RE: I am asking for another prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister

[Gina WN]

I'm keeping you and Dharma in my prayers. This is just not fair for you to go through this again, especially in such a short period of time.Gina  "MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Sending prayers for your sweet Dharma's speedy recovery, Hideyo.   hugs, Kerryx-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 12:09 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT:I am asking for
 another prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sisterHi, everyone, I need to ask you to pray for my beautiful calico girl, Dharma – Dharma is Naomi’s sister who passed away a couple of months ago a couple of months ago from dry form of FIP. She was only 4 months old.. Dharma acted like a big sister of Naomi and taking care of her when Naomi was not feeling well.. since Then, I lost my beloved boy, Peter who was about 1.5 year old to dry FIP, a week after Naomi crossed the bridge.I have during the past few weeks noticed that Dharma has been less active
 (but she still acts and eats just fine).. and has some fever on and off with URIs.. and also noticed that her eye pupil size were different.. that’s very similar to what happened to my Naomi and I took her to the vet.. her TP was very high as 9 and her PCV was low 23.. again that’s what happened to Naomi and Peter.. and she had a fever of 103.5 –Looking at this, there is a good chance that Dharma has what Peter and Naomi had.. FIP which is fetal viral disease which will kill cats very quickly.. Dharma is not showing any serious symptoms and I am going t to start her on interferon tomorrow (thanks, Nina for sending it to me again) once we get her total body function blood work.After the vet’s visit today, I got sick to my stomach thinking how I am going to deal with it..but I know I need to… and I cried for about 30 mins.. and I am sure that I will cry again sometime..but right now..I need to fight with Dharma whatever she is fighting against (which Naomi may not be aware of.. as she does not act very sick at all.. just subtleness like Naomi did).. please pray that Dharma will recover whatever she has and she will live with us happily ever after for a long time…Thank
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RE: I am asking for another prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Thank you Gina.











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gina WN
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006
12:41 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: I am asking for another
prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister







I'm keeping you and Dharma in my prayers. This is just not fair
for you to go through this again, especially in such a short period of time.











Gina







MacKenzie, Kerry
N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:









Sending prayers for your sweet Dharma's
speedy recovery, Hideyo. 





hugs, Kerryx



-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006
12:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT:I am asking for
another prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister



Hi, everyone, I need to ask you to pray for my beautiful
calico girl, Dharma  Dharma is Naomis sister who passed away a
couple of months ago a couple of months ago from dry form of FIP. She was
only 4 months old.. Dharma acted like a big sister of Naomi and taking care of
her when Naomi was not feeling well.. since Then, I lost my beloved boy, Peter
who was about 1.5 year old to dry FIP, a week after Naomi crossed the bridge.













I have during the past few weeks noticed that Dharma has
been less active (but she still acts and eats just fine).. and has some fever
on and off with URIs.. and also noticed that her eye pupil size were
different.. thats very similar to what happened to my Naomi and I took
her to the vet.. her TP was very high as 9 and her PCV was low 23.. again
thats what happened to Naomi and Peter.. and she had a fever of 103.5 











Looking at this, there is a good chance that Dharma has what
Peter and Naomi had.. FIP which is fetal viral disease which will kill cats
very quickly.. Dharma is not showing any serious symptoms and I am going t to
start her on interferon tomorrow (thanks, Nina for sending it to me again) once
we get her total body function blood work.











After the vets visit today, I got sick to my stomach
thinking how I am going to deal with it..but I know I need to and I
cried for about 30 mins.. and I am sure that I will cry again sometime..but
right now..I need to fight with Dharma whatever she is fighting against (which
Naomi may not be aware of.. as she does not act very sick at all.. just
subtleness like Naomi did).. please pray that Dharma will recover whatever she
has and she will live with us happily ever after for a long time











Thank you!













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Re: Question re rabies vaccine

[Gloria Lane]

For my personal kitties, I stop doing the rabies shot for my cats  over 9 or 10.  And since they're indoor cats, the only '"reason"  to do it is if one bites somebody who'll complain.GloriaOn Sep 12, 2006, at 11:24 AM, Susan Loesch wrote:Hey, Diane - I may have missed something so you may have answered this in an earlier email.  Since Missy is totally indoors and especially since she is older, with "older issues" is there any reason you couldn't just not vaccinate for rabies at all?  "Rosenfeldt, Diane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yesterday we were at the vet with our Missy, and were told she's due for a rabies shot.  I know it's "the law" in these parts, but I wanted to wait until I had refreshed my mind on which way to go.   To the best of my recollection, the 3-year shot is considered (by everybody but the vets ;-)) to be as effective as 3 one-year shots, is that correct?  What if my vets don't offer the 3-year shot?  They're good vets and I don't want to switch; should I take her to another vet that does the 3-year protocol, just for the shot?  Does the 3-year generally cost more than the 1-year? She's a completely indoors cat, is approximately 13 years old, is on methimazole for her thyroid and diazepam for high-strungness and appetite, and has the beginnings of old-kitty stuff happening -- a very slight possible heart murmur, possible incipient kidney issues.  Five years ago, she survived a round of liver values through the roof, brought on most likely by a still-unknown toxin in our house.  We just had bloodwork done to check the methimazole dosage and are waiting for a call on that. Thanks for any pointers! Diane R.

multiple FELV in one house?

[Watsdadillyo]

Hi everyone! I know that many of you sweeties own more then 1 FELV pos cat. 
My question is this...Does having more then 1 FELV pos kitty risk infection to 
others.? Crackers right now is doing great! Would me bringing in 1-2 more FELV 
pos kittys be a risk to him? Since Crackers is FELV pos but showing no symptoms 
could bringing in another risk his immune. Financially I can take on a few more. 
And it finally sunk in my thick head. These poor kittys many wont adopt end up 
in a crate most of there lives. I could give them a better quality of life. NOW 
PLEASE DONT think im mean and hateful. I also DO NOT wanna do anything to hurt 
my Crackers. He is 5 and my baby. I also have a 4 yr old son. So to me its like 
I have to sons:) Also new kitties wouldn't bother Crackers. He loves companions 
and still even cries for Pokies who passed almost 3 weeks ago. I cherish your 
opinions.
love
kayte and crackers

RE: multiple FELV in one house?

