Re: MeMe
Oh, dear MeMe with the wonderful name! You WILL get rid of the giardia. Just be careful not to drink out of any glasses or mugs she has put her paw into. That's how I got giardia! I remember thinking, oh how cute! And later drinking out of that glass and a week or two later, bingo! I later told my vet and the head vet tech and, boy, did they laugh! If you DO get it it'll go away eventually if you're healthy. ~~Oh, ack! Lilibet just jumped up on my desk to show me--a roach from the basement! She is so pleased! I thought I heard her delicate little voice! She's the one who taught the Three Orange Boys how to kill their prey by bringing them various bugs she would catch. So she's taken it to them and they're very happy, too. I don't mind roaches--except that they're IN MY (mother's) BASEMENT! Ick! I thought I could get 'em with those roach things you hide around in the backs of cupboards, but NO! Crap! She actually just brought it to me again and it wasn't looking so good by then--so proud!--and then took it back to the babies a second time. Very exciting early AM here!~~ Lilibet also has a runny eye, which, of course, she arrived with. Sometimes it runs and sometimes she sneezes. I think MeMe's wellness program is working! If you google purring or cats purring you'l eventually find info on the healing power of purring! Pretty neat stuff! Oh--and you know what else? She knows she's sick but she also knows she loves you and you love her and that's stronger than any sickness. Love from the cats over here! And me, too. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 7, 2007, at 8:53 AM, Jane Lyons wrote: Thanks for asking about her. I welcome the chance to talk about her to people who know and live with this disease. One thing I've learned in these past 12 days is there is no consistency or statics. We've gotten rid of swollen glands and very bad breath, but sneezes and a runny eye are back. We've begun the Panacur, and have to suspend FortiFlora for 5 days, so that we can get her to eat the Panacur in her food. She has had diarrhea since we got her, and I don't think we can accomplish very much until we get rid of it ( Giardia.) She gets Maitake-DMG twice a day. She is eating bits of Archetype that my vet recommended, but she is a Fancy Feast addict which cannot be helping. She has good days and not so good days. She is always sweet and seemingly happy with the attention and care she is getting. I've decided that as part of her wellness program, she will have 'bliss therapy' which means purring as deeply and loudly as possible, for as much time as possible. I'm hoping it is an immunity booster. I am struggling with staying in 'present time' and trying to shake the deep sadness I feel when she purrs as I pick her up. Jane
Re: MeMe
Sounds like she is trying to teach you to hunt. Be careful with those things you sit around. You don't want a cat playing with them. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 1:12 AM Subject: Re: MeMe Oh, dear MeMe with the wonderful name! You WILL get rid of the giardia. Just be careful not to drink out of any glasses or mugs she has put her paw into. That's how I got giardia! I remember thinking, oh how cute! And later drinking out of that glass and a week or two later, bingo! I later told my vet and the head vet tech and, boy, did they laugh! If you DO get it it'll go away eventually if you're healthy. ~~Oh, ack! Lilibet just jumped up on my desk to show me--a roach from the basement! She is so pleased! I thought I heard her delicate little voice! She's the one who taught the Three Orange Boys how to kill their prey by bringing them various bugs she would catch. So she's taken it to them and they're very happy, too. I don't mind roaches--except that they're IN MY (mother's) BASEMENT! Ick! I thought I could get 'em with those roach things you hide around in the backs of cupboards, but NO! Crap! She actually just brought it to me again and it wasn't looking so good by then--so proud!--and then took it back to the babies a second time. Very exciting early AM here!~~ Lilibet also has a runny eye, which, of course, she arrived with. Sometimes it runs and sometimes she sneezes. I think MeMe's wellness program is working! If you google purring or cats purring you'l eventually find info on the healing power of purring! Pretty neat stuff! Oh--and you know what else? She knows she's sick but she also knows she loves you and you love her and that's stronger than any sickness. Love from the cats over here! And me, too. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 7, 2007, at 8:53 AM, Jane Lyons wrote: Thanks for asking about her. I welcome the chance to talk about her to people who know and live with this disease. One thing I've learned in these past 12 days is there is no consistency or statics. We've gotten rid of swollen glands and very bad breath, but sneezes and a runny eye are back. We've begun the Panacur, and have to suspend FortiFlora for 5 days, so that we can get her to eat the Panacur in her food. She has had diarrhea since we got her, and I don't think we can accomplish very much until we get rid of it ( Giardia.) She gets Maitake-DMG twice a day. She is eating bits of Archetype that my vet recommended, but she is a Fancy Feast addict which cannot be helping. She has good days and not so good days. She is always sweet and seemingly happy with the attention and care she is getting. I've decided that as part of her wellness program, she will have 'bliss therapy' which means purring as deeply and loudly as possible, for as much time as possible. I'm hoping it is an immunity booster. I am struggling with staying in 'present time' and trying to shake the deep sadness I feel when she purrs as I pick her up. Jane
PLEASE Pray for my Charity....
As most of you remember, Charity [feral mom dumped w/ babies] I have a
long controversial history.. [She got out of taped-up box, so I had
Timmy Thomas as bottle babies. ]
I was able to trap her, but she escaped while I was cleaning her crate
[post spaying thank heavens]. I decided not to re-trap her since I had a
special
area for ALL the strays/ferals here. And, also, she had me in ER so many
times... Clearly, she disliked humans, and after being tossed out like
trash
I couldn't blame her. I believed she had been somebody's cat once upon a
time when she had babies, well, they DUMPED them (Education IS the
key. Spay/Neuter all your babies)
So, I believed as long as she always had food shelter [here], it would be
less stressful than trying to re-trap her. And, she had her constant
companion, Black Bart
However, life can change so fast...
I had my MVA, my room mate was NOT tending my stray/feral area when I
finally got home from hosp., o my way to Dr. I saw Charity running across the
very heavily traveled, busy road I live on So, despite all my handicaps
I made a promise right then that I would tend to my stray/feral area... Even
opened up the barn so they could get indoors when weather turned bad..
