Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
Oh, I see how that works... but don't you get really nasty flat patties when it gets really low on litter? Maybe my cats pee more volume (each cat, at one time)than yours do. Unfortunately, no, I don't have a garage or anywhere Zack can be put for the winter. I live in a three room apartment, and there's just no way to separate in a place this small, plus, if he's around other cats he sprays really bad. He doesn't spray unless there's other cats' scents he has to mark over. I keep hoping someone will come through for him, but it'slooking really bleak.I can't even cage him inside, as he fights with all the cats through the cage bars so bad that it would keep us awake all night. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
When I scoop I add more litter to bring it back up to a certain level. So I'm continually adding fresh litter throughout the week before dumping completely on the weekend.Keep listing Zack. Do you have a craigslist.org metro area near you? List in their pets section too. You need to list every couple of days if your craigslist is active (keep the listing on the first page or second), list in the local paper, list in all the onlinee groups. Is he listed at Bemi Kitties? Also, we are near the end of kitten season so rscues should have more space soon.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I see how that works... but don't you get really nasty flat patties when it gets really low on litter? Maybe my cats pee more volume (each cat, at one time)than yours do. Unfortunately, no, I don't have a garage or anywhere Zack can be put for the winter. I live in a three room apartment, and there's just no way to separate in a place this small, plus, if he's around other cats he sprays really bad. He doesn't spray unless there's other cats' scents he has to mark over. I keep hoping someone will come through for him, but it'slooking really bleak.I can't even cage him inside, as he fights with all the cats through the cage bars so bad that it would keep us awake all night. PhaewrynPlease adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need!No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: To Marissa Re: Question #9: Flea Treatments
Do you have dogs? If you have dogs you'll have to always treat your cats. Dogs bring them in...tMarissa Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi! Thanks. No, Slinky doesn't go outdoors (unless you count going out in the carrier to the car! lol). He's strictly indoors. I guess I just wondered because I've had to treat him twice - once with Revolution and once with Advantage. Didn't know if the fleas would just keep coming back or what. I haven't seen any fleas or flea dirt with the comb lately either (I think what I"m using is a flea comb), and he seems to be itching less. So hopefully that means it's been taken care of. I'd rather not treat him with any chemicals if I don't need to...but I also don't want him to keep getting fleas! I'm taking him to the vet this weekend (more vaccinations), so I'll double check then, but hopefully he's flea-free now.Thanks for the info!!!MGina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Wendy,That's what I'm thinking too. My cats are strictly indoors. Tigger, Taylor and Bob were flea-free until Pippin joined our household. I've got them on Advantage until I get the fleas under control, then I will take them off of it. Seems things are going in the right direction since I've not gotten any flea dirt or fleas off of them when I used the flea comb.Ginawendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marissa,Does Slinky kitty go outside at all? If not, he mightnot need flea treatments once he's flea free. :)Wendy--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really am disappointed with the frontline plus topspot. The Frontline SPRAY is much better, IMO (though if they groom themselves, they foam at the mouth something terrible for the first few days after applying it!). Advantage works well too, I think, I've had better success with it than with the Frontline topspots. I prefer flea baths over harsh chemical sprays, personally. Zodiac makes a really effective flea shampoo, if you follow the directions carefully, it has to soak on the cat for 5 minutes, and you should go as high up on the head as possible, and between every toe. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program: http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more! It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! Novirus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006 __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Please visitmy Tigger Tales site!At the bottom of the home and links pages aremy merchant affiliate banners. If anyone uses my links to make a purchase, I will receive a percentage of all final sales.I am going to donate100% ofthe proceeds to animal welfare organizations.This is a great way to shop your favorite online pet stores and give something to a worthy cause. Thank you in advance! Do you Yahoo!?Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
RE: Question about different FeLV tests
Maybe she's just new or trying to be funny??? I certainly would NOT worry about the rabies vaccination. tGina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hideyo and All,I just called my vet and the receptionist did not know what an IFA test was.I also have to postpone Pippin's rabies vaccine until I get back from vacation in two weeks. I assured her that my cats all my cats are strictly indoor cats. Her response was, "Well there's always the chance that a bat could fly into the house."Should I be laughing or finding a new vet office?GinaHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Western Blot is for FIV, and you want to use IFA test for Felk to determine whether the virus is present at bone marrow level. I mentioned that I did not like antech as their lab results have not been reliable more than a few times. And I prefer IDEXX personally.. but they may send out to another lab for IFA test as not all the lab run IFA test.. lab at Cornell is very very througough, but I think they also send out IFA to someone elsecall Margie at 1-607-253-3900 at Cornell to get a form if you want your vet to send a sample there to find out if they run IFA test there I highly recommend From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gina WNSent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:13 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Question about different FeLV tests It's getting closer to the time for Pippin to have her second FeLV test. I want to make sure I understand which test to ask for. Is the IFA test the same as the Western Blot?If not, which test should I ask for? Secondly, is there a specific lab that I should ask for the test to be sent to in California? I recall reading something on this list about a certain lab that was not reliable--is that correct?Thanks!Gina Please visitmy Tigger Tales site!At the bottom of the home and links pages aremy merchant affiliate banners. If anyone uses my links to make a purchase, I will receive a percentage of all final sales.I am going to donate100% ofthe proceeds to animal welfare organizations.This is a great way to shop your favorite online pet stores and give something to a worthy cause. Thank you in advance! Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com Please visitmy Tigger Tales site!At the bottom of the home and links pages aremy merchant affiliate banners. If anyone uses my links to make a purchase, I will receive a percentage of all final sales.I am going to donate100% ofthe proceeds to animal welfare organizations.This is a great way to shop your favorite online pet stores and give something to a worthy cause. Thank you in advance! How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.