[Tracy Weese]

I have (currently) 4 FeLV+ cats and 6 negatives. I think it would be a great thing to do for many reasons: 1) it gives Crackers some playmates; and 2) it would save some poor FeLV+ kitten/cat since most folks/resuces don't allow them to live. I have never noticed that having more than one + hastened any of their deathsbut you do know, some cats live very well for some time and others don't make it very long with FeLV. I would suggest looking around for rescue that have FeLV+ cats/kittens--usually they will try to get them a home, but if not, they are PTS even if healthy. And poss. your vet knows of some.

Kittens are very iffy--it's getting them into adulthood that's tough, but I have two right now that I got as kittens who were positive and they are 5 or so and fat and happy! If you can get two, maybe a kitten and an adult cat. With a child, you will have to be sensitive to the fact that you will be dealing with animal death at poss. a higher rate (although all pets die, it's tough to tell a child about a baby kitten dying).




Tracy 

- Original Message - 

From: 
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: 9/16/2006 11:00:09 AM 
Subject: multiple FELV in one house?

Hi everyone! I know that many of you sweeties own more then 1 FELV pos cat. My question is this...Does having more then 1 FELV pos kitty risk infection to others.? Crackers right now is doing great! Would me bringing in 1-2 more FELV pos kittys be a risk to him? Since Crackers is FELV pos but showing no symptoms could bringing in another risk his immune. Financially I can take on a few more. And it finally sunk in my thick head. These poor kittys many wont adopt end up in a crate most of there lives. I could give them a better quality of life. NOW PLEASE DONT think im mean and hateful. I also DO NOT wanna do anything to hurt my Crackers. He is 5 and my baby. I also have a 4 yr old son. So to me its like I have to sons:) Also new kitties wouldn't bother Crackers. He loves companions and still even cries for Pokies who passed almost 3 weeks ago. I cherish your opinions.
love
kayte and crackers

Re: multiple FELV in one house?

[Susan Hoffman]

Head straight to bemikitties at http://www.bemikitties.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/classifieds/classifieds.cgiand see if there are FeLV+ cats in your area in need of a home. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hi everyone! I know that many of you sweeties own more then 1 FELV pos cat. My question is this...Does having more then 1 FELV pos kitty risk infection to others.? Crackers right now is doing great! Would me bringing in 1-2 more FELV pos kittys be a risk to him? Since Crackers is FELV pos but showing no symptoms could bringing in another risk his immune. Financially I can take on a few more. And it finally sunk in my thick head. These poor
 kittys many wont adopt end up in a crate most of there lives. I could give them a better quality of life. NOW PLEASE DONT think im mean and hateful. I also DO NOT wanna do anything to hurt my Crackers. He is 5 and my baby. I also have a 4 yr old son. So to me its like I have to sons:) Also new kitties wouldn't bother Crackers. He loves companions and still even cries for Pokies who passed almost 3 weeks ago. I cherish your opinions.  love  kayte and crackers

difference of protocal of interferon -- why?

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

One thing I noticed that felk and fiv
treatment, they suggest every day dosage for 5 consecutive days and FIP, it
suggest every other day.. do you know why? I read an article how every day
dosage is much more effective than every other day.. but I was not sure
if there is any reason why every other day is suggested for FIP  (I will
also post this question to the group as well)

Re: OT:I am asking for another prayer for Dharma - Naomi's sister

[Gary Murphy]

Leslie,
I have been away from the list and am just getting caught up reading. I just wanted to chime in and say that my little Felk+ kitten, Alice (Ally), who I lost to wet FIP at 12 weeksWAS a soft grey and tan tabby. I've never heard of a color connection to the disease suggested before, that would be interesting to know. So far her other siblings are doing fine at 5-1/2 months;1huge Felk neg.grey brother,1large blk  wht neg. brother, and medium/large brown tabbyFelk+ brother Will Feral. I worry some abouttheir little sister Moxie, a grey and white neg. who is over a pound lighter than her brothers, but she acts healthy and came through her recent spay surgery likeit never even was done.Dharma is a lucky girl to have someone whois able to get her the feline interferon in time, I'm praying it helps her beat this awful disease if that's what she has.

Best wishes,
Beth

RE: Spencer and making decisions (was my vet's office called)

[Gary Murphy]

Nina,
I think that you and Spencer have made a good choice. Peace and strength and joy to you in enjoying your time together.

Beth

Re: multiple FELV in one house?

[kelly]

At 07:58 AM 9/16/2006, you wrote:
There is still the possibility Crackers may clear the virus,,,and
bringing in another FELV cat could insure he doesn't I
considered that myself..if after 2 years of positives I may do it but for
me that issomething to consider.
Kelly

Hi everyone! I know
that many of you sweeties own more then 1 FELV pos cat. My question is
this...Does having more then 1 FELV pos kitty risk infection to others.?
Crackers right now is doing great! Would me bringing in 1-2 more FELV pos
kittys be a risk to him? Since Crackers is FELV pos but showing no
symptoms could bringing in another risk his immune. Financially I can
take on a few more. And it finally sunk in my thick head. These poor
kittys many wont adopt end up in a crate most of there lives. I could
give them a better quality of life. NOW PLEASE DONT think im mean and
hateful. I also DO NOT wanna do anything to hurt my Crackers. He is 5 and
my baby. I also have a 4 yr old son. So to me its like I have to sons:)
Also new kitties wouldn't bother Crackers. He loves companions and still
even cries for Pokies who passed almost 3 weeks ago. I cherish your
opinions.
love
kayte and crackers
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Re: Spencer and making decisions (was my vet's office called)

[Nina]

Thank you Beth and everyone that has been so supportive about Spencer.
I can't tell you what a difference having you guys to lean on has made
during this very trying time. 

