we didn't get him to the vet right away when he stopped eating, and by then his liver values were really bad. He had an ultrasound but I'm not sure if it was even worth it, except that it's the step they take before doing a biopsy. It showed something bright, LOL, most conclusive. I completely HATE that money has to play a part in the decisions we make for our babies. I feel like the biggest slime on earth when I have to decline a much better option for them because it's too pricey or requires time I don't have. It was so hard, with Luc, wanting desperately to get him through this because Gail and I both love him so much, and having to gamble with huge amounts of money (for us) on an uncertain prognosis. As I said, it was successful and therefore worth every penny (though we really thought $600 was a lot for an overnighter, but this vet was our only option at the time) but if it hadn't worked out I'd have been bitter forever about the money. And this is just me, a private person who is apparently a cat magnet. I can't even think about those of you who do rescue, all the expenses you incur and the decisions you have to make because of them. You're all heroes. ;-) Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Patches Hi Diane, I can't tell you how sorry I am to hear Patches hasn't been feeling well. It's a very good sign that he's begun to improve, but you're right, it's critical that you get him to eat something and keep as much weight on him as possible. It would be a good idea to find out what kind of abx you are giving him. Unfortunately, most of us have had to take crash courses on veterinary care to insure our babies are properly diagnosed and treated. We don't have time to mess around with even educated guesses. Felv, in and of itself, is not what our kids die from, it's the secondary, opportunistic, illnesses that are able to take hold because of their weakened immune responses that cause the problems. You're doing great in keeping on top of the illness, it's good that you went to the vet, but you need to know exactly what is wrong in order to treat Patches quickly and help him fight whatever is going on. You've had experience with lack of appetite before, so you probably know a lot of tricks to get them to eat. When they don't feel good you have to keep switching foods because they tend to blame whatever they're eating on how crummy they feel. Of course if he can't smell, he won't want to eat either. Have you tried warming his food to bring out the aroma? Sometimes they'll lap, but not chew. Sometimes they want a bowl, not a plate and visa versa. Try offering a bit of food, (make it small portions, large amounts seem to intimidate), right after the first attempt at syringe feeding, sometimes it sort of kick starts them eating. I'm sorry to hear about your Luc. Are you saying you nursed him through Pancreatitis and fatty liver disease?? Talk about the power of love and dedication! Most of us on the list have had to deal with money becoming a factor in our kid's care. It just sucks. My credit cards still have room,
RE: To Diane Re: Patches
Thanks, Wendy. We've already got him on A/D, which at first he gobbled, then the next day wouldn't touch. It was much the same with Luc, although after we later had him intubated, A/D (as we had prepared it to syringe into the tube) was the first food he took on his own again. Go figure. We've got the L-Lysine too, and were crushing it into Patches' food, which he wasn't eating enough of to get any benefit of the L-Lysine. Part of our problem was that his appetite was good until about the same time as we started with the L-Lysine so there was always the suspicion that it was somehow putting him off his food (along with 3 or 4 other possible contributory items, but the L-Lysine was the only one of them we had any control over, so we discontinued using it in hopes he'd decide we weren't trying to poison him. With him now openly feeling crappy, it's fairly clear this was coincidence. So we'll crush some into the A/D or whatever else we give him. Is it okay to add it to the Liver Shake? Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: To Diane Re: Patches Diane, I would definitely get some Hill's A/D (wet canned) into him. A/D stands for anorexic diet and you have to get it from your vet b/c it's prescrip. It's good stuff for inappetance. You'll mix it with a little water so it will go smoothly through the syringe. It's really smooth stuff. Whatever you do get into him, I would mix 500 mg. of L-lysine (without the ingredient propenol glycol) into two different feedings a day, preferably morning and night (1k mg total). It might take some time, but it will start to boost his immune system. My Smookie came to us with a corneal ulcer and a runny nose (symptoms of feline herpes), and nothing helped, not even weeks of anti-viral or antibiotic eye drops. She had already lost one eye to a corneal ulcer (we think) before we adopted her, so it was imperative that we save the other one. After starting her on the L-lysine, the ulcer FINALLY went away, as did the runny nose. She still has a crusty in her nose every now and then, but no more eye problems. She is not on the lysine anymore. I hope this helps. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