OT - Zack
Phaewryn, I feel for you with your dilemma with Zack. I have a traumatized kitty, I may have mentioned her, (Matilda), the thought of euthanasia has crossed my mind with her too. If it truly comes to that with Zack, couldn't you cage him and cover his cage at night? The fence fighting might go on for a few nights, even covered, but I can't imagine that it would go on forever. If you think of it as saving his life, it might be worth the upheaval and it might just help him see that it's possible that not everyone is out to get him. After all, we all know you can be sick in mind as well as body. I know you'd cage him if he were sick in body. It would also allow your outside ferals to get to their food and shelter. If the worst happens, (knowing you, I don't think it will), he'll already be contained and bringing him to the vet will be less traumatic for all concerned. What ever happened with that favorite feral you had relocated to your house? The one that went missing. Did he/she ever show back up? I know how upsetting it is to only be able to do so much for them and always wonder what happened :( [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, no, I don't have a garage or anywhere Zack can be put for the winter. I live in a three room apartment, and there's just no way to separate in a place this small, plus, if he's around other cats he sprays really bad. He doesn't spray unless there's other cats' scents he has to mark over. I keep hoping someone will come through for him, but it's looking really bleak. I can't even cage him inside, as he fights with all the cats through the cage bars so bad that it would keep us awake all night. Phaewryn
Re: OT - Zack
Something else to consider, which I have done on rare ocassion with good results, is psychiatric medication. One of my own cats iss on Prozac due to brain abnormalities most likely the result of her mother being starved during pregnancy. I'll skip the long story but my vet put Peepers on prozac about 18 months ago. She was so hyper-defensive and aggressive that I did consider having her euthanized. The prozac was a last resort and for Peepers has literally saved her life. Peepers is on it for life but twice we have had foster cats who were horroble/dangerous with other cats and put them on it temporarily out of desperation while they acclimated to a multi-cat environment and until other arrangements could be made. It helped a great deal. Talk to your vet about something along these lines. (Someone I know gets Elavil in a salve that can be rubbed inside a cat's ear. Another possibility)Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phaewryn,I feel for you with your dilemma with Zack. I have a traumatized kitty, I may have mentioned her, (Matilda), the thought of euthanasia has crossed my mind with her too. If it truly comes to that with Zack, couldn't you cage him and cover his cage at night? The "fence fighting" might go on for a few nights, even covered, but I can't imagine that it would go on forever. If you think of it as saving his life, it might be worth the upheaval and it might just help him see that it's possible that not everyone is out to get him. After all, we all know you can be sick in mind as well as body. I know you'd cage him if he were sick in body. It would also allow your outside ferals to get to their food and shelter. If the worst happens, (knowing you, I don't think it will), he'll already be contained and bringing him to the vet will be less traumatic for all concerned.What ever happened with that "favorite" feral you had relocated to your house? The one that went missing. Did he/she ever show back up? I know how upsetting it is to only be able to do so much for them and always wonder what happened :([EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, no, I don't have a garage or anywhere Zack can be put for the winter. I live in a three room apartment, and there's just no way to separate in a place this small, plus, if he's around other cats he sprays really bad. He doesn't spray unless there's other cats' scents he has to mark over. I keep hoping someone will come through for him, but it's looking really bleak. I can't even cage him inside, as he fights with all the cats through the cage bars so bad that it would keep us awake all night. Phaewryn
Re: OT - Zack
Something else to consider, which I have done on rare ocassion with good results, is psychiatric medication. One of my own cats iss on Prozac due to brain abnormalities most likely the result of her mother being starved during pregnancy. I'll skip the long story but my vet put Peepers on prozac about 18 months ago. She was so hyper-defensive and aggressive that I did consider having her euthanized. The prozac was a last resort and for Peepers has literally saved her life. Peepers is on it for life but twice we have had foster cats who were horroble/dangerous with other cats and put them on it temporarily out of desperation while they acclimated to a multi-cat environment and until other arrangements could be made. It helped a great deal. Talk to your vet about something along these lines. (Someone I know gets Elavil in a salve that can be rubbed inside a cat's ear. Another possibility)Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phaewryn,I feel for you with your dilemma with Zack. I have a traumatized kitty, I may have mentioned her, (Matilda), the thought of euthanasia has crossed my mind with her too. If it truly comes to that with Zack, couldn't you cage him and cover his cage at night? The "fence fighting" might go on for a few nights, even covered, but I can't imagine that it would go on forever. If you think of it as saving his life, it might be worth the upheaval and it might just help him see that it's possible that not everyone is out to get him. After all, we all know you can be sick in mind as well as body. I know you'd cage him if he were sick in body. It would also allow your outside ferals to get to their food and shelter. If the worst happens, (knowing you, I don't think it will), he'll already be contained and bringing him to the vet will be less traumatic for all concerned.What ever happened with that "favorite" feral you had relocated to your house? The one that went missing. Did he/she ever show back up? I know how upsetting it is to only be able to do so much for them and always wonder what happened :([EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, no, I don't have a garage or anywhere Zack can be put for the winter. I live in a three room apartment, and there's just no way to separate in a place this small, plus, if he's around other cats he sprays really bad. He doesn't spray unless there's other cats' scents he has to mark over. I keep hoping someone will come through for him, but it's looking really bleak. I can't even cage him inside, as he fights with all the cats through the cage bars so bad that it would keep us awake all night. Phaewryn
Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 20, Issue 6
Hi, I'm new to the group - fostering a negative kitten that was with a positive kitten. She's isolated because of a URI and ONLY because of the URI. She will get her kitten shots as soon as she's done with her antibiotics. I just had to respond to the comment about a bat flying down the chimney/rabies vaccinations. First of all, bats would have to navigate through the flue and in some cases, the external pipes are covered with mesh. Then it would have to get through the dampers which should be kept closed unless the fireplace is actually being used. Then it would have to fly through your house and attach itself to something. Since bats invariably seek heights, it wouldn't be a ground level cat. Next. Rabies vaccinations for indoor cats. I, personally, don't give my cats rabies vaccines. If they get ONE in their lifetimes, it's a big deal. Ferals that come insidedo get an initial vaccine. Vets won't/don't tell you that annual or every three year vaccines become redundant and thesingle best way to seeif your animal still has protection is to do a titer. Please go to www.catshots.com and learn about vaccination and overvaccination.Some of my vets refuse to do dentals on myunvaccinated cats so I have found other vets who will. I have acouple of cats that have never had any vaccines other than some kitten protection. Therewas a study that may be on the aforementioned site that said that if a cat has had 2 or 3 rabies vaccinations, it is vaccinated for life. I don't believe in FIV or FeLv vaccines either - FeLv vaccine has been problematic for injection site sarcoma. A veterinarian friend of mine had an FIV cat (as well as an FeLv) cat live with negative cats for years without passing either virus. I'm more afraid of panleukopenia and FIP than FeLv or FIV. Roena Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!
