Re: I'm losing my Angel...
Oh Karen. I am so sorry. Love and prayers for you and Angel. elizabeth In a message dated 8/28/2006 6:45:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, Angel's "hip" problem turned out to not be her hip. The vet felt a big, swollen bump near her bottom and tail. He took a syringe and drained out a bunch of white colored stuff. He looked at it under the microscope and thinks it is cancer cells. He says she is in a lot of pain and this would take some doing, including a specialist, to have anything done about it. He says even if he drains all the stuff out, it will probably come back. She has nerve damage and may never be able to walk again. I don't really care about the money or how much it costs...I am just worried about stressing her out by putting her thru a bunch of things. She looks up at me with tears in her eyes and meows like she is in pain. She is only 5 months old and I have only had her for about 6 or 7 weeks. I am just heartbroken. She is too young to be going thru this. Please keep us in your thought and prayers. Thanks, Karen __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Please send good vibes to Lucy
Arrggh. From personal experience with IBD symptoms I know how frustrating it can be. I wonder if it was the couple of crunchies of EVO. That would be enough for Gypsy. I keep trying to offer her something other than her turkey mush foolishly hoping that some day she might be able to eat like a regular kitty again. The tinniest amount of canned cat food, bite of table scraps, or even plan cooked turkey will change the consistency of her bowels. We seem to have found help with the homeopathic Bry. When she relapses, giving her a dose and making sure she gets only her mush, will set her straight now. You mentioned working with homeopathics, have you found the one that works for her? Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It happened at 2.5. The only other thing that happened is that I gave her, stupidly, a couple pieces of dry Evo. She used to be able to tolerate it well, until her relapse in July, and I was worried she was not getting enough vitamins because she had stopped wanting the organ portion of her raw food, even mixed in. I don't know if that did it, but it was at the same time as I lowered her pred, so maybe the combo. Or maybe neither-- when she relapsed in July, I had no explanation of what could have done it. Michelle
Re: Bad news about Spencer
We're putting him on the feline interferon tomorrow, (it should be here in the morning). We're going with a 5mu dose, (he's 13lbs), 1x day for 5 days then 5 more days on the 14th day and then again on the 60th day. The vet suspects Hemobart. He's not eating very much, so of course that has me worried. He does seem to be doing better overall, so the vet may be right about the Hemobart. He had been on Baytril and Clav, I'll be keeping him on Clav for the full 14 days and switching him to Dox instead of Baytril tomorrow. When Grace had problems with anemia in the past, by the third day the Dox seemed to kick it's ass, (the VO seemed to work by the third day the first couple of times too). If he isn't significantly better by Wed, I'll be looking into your other suggestions. Thanks, keep the good thoughts coming, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sending good thoughts and vibes. If one of my cats became anemic at this point I would probably try acemannan, epogen, or immuno-regulin, or a combo of two of these with some steroids, as it seems to have helped others on the list. Unless it is due to lymphoma, in which case steroids and maybe chemo. Michelle
Re: Smokey is Coughing
Hi Dee, I did a quick Google and found the following site that talks about what's normal for cats. http://vetmedicine.about.com/od/diseasesconditionsfaqs/tp/TP_catfacts.htm It says the respiratory rate should be 16-40 breaths per minute. That's a pretty wide range. If he's just had one of his coughing jags, it would of course be higher. I would check him when he seems to be resting comfortably. I don't know why your vet would be concerned about easing him into interferon or Lysine. Neither one of those should cause him any side effects. He's been on Dox for 5 days, you should have seen some improvement by now, have you? Do you know for a fact that he indeed has Hemobart? The labored breathing thing is really scary to watch. The only thing I've heard that is good for that is setting up an oxygen carrier. What's going on with that cough? I'm sorry if you've answered this before, but what does your vet attribute that to? I hadn't heard about Hemobart causing respiratory symptoms. Prayers and good thoughts to you and Smokey, Nina Dee Evan wrote: Smokey started his Doxy regiment last Wednesday for his Hemobart. I started him on his Interferon this morning (Sunday). The vet suggested I ease him into each regiment one at a time so if he has any symptoms we may be able to pinpoint which regiment caused the problems. I am hoping to start him on the Lysine this week. However, I am still worried about his breathing. At times he seems to have labored breathing and at other times it seems to be better...but still not great. However, I have noticed on at least three different times within the past week that he has had a coughing fit that takes him a while to cease. It seems to be a true cough, not a hairball cough. He has no discharge from his nose or eyes. Does anyone know what is a cat's normal respiratory rate? The vet wanted him to come in any way in about 5 to 7 days from when he started the Doxy to do some blood work (this Tuesday). But I don't know if it would be better for him to wait due to the stress of the travel to the vet or if it would be better to take him in right away due to his coughing breathing. I know any stress can make the virus do more damage. Does anyone have any advice to lend me? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. ~Dee
Re: IFA kittens, retest at 6 mo 1 yr? Or is IFA positive final?
Hi guys, I'm not thinking clearly these days, (I used to think it was a temporary problem, alas, now I'm afraid it is a permanent condition). I remembered getting an email about PCR and testing methods from a researcher... Here's the paste: This is Kate who used to work at VMSG. I stopped by the office the other day, and asked about my old buddies. Michelle told me Jazz and Gracie were doing well with the feline interferon treatment. I'm so happy to hear that Anyway, I'm currently working at California Lutheran University, and I am getting to do research. Coincidentally enough I am working with FeLV (a strain that has not been sequenced yet) and am running PCR on it. Okay, the difference between PCR and ELISA ELISA screens for antibodies (proteins) that are specific for the FeLV virus. False positives may occur from other antibodies that mimic antibodies to the virus. Furthermore, kittens may show false positive, if the queen (momma cat) was exposed to FeLV, passing her antibodies along to her kitten, but not necessarily the virus. ELISA shows that a cat has been exposed to FeLV, but not necessarily has the virus (this is why repeat testing must be done in order to determine that the cat is indeed positive for FeLV). On the other hand, it is possible for a cat to be FeLV positive, but to have a negative ELISA. For instance, if the virus is latent, ELISA may not show positive for the virus. PCR (polymerase chain reaction), however, deals directly with the nucleic acid (the genetic material) of the virus, and amplifies it. If the virus is not present, the genetic material of the virus is not present, and therefore, PCR will not make more of something that isn't there. So, if a kitty has FeLV, it will be detectable by PCR. A positive for PCR is 100% positive (provided the person running the sample did not contaminate it). A negative PCR is almost always negative (provided the person running the PCR is experienced in the technique). There are many studies out there that have used PCR to detect FeLV from bone marrow. Therefore, a blood sample could be submitted to test for FeLV. Ideally, the best would be to get a bone marrow sample. Side note, red blood cells do not carry genetic material (they are the only cells that do not do this). Consequently, at a crime scene when the detectives obtain a blood sample they extract the genetic material from the white blood cells, and run a PCR. By running PCR they are able to take a small bit of genetic material and get it to generate alot of genetic material. The genetic material in humans is of course DNA. The FeLV virus's genetic material is RNA. It is able to take it's RNA and make DNA (a process called reverse transcription, which only certain viruses can do), but it's DNA is short lived. Viruses cannot replicate on their own and require a host to carry out this process. Short answer to your question is, yes, you can do a PCR test for FeLV. Why this isn't used always instead of ELISA is a whole other can of worms. Basically, you have to separate kitty DNA from virus RNA, not hard but there can be contamination. The genetic sequence of FeLV strain A is known, but researchers are not sure that this is the only strain that causes the virus, and whether other strains have an effect on the disease. The primers (the little pieces of genetic material that tag the genetic material of the virus) have to be specific to make PCR work, i.e. to amplify the virus's genetic material. Then there is a problem with standardization of tests from lab to lab. PCR is an awesome tool, but alas, like everything else in the universe, comes with its own set of rules. Basically, scientists do not have all the answers yet to FeLV. However, when we get results, these are published which allows doctors more information to treat their patients. But somewhere in a small lab, researchers continue to seek answers. Don't know if this helps or if you are more confused. TenHouseCats wrote: really good question, and one i've been wondering about and meaning to ask--i've often heard about FeLV supposedly, "being in the bone marrow," but never have been clear if that's what the IFA tests, or if there's another test that can actually determine that--and that, even if it IS in the bone marrow, that means it cannot still be thrown off (someplace in my randomly-accessible memory, i'm thinking that belinda once talked about another test less commonly used?? not a PCR/DNA, but) MC the confused On 8/28/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was what I thought, thus my note to people that they SHOULD be retested later. Ok, thanks guys! Just wanted to be sure I was right. :) So, next question, does an IFA indeed indicate the virus is in the bone marrow, or is this lady just whacked? I thought the IFA, being a blood test, wouldn't be much better to tell if it was in the marrow than any other
Head shake symptom - Spencer
Another of Spencer's symptoms I failed to mention is head shaking. He's not doing it a lot, just enough for me to notice. I usually think ear mites when I see someone shake their head. Spence's ears are clean. The vet thought possibly something neurological, (she's so upbeat). Do you guys know of anything else that head shaking is a symptom of? I noticed my pride and Joy little girl, Petey, shaking her head this morning, (that's what got me up at dawn this am). Here we go again with seeing symptoms and phantoms. I can't believe I have felv in my house again. Poor Spence has the double whammy of felv and fiv. Please keep the prayers coming, Nina
Re: Head shake symptom - Spencer
Nina, Patches, who is FeLV+, tested positive for FIV also on the in-house test when last tested. At the shelter, she had tested negative for FIV, I think. Unless you got IFA done, it might not be true. Michelle In a message dated 8/29/2006 9:45:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Poor Spence has the double whammy of felv and fiv.
Re: Dilated left eye
I'llcheck that this afternoon when I get home. I was afraid the wayhe runs around, he hit his head and knocked himself silly. This is the first cat I've ever cared for that doesn't clean himself at all. I've even put water on him trying to get him to clean and he just lets himself air dry.Roxane[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has he been checked for earmites, and had his ears cleaned recently? Could be that simple. PhaewrynPlease adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need!No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006Roxane,Horton, Iowa All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
Re: IFA kittens, retest at 6 mo 1 yr? Or is IFA positive final?
