Re: OT, but cute
AW On 3/25/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I adopted out a little bobtail boy to a very nice family with a 3.5 year old and 2 dogs. His new mom called me last night and told me that when she asked her son if he wanted a kitty, he said nohe wants TWO kitties! A child after my own heart -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Do you remember Esprit?
Just got an email from her adopter, the young lady who had been fostering her and then moved to Southern California to attend law school. She has a question about a little eye discharge that I wanted to run past the group. Also does anyone know of a good FeLV friendly vet in the Costa Mesa/San Diego area? (I hope Kim joins the group but if anyone has solid info or experience with this I'm sure she would be happy to have you email her directly.) Anyway, here is Kim's email to me and my reply: Kimberly Wah kimberly.wah @ gmail.com wrote: Hi Susan, How are you doing? How is the cat rescuing/adoption going? I don't know if you remember Esprit but I took her in as a foster kitty in Davis and then ended up adopting her. Esprit had tested positive twice for FeLV and recently her eye has begun to drip. She constantly has fluid (I call it eye booger) below her right eye. I was wondering if you knew whether or not this is a symptom of FeLV or anything else and what I can do about it. Esprit seems to be eating well and is still very active but she has a lot of eye goop coming out of that one eye. Other than that Esprit is having a grand time in my new new apartment. It's a lot bigger (3 bed/2 bath) so she has much more room to run around and has lots of windows to stare out of. My reply: That could be a cold or allergies. With spring pollen in the air and this being Esprit's first spring in southern California, allergies would not be a surprise. You really should join the FeLV email list at http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org There are people on that list who regularly take in FeLV cats and will know a lot more about it than me. (And a lot of people on that list are likely to remember Esprit.) They also could probably recommend a good FeLV friendly vet in your area. (A lot of vets will blame every sneeze on the FeLV, view treatment as useless, and recommend euthanizing immediately. It's the same way with FIV+ cats and it's so unnecessary.) In general, what you describe would not alarm me. It's one eye, just a little, and doesn't seem to effect her appetite or energy, right? But, because she is FeLV+ antibiotics might make sense. I'm going to post your email to me on the FeLV list and see what people think but I really encourage you to join yourself.
Re: any other catfood suggestions
In a message dated 3/24/07 3:04:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Science Diet CRAP? It has been proven that Science Diet (Eukanuba) use a preservative known to be a carsinogenative.. Patti her gang ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
Re: OT For those of you who use compounded drugs, for humans or for pets: Safe Drug Compounding Act of 2007
It does not yet have a Bill number as it has not been introduced yet. That makes THIS the perfect time to write your senators and representatives (as it will eventually go through the House if it passes the Senate) and tell them to NOT support it! Here is the FDA news article about it if you want more info: http://www.fdanews.com/dailies/drugdaily/3_55/news/67461-1.html It has been created by Senators Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.), and co-sponsored by Richard Burr (R-N.C.) and Pat Roberts (R-Kan.). It will first be introduced to the Senate health committee, so contacting any Senator that is from your state that is on that committee is crucial, as they have the first stroke of power to dismiss it as bad legislation. Here is that committee's info: 2007 US Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee Committee Chair: Sen.Edward M. Kennedy (DEM-MA) Sen. Bernard Sanders (IND-VT) Sen. Christopher Dodd (DEM-CT) Sen. Tom Harkin (DEM-IA) Sen. Barbara Mikulski (DEM-MD) Sen. Jeff Bingaman (DEM-NM) Sen. Patty Murray (DEM-WA) Sen. Jack Reed (DEM-RI) Sen. Hillary Clinton (DEM-NY) Sen. Barack Obama (DEM-IL) Sen. Sherrod Brown (DEM-OH) Sen. Michael B. Enzi (REP-WY) Sen. Judd Gregg (REP-NH) Sen. Lamar Alexander (REP-TN) Sen. Richard Burr (REP-NC) - is a co-sponsor Sen. Johnny Isakson (REP-GA) Sen. Lisa Murkowski (REP-AK) Sen. Orrin Hatch (REP-UT) Sen. Pat Roberts (REP-KS) - is a co-sponsor Sen. Wayne Allard (REP-CO) Sen. Tom Coburn (REP-OK) Again, to find your Senator's and Representative's contact info, go to: http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?OrderBy=stateSort=ASC Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: Another Slinky Update
It sounds like a good solid plan of action Marissa. I wish him all the best, and send manifestation energy that he DOES improve after his next dose of IR. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: Do you remember Esprit?
Well, it's a common transient herpes infection symptom, so that's something to consider. It works kind of like genital herpes in humans, it's fine until one day boom, an outbreak happens, then you treat the outbreak, and it goes away, till the next time another one flares up. Lysine would be the only thing I could suggest, if she's not already supplementing with it. Well Feline Interferon Omega would help, but it's kinda hard to get and expensive for just a little eye booger syndrome, if it's not causing him any discomfort. Even if it is Herpes, it's very treatable and not a big concern, as the outbreaks are usually limited to runny eyes and the occasional sneezing. She should watch the eye for ulcer formation, which is not as common of a symptom, but more serious. Herpes should never be treated with steroid eye ointments or drops, so unless she completely rules out herpes, do NOT use an anti-inflammatory eye medication that contains steroids. An antibiotic eye medication wouldn't hurt anything though, just on the off chance it is some kind of infection. I believe Terramycin is one that doesn't contain any steroids, just be sure to read the label, as LOTS of the commonly prescribed eye ointments and drops DO have steroids in them. Oh, and one more thing, she can give him a half a benadryl tablet (up to 12.5 MG - 1/4 tablet if he's a smaller cat)... if it is allergies, that should help substantially (but will make him groggy). Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: OT For those of you who use compounded drugs, for humans or for pets: Safe Drug Compounding Act of 2007
My senator is *awful* - but at least she is not on that committee. My congressman, on the other hand, is wonderful. He has a 100% voting record of voting like I would if I had the chance, so he has to be wonderful:) On 3/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does not yet have a Bill number as it has not been introduced yet. That makes THIS the perfect time to write your senators and representatives (as it will eventually go through the House if it passes the Senate) and tell them to NOT support it! Here is the FDA news article about it if you want more info: http://www.fdanews.com/dailies/drugdaily/3_55/news/67461-1.html It has been created by Senators Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.), and co-sponsored by Richard Burr (R-N.C.) and Pat Roberts (R-Kan.). It will first be introduced to the Senate health committee, so contacting any Senator that is from your state that is on that committee is crucial, as they have the first stroke of power to dismiss it as bad legislation. Here is that committee's info: *2007 US Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee* Committee Chair: Sen.Edward M. Kennedy (DEM-MA) Sen. Bernard Sanders (IND-VT) Sen. Christopher Dodd (DEM-CT) Sen. Tom Harkin (DEM-IA) Sen. Barbara Mikulski (DEM-MD) Sen. Jeff Bingaman (DEM-NM) Sen. Patty Murray (DEM-WA) Sen. Jack Reed (DEM-RI) Sen. Hillary Clinton (DEM-NY) Sen. Barack Obama (DEM-IL) Sen. Sherrod Brown (DEM-OH) Sen. Michael B. Enzi (REP-WY) Sen. Judd Gregg (REP-NH) Sen. Lamar Alexander (REP-TN) Sen. Richard Burr (REP-NC) - is a co-sponsor Sen. Johnny Isakson (REP-GA) Sen. Lisa Murkowski (REP-AK) Sen. Orrin Hatch (REP-UT) Sen. Pat Roberts (REP-KS) - is a co-sponsor Sen. Wayne Allard (REP-CO) Sen. Tom Coburn (REP-OK) Again, to find your Senator's and Representative's contact info, go to: http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?OrderBy=stateSort=ASC Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Kelly