It's unbelievable how well Spencer feels. Last night he took off after
my Instigator like a bolt of lighting. Poor Inst! Spencer has been
his arch nemesis and since he's been so sick, Instigator has finally
started feeling comfortable sharing the premises with him. I even
thought that I brought on his crash because I'd started to scold
Spencer and give him time outs for being so unreasonable about the way
he treats Insty. This morning Spence greeted me by begging for
breakfast. His tail is up and he's once again following me around the
house bright eyed. I'm sorry that Instigator has to deal with
Spencer's new found vigor, but I can't wait until he's plaguing me with
his naughty behavior of jumping on the counter and trying to eat
everyone's food before I can dole it out.

I can't help, (like Tad), thinking of my sweet Jazzy and how I might
have been able to have additional quality time with her. I'm,
surprisingly, not beating myself up about my decision at the time. I
did the best I could for her and there's no way to know if her reaction
would have been the same. 

I figured when Spencer came back to me that we must have some
unfinished business. Perhaps this is part of it. Perhaps his
experience of new life, (I'm thinking of nick naming him Lazarus), was
to spread the word along with Michelle about the steroid shots and the
quality of life they can provide when our kitties are seemingly on
their death beds. I'm calling my vet clinic to let them know. I'm not
being lulled into a false sense of complacency; I do realize that this
burst of life may very well be short lived. Given that he was dying on
his own and the recommendation from the vet was to pts, I think his new
found vigor qualifies as a miracle, however long the duration.
Hopefully they will spread the word and we can help others to have the
same good fortune.
Love to you and all your babies,
Nina

Gary Murphy wrote:

  
  Nina,
  I think that you and Spencer have made a good choice. Peace and
strength and joy to you in enjoying your time together.
  
  Beth
  

Re: difference of protocal of interferon -- why?

[Nina]

Hideyo,
Where did you find the protocol for FIP? Is there any way to question
whoever published that protocol directly? How are your girls doing
today?
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

  
  
  
  
  One thing I
noticed that felk and fiv
treatment, they suggest every day dosage for 5 consecutive days and
FIP, it
suggest every other day.. do you know why? I read an article how every
day
dosage is much more effective than every other day.. but I was not
sure
if there is any reason why every other day is suggested for FIP  (I
will
also post this question to the group as well)
  
  
  

Re: Spencer and making decisions (was my vet's office called)

[ETrent]

Every day is a blessing. I am so glad that Spencer is doing so 
well!

elizabeth

In a message dated 9/16/2006 9:55:37 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thank 
  you Beth and everyone that has been so supportive about Spencer. I can't 
  tell you what a difference having you guys to lean on has made during this 
  very trying time. It's unbelievable how well Spencer 
  feels. Last night he took off after my Instigator like a bolt of 
  lighting. Poor Inst! Spencer has been his arch nemesis and since 
  he's been so sick, Instigator has finally started feeling comfortable sharing 
  the premises with him. I even thought that I brought on his crash 
  because I'd started to scold Spencer and give him time outs for being so 
  unreasonable about the way he treats Insty. This morning Spence greeted 
  me by begging for breakfast. His tail is up and he's once again 
  following me around the house bright eyed. I'm sorry that Instigator has 
  to deal with Spencer's new found vigor, but I can't wait until he's plaguing 
  me with his naughty behavior of jumping on the counter and trying to eat 
  everyone's food before I can dole it out.I can't help, (like Tad), 
  thinking of my sweet Jazzy and how I might have been able to have additional 
  quality time with her. I'm, surprisingly, not beating myself up about my 
  decision at the time. I did the best I could for her and there's no way 
  to know if her reaction would have been the same. I figured when 
  Spencer came back to me that we must have some unfinished business. 
  Perhaps this is part of it. Perhaps his experience of new life, (I'm 
  thinking of nick naming him Lazarus), was to spread the word along with 
  Michelle about the steroid shots and the quality of life they can provide when 
  our kitties are seemingly on their death beds. I'm calling my vet clinic 
  to let them know. I'm not being lulled into a false sense of 
  complacency; I do realize that this burst of life may very well be short 
  lived. Given that he was dying on his own and the recommendation from 
  the vet was to pts, I think his new found vigor qualifies as a miracle, 
  however long the duration. Hopefully they will spread the word and we 
  can help others to have the same good fortune.Love to you and all your 
  babies,NinaGary Murphy wrote:
  

Nina,
I think that you and Spencer have made a good choice. Peace and 
strength and joy to you in enjoying your time together.

Beth



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Re: OTS..need suggestions

[Gina WN]

They euthanize the cats within 24 hours?! That is not enough time for a cat to be determined "missing" and for an owner to get to the SPCA. :(Gina  kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  At 08:45 AM 9/9/2006, you wrote:They were friendly. She was carrying them in in her arms,,,not traps Shana has already posted signs telling people what she is doing. Sadly the SPCA euthanizes cats turned in within 24 hours here in Fresno,,,Thanks..It makes me cry. She save all she could afford.KellyThe only think I can think of is to get as many people in the area that you know to go in  adopt out the cats who are no somone's pets. ASAP! Pass the word along.Also if there is a possibility that the cats being brought in are
 family pets, the SPCA should be told that as they should not accept them since it is not owners who are bringing them in. Let the SPCA know NOT to take cats from this woman  have them warn her that what she is doing is illegal.And last but not last, have Shana go door to door in the park  let people know what this woman is diong. That would be the BEST thing to do. If people in the park know that someone these is killing their cats, I imagine they would tend to her themselves.But all of those things should be done.If it is ok to send me her address privately, do it.Pam- Original Message - From: "kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 10:37 AMSubject: OTS..need suggestionsdoes anyone have any ideas how we can address
 this sad issueIfound out from one of the great Techs at my vets office that there is a woman in her mobile home park who has gathered up all the cats and taken them to the SPCA to be killed, The girl Shana had sold her the mobile home when they bought a new one and moved a few spaces away, She asked the new owner if she could leave the food there for the cats who were used to eating in that place until she could get them used to her new place, Well when the cats were not there one day she went and asked the woman if she had seen them, the woman lied and said no,,She went to the SPCA and was able to save 2 the other 2 had been euthanized already, Also this woman had brought in 30 cats,in this month , all friendly all to be euthanized. I keep my cats in..many people who live in a safe place without traffic
 allow their beloved pets in their yards,,now they are dead!!I am angrier than belief and am hoping that she can get many letters from all over the country condemning this cruel act, I have her address I will private email anyone who is willing to tell her how awful this is,If this is an inappropriate post please delete it. bit many kitty lives are at stake.thankskelly--No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006Please visitmy Tigger Tales site!  On the
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Re: difference of protocal of interferon -- why?