So, I was very concerned about the cats I'd been tending to, but, I managed
to hobble out to barn area to feed water, put fresh bedding out, etc.
(And barn is W-A-Y back in yard, never a problem before MVA, but after, well,
it's very difficult for me to get there) But, da_n it, I made a promise
to these lost souls..
I was thrilled when I saw Charity Bart back in the area.. Made me even
more determined to get out there so they wouldn't wander get killed on the
road..
Which I did. But, the snow and ice this winter really made it even more
difficult.. But, despite my problems, I kept barn open, re-insulated
spots,
etc. NOT EASY, but I somehow managed to get it done.
After all, I made a promise
So, one snowy night early Feb.. while I was out walking my Rottie,
[Lady]Bug, who's bigger than me no less, lo behold, guess who stalks me
out?
Miss Charity Now mind you, Bug is deaf, I'm almost blind [great
combination, huh?]... I heard this pitiful plea, couldn't see who it
was,
but Bug, who lives loves all my furbabies, saw her {Charity}, went totally
ballistic - strange cat in her territory... When I finally realized it was
Charity, I was mortified to say the leastJust imagine the thoughts
running thru my head - me falling, Bug getting off leash Charity's
demise...ABSOLUTELY HORRIFIC, that's putting it mildly..
Somehow I managed to get Bug back into house. But sweet Charity was on a
mission... She NEVER gave up, and actually came waited for me on
back porch - something she never did! So, when I went back out, w/ a
carrier no less, I decided the time was right.. But, not having any
strength on
my right arm, it was a disaster, to say the least.Neither of us would
give up..And, she insisted I hobble on the snow/ice out to barn! She
was patient w/ me, but a tad irritated.. She knew what she had to do
So, we finally get out to barn, where I thanked the lord I had my recliner
[Boy, did I ever need that!!!]
Lo behold My Bart was there! And obviously in VERY poor shape!
And, this mean 'ole intact feral came right up to me, rubbing my legs! I
was shocked! He had never approached me prior, always ran off when he
caught a mere glance, and now he was almost a love muffin. Something was
off. Big time
He looked very ill - skinny, bloated in abdomen, you name it, I
actually though e was another stray/feral - until I saw hisshrunken
equipment...Then I just knew it was our Bart. So, I set him up, made
an
emergency appt. deep down inside, my heart was broken..
While waiting the 2 days for appt., , he ate very well, turned into a
love-muffin, I kind of got my hopes up...BIG MISTAKE!!
At my vet, Dr. V. started to drain fluid, I finally asked him to stop.
Also, Bart was pale white, all over almost NOT a good sign.
He was also mostly blind.. Among numerous other things
NO WAY TO EXIST.
So, I made the dreaded decision.Very, very hard. but thought Bart
would NOT have the [or any] quality of life. [And, he was an old
man.]
Ok, now to Charity.We DID have a vet. appt.soon after, but I had to
cancel because three was NO way to get her in carrierWane a compete exam,
including BW, but never got there. And, she was doing so well. My primary
concern was Puma, I must admit...
Now get this. Thurs. PM she wouldn't [hardly] touch her wet food... So
I pulled a Puma, Fancy Feast Elegant Medleys - NO GO.!!! But, when I
pulled out the people tuna, she
Re: PLEASE Pray for my Charity....
If you have a long standing relationship with the vet he may come to the house
or you may have vets in the area that do housecalls. There might be a vet tech
who is willing to come to your home and drive you to the vet's with Charity.
This is awful. My prayers for you and your little friends. This is
distressing all of them.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of compassion
and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with their
fellow man.
St. Francis
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:45 AM
Subject: PLEASE Pray for my Charity
As most of you remember, Charity [feral mom dumped w/ babies] I have a
long controversial history.. [She got out of taped-up box, so I had Timmy
Thomas as bottle babies. ]
I was able to trap her, but she escaped while I was cleaning her crate
[post spaying thank heavens]. I decided not to re-trap her since I had a
special area for ALL the strays/ferals here. And, also, she had me in ER so
many times... Clearly, she disliked humans, and after being tossed out like
trash I couldn't blame her. I believed she had been somebody's cat once
upon a time when she had babies, well, they DUMPED them (Education IS
the key. Spay/Neuter all your babies)
So, I believed as long as she always had food shelter [here], it would be
less stressful than trying to re-trap her. And, she had her constant
companion, Black Bart
However, life can change so fast...
I had my MVA, my room mate was NOT tending my stray/feral area when I
finally got home from hosp., o my way to Dr. I saw Charity running across the
very heavily traveled, busy road I live on So, despite all my handicaps
I made a promise right then that I would tend to my stray/feral area... Even
opened up the barn so they could get indoors when weather turned bad..
So, I was very concerned about the cats I'd been tending to, but, I managed
to hobble out to barn area to feed water, put fresh bedding out, etc.
(And barn is W-A-Y back in yard, never a problem before MVA, but after, well,
it's very difficult for me to get there) But, da_n it, I made a promise to
these lost souls..
I was thrilled when I saw Charity Bart back in the area.. Made me even
more determined to get out there so they wouldn't wander get killed on the
road..
Which I did. But, the snow and ice this winter really made it even more
difficult.. But, despite my problems, I kept barn open, re-insulated spots,
etc. NOT EASY, but I somehow managed to get it done.
After all, I made a promise
So, one snowy night early Feb.. while I was out walking my Rottie, [Lady]Bug,
who's bigger than me no less, lo behold, guess who stalks me out? Miss
Charity Now mind you, Bug is deaf, I'm almost blind [great
combination, huh?]... I heard this pitiful plea, couldn't see who it
was, but Bug, who lives loves all my furbabies, saw her {Charity}, went
totally ballistic - strange cat in her territory... When I finally
realized it was Charity, I was mortified to say the leastJust imagine
the thoughts running thru my head - me falling, Bug getting off leash
Charity's demise...ABSOLUTELY HORRIFIC, that's putting it mildly..
