Re: Question #2: Grooming

2006-08-22 Thread Precious Pets, Almost Home
I agreed with MC observations and suggestions
regarding grooming!  You have to go on what each
individual cat likes when it comes to different
grooming tasks!  

I find that most cats in general like to be brushed. 
Brushing can be a positive bonding experience for you
and the cat.  MC's suggestion regarding the Zoom Groom
is correct.  My cats love the Zoom Groom when I have
time to use it.  I usually brush only the cats that
are long hair or are fat.  Fat cats have a difficult
time grooming their hind end due to their weight and
get knotted up.  Cat rescue keeps me pretty busy!  I
think my rescues get more attention then my own
personal cats!  I feel guilty alot of times regarding
not having enough time for my own cats.

Baths are a different story!  Usually that is the
worldwide wrestling of human verses kitty!  I will not
give a bath to a cat or kitten unless they are dirty
from dirt, grease, urine, feces or other substances.  
   I specialize in orphan kittens under the age of
4 weeks.  That is when I give alot of baths.  My last
litter of kittens that was three days old when I got
them required three baths a day!  Talk about dish pan
hands!

Nail clipping usually is done in sessions.  If I can
get two to three nails clipped, I count my blessings! 
If I get a whole paw or two, I feel truly lucky and I
am off to play the lottery!  I try to remember to
clip nails once a month with the rescues.  My own
personal cats is when their nails catch on me or
anything else!  I have the best success when I go to
the vet.  The cats are so upset about not being home
that they will let me clip all four paws!

I do not have time to brush teeth with any of the
cats, rescues or private!  I have heard that once a
day is good!  With my FIV cats (private and rescues),
I will use a dental variety (regular or prescription)
dry food to help with their teeth.

Ear cleaning is done only when necessity!  My personal
cats ears rarely get cleaned because usually do not
need it.  The rescue cats ears are checked, elevated
and cleaned once when coming in.  If infected, they
are treated for the infection until it clears up and
left alone afterward.  You have to be careful about
ear cleaning!  Too much ear cleaning can cause a yeast
infection!

Precious Pets

--- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 combing/brushing has a lot to do with the particular
 cat--i have persians
 and dlhs, so we sit around and knit ourselves
 together. i am incapable
 of holding a cat without checking for mats, and
 starting out detangling with
 fingers i have brushes and combs all over the
 house (those that the cats
 haven't hidden on me, at least, including next to
 the bed. last year, i
 broke down and bought a clipper, because matted
 persians will allow clipping
 WAY before they'll accept having the knots removed
 less mechanically!
 
 with short-haired cats, brushing isn't AS vital,
 however, if you go and get
 yourself a Zoom Groom, which most cats LOVE, you'll
 be amazed at how much
 stuff is hanging out on your short-haired cat! in
 fact, i'm almost
 convinced that short-hairs shed MORE than long-hairs
 do. prices vary, but it
 shouldn't be much more than
 this:http://www.petcarecentral.com/ko-117.html i've
 had cats who hate being brushed FIGHT over whose
 turn is next with one of
 these. they're useless for long coats, tho.
 
 if you've got a kitty with only a few mats, use baby
 powder and sort of rub
 it into the mat--that breaks them up and makes
 brushing/combing them out
 much easier. detangling sprays are available, too,
 but the baby powder
 actually works almost as well.
 
 i clip their claws when they start sticking to
 things---me, the furniture,
 the screens, etc. i rarely clip rear claws. it's
 important to keep an eye on
 claws because they can grow back into the pads and
 cause infections/pain.
 
 i haven't done a full-body bath on a cat in years.
 with the persians, well,
 when there's diarrhea, it gets ripe pretty easily,
 so partial baths are
 occasionally necessary. if the offending substance
 has already dried, i'll
 usually use the clippers instead of trying to
 rehydrate the mess.
 
 teeth. well, i know that i SHOULD be brushing their
 teeth, but i just
 haven't been able to bring myself to doing it.
 rita from purrever ranch
 mentioned recently about adding ground-up bones to
 food to remove
 tartar--i'd like more info on that!
 
 i pretty much ignore their ears until they let me
 know there's a problem;
 usually if its anything, it's earmites, and i give
 them a dose of
 ivermectin.
 
 MC
 
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Re: Question #2: Grooming

2006-08-22 Thread Precious Pets, Almost Home
I never thought about the flea comb for basic grooming
for the short hair cats!  I got to try that. 

ROFL regarding the force!  Boy is that true!

Precious Pets  

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Oh - I was going to say too...most of my cats have
 short hair (two don't)..but for the short-haired
 guys I got a very fine-toothed flea comb in the
 doggy section of PetSmart. You would be amazed how
 much hair you can comb out of a short-haired cat! It
 really gets down to the undercoat too...especially
 on their back near their tail. I comb them out about
 once a week...and I'm talking big handfulls of hair
 off of each one.
  