To Leslie Re: Introduction and new cat question
Hey Leslie, You're right, the FeLV vaccinations aren't 100% effective. I think it's more like 80% or so; not sure. But the vaccinations, coupled with the fact that FeLV is NOT easy to spread, makes for a good combination when mixing pos's and neg's. My cats (3; one very geriatric) lived with my Cricket for four years, and I didn't know he had FeLV for the first two years, so they weren't vaccinated then. None of the 3 have FeLV now, and Cricket has been gone for 9 months. Many people here mix too. So I am big believer in mixing. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: To Diane Re: Patches
I think you can add the lyine into just about anything. I think once he's got enough calories into him to start feeling good again, he'll start eating again. The inappetance is like a catch 22. Damned if you do feed them, really damned if you don't. lol. And inappetance can really compound a problem, making it seem a lot worse than it is. If they don't feel good, they don't eat, and if they don't eat, they really don't feel good, and it goes on. I hope you guys have lots of success getting him to eat on his own again and soon! :) Wendy --- Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Wendy. We've already got him on A/D, which at first he gobbled, then the next day wouldn't touch. It was much the same with Luc, although after we later had him intubated, A/D (as we had prepared it to syringe into the tube) was the first food he took on his own again. Go figure. We've got the L-Lysine too, and were crushing it into Patches' food, which he wasn't eating enough of to get any benefit of the L-Lysine. Part of our problem was that his appetite was good until about the same time as we started with the L-Lysine so there was always the suspicion that it was somehow putting him off his food (along with 3 or 4 other possible contributory items, but the L-Lysine was the only one of them we had any control over, so we discontinued using it in hopes he'd decide we weren't trying to poison him. With him now openly feeling crappy, it's fairly clear this was coincidence. So we'll crush some into the A/D or whatever else we give him. Is it okay to add it to the Liver Shake? Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: To Diane Re: Patches Diane, I would definitely get some Hill's A/D (wet canned) into him. A/D stands for anorexic diet and you have to get it from your vet b/c it's prescrip. It's good stuff for inappetance. You'll mix it with a little water so it will go smoothly through the syringe. It's really smooth stuff. Whatever you do get into him, I would mix 500 mg. of L-lysine (without the ingredient propenol glycol) into two different feedings a day, preferably morning and night (1k mg total). It might take some time, but it will start to boost his immune system. My Smookie came to us with a corneal ulcer and a runny nose (symptoms of feline herpes), and nothing helped, not even weeks of anti-viral or antibiotic eye drops. She had already lost one eye to a corneal ulcer (we think) before we adopted her, so it was imperative that we save the other one. After starting her on the L-lysine, the ulcer FINALLY went away, as did the runny nose. She still has a crusty in her nose every now and then, but no more eye problems. She is not on the lysine anymore. I hope this helps. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
To Diane RE: FeLV+ Adoption/ Foster Care
I can't remember if this tax credit is good or not for room air conditioners (I know it is for big central units), but for 2006 taxes, there is a credit for using energy efficient models. We had to put a new unit in this summer, and are fixing to go tankless b/c our water heater is going out, and both will bring us a credit for next tax season. Ask your tax prof. or look online at irs.gov if you're interested. :) Wendy --- Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL, this weekend I went out and got 2 room air conditioners at Best Buy for $100 each. They're bare-bones (no thermostat, no reverse vent) but they do a great job and are surprisingly efficient, Energystar-wise. One went in my bedroom window (hey, I was saving lives -- you don't want me not sleeping for 3 nights in a row) and the other went into the room where Patches is staying. Poor guy had a fever anyway and the heat was horrible. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:56 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FeLV+ Adoption/ Foster Care You may also want to start him on Feliway and Rescue Remedy and other de-stressors. This is very difficult for him. Room air conditioners can be picked up pretty cheap this time of year if that would be better than a fan. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Hoffman mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:48 AM Subject: Re: FeLV+ Adoption/ Foster Care I suggest you settle in for the long haul and get a fan in that bedroom. It takes time to find a good adoptive home for an FeLV+ cat even under the best of circumstances. Was this the ELISA test or the IFA? What other health issues, if any, is the cat having? Approximate age? How's his body weight, appetite, etc.? Give him time to get past any health issues he is having. They are likely the result of life on the streets more than FeLV status. Also, if a cat is debilitated or stressed, you can get a false positive with the ELISA test. So get him healthy, get some weight on him, and retest with the IFA in a month or two. I would want a very accurate read on FeLV status before I could assess whether a potential home was appropriate or not. Evan Dee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are in desperate need of placement. About 2 to 3 weeks ago a stray cat showed up on our property. For the 1st week or two we could not go near him. We fed him regularly as we could see he was in need of veterinary care. Finally, he let us near him we scheduled a vet appointment on Monday, 08/01/06. To our grave disappointment he is FeLV+. The vet started to give us options, one of which was euthanasia. I stopped her mid-conversation said That Was Not An Option. The vet said due to ethical dilemmas we needed to keep him indoors (to prevent the spread of FeLV reduce his infection risks). However, staying with us is only a TEMPORARY solution. We have 10 healthy indoor cats, 2 of which also go outside in a fence, of our own. We do NOT want them exposed to this virus so the poor dear is isolated/quarantined to his own bedroom, which does not have air conditioning gets fairly hot. This is no way for a feline to live! But this is the best solution we have for him right now on such short notice. Do you know of anyone who can help us? We live in the Western part of Pennsylvania. We would be willing to transport to an adoptive home (after proper adoption screening) or foster placement. I can be reached at the above email or by cell phone, (814) 229-5678. Thank you. ~Dee No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/405 - Release Date: 8/1/2006 This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained
RE: Slinky Update: Good News
Great news MJ! Good for Slinky! About your vet's immunity statment: tell that vet I asked if he'd personally do an experiment with L-lyine on some symptomatic feline herpes kitties (test group vs. non-test group) and then tell me that you can't boost their immune systems! If you can boost our immune systems, why couldn't you boost an animal's? Isn't that what different HIV+ patients are doing when they take anti-virals and other meds??? I can't believe he made that statment. Sorry about the vent. Again, so happy for Slinky! :) Wendy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marissa Johnson Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Slinky Update: Good News Hi again all. Just thought I'd let you know that all is well with Slinky. I went up to get his meds today and decided to take him with to have them weigh him. He's actually gained about 1/2 a pound, maybe a little more since I was last there a week and a half ago. And the nurse looked at him and said he looked perfect. :) She also cleaned out his ears (which were quite goopy since I've been giving him mitricide). The doctor even came out and talked with me a bit (he didn't think the chemicals used for the roaches would be a problem for him since they're not for other cats...said they tend not to affect mammals much). He also gave him the first of the 2 Drontal tablets so I wouldn't have to try to get him to take it. So that was helpful!!! My baby did GREAT. Didn't even make much noise in the car and didn't flinch at all when they cleaned his ears and gave him the pill. Such a good boy!!! I told both the nurse and the vet about this group so that if they have others who have positive cats, they can pass on the info. The nurse was thrilled...and shocked to hear that some vets recommend immediate euthanasia. The doctor was already familiar with the site. He said that there's really nothing you can do to boost his immune system, but that nothing I did would hurt him (not a great response, but ok). But he kept reiterating that he has every chance of having a normal life expectancy and staying healthy...or of testing negative in a few months. So that was helpful! I told him I was going to keep up with the natural food, supplements, etc. so that at least I'd feel like I was doing something to help him. Anyway...just thought I'd share. Thanks for all your help with trying to figure out his weight and bonyness issues. I appreciate it!!! MJ See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40762/*http://www.yahoo.com/preview This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: To Diane RE: FeLV+ Adoption/ Foster Care