Somehow I managed to get Bug back into house. But sweet Charity was on a
mission... She NEVER gave up, and actually came waited for me on back
porch - something she never did! So, when I went back out, w/ a carrier
no less, I decided the time was right.. But, not having any strength on my
right arm, it was a disaster, to say the least.Neither of us would give
up..And, she insisted I hobble on the snow/ice out to barn! She was
patient w/ me, but a tad irritated.. She knew what she had to do
So, we finally get out to barn, where I thanked the lord I had my recliner
[Boy, did I ever need that!!!]
Lo behold My Bart was there! And obviously in VERY poor shape!
And, this mean 'ole intact feral came right up to me, rubbing my legs! I
was shocked! He had never approached me prior, always ran off when he
caught a mere glance, and now he was almost a love muffin. Something was
off. Big time
He looked very ill - skinny, bloated in abdomen, you name it, I
actually though e was another stray/feral - until I saw his shrunken
equipment...Then I just knew it was our Bart. So, I set him up, made an
emergency appt. deep down inside, my heart was broken..
While waiting the 2 days for appt., , he ate very well, turned into a
Re: PLEASE Pray for my Charity....
Oh Patti I wish I was there to help you and sweet Charity.I hope she starts to
feel better soon,and you can get her to the Dr.
Sherry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As most of you remember, Charity [feral mom dumped w/ babies] I have
a long controversial history.. [She got out of taped-up box, so I had
Timmy Thomas as bottle babies. ]
I was able to trap her, but she escaped while I was cleaning her crate
[post spaying thank heavens]. I decided not to re-trap her since I had a
special area for ALL the strays/ferals here. And, also, she had me in ER so
many times... Clearly, she disliked humans, and after being tossed out like
trash I couldn't blame her. I believed she had been somebody's cat once
upon a time when she had babies, well, they DUMPED them (Education IS
the key. Spay/Neuter all your babies)
So, I believed as long as she always had food shelter [here], it would be
less stressful than trying to re-trap her. And, she had her constant
companion, Black Bart
However, life can change so fast...
I had my MVA, my room mate was NOT tending my stray/feral area when I
finally got home from hosp., o my way to Dr. I saw Charity running across the
very heavily traveled, busy road I live on So, despite all my handicaps
I made a promise right then that I would tend to my stray/feral area... Even
opened up the barn so they could get indoors when weather turned bad..
So, I was very concerned about the cats I'd been tending to, but, I managed
to hobble out to barn area to feed water, put fresh bedding out, etc.
(And barn is W-A-Y back in yard, never a problem before MVA, but after, well,
it's very difficult for me to get there) But, da_n it, I made a promise to
these lost souls..
I was thrilled when I saw Charity Bart back in the area.. Made me even
more determined to get out there so they wouldn't wander get killed on the
road..
Which I did. But, the snow and ice this winter really made it even more
difficult.. But, despite my problems, I kept barn open, re-insulated spots,
etc. NOT EASY, but I somehow managed to get it done.
After all, I made a promise
So, one snowy night early Feb.. while I was out walking my Rottie, [Lady]Bug,
who's bigger than me no less, lo behold, guess who stalks me out? Miss
Charity Now mind you, Bug is deaf, I'm almost blind [great
combination, huh?]... I heard this pitiful plea, couldn't see who it
was, but Bug, who lives loves all my furbabies, saw her {Charity}, went
totally ballistic - strange cat in her territory... When I finally
realized it was Charity, I was mortified to say the leastJust imagine
the thoughts running thru my head - me falling, Bug getting off leash
Charity's demise...ABSOLUTELY HORRIFIC, that's putting it mildly..
Somehow I managed to get Bug back into house. But sweet Charity was on a
mission... She NEVER gave up, and actually came waited for me on back
porch - something she never did! So, when I went back out, w/ a carrier
no less, I decided the time was right.. But, not having any strength on my
right arm, it was a disaster, to say the least.Neither of us would give
up..And, she insisted I hobble on the snow/ice out to barn! She was
patient w/ me, but a tad irritated.. She knew what she had to do
So, we finally get out to barn, where I thanked the lord I had my recliner
[Boy, did I ever need that!!!]
Lo behold My Bart was there! And obviously in VERY poor shape!
And, this mean 'ole intact feral came right up to me, rubbing my legs! I
was shocked! He had never approached me prior, always ran off when he
caught a mere glance, and now he was almost a love muffin. Something was
off. Big time
He looked very ill - skinny, bloated in abdomen, you name it, I
actually though e was another stray/feral - until I saw his shrunken
equipment...Then I just knew it was our Bart. So, I set him up, made an
emergency appt. deep down inside, my heart was broken..
While waiting the 2 days for appt., , he ate very well, turned into a
love-muffin, I kind of got my hopes up...BIG MISTAKE!!
At my vet, Dr. V. started to drain fluid, I finally asked him to stop.
Also, Bart was pale white, all over almost NOT a good sign.
He was also mostly blind.. Among numerous other things
NO WAY TO EXIST.
So, I made the dreaded decision.Very, very hard. but thought Bart would
NOT have the [or any] quality of life. [And, he was an old man.]
Ok, now to Charity.We DID have a vet. appt.soon after, but I had to
cancel because three was NO way to get her in carrierWane a compete exam,
including BW, but never got there. And, she was doing so well. My primary
concern was Puma, I must admit...
Now get this. Thurs. PM she
Re: PLEASE Pray for my Charity....
I don't know where you live, but could you get a cab? Maybe make a 'trade off'
of some sort with your roommate? I'm sorry you're in this position, and I hope
Charity gets better.
tonya
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As most of you remember, Charity [feral mom dumped w/ babies] I have
a long controversial history.. [She got out of taped-up box, so I had
Timmy Thomas as bottle babies. ]
I was able to trap her, but she escaped while I was cleaning her crate
[post spaying thank heavens]. I decided not to re-trap her since I had a
special area for ALL the strays/ferals here. And, also, she had me in ER so
many times... Clearly, she disliked humans, and after being tossed out like
trash I couldn't blame her. I believed she had been somebody's cat once
upon a time when she had babies, well, they DUMPED them (Education IS
the key. Spay/Neuter all your babies)
So, I believed as long as she always had food shelter [here], it would be
less stressful than trying to re-trap her. And, she had her constant
companion, Black Bart
However, life can change so fast...