interestingly enough, after i'd written my questions about the questions, i came across this, from ZEN AND THE ART OF CAT MAINTENANCE I II C 2004 BY ALICE M. WOLF, DVM, DACVIM, ABVP (FELINE PRACTICE)DEPARTMENT OF SMALL ANIMAL MED/SURG, TEXAS AM UNIVERSITY FeLV PCR - there is no benefit to this technology for this disease except in evaluation of bone marrow. from what nina's sent, clearly PCR testing, once standardized, will give us the answer as to whether or not a cat is positive--but from what it says, it's confirming what i've heard about using PCR for differentiating the vaccine-induced strain of FIV from a naturally-occurring one: not enough labs are really able to consistently perform the tests in such a way to get reliable, reproducible results. all labs can have problems with ANY test, depending on the skill level of the technicians and basic lab conditions; it sounds like in the case of PCR for cat retrovirii, it's an even bigger problem. sigh. On 8/29/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys,I'm not thinking clearly these days, (I used to think it was a temporary problem, alas, now I'm afraid it is a permanent condition). I remembered getting an email about PCR and testing methods from a researcher... Here's the paste: This is Kate who used to work at VMSG. I stopped by the office the other day, and asked about my old buddies. Michelle told me Jazz and Gracie were doing well with the feline interferon treatment. I'm so happy to hear that Anyway, I'm currently working at California Lutheran University, and I am getting to do research. Coincidentally enough I am working with FeLV (a strain that has not been sequenced yet) and am running PCR on it. Okay, the difference between PCR and ELISA ELISA screens for antibodies (proteins) that are specific for the FeLV virus. False positives may occur from other antibodies that mimic antibodies to the virus. Furthermore, kittens may show false positive, if the queen (momma cat) was exposed to FeLV, passing her antibodies along to her kitten, but not necessarily the virus. ELISA shows that a cat has been exposed to FeLV, but not necessarily has the virus (this is why repeat testing must be done in order to determine that the cat is indeed positive for FeLV). On the other hand, it is possible for a cat to be FeLV positive, but to have a negative ELISA. For instance, if the virus is latent, ELISA may not show positive for the virus. PCR (polymerase chain reaction), however, deals directly with the nucleic acid (the genetic material) of the virus, and amplifies it. If the virus is not present, the genetic material of the virus is not present, and therefore, PCR will not make more of something that isn't there. So, if a kitty has FeLV, it will be detectable by PCR. A positive for PCR is 100% positive (provided the person running the sample did not contaminate it). A negative PCR is almost always negative (provided the person running the PCR is experienced in the technique). There are many studies out there that have used PCR to detect FeLV from bone marrow. Therefore, a blood sample could be submitted to test for FeLV. Ideally, the best would be to get a bone marrow sample. Side note, red blood cells do not carry genetic material (they are the only cells that do not do this). Consequently, at a crime scene when the detectives obtain a blood sample they extract the genetic material from the white blood cells, and run a PCR. By running PCR they are able to take a small bit of genetic material and get it to generate alot of genetic material. The genetic material in humans is of course DNA. The FeLV virus's genetic material is RNA. It is able to take it's RNA and make DNA (a process called reverse transcription, which only certain viruses can do), but it's DNA is short lived. Viruses cannot replicate on their own and require a host to carry out this process. Short answer to your question is, yes, you can do a PCR test for FeLV. Why this isn't used always instead of ELISA is a whole other can of worms. Basically, you have to separate kitty DNA from virus RNA, not hard but there can be contamination. The genetic sequence of FeLV strain A is known, but researchers are not sure that this is the only strain that causes the virus, and whether other strains have an effect on the disease. The primers (the little pieces of genetic material that tag the genetic material of the virus) have to be specific to make PCR work, i.e. to amplify the virus's genetic material. Then there is a problem with standardization of tests from lab to lab. PCR is an awesome tool, but alas, like everything else in the universe, comes with its own set of rules. Basically, scientists do not have all the answers yet to FeLV. However, when we get results, these are published which allows doctors more information to treat their patients. But somewhere in a small lab, researchers continue to seek answers. Don't know if this helps or if
Re: Dilated left eye
When my Grace's eye's were unevenly dilated I panicked. Many people told me, (including a trusted vet), that it is something that occurs in felv kitties and doesn't seem to cause any problems. Knocking himself silly is another story though. I'd be very interested to hear what else you come up with for the head shaking thing, (Spence is still shaking his head occasionally). As far as not grooming himself... You could wring a warm wash cloth and see if he lets you groom him. Start around his neck and ears, (make sure the cloth is well wrung). Think Mom cat and see if he doesn't start grooming himself more with this encouragement. Nina Roxane Baldwin wrote: I'llcheck that this afternoon when I get home. I was afraid the wayhe runs around, he hit his head and knocked himself silly. This is the first cat I've ever cared for that doesn't clean himself at all. I've even put water on him trying to get him to clean and he just lets himself air dry. Roxane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has he been checked for earmites, and had his ears cleaned recently? Could be that simple. Phaewryn
Re: Head shake symptom - Spencer - 2 different abx at same time
They did run the felv twice, both times of course on ELISA. When I bring him in for another cbc, I'll have them retest using IFA. I'm not sure when I should be thinking of bringing him back in. The vet wants to do another test, but she didn't give me a specific time frame, (she wants to check on his anemia and see if the abx are helping). I think my using the feline interferon is throwing her. I'm hoping that Spence continues to improve and I won't feel the need to monitor his blood work as closely. Hiedeyo had expressed concerns about using two different abx at the same time. Has anyone else ever been advised to do this? I'm trying to remember, but I think this is the first time I've ever had anyone on more than one type at the same time. I think my vet suggested it because she doesn't want to stop the Clav before the course is over. Hmm... I wonder why she isn't having me stop at 7 days instead of going the 14. I guess I'll be calling the vet's office again. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, Patches, who is FeLV+, tested positive for FIV also on the in-house test when last tested. At the shelter, she had tested negative for FIV, I think. Unless you got IFA done, it might not be true. Michelle In a message dated 8/29/2006 9:45:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Poor Spence has the double whammy of felv and fiv.
RE: Head shake symptom - Spencer - 2 different abx at same time
For what it's worth, our vet had Patches on Clav and also...I want to say Orbax?...overlapping. He was on the Orbax first, then while that course was still running, the Clav. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:27 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Head shake symptom - Spencer - 2 different abx at same time They did run the felv twice, both times of course on ELISA. When I bring him in for another cbc, I'll have them retest using IFA. I'm not sure when I should be thinking of bringing him back in. The vet wants to do another test, but she didn't give me a specific time frame, (she wants to check on his anemia and see if the abx are helping). I think my using the feline interferon is throwing her. I'm hoping that Spence continues to improve and I won't feel the need to monitor his blood work as closely. Hiedeyo had expressed concerns about using two different abx at the same time. Has anyone else ever been advised to do this? I'm trying to remember, but I think this is the first time I've ever had anyone on more than one type at the same time. I think my vet suggested it because she doesn't want to stop the Clav before the course is over. Hmm... I wonder why she isn't having me stop at 7 days instead of going the 14. I guess I'll be calling the vet's office again.Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, Patches, who is FeLV+, tested positive for FIV also on the in-house test when last tested. At the shelter, she had tested negative for FIV, I think. Unless you got IFA done, it might not be true. Michelle In a message dated 8/29/2006 9:45:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Poor Spence has the double whammy of felv and fiv. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: How did Slinky do?
Thanks, Wendy! I got home last night, and he did in fact do fantastic!!He ate just fine, he played with my coworker a lot, and he didn't get sick or anything.When I first walked in the door, I told him I was home and then i heard this big "clunk.," He had knocked a picture frame off the "ledge" down onto the staircase...right in front of me!! I thought maybe he was mad!! :(But when I got upstairs, after a minute he let me pick himi up and he was VERY cuddly and purring like mad! We played for a bit...and I gave him one of the new toys I brought him (one of those plastic mesh balls with a bell in it)...and he loved it!Then during the night, he kept coming up to cuddle. He did start playing in the middle of the night and I had to lock him out of the bedroom so I could sleep...and he cried! But this morning when I let him back in, he came up and kept nuzzling my face and wanting kisses. So...all in all everything went really well and he still loves me! Thanks for all your support and positive thoughts and prayers!! I know it helped! The conference I was at also went INCREDIBLY well. So it was a great weekend!I hope you're all doing well. I have quite a bit of catching up to do with your messages, but...my prayers and love are with you! Take care everyone!MJ (and Slinky!)wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marissa,I was wondering how Slinky did while you were gone? Ijust read your post, so it's a little late for prayer,but I am hoping he did fantastic! :)Wendy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.
RE: Head shake symptom - Spencer - 2 different abx at same time
My vet recently told me that they (I guess vet association) is reviewing the protocol of dosage of using baytrill (it sounded like there were some side effect issues..) so I am a bit cautious using batyrill anyway.. Also, if the test was ran by antech, I would recommend that you run western blot to see if he is really positive for FIV --- I have 40% false positive when the test was done by antech..and I really dont trust them.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Head shake symptom - Spencer - 2 different abx at same time They did run the felv twice, both times of course on ELISA. When I bring him in for another cbc, I'll have them retest using IFA. I'm not sure when I should be thinking of bringing him back in. The vet wants to do another test, but she didn't give me a specific time frame, (she wants to check on his anemia and see if the abx are helping). I think my using the feline interferon is throwing her. I'm hoping that Spence continues to improve and I won't feel the need to monitor his blood work as closely. Hiedeyo had expressed concerns about using two different abx at the same time. Has anyone else ever been advised to do this? I'm trying to remember, but I think this is the first time I've ever had anyone on more than one type at the same time. I think my vet suggested it because she doesn't want to stop the Clav before the course is over. Hmm... I wonder why she isn't having me stop at 7 days instead of going the 14. I guess I'll be calling the vet's office again. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, Patches, who is FeLV+, tested positive for FIV also on the in-house test when last tested. At the shelter, she had tested negative for FIV, I think. Unless you got IFA done, it might not be true. Michelle In a message dated 8/29/2006 9:45:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Poor Spence has the double whammy of felv and fiv.
Re: Fw: [HANDICATS2] SEEKING: FELV+ Maine Coon (or copycat) in NE area, or CO.
On 8/29/06, Patricia Lamoretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BuddyBoy, who is double positive (FeLV and FIV), was relocated to Best Friends in Kanab, Utah, from NY in February.Some may say Best Friends is a great place but it's not a real home and if a space opens up in their leuk house, they can take another unfortunate kitty in. If you want more information, please let me know and I'll put you in touch with the right people. PAT Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a wonderful opportunity to place a kitty that would otherwise probably be euthanized! Pam - Original Message - From: Phaewryn To: Peggy Dial, purebred cats ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Linda Mercer/CFA Purebred Rescue ; carol, Maine Coon Rescue ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; LVVS ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 9:29 PM Subject: [HANDICATS2] SEEKING: FELV+ Maine Coon (or copycat) in NE area, or CO. I have a request from someone that is looking for a FELV+ Maine Coon or a look alike as a companion to her current FELV+ Maine Coon. If you know of any in the North Eastern USA (or Colorado), please send me the info to pass along. She will be in Rhode Island, moving from Colorado soon. Not sure if driving or flying, may be open to cats along the route, not sure. I've already searched Petfinder and Craig's List, and found only 3 FELV Coonies (which is a good thing, I know, but I am SURE there are more out there in local animal control shelters and smaller humane rescues that don't list on petfinder, so if you see a Coonie-looking cat at your local shelter (or vet's office), if the shelter doesn't do FELV testing, send the info along, I'm sure even saving a healthy cat to be an FELV cat's companion would be preferable to death at the shelter!). Thanks, Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program: http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more! It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages You are receiving Individual Emails Change Delivery Settings Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS Cat health care Cat health Cat health insurance Cat food health Cat Find Deals Yahoo! Shopping Find great deals for Back to School. Yahoo! TV Want the scoop? Check out today's news and gossip. Y! GeoCities Share Your Resume Show off your talent and skills. . __,_._,___ No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006 How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger�s low PC-to-Phone call rates. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Head shake symptom - Spencer - 2 different abx at same time
i am personally not terribly thrilled with antech, either, as they keep INSISTING that they have a reliable FIP test, which no one else accepts baytril has definite side effects in young cats--don't have the technical language at paw, but it basically can stunt their growth. it's stated clearly in their literature, tho, so hopefully vets are aware of it i know of numerous cases where two antibiotics are used at once; again, one assumes that the vets know what and why they're doing it when they do. it makes sense to complete a course of one that's already started if the second one is specific for different organisms, tho, or else you get into the whole problem of helping to create resistant strains. On 8/29/06, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vet recently told me that they (I guess vet association) is reviewing the protocol of dosage of using baytrill (it sounded like there were some side effect issues..) so I am a bit cautious using batyrill anyway.. Also, if the test was ran by antech, I would recommend that you run western blot to see if he is really positive for FIV --- I have 40% false positive when the test was done by antech..and I really don't trust them.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Head shake symptom - Spencer - 2 different abx at same time They did run the felv twice, both times of course on ELISA. When I bring him in for another cbc, I'll have them retest using IFA. I'm not sure when I should be thinking of bringing him back in. The vet wants to do another test, but she didn't give me a specific time frame, (she wants to check on his anemia and see if the abx are helping). I think my using the feline interferon is throwing her. I'm hoping that Spence continues to improve and I won't feel the need to monitor his blood work as closely. Hiedeyo had expressed concerns about using two different abx at the same time. Has anyone else ever been advised to do this? I'm trying to remember, but I think this is the first time I've ever had anyone on more than one type at the same time. I think my vet suggested it because she doesn't want to stop the Clav before the course is over. Hmm... I wonder why she isn't having me stop at 7 days instead of going the 14. I guess I'll be calling the vet's office again. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, Patches, who is FeLV+, tested positive for FIV also on the in-house test when last tested. At the shelter, she had tested negative for FIV, I think. Unless you got IFA done, it might not be true. Michelle In a message dated 8/29/2006 9:45:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Poor Spence has the double whammy of felv and fiv. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: I'm losing my Angel...