I'm sorry for your loss, Kelly. tonya Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:48 PM 3/18/2007, you wrote: I am so sorry for being late to respond, I lost one of my Babies on Sat so it is hard, This may be something you have thought of but have you used the Immuno Regulin?? It is given iV and great in a crisis for their immune system, it is availabel without a Rx an Rivival Animal Health, Kelly lane Thanks for the update. Love and prayers for you and Slinky. elizabeth On 3/18/07, Marissa Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all!!! Just wanted to give you all the latest update. I brought Slinky home this afternoon The doctor called me this morning and said he was doing great and could go home. I stopped and saw him on my way to church and he was wanting to jump out of his cage and go home. :) I went back this afternoon and they said his temp is normal (101 - was 102 when I went in the morning), his BP, respirations, heart rate, etc. were all normal. He even ate quite a bit of his dry food after I left in the morning. He was alert and looking around. His gums are still pale but they're definitely pinker! When we got home I took him out of his carrier...and watched my baby boy run across the living room floor, jump up on the couch, and perch on the window sill!!! :) Considering that I wasn't sure I'd even get to bring him home, I just about burst into tears! The bill was actually pretty close to the estimate and they're going to have me continue his clavamox and baytril and give him sub-q fluids if I need them. My friend who's a vet tech will be here tonight to help me take care of him and keep an eye on him for the week. We have a follow-up appointment Thursday night to run another CBC and see where we stand. Throughout all of it, the hospital was absolutely amazing! I called 2-3 times last night for updates and they were great about getting them to me. They actually THANKED me for the opportunity to work with him and told me what a wonderful cat he is. :) Now for the not-so-happy news. He was really alert and energetic for a while...but I noticed he was starting to feel warm again. I took his temp and it got to 104 and then he moved and it came out and he wouldn't let me get it in again. :( I called the hospital to make sure I was supposed to give him his abx tonight (wanted to make sure I wasn't overdosing him after he'd been on IV abx). The doctor said to give him the abx and go ahead with sub-q fluids...but also said that she's concerned about his ability to regenerate and that she thinks I've done all I can for him...and it may be that if he's eating and alert that's a good day for him. We gave him the clavamox, baytril, some C and L-Lysine, and Hi-Vite and then started the sub-q's. Took the temp after the fluids were done and it was 104.4. I'm hoping it will go down by the time the fluid absorbs. He's seeming a bit more lethargic and sleepy now. I hate to keep poking and prodding him...it has to be frustrating for him! I'm feeling a bit discouraged...everything seemed to be going so well when I picked him up! But my friend (the vet tech) is saying that his body needs time to adjust to the new blood. I'm hoping that's what's happening...and not that his body is killing the new blood cells. Please keep up the prayers and good thoughts! I know we've done everything we can...but I really want this to work! I got my baby back for a few hours...and I want more! Thanks again for all your support and love. I'll send more info when I have it. MJ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/725 - Release Date: 3/17/2007
Re: OT - HELP, Cat crying all night long.
I have never had a cat that liked a covered box or scented litter. Mine also use the 18 gallon or larger Rubbermaid (or knock off) boxes to give them more kicking/scratching room. Obsidian may have the same preferences. I wish him all the best luck in finding a new home--a forever home this time. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 9:58 AM Subject: Re: OT - HELP, Cat crying all night long. I don't think it has been a terrible experience. We have learned something about Obsidian - he dislikes covered litter boxes and would probably be better placed with a kitty friend. It was a week and a half, so should be no more traumatic than being boarded. The adopter has learned something about herself - and yes, she is a young woman. She did have an elderly ferret previously who died after a long illness. I've never had a ferret - perhaps they are less messy - I certainly think they are smellier, cute though they are. On 3/25/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i would MUCH rather have an adopter who recognized her limitations, early on, and returned the cat that to NOT do so, and have the cat stuck there, unloved and resented. i gather this is a young woman, and this was her first critter on her own--next time she'll have a much better idea of what's involved, and be better able to decide whether she's cut out to be a cat parent. at least obsidian will be returned to a safe place, and not tossed out onto the street or into a kill shelter. MC On 3/25/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Condition of her house? Definitely get the cat back. Hope she never has a child, or a husband or live-in boyfriend, or a houseguest who stays more than two days. (If I was concerned about the condition of my house, I wouldn't let myself live in it. Just rope everything off and look at it from afar.) Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think he is coming back. She emailed me a few days ago and told me she didn't think she was cut out to be a good kitty owner. She's not home enough and is too concerned about the condition of her house. So she will bring him back to me and he and I will try again:) On 3/25/07, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe give her a t-shirt with your scent on it, or a towel or something with your other cats' scents? t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, he can sleep whereever he wants. She says he gets in bed with her for 20-30 minutes, then gets tired of that and gets out of bed and starts pacing and crying and does that until 5 am.. It almost broke my heart. She says she can't live without sleep forever, and I see her point. He apparently stops crying about 5 am, and she gets to sleep for 2 hours. That's not a good schedule for a working person. She works half a day on Friday and took a nap after getting home. He allowed her to sleep then. She says this weekend she has been sleeping from 5 am to 11 am, but she cant' do that during the week. Everyone isn't us, Nina. I wish they were, it would be so much easier. I can't keep all these cats either - if I do I can't do rescue. Though I am frustrated and aggravated right now and not wanting to do rescue at the moment. On 3/18/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley, Just by your brief explanation it sounds like this guy is confused and scared. Since he's affectionate during the day, and you hinted that she's not giving him attention at night, I'm guessing he's calling out for reassurance. Do you remember me telling the list about Sophie Matilda? I had her confined to a bathroom because she's cat aggressive. She cried day and night, (but it was worse at night), and would only settle down when I was with her. This went on for what seemed like years, but was really only days. I got very little sleep, (sleeping on a bathroom floor is not so great for my aching back either). The scariest and most upsetting part for me was wondering if she would ever stop. She actually cried herself hoarse. Well, she did settle down and start to feel safe and at home. Give us more details. Is this kitty free
Re: OT - HELP, Cat crying all night long.
don't forget, too, that too many people buy the cats are neat and tidy public-relations campaign line.. they may be neat and tidy in their own personal hygiene, but can wreak total havoc on the human's surroundings. as most of us have learned to our chagrin and amazement. (who knew a cat could get UP that high, with no climbing points) On 3/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh yeah... for sure! Too concerned for the condition of her house sounds really bad. Perhaps you would like to consider using my home visit form and doing pre-adoptive home visits? I have found that I can completely eliminate those types of adopters by a good home visit with lots of questions (it takes about 45 minutes to complete it when done right). I'd be happy to send you a copy of the form if you want it. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Do you remember Esprit?