I had my MVA, my room mate was NOT tending my stray/feral area when I
finally got home from hosp., o my way to Dr. I saw Charity running across the
very heavily traveled, busy road I live on So, despite all my handicaps
I made a promise right then that I would tend to my stray/feral area... Even
opened up the barn so they could get indoors when weather turned bad..
So, I was very concerned about the cats I'd been tending to, but, I managed
to hobble out to barn area to feed water, put fresh bedding out, etc.
(And barn is W-A-Y back in yard, never a problem before MVA, but after, well,
it's very difficult for me to get there) But, da_n it, I made a promise to
these lost souls..
I was thrilled when I saw Charity Bart back in the area.. Made me even
more determined to get out there so they wouldn't wander get killed on the
road..
Which I did. But, the snow and ice this winter really made it even more
difficult.. But, despite my problems, I kept barn open, re-insulated spots,
etc. NOT EASY, but I somehow managed to get it done.
After all, I made a promise
So, one snowy night early Feb.. while I was out walking my Rottie, [Lady]Bug,
who's bigger than me no less, lo behold, guess who stalks me out? Miss
Charity Now mind you, Bug is deaf, I'm almost blind [great
combination, huh?]... I heard this pitiful plea, couldn't see who it
was, but Bug, who lives loves all my furbabies, saw her {Charity}, went
totally ballistic - strange cat in her territory... When I finally
realized it was Charity, I was mortified to say the leastJust imagine
the thoughts running thru my head - me falling, Bug getting off leash
Charity's demise...ABSOLUTELY HORRIFIC, that's putting it mildly..
Somehow I managed to get Bug back into house. But sweet Charity was on a
mission... She NEVER gave up, and actually came waited for me on back
porch - something she never did! So, when I went back out, w/ a carrier
no less, I decided the time was right.. But, not having any strength on my
right arm, it was a disaster, to say the least.Neither of us would give
up..And, she insisted I hobble on the snow/ice out to barn! She was
patient w/ me, but a tad irritated.. She knew what she had to do
So, we finally get out to barn, where I thanked the lord I had my recliner
[Boy, did I ever need that!!!]
Lo behold My Bart was there! And obviously in VERY poor shape!
And, this mean 'ole intact feral came right up to me, rubbing my legs! I
was shocked! He had never approached me prior, always ran off when he
caught a mere glance, and now he was almost a love muffin. Something was
off. Big time
He looked very ill - skinny, bloated in abdomen, you name it, I
actually though e was another stray/feral - until I saw his shrunken
equipment...Then I just knew it was our Bart. So, I set him up, made an
emergency appt. deep down inside, my heart was broken..
While waiting the 2 days for appt., , he ate very well, turned into a
love-muffin, I kind of got my hopes up...BIG MISTAKE!!
At my vet, Dr. V. started to drain fluid, I finally asked him to stop.
Also, Bart was pale white, all over almost NOT a good sign.
He was also mostly blind.. Among numerous other things
NO WAY TO EXIST.
So, I made the dreaded decision.Very, very hard. but thought Bart would
NOT have the [or any] quality of life. [And, he was an old man.]
Ok, now to Charity.We DID have a vet. appt.soon after, but I had to
cancel because three was NO way to get her in carrierWane a compete exam,
including BW, but never got there. And, she was doing so well. My primary
concern was
Re: PLEASE Pray for my Charity....
At 05:45 AM 6/9/2007, you wrote:
I wish I were there to take you,,,My heart is breaking with you, I
anyone able to come for you Even a vet tech a I assume they all know you.
Kelly
As most of you remember, Charity [feral mom dumped w/ babies] I
have a long controversial history.. [She got out of taped-up
box, so I had Timmy Thomas as bottle babies. ]
I was able to trap her, but she escaped while I was cleaning her
crate [post spaying thank heavens]. I decided not to re-trap her
since I had a special area for ALL the strays/ferals here. And,
also, she had me in ER so many times... Clearly, she disliked
humans, and after being tossed out like trash I couldn't blame
her. I believed she had been somebody's cat once upon a time
when she had babies, well, they DUMPED them (Education IS the
key. Spay/Neuter all your babies)
So, I believed as long as she always had food shelter [here], it
would be less stressful than trying to re-trap her. And, she had
her constant companion, Black Bart
However, life can change so fast...
I had my MVA, my room mate was NOT tending my stray/feral area
when I finally got home from hosp., o my way to Dr. I saw Charity
running across the very heavily traveled, busy road I live
on So, despite all my handicaps I made a promise right then
that I would tend to my stray/feral area... Even opened up the barn
so they could get indoors when weather turned bad..
So, I was very concerned about the cats I'd been tending to, but, I
managed to hobble out to barn area to feed water, put fresh
bedding out, etc. (And barn is W-A-Y back in yard, never a problem
before MVA, but after, well, it's very difficult for me to get
there) But, da_n it, I made a promise to these lost souls..
I was thrilled when I saw Charity Bart back in the area.. Made
me even more determined to get out there so they wouldn't wander
get killed on the road..
Which I did. But, the snow and ice this winter really made it even
more difficult.. But, despite my problems, I kept barn open,
re-insulated spots, etc. NOT EASY, but I somehow managed to get it done.
After all, I made a promise
So, one snowy night early Feb.. while I was out walking my Rottie,
[Lady]Bug, who's bigger than me no less, lo behold, guess who
stalks me out? Miss Charity Now mind you, Bug is deaf,
I'm almost blind [great combination, huh?]... I heard this
pitiful plea, couldn't see who it was, but Bug, who lives loves
all my furbabies, saw her {Charity}, went totally ballistic -
strange cat in her territory... When I finally realized it was
Charity, I was mortified to say the leastJust imagine the
thoughts running thru my head - me falling, Bug getting off leash
Charity's demise...ABSOLUTELY HORRIFIC, that's putting it mildly..
