Thank you all
Hi guys, I wanted to give you all a heart felt 'thank you' from both Julie and I for your sweet words of kindness and compassion. Every single post I read really did help, and it makes grieving easier when you know there are others out there who understand and care. :) Wendy embNever doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!/bnbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; /em~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2007 10:25:40 AM Subject: Re: Julie has crossed over the Rainbow Bridge I understand, and I'm so sorry. Thank you for writing the loving note to us, about Julie's last day and about her blessed life. Gloria On Dec 5, 2007, at 9:04 PM, wendy wrote: Hello everyone, It is with sadness I tell you that Julie's doctor and I helped Julie cross over the Rainbow Bridge yesterday afternoon. She was purring and happy when it happened and she passed peacefully. She was my beautiful 18.5 year old Maine Coon who lived a charmed life and was spoiled to no end. She was a very, very sweet kitty and was never aggressive to anyone or to any fellow animal ever. Her little body had just had it from the hyperT and CRF, and after this last week, I knew it was time. It was such a difficult decision to make though. Part of me felt like it was not my place to make that decision; after all I did not create her life. The other part knew that I could never let her suffer the way my Cricket did when he died from FeLV-related anemia. I knew it would be a matter of days for her and I wanted her to pass without suffering. I took off work to spend the day with her and she had a great day, even being as weak as she was. She enjoyed being outside in the sun; it was a beautiful day. I just want to thank everyone here for your help and encouragment with all my kitties and for being such great listeners. You all are wonderful people. Sincerely, Wendy Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: OT:Question
Wow! Great info. I did not know! Thanks Caroline! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2007 4:23:14 PM Subject: RE: OT:Question Alright, I am not an expert, but here's what I have know/have learned: I think it depends on the cause of the URI-- which with cats, we know it can be many different things and usually, it's too expensive to actually run a culture and find out what is causing the URI (unless it's a chronically suffering cat having a significant amount of trouble and then the cost outweighs the need). In cats, it's usually feline herpes (a VIRUS) OR feline caliciVIRUS causing the URI (but not always). In general, viruses are not zoonotic (transmittable over different species). However, if the URI is caused by a BACTERIAL infection, then yes, possibly it is transmittable to a dog. Again, in general though, cats are more prone to URIs than dogs. I think dogs most common shelter-type, highly contagious disease is 'kennel cough.' Here are the 'general' rules: There are some zoonotic diseases that can be transmissible between cats, dogs, and humans, but they shouldn't cause upper respiratory diseases. Most are caused by internal parasite infections, such as giardia or tapeworms. Rabies, mange, and ringworm are other examples of zoonotic diseases. For cat and dog upper respiratory infections, however, the disease-causing agents are usually species-specific (hence the titles being FELINE herpes, etc., and your dog should not be able to catch the URI from a cat. If a dog seems to come down with a URI at the same time as a cat with a URI, (insert my lawyer-speak here), it's more likely than not that the dog may have actually caught it from another dog. Here's a quick reference for shelters found on the internet: http://www.animalsheltering.org/resource_library/magazine_articles/jan_feb_1997/controlling_upper_respiratory_infections_in_your_shelter.html Okay, again, I am no expert, but this is the information on the subject that I have found generally. Caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 12:48:19 -0500 Subject: OT:Question To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi guys, Can dogs and cats catch colds from each other? Sorry having brain farts right now can't remember...getting old I guess. Somebody contacted me about this. Thanks! TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ Check out AOL Money Finance's list of the hottest products and top money wasters of 2007. You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. Join in! Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: unsubscribing info for Unusually Unique
I plan on staying here too because of the loving people who helped me when Cricket was sick and dying. Although I've had a hard time keeping up with posts lately because of my new job. I really could say the people here saved me because I was a walking skeleton for about two weeks after he died. Not myself at all. Even some of the people who I have had disagreements with here were a big help, which makes it difficult, because I have conflicting emotions about a couple of folks. But overall, this list was fantastic, and there are still a lot of wonderful people here and I think the list will look more like it did in its better days given time. :) Wendy - Original Message From: Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 7, 2007 3:17:36 PM Subject: RE: unsubscribing info for Unusually Unique So true! This group has helped me immensely and I appreciate it so very much. Anita From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: unsubscribing info for Unusually Unique Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:56:38 -0500 Well, I wish you wouldn't leave