At 08:40 AM 3/25/2007, you wrote: Totally agree. Steroids can cause the exacerbation of several things, Fungus is very common, which could turn a mild case of ringworm into a bad one, It slows healing time also. I always keep lots of tubes of Terramycin around, and use itonly if it is very bad, sometine gently cleaning with plain Normal saline eye drops ( no preservatives) is all they seem to need, I am in the middle of an out break with several cats having a runny eye, I do add a bit of lysine to theri food, but to have it really be effective I do not think they are getting enough,, Kelly Lane Well, it's a common transient herpes infection symptom, so that's something to consider. It works kind of like genital herpes in humans, it's fine until one day boom, an outbreak happens, then you treat the outbreak, and it goes away, till the next time another one flares up. Lysine would be the only thing I could suggest, if she's not already supplementing with it. Well Feline Interferon Omega would help, but it's kinda hard to get and expensive for just a little eye booger syndrome, if it's not causing him any discomfort. Even if it is Herpes, it's very treatable and not a big concern, as the outbreaks are usually limited to runny eyes and the occasional sneezing. She should watch the eye for ulcer formation, which is not as common of a symptom, but more serious. Herpes should never be treated with steroid eye ointments or drops, so unless she completely rules out herpes, do NOT use an anti-inflammatory eye medication that contains steroids. An antibiotic eye medication wouldn't hurt anything though, just on the off chance it is some kind of infection. I believe Terramycin is one that doesn't contain any steroids, just be sure to read the label, as LOTS of the commonly prescribed eye ointments and drops DO have steroids in them. Oh, and one more thing, she can give him a half a benadryl tablet (up to 12.5 MG - 1/4 tablet if he's a smaller cat)... if it is allergies, that should help substantially (but will make him groggy). Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/732 - Release Date: 3/24/2007
Re: Do you remember Esprit?
Esprit has never had this before, in well over a year since she left the Merced shelter. She's an older girl, over 5 years, and vaccinated against rhinotraceitis, and she's an only cat. So I think a sudden herpes flareup is unlikely. This is her first spring in southern California though and the plant life is very different. I know the first year in a new climate, for people and for cats, can require a little adjustment to new pollens. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's a common transient herpes infection symptom, so that's something to consider. It works kind of like genital herpes in humans, it's fine until one day boom, an outbreak happens, then you treat the outbreak, and it goes away, till the next time another one flares up. Lysine would be the only thing I could suggest, if she's not already supplementing with it. Well Feline Interferon Omega would help, but it's kinda hard to get and expensive for just a little eye booger syndrome, if it's not causing him any discomfort. Even if it is Herpes, it's very treatable and not a big concern, as the outbreaks are usually limited to runny eyes and the occasional sneezing. She should watch the eye for ulcer formation, which is not as common of a symptom, but more serious. Herpes should never be treated with steroid eye ointments or drops, so unless she completely rules out herpes, do NOT use an anti-inflammatory eye medication that contains steroids. An antibiotic eye medication wouldn't hurt anything though, just on the off chance it is some kind of infection. I believe Terramycin is one that doesn't contain any steroids, just be sure to read the label, as LOTS of the commonly prescribed eye ointments and drops DO have steroids in them. Oh, and one more thing, she can give him a half a benadryl tablet (up to 12.5 MG - 1/4 tablet if he's a smaller cat)... if it is allergies, that should help substantially (but will make him groggy). Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: Do you remember Esprit?
one of my negative coon-a-bees has developed hay-fever-type allergies in just the past three years--as have i. we're not that far from where we've lived before, but the vegetation is different and it knocks up both out (pretty bad when you're fighting with your cat over who gets the eyedrops first.) On 3/25/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Esprit has never had this before, in well over a year since she left the Merced shelter. She's an older girl, over 5 years, and vaccinated against rhinotraceitis, and she's an only cat. So I think a sudden herpes flareup is unlikely. This is her first spring in southern California though and the plant life is very different. I know the first year in a new climate, for people and for cats, can require a little adjustment to new pollens. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's a common transient herpes infection symptom, so that's something to consider. It works kind of like genital herpes in humans, it's fine until one day boom, an outbreak happens, then you treat the outbreak, and it goes away, till the next time another one flares up. Lysine would be the only thing I could suggest, if she's not already supplementing with it. Well Feline Interferon Omega would help, but it's kinda hard to get and expensive for just a little eye booger syndrome, if it's not causing him any discomfort. Even if it is Herpes, it's very treatable and not a big concern, as the outbreaks are usually limited to runny eyes and the occasional sneezing. She should watch the eye for ulcer formation, which is not as common of a symptom, but more serious. Herpes should never be treated with steroid eye ointments or drops, so unless she completely rules out herpes, do NOT use an anti-inflammatory eye medication that contains steroids. An antibiotic eye medication wouldn't hurt anything though, just on the off chance it is some kind of infection. I believe Terramycin is one that doesn't contain any steroids, just be sure to read the label, as LOTS of the commonly prescribed eye ointments and drops DO have steroids in them. Oh, and one more thing, she can give him a half a benadryl tablet (up to 12.5 MG - 1/4 tablet if he's a smaller cat)... if it is allergies, that should help substantially (but will make him groggy). Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT - HELP, Cat crying all night long.
Thanks, but I'm trying to get away from home visits altogether, although I generally end up doing one informally anyway - I took Sapphire over to his new mom's house for a trial visit to make sure he didn't freak out around the kid or the (cat-friendly) dogs. I'm practicing, as well as I can with the restrictions that are placed upon me by the local animal control, what are known as open adoptions. More info about open adoptions can be found here: http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ih_pro_adoption http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/Detail.aspx?b=860g=3042316787ce4a6e8eb13f7e1c31758d http://petsmartcharitiesblog.org/webinars/?q=node/85 Thanks so much for the offer though! On 3/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh yeah... for sure! Too concerned for the condition of her house sounds really bad. Perhaps you would like to consider using my home visit form and doing pre-adoptive home visits? I have found that I can completely eliminate those types of adopters by a good home visit with lots of questions (it takes about 45 minutes to complete it when done right). I'd be happy to send you a copy of the form if you want it. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: any other catfood suggestions
patti, hon, i don't know what you're quoting from, because i think that's phaewyrn's terminology, not mine, and even if it were, i'm pretty sure i didn't have anything to say about it yesterday! my feelings have been noted before--as have yours and phaewyrn's. we disagree. i think there are FAR worse choices than science diet-- and if we're gonna stop using everything that has or is suspected of having carcinogens in them, we may as well just give up, because we're living in a time of such corporate irresponsibility and lack of ethics that there would be rat poison in human food if it meant production costs were lower and the manufacturers thought they wouldn't be caught. i know of far more cats who have died from bacterially caused illness from being fed raw diets than can be linked to science diet... it's just NOT black and white. MC On 3/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/24/07 3:04:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Science Diet CRAP? It has been proven that Science Diet (Eukanuba) use a preservative known to be a carsinogenative.. Patti her gang -- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at *AOL.com* http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000339. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT For those of you who use compounded drugs, for humans or for pets: Safe Drug Compounding Act of 2007
I was very fortunate this election season (on the state level, and national congress level), all but ONE of the people I voted for WON! (I didn't get the right Governor) Now, if only I could get the right President! Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: Do you remember Esprit?