God, I sure am. I was surprised that these units had such a good rating, since I had guiltily been going for cheap. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: To Diane RE: FeLV+ Adoption/ Foster Care I can't remember if this tax credit is good or not for room air conditioners (I know it is for big central units), but for 2006 taxes, there is a credit for using energy efficient models. We had to put a new unit in this summer, and are fixing to go tankless b/c our water heater is going out, and both will bring us a credit for next tax season. Ask your tax prof. or look online at irs.gov if you're interested. :) Wendy --- Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL, this weekend I went out and got 2 room air conditioners at Best Buy for $100 each. They're bare-bones (no thermostat, no reverse vent) but they do a great job and are surprisingly efficient, Energystar-wise. One went in my bedroom window (hey, I was saving lives -- you don't want me not sleeping for 3 nights in a row) and the other went into the room where Patches is staying. Poor guy had a fever anyway and the heat was horrible. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:56 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FeLV+ Adoption/ Foster Care You may also want to start him on Feliway and Rescue Remedy and other de-stressors. This is very difficult for him. Room air conditioners can be picked up pretty cheap this time of year if that would be better than a fan. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Hoffman mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:48 AM Subject: Re: FeLV+ Adoption/ Foster Care I suggest you settle in for the long haul and get a fan in that bedroom. It takes time to find a good adoptive home for an FeLV+ cat even under the best of circumstances. Was this the ELISA test or the IFA? What other health issues, if any, is the cat having? Approximate age? How's his body weight, appetite, etc.? Give him time to get past any health issues he is having. They are likely the result of life on the streets more than FeLV status. Also, if a cat is debilitated or stressed, you can get a false positive with the ELISA test. So get him healthy, get some weight on him, and retest with the IFA in a month or two. I would want a very accurate read on FeLV status before I could assess whether a potential home was appropriate or not. Evan Dee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are in desperate need of placement. About 2 to 3 weeks ago a stray cat showed up on our property. For the 1st week or two we could not go near him. We fed him regularly as we could see he was in need of veterinary care. Finally, he let us near him we scheduled a vet appointment on Monday, 08/01/06. To our grave disappointment he is FeLV+. The vet started to give us options, one of which was euthanasia. I stopped her mid-conversation said That Was Not An Option. The vet said due to ethical dilemmas we needed to keep him indoors (to prevent the spread of FeLV reduce his infection risks). However, staying with us is only a TEMPORARY solution. We have 10 healthy indoor cats, 2 of which also go outside in a fence, of our own. We do NOT want them exposed to this virus so the poor dear is isolated/quarantined to his own bedroom, which does not have air conditioning gets fairly hot. This is no way for a feline to live! But this is the best solution we have for him right now on such short notice. Do you know of anyone who can help us? We live in the Western part of Pennsylvania. We would be willing to transport to an adoptive home (after proper adoption screening) or foster placement. I can be reached at the above email or by cell phone, (814) 229-5678. Thank you. ~Dee
Re: Patches
I would recommend Immuno-Regulin for Patches' symptoms. Michelle
Update on Loca
Just a little update on my FeLV+ kitten, Loca. We are giving her interferon 7 days on, 7 days off, plus acat vitamin supplement. She's on Royal Canin kitten food - unfortunately there's really not much of a variety of quality cat food here. So far I am very happy with her progress. She has actually been the healthiest of my 3 cats lately. It's winter here so it is common for cats to get respiratory infections. My adult cat and the other kitten both got sick. I isolated them from her to try to keep her from getting sick. She sneezed for about a day and then was fine while the others were pretty sick. I was happily surprised since I was very concerned that she would be more at risk of being the sickest.
Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 16
i knew almost nothing about FeLV when i went to live/work at an FIV/FeLV sanctuary, other than it was a horrible thing. the very first day i was there, i had to medicate some of the 30 young 'uns (between 2 and 9 months of age)--sitting in that room, with all of those sweethearts crawling all over me and purring their little heads off, all i could think of was, how can ANYONE say that you don't have a right to be on this earth? On 8/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leslie, I know exactly what you mean. At first I was really upset with the shelter for the mistakes they made with these guys. I kind of felt like they let me adopt these girls and fall madly in love with them only to find out they were + and not going to survive long (or so I was told). This group has helped me see the error of my thinking and has given me hope too. Now my girls are 8 months old and doing great. I can't believe I'm saying this, but knowing what I know now, I would have still adopted them even if I had known they were positive. I can't imagine life anymore without these two little imps! Maggie -- Original message -- From: Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's little pick-me-up for you all, the other + kitten, Trixie's littermate, Powder, at the Humane Society. Such doll she is with her little bobtail: http://www.oregonhumane.org/cats/detail.asp?animalID=45143 And then on to business. All I can say is wow. For the first time in so long, I feel real hope, not just manufactured-talk-yourself-into-it-because-being-depressed-for-too-long-sucks hope. And what gives me the most confidence in what you all are saying is that it makes sense. It's simple, it's natural, it's much less dramatic than we overreactive species like to make things. And it's also what my mom has been saying, but her overreactive daughter (me) in true daughter fashion has been sighing and saying in my head, Oh Mom, you don't know. :) You can never give them a big enough Mother's Day Gift, can you? What I like most about what you (Chris and Belinda) say, is that there are exceptions. Many exceptions. You're not saying that the rule is wrong, but that maybe it's not as set in stone as we are told. I believed fully that a + cat had no place on the euthanasia list, but I was beginning to doubt that I could enter into loving these guys with any hope that they would make it. After all, I love them, groom them, keep them in a safe, low-stress, but high-fun environment, feed high quality food (Evo dry and a raw mix), and supplement when recommended by my vet, but I've lost two before owning them two years. I'd heard rumors that + cats can live full lives, but to see so many of you with cats that have lived outside of expectation, it just gives me hope. Don't worry, I know that the rules are still there, but it helps. So, thank you, and I'm more eager than ever to talk to my vet next week. Leslie -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Archives?
That is an excellent resource! Thank you :)Gina Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can go to "felvtalk" and enter a word or phrase in the search field, then hit enter. Here's the link: http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk%40felineleukemia.org/Let us know if you have any trouble,NinaGina WN wrote: How/where do I find the archives? Thank you, GinaNo heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Re: I treated my FeLV+ with Mega C Plus and he's now negative
Gloria, Is your Belfield's Vitamin C for human consumption or is it the Mega C Plus for cats, dogs and equine? I got Oreo as a stray. I trapped him behind the Dumpster at Kentucky Fried Chicken. What a joy he is in my life. He drags a rubber dog bone around the house and I'll find it in my bed and in his water dish. He is so happy and full of life and so intrigued with everything. I think God must have known I couldn't handle losing him to FeLV. He is truly my soulmate. My ex-roommate brought Ellie in. I said she could bring her kitten with her when she moved in. She said she'd had her tested for disease. When I moved in, I found out she hadn't. I kept begging her to get her tested. She made an appointment and then cancelled it because she didn't have the money. That was it - no concern for my 5 healthy cats. When she had Ellie spayed, I asked her to have her tested at that time. When I asked if she'd had her tested, she said, Oh yes, she's negative and they gave her a clean bill of health. When she moved out on me, I asked her to leave Ellie because Oreo and I had gotten so attached to her. I called her vet and was told she hadn't been tested. I was livid and scared. Ellie tested positive. I had my other 5 tested and to my horror, Oreo tested positive, a light positive; the other 4 were negative. I was devastated. I kept him separated from the others, had him on Mega C Plus for 3 weeks, then had him re-tested and he was negative. In the meantime, they all got upper respiratory infections except for Ellie. The vet said Ellie probably brought it in and had already dealt with it before moving in. Oreo was the only one who didn't have it as bad as