Oh Karen, sending GLOW to you and Angel for calm and strength and peace so you are able to help Angel appropriately, whatever route that is.kandbz_ mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Well, Angel's "hip" problem turned out to not be her hip. The vet felt a big, swollen bump near her bottom and tail. He took a syringe and drained out a bunch of white colored stuff. He looked at it under the microscope and thinks it is cancer cells. He says she is in a lot of pain and this would take some doing, including a specialist, to have anything done about it. He says even if he drains all the stuff out, it will probably come back. She has nerve damage and may never be able to walk again. I don't really care about the money or how much it costs...I am just worried about stressing her out by putting her thru a bunch of things. She looks up at me with tears in her eyes and meows like she is in pain. She is only 5 months old and I have only had her for about 6 or 7 weeks. I am just heartbroken. She is too young to be going thru this. Please keep us in your thought and prayers.Thanks,Karen __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Re: Fw: [HANDICATS2] SEEKING: FELV+ Maine Coon (or copycat) in NE area, or CO.
I urge everyone looking for a special needs cat to check the cats listed at http://www.bemikitties.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/classifieds/classifieds.cgiand everyone with a special needs foster to list there. This site provides a wonderful freenationwide listing service for FIV, FeLV and other special cats. Please circulate the web address widely. (My FIV+ foster, CeCe, is listed there. So was FeLV+ Esprit, but she was adopted by her foster and really is living a fairytale life in Costa Mesa now.)TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On 8/29/06, Patricia Lamoretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BuddyBoy, who is double positive (FeLV and FIV), was relocated to Best Friends in Kanab, Utah, from NY in February.Some may say Best Friends is a great place but it's not a "real" home and if a space opens up in their leuk house, they can take another unfortunate kitty in. If you want more information, please let me know and I'll put you in touch with the right people. PAT Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a wonderful opportunity to place a kitty that would otherwise probably be euthanized!Pam- Original Message - From: Phaewryn To: Peggy Dial, purebred cats ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Linda Mercer/CFA Purebred Rescue ; carol, Maine Coon Rescue ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; LVVS ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 9:29 PM Subject: [HANDICATS2] SEEKING: FELV+ Maine Coon (or copycat) in NE area, or CO.I have a request from someone that is looking for a FELV+ Maine Coon or a look alike as a companion to her current FELV+ Maine Coon. If you know of any in the North Eastern USA (or Colorado), please send me the info to pass along. She will be in Rhode Island, moving from Colorado soon. Not sure if driving or flying, may be open to cats along the route, not sure. I've already searched Petfinder and Craig's List, and found only 3 FELV Coonies (which is a good thing, I know, but I am SURE there are more out there in local animal control shelters and smaller humane rescues that don't list on petfinder, so if you see a Coonie-looking cat at your local shelter (or vet's office), if the shelter doesn't do FELV testing, send the info along, I'm sure even saving a healthy cat to be an FELV cat's companion would be preferable to death at the shelter!). Thanks, PhaewrynPlease adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program: http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more! It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages You are receiving Individual Emails Change Delivery Settings Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS Cat health care Cat health Cat health insurance Cat food health Cat Find Deals Yahoo! Shopping Find great deals for Back to School.Yahoo! TV Want the scoop? Check out today's news and gossip.Y! GeoCities Share Your Resume Show off your talent and skills. . __,_._,___ No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger�s low PC-to-Phone call rates. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Head shake symptom - Spencer - 2 different abx at same time
Clavamox itself is a combination of 2 antibiotics. I knew that! See what a mean about my mind going? I'm going to do the retest on both felv and fiv. I had always suspected he had fiv. I usually test when they're neutered, with Spence, the vet forgot to test and I hadn't brought him back in. It's hard to believe I've been on this list for years and still can live so richly in denial. Not that it makes that much of a difference. At least I hadn't mixed any kittens with him. Big sigh. Thanks for the info about combining the abx and their effects. I'm sorry about that pos foster baby that suffered from the shelter's ignorance. I hate it when our lessons learned come at such a heavy price. The story does give me encouragement about Spencer's lack of eating. As always, Michelle, you're a jewel, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually meant the FIV test, not the FeLV test. I think FIV tests are wrong 80% of the time on ELISA. Not that it matters all that much if he is FeLV+. Clavamox itself is a combination of 2 antibiotics. I myself have given Dox with a half dose of Baytril combo for a week to get rid of a bad persistent URI. It is a combo used by the woman who runs the shelter my cats came from, only when URI does not respond to normal course of treatment. I think that, early on, I may have caused a young cat to stop eating by doing this, though, when i did not understand the effects such abx can have on the stomach or the effects of not eating for a few days. I brought him back to the shelter for additional treatment (he was a positive foster) and they euthanized him, which I was shocked and upset to learn and am haunted by. I adopted all the other fosters I had to protect them from such things, and that's how I ended up with 6 positive cats. But I did have a very good result with combining dox and baytril with Buddy, one of the others, who had been sick when I took him in and nothing else seemed to knock it out. After a few days on both he felt so good that he started climbing the window screens! Michelle In a message dated 8/29/2006 11:31:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They did run the felv twice, both times of course on ELISA. When I bring him in for another cbc, I'll have them retest using IFA. I'm not sure when I should be thinking of bringing him back in. The vet wants to do another test, but she didn't give me a specific time frame, (she wants to check on his anemia and see if the abx are helping). I think my using the feline interferon is throwing her. I'm hoping that Spence continues to improve and I won't feel the need to monitor his blood work as closely. Hiedeyo had expressed concerns about using two different abx at the same time. Has anyone else ever been advised to do this? I'm trying to remember, but I think this is the first time I've ever had anyone on more than one type at the same time. I think my vet suggested it because she doesn't want to stop the Clav before the course is over. Hmm... I wonder why she isn't having me stop at 7 days instead of going the 14. I guess I'll be calling the vet's office again. Nina
Re: Inky update
Kerry, What are Inky's BUN and creatinine values, these are the two main ones associated with Kidney problems" Fred gets daily fluids now, 100MLs a day, I have to bribe him with chicken or tuna. His creatinine went from 2.6 to 4.2 in three weeks, his BUN actually got a little better from 46 to 44 getting no fluids, so my vet suggested 75MLs a every other day but we talked and I asked her if it wouldn't be better for him to get fluids everyday since he got so much worse so quickly. She said yes but since he was NOT good about getting them she tried to make it easy for me, but he will get what he needs. The creatinine is the most important to determine the loss of function. He has been pretty good, the last couple days he has grumbled a bit but he is getting his fluids and I think he is putting some weight back on. I think we redo bloodwork in about a month or so, I hope his creatinine went down a little. His anemia is OK, he was 24% last time we checked, he had a dental right before and IV fluids so we weren't sure how accurate it was, it was 30% before the dental, he isn't acting anemic so I'm not too worried about that. I just wanted to impress how important fluids are for a cat with kidney problems, I asked my vet specifically about it because there is a person on the CRF list that keeps saying fluids are only to hyrdate the cat, this is NOT true and I knew my vet had told me that. Yes they do hyrdate the cat BUT they also help the part of the kidney that is still functioning to flush the kidneys thereby helping rid the body of toxins and keeping the healthy functioning part of the the kidney functioning for as long as possible. CRF is a terminal disease process but there are things you can do to delay the inevitable and fluids are a very big part of it. My vet told me the kidney are made up of tubularies (sp?) and when there is a kidney problem the tubularies start scarring and closing up with scar tissue. Fluids help keep the healthy un-scarred tubularies open and working longer so fluids are important. Not the most scientific explanation but basically what my vet described as I understood it anyway. Also getting Inky to drink as much as possible is good also. Wet food if he will eat it is better than dry and any juice you can get him to drink is good. I will bring food to Fred when he is in another room and try and get him to eat a little, I even add water to the wet food. I hope Inky starts feeling better soon. Lots of prayers and healthy positive thoughts coming for Inky. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Head shake symptom - Spencer - 2 different abx at same time
I'll check with my vet's office and ask them if they are using Antech. Thanks guys, Nina TenHouseCats wrote: i am personally not terribly thrilled with antech, either, as they keep INSISTING that they have a reliable FIP test, which no one else accepts baytril has definite side effects in young cats--don't have the technical language at paw, but it basically can stunt their growth. it's stated clearly in their literature, tho, so hopefully vets are aware of it i know of numerous cases where two antibiotics are used at once; again, one assumes that the vets know what and why they're doing it when they do. it makes sense to complete a course of one that's already started if the second one is specific for different organisms, tho, or else you get into the whole problem of helping to create resistant strains. On 8/29/06, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vet recently told me that they (I guess vet association) is reviewing the protocol of dosage of using baytrill (it sounded like there were some side effect issues..) so I am a bit cautious using batyrill anyway.. Also, if the test was ran by antech, I would recommend that you run western blot to see if he is really positive for FIV --- I have 40% false positive when the test was done by antech..and I really don't trust them..
Re: Question #2: Grooming
Nope, just furkids and hubby :) gee, belinda, do you sleep with yours on the bed next to you, too? probably not, you have a human companion! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Head shake symptom - Spencer - 2 different abx at same time
Thanks Diane. How are you and Gail doing? Nina Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: For what it's worth, our vet had Patches on Clav and also...I want to say Orbax?...overlapping. He was on the Orbax first, then while that course was still running, the Clav. Diane R.
Re: Inky update - Belinda
Belinda, I was just going to write to you for an update about Fred. I'm glad he seems to be doing better and is accepting his subqs a little more gracefully. Head bumps to Fred and Inky, Nina Belinda wrote: Kerry, What are Inky's BUN and creatinine values, these are the two main ones associated with Kidney problems" Fred gets daily fluids now, 100MLs a day, I have to bribe him with chicken or tuna. His creatinine went from 2.6 to 4.2 in three weeks, his BUN actually got a little better from 46 to 44 getting no fluids, so my vet suggested 75MLs a every other day but we talked and I asked her if it wouldn't be better for him to get fluids everyday since he got so much worse so quickly. She said yes but since he was NOT good about getting them she tried to make it easy for me, but he will get what he needs. The creatinine is the most important to determine the loss of function. He has been pretty good, the last couple days he has grumbled a bit but he is getting his fluids and I think he is putting some weight back on. I think we redo bloodwork in about a month or so, I hope his creatinine went down a little. His anemia is OK, he was 24% last time we checked, he had a dental right before and IV fluids so we weren't sure how accurate it was, it was 30% before the dental, he isn't acting anemic so I'm not too worried about that. I just wanted to impress how important fluids are for a cat with kidney problems, I asked my vet specifically about it because there is a person on the CRF list that keeps saying fluids are only to hyrdate the cat, this is NOT true and I knew my vet had told me that. Yes they do hyrdate the cat BUT they also help the part of the kidney that is still functioning to flush the kidneys thereby helping rid the body of toxins and keeping the healthy functioning part of the the kidney functioning for as long as possible. CRF is a terminal disease process but there are things you can do to delay the inevitable and fluids are a very big part of it. My vet told me the kidney are made up of tubularies (sp?) and when there is a kidney problem the tubularies start scarring and closing up with scar tissue. Fluids help keep the healthy un-scarred tubularies open and working longer so fluids are important. Not the most scientific explanation but basically what my vet described as I understood it anyway. Also getting Inky to drink as much as possible is good also. Wet food if he will eat it is better than dry and any juice you can get him to drink is good. I will bring food to Fred when he is in another room and try and get him to eat a little, I even add water to the wet food. I hope Inky starts feeling better soon. Lots of prayers and healthy positive thoughts coming for Inky.
