Too many cats? Never! I say.
When I moved in to care for my mother a bit ago she said, oh, my Lord! We can't tell people we have so many cats! (We had seven together.) So I said, when people ask, you tell them that you have four and when they ask me I'll tell them that I have three. And nobody will remember anyway! (Besides, everyone we know is a giant animal lover!) Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 16, 2007, at 6:13 AM, Marylyn wrote: That is exactly what the City of Louisville (KY) did. They just passed a law limiting the number of outside dogs to 3 unless you have over a 1/2 acre yard (rare). I really don't know what people are going to do because there was no clause to grandfather larger dog families in. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Gina WN To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:08 AM Subject: Re: OT: To shelter owners/volunteers-your opinion needed on sitevisit for Maltese shelter We have a four cat limit in our county. :( Gina Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I think pet limit laws are archaic and silly and should be abolished. But that's beside the point. What if the city code were 6 dogs and 5 cats and tomorrow they changed it to 3 dogs and 2 cats? I mean, you can't predict the future. What if they move somewhere where the code is only 4 dogs? How many of us have had animals 1. in excess of city codes 2. in excess of what was allowed by our landlord 3. in secret from our landlord 4...well, I think you get the point. Fortunately we don't have animal limit laws here, though the shelter limits me to 10 (personal and foster) animals at a time. They only count litters as 1, though. So all my litters, including the ones that are almost 2 years old, I count as 1. That's how I get around it. Heh. On 4/12/07, wendy wrote: Hey guys, I went on my first site visit tonight with my friend who lives here in San Antonio. The only real concern she and I both had were that the family already has 5 dogs and 5 cats. They live in a regular subdivision home in San Antonio (regular size plot-nothing too large, although the backyard is nicely sized). The municipal code says that no more than 5 dogs and 3 cats be in one home at a time. So our question, especially to shelter owners/volunteers, is this: if you know adopting a dog out, even if it's to a good family, will put that family in violation of city codes, would you do it? My friend is not the one making the decision; she's just reporting the information to the shelter. We were just curious as to what your thoughts are on this. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ __ TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Visit my Tigger Tales site! Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: Camilla and Spencer
Love and healing to Camilla and Spencer from Lilibet, Billi Bi and the 3 Orange Boyz and their mom--me. Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 16, 2007, at 9:00 PM, wendy wrote: Prayers going out for both Camilla and Spencer. :) Wendy --- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are in great need of prayers and good thoughts for these two wonderful babies. Camilla has gone down hill fast and is anemic,she is also one of Dr. Jens all time fav kitties. Spencer has the same thing that Diesel just lost his battle to.But his isn't as bad it is only swollen on one side of his throat.She is trying all that she can for these babies.THanks so much. Sherry - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: finally, the homemade-cat-food chat transcript
I'd love that! Except no to any onions, garlic, raisins, grapes or chocolate! And yes to taurine! When my ex-husband and I were married we used to eat at the coffee table sitting on the floor and my fabulous cat Boots' FAVORITE meal was veal Normande. He would just crawl all over us for more when I made it! It was really amusing! Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 16, 2007, at 11:50 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: Having just shared my dinner -- frozen turkey divan with alfredo sauce and parmesan -- with Little Sister Fuzzy Toes, it occurs to me that it might not be that difficult for SOME cats to avoid commercial catfood. A good vitamin/mineral supplement and whatever I'm having should work. elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for this, Mary Christine. elizabeth On 4/16/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but if you're looking for quick fixes, one-size-fits-all, it's not here. this talks about the basics of nutrition and how to make sure you meet each cat's individual needs. http://www.cathobbyist.com/articles/HomemadeDietsForCats.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
OT - Good news for Joey's Kitty Buddy
She's being adopted - by my vet! He likes her:) and she likes him:) -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Stamp went to the bridge
Beth, I'm so sorry for your loss. Kelley On 4/17/07, Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the FIP, was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic. Beth Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Stamp went to the bridge
*FIP is such a horrid disease... I'm so, so sorry for your loss. The Orion Foundation used to have beautiful pins to support FIP research and to wear in memory of those lost to FIP. I have one for both Gabby and Albert (siblings lost to FIP) and wear it all the time - It's a wonderful way to remember them, and give to a good cause. Visit http://www.orionfoundation.com/* *Leslie =^..^=* On 4/17/07, Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the FIP, was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic. Beth -- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48245/*http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html;_ylc=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM- -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Stamp went to the bridge
I'm saddened to see that Stamp has passed. I remember the story of him being named Stamp because he was found at a post office... one of many things about him I'm sure you'll treasure. You're in my prayers. Take care. Lance On Apr 17, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Gussies mom wrote: I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the FIP, was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic. Beth Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: Could VO help an asymptomatic FeLV+ cat?