the others. I attribute it to the Mega C Plus. What a nightmare my roommate was. She also almost burned down my house. That's it for roommates for a while. Kathi From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: I treated my FeLV+ with Mega C Plus and he's now negative Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:00:11 -0500 Kathi, that's so interesting. I have Belfield's Vitamin C, but haven't consistently used it with that purpose. Also - I'm wondering where you got Oreo and Ellie. And how did Ellie infect Oreo? Were they outdoors together, or did you raise them or what? Gloria On Jul 28, 2006, at 3:46 PM, Kathi Clark wrote: My cat, Oreo, also tested a light positive on ELISA and negative 1 month later on IFA. Does this mean that he is definitely negative and can be with my other cats who tested negative? I hope so because he's been with them now for about 3 weeks. The others are vaccinated against FeLV. He may be negative now because of something called Mega C Plus I started giving him right away. It was formulated in 1977 by Dr. Belfield, a veterinarian. He claims hundreds of cats have become FeLV negative since then. Here's a link that takes you to information on Mega C Plus that is worth reading: http:// www.belfield.com/JIAPM-1983.pdf Remember to back off a little if they start getting diarrhea. I have Ellie on it, too. Her IFA showed it is in her bone marrow; she infected Oreo. Apparently there is hope for her, too, according to Dr. Belfield. I, of course, keep her separated from the others. Kathi From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Some advice please-elderly cat... Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:22:43 -0500 On 7/28/06, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rita, from Purrever Ranch, asked me to post this as she can't seem to be able to post herself Have a 16 yr old black cat that has tested VERY LIGHT positive TWICE. Her lifelong buddy has tested neg each time remains with her. I have to keep them caged (large upright). They have an inside cage a porch cage. Mischief appears in the best of health, eats great, poops beautifully shows no signs or symptoms of disease or illness. Would it be safe for me to shut a room at night for them let them have some freedom if I picked up ALL bowls Litterboxes in the morning? And what exactly IS light positive? Not sure what 'light positive' means. I asked if this was on Elissa or IFA Rita runs a hospice for senior cats many of whom have various med problems so she is concenred about exposing their already compromised immune systems to FELV and exposing the FELV cat to other diseases . Any ideas? I can tell you what light positive is. Light positives are where the treated blood only changes color slightly. This means your cat is infected with the virus, but the virus is not very active in its system. From http://www.fanciers.com/other-faqs/FeLV.shtml My kitten was light positive on Elissa. She later tested negative. -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!
Re: TO GLORIA: I treated my FeLV+ with Mega C Plus and he's now negative
Gloria, Is your Belfield's Vitamin C for human consumption or is it the Mega C Plus for cats, dogs and equine? I got Oreo as a stray. I trapped him behind the Dumpster at Kentucky Fried Chicken. What a joy he is in my life. He drags a rubber dog bone around the house and I'll find it in my bed and in his water dish. He is so happy and full of life and so intrigued with everything. I think God must have known I couldn't handle losing him to FeLV. He is truly my soulmate. My ex-roommate brought Ellie in. I said she could bring her kitten with her when she moved in. She said she'd had her tested for disease. When I moved in, I found out she hadn't. I kept begging her to get her tested. She made an appointment and then cancelled it because she didn't have the money. That was it - no concern for my 5 healthy cats. When she had Ellie spayed, I asked her to have her tested at that time. When I asked if she'd had her tested, she said, Oh yes, she's negative and they gave her a clean bill of health. When she moved out on me, I asked her to leave Ellie because Oreo and I had gotten so attached to her. I called her vet and was told she hadn't been tested. I was livid and scared. Ellie tested positive. I had my other 5 tested and to my horror, Oreo tested positive, a light positive; the other 4 were negative. I was devastated. I kept him separated from the others, had him on Mega C Plus for 3 weeks, then had him re-tested and he was negative. In the meantime, they all got upper respiratory infections except for Ellie. The vet said Ellie probably brought it in and had already dealt with it before moving in. Oreo was the only one who didn't have it as bad as the others. I attribute it to the Mega C Plus. What a nightmare my roommate was. She also almost burned down my house. That's it for roommates for a while. Kathi From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: I treated my FeLV+ with Mega C Plus and he's now negative Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:00:11 -0500 Kathi, that's so interesting. I have Belfield's Vitamin C, but haven't consistently used