Unusually Unique. We've already lost SO many people. I've stuck it out and I just ignore the fights that go on on this site because I still believe in the greater good- that this list serve can provide good and necessary info, despite the recent animosity. -Caroline Subject: unsubscribing info for Unusually Unique Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:44:34 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, see below instructions re unsubscribing etc. (These are sent on the 1st of every month, in case you still have your email -- if you do, you'll be able to click directly to unsubscribe. Otherwise there are contact addresses given below) Asking the list doesn't work because listmembers can't do it for you (otherwise I daresay a few folks would be bouncing back and forth interminably) and as far as I know it's not moderated continuously. At any rate, the info below should do the trick. Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:01 AM Subject: felineleukemia.org mailing list memberships reminder This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your felineleukemia.org mailing list memberships. It includes your subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list. You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. In addition to the URL interfaces, you can also use email to make such changes. For more info, send a message to the '-request' address of the list (for example, [EMAIL PROTECTED]) containing just the word 'help' in the message body, and an email message will be sent to you with instructions. If you have questions, problems, comments, etc, send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Unusually Unique Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 12:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: detailed video of seizure -- for Michael How do I unsubscribe from this Merry-Go-Round? I'm sick of reading about you people slapping at each other. _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Power up! You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. Join in! Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: feeding birds and feral cats
When I was feeding ferals cats I had a problems with startlings as well. They eat massive amounts of food. I never solved my problem but I found this in the Bestfriends.org archives. I am including the whole question and answer because they have some great suggestions for solving the problem of all kinds of wildlife eating cat food. Hope it helps. Renee What about caring for feral cats when it affects wildlife? Question from Laura: Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) seems like the best answer to solving the problem of feral cat overpopulation; it is a way of humanely dealing with the feral crisis and it works where traditional methods fail. However, there are serious problems with the way caring for ferals affects indigenous wildlife. The feeding stations attract raccoons, squirrels and other animals, creating dependence on humans in these animals; in some places the colony population goes up instead of down because people dump cats where they see them being cared for, and the cats hunt already threatened birds and other native wildlife. I am a strong and active proponent of TNR, but I am troubled by these problems. What is the right thing to do? Response from Sally: Thanks for your question. These are issues I have gone over with myself quite a bit and are not easy to resolve. I agree and believe that TNR is the best long term and most humane way of solving the feral cat overpopulation problem. The attraction of wildlife to cat feeders is difficult problem. It is hard to exclude very many critters by limiting the size of the feeder's opening, as anything smaller than a cat can get through. One way I have found to exclude undesired diners is by trying to temporarily manipulate the food presence. In other words, if nocturnal critters are the unwanted diners, then try to avoid having any food present after twilight. The cats will learn to eat during the day, especially if you begin the regime with something very sexy to them, like canned food or tuna/canned meat. If you have diurnal and nocturnal wildlife arriving at your feeders, you have more complicated problem, depending on the species involved. I have situations where starlings are eating me out of house and home during the day. I found I could create a barrier that they were afraid to breach, like light cardboard strips hanging over the feeder opening. This would probably not work for mammals like squirrels though. A raised platform on 4 legs, one at each outside corner of the platform, will keep out dogs, but still allow raccoons, possums, mice and rats to climb up one of the posts and access the food/water. To prevent this, design a raised platform on just one, stable, central post. There will be a considerable overhang lip of platform on all sides, making it impossible for non-jumping climbers, such as the above-mentioned animals, to access. Cats are wonderful jumpers and will have no problem leaping onto the platform to feed. Of course, the central post will need to be imbedded in dirt or concrete so it won't wobble! Each situation requires a different selective barrier of one sort or another. Sometimes you can only exclude the largest problem with your solutions, and just accept that others will be freeloading. In all instances, I recommend being extremely discreet about feeding. That means keeping feeding paraphernalia hidden and out of view of the public. I would reload my feeders at a time when folks are not around. If the cats are truly feral, they will stay out of