re: my baby crackers
i looked at my acts food the first 2 things are corn and corn gluten...any suggestions for a better food..he also eats whiskers wet packets...i am waiting for this vet to call me he said he would...i am a wreck and i am going to find a new vet..hopefully there is one around..the vet did the test that checks for FIV/feline luekemia...at the last min a tiny blue dot appearred very faint...he got his book and said it was luekemia...i was so excited that he said looks like its gonna be neg..to a total SHOCK...he said i can send out the other test and i said YES!! he said i will personally call u the results should be in sun but with the holiday...blah blah blahi am waiting and praying..also i noticed on the elisa test that the blood was splattered all messy on it...he said that the confirmation blue came up and that the test was done right...i am new to this board thanks to belinda she hooked me up...i never knew of so many diseases cats could have and i appreciate how much valuable info i have received so far THANK YOU
RE: my baby crackers
Its tough to find a vet who has a realistic attitude about FELV. My first vet, who was wonderful, was upfront with me when my Tucson tested pos. He told me that he had very little experience with FELV. I found a second vet who coincidentally is the vet for a local rescuer who takes in FELV cats and hes been great. Never batted an eyelash when I talked to him about mixing; never treated Tucson any differently. She has a tendency to develop low white blood count he gives her immuno-regulin when that happens. Outside or that, we do nothing special. I changed all their foodthey were all indoor cats a couple of them, including Tucson, got to be real porkos! I give them Wellness wet food and eliminated most of the dry food. There are different foods out there and I know people will give you ideas. Since switching, one of my cats has lost weight and Tucson, well shes lost a bit but its tough with the feline vacumn cleaner! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 12:05 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: re: my baby crackers i looked at my acts food the first 2 things are corn and corn gluten...any suggestions for a better food..he also eats whiskers wet packets...i am waiting for this vet to call me he said he would...i am a wreck and i am going to find a new vet..hopefully there is one around..the vet did the test that checks for FIV/feline luekemia...at the last min a tiny blue dot appearred very faint...he got his book and said it was luekemia...i was so excited that he said looks like its gonna be neg..to a total SHOCK...he said i can send out the other test and i said YES!! he said i will personally call u the results should be in sun but with the holiday...blah blah blahi am waiting and praying..also i noticed on the elisa test that the blood was splattered all messy on it...he said that the confirmation blue came up and that the test was done right...i am new to this board thanks to belinda she hooked me up...i never knew of so many diseases cats could have and i appreciate how much valuable info i have received so far THANK YOU
Re: OT - Zack
Hi Susan, I've started to seriously consider pharmaceutical help for my psycho kitty Matilda. (A good start would be for me to stop calling her psycho kitty :) ). It will be a last resort and I have to do some research on it. Someone else mentioned Clomacalm (sp?). Have you ever heard of it? I detest the idea of having an animal that has to be segregated for the rest of their life, just a little more than the thought of keeping someone sedated. I keep telling myself, never say never. Patience, patience, patience! Nina Susan Hoffman wrote: Something else to consider, which I have done on rare ocassion with good results, is psychiatric medication. One of my own cats iss on Prozac due to brain abnormalities most likely the result of her mother being starved during pregnancy. I'll skip the long story but my vet put Peepers on prozac about 18 months ago. She was so hyper-defensive and aggressive that I did consider having her euthanized. The prozac was a last resort and for Peepers has literally saved her life. Peepers is on it for life but twice we have had foster cats who were horroble/dangerous with other cats and put them on it temporarily out of desperation while they acclimated to a multi-cat environment and until other arrangements could be made. It helped a great deal. Talk to your vet about something along these lines. (Someone I know gets Elavil in a salve that can be rubbed inside a cat's ear. Another possibility)
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
Just so you know, I have also made the turkey mush from Nina's recipe for my Lucy, but instead of cooking a whole turkey and taking it apart I buy the ground Steltons free-range frozen turkey from the health food store, which comes in 1 pound tubes, and use that instead. For the organs I buy a 2 pound frozen tube of Omah's ground turkey organs, made for cats and dogs, which a dog training school nearby sells (I found it from Omah's web page) and just use about 1/8 of a cup of it at a time. I think it is much much easier to make the turkey mush this way than buying, cooking, and dismantling a whole turkey. I also just can not get myself to do that, being a vegan. Michelle
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
Thanks for the tip Michelle. I've tried frozen ground turkey for Gypsy in the past, but you know what a picky diva she can be. I'm going to check out the Omah's ground turkey organs though. They would really come in handy when I can't find a whole turkey to cook when I can only find turkey breasts, (I've been cleaning out every grocery store for miles keeping her supplied with whole turkeys). Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just so you know, I have also made the turkey mush from Nina's recipe for my Lucy, but instead of cooking a whole turkey and taking it apart I buy the ground Steltons free-range frozen turkey from the health food store, which comes in 1 pound tubes, and use that instead. For the organs I buy a 2 pound frozen tube of Omah's ground turkey organs, made for cats and dogs, which a dog training school nearby sells (I found it from Omah's web page) and just use about 1/8 of a cup of it at a time. I think it is much much easier to make the turkey mush this way than buying, cooking, and dismantling a whole turkey. I also just can not get myself to do that, being a vegan. Michelle
Re: got Feline interferon!
Hideyo, I am sorry if I missed it, but did you ever say which distributor you got the FI from without FDA approval? I would really like to know. Thanks, Michelle In a message dated 8/18/2006 10:15:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, everyone, I got feline interferon from distributor in UK without a letter from FDA yesterday – I needed to get it for my Peter whom suspected to have FIP and that was the only treatment that has a chance of him surviving – anyway,, I couldn’t get it soon enough for my Peter but wanted to let you know.. there is a pretty good chance that you can get it without letter according to the distributor in UK I spoke to before I ordered it.. so in case you need to get them, and don’t have time to waste and willing to take a chance,, just remember that you probably can get them without a letter..and it will take less than a week to get it..