Somehow I managed to get Bug back into house. But sweet Charity
was on a mission... She NEVER gave up, and actually came
waited for me on back porch - something she never did! So,
when I went back out, w/ a carrier no less, I decided the time was
right.. But, not having any strength on my right arm, it was a
disaster, to say the least.Neither of us would give up..And,
she insisted I hobble on the snow/ice out to barn! She was
patient w/ me, but a tad irritated.. She knew what she had to do
So, we finally get out to barn, where I thanked the lord I had my
recliner [Boy, did I ever need that!!!]
Lo behold My Bart was there! And obviously in VERY poor shape!
And, this mean 'ole intact feral came right up to me, rubbing my
legs! I was shocked! He had never approached me prior,
always ran off when he caught a mere glance, and now he was almost
a love muffin. Something was off. Big time
He looked very ill - skinny, bloated in abdomen, you name it,
Iactually though e was another stray/feral - until I saw his
shrunkenequipment...Then I just knew it was our
Bart. So, I set him up, made an emergency appt. deep down
inside, my heart was broken..
While waiting the 2 days for appt., , he ate very well, turned into
a love-muffin, I kind of got my hopes up...BIG MISTAKE!!
At my vet, Dr. V. started to drain fluid, I finally asked him to stop.
Also, Bart was pale white, all over almost NOT a good sign.
He was also mostly blind.. Among numerous other things
NO WAY TO EXIST.
So, I made the dreaded decision.Very, very hard. but thought
Bart would NOT have the [or any] quality of life. [And, he was
an old man.]
Ok, now to Charity.We DID have a vet. appt.soon after, but I had
to cancel because three was NO way to get her in carrierWane a
compete exam, including BW, but never got there. And, she was
doing so well. My primary concern was Puma, I must admit...
Now get this. Thurs. PM she wouldn't
Re: OT - my moral ideas behind claw trimming
First off, I carbon copied this to the FELVOT list, so we can take this discussion over there, please reply ON THAT GROUP, not on this list: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/felvot/ Well, for one, I have NEVER seen an ingrown claw on a cat. Given proper scratching surfaces (natural wood, sisal rope, carpet - and sofas, LOL) cats' claws naturally shed periodically. The older, outside sheath sloughs off much like a snake sheds it's skin, leaving a sharper and shorter fresh claw underneath it. It's been my experience that EVERY time I have ever seen a cat get it's claws trimmed (like when I took one in to be spayed, or neutered, or had dental work, etc), there is some amount of splintering of the outside claw sheath, which causes premature sheath shedding. When the claw splits and tries to fall off the cat before it is ready, it can (and in my experience, USUALLY, starts at the tip, and begins to loosen from the tip up towards the cuticle. I've seen many times where the claw sheath was hanging from JUST the cuticle, but wasn't ready to come off, snagging on things, and actually causing my cat discomfort. Attempts to gently pull it off resulted in YOWLS and jerking away, thus I came to the conclusion that it is painful for the cat. I cannot see inducing ANY amount of unnecessary pain on my cats, thus, I am morally opposed to claw trimming, based on my past experiences. Yes, I have scars, yes, I have had cuts that bled for hours and hours, and through several band-aids. My cats come first, though, IMO. I do not believe there is any reason to trim cat claws, outside of human vanity and convenience, but I am OPEN to the possibility that it may be true that ingrown claws could exist - I have just never seen it myself, and my opinions are based on what I can back up with personal experience and personally proven fact (in other words, my opinions are based on what I have seen with my own two eyes). Maybe your Persians, in addition to having human-induced deformed faces, also have human-induced deformed feet, leading to a higher ingrown claw factor (me thinks maybe human breeding programs are at the root of most cat-evil in the world)??? Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.
I'm on a never-ending revolving medicated shampoo experiment, if I find one that truly helps for more than a day or two, I will post it to the group. The best results so far are with one called Epi-Soothe, by Virbac, he seems MUCH better for about 2-3 days when I shampoo him with it (letting it sit on his body for 3 minutes before rinsing). On a funny side note.. I use leftovers (and things that were duds for Mythic's issues) on myself, and I have found that one called Relief, by DVM made MY itchy scalp feel great, and my hair looked great too, LOL. My head actually felt lighter after using it, I have no idea why, but it's amazing. It's like my head could breathe, and before all my hair or head oils, or something, were built up and blocking the air flow. LOL, yeah, I'm totally nuts. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
Charity (Crossed The Bridge)
I don't know just how I can even write this, but my Charity DID
cross.. I can only pray it was peaceful.. But, w/ her pitiful crying, I
know
she was in pain.
And, someone [sorry, memory is shot] mentioned getting a cab But,
since I moved, my [wonderful] vet is in Md., I'm in a small town in Pa. With
NO cab service...
It all happened so [too] fast, I am in shock, besides myself.. Don't
know what to do...
And, trust me, I DID try contacting many people...As far as house
calls, well, no one was available. They all said Wait 'til
Monday..Yeah,
sure. I deep down inside, knew Monday would be too late BUT, I DID
pray for a miracle.. Didn't want to give up...
I can only be glad that she finally had a home knew she was very much
loved..{Lot of solace that brings me now]
And, it's Saturday, HOT I want to have her cremated vet's not in til
Moday.And, I also don't have a trunk freezer for her remains.. Can't
get
any worse...
And, being up w/ her the whole time, I'm just too devastated to even try
to get some rest..
Thank you ALL for your prayers suggestions.[This list has the BEST people.
so caring. understanding.The MAIN reason I never left after losing my
Ethan]
I did write Belinda for the CLS separately
Have to go. With my vision problems with all these tears, I can't see
at all now..
Much love, with tears,
Patti her [remaining] gang
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Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.