sight for the most part, especially during the day when people are about. If your feeding operation is visible, it will attract feline haters who will cause problems and also encourage people to dump cats. Although you hear a lot and very loud concerns about cats eating birds, in fact, cats rarely are successful bird hunters. They are much better rodent hunters. Most birds can avoid cats and those that don't are usually fledglings or old/compromised birds. In the big picture, it is loss of habitat that is the significant cause in bird population decline. Cats probably don't even register on the radar screen as a significant cause of bird mortality. Documentation for this is available through Alley Cat Allies (www.alleycat.org), along with more information about all aspects of your question. Laura, you are doing the right thing! It is impossible to please everyone and meet all needs. If only we lived in a perfect world... but then we would not have feral cats at all! We can only dream of that day and do the best we can to minimize suffering to domestic and wild animals. In a message dated 12/08/07 12:01:12 Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Message: 2 Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:11:11 -0600 From: laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: feeding birds and feral cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Brubaker, Angela \[DOC\] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain;
Re: feeding birds and feral cats
Thank-you SO much!!! Laurie - Original Message - From: Board Mailbox To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 1:32 PM Subject: Re: feeding birds and feral cats When I was feeding ferals cats I had a problems with startlings as well. They eat massive amounts of food. I never solved my problem but I found this in the Bestfriends.org archives. I am including the whole question and answer because they have some great suggestions for solving the problem of all kinds of wildlife eating cat food. Hope it helps. Renee What about caring for feral cats when it affects wildlife? Question from Laura: Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) seems like the best answer to solving the problem of feral cat overpopulation; it is a way of humanely dealing with the feral crisis and it works where traditional methods fail. However, there are serious problems with the way caring for ferals affects indigenous wildlife. The feeding stations attract raccoons, squirrels and other animals, creating dependence on humans in these animals; in some places the colony population goes up instead of down because people dump cats where they see them being cared for, and the cats hunt already threatened birds and other native wildlife. I am a strong and active proponent of TNR, but I am troubled by these problems. What is the right thing to do? Response from Sally: Thanks for your question. These are issues I have gone over with myself quite a bit and are not easy to resolve. I agree and believe that TNR is the best long term and most humane way of solving the feral cat overpopulation problem. The attraction of wildlife to cat feeders is difficult problem. It is hard to exclude very many critters by limiting the size of the feeder's opening, as anything smaller than a cat can get through. One way I have found to exclude undesired diners is by trying to temporarily manipulate the food presence. In other words, if nocturnal critters are the unwanted diners, then try to avoid having any food present after twilight. The cats will learn to eat during the day, especially if you begin the regime with something very sexy to them, like canned food or tuna/canned meat. If you have diurnal and nocturnal wildlife arriving at your feeders, you have more complicated problem, depending on the species involved. I have situations where starlings are eating me out of house and home during the day. I found I could create a barrier that they were afraid to breach, like light cardboard strips hanging over the feeder opening. This would probably not work for mammals like squirrels though. A raised platform on 4 legs, one at each outside corner of the platform, will keep out dogs, but still allow raccoons, possums, mice and rats to climb up one of the posts and access the food/water. To prevent this, design a raised platform on just one, stable, central post. There will be a considerable overhang lip of platform on all sides, making it impossible for non-jumping climbers, such as the above-mentioned animals, to access. Cats are wonderful jumpers and will have no problem leaping onto the platform to feed. Of course, the central post will need to be imbedded in dirt or concrete so it won't wobble! Each situation requires a different selective barrier of one sort or another. Sometimes you can only exclude the largest problem with your solutions, and just accept that others will be freeloading. In all instances, I recommend being extremely discreet about feeding. That means keeping feeding paraphernalia hidden and out of view of the public. I would reload my feeders at a time when folks are not around. If the cats are truly feral, they will stay out of sight for the most part, especially during the day when people are about. If your feeding operation is visible, it will attract feline haters who will cause problems and also encourage people to dump cats. Although you hear a lot and very loud concerns about cats eating birds, in fact, cats rarely are successful bird hunters. They are much better rodent hunters. Most birds can avoid cats and those that don't are usually fledglings or old/compromised birds. In the big picture, it is loss of habitat that is the significant cause in bird population decline. Cats probably don't even register on the radar screen as a significant cause of bird mortality. Documentation for this is available through Alley Cat Allies (www.alleycat.org), along with more information about all aspects of your question. Laura, you are doing the right thing! It is impossible to please everyone and meet all needs. If only we lived in a perfect world... but then we would not have feral cats at all! We can only dream of that day and do the best we can to minimize suffering to domestic and wild animals. In a message dated 12/08/07 12:01:12 Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Message: 2