It's wonderful to hear Ember is doing well. That was such a scary episode with her anemia symptoms. I have long suspected that FIO might be useful in treating kitties when they first contract the disease to fight it off. Unfortunately, we don't have the research to prove or disprove that. You asked for thoughts and opinions... If my memory serves me correctly, FIO lasts a year before reconstitution in the fridge. I think if it were me, I'd order it as a safeguard measure to keep close in case it's needed. I'm betting if you started to near the expiration date, there would be someone on the list willing to buy it from you. I don't know about using it on asymptomatic kitties. Who knows, it might help in some way. I would probably use Interferon A while she's asymptomatic to help her stay that way. I think it's Gloria that has used the IA that way and had kitties crash when she took them off it, (I've used IA off and on when symptoms presented, but not consistently while they were feeling good). I don't know Lance, it's such a crap shoot, I so wish we had more answers. My best advice is to follow your intuition and do what your heart tells you. Along with fighting felv, the next big battle is fighting the potential what ifs. Hugs to you and Ember, Nina Lance wrote: Hello all, I'm sorry that I haven't been posting any lately. I've seen some sad news, and my heart goes out to all who have lost feline friends in the last few weeks. I have a question that will be hard to answer. Really, I'm looking for thoughts and opinions, since I don't think we know enough about Virbagen Omega and feleuk. My vet was recently approved by the FDA to import the standard course of VO for Ember. I have put money aside for quite awhile, hoping that we would get this chance. The thing is, Ember is, for the most part, asymptomatic. She did have an odd spell of anemia (down to 19 last October and subsequently back to 35 for the last few vet visits, starting in November). She also had especially low wbc at the same time, which is now back to low-normal. She seems to have developed a food allergy to Innova EVO dry, though she tolerates EVO canned (and now Felidae) just fine. Ember will have another ELISA to verify her status. If she is still positive, do you think we should go ahead with the VO, even though she seems to be doing pretty well? Thanks, Lance
Re: Fwd: ACT NOW: FDA Forbidding AllAlternative HealthCare
Thanks for the heads up Lance. I'm going to forward it to the woman that helped me with Gypsy's homeopathic regime. Nina Lance wrote: This was sent to me by Ember's homeopathic vet. It may be of interest to some of you. Lance
Re: Stamp went to the bridge
Beth, I am so sorry about little Stamp. My heart goes out to you. :) Wendy --- Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the FIP, was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic. Beth - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Stamp went to the bridge
I forgot about this until Lance mentioned it. I love how Stamp got his name too. He was lucky to have you Beth. :) Wendy --- Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm saddened to see that Stamp has passed. I remember the story of him being named Stamp because he was found at a post office... one of many things about him I'm sure you'll treasure. You're in my prayers. Take care. Lance On Apr 17, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Gussies mom wrote: I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the FIP, was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic. Beth Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Stamp went to the bridge
Beth, I am so very sorry. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 4/17/07, Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the FIP, was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic. Beth -- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48245/*http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html;_ylc=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM-
Re: OT - Good news for Joey's Kitty Buddy
That's so cool!!! I bet being a vet's pet is quite a treat! :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She's being adopted - by my vet! He likes her:) and she likes him:) -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: OT - Good news for Joey's Kitty Buddy
I was really surprised. He's seen 40 or 50 of my rescue cats over the last year or so and never wanted to adopt one before. I was shocked. On 4/17/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's so cool!!! I bet being a vet's pet is quite a treat! :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She's being adopted - by my vet! He likes her:) and she likes him:) -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Could VO help an asymptomatic FeLV+ cat?