RE: Head shake symptom - Spencer - 2 different abx at same time
We are okay. Life goes on, although we still spend a little time second-guessing what happened to Patches. I saw a post on, I think, another list about a disease that's caused by ticks, and the symptoms are the cat gets lethargic and very hot, which describe a couple of his symptoms, and so now we're wondering about that, since he did have a tick when we got him (although the post mentioned Oklahoma and we're in Wisconsin). It still bothers us that when he came to us he seemed pretty lively despite the critters and the mats, and then went downhill so fast. :-( Thanks for asking! I hope Spencer gets his issues sorted out okay! Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 1:08 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Head shake symptom - Spencer - 2 different abx at same time Thanks Diane. How are you and Gail doing?NinaRosenfeldt, Diane wrote: For what it's worth, our vet had Patches on Clav and also...I want to say Orbax?...overlapping. He was on the Orbax first, then while that course was still running, the Clav. Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: Dilated left eye
Thanks Nina, I'll try the warm wash cloth. His coat needs it! RoxaneNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When my Grace's eye's were unevenly dilated I panicked. Many people told me, (including a trusted vet), that it is something that occurs in felv kitties and doesn't seem to cause any problems. Knocking himself silly is another story though. I'd be very interested to hear what else you come up with for the head shaking thing, (Spence is still shaking his head occasionally).As far as not grooming himself... You could wring a warm wash cloth and see if he lets you groom him. Start around his neck and ears, (make sure the cloth is well wrung). Think Mom cat and see if he doesn't start grooming himself more with this encouragement.NinaRoxane Baldwin wrote:I'llcheck that this afternoon when I get home. I was afraid the wayhe runs around, he hit his head and knocked himself silly. This is the first cat I've ever cared for that doesn't clean himself at all. I've even put water on him trying to get him to clean and he just lets himself air dry.Roxane[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has he been checked for earmites, and had his ears cleaned recently? Could be that simple. Phaewryn Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.
Re: To Gina: Re: OT: Re: Question #3: Supplements
I feed Slinky Innova Evo wet and dry too. It took me a while to get him really interested in the canned, and I did have to take away the dry when I gave it to him. Then I just went away for a few days and had to leave the dry in an automatic feeder and have my coworker who was coming to take care of him give him twice as much canned in a serving because she could only come once a day. I was really worried that he wouldn't eat ANY of the canned. In order to try to entice him, I mixed in some freeze-dried chicken chunks I bought as a treat (called "Live-a-littles"). They actually crumble and become kinnd of a powder that I mixed into the food. He couldn't resist it then!Now I'll have to ween him off of that, but...it got h im eating it! You might want to try that. I get the live-a-littles at my natural pet food store. They might have them at Whole Foods or you could try online (www.petfooddirect.com seems to have a pretty good selection). They also make flakes and treats that you can sprinkle on food as a way to get them to eat.Just a suggestion. Good luck getting him to eat!!MJGina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Wendy,I've been offering her the dry foodas a supplement to the wet food (as was recommended by my vet) for about two months. She never turned her nose up at wet food before. She was on Science Diet(wet and also dry seperately). When I transitioned her over to Innova (wet)she loved it and would eat her fill. Now she just paws at the ground by the food bowl like she's covering up her "business"! Her dry foodis a mixture of the Science Diet and Innova Evo dry. I am going to buy another bag of Evo and mix it in, as I think she likes the Evo dry and her system is okay with the change over from Science Diet now.At any rate, I am going to call the vet tomorrow for a check-up just in case, and go to my local feed store to buy some different cans to try.Gina. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Gina,What do you think made her start turning her nose upat the wet Innova? Do you think it was putting thedry out? Can you see if taking the dry will help? Iwould try that, especially since she needs the lysine.I don't think there's any way to add lysine to thedry. As far as other wet foods go, some people likeWellness. I think that California Naturals makesInnova, so they will have other premium wet foods ontheir website you can learn about. Keep me posted onwhat works.:)Wendy--- Gina WN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Wendy, I've been feeding Pippin Innova wet food and mixing in the L-lysine. She seemed to like it. I was supplementing with Innova Evo dry mixed with Science Diet dry (to transition her over from Science dry that she was eating.) Now, she won't eat the wet Innova at all. She turns her nose up at it and only wants the dry food. Can I stir the L-Lysine into the dry food until I find a wet food she will eat? And, can you recommend other wet foods I can try? Ginawendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hey Gina, I am not sure how much is too much lysine, but from what I've read, if kitty is asymptomatic, then 250 mg. per day is good for maintenance. If kitty has symptoms or is ill, then 500 mg. per day is not too much. That's what I gave Smookie when she had a corneal ulcer. If she tests negative on the second FeLV test, then I don't see the need to boost her immune system, unless the test is wrong. I have a kitty with feline herpes and I don't give her lysine unless she has symptoms. Some people do though. It just depends on the person and their philosophy. It is good for them, so doing it for maintenance or for symptoms, either way is fine. I am not sure how much lysine is too much. I think some people even give 1000 mg. per day or more depending on how sick kitty is. You should research this more though. You can find info. on the web. Just pay attention to the sources. :) Wendy__ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Please visit my Tigger Tales site! At the bottom of the home and links pages are my merchant affiliate banners. If anyone uses my links to make a purchase, I will receive a percentage of all final sales. I am going to donate 100% of the proceeds to animal welfare organizations. This is a great way to shop your favorite online pet stores and give something to a worthy cause. Thank you in advance! - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Please visitmy Tigger Tales site! At the bottom of the home and links pages aremy merchant affiliate banners. If anyone uses my links to make a purchase, I will receive a percentage of all final sales.I am going to donate100% ofthe proceeds to animal welfare organizations.This is a
Re: I'm losing my Angel...
Karen, I'm so sorry to hear that your sweet baby is not doing well. You are in my thoughts and prayers...especially as you make decisions in the near future. Angel knows how much you love her and she is lucky to have such a great mom!!!Hang in there!MJBarb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Karen, sending GLOW to you and Angel for calm and strength and peace so you are able to help Angel appropriately, whatever route that is.kandbz_ mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Angel's "hip" problem turned out to not be her hip. The vet felt a big, swollen bump near her bottom and tail. He took a syringe and drained out a bunch of white colored stuff. He looked at it under the microscope and thinks it is cancer cells. He says she is in a lot of pain and this would take some doing, including a specialist, to have anything done about it. He says even if he drains all the stuff out, it will probably come back. She has nerve damage and may never be able to walk again. I don't really care about the money or how much it costs...I am just worried about stressing her out by putting her thru a bunch of things. She looks up at me with tears in her eyes and meows like she is in pain. She is only 5 months old and I have only had her for about 6 or 7 weeks. I am just heartbroken. She is too young to be going thru this. Please keep us in your thought and prayers.Thanks,Karen __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com
Re: Hip problems?
Sometimes a cat can have a blood clot that causes paralysis in the legs...tkandbz_ mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if hip problems are associated with FeLV? Angel went to bed just fine and got up in the morning almost unable to walk. It's as if her legs are coming out from under her. We have an appointment with a new vet today @ 3:00. I am hoping for good news. I have no idea what could've happened to her... All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
OT: Need feedback please
Hi All, Every once in a while I get people who post to the Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP and put free for the fee, it clearly say's at the TOP of the page this is not allowed, so I send them a drafted letter which I'm copying below with the reply I got from the person I sent it to. Please tell me if my letter is rude because that obviously isn't my intention and I don't want to scare anyone away BUT I do want them to realize how dangerous it is to post a pet for FREE. My letter follow below: Hi Kathy, Belinda here, I admin the ads, and there are no "Free To Good Home" ads allowed, none is the same as FREE. This is very dangerous for the cat, there are all kinds of lunatics out there. I don't think you want Tiger to end up being ripped to shreds by a Pit Bull in training to fight, or to spend his last few minutes on earth petrified while a snake squeezes the life out of him and devours him. Or maybe a sick, demented person who scours ads daily looking for an animal to torture and beat until they tire of them and finally put them out of their misery by killing them. Then there's the buncher who looks for free or cheap pets to take to labs where they are experimented on and then killed when they have served their purpose, these bunchers get anywhere from $30 to $100 dollars a pet from these labs. Giving an animal away FREE is very dangerous for that animal and I personally would rather euthanise a pet than take a chance that they could end up in some horrible situation like those I described. I get emails every single day about some poor pet that has endured horrible things until they finally died or were killed. I have even been told by some of my rescues how a whole family will come to look at an adoptee making them appear quite normal, only to find out later the pet was tortured again and again until it finally died or was killed. Please, please be very, very careful who you hand Tiger over to, he is depending on you to make sure he is safe when he goes to his new home!! Thank you. I'm not saying this to be mean, believe me I know these kinds of things happen a hundred times a day to innocent animals. I've changed your ad to negotiable. Please read these links for more info about how dangerous this is for the cat: http://www.theanimalspirit.com/adopt.html http://www.petrescue.com/library/free-pet.htm http://www.parrett.net/animalaid/free.html I belong to a group of people who are all owned by FeLV+/FIV, most if not all have other cats who are negative. Some let their cats mix some don't, it's a personal preference thing. I personally had 6 cats, my Bailey was my FeLV positive, he was + at 5 months of age. I just lost him last month to anemia at 11 years of age, he wasn't sick for all of those years. I just lost him in May after a 5 month illness to what turned out to be cancer. He lived, ate, slept, played with, groomed and on occasion had spats with all his vaccinated, negative housemates for all those years and nobody ever got it from him. It is almost impossible for a healthy, adult cat to get it from a positive and if they ever did the healthy adult cats immune system would fight it off. The bottom line is it isn't as contagious as most vets would have you believe. AND FIV is even less contagious and harder to give to another cat as it takes a deep bite wound to for it to be even possible to transmit it from one cat to another. If your interested in checking the group out you can do that here: http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Please feel free to contact me anytime. 253 891-1197 Here's someone named Davids reply, just got it: oh wow that was rude. did you think it was absolutely needed to go on for 3 paragraphs about what COULD happen to him. i think you are the demented one! these people will get there hands on animals no matter what i say in my ad or what i don't say. but thanks for the help, i guess. i have decided to keep him so take it off all way, creep! I'm afraid my reply was rude, I just am tired of people not reading or following directions and then yelling at me for it when I point it out, I lost it this time :( I'm really tired of people like you who are too lazy to read or if you did follow directions tell me I'm rude, your email was VERY rude, mine was informational, but I wouldn't expect someone like you to know the difference. Take the ad off yourself, it's a free service and this is part of it being free! I usually get a reply saying they had no idea of the dangers and they are happy to learn about it. I've only had one other person be rude like this in all the time the service has been available. Please don't candy coat anything, I know I can be tactless sometimes and I only want to help these kitties that is the priority, so any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks guys. Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ...
Re: I'm losing my Angel...