[Tad Burnett]

Interferon is one of those drugs that looses its effectiveness the more
it is given..
Was this protocol written by the same vet ???
I have a healthy cat, both pos on FeLV and FIV who cam to me on
interferon
every day.. My vet says once she has been on that that it should be
continued...
I also have a another healthy double pos who is not getting any so long
as she
is healthy...
I have interferon in my fridge and give a 7 day course of it at the 1st
hint of a bug...
That's my vets recommendation... However another vet might say 7 on, 7
off all the time..
I guess the FIP might be considered more serious than FeLV so he chose
every day...

There are more what ifs than hard and fast protocols with this...
Tad

Nina wrote:

  
  
Hideyo,
Where did you find the protocol for FIP? Is there any way to question
whoever published that protocol directly? How are your girls doing
today?
Nina
  
Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:
  




One thing I
noticed that felk and fiv
treatment, they suggest every day dosage for 5 consecutive days and
FIP, it
suggest every other day.. do you know why? I read an article how every
day
dosage is much more effective than every other day.. but I was not
sure
if there is any reason why every other day is suggested for FIP  (I
will
also post this question to the group as well)



  

RE: difference of protocal of interferon -- why?

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

I found at a couple of different places 
by dr. addies website who has been researching FIP for the past 16 years
and by dr. Ishida who first succeeded treating FIP with VO intereferon..



Ayumi is doing really well I and
her went for a long walk this morning.. and Dharma is also doing well
she eats well..she is not active like the rest of crazy babies of Bella and samba..
but I cant complain ---I am holding her more as she has been a bit skittish
and she is more used to be than before..



Nina.. I think I might have been one day
late catching the mama kitty.. she did not show up to eat at all.. and I have a
feeling that Its because she gave birth to her babies a night
before, she kept looking at me and meowing at me and did not leave my front
porch even after she ate.. and she was telling me something and now I know what
it was. I screwed it up. I just was overwhelmed with everything else and I did
not put her my priority. My fault.. but if I need to I can always catch her and
the babies once babies are big enough to follow mama to come eat.. once I did
catch 7 babies and the mama all at once in a dog trap.. so nothing is
impossible.. but I wish I caught her before she had babies so that I could at
least provide the safe place and warm bed while she raises her babiesbut
I will get them.. soon or later..











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006
11:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: difference of
protocal of interferon -- why?





Hideyo,
Where did you find the protocol for FIP? Is there any way to question
whoever published that protocol directly? How are your girls doing today?
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:



One thing I noticed that felk and fiv
treatment, they suggest every day dosage for 5 consecutive days and FIP, it
suggest every other day.. do you know why? I read an article how every day
dosage is much more effective than every other day.. but I was not sure
if there is any reason why every other day is suggested for FIP  (I will
also post this question to the group as well)

Re: multiple FELV in one house?

[Nina]

Tracy makes a good point and one that crossed my mind when I read
Katye's post. The fact that your son might have to deal with death and
dying... It is something to consider. How old is your son? If he's
old enough, you might be able to delicately discuss with him the
possibility of the new kitties not living very long. I think if he's
able to handle the discussion, he might benefit from knowing before
hand that these guys might not be with you for very long, how much
extra care they sometimes need and that you have to enjoy their company
every day for the special gift it is. 

Some of you might remember Cherie. She had a young son that went
through the losses with her. I wonder what they would have to say
about the lessons and consequences. I'm going to try and write her
off-list and see if she has anything to contribute to the discussion.
Nina

Tracy Weese wrote:

  
  
  
  I have (currently) 4 FeLV+ cats and 6
negatives. I think it would be a great thing to do for many reasons:
1) it gives Crackers some playmates; and 2) it would save some poor
FeLV+ kitten/cat since most folks/resuces don't allow them to live. I
have never noticed that having more than one + hastened any of their
deathsbut you do know, some cats live very well for some time and
others don't make it very long with FeLV. I would suggest looking
around for rescue that have FeLV+ cats/kittens--usually they will try
to get them a home, but if not, they are PTS even if healthy. And
poss. your vet knows of some.
  
  Kittens are very iffy--it's getting
them into adulthood that's tough, but I have two right now that I got
as kittens who were positive and they are 5 or so and fat and happy!
If you can get two, maybe a kitten and an adult cat. With a child, you
will have to be sensitive to the fact that you will be dealing with
animal death at poss. a higher rate (although all pets die, it's tough
to tell a child about a baby kitten dying).
  
  
  
  
  Tracy
  
  

Re: multiple FELV in one house?

[kelly]

At 11:04 AM 9/16/2006, you wrote:


Excellent answer. It just exemplifies what we all face daily, You see 
my Max is going to his owners home in Seattle in June so I will do 
everything I can to insure he remains as healthy as possible I also 
have 40 other cats so to be honest when he does go to his home it 
will help out here a bit,  I am out of rooms,,,I do question the 
degree of exposure also, I know with other viruses that really makes 
a difference, but I am not sure with the retro viruses, But then I do 
not think anyone is,,

We just all do the best we can  for them
Kelly



I can't say for sure, (Hell, there's nothing for sure about this 
virus), but I don't think that prolonged exposure would have any 
effect on whether a cat cleared the virus.  It seems to me that they 
are either going to be able to beat it, or not.  I've asked several 
vets if a cat that has tested pos for felv clears the virus, does 
that mean they would then be immune to it?  I get a lot of huh, 
gee, hmms out of them, but no answers.  I know there are different 
strains, perhaps that would play a part, I just don't know.