Hey Lance, I tend to be in agreement with Nina. Listen to your heart and gut. If it were me, I would be hesitant to do anything differently if my kitty were asymptomatic. Can your vet put off ordering the VO or order it for other client's symptomatic kitties to see how it works? Does his FDA approval have an expiration? I have seen good things about VO from European users. You might query the archives and see what pulls up on it because I know it's been discussed here before. :) Wendy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's wonderful to hear Ember is doing well. That was such a scary episode with her anemia symptoms. I have long suspected that FIO might be useful in treating kitties when they first contract the disease to fight it off. Unfortunately, we don't have the research to prove or disprove that. You asked for thoughts and opinions... If my memory serves me correctly, FIO lasts a year before reconstitution in the fridge. I think if it were me, I'd order it as a safeguard measure to keep close in case it's needed. I'm betting if you started to near the expiration date, there would be someone on the list willing to buy it from you. I don't know about using it on asymptomatic kitties. Who knows, it might help in some way. I would probably use Interferon A while she's asymptomatic to help her stay that way. I think it's Gloria that has used the IA that way and had kitties crash when she took them off it, (I've used IA off and on when symptoms presented, but not consistently while they were feeling good). I don't know Lance, it's such a crap shoot, I so wish we had more answers. My best advice is to follow your intuition and do what your heart tells you. Along with fighting felv, the next big battle is fighting the potential what ifs. Hugs to you and Ember, Nina Lance wrote: Hello all, I'm sorry that I haven't been posting any lately. I've seen some sad news, and my heart goes out to all who have lost feline friends in the last few weeks. I have a question that will be hard to answer. Really, I'm looking for thoughts and opinions, since I don't think we know enough about Virbagen Omega and feleuk. My vet was recently approved by the FDA to import the standard course of VO for Ember. I have put money aside for quite awhile, hoping that we would get this chance. The thing is, Ember is, for the most part, asymptomatic. She did have an odd spell of anemia (down to 19 last October and subsequently back to 35 for the last few vet visits, starting in November). She also had especially low wbc at the same time, which is now back to low-normal. She seems to have developed a food allergy to Innova EVO dry, though she tolerates EVO canned (and now Felidae) just fine. Ember will have another ELISA to verify her status. If she is still positive, do you think we should go ahead with the VO, even though she seems to be doing pretty well? Thanks, Lance Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: OT - Good news for Joey's Kitty Buddy
That says good things about you too Kelley. He probably wouldn't adopt from someone he didn't trust. --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was really surprised. He's seen 40 or 50 of my rescue cats over the last year or so and never wanted to adopt one before. I was shocked. On 4/17/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's so cool!!! I bet being a vet's pet is quite a treat! :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She's being adopted - by my vet! He likes her:) and she likes him:) -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Home made turkey recipe/more recipes
Nina thanks for the recipe, will print it out to add to my growing collection. Aunt Darla’s Irish Turkey In large bowl, combine dry ingredients: * Cooked Turkey: Minced 3 -4 cups (1.2 -1.5 lbs) * Med boiled Egg: 2 finely minced whole * Cooked turkey liver heart: minced (or 20,000 IU Vita A 400 IU Vita D) -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.
I just ordered both of those books on Amazon.com it was exactly cheap but they are getting hard to find, as it is I won't get the pitcairn book until the first or second week of May and the other the end of April. I've been cooking for Fred and will gradually switch the others, right now I just want to get Fred eating enough, he's my CRF guy. My vet is still fighting me on the feeding tube, I'm going to weigh him each day until the 25 and then we'll see if he's gaining, maintaining or losing. So far he gained an oz from the 15th to the 16th. He doesn't look like it he is so bony. Wish me luck, my guys are having a hard time giving up their Fancy Feast, I'm so worried and want to get them off any processed food as soon as possible. I've got the texture stuff pretty well figured out, because their food has to have the same texture as their Fancy feast, my guys are very texture oriented. But the right vitamins and minerals they need is where I'm having problems, that's why I ordered the books, plus to get a little variety in their diet. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Stamp went to the bridge
Aw Beth. So sorry to hear this!!! I was hoping he'd pull through. GLOW and hugs to you!! MJ Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the FIP, was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic. Beth - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears, one destroys. --Chief Dan George I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948) - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: Stamp went to the bridge
Beth, Something that helps me is to write memorials to them. To just sit down and through my tears write all the wonderful quirky memories I'm grateful for. To place among pasted pictures free flow words of love and peace. Blessings to you in your grief my dear. Stamp was loved and he loved in return. Thank you so much for giving him a chance to know what HOME means. He gets to take that with him and leave it behind with you as well. Nina Gussies mom wrote: I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the FIP, was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic. Beth Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48245/*http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html;_ylc=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM-
RE: Stamp went to the bridge
I'm so sorry, Beth. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gussies mom Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:11 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Stamp went to the bridge I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the FIP, was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic. Beth Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48245/*http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html; _ylc=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM - This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: Stamp went to the bridge
Poor Stamp. I'm sure my big kitty Jack Jack (he passed away from hypertrophic cardiomyopathy last spring) has met him already. He's quite a kitty love bug. Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 17, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Gussies mom wrote: I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the FIP, was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic. Beth Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Fwd: [feline-hyperT] OT:Natural Balance-Melamine
Note: forwarded message attached. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---BeginMessage--- Natural Balance Pet Foods said Tuesday it found melamine in two of its pet food products, which the company has recalled. But Natural Balance doesn't use wheat gluten, the ingredient contaminated with melamine in the Menu recall. Instead, it suspects that melamine was in a rice protein concentrate, a new ingredient used in the dry foods, said Natural Balance president Joey Herrick. That was the only change in the product, he says. The concentrate is now being tested, he added. Melamine was detected in samples of the food. The recalled foods are: Venison Brown Rice Dry Dog Food and Venison Green Pea Dry Cat Foods. Whether other pet food makers got the same rice protein concentrate is unclear at this time. Herrick says the food was made for Natural Balance by Diamond Pet Foods. Read More at: http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/2007-04-17-premium-pet-food-recalled_N.htm Candace [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---End Message---
Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.