Yeah, try the Benadryl... if it's allergies, it will help. (and if it helps, it pretty much diagnosis it AS allergies, since benadryl only works to block the histamine response - an allergy symptom) Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: OT - HELP, Cat crying all night long.
Humm.. well, that's one option. Good luck (I will pray for your cats). I'm sure you will have much higher adoption numbers than I do. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: any other catfood suggestions
I don't have anymore to say on the issue either well, other than pointing out that the brand I feed isn't being recalled due to bad manufacturing practices and low quality testing standards. :-) Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: Do you remember Esprit?
Thanks so much for everyone responding to my questions! Yes, Esprit is an indoor, single-house cat. I give her TransferFactor on a daily basis. Her eye isn't inflamed or red-looking at all. There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with her other than the goop coming out of that one eye. I will try the Terramycin and see how it helps. Again, thank you so much! At 09:14 AM 3/25/2007, you wrote: Either way, unless it looks super inflamed and there is more than clear water type drainage I might not run to the vet, and for me that is saying something. If it is allergies Terramycin will not hurt,,,I would avoid steroid eye drops under any circumstances unless checked out by a vet, Normal Saline will help in any situation and can do no harm regardless of the cause,...I assume the cat does not go outdoor,,Is the eye red, and the 3rd eyelids up,,discolor to the corneas or cloudy looking??Could there be an injury that is just causing pain,,, these are the questions a vet would ask, Kelly one of my negative coon-a-bees has developed hay-fever-type allergies in just the past three years--as have i. we're not that far from where we've lived before, but the vegetation is different and it knocks up both out (pretty bad when you're fighting with your cat over who gets the eyedrops first.) On 3/25/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Esprit has never had this before, in well over a year since she left the Merced shelter. She's an older girl, over 5 years, and vaccinated against rhinotraceitis, and she's an only cat. So I think a sudden herpes flareup is unlikely. This is her first spring in southern California though and the plant life is very different. I know the first year in a new climate, for people and for cats, can require a little adjustment to new pollens. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's a common transient herpes infection symptom, so that's something to consider. It works kind of like genital herpes in humans, it's fine until one day boom, an outbreak happens, then you treat the outbreak, and it goes away, till the next time another one flares up. Lysine would be the only thing I could suggest, if she's not already supplementing with it. Well Feline Interferon Omega would help, but it's kinda hard to get and expensive for just a little eye booger syndrome, if it's not causing him any discomfort. Even if it is Herpes, it's very treatable and not a big concern, as the outbreaks are usually limited to runny eyes and the occasional sneezing. She should watch the eye for ulcer formation, which is not as common of a symptom, but more serious. Herpes should never be treated with steroid eye ointments or drops, so unless she completely rules out herpes, do NOT use an anti-inflammatory eye medication that contains steroids. An antibiotic eye medication wouldn't hurt anything though, just on the off chance it is some kind of infection. I believe Terramycin is one that doesn't contain any steroids, just be sure to read the label, as LOTS of the commonly prescribed eye ointments and drops DO have steroids in them. Oh, and one more thing, she can give him a half a benadryl tablet (up to 12.5 MG - 1/4 tablet if he's a smaller cat)... if it is allergies, that should help substantially (but will make him groggy). Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT For those of you who use compounded drugs, for humans or for pets: Safe Drug Compounding Act of 2007
Before I turned ucat.us into a cat resource website, it was a government information and citizen resource website. :-) Here's my old links page, some of the links are now inactive, but you get the idea: http://ucat.us/UCATlinks.html I'm very active politically, I just don't generally bring my political opinions to any of the cat groups I am on... unless someone else brings something up which I feel I can elaborate on and be useful. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: OT For those of you who use compounded drugs, for humans or for pets: Safe Drug Compounding Act of 2007
I don't think you will find it, because as of the 17th, it hadn't been submitted yet, according to the news articles. I did a search myself, and was unable to locate a bill number for it. It is possible that you could contact Senator Kennedy directly and ask to view a copy. His contact form: http://kennedy.senate.gov/senator/contact.cfm On a side note, while searching his website for the compounding act (which doesn't appear to be on there), I found this interesting article, which seems to verify that his goal is to simply put more money into the hands of the FDA, one way or another: http://kennedy.senate.gov/newsroom/press_release.cfm?id=C3A92B64-E746-40CE-A25C-16446A54C11C Perhaps he has an clandestine personal agenda in which the FDA is the sole beneficiary? Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: OT - HELP, Cat crying all night long.