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
No local rescues will take FIV+ aggressive cats. The closest metro area is over 50 miles away, and I've heard really bad things about craig's list anyways (bunchers use it to scam free animals). I think he's on bemikitties, I'll have to check. I post him periodically to the FIVCATS2 list at yahoogroups, as well as Special_Needs_ Rescue_Cats. I've even asked Best Friends, but this cat can't be put in with any other cats, so he will never be accepted into any sanctuary (he could live the rest of his life in a cage somewhere, but I think euthanasia is kinder than that). I just have to keep hoping some kind DOG rescue will consider taking him in as an "office cat". That's the only thing I can think of that would possibly work for him. No vet will take him as an office cat, because of his FIV+ status. He's supposedly GREAT with dogs (at least big dogs)and kids, his old owner had both. I've got him posted up on the bulletin board at my vet's office too. Plus, my website, though I admit, I don't know how much traffic my adoption page really gets. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
I do the majority of my adoptions through the Bay Area craigslist. That's how I found most of my foster homes too. Screen well and request a nominal adoption fee. (Bunchers get about $5 per animal. Never list for free anywhere.) Craigslist is a great resource. The Bay Area one was the first and they get 1000s of hits in their pets section every day. Just use it wisely and with discernment.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No local rescues will take FIV+ aggressive cats. The closest metro area is over 50 miles away, and I've heard really bad things about craig's list anyways (bunchers use it to scam free animals). I think he's on bemikitties, I'll have to check. I post him periodically to the FIVCATS2 list at yahoogroups, as well as Special_Needs_ Rescue_Cats. I've even asked Best Friends, but this cat can't be put in with any other cats, so he will never be accepted into any sanctuary (he could live the rest of his life in a cage somewhere, but I think euthanasia is kinder than that). I just have to keep hoping some kind DOG rescue will consider taking him in as an "office cat". That's the only thing I can think of that would possibly work for him. No vet will take him as an office cat, because of his FIV+ status. He's supposedly GREAT with dogs (at least big dogs)and kids, his old owner had both. I've got him posted up on the bulletin board at my vet's office too. Plus, my website, though I admit, I don't know how much traffic my adoption page really gets. PhaewrynPlease adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need!No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT - Zack
For Peepers, Prozac is not a sedative. It effects serotonin levels in the brain. Her's are haywire anyway. I think of it like lithium given to someone who is bipolar, replacing something that should have been there to start with.Great book on psycho-kitties and their treatment: The Cat Who Cried for Help: Attitudes, Emotions, and the Psychology of Cats, by Nicholas Dodman (http://tinyurl.com/hj4lu)Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Susan,I've started to seriously consider pharmaceutical help for my psycho kitty Matilda. (A good start would be for me to stop calling her "psycho kitty" :) ). It will be a last resort and I have to do some research on it. Someone else mentioned Clomacalm (sp?). Have you ever heard of it? I detest the idea of having an animal that has to be segregated for the rest of their life, just a little more than the thought of keeping someone sedated. I keep telling myself, "never say never". Patience, patience, patience!NinaSusan Hoffman wrote: Something else to consider, which I have done on rare ocassion with good results, is psychiatric medication. One of my own cats iss on Prozac due to brain abnormalities most likely the result of her mother being starved during pregnancy. I'll skip the long story but my vet put Peepers on prozac about 18 months ago. She was so hyper-defensive and aggressive that I did consider having her euthanized. The prozac was a last resort and for Peepers has literally saved her life. Peepers is on it for life but twice we have had foster cats who were horroble/dangerous with other cats and put them on it temporarily out of desperation while they acclimated to a multi-cat environment and until other arrangements could be made. It helped a great deal. Talk to your vet about something along these lines. (Someone I know gets Elavil in a salve that can be rubbed inside a cat's ear. Another possibility)
Re: OT - Zack
Mackenziewas my favorite feral. I see him once a month or so, Zack scares them all away most of the time. I do know he's alive, but that's about all I know. Him and Spooky (the bw FIV+ male) seem to have buddied up, as they appear together when they come. Hopefully that brings them the safety of numbers, at least. Rusty is now my new favorite, but only because he's the only one determined enough to refuse to be run off by Zack, much to Zack's disappointment. They fight constantly, but he refuses to give up his space (the back yard). Zack owns the porch and the road, Rusty owns the backyard. It's still up to debate daily though. Right now, I do have the cage mostly covered, as I do HAVE to bring Zack inside for storms, as he freaks out when there's any thunder at all. My main issue is my dominant male housecat, Doobie. He harasses Zack, Zack harasses back. Even if I cover the entire cage with a blanket, and only leave a little front of it uncovered, they will fight through the bars. I've considered buying some Plexiglas, and making a custom cage cover to go over it, with small bore holes drilled throughout the glass for ventilation. That would at least stop the physical contact, BUT, it wouldn't stop the endless "G,RRR,YEOW,HAK,SKTPF,YOW,KERTCH,HA,SHHH,GR!" that is the constant result of Zack and Doobie being within earshot of each other. (I'm sure I couldn't afford the materials though, anyways) I also have no doors in the apartment, other than the one that closes off the bedroom from the livingroom or kitchen, and the one from the bedroom to the bathroom, so even if I put Doobie in the bedroom area, we can't get any sleep, as he will dig at the door for hours on end trying to dig his way into the room he's locked out of. All of this because someone lied to me about Zack to begin with, told me he was friendly. He was supposed to come here as his last chance, to join the feral colony. Instead, he harasses the feral colony so bad that they would rather starve to death than come here to eat (I can only assume that's the fate of the cats I have not seen in months). It is still, and always will be, my opinion that euthanasia is far kinder than any prolonged period in a cage. I will NOT cage Zack all winter, which would be more than half the year here (7-8 months of temperatures below freezing at night, and at least 3 months of temperatures below freezing day and night). He was a very much loved housecat, and even having him live outside is not nice to him, all of his life, he slept on the bed, and snuggled on the sofa, until he came here, were he was thrown out, and never gets more than a pat in passing. This life is just NOT fair to Zack, and as much as I hate to do it, I will euthanise him once it gets cold if no home is found. Zack deserves to be a loved part of a family, like he was before, not locked in a cage. Try it for yourself. Do something illegal, and get put in jail for 3 months. I think you'll have a different opinion of cage life afterwards.In our society it seems that the worst punishment we can come up with for our most rotten members of society is caging them. Yet we do it to animals all the time, innocent animals, who did nothing to deserve to be punished. What a hypocrisy we live in. It really saddens me. The fact that so many of us don't even associate the word "cage" with it's true meaning is the worst part. We've let ourselves become numb to term. Most of us, when we hear the word cage, we think of cute kittens, reaching out through the bars, or an animal in intensive care at the vet's clinic, where the cage protects them and keeps them still and quiet. Yet, the very basic principal of the word cage SHOULD invoke a dire sense of loss of freedom. We should envision prisoners of war, old style zoos, where big cats paced back and forth in a 8x8 cage with sterile walls. A cage shouldn't be anything positive in our minds, it should invoke a deep sense of LOSS. You wouldn't (and can't legally) lock your child in his room for days on end, yet we have no second thoughts on doing it to the animals we "save" everyday. Save from what, It makes you think. Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil, as they say in politics. Really sad, in my opinion. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus
Re: OT - Zack
The problem is two dominate males in one territory. It's just unnatural. I'd rather have one normal, well adjusted dominant male cat in the house (Doobie), than two drugged into submission males (and I would have to drug them both, as they are equally aggressive to each other). Ithink cats should be allowed to be cats. Who am I to try to go against their very nature by trying to make them co-inhabit the same territory? I'm very much into feline psychology, and I don't think that mood altering drug use is the proper way to deal with a cats natural instincts. I think that method of making life easier for the humans involved is not in the best interests of the cats (on a very deep emotional level). You have to understand, I NEVER agreed that Zack would be an indoor cat to the people who brought him here. I have repeatedly contacted them telling them that Zack is not fitting in (with the feral colony), and they refuse solve their problem that brought him here to begin with (not finding living quarters that allows pets) and come take him back home. Zack was obviously a disposable member of their family. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT - Zack
Try craigslist. Ask for a foster or foster-to-adopt situation. Be honest that he needs an only-cat home butsing his praises -- handsome, great with dogs, etc. -- too. Plan on delivering to his new home so you can do a home inspection at the same time. Require a vet reference. Ask a $20 adoption fee. The combination of home visit, vet reference, and small adoption fee will get rid of 98% of the weirdos. If your craigslist is busy like the one in the Bay Area, list a couple of days a week, like Tuesday and Thursday, so the ad stays fresh. Persist! Use EVERY available resource. There's a home out there somewhere. You just have to find it. (I've had seniors, special needs cats, and cats who were awful with other cats too. I'm not a fuzzy-kitten rescue. So I know this is not easy. But it is not impossible.)Give craigslist a shot, twice a week. And any local newspaper with a classified section. What's the worst that can happen? You turn people down 'cause something doesn't feel right? Give it a try.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mackenziewas my favorite feral. I see him once a month or so, Zack scares them all away most of the time. I do know he's alive, but that's about all I know. Him and Spooky (the bw FIV+ male) seem to have buddied up, as they appear together when they come. Hopefully that brings them the safety of numbers, at least. Rusty is now my new favorite, but only because he's the only one determined enough to refuse to be run off by Zack, much to Zack's disappointment. They fight constantly, but he refuses to give up his space (the back yard). Zack owns the porch and the road, Rusty owns the backyard. It's still up to debate daily though. Right now, I do have the cage mostly covered, as I do HAVE to bring Zack inside for storms, as he freaks out when there's any thunder at all. My main issue is my dominant male housecat, Doobie. He harasses Zack, Zack harasses back. Even if I cover the entire cage with a blanket, and only leave a little front of it uncovered, they will fight through the bars. I've considered buying some Plexiglas, and making a custom cage cover to go over it, with small bore holes drilled throughout the glass for ventilation. That would at least stop the physical contact, BUT, it wouldn't stop the endless "G,RRR,YEOW,HAK,SKTPF,YOW,KERTCH,HA,SHHH,GR!" that is the constant result of Zack and Doobie being within earshot of each other. (I'm sure I couldn't afford the materials though, anyways) I also have no doors in the apartment, other than the one that closes off the bedroom from the livingroom or kitchen, and the one from the bedroom to the bathroom, so even if I put Doobie in the bedroom area, we can't get any sleep, as he will dig at the door for hours on end trying to dig his way into the room he's locked out of.All of this because someone lied to me about Zack to begin with, told me he was friendly. He was supposed to come here as his last chance, to join the feral colony. Instead, he harasses the feral colony so bad that they would rather starve to death than come here to eat (I can only assume that's the fate of the cats I have not seen in months).It is still, and always will be, my opinion that euthanasia is far kinder than any prolonged period in a cage. I will NOT cage Zack all winter, which would be more than half the year here (7-8 months of temperatures below freezing at night, and at least 3 months of temperatures below freezing day and night). He was a very much loved housecat, and even having him live outside is not nice to him, all of his life, he slept on the bed, and snuggled on the sofa, until he came here, were he was thrown out, and never gets more than a pat in passing. This life is just NOT fair to Zack, and as much as I hate to do it, I will euthanise him once it gets cold if no home is found. Zack deserves to be a loved part of a family, like he was before, not locked in a cage. Try it for yourself. Do something illegal, and get put in jail for 3 months. I think you'll have a different opinion of cage life afterwards.In our society it seems that the worst punishment we can come up with for our most rotten members of society is caging them. Yet we do it to animals all the time, innocent animals, who did nothing to deserve to be punished. What a hypocrisy we live in. It really saddens me. The fact that so many of us don't even associate the word "cage" with it's true meaning is the worst part. We've let ourselves become numb to term. Most of us, when we hear the word cage, we think of cute kittens, reaching out through the bars, or an animal in intensive care at the vet's clinic, where the cage protects them and keeps them still and quiet. Yet, the very basic principal of the word cage SHOULD invoke a dire sense of loss of freedom. We should envision prisoners of war, old style zoos, where big cats paced back and forth in a 8x8 cage with sterile walls. A cage shouldn't be anything positive in our minds,
RE: OT - Zack
Phaerwyn, I certainly respect the depth of your feeling on the subject, but I think your personal take on the *human* need for physical freedom is clouding your perceptions of what the CAT would want. Remember that they're lair animals, so cages judiciously used don't automatically scream "prison" to a cat, they say "safety." I'm not saying contain them 24/7 but they're really not going to mind the cage the 20 hours a day they're sleeping. ;-) If you could give Zack some quality time both in and out of the cage, maybe he would gradually lose his "issues." Personally, we've got a "psycho kitty" of our own, he's sorta the feline equivalent of Popeye's Bluto, all swagger and bullying. Please don't kill me, but when Gail and I combined households and Tribble had 4 other cats to beat up on, we very reluctantly made the decision to have him front-declawed, though it was against everything in our philosophies, for the sake of the others. We found a place that uses laser, to minimize the pain. This was not an ideal solution, not only because of the mutilation, but also because he still has his teeth. But at least he has to get closer to them now, and they all know enough not to let him. We haven't been able to vet him for a long time, and we often half-joke that if he ever needs pills, he's doomed. Let me tell you, the post that mentioned Elavil ear-cream is making me go hm. We both know that if Tribble weren't here, we would have many fewer hassles, but neither of us would dream of sending him along. There are moments when he's utterly endearing. He's never been actually diagnosed with anything, but I think there must be some disorder. Sometimes he'll want to just press his forehead against you, maybe he gets migraines or something. As for making Plexiglas cage partitions, you can get window-replacement Lexan for maybe $15 for a large sheet at home stores. It's very clear (I used it, with mirror hangers, to protect my many posters in my last place), and you can cut it down fairly easily, and drill vent holes with a regular drill, a Dremel tool, etc. That might mean one less hurdle to finding a solution for Zack. Diane R.