  Yeah - I know I'm a nut...but I'm totally allergic
 to cats and have eight in my house. The thing is
 though - my quality of life would diminish so much
 without my babies LOL I'm not going to live in a
 bubble. Using that flea comb and keeping everything
 washed frequently in hot water makes all the
 difference in the world. Have benedryl - will
 travel! LOL
  
  Something very remarkable happens when I bathe a
 cat (which is like - never -- has to be a good
 reason). It is as though both me and the cat grow
 these huge, powerful energy fields of opposite
 polarity. The force is so strong that the cat
 instantly attaches to me, my head, my legs. It
 defies the laws of physics! Talk about bonding...
  
  elizabeth :0)
 *Save the earth. It's the only planet with
 chocolate.*   
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 2:16 PM
  Subject: Re: Question #2: Grooming
  
   combing/brushing has a lot to do with the
 particular cat--i have persians and dlhs, so we sit
 around and knit ourselves together. i am
 incapable of holding a cat without checking for
 mats, and starting out detangling with fingers i
 have brushes and combs all over the house (those
 that the cats haven't hidden on me, at least,
 including next to the bed. last year, i broke down
 and bought a clipper, because matted persians will
 allow clipping WAY before they'll accept having the
 knots removed less mechanically!with
 short-haired cats, brushing isn't AS vital, however,
 if you go and get yourself a Zoom Groom, which most
 cats LOVE, you'll be amazed at how much stuff is
 hanging out on your short-haired cat! in fact, i'm
 almost convinced that short-hairs shed MORE than
 long-hairs do. prices vary, but it shouldn't be much
 more than this:
 http://www.petcarecentral.com/ko-117.html i've had
 cats who hate being brushed FIGHT over whose turn is
 next with one of these. they're useless for long
 coats, tho.   if you've got a kitty with only a few
 mats, use baby powder and sort of rub it into the
 mat--that breaks them up and makes brushing/combing
 them out much easier. detangling sprays are
 available, too, but the baby powder actually works
 almost as well.i clip their claws when they
 start sticking to things---me, the furniture, the
 screens, etc. i rarely clip rear claws. it's
 important to keep an eye on claws because they can
 grow back into the pads and cause infections/pain.  
  i haven't done a full-body bath on a cat in years.
 with the persians, well, when there's diarrhea, it
 gets ripe pretty easily, so partial baths are
 occasionally necessary. if the offending substance
 has already dried, i'll usually use the clippers
 instead of trying to rehydrate the mess.teeth.
 well, i know that i SHOULD be brushing their teeth,
 but i just haven't been able to bring myself to
 doing it. rita from purrever ranch mentioned
 recently about adding ground-up bones to food to
 remove tartar--i'd like more info on that!i
 pretty much ignore their ears until they let me know
 there's a problem; usually if its anything, it's
 earmites, and i give them a dose of ivermectin.   MC
   -- 
  Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
  Maybe That'll Make The Difference
  
  MaryChristine
  
  AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
  MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ICQ: 289856892


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Re: OT: Re: Wendy - How's your husband's back?

2006-08-22 Thread Precious Pets, Almost Home
Wendy:

I am glad to hear that your husband is responding to
his treatment!  It is so hard living with someone that
is in constant pain!  I know because my husband was in
constant pain too!  At least, your husband found
treatment and is dealing with it.  Until two months
ago that is all I had to deal with.  Now I cannot
remember the last time he complained about his back. 
My husband suffered a stroke and is now wheelchair
bound and is para lazed almost 3/4 of his right side. 
The only part of his right side of his body that was
not totally affected was the right side of his head! 
That another reason on top of every else that I do not
have much time laterly!

Precious Pets

--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey Nina,
 
 How are you?  I hope everything is going well. 
 Thanks
 for asking about my husband.  He's doing ok.  The
 spinal decompression is actually working, believe it
 or not.  One of two herniated disks has moved off
 the
 sciatic after 10 treatments.  We know this because
 he
 has stopped having the pain shooting down the
 buttocks
 and back of the thigh.  All he has now is pain in
 his
 calf/ankle.  He has 10 more treatments to go.  I am
 thinking this is going to be a great week for him. 
 I
 can't wait until he's pain free.  I love him and
 shouldn't complain, but it's hard to live with
 someone
 who is groaning all the time and/or on painkillers. 
 Does that sound horrible?  It probably does.  I
 guess
 I'm venting a bit, and of course, feel bad about
 that,
 but it's true.  We were in CVS one day filling a
 hydrocodone prescrip for him, and he was on valium,
 and he thought he was being funny by asking very
 loudly in front of about 15 customers if we needed
 any
 Trojans while standing by the condom aisle.  :O.  He
 would NEVER do something like that off meds.  LOL. 
 So
 things are finally looking up.  Hopefully, I will
 not
 strangle him before he is pain free.  
 
 :)
 Wendy
 
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I Thought I Was Getting Caught Up!!

2006-08-22 Thread Precious Pets, Almost Home
Greetings!

I will have to say that this board can be quite a
surprise!  Here I am thinking yesterday morning that I
am getting caught up with my e-mail from the board.  I
leave to take care of my husband before his first
rehab session and escort him to rehab.  I come back
yesterday evening and my box is overflowing!!  LOL 
Boy, you guys were busy bees yesterday!

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Re: Satch is coughing

2006-08-22 Thread Leslie
Hi,
I'm sorry it's taken me so long to respond, but things change so fast and I hate writing all optimistically just to be congratulated and have to reply with bad news.

Satch held his appetite and a ~102 degree fever over the weekend. It dropped to 100 yesterday, is back up in the 101 degree range today. His spirits seemed to gather yesterday, as his appetite waned. His congestion sounds just awful, I wish that there was kitty expectorant to give him. Nothing much is coming out and I wonder if the coughing is making his throat sore and hence the not eating. I hate not eating cats! They make me want to curl up and cry. He's not going to be easy to force feed. He hasn't stopped completely, but compared to what he normally eats, he may as well have. When do you start the force feeding? How long do you give them to regain interest? Again, his spirits seem good, he slept close last night, isn't in hiding, he hangs out in the windows and meows like he wants food, then when it's pointed out to him, he just walks away. He's still drinking water on his own. Does he know that he'll vomit if he eats and that's why he doesn't? I don't want to add vomiting to the mix. When I put more tuna in his mouth he gagged it back up. Same thing with some fancy feast.