Personally, I will euthanise Mythic if I think he's suffering so much that I am considering something as drastic as declawing. His allergies ARE manageable with Dexamethisone injections though, so I do have something I can resort to when it gets really bad. I would take him to a feline dermatologist before I considered declawing or euthanasia. There are very involved and specific allergy tests that can be done, and once they get those results, they can begin allergy shots. I've gotten all the info in the past, but it's so costly I keep putting it off. He's only like this a few months max out of the year though... if it were a food allergy year-round, I would probably invest that money into the specialist. There's a good veterinary dermatologist specialist in New Hampshire. If you want to find one in your area, there is a find a veterinary dermatologist near you webpage from their association, I can find the link and post it if anyone is interested. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.
I found some WONDERFUL upholstery cleaner stuff, in the CAR section, no less! Gets stains out of anything I've tried so far, it's amazing stuff. It's by TurtleWax, and it's a big red and yellow aerosol can with a bristle plastic cap on it. It's called Power Out! Professional strength upholstery cleaner (with odor eliminating Odor-X). You spray it on, and it's a thick FOAM, let it sit for about a minute, then rub it in with a clean cloth. Continue to spray a dab more and rub with a clean cloth (use clean areas of the cloth, or a new one every few wipes), and it will erase the stain. The only problem I've found is that the clean area is noticeable because it's SO MUCH cleaner than the parts I didn't clean. This stuff made my 1994 model car's upholstery look LIKE NEW (and it completely eliminated the spilt sardine juice odor). Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
Re: PLEASE Pray for my Charity....
I'm so sorry to hear Charity isn't well. I hope she pulls through. Can you call a taxi? I've resorted to it in the past when I was carless and had a veterinary emergency. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
Re: Charity (Crossed The Bridge)
I'm so very sorry for your loss. I've had a few of my ferals just disappear, and I think I would rather KNOW what happened than wonder as I do. At least she was with you, and know someone cared. Perhaps an icechest with some ice in it would work until Monday? What a horrible thing to have to contemplate so soon! Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
Re: Charity (Crossed The Bridge)
Let me suggest something. Take from it what is right for you. A cat crying is
not necessarily a cat in pain. In the wild a cat would rarely cry out. It
would be an invitation to all to come and kill him. That is one reason a sick
cat goes off by himself. My personal bet is that she was (like many elderly
people) seeing her friends on the other side and exchanging greetings. I am
sure she was very puzzled by everything. She may have been asking questions
both of them and of you. You gave this wonderful little girl love and
attention. She never had that before. For once her life was relatively
peaceful. I really don't think you could have done more nor do I think she
could have wanted more.
On a practical matter..if you have ice packs you can preserve the body
until Monday. You simply have to be diligent about keeping it cold. A cooler
with ice (or a Rubbermaid box or whatever) or dry ice if you can get it will
do. I had to bring a little girl home during very hot weather so she could be
buried with my other little friends. It can be done. Frankly, I would throw
out whatever food is in the way in the frig but I live alone...and
would not tell dinner guests.
No one will ever doubt that you tried everything you could think of.
Suggestions, including my own, are made in case your thinking is
clouded.as under the circumstances it could be easily.mine
would be. I would suggest you try to link up with a back up crew for your own
peace of mind. I live in a rural area and the vets I love are 120 + miles away
(one way). My relationship with them is strong enough that I think one would
come here if I had no options. I have no clue what I will do in a few years
when they retire. There are 2 vets in this county and only one does small
animals. This is to say that I do understand.
Please wait a bit and ask Charity to visitshe has wonderful things
to tell you.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of compassion
and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with their
fellow man.
St. Francis
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 3:14 PM
Subject: Charity (Crossed The Bridge)
I don't know just how I can even write this, but my Charity DID cross..
I can only pray it was peaceful.. But, w/ her pitiful crying, I know she
was in pain.
And, someone [sorry, memory is shot] mentioned getting a cab But,
since I moved, my [wonderful] vet is in Md., I'm in a small town in Pa. With
NO cab service...
It all happened so [too] fast, I am in shock, besides myself.. Don't know
what to do...
And, trust me, I DID try contacting many people...As far as house
calls, well, no one was available. They all said Wait 'til
Monday..Yeah, sure. I deep down inside, knew Monday would be too
late BUT, I DID pray for a miracle.. Didn't want to give up...
I can only be glad that she finally had a home knew she was very much
loved..{Lot of solace that brings me now]
And, it's Saturday, HOT I want to have her cremated vet's not in til
Moday.And, I also don't have a trunk freezer for her remains.. Can't
get any worse...
And, being up w/ her the whole time, I'm just too devastated to even try to
get some rest..
Thank you ALL for your prayers suggestions.[This list has the BEST people.
so caring. understanding.The MAIN reason I never left after losing my
Ethan]
I did write Belinda for the CLS separately
Have to go. With my vision problems with all these tears, I can't see at
all now..
Much love, with tears,
Patti her [remaining] gang
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Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.