Re: Julie has crossed over the Rainbow Bridge
Wendy, I am way behind on my emails. I am so sorry you had to let Julie go. What a loving thing to do for her. You have been a really good friend to me on this list. Hugs Sally On Dec 5, 2007 10:04 PM, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, It is with sadness I tell you that Julie's doctor and I helped Julie cross over the Rainbow Bridge yesterday afternoon. She was purring and happy when it happened and she passed peacefully. She was my beautiful 18.5 year old Maine Coon who lived a charmed life and was spoiled to no end. She was a very, very sweet kitty and was never aggressive to anyone or to any fellow animal ever. Her little body had just had it from the hyperT and CRF, and after this last week, I knew it was time. It was such a difficult decision to make though. Part of me felt like it was not my place to make that decision; after all I did not create her life. The other part knew that I could never let her suffer the way my Cricket did when he died from FeLV-related anemia. I knew it would be a matter of days for her and I wanted her to pass without suffering. I took off work to spend the day with her and she had a great day, even being as weak as she was. She enjoyed being outside in the sun; it was a beautiful day. I just want to thank everyone here for your help and encouragment with all my kitties and for being such great listeners. You all are wonderful people. Sincerely, Wendy -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: unsubscribing info for Unusually Unique
Sally ...I hope you get this job !!! You deserve it and so do your cats. Jane On Dec 7, 2007, at 6:58 PM, Sally Davis wrote: Ditto for me too. You cannot beat this group for help with this horrible disease. Today I interviewed more like observed at a nearby Vet hospital. Coincidentally my Daisy had been sick for two days and I felt like she needed to be seen. I could not do both and the interview had already been scheduled. So I called them to see if they could see her. Well then I leave and we had had a brief rain under freezing conditions and it too me 50 minutes to travel 12 miles. I was almost 30 minutes late. I think it went well. I could see myself doing this job. I am looking for a forever job. I am not getting younger g. This place is more expensive than my usual vet, so I knew Daisy's bill would be high. I was pleasantly surprised to see they discounted her visit. Now if they can pay me what I need I will be all set. That is if I am offered the job. Daisy is not FeLV +. She was probsably my most exposed cat during that horrible year. This group got me through those days. thanks Sally On Dec 7, 2007 5:11 PM, Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what they said:) Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message . manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Power up! You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the i'm Initiative now. Join in! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php? sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: unsubscribing info for Unusually Unique
Hi Jane Thanks.. me too. Although it is scary changing jobs. I do not like change. I have been at my old job for 10 years, and it has become a job. I used to love it but not anymore. We shall see what happens. I would love for them to see Junior again to see if we can get him off the Metacam. Even if they cannot remove the eye, maybe he can switch to something more benign. The other thing is I know one of the vets has a trick to get rid of the hemaetomas in cats ears so they do not come back. Only thing is it involves steroid injections. Not sure if that would be good either. He did get an injection last year, when he was still very ill. While it did give temporary relief it did not solve the ear problem. This clinic was the clinic that initially saw Junior for his anemia, a month later the did the FELV test and turned out positive. I could not afford for them to treat him so I went back to my old vet for treatment. It has worked out well. They did the series of immunoregulin shots for me. I think saved his life along with lots of antibiotics. I will keep y'all posted. Sally On Dec 8, 2007 5:14 PM, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally ...I hope you get this job !!! You deserve it and so do your cats. Jane On Dec 7, 2007, at 6:58 PM, Sally Davis wrote: Ditto for me too. You cannot beat this group for help with this horrible disease. Today I interviewed more like observed at a nearby Vet hospital. Coincidentally my Daisy had been sick for two days and I felt like she needed to be seen. I could not do both and the interview had already been scheduled. So I called them to see if they could see her. Well then I leave and we had had a brief rain under freezing conditions and it too me 50 minutes to travel 12 miles. I was almost 30 minutes late. -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