Good luck! Kitties can be sooo fussy--which is why we LOVE them! I still have not found the correct mix of vities, mins and other goodies cats must have so when you find out. . . . . Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 17, 2007, at 9:00 AM, Belinda wrote: I just ordered both of those books on Amazon.com it was exactly cheap but they are getting hard to find, as it is I won't get the pitcairn book until the first or second week of May and the other the end of April. I've been cooking for Fred and will gradually switch the others, right now I just want to get Fred eating enough, he's my CRF guy. My vet is still fighting me on the feeding tube, I'm going to weigh him each day until the 25 and then we'll see if he's gaining, maintaining or losing. So far he gained an oz from the 15th to the 16th. He doesn't look like it he is so bony. Wish me luck, my guys are having a hard time giving up their Fancy Feast, I'm so worried and want to get them off any processed food as soon as possible. I've got the texture stuff pretty well figured out, because their food has to have the same texture as their Fancy feast, my guys are very texture oriented. But the right vitamins and minerals they need is where I'm having problems, that's why I ordered the books, plus to get a little variety in their diet. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Could VO help an asymptomatic FeLV+ cat?
I'm such a newbie here: What's VO and what's FIO? Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 17, 2007, at 11:36 AM, wendy wrote: Hey Lance, I tend to be in agreement with Nina. Listen to your heart and gut. If it were me, I would be hesitant to do anything differently if my kitty were asymptomatic. Can your vet put off ordering the VO or order it for other client's symptomatic kitties to see how it works? Does his FDA approval have an expiration? I have seen good things about VO from European users. You might query the archives and see what pulls up on it because I know it's been discussed here before. :) Wendy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's wonderful to hear Ember is doing well. That was such a scary episode with her anemia symptoms. I have long suspected that FIO might be useful in treating kitties when they first contract the disease to fight it off. Unfortunately, we don't have the research to prove or disprove that. You asked for thoughts and opinions... If my memory serves me correctly, FIO lasts a year before reconstitution in the fridge. I think if it were me, I'd order it as a safeguard measure to keep close in case it's needed. I'm betting if you started to near the expiration date, there would be someone on the list willing to buy it from you. I don't know about using it on asymptomatic kitties. Who knows, it might help in some way. I would probably use Interferon A while she's asymptomatic to help her stay that way. I think it's Gloria that has used the IA that way and had kitties crash when she took them off it, (I've used IA off and on when symptoms presented, but not consistently while they were feeling good). I don't know Lance, it's such a crap shoot, I so wish we had more answers. My best advice is to follow your intuition and do what your heart tells you. Along with fighting felv, the next big battle is fighting the potential what ifs. Hugs to you and Ember, Nina Lance wrote: Hello all, I'm sorry that I haven't been posting any lately. I've seen some sad news, and my heart goes out to all who have lost feline friends in the last few weeks. I have a question that will be hard to answer. Really, I'm looking for thoughts and opinions, since I don't think we know enough about Virbagen Omega and feleuk. My vet was recently approved by the FDA to import the standard course of VO for Ember. I have put money aside for quite awhile, hoping that we would get this chance. The thing is, Ember is, for the most part, asymptomatic. She did have an odd spell of anemia (down to 19 last October and subsequently back to 35 for the last few vet visits, starting in November). She also had especially low wbc at the same time, which is now back to low-normal. She seems to have developed a food allergy to Innova EVO dry, though she tolerates EVO canned (and now Felidae) just fine. Ember will have another ELISA to verify her status. If she is still positive, do you think we should go ahead with the VO, even though she seems to be doing pretty well? Thanks, Lance Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.