I do think the possibility of an immune compromised cat being in 
danger in a multicat household, from exposure to other common 
illnesses, is much more likely.  It's a personal decision that each 
one of us has to find our comfort level with and make for ourselves, 
(much like mixing negs and pos).  I didn't tell you folks, (I was 
ashamed of the vet for suggesting it to me), but the last time I 
talked to the vet she suggested re-testing my other kitties and 
euthanizing anyone that tests pos.  I know she feels that a 
multicat/rescue situation should be treated differently than a 
single indoor cat household, probably for the reasons we are 
discussing here.  I mention it because I don't give a hoot what the 
professionals have to say on the subject, I'd rather take my 
chances with life any day.  Will I be crushed if one of my 
previously negs turns up pos?  You bet I will.  But that doesn't 
mean I'm willing to kill them to prevent further possible spread of 
the disease.


Katey has some soul searching to do here.  There's no doubt that 
whoever she takes in will have a better life, but there is a 
potential risk to her beloved Crackers.  The way I look at it is 
that life is full of risks.  There's no way to avoid them, we walk 
around with them all the time.  We can do our best to protect 
ourselves and our loved ones, but there's a fine line between 
protection and life limiting paranoia.  I've finally gotten through 
my thick head that no matter how diligent, no matter how researched, 
no matter how careful I am, I still don't have the power of ultimate 
control.  I choose to have faith that when I make decisions based on 
quality of life for everyone concerned, I'll be able to handle the 
consequences.


How's that for not answering your question?
Nina

kelly wrote:


At 07:58 AM 9/16/2006, you wrote:

There is still the possibility Crackers may clear the virus,,,and 
bringing in another FELV cat could insure he doesn't   I considered 
that myself..if after 2 years of positives I may do it but for me 
that issomething to consider.

Kelly



Hi everyone! I know that many of you sweeties own more then 1 FELV 
pos cat. My question is this...Does having more then 1 FELV pos 
kitty risk infection to others.? Crackers right now is doing 
great! Would me bringing in 1-2 more FELV pos kittys be a risk to 
him? Since Crackers is FELV pos but showing no symptoms could 
bringing in another risk his immune. Financially I can take on a 
few more. And it finally sunk in my thick head. These poor kittys 
many wont adopt end up in a crate most of there lives. I could 
give them a better quality of life. NOW PLEASE DONT think im mean 
and hateful. I also DO NOT wanna do anything to hurt my Crackers. 
He is 5 and my baby. I also have a 4 yr old son. So to me its like 
I have to sons:) Also new kitties wouldn't bother Crackers. He 
loves companions and still even cries for Pokies who passed almost 
3 weeks ago. I cherish your opinions.

love
kayte and crackers
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Re: multiple FELV in one house?

[Tad Burnett]

I have been waiting for Nina to answer this question because I knew she 
would put my thoughts in words better than I could...


It was just 3 years ago that I brought home 4 cats from a rescuer that 
had 16 rescues in a one bedroom apartment...
One neg. was a litter mate of a pos The other 2 were close to each 
other as well as the kittens...
My vet said ethically he was required to advise PTS but when I said NO 
he became very happy/helpful in devising

a plan to keep them and keep my family of siamese cats safe

A word here... PTS is the only really safe thing to do  I think it is 
wrong to condemn a good vet because this is his
initial advise... Give him the chance to see how he reacts when YOU show 
him that you are committed to keeping

pos. cats...

Once my vet and I got into it he admitted that many of the FeLV+ cats he 
had seen lived with neg. cats and he had

never seen other cats from that family go pos...
Here in Vermont we don't seem to have much FeLV and very few people test 
for it... Maybe that is why we don't
have much that we know about... Also the stray problem isn't that bad 
because many people will adopt a cat because

it finds its way to their door...

Of my original 4 it was the neg. 4 month old kitten that was the 1st to 
go.. The pos kitten is still with me... He has a chronic
gum problem... He gets L-liseen and amoxi and interferon that seems to 
keep him going.. And he is totally spoiled at eating
time.. We have a special routine that I have to follow but he does eat 
well...

He would have been totally lost if I hadn't gotten him some new company

I have had a dozen cats that more or less share a living room and 
attached close in breeze way

and they all get along well...
Currently 2 were neg. but were so close to pos.'s that it wasn't safe to 
call then neg. for adoption..
All of them would have been PTS on the day I brought them home if I had 
not saved them...
However if you even get to hear a bout a FeLV+ cat looking for a home 
its probably because
it is a very special cat .. At any rate I have had very good luck at 
introducing new cats to this group
without causing much stress on the old cat and I feel that they have 
been happier because of the other
cats and I don't believe that it has shortened any lives... There is a 
bit of luck to that though...


The rough part is if you get a companion for Crackers he probably will 
grow on you too...
Last fall/winter I lost one a month for 6 months strength... I needed 
the spring summer with
everybody staying healthy... If you can be happy knowing that you gave 
then some good life
that they wouldn't have had otherwise then there are many many great 
cats that need you...

Tad

Nina wrote:

I can't say for sure, (Hell, there's nothing for sure about this 
virus), but I don't think that prolonged exposure would have any 
effect on whether a cat cleared the virus.  It seems to me that they 
are either going to be able to beat it, or not.  I've asked several 
vets if a cat that has tested pos for felv clears the virus, does that 
mean they would then be immune to it?  I get a lot of huh, gee, hmms 
out of them, but no answers.  I know there are different strains, 
perhaps that would play a part, I just don't know.