Karen, I'm so sorry. tonyakandbz_ mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Well, Angel's "hip" problem turned out to not be her hip. The vet felt a big, swollen bump near her bottom and tail. He took a syringe and drained out a bunch of white colored stuff. He looked at it under the microscope and thinks it is cancer cells. He says she is in a lot of pain and this would take some doing, including a specialist, to have anything done about it. He says even if he drains all the stuff out, it will probably come back. She has nerve damage and may never be able to walk again. I don't really care about the money or how much it costs...I am just worried about stressing her out by putting her thru a bunch of things. She looks up at me with tears in her eyes and meows like she is in pain. She is only 5 months old and I have only had her for about 6 or 7 weeks. I am just heartbroken. She is too young to be going thru this. Please keep us in your thought and prayers.Thanks,Karen __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bad news about Spencer
Nina,First of all I really doubt this has anything to do with the clumping litter. Did you not know Spencer was positive? I would treat with doxy just in case of hemobart and maybe try immunoregulin. Hang in there. tNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, I'm sorry I haven't been able to keep up with the list lately. As always, my prayers are with you and your furbabies.I got some bad news about Spencer yesterday. For about five days before I took him to the Internist on Friday, he'd been showing symptoms... Clear discharge from his eyes and nose, waning appetite, lethargy and then finally I caught him eating some of that dreaded clumping litter. I know, I know, we just discussed the hazards of clumping litter, but I bought some more of it because I needed some and it was all Costco had in stock. About two weeks ago he also had a bout of vomiting that lasted a couple of days. I'm still waiting for my vet's office to send me the full results of his cbc, he's got anemia, (Hematocrit 19.5 and Nutri-fils 1295). I'm reeling from the result of his fiv/felv tests, he's positive for both. Right now he's on Clavomox and Baytril, (I had put him on Clav last Wed pm). He's acting a little better, but I still haven't seen him defecate, (he's out in general population still, so I could have missed it), and I'm worried about a possible obstruction. One of the vets thought she felt "something hard" when she palpatated him, the other vet didn't feel anything. The article Michelle posted mentioned something about homeopathic vets treating for obstruction, but it didn't say what, or how. I've emailed the woman that wrote the article and have a call into a vet I've used that treats with homeopathics. Of course she's out of town for the next two weeks. Hopefully the vet that's filling in for her will have some advice without making me bring Spencer in for an xray or ultrasound. Does anyone know anything about the treatment for clumping litter obstruction?Hideyo is sending me a box of VO, hopefully it will get here by tomorrow. Hideyo, I wrote to you earlier about Michelle at my vet's office being on vacation for the next three weeks. When I asked about getting the dispensation process started for VO, they told me it would have to wait until Michelle returns. I'll try to call you later so we can talk about this.Please everyone, send prayers and good thoughts that Spencer bounces back and my fears about the clumping litter are groundless.Nina
Re: Popeye has gone to the bridge
Thank you Nina. We're pulling for Spencer here.tNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya,I'm sorry about Popeye and that horrible woman that gave you so much grief on top of losing him. I hope by now you are coping better. Hugs to you sweetie, hang in there,Nina
Re: OT: Need feedback please
i don't think it's rude at all. am thinking, tho, that some shelters DO let special-needs cats go for no fee, but that's AFTER they pass their adoption/application process. in those cases, it's to make room for more easily adoptable cats, while doing their best to make sure the cat gets a good home. so not sure about how to handle that--at a shelter that's FULL of cats, sometimes a reduced/no fee is the only way that an FIV/FeLV has a chance On 8/29/06, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Every once in a while I get people who post to the Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP and put free for the fee, it clearly say's at the TOP of the page this is not allowed, so I send them a drafted letter which I'm copying below with the reply I got from the person I sent it to. Please tell me if my letter is rude because that obviously isn't my intention and I don't want to scare anyone away BUT I do want them to realize how dangerous it is to post a pet for FREE. My letter follow below: Hi Kathy,Belinda here, I admin the ads, and there are no Free To Good Home ads allowed, none is the same as FREE. This is very dangerous for the cat, there are all kinds of lunatics out there. I don't think you want Tiger to end up being ripped to shreds by a Pit Bull in training to fight, or to spend his last few minutes on earth petrified while a snake squeezes the life out of him and devours him. Or maybe a sick, demented person who scours ads daily looking for an animal to torture and beat until they tire of them and finally put them out of their misery by killing them. Then there's the buncher who looks for free or cheap pets to take to labs where they are experimented on and then killed when they have served their purpose, these bunchers get anywhere from $30 to $100 dollars a pet from these labs. Giving an animal away FREE is very dangerous for that animal and I personally would rather euthanise a pet than take a chance that they could end up in some horrible situation like those I described.I get emails every single day about some poor pet that has endured horrible things until they finally died or were killed. I have even been told by some of my rescues how a whole family will come to look at an adoptee making them appear quite normal, only to find out later the pet was tortured again and again until it finally died or was killed. Please, please be very, very careful who you hand Tiger over to, he is depending on you to make sure he is safe when he goes to his new home!! Thank you. I'm not saying this to be mean, believe me I know these kinds of things happen a hundred times a day to innocent animals. I've changed your ad to negotiable.Please read these links for more info about how dangerous this is for the cat: http://www.theanimalspirit.com/adopt.html http://www.petrescue.com/library/free-pet.htmhttp://www.parrett.net/animalaid/free.html I belong to a group of people who are all owned by FeLV+/FIV, most if not all have other cats who are negative. Some let their cats mix some don't, it's a personal preference thing.I personally had 6 cats, my Bailey was my FeLV positive, he was + at 5 months of age. I just lost him last month to anemia at 11 years of age, he wasn't sick for all of those years. I just lost him in May after a 5 month illness to what turned out to be cancer. He lived, ate, slept, played with, groomed and on occasion had spats with all his vaccinated, negative housemates for all those years and nobody ever got it from him. It is almost impossible for a healthy, adult cat to get it from a positive and if they ever did the healthy adult cats immune system would fight it off. The bottom line is it isn't as contagious as most vets would have you believe. AND FIV is even less contagious and harder to give to another cat as it takes a deep bite wound to for it to be even possible to transmit it from one cat to another. If your interested in checking the group out you can do that here: http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orgPlease feel free to contact me anytime.253 891-1197Here's someone named Davids reply, just got it: oh wow that was rude. did you think it was absolutely needed to go on for 3 paragraphs about what COULD happen to him. i think you are the demented one! these people will get there hands on animals no matter what i say in my ad or what i don't say. but thanks for the help, i guess. i have decided to keep him so take it off all way, creep! I'm afraid my reply was rude, I just am tired of people not reading or following directions and then yelling at me for it when I point it out, I lost it this time :( I'm really tired of people like you who are too lazy to read or if you did follow directions tell me I'm rude, your email was VERY rude, mine was informational, but I wouldn't expect someone like you to know the difference. Take the ad off yourself, it's a free service and this is part of it being free! I usually get a reply saying they had no idea of the dangers and
my list of places to post FIV/FeLV cats
PLEASE ADD ANY OTHERS! www.adopt.bemikitties.com http://www.marleyfund.com/add_fiv.aspxhttp://purebredcatbreedrescue.org/photopost/index.php (for purebreds and lookalikes) these two i just found--don't have any experience with them http://www.specialneedspets.com/ http://www.petswithdisabilities.org/catadopt.html lists: (yahoogroups you have to join)http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Special_Needs_Rescue_Cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Special_Needs_Rescue (cats and other critters) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PurringPixieCatResource http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HandiCats2http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Disabled-Cats-Rescue http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aforeverhomeFeLVTalk (join at www.felineleukemia.org)-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Bad news about Spencer
Thanks Tonya, I think he's okay from eating the litter. It was just another thing to worry me and the one thing I wasn't doing anything about. The vet had suggested an ultra sound to check, but I've been spending so much money (I don't have) the last couple of weeks on animal related stuff that I decided to wait and watch instead. Of course after I got home I wasn't sure I'd done the right thing. No, I didn't know he was positive. I suspected he was fiv +, but it was a shock to hear he was pos for both fiv and felv. Like Michelle said, he may not really be pos for fiv, I'll know for certain when we do the IFA test. I did start him on Dox this morning and I'll be starting the VO this evening when Bruce gets home to hold him for me. His respiratory rate has me concerned. I just looked up the normal rate and found out it's 16-40 breaths per minute. Spence is at 52. Other than that he is slowly improving symptom wise. I'm going to go and offer him more food right now. Thanks for the support, Nina catatonya wrote: Nina, First of all I really doubt this has anything to do with the clumping litter. Did you not know Spencer was positive? I would treat with doxy just in case of hemobart and maybe try immunoregulin. Hang in there. t Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, I'm sorry I haven't been able to keep up with the list lately. As always, my prayers are with you and your furbabies. I got some bad news about Spencer yesterday. For about five days before I took him to the Internist on Friday, he'd been showing symptoms... Clear discharge from his eyes and nose, waning appetite, lethargy and then finally I caught him eating some of that dreaded clumping litter. I know, I know, we just discussed the hazards of clumping litter, but I bought some more of it because I needed some and it was all Costco had in stock. About two weeks ago he also had a bout of vomiting that lasted a couple of days. I'm still waiting for my vet's office to send me the full results of his cbc, he's got anemia, (Hematocrit 19.5 and Nutri-fils 1295). I'm reeling from the result of his fiv/felv tests, he's positive for both. Right now he's on Clavomox and Baytril, (I had put him on Clav last Wed pm). He's acting a little better, but I still haven't seen him defecate, (he's out in general population still, so I could have missed it), and I'm worried about a possible obstruction. One of the vets thought she felt "something hard" when she palpatated him, the other vet didn't feel anything. The article Michelle posted mentioned something about homeopathic vets treating for obstruction, but it didn't say what, or how. I've emailed the woman that wrote the article and have a call into a vet I've used that treats with homeopathics. Of course she's out of town for the next two weeks. Hopefully the vet that's filling in for her will have some advice without making me bring Spencer in for an xray or ultrasound. Does anyone know anything about the treatment for clumping litter obstruction? Hideyo is sending me a box of VO, hopefully it will get here by tomorrow. Hideyo, I wrote to you earlier about Michelle at my vet's office being on vacation for the next three weeks. When I asked about getting the dispensation process started for VO, they told me it would have to wait until Michelle returns. I'll try to call you later so we can talk about this. Please everyone, send prayers and good thoughts that Spencer bounces back and my fears about the clumping litter are groundless. Nina
Re: OT: Need feedback please
Belinda I don't think that you were rude at all.Maybe they just don't like to be told the facts!! You did the right thing. SherryBelinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Every once in a while I get people who post to the Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP and put free for the fee, it clearly say's at the TOP of the page this is not allowed, so I send them a drafted letter which I'm copying below with the reply I got from the person I sent it to. Please tell me if my letter is rude because that obviously isn't my intention and I don't want to scare anyone away BUT I do want them to realize how dangerous it is to post a pet for FREE. My letter follow below: Hi Kathy,Belinda here, I admin the ads, and there are no "Free To Good Home" ads allowed, none is the same as FREE. This is very dangerous for the cat, there are all kinds of lunatics out there.I don't think you want Tiger to end up being ripped to shreds by a Pit Bull in training to fight, or to spend his last few minutes on earth petrified while a snake squeezes the life out of him and devours him. Or maybe a sick, demented person who scours ads daily looking for an animal to torture and beat until they tire of them and finally put them out of their misery by killing them. Then there's the buncher who looks for free or cheap pets to take to labs where they are experimented on and then killed when they have served their purpose, these bunchers get anywhere from $30 to $100 dollars a pet from these labs.Giving an animal away FREE is very dangerous for that animal and I personally would rather euthanise a pet than take a chance that they could end up in some horrible situation like those I described.I get emails every single day about some poor pet that has endured horrible things until they finally died or were killed. I have even been told by some of my rescues how a whole family will come to look at an adoptee making them appear quite normal, only to find out later the pet was tortured again and again until it finally died or was killed. Please, please be very, very careful who you hand Tiger over to, he is depending on you to make sure he is safe when he goes to his new home!! Thank you.I'm not saying this to be mean, believe me I know these kinds of things happen a hundred times a day to innocent animals. I've changed your ad to negotiable.Please read these links for more info about how dangerous this is for the cat:http://www.theanimalspirit.com/adopt.htmlhttp://www.petrescue.com/library/free-pet.htmhttp://www.parrett.net/animalaid/free.htmlI belong to a group of people who are all owned by FeLV+/FIV, most if not all have other cats who are negative. Some let their cats mix some don't, it's a personal preference thing.I personally had 6 cats, my Bailey was my FeLV positive, he was + at 5 months of age. I just lost him last month to anemia at 11 years of age, he wasn't sick for all of those years. I just lost him in May after a 5 month illness to what turned out to be cancer. He lived, ate, slept, played with, groomed and on occasion had spats with all his vaccinated, negative housemates for all those years and nobody ever got it from him. It is almost impossible for a healthy, adult cat to get it from a positive and if they ever did the healthy adult cats immune system would fight it off.The bottom line is it isn't as contagious as most vets would have you believe. AND FIV is even less contagious and harder to give to another cat as it takes a deep bite wound to for it to be even possible to transmit it from one cat to another.If your interested in checking the group out you can do that here:http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orgPlease feel free to contact me anytime.253 891-1197Here's someone named Davids reply, just got it: oh wow that was rude. did you think it was absolutely needed to go on for 3 paragraphs about what COULD happen to him. i think you are the demented one! these people will get there hands on animals no matter what i say in my ad or what i don't say. but thanks for the help, i guess. i have decided to keep him so take it off all way, creep!I'm afraid my reply was rude, I just am tired of people not reading or following directions and then yelling at me for it when I point it out, I lost it this time :( I'm really tired of people like you who are too lazy to read or if you did follow directions tell me I'm rude, your email was VERY rude, mine was informational, but I wouldn't expect someone like you to know the difference. Take the ad off yourself, it's a free service and this is part of it being free!I usually get a reply saying they had no idea of the dangers and they are happy to learn about it. I've only had one other person be rude like this in all the time the service has been available.Please don't candy coat anything, I know I can be tactless sometimes and I only want to help these kitties that is the priority, so any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks guys.Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP
Off Topic - wills and trusts