He ate some of my raw food last night, not much. He ate some baby food last night, licked it off of my fingers, but again, not much. He ate some tuna/drank the juice, but not much this morning. I'm off to the store for a humidifier to help with the breathing and the makings of the liver shake.


I'll call the vet again today to get his take. If he says to start the forcefeeding, I don't know what to do.
I'm supposed to go back home to St Louis for four days tomorrow to see family. I can't leave a cat that needs to get force fed with someone. My boyfriend was going to watch him, and I was okay leaving him the task of giving the Clavamox, but he's a dog person (who also loves Satch) - so asking him to force feed seems unfair to both parties.


I'll ask the vet today what the Western Herbal Tincture was intended to do, I don't think that it's meant to be ongoing, it made Satch vomit, so I stopped using it.

I'm so distraught, I don't know what to do. I just want him to eat again. I can't leave him not eating, but how can I explain to my 97 year old grandmother that I canceled my trip to come back and see her for a sick cat?


Leslie


--Message: 5Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:41:39 -0700From: Nina 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Satch is coughingTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgMessage-ID: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowedOh for God's sake, Satch better be okay.With situations like this Iusually stop praying to Spirit and start threatening :).You did good
taking him in right away.It sounds like you met a nice new vet in theprocess and he knows about the 'don't wait and see approach for a pos',that's a good sign!I like that he was encouraging you to adopt another
too.Yep, I like his attitude.Find out what the herb is that he putSatchmo on and let us know what it is, we're always looking for benignways to improve immune response, (I assume that's what the herb is
for?).How is Satchmo doing now?Any more coughing?Are you positiveit wasn't just a hairball?Keep us informed,Nina


Re: Satch is coughing

2006-08-22 Thread Kat
Hi Leslie,

Sorry for all of your turmoil about your trip.
Can you have Satch boarded at your vets office while you are gone?
That way they can force feed him (and they are usually pros at it)
or even give him nutrients via IV if necessary.  It would give you alot
more peace of mind during your trip...

Kat (Mew Jersey)
On Tue, 22 Aug 2006, Leslie wrote:

 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:47:54 -0700
 From: Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Satch is coughing

 Hi,
 I'm sorry it's taken me so long to respond, but things change so fast and I
 hate writing all optimistically just to be congratulated and have to reply
 with bad news.

 Satch held his appetite and a ~102 degree fever over the weekend. It dropped
 to 100 yesterday, is back up in the 101 degree range today.  His spirits
 seemed to gather yesterday, as his appetite waned.  His congestion sounds
 just awful, I wish that there was kitty expectorant to give him.  Nothing
 much is coming out and I wonder if the coughing is making his throat sore
 and hence the not eating.  I hate not eating cats!  They make me want to
 curl up and cry.  He's not going to be easy to force feed.  He hasn't
 stopped completely, but compared to what he normally eats, he may as well
 have.  When do you start the force feeding?  How long do you give them to
 regain interest?  Again, his spirits seem good, he slept close last night,
 isn't in hiding, he hangs out in the windows and meows like he wants food,
 then when it's pointed out to him, he just walks away.  He's still drinking
 water on his own.  Does he know that he'll vomit if he eats and that's why
 he doesn't?  I don't want to add vomiting to the mix.  When I put more tuna
 in his mouth he gagged it back up.  Same thing with some fancy feast.

 He ate some of my raw food last night, not much.  He ate some baby food last
 night, licked it off of my fingers, but again, not much.  He ate some
 tuna/drank the juice, but not much this morning.  I'm off to the store for a
 humidifier to help with the breathing and the makings of the liver shake.

 I'll call the vet again today to get his take.  If he says to start the
 forcefeeding, I don't know what to do.

 I'm supposed to go back home to St Louis for four days tomorrow to see
 family.  I can't leave a cat that needs to get force fed with someone.  My
 boyfriend was going to watch him, and I was okay leaving him the task of
 giving the Clavamox, but he's a dog person (who also loves Satch) - so
 asking him to force feed seems unfair to both parties.

 I'll ask the vet today what the Western Herbal Tincture was intended to do,
 I don't think that it's meant to be ongoing, it made Satch vomit, so I
 stopped using it.

 I'm so distraught, I don't know what to do.  I just want him to eat again.
 I can't leave him not eating, but how can I explain to my 97 year old
 grandmother that I canceled my trip to come back and see her for a sick cat?

 Leslie



 
 
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  Message: 5
  Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:41:39 -0700
  From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Satch is coughing
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
 
  Oh for God's sake, Satch better be okay.  With situations like this I
  usually stop praying to Spirit and start threatening :).  You did good
  taking him in right away.  It sounds like you met a nice new vet in the
  process and he knows about the 'don't wait and see approach for a pos',
  that's a good sign!  I like that he was encouraging you to adopt another
  too.  Yep, I like his attitude.  Find out what the herb is that he put
  Satchmo on and let us know what it is, we're always looking for benign
  ways to improve immune response, (I assume that's what the herb is
  for?).  How is Satchmo doing now?  Any more coughing?  Are you positive
  it wasn't just a hairball?  Keep us informed,
  Nina
 
 




Re: Inky update

2006-08-22 Thread Lernermichelle



Is amylase a liver enzyme? If so, ask the vet about denosyl, which is 
really just SAMe marketed for veterinary use. It is a natural product that can 
help a lot with liver failure.
Michelle


To Gina: Re: OT: Re: Question #3: Supplements

2006-08-22 Thread wendy
Hey Gina,

I am not sure how much is too much lysine, but from
what I've read, if kitty is asymptomatic, then 250 mg.
per day is good for maintenance.  If kitty has
symptoms or is ill, then 500 mg. per day is not too
much.  That's what I gave Smookie when she had a
corneal ulcer.  If she tests negative on the second
FeLV test, then I don't see the need to boost her
immune system, unless the test is wrong.  I have a
kitty with feline herpes and I don't give her lysine
unless she has symptoms.  Some people do though.  It
just depends on the person and their philosophy.  It
is good for them, so doing it for maintenance or for
symptoms, either way is fine.  I am not sure how much
lysine is too much.  I think some people even give
1000 mg. per day or more depending on how sick kitty
is.  You should research this more though.  You can
find info. on the web.  Just pay attention to the
sources.  