No need to pray for them, they assure me they are much happier this way than they would be being killed. You know I always liked this list because it was a place to share freely without being attacked.I value that and I'd hope it would continue. On 3/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Humm.. well, that's one option. Good luck (I will pray for your cats). I'm sure you will have much higher adoption numbers than I do. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Junior update-not Lymphoma
Glad you have some good news, Sally. Go Junior! Go Junior! tonya Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone I called the vet today regarding the needle aspiration of the lymph nodes. She is confident that it is not Lymphoma. He has fatty tissue and nutrophils indicating inflammation from infection. The Baytril will help with the infection. She gave him a months supply. I reordered his Transfer Factor Plus. I think that has helped keep him stable. I must say Junior is quite the fighter. His lymph node behind his ear has been swollen for a while. The swelling would usually go down at night. He seems to has less sight than before. Most of the swelling is on the side of the good eye. I am hoping his lack of sight is temporary. The Matacam, she would only give twice a week and would be given to further reduce inflammation and pain. She wants to give the Baytril time to work before possibly using the Metacam. I feel better that Junior has seen Dr Staunton. Thanks for all your prayers and help. The Fight goes onâ¦. Sally Davis
Re: Mama Kitty
sounds like anemia. i'm way behind. i hope you have some answers by now. t elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm worried about Mama Kitty this morning. She was diagnosed almost a year ago - and rebounded very well with Acemannan. She's had a wonderful year, is at a healthy weight, and had practically reverted to kittenhood! I noticed last night though that she didn't seem to be eating. This morning she just seemed very lethargic to me - almost like a rag doll in my arms. When I let her outside - she went straight to some red clay dirt I recently dug and was eating that. Seems like I read here on the list that this is called 'Pica'. My first thought was that red clay contains a lot of iron and so perhaps she was trying to get a nutrient she needed. She ate some grass too. She really started to stress when I tried to look at her gums and so I didn't push it. I suspect she may be beginning to get anemic though...I just have a feeling. Last time she crashed (when she was first diagnosed) - that nictating membrane was showing in her eyes and she had lost a good bit of weight (down to 7lbs). Her eyes look good now - she just seems sleepy - and her weight seems good from what I can tell. It could be that she is just fighting a URI or some kind of infection. It's so much harder for them to fight off these things when they have FeVL+. I got her to eat a couple of bites of food before I left for work. I put her in her favorite chair before I left too because as lethargic as she seems, she would hardly be able to defend herself if a big dog came by and wanted to harrass her. Called the vet a bit ago and they will see her at 4pm. Maybe I am just being paranoid but with this disease I'm not taking any chances. Please send prayers and good vibes our way. elizabeth and mama kitty
Re: cat food recall-royal cannin
Can someone tell me more about the royal canin recall? I use the S/O for all my cats t Lora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops! I stand corrected. Purina does do LIMITED business with Menufoods. Purina voluntarily withdraw Mighty Dog® 5.3 ounce pouch products in response to Menu Foods recall. However, Purina Mills, Inc. manufactures the majority of Purina's products. Purina Mills, Inc. is the largest manufacturer of animal feed products in the United States, producing more than five million tons of feed each year. Through its 50 feed mills, the company produces thousands of feed formulations specially designed for various types of animals, including beef and dairy cattle, goats, horses, sheep, pigs, poultry, pets, and lab and zoo animals. Purina also operates more than 35 retail outlets, which sell animal feed, lawn and garden supplies, hardware, and related items. This reminds me of the Simply Orange juice commerical. They own the trees, the grove, the oranges. If you are going to make something you might as well own it. Purina not only owns their own products, they make it too! I just cannot believe that these high-end products like Nutro do NOT manufacture their own products! I expected better quality from them. It is really sad to find out that a common commerical food manufactures their own product when these high quality pet food companies do not. Makes you wonder if spending that extra dollar for their expensive prices tag is worth it. And as far as the Wal-Mart Special Kitty question, I found the answer. The recall was for the pouches only. The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php
Re: cat food recall-royal cannin
I want to know this too..I have the prescription veterinary recovery formula or whatever you call it...the one that is like a/d. On 3/25/07, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone tell me more about the royal canin recall? I use the S/O for all my cats t *Lora [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Oops! I stand corrected. Purina does do LIMITED business with Menufoods. Purina voluntarily withdraw Mighty Dog(r) 5.3 ounce pouch products in response to Menu Foods recall. However, Purina Mills, Inc. manufactures the majority of Purina's products. Purina Mills, Inc. is the largest manufacturer of animal feed products in the United States, producing more than five million tons of feed each year. Through its 50 feed mills, the company produces thousands of feed formulations specially designed for various types of animals, including beef and dairy cattle, goats, horses, sheep, pigs, poultry, pets, and lab and zoo animals. Purina also operates more than 35 retail outlets, which sell animal feed, lawn and garden supplies, hardware, and related items. This reminds me of the Simply Orange juice commerical. They own the trees, the grove, the oranges. If you are going to make something you might as well own it. Purina not only owns their own products, they make it too! I just cannot believe that these high-end products like Nutro do NOT manufacture their own products! I expected better quality from them. It is really sad to find out that a common commerical food manufactures their own product when these high quality pet food companies do not. Makes you wonder if spending that extra dollar for their expensive prices tag is worth it. And as far as the Wal-Mart Special Kitty question, I found the answer. The recall was for the pouches only. The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Doxy and IR and Epogen, oh my! What to do?
I'm keeping you and Slinky in my prayers. tonya Marissa Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. First, another brief update on Slinky: Last night around 2:30 his temp spiked to 106! We gave him 75 cc's of fluids and that seemed to help. It's been hovering in the 104.3-104.7 range today. Still high, but not as scary as 106. My friend is giving him fluids (both sub-q and oral), keeping him on a cold pack, and taking his temp every hour to get a good log. It seems to start rising in the evening and then spike in the middle of the night. Our vet appointment is tomorrow at 5:40. The challenge I'm trying to sort out right now is what the next steps should be. Based on my own research and all the info you guys have been so awesome to provide, it seems like there's about 3 options: Epogen to increase the red blood cells, Doxy to treat possible Hemobartanella, Immuno Regulin to stimulate his immune system. The doctor had said she'd consider Epogen if there was some regeneration after the transfusion. She was going to ask around about the IR, and she said it wouldn't be wrong to switch to Doxy. He's out of Baytril now, so I'd like to try the Doxy. The thing is...all of these treatments are going to be expensive. IR isn't too bad...and I could even take him to a cheaper vet to get it administered (after the first dose to make sure he doesn't have a big reaction). But I don't know what Doxy and Epogen will cost. And I'm not sure how much my Dad is willing to pay at this point. I'm not sure where to draw the line on trying treatments, spending money, putting him through all these things, etc. He's been very lethargic and while he seems a LITTLE pinker, he's still very pale. I mean, if he has no quality of life then I don't want to continue to torture him. But at the same time, would the drugs give him back his quality of life? Maybe? I don't know? He's still eating (though not drinking as much but will take water via syringe), so does that mean he wants to fight? Do I do all 3 drugs and see what happens? Or pick one or two? If I pick one or two, how do I decide? Or do I do them one at a time and then which do I start with? These are all the things going through my mind right now. I've got a call in to the doctor to talk to her about some of this prior to our appointment (esp. since I'd need to order IR if we're going to do it). I also have to call dad and see what he thinks. But I just don't know how to make these decisions! I feel so ill-equipped for this! All I know is that he's depending on me and I'm responsible for his care...and I have NO clue what to do!!! Any thoughts, suggestions, or advice on how to move forward would be awesome! Thanks everyone for being such an incredible support network!! GLOW to all your furkids. MJ - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
Re: cat food recall-royal cannin
I was just reading an article in the LA Times... It answered a question I asked yesterday about whether it had been substantiated by Menu Foods that the wheat from China is indeed the culprit for the poisoning. Here's part of that article: Executives at Menu Foods said Friday that they didn't know how the rat poison got into their products. They said they had stopped using an ingredient that might be responsible for the contamination. The company declined to say what it was. We'll systematically go through every ingredient and eliminate them as a possibility. said Richard Shields, Menu Foods' executive vice president. We don't believe our quality control was lax. Because aminopterin is widely used as a rodenticide in China, where Menu Foods gets wheat gluten that is used to make pet gravy for some of its pet-food brands, there is some suspicion that the country could be the origin of the problem. Although the FDA said it hadn't located the exact source of the contamination, it did say it had traced the delivery route of wheat gluten supplied to the Menu Foods plants in Kansas and New Jersey where the contaminated food was produced. Menu continues to produce pet food at the two plants. If we knew for certain that the wheat gluten from China was the culprit, then I would feel a tiny bit safer as I check every can in the house for ingredients that included wheat... How could it be that Menu Foods is systematically checking every ingredient and not have started with the ingredient under suspicion? And if they did, why haven't we been told unequivocally whether it is or isn't the ingredient responsible?? I don't know why I'm even asking such a question, when Mr. Shields has the nerve to be quoted as saying something as stupid as We don't believe our quality control was lax. My guess is he's been having more frank and open conversations with his attorneys than he's willing to have with us. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: I want to know this too..I have the prescription veterinary recovery formula or whatever you call it...the one that is like a/d. On 3/25/07, *catatonya* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone tell me more about the royal canin recall? I use the S/O for all my cats t
Re: Do you remember Esprit?