it with that purpose. Also - I'm wondering where you got Oreo and Ellie. And how did Ellie infect Oreo? Were they outdoors together, or did you raise them or what? Gloria On Jul 28, 2006, at 3:46 PM, Kathi Clark wrote: My cat, Oreo, also tested a light positive on ELISA and negative 1 month later on IFA. Does this mean that he is definitely negative and can be with my other cats who tested negative? I hope so because he's been with them now for about 3 weeks. The others are vaccinated against FeLV. He may be negative now because of something called Mega C Plus I started giving him right away. It was formulated in 1977 by Dr. Belfield, a veterinarian. He claims hundreds of cats have become FeLV negative since then. Here's a link that takes you to information on Mega C Plus that is worth reading: http:// www.belfield.com/JIAPM-1983.pdf Remember to back off a little if they start getting diarrhea. I have Ellie on it, too. Her IFA showed it is in her bone marrow; she infected Oreo. Apparently there is hope for her, too, according to Dr. Belfield. I, of course, keep her separated from the others. Kathi From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Some advice please-elderly cat... Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:22:43 -0500 On 7/28/06, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rita, from Purrever Ranch, asked me to post this as she can't seem to be able to post herself Have a 16 yr old black cat that has tested VERY LIGHT positive TWICE. Her lifelong buddy has tested neg each time remains with her. I have to keep them caged (large upright). They have an inside cage a porch cage. Mischief appears in the best of health, eats great, poops beautifully shows no signs or symptoms of disease or illness. Would it be safe for me to shut a room at night for them let them have some freedom if I picked up ALL bowls Litterboxes in the morning? And what exactly IS light positive? Not sure what 'light positive' means. I asked if this was on Elissa or IFA Rita runs a hospice for senior cats many of whom have various med problems so she is concenred about exposing their already compromised immune systems to FELV and exposing the FELV cat to other diseases . Any ideas? I can tell you what light positive is. Light positives are where the treated blood only changes color slightly. This means your cat is infected with the virus, but the virus is not very active in its system. From http://www.fanciers.com/other-faqs/FeLV.shtml My kitten was light positive on Elissa. She later tested negative. -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!
Propylene Glycol and L-Lysine
Can anyone on the list tell me how I can find out if a particular L-Lysine supplement has Propylene Glycol in it or not?Would it be on the label? I am duh about this.Thanks! GinaNo heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Groups are talking. Were listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups.
Re: Introduction and new cat question - My experience - sorry guys it's l...
Very well said! In a message dated 8/3/2006 6:30:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Leslie, Negative cats can live with positive cats? I'd love to hear more about this from anyone that has/is successfully done it.To answer your question, I have over the course of the last 11 years mixed negatives and positives. Bailey joined us back in 1995, I had 3 cats at that time and they were all vaccinated and negative, when I found Bailey he was 5 months old and tested positive. I had him separated in his own room while I was trying to figure out how to convince hubby we were keeping him. My negatives at that time were Joey, 4 months old, Fred, about 4 years old, and Teenye, about 11 years old, all negative all vaccinated. I came home one day after having Bailey for about 5 months and couldn't find Joey, well the little stinker finally came out from under Bailey's bedroom door, he'd been sneaking in there playing with Bailey all along while I was at work. Well I didn't see any point in keeping them separate anymore, Joey had unknowingly exposed himself and everyone else for the last 5 months. I decided Bailey had found us for a reason and left everything to my faith in a higher power.I just lost Bailey on May 6th, 2006, 5 days after he turned 11 years old, he succumbed to pancreatic cancer which my vet say's mostly likely wasn't even related to his FeLV+ status, he was just unfortunate enough to get this type of cancer. In 11 years nobody ever got it from Bailey, all of my guys, ate, groomed, played, slept and on occasion had spats together. Joey and Bailey were very close and Joey so about 2 or 3 years ago I had him PCR (DNA) tested to be sure he wasn't positive and he wasn't, if anybody would have gotten it would have been him. Every year before vaccinations I had the negatives tested, everyone stayed negative. My vet wasn't in the least bit worried about them all living together, it's a well known fact to anyone that is knowledgeable about FeLV that it isn't as easy to catch as way too many vets who are NOT knowledgeable on FeLV will tell you. A healthy, adult, vaccinated cat has almost zero chance of getting it from a positive, and