I do think the possibility of an immune compromised cat being in 
danger in a multicat household, from exposure to other common 
illnesses, is much more likely.  It's a personal decision that each 
one of us has to find our comfort level with and make for ourselves, 
(much like mixing negs and pos).  I didn't tell you folks, (I was 
ashamed of the vet for suggesting it to me), but the last time I 
talked to the vet she suggested re-testing my other kitties and 
euthanizing anyone that tests pos.  I know she feels that a 
multicat/rescue situation should be treated differently than a single 
indoor cat household, probably for the reasons we are discussing 
here.  I mention it because I don't give a hoot what the 
professionals have to say on the subject, I'd rather take my chances 
with life any day.  Will I be crushed if one of my previously negs 
turns up pos?  You bet I will.  But that doesn't mean I'm willing to 
kill them to prevent further possible spread of the disease.


Katey has some soul searching to do here.  There's no doubt that 
whoever she takes in will have a better life, but there is a potential 
risk to her beloved Crackers.  The way I look at it is that life is 
full of risks.  There's no way to avoid them, we walk around with them 
all the time.  We can do our best to protect ourselves and our loved 
ones, but there's a fine line between protection and life limiting 
paranoia.  I've finally gotten through my thick head that no matter 
how diligent, no matter how researched, no matter how careful I am, I 
still don't have the power of ultimate control.  I choose to have 
faith that when I make decisions based on quality of life for everyone 
concerned, I'll be able to handle the 

Re: Michelle - How is Lucy today?

[Kiley Dozier-Bosanko]

Michelle,
Have you considered talking to the feline health clinic at Cornell?  I know 
their website is a little out of date, but I imagine that their vets have 
very up to date information available to them.  You can schedule a phone 
consultation for about 50.00 for an hour and I believe you can send them 
back ground information in advance.  It would be cheaper than a vet visit 
and avoid the stress of putting Lucy in the car.

Kiley



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Michelle - How is Lucy today?
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:43:34 EDT

No, I still have not taken her there. I keep canceling (wonder how many 
times

they'll let me do that).  It's over 1.5 hours away, so probably an all day
event, and she just hates the car so much. If it were Patches, who does not 
mind

the car, I probably would have gone already.  When i had to move the cats
from MA to NJ, a 5 hour car trip, Lucy had diarrhea (before her IBD, just 
from

stress) and threw up in the car and hid and meowed the whole time.

I do not think they would talk to me over the phone because I have never 
been

there.  And no, I still have not found anyone to prescribe budesonide.

Some cats with IBD do seem to respond to pred and need high doses for a
while.  What I worry about, of course, is it being low grade lymphoma, which 
would

also respond to pred but only at high doses. I am just trying to take it one
day at a time. Thank goodness for your turkey mush recipe though-- when she 
is

not feeling her best she will not touch her raw food.  I have had to cut the
Nu cat vitamins and pumpkin out of the mush, though, as they seemed to 
bother

her.

The strange thing is that she is having totally solid bowels now, but about 
3

times a day, versus her normal once a day. I don't know what that means.

Michelle

In a message dated 9/11/2006 7:15:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That Lucy is such a little dickens when it comes to getting into stuff
she shouldn't.  I'm remembering the olive oil incident, (what's with the
oil craving?).  If she's anything like Gypsy, bread crumbs would be
enough to cause trouble.  I haven't had Gypsy on steroids for such a
long time that I can say without a doubt that it's not a dosage factor,
it's from her eating ANYTHING other than her mush.  I mean, for goodness
sake, she can't even eat plain turkey without problems.  Have you ever
brought Lucy in to see this specialist that's so far away?  Would they
discuss her case with you over the phone since she's feeling better
now?  Perhaps they might be willing to talk to you, about the
ramifications of switching her to prednisolone and the dosage amounts,
(you know, hypothetically).  I take it you never found anyone to
prescribe Budesonide?  We all need a vet in the family.
N

Re: Michelle - How is Lucy today?

[catatonya]

I hope Lucy continues to improve Michelle.t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Thanks, Nina. I can't believe you are responding at all, to be honest, with all you are going through.Lucy's bowels are firm and she just started having a normal-ish appetite again, but only after I put her up to 12.5 mg/day of pred. I think I really need to try to leave her on this for at least a week and to taper much more slowly. When I first tried to taper her, she went from 12.5down to 3.75 over the course of a month and a half, but relapsedwhen I went down to 2.5. After that, I could not seem to get her below 10 mg.She is very perky, though. I called andmade an appointment, again, for the place far away to see the specialist. But
 now that she seems to be stabilizing (fingerscrossed) and someone offered to send me prednisolone, I think I might cancel it again if she is still ok by Friday and see if a slower taper, and switching to prednisolone, helps. What do you think?Idid see her eat some bread crumbs on the patio last week, andyesterday morning found that I had left the lid of an empty margerine container on the counter-- it was greasy but had no visible margerine on it when I found it, but if there had been any I am sure she probably licked it. So it is really hard to say if her relapses happen just from needing more pred and generally havingworse IBD, or from her eating things that I am not aware ofat the time.Thanks again for asking,  Michelle  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:
 felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 3:49 PMSubject: Michelle - How is Lucy today?  Michelle,I've seen your posts about switching Lucy from prednisone to prednisolone today, but you haven't said how she's doing. Is she eating? Has her stool firmed up at all? Any other symptoms? With all that's going on at my house I didn't get to Gypsy's mush for two days. I had been feeding her plain cooked turkey and knew we were going to have a problem because of it. She's finally back on her mush, so I hope it
 will be resolved soon, but meanwhile she's got liquid diarrhea again and has lost her appetite. The thought "No good deed goes unpunished" just went through my mind. I've got to figure out a way to help the wayward ones and still keep my sanity.Praying that Lucy is feeling better,Nina  Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

help...two feluk postive kits looking for foster or forever home

[JENI RECA]

Hi,
a vet tech that works were I do, takes in kittens to foster.  She just 
tested two and that came up postive.  She is fostering about 10-15 kits 
right now, so she needs to find a forever home or foster home for them.  Any 
help would be appreciated.  We are in the new york area, willing to travel.  
They are about 8 weeks, eating on thier own.  She has had them since they 
were 1 week old.  I can only foster them for a short while, as long as I 
know thier is placement for them, I can not keep them.  Food will be 
provided.  Please help!