Re: OT - Zack
Nina, I sell cat collars that say "Crazy Cat" on them and have images of psycho cats all over them, LOL! I also have "fat cat" "stinky cat" "princess cat" and lots others.Crazy cat:http://ucat.us/beastiebands/crazycat.jpg Doobie wears a "Fat Cat" collar, he doesn't seem too very offended... Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
He's on both craig's list and the bemikitties site now! $40 adoption fee, 5 pageapplication, and home visit required. That should weed out any whackos. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
Where? You're in Vermont, right? Did you receive a self-publishing link via email from craigslist after you submitted your listing? Make sure you say "Bengal" in the ad headline. That's an attention-grabber.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's on both craig's list and the bemikitties site now! $40 adoption fee, 5 pageapplication, and home visit required. That should weed out any whackos. PhaewrynPlease adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need!No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT - Zack
lexan... ok, I'll look into that, thanks Karen! I was under the impression that anything clear was grossly expensive, I guess I was wrong. I have to do something, cause even thick quilts can't keep Doobie away from the cage when Zack is in there. Right now I have the mat that my desk chair should be rolling on over one side of it, and a quilt on top, and several computers cases leaning up against the front to block Doobie. One side, at least, I can put up against the wall... of course, Zack sprays it... but it washes OK. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
Yep, Vermont. I haven't gotten the submission link YET, but it's coming soon, I should think. Yeah, it says Bengal in the subject. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
RE: OT - Zack
Putting Peepers on Prozac was a last resort. When we drove to the vet for her initial evaluation all I could think was how that drive easily could have been for a very different and irreversible purpose. We really had to consider the possibility of euthanizing her -- she was so hyper-defensive that if anyone sat within 5 feet of her she felt threatened and tried to kill them, her own mother included. Not cut out for a multi-cat environment so sanctuaries were out. She wasn't all that great with people either -- used to jum up straight up and go for my eyes -- so adoption into an only-cat home wasn't an option either. We had taken to tucking her in for the night in a big condo cage because, in the middle of the night, she would sneak into my room and try to attack one of the other cats who slept IN MY ARMS. Yes, she attacked Trixie in my arms every night around 2 or 3 a.m. Fortunately, my vet understood where I was coming from pretty quickly. I mean, he had to send us home with an oralsedative and have us bring her back the next day already sedated so he could give her a booster shot. To this day they have been unable to weigh her. He suggested Prozac rather quickly.Getting the Prozac in her was a problem. We worked with a compounding pharmacy and tried an allegedly liver-flavored syrup. Then we had it made into little Pounch-type treats. No matter what, my housemate and I had to chase her down every 24 hours and wrap her in a towel to get the meds in her. Not what you want to do with a cat who is already paranoid. However, within a week or two we saw improvement.Peepers has always considered my housemate her person. I'm just the kitchenh help. So now Larry is the one who medicates her. We've taken to ordering the Prozac online so we now get 400 dosages for around $80. Peepers gets a 5 mg dose and she now gets it every other day. This has made such a huge difference in Peepers' life. She's been on it since February 2005 and hasn't gone off on anyone (I mean she used to chase cats through the house screeching) in all that time. She will now hang out on the bed with other cats nearby. Her mother, a very sweet little tuxedo cat, isn't terrified of her anymore. She isn't cuddling with anyone but we have reached peaceful coexistence. Peepers' life is now closer to normal than anything we had ever hoped for.I don't think mindless agression is normal in altered cats. Usually they learn tolive in proximity with one another without anyone getting killed.And if that doesn't seem workable, no matter howslowly you make the introductions, then there may be something biochemical going on.Oh, just had a thought -- we use ourfoyer as intake space for newbies. We have a screen door between the foyer and living room. Keeps new kids contained and everyonee can see everyone else, sniff noses, whatever. Maybe install a screen door on your bathroom and start Zack in there?Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phaerwyn, I certainly respect the depth of your feeling on the subject, but I think your personal take on the *human* need for physical freedom is clouding your perceptions of what the CAT would want. Remember that they're lair animals, so cages judiciously used don't automatically scream "prison" to a cat, they say "safety." I'm not saying contain them 24/7 but they're really not going to mind the cage the 20 hours a day they're sleeping. ;-) If you could give Zack some quality time both in and out of the cage, maybe he would gradually lose his "issues." Personally, we've got a "psycho kitty" of our own, he's sorta the feline equivalent of Popeye's Bluto, all swagger and bullying. Please don't kill me, but when Gail and I combined households and Tribble had 4 other cats to beat up on, we very reluctantly made the decision to have him front-declawed, though it was against everything in our philosophies, for the sake of the others. We found a place that uses laser, to minimize the pain. This was not an ideal solution, not only because of the mutilation, but also because he still has his teeth. But at least he has to get closer to them now, and they all know enough not to let him. We haven't been able to vet him for a long time, and we often half-joke that if he ever needs pills, he's doomed. Let me tell you, the post that mentioned Elavil ear-cream is making me go hm. We both know that if Tribble weren't here, we would have many fewer hassles, but neither of us would dream of sending him along. There are moments when he's utterly endearing. He's never been actually diagnosed with anything, but I think there must be some disorder. Sometimes he'll want to just press his forehead against you, maybe he gets migraines or something. As for making Plexiglas cage partitions, you can get window-replacement Lexan for maybe $15 for a large sheet at home stores. It's very clear (I used it, with mirror hangers, to protect my many posters in my last place), and you can cut it down
Re: OT - Zack