:)
Wendy



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Re: Satch is Coughing

2006-08-22 Thread Leslie
Hi Kat,
Thank you for the suggestion, it's good one. When the vet calls back I'll ask if he has any recommendations, I don't believe that they board at their office. If the cost is more than changing the ticket, then I'll stay, if not, I'll go. And hopefully he wouldn't need to get forcefed the whole five days, so my boyfriend could pick up him before I got back, butI should be prepared for that.


I'mcalmer now, I've woken up a tiny bit more. I was awakejust pettingSatch and listening to him breathe the better part of the night, so I'm a little cranky and a touch emotional. :) 

I just can't see this being it for him. He's in such good health otherwise, and the cost of bringing a sweet little kitten home to pass canNOT be his life. The world just canNOT work like that.

I'm adamant also. :)

Leslie



Hi Leslie,Sorry for all of your turmoil about your trip.Can you have Satch boarded at your vets office while you are gone?
That way they can force feed him (and they are usually pros at it)or even give him nutrients via IV if necessary.It would give you alotmore peace of mind during your trip...Kat (Mew Jersey)On Tue, 22 Aug 2006, Leslie wrote:



Re: Satch is coughing

2006-08-22 Thread wendy
Hi Leslie,

I wish Satch were doing better for you.  I know you
are frustrated.  Several people here have said that
you can use people expectorants with kitties but I
don't know any more than that.  Maybe someone will
post more, or you can call and ask your vet.  Also,
there may be info. on it in the sick kitty manual that
I sent out.  Either way, I would double check with my
vet before I used anything OTC.  How much food do you
think Satch is actually getting down each day?  You
shouldn't let him go long without getting enough
nutrition.  I am not sure how much he actually needs
per day; I think that info. is in the sick kitty
manual as well.  Your vet can give you canned A/D to
syringe feed him.  It's VERY smooth and mixed with a
little water is great for syringe feeding.  Good luck
with the liver shake.  I hope he likes it.  None of
mine will eat it unfortunately.  Syringe feeding isn't
hard.  I hold my kitties like a baby with their heads
up a little higher than their body and syringe the
food in very slowly, so they don't gag, into the side
of their mouths.  Can you take the kitty to St. Louis
with you?  Unless he starts eating soon, I would not
leave him.  You can cancel plane tickets and use them
again usually for a $50 cancellation fee that you
don't pay until you rebook the flight.  If you leave
and Satch dies, you will probably feel guilty forever,
being the loving human that you are.  If you can't
take Satch with you, I'm sure your grandmother will
understand delaying your trip a couple of weeks.  As
sweet as your boyfriend is, if Satch is attached to
you, he may not do well while you are gone.  Please
keep us posted Leslie.

:)
Wendy

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Re: Satch is coughing

2006-08-22 Thread wendy
If you do board your kitty, make sure that the vet is
a good one.  I had a nightmare experience with leaving
my cat at the vet's and if I hadn't gone to pick him
up, he would have died.  They did NOT syringe feed
him, NOR give him any IV fluids, even after I had
asked them to.  I complained to the Texas Vet. Board
to no avail.  That board is currently being revamped
to get rid of the good ol' boy system they've had for
years to protect one another.  Sorry to scare you, but
I just don't think that the vet can care for our
babies as well as we can (short of surgery), and they
sure don't love them like we do.

:)
Wendy

--- Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Leslie,
 
 Sorry for all of your turmoil about your trip.
 Can you have Satch boarded at your vets office while
 you are gone?
 That way they can force feed him (and they are
 usually pros at it)
 or even give him nutrients via IV if necessary.  It
 would give you alot
 more peace of mind during your trip...
 
 Kat (Mew Jersey)
 On Tue, 22 Aug 2006, Leslie wrote:
 
  Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:47:54 -0700
  From: Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: Satch is coughing
 
  Hi,
  I'm sorry it's taken me so long to respond, but
 things change so fast and I
  hate writing all optimistically just to be
 congratulated and have to reply
  with bad news.
 
  Satch held his appetite and a ~102 degree fever
 over the weekend. It dropped
  to 100 yesterday, is back up in the 101 degree
 range today.  His spirits
  seemed to gather yesterday, as his appetite waned.
  His congestion sounds
  just awful, I wish that there was kitty
 expectorant to give him.  Nothing
  much is coming out and I wonder if the coughing is
 making his throat sore
  and hence the not eating.  I hate not eating cats!
  They make me want to
  curl up and cry.  He's not going to be easy to
 force feed.  He hasn't
  stopped completely, but compared to what he
 normally eats, he may as well
  have.  When do you start the force feeding?  How
 long do you give them to
  regain interest?  Again, his spirits seem good, he
 slept close last night,
  isn't in hiding, he hangs out in the windows and
 meows like he wants food,
  then when it's pointed out to him, he just walks
 away.  He's still drinking
  water on his own.  Does he know that he'll vomit
 if he eats and that's why
  he doesn't?  I don't want to add vomiting to the
 mix.  When I put more tuna
  in his mouth he gagged it back up.  Same thing
 with some fancy feast.
 