Jeni
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: o/t established cat and new cat
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:57:11 -0500

Thanks Diane. Wonderful!
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane
Rosenfeldt
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: o/t established cat and new cat


My first instinct was to say, first own cat, then after a while, Kitty.
BUT.  Then I thought of my own move, when Gail and I combined our
respective households -- me with Missy, Luc, and at that time Phoebe,
and her with Tribble and at that time Kitty.  We hadn't introduced them
all to each other, even though we lived a hallway away in our apartment
building.  It just didn't seem like a good idea.  When we moved, we
weren't too worried about the females, who were all sort of loners and
wouldn't have territorial issues.  We were worried about our two big
Alphas, especially because Tribble especially is so confrontational.
But when we let them out of the carriers and they saw each other, it was
literally like:
(nose touch) Dude!
(ass sniff) Dude!
No territorial stuff at all.  (It probably helped, in the long run, that
this house has 11 rooms and they wouldn't have to see each other at all
if they didn't want to, but they didn't know that then.)  So I'm
wondering if, since there will be big changes for both cats anyway, it
would be fine to introduce them to the new place at the same time, and
maybe there wouldn't be territory wars.  I don't know.  Might be
completely dependent on the cats' personalities, whether the original
cat NEEDS to be Alpha?

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MacKenzie,
Kerry N.
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 3:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: o/t established cat and new cat


Hi guys
I'm sorry I've not been on the list recently. (Trying to prepare
to go to UK again while working on an adopter for one of my fosters.)
As always, all sick kitties are in my thoughts, and my heart
goes out to those that have lost beloved furbabies.
I wonder if I could ask you knowledgeable folks a Q?
The potential adopter of my foster, Kitty, took her own cat to
her parents place while she moved house. She says she now wants to
establish her cat in her new home before she takes Kitty. Surely it wd
be better if she used this ideal opportunity to move them together into
the new place? Any opinions much appreciated before I get back to her on
this.I believe she plans to remove her cat tomorrow from her
parents.
Thanks as always
Kerry



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Re: multiple FELV in one house?

[Lernermichelle]

I would think the biggest risk is stress, but if you know Crackers likes 
meeting new cats, then I say go for it. They may bring URI's in from the shelter 
when they first get there, but once you get that under control, if they are not 
seeing other cats, i don't think the risk of infections and colds is that much 
greater.
Michelle

immune balancer - moducare

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

I was recommended to use moducare  immune balancer by
someone for Dharma who may have FIP  I read that they are also used for
FIV and felk cats and wanted to know if anyone has used this supplement 
or if you know of any side effects  thank you!

Re: multiple FELV in one house?

[Lernermichelle]

That's a good point, actually.
Michelle

In a message dated 9/16/2006 12:34:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There is 
  still the possibility Crackers may clear the virus,,,and bringing in another 
  FELV cat could insure he doesn't I considered that myself..if 
  after 2 years of positives I may do it but for me that issomething to 
  consider.Kelly

Re: Spencer and making decisions (was my vet's office called)

[Lernermichelle]

Nina, so glad he is feeling better. Strong steroids are sort of like 
a miracle, aren't they? I do not understand why vets do not regularly use them 
when cats are terminal, instead of just saying to pts. if they are worried about 
long-term effects, surely it is still better to give good quality time 
short-term and then rethink if they live long enough to get side effects than 
just to pts right away! I really, really don't get it. The vet who taught 
me to use the shots told me that most humans who are dying are put on 
dexamethasone for comfort. With humans there is no option of pts, so I 
guess they think more about symptom alleviation. But especially with lymphoma, 
where strong steroids actually treat the cancer for a while, they should be 
recommending it for every cat who does not get chemo, in my opinion, and for 
those who come out of remission and can't go back in with chemo. I'm so glad you 
are going to talk to your vet about it.

Michelle

Re: Michelle - How is Lucy today?

[Lernermichelle]

No, I didn't know they do phone consultations. That's a good idea. 
.Thanks.
Michelle

In a message dated 9/16/2006 4:57:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle,Have you considered talking to the feline health clinic at 
  Cornell? I know their website is a little out of date, but I imagine 
  that their vets have very up to date information available to them. 
  You can schedule a phone consultation for about 50.00 for an hour and I 
  believe you can send them back ground information in advance. It 
  would be cheaper than a vet visit and avoid the stress of putting Lucy in 
  the car.Kiley

Re: immune balancer - moducare

[Lernermichelle]

I had heard this also and bought it at one time but don't think I ever 
started them on it.
Michelle

In a message dated 9/16/2006 7:21:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I was recommended to use moducare 
  – immune balancer by someone for Dharma who may have FIP – I read that they 
  are also used for FIV and felk cats and wanted to know if anyone has used this 
  supplement – or if you know of any side effects – thank 
  you!

RE: difference of protocal of interferon -- why?

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

I am sorry, I meant to say for five days
every other day, and then off five days and then once a week or something..
so actually its less intensive than felk protocol.. no they were
suggested by different people I did write to dr. addie who put the information
on the website to see what s more effective.. but I did read an article
how intereferon loses its effect within 24 to 36 hours or so and thats
why every day dosate is more effective.. and did not know what to do with
Dharma..











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tad Burnett
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006
12:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: difference of
protocal of interferon -- why?