Consider taking him to an alternative vet. You would be surprised what wonderful things they can do. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 3:16 PM Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. Personally, I will euthanise Mythic if I think he's suffering so much that I am considering something as drastic as declawing. His allergies ARE manageable with Dexamethisone injections though, so I do have something I can resort to when it gets really bad. I would take him to a feline dermatologist before I considered declawing or euthanasia. There are very involved and specific allergy tests that can be done, and once they get those results, they can begin allergy shots. I've gotten all the info in the past, but it's so costly I keep putting it off. He's only like this a few months max out of the year though... if it were a food allergy year-round, I would probably invest that money into the specialist. There's a good veterinary dermatologist specialist in New Hampshire. If you want to find one in your area, there is a find a veterinary dermatologist near you webpage from their association, I can find the link and post it if anyone is interested. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
Re: OT - my moral ideas behind claw trimming
Maybe I missed something but I trim my nails. I trim the cats' nails. Part of it is self-defense. I have a few who like to hang out on my shoulders, some who will jump into my arms if I don't pick them up quickly enough. Also, if I don't blunt the ends of their nails, the cats stick to the upholstery. Amusing though this may be -- what better time to tickle a cat? -- I figure it's only fair that I trim those little nails. I blunt just the ends, don't go anywhere near the quick, and use clippers designed for cats' claws. It does not hurt them and it's pretty quick. I can't see any reason not to do it. Oh, I HAVE seen an ingrown nail on a cat who was rescued from a very harsh existence on the street, a tuxedo tom named Sylvester. He was a really good boy and appreciated every indication of care that he received. He was only with us 14 months. The starvation he had endured had damaged his kidneys, and probably other internal organs as well. He never minded having his nails trimmed and he really understood when we dealt with the one growing into his back paw pad. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off, I carbon copied this to the FELVOT list, so we can take this discussion over there, please reply ON THAT GROUP, not on this list: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/felvot/ Well, for one, I have NEVER seen an ingown claw on a cat. Given proper scratching surfaces (natural wood, sisal rope, carpet - and sofas, LOL) cats' claws naturally shed periodically. The older, outside sheath sloughs off much like a snake sheds it's skin, leaving a sharper and shorter fresh claw underneath it. It's been my experience that EVERY time I have ever seen a cat get it's claws trimmed (like when I took one in to be spayed, or neutered, or had dental work, etc), there is some amount of splintering of the outside claw sheath, which causes premature sheath shedding. When the claw splits and tries to fall off the cat before it is ready, it can (and in my experience, USUALLY, starts at the tip, and begins to loosen from the tip up towards the cuticle. I've seen many times where the claw sheath was hanging from JUST the cuticle, but wasn't ready to come off, snagging on things, and actually causing my cat discomfort. Attempts to gently pull it off resulted in YOWLS and jerking away, thus I came to the conclusion that it is painful for the cat. I cannot see inducing ANY amount of unnecessary pain on my cats, thus, I am morally opposed to claw trimming, based on my past experiences. Yes, I have scars, yes, I have had cuts that bled for hours and hours, and through several band-aids. My cats come first, though, IMO. I do not believe there is any reason to trim cat claws, outside of human vanity and convenience, but I am OPEN to the possibility that it may be true that ingrown claws could exist - I have just never seen it myself, and my opinions are based on what I can back up with personal experience and personally proven fact (in other words, my opinions are based on what I have seen with my own two eyes). Maybe your Persians, in addition to having human-induced deformed faces, also have human-induced deformed feet, leading to a higher ingrown claw factor (me thinks maybe human breeding programs are at the root of most cat-evil in the world)??? Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
Re: Charity (Crossed The Bridge)
I'm so sorry for your loss. I know exactly how you feel and how hard it is.
When Koda passed a month ago, she was crying at the end as well. It is the
most heartbreaking sound in the world. Take comfort in the fact you did all
you could for her, and i'm sure she found it more peaceful to pass at home,
surrounded by familiarity and love.
Cassandra
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 3:14 PM
Subject: Charity (Crossed The Bridge)
I don't know just how I can even write this, but my Charity DID cross..
I can only pray it was peaceful.. But, w/ her pitiful crying, I know she
was in pain.
And, someone [sorry, memory is shot] mentioned getting a cab But,
since I moved, my [wonderful] vet is in Md., I'm in a small town in Pa. With
NO cab service...
It all happened so [too] fast, I am in shock, besides myself.. Don't know
what to do...
And, trust me, I DID try contacting many people...As far as house
calls, well, no one was available. They all said Wait 'til
Monday..Yeah, sure. I deep down inside, knew Monday would be too
late BUT, I DID pray for a miracle.. Didn't want to give up...
I can only be glad that she finally had a home knew she was very much
loved..{Lot of solace that brings me now]
And, it's Saturday, HOT I want to have her cremated vet's not in til
Moday.And, I also don't have a trunk freezer for her remains.. Can't
get any worse...
And, being up w/ her the whole time, I'm just too devastated to even try to
get some rest..
Thank you ALL for your prayers suggestions.[This list has the BEST people.
so caring. understanding.The MAIN reason I never left after losing my
Ethan]
I did write Belinda for the CLS separately
Have to go. With my vision problems with all these tears, I can't see at
all now..
Much love, with tears,
Patti her [remaining] gang
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Re: Charity (Crossed The Bridge)
Patti, I am so very sorry.
elizabeth
On 6/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know just how I can even write this, but my Charity DID
cross.. I can only pray it was peaceful.. But, w/ her pitiful
crying, I *know* she was in pain.
And, someone [sorry, memory is shot] mentioned getting a cab But,
since I moved, my [wonderful] vet is in Md., I'm in a small town in Pa.
With NO cab service...
It all happened so [too] fast, I am in shock, besides myself.. Don't
know what to do...
And, trust me, I DID try contacting many people...As far as house
calls, well, no one was available. They all said Wait 'til
Monday..Yeah, sure. I deep down inside, *knew* Monday would be
too late BUT, I *DID *pray for a miracle.. Didn't want to give
up...
I can only be glad that she *finally* had a home knew she was very much
loved..{Lot of solace that brings me now]
And, it's Saturday, HOT I want to have her cremated vet's not in til
Moday.And, I also don't have a trunk freezer for her remains.. Can't
get any worse...
And, being up w/ her the whole time, I'm just too devastated to even try
to get some rest..
Thank you ALL for your prayers suggestions.[This list has the BEST
people. so caring. understanding.The MAIN reason I never left after
losing my Ethan]
I did write Belinda for the CLS separately
Have to go. With my vision problems with all these tears, I can't see
at all now..
Much love, with tears,
Patti her [remaining] gang
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Re: Charity (Crossed The Bridge)
Dear Patty, as always you are in my prayers, but more so tonight. Sweet Charity loves you and is grateful for the love you brought into her life. I know the pain you are feeling, I recently lost dear Charlie Brown and sweet little Oscar. I hope they meet Charity at the bridge and exchange stories of their humans and I hope that someday we all meet there too. Thinking of you, Sheila ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.