  He ate some of my raw food last night, not much. 
 He ate some baby food last
  night, licked it off of my fingers, but again, not
 much.  He ate some
  tuna/drank the juice, but not much this morning. 
 I'm off to the store for a
  humidifier to help with the breathing and the
 makings of the liver shake.
 
  I'll call the vet again today to get his take.  If
 he says to start the
  forcefeeding, I don't know what to do.
 
  I'm supposed to go back home to St Louis for four
 days tomorrow to see
  family.  I can't leave a cat that needs to get
 force fed with someone.  My
  boyfriend was going to watch him, and I was okay
 leaving him the task of
  giving the Clavamox, but he's a dog person (who
 also loves Satch) - so
  asking him to force feed seems unfair to both
 parties.
 
  I'll ask the vet today what the Western Herbal
 Tincture was intended to do,
  I don't think that it's meant to be ongoing, it
 made Satch vomit, so I
  stopped using it.
 
  I'm so distraught, I don't know what to do.  I
 just want him to eat again.
  I can't leave him not eating, but how can I
 explain to my 97 year old
  grandmother that I canceled my trip to come back
 and see her for a sick cat?
 
  Leslie
 
 
 
  
  
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   Message: 5
   Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:41:39 -0700
   From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Satch is coughing
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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   Oh for God's sake, Satch better be okay.  With
 situations like this I
   usually stop praying to Spirit and start
 threatening :).  You did good
   taking him in right away.  It sounds like you
 met a nice new vet in the
   process and he knows about the 'don't wait and
 see approach for a pos',
   that's a good sign!  I like that he was
 encouraging you to adopt another
   too.  Yep, I like his attitude.  Find out what
 the herb is that he put
   Satchmo on and let us know what it is, we're
 always looking for benign
   ways to improve immune response, (I assume
 that's what the herb is
   for?).  How is Satchmo doing now?  Any more
 coughing?  Are you positive
   it wasn't just a hairball?  Keep us informed,
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Re: OT: Re: Wendy - How's your husband's back?

2006-08-22 Thread wendy
Man, I cannot imagine what the two of you must be
going through.  Life is so unfair sometimes.  I am
sorry that your husband suffered such a debilitating
stroke!  I always dreamed of being the best
grandmother, but to tell you the truth, I am not
looking forward to my body aging.  If you need
anything, or just to vent, you know where to find me.

Prayers going out to you guys,
:)
Wendy

--- Precious Pets, Almost Home [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Wendy:
 
 I am glad to hear that your husband is responding to
 his treatment!  It is so hard living with someone
 that is in constant pain!  I know because my husband
was in constant pain too!  At least, your husband
found treatment and is dealing with it.  Until two
months ago that is all I had to deal with.  Now I
cannot remember the last time he complained about his
back. My husband suffered a stroke and is now
wheelchair
 bound and is para lazed almost 3/4 of his right
 side. 
 The only part of his right side of his body that was
 not totally affected was the right side of his head!
 
 That another reason on top of every else that I do
 not
 have much time laterly!
 
 Precious Pets
 
 --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hey Nina,
  
  How are you?  I hope everything is going well. 
  Thanks
  for asking about my husband.  He's doing ok.  The
  spinal decompression is actually working, believe
 it
  or not.  One of two herniated disks has moved off
  the
  sciatic after 10 treatments.  We know this because
  he
  has stopped having the pain shooting down the
  buttocks
  and back of the thigh.  All he has now is pain in
  his
  calf/ankle.  He has 10 more treatments to go.  I
 am
  thinking this is going to be a great week for him.
 
  I
  can't wait until he's pain free.  I love him and
  shouldn't complain, but it's hard to live with
  someone
  who is groaning all the time and/or on
 painkillers. 
  Does that sound horrible?  It probably does.  I
  guess
  I'm venting a bit, and of course, feel bad about
  that,
  but it's true.  We were in CVS one day filling a
  hydrocodone prescrip for him, and he was on
 valium,
  and he thought he was being funny by asking very
  loudly in front of about 15 customers if we needed
  any
  Trojans while standing by the condom aisle.  :O. 
 He
  would NEVER do something like that off meds.  LOL.
 
  So
  things are finally looking up.  Hopefully, I will
  not
  strangle him before he is pain free.  
  
  :)
  Wendy
  
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Re: Another Update on Smokey/Hemobartanella info.

2006-08-22 Thread wendy
Dee,

Count your blessings as Hemobartanella is extremely
hard to find on a slide at the lab and can be treated.
 That's what's causing the low blood count most
assuredly.  

Here's info. from vetinfo.com:
A cat with hemobartonellosis experiences depression,
weight loss, decrease in appetite and anemia. There
may be jaundice associated with this and approximately
one-third of untreated cats will die from the
infection. Cats that recover are usually infected
for life but the organism is suppressed by the cat's
immune system. Subsequent immune compromise from
viruses like feline leukemia, stress or administration
of corticosteroids cause a recurrence of the
infection. The disease is probably transmitted by
blood sucking insects and from infected mothers to
their kittens during pregnancy. It may be possible to
transmit from bite wounds and blood transfusions as
well. The organism is visible in blood smears of
infected cats but it has a tendency to come and go in
the blood stream so it is sometimes necessary to make
blood smears over the course of several days to
identify the parasite. It can be treated with
tetracycline class antibiotics with good success but
even treated cats should be considered to be carriers
of the disease and may experience recurrences later.
Supportive care is often necessary for several days in
cats with this condition and during the acute
infection if may be necessary to use corticosteroids
despite the immune suppression associated with these
medications. It is very important to control fleas and
other blood sucking organisms in a multiple cat
household in which one member is found to have
hemobartonellosis. It is a good idea to occasionally
do followup bloodwork to make sure anemia is not
recurring. 
Mike Richards, DVM 

Dee, this is not some horrible infection.  It's
treatable, although not curable.  Don't freak out over
it.  None of us here freak out over it; we're more
relieved when that's what's causing anemia because
many times it's not diagnosed, and the cats die from
anemia.  Mine did.  He was tested for hemo, but of
course came back neg.  This was before I knew how hard
it is to find on a slide.  Had I known, we would have
tried doxy anyway, and he might still be here today. 
I am not sure what caused his anemia, but I will be
damn sure from now on that anyone else who posts here
on anemia has the info. on hemobart and doxy.