Hey, you've joined! Great! Welcome to the group. Kimberly Wah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks so much for everyone responding to my questions! Yes, Esprit is an indoor, single-house cat. I give her TransferFactor on a daily basis. Her eye isn't inflamed or red-looking at all. There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with her other than the goop coming out of that one eye. I will try the Terramycin and see how it helps. Again, thank you so much! At 09:14 AM 3/25/2007, you wrote: Either way, unless it looks super inflamed and there is more than clear water type drainage I might not run to the vet, and for me that is saying something. If it is allergies Terramycin will not hurt,,,I would avoid steroid eye drops under any circumstances unless checked out by a vet, Normal Saline will help in any situation and can do no harm regardless of the cause,...I assume the cat does not go outdoor,,Is the eye red, and the 3rd eyelids up,,discolor to the corneas or cloudy looking??Could there be an injury that is just causing pain,,, these are the questions a vet would ask, Kelly one of my negative coon-a-bees has developed hay-fever-type allergies in just the past three years--as have i. we're not that far from where we've lived before, but the vegetation is different and it knocks up both out (pretty bad when you're fighting with your cat over who gets the eyedrops first.) On 3/25/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Esprit has never had this before, in well over a year since she left the Merced shelter. She's an older girl, over 5 years, and vaccinated against rhinotraceitis, and she's an only cat. So I think a sudden herpes flareup is unlikely. This is her first spring in southern California though and the plant life is very different. I know the first year in a new climate, for people and for cats, can require a little adjustment to new pollens. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's a common transient herpes infection symptom, so that's something to consider. It works kind of like genital herpes in humans, it's fine until one day boom, an outbreak happens, then you treat the outbreak, and it goes away, till the next time another one flares up. Lysine would be the only thing I could suggest, if she's not already supplementing with it. Well Feline Interferon Omega would help, but it's kinda hard to get and expensive for just a little eye booger syndrome, if it's not causing him any discomfort. Even if it is Herpes, it's very treatable and not a big concern, as the outbreaks are usually limited to runny eyes and the occasional sneezing. She should watch the eye for ulcer formation, which is not as common of a symptom, but more serious. Herpes should never be treated with steroid eye ointments or drops, so unless she completely rules out herpes, do NOT use an anti-inflammatory eye medication that contains steroids. An antibiotic eye medication wouldn't hurt anything though, just on the off chance it is some kind of infection. I believe Terramycin is one that doesn't contain any steroids, just be sure to read the label, as LOTS of the commonly prescribed eye ointments and drops DO have steroids in them. Oh, and one more thing, she can give him a half a benadryl tablet (up to 12.5 MG - 1/4 tablet if he's a smaller cat)... if it is allergies, that should help substantially (but will make him groggy). Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: any other catfood suggestions
Neither is Friskies and Meow Mix. I caught my guys digging through the Chicken Soup and California Natural dry food to get at the Meow Mix in the bottom of the troughsuh, I mean bowls. So I caved and bought them a big bag of Meow Mix. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have anymore to say on the issue either well, other than pointing out that the brand I feed isn't being recalled due to bad manufacturing practices and low quality testing standards. :-) Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: cat food recall-royal cannin
did anyone notice that, during the first day or so of this recall, there was an announcement that they'd identified the source of the e-coli contamination from last summer? (to be honest, i didn't pay that much attention to it, because the pet-food thing was more important.) the point is that it's likely to take months for them to know for sure, IF THEY EVER DO, just what caused this, AND how far-reaching it might be. just found out that one of the FIVs we adopted out at the sanctuary was a probably victim of the early contamination; he was a little off his feed, so they gave him a can of his favorite junk food--one of the recalled brands. very quick deterioration, very much in keeping with how a rodenticide would affect a cat. GLOW for our bart, an always-gentlemanly cat who would wait for all the other cats and kittens to eat before doing so himself On 3/25/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just reading an article in the LA Times... It answered a question I asked yesterday about whether it had been substantiated by Menu Foods that the wheat from China is indeed the culprit for the poisoning. Here's part of that article: Executives at Menu Foods said Friday that they didn't know how the rat poison got into their products. They said they had stopped using an ingredient that might be responsible for the contamination. The company declined to say what it was. We'll systematically go through every ingredient and eliminate them as a possibility. said Richard Shields, Menu Foods' executive vice president. We don't believe our quality control was lax. Because aminopterin is widely used as a rodenticide in China, where Menu Foods gets wheat gluten that is used to make pet gravy for some of its pet-food brands, there is some suspicion that the country could be the origin of the problem. Although the FDA said it hadn't located the exact source of the contamination, it did say it had traced the delivery route of wheat gluten supplied to the Menu Foods plants in Kansas and New Jersey where the contaminated food was produced. Menu continues to produce pet food at the two plants. If we knew for certain that the wheat gluten from China was the culprit, then I would feel a tiny bit safer as I check every can in the house for ingredients that included wheat... How could it be that Menu Foods is systematically checking every ingredient and not have started with the ingredient under suspicion? And if they did, why haven't we been told unequivocally whether it is or isn't the ingredient responsible?? I don't know why I'm even asking such a question, when Mr. Shields has the nerve to be quoted as saying something as stupid as We don't believe our quality control was lax. My guess is he's been having more frank and open conversations with his attorneys than he's willing to have with us. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: I want to know this too..I have the prescription veterinary recovery formula or whatever you call it...the one that is like a/d. On 3/25/07, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone tell me more about the royal canin recall? I use the S/O for all my cats t -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: cat food recall-royal cannin
I would like to find a comprehensive list of all the foods Menu has anything to do with. Not the recall list but anything to do with. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 1:51 PM Subject: Re: cat food recall-royal cannin I was just reading an article in the LA Times... It answered a question I asked yesterday about whether it had been substantiated by Menu Foods that the wheat from China is indeed the culprit for the poisoning. Here's part of that article: Executives at Menu Foods said Friday that they didn't know how the rat poison got into their products. They said they had stopped using an ingredient that might be responsible for the contamination. The company declined to say what it was. We'll systematically go through every ingredient and eliminate them as a possibility. said Richard Shields, Menu Foods' executive vice president. We don't believe our quality control was lax. Because aminopterin is widely used as a rodenticide in China, where Menu Foods gets wheat gluten that is used to make pet gravy for some of its pet-food brands, there is some suspicion that the country could be the origin of the problem. Although the FDA said it hadn't located the exact source of the contamination, it did say it had traced the delivery route of wheat gluten supplied to the Menu Foods plants in Kansas and New Jersey where the contaminated food was produced. Menu continues to produce pet food at the two plants. If we knew for certain that the wheat gluten from China was the culprit, then I would feel a tiny bit safer as I check every can in the house for ingredients that included wheat... How could it be that Menu Foods is systematically checking every ingredient and not have started with the ingredient under suspicion? And if they did, why haven't we been told unequivocally whether it is or isn't the ingredient responsible?? I don't know why I'm even asking such a question, when Mr. Shields has the nerve to be quoted as saying something as stupid as We don't believe our quality control was lax. My guess is he's been having more frank and open conversations with his attorneys than he's willing to have with us. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: I want to know this too..I have the prescription veterinary recovery formula or whatever you call it...the one that is like a/d. On 3/25/07, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone tell me more about the royal canin recall? I use the S/O for all my cats t