What about a single source protein, like turkey or chicken, and a separate vitamin/mineral supplement. Most of mine will kill you to get at roast bird of any sort. Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good luck! Kitties can be sooo fussy--which is why we LOVE them! I still have not found the correct mix of vities, mins and other goodies cats must have so when you find out. . . . . Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 17, 2007, at 9:00 AM, Belinda wrote: I just ordered both of those books on Amazon.com it was exactly cheap but they are getting hard to find, as it is I won't get the pitcairn book until the first or second week of May and the other the end of April. I've been cooking for Fred and will gradually switch the others, right now I just want to get Fred eating enough, he's my CRF guy. My vet is still fighting me on the feeding tube, I'm going to weigh him each day until the 25 and then we'll see if he's gaining, maintaining or losing. So far he gained an oz from the 15th to the 16th. He doesn't look like it he is so bony. Wish me luck, my guys are having a hard time giving up their Fancy Feast, I'm so worried and want to get them off any processed food as soon as possible. I've got the texture stuff pretty well figured out, because their food has to have the same texture as their Fancy feast, my guys are very texture oriented. But the right vitamins and minerals they need is where I'm having problems, that's why I ordered the books, plus to get a little variety in their diet. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.
Mine average one such meal a day and two meals of commercial catfood. Wish turkey was as cheap yearround as it is around Thanksgiving. I could afford to increase the shredded deboned turkey and decrease the catfood. It seems like every day something new lands on the recall/contaminated list. Now that Natural Balance, which does not even contain wheat gluten, has been recalled, it feels like nothing is safe. Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, absolutely! Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 17, 2007, at 5:05 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: What about a single source protein, like turkey or chicken, and a separate vitamin/mineral supplement. Most of mine will kill you to get at roast bird of any sort. Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good luck! Kitties can be sooo fussy--which is why we LOVE them! I still have not found the correct mix of vities, mins and other goodies cats must have so when you find out. . . . . Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 17, 2007, at 9:00 AM, Belinda wrote: I just ordered both of those books on Amazon.com it was exactly cheap but they are getting hard to find, as it is I won't get the pitcairn book until the first or second week of May and the other the end of April. I've been cooking for Fred and will gradually switch the others, right now I just want to get Fred eating enough, he's my CRF guy. My vet is still fighting me on the feeding tube, I'm going to weigh him each day until the 25 and then we'll see if he's gaining, maintaining or losing. So far he gained an oz from the 15th to the 16th. He doesn't look like it he is so bony. Wish me luck, my guys are having a hard time giving up their Fancy Feast, I'm so worried and want to get them off any processed food as soon as possible. I've got the texture stuff pretty well figured out, because their food has to have the same texture as their Fancy feast, my guys are very texture oriented. But the right vitamins and minerals they need is where I'm having problems, that's why I ordered the books, plus to get a little variety in their diet. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Stamp went to the bridge
I am so sorry for your loss. I am sure Stamp is very grateful for all the love he has received. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Gussies mom To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:11 AM Subject: Stamp went to the bridge I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the FIP, was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic. Beth -- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.1/764 - Release Date: 4/17/2007 4:43 AM
Re: Could VO help an asymptomatic FeLV+ cat?