Sorry if this is a bit off topic but would greatly appreciate any advice folks have to offer. We are meeting with our attorney tomorrow to draw up wills (long overdue) and are stumped as to how to provide for our four legged family members in the event we both pass at the same time. We really don't have friends or family that truly comprehend what we mean when we say they are family members - we have no lower expectations for their care and well being than we do our own - and we want to be sure that continues when we pass. We don't want to have our assets tied to our kids (I.E. a portion of our estate goes to so-and-so for the care of our kids - how do we know they won't just spend the money and then, if there's a medical emergency, euthanise them because it costs too much to provide care?) The thought of our family not being properly cared for is very unnerving. Thank you for taking the time to read and any suggestions are greatly appreciated ~ Evan Dee
Re: Off Topic - wills and trusts
Believe it or not there are lawyers who deal with this type of situation. Expect to pay a bit more because it is not the standard form type will. If your lawyer doesn't understand find another one. Also make provisions for any one who challenges the will. That has happened. I have a will that is similar to what you are describing. However, my brother is the administrator and that has to change for the benefit of the critters. Hold out for what you want and don't be put off. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Evan Dee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 6:27 PM Subject: Off Topic - wills and trusts Sorry if this is a bit off topic but would greatly appreciate any advice folks have to offer. We are meeting with our attorney tomorrow to draw up wills (long overdue) and are stumped as to how to provide for our four legged family members in the event we both pass at the same time. We really don't have friends or family that truly comprehend what we mean when we say they are family members - we have no lower expectations for their care and well being than we do our own - and we want to be sure that continues when we pass. We don't want to have our assets tied to our kids (I.E. a portion of our estate goes to so-and-so for the care of our ids - how do we know they won't just spend the money and then, if there's a medical emergency, euthanise them because it costs too much to provide care?) The thought of our family not being properly cared for is very unnerving. Thank you for taking the time to read and any suggestions are greatly appreciated ~ Evan Dee -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006
Re: Off Topic - wills and trusts
Hi Evan and Dee, That's a good question. I need to modify my plans too. I'm associated with a rescue group, and that makes me feel better about the care of my babies in the event of my death, because they'll make every effort to help. And, an additional option is to leave life insurance or property to support them for that purpose. I might name someone as a monitor, to monitor what they do - just thought about that. My intent also, and something I've done informally, is to have agreements with friends ahead of time, to take some of my pets. I do have some of that now, for a few of my babies, but need to get better plans and better organized. Hope this helps - good luck. Gloria On Aug 29, 2006, at 6:27 PM, Evan Dee wrote: Sorry if this is a bit off topic but would greatly appreciate any advice folks have to offer. We are meeting with our attorney tomorrow to draw up wills (long overdue) and are stumped as to how to provide for our four legged family members in the event we both pass at the same time. We really don't have friends or family that truly comprehend what we mean when we say they are family members - we have no lower expectations for their care and well being than we do our own - and we want to be sure that continues when we pass. We don't want to have our assets tied to our kids (I.E. a portion of our estate goes to so-and-so for the care of our kids - how do we know they won't just spend the money and then, if there's a medical emergency, euthanise them because it costs too much to provide care?) The thought of our family not being properly cared for is very unnerving. Thank you for taking the time to read and any suggestions are greatly appreciated ~ Evan Dee
RE: Off Topic - wills and trusts
I'm not a lawyer, but am a legal secretary who has done a bunch of trust and estate work, and even though I can't give legal advice I can at least provide a little info. Are you considering a trust? Where I work, it's rare for people to have a Will without a trust, but then, these are rich people. :-). The downside to trusts is there are ongoing administrative expenses like annual tax preparation, which hopefully would be more than defrayed by the interest generated by the funds in them. THIS is the big advantage of a trust, that it continues to generate income as long as there are sufficient funds to make administering it worthwhile. The general procedure is to make a very simple Will that leaves everything to the trust. That accomplishes a couple of good things: it makes the Will very straightforward and lessens the possibility of being challenged. It also prevents your estate from going through probate, which is a really good thing if there are relatives or others you would rather not know your bidness, even in death. In probate, your Will and your assets are open for inspection by anybody who wants to. You can get really specific in a trust, setting up any number of subtrusts for any number of purposes. You could set up a separate subtrust for your pets, to be administered by someone you trust implicitly, or someone disinterested like a banker or lawyer, or a combination of both, and you can get really particular about how that fund is spent. And if you've got a good trustee who knows how to invest the money, it will easily outlast any pet you provide for.You might even be able to specify that after all your pets are deceased, the money goes to an animal charity -- removes any incentive to hasten their demise. Of course, you have to double check the laws of your state on all this, but if you can find a lawyer who does this kind of thing, as Marylyn suggests, (s)he should know all about this. Hope this helps. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Evan Dee Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 6:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Off Topic - wills and trusts Sorry if this is a bit off topic but would greatly appreciate any advice folks have to offer. We are meeting with our attorney tomorrow to draw up wills (long overdue) and are stumped as to how to provide for our four legged family members in the event we both pass at the same time. We really don't have friends or family that truly comprehend what we mean when we say they are family members - we have no lower expectations for their care and well being than we do our own - and we want to be sure that continues when we pass. We don't want to have our assets tied to our kids (I.E. a portion of our estate goes to so-and-so for the care of our kids - how do we know they won't just spend the money and then, if there's a medical emergency, euthanise them because it costs too much to provide care?) The thought of our family not being properly cared for is very unnerving. Thank you for taking the time to read and any suggestions are greatly appreciated ~ Evan Dee
Re: Head shake symptom - Spencer
Allergies can cause head shaking. Have you changed ANYTHING recently? Food? Treats? Litter? Detergent? ANYTHING in your home? Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006
Re: Dilated left eye
LOL Roxane, Now that's determination on his part. I can just hear him: "I'm NOT going to lick myself, and YOU can't make me! So THERE!" Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006
Re: Fw: [HANDICATS2] SEEKING: FELV+ Maine Coon (or copycat) in NEarea, or CO.
I was so happy when I heard BuddyBoy got in there (Best Friends), you guys may remember, he was my "highlighted special needs shelter cat" on my webpage for a while, after Jupiter. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006
Re: Head shake symptom - Spencer - (the tick disease link)
http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/clerk/Dailey/index.htm Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006
Re: Need feedback please
I think it's perfect, mind if I borrow it for my own use? Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006
Re: Head shake symptom - Spencer - 2 different abx at same time
I wrote that the Elisa FIV test is wrong 80% of the time, but meant 20%. I seem to have transposed the percentages. I have learned a lot from the mistakes I made with positives early on, but most of my mistakes resulted in death (the foster I wrote about, and heavy stress from confinement causing lymphoma in two of mine, I think). I know that happens frequently, but it is very hard to live with. The shelter that my cats came from is a small volunteer shelter with about 150 cats. They are the only ones in MA that take positives, to my knowledge. They never euthanize due to FeLV or FIV status. But they don't do a lot of diagnostic testing or care for problems either. When there is a problem and a cat stops eating, they normally give fluids and antibiotics and force-feed for a week, and if the cat does not start eating again at the end of the week they euthanize. It horrifies me, and at the same time I know they are better about the positives than most shelters. If I had really understood the whole thing I never would have brought Jimmy back to them when he stopped eating. But I did not know what to do at the time, and did not know their policy, and had had the cats less than a month and was leaving for a few days to visit a relative so thought he would be in better care there. I usually tell people that I took 6 positives from the shelter, but in reality I took 7 if you count Jimmy. I just usually find it too painful to count him. Michelle In a message dated 8/29/2006 2:02:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Clavamox itself is a combination of 2 antibiotics." I knew that! See what a mean about my mind going? I'm going to do the retest on both felv and fiv. I had always suspected he had fiv. I usually test when they're neutered, with Spence, the vet forgot to test and I hadn't brought him back in. It's hard to believe I've been on this list for years and still can live so richly in denial. Not that it makes that much of a difference. At least I hadn't mixed any kittens with him. Big sigh. Thanks for the info about combining the abx and their effects. I'm sorry about that pos foster baby that suffered from the shelter's ignorance. I hate it when our lessons learned come at such a heavy price. The story does give me encouragement about Spencer's lack of eating. As always, Michelle, you're a jewel,Nina
Re: Bad news about Spencer
Two of my cats were around 50 as well (when I counted them all last night). I don't think it's THAT abnormal, as these guys are very healthy negative cats. I'd be more concerned with difficulty breathing, if he is wheezing, or laboring at it in any way. I don't think the speed alone is that much of a concern. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006
Re: Head shake symptom - Spencer - 2 different abx at same time
You're talking about NOAH, right? I've worked with Linda from NOAH in person here in Vermont before (last summer's big bengal/aby raid), and I list her FELV and FIV cats on my website as well.[EMAIL PROTECTED] is Linda's addy. She's also taken my purebred rescues in the past, as she has good luck with purebreds in her area. I HIGHLY recommend NOAH for people in MA. Nemasket Orphaned Animal Haven Inc (NOAH) Raynham Center MA 508-386-3729 Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006
Re: Off Topic - wills and trusts
Thanks Diane. I have managed a bit of surfing since my post and can share the following: On June 29, 2006, the governor passed S.B. 660, adopting the Pennsylvania Uniform Trusts Act, including 20 Pa. C.S. Section 7738 (reproduced below), based upon UTC 408, effective on October 27, 2006. (Act No. 98, Section 16(3).) http://www.estateplanningforpets.org/legal-statutes-PA.htm For links to similar statutes in other states: http://www.estateplanningforpets.org/legal-statutes.htm An excellent article was also found at: http://www.peaceablekingdomac.com/without_you.htm I was also thrilled to stumble across this tidbit: Maine passed legislation in March of this year allowing animals to be included in protection orders in domestic violence cases. It seems that many men who abuse wives or girlfriends threaten or harm their animals to coerce or control the women. (Kudos to Maine) http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/trusts_estates_prof/new_legislation/index.html I am a bit worried about the costs of maintaining a trust - we certainly won't have a sizeable estate - but hope we can do something sensible. Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: I'm not a lawyer, but am a legal secretary who has done a bunch of trust and estate work, and even though I can't give legal advice I can at least provide a little info. Are you considering a trust? Where I work, it's rare for people to have a Will without a trust, but then, these are rich people. :-). The downside to trusts is there are ongoing administrative expenses like annual tax preparation, which hopefully would be more than defrayed by the interest generated by the funds in them. THIS is the big advantage of a trust, that it continues to generate income as long as there are sufficient funds to make administering it worthwhile. The general procedure is to make a very simple Will that leaves everything to the trust. That accomplishes a couple of good things: it makes the Will very straightforward and lessens the possibility of being challenged. It also prevents your estate from going through probate, which is a really good thing if there are relatives or others you would rather not know your bidness, even in death. In probate, your Will and your assets are open for inspection by anybody who wants to. You can get really specific in a trust, setting up any number of subtrusts for any number of purposes. You could set up a separate subtrust for your pets, to be administered by someone you trust implicitly, or someone disinterested like a banker or lawyer, or a combination of both, and you can get really particular about how that fund is spent. And if you've got a good trustee who knows how to invest the money, it will easily outlast any pet you provide for.You might even be able to specify that after all your pets are deceased, the money goes to an animal charity -- removes any incentive to hasten their demise. Of course, you have to double check the laws of your state on all this, but if you can find a lawyer who does this kind of thing, as Marylyn suggests, (s)he should know all about this. Hope this helps. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Evan Dee Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 6:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Off Topic - wills and trusts Sorry if this is a bit off topic but would greatly appreciate any advice folks have to offer. We are meeting with our attorney tomorrow to draw up wills (long overdue) and are stumped as to how to provide for our four legged family members in the event we both pass at the same time. We really don't have friends or family that truly comprehend what we mean when we say they are family members - we have no lower expectations for their care and well being than we do our own - and we want to be sure that continues when we pass. We don't want to have our assets tied to our kids (I.E. a portion of our estate goes to so-and-so for the care of our kids - how do we know they won't just spend the money and then, if there's a medical emergency, euthanise them because it costs too much to provide care?) The thought of our family not being properly cared for is very unnerving. Thank you for taking the time to read and any suggestions are greatly appreciated ~ Evan Dee
Re: Head shake symptom - Spencer - 2 different abx at same time
On a side note, Linda worked VERY hard to save a Persian she took on from me over a year ago (Seagull), and they didn't give up on him easily, but his heart was just too far gone from Cardiomyopathy. You have to understand, for a shelter, even giving a cat a WEEK of forcefeeding is VERY generous and modern. Most shelters don't ever bother with force feeding at all. Sorry, but Linda is a friend, and I have to stick up for what she does... Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006
Re: Off Topic - wills and trusts
I was also thrilled to stumble across this tidbit: Maine passed legislation in March of this year allowing animals to be included in protection orders in domestic violence cases. It seems that many men who abuse wives or girlfriends threaten or harm their animals to coerce or control the women. (Kudos to Maine)http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/trusts_estates_prof/new_legislation/index.htmlVERMONT TOO! We got right on that directly after Maine had their success, and we got it approved in Vermont within a couple of months! We ROCK! I don't know why anyone lives anywhere else...? http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/vermont_second_state_pets_protection_orders.html May26,2006The Humane Society of the United States and The Vermont Network Against Domestic and Sexual Violence today applauded Governor Jim Douglas for signing into law H. 373, an Act Relating to Orders Against Stalking or Sexual Assault. The law creates new protection orders for survivors of sexual assault and stalking perpetrated by people who aren't family or household members. The law also makes important changes to existing Abuse Prevention Orders available through Vermont's Family Courts. One critical change will allow judges to include pets in protective orders for persons seeking protection from abuse. Vermont is the second state behind Maine to provide specific legal protection for animals who often are at risk of violence at the hands of batterers. Maine Governor John Baldacci signed his state's bill earlier this year. New York and Illinois have introduced similar bills. "Violence to pets is often a tactic used by batterers to instill fear in and control over their victims," said Joanne Bourbeau, director of The HSUS New England Regional Office in Jacksonville. "Victims of domestic violence may be reluctant to leave an abusive relationship for fear of retaliation upon their pets. This legislation will give an extra layer of protection to domestic violence victims who are seeking safety for themselves and their animals." H. 373.represents a compromise reached in conference committee by the Vermont House and Senate, and was passed by both chambers on May 9. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006
Re:I'm losing my Angel...