Interferon is one of those drugs that looses its
effectiveness the more it is given..
Was this protocol written by the same vet ???
I have a healthy cat, both pos on FeLV and FIV who cam to me on interferon
every day.. My vet says once she has been on that that it should be
continued...
I also have a another healthy double pos who is not getting any so long as she
is healthy...
I have interferon in my fridge and give a 7 day course of it at the 1st hint of
a bug...
That's my vets recommendation... However another vet might say 7 on, 7 off all
the time..
I guess the FIP might be considered more serious than FeLV so he chose every
day...

There are more what ifs than hard and fast protocols with this...
Tad

Nina wrote:



Hideyo,
Where did you find the protocol for FIP? Is there any way to question
whoever published that protocol directly? How are your girls doing today?
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:



One thing I noticed that felk and fiv
treatment, they suggest every day dosage for 5 consecutive days and FIP, it
suggest every other day.. do you know why? I read an article how every day
dosage is much more effective than every other day.. but I was not sure
if there is any reason why every other day is suggested for FIP  (I will
also post this question to the group as well)

Re: timing on FeLV+ test

[catatonya]

Once your negative cats are vaccinated, boostered and then wait maybe 2 weeks... I would mix without worrying about dishes and litters at all.  tSusan Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  You guys, as I've said before, are FANTASTIC. Whenever I get down aboutstuff I read on other Internet sites regarding mixing or throwing offthe virus, I can always count on coming to you and getting anoptimistic, truthful and knowledgeable answer.Thank you, thank you, thank you I will reschedule Gunnar'sappointment for 120 days from August 3. Instead of re-testing with theELISA, I will have the IFA test done. That is correct??And if, God forbid, the IFA is positive after 120 days, how many moredays would you recommend I wait before I retest again??And are you guys okay with
 mixing?? My girls are 16 and almost 8. Gunnar is 1-1/2 or 2. The girls are in the process of being vaccinated.I'm sure they won't be grooming each other, so all I need to do is keepthe litter box clean and worry about the food/water bowls. I can pickup breakfast/lunch/dinner dishes immediately after meals, but what's thebest route to take regarding the water bowl? And I guess I would cleanthe litter box in the morning and when I get home each night from work. Does this sound like a safe plan? Any other suggestions would beappreciated.Again, thank you from the bottom of my heart for all your advice andwords of wisdom. You've made a nervous "sister" to three cats a morecalmer person. Like I told our vet, who said "don't count on it" whenI told her we were literally praying to throw the virus, I trust andbelieve more in what I read on this site than I would the vet's office. You guys have "been there, done that." And
 you've got love, which isthe strongest feeling of all.God bless all of you and your kitties!!Keep the faith.Susan F.Chicago, Illinoissister to Kelly (16 - just had her Sweet 16 on Saturday), Meagan(7-1/2) and Gunnar (1-1/2-2). [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/11/06 3:07:48 PM retest using the IFA at a minimum of 90 days--i go for 120 days sincemosttimes it takes between three and four months to clear the virus--sounlessyou are absolutely sure that he couldn't have been in contact with aninfected cat that entire amount, better to wait.statistically, 70% of those originally tested positive on the ELISAwilltest negative on the IFA--if you do not test too soon. as belinda says,evenif an IFA is positive after 90-120 days, it's still not adefinite--thevirus can still clear itself.On 9/11/06, Nina
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I'm confused about who is asking what here. Who's the person thatis using caps to talk with? Anyway, this was just posted on my ferallist in answer to questions about ELISA vs IFA. I don't know this person,(and I hope he wouldn't mind my copying his post for our list), but hisresponse seemed knowledgeable and even in my foggy state of mind, areasonable explanation. I had thought that it wasn't possible to detect felvantigens in the bone marrow, (sequestered), even with an IFA. I thought I'dthrow his comments out there for others to comment on. Nina  the ELISA is about 100 times more sensitive than the IFA- but not as specific- which accounts for the high % of false positives. The ELISA detects soluble (circulating) P27 antigen while the IFA detectsP27 antigen in nucleated cells,
 neutrophils and platelets, or in bonemarrow cells. IFAs depend upon advanced stages of infection to detect the presenceof antigen and thus will not usually pick up early infections orsequestered infections. The increased sensitivity of the ELISA allows thedetection of early infections, transient infections, and sequestered infectionsthat may not be picked up by the IFA. Neither the ELISA nor IFA will not detect viral latency, becauseduring viral latency P27 antigen is not being produced.  Susan Franklin wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/11/06 8:37:18 AM  Susan, I would wait *at least* 90 days and then get the IFA test. WOULDI NOT WANT TO GET THE ELISSA TEST AGAIN??? ISN'T THE IFA TEST "THEFINAL SAY"??? IF THE IFA CAME BACK POSITIVE, WOULD I CONTINUE TO
 RETESTWITH THE IFA? AND HOW OFTEN? Keep giving the Mega C and good food and hopefully he will clear thevirus. But if not and it could take longer than 90 days, he'll still be healthier with the supplements and better food, which gives him a better chance of fighting off any opportunistic diseases or viruses. WILLDO. THANK YOU. I had Bailey tested once a year for about the first 5 years by thenit was obvious he wasn't going to throw it off, this is after theinitial retest in 90 days. I had him PCR tested when he was about 8 yearsold and it was in his DNA. But he was healthy up until he got sick at almost 11 years of age, and he tested positive at 5 months of age,so he lived a very good life for about 11 years being positive. AND THANK THE GOOD LORD BAILEY HAD YOU!!
 I'M GOING TO DO ALL I CAN FORMY GUNNAR. AND HOPEFULLY YOU DON'T SEE ANY HUGE PROBLEMS WITH HIS MIXING WITH KELLY AND MEAGAN (NEGS)?? I'VE GOT 

Re: multiple FELV in one house?

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Thanks for all the input guys. I didn't think about one of the most 
important things...My son A.J. He is 4 yrs old will be 5 in Nov. I can't forget 
his little face when i told he Pokemon went to heaven. He was crying and so 
crushed. He said "Mommy she wont get fed" he was so crushed. I think I will wait 
and see how Crackers goes before I adopt any kitty. Thanks for the great 
advice.
kayte