They're the same thing. FIO is feline interferon omega (the generic name) and VO is Virbagen Omega, Virbac's trade name for FIO. VO (or FIO) is feline-specific interferon. Many of us here give low-dose human interferon to our FeLV cats. While it would seem that this helps the immune system, it would be nice if we could give it in high doses. Unfortunately, high dose human interferon isn't good for a number of reasons, one of which being that the cat develops a tolerance to human interferon, and it can no longer be used to any effect. On the other hand, since VO is feline specific, it can be used in high doses. Unfortunately, it's very expensive and hard to get here in the US, where one has to go through the FDA to acquire it. For those who live across the pond, the availability isn't a problem. Lance On Apr 17, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Taylor Scobie Humphrey wrote: I'm such a newbie here: What's VO and what's FIO? Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 17, 2007, at 11:36 AM, wendy wrote: Hey Lance, I tend to be in agreement with Nina. Listen to your heart and gut. If it were me, I would be hesitant to do anything differently if my kitty were asymptomatic. Can your vet put off ordering the VO or order it for other client's symptomatic kitties to see how it works? Does his FDA approval have an expiration? I have seen good things about VO from European users. You might query the archives and see what pulls up on it because I know it's been discussed here before. :) Wendy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's wonderful to hear Ember is doing well. That was such a scary episode with her anemia symptoms. I have long suspected that FIO might be useful in treating kitties when they first contract the disease to fight it off. Unfortunately, we don't have the research to prove or disprove that. You asked for thoughts and opinions... If my memory serves me correctly, FIO lasts a year before reconstitution in the fridge. I think if it were me, I'd order it as a safeguard measure to keep close in case it's needed. I'm betting if you started to near the expiration date, there would be someone on the list willing to buy it from you. I don't know about using it on asymptomatic kitties. Who knows, it might help in some way. I would probably use Interferon A while she's asymptomatic to help her stay that way. I think it's Gloria that has used the IA that way and had kitties crash when she took them off it, (I've used IA off and on when symptoms presented, but not consistently while they were feeling good). I don't know Lance, it's such a crap shoot, I so wish we had more answers. My best advice is to follow your intuition and do what your heart tells you. Along with fighting felv, the next big battle is fighting the potential what ifs. Hugs to you and Ember, Nina Lance wrote: Hello all, I'm sorry that I haven't been posting any lately. I've seen some sad news, and my heart goes out to all who have lost feline friends in the last few weeks. I have a question that will be hard to answer. Really, I'm looking for thoughts and opinions, since I don't think we know enough about Virbagen Omega and feleuk. My vet was recently approved by the FDA to import the standard course of VO for Ember. I have put money aside for quite awhile, hoping that we would get this chance. The thing is, Ember is, for the most part, asymptomatic. She did have an odd spell of anemia (down to 19 last October and subsequently back to 35 for the last few vet visits, starting in November). She also had especially low wbc at the same time, which is now back to low-normal. She seems to have developed a food allergy to Innova EVO dry, though she tolerates EVO canned (and now Felidae) just fine. Ember will have another ELISA to verify her status. If she is still positive, do you think we should go ahead with the VO, even though she seems to be doing pretty well? Thanks, Lance Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Could VO help an asymptomatic FeLV+ cat?
Thank you so much, Lance! Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 17, 2007, at 6:51 PM, Lance wrote: They're the same thing. FIO is feline interferon omega (the generic name) and VO is Virbagen Omega, Virbac's trade name for FIO. VO (or FIO) is feline-specific interferon. Many of us here give low-dose human interferon to our FeLV cats. While it would seem that this helps the immune system, it would be nice if we could give it in high doses. Unfortunately, high dose human interferon isn't good for a number of reasons, one of which being that the cat develops a tolerance to human interferon, and it can no longer be used to any effect. On the other hand, since VO is feline specific, it can be used in high doses. Unfortunately, it's very expensive and hard to get here in the US, where one has to go through the FDA to acquire it. For those who live across the pond, the availability isn't a problem. Lance On Apr 17, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Taylor Scobie Humphrey wrote: I'm such a newbie here: What's VO and what's FIO? Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 17, 2007, at 11:36 AM, wendy wrote: Hey Lance, I tend to be in agreement with Nina. Listen to your heart and gut. If it were me, I would be hesitant to do anything differently if my kitty were asymptomatic. Can your vet put off ordering the VO or order it for other client's symptomatic kitties to see how it works? Does his FDA approval have an expiration? I have seen good things about VO from European users. You might query the archives and see what pulls up on it because I know it's been discussed here before. :) Wendy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's wonderful to hear Ember is doing well. That was such a scary episode with her anemia symptoms. I have long suspected that FIO might be useful in treating kitties when they first contract the disease to fight it off. Unfortunately, we don't have the research to prove or disprove that. You asked for thoughts and opinions... If my memory serves me correctly, FIO lasts a year before reconstitution in the fridge. I think if it were me, I'd order it as a safeguard measure to keep close in case it's needed. I'm betting if you started to near the expiration date, there would be someone on the list willing to buy it from you. I don't know about using it on asymptomatic kitties. Who knows, it might help in some way. I would probably use Interferon A while she's asymptomatic to help her stay that way. I think it's Gloria that has used the IA that way and had kitties crash when she took them off it, (I've used IA off and on when symptoms presented, but not consistently while they were feeling good). I don't know Lance, it's such a crap shoot, I so wish we had more answers. My best advice is to follow your intuition and do what your heart tells you. Along with fighting felv, the next big battle is fighting the potential what ifs. Hugs to you and Ember, Nina Lance wrote: Hello all, I'm sorry that I haven't been posting any lately. I've seen some sad news, and my heart goes out to all who have lost feline friends in the last few weeks. I have a question that will be hard to answer. Really, I'm looking for thoughts and opinions, since I don't think we know enough about Virbagen Omega and feleuk. My vet was recently approved by the FDA to import the standard course of VO for Ember. I have put money aside for quite awhile, hoping that we would get this chance. The thing is, Ember is, for the most part, asymptomatic. She did have an odd spell of anemia (down to 19 last October and subsequently back to 35 for the last few vet visits, starting in November). She also had especially low wbc at the same time, which is now back to low-normal. She seems to have developed a food allergy to Innova EVO dry, though she tolerates EVO canned (and now Felidae) just fine. Ember will have another ELISA to verify her status. If she is still positive, do you think we should go ahead with the VO, even though she seems to be doing pretty well? Thanks, Lance Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: A couple of pictures I took of Tomi today
He is beautiful! tonya
update on Cassidy
Well Cassidy has to go to Best Friends soon after May 1st. They can't wait until July 1st for me to get a second IFA, but they said they'd keep him apart from the other FeLV cats if there was any doubt as to his status. But, I wonder what they consider doubt. I'd hate to expose him and he turns up negative in the future. And then there's the problem of funding the trip. I don't know how to come up with just the gas money before May 1st! Do you guys know of any place to turn to for help in a hurry? I figure it will cost me at least $240 for gas round trip. Plus, according to Map Quest, the drive is a little over 18 hours! That'll mean lodging along the way and at the destination. Then lodging on the way home unless I can get someone to take turns driving/sleeping. I know! Maybe I'll just hitch a ride with a trucker! They're used to long days like that! (Just kidding of course). Then there's the fact that I still don't have his first IFA test results (just the Elisa). I'm so frustrated by my vet's office! I like my vet quite a bit, but some of the helpers are a bunch of, pardon me, morons! I'm sure I couldn't do they're jobs, but I know I could keep things straight. They told me today that the lab work for Cassidy's IFA got lost in the mail, at the lab, somewhere. My guess is they forgot to send it, and now they need another sample. Who knows, but now we're really pushing the deadline for his trip to Utah. They want him to come in on Monday since they won't send to the lab until next week anyway. I think that if they won't put a rush on it (like tomorrow), then I'll just have to find a vet who will. Furthermore, I called this morning about my two rescues in the garage. One has the squirts, but I can't figure out which one. I can never catch them in the act! I wanted to know what I should do, and I also called to get Bandit's Prozac refilled. Okay, the receptionist takes down the info, and says they'll call back. So, I finally get a call back late in the afternoon (I had called early in the morning). The message they left was something about Bandit needing blood drawn again (but Cassidy's the one who actually needs it), and the rest of the message said that the food I wanted would be there in the morning. What?!?! I didn't ask for food; Cassidy needs the blood work; what about the diarrhea?; what about the Prozac? G! Sorry I'm ranting, but seriously! So, I called back and politely explained the real situation. Sometimes one of the workers there (or several) just seem like complete space-cadets! I know we all have off days, but they seem to more than most. If I didn't like my vet so much.well, I suppose there are other likeable vets around.I just hate to travel too far since the car ride is usually traumatizing enough. Thanks for listening to me complain. I needed to vent. I know many of you are going through much worse situations and are dealing with a lot of sadness, so I'm sorry if my complaints seem trivial! I'm still not sure what I'll do with Cassidy. I'm just hoping his IFA comes back negative, but I know that's not going to happen. But, he's so healthy now, I just hope he has a wonderfully, long life. Melissa
Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.
I will post some of the recipes when I get the book. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.
Good idea. Consider adding a bit of mashed potatoes to the liquid mix to provide a gravy. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.
Wish my guys liked turkey but they really don't, they like chicken so that's what I get. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