Karen, You and Angel will be in my prayers tonight. Lance Well, Angel's hip problem turned out to not be her hip. The vet felt a big, swollen bump near her bottom and tail. He took a syringe and drained out a bunch of white colored stuff. He looked at it under the microscope and thinks it is cancer cells. He says she is in a lot of pain and this would take some doing, including a specialist, to have anything done about it. He says even if he drains all the stuff out, it will probably come back. She has nerve damage and may never be able to walk again. I don't really care about the money or how much it costs...I am just worried about stressing her out by putting her thru a bunch of things. She looks up at me with tears in her eyes and meows like she is in pain. She is only 5 months old and I have only had her for about 6 or 7 weeks. I am just heartbroken. She is too young to be going thru this. Please keep us in your thought and prayers. Thanks, Karen
Re: Off Topic - wills and trusts
I'm also VERY confident that Vermont will be the first state in the USA to ban Ear Cropping on dogs. This is a HUGE measure, because once we get Ear Crops banned, it's only a matter of time until we get DECLAWING on CATS banned! We're pounding away at our animal cruelty laws every session, trying to improve the lives of Vermont's animals. Sorry, just had to brag, I LOVE where I live and the people here! If it CAN be done, then Vermont will always be one of the first in line getting it done in our legislature. We weren't able to get it pastHouse last session, but you can be sure we'll be right back at it this coming session, after the fall elections. It's already passed in the Senate, a HUGE step! (we're also in deep discussion and making real progress on auniversal health care plan for ALL citizens of Vermont, which means there will be NO uninsured people in Vermont, regardless of income) http://www.leg.state.vt.us/docs/legdoc.cfm?URL=""> http://www.leg.state.vt.us/database/status/summary.cfm?Bill=S%2E0250Session=2006 Bill: S.0250 Title: CROPPING A DOG'S EARS FOR NONTHERAPEUTIC PURPOSES Currently: In the House Sponsor(s): Cummings, Ann Request No: 06-0303 Drafter: Childs Comments: Senate Status: Current Status: PASSED Status Date: 02/08/2006 Date Action Jrn. Page 1st Reading: 01/03/2006 19 2st Reading: 02/07/2006 AMEND 170 3st Reading: 02/08/2006 PASSED 207 Senate Committee Reports: Committee In Date Out Date Report Cal. Action Jrn. JrnDate S Judiciary 01/03/2006 02/01/2006 F/W/A 125 Agreed to 170 02/07/2006 Senate Amendments (Individual): Member Date Cal. Action Jrn. JrnDate Wilton, Wendy L./Bartlett 02/08/2006 251 Disagreed to 207 02/08/2006 Senate Roll Call Votes: Date Question Ayes Nays P/F Jrn JrnDate 02/07/2006 Shall the bill be ordered to lie as moved by Senator Mullin? 6 20 P 172 02/07/2006 Details 02/07/2006 Shall the bill be read the third time? 21 5 P 172 02/07/2006 Details 02/08/2006 Shall the bill be amended as moved by Senators Wilton and Bartlett? 10 14 P 207 02/08/2006 Details It makes me SO proud to live in a place like this! Vermont is wonderful, you actually PARTICIPATE in the government here. We have town meetings (instead of polling booths and paper slips, we actually sit in a big room and discuss every law we pass or fail, with questions and answers, as a community), our selectboard is public, and open for discussion every Thursday night, and individuals can go in front of our state legislature and speak on issues. The staterepresentatives and senators live right down the road, and we're all on first name basis. It's really a great state, I wish I would have grown up here, and not have discovered it as late as I did. OK, off my soapbox... just couldn't resist posting about it. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006
Re: OT: Need feedback please
Dear Belinda: I personally do not think your letter was rude in anyway! You were sharing information that you knew. This individual obviously has some issues! I would encourage you to continue educating those individuals that are trying to help rehome cats that are inexperience at it. If these individuals truly love cats and want to help them, they will welcome the information that you will provide. You go girl!! Precious Pets, Almost Home Association --- Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Every once in a while I get people who post to the Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP and put free for the fee, it clearly say's at the TOP of the page this is not allowed, so I send them a drafted letter which I'm copying below with the reply I got from the person I sent it to. Please tell me if my letter is rude because that obviously isn't my intention and I don't want to scare anyone away BUT I do want them to realize how dangerous it is to post a pet for FREE. My letter follow below: Hi Kathy, Belinda here, I admin the ads, and there are no Free To Good Home ads allowed, none is the same as FREE. This is very dangerous for the cat, there are all kinds of lunatics out there. I don't think you want Tiger to end up being ripped to shreds by a Pit Bull in training to fight, or to spend his last few minutes on earth petrified while a snake squeezes the life out of him and devours him. Or maybe a sick, demented person who scours ads daily looking for an animal to torture and beat until they tire of them and finally put them out of their misery by killing them. Then there's the buncher who looks for free or cheap pets to take to labs where they are experimented on and then killed when they have served their purpose, these bunchers get anywhere from $30 to $100 dollars a pet from these labs. Giving an animal away FREE is very dangerous for that animal and I personally would rather euthanise a pet than take a chance that they could end up in some horrible situation like those I described. I get emails every single day about some poor pet that has endured horrible things until they finally died or were killed. I have even been told by some of my rescues how a whole family will come to look at an adoptee making them appear quite normal, only to find out later the pet was tortured again and again until it finally died or was killed. Please, please be very, very careful who you hand Tiger over to, he is depending on you to make sure he is safe when he goes to his new home!! Thank you. I'm not saying this to be mean, believe me I know these kinds of things happen a hundred times a day to innocent animals. I've changed your ad to negotiable. Please read these links for more info about how dangerous this is for the cat: http://www.theanimalspirit.com/adopt.html http://www.petrescue.com/library/free-pet.htm http://www.parrett.net/animalaid/free.html I belong to a group of people who are all owned by FeLV+/FIV, most if not all have other cats who are negative. Some let their cats mix some don't, it's a personal preference thing. I personally had 6 cats, my Bailey was my FeLV positive, he was + at 5 months of age. I just lost him last month to anemia at 11 years of age, he wasn't sick for all of those years. I just lost him in May after a 5 month illness to what turned out to be cancer. He lived, ate, slept, played with, groomed and on occasion had spats with all his vaccinated, negative housemates for all those years and nobody ever got it from him. It is almost impossible for a healthy, adult cat to get it from a positive and if they ever did the healthy adult cats immune system would fight it off. The bottom line is it isn't as contagious as most vets would have you believe. AND FIV is even less contagious and harder to give to another cat as it takes a deep bite wound to for it to be even possible to transmit it from one cat to another. If your interested in checking the group out you can do that here: http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Please feel free to contact me anytime. 253 891-1197 Here's someone named Davids reply, just got it: oh wow that was rude. did you think it was absolutely needed to go on for 3 paragraphs about what COULD happen to him. i think you are the demented one! these people will get there hands on animals no matter what i say in my ad or what i don't say. but thanks for the help, i guess. i have decided to keep him so take it off all way, creep! I'm afraid my reply was rude, I just am tired of people not reading or following directions and then yelling at me for it when I point it out, I lost it this time :( I'm really tired of people like you who are *too lazy to read or if you
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I'd brag too! Sounds heavenly. Can you recommend any sites for job and house searching? We feel very out of sync with our area - very little compassion for animal rights and only the privileged two leggers! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also VERY confident that Vermont will be the first state in the USA to ban Ear Cropping on dogs. This is a HUGE measure, because once we get Ear Crops banned, it's only a matter of time until we get DECLAWING on CATS banned! We're pounding away at our animal cruelty laws every session, trying to improve the lives of Vermont's animals. Sorry, just had to brag, I LOVE where I live and the people here! If it CAN be done, then Vermont will always be one of the first in line getting it done in our legislature. We weren't able to get it pastHouse last session, but you can be sure we'll be right back at it this coming session, after the fall elections. It's already passed in the Senate, a HUGE step! (we're also in deep discussion and making real progress on auniversal health care plan for ALL citizens of Vermont, which means there will be NO uninsured people in Vermont, regardless of income) http://www.leg.state.vt.us/docs/legdoc.cfm?URL=""> http://www.leg.state.vt.us/database/status/summary.cfm?Bill=S%2E0250Session=2006 Bill: S.0250 Title: CROPPING A DOG'S EARS FOR NONTHERAPEUTIC PURPOSES Currently: In the House Sponsor(s): Cummings, Ann Request No: 06-0303 Drafter: Childs Comments: Senate Status: Current Status: PASSED Status Date: 02/08/2006 Date Action Jrn. Page 1st Reading: 01/03/2006 19 2st Reading: 02/07/2006 AMEND 170 3st Reading: 02/08/2006 PASSED 207 Senate Committee Reports: Committee In Date Out Date Report Cal. Action Jrn. JrnDate S Judiciary 01/03/2006 02/01/2006 F/W/A 125 Agreed to 170 02/07/2006 Senate Amendments (Individual): Member Date Cal. Action Jrn. JrnDate Wilton, Wendy L./Bartlett 02/08/2006 251 Disagreed to 207 02/08/2006 Senate Roll Call Votes: Date Question Ayes Nays P/F Jrn JrnDate 02/07/2006 Shall the bill be ordered to lie as moved by Senator Mullin? 6 20 P 172 02/07/2006 Details 02/07/2006 Shall the bill be read the third time? 21 5 P 172 02/07/2006 Details 02/08/2006 Shall the bill be amended as moved by Senators Wilton and Bartlett? 10 14 P 207 02/08/2006 Details It makes me SO proud to live in a place like this! Vermont is wonderful, you actually PARTICIPATE in the government here. We have town meetings (instead of polling booths and paper slips, we actually sit in a big room and discuss every law we pass or fail, with questions and answers, as a community), our selectboard is public, and open for discussion every Thursday night, and individuals can go in front of our state legislature and speak on issues. The staterepresentatives and senators live right down the road, and we're all on first name basis. It's really a great state, I wish I would have grown up here, and not have discovered it as late as I did. OK, off my soapbox... just couldn't resist posting about it. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources:
Re: Head shake symptom - Spencer - 2 different abx at same time
the false-positive rate for the snap test for FIV is much higher than 20%--closer to 40 at a conservative rate. no sanctuary or group that works with FIVs will consider a cat positive without a western blot test. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Off Topic - wills and trusts
Oh yeah, you BET I can! LOL! Try: http://www.vermontjoblink.com/ (the official state run website of the labor dept of job openings) http://jobs.careerbuilder.com/al.ic/Vermont/ (a national job site, the VT category) http://jobsearch.monster.com/jobsearch.asp?q=cn=lid=529fn=sort=rvvw=bcy=USre=14(the other big one's VT listings, northern VT, you'll have to do a separate search for southern VT) http://www.jobsinvt.com/home/home.aspx (a private jobs site) http://www.northernvtrealestate.com/village.htm(a local real estate company) http://www.northernvtrealestate.com/village2.htm(the 2nd one on this page is my neighbor, 2 housesup from me) http://www.sanvillerealty.com/(another local one) These all are close to me too: http://www.joesbrook.com/ http://www.langrealestate.com/ http://www.farmandforest.com/ http://www.pattyemery.com/ http://www.maryscott.com/ http://www.reynoldsre.com/ http://www.allseasonsre.com/ http://www.lisameyer.net/ Classifieds Homes for Sale: http://burlingtonfreepress.gon.gannettonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=HOMESpub=burlingtonfreepress For Sale BY Owner: http://www.picketfence-vt-fsbo.com/sel.asp Rentals: http://www.apartments.com/partner/Area.aspx?page=regionstate=vtpartner=freepreshelicon=0rgn1=157 Our papers: http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com http://www.timesargus.com http://www.caledonianrecord.com http://www.bartonchronicle.com http://www.newsandcitizen.com My local Chamber of Commerce: http://www.hardwickvtarea.com Our High School: http://www.hazenunion.org (very good arts and music programs) What it looks like here: (these were taken all around in my immediate area, either right in town, or just outside it) http://ucat.us/OurRescuePics/JudevineFalls.jpg(just outside of town, I live in Hardwick) http://ucat.us/OurRescuePics/HardwickHillside.jpg(in town) http://ucat.us/OurRescuePics/LamoilleRiver1.jpg(in town, the river goes right through downtown) http://ucat.us/OurRescuePics/LamoilleRiver2.jpg(in town) Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006
Re: Head shake symptom - Spencer - 2 different abx at same time
No, actually, I have never heard of them. I was talking about The Fund for Dogs and Cats in Pepperell. I will tell them about NOAH though. Thanks. Michelle In a message dated 8/29/2006 10:51:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You're talking about NOAH, right? I've worked with Linda from NOAH in person here in Vermont before (last summer's big bengal/aby raid), and I list her FELV and FIV cats on my website as well.[EMAIL PROTECTED] is Linda's addy. She's also taken my purebred rescues in the past, as she has good luck with purebreds in her area. I HIGHLY recommend NOAH for people in MA.