Well, the problem is my apartment, the bathroom is only accessible through the bedroom, and any cat we've ever locked in there takes to howling all night and keeps us awake. If anyone is willing to donate toward the cause, I would be more than willing to take Zack to the vet for an exam and Prozac prescription. I have no idea what the cost would be, but at this point, anything is out of my range. My boyfriend lost his job, and my job barely pays rent and feeds all the cats. I never seem to be able to get in and out of the vet's office for under $100. Do you think it would eliminate the spraying issue too? Cause even if he does get along with the other cats... I still can't let him be an indoor cat in an apartment I RENT if he's going to spray everywhere. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
RE: my baby crackers
The thing about food is that some of this food can be pretty pricey You sort of have to balance things. Keep in mind that they dont eat quite as much of the better quality food as some of the cheaper brand I order Wellness online from The Hungry Puppy in NJ even though theres shipping charge, it still comes out cheaper than other places. One can goes a long way even with all 5 of them They tend to eat smaller portions. However, not everybody can do that so you shouldnt feel that you have to spend a fortune on food. You can always mix foods with home made sort of---boiled chicken or boiled any meat cut up in little pieces. All my cats like one veg or another they love eggs cheese. Theres a brand called Figaro and once in a while I throw in a can as its just tuna veggies. Basically, I try to give them a balanced diet, to stay away from stuff that fills them but doesnt give them nutrition, and to vary things a bit just so they dont get into a I dont like that cat food anymore mood! Thats just my way of doing it- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 4:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: my baby crackers Where do you buy your cat food? If it's the grocery store, that's the first problem you have to solve. You need to get a phone book, and look up a pet supply store in your area. Once you find one, go to the store, and pick up a bag of cat food, flip it over, and read the ingredients (don't even bother reading anything that's sold in a grocery store, it's all crap). If it doesn't have MEAT as the first (and preferably the first two) ingredients, put it back on the shelf and move on to the next food down. Do this until you find one that DOES have MEAT as the first ingredient. At the same time, you can also look for corn in the ingredients, and try to avoid those too. What you can afford will ultimately tell you how far you can go in buying the best food you can. I personally recommend California Natural or Innova (or Healthwise, for budget-minded people). But there are other good brands too. Others will make brand suggestions, I'm sure. OR, just search our archives, this has been discussed many times in the past on this list. A few other good brands: Chicken Soup, Felidae, Natural Balance, Newman's Own, Pinnacle, Premium Edge Kitten, Wellness, Wysong Archetype Diet, (Eukanuba is an acceptable food is nothing better can be found locally, better than what's sold in grocery stores). Some brands carry several products in their lines. Some are better than others, for example, Premium Edge CAT food is not good, but their KITTEN food is. Wysong's feline diet is not good, but their archetype diet is good. Etc.. Other brands will have good first 2 or three ingredients, but if you keep reading it just gets crazy as you go down the list of ingredients, for example, MANY otherwise good premium cat foods (with meat as the first 2 ingredients and no corn) add garlic, blueberries, and all kinds of other crazy nonsense to their foods. I don't recommend those, simply because they are MORE likely to cause allergies, and garlic is not safe to feed cats at all, I recently learned on this list. Not sure why otherwise good cat foods add something so dangerous to their products, lack of education, I suppose. Anyways, point is, read carefully. There should be NO onion, garlic, or corn, and preferably not a lot of fruit and veggies, as cats are carnivores. Also, herbs add to the chances of allergic reactions too. The more ingredients, the more you're playing with fire as far as allergies go. That's why I prefer the California Natural chicken and rice, VERY basic ingredients! Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program: http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more! It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need!
Re: my baby crackers
thank you for the list...i am writing them down and going out to get the best for my baby...did anyone ever have a problem with a cat switching diets? like not liking a new food? in that case can i wean him off of meow mix by...mixing the new with old at first? any suggestions..my cat loves to eat 18.6lbs but is set in his ways..no house food...or any homemade mushy foods?
The vet I had taken Angel to...
As many of you know, the vet I had originally taken Angel to wanted me to have her euthanized right away after she tested positive. I had spent weeks looking for a new vet for her and finally decided to try this one, when she became ill and needed to be seen last week. I just wanted to share that a lady from the vets office had called me last Wed. to check on Angel. I had to share the bad news and tell her I had lost Angel. Anyway, the vet himself sent me a condolence card in the mail yesterday and I really thought that was nice. I mean, how many vets take the time to do that? It was very comforting to me. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
Re: The vet I had taken Angel to...
The vet that I took Maizee to sent me a card when I had to pts my old kitty Cookie and she never even met her.And when Maizee passed almost everyone at the clinic signed and wrote a nice little message in the card.And she was little evil patient too,I know some of them told little white lies in their messages about how they will miss her. :) I mean I know she was really a wicked kitty at the clinic,but it was very sweet for them to say such nice things.They are the best. It was so nice for the vet that you took Angel to to sent a card,it lets you know that they care. Sherrykandbz_ mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:As many of you know, the vet I had originally taken Angel to wanted me to have her euthanized right away after she tested positive. I had spent weeks looking for a new vet for her and finally decided to try this one, when she became ill and needed to be seen last week. I just wanted to share that a lady from the vets office had called me last Wed. to check on Angel. I had to share the bad news and tell her I had lost Angel. Anyway, the vet himself sent me a condolence card in the mail yesterday and I really thought that was nice. I mean, how many vets take the time to do that? It was very comforting to me. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.