As far as the probiotics goes, I have never used them
with my kitties, but others here have.  Post to the
group about this with the subject line probiotics
question or something like that, and you should get
good info. on this.  Sorry I can't be of more help to
you.

:)
Wendy

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Re: Inky update

2006-08-22 Thread wendy
Kerry,

I'm so sorry to hear that Inky had a crash at the
vet's.  I just hate when people have to board.  It
always seems like something goes wrong.  I know that
it always doesn't, but I haven't heard enough good
stories to offset the bad.  Anyone have any on
kitties?  

I'm glad to hear Inky's doing much better!  And Bandy
too!  I don't have any help regarding the questions
you asked.  You might consider reposting with a
specific question; it might catch someone's eye who
might otherwise not read this post.  I hope all is
going well with you.  Please keep us posted on Bandy
and Inky.

:)
Wendy

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Re: To Gina: Re: OT: Re: Question #3: Supplements

2006-08-22 Thread Tad Burnett

I have noticed that Purina ONE and Science Diet and probably others
have L-Lysine in their food... Does anyone know what the equivalent
amount per serving is.. My guess is that it is much smaller than the 250 mg.
but it would be interesting to know...
Tad

wendy wrote:


Hey Gina,

I am not sure how much is too much lysine, but from
what I've read, if kitty is asymptomatic, then 250 mg.
per day is good for maintenance.  If kitty has
symptoms or is ill, then 500 mg. per day is not too
much.  That's what I gave Smookie when she had a
corneal ulcer.  If she tests negative on the second
FeLV test, then I don't see the need to boost her
immune system, unless the test is wrong.  I have a
kitty with feline herpes and I don't give her lysine
unless she has symptoms.  Some people do though.  It
just depends on the person and their philosophy.  It
is good for them, so doing it for maintenance or for
symptoms, either way is fine.  I am not sure how much
lysine is too much.  I think some people even give
1000 mg. per day or more depending on how sick kitty
is.  You should research this more though.  You can
find info. on the web.  Just pay attention to the
sources.  


:)
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Michelle L.-Has anyone heard from her?

2006-08-22 Thread wendy
Hey guys,

Have any of you talked to Michelle L. lately?  I
haven't seen her post in several weeks and was
wondering if she was ok.  Michelle, are you out there?

:)
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Re: Michelle L.-Has anyone heard from her?

2006-08-22 Thread Marissa Johnson
Wendy,Are you talking about Michelle Lerner? I just got a message from her today re: Inky. Hope that helps!MJwendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hey guys,Have any of you talked to Michelle L. lately? Ihaven't seen her post in several weeks and waswondering if she was ok. Michelle, are you out there?:)Wendy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
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RE: Michelle L.-Has anyone heard from her?

2006-08-22 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Michelle posted today and yesterday. Sounds like you're not getting her
emails? Kerry
-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 12:51 PM
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Subject: Michelle L.-Has anyone heard from her?


Hey guys,

Have any of you talked to Michelle L. lately?  I
haven't seen her post in several weeks and was
wondering if she was ok.  Michelle, are you out there?

:)
Wendy

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Re: Michelle L.-Has anyone heard from her?

2006-08-22 Thread wendy
Was the msg. sent to you directly, or to the FeLV talk
group?  

Thanks,
Wendy

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   Are you talking about Michelle Lerner?  I just got
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RE: Michelle L.-Has anyone heard from her?

2006-08-22 Thread wendy
That's weird.  I think I'm not getting a lot of emails
now that I think about it.  It's been really slow
lately, and I've noticed people replying to posts I
haven't received originally.  Who do I talk to about
this?

Thanks,
Wendy

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RE: Michelle L.-Has anyone heard from her?

2006-08-22 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
maybe yahoo is filtering a bunch of them?
I know I need to change my (home) ISP. (msn.com) 

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That's weird.  I think I'm not getting a lot of emails
now that I think about it.  It's been really slow
lately, and I've noticed people replying to posts I
haven't received originally.  Who do I talk to about
this?

Thanks,
Wendy

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Re: Michelle L.-Has anyone heard from her?

2006-08-22 Thread Lernermichelle



Hi. Sorry! I actually did post a couple of times. I have just been 
sick, and also have been at work a lot, and the combination has made me not have 
the energy to respond to many posts. I am trying to chip in when I think I have 
something to add, but may not be getting to it all the time. Very sorry-- if you 
want me to respond to something and I haven't, please put my name in the subject 
heading like you just did and I will be sure to see it. It's just that 
when I work, I commute over an hour each way and work 8 or 9 hour days, get home 
at 7:30 or 8 and need to take care of the animals, and then often do not feel 
like staying on the computer a long time as I am on the computer much of the day 
at work. I only do that 3 times a week, but I am sick now so not up to being 
online much today either.

Thanks so much for worrying about me! :)
Michelle


Re: Question #3: Supplements

2006-08-22 Thread Belinda

  This is the one I buy:

http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbspid=NOW-00240

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Re: OT: Re: Question #7: Carriers

2006-08-22 Thread Belinda

On Carriers:

  I have hard, soft and a stroller kind, the stroller is for walking 
them to the vet, works really well.  It comes apart to be a regular soft 
(sturdier than most though) so you can just carry it also.  I really 
like it the best.