Re: cat food recall-royal cannin
Here's a list of foods not on recall list and info on who manufactures them: http://petsitusa.com/blog/?p=210 Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to find a comprehensive list of all the foods Menu has anything to do with. Not the recall list but anything to do with. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 1:51 PM Subject: Re: cat food recall-royal cannin I was just reading an article in the LA Times... It answered a question I asked yesterday about whether it had been substantiated by Menu Foods that the wheat from China is indeed the culprit for the poisoning. Here's part of that article: Executives at Menu Foods said Friday that they didn't know how the rat poison got into their products. They said they had stopped using an ingredient that might be responsible for the contamination. The company declined to say what it was. We'll systematically go through every ingredient and eliminate them as a possibility. said Richard Shields, Menu Foods' executive vice president. We don't believe our quality control was lax. Because aminopterin is widely used as a rodenticide in China, where Menu Foods gets wheat gluten that is used to make pet gravy for some of its pet-food brands, there is some suspicion that the country could be the origin of the problem. Although the FDA said it hadn't located the exact source of the contamination, it did say it had traced the delivery route of wheat gluten supplied to the Menu Foods plants in Kansas and New Jersey where the contaminated food was produced. Menu continues to produce pet food at the two plants. If we knew for certain that the wheat gluten from China was the culprit, then I would feel a tiny bit safer as I check every can in the house for ingredients that included wheat... How could it be that Menu Foods is systematically checking every ingredient and not have started with the ingredient under suspicion? And if they did, why haven't we been told unequivocally whether it is or isn't the ingredient responsible?? I don't know why I'm even asking such a question, when Mr. Shields has the nerve to be quoted as saying something as stupid as We don't believe our quality control was lax. My guess is he's been having more frank and open conversations with his attorneys than he's willing to have with us. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: I want to know this too..I have the prescription veterinary recovery formula or whatever you call it...the one that is like a/d. On 3/25/07, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone tell me more about the royal canin recall? I use the S/O for all my cats t
Re: cat food recall-royal cannin
I'm sorry about Gentleman Bart MC. I don't think at first any of us has any idea about the magnitude of this nightmare. I think I may have mentioned to the list about my mother losing her beloved Portuguese Water Dog, Santo, a couple of months ago. He was diagnosed with sudden kidney failure that, even with Santo's advance age, puzzled the vet. I'm very sad to say that the food she had been using was on the recall list. Nina TenHouseCats wrote: did anyone notice that, during the first day or so of this recall, there was an announcement that they'd identified the source of the e-coli contamination from last summer? (to be honest, i didn't pay that much attention to it, because the pet-food thing was more important.) the point is that it's likely to take months for them to know for sure, IF THEY EVER DO, just what caused this, AND how far-reaching it might be. just found out that one of the FIVs we adopted out at the sanctuary was a probably victim of the early contamination; he was a little off his feed, so they gave him a can of his favorite junk food--one of the recalled brands. very quick deterioration, very much in keeping with how a rodenticide would affect a cat. GLOW for our bart, an always-gentlemanly cat who would wait for all the other cats and kittens to eat before doing so himself
Re: Fred - Crisis, prayers needed please
Prayers for you and Fred, Belinda. t Marissa Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Belinda! So sorry to hear this. I will definitely be praying for Fred...and for you and the dr. Give him head buts for me! GLOW to you! MJ Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Fred my CRF furkid is having some problems, I took him in to the vet last night because he gave out a meow that sounded like nothing he has ever done before and when he tried to stand and walk he did about a half turn and then plopped back to the rug and his front feet were twitching. He's been twitching off and on for a while. He's been on Norvasc for high blood pressure for a while but apparently his dose is no longer high enough, his BP was 230 at the vets yesterday. I called the vet in while he was twitching and she is very concerned about his BP, she told me to give him double his dose when I got home, he had already had his usual dose that morning. Then she said to give his regular dose in this AM and another dose in the afternoon today. He will get double what he's been getting from now on. I didn't feed or mess with him the rest of the night yesterday, and he twitched off and on all night. He was very unsteady on his feet and slept for the most part. This morning he is not himself still. He is not as unsteady and not twitching that I've noticed yet but seems very slow and just looks like he doesn't feel good. I gave him his metachloprimide and am going to feed him shortly, I'm going to wait and give him his BP med close to the time the vet opens so if I have to run him down they will be open, they open at 6:30AM, it's 6AM now. Please pray that whatever is going on, hopefully it is just his BP and the increased BP meds will control it, if not, that whatever it is we'll figure it out and can help him feel better. He looks the worse he ever has since this all started. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
Re: cat food recall-royal cannin
I followed this link to the Menu Foods FAQs. It's mostly a propaganda page, but I did see something of value there... Belinda had posted a concern over dry food as well as the wet, but according to this Menu Foods page, they only produce wet food, no dry whatsoever. So unless this tainted mystery ingredient found it's way into another manufacturer's plant, then dry food should be safe, (I have such a hard time typing the word safe right now). Nina Susan Hoffman wrote: Here's a list of foods not on recall list and info on who manufactures them: http://petsitusa.com/blog/?p=210 */Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: I would like to find a comprehensive list of all the foods Menu has anything to do with. Not the recall list but anything to do with. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Nina mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2007 1:51 PM *Subject:* Re: cat food recall-royal cannin I was just reading an article in the LA Times... It answered a question I asked yesterday about whether it had been substantiated by Menu Foods that the wheat from China is indeed the culprit for the poisoning. Here's part of that article: Executives at Menu Foods said Friday that they didn't know how the rat poison got into their products. They said they had stopped using an ingredient that might be responsible for the contamination. The company declined to say what it was. We'll systematically go through every ingredient and eliminate them as a possibility. said Richard Shields, Menu Foods' executive vice president. We don't believe our quality control was lax. Because aminopterin is widely used as a rodenticide in China, where Menu Foods gets wheat gluten that is used to make pet gravy for some of its pet-food brands, there is some suspicion that the country could be the origin of the problem. Although the FDA said it hadn't located the exact source of the contamination, it did say it had traced the delivery route of wheat gluten supplied to the Menu Foods plants in Kansas and New Jersey where the contaminated food was produced. Menu continues to produce pet food at the two plants. If we knew for certain that the wheat gluten from China was the culprit, then I would feel a tiny bit safer as I check every can in the house for ingredients that included wheat... How could it be that Menu Foods is systematically checking every ingredient and not have started with the ingredient under suspicion? And if they did, why haven't we been told unequivocally whether it is or isn't the ingredient responsible?? I don't know why I'm even asking such a question, when Mr. Shields has the nerve to be quoted as saying something as stupid as We don't believe our quality control was lax. My guess is he's been having more frank and open conversations with his attorneys than he's willing to have with us. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: I want to know this too..I have the prescription veterinary recovery formula or whatever you call it...the one that is like a/d. On 3/25/07, *catatonya* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone tell me more about the royal canin recall? I use the S/O for all my cats t
got dogs? pigs' ears recall....