Re: Bad news about Spencer
That was so sweet of you to count the breaths, did you do that for me? It does put my mind at ease a bit, thank you. He's not wheezing, but his purr is off, sort of raspy. I do my absolute best to not worry, worry doesn't solve anything it just causes stress, so much easier said than done though. I will feel a whole lot better when he starts eating normally again. I gave him his first dose of VO at 8pm. Cross your fingers, or say a prayer, (don't do both it pisses God off). Thanks again Phaewryn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two of my cats were around 50 as well (when I counted them all last night). I don't think it's THAT abnormal, as these guys are very healthy negative cats. I'd be more concerned with difficulty breathing, if he is wheezing, or laboring at it in any way. I don't think the speed alone is that much of a concern. Phaewryn
Re: Head shake symptom - Spencer - 2 different abx at same time
There is no need for you to stick up for Linda. I understand completely why it isn't possible for any shelter or sanctuary to go to the lengths that most of us private guardians and small rescues do. Anyone that gives these guys a chance at life is okay in my book. Giving them the opportunity to enjoy safety and love while they are asymptomatic, helping to ease their suffering while they are ill and giving them a peaceful, pain free transition is more than some vets would recommend. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a side note, Linda worked VERY hard to save a Persian she took on from me over a year ago (Seagull), and they didn't give up on him easily, but his heart was just too far gone from Cardiomyopathy. You have to understand, for a shelter, even giving a cat a WEEK of forcefeeding is VERY generous and modern. Most shelters don't ever bother with force feeding at all. Sorry, but Linda is a friend, and I have to stick up for what she does... Phaewryn
Re: OT:Need feedback please/Terrie's Computer crash!
Belinda, You were not rude! I would have said the same thing as you. Yes, you did the right thing I certainly agree with Sherry. P.S. I wanted to let you all know I haven't been able to respond due to my computer crashing. I lost my Favorites which contained all my animal medical sites so will have to start all over again. Thank god I still have my photos, documents, and folder/files. Will be making another back-up again. So I'm off to Circuit City to look at another computer since this one I'm using is slow and it's old. Husband said it's time for a new one since this is a 2001 model and very well used for my business and rescue. I hope all is well and pray for the ones that are ill. All furbabies and you guys are in my thoughts and prayers! TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker In a message dated 8/29/2006 5:01:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Belinda I don't think that you were rude at all.Maybe they just don't like to be told the facts!! You did the right thing. Sherry Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Every once in a while I get people who post to the Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP and put free for the fee, it clearly say's at the TOP of the page this is not allowed, so I send them a drafted letter which I'm copying below with the reply I got from the person I sent it to. Please tell me if my letter is rude because that obviously isn't my intention and I don't want to scare anyone away BUT I do want them to realize how dangerous it is to post a pet for FREE. My letter follow below: Hi Kathy, Belinda here, I admin the ads, and there are no "Free To Good Home" ads allowed, none is the same as FREE. This is very dangerous for the cat, there are all kinds of lunatics out there. I don't think you want Tiger to end up being ripped to shreds by a Pit Bull in training to fight, or to spend his last few minutes on earth petrified while a snake squeezes the life out of him and devours him. Or maybe a sick, demented person who scours ads daily looking for an animal to torture and beat until they tire of them and finally put them out of their misery by killing them. Then there's the buncher who looks for free or cheap pets to take to labs where they are experimented on and then killed when they have served their purpose, these bunchers get anywhere from $30 to $100 dollars a pet from these labs. Giving an animal away FREE is very dangerous for that animal and I personally would rather euthanise a pet than take a chance that they could end up in some horrible situation like those I described. I get emails every single day about some poor pet that has endured horrible things until they finally died or were killed. I have even been told by some of my rescues how a whole family will come to look at an adoptee making them appear quite normal, only to find out later the pet was tortured again and again until it finally died or was killed. Please, please be very, very careful who you hand Tiger over to, he is depending on you to make sure he is safe when he goes to his new home!! Thank you. I'm not saying this to be mean, believe me I know these kinds of things happen a hundred times a day to innocent animals. I've changed your ad to negotiable. Please read these links for more info about how dangerous this is for the cat: http://www.theanimalspirit.com/adopt.html http://www.petrescue.com/library/free-pet.htm http://www.parrett.net/animalaid/free.html I belong to a group of people who are all owned by FeLV+/FIV, most if not all have other cats who are negative. Some let their cats mix some don't, it's a personal preference thing. I personally had 6 cats, my Bailey was my FeLV positive, he was + at 5 months of age. I just lost him last month to anemia at 11 years of age, he wasn't sick for all of those years. I just lost him in May after a 5 month illness to what turned out to be cancer. He lived, ate, slept, played with, groomed and on occasion had spats with all his vaccinated, negative housemates for all those years and nobody ever got it from him. It is almost impossible for a healthy, adult cat to get it from a positive and if they ever did the healthy adult cats immune system would fight it off. The bottom line is it isn't as contagious as most vets would have you believe. AND FIV is even less contagious and harder to give to another cat as it takes a deep bite wound to for it to be even possible to transmit it from one cat to another. If your interested in checking the group out you can do that here: http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Please feel free to contact me anytime. 253 891-1197 Here's someone named Davids reply, just got it: oh wow that was rude. did you think it was absolutely needed to go on for 3 paragraphs about what COULD happen to him. i think you are the demented one! these people will get there hands on animals no matter what i say in my ad or what i don't say. but thanks for
Re: Head shake symptom - Spencer - 2 different abx at same time
Jimmy's story is very sad. I'm so sorry that happened to the two of you. We just can't allow ourselves to second guess what is in the past. We can't know what would have happened if we took a different course than we did. How can you possibly know what the outcome might have been? You did what you thought was best for him, perhaps if the shelter knew how committed you were to his care and life they might have handled things differently. We don't know if their decision wasn't what was best for Jimmy overall. Perhaps he would have suffered if his life was extended further. I believe everything happens for a reason. Jimmy had a huge effect on your life. His death, however timely, or untimely helped to shape who you are today and the decisions you now make. I'd say he was a very valuable teacher to you, and now to us as well. Bless you little Jimmy and thank you. Thank you again for sharing his story. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote that the Elisa FIV test is wrong 80% of the time, but meant 20%. I seem to have transposed the percentages. I have learned a lot from the mistakes I made with positives early on, but most of my mistakes resulted in death (the foster I wrote about, and heavy stress from confinement causing lymphoma in two of mine, I think). I know that happens frequently, but it is very hard to live with. The shelter that my cats came from is a small volunteer shelter with about 150 cats. They are the only ones in MA that take positives, to my knowledge. They never euthanize due to FeLV or FIV status. But they don't do a lot of diagnostic testing or care for problems either. When there is a problem and a cat stops eating, they normally give fluids and antibiotics and force-feed for a week, and if the cat does not start eating again at the end of the week they euthanize. It horrifies me, and at the same time I know they are better about the positives than most shelters. If I had really understood the whole thing I never would have brought Jimmy back to them when he stopped eating. But I did not know what to do at the time, and did not know their policy, and had had the cats less than a month and was leaving for a few days to visit a relative so thought he would be in better care there. I usually tell people that I took 6 positives from the shelter, but in reality I took 7 if you count Jimmy. I just usually find it too painful to count him. Michelle
Re: Off Topic - wills and trusts
That's wonderful that you live in a place you can be proud of. I wish I were so lucky. It's pretty Hellish in my neighborhood. The people that rented next door had a Pit Bull that they kept tied in the back yard night and day. The highlight of his day was when I would toss him milk bones, flip chips and chicken jerky over the fence. Poor guy, I did my best to educate and illuminate, but my head is bloody from banging it against the brick wall that is my neighborhood's attitude toward animals. These people moved out over the weekend, taking the dog with them. I feel terrible that he won't even have my small kindnesses anymore, but relieved that they are gone. My relief was short lived. This afternoon I noticed a Pit Bull puppy in the yard. Just a baby, left in the yard all by himself. I hope it was the owner of the house who left him there for the day and not a new resident. Sometimes life gets very discouraging. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also VERY confident that Vermont will be the first state in the USA to ban Ear Cropping on dogs. This is a HUGE measure, because once we get Ear Crops banned, it's only a matter of time until we get DECLAWING on CATS banned! We're pounding away at our animal cruelty laws every session, trying to improve the lives of Vermont's animals. Sorry, just had to brag, I LOVE where I live and the people here! If it CAN be done, then Vermont will always be one of the first in line getting it done in our legislature. We weren't able to get it past House last session, but you can be sure we'll be right back at it this coming session, after the fall elections. It's already passed in the Senate, a HUGE step! (we're also in deep discussion and making real progress on a universal health care plan for ALL citizens of Vermont, which means there will be NO uninsured people in Vermont, regardless of income)