It sounds like Phelix and Mythic might have inhalant or contact allergies and that the allergy tests might be worthwhile for them. Unfortunately, my vet and I are fairly certain that Scooter's problem IS a food allergy, which means food trials are the recommended method of diagnoses and treatment. Nothing that I can put on him topically is going to ease that facial itching that is coming from inside. Steroids do nothing (which is also an indication of food allergy). The good news is, he is NOT so uncomfortable that I would even begin to consider euthanasia. We have him on CalNat right now and it seems to lessen the scratching a good deal, (we have the left side of his head completely healed). But when I take off the collar it takes him less than a minute to kick the right side of his head open. He still plays, wrestles the other kitties, runs around and cuddles wearing the collar. But I know he would prefer life without it, as he hides if he sees me coming back with it after I've taken it off. I am pretty passionate about not declawing cats as well, ours all have their claws. I have many more possible food trials and alternative treatments to try before I get desperate enough for declawing. But if it comes down to it, I will consult with my vet about the possibility of a rear-declaw. I would never make my cat drink the poison Kool-Aid just because it couldn't live up to my never declaw ideal. Beth On 6/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I will euthanise Mythic if I think he's suffering so much that I am considering something as drastic as declawing. His allergies ARE manageable with Dexamethisone injections though, so I do have something I can resort to when it gets really bad. I would take him to a feline dermatologist before I considered declawing or euthanasia. There are very involved and specific allergy tests that can be done, and once they get those results, they can begin allergy shots. I've gotten all the info in the past, but it's so costly I keep putting it off. He's only like this a few months max out of the year though... if it were a food allergy year-round, I would probably invest that money into the specialist. There's a good veterinary dermatologist specialist in New Hampshire. If you want to find one in your area, there is a find a veterinary dermatologist near you webpage from their association, I can find the link and post it if anyone is interested. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303http://www.igive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.
Beth, it's not my never declaw ideal that made me say that, it is my genuine belief that declawing causes long term physical and psychological suffering, and I do not think putting a suffering cat through more things to make it suffer more is a correct course of action. Two wrongs don't make a right. Declawing is 100% cruel and inhumane, and euthanasia is 100% humane when done correctly. To me, there is no gray area there, it's black and white. To eliminate suffering, yes, I will euthanise an animal. I do not have those strong no-kill ideals others have these days. My son bites his fingernails until they bleed sometimes... would I ever THINK to even consider amputating his fingers to solve that problem? True, it WOULD completely eliminate the problem, and his self-mutilation, but at what cost? That's how I feel about it. That's just me, personally. I'd like to see a $1000 fine and mandatory 90 days in jail for felony animal cruelty for anyone that has a cat declawed - that and the revoking of veterinary licenses for any vet that does the surgery. But I admit, I'm totally way on one side of the fence on declawing - probably to the point of being impractical and even a bit of a lunatic. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
Re: Charity (Crossed The Bridge)
Oh Patti,I am soo sorry that sweet Charity had to leave you.You are in my
prayers.Take care of yourself.She knew you loved her VERY much.Hugs to you.
Sherry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know just how I can even write this, but my Charity DID
cross.. I can only pray it was peaceful.. But, w/ her pitiful crying, I
know she was in pain.
And, someone [sorry, memory is shot] mentioned getting a cab But,
since I moved, my [wonderful] vet is in Md., I'm in a small town in Pa. With
NO cab service...
It all happened so [too] fast, I am in shock, besides myself.. Don't know
what to do...
And, trust me, I DID try contacting many people...As far as house
calls, well, no one was available. They all said Wait 'til
Monday..Yeah, sure. I deep down inside, knew Monday would be too
late BUT, I DID pray for a miracle.. Didn't want to give up...
I can only be glad that she finally had a home knew she was very much
loved..{Lot of solace that brings me now]
And, it's Saturday, HOT I want to have her cremated vet's not in til
Moday.And, I also don't have a trunk freezer for her remains.. Can't
get any worse...
And, being up w/ her the whole time, I'm just too devastated to even try to
get some rest..
Thank you ALL for your prayers suggestions.[This list has the BEST people.
so caring. understanding.The MAIN reason I never left after losing my
Ethan]
I did write Belinda for the CLS separately
Have to go. With my vision problems with all these tears, I can't see at
all now..
Much love, with tears,
Patti her [remaining] gang
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Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.
At 09:34 PM 6/9/2007, you wrote: this is where I will disagree. does it hurt for a few weeks. Yes it does but a good vet gives good pain medication. Are there long term consequences, That is debatable, A close friend, fellow rescuer and Feline behaviorist plus RVT has had all 14 of her cats declawed, In the past when I actually had furniture and a dog that lost an eye just about I chose to declay the front toes. Yes I know what is involved, the cat went on the live a happy and very healthy 15 more years. Now that I have given up drapes furniture and dogs that live in close proximity with my cats i would never do it, but I have adopted out cat to people I knew would, but I also knew what wonderful cat parents they are. Braces a cruel and frequently put on our kids for only cosmetic reasons, we subject our kids to years of discomfort, I would opt for a declaw rather than to have a cat tossed outside by one or the other care giver. and to euthanize a cat instead makes me see red. Kelly Beth, it's not my never declaw ideal that made me say that, it is my genuine belief that declawing causes long term physical and psychological suffering, and I do not think putting a suffering cat through more things to make it suffer more is a correct course of action. Two wrongs don't make a right. Declawing is 100% cruel and inhumane, and euthanasia is 100% humane when done correctly. To me, there is no gray area there, it's black and white. To eliminate suffering, yes, I will euthanise an animal. I do not have those strong no-kill ideals others have these days. My son bites his fingernails until they bleed sometimes... would I ever THINK to even consider amputating his fingers to solve that problem? True, it WOULD completely eliminate the problem, and his self-mutilation, but at what cost? That's how I feel about it. That's just me, personally. I'd like to see a $1000 fine and mandatory 90 days in jail for felony animal cruelty for anyone that has a cat declawed - that and the revoking of veterinary licenses for any vet that does the surgery. But I admit, I'm totally way on one side of the fence on declawing - probably to the point of being impractical and even a bit of a lunatic. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/840 - Release Date: 6/8/2007 3:15 PM