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Re: cat food recall-royal cannin
The last recall Royal Canin had was almost a year ago, in February/March 2006: http://www.pandecats.com/x/rc-recall.htm http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070320/royal_canin_070320/20070320?hub=Canada Today, I know of no recent recalls, and their website doesn't list any either: http://www.royalcanin.us/ Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: Brady Add to CLS please
I'm so sorry Sherry. t Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THis sweet handsome gray tiger boy won me over at Crashs,on Sunday I noticed he didn't look well and we lost him today to FIP.He was a shy boy but I helped get him to trust.THe power of Temptations treats. :) This one really hurts.Well they all do,I don't usually get too attached to the ones that have a chance at getting adopted but I really like this guy.He didn't have felv but could we add him to the list?THanks so much Sherry - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.
Re: Junior update-not Lymphoma
Hi Tonya, Thanks... The swelling in the lymph nodes has gone down. so I guess it was infection after all. Still not sure where it originated. The most swelling was on his left side. I do not think his teeth are involved. This is just another battle in the war. Sally and Junior On 3/25/07, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad you have some good news, Sally. Go Junior! Go Junior! tonya
Re: Need Advice - Concerning Fred [kind of long]
Belinda, I'm so sorry. I would be furious too. But as Kelly said, you need to try to control yourself. You don't want to piss them off. Your vets have always been so wonderful. I know this must have really thrown you for a loop. t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't blame you for being furious either. I have learned, though, that allowing your fury to show doesn't really help your animal in most cases. Remember that being calm (or at least pretending to be) is the best way to help Fred. I also would be looking for another vet as soon as he's through this - that's how I found my current great vet. On 3/23/07, Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, Belinda. I don't blame you for being furious. You'd think that would be the first thing they'd check, wouldn't you? I don't have any advice for you about how to remain calm, since invariably in confrontations where I'm that angry, I end up bursting into tears...not helpful. I guess ideally, you let the fury rule rather than the worry and frustration, so you get that icy calm thing going. Tell them what the other vet said, what YOU found, and what you need done, stat. If the vet you're seeing does gain your trust, that's great, but if not, start looking as soon as Fred is past this. Apologize to Fred for all the extra stuff he's gone through, and tell him you're on the way to getting it fixed right. I'm sure he knows you've been trying to help, and that there was no way you could know a person you had put your trust in wouldn't be competent. Best of luck at the vet! Diane R. - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 8:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Need Advice - Concerning Fred [kind of long] Hi Guys, I'm really struggling to keep my anger under control. Fred as you know has not been doing well the last few days and I took him in Tuesday and found out his blood pressure is sky high again. Well while I was there I asked the vet if she had checked his tube entry site because for the last week there have been several occasions when I thought I felt some swelling again, but at other times I wasn't sure. Well she assured me she had and it was fine ... last night I was scratching him under his chin and found a huge lump under there again, NO mistaking it there was something there!!! Well I guess I know now part of the reason he is feeling so crappy and not bouncing back. Those who have read my last few messages about our situation know about us battling this infection for about a month and a half. They were giving me clavamox even though the second time it came back he had been on and still was on it for 2 weeks. I'm so upset and angry I am really going to be struggling to not go in there and start screaming at everyone! The vet I saw Tuesday obviously flat out lied to me, there is NO way she could have checked the site like she said and missed that. Fred has been miserable more often than not for over a month and a half because of this infection. He's very depressed now and it's going to make it that much harder to get him over this now. I have an appointment at 11:30 just to check his blood pressure, I made it before I found the lump, but am calling the second they open and telling them I want to see Dr. Munson the minute she walks in the door, her first appointment will have to wait, as far as I'm concerned this is an emergency and this time they are going to get it right The lump is three bigger than it has ever been and I know Fred is fed up and feeling pretty crappy, I hope he can find the fight to get over this hump, please, please send him prayers for strength and the will to keep fighting. My question, how do I go in there and remain sane, rational and control myself because I just want to go in there and tell everyone how incompetent I think they are but NOT before we get this infection dealt with and under control?? Please pray that I can control myself so I can get the care Fred needs. The vet I'm seeing today is one of two I haven't seen while we have been dealing with all this so hopefully she will earn my trust and know what the hell she is doing. Help me guys get my state of mind in a positive frame, it is going to be really hard this time! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged.They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to
Re: OT - HELP, Cat crying all night long.
Hi Kelley, I was surprised at how forgiving and positive you sounded when this adoption didn't work out. I just read your link to the Boulder Humane Society's open adoption program and now I understand. What a great approach! I know of many pet-worthy people in our area who have really been turned off by one of the local shelters. Wonder if it would do any good if I forwarded this link to them? H... All the best, Beth Blue, Scooter, Dash, Moxie, Will Feral, and Max the parrot On 3/25/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, but I'm trying to get away from home visits altogether, although I generally end up doing one informally anyway - I took Sapphire over to his new mom's house for a trial visit to make sure he didn't freak out around the kid or the (cat-friendly) dogs. I'm practicing, as well as I can with the restrictions that are placed upon me by the local animal control, what are known as open adoptions. More info about open adoptions can be found here: http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ih_pro_adoption http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/Detail.aspx?b=860g=3042316787ce4a6e8eb13f7e1c31758d http://petsmartcharitiesblog.org/webinars/?q=node/85 Thanks so much for the offer though! On 3/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh yeah... for sure! Too concerned for the condition of her house sounds really bad. Perhaps you would like to consider using my home visit form and doing pre-adoptive home visits? I have found that I can completely eliminate those types of adopters by a good home visit with lots of questions (it takes about 45 minutes to complete it when done right). I'd be happy to send you a copy of the form if you want it. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