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Re: Question #8: Vets Neutering

2006-08-22 Thread Belinda




 My vet uses sevoflurane which is suppose to be even a little safer:

What is different about sevoflurane?
It is less soluble than isoflurane, which means that inductions and
recoveries are even faster. Mask inductions with sevoflurane were
faster and of better quality than with isoflurane in one study
(Johnson, et al, 1998). Sevoflurane also appears to be better tolerated
by mask induction, because it has low pungency and low airway
irritability. Since sevoflurane is less potent than isoflurane (MAC for
sevoflurane is 2.4% for dogs), the vaporizer setting usually needs to
be higher than for isoflurane. Although the amount of metabolism of
sevoflurane by the liver is slightly greater than for isoflurane, the
extent of metabolism is similar to isoflurane due to its insolubility
(hence rapid elimination).

Link for article:

http://www.surgivet.com/smart/archives/Isoflurane%20vs%20Sevoflurane.pdf#search=%22Isoflurane%20vs%20Sevoflurane%20in%20pets%22

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Re: Another Update on Smokey

2006-08-22 Thread Belinda




 The reason 1/3 die from it is it is VERY hard to diagnose and some
cats will have it and get a negative test result and not get the
treatment, I have never heard of a cat getting the correct treatment
(doxy is preferred to treat it, though some cats need a 6 week course
to eradicate it) ever dying from it. Any one else heard of that???

I alwyas treat if there is the slightest suspicion that my cat has it
no matter what the test results are, I've known people who's cats have
had 5 and even 6 negative tests but the cat actually had it!!

The
feline leukemia home page says it is a contagious disease, 1/3 of cats
die from it,  the ones who don't will have it for life.

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RE: OT: Re: Question #7: Carriers

2006-08-22 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Belinda, can you share the name of the stroller---not having wheels (and
getting older like the rest of us) I think I wd find that very useful!
Kerry
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On Carriers:

   I have hard, soft and a stroller kind, the stroller is for walking 
them to the vet, works really well.  It comes apart to be a regular soft

(sturdier than most though) so you can just carry it also.  I really 
like it the best.

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Re: OT: Re: Question #7: Carriers

2006-08-22 Thread Belinda




 Sure I bought it on eBay, here it is, I don't think I bought it
from them, I paid a little more ($70.00) I love it!! I bought it when
Bailey got sick.

http://cgi.ebay.com/RED-PET-TREX-3-IN-1-STROLLER-CARRIER-CAR-SEAT-DOG-CAT_W0QQitemZ280018536990QQihZ018QQcategoryZ116380QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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I use mine all the time. I link it because it comes apart and can be
used as a regular carrier, most of the others don't.

Here is a link to other varieties:

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40satitle=pet+stroller
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Worms and Wormer Question

2006-08-22 Thread Stephanie E Caldwell
Can someone send me some links to some wormers and information on common 
kitty worms?


Anything that is better tolerated in FELV+ and FIV+?

Steph



Re: Satch is coughing.

2006-08-22 Thread Leslie
Hi Wendy, 
Thanks for writing. The vet said that the herbal tincture was actually meant to help with the congestion and that I should dilute it if it was making him sick. So I've just given that to him, we'll see if he can keep it down. I'll give that to him in smaller doses more frequently to see if it can help.


I admit that I read in the cat veterinary handbook that said that Robitussinwas the only decongestant that would be okay and I gave him a couple of doses. Now that I know that the tincture was meant to do that, I'm switching back. 
The vet was adamant that I not put him in either a shelter or even a vet's office while I'm gone. He feels strongly that the stress of that situation would far outweigh staying in his comfort zone.

He isn't worried about the appetite diminishing. He said that the antibiotic can do that and that as long as he's alert, acting like himself, the temp is down, and he still shows interest in the food, if brief, that he will be okay. 


He made me feel better in general and with leaving him, but if things turn worse, you're right, I will feel so bad personally, but also for my boyfriend to have been put through that.

I'll call the airline now and see what it will cost. I think that the fee will be more like $130, but comparatively it might be worth it.

He licked the liver shake off of my finger, but wasn't interested in the plate of it that I put down for him.

Leslie

From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Satch is coughing

Hi Leslie,I wish Satch were doing better for you.I know youare frustrated.Several people here have said that
you can use people expectorants with kitties but Idon't know any more than that.Maybe someone willpost more, or you can call and ask your vet.Also,there may be info. on it in the sick kitty manual that
I sent out.Either way, I would double check with myvet before I used anything OTC.How much food do youthink Satch is actually getting down each day?Youshouldn't let him go long without getting enough
nutrition.I am not sure how much he actually needsper day; I think that info. is in the sick kittymanual as well.Your vet can give you canned A/D tosyringe feed him.It's VERY smooth and mixed with a
little water is great for syringe feeding.Good luckwith the liver shake.I hope he likes it.None ofmine will eat it unfortunately.Syringe feeding isn'thard.I hold my kitties like a baby with their heads
up a little higher than their body and syringe thefood in very slowly, so they don't gag, into the sideof their mouths.Can you take the kitty to St. Louiswith you?Unless he starts eating soon, I would not
leave him.You can cancel plane tickets and use themagain usually for a $50 cancellation fee that youdon't pay until you rebook the flight.If you leaveand Satch dies, you will probably feel guilty forever,
being the loving human that you are.If you can'ttake Satch with you, I'm sure your grandmother willunderstand delaying your trip a couple of weeks.Assweet as your boyfriend is, if Satch is attached to
you, he may not do well while you are gone.Pleasekeep us posted Leslie.:)Wendy__Message: 4Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:52:42 -0700 (PDT)From: wendy 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Satch is coughingTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgMessage-ID: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1If you do board your kitty, make sure that the vet isa good one.I had a nightmare experience with leaving
my cat at the vet's and if I hadn't gone to pick himup, he would have died.They did NOT syringe feedhim, NOR give him any IV fluids, even after I hadasked them to.I complained to the Texas Vet. Board
to no avail.That board is currently being revampedto get rid of the good ol' boy system they've had foryears to protect one another.Sorry to scare you, butI just don't think that the vet can care for our
babies as well as we can (short of surgery), and theysure don't love them like we do.:)Wendy