if they did their own immune system would almost certainly fight it off and they would turn negative.Kittens are alittle more susceptible but in my personal experience back in the 90's before I even know what FeLV was I had 5 cats all indoor, my then vet didn't tell me to vaccinate them for FeLV and being all indoor I wasn't too worried about it. Well long story short, come to find out 4 of my 5 were positive, Buddie whom I got at 8 weeks of age and she wasn't vaccinated for FeLV either at that time because at that time I didn't know I had any positives, she was the only one who tested negative when I did have them all tested. So this 8 week old unvaccinated kitten was around unknown positives all along and never got it. Teenye tested positive but turned negative and the other three I lost in a 15 month period to cancer and anemia. I don't know how many were positive when I got them because being naive back then and having a vet who wasn't very knowledgeable about it I never had any of them tested until one got sick.The current statistics say 1/3 of the positives will fight it off and be negative, I personally think that number is higher, because in my opinion many are never diagnosed, 1/3 will have it and be unsymptomatic for all or most of their lives, many of these in my opinion remain undiagnosed also, so people may have positives and never know it, and 1/3 may be sickly most of their lives and will eventually succumb to an opportunistic disease such as lymphoma, an anemia related illness, or something as simple as a severe URI, chronic herpes, or other viral infection that they just can't fight off. Of the last 1/3 that are sickly many will get it while very young, at birth or soon after birth.But as with anything there are exceptions to this rule also and Bailey is a testament to that, at 5 months he was already positive and who knows when he contracted it. He was healthy all his life until about the last year or so, his first problem was with his teeth, we fixed that and he was fine again until his last 5 months when he turned up anemic which we corrected, but we never could find the cancer we were sure he had. We didn't find it until he past and like I said my vet didn't think his positive status had anything to do with it, it wasn't a cancer that is associated or common with positives.ANY vet who suggests killing a cat simply because they test positive would NOT be touching any of my furkids, if they are that ignorant about the virus, who knows how ignorant they are about other things??-- Belindahappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kittieshttp://bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candlelight Servicehttp://bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web
Re: Propylene Glycol and L-Lysine
the least expensive way to get lysine is to go online and find one of the many places that carries NOW brand in the one-poung powdered form. there ARE other good, natural brands, that's just one i know fairly well. retail is $14.99/lb, but there are places you can get it for as little as $7.99/lb. that works out to about 400+ doses! On 8/3/06, Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone on the list tell me how I can find out if a particular L-Lysine supplement has Propylene Glycol in it or not?Would it be on the label? I am duh about this. Thanks! Gina No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Propylene Glycol and L-Lysine
where do you guys get it from? the L-lysine I mean Karen
Re: Propylene Glycol and L-Lysine
you can start here: www.bizrate.com and type in l-lysine powder in the search box this is where we used to get it, but there are less expensive placeshttp://www.totaldiscountvitamins.com/merchant/tdvhomeframe.htm On 8/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: where do you guys get it from? the L-lysine I mean Karen-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Propylene Glycol and L-Lysine
Propylene glycol would be in the list of ingredients. If it's all natural, it shouldn't be added. Propylene glycol can cause blood problems in cats. :) Wendy --- Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went to my local health food store today and happened to buy the NOW brand. I told them it was for my kitten who tested FeLV+ and I got a surprised look. They were interested to know if my vet suggested it and I said no, a FeLV support group. :) Gina TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the least expensive way to get lysine is to go online and find one of the many places that carries NOW brand in the one-poung powdered form. there ARE other good, natural brands, that's just one i know fairly well. retail is $14.99/lb, but there are places you can get it for as little as $7.99/lb. that works out to about 400+ doses! On 8/3/06, Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone on the list tell me how I can find out if a particular L-Lysine supplement has Propylene Glycol in it or not? Would it be on the label? I am duh about this. Thanks! Gina No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines - Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines - Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