Re: the vet i had taken angel to
As many of you know, the vet I had originally taken Angel to wanted me to have her euthanized right away after she tested positive. I had spent weeks looking for a new vet for her and finally decided to try this one, when she became ill and needed to be seen last week. I just wanted to share that a lady from the vets office had called me last Wed. to check on Angel. I had to share the bad news and tell her I had lost Angel. Anyway, the vet himself sent me a condolence card in the mail yesterday and I really thought that was nice. I mean, how many vets take the time to do that? It was very comforting to me. that was very sweet of them. my name is kayte and i am new to this group and disease. i was wandering why did your old vet want angel to be euthanized? was she sick? i just found out Friday night my baby crackers 5yr old was pos for luekemia and my vet didn't mention anything about euthanization. i have learned a lot from all u wonderful people and am crossing my fingers crackers is a false positive or that he passes this sad disease...also i am so sorry for angels passing.
To: Kayte
Hi Kayte and welcome to the group!I live in Arizona and for some reason most of our vets here are scared of the disease and don't really have a lot of knowledge about it. At the time, Angel had no symptoms at all. It was just the fact that she tested positive. There is no way I was going to let him euthanize her since she had no symptoms. I had brought her home and started searching the internet for information and that is how I found this wonderful group of people. I only had Angel since July, but she was such a sweet girl and as long as she was by my side, she was happy. She became ill last weekend and died on Wednesday. This disease hit her very fast..she was only 5 months old. I wish there wasa way to get our vets here more educated and up to date on this disease. It's frustrating. Good luck to you! Karen[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:As many of you know, the vet I had originally taken Angel to wanted me to have her euthanized right away after she tested positive. I had spent weeks looking for a new vet for her and finally decided to try this one, when she became ill and needed to be seen last week. I just wanted to share that a lady from the vets office had called me last Wed. to check on Angel. I had to share the bad news and tell her I had lost Angel. Anyway, the vet himself sent me a condolence card in the mail yesterday and I really thought that was nice. I mean, how many vets take the time to do that? It was very comforting to me. that was very sweet of them. my name is kayte and i am new to this group and disease. i was wandering why did your old vet want angel to be euthanized? was she sick? i just found out Friday night my baby crackers 5yr old was pos for luekemia and my vet didn't mention anything about euthanization. i have learned a lot from all u wonderful people and am crossing my fingers crackers is a false positive or that he passes this sad disease...also i am so sorry for angels passing. Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.
Re: To: Kayte
Unfortunately, some vets do that - if they encounter an FELV cat, they recommend euthanization - I hate it, but it's true. Fortunately, when I encountered my 1st FELV cat (Calawalla Banana Boo-boo), the vet was wonderful - didn't recommend Euth, just said that it might limit her life expectancy. Also said that the virus didnt' live very long outside the body fluids. I still know of vets in this town that euth. FELV and even FIV cats, simply because Sad. Gloria At 10:45 PM 9/3/2006, you wrote: Hi Kayte and welcome to the group! I live in Arizona and for some reason most of our vets here are scared of the disease and don't really have a lot of knowledge about it. At the time, Angel had no symptoms at all. It was just the fact that she tested positive. There is no way I was going to let him euthanize her since she had no symptoms. I had brought her home and started searching the internet for information and that is how I found this wonderful group of people. I only had Angel since July, but she was such a sweet girl and as long as she was by my side, she was happy. She became ill last weekend and died on Wednesday. This disease hit her very fast..she was only 5 months old. I wish there was a way to get our vets here more educated and up to date on this disease. It's frustrating. Good luck to you! Karen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As many of you know, the vet I had originally taken Angel to wanted me to have her euthanized right away after she tested positive. I had spent weeks looking for a new vet for her and finally decided to try this one, when she became ill and needed to be seen last week. I just wanted to share that a lady from the vets office had called me last Wed. to check on Angel. I had to share the bad news and tell her I had lost Angel. Anyway, the vet himself sent me a condolence card in the mail yesterday and I really thought that was nice. I mean, how many vets take the time to do that? It was very comforting to me. that was very sweet of them. my name is kayte and i am new to this group and disease. i was wandering why did your old vet want angel to be euthanized? was she sick? i just found out Friday night my baby crackers 5yr old was pos for luekemia and my vet didn't mention anything about euthanization. i have learned a lot from all u wonderful people and am crossing my fingers crackers is a false positive or that he passes this sad disease...also i am so sorry for angels passing. Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40791/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbetaYou're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.
OT-Crosspost-TX FIV+ Kitties in Need of Homes
Hi Everyone, This is another case of someone dumping their pets. I will never understand how these people live with themselves. These kitties are gorgeous! The shelter contact info is below. Yvonne Crosspost from Special Needs Rescue cats 8/29/06:A woman dumped all of her 12 cats off at the Humane Society of Williamson County yesterday. One of the cats is a gorgeous adult male, Russian Blue kitty. Unfortunately he is FIV positive. Many FIV positive kitties live a long healthy life, the only difference is, they need to be indoor only kitties and not with other kitties, unless they are FIV positive as well. She also dropped off a Tabby Momma with her two 3-week old Siamese/Tabby kittens (see description link to photo in second post below). If we can't find homes for them soon, they will be euthanized. Please open your heart to this sweet boy and possibly one of his kitty friends. Pictures are available. Please save this sweet boy! PetFinder listing and picture:_http://search.http://seahttp://searchttp://searhttp://seahttp://_ (http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=6904204) Humane Society of Williamson County (512) 260-3602 _kwald @ hswc.net_ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Crosspost from Special Needs Rescue Cats 8/29/06A woman dumped me and my two 3-week old kittens, along with 9 of our other kitty friends at the Humane Society of Williamson County. Of course, she never bothered to fix or vaccinate any of us. Now I have FIV and two little kittens to care for who might also be FIV positive. We will probably live a full long life and just need to be kept indoors and away from other cats unless they too are FIV positive. FIV is not transmittable to any other animal or person. Please consider adopting one or more of us! We promise to love you always! Adoption fee has been reduced to $50.00 and includes spay/neuter and vaccinations. Their time is very short at the shelter, so please don't wait to call. PetFinder listing and picture:_http://search.http://seahttp://searchttp://searhttp://seahttp://_ (http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=6904219) The Humane Society of Williamson County (512) 260-3602 _kwald @ hswc.net_ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