Re: Satch is coughing

2006-08-22 Thread elizamaggie

Hi,
I was just on vacation and hired an incredible cat sitter. I got really lucky, she did some research on Felv+ kitties and was great with my girls. Might it be possible for you to find a petsitter or travelling vet in your area? I know it's tough to find someone you can trust with Satch! Good luck!

Maggie



Re: Satch is coughing.

2006-08-22 Thread Kiley Dozier-Bosanko

Leslie,
Have you tried sprinkling a little catnip on Satch's food?  Sometimes that's 
enough to entice Mio into eating when she's not feeling well.  Just makes 
sure not to mix it in or else the food will cover up the catnip smell.

Kiley


From: Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Satch is coughing.
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:23:03 -0700

Hi Wendy,
Thanks for writing.  The vet said that the herbal tincture was actually
meant to help with the congestion and that I should dilute it if it was
making him sick.  So I've just given that to him, we'll see if he can keep
it down.  I'll give that to him in smaller doses more frequently to see if
it can help.

I admit that I read in the cat veterinary handbook that said that
Robitussin was the only decongestant that would be okay and I gave him a
couple of doses.  Now that I know that the tincture was meant to do that,
I'm switching back.

The vet was adamant that I not put him in either a shelter or even a vet's
office while I'm gone.  He feels strongly that the stress of that situation
would far outweigh staying in his comfort zone.

He isn't worried about the appetite diminishing.  He said that the
antibiotic can do that and that as long as he's alert, acting like himself,
the temp is down, and he still shows interest in the food, if brief, that he
will be okay.

He made me feel better in general and with leaving him, but if things turn
worse, you're right, I will feel so bad personally, but also for my
boyfriend to have been put through that.

I'll call the airline now and see what it will cost.  I think that the fee
will be more like $130, but comparatively it might be worth it.

He licked the liver shake off of my finger, but wasn't interested in the
plate of it that I put down for him.

Leslie





From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Satch is coughing



Hi Leslie,


I wish Satch were doing better for you.  I know you
are frustrated.  Several people here have said that
you can use people expectorants with kitties but I
don't know any more than that.  Maybe someone will
post more, or you can call and ask your vet.  Also,
there may be info. on it in the sick kitty manual that
I sent out.  Either way, I would double check with my
vet before I used anything OTC.  How much food do you
think Satch is actually getting down each day?  You
shouldn't let him go long without getting enough
nutrition.  I am not sure how much he actually needs
per day; I think that info. is in the sick kitty
manual as well.  Your vet can give you canned A/D to
syringe feed him.  It's VERY smooth and mixed with a
little water is great for syringe feeding.  Good luck
with the liver shake.  I hope he likes it.  None of
mine will eat it unfortunately.  Syringe feeding isn't
hard.  I hold my kitties like a baby with their heads
up a little higher than their body and syringe the
food in very slowly, so they don't gag, into the side
of their mouths.  Can you take the kitty to St. Louis
with you?  Unless he starts eating soon, I would not
leave him.  You can cancel plane tickets and use them
again usually for a $50 cancellation fee that you
don't pay until you rebook the flight.  If you leave
and Satch dies, you will probably feel guilty forever,
being the loving human that you are.  If you can't
take Satch with you, I'm sure your grandmother will
understand delaying your trip a couple of weeks.  As
sweet as your boyfriend is, if Satch is attached to
you, he may not do well while you are gone.  Please
keep us posted Leslie.

:)
Wendy

__
Message: 4
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:52:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Satch is coughing
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

If you do board your kitty, make sure that the vet is
a good one.  I had a nightmare experience with leaving
my cat at the vet's and if I hadn't gone to pick him
up, he would have died.  They did NOT syringe feed
him, NOR give him any IV fluids, even after I had
asked them to.  I complained to the Texas Vet. Board
to no avail.  That board is currently being revamped
to get rid of the good ol' boy system they've had for
years to protect one another.  Sorry to scare you, but
I just don't think that the vet can care for our
babies as well as we can (short of surgery), and they
sure don't love them like we do.

:)
Wendy







Re: anyone else use msn.com

2006-08-22 Thread Terri Brown
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  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:05 
  PM
  Subject: anyone else use msn.com
  
  
  For the last month, my "weekend"ISP 
  (msn.com)has stopped sending my felvtalk email in a regular flow. After 
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  (other emailarrives ok). So i can't tell if the weekend was quiet or 
  not. I do need to change my ISP since they've done nothing to help and I don't 
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Re: Satch is coughing.

2006-08-22 Thread Lernermichelle



Hi. I would give him Immuno-regulin shots (article on website), which have 
really helped a few of our cats with URI's. Also, I would syringe feed him 
to get food into him, as he can get fatty liver disease if he goes more than a 
day or two without real nutrition.
Michelle


Question about anemia

2006-08-22 Thread kandbz_ mom
Is there any supplement that can help prevent anemia? Angel has been sleeping a lot today and I'm wondering if she is becoming anemic. Thanks,Karen 
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